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Let's get into it. 10 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:50.640 You are Locked On Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast, part of the 11 00:00:50.719 --> 00:01:11.680 Locked On podcast network, Your team every day. What's going on football fans. 12 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:18.000 It's time for another crossover here on the Locked On podcast at KADAC. 13 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:23.239 Let's go from Locked On Bengals He's Luke Brown from Locked On Vikings for this 14 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:27.799 week's prize picks Crossover Vikings Bengals. Like I mentioned, backup quarterbacks, fringe 15 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:30.959 playoff teams. We're gonna get into the biggest stories the biggest matchups. The 16 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:37.280 keys to victory for these teams in this episode is sponsored by Prize Picks, 17 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:40.719 the easiest and most exciting way to play daily fantasy sports at prize picks dot 18 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:45.040 com. 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The Vikings are starting 27 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:27.879 Nick Mullins and that's the fourth starting quarterback the Vikings have had this year. 28 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:30.680 They had Kirk Cousins get hurt in Week eight. Jaren Hall started the next 29 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:35.120 game, got concussed, immediately lost his job to Joshua Dobbs, who just 30 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:38.039 lost his job to Mullins last week and now officially they're moving forward with Mullins. 31 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:42.000 So we don't really know a lot about Mullen. We haven't seen him 32 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:43.879 play for the Vikings a lot. I mean, we've seen a lot of 33 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:47.759 Mullins over you know, in San Francisco and Vegas and stuff, but he's 34 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:52.639 fairly new to us as Vikings fans. He's a little bit more stable. 35 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:53.719 I think if you got Dobbs, I'd be telling you, man, like, 36 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:57.680 you can really get this guy to mess up and throw stupid interceptions or 37 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:00.840 he'll he'll you know, be in the grasp of a and well just wing 38 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:05.719 the ball out and he's he threw two interceptions to nose tackles in his brief 39 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:09.159 stint as a Viking. Like he'll do that kind of stuff. Nick Mullins 40 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:13.759 has some of that, Like he's not the safest guy. This is not 41 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:15.879 like I've been saying. You know, we had Sean Mannion as a backup 42 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:21.280 for a few years. This isn't Sean Mannion where nothing will happen. He'll 43 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:24.400 still get outside the pocket if he can, if he if there's an opportunity 44 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:30.520 to and and maybe scramble He's a fast ish but not that fast. But 45 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:36.159 what's important is that the rhythm is proper with him. He's on time, 46 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:38.199 he's in, he's delivering the ball where it is supposed to be, not 47 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:43.319 a crazy arm, not a lot of talent as compared to guys that are 48 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:46.080 on purpose starters in this league. You know, he's not this dude just 49 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:49.360 dripping with these crazy deep balls or something like that. But like he can 50 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:52.800 throw a corner route like he can. He can he can hit that throw 51 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:59.199 and ideally we live in a world where this game came down to something else 52 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:01.759 and he just played a litle bit of point guard. Are you expecting then 53 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:06.680 this like heavy play action, screen game, running game kind of approach from 54 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:11.319 the Vikings, because that's what the Bengals have seen as a change of pace 55 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:15.079 for their offense with Jake Browning. Interesting, No, I don't think so. 56 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:19.199 Mullins has been trained in the Kirk Cousins offense, so he'll do what 57 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:25.480 Kirk Cousins did, which there's some of the movement stuff and play action stuff, 58 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:31.720 but like they are Kevin O'Connell as opposed to the Koubias who were here, 59 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:36.040 or even like McVeigh and Shanahan themselves. Zach Taylor a lot more interested 60 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:41.319 in the drop back game, just straight dropbacks, you know, five routes, 61 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:46.600 five wide, attacking you know, middlefield safeties and attacking half safeties and 62 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:50.680 trying to sort of whiteboard his way through those games with just drop back stuff 63 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:57.759 rather than the rollouts. They're kind of our version of quick game where instead 64 00:04:57.759 --> 00:05:01.759 of running like slamp flat, will run a little keeper slide and check it 65 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:04.519 down to the tight end for three yards. And that's kind of our like, 66 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:09.279 you know, easy, get into rhythm kind of play. But it 67 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:13.199 very much serves only that purpose. They don't really use it so much as 68 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:16.519 a shot play anymore because defenses are just too keyed into that. Instead, 69 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:20.240 their shot plays are you know, drop back maybe play action, but not 70 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:26.199 like rollout play action and you know, go balls down the sideline or deepost 71 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:28.920 to Jordan Dattison, that kind of stuff. And of course we'll talk about 72 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:31.120 the return of Justin Jefferson. But I do find that interesting and it is 73 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:34.839 that's really interesting, yeah, something that well, I mean, just leaning 74 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:39.560 on a backup to just continue to live in the drop back world, to 75 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:44.360 watching what has happened when they asked Jake Browning to do that in Cincinnati against 76 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:46.560 Pittsburgh a few weeks ago, and it was just a disaster. And then 77 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:51.800 this total transformation against Givens schematically very different teams and the Indianapolis Colts and Jacksonville 78 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:57.360 Chaguars on defense, the Bengals started to live in this under center play action, 79 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:00.680 no more Emphy. We're going to run the ball well, arguably more, 80 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:04.800 although if you look only at more neutral gamescript situations, it's actually the 81 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:12.600 same run pass split which is on the athletic pointed out, but a lot 82 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.279 more play action screen stuff from the Bengals, a lot less we're gonna ask 83 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:19.439 to true past that kind of pass protection, straight dropback game from them. 84 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:24.439 Less quick game that you do a lot with Joe Burrow where they go empty 85 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:27.720 some five guys in theide a lot hard Burrow wants to live. It is 86 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:30.480 a lot harder. So that's why I'm surprised to hear you say that that's 87 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.120 how they want to live with Nick Mallins. Yeah, because that's what Nick 88 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:38.199 Mullin said. I think that's more of an O'Connell thing. This is fascinating 89 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:41.000 because these two head coaches have the same dad. They're both off off of 90 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:46.040 McVeigh staff. Yeah, and so when you get a different backup quarterback, 91 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:47.279 but that might just be a different I mean, that's that's what Jake Browning 92 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:49.879 did a lot at Washington too, right, So like that's just his skill 93 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:55.720 set. Mullins has been in these Shanahan systems a lot, and he's so 94 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:59.879 far showed an ability to like read these things out and get the ball moving. 95 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.160 I don't think he throws that well on the run, So that might 96 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:06.839 be the difference is you know, getting him out and moving him out into 97 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:11.000 the flats and moving the pocket and stuff might not be better for him. 98 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:13.399 He might be better at hit the thing at the top of your drop and 99 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:15.519 you're just not going to see like a wow, Josh Allen kind of you 100 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.759 know, layer it in over to like he'll be a little bit safer with 101 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:23.639 it. But right now, because the other headline of the Vikings is that 102 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:28.040 the defense is playing out of its skull, we just kind of want like 103 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:30.560 no turnovers, like just don't do anything crazy. We'll take our you know, 104 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:35.120 go score eighteen points and we'll be fine. Like we'll kick a few 105 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:38.959 field goals. We'll try to win this like back in the day when Mike 106 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:42.879 Zimmer was winning games sixteen to ten, And that might be the way that 107 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:46.439 this team kind of lives down the stretch here is by trying to really like 108 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:50.439 collapse the game and lean on the defense more. And I was talking to 109 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:55.120 a mutual friend, the guy that we both know Mike's antagony yesterday about this 110 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:57.399 and saying like, hey, look, I the Vengals can get to twenty 111 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:01.680 and in these games on the stretch of Vikings Steelers, not so much the 112 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:07.319 Chiefs maybe, but Brown's like, against these backup quarterbacks with good defenses getting 113 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:09.800 to twenty, I think it's going to be tough. And we'll talk about 114 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:13.720 this defense because I think that's one of the matchups and stories is incredibly intriguing 115 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:18.480 to me this week from a Bengals perspective, going from Gus Bradley to Brian 116 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:24.360 Flores, you could not get more different in terms of the style of defenses 117 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:28.279 that Jake Browning at quarterback and Zach Taylor on the offensive side of the ball 118 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:31.839 going to prepare for and see this week. But you talk about taking care 119 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:33.399 of the ball, it does not appear to be one of Nick Mullen's strengths. 120 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:37.519 Just looking at the PFF day to hear Luke for what it's worth, 121 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:41.559 they've got him. The last time he played a lot was twenty twenty, 122 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:45.559 so it's been a while. But he is a career turnover worthy play rate 123 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:48.840 at four and a half percent thirty three turnover worthy plays just two and a 124 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:54.960 half percent for big time throws seventeen. That's nothing. That's where we four 125 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:58.559 and a half for breakfast. I'm not kidding like the other two guys are 126 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:01.519 so much more. Who did this a ton at BYU and Josh Dobbs, 127 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:05.559 who just threw four in a game a couple of weeks ago. I think 128 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:09.440 about that number. Great, that's the best we got, is what I'll 129 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:13.200 say about that number. But turnovers have been the story of the Vikings this 130 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:16.799 whole year. They've fumbled, they've thrown interceptions. They've had games where they 131 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:18.720 turn it over three times in the first half and have to dig themselves out 132 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:22.519 of a hole. And sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, and that's 133 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:24.440 kind of where it is. But if they can get through a game without 134 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:28.879 turning the ball over, then they stand a much better chance at success. 135 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:33.600 The Bengals one of the top teams in the NFL at turning over opposing offenses, 136 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:35.960 and we'll see how that comes up as a factor this week, because 137 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:41.360 I really want to focus on these defenses. I think that it could be 138 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:45.039 a bit of a defensive struggle. 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I do believe that it is deranged. 177 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:37.720 Yes, And the style of defense that is blitz heavy, that is disguised 178 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:43.000 heavy, where last week the Bengals picked apart August Bradley defense is sending four 179 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:52.840 and playing single high almost the entire game. That disparate approach, that juxtaposition. 180 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:56.480 I'm fascinated to see how the Bengals deal with it, because they've been 181 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:00.679 very good this year. Attacking teams would like to send their defense events flying 182 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.759 upfield in the screen game with Designer Runs talked about that a lot on yesterday's 183 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:09.360 episode of Lockdown Bengals. But we also saw Jake Browning look like a deer 184 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:13.399 in headlights against the Pittsburgh Steelers, a better defense like the Vikings, but 185 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.679 also stylistically very different, super different. Yeah, so okay, the Floraes. 186 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:22.240 You haven't seen anything like the Flora's defense, and you won't for the 187 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:26.679 rest of the year either. It's about sixty percent Belichick and Pat and ar 188 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:31.720 Doozy Pittsburgh Panthers, which Flores got from his year with the Steelers last year. 189 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:33.799 They share a practice field, so we like watched some tape and like 190 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:39.559 took some ideas from them. But basically the question of it is, and 191 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:41.799 this is a question I always have for people in these crossovers, what is 192 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:46.240 your favorite blitz counter? What Zach Taylor's favorite blitz counter when when he's got 193 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:50.600 when you when you see eight guys on the line of scrimmage, everybody's coming 194 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:54.600 quarterback, do they check into something? Is there a hot read? Is 195 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:58.320 it just we're gonna call a lot of screens and hope that we can punish 196 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:03.720 that. What's the move? We've seen that answer change, of course without 197 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.759 Joe Burrow, But I think it isn't one thing. They will be hot 198 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:11.480 at times. They will try to call screens at the right time at times 199 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:13.200 and try to push the right button. But the other thing that they've always 200 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:18.279 got in their pocket, and this is something that I think is fascinating hearing 201 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:22.200 you asked that question. Is I'm just gonna throw it up to Jamar Chaser 202 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:26.080 T Higgins on a go ball if there's nobody back help, that's three step 203 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:30.320 drop and just peeve it. Okay. There are a few options, I 204 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:33.559 think, And the other one is that occasionally they'll go max protect and try 205 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:37.840 to pick it up. But with a backup quarterback or I've been scolded for 206 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:41.279 this a guy who was a backup quarterback and is now starting his third game. 207 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:48.000 Semantics he's a backup, Yeah, well he need see's not on purpose? 208 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:54.679 You know. Those answers a little bit from when Joe Burrow is a 209 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.039 quarterback. Got it. So the go routes really interesting. We haven't seen 210 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:01.600 that. We've seen a a lot of people trying for the screens and the 211 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:05.080 quick stuff. You know, let's just hit like a Dart rpo or let's 212 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:09.399 hit like you know something that's one step in throw or three steps in throw. 213 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:13.600 Slants and stuff like that. The slants don't work as well because they 214 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:16.519 changed a lot of the stuff they were doing on the back end into like 215 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:26.000 some some zone looks that would pick off a slant like they're dropping. Yeah, 216 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:31.240 exactly. So part of like a really key thing is when they are 217 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:35.960 in they call their uh max pressure formation. That look that usually only see 218 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:41.159 on third downs is their Bengal package. And the blitz rules out of that 219 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:46.960 are based on how the offensive line slides their protection. Someone drops out, 220 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:50.320 someone will will come, and so you'll have kind of depending on what the 221 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:56.200 offense does, determines how many people come and blitz. And the idea is 222 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:58.600 that you always have one more than is protecting. So if you do want 223 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:02.879 to do max protect, we're sending eight people if you have seven blockers, 224 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:04.440 right, or if you have eight blockers. We're sending nine for that, 225 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:10.320 like that's gonna be how those things work, and then people will will drop 226 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:15.120 out based on the protection slide so that those like quick windows are still taken. 227 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:21.279 And then you'll have corners playing really far off eyes on the quarterback one 228 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:25.200 two, I snapped the receiver, and then you're probably breaking on something because 229 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:27.639 usually guys will throw like little hitches against that, so it's one two break 230 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:30.399 or one two eyes to the receiver and then you play Manda Man from there. 231 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:37.120 But what could be interesting is if Jake Browning wants to just take that 232 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:41.320 under center three steps, throw something up to Jamar Chase, and you're you're 233 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:45.039 attacking a matchup that is really interesting and probably one of the biggest ones, 234 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:51.360 which is Jamar Chase versus I would guess Byron Murphy, but they might play 235 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:53.720 sides and let Jamar Chase go up against a Caleb Evans who's a bigger corner 236 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:02.000 and has been playing lights out by the way the That would be an interesting 237 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:06.960 matchup to test, but it's dangerous because if you check into that, if 238 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:10.440 Jake Browning says, oh, they're coming, I'm throwing this go ball pre 239 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:15.240 snap, it might be a max cover. Look where we only rush three 240 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.039 and now you've got safeties lurking over the top that are going to pick the 241 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:21.200 heck out of that thing, right, So you have to be really really 242 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:25.799 careful about how you do that. Nobody has really figured out a good consistent 243 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:29.000 answer to the Floores defense yet now that it has really hit its stride and 244 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:30.920 they've kind of worked out the kinks over the first half of the season. 245 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:37.119 But I kind of said on my show yesterday, Zach Taylor's turned to try 246 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.440 to figure this out. Now he's a pretty good offensive mind. And then 247 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:44.400 Ben Johnson gets a couple of cracks and Matt Lafleur gets a crack. So 248 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:48.720 somebody's going to figure something out here and we'll see what can consistently work. 249 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.720 I do think that it is a challenge just because the answers they've had the 250 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:56.680 last couple of weeks, maybe they aren't there the same way. How are 251 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:02.200 they the vikings against you know, those designer runs like crack toss, wham 252 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:07.319 trap, those sorts of things. All of that stuff gets so much easier 253 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:14.039 because of the fronts that they use that they will do. Like I wonder 254 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:17.319 what front they'll live in because usually they'll base out of either four three or 255 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:19.920 three four and then they'll kind of adjust from there, and it depends on 256 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:25.039 it's a game plan thing. So against those, I'm gonna guess that they 257 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:30.119 would want even spacing, but that's super a guess, and then they'll usually 258 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:34.440 either shift into like tilt fronts that are like six' one six guys on 259 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:37.720 the line of scrimmage, or they'll have a five man front and then bring 260 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.400 down another person as like an overhang defender that's a six person, so they 261 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:45.880 want six on the line of scrimmage, which makes it a lot much we've 262 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:51.119 seen against the McVeigh tree running attacks. So going back to like the Patriots 263 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:53.160 a few years ago, right right, that's the Belichick part. That's the 264 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:57.759 stuff that Flora still has from his days in New England, and it breaks 265 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:00.519 up all those double teams in like and stuff like that. But against those 266 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:06.359 kind of designed tricky trapwham kind of family of things, it also puts guys 267 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:10.799 in every gap and it means it makes it really hard to protect the puller. 268 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:15.119 Like if your guard pulls to either do trap or power or whatever it 269 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:18.640 is, it's really hard for that tackle to or that center, whoever it 270 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:22.880 is, to collapse that gap, because there is somebody in every single gap, 271 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:26.880 So like he's got his own thing to do and now he's pinned down 272 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:30.240 by somebody else. Just having that those extra guys on the line of scrimmage 273 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:33.480 helps quite a bit. And the disadvantage is that you throw over the top 274 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:36.079 of it a ton, but it's really hard to do that if we're also 275 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:38.799 sending seven all the time. Yeah, I think that that is the chess 276 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:41.559 game. And what, yeah, the Bengals will have to figure out is 277 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:47.480 the pre snap post snap diagnosis or just putting Jake Browning in a position where 278 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:51.759 he has answers something with Joe Burrow that I feel more confident about, right 279 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:55.359 because he's so good at processing post snap and so good at seeing the entire 280 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:57.839 field and figuring out where he needs to go and when at a very very 281 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:03.720 high rate of a f and accuracy. And then with Jake Browning, we 282 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:07.640 haven't seen him have to make those diagnoses nearly as often. So that's why 283 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:15.839 we just spent eight minutes talking about that particular schematic chess match, because I 284 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.480 think that that is such a crux of this game. Yeah, I also 285 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:22.880 do want to talk about Justin Jefferson's return and some of the players in this 286 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:26.039 game as well. I haven't paid Junior maybe one that you didn't expect me 287 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:27.240 to want to bring up, but a guy that a lot of Bengals fans 288 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:30.640 know in er Oh yeah sure because of this if it's a player of the 289 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:34.559 week, is that the game of his life? Well? And two weeks 290 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:37.759 removed from Jake Browning being the AFC Offensive Player of the Week, so we 291 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:45.200 got some undrafted Oh Award winners in this Tommy DeVito was was NFC Offensive Player 292 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:49.400 of the Week this week too. Really yeah what during this NFL season. 293 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:55.440 Oh we'll continue with a couple more comments on some of the key players and 294 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:59.799 matchups in this game before we wrap up this week's crossover coming up next. 295 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:04.279 Today's episode of Locked On Vikings then Locked On Bengals is brought to you by 296 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:08.200 FanDuel, America's number one sports book. And it's America's number one sports book 297 00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:12.240 for a reason. That's because if you are new to FanDuel, you can 298 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:15.880 sign up right now at fandle dot com. 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We got to talk about my biggest matchup for an entire 324 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:04.279 segment, so I just wanted to open the floor up to you to sharing 325 00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:10.599 up any other matchups or players that you're highlighting are interested in talking about this 326 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:14.440 week. So I'm really excited to see what the Vikings can do with Jefferson. 327 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:17.599 We haven't really seen Jefferson since he got hurt in Week five against the 328 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:19.759 Chiefs. We saw him for less than a quarter against the Raiders, and 329 00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:23.799 then he got hurt again. That did knock him out of the game, 330 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:26.200 but he's already announced that it's not going to knock him out for anymore. 331 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:30.400 He's going to play through it. He got an internal bruise in that game 332 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:33.720 and had to go to the hospital to get that checked out, so kinda 333 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:36.400 gnarly, but I guess it heals up pretty quick, so he's good to 334 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:42.599 go. But then my question is what is the Bengals move for Superstar got 335 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:45.519 to know where he is at all times kind of receivers. Yeah, that 336 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:49.000 will be the question this week. The Bengals once again without Cam Taylor Britt 337 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:53.079 who's on injured reserve, so it'll be a mix of Chenobe Aboose of DJ 338 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:59.799 Turner there. I don't think there will be a shadow necessarily for those such 339 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:04.799 as when they're not bracketing or clouding. Justin Jefferson, we even saw something 340 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:08.680 that a lot though I imagine there will be a lot of that. They 341 00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:12.880 haven't I'm trying to make sure I'm not going to put my foot in my 342 00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:17.960 mouth that they haven't played a ton of star receivers this year. They did 343 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:23.839 see Stefan Diggs and the Buffalo Bills, but I feel like they haven't seen 344 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:30.599 that superstar wide receiver a ton this year, and the defense has been very 345 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:34.640 prone to explosive place And so that's where Justin Jefferson and even Jordan Addison, 346 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:38.240 even TJ. Hockinson, where they've had issues with tight ends. For sure, 347 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:44.200 at times like those guys are a little bit intimidating. But then I 348 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:47.920 look at the Vikings offensive line and outside of Christian Derrisa, especially if O'Neil 349 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:52.039 doesn't play, I think that there's some things there that should just get Nick 350 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:59.240 Mullen's uncomfortable office spot. That's how you want to try to neutralize these weapons 351 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:00.960 that are a little bit s career that you have to scheme up a solution 352 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:03.599 for. If you're doing a rumo, who's gonna throw a lot at you? 353 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:07.640 He's not gonna be yea yeah he he he likes his his like exotic 354 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:11.519 six man rushes. Right, You'll you'll see well, I mean when you're 355 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:17.519 describing the yeah five often corner slot corner stuff with Mike Hilton, often some 356 00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:21.960 safety stuff with Jordan Battle and Dax Hill from time to time. Occasionally you'll 357 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:25.359 you'll see some Yeah, I mean when you're describing the way floors likes to 358 00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:27.119 sound pressure. There's some of that in the Bengal system as well, where 359 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:32.559 they will read rush and drop out if guys stay in, and that sort 360 00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:34.920 of thing with running backs and stuff. Yeah, yeah, stuff like that. 361 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:40.880 You'll see where where linebackers will show blitz and then like bluff the blitz 362 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:45.240 and back out that that sort of stuff. But but I don't have a 363 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:49.880 great answer for you as far as what they're doing this year on a consistent 364 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:52.839 basis to deal with that kind of receiver, just because they have probably by 365 00:25:52.880 --> 00:26:00.240 design. Yeah. Yeah, Well, so the Vikings offensive line has been 366 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:03.160 lights out this year, which is weird. We haven't had that in a 367 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:07.079 decade. But they've been phenomenal. They're a little banged up right now with 368 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:11.559 Brian O'Neill, who's didn't practice on Tuesday or Wednesday, or estimated not to 369 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:15.039 practice on Tuesday, but also didn't practice for you on Wednesday, so I 370 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.799 wouldn't expect him to go. He's got a sprained ankle that would put in 371 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:21.960 David Questenberry, who is Yeah, I'm gonna need some help over there with 372 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:26.039 some chips and stuff, but otherwise with Ed Ingram who's improved quite a bit, 373 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:30.039 Garrett Bradbury improved quite a bit, and Dalton Reisner who they brought in 374 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:34.960 in the middle of the season and Ezra Cleveland got hurt. Riisner came in, 375 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.160 the Vikings didn't skip a beat and they actually traded Cleveland away they were 376 00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:41.799 so happy with him. I kind of have disagreed with that move. But 377 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:47.480 it's been a good unit in terms of just straight up one on one pass 378 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:52.599 bro and a lot of the pressure that they've suffered in the last few weeks 379 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:57.680 has been quarterbacks running into it, particularly Dobbs kind of rushing into pressure, 380 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:03.240 choosing the Rushlan's ruining his angles and stuff like that. Yeah, but though 381 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:07.599 I don't put it on them as much at least lately, but obviously, 382 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:10.920 you know, you put in backups, it all changes. Yeah, And 383 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:14.359 that's that's what I'm looking at. With O'Neil potentially missing the game, Yeah, 384 00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:15.039 I look at that. But then on the other side, like the 385 00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:19.920 Bengals by far most explosive and destructive pass rusher as Trey Hendrickson, who's going 386 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.960 against a guy who's been fantastic and Christian daris On Hendrickson. Will he be 387 00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:30.119 up? Will be he on the the whole time unless they make a dramatic 388 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.319 change of plans to take advantage of a potential backup on the other side, 389 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:37.640 Trey Hendrickson lines up at right end. That's a sick matchup that will be 390 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:41.720 must see TV. I think because Darrisaw has been he was He was better 391 00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:45.839 last year than he has been this year. I think, Uh, he's 392 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.799 been a little less consistent this year, but like just in one on one 393 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:56.640 spots, he's still as good as it gets. He anchors like crazy, 394 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:00.440 like anything that's speed to power on him, Like you can get into his 395 00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:04.759 chest and he's one hop and he is down. Like the athleticism and flexibility 396 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:10.599 of it. He's so crazy. Uh, And he'll get in your head 397 00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:12.079 a little bit too on the runs and you know, a little extra shove 398 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:18.920 here and there. He's kind of a mean, nasty guy that plays so 399 00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:25.319 physically. I've been saying since I scouted him at Virginia, like Darisaw takes 400 00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:27.279 the fun out of football, Like it just looks miserable to play against him. 401 00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:32.960 Yeah, it'll be an endurance thing as much as anything you know Trey 402 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.200 Henderson's gonna be talking the entire game too. That's gonna be That's gonna be 403 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:40.759 so fun. Is known on the Bengals be one of the better trash tar 404 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.039 because which like I feel like the great Well, don't think about Trey Hendrickson. 405 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:47.799 You gotta get him on the interior because Bradbury is a hot head and 406 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:52.160 Reisner talks a little bit too. Darisaw is pretty quiet, he's pretty like 407 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:56.799 head down kind of terminator style. But the interior guys will will have a 408 00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:57.960 word with you, so you gotta stunt him on the inside. You know, 409 00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:00.720 see if you can't get guys to go a little bit too hard, 410 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:04.599 draw fifteen yard flag, that kind of deal. And interestingly, where I 411 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:07.519 think the stunts wellcome is going to be on the other side, Sam Hubbard 412 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:12.640 bj hill of combined for a pretty nasty game and twist and power stuff. 413 00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:15.279 That's the side that struggle with it more right, So that would be the 414 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:18.480 move right, that'll be interesting to watch. I think that the whole game 415 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:22.240 plan for the Bengals on defense is going to be trying to muddy the picture 416 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:26.759 for Nick Mullins, make him think and make him put the offensive line in 417 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.000 a bad spot because I'm not. After the way the Bengals defense stepped up 418 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.400 in the run game last week, I have a little bit more confidence in 419 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.519 them against a running game. This averaging like the Bengals three point nine yards 420 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.599 per carry does not look to me from the outside to be the most efficient 421 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:42.720 running game. To make Nick Mullens have to beat them, and yes, 422 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:48.960 Justin Jefferson can certainly do that. But I think that if they can make 423 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:52.119 it a Nick Mullens drop back and beat us kind of game, that's where 424 00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:56.319 the Bengals are going to want to live on. Defense makes sense. This 425 00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:00.880 game is on fan duel over under forty. It feels high. Yeah, 426 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:04.400 that's exactly what I was gonna say. Retaking the over there like first to 427 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:11.440 twenty wins kind of game will be there for hours, maybe even seventeen. 428 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.079 Yeah, yeah, first to seventeen. I mean it's gonna be. Here's 429 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:15.920 what I think this game comes down. Do you want to key to the 430 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.440 game? I say it every time. I sound like a broken record. 431 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:21.720 It's not an interesting answer, but it's the right one. It's turnovers. 432 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.759 Yeah, whoever turns the ball over or whoever protects the ball better, I 433 00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:29.480 will say, will win the game because you know, if the Bengals are 434 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.839 going to play a lot of aggressive defense, try to generate turnovers. The 435 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:34.920 Vikings have been turnover prone. If I'm walking away from the Vikings with the 436 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:38.880 loss, I'm probably going to foresee that I'm blaming that. But on the 437 00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:41.960 other hand, if the Vikings can be safe, protect the ball and let 438 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.680 their defense do what it does, they get it really hard to beat. 439 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.519 Yeah, I think defensive struggle in this one. The defensive plays better wins. 440 00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:52.359 But the the X factor I'm going to throw out there is special teams 441 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:57.400 always can be boy a real wild card. The Bengals have not had great 442 00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:02.400 success punting the ball this year, and they've gotten away with some stuff. 443 00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:07.519 Their punk game has not been great. Let's say they've been pretty good in 444 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.200 the kick return game, which I know they're talking about changing kick return rules 445 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:14.960 again. But if they have opportunities there to get short fields Like short fields 446 00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:18.559 and turnovers are things that you're looking at this week as far as witching points 447 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:25.160 out and justin Jefferson Jamar Chase getting loose and getting explosive touchdowns here there like 448 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:29.440 these are the ways that their points are. I'm not imagining long, drawn 449 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:33.519 out, grindy drives. It's gonna come down to like specific moments rather than 450 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:38.960 this sort of sustained like the like there's a really good chance that like the 451 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:44.519 overall EPA or success rate of this game does not match the results of this 452 00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.759 game, you know, because it'll come down to, yeah, that explosive 453 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.640 or that short field when it's it's hard to move the ball. Otherwise you 454 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:55.799 need to just kind of snap one big one off on in any phase or 455 00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:59.599 this is a week But Brian Flora's defense gets figured out, I don't think 456 00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:01.839 maybe, but I mean it's it's tough with a backup, you know, 457 00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:07.519 you're just kind of trying to survive by that point. But well, and 458 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:12.039 and they're feeling good about themselves right now. They're feeling great about their screen 459 00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:15.279 game. But I do think that the stylistic defenses differences on defense are going 460 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:20.039 to be very difficult and and something interesting. It's going to be fascinating to 461 00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.680 watch from more on this game. Locktow Vikings, Locktime Bengals will have you 462 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:27.640 covered both before and after the game. You've got on more shows this week, 463 00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.079 and then we've got post game shows of course as well here on the 464 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:36.000 Lockdown Podcast Network. So until then, thanks for listening to this crossover and 465 00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:42.640 enjoy your weekend. Joe Marino here, host of Lockdown Bills, and you 466 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.519 gotta check out butcher Box. We're all looking for high quality meat and seafood 467 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:49.440 at a great price, but sometimes that could be hard to find. 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