1 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,480 Welcome to the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Joy Pullman. I'm the executive editor 2 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,719 over here at the Federalist. Joining me today is Katie Faust. She is 3 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:32,880 a Federalist writer, longtime president of the nonprofit Them Before Us, and author 4 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,600 of the new book We'll be talking about raising conservative kids in a woke city. 5 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,000 Katie, Welcome, so good to be with you. I'm a fan 6 00:00:41,079 --> 00:00:44,920 of the podcast, so I'm happy to be a guest. Katie, would 7 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,799 you start by laying out for our audience the core argument of your book. 8 00:00:49,439 --> 00:00:53,520 Yeah, basically that regardless of whether you're in a red state or a blue 9 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,200 state, regardless of whether you're homeschool, private school, or public school, 10 00:00:57,799 --> 00:01:00,960 your kids don't have to be victims of the culture. That's really what we're 11 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,239 trying to say is if you are very intentional about training your children, if 12 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:10,920 you are serious about replicating your values, if you prioritize in culcating your worldview 13 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,760 in your children with these specific strategies, your kids can actually be a force 14 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,680 for good. They don't have to be victimized. You know. I just 15 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,920 we my co author and I talk to people around Seattle, you know, 16 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:30,719 which is extremely hostile when I travel or do interviews elsewhere everybody has the same 17 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:34,040 question. Every single parent is asking the same thing, Like they see how 18 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:38,719 damaging and destructive these cultural narratives are, especially when it comes for the kids, 19 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,439 and they want to know how do we save our kids? And you 20 00:01:42,439 --> 00:01:47,519 know, Stacy and I have in essence come up with some principles where we're 21 00:01:47,519 --> 00:01:51,000 like, well, this worked for us, this work between our two families, 22 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,120 our seven children who are now between elementary school and college age, with 23 00:01:55,159 --> 00:01:59,519 a variety of different personalities, boys and girls. And here's these timeless parenting 24 00:01:59,519 --> 00:02:05,879 principle applied to our modern day moment that have allowed our kids to stand firm 25 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,240 when they need to sort out fact from fiction, be able to sniff out 26 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:13,919 the lie, push back against aggressive adults. And you know, we're midway 27 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,280 through this parenting game. It would be great if like all of our kids 28 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:21,879 were already adults with conservative you know, bona fides and raising their own families. 29 00:02:22,039 --> 00:02:23,560 So there's a possibility that one of our kids could turn out to be 30 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:27,759 a Bernie Brow and we're going to eat some you know, major crow. 31 00:02:28,199 --> 00:02:31,800 But at this point, you know, we've got kids that we are really 32 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:38,439 close to, like really close to our kids who are navigating their largely public 33 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:45,759 school experience with integrity and with their convictions firmly in the hand. So we 34 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:49,080 just kind of put it all together in a book because I think it's going 35 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,800 to I think it's strategies that every parent can apply, no matter what zip 36 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,719 code they live in. That sounds like a dream quite Frankly, parents have 37 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,599 a lot of anxiety now about our culture hostility to children. I was actually 38 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:06,560 just looking at poll data the other day that showed something like eighty percent of 39 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:12,879 parents were either concerned or very concerned about gender insanity affecting their kids in schools 40 00:03:13,159 --> 00:03:15,400 and in the culture. So what are the strategies that you have in the 41 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:20,520 book for dealing with this as a family. Give people a taste of your 42 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,879 recommendations. Yeah. Well, first of all, we talk about, you 43 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,400 know, the book is called Raising Conservative Kids in a Woke City, and 44 00:03:28,439 --> 00:03:31,199 we have people say, don't call it raising conservative kids, call it raising 45 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:37,039 Christian kids, or raising same kids, or raising healthy kids. But the 46 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,719 truth is that it's not a book necessarily about you know, just anti woke 47 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:45,639 kids. But it's not just about what your kids are against. Like we 48 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:46,960 look at the gender ideology in the school, and we go, we don't 49 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,800 want that, we don't want that, Like everybody agrees, we don't want 50 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,599 that. Yeah, that's bombers. But you cannot just train your kids to 51 00:03:53,599 --> 00:04:00,400 be anti gender ideology. You train them to before the best ideas by logical 52 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,120 ideas, economic ideas, historical ideas, ideas that are grounded in human nature. 53 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,919 We are teaching them to be for the best ideas. Those are not 54 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:11,199 new ideas. None of those ideas are new. The ideas that we are 55 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,360 teaching them to be four are the ones that we've already discovered to be leading 56 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:20,079 to prosperity and health and wholeness and flourishing and prosperity. And it's ideas that 57 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,959 need to be conserved. Right, So we're teaching our kids to be conservative 58 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:30,879 kids because we're teaching them to conserve the best ideas from biology, history, 59 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:34,800 and economics. So step one is not we're not reactionary here. We're not 60 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:40,439 training our kids to be anti left, anti woke, anti democrat. We're 61 00:04:40,439 --> 00:04:44,079 training our kids to be for the very best ideas. And so we outline 62 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,399 what those ideas are specifically in chapter one. What are the specific ideas that 63 00:04:47,439 --> 00:04:50,160 are most under attack right now that you need to teach your kids to be 64 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:56,199 four. Those are things like life, the idea of male and female being 65 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,839 different, and because male and female are different and equal and distinct, therefore 66 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,959 marriage, marriage as the institution that unites the two people to whom children have 67 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:10,959 natural right. They need to be for and understand the distinct parent child relationship. 68 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,959 Right that's under attack. Children have a right to their parents. Parents 69 00:05:14,959 --> 00:05:18,079 have a right to their own children. Race, understanding a proper idea about 70 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:23,879 race, Understanding and preserving our founding principles, Understanding the goodness and the morality 71 00:05:23,879 --> 00:05:28,920 of the free market system. Right understanding freedom of conscience and freedom of religion, 72 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:30,480 and why it is that those ideas are so good and need to be 73 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,680 conserved. So we begin chapter one talking about like, these are the ideas 74 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:40,959 that are most under assault that in this particular cultural moment you need to be 75 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:45,879 especially aware of and attuned to, and start really from the moment your kids 76 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,839 can speak, teaching them to be for these principles, and then throughout the 77 00:05:49,879 --> 00:05:56,839 book we sort of talk about age appropriate strategies to introduce these concepts to your 78 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,279 kids, and the antidote or the Nemesis, I should say to those conservative 79 00:06:01,319 --> 00:06:09,480 principles and kind of how do you balance that, you know, like sheltering 80 00:06:09,519 --> 00:06:13,519 your kids versus exposing them. Right, So really it's just take these principles 81 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,040 and then we're going to talk to you about what to do in middle school, 82 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,240 what to do in high school, how to emphasize these things in elementary 83 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:23,879 school, and just a lot of practical ways to slowly hand your world view 84 00:06:23,879 --> 00:06:27,720 off to your children. I'm listening to this as a parent, thinking do 85 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:30,240 you have lesson plans? I mean, you do have links and resources in 86 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,399 your book, but how exactly do I go from? You know, thinking 87 00:06:34,439 --> 00:06:38,240 as a mom, I like family in the free market. I think they're 88 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,560 great. How do you explain that to a six year old, a ten 89 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:46,480 year old, sixteen year old? Interesting because we do have a chapter two 90 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,959 in the book where like, yeah, there is a plan, there's a 91 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:55,040 training program. It's called parent. You actually are the program. You actually 92 00:06:55,079 --> 00:07:00,519 are exactly what your child needs at every stage, because first of all, 93 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,560 you're the one that knows them the best. Right, you can tailor make 94 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:08,279 your educational program for your kids. You're going to know how to introduce these 95 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:11,439 concepts in ways that don't violate their innocence. You're going to know how to 96 00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:15,360 introduce the distortions that the world is bringing to them and at what time. 97 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,680 And so we do recommend, like, hey, on these kinds of topics, 98 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,839 study these people on these kind of this issue, you know, the 99 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:27,519 parental rights, children's rights. Here are these resources we do talk about how 100 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,959 like we've sent our kids to a Worldview camp every summer, but that's one 101 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,920 week out of the year, Like you Worldview camp them the rest of the 102 00:07:33,959 --> 00:07:36,519 time. There are books that will help you. There's camps that will help 103 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,560 you. There's programs and podcasts that we have been so blessed by, but 104 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,560 none of them replace parent like you literally are. Like, the bad news 105 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,959 is you cannot outsource this. The good news is you could never outclose this 106 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,480 to anyone that would do better than you. Okay, I'm a mom, 107 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:56,839 you know, I have six kids. I consider myself very involved in their 108 00:07:56,879 --> 00:08:00,920 lives. But reading your book, it really was impressing. Up. It 109 00:08:00,959 --> 00:08:05,480 seemed to me almost like that your ideas amounted to essentially homeschooling your kids on 110 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:07,959 the nights and weekends on top of their day schooling. If they're in a 111 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,839 public school. You know, you're arguing for reteaching them history and literature and 112 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,040 science, and the way things are going, reteaching them math too, and 113 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:22,120 then even teaching the harder subjects that you know are much harder than those basic 114 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:26,600 ones, like theology, anthropology, sociology. I mean, at that point, 115 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:30,879 it's kind of like, are you advocating for essentially reteaching your kids everything 116 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,759 at home while also sending them to a school that doesn't align with our family 117 00:08:33,879 --> 00:08:39,639 values. Well, you've got eighteen years for this, and the good news 118 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:41,480 is that we've sort of broken this out in developmental stages, so you don't 119 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:43,519 have to do all at once. You don't have to do every topic all 120 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,360 at once, but once you know, once you're aware, Okay, here 121 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,840 are the principles that I need to be instilling in them at this age, 122 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,240 right, and here's the specific topics that I need to make sure that I 123 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,600 highlight for them. Right. You start instilling that in them, and then 124 00:08:56,639 --> 00:09:00,480 you're going to find times, like we talk in the book about how like 125 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:05,879 reality is conservative if you look at the realistic world, the actual biological reality 126 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:09,679 of the world, about how humans exchange and trade and do commerce, and 127 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,480 especially grounded in the Christian worldview of like individual with human dignity. If you 128 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:18,559 look at first source materials for history, I mean the world is conservative in 129 00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:22,720 terms of reflecting the conservative realities. Right. So you, once you are 130 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:26,679 instilling these different principles in your kids, the world is your classroom, both 131 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,039 in terms of saturating your children in the good, the true, and the 132 00:09:30,039 --> 00:09:35,159 beautiful, but also in terms of highlighting the damaging and the destructive impact when 133 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:41,000 you take the world up on their offer for a lot of these woke ideologies 134 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,080 and what the world is telling them they should do with their bodies or with 135 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,639 their feelings, or with their money, or with the with the policy around 136 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:52,120 us or the you know, what are the outcomes to thinking about people primarily 137 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,440 as primarily defined as their race and or as oppressed or and oppressed. Right, 138 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,879 So the world is actually going to do a lot of the heavy lifting 139 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,039 or you once you have been able to really instill in your kids what it 140 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,799 is they need to be conserving. So it does sound overwhelming at first, 141 00:10:07,799 --> 00:10:13,679 but this is really an entire philosophy that you're going to apply at different ages, 142 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,879 with different stages and a little bit different with each kid. Can you 143 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:20,679 give me a real life example of how this has worked in your own home. 144 00:10:22,799 --> 00:10:26,559 Yeah good. So you know we really follow sort of ideologically, this 145 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:33,600 template somewhat follows the trivium approach that a lot of classical educators are going to 146 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,679 be familiar with, right, and it's really the natural learning stages that that 147 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:41,039 children follow. So the first stage is the grammar phase, right, where 148 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,759 kids are like sponges. It's not a critical thinking phase up until age like 149 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:48,240 ten or eleven. They can't really sort out fact from fiction. And so 150 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,120 in that stage, the most critical time that you're going to be using your 151 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:54,879 time is to saturate them in truth and beauty, true and beautiful, true 152 00:10:54,879 --> 00:10:58,000 and beautiful. That is where the emphasis is. So you take all of 153 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:03,320 the conservative prince we outline in chapter one life, parent, child, male, 154 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:09,000 female, marriage, religion, race history. That is your time to 155 00:11:09,039 --> 00:11:11,320 hit the true and the beautiful. Right. This is the phase where you 156 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,200 know everyone's like, oh, they're little sponges. You know they've memorized twelve 157 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,759 Alana verses. That's because they're actually wired to just take in the true and 158 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,200 the beautiful. Leverage it, baby, like, get in on that developmental 159 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:28,919 stage and just stuff them full of truth and beauty. And that's where I 160 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:30,559 mean, like, how do we do that? What does that look like 161 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,519 in our own lives? While we did take them to Ajuana, we did 162 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,759 put them in Sunday school class. But the other big life hack is they 163 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:41,279 listen to what we listen to. So, for example, all throughout their 164 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,440 kids, my kids elementary school years, I would listen to Ben Shapiro while 165 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,759 I cooked dinner on a speaker that everybody could hear. So they're coming in 166 00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:52,080 and out, they get an hour of Ben Shapiro a day while I'm cooking 167 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,720 dinner, and now positive we're talking. But if they leave, or if 168 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,840 they're you know, doing something else or doing legos or whatever, they're listening 169 00:11:56,879 --> 00:12:01,200 to Ben Shapiro. They're listening to his cultural analysis this right, they're listening 170 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:05,440 to the Breakpoint podcast, which to me is the best Christian worldview podcast out 171 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,840 there that teaches them to look at things from a Christian perspective. And so 172 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:15,440 lots and lots of truth and beauty for your kids in elementary school. Then 173 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,279 when they get to middle school, that is when we introduce the distortions to 174 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,759 the true and the beautiful. That is when I think, you know, 175 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,159 in our book, we just say this is when you now the main goal 176 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,240 has moved away from teaching them the basics, the true, and the beautiful, 177 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:33,559 now that you're going to show them the distortions that the world is going 178 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,399 to tell them about life, about man and woman, about marriage, about 179 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,759 the founding of our history, about our country, about economics. Right, 180 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:45,080 and it's not that they haven't heard these things before, because they have. 181 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,559 That is when you actually give them sort of a matrix download of I am 182 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,440 now going to give you a full education of what abortion is. We're going 183 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,159 to talk about abortions. We're going to talk about surgical abortions. We're going 184 00:12:56,159 --> 00:12:58,679 to talk about the arguments of why people say that they need abortion. And 185 00:12:58,759 --> 00:13:01,240 when they're ten years old, though, I mean, I thought you said 186 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,440 late elementary, so I was trying to think what is the youngest that might 187 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:09,440 mean once they get to middle school. I will tell you, though, 188 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,360 that there are some elementary school kids who are ready for this. And I'll 189 00:13:13,399 --> 00:13:16,000 tell you how you know, because you'll see your kids, like we've watched 190 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:22,480 all four of our kids go from regurgitating what we tell them and in essence 191 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,080 just mimicking what we say, whether it's Jesus is the only way to Heaven 192 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:31,919 to you know, all babies deserve, they have life or whatever it is 193 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,159 that we've saturated them in truth and beauty. So then suddenly they go, 194 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:39,879 but what if we're bron But what if somebody needs abortion? Right? Then 195 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:43,120 they start to question what you've told them. And at this point a lot 196 00:13:43,159 --> 00:13:45,679 of parents kind of freak out and they're like, oh, they're rejecting their 197 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,519 faith. But actually, what you've just observed is that your kids have moved 198 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,759 from the grammar phase to the logic phase. Right. They've moved from the 199 00:13:52,759 --> 00:13:56,240 phase where they're going to sponge up unquestioning whatever an adult that they really like 200 00:13:56,399 --> 00:14:00,639 is telling them. They've moved into the developmental phase where they are now ready 201 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,360 to critically think through what you have told them. And so that is not 202 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,519 a moment of panic. That should be a moment of joy for parents, 203 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,799 where they go, Aha, it's time to get into it. And so 204 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:16,039 for our first child, we actually did. Before she went to public middle 205 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,320 school for the first time, I spent the entire summer just making her an 206 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,399 expert on homosexuality, doing what I could to make an expert on specialism. 207 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,559 No I'm serious, right, we talked about the change. She was a 208 00:14:28,679 --> 00:14:33,120 very young sixth grader, so she was not quite she had just turned twelve 209 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:37,600 when she was going in. But she's also a first child and the girl 210 00:14:37,799 --> 00:14:41,840 you know, so you can handle it. It's very cerebral, and so 211 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:45,039 that was my goal. I was like, you're going to know more about 212 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:48,240 this than at least all of your friends, and you'll know enough so if 213 00:14:48,279 --> 00:14:50,639 your teacher lies to you, you can be like, I think she's be 214 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:54,720 asking me, I'm going to go home and ask my mom. So with 215 00:14:54,799 --> 00:14:58,279 our first child, it was very intentional kind of boot camp. Like the 216 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,919 rest of the kids sort of got it as a trickle down effect, right, 217 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,559 because they heard me talking to these things with their siblings. My youngest 218 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:09,360 child, I never had a conversation with him about transgenderism, but when his 219 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:16,840 teacher told him in third grade boys can wear dresses, he thought, my 220 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:20,360 mom knows something about this. 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As a parent, I do have some concerns about that. 254 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,359 You can't always control what your kids are exposed to, of course, but 255 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,039 you can control I think a lot of what your kids isosed are exposed to, 256 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,680 especially when they're younger. And the line, you know is for different 257 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,359 families and different kids. But I do think it's better if a child doesn't 258 00:18:03,759 --> 00:18:07,640 have to be exposed to, say, you know, a transgender sexuality when 259 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,279 he's eight, let alone seven or six. Now you're kind of in a 260 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:15,960 cultural war zone there in the Seattle. But if kids can be protected from 261 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,319 that kind of hostility until they're older, I think that's better for them. 262 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,279 And so you talked about getting to your kids before the culture gets to them, 263 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,880 you know, but if they're being got to by the culture, you 264 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,759 know, because they're going to a public school, they're having all the super 265 00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:33,440 early exposure to really harsh things, it sounds to me like, you know, 266 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:37,759 parents would be aggressively mentally deflowering their own kid's innocence. Is that really 267 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:41,920 what you're going for? So, you know, what we talk about, 268 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:47,960 how your main job is you do want to filter out distortions in your kids 269 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:51,720 world as much as possible. You filter out the distortions. Now, when 270 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,400 we say saturate them in true and beauty, the truth and the beautiful, 271 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:02,119 you're talking with them about truthful things that they see in their world that might 272 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:03,880 come to them or that they might bump into. So I'm not saying that 273 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:08,000 we don't talk to them about the Holocaust or slavery. Actually that's part of 274 00:19:08,039 --> 00:19:11,720 the true things that we expose them to. But we're going to filter out 275 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:15,240 the distortions. So as much as possible, we're not going to have them 276 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:21,160 in an environment where they are being evangelized about transgenderism or socialism or abortion or 277 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,559 whatever. And so we talk about how as much as possible you need to 278 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:29,960 filter out those distortions in their life. So, if you do have a 279 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,720 teacher who's very aggressive about promoting these kinds of things, as much as possible, 280 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,759 filter them out. As for a transfer, if you've got a find 281 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:41,880 another teacher, if you've got an extended family member right who is trying to 282 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,359 evangelize your kids in a progressive worldview, you have that conversation and you say, 283 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,839 you know what not comfortable with you talking to my kids about defunding the 284 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:52,119 police, or Black Lives Matter, or you know, your support for Bernie 285 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,119 Sanders or whatever it is. Please have those conversations with me and not my 286 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,440 child. And generally people respect that, and if they don't, you filter 287 00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:03,920 that person out, right. So it is your job and as much as 288 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:11,039 possible to filter out the people the distortions, especially people that are seeking to 289 00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:15,079 evangelize your children into those distortions. But I will tell you this, it 290 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,079 is critical that you get to your kids first. Now, when I say, 291 00:20:19,599 --> 00:20:22,640 you know, get to your kids first, I'm not saying let me 292 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:27,079 explain to you what's happening in this pornographic video. What I am saying is, 293 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,039 hey, honey, there's a lot of screens in your role, and 294 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:33,920 you're saying to this year seven year old, there's a lot of screens in 295 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,279 your world. Sometimes on those screens there's pictures of naked people and it's really 296 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,319 yucky, and that's called porn. If you'll ever see that, you can 297 00:20:42,319 --> 00:20:47,039 come and let mommy know. That's what we're saying, right that you need 298 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:49,319 to be the first person to talk to your kids about these things. Not 299 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,559 in a way that violates their innocence, but in a way so that they 300 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,960 know, my mom knows about this. And here's why. Because the first 301 00:20:57,039 --> 00:21:02,920 person to talk to a child about subject, especially an uncomfortable or challenging subject, 302 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:07,319 they automatically will consider the expert. So if you are not talking with 303 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,039 your seven year old or eight year old about porn, and the first time 304 00:21:10,079 --> 00:21:12,720 they see it is when they're at the playground or somebody's house and a kid 305 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:18,559 sticks a cell phone in their face of porn and they've never heard their mom 306 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,079 or dad mention it or give them a heads up that that could exist. 307 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,599 Three weeks later, when they're like, what was that? Where did that 308 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,880 come from? Who do they go ask? Right, research says they're going 309 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,680 to go back to the source that first introduced it to them. They'll go 310 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,039 back to the kid that had the cell phone. They'll say, where did 311 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:40,359 you get that? What's that? What is that? And so that is 312 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,920 why we have to be the first one to tell our kids the truth that 313 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,519 these kinds of things exist. Do we major on it, No. Do 314 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:55,759 we tell them graphic details. No? Do we say some people think that 315 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,519 men can marry other men, and that's not true because our body don't fit 316 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:04,200 together like that a man's body and a woman's body fits together. So that's 317 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,200 just something that you might hear out there, but you know that's not true, 318 00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:11,799 because our bodies tell us what's true about ourselves. That's what we're talking 319 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:15,000 about in terms of getting to your kids first. We're not talking about like 320 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:18,759 we are going to go you know, we don't need to go into the 321 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:22,519 sixteen nineteen project and all the different lives they told about American history. You're 322 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:26,000 just going to say, you know, some people don't think that this country 323 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,000 was founded on principles of liberty and equality, and those people are wrong, 324 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:34,200 right. Some people think that we are founded on you know, keeping people 325 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,440 oppressed, and that's not true. If you ever have questions about history, 326 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,519 your mom and dad know a lot about this, you can talk to us. 327 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,519 So that's what we're saying. That makes it a lot simpler. It's 328 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:48,720 not like then I'm giving them a lecture with bullet points to your point about 329 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:52,960 porn on the phone. You know, we've told our kids just never look 330 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,680 at other people's cell phones. There can be yucky things on there. I'm 331 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,759 not telling them what kind of porn they can find on there right, but 332 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,240 talent informing them that's a danger zone for them. The left understands that. 333 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,640 We call that the founder's principle, Like, whoever tells the kids first, 334 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,920 they automatically considered the expert. The left understands this, like why do you 335 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,960 think there was such a huge freak out over the parental rights bill that don't 336 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,720 say gay bill? Why were they freaking out about that? Because they understand 337 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:25,880 that if they get kids first with graphic information, with sexual indoctrination, the 338 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,839 kid will then think, Okay, this is a subject that my school knows 339 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,079 about. This is something my teacher knows about. And so the other side 340 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:37,119 understands how important the founder's principle is getting to kids first, and that is 341 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,519 why they absolutely lose it when we talk about restricting their access to talk with 342 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,400 kids about these topics so they know the reality of it. You need to 343 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,119 know the reality of it, and you need to use it for your advantage 344 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,000 and your kid's advantage by in as much as possible giving them a heads up 345 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:55,599 as to what the world is going to throw at them. And then they 346 00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:57,880 will have you as a refuge. They will immediately turn to you, or 347 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:03,000 they should turn to you when they do hear about abortion, or when they 348 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:07,119 do hear about you know, critical theory or whatever that you know, the 349 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,960 black lives matter. So where do peers enter your understanding of how child development 350 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,240 works. I don't know if you've heard of the research encapsulated in Judith Rich's 351 00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:22,960 book called The Nurture Assumption. Her groundbreaking synthesis of research points out, for 352 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:27,000 example, that immigrant kids almost always adopt the culture of their peers over that 353 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,880 of their families. Once they grow up. The kids basically have a home 354 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:36,759 persona and a school persona, and they eventually adopt the persona that they try 355 00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:40,480 out at school away from their parents, such a persona that's strongly affected by 356 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:47,119 peer approval as opposed to being strongly affected by a parent approval or teacher indoctrination. 357 00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:51,680 So especially, she shows once the kids move past middle school, peers 358 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,880 are way more influential on kids than adults like teachers and parents. So I'm 359 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,720 wondering how your approach reflects this effect that shows that maybe parents best chance of 360 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:04,519 influencing their kids isn't in lecturing them, but actually in choosing their peer group. 361 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,920 Really good, So you know, are moving on through the Trivium right. 362 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:14,119 The grammar stage is the truth and beauty stage, where you are just 363 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,000 stuffing them full of what is true and beautiful. The logic stage is largely 364 00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:22,839 middle school, where you're introducing them to the woke worldview, all the distortions 365 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,839 to the conservative principles that you've laid out in the elementary school years. What 366 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:30,279 are you doing in high school? You're staying connected. Like a lot of 367 00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:32,680 people think, okay, high school is the time when I'm really going to 368 00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:34,400 drill down. High schools the time where we're going to really prepare for this. 369 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,640 High school as the time when things are going to get really intense. 370 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,359 But actually, no, high school is the time when, according to the 371 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:47,240 trivium, that's the rhetoric phase. That's where they're speaking and articulating and learning 372 00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:51,839 to work out in real life what they believe. And so, in our 373 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,400 estimation, your job there is not teaching, like you're not telling them, 374 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,079 honey, this is right and wrong and oh this is what the world's gonna 375 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,480 throw at you at that point, all of that should be in a race. 376 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,960 Your job is to stay connected, like you function now as a consultant, 377 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,279 so they come back to you if they have questions, and so I 378 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:15,640 think that those peer relationships become so dominant because a lot of times parents think, 379 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:19,400 I can back off now. And that is true when it comes to 380 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,519 making their sandwiches, or doing their laundry, or teaching them right now off, 381 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,119 but it absolutely is not true in terms of connection. That actually is 382 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,200 the time in a high school where you have to be hyper aware of staying 383 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,440 connected to your kids, because they already know what they believe, and there 384 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,480 are a lot of pressures from their teachers, from their friend group, on 385 00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,000 social media, whatever they're seeing. And we talk a lot in the book 386 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,880 about how this worldview transmission is totally moot if you're not connected to your kids, 387 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,759 if you don't have a relationship with your kids, and so we give 388 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:56,960 some strategies about how we've personally done that in high school. But it's interesting 389 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,000 that you talk about that sort of split persona because we wrapped up the book 390 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:07,079 by asking our seven children to give their final word, like what advice would 391 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,400 you give to parents who are raising kids in a hostile culture? And we 392 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:17,720 didn't let any of our kids read the book before they wrote. I think 393 00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:19,839 I only just copy you, I know, but I think my thirteen year 394 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,640 old is the only one that's read the book so far. My teens or 395 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,359 whatever. Mom, we heard it all. But my oldest daughter who is 396 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,160 now going to be a junior in college, who is a junior in college 397 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,359 right now. She said, you have to be very careful because kids, 398 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,839 you have to make sure that they're not living a double life because the cultural 399 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:44,279 poll is so strong and it's very very easy. And now having a phone 400 00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:48,160 kind of enhances that double life effect because you can carry your double life into 401 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,480 your home, you know well. And she said, you've got to be 402 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:57,279 so connected to your kids because, especially in a place where there's this level 403 00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:02,559 of cultural pressure to form, it is so easy to act one way at 404 00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:04,720 school and one way at home. And she's the one that said, my 405 00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:10,039 dad was really good about this. He would find ways to connect with us 406 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,640 through drawing and Ryan, my husband, once they got to once they get 407 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,000 to high school, he just schedules a breakfast with them every week they have 408 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:22,119 a Saul Day, but they always go out with him and it's no agenda. 409 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,880 He's very teaching this is right, this is wrong, and he just 410 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:32,119 he really learned, no agenda. We'll bring our bibles we'll read some but 411 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,480 I won't talk. He'll just sit and let it be silent, and then 412 00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:41,400 the kids will start talking, and it's just this time for them to kind 413 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,960 of purge and say whatever. And he has practiced now what we call the 414 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,720 no flinch rule, Like we've got a whole chapter in the book called no 415 00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:51,799 Flinch, Like, your kids say things to you that you go, what 416 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,440 the hell? I don't think getting me? Like, that's the response that 417 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,279 we have because it's natural, because the world is because they're experiencing things and 418 00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:03,920 seeing things, asking questions and observing things that you're like, there's a sixth 419 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,319 culture, why are they doing this to my kids? But he has kind 420 00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:08,359 of cultivated the no flinch face, which is harder for him than me, 421 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:15,880 by the way, where they us. So it's so critical because you cannot 422 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,119 do this. You cannot inculcate your values in your kids if there are barriers 423 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,079 in communication between you and your kids. And one of the biggest barriers if 424 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,720 them going, oh my gosh, if I have to wade through my dad's 425 00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:30,000 absolutely eruption in this like why you and bother, I'll just google it, 426 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,720 right. So one of the best ways to make sure your kids want to 427 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:38,119 come to you. Is not freaking out, even if they say something to 428 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,960 you that freaks you out that you think is that illegal. I mean, 429 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,440 like, whatever it is that they say to you, no flinch. That's 430 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,160 not to say there's no emotion and there's no consequences. That is to say 431 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:55,200 that there cannot be an eruption because you just take it and stride. Yeah, 432 00:29:55,279 --> 00:30:00,839 you have to condition your children to associating talking with you, confessing to 433 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,880 you, disclosing too with relief. They have to think, man, this 434 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,160 is awful, but I always feel better after I talk to dad. That 435 00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:11,759 is what you want, and I think that's probably the answer to the double 436 00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:19,599 life. Hey y'all, this is Sarah from the Sarah Carter Show. Thanks 437 00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:25,680 for listening to the Federalist Radio Hour. Healthy blood pressure is so important. 438 00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:30,680 In fact, more than half of the US population would benefit from blood pressure 439 00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:34,640 support. Super Beats heart shoes are an easy and convenient way to support healthy 440 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:41,720 blood pressure and promote heart healthy energy paired with a healthy lifestyle. 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Especially, you know, I would practically never let kids 456 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,000 just free into the wilds of the internet. There's too many predators out there. 457 00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:05,640 That sort of thing. Judith Rich also argued that if you have low 458 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,480 status in your peer group, that can really wreckuse psychologically. It's just too 459 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:13,559 much pressure. Most people can't handle it. They can't keep their beliefs in 460 00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:17,319 a really strong peer pressure situation. So in our culture, being a Christian 461 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:22,000 or a Conservative, that automatically makes you a low status person, and that 462 00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:24,119 can pressure kids more than they can stand. You know, as we saw 463 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,839 with lockdowns, that's more than most adults can stand that kind of peer pressure. 464 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,599 So what are your strategies for helping insulct kids against that super strong peer 465 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,599 pressure to adopt a double life to get by at home in school, which 466 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,880 often leads to the kids abandoning their families beliefs once they're out on their own. 467 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,440 Yeah, the entire last chapter of the book is called Find Your People, 468 00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:50,240 and it really is like, you know, three parts, three parts 469 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,839 to that chapter. Conservative adults need other conservative adults, Conservative kids need other 470 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,720 conservative adults, and conservative kids need other conservative kids. It is true that 471 00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:05,400 in the isolation you will get plucked off so quickly and largely when our kids 472 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,920 are at public school. Because right now, all three of my oldest have 473 00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:15,440 all done public school for high school. They very rarely have Christian friends at 474 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,440 their school, especially in their grade, but they always have people at church. 475 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,599 They always have a friend group at church. There's always a group of 476 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:29,000 kids that they know they can ask honest questions to, they can mock the 477 00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:35,279 culture appropriately with those people. They are the other kids that are also not 478 00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:38,319 wearing masks, or the ones that are not posting the black squares, or 479 00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:44,200 the ones that have refused to do you know, so the walk out supposedly 480 00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:46,519 against you know, school violence, which really is just an attack on the 481 00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:51,759 Second Amendment. I mean, they always have other kids in their life that 482 00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:54,720 they love and who loves them who are not playing along. So they have 483 00:33:54,920 --> 00:34:00,759 a peer group that they can fall back on in their life even if there's 484 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:02,480 not a lot of them in their public school. Now, my kids have 485 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,920 friends at public school, like they've all made friends, but they have not 486 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,719 necessarily been friends that have agreed with them about the definition of the good. 487 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,199 And so it is very very important that your kids do have a friend group 488 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:21,440 know them completely and with whom they're totally known, and they can know them 489 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:28,440 both ways. Because you're right, the left has so perfectly as our friends 490 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:34,480 Della Morabido says, weaponized loneliness and ostracized you to a level where you'll get 491 00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:37,400 social conformity just because you don't want to get canceled. So you do have 492 00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:42,480 to create that social group so that if you're canceled at school, which I 493 00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:45,119 think at some point, all three of my kids that have been in high 494 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:51,000 school, they have been ostracized by a teacher, shut down, kicked out 495 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:55,079 of a friend group, or demonized online or whatever it is, at some 496 00:34:55,159 --> 00:35:00,320 point one or two times for standing up for something they believe in. They 497 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,280 always have their friends at church that are like, yeah, you nailed it. 498 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,639 They ran from you, they canceled you because they couldn't handle it, 499 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:08,199 because they didn't have the stones or whatever it is. Like, you do 500 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:13,760 need that peer group. So having grown up among evangelical Christians, you know, 501 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,400 I've been to myself to some of those Worldview camps that you recommend, 502 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,000 and they're really great. But you know, parents have been doing that sort 503 00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:24,199 of thing, this kind of Sunday school Bible camps, Worldview training, buying 504 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:29,039 their kids the books, listening to Prager, you conservative clubs at school, 505 00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:32,199 you know, all of that, but their success rate at transmitting their values 506 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,679 to their kids. It has really not been very good, even despite all 507 00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:42,320 that effort to essentially do what you're arguing for the information saturation with their kids. 508 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,360 So what about your method is better than you know what these many parents 509 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,280 that I know, that we know from statistics generationally, you know, they've 510 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,719 been doing and it hasn't been effective. The slide continues, So, what 511 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:57,599 about your method is better than what already people have been trying that has not 512 00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:01,360 been effective? Well, yeah, because we're not raising robots, you know, 513 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,239 we're raising people, and every single one of them is different. And 514 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,039 yeah, there's no guarantees. Right, I'm not saying you can, but 515 00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:13,639 it does seem like the very low success rate for just the information approach ought 516 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,719 to be better. You know, I don't know if you've seen the Neemiah 517 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,880 Institute, which has surveyed tens of thousands of kids. They found that even 518 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,000 you know, Christian kids going to public schools, almost all of them eighteen 519 00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:29,800 ninety percent have secular humanist assumptions. You know, they don't believe in objective 520 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,679 truth. They believe in doing whatever feels good because they've been exposed to that 521 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,079 propaganda for so long it's just the air that they swim in. Yeah. 522 00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:42,760 Well, I remember I wasn't a Christian. I didn't grow up as a 523 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,840 Christian. Neither did my husband. We both were conferts late in high school. 524 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,320 And it's so interesting because I think back on my Christian friends back then, 525 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,400 and they would look at the church and they would look at their parents 526 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,719 and they'd be like, oh my gosh, they're backwards, they're anti science. 527 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,679 There's you know, I can't go to them with questions. It's the 528 00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:01,840 school, it's the world. Those are the people that are smart, they're 529 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,440 educated, they're open. There. You know, that's where you're going to 530 00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:07,880 find, you know, life as it's meant to be lived. And I 531 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,760 will tell you I don't know what it's like in other parts of the country, 532 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,760 but here, And I can say this with my kids. Stacy would 533 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,039 say this with her kids. But also I run the youth ministry at our 534 00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:21,679 church right now. So I'm teaching the Sunday school classes and I'm leading, 535 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,159 I'm running the youth group. There's a lot of people that are helping. 536 00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:30,159 But the world is nuts. And these kids look at I mean like really 537 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,159 like they see what I'm laughing because I agree with you. Yeah, And 538 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,159 so there's no illusion for them about what those premises are going to lead to. 539 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,800 They see how insane it is. They see how it's destroying their friends. 540 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,159 They sit with their friends in the nurses office because that kid got a 541 00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:53,400 bad hit of marijuana and now they're having a psychotic episode. They see there 542 00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:59,280 he's not dead. No, no, I'm not kidding. It's yep, 543 00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:02,079 it's dire. And they see how dire it is. They know that their 544 00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:07,199 friends who are identifying as pan this this week and buy this over here and 545 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:13,360 DEMI this, and how they have tried every sexual thing and they're on antidepressants. 546 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,920 Like, there's really no illusions about how what the fallout of these woke 547 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,320 ideas are in the lives of their friends. And then they come to church, 548 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,800 and this is the place where they can ask questions, and this is 549 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:30,079 the place they're getting answers that are actually that are coherent and that align with 550 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:34,440 the natural world that they're living in. This is the safe place, that's 551 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,199 the place where they can't get canceled. These are the people that genuinely know 552 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,280 them and love them and are not trying to coerce them into a certain person. 553 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,199 This is a place where they can ask honest questions, not their school. 554 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,400 They cannot be honest at school. They can't they you know, my 555 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,840 son, you know, well all of them at some point, but like 556 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,679 most recently, you know, he'll try to ask a question and it is 557 00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:55,199 shut down. It is not a place for open debate. It is not 558 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,960 a place for an exchange of ideas. The church and the home has become 559 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,960 that. So in that sense, we do have a bit of a hack 560 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,719 in Seattle because the devastation is obvious. And I will say that like in 561 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,599 terms of this, I don't know if there's a secret sauce, but my 562 00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:17,159 husband and I got to observe a lot of parenting philosophies up close and personal 563 00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:21,480 when we were doing youth ministry before we had kids, and while our kids 564 00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:23,599 were young and now kind of into the rest of you know, our high 565 00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:28,159 school years. And we really do see two extremes in terms of the Christian 566 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:31,400 world. One extreme is uber sheltering, like you're never going to watch that 567 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,920 movie, You're never going to listen to that music. I won't expose you 568 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,000 know, it's only a sixth day creation. There's you know, there's just 569 00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:44,079 nothing of you can't know about evolution law. And so those kids are like, 570 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,679 they're fine and their behavior has conformed. But then they completely fall apart 571 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,159 when they go to college and they are confronted two years old earth, you 572 00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:55,719 know what I mean. But then you also have the parents. And we 573 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,440 saw this in the Christian world, or at least people bringing their kids to 574 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,079 youth group, that we're less a fair hands off what we would call today 575 00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:07,239 like self directing, like child directed. The kid decides everything, no limits, 576 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,320 they know how much sugar they can have, they can determine their they 577 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:15,880 can determine their gender right, and there's no constraints. And those kids never 578 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,239 learned to manage themselves, you know, they totally fall apart. And so 579 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,039 we decided we're gonna shelter. We're gonna sorry, We're gonna shepherd our kids 580 00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:28,559 through everything the world throws at them while they are under our roof. There 581 00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:31,000 should be nothing once they leave the home, go to college, go move 582 00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:35,519 out where they go. I've never heard this before. I've never considered this, 583 00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:38,519 Well, this undoes my entire worldview. And so we actually, like 584 00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:42,880 I said, have been intentional about saying, okay, if this comes into 585 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,679 your life through school or through social media. We'll discuss them with it. 586 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,679 Let's really figure it out together. I spent my son, my sixteen year 587 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,360 old, and I did a road trip like six hours in the car together 588 00:40:53,400 --> 00:41:00,239 on Saturday, and we listened to segments five different segments of culture or with 589 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,119 Tim Pool, where he had on some wild guests that we're talking about some 590 00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:07,000 pretty graphic things, you know, one on whether or not sex work should 591 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:13,599 be legalized. One on how to prepare men for the current dating market, 592 00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:16,880 with two very different perspectives about how that goes. And you know, he 593 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,639 had people on there saying, yeah, men, you should have a body 594 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,000 count of at least fifty women before you get married, you know, right, 595 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:29,840 And and yeah, a lot of Christian parents fee like, oh, 596 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,400 but I'm like bring it, Like, can I see what you're saying? 597 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,800 First, I wouldn't intrud again, I wouldn't introduce that to my eight year 598 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,840 old. But you have a high school teenage boy, you know, that's 599 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:42,079 a totally different world. Yeah. But with my eight year old, I 600 00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:45,320 would say, oh, did you see in that movie how you know he 601 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:51,239 was kissing her and taking her home and they're not married. Yeah, that's 602 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,960 not the kids, you know. They flagged that for me. My kids 603 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,480 know that strange. That's right, That's exactly how it should be. They 604 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,880 need to know truth and beauty. So when they see that, go, 605 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,679 oh, mommys and daddy. Who are the only ones that go to the 606 00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:06,400 same bedroom at night? Not boyfriend's girlfriends. I've been talking with one of 607 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,639 my favorite Federalist writers, Katie Faust. She's a president of Them Before Us 608 00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:14,559 and the author of the new book. We've been talking about raising conservative kids 609 00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:17,800 in Awoke City. I'm Joy Pullman, executive editor here at the Federalist, 610 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:25,599 signing off with you don't forget to be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray.