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The following present is Del Marvis Studios
Production. Welcome back to truth seekers from

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around the world. It's time for
another edition of the flat Earth Files.

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I hope this podcast finds you well. We have a very special guest who

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will bring on in just a moment. Just a couple of quick reminders.

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Again, it's the flat earth Files
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further ado, let's bring on our
special guests for the day. Joining us

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from Latvia today is Madara. Good
morning or a good afternoon? Where you

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are? How are you good afternoon? Yeah, three o'clock here. It's

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very nice to meet you. We've
been corresponding for some time and it's great

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to have you on the program.
Yes, and some heads up for listeners

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if you're sending the email, My
sure that you are choosing the right email

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address, because I tried to reach
George a few times using a wrong email

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address and I was curious why he's
not answering. So, yeah, good

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thing to know. Good to know, indeed, and please do take a

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few minutes and introduce yourself to the
audience. Yeah, so, Madara.

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Emphasis is on the first syllable from
Latvia, which is not so small in

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the country, but the biggest as
well in Europe, next to the twenty

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Estonia and Russia. As we talked
before, Georgie, and not the best

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time maybe to be here at the
moment, since all the Ukraine Russia stuff

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going on and you never know what
is real, what is propaganda, and

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so and so on. But all
together with, I personally don't feel it

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that much, except that we can
see Ukraine legs everywhere and we don't see

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let Win flags. And yeah,
about me, I come from a very

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very very small city village, I
might say, in the middle of the

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forest, near one city called Alas. And yes, beforehand we talked with

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George and he asked what made me
a flat er? And I started to

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think about the question, and I
thought that I think I'm conspiracy in minded

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since forever, and it might be
because I'm from that small village. The

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nearest city was around thirty kilometers away, so we were in the middle of

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the forest. We had the boarding
school there. My parents were principles and

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owners of the school. So yeah, it was away from society, and

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I was not interested in TV,
so I spent a lot of time outside

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in the nature and thinking about the
world and about I don't know, about

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good and evil and stuff like that. That'ting. So you came from a

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background of education. Your mother and
father were educators. Yeah, my mom

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is a teacher. She is a
teacher in a Russian school. Actually we

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still have those. They're planning to
shut them down now in Latvia, but

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we still have Russian schools and she's
a teacher there. She has been a

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teacher, I think all her life. And I grew up in school.

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Yeah, but it was a boarding
school, so it's not your everyday education

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system. It's still like it was
a music school in people like children came

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from all around the country. They
could learn music and get also the basic

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education. But yeah, most of
the time it was they were dropped off

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on Monday and parents picked them up
on Friday, so it's like, yeah,

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they lived there as well, so
it was like a boarding school almost.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it
was exactly boarding school and that was

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sorry, go ahead. There was
no public transports to get there, so

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yeah, I think maybe ninety nine
of the pupils who were there for a

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week. Now, growing up,
you were in our rural area, right

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in a village with a lot of
trees, not a ton of people like,

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not like Moscow or you know,
these bigger cities like Riga or Kiev

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or Talent. Yeah, I'm assuming
you were doing a lot of things,

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maybe milking cows. You guys maybe
weren't going to the grocery store for all

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of your foods. You were working, right, The bread was handmade and

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things like that, not like here
in America people get their food from the

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grocery store. Most people don't homestead
or do things like that. Yeah,

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it was a bit from both of
the world because we had cows and stuff

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in the beginning. But afterwards we
actually got our money from this so respond

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which is funny now, Really I
grew up, I grew up knowing the

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name Sours, Yes, and we
got a lot of charity from USI actually

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yes, because my father used to
be a politician as well, so he

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was good with sponsors and he was
good with projects and that kind of stuff.

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But also he had problems with alcohol. So it's yeah, a bit

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from both of the world. But
yeah, since I remember, we didn't

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have any cause we didn't have any
shops as well. It was I don't

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know how it's called in English,
but we had a shop on wheels,

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like a tiny bus came once in
a week and you could buy you could

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buy groceries there. That's really interesting. And now I'm not sure if you

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remember Latvia pre nineteen ninety one because
it was originally part of the USSR.

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Correct, Yeah, that's correct,
But I was born in ninety two.

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Oh okay, so my doctor.
But I've heard a lot from my parents

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and grandparents, and in the summers
I did live in a farm as well,

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but yeah, it was in a
different city. But yes, to

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answer the question about the basics,
I think that what that was one of

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the things that influenced made the most
because I remember that my brother really loved

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to watch cartoons and there was this
this show on TV called The Charmed.

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I don't know if you know the
show about three whiches was quite popular,

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and it was quite popular in Latvia
as well. And I remember that we

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didn't have so good connection. We
were able only to read the subtitles in

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Russia, and everything else was you
know, when the antennas are not working

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properly, you get this fuzzy picture
on the TV. And yeah, we

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couldn't see the picture, but we
could just read the subtitles. And we

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did watch that with my my sister, and yeah, that was the only

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show I was interested in. And
I ended up buying some candles and doing

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some witchcraft and stuff like that.
So that was something I had to come

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over when I when I started to
believe in Christ, and only recently I

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understood that like, okay, I
did those things unknowingly, but still you

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don't hear in church that there are
the things that you did in childhood that

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might influence you when you're growing up. And you usually hear about I don't

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know, the adultery and robberies and
stuff like that, that that's bad,

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but you don't hear that often churches
that as well. Witchcraft is something that

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can influence you. Yeah, it's
a big deal. It's something that we

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have to deal with here in the
United States on a daily basis. Even

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the commercials have this kind of evil
in it that the propaganda that they use

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with the television is just scary.
We we basically have gotten rid of it

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just because everything about it is just, you know, something as simple as

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like you said, Charmed, the
TV show, which was huge over here.

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It had big stars Alissa Milano,
Shennon Doherty and all these folks,

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and again people will see it as
harmless, you know, just a harmless

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TV show. But when you dig
deep, and there's a prime example,

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you were you were actually lighting candles
and practicing. It's it's really something that

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we talk about a lot on this
program about how how dangerous you know,

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the propaganda is here in this country
and it's and it reaches across the Baltic

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Sea to you, yeah, exactly, and especially for the kids. I

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didn't think about it. It was
just an interesting show and I thought,

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oh, maybe I can write my
own spells and stuff like that. Also,

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I carved the symbol from the show
in the candles and oh my,

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and now now I have two kids, the twins there are a bit more

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than a year old, and I
have Exemma and all kinds of stuff,

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and I started to read books about
occultism and how it's passed from generation to

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generation, and yeah, I just
ended up going to my church's pastor and

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having some kind of I forgot the
word now, but yeah, when you

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confess your sin, confession, Yeah, I went to a confession and only

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then I started to put those points
together that yeah, I did that when

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I was when I was small.
And it says that it might be three

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generations that are influenced by that,
and yeah, it was kind of crazy

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to understand that it's a TV show, but it influences you so so much,

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especially when you were a kid.
Because also when I went to school,

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everyone was crazy about the show and
we did we used some needles and

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put our fingers together like we are
blood sisters, and like, yeah,

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just crazy stuff. Yeah, it
really is. And outside of that,

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you said you didn't really watch much
television. When did Were you one of

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these people that all of your life
you always questioned the official narrative And maybe

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it was different because maybe the propaganda
is a little more obvious in different parts

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of the world. When do you
think you really started questioning the official narrative

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of things that maybe you heard on
the news or those type of things.

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Yeah, it's interesting to think about
because when I was little, I didn't

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watch the news. One thing I
remember very vividly was the nine to eleven

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because also in Latvia, we were
shown the same video you can see now

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when you're looking on Google searching and
on Google. I remember that because we

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had a friend who lived in Pennsylvania
and all that kind of stuff. I

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never even imagined that it could be
fake, Like why why would anyone fake

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that? I didn't think about it. But I was not. I don't

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know, I was not the same
I was. Yeah, I don't know

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how to explain. I was never
I never fit in with other kids.

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I didn't think about what is propaganda, is what is fake and all that.

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But I always thought a little differently
because I loved reading books. I

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loved to spend time with teachers,
not other kids. Yeah, there were

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slight differences, but I think it
comes together with the fact that I grew

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up in the forest and I just
had a very very big imagination. Yeah,

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I could find what to do anywhere, and I I think I still

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have never said that I'm bored because
you can always find things to do,

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but what comes to the system and
not fitting in the system. And I

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think that started when I was around
thirteen fourteen, because I recently when we

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moved, I found some essays I
wrote for school. And actually interesting fact

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is that we are required to read
Animal Firm or ninety eighty four in school.

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It's part of a really yeah,
yeah, that's fun because I think

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you don't have to read that in
school in USA, but we do have.

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It's part of the list of the
books we have to read. You

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can choose between Animal Farm and nineteen
ninety four. I've read both of them

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and that was one of the books
that influenced me the most. And then

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since I read that, I was
like, oh, the system is broken.

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The system is broken and all that. Like. For example, one

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of the things that's popular here in
Latin are very bad roads. Road quality.

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It's very very bad. Yeah,
people are joking that the country should

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pay us that we drive our cars
because they break down, so and of

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course we pay the tax for the
roads, but everyone's laughing that it should

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be the other way around. Also, we have the speed traps everywhere.

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And also the official said, oh, we have to remove some of the

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speed traps because they are not getting
so much money as we plan. So

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they're even admitting that it's not for
safety, it's for money. They're trying

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to earn money. When somebody goes, I don't know, five kilometer or

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over and the speed of it,
okay, usually it's ten. But still

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that the official government said, oh, we have to remove some of those

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because it's not enough, it's not
turning enough. That's right, Trust me,

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we get it. You know,
we pay a lot of taxes here

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in the States, and we see
we don't get any of the benefits of

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it, right, and it must
be frustrating for you to pay taxes and

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uh, you know to see your
roads never get fixed. And we have

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projects on the roads here. They
take years, you know, we'll have

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I live close to Route three oh
one and they've had construction on it ever

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since I've moved back three years ago. So yeah, it's it's a joke.

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Yeah, it's very very bad here. And yeah, what I was

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about to say, yeah, the
system and everything's broken and all that.

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But I think a lot of things
also changed for me when I started to

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believe in believe in God, because
it just made sense how the world operated

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because also I mentioned my father.
He has been alcoholic in my life and

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he is also kind of it's not
an official diagnos diagnosis, but he's like

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she's a Frannic in the spiritual way
that he thinks that he was sent from

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God. And he said that a
lot of times when we were little,

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that he's sent from God, he
has special powers. But at the same

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time, he drank. And there
was a lot of violence in my family

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family, and I always thought,
Okay, if God was real, then

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then why is this happening? Then
why God is not punishing him? And

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also my mom had cancer, and
I thought, okay, my father is

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the bad one, so why is
my mom? I think this sickness?

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And yeah, a lot of things
happened and I couldn't understand. I couldn't

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understand. I was like, Okay, God cannot be real if all this

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is happening in my life and in
other people's lives. But then, yeah,

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I don't know. Something changed in
me. I understood that that's not

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God that makes these things happen,
and had a lot of forgiveness and understanding

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that that's the world that's wicked,
not God. Because God is perfect,

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and it changed a lot a lot
that in my life. Also it changed

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me as a person a lot because
I was not bitter, I was not

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hateful. I just understood that God
is perfect and it's us that make the

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world wicked with people. And then
a lot of things made sense because of

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that, also that the system is
broken and everything just started to make sense.

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That. Yeah, it changed how
I looked at life and understood that

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the government is not necessarily good,
because before that I didn't think that.

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I was naively thinking that everyone is
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the government, not only teachers and
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doing their best. And yeah,
somehow I just neglected that there is evil

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in the world before that. But
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it was like, I don't know, fifteen years ago, a lot of

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things changed and fell into perspective.
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out perfectly. And you know,
Latvia has a history. You know,

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you hear certain parts of World War
two in the history books. Right,

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we all know about the Battle of
the Bulge and the Holocaust and those type

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of things. But what is not
taught here in our public schools are the

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concentration camps we had in the United
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also post World War Two, there
was a lot of evil and if people

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don't know, back in March of
nineteen forty nine, I think that was

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close to fifty thousand Latvians who were
all swept up and deported to Siberia and

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something called Operation pre Boy, and
it was somewhere between fifty thousand and ended

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up being close to two hundred thousand
that were deported to the Soviet concentrated camps

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which were called what the gulags from
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through the early fifties. So a
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ended and rainbows and unicorns were all
about, But that's the farthest thing from

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the troop. A lot of Latvians
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end of World War Two. I
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lot more than I do, because
I started to become interested in history,

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only I don't know two years ago. Before that, I was not that

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interested. I knew only some facts
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and we found his diaries. He
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pencil in case he needed to raise
it. All the Russians came and these

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kind of things. I knew only
what I've read in his diary and in

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some books. But I was never
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in languages and yeah, but not
history. And now I think, oh,

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if only I would have learned when
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you know, we also don't know
what's real and what's not. I

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know that the things that my ancestors
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the fear is real. Not only
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times. And yeah, yep.
And you know what, we did the

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same thing. My wife and I
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to pass down to our daughters and
hopefully they'll pass it down to their children

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about the truth about COVID. So
if they ever try to pull this again,

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they'll have an actual document from family
members who say they're going to try

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to push vaccine on you. They're
going to try to lock you in your

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house, they're going to try to
close your churches, and it's all propaganda

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and it's all evil. It's so
evil that everything about COVID was evil.

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the churches, that's interesting. My
husband's cousins they say that I remember from

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childhood that their my mother burned them
about this beforehand. I don't know the

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full story, but I remember meeting
the cousins and they were like, yeah,

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our mom always said that this will
happen, and it happened. It's

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like, yeah, I don't know, she said. She said. It

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was not like I don't know,
dream from God or anything, but that

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just it made sense that this is
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that they've done it at work,
they'll do it again. Yeah, exactly.

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so connected, so connected, the

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globalism and all that. Because I
was thinking also beforehand, and I listened

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to Jordan Peterson's podcast a lot,
and he had a politician on on the

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show, and they thought they were
talking about Toronto and how the cities are

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ruined for the cars, that they're
removing parking lots, that they are making

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a lot of bikelines in the places
that make no sense. And all this

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is happening in Latvia. I was
listening to the podcast nest I thought that

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they're talking about Riga because exactly the
same thing is happening here. They're putting

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on some plastic poles everywhere so that
you can't park your car there. The

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problem is that also the ambulance cannot
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this is all done by the organization
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I think ninety nine percent of the
people never drew a car. Of course,

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they make not so smart decisions about
the city. They remove the the

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parking spots. They removed also a
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you get a lot more traffic.
And Jordan Peters said, Peterson said one

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sentence that made me think, it's
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That's that's a plan. So you
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you have to walk there, you
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yeah, as he said, it's
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happening here in small Latvia. Yeah, that the what's it cities for people?

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That was pushed by someone named Jan
Gehl and g e h L,

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and it's also pushed by the United
Nations. And if people don't believe that

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we already have a global governance,
I'm willing to bet that you guys went

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through everything we did. Downs,
you had to wear masks, you had

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to stay six feet apart. You
guys go through all that as well.

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And I also had to leave my job

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because I was not I wasn't able
to work remotely, and we were supposed

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to get to vaccines. So yeah, I didn't. I was Yeah,

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I asked to leave. Later,
they made it even legal to fire people.

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less you have to leave. But

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they actually legalized it where they can
fire you if you don't take a vaccination.

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sector. But afterwards also I think
the law said something like that if the

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employer thinks that you are a threat
to the rest of the people, then

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they can fire you or something like
that. I don't know for sure.

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a few sneeze, they can fire you.

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Right, you're yeah, but you
have the flexi glass, so you're

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saying, oh my gosh, I
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It's okay, that's just insane.
Yeah, it's two meters here. Did

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did they close churches where you were
to? Yeah? Everything was closed the

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same regulations. You can't go outside
after eight o'clock only if you have a

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dog. The dog, yes,
yeah, and also near your house,

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so if the police stops you with
the dog, you have to show which

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is your door. And also the
phones were connected to some kind I don't

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know how they attract the phone.
So also you are not available. You

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were not able to gether indoors or
for New Years, forbidden to celebrate New

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Years, and some people, of
course tried to do that, and they

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had some guesthouses. And then yeah, the police came with the rights and

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gave fines to people. I think
it was two thousand or two thousand euros

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per person. They made it very
very public, so that next time when

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there is this law, that nobody
tries. Yeah. And also people ended

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up reporting on each other. So
a lot of our friends just bought some

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blinds that they never wouldn't see that
they are having somebody over. And yeah,

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we escaped Soviet times just to do
exactly the same thing again all over

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again, history repeating itself. Did
most people in your area where you live,

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did they think it was all about
safety? Like? Did they?

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Were they fine with it? Or
were there a lot of people like yourself

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who said this is ridiculous and they're
taking our rights away all in the name

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of COVID. I think most of
the people thought that it's okay because this

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is the capital. I live in
the capital city. When you drive farther

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away, there were also one little
town where the police officer he just didn't

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give fines to people. He was
like one of the people. He allowed

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everyone to work and so on.
And we asked some French how is it

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going there, and the answered that
it's fine because the policeman is for the

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people. But yeah, but that's
further as you get out into the capital.

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Yeah, the closer you got to
the capital, the more harder fist

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it was run. Right, Yeah, yeah, exactly. Also a lot

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of my colleagues and everyone used I
don't know, two masks, and also

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the weird glass what you can put
on with a cat. Yeah. It

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was also mandatory to use masks indoors, and at my workplace, I said,

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okay, I'm not going to do
that, and I started to work

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my invented second shift. So I
came to work when everyone else left because

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I worked in a bank at that
time, so it was like a back

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office job, and I was I
was able to plan my own time.

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But yeah, I booked a meeting
room and I came to work when everyone

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else went home. And after a
while there was there were some people who

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are not fine with it. They
said, oh, she's booking the meeting

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room for the next half year.
It's not allowed, not allowed. Why

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is she doing that? And yeah, then I left that job as well.

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Wow, But most of the people
thought that it is. It's fine

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at least around me. Okay,
maybe some of our closest friends taught a

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little bit similar to us, but
everyone was like, okay, but I

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don't want to lose my job or
or you'll never know. And now also

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now they most of the people are
not even interested in what's happening in the

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world. I'm very happy that I
have my husband, because he thinks a

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lot like me and we're on the
same page. But a lot of people

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around they're like, oh, okay, what does it matter now, I

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took the vaccine. I don't feel
anything. I'm not dead, so what

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does it matter? They just don't
care now, And yeah, I did

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a little research. Is it true
they have like upwards of ten vaccines that

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are mandatory that you have to take
or is that just like quotes mandatory?

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But you can still get away without
getting vaccinated like childhood Yes, childhood vaccines,

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I mean no COVID. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.

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That is absolutely true. Also,
if you take vaccine, it's combined

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vaccine, so if you take one, it's like six or seven combined in

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one, so you can't even choose, like I want this for my kid

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and I don't want the other one
because it's all in one. But yeah,

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that is very much true and very
very painful topic for me because I

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did that first ones for our kids, for the twins, but yeah,

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I regret it because they had a
very bad reaction. Also, we actually

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decided not to get hold of them. We decided to take one this combined

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and there were two separates, so
it's like, yeah, the combined one

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with two separate in one at one
appointment, and we decided to take only

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the combined one and not the other
two. But they had some kind of

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doctor meeting. It was seven doctors
sitting there and asking questions and taking the

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kids like from hand to hand.
And they asked, so, are you

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going to accent the kids? And
usually they don't ask this question, they

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just mostly do. But we already
said in the previous appointment that we are

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still thinking about it. So they
asked and I said, yes, only

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the combined one. And in all
these chaos, they just put all vaccines

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and I was like, okay,
so we did that for one kid,

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I can't experiment on the other one. Yeah, so we ended up giving

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the vaccines also to the second kid. But we actually do regret that,

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and also the exam I thing.
I don't know. Maybe it's also because

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of that, and I didn't I
was not interested in vaccine truth as it's

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called before I started to think about
it only when I got kids. Sure,

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yeah, absolutely, And again I
think COVID is another thing that did

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wake people up to the vaccinations,
because people started asking, well, what's

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in the vaccine. I don't worry
about it, and then people actually started

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taking the time. Here in the
United States, we have the CDC and

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you can look up every vaccine.
Some of the vaccines obviously have fetal cells,

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some vaccines actually have cells from dogs. And then of course they have

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formaldehyde, different egg junks, and
it's just yeah, and the fact that

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the big pharmaceutical basically has no liability
it is something that should be a huge

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red flag for people. Yeah,
actually the ingredients are different for you in

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USA, it's worse. In Europe
it is not that bad. But yeah,

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still nobody is liable. And I
also, when we asked to our

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family doctor, she answered, oh, you know, how to think about

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it, we have talked instead of
you, like, yeah, that was

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our problem and she didn't understand that
we couldn't answer any of our questions.

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And yeah, basically she was mad
that we were even asking. And that

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in itself is another red flag because
like I tell people, if I gave

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you a cup with a drink in
it and I said, here, drink

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this, and you asked me,
well, what's in it? And I

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said, oh, don't worry about
it, just drink it. Are you

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going to drink it? Of course
not it's important for people know what they're

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putting in their body right exactly,
and also especially for the kids. Yes,

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especially for the kids. But yeah, we did we did that,

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But that's true. We have so
many of them. And also it's you

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get them when the kid is three
months old, then four months old and

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six month old or something like that. We have a vaccine calendar, even

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official calendar, and every time you
don't want to take even one of them,

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you have to sign a paper that
you're liable as a parent. Wow,

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what a world we live in.
Let's let's talk a little bit about

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flat Earth. Let's transition over to
that. How did you first come upon

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the subject. It's a kind of
funny story. My husband came from work

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one day and he said, yeah, kind of what happened to that at

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work? And I think the earth
is flat? And I thought that he

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has gone completely mad, really,
but his boss started to take lessons as

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a pilot and he's also conspiracy minded
and they often end up talking about the

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weird things in the world, and
also about the vaccines. About now the

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00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:34.320
hot topic is the mushrooms and how
they can help you avoid medicine and so

412
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:38.719
on. But yes, the flatters. He just he just blurbed it out

413
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:44.760
to me and said, okay,
listen now, and he started to tell

414
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:50.480
everything that has that they talked about
about the airplane routes. He even showed

415
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:57.800
me the mad Uh where you can
see live live routes for airplanes. And

416
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:05.760
also that he the posts that he
got to know about the treaty and that

417
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:09.480
you cannot go to Antarctic and that's
kind of sketchy, and yeah, all

418
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:15.239
these things, you know, like
the beginner steps. And I was very

419
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:20.880
skeptic at the first because I'm yeah, I'm a book worm. I like

420
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:24.440
to read. My favorite books when
I was a kid was encyclopedias. I

421
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:29.400
read them a lot. So yeah, I just thought that it is very

422
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:37.559
very crazy. I couldn't Yeah,
the first I couldn't believe it, and

423
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:43.320
I thought that they're mad. And
then he started to tell these things and

424
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:46.360
they started to make a lot more
sense. Also, the Bible makes a

425
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:52.119
lot more sense and the genesis and
all that. But yeah, I think

426
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:59.000
the biggest question for me were the
flight patch because I used to travel by

427
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:06.079
playing a lot. I used to
live in Norway as well. Yeah,

428
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.639
I you know, when you're flying
on an airplane, they show you this

429
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:15.639
little map that you're flying. Yeah, I always thought that it was kind

430
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:21.199
of weird, the flight paths.
So yeah, that's I think that was

431
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.519
number one for me, that it
just makes no sense. And I also

432
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:31.599
I used to I used to work
at airplane company. Well I worked there

433
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:37.639
for like a month, but yes, we had to take all the flight

434
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:45.719
attendant courses and exams and and all
that, and every time I went on

435
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:50.199
a plane, I just thought that, yeah, this is very weird.

436
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:58.480
Oh they're they're flying. Also,
I was supposed to fly with the pilots.

437
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:02.880
Well, it's part of the lessons
before you can become a flight attendant.

438
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.840
You sit together with pilots so you
know what they're doing when they're departing

439
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:15.679
or arriving, so you understand why
you can't can't come in when they're yeah,

440
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:21.159
when they're lending the plane for example, that they're busy with all the

441
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:28.119
all the things the violence do.
Yeah, and I remember that. I

442
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:32.079
also never saw the curve. I
took a video and I took pictures,

443
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:37.639
but I deleted them. I don't
know why I didn't save them, but

444
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:45.360
I remember the fact that everything was
flat for like forever, also above the

445
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:52.400
clouds, And yeah, I didn't
think about it then, but now when

446
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:57.280
I think about it, said that
I deleted the videos because they actually allowed

447
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:02.920
us to take to take videos from
Coca. Yeah, that's two things that

448
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:06.960
you'd mentioned. I think about a
lot. Is because when I was in

449
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.440
the military, every time we went
to the Middle East, we'd go from

450
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:15.199
bangor Maine to either Ireland or Germany, and the plane would look like it

451
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:20.880
was going up and around. It
made no sense, Like you said,

452
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:22.719
the flight path, why aren't we
going straight across? But when you look

453
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:28.239
at it on a flat Earth map, it makes complete sense. And I

454
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:32.639
too, somewhere when I was coming
home back ten twenty years ago, I

455
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:37.800
had pictures too, and it just
it's just completely flat. And then when

456
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:44.400
I climb the Manitude incline in Colorado
Springs, you can see forever. It's

457
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:50.480
just we've been brainwashed to believe these
things, and once you're awake, you

458
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:52.519
just kind of like, I kicked
myself. How did I let myself get

459
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.320
fooled? All the evidence was right
in front of me all this time.

460
00:41:55.360 --> 00:42:00.599
Now, I'm assuming when you were
in school that they taught you about the

461
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:05.559
moon landing and everything else right.
Actually don't remember about the moon landing,

462
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.440
but it was in all the encyclopedia
as I read when I was a kid,

463
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:14.719
so yeah. We had also one
encyclopedia that said that people used to

464
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:23.280
think that the earth is flat,
and that this Columbus now yeah Christopher Columbus.

465
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:28.920
Yeah yeah, yeah, let you
and it's a bit different. We

466
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:36.079
also translate people's names into really weird
here. Yeah, so that he was

467
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:39.599
afraid to fall off the edge.
It was in the encyclopedia that sentence.

468
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:46.599
So yes, of course I was
indoctrinated when they're very young age. But

469
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:53.440
yeah, I think one thing that
characterizes me is that I really trust the

470
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:59.320
Holy Spirit now since I came back
to Christ, and I kind of feel

471
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:05.960
like that every time I find out
some truths. It just makes sense because

472
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:09.599
also when I was pregnant with my
Twinston, I was put on a bad

473
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:15.400
rest. I could not do anything, so I was just watching a lot

474
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:22.199
of conspiracy documentaries, like I don't
know, twenty four seven. It was

475
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.679
like everything I was doing, and
I learned also about history more than I

476
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:34.039
learned, more than I learned in
school, know twelve years. So yes,

477
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:39.000
I also watched about UFOs and stuff
like that. But I was very

478
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:45.840
interested in that, and then watched
also a documentary on Netflix, but I

479
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:50.159
couldn't go to sleep because it was
like after watching a horror movie. I

480
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:53.239
didn't feel very I don't know,
very good. I was a bit scared

481
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:58.079
and it just yeah, it just
scared me. And then I talked to

482
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:01.159
one of our Christian friends that are
I think the only ones that are also

483
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:07.360
flat earthers, and they said yes. But I've heard also stories that when

484
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:12.280
when somebody see the UFO, they
started to they start to pray to Jesus

485
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:17.440
that it disappeared basically, and I
thought, okay, that makes sense,

486
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:22.679
and then yeah, all my UFO
money, I just yeah, was stopped

487
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:28.199
with that because I thought that makes
sense. And of course afterward, when

488
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:31.440
I started thinking about the flat ears, it makes sense that there isn't any

489
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:37.800
UFOs because yeah, there is nowhere
to come from. That's right, that

490
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:45.039
there very may very well be experimental
flying obstacles that man has created that they're

491
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.119
hiding from us. Even back during
World War Two, they had the food

492
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:51.960
fighters which resembled you know, UFOs, and I do believe they brought a

493
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.480
lot of those back to the United
States the area fifty one, and that's

494
00:44:54.519 --> 00:45:00.519
probably what people saw, Yeah,
but also could be some kind of deep

495
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:07.280
hypnosis. And I mentioned that I
read the book about occultism, and also

496
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:13.760
the man he mentioned that a lot
of magic and a lot of hypnosis and

497
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.519
all these kind of things he has
observed. It also works on massive masses,

498
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:24.880
not only on one person like one
on one, but also for the

499
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:30.760
masses. And we can see that
hypnosis shows as well. So yeah,

500
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:35.039
you never know. Of course,
it could be like Project Bluebeam type of

501
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:39.559
thing or anything. But I think
that part of it might be also like

502
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:45.199
black magic or something like that.
Yeah, and they used the TV to

503
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:49.440
deliver a lot of the hypnosis and
this mind programming. Just two days ago

504
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:54.840
they had mentioned this big top secret
thing in Washington, d C. Where

505
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:02.119
Russia has developed this laser and outer
space or something that can knock out our

506
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:12.239
satellites. It's just just more more
trickery. Yeah, it's crazy. But

507
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:16.079
yeah, why I thought to come
on the podcast is just the thing that

508
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:21.039
it's all connected. It is that
it doesn't matter that I'm in latter and

509
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:25.920
you're in USI so like the same
things are happening. Also recently. Recent

510
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.000
thing that happened. I think that
you changed the passports there and it removed

511
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:36.519
a lot of national symbols. There
is that true? I read I saw

512
00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:42.559
it on Instagram that some states changed
the passport and it removed the eagle or

513
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:47.840
something that you used to have.
I'm not from have to check. I

514
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.440
don't know. I saw it on
Instagram, so I don't know if that's

515
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:55.599
true, but it could be true
because the same thing happens in Latvio.

516
00:46:55.639 --> 00:47:00.760
Know, we changed the design and
we had a lot of national symbolism there.

517
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:07.679
Oh okay, it originates in paganism, but anyway, it's like the

518
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:14.280
national identity and it is being removed. And also that's another thing that points

519
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:20.079
to globalism, that we have one
world government where everyone is the world citizen,

520
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:25.480
and we have almost the same passports
with no national symbolism. Well,

521
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:30.239
I think this is one of the
big reasons behind the mass immigration. They're

522
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:34.519
trying to get all the borders to
collapse and have a one world government.

523
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:38.039
And this is happening. It's been
happening in the UK for years. It's

524
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:42.760
been happening in Canada, United States, and many European countries. I've heard

525
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:45.239
people say that Paris is not close
to the country it was twenty years ago.

526
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:50.039
Yeah, it could be, and
it's happening. Also here in Latvig

527
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:57.920
we have a lot of student programs
for people from India and from Pakistan,

528
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:04.079
I think as well, actual programs. The students are basically invited here.

529
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:07.559
And also a lot of jobs are
being opened, like food deliveries and all

530
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:15.400
all kinds of stuff. They prefer
immigrants, and yeah, you can just

531
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:22.920
see it here as well. Maybe
for not so many years, but for

532
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:29.639
the last five at least, it's
Yeah, it's everywhere, especially in capital

533
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:37.719
city as well. Also, the
Ukrainians now are coming in so and what's

534
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:43.840
funny is that they're closing country schools. They are making a lot of new

535
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:52.039
laws that are basically making countryside die. So when we come to the capital

536
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:58.599
city and yeah, it just makes
no sense because the birth rate also is

537
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:05.199
catastrophically low here. So we get
new immigrants, we get new people,

538
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:13.760
but actual the Latvians are dying out
themselves, immigrating to Scandinavia to UK.

539
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:22.559
Yeah, it's it's the same here. Our birth rates have declined. It

540
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.119
not even like a steady decline,
it has fallen off a clip, especially

541
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:30.239
over the last five to ten years, and obviously with COVID and everything else,

542
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:35.199
keeping people apart that that's all part
of their plan, right. I

543
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:39.400
don't know if you remember the Georgia
Guidestones, which in Georgia, and the

544
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:45.000
very first thing was keeping the world
population at five hundred million, and according

545
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:50.199
to the official stats, we're at
eight billions. So they're obviously doing their

546
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:52.599
part to try to get it down. And yeah, here in the United

547
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:59.159
States the birth rates are alarmingly low. Yeah, it is the same here.

548
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:05.880
We have to put the Middle East
somewhere else. I guess that's the

549
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:09.360
plan. I don't know that's how
it sounds. I think I answered this

550
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:14.599
before we hit the record button.
But have you had any luck sharing your

551
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:19.280
knowledge with flat earth with other people? Or do you get the usual cold

552
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:22.360
shoulder and the crazy look from people
when you mention it, or have you

553
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:27.599
not really had an opportunity to bring
it up with others? Well, I've

554
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:32.679
tried with one with one couple,
a couple friends we have. They're still

555
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:37.880
thinking we are crazy, but that's
fine. And they had a lot of

556
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:46.000
questions, like about the quator and
I can't really answer them so that it

557
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:51.360
makes sense. So I was trying
to find David Wise video, but you

558
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:57.280
cannot find anything, Like I went
through I don't know whuty pages on Google.

559
00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:02.239
It's just not there. I tried
Flatters and David Wise and like also

560
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:07.239
specific sentences. It's just blocked here
at least way. I know that it's

561
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:13.400
centered also for you, but that
you cannot find it at all. That

562
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:17.599
was new for me really. Also
on doctor Goal and the index is blocked

563
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:22.679
because it's a Russian site, so
everything that's Russian is blocked here. That's

564
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.719
right. One other one you might
want to try is called Brave. It's

565
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:30.800
a little better than Duck Duck Go. Yeah, I might. I might

566
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:35.719
check that out. But yeah,
I mean that is crazy. Also,

567
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:39.119
as you said, the red flag, if it's so so blocked, so

568
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:45.280
it must be true. That's right. How did you find my podcast?

569
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:52.760
I wrote Flatters on Spotify. I
think it showed a suggested podcast, so

570
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:58.239
that was not blocked. So Spotify
is not that bad in that interesting how

571
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:02.199
YouTube is so controlled by the algorithm, But still for now the podcasts aren't.

572
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:08.679
M Yeah, that is interesting,
but maybe it's because not now Okay,

573
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:12.519
the podcasts are very popular at the
moment, So no, I don't

574
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:17.440
know. Yeah, that's very interesting. Yeah, I wanted to talk a

575
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:22.480
little bit more about your silver bullets. But did they talk did they teach

576
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:25.920
you much about the Russian space program
growing up or was it just basically they

577
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:30.639
touched on the moon landing, We
went to the moon and the Earth is

578
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.480
round and they left it at that
or how deep did they go into these

579
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:38.880
subjects when you were going through school. Well, I changed five schools,

580
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:46.800
so they all had different approaches.
Oh wow, Yeah, but I remember

581
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:59.079
that they did teach in depth about
the Earth itself, like the the atmosphere

582
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:01.679
that it has I don't know how
many levels, and the stratosphere and all

583
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:07.760
that, and also what's in the
earth. That's something that I remember kind

584
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:12.559
of vividly because it had a lot
of pictures. You know that you can

585
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:17.679
see the core and that's where the
lava comes from and all that. Uh,

586
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.320
that was thought a lot. So
yes, of course you think about

587
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:31.280
it as a globe because they make
it make sense like they yeah, they

588
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:37.679
say that the volcanos explained that,
and the lights explain this, and okay,

589
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:42.079
yeah it makes sense also in the
flat earth. But the picture.

590
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:47.639
The picture in your mind is a
globe when you when you're taught, isn't

591
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:52.280
that interesting? As you get older
and you think of things like they know

592
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:57.280
exactly what the core of the Earth
is. At the same time you find

593
00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:01.280
out the deepest hole in the world
is only seven and a half miles So

594
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:07.280
how do they know? Yeah,
and the temperature on Mars and everywhere else,

595
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:15.440
and yeah, it's ridiculous. It
really makes no sense. And I

596
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:20.199
think that's one of the points.
It just makes no sense. It was

597
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:27.039
the same also with the belief in
God for me, because I remember that

598
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:31.239
I went to university and the teacher
was explaining and saying that, Okay,

599
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:37.639
we have the Darwin theory and it's
like this and that, and yeah,

600
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:40.679
it's been pretty much proven wrong.
And then we have this theory and it

601
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:45.920
goes like this and that, but
it's pretty much wrong and or has some

602
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:50.159
missing links. And then she said
like, okay, there is the Bible

603
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:52.199
theory and nobody can prove it wrong. And I was like, hmm,

604
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:59.719
that's interesting. The same was also
with the origins of language and all that.

605
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:04.199
Oh. Yeah, for me to
believe it, I think it just

606
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:09.920
has to make sense. And yeah, flatter makes sense, yep. And

607
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:14.840
I think we also talked about how
when you came on flat earth and when

608
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:20.559
you understood flat earth, did it
bring you closer to God and your faith

609
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:23.320
with Jesus Christ and it maybe helped
you understand the Bible a little better.

610
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:30.920
Well, somehow it's the other way
around, because I think I can believe

611
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:34.880
in flatters because I believe in God. For me, it was the other

612
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:39.480
way around. But yeah, Genesis
makes more sense. And also that I

613
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:46.519
started to take Bible more literally because
before that it's like the parts you cannot

614
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:53.519
explain. Oh, it must be
a metaphor precisely. Yeah, no,

615
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:59.239
no, it just makes more sense. And I can also imagine that there

616
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:05.239
are these paul and angels and that
they might be the big like big what

617
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.880
do you think of a bigfoot?
And all these things that you could take

618
00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:15.079
that literally. And before I thought
of it more like a folklore. But

619
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:20.480
yeah, no, now I think
it's more literal. Yeah. And the

620
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:23.239
thing that bothers me the most is, you know, here's a young you

621
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:27.599
know, I always talk about the
children. They're in church for one or

622
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:30.199
two hours a week here in the
United States, and then thirty to thirty

623
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:34.280
five hours in the public school system. And if you go to Google,

624
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:37.679
like what the young children do today, and you know, maybe in church

625
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:40.960
they hear about Noah's flood and then
they go to Google when they get home

626
00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:49.079
and they put Genesis flood into the
Google. The very first paragraph says the

627
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.880
Genesis flood narrative, which is chapter
six through nine of the Book of Genesis,

628
00:56:53.360 --> 00:57:00.119
is a Hebrew flood myth. So
you know, here is is Wikipedia,

629
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:05.880
right, all knowing Wikipedia telling children
who go on to Google to research

630
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:08.320
it. Oh, that is just
a myth. But evolution and the Big

631
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:13.519
Bang and all those things are real. So that's something that I talk about

632
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:17.280
a lot, because it's so important
to let children know what we've learned as

633
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:22.400
adults now that you have to take
the Bible literally and not to believe what

634
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:27.920
man says because he's trying to steer
you away from God. Yeah, exactly.

635
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:32.440
And I remember also that I talked
a bit with the pastor of my

636
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:37.800
church and we touched the flatter since
he was like, well, I studied

637
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:45.440
geography, so of course I don't
believe flatter. He doesn't even try to

638
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:51.480
think about it, like because he
studied geography, you know. Yeah,

639
00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:54.400
that's the education system. And here
in the States it's run by the Rockefellers,

640
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:59.159
and they are part of the problem
that we deal with. They're the

641
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:05.880
supporters of people like the United Nations
and this globalist agenda that has been again

642
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:12.440
since you know Nimrod in the Tower
for Bible that they've bringing back the one

643
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:15.159
World government. And now with all
the technology they have, they're able to

644
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:20.599
move it at an accelerated speed,
and I cringe to see what the future

645
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:22.559
brings. Now, I'll ask you
this question too, because this is something

646
00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:27.599
I wrestle with. We all know
that in the end we'll have an eternity

647
00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:30.920
in heaven, right, But at
the same time, we want to make

648
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:35.599
things better for because you have children
now and they're going to have children someday,

649
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:38.599
so you want to try to leave
a world for them where they can

650
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:42.840
still be free and happy. So
what are your thoughts on the future.

651
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:51.199
Well, I think it's also a
written Bible that it will get only worse.

652
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:57.320
Not very motivational speaker, but I
think it's a given. I think

653
00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:02.199
we can do our best and educators
and I think that yeah, we can

654
00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:07.000
take with us the like the more
people, the best, the better.

655
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:14.480
But but as for the world,
I think it's doomed. Uh. Of

656
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:19.880
course I don't know the God's time, and I don't know if this is

657
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:25.559
just a sad like not a said, but but yeah, the dark ages

658
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:31.280
again and then it will get better
or this is already the beginning of the

659
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:37.719
end. I don't know that part, but uh, I just I just

660
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:44.360
try to think in the family terms. I try to pray for my kids

661
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:47.880
that they know God, and I
feel like if they will know God,

662
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:54.679
then they will be fine. They
will know that they are boys, that

663
00:59:54.840 --> 01:00:00.000
they are not in the wrong body. No, all these things that are

664
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:09.159
happening right now. And yes,
I think that's the main main focus for

665
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:17.039
me because also with the conspiracies and
everything, I am very passionate and I

666
01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:22.159
am willing to talk about it,
but I always try to remind myself that

667
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:28.480
the focus needs to be Jesus and
God, and like the latter Earth shouldn't

668
01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:36.000
be my focus, but God should. That if I am very willing and

669
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.360
very passionate to talk about conspiracies with
friends, then I should have the same

670
01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:45.719
passion talking about God. And that's
something I'm struggling with because of course it's

671
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:53.760
more interesting to talk about more lending
fails and then they fails and failed compilation

672
01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:59.960
and show all these with you us. Of course it's more interesting and fun.

673
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:06.480
But yeah, I'm just trying to
remind myself that actually the point is

674
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:10.280
knowing Jesus and that's the only way. Also, my kids could be saved

675
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:16.679
because my husband he has also older
kids, The oldest one is eleven years

676
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:23.639
old, and he is also saying
to them that, Okay, when you

677
01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:29.320
go to school, just question this, ask that. And I'm pretty sure

678
01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:37.679
that they will grow up critical thinkers. But will they grow up believers?

679
01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:45.079
So I think, yeah, that's
the that's the main point. Of course,

680
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:49.840
we do free will and everything.
We can't make them believe and they

681
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:57.800
know what is our belief, but
by our our yeah, they can just

682
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:01.920
watch what we are doing and do
the same. And I think it's more

683
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:07.320
chance that I will believe if we
lead by example. Yeah, example,

684
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:12.320
that's the word I was looking for. Lead by example, absolutely, yeah,

685
01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:15.719
And what discussing this, I've learned
that like God and Jesus should be

686
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:20.159
the top of the umbrella, right, and then all the conspiracies kind of

687
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:23.119
fall under that, and then at
the bottom all of the rabbit holes connect

688
01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:27.679
to Satan. Literally, at the
bottom of all these rabbit holes, whether

689
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:31.880
it's vaccines or chemtrails, you know, are diluted history. It's it's Satan

690
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:36.519
because he can't create, so what
does he do? He he deceives and

691
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:39.840
he perverts. So that's really but
you're right that we need to anytime we

692
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:45.679
have these type of conversations with our
friends, we should say, Like the

693
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:50.480
first podcast I ever did was why
the lie? It's to hide God?

694
01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:53.800
It's it's about to see Yeah,
and actually that is the thought that I

695
01:02:54.519 --> 01:03:01.039
again from this podcast. It's also
was new to flat Earth, and I

696
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:07.360
thought, why, Okay, money
is one thing that was the point.

697
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:13.679
My husband made these millions a day
or don't remember the amount, but a

698
01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:17.679
lot of money every day for NASA
and of course all that, but it

699
01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:22.519
just can't be it. And then
yeah, when you name that on your

700
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:25.320
podcast, I was like, Okay, again, the thing that makes sense

701
01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:30.920
for me that they're trying to hide
God, and they have hidden God from

702
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:37.639
so many nominal Christians as well that
could become real Christians. And there also,

703
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:44.559
of course are plenty of real Christians
that have Jesus in their hearts,

704
01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:51.760
but they they can't listen to you
when you're talking about flat earth, of

705
01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:59.400
course, but yeah, I think
it could be a bit individual because Holy

706
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:05.440
Spirit gives you the knowledge you're ready
for. I think so. But at

707
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:13.920
the same time, the amount of
people that are putting fingers in their ears

708
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:16.000
and saying la la, la,
la la every time you mentioned something like

709
01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:21.079
that, Yeah, that's that's just
sad. Yeah, really well done.

710
01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:25.880
Yeah, and going back to the
fact that you mentioned in the Bible of

711
01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:29.760
States, I think it's two Timothy
that says everyone who wants to live a

712
01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:32.800
godly life in Jesus Christ will be
persecuted. So we are told if we

713
01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:36.639
follow him that you're you're going to
come under persecution, and I think it's

714
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:42.079
only going to get worse as time, you know, goes forward. Yeah,

715
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:46.559
I totally agree, but I think
it's fine because it's said that it

716
01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:50.599
will be. So that's right,
came into that and we're down to the

717
01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:53.960
last few minutes. So I did
want to give you an opportunity. If

718
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:57.760
there was anything that you wanted to
chat about that you hadn't mentioned yet,

719
01:04:58.000 --> 01:05:04.119
this would be the perfect time for
you. I think I've said everything I

720
01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:08.679
have to say. I think it's
very interesting to see how the world is

721
01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:15.480
connected on the co conspiracy world is
connected, and how it doesn't matter where

722
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:19.000
you live. When Jordan Peterson talks
about Canada, I feel like he's talking

723
01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:24.320
about RIGA. And when you have
some guests on you talk about stuff and

724
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:27.679
they say that, oh, but
people don't care, they're not interested in

725
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:32.239
politics and so on. I feel
like it's the same here. So yeah,

726
01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:36.840
kind of big world but not so
big. Yeah that especially now with

727
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:44.199
the Internet exactly. Technology has made
the world smaller. Yeah, exactly.

728
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:49.519
And also if any like minded people
are coming to let you can reach out

729
01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:54.719
to me. I really love to
meet people from all around the world.

730
01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:58.599
I do also couch surfing, so
yeah, you can reach out to me.

731
01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:04.039
I will give your email address to
put in the show notes, so

732
01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:10.480
can't do that later awesome. Yeah, and we will have our email in

733
01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:13.239
the show notes, so you can
reach out. And what a pleasure it's

734
01:06:13.239 --> 01:06:15.199
been to chat with you. I've
had a great conversation. I've learned a

735
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:20.159
lot. I think the biggest takeaway
is basically had the same conversation with you

736
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:25.119
that I would have with someone here
in the United States. It really goes

737
01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:29.840
to show how small the world has
become with technology. It's just amazing how

738
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:33.039
everything was I hate to use the
term, but everything was in lockstep during

739
01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:40.079
COVID, and you know it seems
like everybody at the top is all connected.

740
01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:44.960
Yeah, it is, it really
is. Well, thank you so

741
01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:49.079
much for joining us. Congratulations on
the twins, and God bless you and

742
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:51.920
and your wonderful family. And thanks
for taking the time out to join us

743
01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:57.239
today. Thank you and thank you
for the work you're doing. This was

744
01:06:57.280 --> 01:07:00.559
a pleasure. Well. God bless
and thank you to all the listeners who

745
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:04.360
continue to support the program. Again, it's the Flatterthfiles dot com. Email

746
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:09.320
us at the Flatterthfiles at gmail dot
com. God bless everyone. Have a

747
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:12.960
great week and until we meet again, my friends, we will see you.

748
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:23.880
I know it's been a struggle.
I know you've had Spain. I

749
01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:31.400
know you feel tied hell down all
the way. Yeah, I know you

750
01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:42.760
feeling you smile ain't the same.
I saw where to go from here.

751
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:50.480
I feel like you've lost your way. Don't give up. No, don't

752
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:58.039
give in. Never is home.
Don't make all the primise. It ain't

753
01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:03.239
done yet he's got a add Why
it's a right, got up? Gave

754
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:20.640
me come? Why right, God
record, I can see the straight beside

755
01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:29.319
you. Child's are putting up the
five. Oh you're stronger than anything.

756
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:36.119
You are. Yeah, you're gonna
be all right. You're accepting a dead

757
01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:45.039
found you beautiful. You're shoving bride. Yeah, you're live and breathe,

758
01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:54.880
moveing, you can hold your head
a pie. Don't give up, No,

759
01:08:55.119 --> 01:09:00.760
don't give it. Nevertheless, home, don't they go on the armis

760
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:08.159
it ain't Donion's god or clay?
Why some waintail? The God of me

761
01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:14.079
come, don't give up, No, don't give in. You never lose

762
01:09:14.199 --> 01:09:19.000
home. Don't let call the primise. It ain't dounfe It's worth living?

763
01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:30.279
What a way town? The god
of baby call, why surprise now?

764
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:45.319
Conv Oh yes, what surprise now? The god tam come. Oh yeah

765
01:09:45.560 --> 01:10:00.880
you gottle team call, Oh,
don't no, don't give and whatever the

766
01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:08.199
soul do They goal of the primise
man and done. Ye's got a playing

767
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:16.640
wats God of it calls and don't
give it no dog giving, But never

768
01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:23.319
the soul do the goal of the
primes get at done. Love is worth

769
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:34.880
living. What's done, god of
any Coors, Oh, the god of

770
01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:51.920
need Cos. Why's he done?
The God of any case. You're listening

771
01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:59.199
to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.
Just the facts, ma'am.

