WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:55.240 The following is a presentation of Playfly Sports Properties in Michigan State Sports Properties. 2 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:03.920 Well, hellow and pleasant, good evening to you. It is Thursday, 3 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.599 April sixth I'm your host, Jason straight On along with my co host, 4 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:15.239 Say you choot, you call chrit Otis. It's down in Jamonji Land and 5 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:18.359 Disney on assignment. He just tried to get in, but it was a 6 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:22.159 little loud. I mean, we saw princesses, we saw Castle's right show 7 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:26.040 now on the way to see Pinocchio. Yeah, on his way to see 8 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:29.439 Pinocchio. So we're gonna leave that out of here. Thank you for watching 9 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:33.359 the show live. We've got a special guest everybody wants to hear from. 10 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:37.959 But you know, don't forget to quick subscribe and like buttons on YouTube, 11 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:42.400 enter the chat, ask questions, we'll answer live. Ask something for ike. 12 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:44.319 If you got something, you know, it's gonna be on here. 13 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:47.760 But don't forget to follow us on social media platforms, and this is how 14 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:53.599 to do that. Thanks for tuning in to This is Sparta MSU. Interested 15 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:57.480 in hearing more from us, be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter, 16 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:01.319 Instagram and even TikTok. Click on the link in the bio to head 17 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:05.799 to our link tree for more information. Help us grow our following by hitting 18 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:08.479 the like and subscribe buttons. Tell your friends and family to do the same. 19 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:12.919 Have an idea for a future episode, let us know in the comments 20 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:19.240 section below. And now back to the show. Chun chuned. You know 21 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:24.400 what today is? What is today? It's not our anniversary? It is 22 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:30.800 National Student Athlete Day to day. Happy, Happy National Student Aclee Day. 23 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:38.080 There you go, very nice, great day to commensurate these athletes who put 24 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:42.680 it all out there on the line. You know, coming into a school, 25 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:46.560 you have the load of you know, the academics and the athletics. 26 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:52.400 As John l would say, you're a student first, an athlete second. 27 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:54.439 As you put up the number two then the number one. So it was 28 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:59.599 a little backwards there for them. I know that's what you would say. 29 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:02.599 I know. Up for those who aren't visually, get on on YouTube and 30 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:07.840 you'll see what Jag was doing. But just for those what that's that's it 31 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:13.159 athletes first? Student first, student student student first, that's it, athlete 32 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:19.240 second. Od As wildly says, my guys, have a good show tonight. 33 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.960 He jumped on, We'll do the best that we can. Hello, 34 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:29.080 pancakes, what's up? Everybody? Landa yes, like and share drop those 35 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.199 stacks. We love it. We love it man, Hey and shoot you 36 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:37.039 couple Like this past weekend you were at a celebrity bowling event with none of 37 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:38.840 them than Drew Stanton talk a little bit about that. Yeah, you know, 38 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:43.439 Drew came on and he talked about his bowling event there for the Special 39 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.280 Olympics, and uh, you know, it was a great event. A 40 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:50.319 bunch of former guys came out there, even you know for Lions fans, 41 00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:54.879 Calvin Johnson, AK Megatron, he had appearance there. It was a good 42 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:59.000 cause. You know, it was really cool to run into some uh you 43 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:03.120 know, former teammate of mine and uh, you know, and see exactly 44 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:09.039 where all the the the funds and everything goes to. Is these uh, 45 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:13.479 these kids you know for Special Olympics and everything like that. They were there 46 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:15.920 and some of these kids could bowl, you know, these they could bowl. 47 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:18.839 So it was really it was really cool and it was a good, 48 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:24.720 good experience. If you have an opportunity to sign up next year, uh, 49 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:28.199 definitely do that. My team did come in second place, uh, 50 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:31.959 the winning team, uh you know, Greg Jones's team was the winning team, 51 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:34.480 and he had a ringer on there who's bowled a couple of three hundred 52 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:39.680 games in his day. So oh so so, so we were talking about 53 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:43.319 there was some like setting the deck action going on there by Greg Jones. 54 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:46.439 Who else was there? I saw Greg and the pictures Dougie Fresh saw that. 55 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:53.040 Yeah, Greg Jones was there. Keith Nickel, Uh, it's escaping. 56 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:57.519 Can you pull a picture back up there, Pete Yeah, Richard Bryce 57 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:02.560 Ross Weaver, Yeah, so uh there's Greg Jones. Yeah. A good 58 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:04.759 time, man. You know, everyone came. You know, there was 59 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:09.600 good food, good drinks. Drinks were flowing. Let me, man, 60 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:13.160 you called from there and I heard a lot of heaves. A jolly good 61 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:20.240 fella. I mean, it was going on in there. Tony G's checking 62 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:24.879 it from the sky over Omaha, Nebraska. Pick up some steak for us, 63 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:27.920 Hey, Tony G. On the side. Well, we got a 64 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:30.519 little thing crad but we got a lot of content. You know, we're 65 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:33.839 gonna talk about that in the second, you know, But let's promote this, 66 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:40.040 guys. We're having our first ms U. This is Sparta MSU, 67 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:45.199 that is Subscriber Special Event. It's gonna be at the field House in east 68 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:48.560 Land, seen right after the spring game April fifteenth, that five pm you're 69 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:53.600 gonna have We're gonna just tell you right now, Jacoby WindMan, Cal Halliday 70 00:05:54.199 --> 00:06:00.920 and King Kong Kean Coleman will all be in a so we got a receiver 71 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:08.519 that's just dynamite in two special linebackers. Guys, uh choo. This is 72 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:12.439 gonna be a special event and you're gonna be in rare form right. Absolutely, 73 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:15.040 it's gonna be great. I can't wait for this event here. You 74 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:17.279 know, the big the best thing about this event that I can't wait for 75 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:21.079 is just to hang out with everybody, all the people that gather on Tuesdays 76 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:25.600 and Thursdays to make this show what it is. You know, have the 77 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:29.680 opportunity to come there, kick back, have a have a bevy or two 78 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:31.800 or three or four, and you know, just you know, have a 79 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:36.680 good time. That's right. Always drink responsibly. As Steve Smith just said, 80 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:42.120 make sure you're a subscribed. That's easy to do because this what's gonna 81 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:44.560 happen. You're gonna come to the field House. You're gonna see chootch you. 82 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:46.639 He's gonna be right at the door. Check in phone. So you 83 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:50.439 got yourself and everybody's got one of these. Everybody's got YouTube on their phone. 84 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:53.360 He'll teach you how to do it. It's not that hard. He'll 85 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:55.680 help you out. Doesn't cost you a thing, that helps us out a 86 00:06:55.720 --> 00:07:00.399 whole lot. Shoot you, that's your job. We didn't talk about this, 87 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.480 but we've just decided as a group of the scenes that you're the man 88 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:09.600 for the job. Absolutely, it'll be fun. You're gonna wear that pink 89 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:15.480 Paisley jacket. That's the well what vultu you wear? That's the other thing. 90 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:18.360 Man, What you think you have to show up to be to see? 91 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:21.279 You got to show up to see. Well, look, we're gonna 92 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:25.680 get to our special guests. After this message from our friends over an eye 93 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:36.399 hop introducing iye Hops New Eggs Benedicks. When you take a poached egg added 94 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:42.560 to a crispy English muffin, fire roasted poblano peppers, and shredded beef with 95 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:46.519 our rich and buttery Hollandaise sauce, you don't just get our handcrafted new Eggs 96 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:53.040 Benedicts on your plate, you get a smile on your plate. New Eggs 97 00:07:53.079 --> 00:08:01.160 Benedicts in four delicious flavors on me for my hop So you have been to 98 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:09.920 Ohio? To Ohio? Have I been higher? Yeah? The Ohio trying 99 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:11.920 to stay out of Ohio? You trying to stay away from it? Yeah, 100 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:16.360 since No, I haven't been. I've been since only like when we 101 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:20.920 played the Bengals. You know, that's it in and out and you know, 102 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:28.680 man, look we got like this. This is the reason Spartan Dog 103 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:37.120 through and Through. I Reech joins the show. We were talking bad about 104 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:43.879 the oh and Cincinnati, man, because you know, I wasn't gonna say, 105 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.840 you know, Ohio is like that, like like the arm pit of 106 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:54.720 America. Well's the thing. Cincinnati and Michigan State has had a great relationship, 107 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:58.879 right right, We've had a relationship, and so obviously there are plenty 108 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:03.399 of players that have come out of Cincinnati that they went on to Michigan State 109 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:09.000 to do some great things. And quite frankly, if you're talking about football 110 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:13.200 in the Midwest, it's Ohio football that's the best. Come on man that 111 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:22.000 wait, come on, Ohio, come on, Ohio players are better than 112 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:26.200 Michigan players. Illinois jumps in Indiana, I mean we got a few, 113 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:31.559 we got a hoopless we got a basketball man. That's that's all. It's 114 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.840 all. I mean, you know, he claims that Western New York though, 115 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:41.720 so it's a whole different and Western New York. Western New York can't 116 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:46.799 actually claim anything like really you can't wait. The only true, the only 117 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.440 true NFL team in the state of New York, the Buffalo Bills. I 118 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:58.279 want to argue about that. Those other two teams are in Jersey. You're 119 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:03.679 right, exactly, She's right about that. So I talk about today is 120 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:09.159 going back to Cincinnati when you were at ak And High and who recruited you 121 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:11.519 to Michigan State. I know you have a couple of schools you were looking 122 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:16.360 at. So like the man, I gotta tell you, well, Kick 123 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:24.279 Waldeo was my was my recruiting guy out of Cincinnati, and I had met 124 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:31.399 Kip. It's funny because Kip coached my older brother when Kip was in Cincinnati 125 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:37.600 coaching at Hughes High School before he went on and coached at Western Hills where 126 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:43.039 and here's the ironic part about that, God blessed her dead and rest our 127 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:50.240 brother to the Rob Charell's who was at Western Hills. He's also from Cincinnati 128 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:56.919 and he was He was part of the ninety two class that came to Michigan 129 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:05.399 State, but we played in the same conference, and Kip was actually down 130 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:13.879 there to check up on some other Western Hills players. They just happened to 131 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:18.120 be playing us and tuta Up was the quarterback of that team. And I 132 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:22.080 happened to have a good game that game, and that's how he sought me. 133 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:28.120 So that's how I actually got recruited. He wasn't even there to see 134 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.879 me. He was there to see tuta Up and I think like three or 135 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.120 four other players. Western Hills was a pretty good school at that time out 136 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:39.480 of Cincinnati Football, And like I said, I just happened to have a 137 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.440 good game that game, and that's how he noticed me, and that's how 138 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:50.240 I got on the radar for Michigan State. Was playing against arguably one of 139 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:54.039 the best teams in the city at that time, and by the way, 140 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:58.159 they beat the snot out of us. But I played well that game and 141 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:09.840 that's how I got No, that's all that. So, you know, 142 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:13.240 so you're getting recruited there, and so what was that transition? You know, 143 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:16.480 what made you what was the decision what drew you to Michigan State? 144 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.480 And what was it like when you first came to Michigan State. Was it 145 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:24.039 a culture shock? Was it? You know? What? Was it? 146 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:26.559 Hey too? It was all of that. So so here's the funny thing, 147 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:33.320 right, I played one year in high school of football. Oh and 148 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:39.159 that's and that's only because the football coach was also my gym teacher, Mike 149 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:45.360 Brown. He needed more guys to come out for the team, and I 150 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:48.399 was playing basketball in high school at that time. I know, we all 151 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:54.279 had my hoop dreams at that time. And it's funny. He came to 152 00:12:54.320 --> 00:13:00.600 me after the season and he was like, listen, man, I know 153 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:05.320 you love basketball, but if you want to play athletics at the high school, 154 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:11.279 basketball ain't gonna get it done. Funny man, Right, So that 155 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:13.679 was this way. I kind of tried to tell me that I ain't as 156 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:16.679 good as I think. I yelled me, I mean as a basketball player, 157 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:20.360 and he's like, son, you got a brighter future if you give 158 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.559 this a shot versus playing that. So I go out for the football team 159 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:30.840 obviously as I'm a raw athlete. I'm just a raw athlete playing football, 160 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:35.159 and they do the best they can with me. And so I didn't get 161 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:41.039 recruited by very many schools, so I think the only schools I got offered 162 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:48.279 from was Michigan State, University of Cincinnati, University of Illinois, and Ball 163 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:54.960 State University. So a lot of people don't realize. Also fellas I didn't 164 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:58.720 play my senior year in high school, so that was my junior year that 165 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.559 played. So, yeah, I only played one year of high school football. 166 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:07.360 I played one year of high school football my junior year. Yeah, 167 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.159 and you skipped it, skipped the senior season. Well, I wouldn't necessarily 168 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:22.960 say I skipped it. You were told it certainly wasn't about choice. So 169 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:28.600 so long story short, right, I dropped out of high school in the 170 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:33.679 tenth grade. Okay, so I dropped out of high school in the tenth 171 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:37.720 grade. I was at a different school, and so I transferred from the 172 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:43.200 school that I was at to to ache And High School, the school I 173 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:50.480 wound up going to and graduating from, because a little league basketball coach that 174 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:56.759 that had had remembered me from our days of playing in little league basketball wanted 175 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:01.120 me to come over to ach And High School to be part of their basketball 176 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:05.720 program. But I lived on the other side of town, so I really 177 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:11.320 wasn't in that school district. So forget about the point I dropped out of 178 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:13.559 high school. We don't need to go deep into that point. I was, 179 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:20.120 I was, I was in the other stuff at that time, all 180 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.399 the working progress, right right right. This is good though, This is 181 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:30.080 a message a lot of people who are going through the similar similar So when 182 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:33.320 it got me over there, it was the best place for me. It 183 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.759 was structure, It was a structural environment. It was something that I gravitated 184 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:41.120 to. But because of the basketball team I gravitated to him. We were 185 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:46.679 a pretty good basketball team in the city and in the state, and so 186 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:52.360 football really I only played because again the gym teacher who was the high school 187 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:58.399 football coach is Don Mike Brown, persuaded me to come out to play. 188 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:03.960 So I wasn't necessarily a highly recruited football player out of high school, and 189 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:10.799 the schools that were interested in me once I was ineligible to play my senior 190 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:14.120 year, not because of grades, but for the simple fact it was my 191 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:19.559 fifth year in high school, so that made me ineligible. Even though I 192 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:26.399 hadn't necessarily participated in sports all throughout high school, I'd only participating in sports 193 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:30.960 for two years and so long story short, I was ruled in eligible. 194 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:36.879 A lot of the attention that I was getting sort of dried up, and 195 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:42.600 Michigan State stuck with me. Like Michigan State stuck with me. They understood 196 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:51.000 the circumstances I was in and they thought enough of me and my potential to 197 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.720 say, you know what, we still want to offer this kid a full 198 00:16:53.759 --> 00:17:00.320 scholarship. And when I took to visit to Michigan State, here's the funny 199 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:06.319 thing. I had visits set up to Cincinnati and Illinois after Michigan State. 200 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:11.000 I took the visit to Missigan State, and I loved it so much. 201 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:15.240 The first night I was there, I committed. The next day. I 202 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:21.599 committed that Saturday. Yeah, I committed that Saturday. I mean, you 203 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:30.920 gotta realize I'm coming from the hood in Cincinnati and the very fact that and 204 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:33.480 you guys know what I'm talking about. When I said, the very fact 205 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:40.759 that I was getting a steak baked potato, it seems suit oh, I 206 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:47.480 had listen. I said I better commit before they find out I can't play 207 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:53.960 football, and they didn't even realize. I was more or less like there, 208 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:57.480 let me sign on the dotted mind today before y'all changed your mind. 209 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:03.200 For anybody changes their mind, letting you know it and commit right now. 210 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:11.839 And obviously the players and I didn't know it at the time. I didn't 211 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:17.960 know it at the time. I kind of realized that afterwards once I got 212 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:22.079 to Michigan State and became a student and a player there. But it was 213 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:26.039 it was the perfect atmosphere for me. It was what it was the thing 214 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:32.519 that felt most like home to me. It felt like home. So all 215 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:37.680 of my old heads, the Wan Hammons, the Myron Bell, Ricardo Jackson, 216 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:42.400 Bryce Abrams, all these guys. Jan Hammon's who was my host, 217 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:48.160 like all these guys, they showed me so much love. I was like, 218 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:52.079 oh, this is the place I have to be. This is where 219 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:55.799 I have to be. And it's the Big Ten. I'm from the Midwest. 220 00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:59.400 Big Ten football is what it's all about. And I was like, 221 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:03.599 man, you know what, before they changed their mind or anything, I'm 222 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:11.200 like, dude, I'm here. I'm here, I said, we'll figure 223 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:18.440 it out later. I'm like, but I'm in right now. So you 224 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:21.599 know, one of the big things that you know, because you just played 225 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:23.960 football one year in high school, I played, you know, I didn't 226 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:27.720 start playing football. Tell like my freshman year, but I didn't know anything. 227 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:32.640 You talk about raw talent and everything like that, I didn't know anything. 228 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:34.640 I was. I was raw talent. I was just you know, 229 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:37.680 get ball, run, score, touch, That's it. I didn't know 230 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.400 the game of football, didn't know how to leave the defense I went to 231 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:45.559 when I first came to Michigan State, We're in the running backs room and 232 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:48.400 the coach said, hey, where's the mic? And I was like, 233 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:56.480 you know how you have to identify the mic other room? How was that 234 00:19:56.599 --> 00:20:02.480 adjustment with learning the game for you? Right? And I was the same 235 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:08.640 way And to to straight tell you you you remember old you remember Reggie? 236 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:17.799 Come on, Reggie basically taught me today of football. So, and we 237 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:22.640 were in the same recruiting class and he was starting as a middle linebacker as 238 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:27.519 a freshman. So I red shirted and and so I would I didn't get 239 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:33.279 to travel when they had road games, so I used to have to I 240 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:40.799 used to have to have him explain to me what he was doing, what 241 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:45.519 was the responsibilities of the linebackers in the defense back in our dorm rooms. 242 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:49.720 So so we would we would record the games and he would have had to 243 00:20:49.759 --> 00:20:55.480 go over film study with me just so I can understand it. So because 244 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:59.359 I was afraid to ask questions in the media room, right because I didn't 245 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:03.440 want anybody to know that I didn't know what I was doing. Did he 246 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:06.759 did he talk to you in different terms so that you can understand it differently, 247 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:10.680 because sometimes oh yeah, oh yeah, he couldn't use football term and 248 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:15.759 I was with me it was like all that a gat d gat sea gas 249 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:19.920 stuff like that. I was like because in high school, on defense, 250 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:25.319 it was more or less see the football, go getting when they hype the 251 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:30.200 ball, get whoever has the ball, go get him. And quite frankly, 252 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:33.839 I had drinks and being a wide receiver, that's what I really wanted 253 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:36.920 to be, you know, I thought I could be a wide receiver. 254 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:42.559 You know, I'm like, I'm like, dude, I want to score 255 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:48.480 touchdowns. I don't I don't want yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, 256 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:52.480 until I realized when I got when I got up to Michigan State, 257 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.720 and I realized it's a different level of speed playing wide receiver in the Big 258 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:02.119 Ten than it is in high school in Cincinnati. So yeah, my dreams, 259 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:04.960 my dreams are being my dreams of being a wide receiver quickly died. 260 00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:08.759 Don't don't let people don't try to let thank full of you guys. I 261 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:11.279 mean, Ike was one of the best athletes I ever saying. You and 262 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:17.400 Niji go hey, man, y'all used to run out of your bodies. 263 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:22.519 Man, I mean the conditioning of these kids have no idea what you They 264 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:25.960 used to put us through it y'all, you got the way you guys handle 265 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:29.240 that. But like talk about what you brought up with with with Perlis, 266 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:33.200 I mean, he took a chance on you. You barely had any film, 267 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:36.559 right, you have a lot of you know, pedigree in that world, 268 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:38.880 but he took a chance on you. Then, you know, look 269 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:42.599 looking at how compared to how it is today where guys have to win right 270 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:48.720 now, they don't take a chance on a Nike Reaes in Cincinnati today as 271 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:52.119 they would. So talk a little bit about that. The difference what you 272 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:56.200 see from what you came out in versus today and the pressures that the coaches 273 00:22:56.240 --> 00:23:00.599 have. Yeah, it's it's so much different. And I thank god I 274 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:06.079 did come along at the time that I came, because I don't know if 275 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:10.519 I would have been given the opportunity that Michigan State, and George Perlis gave 276 00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:14.559 me and I'm glad you brought up GP because I would eventually got to coach 277 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:25.759 God rest his soul as well man, if not for him and his his 278 00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:33.920 his ability to open his arms to guys that a lot of universities wouldn't touch 279 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:37.599 if they come from the same background that some of us came from. We 280 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:41.559 talk about being a spartan dog and what it means and all those things, 281 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:45.400 and I know that has evolved and changed the meaning behind it, but the 282 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:52.559 core of it is is still there. And a lot of it is You're 283 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:56.799 You're You're You're one of those people that people didn't believe in, but you're 284 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:03.160 a fighter and you've overcome certain obstacles and adversities in your life. And George 285 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:08.759 Perlis had an affinity for those type of kids, and he saw he saw 286 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:15.359 potential in kids who didn't see potential in themselves. He saw potential in those 287 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:22.799 kids that maybe didn't come from a pristine background and had some character flaws or 288 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:29.279 issues, but just really needed guidance, maybe some tough love, some structure, 289 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:33.599 things that you would get in two parent households that are in middle class 290 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:40.240 America versus dealing coming up in a single parent household in the inner city, 291 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:45.440 where you're surrounded by nothing but obstacles and adversities, where people try to pull 292 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:52.279 you down versus try to help you as sind in life. Like George Perlis 293 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:56.200 was able to find plenty of those diamonds in the rough, and I thank 294 00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:02.000 God that he saw that in me to to recruit me, not only recruit 295 00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:06.640 me, but to stick with me, knowing that I didn't have necessarily the 296 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:11.720 extensive background and football that most recruits have, because he saw something in me 297 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:15.759 that I didn't see in myself or believe in myself. I was more or 298 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:19.880 less looking at getting going to Michigan State as an opportunity to get out of 299 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:26.000 the circumstances I was in. I had no idea of the other avenues and 300 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:30.960 opportunities that could be there and afforded to me. By having an opportunity to 301 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:34.319 go to a university like Michigan State, not only go to a university like 302 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:41.640 Michigan State, but not have necessarily the financial burdens that most students have when 303 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:45.079 they attending college. I didn't have to worry about that, Like we didn't 304 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:51.640 have to worry about that, and I, man, it's when I think 305 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:56.599 about the people that was placed in my life to help me get to where 306 00:25:56.599 --> 00:26:02.200 I'm at, always start back into the get it and it starts with him 307 00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:06.000 because he was the head coach. And I don't care what coach recruits you 308 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:10.000 at that time if the head coach isn't on board and is willing to stick 309 00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:12.680 his neck out for you, because he could easily take that scholarship and give 310 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:17.599 it to some other kid if he wanted to. But they believed in me, 311 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:26.279 and I promise you that I never wanted to let him down or let 312 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:32.160 him down or have him regret giving me that opportunity. And that was always 313 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:38.200 a part of my driving force and the motivation to not want to fail and 314 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:44.799 succeed just so he and others that gave me that opportunity could be proud of 315 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:48.759 me. So yeah, I George Purlis I forever were always be in debt 316 00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:53.200 at to him, man. I mean, you know you touch on a 317 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:56.480 lot of points there, man, And you know when you look at you 318 00:26:56.519 --> 00:27:02.319 know what perlistus always talking out man, when when you're tough, you know, 319 00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:04.839 you look for tough guys. That's DNA like that he's looking for you 320 00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:07.920 one of those guys, because he said, if you're tough, you can 321 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.359 win. When you talked about overcoming different challenges, you know, based on 322 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.960 your circumstances, you know, one parent versus two parent, households and all 323 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:19.559 those things you said, you you we talked about this before you got on 324 00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:22.359 the show. Like if you know, a lot of times when you look 325 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:26.559 at today's players and you go back in era, you know, a different 326 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:32.720 time. You know times throughout the history of the game, they may or 327 00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:36.599 may not fit in those different eras. So you know, looking at the 328 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:41.039 linebacker position, basically linebackers when you and I played some of them, was 329 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:45.000 you know, six four, six five, two hundred and sixty pounds coming 330 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:48.039 down hill, you know what I mean, Like that guy doesn't exist today, 331 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:51.559 right, not that linebacker. I mean he got his head in a 332 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:55.240 dirt if he does anything right. Yeah, but you are one of those 333 00:27:55.319 --> 00:28:00.160 rare guys that could go through almost any era and still be effective at some 334 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:03.960 football player because of your toughness and the way you carried you know, you 335 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:07.079 wore your emotions your sleeve. Was what all the football players gravitated towards in 336 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:11.799 the locker room. But you know when you moved from Perlis over to Nick 337 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:17.920 Saban, he comes in. You know, what is that like for you? 338 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:21.279 You know, being the defense of guru and the probably arguably the all 339 00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:25.319 time greatest coach of all time in college football history. Like, what was 340 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:33.759 that like for you? It was a It was a eye open experience for 341 00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:38.119 somebody to have the knowledge of the game that he has and coaches with, 342 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:44.079 the passion that he coaches with, and what he demands out of his players. 343 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:48.440 You know, you go from thinking you got it all figured out as 344 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.000 a player, as a young player, and then you realize you don't know 345 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:56.960 anything, right, So I read I read shirted my first year and then 346 00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:00.519 you know my first year plan, which I believe would have been your freshman 347 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:04.119 year straight in ninety four. Yeah, you know, I led the team 348 00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:08.400 in tackles as a freshman, as a ZOS freshman, roll over a team 349 00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:11.079 in tackles. I think I was second, I mean or a tied for 350 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:15.480 second or first in sacks and tackles for losses, things of that nature. 351 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:23.319 But coach Perlis wind up getting fired and Nick Saban came in and playing under 352 00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:27.839 Hank Butler, shout out to the great defensive coach Hank Butlert, who was 353 00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:33.200 our defensive coordinator in ninety four. He used me a different way to what 354 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.039 coach Saban did. So to get to your your question, I had to 355 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:42.480 sort of learn how to play football all over again. So I had a 356 00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:48.559 coach, I had a coaching staff prior to him that allowed me to just 357 00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:52.160 go out there and be an athlete. Go be yourself. We're not going 358 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:56.960 to try to confuse you or bog you down with a bunch of different assignments 359 00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:00.200 and responsibilities. We want you to just go attack the football and let your 360 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:04.880 athleticism take over. Nick Saban wasn't having that. Like like Nick wasn't having 361 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:11.920 that, he didn't recruit me, so I had to basically earn his respect. 362 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:18.480 And because he was such a tactician when it came to defense, I 363 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.519 don't care how good I felt I may have done and practice for in the 364 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.920 game, Like coach was gonna let you know that wasn't good enough, That 365 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:36.079 ain't good enough, and I'm putting it mild me like exactly that ain't good 366 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:41.079 enough. I'll tell you what goes straight. And you know this, what 367 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:47.599 it did is It forced me to not be complacent. And so when I 368 00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:51.160 so, just when you think you've worked hard enough, you think you've done 369 00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:56.720 enough and you can't do it anymore, challenge yourself. I guarantee you you 370 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.920 can do more. I guarantee you can do better. And that's really what 371 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:08.920 the message he was trying to push. But when when you're young, Yeah, 372 00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:14.960 I didn't really come to this conclusion. It too years later. I 373 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.440 was already in the NFL by the time I came to that, But it 374 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.720 makes you, It makes you think back on it and you're like, Okay, 375 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:25.680 that's why he wanted me to do that. Yes, he wanted me 376 00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:30.799 to do that. So yeah, I treasure man straight, can you like 377 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:36.519 we can honestly say like we playing Yeah for the greatest coach in college football 378 00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:41.680 history, there's no question. Yeah, yeah, I say arguably just for 379 00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:53.319 I'm waiting on that person, one person. So coming from that, coming 380 00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:56.599 to Michigan State, going through coach Perlis, and I thought, you know, 381 00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:01.200 the one thing I love about know listening to you guys talk about like 382 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:05.599 everybody you have people that like, man, you know, I didn't like 383 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:09.359 this coach or people like coach I haven't heard anybody that played for Pearlists that 384 00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:16.960 didn't like him. That's a good you know, coming in there and seeing 385 00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:21.400 you know, how people work, like going to these events. And he 386 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.480 was there like guys that played years in the league like you. He said, 387 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:27.359 Hey, coach you good. You want to get your drink? You 388 00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:30.960 want to do that? Like that's just like I And for me as a 389 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:35.119 as a you know, younger spartan dog, you know, just looking at 390 00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.200 that. For you guys, it's like, wow, this guy, this 391 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.200 is like something that's really cool. And you know, it's like you never 392 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:44.640 really see anybody because some people have you know, this hit or missed with 393 00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.000 their coaches. Sure, and then you all the Saints and you know, 394 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:59.039 like you know, like who drives all those things? But you know, 395 00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.480 so coming from you know, high school, playing a year of football coming 396 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:06.720 in, when did you know, like, man, you know football could 397 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:08.839 get me I could play at the next level, like I can't, I 398 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:15.480 do have a shot? When was that moment for you? You know what 399 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:22.039 it's it's uh, you know Coach ps he was our defensive coordinator under coach 400 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:27.039 Saban and I remember Coach p talking to me my junior year and by the 401 00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.559 way man coach peace man you're talking about you know when you have like you 402 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:37.680 got the good cop bad cop. Yeah, like like Ni Nick didn't care 403 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:43.240 about being a bad cop. Coach didn't care about being Yeah, you'd better 404 00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:49.240 hope your position. Coach wanted to be the good cop. So coach ps. 405 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.119 He was our defensive coordinator and he was like the good cop. So 406 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:59.519 he's the one who told me my junior year because I asked him, I 407 00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.599 flat out action, you know, did he think I was good enough to 408 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:06.960 play at the next level? And you know, he was honest with me. 409 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:08.599 He told me the things you need to work on. You know, 410 00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:13.679 your size is always going to be an issue for people, but your toughness 411 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:17.599 will always be something you can rely on. Your toughness and your steed. 412 00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:21.960 Your athleticism be something you'll be able to rely on, and your knowledge. 413 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:27.599 But people will always wonder is he big enough to play linebacker or is he 414 00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:32.679 big enough to hold up playing that position. And so he's the one who 415 00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:37.400 really got me to believe I could play at the next level. He really 416 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.760 did. And that was my junior year. So it was after my junior 417 00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:49.280 year when I was thinking about coming out early. That's a let I'll tell 418 00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:54.239 you. Cole Satan found out I was thinking about coming out early. He 419 00:34:54.400 --> 00:35:00.079 wasn't. He wasn't happy about the way he found out about it, because 420 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:07.239 I actually thought you and and and you guys know former Spartan dog I madle 421 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:13.599 Man Griffin of course. Yeah. Yeah. So I was doing a radio 422 00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:20.360 show, radio show in Detroit back then, and he he I still never 423 00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:22.800 get this. He brought me on and we were talking about, you know, 424 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:27.480 just mischi say something, and it was off the record with he and 425 00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:34.239 oh when I was like, you know what, man, I'm actually thinking 426 00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:38.760 about coming out man, And he went over radio and said that, oh 427 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:44.280 my goodness, and he asked co Saving about it. Oh yeah, Cose 428 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:47.480 Savan felt like he got blind sided and didn't know how to answer the question. 429 00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:51.519 Well, you know, I got soon as you walking there, as 430 00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:59.280 soon as I walked in that building, I'm like, I don't even know 431 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:05.519 what he wants though, Like what's up? I'm saying, oh my god, 432 00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:10.159 oh my god. Of course, of course he yelled at me or 433 00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:14.119 nothing. I was like, I don't know what he talking about. I 434 00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:22.719 didn't say that coming man, hold on. So I forgot the question you 435 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:29.599 asked me, you're talking about like Bean Peace. Yeah, like what the 436 00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:32.559 moment that you knew you were gonna yeah, oh yeah, so so definitely 437 00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:37.039 with that. But then back to coach Purlise. So here's what coach Purlis 438 00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:45.039 told me prior to the draft. When I came out, he said, 439 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.760 he said, listen, because I asked him what he thought about me playing 440 00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.639 at the next level. He said, listen, you're gonna get drafted. 441 00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:57.599 I don't know where you get drafted. It'll probably be in the middle of 442 00:36:57.599 --> 00:36:59.880 the leg rounds. But you get drafted, he said, but you'll be 443 00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:07.119 a guy that will always have to prove that you belong. In other words, 444 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.440 even if get drafted, you can't relax as if you made it. 445 00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.840 You have to. You're gonna have to be a guy who proves himself every 446 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:22.519 year, and it's probably gonna be in a special teams sort of role player 447 00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:28.199 type of a situation for you. That's the one thing about coach Perlis. 448 00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:30.480 He kept it straight with you, and he told you what he thought. 449 00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:35.199 And I was happy that he told me that, not because I wanted to 450 00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:37.880 come in the league as a backup player or I conditioned myself being a special 451 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:45.519 teams player. But because when that reality became a reality, I was better 452 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:51.840 quick to handle it as opposed as opposed to feeling like I'm being disrespected, 453 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.480 I'm being undervalued, and this and that and the other. And that's how 454 00:37:55.480 --> 00:38:02.440 I was able to turn my career into an nine year career, because because 455 00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:08.639 I was able to at least find a niche in a role that I can 456 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:14.159 feel and be the best at it, and that allowed me to be one 457 00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:19.039 of the best during the time that I played at doing what my specialty was 458 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.559 in the league, which was being a backup player and a special teams player, 459 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.519 which helped me get to a Pro Bowl at least one. I should 460 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:31.000 have been to three, but I got to one and you got you got 461 00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:37.840 there when the Pro Bowl was fun and who knows now, But having that 462 00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:44.360 perspective of you know what, nothing's gonna be given to you, you have 463 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:49.960 to work for it. It allowed me to come in and have a longer 464 00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.519 career than a lot of my peers that I came out with. They didn't 465 00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:57.400 have the right mentality. Oh it makes all the difference, you know when 466 00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:00.360 you think about that, because you said that that you know you're gonna have 467 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.840 to work for you that prepared you, because there's guys that you know, 468 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:10.159 dogs that have a different mentality and went to the into the league, and 469 00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:15.199 you know, if you're not humble and understand, like, look, this 470 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:20.800 is your role fitted similar to what you've seen with Draymond, Right, Draymond 471 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.760 is a guy who was that in the perfect excel at that. He's excelled 472 00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:30.800 at that role, right, you know, but because of the role exactly, 473 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:34.760 he's not at all what he was in Michigan State as a player. 474 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.480 But you know, you remember DPS. You brought him up. I remember 475 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.599 when you guys when we come in at halftime and you know, we split 476 00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:45.159 up offense defense after everybody's done, you know, doing the getting the fluids 477 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:50.760 and shoulder pads off and all that. I couldn't tell who was who that 478 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:57.280 was. The cussing between saving in Peace was so like on point, like 479 00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.840 the succinct. It was hard for us to decipher like who was yelling who 480 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:05.880 that was over there because it was usually Curtains but Peace man just retired, 481 00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:10.480 right, just retired man? Just now great, check this out? Checked 482 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:15.480 us out straight and uh Jayu, not even a line. Uh Now this 483 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:22.599 is after the first time he retired, So Mike Rabele brought him out of 484 00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:27.039 retirement. I believe. So the first time he retired a couple of years 485 00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:31.280 ago, he called me, called me to say thank you for being one 486 00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:36.679 of So I was so honored to be one of the players that he felt, 487 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.920 wow, obligated to call when he was retiring. Like he's coached so 488 00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:45.639 many players throughout his coaching career and throughout his time. You know, that 489 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:52.360 time in Michigan State meant something to him. And I was honored that I 490 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.440 was a guy that he called uh to say thank you, to thank you 491 00:40:55.480 --> 00:41:00.519 for being a player for him. And Man, we talked for like thirty 492 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:05.000 minutes on the phone, and I was like, Man, I'm like, 493 00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:08.320 coach, dude, you you are you're You're You're the same way you were 494 00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:14.320 man when I was nineteen twenty years old back in Misschigan State all those years 495 00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:17.800 ago. And we've crossed paths a couple of times. As a matter of 496 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:22.760 fact, he was the defensive coordinator on the Patriots when they beat us in 497 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:32.440 Super Bowl thirty nine. Yeah, we talked before the game and everything. 498 00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:39.719 When they beat us. A question for you, you know, a kid 499 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:44.960 from Cincinnati, like you said, from you know, the inner city there. 500 00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:49.159 You come to Michigan State, you know, you you bust your butt, 501 00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.719 work your way there, and now you get that call. You're a 502 00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:54.599 fit. You're you know, get drafted, You're in the league. Yeah. 503 00:41:54.800 --> 00:42:00.880 Well it's the first big purchase, dude. I had to Lincoln Navigator 504 00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:05.800 about about the U in ninety eight, the Navigator, I think it just 505 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:10.880 came out. So so yeah, here's the funny thing. I was already 506 00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:14.920 ten grand in the hole. I mean by the time I got tracked. 507 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:24.159 Then hey, that's right, now, Manny I took I took out a 508 00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:29.880 line of credit with my agent, so he got the car. Now it's 509 00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:32.719 a whole legal this is after that. I my time, my eligibility was 510 00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:40.679 up in misiss state, exhausted. You could take out a loan from him 511 00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:45.960 as long as you agree or repay it. So he had Basically I took 512 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:50.000 out the loan with my agent, he got the car for me and then 513 00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:53.400 I So I was in the whole ten grand with him already before we even 514 00:42:53.440 --> 00:43:00.559 started. Yeah, before we even started, I was already the hole in 515 00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:05.400 the home. So so you go fifth round, I remember that ninety eight 516 00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:07.599 you got draft. I mean that was one of them times. I mean 517 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:12.239 we were all excited for you. You know, I wasn't a big pro 518 00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.320 football guy at that time, like knowing the fan bases like I do now, 519 00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:21.320 and I know the Philly fan base, and like how that city you 520 00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:25.239 know, I mean, come on, man, maybe Buffalo rivals then, 521 00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:30.960 but now I don't know, you know, like Philly is like everything that 522 00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:37.039 you know, the Buffalo Bills fans, right, okay, yeah, yeah, 523 00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.440 yeah, I give it. The Bill's mafia. Okay, yeah, 524 00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:44.440 yeah, they're serious now so much, just so much that you know, 525 00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:46.760 the Philly I'm gonna let you get back to there. But you guys had 526 00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:52.239 to go to Western New York, like you know, my hometown and get 527 00:43:52.320 --> 00:44:00.360 your coach, coach Siriani. A man here where you had to at your 528 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:06.480 coach from the head coach of the Buffalo Bills was with the Philadelphia Eve was 529 00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:14.199 when I played with you. Okay, staff up there, I know half 530 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:22.280 in Philadelphia, Okay, see you know I mean, I mean you see 531 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:24.039 folks, I mean you get a chance to see like players from two of 532 00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:28.639 the I mean I think those are the two top fan bases in the NFL. 533 00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:30.840 You know, there's there's there's the Cowboys and all that. No, 534 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:43.760 no, no, cut man. I've been. I've been just some of 535 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:49.880 them games and it's like criminal activity that's going. I'm like, hey, 536 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.679 man, it's just a game, you know, it's not you know, 537 00:44:53.199 --> 00:45:00.159 so like so like man, So you're in Philadelphia, which fits my like 538 00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:04.239 your you know, like who you are. It couldn't be. I couldn't 539 00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.320 landed in a better place. Straight. I couldn't have landed in a better 540 00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:12.639 place. And the crazy thing is, uh, when I first got here, 541 00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:15.800 it was it was not all that sweet. When you look at the 542 00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:21.599 football team. My rookie year, we were three and thirteen, worst record 543 00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:27.920 in franchise history, and our coach Ray Rhodes wound up getting fired after my 544 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:32.360 rookie year. And so obviously fans aren't gonna be happy with where the football 545 00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:37.039 team is at at that time. And it's a it's a it's a fan 546 00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:46.039 base that I think is often misunderstood. I think it's often terribly portrayed as 547 00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:50.719 to what type of fan base they are. Of Course, they are passionate. 548 00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.199 They loved their and they loved their sports teams. In this town. 549 00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:59.039 It's a it's not like for some for some cities, you know, the 550 00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:04.199 sports teams are an escape, a getaway, you know, sort of something 551 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:08.760 to do in some cities. In Philadelphia, these teams it's their lifeline. 552 00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:15.119 It's what's in their blood. And there's no other team that epitomizes that then 553 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:22.559 the Philadelphia Eagles for this fan these so they are very passionate, and I 554 00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:29.400 think if you played here you would It wouldn't take you long to come to 555 00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.239 appreciate it. I think when you when you hear about them from the outside, 556 00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:36.960 it seems like, oh man, that's gotta be the worst fan base 557 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:38.920 in the world. They bow their own players, they boo their own players, 558 00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:44.199 all this other stuff. Until you come here and play for them, 559 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:49.920 and you realize, yeah, when you don't play well, they're gonna let 560 00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:52.400 you know about it, by the way, as they should. They should 561 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:58.840 let you know about it. But when you do play well and you're winning, 562 00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:06.039 it's it's like it's it's a hundred times the amount of love that you're 563 00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:12.039 gonna be shown and given than the criticism when things aren't going well. And 564 00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:15.960 athletes today, quite frankly, you don't deserve a pad on the ass. 565 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:19.480 If things aren't going well, you aren't winning, if you aren't putting forth 566 00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:22.320 your best effort. You know, these people are hard working people. They 567 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:25.039 spend a lot of money to come to these games. They spend a lot 568 00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:30.199 of money on merchandise, and players need to care. If you're gonna play 569 00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:35.719 in this town, you had better care about winning and losing as much as 570 00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:38.719 these fans care about it, or you're not gonna last here. In other 571 00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:45.159 words, you better put forth the effort. And when the results aren't what 572 00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:49.079 we all hope they to be the last thing these fans want to hear. 573 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.559 Ah, it's just a game. We'll be all right, we'll get them 574 00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:54.519 tomorrow, this and that and the other. Nah, that's not gonna work 575 00:47:54.559 --> 00:48:00.559 here. And the sooner you figure that out, the better off you're gonna 576 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:04.920 be as an athlete in this town. And guess what, it ain't changing. 577 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.639 It ain't changing, brother, Yeah sir. The names on the back 578 00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:15.440 of the jersey change, but the fans don't change. Rather than fans, 579 00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:22.360 these are their teams and they're gonna be here when we're gone. So yeah, 580 00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:27.320 you're better listen. You better get adjusted versus trying to change their way 581 00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:31.519 of thinking, because that ain't happened. No, no, it ain't going 582 00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:36.800 down like that, man, Like thinking about the Eagles. You know this, 583 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.199 You got to a few super Bowls in your career, right, No 584 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.440 one super Bowl? You know what that says. That says we were in 585 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:47.239 a position to get to a few super Bowls and we didn't get there. 586 00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:52.239 That's what I say. Who, I'm gonna put you on the spot here, 587 00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:54.079 and you know you don't have to answer who cast who costs you that 588 00:48:54.079 --> 00:49:05.679 Super Bowl? Donovan or t O. I'm gonna tell you what cost us 589 00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:09.440 that Super Bowl? Not playing our best football that day. Like, when 590 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:13.480 you're in that game, man, and you're playing against Tom Brady and Bill 591 00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:19.400 Belichick, you can't have an off day and d win. So like that 592 00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:23.559 might have been our second worst game of the season. We lost to Pittsburgh 593 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:27.960 that year. I don't even think we showed up for that game early in 594 00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.239 the season that year, and then we lost to New England. To me, 595 00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:36.119 those are the only two real games we lost that year. We played 596 00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:38.800 terrible in both of those games. The other games out of that season we 597 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:43.519 played gradian. But in the Super Bowl, you can't play man, and 598 00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:49.119 and honestly, there was enough bad on the defense and the offense and cost 599 00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.559 us that game. I can't I can't put it on my teammates. Man, 600 00:49:53.679 --> 00:50:02.320 we all got to take that. I've been doing this too long, 601 00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:08.679 right right talking about that? So so because right you're in the uh listen, 602 00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:12.840 there's a question. He has to ask me, ask the question. 603 00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:17.159 It's so good you have to answer question when people say it was a savage 604 00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:22.320 question? Was who said that? Was that with lether that's a savage question? 605 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:27.400 Who were your Who was your favorite teammate in the pros? That's from 606 00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:35.000 Dougie Fresh my favorite teammates? Oh god, yes, I pleaded the fifth 607 00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.320 on that too. So I got I got way too many teammates that that 608 00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:44.880 I love. Man like it us your time three. I love like brothers. 609 00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:46.440 No, I'm not doing it. I'm not going because eventually this is 610 00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:52.239 listen, this clip will be out there somewhere. No way, you guys 611 00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:58.480 are getting me about teammates. So you don't hanged with everybody all the time. 612 00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:05.079 That's true, that's true. Who who mentored you in the pro Who's 613 00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:07.199 you know who helped your game? Okay, okay, now okay, now, 614 00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:10.360 okay, there we go. I can handle that. I can't handle 615 00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:15.119 that, right. So I came in. I was fortunate. I had 616 00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:23.320 two uh old heads that really took me under their wing and helped me understand 617 00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:29.480 what it meant to be a pro. Mike Caldwell, who's actually the defensive 618 00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:35.239 coordinator of the Jags right now. Uh he was my he was my old 619 00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:39.800 head when I came into the league. And then I had William Thomas who 620 00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:45.000 was the starting middle linebacker, I mean, started outside linebacker for the Eagles, 621 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:49.119 and I basically was his backup when I came into the league. So 622 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.960 those are the two players that kind of helped me adjust to being a pro. 623 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:58.280 But here's the funny thing, Fellas, I had guys like Toroy Vincent, 624 00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:06.719 Brian Dawkins, Bobby Jeremiah Trotter, like these guys, these guys were 625 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:13.920 like my support group. Like these guys were like they always tell you surround 626 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:20.360 yourself with good people, like I really was fortunate enough to surround myself with 627 00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:23.880 some good people man with good brothers that had their heads on straight, that 628 00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:30.519 wasn't necessarily caught up in the NFL limelight and flash and dash they always thought 629 00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:35.880 about one day the game is gonna end. Then what are you gonna do? 630 00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:38.679 What are you gonna do when the game is over with for you and 631 00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:44.440 you can't run and jump and play football anymore? So to me, those 632 00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:49.400 are the guys that that are lifelong friends. And it's it's plenty more of 633 00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:52.519 them, Ryan Mitchell and I can go on and on on, but these 634 00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:59.320 are guys that I gravitated to that had a greater impact on me off the 635 00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:05.760 field and my and my my life after football, maybe greater than they did 636 00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:08.079 than what I applied to the game and what I was able to do on 637 00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:13.639 the field of football. And so you guys know, man, the crowd 638 00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:16.119 is gonna stop cheering at some point for all of us as athletes, and 639 00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:20.960 then what do we have next in our lives as a passion and a plan? 640 00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:27.800 And all of those guys helped me understand that life after football is just 641 00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:30.239 as important right now as you playing right now, and you had better start 642 00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:36.239 planning for life after football. And I'm glad I had those guys around me, 643 00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:38.400 else I wouldn't be where I'm at today if I didn't have those guys 644 00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:43.039 around me. Yeah, that's that's a very good point. And you know 645 00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:45.360 from because there's a lot of things when you first go in. I remember 646 00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:49.360 my rookie year when I was sitting there, I was blessed to be under 647 00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:52.960 you know, I was back up. I was backing up Tony Richardson, 648 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:57.559 you know guys rich and he's the one that told me, like, you 649 00:53:57.599 --> 00:53:59.599 know, like I'll be talking, hey, t Riche, whill we going 650 00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:00.599 to practice? It's like, yeah, you're not gonna You're going to work. 651 00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:06.199 You know, like words like that, you know, like to just 652 00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:08.639 teach you to be a pro. And when you say those things because at 653 00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:13.119 the next level, it's a cutthroat business. It's a business at the NFL. 654 00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.199 But if you can find you know, one, two, three, 655 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:20.119 four people that you can you know, like you said, to surround yourself 656 00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:23.079 with to teach you those lessons for afterwards, you know, then you that 657 00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:29.199 that success in itself there right there. Don't get me wrong, my first 658 00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:31.199 year or two I probably was around the wrong people in the locker room. 659 00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:37.159 I mean think about it. You name the names you name, those are 660 00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:40.920 my Hall of Fame quality names, and you're saying that they were like the 661 00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:45.400 guys a stand up guys in that locker room, which makes you understand why 662 00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:50.320 you guys had such a run at the super Bowl Championships. I mean that 663 00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:53.400 that was quality people you had there, and it's wise to, like do 664 00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:58.079 be an understudy if you will, with people of that caliber. Right, 665 00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:02.079 Yeah, I can plead agree. I tell my kids that all the time, 666 00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:07.199 you know, you know, surround yourself with people that can help you 667 00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:13.920 elevate who you are, not necessarily pull you down or wanting you to carry 668 00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:20.519 them, you know what I'm saying. So there's nothing wrong with having people 669 00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:24.599 around you that can help you think and see things out of the box and 670 00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:29.960 the norm of what you're accustomed to. And so, you know, I 671 00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:37.079 sat back and whether I admire those guys for the type of athletes they were, 672 00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:40.800 because they were all phenomenal NFL players, or whether or not I admire 673 00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:47.480 them for the type of father they were, husbands, they were followers of 674 00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:53.199 Christ like those things. I sat back and I observed, and I said, 675 00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:59.480 you know what, those are the other type of man I would want 676 00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:06.199 my son to emulate and sort of be like and admire. So why wouldn't 677 00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.239 I want some of that in me? You know what? I mean to 678 00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:14.360 help improve who I am as a person. And so, like I said, 679 00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:19.440 I was fortunate to be around those type of players, and those players 680 00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:22.440 are even to this day. If you follow them on social media and you 681 00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:27.880 see what they're doing, you wouldn't be surprised because it's what they did as 682 00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:34.199 players, and now they've carried that into life after football. They are still 683 00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:39.559 doing that, helping people, being pillars in their communities, always trying to 684 00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:45.360 uplift others as opposed to tear down others. And so, you know, 685 00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:51.639 we all strive to be better in our lives, but there's nothing wrong with 686 00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:55.880 having that sort of support group around you where you can lean on guys who 687 00:56:55.920 --> 00:57:00.639 will also holds you accountable, who will also holds you And I'm gonna let 688 00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:05.559 you know, and that's probably not something you should be doing or you know, 689 00:57:06.199 --> 00:57:08.239 you know, that's not who you are. Let's get back on the 690 00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:13.079 right path. And so, man, that allowed me to have a nine 691 00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:16.119 year career, and more importantly, that allowed me to do what I'm doing 692 00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:21.199 right now, which I love. I've been doing it for sixteen years on 693 00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:23.920 the radio, right going for sixteen years, Yeah, sixteen years. So 694 00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:30.760 having that sort of mindset allowed me to say focused and to have a goal 695 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:35.320 and plans, and I feel like I'm better for it. Okay, man, 696 00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:39.960 it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be. You know, I would lose 697 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:44.920 my journalism pen if I didn't ask the hard hitting questions here. So I'm 698 00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:49.280 gonna put you through a rapid fire before we let you go here. Okay, 699 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.880 all right, rapid fire. Best place you got a cheese steak in 700 00:57:52.920 --> 00:58:00.480 Philly? Oh god, you really are putting me in the bed. I'm 701 00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:06.280 a Genos guy. No, no, no, nothing nothing wrong with Gino 702 00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.159 and pets. Nothing wrong with Patsy Gino. But they we, I say 703 00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:15.519 we Philadelphias. Consider that more of a Taurus. What about Maxes? You 704 00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:22.119 gotta go to places like Max's, Delessandro's gyms like you guys, you got 705 00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:25.320 some you got some places out there. Then you gotta kind of go to 706 00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:30.840 the mom and pomp shots. Not not necessarily, Okay, Taurus, Okay, 707 00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:37.159 you're gonna get me kicked out of the city or I wouldn't lose my 708 00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:39.039 journalism. And if I don't ask the tough questions, all right, So 709 00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:45.199 most memorable win at Michigan State, Oh, no doubt nineteen ninety five. 710 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:51.400 We smacked the stump up twenty five. Man. Yeah, we had Tom 711 00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:52.920 Banks on here. We had Tom Banks. He talked about it. We 712 00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:57.400 went through the whole play the whole Last Final series. Okay, he comes 713 00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:04.519 out there. Yeah, okay, So that best favorite watering hole in East 714 00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:20.679 Lanson, Bengo Hall, oh in Lancing. Okay, So I gotta go. 715 00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:22.320 I gotta go with either. I gotta go with either land Sharks or 716 00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:29.679 Ricks one of those two. Those are the two beasts. When I was 717 00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:34.719 there, those are the two Beasts and Ricks. Man, I said to 718 00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:45.920 Bingo Hall, my bad. That's incredible. Yeah. Great. Let me 719 00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:49.639 tell you one thing, you know, like one thing that everybody that's aspirted 720 00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:54.079 the fan that if you weren't around during the time when Ike played and for 721 00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:59.760 those of you were, this is the iconic picture you when you're coming off 722 00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:04.440 the fie to your last game at Spartan Stadium. Wow, look at that 723 01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:09.039 and the tears coming down. Man. I mean that that embodies what the 724 01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:13.519 game meant to you and what you meant to the game. I mean, 725 01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:17.000 we really appreciate you being here man, and and uh look forward to having 726 01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:22.320 you all to get anytime, because this is what we do in the street. 727 01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:24.719 Man, this is man. Listen, it's great. I love my 728 01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:29.559 time there, and and I can't wait to get back up there this summer. 729 01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:31.719 I can't wait to see you guys up there this summer, hang out 730 01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:37.079 with the fellas. Man once it's spartan, always is spartan. Bro, 731 01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:38.599 you know that, man straight. I got a lot of love for your 732 01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:44.280 brother, like you. We didn't play together, but you and now've had 733 01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:47.000 plenty of conversations. Yeah, a lot of communications with each other. Brother. 734 01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:50.519 I remember, I gotta say this, I gotta, I gotta say 735 01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:52.559 this story. I know Trey and Pete back, there's gonna yell at me, 736 01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:58.480 but I never you know, knew Ike, you know, like we 737 01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:00.159 like he said, we didn't play together anything. I didn't even have his 738 01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:04.400 number. I was going to Philly one time and I was like, man, 739 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:06.599 it's spartan dogs in it. And I wanted to take my brother in 740 01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:08.199 law to a Sixers game. I was like, oh, I Greece, 741 01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:10.960 he's in Philly. He played in Michigan. Hey, I hit him up 742 01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:15.159 on Twitter. Hey, Ikes, you know spartan dogs. Blah blah blah 743 01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:16.079 blah. I'm coming to Philly. You know, can you hook me up 744 01:01:16.119 --> 01:01:19.679 with tickets? Hey, man, here's my number. Blah blah blah. 745 01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:30.079 He had me set up, made me look good man. Look that's beautiful 746 01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:34.400 man. No, we love that man. The interaction between spiding dogs is 747 01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:37.519 always love. I appreciate you, look forward to having you again, and 748 01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:40.760 we're gonna see you this song. Yes, tell man anytime fellas. Thanks 749 01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:46.480 for having me man, thanks, yes, sir. But life all right? 750 01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:51.280 Hey man, look that was a good show, you know, really 751 01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:53.840 good and it's not too long for everybody, so I think it's good. 752 01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:59.880 Don't forget. Look, grease is the man? I meancreasead I photo one 753 01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:02.800 more time? All right, coming off the field. Look at that beat? 754 01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:07.480 Hey, need we say more about what I a Greece means to the 755 01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:13.079 Spartan dogs and the legacy that he had when he was here. Hey, 756 01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:15.760 that says it all. That picture says it all. That says it all. 757 01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:21.840 Man, Hey, great show, chi Chew you know for Oldiswila who's 758 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:27.440 on assignment down in Jamaija Land, for Jayu Culchrid. I'm Jason Strayhorn. 759 01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:30.920 This is Sparta. Have a good night, God blessed, go Green Go 760 01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:45.000 White. This is part of MSU as a Bind presentation of Playfly Sports Properties 761 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:50.360 in Michigan State Sports Properties. The show is produced by Pete Manez with additional 762 01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:55.840 support from Tony Costella Operations and Social media support is provided by Alicia Strayhorn with 763 01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:01.519 support from Cecily Max Brown on location. Technical support is provided by a Good 764 01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:07.159 Fruit Video. Be sure to follow our hosts Jason Straehorn, jay U Kulchrik 765 01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:10.679 and Otis Wiley on social media to stay up to date with all the latest 766 01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:15.679 This is Smartan news. Please like and subscribe by visiting our link tree and 767 01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:20.239 tell a friend to do the same. Thank you for your support and as 768 01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:21.599 always, go Green.