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We're going to bring on our special guest. His name is Jeremy. Jeremy,
thank you so much for joining us tonight. Hey, Jeorge, it's
my pleasure. I'm really sided to talk with you, big listener of the
show. It's just I really appreciate it, and I'm it feels kind of
surreal to it. And this is my first time really publicly even having a
discussion about this, even though I've talked about it a lot with people close
to me. Yes, that that is certainly a lot of the people coming
on that that that is the case. And one of the things that I
always say is I hope it does give you know, having this experience,
I hope it gives people the confidence to talk about it in public more because
you know, in the in the coming days, weeks, and months,
with everything going on in the world, I think it may take people with
strong conviction to speak the truth in a time where maybe we were less apt
to discuss these type of things. Would you agree with that? I agree
one hundred percent. And as someone like I'm very I'm a communicator by nature,
and I'm I also wear my heart on my sleeve and I'm I'm not
afraid to share truth with grace or my perspective or my experience. I do
it all the time publicly, but I've only been a believer in beginning to
comprehend the Biblical cosmology for probably two years if that, and this just feels
different, like I'm there's There's never been anything that I've discovered and learned about
and wanted to communicate that felt like it would. It's so intimidating, you
know. It's it's so because it is a religion that our entire culture believes
but doesn't know it's a religion. And so when you speak about it,
just like I always say, no one could have ever convinced me the earth
was flat, no one period. It took my It took me looking into
it to prove to my own ego that I would write to pull those walls
down. And that's all it took for me to realize it's actually a lot
more logical than the memes or the common descriptions and analysis you know applied to
it. Well done, and I have a million questions to ask you before
we get too far into it. I should ask you to introduce yourself again,
as little as much as you'd like to tell yourself about the audience and
your journey to the truth. Sure, my name's Jeremy. I do a
lot of things. But I am currently a worship pastor at a decent sized
church, not a large church, but a decent sized church of about three
or four hundred people. And I my father is a politician on the nation
level. And I've been married for fourteen years to a loving wife. We
had our first kid last year. I was the lead pastor of a church
in twenty twelve and now I do this, do the worship with a group
of twelve people that I really love. And I also have a business of
my own and finance and then I do the marketing for a couple of local
businesses. So super busy. But the things I do that I actually enjoyed
doing are the things that involved sharing and communicating truth and helping people, you
know, connect with our creator. That's the stuff I'm passionate about. That's
fantastic. And another question I'd like to ask everyone is where Because we talked
before we hit the record button about you have been in the conspiracy roalm for
many, many, many years, and we also talked about how different,
like you mentioned in the beginning, how different the flat Earth conspiracy is like
some of you find out something JFK this and that, and it's kind of
huh, that's interesting. But the flat Earth is it's a game change.
Everybody who is a flat earther has gone through that to some extent. What
were the other I guess talking in your journey to I guess twenty twenty one
would have been when you came about to flat Earth? What were the big
ones that started to like? I think for me at least, it was
I had to break down many of the other conspiracies and accept them before I
could have ever thought of looking into flat Earth. Yeah, I think the
amount we're willing to be open to the potential implications of something being true kind
of determines our willingness to even put it on the table and examine it.
So, going back to probably seven A, I am definitely counterculturists. I'm
not your typical like Christian, much less pastor. I'm a rebel at heart.
I do my I've always done my own thing as a Christian that changes
and I my transformation is from the prodigal side, though not the judgment side.
But given all that, the first couple things were really around like the
build of Berg. And then nine to eleven was the first couple of things.
And the weird thing looking back now is like it was like the implications
of me choosing that to be true, the conspiracies to be true weren't so
great in my life. To me, it was almost like a form of
entertainment. I'm a curious person and so my brain loves to think about these
possibilities and how absurd that might be. And then I continued on that journey
of you know, curiosity and like beginning to see you know, but it
didn't flip my whole world upside down. I was like, these things could
be conspiracies, but there's no telling why or what, and overall they're probably
just blips on the radar. And then when we got to twenty fifteen and
twenty sixteen and the media flipped the switch, to me, it looked like
the media became obviously agenda driven, propaganda and divisive and they were telling lies
that like I said, my family is in politics or in politics at that
time, and I followed stuff closely, and I even knew some of the
people they were, you know, lying about and stuff. And I'm not
saying I know who's good or who's bad, because trust me, I don't,
but I'm saying I knew that the media flipped a switch where they just
started saying whatever they wanted they would help their agenda. And at that point
in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, it got more serious because then obviously the president
came under accusations of colluding with a foreign nation. That's a very serious accusation.
And that point it kind of notched up a little bit because now I'm
like, oh, this is affecting relationships with people I know and their relationships
with each other because they're being divided, and it's actually causing tension in real
life with my relationships and the relationships of almost everyone I knew in some way
or another. And that's the point when it was kind of like, oh,
these conspiracies are actually they have serious implications. And I'd say from like
twenty sixteen into COVID, I'd like, in my mind, I had mastered
the information that was available as far as what the world is and how it's
operated. And when COVID hit, I immediately like, and I'm not just
saying this, there's a lot of people out there that are just like this.
So I'm not patting myself on the back. But I called it from
I mean, from the day they mentioned it, and then the lockdowns,
and then where that was gonna go, and then as soon as they mentioned
the special medicine, you know, and I've never I at that point,
I had never had a single thought in my life about vaccines. I was
in the military. I had never although as an adult, I will say
I don't go to the doctor and I don't get shots that aren't going to
like actually help me in a noticeable beneficial way, even back you know,
going back to two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight. But intuitively
I knew immediately when they announced the special medicine. And my wife is a
restatory therapist, so she's in the mix, and she's kind of trailing me
on this truth stuff, but she's come around a lot. But long story
short, as soon as they announced ward feed out, I said out loud
to her, like the moment I heard it, I said, I will
never take that. You cannot produce eight billion doses after developing, discovering,
and putting together the of production and distribution that quickly. And I don't care
who says it or why or even if it worked, and it did,
say, Grandma, it's absurd to think you should put that in your body,
in my opinion, And so then the COVID notched it up even more.
So that's kind of been my journey of truth seeking really well been to
later sure sure up until the you know, twenty twenty one ish and well
done, And again COVID was one of those double edged swords because it did.
I've gotten so many emails and talked to so many people that said COVID
was the reason why the people woke up, right it was. It was
my wife up and she's not like me, she's not curious by nature,
but she went from listening and she's always willing to listen to me, which
is a blessing, but she went from listening to agreeing about a lot of
stuff. So yeah, that there were so many red flags from you know
that them deeming that the multi billion dollar industries is essential and your business not
essential to jabber job. Just there was so much you know, everything that
we're supposed to stand for is not just Americans but as Christians, that so
many people just folded like a lawn chair for it. Was very disappointing at
the same time because of the way they played it, it did wake up
so many people. So we always have to look at the good things out
of the bad situations, and I think that's a positive. Oh for sure.
I mean, you got it. I mean, this is the battle
that we're in. The battle we're in is how absurd are the lies going
to become? And how many people are going to realize that before they've lied
themselves into total control. That's basically the battle we're all in. Yeah,
and a great point with the media in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. I
think in retrospect looking back, it does go back a lot further than that.
But I think you're right that time frame twenty six twenty seventeen is when
it became evident when the media became an echo chamber, and you know,
Team AY had a certain you know script that they read, and Team B
on the right they had their script and they all said the same things.
They had the same narratives and if you just vote harder, the world will
be a much better place. Yeah. It went from like the method of
we're gonna control what people think without them knowing to we're going to control what
people think. They're gonna know we want to, but we're gonna make the
lies and the things we say so inflammatory it won't even register because they'll be
too busy reacting and in fear and in anger, and then it just keep
samp and up, you know. And also I will tell you that people
completely have distrusted them at all time, low ratings and podcasts alternative that everyone
is looking for alternative media to get their sources from. And that's what everybody
should be doing. Get your sources from three or four alternative you know sources,
and use your best judgment to discern what's going on. I once a
day I will go to one of the websites just to see their narrative,
what they're pushing. Right, You always want to keep your eye on the
enemy. But I have my sources and folks that I talk to and I
discern from myself, because I can assure you at best, what your Fox
News and CNN and MSNBC are telling you, is it best a little truth
with a lot of lie in it. Yeah, And the key is,
and you're exactly right. I do the same thing, and the track people
fall into regardless even if they make good practice of us independent journalists and collecting
and discerning the human condition and to like, we have this need in this
craving for immediate judgments. And so the thing if you're really going to discern,
especially in the conspiracy world, because there's a there is a lot of
truth out there and it's super important, and that is where the truth will
be found right now because it's the only people bold enough to speak it.
But you're gonna come across a lot of stuff you need to throw away too.
And if you're looking to like you hear about this one day and by
the end of the day you want to know exactly what you believe about it,
you're not gonna stay on the path to kind of connecting everything you know
one percent absolutely well done. Before we start talking about how you found your
way to the flood Earth, I always like to ask us, well,
before flatter, did you take time to look into the moon landings? Is
that something that you encountered? So what I felt the moon landing felt completely
irrelevant to me, but I did lean towards it being fake. But I
watched some documentaries and I was pretty well convinced it was fake. But It
didn't really matter to me because I was like, they could have faked it
just to get ahead of Russian the Cold War. This is at the time.
I was like, there's a million reasons they could have faked it.
It was nineteen sixty nine, you know, they probably felt they needed to
do it right away with the Cold War, and Kennedy had been assassinated and
he had promised we would do it by the end of the decade, and
YadA, YadA, YadA. So I did look into that, and I
did lean towards it definitely being fake, but I never had it. It
didn't seem to have enough impact in my worldview to even be motivated to make
a definitive decision on it. It just kind of hung out there. If
someone asked me, I would have probably told them, yeah, I think
it's fake. You know. Yeah. I was kind of the same way.
It was fascinating, And I think it's interesting that you mentioned the rabbit
holes, because I'm like, I like to be a problem solver. So
when I connected a dot, I was a paddle on the back. And
then, like you said, there came a day when when you realize that
all of these rabbit holes are real life people are dying, people are getting
killed, and then kind of a darkness comes over it, and I think
for a lot of people, they back off, they back out of the
rabbit hole for a little bit. I did you know when you start to
look at people like Vince Founster and the Clinton body counts and Vietnam and the
Gulf of Tonkin, you realize that while it's cool to try to to research
and find things, there comes a day when you realize that there's real people
who's life are affected on the other end, that it can become dark.
Absolutely, and I couldn't agree more. And it's some some we all have
our limits of what we can tolerate until we need a break. And my
thing is like, as a Christian, as a believer, if I'm looking
into the darkness and utilizing my curiosity in that direction, and that's having a
bigger impact on me, and I'm not balancing that was looking into the hope
of what's to come and the ultimate outcome and the fact that this was all
written that it would happen and this is the path we're on, and you
know, just balancing that with with with hope, you know, with light
was like yes, this is super dark. Who I can't remember the person
that said this, but they said, if you look into the darkness long
enough, you're going to become it, become the dark. And with that,
what does it do? You know the exact quote. I don't,
but I know exactly. If you look long enough, you become the darkness.
Yeah. And as you know, God is truth, and if we
had that light, the darkness will not overcome it. But that's what I
always and sometimes I've had friends have to remind me. They'll be like,
look, I get it, it is important, but remember the pull back
even farther, and remember that this is the spiritual war and the victory is
already decided. I think maybe it was. I think it's pronounced niche she
or nichzecke battle not with monsters. Lets she become a monster. And if
you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. Yes,
thank you so much, so much better than what I said, thank you
search engine. And you know what the other thing I wanted to mention about,
you know, the moon. Obviously JFK was killed. He said,
we do be there by the end of the decade. There was the whole
we had to beat Russia, which I think in retrospect was probably nonsense.
But what do you look back and you look how they overtook the culture of
the sixties. They brought in the hippie movement, and the CIA was pushing
drugs throughout the country to get people to care less about what was going on.
I think that was probably a huge distraction. In nineteen sixty nine,
we were losing between and I'm talking kia, not just casualties. We were
losing between five hundred and six hundred troops a month, So I think that
also served as a bit of a distraction from Vietnam. Yeah. I mean,
my grandfather did three tours as a helicopter Polly got shot down twice,
and when they came home, no one cared. In fact, they were
kind of not thankful at all, because it was like they got caught up
in the fact that the war was started on false pretenses. It only hurt
people, and the American people. I'm you know, I'm thank god we
had American citizens then that were willing to say, hey, this is not
right and I'm not gonna do what you want me to do until this is
fixed, you know. But yeah, it's and like, looking back on
those things, I came across all that information, but the flat earth was
the thing that really hit me with the truth that there's not just a few
little white lives here or there, like the world is controlled by the author
of lies. If there's a voice with the large enough platform, there's a
super high chance that what they're saying is from the source of confusion in one
way or another, you know what I mean. Like it opened up the
floodgates of like everything is basically a story, a story being written to deceive
us. Hey men to that. And with that being said, why don't
you talk to us a little bit about was it a video? Was it
a book? How did you let your guard down long enough to even take
a look into this. Did you go in trying to say, I'm just
gonna, you know, prove that it's around, I'll be done with this
and I'll move on with my life. Or was it something else? It
was so subtle and unexpected and unintentional, Like looking back, I'm just like
I think about, like, what if that little moment hadn't happened, you
know. So I've deleted this at since then, and a long time ago
I don't keep it on my phone, but at the time I was using
picktok I do music and stuff, so I was sharing stuff on there and
I would look into some of the conspiracies and so that was part of my
feet And then one day one little video popped up about the flat Earth,
and I literally knew nothing about it, because if it was brought up,
I dismissed it out of hand. I didn't want to even say the word.
I didn't want to look at it. I thought it made the people
like me who knew the truth about conspiracies look stupid. And I never talked
down to anyone. But it's one of the few things in my entire life
where I held a genuine disdain for an idea, you know. And was
on TikTok and there was a video that popped up. I don't remember what
it was. I just remember I was like, I'm gonna look at this
person's page because what they just showed me is something I've never seen before.
I think it might have been like the map with the moon and the sun,
kind of that diagram, right. It showed Antarctica as an ice wall,
which in my entire life I love maps too. Since I was a
kid, I adore map and the fact that I had never seen that map
like Leasen map with the ice wall. I saw that and I was like,
oh, that's kind of neat. Actually, in my mind though,
I was like, I'm just gonna scroll through this page and reassure myself that
this is bogus. And the person must have had two hundred videos. And
I sat there for two or three hours and just watched one, went scrolled
to the next one, watch that one, scroll to the next one.
I just sat there and I wasn't in my mind. I wasn't like trying
to decide if this was true or not. I was just absorbing the information
and I stopped strolling. I had to go back. I didn't get through
them all in one sitting, but by the end of that two or three
days, when I finally made it through every video on that profile, I
kind of knew I had a problem because I was like, this makes like
the logic and the evidence and the observable experimentation that was being done to prove
the perspective that the Earth is flat. It shocked me, honestly. I
was like, this is the opposite of dumb, Like even if these people
are wrong. This is some of the best like citizen science I've ever seen.
And it took I didn't mention a word to anybody, though, And
I like, my wife is my best friend. She's the one who lets
me get everything in my head out to her as I explain, and then
you know, it's it's a way for me to filter and discern and refine
what I'm thinking. And I didn't say a word to her. I didn't
say a word to anybody for three to four weeks probably, and then when
I finally realized, like I think it's flat or it's definitely not a globe.
I didn't sleep for like three nights because I was like, I'm gonna
have to tell my wife that I'm a flat earth or you know. And
I finally I you know, I'd like you do I did the bread crumbs,
or I'd be like this, this is this is so absurd. But
check this out what they said about this, you know what I mean,
eased in And here we are a year and a half, two years later,
and it just really uh and I've been believe it for a long time,
but I got to say that the most important thing to me because my
entire life as a believer, because I didn't really grow up in church,
I didn't grow up reading the Bible. I was an adult before I really
heard the Gospel and believed, and I was a rebellious person and I believed
science, you know what I mean, Like I was thankful that I lived
at a time when science was so advanced and the things that may be possible.
And when this when I finally processed this truth and accepted it. And
I'm not saying I know one hundred percent, like it's a gradual thing where
I'm like, I definitely know it's not a globe euro percent the globe,
but I'm at like, you know, at this time, I was probably
like fifty percent that it's flat or level and just processing that in it.
The more you know, discern you know, taking information, put the bad
to the side, let it simmer, let it connect. I've never read
the scripture like I've always had doubts. So in my whole Christian life,
even when I was a pastor of a church for three years, I struggled
with doubt because like I'm stupid in a lot of ways, but in comprehending
narrative and story and how it connects some like ninety nine percent of And I
knew when I read the scriptures and what the scientific consensus is simply do not
meld. And it doesn't matter how you loop it, how you justify it,
how you try to, you know, bringing both into the gray area
where they could both be true. In my heart and in my mind,
I knew that they did not make sense like their opposing worldviews, and I
struggle with doubt, like serious doubt for a long time because of that about
the size of the universe, and if this universe is that size, then
like the idea that we're God's special image bearers and we're the only ones on
Earth is the only planet with life on it, the odds were basically zero
that that were true, And I was like, why wouldn't God share that
with us so that we wouldn't feel so confused? And the fact of the
matter is it's such a big lie, and it's so well propagated and taught
and defended that we look at it as more true than even what the scriptures
say when we're coming out of school and growing up. But now, like
reading the scriptures, you know, it just really blew my mind It made
me feel comforted because God is close and nearby, and he did make earth
and humans as a place where we could enjoy creation, and that he's not
thirteen billion light years away or whatever. I mean. It just really it
unlocked a deeper level of faith without doubt. I struggle still, but doubt
isn't really one of them. But at the same time, it made me
realize, like, Wow, Satan really runs this world and not just like
kinda like he's in total control. Amen. And you know, another thing
we have to contend with as far as discerning what we're taught in the Bible
and what we're taught and you know in school, et cetera, is for
most people, they're in church one or two, maybe three hours a week
when you're younger, and you're in school thirty five to forty hours a week
plus all your homework, where you're getting that constant indoctrination about the Big Bang
and evolution and the globe and on and on and on. So I think
that's a big thing that hopefully we can get more church leaders on board with
really looking into it and understanding that they're not lying about everything except we're on
a ball spinning and water sticking to a ball, et cetera. Like you
said, you know, day everything is alliant. Yeah, and it's you
know, going back to school, Like I'm I have high intelligence, but
I'm also very add so if I'm not interested in, I don't really pay
attention, but I can pass it to And so like third grade, second
grade, fourth grade, fifth grade, I literally don't remember a single lesson,
you know, like I can't pull one up. But there's one lesson
from all of elementary school that I remember the day we had it. I
remember the chair I was sitting in, and I remember the way I felt
when we went to recess afterwards. And it was in third grade when they
were talking about Columbus and selling to the New World and that it was a
concern because they thought the earth was flattened and that they might fall off the
edge. And everyone laughed and the teacher said, how dumb that was,
in a mocking way. It was almost like a ritual, a ritual to
make us arrogant in the belief of a lie. And that just always stuck
with me, and I think that's one of the and everyone I know they
want to just go in the eighties and nineties remembers that lesson, and to
me, that is the moment when all of us subconsciously decide I will never
be associated with flat earthers because my third grade teacher was the nicest person I
ever knew, and she even called them done. I certainly remember that story,
and I'm sure excuse me that that is one of the things that they
carefully. It even may have been a story that they certainly crafted for the
books to get us to believe this plan has been in place for at least
you know, five hundred years, going back to Copernicus. And again,
these people plan decades and centuries ahead, where our long term planning is what
are you doing Christmas Eve? So you know everything they do, you know,
not to be the dead orse. But through the TV and the television,
there's a globe and it's to subtly remind you, it's rein enforcement that
it's a globe. It's a globe. It's a globe. And if you
question it, then, like that paper I read from I think Harvard,
you get associated as a anti vaxer and all these other negative things that go
along with it. So most people don't want to even there, you know,
So many people are so worried about what other people think of them that
they're not even going to go down that pribital. Yeah, I mean,
well, life is hard enough without the people you spent your life earning their
respect and making sure you know you care and love about them and you're a
decent person. You know, life is hard enough without saying I'm going to
put this out there and everyone's gonna immediately think worse of me. Yeah,
you know, And it's sad that it's that way, but it's also worth
it because I've noticed, just in my own life to varying degrees, but
the more authentic you are, even if it means you're not as strong,
are as smart, or as good as people think you are, your life
will carry more power and joy if you just walk in the shoe size you
currently have. And it's just such a huge part of it. But our
society, like to me, America is like we're a lot sicker and we've
been a lot sicker and than any of us realize. And don't get me
wrong, like I think of all the places to probably live throughout modern history,
having a constitution and you know, the First and Second Amendment and a
somewhat decent opportunity to live a prosperous and comfortable life. I think we have
it made. But I think pretty much everyone is workaholics. We all work
too much. We're all focused on work. And the thing about that is
is like to be successful, you have to diminish your real thoughts, opinions,
beliefs, and image because the fact of the matter is, don't matter
who it is any one of us. If we're ourself, we're gonna have
more people that don't like us, but we'll have more people that actually do
like us for who we are too. But we're just so you know,
we're kind of a shallow culture where money driven culture like we're just it's sad
to me because in the end, it doesn't those things don't matter, but
yet a lot not all and we all we swim in this water, so
none of us are immune, right, but it just kind of saddens me.
Good people, good loving people. I know, their whole life has
basically no pun intended gravitated around this sense and this need of being in the
competition of life and doing better than others so that they can feel good about
themselves and other people will admire and really, we should admire people for their
character, right, they're diligent, their willingness to sacrifice for others when needed,
you know what I mean. Our society teaches us that judgment on his
if he's successful. Like if you see a guy in a suit and he's
got two Mercedes in a big house, he's labeled as successful. Right,
Yeah, yeah, I mean, there was something I wrote the other day.
I'm not going to read the whole thing because it's kind of long,
but it basically came down to, like, the reason we have leaders that
are guided by self interest disguised self interest, is because our culture has taught
us that if you're gonna win, if you're going to be at the top,
if you're going to be successful, then you have to be ruthless.
But you also have to be dethipful about how ruthless you are. It's like
this double handed thing where like the most successful and probably the most ruthless that
we're willing to step on other people like she do whatever it took, but
they're also the ones who were really good and clever about making sure not everyone
realized that. And that's the way our culture rewards us. And then we
wonder why we have politicians and leaders and representatives and CEOs that operate from that
same place, a character where it's like, I'm gonna be ruthless, but
I'm also gonna be the one that appears the least truthless simultaneously for sure,
dishonest. You know, uh, what's you know, not a shape shifter,
but some what's the little animal that changes colors? Some evidabtai a chamellion?
Thank you since yeah we're but yeah, a chameleon. And and they
obviously will come out and say what they mean. Most of the people in
DC tonight are saying, uh, they hope that war doesn't break out.
But most of those guys know I read an article of my other podcast the
other day. I think it was close to eighty percent of the generals who
retire go straight into the military industrial complex to work. So these people that's
where they get their bread buttered in the in the pharmaceutical industrial complex and the
military industrial complex. So these people are warners. And again they'll they'll stand
behind a microphone and tell you how piece is the only way. But then
they'll vote to send the troops off to you know, the create an emergency
and that's when we say, if you allow a government to kind of sidestep
our bylaws, which in this country is the constitution during times of emergency,
well they're going to create the emergency, oh for sure. And it's so
absurd that I think a lot of people see it. But it's absurd that
they get away with what they do, because the fact of the matter is
if we had a president and a Congress that stuck up to the principle of
we're not gonna hurt anyone unless they're on our shore or approaching our shore,
and we will defend ourselves. But the problem is we've been meddling in everything
for so longipulating currencies and poverty through the dollar in the World Bank, like
getting bending countries to our will by you know, devaluing their currency. And
they do all that while they convince us that, you know, we're a
shining beacon of truth and justice. We have that potential and I think some
of that history. But when they started going and fighting wars, we had
no business in and killing people that if we hadn't, America would be even
more secure. When we started going down that path is when our security actually
got worse. Like when we went to do the War on Terror, the
security of America got exponentially worse because now we're creating enemies with just hatred for
some of the things that were done. And if we had just said,
you know, we're gonna defend our shores, we're gonna do things that make
sure even though I know for a fact nine to eleven could have never happened
by an outside party. Of course, but even if it had, if
we had focused on security measures and changed just some simple basic intercept and some
things like that, you know, even if it meant like people in America
that were a threat had to go through a serious process of determining whether they
were going to stay, you know, on the extreme side. But the
fact that Korea, Vietnam, desert Storm, Afghanistan, Iraq, now Ukraine,
where we're basically fighting Russia with well, no, we're really just making
a lot of people in the oligarchy rich. Ye are fighting a proxy war
to a certain extent. Yeah, And the way they in my opinion,
the way they've extended NATO. If you're the president of Russia and you had
clearly communicated like you guys are doing your thing with NATO, these are my
limits. As long as we're cool there, it's cool. And then those
limits are broken over and over and over and over and over again when you
haven't provoked or attacked anyone or I'm not saying they haven't, because they probably
have, but I'm just saying the people in charge knew what they were doing
when they kept pushing the buttons. That we don't need to be in Ukraine,
you know what I mean, Like we don't need NATO that far.
Like NATO was originally designed as just a defense not an attack thing, you
know what I mean, kind of like the Department of Defense, which should
be defense, not offense exactly. It's the Department of You know, if
you get people mad and that they'll pay us to go hurt people, that's
right, and we'll steal their resources and everything else. And like I said,
you know, if they come to our shores, everybody will do the
right thing to protect their families and their land. But man, it's just
you know, if I was elected president tomorrow, bring everybody home and we
would have the most secure border in the world. But that that's not how
this works. And like you said, it all goes back to accountability and
the lies and this actually getting back to the flat Earth. If we could
expose this as the fraud it is, that would have a huge I think
it would lead to a huge chain of events that would maybe just maybe we
could get some accountability. Yeah, yeah, and that's I'm glad you said
that. One of the most discouraging but yet helpful things I've learned is that
all humans live their lives like the millions of decisions they make every day without
even thinking, and you know, the way they see everything. It has
to be built within a story because if you don't, if you're not living
your life within a story, then you're in confusion and uncertain and it's uncomfortable.
And no one does that intentionally or lightly. Like every everyone lives within
a story where everything they've heard and learned, they've decided, Okay, this
is the narrative. And governments do a great job, like you said on
the Long Game, of saying this is the basic premise and story. People
are going to operate with them. And it took me a lot, like
COVID really just and maybe some of the election stuff going back, to realize
like one little thing, even if you present all the evidence, people are
not gonna change their entire story or unbind their story to adjust it. Even
if one little, not little, but one absurd thing like nine to eleven,
for example, if indisputable evidence like in everyone Knew without a doubt,
the fact of the matter is if they didn't see how that's not just a
blip, It's not just an error. It's not like a one time thing
where a few people made the wrong decision. The narrative of your mind has
to become the story of truth, which is a lot harder than it might
seem, because that's basically your entire existence, like your reason and meaning for
being alive, is the story you believe and see the world. And I
think the flat Earth that may be one of the few things. It's a
lie so big that when someone sees it, it will unwind the story that
we've been planted with and allows someone to go back and edit it and try
to rewrite the way they see everything. If that makes sense, perfect sense,
perfect sense. Like Joseph Goebbels on the Big Lie, he says,
if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually
come to believe it. And that's a fact because it's in our history books.
And also I think that they're speaking of blips in Under the Radar.
I think they were blown away about World of the Worlds. And that was
even before TV. That was like thirty eight, thirty nine, about ninety
years ago, when they played War the Worlds and was it seven million people
called nine to one one that night, Well, they didn't have nine to
one one, but they called the emergency services and the local people in New
Jersey were shooting their water towers. And I think that, you know,
the people at the top of the food chain, like Edward Berne's at Sessa,
We're like, wow, look these people will believe anything. And then
eventually TV came about and game was on. The most powerful and impactful inventions
through human history are the ones that communicate a story to humans in a way
that they desire to absorb. The printing press, the TV, the radio,
the internet probably the biggest actual inventions in human history, the most impactful
because it allows people to be given a story that they will absorb. And
we're real resistant to absorbing stories because we don't want to adjust our narrative.
But the TV through entertainment, because it's not you're not watching TV saying or
watching movies or reading books saying, oh, I'm gonna read this fiction book
for entertainment. For entertainment is what you're saying. You're not saying, I'm
going to read this fiction book and it's going to subliminally alter the way I
see everything, and I won't realize it. And I do that five hundred
times and before you know it, I think I have my own independent opinions
in perspective, But it's actually been carefully and craftfully woven together over time.
And uh, it's a powerful thing. But it's also on outside because the
biggest story and the most powerful story ever given is the Word of God.
And it's no coincidence in my opinion that it says Jesus was the word.
Basically, Jesus is the culmination and the expression of the true story of God,
powerful enough to break us free from the lies. Amen to that,
And I'm so glad you mentioned the printing press and how technology be can used
against us or like what's going on right now, it can be used for
good. But Gutenberg was I think given credit for the printer, which was
the mid fifteenth century, and that was, without a doubt, the single
most important factor in the success of the Protestant Reformation. Oh yeah, for
sure. So without question, it all comes back to us, the people
choosing. Right, we put the TV in front of us, and if
we take in the information without discernment, that's on us. But it can
be used for good as well. You just have to. It's really your
choice to figure out what is good and what's not good. If you're spend
your entire day watching movies, you're probably being programmed. But if you're on
the internet looking for information and go down alternative news websites and looking at more
than one source for a particular piece of information, you're probably using it for
good. Yeah, And there's a there's a human dynamic. I do personality
coaching too, and I've been studying that for a long time. And the
people that will have the most impact in their actions for the truth aren't the
people that are going to be the most interested in discovering uncomfortable truths. Because
you have like the action oriented people, just that's their game, that's where
they live, that's their strength. And then you have the mind centered group,
and then you have the heart centered group. So like the heart centered
group is everything in life is about relationships, and so uncomfortable truths are going
to be uninteresting for them to search and even harder for them to accept because
of how it's going to affect their primary focus. Wherein then, like the
action group, they want to accomplish and influence and have leverage over their environment
for good or bad, and for them to take the time and the interest
in something that's only going to make their actions more difficult and incongruent to success
is very hard. And then you have the mind group, and I think
a lot of truthers we fall in that category of three basic personality types where
we are primarily our dominant intelligence centeris the mind, and so I think we're
kind of the head of the sphere on revealing it to the to the people.
But then we need to give that torch to the people that are just
naturally so good at action and so good at relationships. And that's you knows,
there has to be this like not no one of us can do it,
you know, And that's what I really like about you. I get
a sense that you're an action, action oriented person. But because of your
experience in the past and how wrong the things you had been through were,
you found that motivation, and so it's kind of a cool combination for me
for me to listen to you. I really enjoy it. Well, I
appreciate it, and I think with everybody, as you get older, you
reflect on your past and your past life, and that's what gives you wisdom.
You can't you can't buy wisdom with a diploma, right, and that
is just something that you learn through your mistakes. And luckily for me,
I've made so many mistakes. I've got so much wisdom now. But seriously,
I was going to ask you, you know you really talking about the
three different categories and everything else. That kind of makes a perfect segue from
a next question is have you dabbled into sharing the knowledge and what success have
you had with that? So I've had some success. For the first couple
of months, I didn't say a word to anybody, like, wouldn't even
leave a comment online or anything, just because I was, you know,
I was letting it simmer. I was processing. I was like, this
isn't one of those things you can communicate and then change your mind in six
months. You want to make sure that you've given yourself the appropriate amount of
time to discern and to collect information. And to connect to everything and to
see what probably you know, accurate and what's not and all that. But
after a while my wife I talked to her and don't get me, she's
she's not like me, like I'm super opinionated. She's one of those action
people and she's such a blessing in my life. But our minds were completely
different, you know. And the way she kind of filters information is is
this information going to benefit my practical need to create the environment I want and
that's peaceful and safe. And so she hasn't just come out and said,
oh, oh I believe it, but I can tell that I think she
does. She liked some of my posts sometimes about it that I and I
don't even post flatter stuff to my actual personal social media. To me,
it's a face to faith conversation. I put information out on an Instagram page
called Curve not Found. It's a collection for me. It's a collection of
information and illustrations of the truth of the flat Earth that I use as a
catalog when I'm talking to people. And it's even a bonus that, you
know, some of my posts had gotten traction with like not a lot,
but like one post got twenty two thousand views and I've only been doing it
a few months there, but face to faith. So the first person I
mentioned it to was one of my closest friends. His wife and my wife
are friends. Were really close. He does music, We see a lot
of things eye to eye. He's a pastor as well. And I mentioned
it to him and kind of explained why, even though it's absurd that I'm
pretty sure this is true, and he was already a young Earth's god,
you know, he believes that the earth is like less than ten thousand years
old. Sure, And so to my surprise, he's actually somewhat on board.
He's intrigued by it. I'll say, I don't think he's at the
level where he's like I'm comfortable, because he's one of those people. If
he believes it, it's gonna be on him, like you know what I
mean, Like he's not if it's true, he's He's just the type of
person that, like, if I integrate this into my worldview, then it
becomes part of who I am in every aspect of sure, word on a
sleeve, Yeah, which is an honorable thing. And he's intrigued by we
talk about it. He's never once dismissed since the first conversation. He asked
me questions. And the funny thing is he's got a son that's probably thirteen
or fourteen, that's just the greatest kid. He's so expressive in everything,
and he became a flat earther like straight away. And so every time I
see his son, he's always asking me flat earth questions. And one time
he was like, the kids at school don't believe me. They think it's
stupid. I'm like, you know, and I was like, well,
that's not surprising at all, But I said, all of us are on
our own journey towards truth, and just because you're ahead of them or on
a different journey, you have to love them and realize that it's not personal.
It's just the way the story in their mind works and how they see
lives. And then I've talked to a handful of others. I've thrown some
breadcrumbs. I definitely have talked to. So two of my siblings are pretty
much on board. I have six total. Two of my siblings are on
board. I've got one of my parents with one foot in maybe. But
the cool thing about it is like, if you communicate it in a way
where it's like, I know, this is absolutely absurd, and if I
was in your shoes, I would think I was so stupid. But check
out this and why I think this is probably true. At least they're not
gonna they know that you realize how absurd it sounds, you know what I
mean? Oh that helps. And no one that I've talked to about it
was just like I've gotten some laughs here and there, but the craziest thing
to me, George, this is the craziest thing. So I hadn't been
doing any church work at all since twenty thirteen, and I didn't really want
to, not because I don't think it's an honorable thing, but because,
like I said earlier, I'm kind of the prodigal side, you know,
I don't think I'm the person people should look to as like an example that's
without flaw or blemish, or that it's able to put forth an image that
people are like, Oh, yes, he's what I expect when I think
of a Christian, you know what I mean, I'm the Christian that's like,
I'm so jacked up. My only hope was God himself had to die,
Like that's that's it. And so this church we've been going to for
a couple of years asked me to start doing the music. And I'm not,
like, I wouldn't think I'm talented with music, but I started leading
worship just me and my guitar in this pretty large church. So it was
intimidating because it went from like a super talented band that's like professional musicians to
just me and my acoustic guitar. And the first Sunday I did that,
the presence of God just showed up so powerfully. And I haven't as it's
been a year and a half, I haven't asked a single person to help
me. And now I've got a team of ten or twelve people and they're
all more talented than me, and it's like a little family. And I
met my first real life flat Earth. There's ever when these guys I know
both of them came on at the same time and he brought it up about
it and I was like, WHOA. And I was still kind of gunshot
about you and being like, oh, I do too, because other people
were around. But that, in my mind, is God really loving me
in a way that's beyond what's necessary, because he's saying you're going through this.
You probably feel somewhat alone in this. And I'm not only going to
give you people to help you with leading worship, but I'm going to give
you people that can encourage you and be a source of edification and education and
conversation in a comfortable, unintimidating way, free of shame. And it's been
beautiful and now everyone pretty and I'm not. My thing is like at church,
the important thing is unity, truth and unity like the core truth of
the Gospel and what the Bible says about the story of redemption, like that's
the core truth and unity is super important, and so I don't I don't
bring it up there. I've talked to my pastor about it and he wasn't
like condescending or anything, but I think what I said, I think when
I just mentioned it, he was like, that's going to take some convincing
and I was like, well, I'm not going to convence unless you want
to be and that was that, and we're friends and we leave it at
that, you know. But my thing is that people do have such a
strong reaction to it that if I'm going to talk to him, I'm not
going to talk to him in that building unless they ask me questions. Because
if the Lord wills for that to become a widespread at least option of belief
where people like, you know, I don't want the people that go to
church there to be like ashamed or looked down on by the community because they're
like, oh, that church is where the flat earth got, does you
know? And so there's the other side of that coin of like unapologetically being
truthful, and I do my best to do that. I'm a very authentic
person, but I take my responsibility of making sure people get into the presence
of God in that capacity. That's my main priority. And we're all at
different places in the journey. So someone today that might get offended by it
in ten years could be you know, supporting it and believing it. But
I don't want to force people into a chapter they're not at yet and cause
any type of paramoil or confusion. If that makes sense, it makes perfect
sense. And again we've mentioned before, while it's not a salvation issue,
at the same time, I'm very passionate about it because I get emails I
don't want to say every day, but certainly several several a week saying how
this has brought them either back to God or to God in the first place.
So it's I don't want to say catch twenty two, but it's something
that I know that many pastors like yourself are in positions where you probably want
to stand in the pulpito on Sunday and just belt out you know you're being
lied to, it's flat. At the same time, you understand the stigma
that's attached to it, and you don't want to be divisive and that that
is just one of those things that is you know, you just you pray
to God and ask for dis serment. Right. Yes, and people aren't
in my experience, if it's a very serious topic that makes people feel vulnerable
or upset or that, they're going to have a lot of questions because they're
going to be confused and don't understand, which is why podcasts in YouTube is
great because people can absorb the information without any expectations in a private way.
Yes, and it's a topic where if you really care about the person and
that's why you want to talk to them about it, you're going to do
it in an effective way where they feel respected and loved, not where you're
trying to talk to five hundred people in a room where you can't even address
the questions or concerns. You know, it's basically like saying, I know
y'all don't believe this, and you're stupid because it's true. You know,
I'm not saying some churches shouldn't do that. I'm just saying I couldn't.
I couldn't. I couldn't get to a place where I do that. What
I do think is it actually is a salvation issue for people that aren't saved.
Great point that that's a traget point. It's not gonna save them,
but it's gonna eliminate so many of the doubts and the reason and excuses they've
used to dismiss even considering their creator. But the church, the church is
really a gathering of believers, and it's not a salvation issues. For those
who already has saved, it can increase their faith. But so like in
my mind, don't get me wrong, I'm like, man, I cannot
believe even the Christians are deceived, you know what I mean? Like to
accept that. But that's how strong Satan strongholds on this world. And it's
a only God's grace that sustains this but that's how I look at it.
I'm like the body of believers gathering. It's not a salvation issue. But
if I can talk to someone or if someone that is not a believer comes
across that, they're gonna at least have a lot more questions about who made
it right on. Going back to presentation, I think it's very important.
And we're talking not necessarily in the church, but at some point when you're
having a conversation with someone, whether it be a friend or family, what
you mentioned earlier, how you present it is ninety percent of the battle.
I think if you start with things like you said, like you know,
I didn't believe this for the first fifty years of my life, and you
know I thought it was crazy things of that nature, and not overwhelm them
with information, make them curious enough to get them to look into it.
Yeah, exactly. And I mean I'm a passionate person too, so it's
very hard for me when I talk about things that I'm passionate about to keep
it short. But with this I always do, you know, each conversation,
if it comes up with someone who feels like I did before I realized,
I always just try to drop one of the main things that kind of
was a tipping point for me. See what they say, I never argue.
I'm like, yeah, I get that, this is how my perspective
and research has shown to explain that. But I totally get what you're saying
too. You know. It's like it doesn't need to be combative in any
way because we all want to defend and believe the way we see the world
in the story we're living is right, you know. And as we begin
to wind down, I'd like to ask you what are your what we'll call
the six silver bullets that you would like to present to some when if you
had an opportunity, you were sixth proofs that meant the most to you and
help you realize what flat Earth was. So for me and I love this
question. When I got off the phone and had absorbed enough information to have
a premonition or a prevocation that it was flat, every night I started walking
outside and looking at the stars and the moon, and so every day I
would see where the moon was, where the sun was, where the stars
were, and just casually, you know, it's it was good anyways to
be in nature. You know, we live in the country, and the
stars are big and bright deep in the heart of Texas, and I saw
that. Hilarious. It is in the same exact spot year round. It
does not move, and on a globe spinning one thousand miles an hour,
orbiting at tens of thousands of miles an hour, chasing the Sun while tilting
on an axis in revolutions in a galaxy spinning. It's just not possible because
they in like O'Ryan the way it matches up with the pyramids, even though
they've been there thousands of years. The Georgia guidestones thing, it was funny.
I just learned about that, and then they got blew up and they
never caught. The person did and seem to care. I was like,
okay, but not to get into that. That was the big one.
Hilarious. But then the other one, well, I've got a few,
but I'll try and go through them quick. The Moon, the fact that
from Earth you never see the other side of the Moon. For it to
be spinning at the angle and speed with such precision and perfection that we always
see the same face is absolutely absurd. It's it's actually like, probably on
a probability type level, it's it's basically impossible. It'd be like me crashing
my car and when the when I roll two times and land the cars parts
that all got busted up magically landed right back where they were before the crash,
and I just drive off no problem. The cold light of the moon,
that's measurably, it's the easiest experiment to do, and all of the
flat earth truth. Because you take two cups of water in a thermometer,
and you stand in your backyard on a full moon. You put one cup
in the shade, one cup in the moonlight. The cup in the moonlight's
colder, considerably colder, and the moon is, from our vantage point,
the exact same size of the Sun, and it appears to move on the
same circuit, just one fits slower. That was all very like just mind
blowing to me. The fact that NASA in Hebrew means beguile, which is
the same Hebrew word used from Genesis three. That's right from the serpent.
And that if you take if you ride out NASA, NASA National Aerotic Space
Agency, and you add up which letter goes with which number of the alphabet
at equals six to six six, really like a one, B, two,
three, C, forty like Jamatrie almost yeah, like yeah, exactly.
Really, if you write out the actual name, it adds up to
six hundred and sixty six. Now, when I did that months ago,
I was tired. I did add it up myself and it equals six to
sixty six, but I didn't double check it. But I've seen other people
say it too, and I'm almost one hundred percent that that that is accurate.
And then the fact that and I've been on a thing even before the
flat Earth, I was on this thing where I started noticing the numbers three,
six, and nine pop everywhere. Part of that was the personality research
and learning that I do, because one of the major systems has nine types
and three six and nine are the attachment types, so they're completely different from
the other six types. And I started noticing these numbers three, six,
and nine, Like if you add even if they're long numbers and you add
them up, you know, like fifteen is one plus five, six on
and on, you know, three six. The prevalence of three, six
and nine in all numbers in the world is irrationally, irrationally prevalent. If
you watch Seinfeld after the first season started, the second season, watch Seinfeld
and anytime you see an address or a number or anything, it inevitably adds
up to three, six or nine. Like the first season his apartment was
something, but then from the second season, all the way through his apartment
was five, A, five, one six. Even the buildings in the
background and on the scenes from the street, it's a it's mind blowing,
but it's nerdy to even look. But I just got on this thing where
I was noticing three, six and nine, and then all of a sudd
And of course the mark of the beast in the Bible six plus six plus
six is eighteen one plus eight equals nine. And the Natha thing about the
Earth orbiting at sixty six thousand miles an hour, the Earth tilts on a
twenty three point four degree axis, but when you subtract that from ninety degrees,
it's sixty six point six. And there's so many more numbers like that,
like the distance to the Moon is two hundred and forty thousand miles.
Two plus foury was six. The distance to the Sun is ninety three million
miles. Nine plus three equals twelve. One plus two is three. There's
nine planets, there's nine holes on a golf course, there's nine innings in
a baseball game, and you get three outs, and there's three bases,
you know, nine players. It's it's it's all these things that just started
to pop up into my consciousness. And it's not even like I'm looking,
it's just like I'm noticing. And so when I saw the NASA number,
I immediately knew, like this is insane, like this, this is obviously
the occult reverse engineered mathematics that they used to propagate their ideas throughout history.
And then ships reappearing over the horizon using the Pythagora and theorem was a big
one. The way water always finds its level, which I've always known and
never realized, the Earth being seventy percent water. That those two facts alone
disproved the globe. The fact that the Antarctic Treaty is the only treaty that's
been around for what is it forty fifty years something like that. I think
it's fifty. So you're looking at almost sixty five years now, okay.
And these are countries that have gone to war with each other. They literally
heard each other, we're told, and it's never even been threatened, it's
never even been tested it's never even been like a conversation. It's it's just
untouchable. It's absurd that that that that's a thing. The fact that Antarctica
is the highest elevation content and that it acts as as shorelines for the waters
of the world, so there is no edge. It makes perfect sense.
And the fact that no one you know, if if flat Earth, theers
are that dumb and they hate us so much, let us go try and
die looking for the ice wall, you know, because in the in the
firmament, because from their perspectives, they'll be like, well, we'll get
rid of a lot of idiots and they'll realize they're wrong. At the same
time, it's a win win for them. So it makes no sense whatsoever
that we can't do that. That's right. And then the last one is
the the anemo where the uh if you take a picture of the sun every
day in the sky, it makes a figure eight, and it proves that
as the sun gets closer to the north pole, it moves faster, but
in a smaller circle, and as it moves towards the southern pole, it
moves faster but on a bigger circle. And if you look at like if
you look at a flat Earth map with the sun on it, and you
take the path of the sun, the climates even start to make sense.
While they're different in the Southern and Norman like, you can be equal distance
from the equator north and then from the south, but the climates are drastically
different. And it's because the sun's actually moving faster in the south. So
like the climate in Africa, parts of Africa will be different, drastically different
from the climate you know in the northern Hemisphere, or like Iceland. People
live in Iceland, it's one of the most beautiful places in the world.
It's just amazing, you know, plant life, animal life, all these
things. And then Antarctica is the same distance from the equator and you literally
nothing grows, there is nothing, it's desolate. And in my mind,
that's because when the sun is close to the north pole of Iceland, it's
moving so slow that it's actually giving quite a bit of light to those areas,
whereas in the south, if you're in an in an Arctica, the
sun is even the little bit of sun you get, you know in December
when it's long days, right the sun the actual heat is moving past you
so quickly because the sun's having to move faster. Does that make sense?
Yeah, I get you. But anyways, are those are the main things.
Those are the ones that made me realize, like, if I'm going
to be if I'm going to honor what's true and observable, those are things
that have no reasonable explanation outside of the fact that we don't live on a
globe. Yeah, that the temperature checks an easy one, and anybody who
has a either a TikTok channel or an Instagram channel should go do the test
with them. By the way, so I know it's real recording on a
Friday night, so when people listen to it, it's at least two days
ago. But it's a full moon tonight, it'd be the perfect time to
get your Your temperature has taken one from the moon and one from the shade,
and you'll see the significant variance. Of of course, the temperature in
the moon is actually going to be cooler than the one that's in the shade.
Yes, exactly, And that blew my mind. I can't tell you
how much that blew my mind. Because cold light is it's a real thing,
and they've made it like humans have made it an experiment of it but
it's absolutely so rare in life and in nature and innovation. And when I
saw that the light was cold, you know, I realized, why is
the coldest time of day, you know, early in the morning, was
because the moon's been out so long, you know, and it just all
When I saw that and did that myself, it was like a realization moment,
like that can't be reflected sunlight, because reflected light that's really hot doesn't.
It might neutralize, but it will not become cold. Jeremy, it's
been a tremendous podcast. I've learned a lot. I've enjoyed everything that you've
said, and I love hearing everyone's journey. You've had quite an incredible journey
as well. I tip my cap to you. Being a worship pastor three
four hundred folks, that is a great responsibility, and I have the respect
for you, and uh, before we leave, i'd certainly like to give
you the last word. My last word is just thank you so much.
George. This is one of the first times and the two or three years
or even longer where I've you know, had all these realizations and things backed
up by data and observations where I felt comfortable enough like I had this space
to communicate it openly, and it's just such a beautiful gift. And outside
of that, if you are Christian out there, get your King James or
New King James version. I'm not those only, don't get me wrong.
I read all the versions, but recently I went back and got a King
James version in New King James versions from the seventies before in nineteen eighty.
Read Genesis one two, read Psalm nineteen, read Proverbs eight. And if
you're on this journey of trying to understand if the Biblical cosmology is accurate,
you will still you will sense a connection to the scriptures from those more than
the modern ones, because the modern ones sadly have been drastically influenced. I
don't think they're wrong. I just think the subtleties of what it's actually saying
get lost in translation, and so do that if you're if you're alreadyab believer,
and if you're not, I'm always praying for you, y'all pray for
me and we certainly will well done. Jeremy, thank you so much.
And folks, if you want to reach out to Jeremy, excuse me.
His email address will be in the show description. Curve not found at gmail
dot com. And did you mention you had an Instagram as well under the
same name. Yeah, it's Curve not found. Just the word curve not
found, all one word on Instagram. There you go, folks, and
to hear from you. Yeah, those links will be in the show description,
so please don't hesitate to reach out to Jeremy. We have a few
show notes in the show description as well. Thank you all again for your
unwavering support. We appreciate all the emails and uh god, bless y'all.
Have a great week, and Jeremy again, thank you so much for joining
us on another great podcast. And that is a tip of the cap to
my guests, not me for sure, So for Jeremy, I am George
once again, have a tremendous week. Keep your head on a swivel,
and until the next time, my friends, we will see you. I
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