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production. Welcome back to truth seekers from

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around the world. It's time for
another edition of the flat Earth Files.

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I hope you had a great weekend. We have a very special guest standing

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by who will be joining us in
just a moment. Before we bring Jeremy

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We're going to bring on our special
guest. His name is Jeremy. Jeremy,

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thank you so much for joining us
tonight. Hey, Jeorge, it's

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my pleasure. I'm really sided to
talk with you, big listener of the

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show. It's just I really appreciate
it, and I'm it feels kind of

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surreal to it. And this is
my first time really publicly even having a

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discussion about this, even though I've
talked about it a lot with people close

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to me. Yes, that that
is certainly a lot of the people coming

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on that that that is the case. And one of the things that I

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always say is I hope it does
give you know, having this experience,

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I hope it gives people the confidence
to talk about it in public more because

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you know, in the in the
coming days, weeks, and months,

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with everything going on in the world, I think it may take people with

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strong conviction to speak the truth in
a time where maybe we were less apt

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to discuss these type of things.
Would you agree with that? I agree

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one hundred percent. And as someone
like I'm very I'm a communicator by nature,

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and I'm I also wear my heart
on my sleeve and I'm I'm not

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afraid to share truth with grace or
my perspective or my experience. I do

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it all the time publicly, but
I've only been a believer in beginning to

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comprehend the Biblical cosmology for probably two
years if that, and this just feels

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different, like I'm there's There's never
been anything that I've discovered and learned about

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and wanted to communicate that felt like
it would. It's so intimidating, you

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know. It's it's so because it
is a religion that our entire culture believes

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but doesn't know it's a religion.
And so when you speak about it,

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just like I always say, no
one could have ever convinced me the earth

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was flat, no one period.
It took my It took me looking into

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it to prove to my own ego
that I would write to pull those walls

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down. And that's all it took
for me to realize it's actually a lot

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more logical than the memes or the
common descriptions and analysis you know applied to

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it. Well done, and I
have a million questions to ask you before

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we get too far into it.
I should ask you to introduce yourself again,

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as little as much as you'd like
to tell yourself about the audience and

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your journey to the truth. Sure, my name's Jeremy. I do a

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lot of things. But I am
currently a worship pastor at a decent sized

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church, not a large church,
but a decent sized church of about three

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or four hundred people. And I
my father is a politician on the nation

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level. And I've been married for
fourteen years to a loving wife. We

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had our first kid last year.
I was the lead pastor of a church

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in twenty twelve and now I do
this, do the worship with a group

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of twelve people that I really love. And I also have a business of

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my own and finance and then I
do the marketing for a couple of local

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businesses. So super busy. But
the things I do that I actually enjoyed

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doing are the things that involved sharing
and communicating truth and helping people, you

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know, connect with our creator.
That's the stuff I'm passionate about. That's

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fantastic. And another question I'd like
to ask everyone is where Because we talked

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before we hit the record button about
you have been in the conspiracy roalm for

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many, many, many years,
and we also talked about how different,

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like you mentioned in the beginning,
how different the flat Earth conspiracy is like

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some of you find out something JFK
this and that, and it's kind of

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huh, that's interesting. But the
flat Earth is it's a game change.

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Everybody who is a flat earther has
gone through that to some extent. What

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were the other I guess talking in
your journey to I guess twenty twenty one

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would have been when you came about
to flat Earth? What were the big

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ones that started to like? I
think for me at least, it was

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I had to break down many of
the other conspiracies and accept them before I

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could have ever thought of looking into
flat Earth. Yeah, I think the

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amount we're willing to be open to
the potential implications of something being true kind

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of determines our willingness to even put
it on the table and examine it.

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So, going back to probably seven
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not your typical like Christian, much
less pastor. I'm a rebel at heart.

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I do my I've always done my
own thing as a Christian that changes

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and I my transformation is from the
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But given all that, the first
couple things were really around like the

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build of Berg. And then nine
to eleven was the first couple of things.

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And the weird thing looking back now
is like it was like the implications

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of me choosing that to be true, the conspiracies to be true weren't so

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great in my life. To me, it was almost like a form of

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entertainment. I'm a curious person and
so my brain loves to think about these

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possibilities and how absurd that might be. And then I continued on that journey

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of you know, curiosity and like
beginning to see you know, but it

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didn't flip my whole world upside down. I was like, these things could

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be conspiracies, but there's no telling
why or what, and overall they're probably

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just blips on the radar. And
then when we got to twenty fifteen and

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twenty sixteen and the media flipped the
switch, to me, it looked like

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the media became obviously agenda driven,
propaganda and divisive and they were telling lies

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that like I said, my family
is in politics or in politics at that

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time, and I followed stuff closely, and I even knew some of the

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people they were, you know,
lying about and stuff. And I'm not

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saying I know who's good or who's
bad, because trust me, I don't,

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but I'm saying I knew that the
media flipped a switch where they just

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started saying whatever they wanted they would
help their agenda. And at that point

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in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, it
got more serious because then obviously the president

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came under accusations of colluding with a
foreign nation. That's a very serious accusation.

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And that point it kind of notched
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like, oh, this is affecting
relationships with people I know and their relationships

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with each other because they're being divided, and it's actually causing tension in real

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life with my relationships and the relationships
of almost everyone I knew in some way

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or another. And that's the point
when it was kind of like, oh,

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these conspiracies are actually they have serious
implications. And I'd say from like

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twenty sixteen into COVID, I'd like, in my mind, I had mastered

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the information that was available as far
as what the world is and how it's

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operated. And when COVID hit,
I immediately like, and I'm not just

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saying this, there's a lot of
people out there that are just like this.

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So I'm not patting myself on the
back. But I called it from

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I mean, from the day they
mentioned it, and then the lockdowns,

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and then where that was gonna go, and then as soon as they mentioned

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the special medicine, you know,
and I've never I at that point,

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I had never had a single thought
in my life about vaccines. I was

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in the military. I had never
although as an adult, I will say

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I don't go to the doctor and
I don't get shots that aren't going to

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like actually help me in a noticeable
beneficial way, even back you know,

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going back to two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight. But intuitively

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I knew immediately when they announced the
special medicine. And my wife is a

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restatory therapist, so she's in the
mix, and she's kind of trailing me

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on this truth stuff, but she's
come around a lot. But long story

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short, as soon as they announced
ward feed out, I said out loud

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to her, like the moment I
heard it, I said, I will

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never take that. You cannot produce
eight billion doses after developing, discovering,

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and putting together the of production and
distribution that quickly. And I don't care

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who says it or why or even
if it worked, and it did,

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say, Grandma, it's absurd to
think you should put that in your body,

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in my opinion, And so then
the COVID notched it up even more.

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So that's kind of been my journey
of truth seeking really well been to

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later sure sure up until the you
know, twenty twenty one ish and well

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done, And again COVID was one
of those double edged swords because it did.

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I've gotten so many emails and talked
to so many people that said COVID

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was the reason why the people woke
up, right it was. It was

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my wife up and she's not like
me, she's not curious by nature,

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but she went from listening and she's
always willing to listen to me, which

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is a blessing, but she went
from listening to agreeing about a lot of

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stuff. So yeah, that there
were so many red flags from you know

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that them deeming that the multi billion
dollar industries is essential and your business not

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essential to jabber job. Just there
was so much you know, everything that

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we're supposed to stand for is not
just Americans but as Christians, that so

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many people just folded like a lawn
chair for it. Was very disappointing at

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the same time because of the way
they played it, it did wake up

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so many people. So we always
have to look at the good things out

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of the bad situations, and I
think that's a positive. Oh for sure.

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I mean, you got it.
I mean, this is the battle

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that we're in. The battle we're
in is how absurd are the lies going

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to become? And how many people
are going to realize that before they've lied

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themselves into total control. That's basically
the battle we're all in. Yeah,

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and a great point with the media
in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. I

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think in retrospect looking back, it
does go back a lot further than that.

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But I think you're right that time
frame twenty six twenty seventeen is when

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it became evident when the media became
an echo chamber, and you know,

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Team AY had a certain you know
script that they read, and Team B

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on the right they had their script
and they all said the same things.

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They had the same narratives and if
you just vote harder, the world will

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be a much better place. Yeah. It went from like the method of

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we're gonna control what people think without
them knowing to we're going to control what

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people think. They're gonna know we
want to, but we're gonna make the

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lies and the things we say so
inflammatory it won't even register because they'll be

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too busy reacting and in fear and
in anger, and then it just keep

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samp and up, you know.
And also I will tell you that people

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completely have distrusted them at all time, low ratings and podcasts alternative that everyone

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is looking for alternative media to get
their sources from. And that's what everybody

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should be doing. Get your sources
from three or four alternative you know sources,

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and use your best judgment to discern
what's going on. I once a

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day I will go to one of
the websites just to see their narrative,

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what they're pushing. Right, You
always want to keep your eye on the

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enemy. But I have my sources
and folks that I talk to and I

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discern from myself, because I can
assure you at best, what your Fox

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News and CNN and MSNBC are telling
you, is it best a little truth

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with a lot of lie in it. Yeah, And the key is,

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and you're exactly right. I do
the same thing, and the track people

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fall into regardless even if they make
good practice of us independent journalists and collecting

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and discerning the human condition and to
like, we have this need in this

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craving for immediate judgments. And so
the thing if you're really going to discern,

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especially in the conspiracy world, because
there's a there is a lot of

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truth out there and it's super important, and that is where the truth will

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be found right now because it's the
only people bold enough to speak it.

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But you're gonna come across a lot
of stuff you need to throw away too.

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And if you're looking to like you
hear about this one day and by

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the end of the day you want
to know exactly what you believe about it,

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you're not gonna stay on the path
to kind of connecting everything you know

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one percent absolutely well done. Before
we start talking about how you found your

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way to the flood Earth, I
always like to ask us, well,

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before flatter, did you take time
to look into the moon landings? Is

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that something that you encountered? So
what I felt the moon landing felt completely

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irrelevant to me, but I did
lean towards it being fake. But I

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watched some documentaries and I was pretty
well convinced it was fake. But It

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didn't really matter to me because I
was like, they could have faked it

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just to get ahead of Russian the
Cold War. This is at the time.

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I was like, there's a million
reasons they could have faked it.

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It was nineteen sixty nine, you
know, they probably felt they needed to

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do it right away with the Cold
War, and Kennedy had been assassinated and

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he had promised we would do it
by the end of the decade, and

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YadA, YadA, YadA. So
I did look into that, and I

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did lean towards it definitely being fake, but I never had it. It

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didn't seem to have enough impact in
my worldview to even be motivated to make

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a definitive decision on it. It
just kind of hung out there. If

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someone asked me, I would have
probably told them, yeah, I think

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it's fake. You know. Yeah. I was kind of the same way.

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It was fascinating, And I think
it's interesting that you mentioned the rabbit

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holes, because I'm like, I
like to be a problem solver. So

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when I connected a dot, I
was a paddle on the back. And

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then, like you said, there
came a day when when you realize that

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all of these rabbit holes are real
life people are dying, people are getting

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killed, and then kind of a
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for a lot of people, they
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rabbit hole for a little bit.
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look at people like Vince Founster and
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Gulf of Tonkin, you realize that
while it's cool to try to to research

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and find things, there comes a
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who's life are affected on the other
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Absolutely, and I couldn't agree more. And it's some some we all have

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our limits of what we can tolerate
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thing is like, as a Christian, as a believer, if I'm looking

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into the darkness and utilizing my curiosity
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bigger impact on me, and I'm
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of what's to come and the ultimate
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written that it would happen and this
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know, just balancing that with with
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was like yes, this is super
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that said this, but they said, if you look into the darkness long

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enough, you're going to become it, become the dark. And with that,

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what does it do? You know
the exact quote. I don't,

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but I know exactly. If you
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God is truth, and if we

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had that light, the darkness will
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always and sometimes I've had friends have
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look, I get it, it
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even farther, and remember that this
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already decided. I think maybe it
was. I think it's pronounced niche she

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or nichzecke battle not with monsters.
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you gaze into the abyss, the
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thank you so much, so much
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search engine. And you know what
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you know, the moon. Obviously
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we do be there by the end
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we had to beat Russia, which
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the sixties. They brought in the
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drugs throughout the country to get people
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I think that was probably a huge
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we were losing between and I'm talking
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losing between five hundred and six hundred
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also served as a bit of a
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my grandfather did three tours as a
helicopter Polly got shot down twice,

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and when they came home, no
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kind of not thankful at all,
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in the fact that the war was
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people, and the American people.
I'm you know, I'm thank god we

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had American citizens then that were willing
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right and I'm not gonna do what
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fixed, you know. But yeah, it's and like, looking back on

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those things, I came across all
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the thing that really hit me with
the truth that there's not just a few

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little white lives here or there,
like the world is controlled by the author

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of lies. If there's a voice
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super high chance that what they're saying
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way or another, you know what
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floodgates of like everything is basically a
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us. Hey men to that.
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you talk to us a little bit
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a book? How did you let
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a look into this. Did you
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gonna, you know, prove that
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and I'll move on with my life. Or was it something else? It

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was so subtle and unexpected and unintentional, Like looking back, I'm just like

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I think about, like, what
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know. So I've deleted this at
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I don't keep it on my phone, but at the time I was using

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picktok I do music and stuff,
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I would look into some of the
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feet And then one day one little
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I dismissed it out of hand.
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I didn't want to look at it. I thought it made the people

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like me who knew the truth about
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down to anyone. But it's one
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where I held a genuine disdain for
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on TikTok and there was a video
that popped up. I don't remember what

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it was. I just remember I
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person's page because what they just showed
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I think it might have been like
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kind of that diagram, right.
It showed Antarctica as an ice wall,

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which in my entire life I love
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kid, I adore map and the
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like Leasen map with the ice wall. I saw that and I was like,

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oh, that's kind of neat.
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I was like, I'm just gonna
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this is bogus. And the person
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I sat there for two or three
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to the next one, watch that
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I just sat there and I wasn't
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to decide if this was true or
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and I stopped strolling. I had
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them all in one sitting, but
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days, when I finally made it
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kind of knew I had a problem
because I was like, this makes like

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the logic and the evidence and the
observable experimentation that was being done to prove

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the perspective that the Earth is flat. It shocked me, honestly. I

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was like, this is the opposite
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are wrong. This is some of
the best like citizen science I've ever seen.

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And it took I didn't mention a
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I like, my wife is my
best friend. She's the one who lets

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me get everything in my head out
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you know, it's it's a way
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what I'm thinking. And I didn't
say a word to her. I didn't

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say a word to anybody for three
to four weeks probably, and then when

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I finally realized, like I think
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I didn't sleep for like three nights
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have to tell my wife that I'm
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I finally I you know, I'd
like you do I did the bread crumbs,

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or I'd be like this, this
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check this out what they said about
this, you know what I mean,

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eased in And here we are a
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and it just really uh and I've
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but I got to say that the
most important thing to me because my

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entire life as a believer, because
I didn't really grow up in church,

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I didn't grow up reading the Bible. I was an adult before I really

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heard the Gospel and believed, and
I was a rebellious person and I believed

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science, you know what I mean, Like I was thankful that I lived

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at a time when science was so
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I'm not saying I know one hundred
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I'm like, I definitely know it's
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but I'm at like, you know, at this time, I was probably

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like fifty percent that it's flat or
level and just processing that in it.

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The more you know, discern you
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to the side, let it simmer, let it connect. I've never read

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the scripture like I've always had doubts. So in my whole Christian life,

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even when I was a pastor of
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with doubt because like I'm stupid in
a lot of ways, but in comprehending

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narrative and story and how it connects
some like ninety nine percent of And I

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knew when I read the scriptures and
what the scientific consensus is simply do not

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meld. And it doesn't matter how
you loop it, how you justify it,

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how you try to, you know, bringing both into the gray area

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where they could both be true.
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I knew that they did not make
sense like their opposing worldviews, and I

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struggle with doubt, like serious doubt
for a long time because of that about

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the size of the universe, and
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like the idea that we're God's special
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Earth is the only planet with life
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that that were true, And I
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with us so that we wouldn't feel
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matter is it's such a big lie, and it's so well propagated and taught

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and defended that we look at it
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say when we're coming out of school
and growing up. But now, like

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reading the scriptures, you know,
it just really blew my mind It made

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me feel comforted because God is close
and nearby, and he did make earth

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and humans as a place where we
could enjoy creation, and that he's not

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thirteen billion light years away or whatever. I mean. It just really it

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unlocked a deeper level of faith without
doubt. I struggle still, but doubt

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isn't really one of them. But
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realize, like, Wow, Satan
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kinda like he's in total control.
Amen. And you know, another thing

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we have to contend with as far
as discerning what we're taught in the Bible

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and what we're taught and you know
in school, et cetera, is for

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most people, they're in church one
or two, maybe three hours a week

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when you're younger, and you're in
school thirty five to forty hours a week

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plus all your homework, where you're
getting that constant indoctrination about the Big Bang

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and evolution and the globe and on
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that's a big thing that hopefully we
can get more church leaders on board with

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really looking into it and understanding that
they're not lying about everything except we're on

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a ball spinning and water sticking to
a ball, et cetera. Like you

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said, you know, day everything
is alliant. Yeah, and it's you

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know, going back to school,
Like I'm I have high intelligence, but

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I'm also very add so if I'm
not interested in, I don't really pay

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attention, but I can pass it
to And so like third grade, second

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grade, fourth grade, fifth grade, I literally don't remember a single lesson,

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you know, like I can't pull
one up. But there's one lesson

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from all of elementary school that I
remember the day we had it. I

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remember the chair I was sitting in, and I remember the way I felt

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when we went to recess afterwards.
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were talking about Columbus and selling to
the New World and that it was a

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concern because they thought the earth was
flattened and that they might fall off the

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edge. And everyone laughed and the
teacher said, how dumb that was,

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in a mocking way. It was
almost like a ritual, a ritual to

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make us arrogant in the belief of
a lie. And that just always stuck

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with me, and I think that's
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want to just go in the eighties
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me, that is the moment when
all of us subconsciously decide I will never

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be associated with flat earthers because my
third grade teacher was the nicest person I

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ever knew, and she even called
them done. I certainly remember that story,

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and I'm sure excuse me that that
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carefully. It even may have been
a story that they certainly crafted for the

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books to get us to believe this
plan has been in place for at least

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you know, five hundred years,
going back to Copernicus. And again,

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these people plan decades and centuries ahead, where our long term planning is what

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are you doing Christmas Eve? So
you know everything they do, you know,

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not to be the dead orse.
But through the TV and the television,

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there's a globe and it's to subtly
remind you, it's rein enforcement that

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it's a globe. It's a globe. It's a globe. And if you

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question it, then, like that
paper I read from I think Harvard,

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you get associated as a anti vaxer
and all these other negative things that go

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along with it. So most people
don't want to even there, you know,

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So many people are so worried about
what other people think of them that

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they're not even going to go down
that pribital. Yeah, I mean,

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well, life is hard enough without
the people you spent your life earning their

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respect and making sure you know you
care and love about them and you're a

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decent person. You know, life
is hard enough without saying I'm going to

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put this out there and everyone's gonna
immediately think worse of me. Yeah,

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you know, And it's sad that
it's that way, but it's also worth

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it because I've noticed, just in
my own life to varying degrees, but

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the more authentic you are, even
if it means you're not as strong,

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are as smart, or as good
as people think you are, your life

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will carry more power and joy if
you just walk in the shoe size you

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currently have. And it's just such
a huge part of it. But our

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society, like to me, America
is like we're a lot sicker and we've

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been a lot sicker and than any
of us realize. And don't get me

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00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:38.440
wrong, like I think of all
the places to probably live throughout modern history,

410
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:45.639
having a constitution and you know,
the First and Second Amendment and a

411
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somewhat decent opportunity to live a prosperous
and comfortable life. I think we have

412
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:59.599
it made. But I think pretty
much everyone is workaholics. We all work

413
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:05.280
too much. We're all focused on
work. And the thing about that is

414
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:12.559
is like to be successful, you
have to diminish your real thoughts, opinions,

415
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:19.800
beliefs, and image because the fact
of the matter is, don't matter

416
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:25.559
who it is any one of us. If we're ourself, we're gonna have

417
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:32.599
more people that don't like us,
but we'll have more people that actually do

418
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:37.159
like us for who we are too. But we're just so you know,

419
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:45.199
we're kind of a shallow culture where
money driven culture like we're just it's sad

420
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:52.280
to me because in the end,
it doesn't those things don't matter, but

421
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:57.440
yet a lot not all and we
all we swim in this water, so

422
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.840
none of us are immune, right, but it just kind of saddens me.

423
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:07.599
Good people, good loving people.
I know, their whole life has

424
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:16.880
basically no pun intended gravitated around this
sense and this need of being in the

425
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:24.800
competition of life and doing better than
others so that they can feel good about

426
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:30.880
themselves and other people will admire and
really, we should admire people for their

427
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:37.679
character, right, they're diligent,
their willingness to sacrifice for others when needed,

428
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:42.480
you know what I mean. Our
society teaches us that judgment on his

429
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if he's successful. Like if you
see a guy in a suit and he's

430
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:50.920
got two Mercedes in a big house, he's labeled as successful. Right,

431
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:54.079
Yeah, yeah, I mean,
there was something I wrote the other day.

432
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I'm not going to read the whole
thing because it's kind of long,

433
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:02.320
but it basically came down to,
like, the reason we have leaders that

434
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:13.280
are guided by self interest disguised self
interest, is because our culture has taught

435
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:17.079
us that if you're gonna win,
if you're going to be at the top,

436
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:22.679
if you're going to be successful,
then you have to be ruthless.

437
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:30.000
But you also have to be dethipful
about how ruthless you are. It's like

438
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:35.599
this double handed thing where like the
most successful and probably the most ruthless that

439
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:38.000
we're willing to step on other people
like she do whatever it took, but

440
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:45.239
they're also the ones who were really
good and clever about making sure not everyone

441
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:52.400
realized that. And that's the way
our culture rewards us. And then we

442
00:39:52.519 --> 00:40:01.199
wonder why we have politicians and leaders
and representatives and CEOs that operate from that

443
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:07.880
same place, a character where it's
like, I'm gonna be ruthless, but

444
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:14.960
I'm also gonna be the one that
appears the least truthless simultaneously for sure,

445
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:21.960
dishonest. You know, uh,
what's you know, not a shape shifter,

446
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.840
but some what's the little animal that
changes colors? Some evidabtai a chamellion?

447
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:30.559
Thank you since yeah we're but yeah, a chameleon. And and they

448
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:35.480
obviously will come out and say what
they mean. Most of the people in

449
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:37.920
DC tonight are saying, uh,
they hope that war doesn't break out.

450
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:44.239
But most of those guys know I
read an article of my other podcast the

451
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:46.920
other day. I think it was
close to eighty percent of the generals who

452
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:52.320
retire go straight into the military industrial
complex to work. So these people that's

453
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.840
where they get their bread buttered in
the in the pharmaceutical industrial complex and the

454
00:40:55.880 --> 00:41:01.199
military industrial complex. So these people
are warners. And again they'll they'll stand

455
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:06.119
behind a microphone and tell you how
piece is the only way. But then

456
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:10.320
they'll vote to send the troops off
to you know, the create an emergency

457
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:16.440
and that's when we say, if
you allow a government to kind of sidestep

458
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:22.119
our bylaws, which in this country
is the constitution during times of emergency,

459
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:28.199
well they're going to create the emergency, oh for sure. And it's so

460
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:31.960
absurd that I think a lot of
people see it. But it's absurd that

461
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:36.119
they get away with what they do, because the fact of the matter is

462
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:42.760
if we had a president and a
Congress that stuck up to the principle of

463
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:51.920
we're not gonna hurt anyone unless they're
on our shore or approaching our shore,

464
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:58.719
and we will defend ourselves. But
the problem is we've been meddling in everything

465
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:05.719
for so longipulating currencies and poverty through
the dollar in the World Bank, like

466
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:12.360
getting bending countries to our will by
you know, devaluing their currency. And

467
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:17.239
they do all that while they convince
us that, you know, we're a

468
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:24.599
shining beacon of truth and justice.
We have that potential and I think some

469
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:29.559
of that history. But when they
started going and fighting wars, we had

470
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:35.360
no business in and killing people that
if we hadn't, America would be even

471
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:39.840
more secure. When we started going
down that path is when our security actually

472
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:43.920
got worse. Like when we went
to do the War on Terror, the

473
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:52.880
security of America got exponentially worse because
now we're creating enemies with just hatred for

474
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:57.679
some of the things that were done. And if we had just said,

475
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:02.360
you know, we're gonna defend our
shores, we're gonna do things that make

476
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:07.280
sure even though I know for a
fact nine to eleven could have never happened

477
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:10.559
by an outside party. Of course, but even if it had, if

478
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:20.280
we had focused on security measures and
changed just some simple basic intercept and some

479
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:24.840
things like that, you know,
even if it meant like people in America

480
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:30.039
that were a threat had to go
through a serious process of determining whether they

481
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:34.639
were going to stay, you know, on the extreme side. But the

482
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:45.920
fact that Korea, Vietnam, desert
Storm, Afghanistan, Iraq, now Ukraine,

483
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:52.239
where we're basically fighting Russia with well, no, we're really just making

484
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:57.880
a lot of people in the oligarchy
rich. Ye are fighting a proxy war

485
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.719
to a certain extent. Yeah,
And the way they in my opinion,

486
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:09.800
the way they've extended NATO. If
you're the president of Russia and you had

487
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:16.280
clearly communicated like you guys are doing
your thing with NATO, these are my

488
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:22.280
limits. As long as we're cool
there, it's cool. And then those

489
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.920
limits are broken over and over and
over and over and over again when you

490
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:32.320
haven't provoked or attacked anyone or I'm
not saying they haven't, because they probably

491
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:37.960
have, but I'm just saying the
people in charge knew what they were doing

492
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:42.800
when they kept pushing the buttons.
That we don't need to be in Ukraine,

493
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:45.880
you know what I mean, Like
we don't need NATO that far.

494
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:52.760
Like NATO was originally designed as just
a defense not an attack thing, you

495
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.760
know what I mean, kind of
like the Department of Defense, which should

496
00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:01.840
be defense, not offense exactly.
It's the Department of You know, if

497
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:07.000
you get people mad and that they'll
pay us to go hurt people, that's

498
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:10.599
right, and we'll steal their resources
and everything else. And like I said,

499
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:13.880
you know, if they come to
our shores, everybody will do the

500
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:17.440
right thing to protect their families and
their land. But man, it's just

501
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:21.639
you know, if I was elected
president tomorrow, bring everybody home and we

502
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:25.039
would have the most secure border in
the world. But that that's not how

503
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:30.480
this works. And like you said, it all goes back to accountability and

504
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:35.320
the lies and this actually getting back
to the flat Earth. If we could

505
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:40.199
expose this as the fraud it is, that would have a huge I think

506
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:45.079
it would lead to a huge chain
of events that would maybe just maybe we

507
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:51.079
could get some accountability. Yeah,
yeah, and that's I'm glad you said

508
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:58.519
that. One of the most discouraging
but yet helpful things I've learned is that

509
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:06.559
all humans live their lives like the
millions of decisions they make every day without

510
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:12.840
even thinking, and you know,
the way they see everything. It has

511
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:16.880
to be built within a story because
if you don't, if you're not living

512
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:24.199
your life within a story, then
you're in confusion and uncertain and it's uncomfortable.

513
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:32.599
And no one does that intentionally or
lightly. Like every everyone lives within

514
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:37.679
a story where everything they've heard and
learned, they've decided, Okay, this

515
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:43.840
is the narrative. And governments do
a great job, like you said on

516
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:49.079
the Long Game, of saying this
is the basic premise and story. People

517
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:54.280
are going to operate with them.
And it took me a lot, like

518
00:46:54.480 --> 00:47:00.079
COVID really just and maybe some of
the election stuff going back, to realize

519
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:06.679
like one little thing, even if
you present all the evidence, people are

520
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:15.280
not gonna change their entire story or
unbind their story to adjust it. Even

521
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:20.480
if one little, not little,
but one absurd thing like nine to eleven,

522
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:25.639
for example, if indisputable evidence like
in everyone Knew without a doubt,

523
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:35.039
the fact of the matter is if
they didn't see how that's not just a

524
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:37.559
blip, It's not just an error. It's not like a one time thing

525
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:44.079
where a few people made the wrong
decision. The narrative of your mind has

526
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:52.480
to become the story of truth,
which is a lot harder than it might

527
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:59.760
seem, because that's basically your entire
existence, like your reason and meaning for

528
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:05.920
being alive, is the story you
believe and see the world. And I

529
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:10.119
think the flat Earth that may be
one of the few things. It's a

530
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:21.119
lie so big that when someone sees
it, it will unwind the story that

531
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:27.000
we've been planted with and allows someone
to go back and edit it and try

532
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:32.880
to rewrite the way they see everything. If that makes sense, perfect sense,

533
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:37.880
perfect sense. Like Joseph Goebbels on
the Big Lie, he says,

534
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:42.880
if you tell a lie big enough
and keep repeating it, people will eventually

535
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:47.760
come to believe it. And that's
a fact because it's in our history books.

536
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:52.039
And also I think that they're speaking
of blips in Under the Radar.

537
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:54.440
I think they were blown away about
World of the Worlds. And that was

538
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:58.840
even before TV. That was like
thirty eight, thirty nine, about ninety

539
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:02.239
years ago, when they played War
the Worlds and was it seven million people

540
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:05.559
called nine to one one that night, Well, they didn't have nine to

541
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:09.239
one one, but they called the
emergency services and the local people in New

542
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:13.960
Jersey were shooting their water towers.
And I think that, you know,

543
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:19.719
the people at the top of the
food chain, like Edward Berne's at Sessa,

544
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.519
We're like, wow, look these
people will believe anything. And then

545
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:30.000
eventually TV came about and game was
on. The most powerful and impactful inventions

546
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:36.840
through human history are the ones that
communicate a story to humans in a way

547
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:43.639
that they desire to absorb. The
printing press, the TV, the radio,

548
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:52.760
the internet probably the biggest actual inventions
in human history, the most impactful

549
00:49:52.119 --> 00:50:00.199
because it allows people to be given
a story that they will absorb. And

550
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:05.400
we're real resistant to absorbing stories because
we don't want to adjust our narrative.

551
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:12.320
But the TV through entertainment, because
it's not you're not watching TV saying or

552
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:16.760
watching movies or reading books saying,
oh, I'm gonna read this fiction book

553
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:21.880
for entertainment. For entertainment is what
you're saying. You're not saying, I'm

554
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:27.239
going to read this fiction book and
it's going to subliminally alter the way I

555
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:30.239
see everything, and I won't realize
it. And I do that five hundred

556
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:36.199
times and before you know it,
I think I have my own independent opinions

557
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:40.960
in perspective, But it's actually been
carefully and craftfully woven together over time.

558
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:46.440
And uh, it's a powerful thing. But it's also on outside because the

559
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:52.000
biggest story and the most powerful story
ever given is the Word of God.

560
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:58.960
And it's no coincidence in my opinion
that it says Jesus was the word.

561
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:06.079
Basically, Jesus is the culmination and
the expression of the true story of God,

562
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:12.800
powerful enough to break us free from
the lies. Amen to that,

563
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.719
And I'm so glad you mentioned the
printing press and how technology be can used

564
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:22.000
against us or like what's going on
right now, it can be used for

565
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:27.360
good. But Gutenberg was I think
given credit for the printer, which was

566
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:31.480
the mid fifteenth century, and that
was, without a doubt, the single

567
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:37.880
most important factor in the success of
the Protestant Reformation. Oh yeah, for

568
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:44.480
sure. So without question, it
all comes back to us, the people

569
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:47.440
choosing. Right, we put the
TV in front of us, and if

570
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:52.159
we take in the information without discernment, that's on us. But it can

571
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.760
be used for good as well.
You just have to. It's really your

572
00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:00.000
choice to figure out what is good
and what's not good. If you're spend

573
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:06.000
your entire day watching movies, you're
probably being programmed. But if you're on

574
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:10.880
the internet looking for information and go
down alternative news websites and looking at more

575
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:15.880
than one source for a particular piece
of information, you're probably using it for

576
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:23.000
good. Yeah, And there's a
there's a human dynamic. I do personality

577
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:29.239
coaching too, and I've been studying
that for a long time. And the

578
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:36.480
people that will have the most impact
in their actions for the truth aren't the

579
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:43.880
people that are going to be the
most interested in discovering uncomfortable truths. Because

580
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.360
you have like the action oriented people, just that's their game, that's where

581
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:53.480
they live, that's their strength.
And then you have the mind centered group,

582
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:58.480
and then you have the heart centered
group. So like the heart centered

583
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:05.840
group is everything in life is about
relationships, and so uncomfortable truths are going

584
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:10.599
to be uninteresting for them to search
and even harder for them to accept because

585
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:15.639
of how it's going to affect their
primary focus. Wherein then, like the

586
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:23.320
action group, they want to accomplish
and influence and have leverage over their environment

587
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:29.960
for good or bad, and for
them to take the time and the interest

588
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:36.199
in something that's only going to make
their actions more difficult and incongruent to success

589
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.559
is very hard. And then you
have the mind group, and I think

590
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:45.280
a lot of truthers we fall in
that category of three basic personality types where

591
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:53.400
we are primarily our dominant intelligence centeris
the mind, and so I think we're

592
00:53:53.480 --> 00:54:00.000
kind of the head of the sphere
on revealing it to the to the people.

593
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:05.639
But then we need to give that
torch to the people that are just

594
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:12.119
naturally so good at action and so
good at relationships. And that's you knows,

595
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.679
there has to be this like not
no one of us can do it,

596
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:17.880
you know, And that's what I
really like about you. I get

597
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:22.559
a sense that you're an action,
action oriented person. But because of your

598
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:30.880
experience in the past and how wrong
the things you had been through were,

599
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:37.239
you found that motivation, and so
it's kind of a cool combination for me

600
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:39.480
for me to listen to you.
I really enjoy it. Well, I

601
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:43.519
appreciate it, and I think with
everybody, as you get older, you

602
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:46.639
reflect on your past and your past
life, and that's what gives you wisdom.

603
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:52.840
You can't you can't buy wisdom with
a diploma, right, and that

604
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:57.239
is just something that you learn through
your mistakes. And luckily for me,

605
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:01.320
I've made so many mistakes. I've
got so much wisdom now. But seriously,

606
00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:07.360
I was going to ask you,
you know you really talking about the

607
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:12.639
three different categories and everything else.
That kind of makes a perfect segue from

608
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:17.079
a next question is have you dabbled
into sharing the knowledge and what success have

609
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:25.280
you had with that? So I've
had some success. For the first couple

610
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:29.639
of months, I didn't say a
word to anybody, like, wouldn't even

611
00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:36.039
leave a comment online or anything,
just because I was, you know,

612
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:37.960
I was letting it simmer. I
was processing. I was like, this

613
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:44.559
isn't one of those things you can
communicate and then change your mind in six

614
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:52.079
months. You want to make sure
that you've given yourself the appropriate amount of

615
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:57.639
time to discern and to collect information. And to connect to everything and to

616
00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:04.239
see what probably you know, accurate
and what's not and all that. But

617
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:08.400
after a while my wife I talked
to her and don't get me, she's

618
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:13.199
she's not like me, like I'm
super opinionated. She's one of those action

619
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:19.840
people and she's such a blessing in
my life. But our minds were completely

620
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:25.639
different, you know. And the
way she kind of filters information is is

621
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:36.000
this information going to benefit my practical
need to create the environment I want and

622
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:43.400
that's peaceful and safe. And so
she hasn't just come out and said,

623
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:47.199
oh, oh I believe it,
but I can tell that I think she

624
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:55.039
does. She liked some of my
posts sometimes about it that I and I

625
00:56:55.079 --> 00:57:00.880
don't even post flatter stuff to my
actual personal social media. To me,

626
00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:07.239
it's a face to faith conversation.
I put information out on an Instagram page

627
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:12.360
called Curve not Found. It's a
collection for me. It's a collection of

628
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:21.320
information and illustrations of the truth of
the flat Earth that I use as a

629
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:28.360
catalog when I'm talking to people.
And it's even a bonus that, you

630
00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:30.719
know, some of my posts had
gotten traction with like not a lot,

631
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:36.000
but like one post got twenty two
thousand views and I've only been doing it

632
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:39.840
a few months there, but face
to faith. So the first person I

633
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:45.079
mentioned it to was one of my
closest friends. His wife and my wife

634
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:50.119
are friends. Were really close.
He does music, We see a lot

635
00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:53.719
of things eye to eye. He's
a pastor as well. And I mentioned

636
00:57:53.719 --> 00:58:01.719
it to him and kind of explained
why, even though it's absurd that I'm

637
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:07.039
pretty sure this is true, and
he was already a young Earth's god,

638
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:12.480
you know, he believes that the
earth is like less than ten thousand years

639
00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:22.679
old. Sure, And so to
my surprise, he's actually somewhat on board.

640
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:27.679
He's intrigued by it. I'll say, I don't think he's at the

641
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:30.920
level where he's like I'm comfortable,
because he's one of those people. If

642
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:35.480
he believes it, it's gonna be
on him, like you know what I

643
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:40.119
mean, Like he's not if it's
true, he's He's just the type of

644
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:45.719
person that, like, if I
integrate this into my worldview, then it

645
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:47.920
becomes part of who I am in
every aspect of sure, word on a

646
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:52.920
sleeve, Yeah, which is an
honorable thing. And he's intrigued by we

647
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:58.360
talk about it. He's never once
dismissed since the first conversation. He asked

648
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:04.800
me questions. And the funny thing
is he's got a son that's probably thirteen

649
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:07.360
or fourteen, that's just the greatest
kid. He's so expressive in everything,

650
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:14.239
and he became a flat earther like
straight away. And so every time I

651
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:20.159
see his son, he's always asking
me flat earth questions. And one time

652
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:23.800
he was like, the kids at
school don't believe me. They think it's

653
00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:28.639
stupid. I'm like, you know, and I was like, well,

654
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:34.280
that's not surprising at all, But
I said, all of us are on

655
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:39.440
our own journey towards truth, and
just because you're ahead of them or on

656
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:45.599
a different journey, you have to
love them and realize that it's not personal.

657
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:52.320
It's just the way the story in
their mind works and how they see

658
00:59:52.440 --> 01:00:00.880
lives. And then I've talked to
a handful of others. I've thrown some

659
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:07.239
breadcrumbs. I definitely have talked to. So two of my siblings are pretty

660
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:13.039
much on board. I have six
total. Two of my siblings are on

661
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:24.800
board. I've got one of my
parents with one foot in maybe. But

662
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:29.320
the cool thing about it is like, if you communicate it in a way

663
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:32.400
where it's like, I know,
this is absolutely absurd, and if I

664
01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:37.719
was in your shoes, I would
think I was so stupid. But check

665
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:42.760
out this and why I think this
is probably true. At least they're not

666
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:47.320
gonna they know that you realize how
absurd it sounds, you know what I

667
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:53.559
mean? Oh that helps. And
no one that I've talked to about it

668
01:00:53.639 --> 01:01:00.159
was just like I've gotten some laughs
here and there, but the craziest thing

669
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:06.039
to me, George, this is
the craziest thing. So I hadn't been

670
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:15.039
doing any church work at all since
twenty thirteen, and I didn't really want

671
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:19.440
to, not because I don't think
it's an honorable thing, but because,

672
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:23.840
like I said earlier, I'm kind
of the prodigal side, you know,

673
01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:31.159
I don't think I'm the person people
should look to as like an example that's

674
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:36.360
without flaw or blemish, or that
it's able to put forth an image that

675
01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:39.079
people are like, Oh, yes, he's what I expect when I think

676
01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:44.199
of a Christian, you know what
I mean, I'm the Christian that's like,

677
01:01:44.239 --> 01:01:47.760
I'm so jacked up. My only
hope was God himself had to die,

678
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:54.920
Like that's that's it. And so
this church we've been going to for

679
01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:59.400
a couple of years asked me to
start doing the music. And I'm not,

680
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:07.480
like, I wouldn't think I'm talented
with music, but I started leading

681
01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:10.840
worship just me and my guitar in
this pretty large church. So it was

682
01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:17.920
intimidating because it went from like a
super talented band that's like professional musicians to

683
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:24.039
just me and my acoustic guitar.
And the first Sunday I did that,

684
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:30.119
the presence of God just showed up
so powerfully. And I haven't as it's

685
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:34.360
been a year and a half,
I haven't asked a single person to help

686
01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:37.960
me. And now I've got a
team of ten or twelve people and they're

687
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:43.280
all more talented than me, and
it's like a little family. And I

688
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:50.760
met my first real life flat Earth. There's ever when these guys I know

689
01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:59.480
both of them came on at the
same time and he brought it up about

690
01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:01.360
it and I was like, WHOA. And I was still kind of gunshot

691
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:04.880
about you and being like, oh, I do too, because other people

692
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:09.639
were around. But that, in
my mind, is God really loving me

693
01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:15.800
in a way that's beyond what's necessary, because he's saying you're going through this.

694
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:20.599
You probably feel somewhat alone in this. And I'm not only going to

695
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:23.519
give you people to help you with
leading worship, but I'm going to give

696
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:34.840
you people that can encourage you and
be a source of edification and education and

697
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:42.480
conversation in a comfortable, unintimidating way, free of shame. And it's been

698
01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:49.599
beautiful and now everyone pretty and I'm
not. My thing is like at church,

699
01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:55.039
the important thing is unity, truth
and unity like the core truth of

700
01:03:55.079 --> 01:04:02.239
the Gospel and what the Bible says
about the story of redemption, like that's

701
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:10.719
the core truth and unity is super
important, and so I don't I don't

702
01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:15.360
bring it up there. I've talked
to my pastor about it and he wasn't

703
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:19.719
like condescending or anything, but I
think what I said, I think when

704
01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:24.840
I just mentioned it, he was
like, that's going to take some convincing

705
01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:27.559
and I was like, well,
I'm not going to convence unless you want

706
01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:30.840
to be and that was that,
and we're friends and we leave it at

707
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:35.119
that, you know. But my
thing is that people do have such a

708
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:41.519
strong reaction to it that if I'm
going to talk to him, I'm not

709
01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:47.000
going to talk to him in that
building unless they ask me questions. Because

710
01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:58.039
if the Lord wills for that to
become a widespread at least option of belief

711
01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:01.199
where people like, you know,
I don't want the people that go to

712
01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:13.280
church there to be like ashamed or
looked down on by the community because they're

713
01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.559
like, oh, that church is
where the flat earth got, does you

714
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:24.519
know? And so there's the other
side of that coin of like unapologetically being

715
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:28.880
truthful, and I do my best
to do that. I'm a very authentic

716
01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:38.480
person, but I take my responsibility
of making sure people get into the presence

717
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:45.840
of God in that capacity. That's
my main priority. And we're all at

718
01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:49.719
different places in the journey. So
someone today that might get offended by it

719
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:55.480
in ten years could be you know, supporting it and believing it. But

720
01:05:56.159 --> 01:06:00.960
I don't want to force people into
a chapter they're not at yet and cause

721
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:08.199
any type of paramoil or confusion.
If that makes sense, it makes perfect

722
01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:14.079
sense. And again we've mentioned before, while it's not a salvation issue,

723
01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:17.239
at the same time, I'm very
passionate about it because I get emails I

724
01:06:17.239 --> 01:06:21.519
don't want to say every day,
but certainly several several a week saying how

725
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:26.519
this has brought them either back to
God or to God in the first place.

726
01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:30.760
So it's I don't want to say
catch twenty two, but it's something

727
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:36.400
that I know that many pastors like
yourself are in positions where you probably want

728
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:41.039
to stand in the pulpito on Sunday
and just belt out you know you're being

729
01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:44.559
lied to, it's flat. At
the same time, you understand the stigma

730
01:06:44.599 --> 01:06:47.800
that's attached to it, and you
don't want to be divisive and that that

731
01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:53.320
is just one of those things that
is you know, you just you pray

732
01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:57.360
to God and ask for dis serment. Right. Yes, and people aren't

733
01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:05.239
in my experience, if it's a
very serious topic that makes people feel vulnerable

734
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:09.840
or upset or that, they're going
to have a lot of questions because they're

735
01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:14.440
going to be confused and don't understand, which is why podcasts in YouTube is

736
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:18.960
great because people can absorb the information
without any expectations in a private way.

737
01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:26.719
Yes, and it's a topic where
if you really care about the person and

738
01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:30.800
that's why you want to talk to
them about it, you're going to do

739
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:36.360
it in an effective way where they
feel respected and loved, not where you're

740
01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:43.960
trying to talk to five hundred people
in a room where you can't even address

741
01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:48.760
the questions or concerns. You know, it's basically like saying, I know

742
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:53.800
y'all don't believe this, and you're
stupid because it's true. You know,

743
01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:58.920
I'm not saying some churches shouldn't do
that. I'm just saying I couldn't.

744
01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:04.679
I couldn't. I couldn't get to
a place where I do that. What

745
01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:13.719
I do think is it actually is
a salvation issue for people that aren't saved.

746
01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:17.279
Great point that that's a traget point. It's not gonna save them,

747
01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:25.439
but it's gonna eliminate so many of
the doubts and the reason and excuses they've

748
01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:31.600
used to dismiss even considering their creator. But the church, the church is

749
01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:36.680
really a gathering of believers, and
it's not a salvation issues. For those

750
01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:42.800
who already has saved, it can
increase their faith. But so like in

751
01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:45.960
my mind, don't get me wrong, I'm like, man, I cannot

752
01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:51.159
believe even the Christians are deceived,
you know what I mean? Like to

753
01:08:51.359 --> 01:08:59.840
accept that. But that's how strong
Satan strongholds on this world. And it's

754
01:08:59.880 --> 01:09:04.800
a only God's grace that sustains this
but that's how I look at it.

755
01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:11.319
I'm like the body of believers gathering. It's not a salvation issue. But

756
01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:15.960
if I can talk to someone or
if someone that is not a believer comes

757
01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:20.479
across that, they're gonna at least
have a lot more questions about who made

758
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:30.520
it right on. Going back to
presentation, I think it's very important.

759
01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:36.319
And we're talking not necessarily in the
church, but at some point when you're

760
01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:41.279
having a conversation with someone, whether
it be a friend or family, what

761
01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:45.359
you mentioned earlier, how you present
it is ninety percent of the battle.

762
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:47.600
I think if you start with things
like you said, like you know,

763
01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:50.399
I didn't believe this for the first
fifty years of my life, and you

764
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:54.760
know I thought it was crazy things
of that nature, and not overwhelm them

765
01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:58.359
with information, make them curious enough
to get them to look into it.

766
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:01.840
Yeah, exactly. And I mean
I'm a passionate person too, so it's

767
01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:08.199
very hard for me when I talk
about things that I'm passionate about to keep

768
01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:13.520
it short. But with this I
always do, you know, each conversation,

769
01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:17.520
if it comes up with someone who
feels like I did before I realized,

770
01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:23.079
I always just try to drop one
of the main things that kind of

771
01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:27.199
was a tipping point for me.
See what they say, I never argue.

772
01:10:27.439 --> 01:10:30.840
I'm like, yeah, I get
that, this is how my perspective

773
01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:38.239
and research has shown to explain that. But I totally get what you're saying

774
01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:42.479
too. You know. It's like
it doesn't need to be combative in any

775
01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:46.800
way because we all want to defend
and believe the way we see the world

776
01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:53.119
in the story we're living is right, you know. And as we begin

777
01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:56.880
to wind down, I'd like to
ask you what are your what we'll call

778
01:10:56.920 --> 01:11:00.399
the six silver bullets that you would
like to present to some when if you

779
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:02.880
had an opportunity, you were sixth
proofs that meant the most to you and

780
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:09.319
help you realize what flat Earth was. So for me and I love this

781
01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:18.119
question. When I got off the
phone and had absorbed enough information to have

782
01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:30.439
a premonition or a prevocation that it
was flat, every night I started walking

783
01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:36.439
outside and looking at the stars and
the moon, and so every day I

784
01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:41.000
would see where the moon was,
where the sun was, where the stars

785
01:11:41.039 --> 01:11:45.279
were, and just casually, you
know, it's it was good anyways to

786
01:11:45.319 --> 01:11:48.560
be in nature. You know,
we live in the country, and the

787
01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:55.720
stars are big and bright deep in
the heart of Texas, and I saw

788
01:11:56.039 --> 01:12:03.239
that. Hilarious. It is in
the same exact spot year round. It

789
01:12:03.319 --> 01:12:10.560
does not move, and on a
globe spinning one thousand miles an hour,

790
01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:17.399
orbiting at tens of thousands of miles
an hour, chasing the Sun while tilting

791
01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:30.439
on an axis in revolutions in a
galaxy spinning. It's just not possible because

792
01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:35.720
they in like O'Ryan the way it
matches up with the pyramids, even though

793
01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:44.680
they've been there thousands of years.
The Georgia guidestones thing, it was funny.

794
01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:46.119
I just learned about that, and
then they got blew up and they

795
01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:48.359
never caught. The person did and
seem to care. I was like,

796
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:53.600
okay, but not to get into
that. That was the big one.

797
01:12:53.880 --> 01:12:58.159
Hilarious. But then the other one, well, I've got a few,

798
01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:01.079
but I'll try and go through them
quick. The Moon, the fact that

799
01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:06.760
from Earth you never see the other
side of the Moon. For it to

800
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:18.199
be spinning at the angle and speed
with such precision and perfection that we always

801
01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:29.039
see the same face is absolutely absurd. It's it's actually like, probably on

802
01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:36.680
a probability type level, it's it's
basically impossible. It'd be like me crashing

803
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:44.119
my car and when the when I
roll two times and land the cars parts

804
01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:48.039
that all got busted up magically landed
right back where they were before the crash,

805
01:13:48.039 --> 01:13:55.319
and I just drive off no problem. The cold light of the moon,

806
01:13:56.079 --> 01:14:00.680
that's measurably, it's the easiest experiment
to do, and all of the

807
01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:04.119
flat earth truth. Because you take
two cups of water in a thermometer,

808
01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:09.039
and you stand in your backyard on
a full moon. You put one cup

809
01:14:09.079 --> 01:14:12.159
in the shade, one cup in
the moonlight. The cup in the moonlight's

810
01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:18.279
colder, considerably colder, and the
moon is, from our vantage point,

811
01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:25.119
the exact same size of the Sun, and it appears to move on the

812
01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:33.720
same circuit, just one fits slower. That was all very like just mind

813
01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:41.239
blowing to me. The fact that
NASA in Hebrew means beguile, which is

814
01:14:41.359 --> 01:14:46.000
the same Hebrew word used from Genesis
three. That's right from the serpent.

815
01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:51.399
And that if you take if you
ride out NASA, NASA National Aerotic Space

816
01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:58.760
Agency, and you add up which
letter goes with which number of the alphabet

817
01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:01.159
at equals six to six six,
really like a one, B, two,

818
01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:05.680
three, C, forty like Jamatrie
almost yeah, like yeah, exactly.

819
01:15:05.840 --> 01:15:10.640
Really, if you write out the
actual name, it adds up to

820
01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:13.840
six hundred and sixty six. Now, when I did that months ago,

821
01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:15.960
I was tired. I did add
it up myself and it equals six to

822
01:15:16.039 --> 01:15:19.960
sixty six, but I didn't double
check it. But I've seen other people

823
01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:25.560
say it too, and I'm almost
one hundred percent that that that is accurate.

824
01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:31.479
And then the fact that and I've
been on a thing even before the

825
01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:35.439
flat Earth, I was on this
thing where I started noticing the numbers three,

826
01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:42.159
six, and nine pop everywhere.
Part of that was the personality research

827
01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:48.239
and learning that I do, because
one of the major systems has nine types

828
01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:55.640
and three six and nine are the
attachment types, so they're completely different from

829
01:15:55.680 --> 01:16:00.119
the other six types. And I
started noticing these numbers three, six,

830
01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:04.520
and nine, Like if you add
even if they're long numbers and you add

831
01:16:04.520 --> 01:16:10.399
them up, you know, like
fifteen is one plus five, six on

832
01:16:10.439 --> 01:16:15.399
and on, you know, three
six. The prevalence of three, six

833
01:16:15.439 --> 01:16:25.279
and nine in all numbers in the
world is irrationally, irrationally prevalent. If

834
01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:30.600
you watch Seinfeld after the first season
started, the second season, watch Seinfeld

835
01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:36.159
and anytime you see an address or
a number or anything, it inevitably adds

836
01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:40.800
up to three, six or nine. Like the first season his apartment was

837
01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:43.760
something, but then from the second
season, all the way through his apartment

838
01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:47.920
was five, A, five,
one six. Even the buildings in the

839
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:53.760
background and on the scenes from the
street, it's a it's mind blowing,

840
01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:57.680
but it's nerdy to even look.
But I just got on this thing where

841
01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:00.000
I was noticing three, six and
nine, and then all of a sudd

842
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:02.960
And of course the mark of the
beast in the Bible six plus six plus

843
01:17:03.039 --> 01:17:11.760
six is eighteen one plus eight equals
nine. And the Natha thing about the

844
01:17:11.800 --> 01:17:16.079
Earth orbiting at sixty six thousand miles
an hour, the Earth tilts on a

845
01:17:16.119 --> 01:17:21.079
twenty three point four degree axis,
but when you subtract that from ninety degrees,

846
01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:27.600
it's sixty six point six. And
there's so many more numbers like that,

847
01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:30.760
like the distance to the Moon is
two hundred and forty thousand miles.

848
01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:34.119
Two plus foury was six. The
distance to the Sun is ninety three million

849
01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:38.920
miles. Nine plus three equals twelve. One plus two is three. There's

850
01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:43.680
nine planets, there's nine holes on
a golf course, there's nine innings in

851
01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:46.399
a baseball game, and you get
three outs, and there's three bases,

852
01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:50.920
you know, nine players. It's
it's it's all these things that just started

853
01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:55.119
to pop up into my consciousness.
And it's not even like I'm looking,

854
01:17:55.199 --> 01:18:00.119
it's just like I'm noticing. And
so when I saw the NASA number,

855
01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:06.439
I immediately knew, like this is
insane, like this, this is obviously

856
01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:15.239
the occult reverse engineered mathematics that they
used to propagate their ideas throughout history.

857
01:18:16.520 --> 01:18:25.399
And then ships reappearing over the horizon
using the Pythagora and theorem was a big

858
01:18:25.399 --> 01:18:29.760
one. The way water always finds
its level, which I've always known and

859
01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:36.640
never realized, the Earth being seventy
percent water. That those two facts alone

860
01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:45.640
disproved the globe. The fact that
the Antarctic Treaty is the only treaty that's

861
01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:50.000
been around for what is it forty
fifty years something like that. I think

862
01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:55.000
it's fifty. So you're looking at
almost sixty five years now, okay.

863
01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:58.319
And these are countries that have gone
to war with each other. They literally

864
01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:01.079
heard each other, we're told,
and it's never even been threatened, it's

865
01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:09.399
never even been tested it's never even
been like a conversation. It's it's just

866
01:19:09.880 --> 01:19:15.840
untouchable. It's absurd that that that
that's a thing. The fact that Antarctica

867
01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:23.720
is the highest elevation content and that
it acts as as shorelines for the waters

868
01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:27.399
of the world, so there is
no edge. It makes perfect sense.

869
01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:32.359
And the fact that no one you
know, if if flat Earth, theers

870
01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:38.119
are that dumb and they hate us
so much, let us go try and

871
01:19:38.199 --> 01:19:42.680
die looking for the ice wall,
you know, because in the in the

872
01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:46.359
firmament, because from their perspectives,
they'll be like, well, we'll get

873
01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:49.880
rid of a lot of idiots and
they'll realize they're wrong. At the same

874
01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:53.920
time, it's a win win for
them. So it makes no sense whatsoever

875
01:19:54.039 --> 01:19:58.239
that we can't do that. That's
right. And then the last one is

876
01:19:58.279 --> 01:20:01.760
the the anemo where the uh if
you take a picture of the sun every

877
01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:06.159
day in the sky, it makes
a figure eight, and it proves that

878
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:12.000
as the sun gets closer to the
north pole, it moves faster, but

879
01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:17.880
in a smaller circle, and as
it moves towards the southern pole, it

880
01:20:18.079 --> 01:20:24.399
moves faster but on a bigger circle. And if you look at like if

881
01:20:24.439 --> 01:20:27.720
you look at a flat Earth map
with the sun on it, and you

882
01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:31.680
take the path of the sun,
the climates even start to make sense.

883
01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:35.960
While they're different in the Southern and
Norman like, you can be equal distance

884
01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:42.159
from the equator north and then from
the south, but the climates are drastically

885
01:20:42.199 --> 01:20:46.680
different. And it's because the sun's
actually moving faster in the south. So

886
01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:55.479
like the climate in Africa, parts
of Africa will be different, drastically different

887
01:20:55.520 --> 01:21:00.159
from the climate you know in the
northern Hemisphere, or like Iceland. People

888
01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:04.000
live in Iceland, it's one of
the most beautiful places in the world.

889
01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:10.960
It's just amazing, you know,
plant life, animal life, all these

890
01:21:11.039 --> 01:21:19.680
things. And then Antarctica is the
same distance from the equator and you literally

891
01:21:21.039 --> 01:21:27.640
nothing grows, there is nothing,
it's desolate. And in my mind,

892
01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:31.960
that's because when the sun is close
to the north pole of Iceland, it's

893
01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:38.600
moving so slow that it's actually giving
quite a bit of light to those areas,

894
01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:43.359
whereas in the south, if you're
in an in an Arctica, the

895
01:21:43.439 --> 01:21:47.000
sun is even the little bit of
sun you get, you know in December

896
01:21:47.079 --> 01:21:53.319
when it's long days, right the
sun the actual heat is moving past you

897
01:21:53.479 --> 01:21:57.479
so quickly because the sun's having to
move faster. Does that make sense?

898
01:21:57.640 --> 01:22:01.319
Yeah, I get you. But
anyways, are those are the main things.

899
01:22:01.319 --> 01:22:04.760
Those are the ones that made me
realize, like, if I'm going

900
01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:11.600
to be if I'm going to honor
what's true and observable, those are things

901
01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:15.560
that have no reasonable explanation outside of
the fact that we don't live on a

902
01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:18.880
globe. Yeah, that the temperature
checks an easy one, and anybody who

903
01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:25.159
has a either a TikTok channel or
an Instagram channel should go do the test

904
01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:27.359
with them. By the way,
so I know it's real recording on a

905
01:22:27.399 --> 01:22:30.600
Friday night, so when people listen
to it, it's at least two days

906
01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:33.039
ago. But it's a full moon
tonight, it'd be the perfect time to

907
01:22:33.079 --> 01:22:38.119
get your Your temperature has taken one
from the moon and one from the shade,

908
01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:44.039
and you'll see the significant variance.
Of of course, the temperature in

909
01:22:44.279 --> 01:22:46.199
the moon is actually going to be
cooler than the one that's in the shade.

910
01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:51.560
Yes, exactly, And that blew
my mind. I can't tell you

911
01:22:51.680 --> 01:22:58.039
how much that blew my mind.
Because cold light is it's a real thing,

912
01:22:58.119 --> 01:23:01.039
and they've made it like humans have
made it an experiment of it but

913
01:23:01.119 --> 01:23:08.399
it's absolutely so rare in life and
in nature and innovation. And when I

914
01:23:08.439 --> 01:23:12.000
saw that the light was cold,
you know, I realized, why is

915
01:23:12.039 --> 01:23:15.079
the coldest time of day, you
know, early in the morning, was

916
01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:20.479
because the moon's been out so long, you know, and it just all

917
01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:26.239
When I saw that and did that
myself, it was like a realization moment,

918
01:23:26.560 --> 01:23:34.000
like that can't be reflected sunlight,
because reflected light that's really hot doesn't.

919
01:23:34.720 --> 01:23:42.600
It might neutralize, but it will
not become cold. Jeremy, it's

920
01:23:42.600 --> 01:23:46.279
been a tremendous podcast. I've learned
a lot. I've enjoyed everything that you've

921
01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:50.159
said, and I love hearing everyone's
journey. You've had quite an incredible journey

922
01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:56.560
as well. I tip my cap
to you. Being a worship pastor three

923
01:23:56.640 --> 01:24:00.600
four hundred folks, that is a
great responsibility, and I have the respect

924
01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:02.960
for you, and uh, before
we leave, i'd certainly like to give

925
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:10.880
you the last word. My last
word is just thank you so much.

926
01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:16.119
George. This is one of the
first times and the two or three years

927
01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:23.359
or even longer where I've you know, had all these realizations and things backed

928
01:24:23.439 --> 01:24:30.359
up by data and observations where I
felt comfortable enough like I had this space

929
01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:38.640
to communicate it openly, and it's
just such a beautiful gift. And outside

930
01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:45.760
of that, if you are Christian
out there, get your King James or

931
01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:47.840
New King James version. I'm not
those only, don't get me wrong.

932
01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:54.399
I read all the versions, but
recently I went back and got a King

933
01:24:54.479 --> 01:24:59.079
James version in New King James versions
from the seventies before in nineteen eighty.

934
01:24:59.720 --> 01:25:10.159
Read Genesis one two, read Psalm
nineteen, read Proverbs eight. And if

935
01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:15.840
you're on this journey of trying to
understand if the Biblical cosmology is accurate,

936
01:25:15.640 --> 01:25:21.520
you will still you will sense a
connection to the scriptures from those more than

937
01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:29.439
the modern ones, because the modern
ones sadly have been drastically influenced. I

938
01:25:29.439 --> 01:25:33.359
don't think they're wrong. I just
think the subtleties of what it's actually saying

939
01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:39.760
get lost in translation, and so
do that if you're if you're alreadyab believer,

940
01:25:39.880 --> 01:25:42.800
and if you're not, I'm always
praying for you, y'all pray for

941
01:25:42.920 --> 01:25:46.000
me and we certainly will well done. Jeremy, thank you so much.

942
01:25:46.600 --> 01:25:50.119
And folks, if you want to
reach out to Jeremy, excuse me.

943
01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:56.159
His email address will be in the
show description. Curve not found at gmail

944
01:25:56.159 --> 01:26:00.720
dot com. And did you mention
you had an Instagram as well under the

945
01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:04.399
same name. Yeah, it's Curve
not found. Just the word curve not

946
01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:08.319
found, all one word on Instagram. There you go, folks, and

947
01:26:08.760 --> 01:26:11.439
to hear from you. Yeah,
those links will be in the show description,

948
01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:14.720
so please don't hesitate to reach out
to Jeremy. We have a few

949
01:26:14.760 --> 01:26:17.600
show notes in the show description as
well. Thank you all again for your

950
01:26:17.720 --> 01:26:23.359
unwavering support. We appreciate all the
emails and uh god, bless y'all.

951
01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:26.800
Have a great week, and Jeremy
again, thank you so much for joining

952
01:26:26.880 --> 01:26:30.720
us on another great podcast. And
that is a tip of the cap to

953
01:26:31.119 --> 01:26:34.279
my guests, not me for sure, So for Jeremy, I am George

954
01:26:34.439 --> 01:26:38.279
once again, have a tremendous week. Keep your head on a swivel,

955
01:26:38.479 --> 01:26:45.560
and until the next time, my
friends, we will see you. I

956
01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:55.079
know it's been a struggle. I
don't know you has fee the time,

957
01:26:57.479 --> 01:27:04.560
held down about all the way?
Yeah, don't you feeling more? Your

958
01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:14.800
smile ain't the same I saw well
go from you feel like you've lost your

959
01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:24.079
way. Don't give up, No, don't give it and never this home.

960
01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:29.439
Don't let call the primise it ain't
done yet. He's God up,

961
01:27:29.479 --> 01:27:34.800
glad, why it's all right?
Time got up? Let me come?

962
01:27:38.439 --> 01:27:50.520
Why wait, God him come,
I can see the straight beside you.

963
01:27:53.039 --> 01:28:00.279
Child's are putting up fid Oh you're
stronger than any thing you are. Yeah,

964
01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:10.640
you're gonna be all right. You're
accepting a dead founded beautiful you're shoving

965
01:28:11.039 --> 01:28:17.760
bride. Yeah, you're live and
breathe. You can hold your head of

966
01:28:17.880 --> 01:28:28.079
pie. Don't give up. Do, don't give in, never lose home.

967
01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:33.920
Don't they go on the primise It
ain't dounion's got a plaid. WHA's

968
01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:41.119
some way till the God of me
because don't give up. No, don't

969
01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:45.399
give in. You never lose home. Don't let call on the promise.

970
01:28:46.079 --> 01:28:51.000
It ain't gon of life? Its
worth living? Watch a play town.

971
01:28:51.199 --> 01:29:03.680
The god maybe called why a place? Oh? The God tell oh,

972
01:29:03.880 --> 01:29:16.960
yes, what's the break down?
The god? Oh yeah, got TV

973
01:29:17.239 --> 01:29:31.279
call don't give up, No,
don't give in. Never this hol do

974
01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:40.000
they go of the primis in and
done? Yeas got a playing Watch die

975
01:29:40.520 --> 01:29:46.960
kind of in? It calls and
don't give no dog giving never it's home.

976
01:29:47.239 --> 01:29:51.960
Do the goal of the crimes,
and it ain't done. Love's worth

977
01:29:53.119 --> 01:30:05.000
living in. What's the god of
every cors all? The god of needs?

978
01:30:10.479 --> 01:30:27.960
Whit's the god of you're listening to
the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Just

979
01:30:28.039 --> 01:30:30.119
the facts, ma'am. M hm