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Welcome to Eye on the Ball here
on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve

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Rivera. He's jagan Zaus got our
guy Ryan in today for Thursday. Welcome

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everybody. I hope you're enjoying your
day so far. Well, yeah,

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so you brought up the Dodger game
from last night. Who you were until?

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Yeah, I was. It was
fine. It's not my fault you

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Tony didn't to home again. You
know. I look, I'm a purist,

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right, I want umpires and I
want umpires, you know. I

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don't want them to go to some
electronic strike zone. Right, Okay,

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okay, I want that. I
want the umpires. But damn it,

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get it right. Happened twice last
night, twice, not once, but

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twice, Chelio. Tony got called
out on st on a third on a

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third strike that was out of the
zone. Oh okay, you're not even

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close. I mean not. He's
he's a big tall guy. One was

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like halfway up his shins, and
the guy to call third strike on that.

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The other one was outside and low
and got to call third strike on

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that. And Okay, I mean
I probably wouldn't cared if I didn't have

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five bucks on him to hit a
homer last night. So that's what pissed

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me off. Right, So he
lost two at bats because the couldn't call

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it, couldn't call a strike,
couldn't call it the strike zone. And

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it pissed me off. And so
you know, and you see some of

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these other umpires, like there was, I mean, there's an umpire out

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there and I can't remember Angel or
something, Angel Hernande, who's like he

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gets like something like seventy one percent
of strike calls correct. That's unacceptable,

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that's unacceptable, right. I mean, you can be wrong sometimes, and

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that's that's the charm of you know, having an umpire, But you got

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to be right more than that.
You got to be right like ninety five

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percent of the time nineteen. Yeah, you can't be right. You're wrong

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a third of the time. You
can't. And that's how you're going to

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lose your job. That's how they're
going to go to the electronic strike zone.

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And I don't want to do that. I mean, it's it's hard

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enough sitting through the replays and you
know, on a close play at first

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or whatever. And some of those
take along the one in There was one

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in the Arizona game against Utah.
It took like five minutes. Yeah,

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And I'm like, if in five
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then you got to leave the call
right, you can't change it.

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And then they came out five minutes
later, after all this time, and

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they reversed the call. What was
it? What was it? Like?

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A no, no, it was
it was a it was a play on

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a double play, I think,
And and they uh, and they called

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it, you know, they called
the double play, called him out.

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And then they came back and said
he was safe and and and I guess,

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you know, and they I mean
thinking when when when instrutram play first

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came out, there was a time
limit, But what's happened to that?

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Because this took and I mean,
I I'm driving home and I'm waiting for

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this game to end, and you
know, and I'm like, this needs

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to end before I get out of
my car, and and uh and it

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took forever, and and it was
and it was it was a game that

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the Arizona was winning by a lot. What the hell, you know?

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And they want to speed up the
game. And but then they do that

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like you have like maybe like a
two minute yes, and and and if

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you again, if you can't tell
pretty much right away, if it's too

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close to tell right away, then
do you You just got to leave the

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call as it is. But back
to the balls and strikes thing. Some

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of the I mean there you see
some you know, there was one,

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uh the other day it was the
ball was a foot outside and they called

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a strike on it, and like, what are we doing? It's crazy?

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This is nothing new, no Steve. But but now that we have

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more you know, more technology and
stuff, they need to be Now that

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we have draft kings, no paid
more. Now that I'm now that I'm

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gambling on it more. I got
a number for you show. Yeah,

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there's that on my phone. They're
like like right under my wife's mister,

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another call for you. But you
know, and I really don't ever want

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to want to see the umpire behind
home plate just stand there to make calls

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at you know, calls at home
play instead of balls and strike. But

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you know you can't. You can't
miss that much and still get paid umps

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and enough to make a living at
it. Well, sure, but does

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tell me how two thousand, five
thousand. I think they make pretty good

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money. I'll look that up.
But uh, sorry, everyone started off

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the show on this to exactly but
we did. But you won't want to

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fix the clock just because, just
just to be sure, we gland.

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According to this website, usually umpires
salary can range from one hundred and twenty

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thousand to over three hundred thousand dollars
annually, just depends somebody how long,

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Yeah, how long you've been been
doing it and stuff like that. You

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know, and you know, plus
you get all the travel and all that

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stuff. So sure, but it's
it's experience. It's you know, if

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you're in Major League Baseball versus somewhere
else, you know that kind of stuff.

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But where you're based, it says
there's a lot of factors. But

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you know, that's I mean,
that's a According to Sporting News, it's

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one hundred and fifty thousand to four
hundred and fifty dollars season to watch a

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baseball game. Because I remember it
used to be that. You know,

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they had to go get jobs in
the off season, you know, but

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yeah, you know, but but
you know major league athletes had to do

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that too. You know, they
talk about you know, NFL players in

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the early days would have to go
work in you know, instead of working

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out of all off season, they
were working at kmart and stuff. You

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know. So, but that that's
it. You know, Hey, that's

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a decent living. I'd be you
know, somebody came and said, I'll

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pay you a hundred fifty thousand dollars
to go be an umpire, I'd say,

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okay, but that's a long road. I mean it's a long road

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for to get there. Yeah,
no, you take it's nice long road

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to get there. Yak. It
is for the NBA refs and the you

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know, everyone gets well, damn
it be good enough to earn that crap.

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Yeah, well you think they would
be. Look, if you've ever,

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I mean, you really pay attention
to what they do. It's a

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hard job. You know. Everybody, you know, everybody in the stadium

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doesn't hate them, but might hate
them at some point during the game,

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right you're catching crap the only time
they ever you know, nobody ever says

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what a great call. They only
they only rip on you if it's a

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bad call, right, So it's
a you know, it's a it's a

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tough job. I don't know that
i'd want, you know, people yelling

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at me. I mean, I
did Little league games and I you know,

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and having parents yelling at them.
They just wanted to turn around to

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punch them in the face. The
most vicious player people out there, the

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parents. Yeah, you know,
I you know, I had the I

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had I got to I got to
do the Little League Majors All Star Tournament

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one year, okay, and an
easy play I was a second base kid

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gets thrown out a second by a
lot and I mean buy a lot.

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Not even close, right, It's
like not even close. And he kind

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of heard his ankle, you know, when he slid into second base.

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So the coach comes comes out.
He comes and looks at the kid's ankle,

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and then he starts yelling at me, saying, and I blew the

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call, and he goes, he
goes, he goes, that was a

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messed up call, And I'm like, are you talking? I thought he

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might have been talking to his base
umpire for having the kids steal, right,

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because are you talking to me and
he goes, yeah, I'm talking

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to you, and I said,
that wasn't even close. It wasn't even

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close. And then he started get
but I said, okay, it wasn't

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close. He got one more word, and you're gone from your kid's All

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Star game. So you decide what
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went back to working on the kid's
ankle. But I mean, the kid

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was out by six feet and he
comes out and argues the call. I'm

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like, what are you doing?
Well? That was Twitter, that was

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Twitter before Twitter was Twitter. Yeah, you know, you know, it's

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not my fault, it's your faulty. Then then there's the worst. That's

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when when you're calling your own kids
game okay, and then the fans on

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the other side, are you sure
compensating? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah

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no, it's si no win situation. That's why you just kind of be

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Switzerland. Just kinda watch, just
kinda watch, Go home, eat your

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burger, go to sleep. Well, welcome everybody again. Thursday. You

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set me off, I set you
off. But we're gonna talk. We'll

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talk a little about that with our
first guest, Tom Condy. Tim Tom

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Condy Kendyatty, Tom Candyatty. I've
been wanting to talk to him for a

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long time. I got him this
week, thankfully through the Diamondbacks. About

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all that. We'll talk about just
a chance of something like that happening with

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the umps. You know, did
he ever have well? And then you

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know he was a knuckleball pitch.
So trying to call his pictures I can't

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even imagine, but that was like, so that'll be a little fun and

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his son obviously pictures for you,
Clark Candyatty. He'll be throwing the second

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game in the series, Arizona Series
tomorrow, and you know it's funny.

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I went to his win his Twitter
pitch. I was, go get their

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Twitter sign idea, so like,
I don't know, like the last twenty

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post by him on his twitter,
on his Twitter for everybody's kids kids,

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you know something airs on a baseball
probably yeah, super proud dad. I'm

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sure Solus his kid's good. Yeah, he's gonna, he's gonna, he's

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gonna pitch in the pros. He's
gonna be down here, Uh Saturday or

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tomorrow. I guess he pitched tomorrow. You say, yeah, tomorrow,

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I think And maybe Saturday. Uh, so we'll talk more about that and

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talk about the good old days when
he pitched in the major leagues. Yep,

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when he was a Dodgers Dodger,
Cleveland Dodger. I'm gonna go back

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to the Cleveland Dodger. You got
your stories, I got uh And then

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we're gonna go to h Matt Morano, who goes works from Go Easy Cats,

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and we'll talk what's going on with
the recruiting. How does it look

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for Arizona comparatively to other schools.
Yeah, football and basketball, because that

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kid tomorrow is gonna announce my issue. Yeah, you know, his his

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choice Florida here or Washington the j
Bermuda Triangle. Yeah, exactly. Did

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you hear what what da Dabo Sweeney
said? Dablos Swing literally said on a

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radio show. I called it up
and I have it. He said there

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are no players in the transfer portal
good enough to play for Clemson, basically

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saying, if you've gone into the
portal, you're not good enough to play

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for us. And that's why his
program is going to and exactly because that's

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what he's kind of stayed away from, right right, he said some other

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something else stupid he said, all
our players are transfers. They're transfers from

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high school. I'm like, dude, you you know, uh, the

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Nick Saban, the greatest coach arguably
in college football ever, but certainly in

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you know, this generation, use
the transfer portal. I mean, how

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you can sit there and stand alone
and argue and say, no, guys

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in the transfer portal are good enough
to play for us. Well, you've

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seen what's happened to his There's there's
the Dabbo Sweeney approach, and then there's

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the Calipari approach. So you got
to find that perfect meeting, right,

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because because it's not what it hasn't
worked for cala Perry. Well maybe not

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with the transfers, but with the
went and done people. I'll tell you

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what, he's digging himself up.
He's digging himself up a deep, deep

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hole because it hasn't worked so far
in the last two three years. Right,

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that's his biggest criticism, Yeah,
that we're not improving through the portal,

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but we're trying to get through the
h And you know, he goes

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on and says that every everybody who
posts that, then it starts another thread

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of dude, man, you better
get with the program or you're going into

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the toilet. You better win.
Yes, about winning with talent or no

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talent? We saw and everything Arizona's
historically had talent and then marginal talent.

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Yeah, and marginal is not the
right word. But you know what I'm

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saying. Dick told me I had
to coach him up, rich Rod had

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to coach him up that you know, two star scoobs, the you oh

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my Joeys was oh geez. But
the okay, okay, you know how

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to come up with Everybody has this, you know, gim me a phrase,

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you know, just just play the
game game. I don't care about

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uniforms. Play it again, dead
game. Yeah. So but man,

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I don't know, Man, I
don't know. It's like, okay,

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so do you not believe in n
I l either? You know? Right?

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Right right? That's the stubbornness to
try and stick to what was instead

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of understanding what is is. It's
crazy. I mean, you're you're just

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you're just laying a laying a bad
bed that you're gonna have to lay in

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for for a while. Right.
And he's probably surviving because he's dabble Sweeney.

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But soon a certain amount of time
you're gonna have to start winning.

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You guys start winning some game with
talent or no tell? Yeah, okay,

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what else is going on? Before
we head out to talk to Tom

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KENDIOTTI? You know, I just
you know again, getting ready for this

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big Arizona series, uh starting tonight. Stootball starts tomorrow to stop off starts

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tomorrow at three o'clock against Villanova tonight
at six o'clock Oregon Stage year. It's

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a three game set. Arizona just
has to win one game. Uh.

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Orgon State looks to be the favor
to win the series. I saw something.

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They're they're ranked higher than Arizona r
and everything else. I saw some

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d you want predictions maybe fifteen sixteen
people and only three had Arizona beating them

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for the series. They're they only
again, only gotta win one, win

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one, okay, and you're going
because they could have win tonight. Yeah.

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I was gonna go tomorrow, but
my daughter said, what what are

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you doing? We have we have
ninety seconds. I'm gonna ask you a

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weird question, but you know,
I know you answer it. So your

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kids are gone. When they were
younger, who ran the house they did?

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Now that they're older and gone mostly. Wow, I have to I

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have two of them. I have
two of them in my house. Runs

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the house. They still run that. Okay, there's four of us.

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There's four of us in the house. I'm fourth in line. Go to

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your dad. Yeah you're your dad. Yeah your dead. Yeah. I

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wrote that a story in my many
years ago, when the kids were small.

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I was Dagwood Bumpstead, I was
I was Al Bundy. I was

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this dude that just a dude on
the that dude who plays the mortgage.

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You're just along for the right.
There's there's a three way tie for first

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in my house and then me.
Yeah. Yeah, it was long.

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Just know that I'm good. I'm
good with it, you know, I

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just I just roll with it.
You know what? Do we have it

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for dinner? I know what you
guys decide. Just make sure you don't

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don't miscalling me. Yeah, make
sure I'm there. Okay, Okay,

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So let's let's take the break,
all right, Ryan, Well, we'll

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get to you and then we'll have
the Tom on the phone, Tom Candiaty.

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This is I on the Ball on
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He's Jacin zaliz Now and I phone. We have Tom Candiotti, former

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Major leaguer and now Arizona Diamondbacks radio
guy. Tom. How are you man?

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I'm doing great. How you guys
doing. We're doing great as well.

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We've wanted to have you on the
show for a few reasons. Your

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time here at Cleveland, are your
time with the Dodgers, just to make

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it happy. And obviously your son's
a fantastic picture here. You must be

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a proud dad, Ah, super
proud. You know, I've obviously been

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really close with Clark through his journey
and from the time he was in old

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high school even before that, but
through high school and through college and to

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where he's at right now. And
you know, I couldn't be more proud

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of, like his development, you
know, his attitude, you know,

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just the way he holds himself,
and obviously his talent. But yeah,

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I'm super excited, like every time
he takes the mound. Well, I

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was telling you off air, the
three games I've gone to to see Arizona

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play, he's he's pitched all three
of them, and you know, he's

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I completely impressed the hell out of
me, to the point of like I'm

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thinking, Okay, if he's the
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starter, how good is the day
one starter, right, because that's you

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know, Clark has just been I
just love the way he throws. He

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just it's like he's not not ever, he's not ever phased up on the

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mound, right, whatever's happening,
You just give me the give me the

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ball, throw the next pitch.
You know, Clark is and there's a

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big reason for that too. You
know, Clark has been around a lot

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of Major League baseball players. You
know, when him and his brother were

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younger, I would take him to
work with me and and I'd get to

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the ballpark about one point thirty.
Of course, those guys could go where

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they want, they go down to
the locker room. You know, they

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would hang out down there. They
would go watch guys throw throw batting practice,

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they would watch bullpens, they would
do like whatever. They were like

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part of the team. And so
you know, he doesn't get overwhelmed when

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he gets in situations and stuff like
that. I think just from watching and

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being around you know, major league
players, you know when when they were

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young, and just kind of learned
that. That's a huge advantage for kids.

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I think. You know, when
you have you see what dad does,

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you love what dad does, and
you get to do what dad does.

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Oh yeah, well, well Dad's
boring that he's up there studying on

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a computer. You know, he'd
rather go down and and you know,

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hang out down at the batting cage
and hang around the players and you know.

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And the funny thing is, even
when Chip was managing the Diamondbacks,

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you know, Clark was just a
kid that would be down there just kind

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of hanging out. I think he
was fifteen years old at the time.

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And uh, Chip probably didn't even
know it at that time until we got

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there to Tucson and when we were
getting recruited and uh, he goes,

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yep, I remember you all the
time when you were down there in the

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locker room. That's pretty cool.
That's pretty cool. Whether he believes that

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or not, that's okay. So
you you were you were one of the

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you know, long time I would
say, you know, a great knuckleball

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pitcher. You were known for your
knuckleball. Did Clark does he have one?

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Has he ever tried it? Would
he ever show it? Or was

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he? Has he not been interested
in it? Well? What Clark?

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Through his development? You know,
I've introduced him to every single pitch.

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I don't care if it's a basketball, four seam er, two seamer,

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slider, cutter, curveball, change
up, knuckleball, forkball, splitter,

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you name it. You know,
I've taught him how to throw it,

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and then he so he knows how
to do it. And actually he does

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throw a knuckleball. He'll never throw
in the game, right, there's no

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way, you know, but he
knows how. I always thought it was

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important to introduce, you know,
my boys to like all these different pitches,

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and they kind of go from there, which ones they like, which

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ones they it feels better coming out
of their hand. And then I would

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try to tweak them a little bit
by just watching their natural delivery and what

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would work best from that arm slot
and that release point, and then they

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just kind of develop on their own
that way. And and for Clark,

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you know, it's kind of been
you know, he experiments a lot,

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but when he got to Tucson and
the University of Arizona, you know,

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they really tweaked him because they now
could show him through metrics what a four

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seamer does compared to his two seamer. What happens if you raise your arm

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angle, you know, through three
or four inches and deliver the ball up

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there instead of like a lower arm
angle. And so, you know,

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Kevin Vance has been outstanding for him, and you know he's really used the

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program at U of A to really
develop. How long of a major leaguer

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were you? I came up in
nineteen eighty three and retired in the spring

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of two thousand. Well, so
a nice seventeen year career. How has

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that changed the pitching aspect of it, because it's you just said twenty pitches

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right there, an arm angle and
velocity. How has that changed in your

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time? Oh? Incredibly a lot. You know, there's I mean,

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there's so many aspects of pitching that
changes, hitting, that's changed, you

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know, and obviously the little cat
and mouse game that goes back and forth

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between the two. But you know, it's a game of power now,

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whether you're hitting or whether you're pitching. And you know, velocity is king,

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and so you need guys to be
able to get it up there in

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the mid nineties or higher, you
know, to really be able to,

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you know, to succeed on the
major league level. Now there's a couple,

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you know, outliers. You know
you could you know, you look

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at Ranger Suarez and what he could
do, you know, for the Phillies.

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He might be the best pitcher in
baseball down he throwsy one miles an

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hour. But but for the most
part, you know, velocity is king.

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But you just can't throw one pitch. You know, you have to

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have you know, if you have
even if you're a reliever, you have

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to have a couple of pitches,
and if you're a starter, you certainly

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need more than you know, more
than a couple of pitches. He need

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three or four pitches. So Clark
has that ability. He's got a really

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good split finger. He doesn't throw
it that much. Yeah, it really

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hasn't hasn't done that that much it
at Tuson, but he's got that in

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his bag. You know, hopefully
he'll never have to use a knuckleball,

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but we do play catch with it
and it's kind of a fun thing between

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him and I. So, Okay, where does the where does the velocity

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come from? Right? I mean, how do the how have these guys

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become such hard throwers? And there's
so many of them? Yeah, how

407
00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:51.039
do you develop velocity? I guess
is what is what I'm asking? Is

408
00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:56.440
it just natural you have the natural
physical ability or is there something that these

409
00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.400
pitchers do while they're working on everything
that helps them develop to be able to

410
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:04.599
throw into the mid nineties. Well, strength obviously is a big part of

411
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:07.440
it. You have to be,
you know, pretty strong, you know,

412
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.799
but you need to have arm speed. So arm speed, just like

413
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:18.039
that speed is going to increase the
velocity of the ball. And there's different

414
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:22.359
ways to increase arm speed, and
that's being shorter and quicker. Sometimes it's

415
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.319
the rotation of your hips, you
know, it's the drive from your back

416
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:30.640
leg. Most of the time,
when you look at really hard throwing pictures,

417
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:36.839
you know, their their lower body
strength is incredible. But you also

418
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:40.799
need to have other things and timing
aspect to go with that. So I

419
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:45.640
can't just answer that with like one, you know, one thing that does

420
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:48.319
it. It's there's a variety of
things that have to come in place.

421
00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:52.319
In fact, that was there Tuesday. I think I would do go see

422
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.599
you guys play, and the pictures
are bigger now they're bigger, dude,

423
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:57.000
Right, there are a lot of
power in the legs. Like he says

424
00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:00.759
in the hips, you don't have
any kent anymore. Yeah, you do,

425
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:03.240
you know what I'm saying. Or
from the guys. You don't have

426
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:07.440
the finesse guys anymore. So that's
all changed. I wanted you to come

427
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:10.400
up with any Dodger stuff with his
connection to the Dodgers, because I have

428
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:14.640
a Cleveland Indian Tom. Yeah,
I grew up a Dodger fan. You

429
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:15.960
know, we got them on the
radio here. So I've been a Dodger

430
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:19.480
fan all my life, so obviously
followed you when you the time you're with

431
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:23.839
them. So okay, when you
went to the Dodgers, you know what

432
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.079
was it kind of was it different
from maybe going to you know, any

433
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:30.839
other tim the Dodgers up there like
a you know, you go to the

434
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.200
Yankees, you go to the Dodgers. Maybe I don't know who else you

435
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:37.759
put in that kind of stratosphere of
major leagues or were you just happy to

436
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:42.160
be somewhere. Well, you know, I we go back. I signed

437
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:45.640
with the Dodgers after the nineteen ninety
one season. I was a free agent,

438
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:51.680
and I was a you know,
I was a trade deadline guy that

439
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:56.279
was traded from the Indians at that
time to the Blue Jays and we got

440
00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:00.160
to the playoffs, lost to the
Twins, who went on to be the

441
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:04.000
Braves. So I became a free
agent when that season was over, and

442
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:08.519
the Dodgers were one of the first
teams to call, and so I went

443
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:15.000
down and talked to you know,
their staff and Tommy Lasorda and the whole

444
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:18.319
I got the whole Dodger experience.
But on top of that, I grew

445
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:22.759
up in the Bay Area and where
all my buddies were Giant fans, but

446
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:26.480
I happen to be a Dodger fan. At that time in the sixties,

447
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:32.640
really all the only games that really
got telecasts were when the Dodger or when

448
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:34.920
the Giants went down to LA and
played the Dodgers, or the game of

449
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:37.880
the week, that's really all you
had, and that was usually the Yankees

450
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.799
and somebody. And so I was
able to, you know, fall in

451
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:48.839
love with Cofax and Drysdale and Maury
Wills and Tommy Davis and you know that,

452
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.759
you know, that group of Dodgers. And sure enough, when I

453
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.799
go down there, the first guy
they have down there is Tommy Davis.

454
00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.440
And wow, he was my my
favorite player growing up. And and so

455
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.119
I was able to talk to him, and of course became friends with Sandy

456
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:08.440
Kofax and Don Drysdale and all those
guys would be there at Spring trading of

457
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:11.799
course, but uh, you know, it was a pretty easy, you

458
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.759
know call for me. You know, when the Dodgers called me, you

459
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.720
know, Icho, this is where
I want to go. That's too cool?

460
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.000
Yeah, nice, Yeah, that's
the cool. I mean, look,

461
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:22.960
you just mentioned all the names,
right, yeah, that I grew

462
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:25.880
up and I just looked you up
and you're three years older than me.

463
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:29.759
So we we grew up watching the
same guys. And you know, as

464
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:32.279
you said, you know Tommy Davis, I mean, you know, I

465
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:34.319
think him and Willie Davis playing at
the same time, and you know,

466
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.839
confusing those guys sometimes because they're both
so good. But that's so that's so

467
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:41.240
cool that you got to play with
the team that you want to know,

468
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:45.319
you wanted to play for, well
grew up. Yeah. So Tom,

469
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.319
my story is when you were in
Cleveland back in eighty eight. I want

470
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:49.799
to say, here's a skinny,
twenty four year old kid, kind of

471
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:52.799
out of college, just out and
I was coming spring training with the Indians.

472
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.240
You know, as you know kids
here, young kids go do spring

473
00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:00.119
training. Kind of a dream of
mine doing this, and my run ins

474
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.880
with here a couple of players in
the Cleveland Indians were not was not very

475
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:06.519
fun. And I saw you the
names off the air and you'd understand.

476
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:07.599
And I said, you know,
guys, who could I talk to you?

477
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.839
That's a good dude. Well,
Tom's talks to everybody. He's a

478
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.279
nice guy. So I went to
talk to Tom Candieta twice just to get

479
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:18.240
my story. You can get that
hell out and not be yelled at by

480
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:19.920
the guys. So that's my story
with you, and I love you for

481
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:26.759
it. You know, it's obviously
very intimidating when you become like like an

482
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.640
announcer or a broadcaster or you know, a reporter or whatever. That is

483
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:37.279
to actually go into a major league
locker room and and and start asking the

484
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.039
major leaguer questions. Yeah, and
they don't know. You never know where

485
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:44.160
it's gonna go, and they don't
know you. And guys nowadays are are

486
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.559
fantastic. They're all really really good. They're all you know, they're they're

487
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:52.319
all schooled very very well. But
back in you're talking back in the eighties,

488
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.799
you know, you never know,
some guy might bite your head off

489
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:59.920
back you know, with no repercussions, there's no social media, there's no

490
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:02.119
thing. You don't have to worry
about anything, right, Right, But

491
00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:07.640
it's a different crowd today, obviously, Yeah, no questions, Thank you

492
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.519
for it. We're gonna ask him
about pitching pitching with the with CA.

493
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:16.000
Okay, so we were I was, I was complaining last night because okay,

494
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.680
I'll just I I needed I need
to show he time to hit a

495
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.559
home run for me last night.
Right, and he gets called out,

496
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:24.960
he gets a call third strike on
two balls that we're outside the strike zone.

497
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:28.440
You know, he got the little
square now and you know, my

498
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:32.279
point was, I really don't ever
want to see electronics strike zones, right,

499
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:35.680
I want to see umpires calling balls
and strikes. But I do want

500
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:39.640
to see umpires be better at it
as a pitcher, you know, I

501
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:44.599
mean, what what what do you
want from an umpire consistency? They talk

502
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:46.960
about those kinds of things. Would
you want if you're all of a sudden

503
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.480
back in the Major League, would
you want the electronics strike zone now?

504
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:52.920
Or do you do you still think
that we need to keep the umpires back

505
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:58.079
there? You know, that's just
a difficult one. You know, it's

506
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:04.319
it's weird now because everybody that watches
the game on TV, they have little

507
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:07.079
strikes on the little box up there, you know, and so right away

508
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:12.240
guys want to judge the umpire how
he's doing. I think I did last

509
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.039
night and so, but that's what
you're looking at. You're not looking at

510
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:20.400
where the catcher's sitting up. You're
not looking at anything other than that box

511
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:22.880
that they put up, it seems
like. And I get caught into that

512
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:27.559
once in a while too. But
as a pitcher, you know, look

513
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.599
at my job was to pick up
you know, get the sign, pick

514
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:35.559
up the catcher's glove and hit the
target, you know, And the more

515
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:38.920
times I hit the target, the
better game I was going to have the

516
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:44.000
better you know, outing was get
a ball place, least amount of pitches,

517
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.720
all that stuff. You know.
Unfortunately, now guys don't hit the

518
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:52.079
target as much because they're all maximum
effort deliveries in the way they throw the

519
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:55.880
ball. You know, they just
want stuff on the ball. And so

520
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:02.119
it's really difficult for an umpire because
he knows he's getting graded on balls in

521
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:07.599
that box. In my day,
like if you get if you're around the

522
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:10.000
catcher's glove a lot, and even
if you miss a little bit, you're

523
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:15.000
going to start getting those calls,
right, And nowadays that's not that's really

524
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:20.960
not even it. They're they're so
the umpires are so in tune into where

525
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.679
that box is that and they know
they're going to get graded and uh and

526
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.039
you guys could probably go out.
You can probably see it on Twitter right

527
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.800
that the umpire score scorecards, right
and you can see actually how they are

528
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:36.599
and you know how they how they
did and all that stuff, and it's

529
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.679
I know, I just you know, it just it's it's a little different

530
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:43.840
game, but it's it's a game
that you have to adjust to as a

531
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.760
player. Nowadays, you know,
in the minor leagues, they're you know,

532
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:51.840
they're getting to the point where they
you know, hitters or pitchers can

533
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:55.000
question calls like well, once or
twice a game or once a whatever it

534
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:59.920
is. And so I don't know
if that's going to keep going towards h

535
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:05.199
you know, or migrating towards Major
League Baseball or not. It seems like

536
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:08.199
everything they try in the minor leagues
seems to be, you know, a

537
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:12.840
precursor to what's gonna happen in the
big leagues. So that could be another

538
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:17.400
interesting possibility. One last question for
me, who was the toughest dude you

539
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:23.239
faced in your career. There's a
lot of them, you know, there

540
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:27.960
was a lot of them. The
one guy I never really liked the face

541
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:30.880
was Larry Walker, and I think
a lot of that had to do with

542
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:37.199
pitching in Colorado that wasn't like friendly
to me in that high altitude, you

543
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:40.880
know, throwing breaking stuff. It
just didn't break like it normally did so,

544
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.320
and he was a really good hitter
anyway, and obviously a good player,

545
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.519
and so that was like, boy, this is chuck and duck,

546
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:53.559
you know, But there's others,
you know, and you can flip it

547
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:55.920
on the other side, you know, which guys did you like throwing to.

548
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:00.599
You know, Vinny Castilla, I
don't know what the number are that

549
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:04.039
between me and him, but I
don't think he ever got a hit off,

550
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:06.280
you know. And then he's pitched
I'm pitching to him in the same

551
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.039
environment, so who knows. You
know, there's I was lucky enough to

552
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:14.320
pitch for a long time. My
first major league start in the major leagues

553
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:17.199
back in nineteen eighty three, I
was able to I threw a complete game

554
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:22.800
and got carl Yastrevsky out, you
know, and I thought that was huge

555
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.119
because I was a kid pitching against
that guy and my mom at my mom's

556
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:29.320
garage door. Yeah, you know, but I was I don't even know

557
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.079
how old I was, nine years
old. Yeah, but you know,

558
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:35.320
and Reggie Jackson was in that group
the whole thing. And and then even

559
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.480
at the end of my career,
you know, then you're you're talking about

560
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:42.480
guys like like Tony Gwen and you
know, these touch hitters that are Hall

561
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:45.239
of famers, so you know,
it's you know, but Larry Walker,

562
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.639
I think it is probably the one
guy that kind of stands out to me.

563
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:51.639
All right, last question for reals, Now, do you still have

564
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:54.679
a lot of your your gear from
you know, our souvenirs, T shirts,

565
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:59.320
jerseys, whatever, and does one
you have more of one team than

566
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.280
another. You know, Clark stole
a lot of that stuff from me.

567
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.760
Got shirt you know with the Braves
at the time, you know the chicks

568
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:08.840
Dick the long ball. Yeah,
I think he stole that one from me.

569
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:13.760
He stole I think I think he
went through all my equipment bags and

570
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:17.599
stole every T shirt that I had. So if you're looking for that stuff,

571
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:22.679
you better have Clark. You probably
got right exactly. Yeah, yeah,

572
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:28.119
right, thank you, Tom.
You know the guy who struck Yuzinski,

573
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:30.800
right or ship screen I struck out
Tommy Martinez is a twelve years there

574
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:35.039
you go. Yeah, good for
you, Thank you. Tom has a

575
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:37.039
lot of fun. Appreciate it.
Well, I appreciate you guys having me

576
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:40.079
make good luck tonight, right because
yeah, you guys this weekend. Thanks

577
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:43.280
a bunch. That was fun.
That was a lot of fun. That

578
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.239
was a lot of fun. Very
cool. Yeah, Tom, you know

579
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.360
again, you pitch that long in
the major leagues, you're good. Oh

580
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.960
yeah, you know, you're really
good. And to be good good enough

581
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:55.440
for that long? How cool?
Is it to face those dudes, those

582
00:37:55.599 --> 00:38:00.239
dudes. Yeah, and then you
win the game and things like that because

583
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.159
you always remember it. Look the
forty some years later, what you what's

584
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.679
your greatest one of the greatest moments. Well it struck out struck yeah,

585
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:12.679
yeah, no big deal, it's
not that night exactly. Okay, all

586
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.880
right, that was very cool.
Hey, stick around, give us a

587
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:16.039
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588
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589
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live. I mean, iHeartRadio app. This is I on the Ball with

617
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Steve Raverera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox
Sports fourteen fifty. Hey, welcome back

618
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:37.719
to I on the Ball here on
Fox Sports fourteen fifty on Steve your Jay.

619
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:39.760
You got Ryan with us that twelve
minutes. Anybody you want to give

620
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:43.960
us a call? Five two zero
four one six seven four four zero.

621
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:47.599
Did you guys go back in the
day to spring training? Uh? Were

622
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:51.679
your experiences? You know, when
you were a kid and from Santa Mania

623
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.079
High School. I dreamed about doing
stuff like that, you know, and

624
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.039
before I was in Dallas and I
covered the Rangers. It was a little

625
00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:00.320
tough thir two. But here the
spring training was not fun for Yeah,

626
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:01.719
well, I had the same experience
you did. I mean, I was

627
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:06.519
having fun, but I you know, it was kind of like, okay,

628
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:07.800
you know which guys to kind of
stay away from, and you did,

629
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:12.760
and you mentioned the same guy's name
right right, Julio Franco was just

630
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.280
a pain in the butt. And
I just didn't even try because I was

631
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.440
told don't go near him, just
don't go near him, and I didn't,

632
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:21.639
and maybe that's what he wanted.
But there was one other guy that

633
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:24.760
I did go near that the one
guy who I talked to who just kind

634
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:28.639
of was a jerk was a guy
named mel Hall. You know, I

635
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:30.079
tried, I tried to go interview
him, and he was just he was

636
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.360
just the worst. Get away from
you, just get the hell away from

637
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:35.480
you. You know. I asked
a couple of questions, he gave me

638
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:37.760
a couple of one word answers,
and I said, okay, this,

639
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.719
you know, cause because the you
know, covering spring training probably the same

640
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:45.440
with you. The job was go
in, you know, go go to

641
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:49.840
get a feature, right, go
go to batting practice or whatever, try

642
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:53.519
to interview somebody before the game,
then then write the story during the game,

643
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:57.360
and then kind of rec at the
end of the story you talk about

644
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.840
the game pair exactly. So you
always had to get a feat and so

645
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:02.280
it was there just a guy that
you had to go, just go talk

646
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:06.039
to a guy. And that's what
the fans here, you know, they

647
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:09.480
wanted. They just wanted to They
wanted us as local writers to talk about

648
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.800
the guys that are, you know, the big league guys. And so

649
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.599
that's what you were doing. Sometimes
you'd get a you know, it was

650
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:16.719
the Indians who were the team here, and you'd get the Indians. Other

651
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:21.760
times you'd go get you know,
somebody from the opposing team. You know,

652
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:23.679
Uh, Sean Dunstan, I thought, you know, when the Cubs

653
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:28.960
came here, it was a guy
that I go, Yeah, but you

654
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.679
know on the Indians where you know, I learned, okay, stay away

655
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:37.400
from Al Hall, stay away from
Wilia Franco. A story that always stuck

656
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.679
with me was I did a story
on Jay Bell, who was nineteen years

657
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:43.840
old. He was in you know, in the Major league spring training.

658
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:47.159
He was like the future, right, and he never I don't think he

659
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:51.760
ever even came up with with Cleveland. I mean, he got traded,

660
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:53.440
he entered the cub and uh he
went to a bunch of places, but

661
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:58.639
ended up on the Diamondbacks or the
World Series team. So you know,

662
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:01.480
you got to. You know,
Phil Nekro got traded to the to the

663
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:07.239
UH to the Indians towards the end
of spring training. So he shows up

664
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:08.840
one day and so natural I had
to go interview Phil neicro and he was

665
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:12.280
the nicest guy in the world.
Yeah, well, here's the guy who's

666
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:15.119
gonna be a Hall of Famer.
You, Julio Franco, are not going

667
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:16.800
to be a Hall of Famer,
and you're a jerk. You Mail Hall

668
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:19.719
are never going to be a Hall
of Famer, and you're a jerk.

669
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:22.480
Here comes this Hall of Famer and
he's the nicest guy ever. My story

670
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:29.639
two stories, Jim Abbott Fantastic and
Rock Crew two weeks and that. I'll

671
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.079
remember those guys in the Candy Audius, the guys who spoke to you five

672
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:36.360
minutes. All you're looking for is
five minutes for a five hundred word story,

673
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.440
and you're and you're done, and
that's it. You just need a

674
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:42.079
couple of minutes of their time,
and and you got it. You know.

675
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.960
I I saw Will Clark, I
was I was going to the Giants

676
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:49.039
locker room. I was going to
the Giants locker room. And two I

677
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:52.159
wanted to talk to Will Clark and
he and he's and he's standing outside the

678
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:57.440
locker room talking to somebody, and
probably an eight year old kid walks up

679
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.400
to him and puts up, you
know, cardon ask him for not graph

680
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:02.840
and he screamed at the kid.
He's like, didn't you see I'm talking

681
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:06.360
to somebody, And he yelled at
the kid, and the kid just turned

682
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.320
around and walked away. It probably
went over to his dad and started crying,

683
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:10.719
you know. And I wanted to
say, what a what a turd?

684
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:14.960
So I went into the giants locker
room and I don't know why I

685
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:15.800
would have interboy, I didn't injury. I said, well, I'm not

686
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:19.639
talking to him, you know,
I'm not even gonna try. I'm like,

687
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:22.559
why why would you do that?
That was kind of my first taste

688
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:28.519
of this job. Is fun,
but but they're not all good dudes exactly,

689
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:30.239
and and they and they were not
but so you just kind of,

690
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:35.239
you know, you talk like I
would always ask the Cleveland writers who were

691
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.360
here, Hey, you know who's
a good guy, who's not a good

692
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:38.239
guy? You know? Who should
I talk to you? That's what I

693
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:40.800
did, Kenny Audi. I said, I just want to get through the

694
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:44.440
day you want to talk to you
and he was sitting in the back and

695
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:46.159
you know, warming up, blah
blah blah, and you got five minutes.

696
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:50.599
Yeah, it was fun. You
know. Bob Feller was was uh

697
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:52.199
you know, was in was in
the camp. A couple of days.

698
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:54.559
I went to talk to him.
How old was he? He's pretty old

699
00:44:54.559 --> 00:45:05.000
already. Nobody's talked to me.
And the years I was that's Bob Feller.

700
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:10.920
Yeah, you know, guys like, yeah, I had fun with

701
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:15.280
it. I know if your whole
tame time was miserable, and but but

702
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:20.599
you know I I I did enjoy
doing it. Uh and and and you

703
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.599
know it's one of the things that
I covered that then I had to cover

704
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:30.039
the tours that season. Was I
hated that tis a lot of games and

705
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:34.599
some of those dudes were very bitter
because they weren't at the majors. They

706
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.760
were better because they were on their
way up and weren't there yet, or

707
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:39.880
they were better because they were on
their way down, and and uh,

708
00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:44.679
I you know know I that was
that was a hard gig. And it

709
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:46.679
was kind of like the same game
every night, right, the same game.

710
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:50.800
So you don't about the game,
yeah, because and there would be

711
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.519
fourteen game homestands, right, so
for two weeks solid, you're covering the

712
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:58.519
game and it's like no days off
and all that kind of stuff. Baseball

713
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:00.960
writers are special breed because you're there
three hours before the game, you're there

714
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:04.239
for the game, and then you're
afterward. Under that, I were writing

715
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:07.239
the always some fun stories out of
that. Though. There was a guy

716
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:10.119
got it like Eric Bullock. Okay, he was remember Bullock very much?

717
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:15.679
Okay, so better players like nineteen
eighty five a shaighty six. It would

718
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:19.039
have been the eighty six season that
I could that I covered him, and

719
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.199
he had been They had run his
mug shot with the game story. This

720
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:28.760
was like five days in a row, and so they are our editors were

721
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:34.000
told, do not, under no
circumstances are you to run his munk shot

722
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.440
in tonight's game story. And then
he went like four for four with the

723
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:42.760
homer and like, what are you
gonna do? You gotta have Eric Bullot's

724
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.559
mug with the game story because he
was one of the better players, a

725
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:49.440
good player. He's a really good
player. Yeah, those days are rememborable,

726
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.480
but not in many ways. Yeah, the guy who helped me a

727
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:54.559
lot too, back in eighty eighty
nine who was fatal because you know,

728
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:59.840
yeah, Mike, Yeah, he
was around. He was around. Another

729
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:04.760
story for regarding the Tucson guy,
Sammy Khalifa, who had been with who

730
00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:07.920
had been with the pirates, with
the pirates, and he got he got

731
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:12.199
sent down to the It was Hawaii
was there was their team, and he

732
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.559
got sent down while his team was
in Tucson. So he had to report

733
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:20.159
to Tucson. He didn't report,
did he He did, but it took

734
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:24.760
forever and they they have seventy two
hours to report, and and Hawaii had

735
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:29.960
a four game series, so he
was going to have to report while he

736
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.480
was while they were still here in
Tucson. And I remember going up to

737
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:37.199
uh their manager said when Sammy didn't
get here, he said, he said,

738
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.159
it's a longer road on the way
down than it is on the way

739
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:44.119
up. And that that was,
you know, and he's one of the

740
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:46.119
better stories that has ever come through
here. Yeah, because he was like

741
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:52.039
a strong draft pick out right,
and then he's kind of he's still around.

742
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:53.559
He made the majors. Yeah,
yeah, and didn't last long,

743
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:57.639
but he he got he got up
there, get up there. So they're

744
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.480
very very cool. Hey, you
know what I think that it was.

745
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:05.679
All of that was was cool.
I mean, how can it be uncool

746
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:07.960
to be covering sure, especially at
our age at that time. No,

747
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:10.480
No, if it's a bad day, you didn't have many of them.

748
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:14.360
You just kind of have to pick
and choose and you know, kind of

749
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:19.199
will work your way around some bad
times. Yeah, and back then the

750
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.119
toros, I think the tours weren't
not that good. When they were not

751
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:25.000
that good, there will be six
seven hundred people at the games. Yeah,

752
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:29.559
but you know, I mean,
okay, covering a spring training day

753
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.960
would mean showing up at the ballpark
one o'clock in the afternoon, you know,

754
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:36.719
not no early ten o'clock in the
morning, because the games were one.

755
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.519
Because you showed up about ten o'clock
ten thirty, stand around the batting

756
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:43.320
cage, find somebody to get a
story with, Go interview him in the

757
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:45.880
locker room right before the game starts. Then watch the game story, write

758
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:49.639
the story during the game, add
a couple of paragraphs about the game,

759
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:52.920
and you were home by five o'clock. Yeah, that was not not a

760
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:55.280
bad day. It is a report. Those are the days when you didn't

761
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:58.400
take your work home with you,
right, you know what I'm saying,

762
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:00.239
when you were covering the team daily, when you're worried about you know,

763
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:04.039
somebody jumping hip or whatever. No, you were, you were done,

764
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.199
and you went back the next day
for the next stort. Yeah. Plus,

765
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:07.880
I don't know what it was.
I've always thought this, and this

766
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:13.159
is gonna you're gonna think this is
dumb. The Cleveland Indians clubhouse guy,

767
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:16.920
they would make, you know,
a meal or the fee food for the

768
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:21.880
media right in the in the in
the little media room or whatever it was.

769
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:24.079
And I don't know what it was. But this guy made the best

770
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:30.280
tuna ever. And I don't know
how he did it. I've always tried

771
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:34.000
to figure out. Was it because
he drained the oil and the water better

772
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:36.880
than I can. You know,
I opened a can of tuna today and

773
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:38.960
I squeezed it really hard. Thing
about this guy that there was something to

774
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:43.320
how he made his tuna, that
it was to the you know, forty

775
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:46.239
years later, I think about this
guy's tuna and I'd have a tuna sandwich

776
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:51.039
every day. Yep. And it
was and it was awesome back in the

777
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:53.559
late eighties. Yeah, yeah,
the good old days. As we like

778
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:57.599
to call him. Now, Okay, you know, in fact, fifteen

779
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:00.199
years ago, and I don't know
if your your wife. I think guy

780
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:04.280
saw a post fifteen years ago yesterday, right, the citizen closed, closing

781
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:07.559
of the citizens. So she brought
that up yesterday and I was gonna post

782
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:09.559
of something today thinking that it was
today, but it was yesterday. Is

783
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:13.800
this how our lives all changed,
including yours, because she had a job,

784
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:15.039
you know, she had a job, and then she didn't have a

785
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.840
job, and she didn't have a
job, and it was you know,

786
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:22.280
and it reminds me of you know, that kind of started the I don't

787
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:23.440
know if it started, because I'm
sure it went on before. But you

788
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:27.719
know, it's not the one newspaper
town. The media business is not the

789
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.360
same. TV stations like Channel four
has gone through its stuff, other stations

790
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:35.400
have gone through their stuff. It's
just a totally different came. Well,

791
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:37.840
yeah, that was you know,
that was as the landscape was changing,

792
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:39.920
and that was you know, they
were a casualty of that of that changing

793
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:43.880
landscape. And you know in the
paper, look at the start of no

794
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:46.880
it's half of what probably even that
man, it's a shell of itself.

795
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:51.639
I mean that newsroom, Steve was
just there were people in it. I've

796
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:54.519
got an old picture even before what
the newsroom looks like today with it,

797
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:59.800
you know, I mean we're talking
to probably like an early nineteen eighties photo

798
00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:02.039
of the news of people. And
it was buzzy, and it was busy.

799
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:06.239
There were people at every desk and
and you know, some reporters,

800
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:07.920
a lot of reporters didn't have their
own desk. Like I worked at the

801
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:10.920
police station. So if I had
to go down to this to the office

802
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:14.760
to write a story, I just
had to find an empty desk to go

803
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:17.599
sit at. Yeah, no,
just a you know, a computer,

804
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:23.079
a desk that had a computer.
I did eventually, yeah, not until

805
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:28.519
I was working covering sports. But
you know, like as a sports writer,

806
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:30.360
none of us had our own desk. You just worked at whatever desk

807
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:34.199
was empty, and you try to
get there at a certain time to get

808
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.199
a certain desk and stuff. I
mean, that's how busy it was that

809
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:38.719
there wasn't even room for everybody to
have a desk. And it was a

810
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:43.360
big office. Okay, oh good, good to go through memory lane.

811
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:45.320
People are saying, shut up,
alright, okay, so we'll shut up

812
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:49.519
we'll shut up right now and go
take a correction, right, will have

813
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breaking news, yep, load it
up, okay man, So breaking news

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coming up. Uh. Then we've
got another great guest coming up. Uh

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uh Matt Moreno, we'll talk about
a lot of recruiting stuff. There's just

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the buzz from that just never ends, and it just doesn't so we'll have

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more of that to go. So
all right, let's take our break and

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we'll be back with breaking news.