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Ah, Yes, welcome back in. We are ready to go over and

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talk about knockout chaos Man. There
was some knockout chaos in the main event

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for Anthony Joshua in the pay per
view knockout win for him over Francis and

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Ganu. We are here on the
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Rayfaeld Big Fight Weekend dot Com and
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other fights might go on or not? Hello, Dan Rayfield. Off the

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weekend. How are thy ratings?
Greetings? Things are good? Have they

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scooped up Francis and Ganu yet?
Off the mat in Riod after that ko

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We're ready to talk about that and
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the upset win. You and I
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for the WBO Interim Heavyweight title.
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We're ready to recap all of those. By the way, speaking of the

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WBO, the WBO's junior middleweight champion, Tim Zoo set to headline on the

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Boom Goes the Dynamite. The word
I'll use is eradication. That was an

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eradicating knockout by Anthony Joshua of Francis
Nganu in the main event Friday night in

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the US, middle of the night
in Saudi Arabia. Dan, your thoughts

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again, you and I believed it
was gonna go while be a Joshua decision.

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Uh ah, he made sure of
it. You can't say anything other

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than there was an absolutely spectacular knockout. It'll be certainly a top candidate for

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the knockout of the year. You
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we may see some other big knockouts. I'm sure we'll see some other

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big knockouts, but in that way, it's that's a hard one to beat.

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I mean, if you listen to
some of the folks that were there

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on the broadcast talking about that,
a veteran boxing people have been around for

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many, many years talking about how
maybe it's the greatest knockout they've seen live

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in their entire time of being around
boxing, you know, and even watching

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on the screen, it was obviously
very impressive. You know, the big

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knockouts that you think of that come
to mind, a Manu pac Yo knocking

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out Ricky Hatten, a Manu pac
Yo getting knocked out by one Manuel Marquez.

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You know, I'm always thoughtful of
the fight the rematch between Sergio Martinez

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and Paul Williams, like that kind
of like splatter type knockout where you're like,

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for a moment, you're kind of
concerned about the health of the of

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the fallen fallen. I was glad
to see that Francis was able to,

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you know, collect himself. And
I saw his post fight news commerce and

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he made the comment which I've heard
other boxers talk about, where he didn't

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feel any pain. It's when you
don't feel it and you're out, you

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know, then you know you're knocked
out. He just went to sleep.

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I mean, it didn't. It
wasn't like, you know, you get

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it with a body shot and you're
you're in crippling pain. You get with

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a big headshot like this. Fighters
will tell you obviously it's not good for

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your health, but they don't feel
the pain. It's it's when you feel

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the pain you know you're still in
the game. As Evander Holigield would say,

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when you don't feel it, you're
out. So Niganu was out now.

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He was down earlier, you know, in in round one. He

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had been knocked down in the second
round, and let me tell you,

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when he got up, he was
He made it to his feet, he

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beat the count, but he looked
a little shaky. And the fact of

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the matter is it was literally the
ref resumes the fight, and it was

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the first and next punch that Josh
will land that the right hand that landed

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right on like the cheek area under
the eye like. I mean, that's

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as rough a knockout. And he
just fell like he had been cut down

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with a lightsaber. I mean,
that's that's the way he went. He

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folded off on left, folded up
on his left, on his on his

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knee. That looked like he might
have injured that. I mean, it

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was just, you know, there
was no need. Joshua clearly had him

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hurt and lined him up. I
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he comes in, does the little
fane, lines him up, and then

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right down the middle with the fastball
boom. He's been a tremendous knockout finisher

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in his career, Joshua. We
have to acknowledge and credit that, and

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there it was. But the thing
about it is it showed you that France

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has been guying to. While he's
obviously a talented fighter, whether boxing or

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MMA, he's a rookie in boxing
at the professional level, at that at

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that height when you're fighting at Joshua, a guy who was an Olympic gold

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medalist, guy that's got thirty professional
fights or so, a guy that's been

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a two time heavyweight champion, a
guy that's been in the ring with all

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kinds of different top guys, a
guy that's been involved in the highest pressure

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situations in front of the biggest crowds
in stadiums, and that sort of thing

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that francis rookie mistakes. I was
watching replays and he fell for every feint,

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which you shouldn't do as a professional. When he got nailed with the

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knockout punch, he has his left
hand extended, and it's what I call

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in no man's land. He's not
protecting himself, right, He's not using

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it to attack. It just sort
of there, and he easily was able

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to Joshua punch over it, and
he couldn't get it back in time,

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and he couldn't use it to put
together his own offense. It was just

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I called it on social media.
I called it a rookie mistake. I

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know he was heard from the knockdown, but you've got to have practiced that

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so many times that it's not a
matter of hurd or not heard. It's

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automatic. It should be just muscle
memory. You put the hand up,

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or you make sure you're attacking with
it. Now, one thing that we

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talked about leading up to this,
including on the US preview show. There's

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ten rounds of tape that were now
out there on him as a boxer.

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That obviously Joshua and his team went
over. How big of a factor do

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you mean It's easy to say in
hindsight, but how big of a factor

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do you think that was? Is
that they went into this fight knowing,

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Hey, a feint here, a
fane of this or whatever is going to

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set up the booming right hand.
There's there's no question when first of all,

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that's that's analytics one oh one.
You know, fighters themselves often don't

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like to watch too much tap of
the opponent because they know that it's possible

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they're going to fight in a different
manner. A lot of fighters will watch,

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you know, a round or two
or you know, a few clips.

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Uh. They leave it to the
trainer really to go through the process

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of breaking down the tape and then
telling them what they see and what they

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want them to do. And I
don't think this is like a controversial statement.

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I think if you talk to people
in the business, Ben Davison is

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one of the best out there in
terms of breaking down the tape. And

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so when you've got that guy in
your corner, uh, and you're watching

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the ten rounds of them against Fury, a fighter that Ben knows obviously very

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very well, having been his trainer
for a long time. Ben was,

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I'm sure able to break that down
and they were able to pick some of

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those things up. And also it's
just even without that, it's just the

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rank inexperience as a professional boxer that
Francis Nagano brought to this fight. I

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don't take anything away from what he
did against Fury. What he did against

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Fury is not negated by getting wiped
out by Joshua. I don't negate what

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he's done in the cage as a
as a top MMA you know, UFC

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heavyweight champion, But he was facing
a fighter who was motivated, who was

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in shape. I don't think that
Fury was that motivated in shape, and

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I think it's a fair question to
ask what we saw out of Francis Negando

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against Fury. You have to give
France's Nagano credit for that. But two

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things can be true at the same
time, because at the same time that

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he looked very good, you had
an unmotivated, out of shape heavyweight champion

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Entyson Fury across the ring, and
it made Fury look that bad and made

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Nagano look that good. Now you
go into the fight against Anthony Joshua and

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maybe Francis. You know, he's
still in great shape and he's still there

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to fight and do his job.
But you've got an opponent now that is

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highly motivated, in an incredible condition, has been able to study your first

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ten rounds of professional boxing. And
when you're at this level, you know,

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it's very small between being the winner
and being the guy that's laying on

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the deck. You know, as
I say, TJ, sometimes you're the

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windshield and sometimes you're at the bug. And in this case France and thing

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On, it was the bug big
time. And so I'll say a couple

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of things here on this. It
does make it more embarrassing for Tyson Fury

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that he boss for ten rounds and
couldn't come anywhere close to landing anything like

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that. And in fairness, Fury
has never been a big bombing, one

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punch puncher to lay people out.
Joshua has shown that throughout his career,

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So you know, Fury was maybe
going to wear him down, batter him

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that kind of thing, and that
didn't really happen in the first fight.

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And I will say this, and
I had this interaction with a lot of

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people off not so much on social
media. I did put it on social

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media, but off off Mike off
social media, that the MMA guy now

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goes back to being the MMA guy
again. He was. He was at

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the world class level with Fury as
the WBC champ. Now he's there with

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the former two times unified champ and
just eradicated. Got eradicated. And like

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you've often said on these podcasts in
our conversations, there are levels to this

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and he was several levels above there
the other night with that. I even

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said this to somebody else said to
me, all he just got caught.

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I said, honestly. I said, honestly, if you replayed this same

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scenario now that we saw what we
saw, and you replayed the fight five

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times from originality, from what I
saw the other night, you were going

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to see a knockout probably four of
the five times, if not all five.

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That was what I saw. I
know that's easy to say Dan after

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the fact, but from what I
saw on how ready Joshua was using the

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feints, using the fakes, using
the jab setting up the right hand,

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that right that boom goes to dynamite
was gonna happen at some point. That

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was anything, That was anything,
But he just got caught. That was

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set up perfectly. That was against
a novice professional boxer who, like I

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said, fell for everything. It
was not he just got caught. There

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are times, yeah, guys get
caught. That was not I just got

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caught. That was you got smoked
by an intelligent boxer that put the fight

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together and had a plan and exploited
your obvious weakness in certain areas. And

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what I thought was really cool actually
about Joshua and it did. It wasn't

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exactly the same. I remember when
Mike Tyson knocked out Michael Spinks. That

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was the biggest fight in boxing history
at that time, in times of money,

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big, big, mega fight.
Tyson's the undisputed undefeated champion. Spinx

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is the undefeated lineal champion. They
were coming together, you know, it

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was as big as it gets,
and and Tyson knocked him out in ninety

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one seconds and he didn't celebrate.
He just looked at Kevin Rooney, his

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trainer and his team in the corner
and he just put his arms out like

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hey, what do you expect?
And and you know, and and didn't

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didn't go crazy. I mean,
and he had just won the biggest fight

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there was. Now this is not
that same kind of fight. But when

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Anthony Joshua put him away, he
just kind of paced around them, didn't

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smile, didn't celebrate, you know, pounded, you know, fist bump

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with his guys, like just another
day at the office, like he was

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in He like he won a decision
in like an eight rounder, I mean,

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or like or like I expected this. I expected to Yeah, he

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expected that, and he he asked
tunnel vision. His goal was not to

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beat Francis de ganu uh in the
long term. It was obviously the goal

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on Friday night, but the goal
was to get this fight taken care of.

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And now let's move on to the
you know, for lack of a

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better word, to the real fight, which is potentially Tyson Fury, maybe

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a third fight with it was sick, maybe an IBF vacant title fight against

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Hergovic or whatever. I was going
there, all right, I love the

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realism meter. We know what the
truth is. The truth is Anthony Joshua

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was not going to get a shot
at the winner of Fury and Usik the

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rest of this calendar year. All
right, that's just I don't think so,

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I mean, not entirely. I'm
gonna get You can say you can

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leave open the door, you can
crack the door. I'm go ahead.

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The reason why is this? So
Tyson Fury and Usick they are fighting on

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May eighteenth, and they have a
two fight deal. However, if his

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excellency mister Turkey Alschik, who runs
the show over there with the money and

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is the one that makes those decisions, if he decides whatever happens in Fury

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against usaid, Let's say, just
for the sake of argument, Tyson Ferry

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wins the fight, and he wins
pretty handily. Let's say he may say

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to Frank Warren and to Eddie Hearn
and to Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury and

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Usick and his people, you know
what, it's time to do this fight.

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And if that's that, and they
put the money up, that fight

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will happen next. They'll take care
of Usik the same way they'll take care

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of Fury if it's the other way
around. But the big fight. Nothing

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against seeing Joshua Usik three. But
the fight obviously is Fury against Joshua.

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And I'm gonna give you a little
explanation. I remember covering Lennox Lewis against

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Mike Tyson. We were at the
culmination. We were basically at the end

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of the great nineties era of heavyweight
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Mike Tyson, the second coming of
George Foreman, Michael Moore, or you

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know, Ridick bow razor Roddick,
I mean, Tommy Morrison. I can

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go on there. There was a
great heavyweight era. I say it all

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the time. We are getting to
the end of the current era. Tyson

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Fury, Alexander Usik, Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, Andy Ruiz, King,

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Kong Ortees, gone down the line
of the other quality headweights that did

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are around. We're getting to the
end of that. The big fight that

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will culminate that that era, if
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tens heavyweights, you know, but
into the early twenty twenties, is going

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to be Fury Joshua because it's the
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It should have been the Wilder fight, but that ain't happening. So

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that's going to be the big one, and that's the one that's gonna kind

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of bring a closure to this particular
era. Now. When Lewis and Tyson

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fought, it culminated the nineteen nineties
era, even though it took place in

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like two thousand and one. I
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that's going to be the case with
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I'm convinced they will fight. It's
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when. And so if Fury defeats
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the rematch. It's gonna depend on
how the fight goes. But if it's

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a clear win or there's nothing that
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to Turkey, I can see them
going to the camps and saying, fuck

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this rematch, We're doing Fury versus
Joshua. That's the fight. That's the

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one that's gonna be the big business. That's the one that every wants to

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see. Nothing against Fury Usk or
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whatever. That's that's why I got
your hypothet of the year. Now,

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let me hit the tennis ball back
at you. Here's this hypothetical. Let's

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say that Alexander Usik wins. I
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nano second, that Tyson Fury and
Frank Warren Company will lay down for a

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reason, for anything other than a
rematch for another megapay day with Usik to

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try to get the titles back,
to get the undisputed titles back, and

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that that would happen. Also,
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it won't be for the undisputed title
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because the IBF title is going to
be vacant, end of the story.

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Well, so we're getting to that. We'll get to that in a second.

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But on my hypothetical here, if
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not any sizzle for an Anthony Joshuall
fight right now. He beat him twice,

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he beat him decisively. So now
back to what you alluded to a

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couple of minutes ago, what's the
next If Usak wins the fight, what's

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the next best thing there? And
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I don't know if the two guys
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it out. Then again, if
Turkey. Ali Sheik's got the money and

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the Sadi's wanted to happen later this
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see Anthony Joshuall fight somebody else besides
Herkovic, or sit and wait for six

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months or eight months right now to
see what shakes out. That's all I'm

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saying a couple of things about that. Number One, I don't get the

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impression, if at all, that
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Number two, u Hergovic has got
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has already ended. He he is
next the next post May eighteenth, the

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next IBF heavyweight title bout will include
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Anthony Joshua, by virtue of his
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in December, has ascended to the
point where he's the next available guy in

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the rankings, and they have contracts
that state that by I forget what the

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date is, by a certain date
post May eighteenth, the winner of that

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fight must vacate the title or they're
going to be stripped, and they will

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order the next available fight. Now. If Joshua has some other possibility that

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somehow somewhere is bigger. You know, I'm making this up. Let's say,

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for whatever reason, suddenly the Wilder
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happens, But basically you're looking at
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probably sometime you know, in the
in the summerish time, you know,

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and that's probably what's gonna happen.
No problem, that's a good fight.

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With that, it'll give Joshua a
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hold the title yet again. If
he wins, obviously, and it still

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keeps in play him against the winner
whoever emerges from the second fight between Fury

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and Who's like, assuming that takes
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at the end of the year,
if he wants to continue to stay active.

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I mean, you know, I
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and we're gonna we get to the
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to the to the Joseph Parker.
We'll get to the jan But this

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is a critical thing. It's not
a coincidence that Anthony Joshuall look as sharp

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as he did. He granted,
he's in with a novice boxer. Fair

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enough, but he looked awesome.
He's fought now four times and eleven months.

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That is not an accident that he's
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the muscle memory, of staying in
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in the frame of mind if you're
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go into that, just being you
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a in a gym, setting and
preparing and likewise, when it comes to

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Joseph Parker, this was his I
believe, fifth fight in fourteen months.

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Again, he got dropped twice against
JAYG. But it's no accident that he

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was able to fit the deal and
win non controversially, even getting the two

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knockdowns against him. Activity is a
important thing. We talk about it a

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lot. The guys that don't fight, that just sit waiting for the bag.

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As the kids say, we'll go
fourteen months without a fight, will

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fight maybe once, maybe twice in
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their own careers. When they're done, it's not going to affect you or

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me or anybody. Will find some
other fights to watch. The only ones

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that hurts themselves. Anthony Joshua gets
it. Joseph Parker after losing the Joe

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Joyce, he gets it. He
went on a stretch where he fought.

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It wasn't fighting the biggest names of
the best guys, but it's the whole

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repetition. You're in the gym,
you're preparing the fight, you're walking down

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to the ring, you're getting your
hands wrapped. You're going through the process

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physically and mentally, and it keeps
you sharp. I think that that is

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the most critical thing in boxing today
is for the best guys to stay active,

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to hone their skills and to stay
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And as I have said many times
before, this is not rocket science.

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It's obvious. Look at the Look
at the PBC guys who who took wipeout

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losses in recent times. Errol Spence
one fight and who knows how long,

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Stephen Fulton one fight and whoever knows
long. You know, Errol got pummeled

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by Crawford, Uh, Fulton got
pumbled by uh in a way you can

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look at Charlot got pumbled by Canelo. After a long laugh, I mean,

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we can go on down to Deontay
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in two years. So I mean
it's and I don't mean to be picking

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on PBC. I'm just saying,
those are the guys, the facts of

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the facts of the Yes, so
activity is a big, big fucking deal.

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Yep. Anyway, that's all right, soapbox on that one. But

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that segues into Joseph Parker and the
job he did despite going down twice in

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the Jang fight. Jang appeared as
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You were wondering, Okay, how
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a possible decision that's coming up?
All right, so let's go right at

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it. Did you agree with Parker
and the decision win there? And what

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did you make of Jang not being
able to finish him when you and I?

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You and I were both looking at
knockout pop and it did not happen

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for short term investment purposes. Credit
Parker. I thought that after Jang got

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the first knockdown he was going to
finish him. Then he didn't. And

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look, it's a credit to Joseph
Parker. He you know, he's been

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knocked down a bunch of times,
but you know he's he's got a good

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heart and he's able to keep himself
together. You know, he's days calm.

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Part of that's his experience, part
of that's his corner with Andy Lee

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as his trainer. But I had
no far with the decision. It was

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one thirteen, one thirteen. On
one scorecard it was one fifteen to one

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eleven and one fourteen to one to
twelve, and the other two cards that

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gave it in favor of Joseph Parker, who did overcome those knockdowns, because

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the problem with Jang is he has
as devastating a left hand and there is

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there isn't a sport, but he
has no stamina at all. You get

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passed a six er, you know, into the second half of the fight

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and he it's all he can do
to throw a handful of punches. And

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I actually heard Andy Lee in the
corner. I forget what round it was,

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but they picked up the audio know
before he sent Joe out for whatever

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round it was, Yeah, and
he basically reminded him he's dangerous the first

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thirty seconds of the round, so
be careful first thirty seconds and then he's

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got nothing left because he's got no
stamina, and so I think to myself,

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what would a fight like be like
between Jang and Deontay Wilder. Two

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guys who would just look for what
Deontay looking for a right hand, Jang

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looking for a left hand. You
know, Deontay's got better stamina than Jang

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does. I'm just saying, it's
like it's one trick pony against one trick

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pony with the other hand, and
who who would stand up to the big

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shot? I thought Jang. You
know, he came in at a career

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heavy two hundred and ninety plus pounds. He didn't look out of shape or

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bad in that weight, but he
was still like fifteen pounds heavier than when

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he thought Joe Joyce, which I
don't think is necessarily a good thing.

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It's not like he was fighting a
humongous opponent. And Joseph Parker was not

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a small guy, but he's not
Nobody would look at him in the context

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of modern heavyweight boxing and say he's
some behemoth. He's like two forty seven,

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probably about six foot four. But
Jang is, uh, you know,

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is six six two ninety one and
a half. It seemed a bit

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heavy in my mind. Look,
he looked almost exhausted in the last three

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four rounds of that fight, especially
the back half of the round. He

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looked very tired. Parker took advantage. You agreed, You agreed with the

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decision. Yeah, yeah, you
believe Parker had done enough in the back

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half of the fight to overcome the
nash. I thought the one thirteen one

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thirteen was they being a little generous
to Jang if you ask me, so

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Parker gets his abbase. So,
I mean, so quickly recap anything else

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you want, And how does he
fit into the puzzle? Now with these

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two wins over Wilder and over Jang, Well, it's it's a career making

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not I shouldn't say career making,
it's a it's a big win because now

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you take a look at what Joe
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fourteen months ago, he's not I
would say written off, but he's not

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at the forefront of the heavyweight pack. He's not in the minds of the

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fans. He's been absolutely hummeled,
you know, in a bad knockout in

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a great fight, by the way, but the ending was so brutal against

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Joe Joyce. You're like, well, you know, maybe Joe seen better

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days. He's you know, he's
not old, he's only thirty two,

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but he's had a lot of hard
fights. He's got you know, almost

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forty fights in his career, so
you're thinking maybe he's beginning that downward slide.

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But like I mentioned, he put
his shit together. He won the

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bunch of fights in a row.
He got this opportunity because he defeated Deontay

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Wilder in December, which was a
big win. I know it wasn't a

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world title victory, but I think
that was probably the biggest win of his

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career, even though he had beaten
Andy Ruiz back in the day to win

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the WBO title. And now you
tell me, TJ. If you take

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a look at today's boxing lineup of
heavyweights, tell me who has better back

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to back victories right now than Joseph
Parker having defeated Deontay Wilder and then in

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very short order just a few months
after, three months later or so,

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four months later or so, beats
Jang, who is the one of the

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hottest heavyweights in the division for the
last year. So because of those two

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big knockout wins over over over Joe
Joyce, So you know, these are

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huge wins for Joseph Parker, so
he fits in with everybody, there's no

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question. And he's going to call
some shots because he wins the WBO's interim

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title, which makes him the guy
that's going to be the mandatory I know

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it's going to be a little while
so that happens obviously, but he's in

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position to fight for the world title. So I think it's a huge win

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for him. And by the way
he is going to he's he can fit

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in anywhere. Has a He has
a loss back several years ago twenty eighteen

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in a unification fight against Anthony Joshua. How much better does that win?

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Now look for Anthony Joshua, what
he's what Joe's been doing later. I

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mean, that's a big big on
realistic is is Joshua Parker a rematch for

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later this year? I mean,
I don't know about I can't put the

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timing on it, but you know, depending on what happens with Fury and

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who's sick in all that business,
I don't think that's out of the realm

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of possibility. I think it definitely
picked up some some steam, if you

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will, based on the results of
the two fights that happened on the same

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card on Friday. You know,
I don't think it's necessarily something that the

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fans are clamoring for. But if
they made it because other fights were not

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available, I wouldn't. I don't
think anybody be super upset by that big

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weekend for Joseph Parker. Again,
we're hearing from Tim Zoo in just a

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few moments, but we're still going
over the knockout chaos card. All right,

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So the Vargas nick Ball fight did
not have a knockout. In fact,

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it ends in a draw. Ball
did get a knockdown, he did

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have Vargas hurt as the fight wore
on. Certainly the back half of the

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fight Ball appeared to control, but
the argument to be made Vargas may have

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won all six of the first six
rounds of the fight. All right,

404
00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:37,839
what about your scorecard as Vargas retains
on the split draw for the WBC featherweight

405
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,160
title against England's Nick Ball. I
thought, it's like you said, the

406
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,359
first half of the fight was pretty
much all Ray Vargas, not because he

407
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,920
was dominating, but because he was
just able to do enough. He was

408
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:52,799
you know, he used his length, he uses height. Weird talked about

409
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,000
in the preview how there was about
a five or so inch difference he towered

410
00:25:56,039 --> 00:26:00,559
over nick Ball, so between him
using his jab in his reach and just

411
00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:03,680
sort of kind of picking Nickball apart, nick could not find a way inside.

412
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,200
He wasn't very busy in some of
those early rounds that he kind of

413
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,720
lost most of them. Maybe you
could have it five to one after six

414
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:14,000
rounds, you know, maybe even
if you were super generous to Vargus,

415
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:17,319
maybe even it was six to nothing. But something happened in round seven where

416
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,079
nick Ball finally got on the inside
and landed a big, nice overhand right

417
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,400
and it definitely got the attention from
Ray Vargas, who everything sort of changed

418
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,599
at that point and nick Ball he
did score the two knockdowns. I thought

419
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:30,640
one of the knockdowns. The first
knockdown was awfully questionable. It was a

420
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:33,119
kind of a he did throw a
punch, but their feet kind of got

421
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,160
messed up, so it was it
wasn't a push, was it a tangle,

422
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:37,960
But there was a punch, So
you know, you can't get too

423
00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:41,240
upset about the referee picking that.
That was in the eighth round, and

424
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:48,079
Vargas was very animated in his disapproval
of the referee making that call. The

425
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,000
knockdown that took place in the eleventh
round was much more legit. It seemed

426
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,240
to me that was clean as a
whistle, you know, just got clipped

427
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,160
with a nice shot. I think
it was the right hand if my memory

428
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,920
serves, and down he went.
He was just he was getting, you

429
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,000
know, beat to the punch the
whole second half of the fight, and

430
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:06,920
I just feel like if nick Ball
could have started a little bit quicker and

431
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,559
put a least, you know,
just one more round basically in the bank,

432
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,480
you know, he would have probably
won the fight. I did thought

433
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,920
he eaked it out, but I
can't be too upset by because he just

434
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,039
gave away so much of the rounds
early. And what happens is you fall

435
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,680
in if you're scoring all the rounds
form Vargas, you kind of fall into

436
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,759
the lull as a judge that if
there's a close round, you still might

437
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:29,000
give it to him, even though
maybe some other people might think that nick

438
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,200
Ball should have had the round.
I will say this about Vargas. While

439
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,079
he got the draw, he kept
the title. I know he had a

440
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:36,599
hard time coming down. He hadn't
fought at one twenty six in a while.

441
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,400
He'd made one thirty for the last
fight. Been off thirteen months,

442
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,039
No disrespect, Ray's been a good
fighter for a long time. I do

443
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:45,480
still believe he's on his last legs. He's not gonna last a lot longer,

444
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:48,880
especially at one hundred and twenty six
pounds. Nick Ball he has a

445
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,720
future. He's not going to be
a shame that he's got the draw.

446
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:53,400
He's still young, and you know, Frank Warren, his promoter, was

447
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,119
talking about how they can hope to
get a rematch, then maybe the WBC

448
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,200
would order that. I'm not so
sure they'll order a rematch, but they're

449
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,839
both viable. Nick Ball still undefeated, he's still exciting and fun to watch,

450
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,000
and uh and Vargas still has the
belt. I thought it was funny

451
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:10,920
when they asked, you know,
talking through the interpreter that was there with

452
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,920
him, you know, would you
give nick Ball a rematch? And Vargas

453
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,559
was like, yeah, I'll give
him a rematch, no problem. We

454
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:17,599
can do it in his backyard,
or you can do it wherever you want.

455
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,000
I just have to get paid three
or four times more than I got

456
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:23,160
paid to the fight, saying the
dollars. That's that's the other way of

457
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,920
saying, I'm moving up to one
thirty. I'm not fighting you. I'd

458
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,119
love too. Was a good It
was a good fight, especially the back

459
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,519
half of the fight, because you
weren't sure if Vargas was gonna make it

460
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:36,440
on stamina, et cetera. Again, especially when the knockdown happened again in

461
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,720
the eleventh round, and again all
the points mattered. Those two scored knockdowns

462
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:45,119
mattered. Otherwise, Vargas wins the
fight on the car just to draw.

463
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,839
As I like to say, round
one counts the same as round twelve.

464
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,319
That's your emotion. It's about the
math. True. But still, if

465
00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:56,839
you're watching the back half of that
fight, nick Ball deserve better than just

466
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,960
you lost, because you lost all
the rounds at the beginning. But he

467
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,440
got a draw. It wasn't a
lost and get a draw. He doesn't

468
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:08,599
get the Also, before we get
to the Zoo interview, Israel Madromov does

469
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:15,160
get the WBA's vacant junior middleweight title, which they had just recently put jamal

470
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:21,240
or Jamel Charlow on ice. So
Madromov gets the TKO win. Tell me

471
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:25,519
more about that fight that was a
knockout in Knockout Chaos as well. Yeah,

472
00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:29,119
that was a good performance from Madromov. I mean, Kurbanov didn't have

473
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:32,240
the biggest resume in the role,
but he had some nice wins. He

474
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:34,480
had to win over Liam Smith.
He had a nice record twenty five and

475
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:38,720
Oho Magromov a lot less experienced as
a professional. He was, you know,

476
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:42,440
had the you know, just this
is what his eleventh fight is a

477
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,480
professional and he didn't have he'd had
a good amateur curve, but it wasn't

478
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:52,079
a like a monster you know,
three hundred amateur type amateur career, you

479
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:56,319
know, Olympic Gold Metal or anything
like that. So look, that was

480
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:59,880
a good performance from him. He's
been had a career that's been so much

481
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,799
promise. In the beginning, looked
so good and then hit some roadblocks.

482
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:06,839
Not because so he had any kind
of like crazy injuries or problems with a

483
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,720
manager or a promoter. He got
just kind of it just was hard to

484
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:12,000
get fights. A lot of guys
didn't want to fight him. He got

485
00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:17,039
tied up. So his twenty twenty
one and twenty twenty two was messed up.

486
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:19,240
For this back and forth with Michelle
Soro, which was. I I

487
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:22,279
can't remember if it was an eliminator
or an interim title whatever it was,

488
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:25,880
but it was. He ended up
having to do it twice. Then the

489
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,400
second fight was a technical draw.
They ended up not doing a third time,

490
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,839
thank god, and so it was
just hard to get the position,

491
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,680
and then they had to go through
the whole process with his brain scan and

492
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,079
whether Charlotte was going to be stripped
and put in recess, so all that

493
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:41,880
stuff that was going on. You
know, he came out like a true

494
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,279
pro. He did his job.
You know, it wasn't a particularly good

495
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:45,880
fight, but he did the damage. And in the fifth round he put

496
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,240
together a whole bunch of right hands
that were he was bouncing off the side

497
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,079
of Kurbanov's head, and eventually the
rest just had no choice, put the

498
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:56,480
jump in there and stopped the fight. He's a good puncher, he's a

499
00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:59,279
good guy. He's a fun guy
to watch. For the most part.

500
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:00,680
I thought Urbon was the one that
was being a little more negative in the

501
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,880
fight, and uh, you know, he brings some life to the party.

502
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,799
Let's say at one hundred and fifty
four pounds, I think the weight

503
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,799
class is you know, it's it's
not what it once was. So we're

504
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:12,240
getting some new blood in there,
it seems to me, you know,

505
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:15,759
because we you know, Crawford I
think will be there soon, but he's

506
00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:18,839
not fighting Magium of anyway. So
you're looking at one fifty four. You

507
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,039
got Tim Zoo there. Keith Thurman
apparently is there now, and we'll see

508
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:25,759
what happens with him on March thirtieth. You know, Madgemov's got the title,

509
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,440
and just because Kurbanov loss doesn't mean
he should be thrown away. I

510
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,240
mean, he's only got the one
loss against a good opponent. You see

511
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,200
what he can do if you can, you know, bring him back.

512
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,799
We'll see what happens with Charlow in
terms of what he's ever going to do

513
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:41,440
again. But Mage, Moov and
Zoo make it for interesting guys in the

514
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,920
division more so than there's been,
uh, you know, in the last

515
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,359
little bit all right. And one
other thing, by the way, the

516
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:53,279
pay per view which got under weigh
at ten am Eastern time for US in

517
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:57,680
the United States, marched on Dan
Rayphiel and marched on and then I don't

518
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,839
even know if it was marching anymore. It was kind of like almost soft

519
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:07,880
stepping in place. That good God
for the people that were in Europe,

520
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,359
not just in Saudi Arabia. As
this became and I realized, we do

521
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,079
this in the United States, but
ten pm becomes eleven pm local time if

522
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:19,799
you're in the Eastern time zone watching
these pay per views becomes midnight becomes twelve

523
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,519
thirty. But certainly, once the
ballfight was over, it still took a

524
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:28,039
while to get Jang and Parker into
the ring, and that with the full

525
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:30,240
distance, and then it took a
little while for the Joshua fight, which

526
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:32,640
was over with in the middle of
the second round. That was actually a

527
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:37,880
break. But good lord, the
main event did not come off to well

528
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,039
after midnight in most of Europe there
with a fight card that was starting in

529
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:45,640
the afternoon. For you, by
the way, in the United States,

530
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,519
the timing was not designed for us, right, and it wasn't designed for

531
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:53,559
the timing in Saudi Arabia. The
timing of the show was designed for our

532
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:59,039
Great Britain and the United Kingdom because
of Anthony Joshua's presence in the main event,

533
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,240
so they wanted the main event.
I have the timing sheet. It

534
00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:07,640
called for the main event to begin
at approximately six twenty Eastern United States time

535
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:12,799
count ahead five hours. That's you
know, the normal start time for that

536
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:16,680
type of fight in Great Britain,
and obviously you know later in Saudi Arabia.

537
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:21,480
I'll put it to you like this, the card lasted for almost ten

538
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,319
hours. When they went off the
air, it was about ten minutes to

539
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,680
four in the morning in Saudi Arabia. I mean, it was absolutely nuts.

540
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:31,200
I mean, I obviously watched most
of the show, but I have

541
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,039
to confess I did not watch every
single punch of that show. I sent

542
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:38,240
parts of the preliminaries and that sort
of stuff, and I did watch the

543
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:43,640
main card. The problem was when
they ended the first fight of the main

544
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,039
card, you know, Justice Hooney
in the heavyweight fight, which was a

545
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:50,920
pretty good fight, actually did get
to win. You're talking about in the

546
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,039
first ninety minutes or so of that
pay per view of them, Forget the

547
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,720
preliminaries for a second. The main
card, they had like a thirty minute

548
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:02,079
break unnecessary after the next fight in
the ring in like ten or fifteen minutes,

549
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,000
agreed, I mean, and we
don't need to hear fourteen talking heads.

550
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,639
I have no problem with them showing
a feature or an interview whatever,

551
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,800
having you know, Ario Hawani in
the back talking to somebody in the locker

552
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,400
room, or having you know,
the pundits given a minute or two of

553
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,159
their thoughts. That's that's normal.
I got I like that. I've got

554
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:21,639
no problem with that. The issue
is, though, when you're talking about

555
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,880
a fight that a card that's already
gonna have six fights on the main card,

556
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,239
which is fine. I'm not complaining
about having quality fights or anything like

557
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,480
that. But to get from the
Hoony fight to the Mark Chamberlain fight,

558
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,760
it felt like about a month.
And then they get from the Chamberlain fight

559
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:40,159
to the next fight, which was
I believe Madrumov That took another like thirty

560
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:44,679
minutes or whatever. It was just
preparing god for the Madromov Ko and then

561
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:49,440
Joshua making quick work of Benghanu or
we'd have been there until Tuesday with the

562
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,440
uh knockout Chaos, but we did
get it done. You would talk about

563
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:58,440
leisurely pacing, I mean, give
me a break. Maybe, so all

564
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:02,239
right, so there you go with
the Knockout Chaos card. Speaking of big

565
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,159
time fight cards, Tim Zoo comes
to the United States to headline for the

566
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:09,760
first time in a pay perview world
championship fight he has been in the United

567
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,599
States in a headline. If it's
not a championship fight show, well it's

568
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:16,440
not. Yeah, he's the WBO
champions not for the WBO title, that's

569
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,599
true. But he's headlining on pay
per view against Keith Thurman. You don't

570
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:24,440
have to wait for fight week and
for March the thirtieth in Las Vegas.

571
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,440
You got Tim Zoo right now on
this podcast right here. Well, I

572
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,360
would like to welcome back to our
podcast this week. It is Tim Zoo,

573
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:36,000
the WBO Junior Middleweight Champion of the
World. And Tim, I'm excited

574
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:38,159
to talk to you about your your
your next big fight in the United States.

575
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:44,760
You'll be headlining the very first Amazon
Prime Video event with PBC taking place

576
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,039
at the Team Obil Arena in Las
Vegas. That'll take place March thirtieth,

577
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:51,800
and you're taking on a well known
name, former welterweight champion, Keith Thurman.

578
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:54,159
And I think a lot of people
look forward to this fight to see

579
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,800
how Tim Zoo is going to do, you know, in the main event

580
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,599
of a big show in the United
States against a well known opponent. Tell

581
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:06,159
me just your thoughts right off the
bat, just about the magnitude of the

582
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:13,039
event for you in terms of headlining
the first ever PBC Amazon event as they

583
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:16,199
entered this new agreement with this new
platform and then also headlining on pay per

584
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,480
view, being in Las Vegas.
I mean, you fought in America but

585
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:22,920
not there before and just sort of
like the whole the whole thing, it's

586
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,000
got to be exciting for you.
Yeah, this it doesn't get any bigger.

587
00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:30,320
You know, it's like pinch yourself
talk moments. This is as big

588
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,079
as it gets. You know,
you dream as a kid to be fighting

589
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:38,719
in everything that you just said,
you know, platform, new platform,

590
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:44,079
pypeer view, tam My Ball or
rain on. You know it's it's or

591
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:46,519
dreams of man off. Now.
When you had your last fight that took

592
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:52,480
place in October, you had a
decision victory against Brian Mendoza. You retain

593
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:54,639
the title in your first full defense, you know, because you had been

594
00:36:54,639 --> 00:37:00,400
the interim champion before being elevated and
that was sort of position in Australia as

595
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,000
this is sort of like your farewell
fight to a degree that you were not

596
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,760
ever, never ever going to fight
in Australia again. But for the time

597
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,119
being, as you are in you
know, getting into your prime and now

598
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:14,639
a champion, you're going to be
fighting here in the United States and uh

599
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:16,239
and trying to make a big name
for yourself here the way you have back

600
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:21,840
home in Australia. And I was
wondering when when you did that, what

601
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,599
was the reason for that decision?
Because you are you are very beloved in

602
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:28,800
Australia. Obviously your father is beloved
in Australia. I mean, you have

603
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,039
a popularity. I've watched your fights
there, you know, big, huge

604
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:36,400
crowds. Uh. So what was
why was it a need for you to

605
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,440
You still could have come here,
but to say, we're not going to

606
00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:42,880
be here for the next period of
time, so enjoy me now and I'll

607
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,199
be back maybe in a few years. But now you're here in the States,

608
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:47,039
what was the reason for you?
Yeah? I think the reason for

609
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:54,199
that I was a new chapter where
I was. When I fall in Australia,

610
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,920
it was like, all right,
doing the same motions, it's the

611
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,880
same cameras, it's it's everything is
same, and it's like I needed a

612
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:07,000
change and needed to get out and
go to that next level. And you

613
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:09,840
know, if you want to grow
as a fighter, as a human being,

614
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:15,519
as a person, you've got to
accept new challenges and something to wake

615
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:19,599
up to every every day. So
this for me is a new little wake

616
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,119
up, something that I can challenge
myself to and something I can keep aspiring

617
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:29,079
and keep inspiring other people to keep
chasing their dreams. Is it fair to

618
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:30,480
say, though, that it's not
that you're never going to fight at home

619
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,880
again. It's just that now for
a little bit of time, however many

620
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:36,519
fights it is, or a couple
of years or whatever, that you're going

621
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:39,039
to be here. But at some
point your your folks back home will see

622
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:43,239
Tim Zu back in the ring,
right, Yeah, for sure. It's

623
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,320
Look, I'm an active fighter and
I want to keep staying active. So

624
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,440
I understand at this very very top
level it's hard to get four three four

625
00:38:53,480 --> 00:39:00,719
fights a year. I understand that. But logistically if we can and that's

626
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,480
a different story. Now you're fighting
Thurman. But I know how much you

627
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:08,280
wanted last year to have the fight
that when you were the mandatory against Jamel

628
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,960
Charlot. Uh. You know it
was never rescheduled. When he got injured.

629
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:16,440
He obviously got the big opportunity to
fight Canelo Alvarez and then allowed himself

630
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:20,119
in essence to be stripped of that
title when the fight started and you were

631
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:24,159
then elevated. H How disappointed were
you that that you didn't get that chance

632
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:28,599
to fight Charlotte to become the quote
unquote real champion of the division because he

633
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:31,840
held all the belts and was the
acknowledged number one. Uh And and that

634
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,000
just didn't come to pass for you. And obviously he's not You're fighting somebody

635
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,559
else for this fight. Yeah.
Man, I've all been chasing him for

636
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:44,400
for yeasing. It's been a long
time, you know, It's it didn't

637
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,400
just start overnight. It was years
and years have been chasing the block.

638
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:52,280
So you know, I say that
as the past thing. It is what

639
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:58,280
it is. We move on.
Uh. You saw chasing on onto biggest

640
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,159
things. And now the opportunities endless. And we're not just talking about Charlotte

641
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:06,239
as we're talking about other fighters in
the meets. All right, So you

642
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,000
fighting Thurman, that's obviously the guy
you're getting ready for that you have in

643
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,440
front of you. He's got a
really good name. He was an outstanding

644
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:14,480
welterweight champion, unified champion, was
you know near the top of that weight

645
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:16,960
class for a long time. He
is now moving up in wait. But

646
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:21,039
besides that, he know, he's
had one fight and I'm sure you've been

647
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:23,519
reminded of this route this promotion.
First fight for him in twenty five months,

648
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:28,480
only his second fight since he lost
a welterweight title to Manny Pacyao.

649
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,280
That was in twenty nineteen. So
he's been extremely inactive, whereas tim Zuo

650
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,280
has been fighting, Uh, you
know, as regularly as as any of

651
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,880
the top champions in the sport right
now, how much of an edge do

652
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,400
you think that gives you? That
you are younger, you are fresher,

653
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:47,880
you've been active, and he's none
of those things. No, it's not

654
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:53,719
just that you put a furman in
his prime or furman in his whatever whatever

655
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,559
they say, in his active stages. Tims is still beats in every day

656
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:04,239
of the week. So it doesn't
matter. You beat him more decisively than

657
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:09,000
because of its sorry I said,
you beat him then more decisively because of

658
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:14,199
that situation. Oh look, he
could be fresher, now, you know,

659
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,480
he could be fresher. He's I
think he's going to be tough for

660
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:20,599
first It's not going to be a
walk in the park. There's no such

661
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:23,039
thing as walk in the parks at
this level anymore. You know that everyone's

662
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:29,079
the top top in the top top
tier now. So I respect him as

663
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:34,679
as an opponent, but yeah,
I see holes even in his in his

664
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,280
in his heydays. Can you can
you uh tell me what those holes are

665
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:43,440
that you see. I'm not going
to expose. I'm gonna I'm gonna show

666
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,280
him on ftnite. Well, I
had to ask. I had to ask

667
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,599
one thing about about Keith that he's
always been known for, just besides just

668
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:53,960
his overall accomplishments and his ability,
one thing he's always shown a really good

669
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:57,760
chin. I mean, he might
have been down maybe one time in his

670
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,679
career or something like that, but
I've never I've covered him for a long

671
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,760
time, never really seen him hurt, never really seen him in big trouble.

672
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,559
Obviously, he's never been stopped.
The one loss was a decision to

673
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:10,000
Manny. You know you've got a
lot of knockouts. Is it a goal

674
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:15,840
of yours to become the first person
to stop Keith Thurman. I'll look victory

675
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,280
by any means, But if the
stoppage comes and it's presented then then of

676
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,920
course, you know, I'm not
here to tip and tab I'm here to

677
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,000
do damage and hurt my pennant.
So this is a fight that is contracted

678
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,039
at one hundred and fifty five pounds. It's not for your title. Unfortunately,

679
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:34,639
I understand where the WBO was coming
from because of his inactivity, because

680
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:37,960
he's not been in this weight class, because he was unranked by the WBO.

681
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,639
Are you at all disappointed that?
I know you worked hard to get

682
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:45,639
that title, and you went through
a lot to get elevated and to dig

683
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:49,760
it into the first place, by
the whole situation with Charlotte, And here

684
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,960
you are coming back for this biggest, big fight in the United States and

685
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,480
you're not defending your title. Is
it? Is it disappointing at or it's

686
00:42:55,559 --> 00:43:00,719
like whatever? No, I honestly, I couldn't camp us, you know,

687
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:06,039
like really couldn't kill us for me
fighting his moments. You know,

688
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,280
life is all about moments. For
me living in this moment T Mobile Arena,

689
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,960
first time of prime this is as
big as he gets. Man who

690
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:20,760
cares? And I guess, uh, you know you're obviously if you everything

691
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,119
it goes as well, you'll be
defending your title in the future anyway.

692
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:25,280
So that's I guess a good thing. But it's I always wondering, like

693
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,920
if a guy loses a little bit
because the title is not at stake.

694
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:34,519
Nah, it doesn't matter, man, I've been a world champion in my

695
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:38,760
head since since day once. Okay, what do you think a win does

696
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,400
for you? And I say this
respectfully that you're sort of damned if you

697
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,480
do and damned if you don't.
If you know what I mean, because

698
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,400
you are taking on, as we've
discussed, a smaller, older fighter moving

699
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,760
up and wait and so yeah,
Tim Zooey is the big favorite. He's

700
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,679
supposed to win, and you plan
to do that, and if you lost,

701
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,760
it's like, oh my god,
he lost to a guy that was

702
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:05,440
smaller, you know, older,
inactive guy that you kind of you can't

703
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,440
really win. You're like, you're
not going to get a lot of credit

704
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,599
if you win, and it's going
to be like an outright disaster if you

705
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:14,639
lose. I ain't losing, That's
the thing. I ain't losing, And

706
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:21,239
damn if you do, dam if
you don't. Becase Creeks is always going

707
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:27,039
to be Criticus the Metal long That
is true now beyond a fight with Keith

708
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:29,679
Thurman. You you fight in a
weight class that does still have a number

709
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,320
of good fighters, and there's obviously
talented white welterweights that may move up.

710
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:38,320
The one match that I've heard from
boxing insiders as well as from boxing fans

711
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:43,559
that is of interest to them,
you know, after this Keith Thurman situation,

712
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,760
that that that I find to be
sort of a popular fight that they

713
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,920
mentioned your name in is that we
kind of figured that there's not going to

714
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,760
be a rematch at least not now
anyway, between Errol Spence and Terrence Crawford,

715
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:59,360
and that the best fight for Terrence
Crawford if he's not fighting the mandated

716
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,800
rematch unt actually with Spence and and
a fight with Canelo doesn't materialize, which

717
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,320
doesn't seem that Canelo is awfully interested
at this point. That Tim Zoo against

718
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,159
Terrence Crawford is what heck of a
fight the welterweight champ, you know,

719
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,760
coming up to take on one of
the Gera Middway champs. That that that

720
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,559
sounds like a pretty enticing, interesting, exciting event. Do you have any

721
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:22,400
thoughts about the procect of that down
the road? Yeah, Look, that's

722
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,239
that's something you dream, you know, something you wake up to. You

723
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:32,639
know he's number one pound for pound
faro and yeah, that's like to be

724
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,920
great, you know, to be
to be a great in this sport.

725
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:39,800
This is the top of challenges that
you have to take on. So look

726
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,119
like welcoming with both hands, as
I said, as I said, I

727
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:46,639
don't fear no man. No one
willking this up. I fear no one.

728
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:51,280
So you would you would definitely be
amenable then to making that match right

729
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,559
away as soon as possible. Basically
once Mark thirtieth is taken care of.

730
00:45:54,519 --> 00:46:00,679
Easy man easy, I'm very easy. Like these other guys. It take

731
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:06,800
months to negotiate men, I'm done. Give me the pen, give me

732
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,079
the pen to sign the contract.
I'll be I'll be ready, you know,

733
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,599
even with Keith Thurman. When they
mentioned Keith Thurman to me, I

734
00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:17,360
was like, yeah, no worries, not even one second straight away.

735
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,719
I said, yes Keith. On
the other other hand, they needed a

736
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:27,800
couple of days to study me.
Apparently. I'll tell the listeners we're seeing

737
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,519
each other on a zoom call.
The folks that hear this interview will be

738
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:32,199
listening to it. But the whole
time you were saying all that stuff about

739
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:35,320
give me the pen, I'll sign. You had a big smile on your

740
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,639
face, so tells me that you
have a lot of enthusiasm well out of

741
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:43,119
curiosity. Other than Keith Thurman,
was anybody mentioned to you as a possibility

742
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,239
for this particular fight, or was
Keith like, hey, what about him?

743
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,519
And you just said yes right away? Or they gave you a menu

744
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:52,440
of you know, a few different
guys than you selected. Yeah, sir,

745
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:57,719
look, I was prepping for March
second against Ericson Leuvin. That's that's

746
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:04,800
that was my intention sted sparring.
I had a camp for eight weeks against

747
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,079
South Paws. I was I was
a sparring South Paws and getting used to

748
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:15,920
that. And then basically afterwards we
found out we don't have an opponent anymore,

749
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,800
but we got a date. So
before we didn't have a date,

750
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,199
we had an opponent, and then
and then it all changed. We hadn't

751
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:25,079
that we hadn't no opponent, but
we had a date which was March thirtieth,

752
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:28,159
and I was frustrated. I was
like, for the hell, you

753
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:30,639
know, I've been prepping for Lubin
for two months. What happened? What

754
00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:32,920
happened Toluvin that he was in your
March thirtieth opponent. I don't know,

755
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,559
man, honestly, I don't know. I mean, probably because he's just

756
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:38,239
not as big of a name as
Thurman in terms of PBC wants to put

757
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,280
on a pay per view of that, it seems to me, but who

758
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,519
knows. It makes sense, Yeah, it makes makes absolute sense. Yeah,

759
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,840
I understand that. So when they
mentioned Urman, I said, no

760
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,239
worries, sweet, you know,
I was. I was. I remember

761
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,599
when I got the reaction I was. I was just so excited. I

762
00:47:55,639 --> 00:48:00,320
was like, of course, you
know, it's a no brainer. Well,

763
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,599
I'm looking forward to the fight.
You know, it should be very

764
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:05,039
interesting to see you in the United
States, Like you said, excited to

765
00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:08,519
be on pay per view on the
first ever PBC Amazon March thirtieth Keith Thurman,

766
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:12,360
Tim, thank you very much for
doing this. I appreciate I wish

767
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,000
you the best of luck in your
fight. Sure you bet, there you

768
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,440
go, are ready? That's Tim
zoo w bo dream Midlewaight champ of the

769
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,440
world again. I'm anxious to see
what he looks like. I don't know

770
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,760
what to expect. I will say
this there. There was a local media

771
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:30,000
feature also on Keith Thurman here in
the Tampa Bay area training out of clear

772
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,000
Water for this fight coming up.
And I know you have spoken recently with

773
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:37,559
Keith Thurman. Future podcast Peepee Future
podcast Alert you'll hear from Keith Thurman,

774
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:42,000
the former world welterweight champion. But
impressions, you've done this before, You've

775
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:45,039
talked with Tim Zoo before, You've
seen him on the video hookup. Impressions

776
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,840
seeing him we're now a couple of
weeks out before the fight. Impressions,

777
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,920
Tim is a very poised guy,
a very chill guy, you know,

778
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:58,000
good to talk to, just just
anxious for the fight, but excited for

779
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:01,079
the fight, you know, really
excited about the prospect of headlining in Vegas.

780
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,800
You know, his father, Acassa
Zuo, the Hall of Famer,

781
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:07,639
headlined in Vegas. You know,
he's kind of following in his footsteps in

782
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:12,480
that respect. He he loves the
fact that he's on the first of the

783
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:16,159
Amazon events, fighting a good name. Even if you know, he didn't

784
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:20,159
say this, but I kind of
got that impression, like I know he's

785
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:22,559
taken Key. I feel like he's
taking Keith Thurman seriously. But he's also

786
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:28,480
aware that he's older, he's inactive, he's moving up in weight, and

787
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,480
and he feels like he's gonna shine
him. You could hear it, and

788
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:31,880
you could just sort of hear it
in his voice, and you know he

789
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:36,400
was, uh. You know,
he's a good interview because I feel like

790
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,239
in the in the in the few
times I have interviewed Tim that he just

791
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,039
tells you his honest opinion when you
ask him a question. And I like

792
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:46,079
that a lot of no nonsense.
And again they'll ratchet up the rhetoric,

793
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:51,280
especially Thurman coming up. Uh,
Zoo has gotten off some good blasts when

794
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,639
Thurman's been going on and on about
it. I'm so hungry. I'm the

795
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:57,800
hungriest guy. I'm hungry, hungry, And Zoo said hungry. You've been

796
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,719
on a five year vacation. May
they said back to him, So yes,

797
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,679
we'll get ready for all the rhetoric. And again Keith Thurman on a

798
00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:09,159
future conversation in a little bit.
But good to hear from Tim Zoo.

799
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:15,199
Big things ahead from him ahead for
him, especially if he is impressive,

800
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,480
if not spectacular, against Thurman in
this pay per view in Las Vegas coming

801
00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:22,639
on March thirtieth at the end of
the month with all of the mayhem.

802
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:25,760
All right, a couple of news
items. You were talking about this,

803
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,639
you were ahead of the curve,
and it's now official. Canelo Alvarez does

804
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:35,239
the deal with Premiere Boxing Champions but
as you said, not only on Amazon

805
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,599
Prime pay per view, but also
will be distributed by the owne and one

806
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:45,440
of our sponsors, PPV dot Com
as well. And again for clarification,

807
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:49,760
idiot is a one fight deal.
This is not to continue along with PBC,

808
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,079
so they had to renegotiate a new
deal. You reported that we talked

809
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:54,880
about on the podcast the other day
that all the parties have now made it

810
00:50:54,920 --> 00:51:00,719
official and announced it. So when
they could not agree to the second fight

811
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:06,239
of the three fight deal, which
caused them to break apart because he contractually

812
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,480
Canelo did have the right to go
shop elsewhere when they could not come to

813
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:15,599
an agreement and Hayman and PBC were
trying to from what the sources tell me,

814
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,400
change the terms of the agreement,
whether the money or the who he

815
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,159
should fight in the following fight in
September, because remember the three names that

816
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:27,400
were in the agreement, from what
I am told, are both Charlotte brothers,

817
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:31,559
one of whom he dispatched easily in
September, Jamal and also Errol Spence.

818
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:36,639
But Jamal and Errol Spence, since
the contract was done in July or

819
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,559
June or whatever of last year,
they were no longer viable as pay per

820
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:45,360
view opponents. You got to figure
something out different than that. So that

821
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:47,239
was a crux of the issue.
So he went out on his own his

822
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:52,480
team. They negotiated with Eddie Hearn
and Matchroom about a possible reunion for them.

823
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:55,719
They have a good relationship to do
a couple of fights this year.

824
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,920
There was definitely one thousand percent a
third party that was involved, and that

825
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:06,320
was having conversations with the Canelo team
that did not come to pass. And

826
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,639
at some point in that you know, a week and a half or so

827
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:13,440
that they were away from each other. I am told that PBC made another

828
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:16,880
call and extended a different offer,
and they went obviously, like any negotiation,

829
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,239
go back and forth, and they
wound up coming to an agreement on

830
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,239
a one fight deal for what I'm
told is north of thirty five million dollars

831
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:28,920
for Canelo's guarantee, and so it'll
just be one more fight instead of the

832
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,239
two more fights that PBC originally had. Now, just because the one fight

833
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:36,239
will take place in May does not
mean that when that's done and there's the

834
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,079
next fight to start to talk about
in September, he couldn't stay with them

835
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:42,199
and do another one fight deal or
again go to back to match Room,

836
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,400
or you know, go to the
third party if they're still interested or whatever.

837
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:50,679
But he's he's rolling the dice on
himself and he's controlling his own career

838
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,559
as the star. And it also
tells me that in the end, PBC

839
00:52:54,679 --> 00:53:00,679
understood that they needed Canelo more than
he needed them, because for them to

840
00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:05,639
shorten the deal from two fights to
one fight left you know, a new

841
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:09,039
deal, and for them to not
get into a pissing contest about the Zone,

842
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,320
which they really have time to do
that because the May fourth is coming

843
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,360
so quickly in terms of a pay
per view, it was going to become

844
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:20,800
bogged down in legalities because you know, maybe they thought that they were not

845
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,639
obligated to just give it to the
Zone for whatever the reasons, because that's

846
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:27,800
the Golden Boy partner. Golden Boy
is involved with Mangia as the core promoter,

847
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,639
was zan for promotions. They basically
threw their hands up and said,

848
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:32,239
fuck it, let's just do it. That's my impression from what the sources

849
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,320
were telling me, that they didn't
want to bother with the with with getting

850
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,679
into a you know, a back
and forth with lawyers and everything. So

851
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:44,360
they will you know, PBC's producing
the event. It'll be their production,

852
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,360
as opposed to when it was a
Showtime pay per view, Showtime would do

853
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,760
the production. PBC will do the
production. So if you buy the pay

854
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,400
per view on Amazon, or you
buy the pay per view on PPV dot

855
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,679
com, or you buy the pay
per view on the Zone, you're going

856
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,360
to see the same set of you
know, graphics and announcers and doubts and

857
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,079
the whole thing. But that's that's
the way they're going to work this out.

858
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:08,679
Mangia. I don't know exactly,
but I'm told he's getting a guarantee,

859
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:12,840
you know, in the ten million
dollar plus what you said, right,

860
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,400
right, So so it's like they
got like forty million dollars hanging on

861
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:20,079
you or thereabout forty five millions.
I said this to you the other night.

862
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:22,519
I'm repeating again. Everybody got what
they wanted. Canello obviously, wanted

863
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:28,840
his guarantee, which they met.
PBC then wanted this fight because they needed

864
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,079
this for credibility for what they're doing. Mongia gets what he wants, which

865
00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:36,679
is a massive payday in the biggest
fight of his career, probably will be

866
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:40,280
his biggest fight ever. So even
and even his owne makes out that they

867
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,440
get to show the fight, So
everybody got something that they wanted out of

868
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:49,199
it, and PBC got of the
fights that were available. If you again,

869
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,400
we can get into a whole separate
discussion about whether he should be fighting

870
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,039
David Benavide's but he's not. That's
a different story. I believe he should

871
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:59,599
be, But put that aside as
long as you accept the fact that Canelo

872
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,760
was not going to be fighting David
on May fourth. They got the PBC

873
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:08,559
for their purposes of business, got
a fighter that's not in their stable,

874
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:14,400
for their platform, and they got
the best possible fight that they could have

875
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,239
made. You know, I think
that's not a controversial statement. Now,

876
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,199
maybe some people might say, Crawford, that's a whole different animal situation if

877
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:24,880
they did that fight, that's a
different level. But in terms of like

878
00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:29,960
just a normal super middleweight fight,
the next best guy. Besides the fight

879
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:35,960
with ben Vitez, of course,
was this fight against two things about Mangia.

880
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:38,320
He's gonna throw big and he's gonna
get hit, So there's not a

881
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,960
lot of mystery there and here we
go. Here we go with that being

882
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,159
the opponent, and that will all
ramp up in the coming week. So

883
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,840
I've heard from a lot of people
since this was, since Canelo and mcgea

884
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,119
and folks involve, they've put this
out on their social media on Friday night,

885
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:57,280
they haven't sent out like an official
press release or a ticket thing or

886
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,760
anything about a media tour. And
that'll come, I'm sure in due time.

887
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:04,639
But I got a lot of people
that were asking about the reporting that

888
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:07,719
had been that Canelo didn't want to
fight or wouldn't fight a Mexican opponent.

889
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,599
And again I don't speak Spanish.
My understanding is it's not that he told

890
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,360
TVs Tech in that recent interview that
I won't fight a Mexican. It was

891
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:21,119
that my preference is not to fight
a Mexican. But when that became basically

892
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,119
the guy that everybody could agree on
that was a a fight big enough that

893
00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:28,079
would do the kind of business that
they need to do a fight the fans

894
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:30,400
would certainly be interested in. It's
obviously on a Mexican you know, on

895
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,760
the single Demio holiday, so it's
sure going to be a big Mexican celebration.

896
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,320
It made the most sense to do
the fight and Canelo again, you

897
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,840
know, again, it's maybe not
his preference, but in the end,

898
00:56:40,199 --> 00:56:45,679
there's thirty five million plus reasons he's
doing it. And thank god because we're

899
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:51,679
not having to try to sit here
talk about much less promote Jamal Charlow being

900
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:54,000
in and around that not needed.
I'm gonna tell you something about that real

901
00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:59,360
quick on that. Yes, you
know, I've covered pretty much every Canelo

902
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:00,719
fight there's been since he became like
a top name. I mean, I

903
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:06,760
didn't cover the pandemic fights whatever,
but I've covered a lot of Canelo fights

904
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,079
in my day. And I was
thinking to myself, for a Team Mobile

905
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:13,880
fight in May, I'm just not
gonna go cover the Charlotte fight because I

906
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,320
think that fight sucked and I'm just
not gonna waste I mean, I would

907
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,079
write about it just because that's what
I do as a botuator, but I

908
00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:22,480
don't need to go and spend four
days in Las Vegas running around and doing

909
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,519
the nonsense for a fight that I
think is garbage. And I'm thrilled that

910
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:30,599
they and I'm not even knocking Jermal
Jamal needs to go get his career back

911
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:34,039
together. I wish him nothing but
the best of success in that endeavor.

912
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,159
And if you can do something to
maybe earn the fight, fine, But

913
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,840
when you had the options of and
Charlotte was the guy sitting there, and

914
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:45,760
you're telling me you're not fighting Benavide's, Oh you're not gonna fight Magia,

915
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,079
You're not even gonna fight Crawford,
and blah blah blah, give me a

916
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:51,159
fucking break. So I'm happy that
they made this fight, even if I'm

917
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,199
further defeat us fight. All right, Two other things, real quick,

918
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:58,679
here you did mention Terrence Crawford,
and you have here on the rundown that

919
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,639
Chris you Bank has been talking right
now. In fact, he put it

920
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:07,840
on social media that hey, uh, he'd be interested in fighting Terence Crawford.

921
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,480
As you often joke, the fighters
are always seemingly the last to know,

922
00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:12,760
and they often want to stir this
stuff up that everybody wants to fight

923
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,800
everybody. How realistic is this?
Their workers is what do you have it

924
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:21,400
on the on the ray Field zero
to ten ten it absolutely happens. Well,

925
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:23,119
I don't know if it actually happens. What I can tell you is

926
00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:28,119
that I am told by somebody that
would know one hundred that this is why

927
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:30,639
it is being discussed. It's being
talked about. They're trying to work out

928
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:31,840
the terps. They're trying to work
it all out and see what they can

929
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:36,079
do. I'm not sure who would
be the actual promoter if maybe if Hayman

930
00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:39,639
would be involved and UH and PBC
and TGB. Chris Ubank's promoter is uh

931
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,679
Wasserman Boxing. That's the Saralyn Brothers. They're based out of the UK.

932
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,840
Uh. They've never done a big
American show. Uh, but you know,

933
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,159
so who knows. I guess they
would be involved. From the standpoint

934
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:57,440
of of Chris Eubank. But again
I've said this for a while now.

935
00:58:58,199 --> 00:59:00,360
If he wasn't going to get to
the Canelo fight Crawford, he was in

936
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:06,159
a very tough spot because there's no
big name for him to fight in his

937
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:08,559
own way class. There's guys that
you might be interested to see, Like

938
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:12,519
would you tell me if you want
to have him fight against Sharron Ennis.

939
00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:16,360
I'll definitely be in yes, but
that makes there's no commercial, real commercial

940
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:22,039
value to that fight. There's not
any other real welterweight. You know,

941
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,840
you have Tafimo Lopez, who's the
junior welterweight champion calling him out. I

942
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,159
mean, I'd be okay with that
fight, but that's a bridge. That's

943
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:31,679
a bridge too far in my mind
of making the match for business reasons and

944
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,719
also just because I don't know offense
to tia Fimo. You know, he

945
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,880
didn't really look that good in the
last fight. I don't Thinknyboe would give

946
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,239
him a chance and hell to win
the fight, so he'd have to come

947
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,800
up and wait. Crawford, his
bursting at one forty seven, wants to

948
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,920
go to fifty four. They were
going to do the rematch with Spence,

949
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,920
would have been at one fifty four
had it come off. That obviously is

950
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:52,639
not happening. The point is he's
a great fighter, he's the pound for

951
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:55,320
pound number one, he's a future
Hall of Famer. He's got massive accomplishment,

952
00:59:55,719 --> 01:00:00,320
but he does he doesn't have a
huge amount of options for you know,

953
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,559
even if you look to one fifty
four, Charlow is really kind of

954
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:06,760
off the reservation for the time being. He's got his legal issues. They

955
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,800
just made him champion in recess.
Blah blah blah. Tim Zoo would be

956
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,039
an interesting fight. I'd love to
see that. He's got the fight coming

957
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:15,239
up there. That's a compelling fight. If Zero's impressive here, Zoo's been

958
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,480
active, that's a compelling fight.
And that's that's a fight where the entire

959
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:22,719
continent of Australian sports fans will pay
attention to that fight. So that's so,

960
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,400
I mean, maybe listen, So
if Zoo was the winner against Thurman

961
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:30,199
in March and and Crawford comes back
and fights you know in the like July

962
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,559
ish or whatever in the summer,
uh, and he wins, maybe they

963
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:36,000
can make a Zoo versus Crawford at
the end of the year. That'd be

964
01:00:36,039 --> 01:00:37,199
great. But in the meantime,
you look around, you like, who

965
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:39,760
can he fight? So they're talking
about you Bek, who's a you know,

966
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:44,800
good fighter. He's coming off a
big revenge knockout against William Smith in

967
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:49,639
September of last year after being knocked
out earlier in the fight in the beginning

968
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:53,480
of twenty twenty three, and it
would also be interesting from the standpoint that

969
01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:57,639
Terrence Crawford, who's the welterweight champion, would have to go up and fight

970
01:00:57,719 --> 01:01:00,400
him at one sixty. I mean, you Bank has fought his heavy is

971
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,400
like in the in the super middleweight
division where he fought a lot of top

972
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:06,840
guys. Uh, but now he's
been the last few fights he's in the

973
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,840
one sixty weight class. Crawford would
have to go up and wait, we'll

974
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,719
see if it actually gets made.
The one interesting thing about that, besides

975
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,400
you know, however you want to
break down the matchup, is the training

976
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:20,079
situation, because you know, I
think they've sparred together. Brian McIntyre is

977
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:23,599
obviously the career long trainer of Terrence
Crawford, but he take he just took

978
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:29,360
over the training duties for to uh
to train U Bank Junior when they had

979
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,119
the rematch against Liam Smith. Remember
he was trained by somebody else for the

980
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:35,760
first fight, right Brian. Brian
and Brian put together the plan and he

981
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,599
get the revenge knockout. So obviously
that was a big factor and why Brian

982
01:01:38,679 --> 01:01:44,480
McIntyre won by pretty much everybody the
trainer of the Year for two thousands.

983
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,239
I remember it because unfortunately for Bowmack
as he's known. He got to spend

984
01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:51,199
an extra month or five weeks in
Manchester because he had a gun with him.

985
01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:54,679
I remember the whole thing, but
it could come together for that connection

986
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:59,719
the trainer McIntyre. But the reason
he won the Trainer of the Year was

987
01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:02,679
not just because of the fact that
Crawford defeated Arrow the way he did,

988
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,840
but also because he was able to
reverse what happened with you Bank in the

989
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,280
Lillams Smith fight. So he had
two huge wins with two different guys,

990
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:14,039
and that's usually a way to get
the Trainer of the Year. So I'm

991
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:15,039
assuming. I mean, I don't
know this for a fact, but I

992
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:19,199
couldn't possibly imagine that he would stay
with you Bank for the fight. He

993
01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:22,000
would probably of course be with Crawford, his guy. But we'll see if

994
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,679
they actually get it done. I
mean, I don't want to spend too

995
01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:27,800
much time until it's signed. But
that's sort of what's going on. They

996
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,159
are talking. You Bank maybe got
a little ahead of himself by putting up

997
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:32,360
that you know, fake Pete,
you know, not fake in terms of

998
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:37,320
that it's not making but the unofficial
artwork for the fight. I guess all

999
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,760
things consider of who's out there,
and you don't want to see Crawford sit

1000
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,599
out and not fight. So if
that's the fight, so be it.

1001
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:46,960
I just you know, unfortunately you
get a figure its fit's another seventy dollars

1002
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:52,039
pay per view, which is disappointing. All right, So this fight had

1003
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:55,960
been looming and being discussed. That's
a third fight with Katie Taylor and Chantell

1004
01:02:57,559 --> 01:03:05,199
Cameron. Potentially Taylor avenged her defeat
and won against Cameron in their second fight.

1005
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,719
All right, So what's the latest, real quick before we get to

1006
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,159
a little fun nostalgia and get out
of here. Is this gonna happen or

1007
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:13,800
not anytime soon? What do we
know? What do we think? Well,

1008
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,679
it seemed like after the rematch which
Katie won, you know, she

1009
01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:22,000
had lost a very close fight challenging
Cameron for the undisputed women's title at junior

1010
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:27,280
walter wait, and of course Katie
was the lightweight undisputed champion and when she

1011
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,840
won, when she lost the fight, she exercised her rematch, right,

1012
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,480
they had the second fight. Both
of the fights were absolute barn burners,

1013
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:37,360
tremendous battles, you know, women's
fight of the year type stuff. When

1014
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,199
they had the the second fight that
took place, Katie won and another very

1015
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:44,199
close fight. I mean both of
them were extremely close, but she won

1016
01:03:44,239 --> 01:03:46,519
the fight, got the titles,
and she ended up vacating her belts in

1017
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:51,800
the lightweight division. And the conversation
right after was we're going to do a

1018
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,679
third fight. They were trying to
maybe get it done to having the big

1019
01:03:54,719 --> 01:04:00,559
in the soccer stadium in Dublin Croke
Park. They kept talking about and everybody

1020
01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:04,559
seemed on board. I know Matt
whom boxing wanted to do it. The

1021
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:08,079
two fighters said they were interested to
do it. Everybody looked like it was

1022
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:10,440
gonna happen. Obviously the zone would
be happy to do the third fight.

1023
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,880
It was such a such a two
fight. I mean they were great,

1024
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,880
man, I mean they were really
truly spectacular fights. I mean every bit

1025
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:20,199
as good as even when Katie fought
Serrano. And so then just in the

1026
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:26,039
last few days, it was Chantell
Cameron going on her social media saying that

1027
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,840
she's agreed to take a big purse
reduction to make the fight happen financially,

1028
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,480
because that's what she was told was
to hold up in making the match,

1029
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:35,920
and the reason, you know,
that she she agreed to do that,

1030
01:04:36,239 --> 01:04:40,480
but then she also stated that it
looked like that Katie was going to take

1031
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,360
a key busy fight, you know, to quote unquote avoid me because she,

1032
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:45,960
you know, maybe is not wanting
to have the third fight. So

1033
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,519
they're sort of at that sort of
situation where I guess Katie's looking to do

1034
01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:53,679
some other bout. I've not heard
any names, but Cameron is, you

1035
01:04:53,719 --> 01:04:56,760
know, willing to take a financial
cut to get the third fight on for

1036
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,280
him, the opportunity to have this
other this third fighting for a chance winner

1037
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,000
titles back. So it's based on
Chantel Cameron's perspective. The ball is in

1038
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,880
Katie Taylor's court. Now Katie,
to my knowledge, has not come out

1039
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:11,880
and said anything publicly one way or
the other about it. But at the

1040
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,840
end of the day, Katie is
the star, bigger so than Chandelle.

1041
01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:18,039
Katie is the champion, and Katie
is the one that's gonna call the shots.

1042
01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:21,079
I mean, we'll see what happens. I hope they do the fight.

1043
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:26,079
I mean, it was so it
was so spectacular, and it's not

1044
01:05:26,119 --> 01:05:30,840
like there's some other obvious opponent out
there. You know, the name is

1045
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,440
Serrano and obviously she had the mess
with her pay per view and that's not

1046
01:05:33,519 --> 01:05:36,280
realistic to be happening anytime soon either, right, So we've got the eye

1047
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:41,440
problem that that fight seems further away
than it has been because now she's still

1048
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,280
the champion at featherweight, Katie is
now the champion a junior welterweight. I

1049
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:46,880
mean, yes, they can find
that weight in between. Again, I'm

1050
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,880
not saying that won't happen again,
but it seems further away now than it

1051
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,800
has been for a little bit,
So we'll see what happens. What's good

1052
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:59,079
though, is that we have these
types of fights within women's boxing that you

1053
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:00,960
can get excited. But I always
would say this, like when women's boxing

1054
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:04,239
was first starting to come to the
forefront and kind of be a big deal.

1055
01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:09,079
The problem with with the women's side
of boxing was he had some really

1056
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:13,280
good names, Laila Ali and Christy
Martin some of the other women that were

1057
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,960
in that category, but there was
not any sort of like rivalries. People

1058
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,239
would say, I want to see
a Layla fight, but they couldn't really

1059
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:23,840
say other than the end Wolf fight, which never happened unfortunately, but they

1060
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,079
didn't really have like I want to
see her fight Disney Woman, or I

1061
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:29,039
want to fight see this match.
It was all about the individuals. We're

1062
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:32,320
in a time now in the talent
level of women has increased so dramatically.

1063
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:35,840
Then now we get times where it's
like, I want to see Taylor versus

1064
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:40,119
Cameron, I want to see Taylor
in a Remtress Toronto. I want to

1065
01:06:40,159 --> 01:06:43,679
see you know, pick a name, whether it was Savannah Marshall against Laressa

1066
01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:46,320
Shields or any of the matchups that
we've seen at the top level. That's

1067
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,719
where women's boxing is right now.
So that we can have an excited discussion

1068
01:06:49,719 --> 01:06:55,119
about being upset that we might not
see the trilogy fight between Cameron and Katie

1069
01:06:55,159 --> 01:07:00,159
Taylor. That's how far women's boxing
has come in recent years. All right,

1070
01:07:00,199 --> 01:07:05,039
So good stuff nostalgia and we don't
really have anything greater earth shattering anniversary

1071
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:09,519
wise. We did kind of cover
it going into the on the on the

1072
01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:13,440
Preview podcast, going into the weekend
on some of the big moments, but

1073
01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:16,960
this actually got posed and I kind
of I like this, this is different

1074
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,239
and we can go, you know, as far back as you want to

1075
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:24,000
go, recent or not. It
got closed when Top Ranked Boxing put a

1076
01:07:24,039 --> 01:07:29,840
tweet out saying, tell us your
biggest what if in boxing? You know,

1077
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:31,360
I know you've got several. You're
like, you're like at the buffet

1078
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,119
and you want everything on your plate
on the buffet. I'm gonna have to

1079
01:07:34,199 --> 01:07:39,480
narrow you from fifteen. I got
to narrow you from fifteen what ifs to

1080
01:07:39,719 --> 01:07:44,320
like maybe five. But I have
four or four on my list, three

1081
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:45,960
or four? All right, I've
got a couple. Give me one what

1082
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:49,559
if? In by what if this
had happened? How might the history have

1083
01:07:49,639 --> 01:07:55,280
been different? How might trajectories have
changed for both fighters or not? Or

1084
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,719
this fighter or not? Give me
a what if? All right? So

1085
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,880
just so people understand, this is
not meant to be an all encompassing list.

1086
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,559
If I'd ever decide to write a
piece, maybe it would go a

1087
01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:06,440
little more in depth. This was
the sort of thing nice all encompassing list.

1088
01:08:06,519 --> 01:08:09,559
Or did I just say give me
a one? If I thought I

1089
01:08:09,559 --> 01:08:12,159
said give me a one? If
I'm just saying. When I saw the

1090
01:08:12,159 --> 01:08:14,679
top rank tweet and I was doing
the rundown, I was sort of like,

1091
01:08:14,679 --> 01:08:15,760
you know what, there was a
couple of nostalgia things. I'm like,

1092
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,680
let's let's switch it. Up a
little bit to one. I always

1093
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,880
think about when it comes to the
what if. To me, and I'm

1094
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,199
not saying it's the only one,
but in my mind, it's like,

1095
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:30,199
one of the biggest things that changed
the trajectory of boxing in a million different

1096
01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:34,960
ways, is that what if?
After Roy Jones had defeated John Ruiz for

1097
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:40,159
the WBA heavyweight title March first,
two thousand and three in a huge victory,

1098
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:44,039
big pay per view. I was
there covering that fight, and he

1099
01:08:44,079 --> 01:08:48,520
became the first former middleweight champion to
also win a heavyweight title in one hundred

1100
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:53,039
plus years since Bob Fitzsimmons. I
mean, right, that's big shit.

1101
01:08:54,199 --> 01:08:57,720
After that fight was over, there
was a lot of discussion about what's Roy

1102
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,760
Jones going to do? Is see, and it got to a point where

1103
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,960
they were engaged in very serious negotiations
to do Roy Jones against Evander Holyfield,

1104
01:09:05,079 --> 01:09:09,640
who was still a viable heavyweight at
that time. He was with Don King.

1105
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,199
They would have been a big,
mega HBO pay per view card.

1106
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:15,079
They were going to do it at
Madison Square Guarden in New York. They'd

1107
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:16,680
already had I don't know if they
had made a deal, but they certainly

1108
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,239
had the Garden, you know,
involved, and we're looking to close that

1109
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:25,199
down. And at the end they
could not finalize the fight because of the

1110
01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:30,079
differences of opinions between If my murray
serves it was Roy Jones having issues with

1111
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:32,399
King and Holyfield having issues with King, and obviously it always comes down to

1112
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:36,840
the money. That would have been
a huge fight and Evander was just enough

1113
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:41,720
passed his best where I think most
people would have looked at the way that

1114
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,720
Roy performed against Ruiz that he would
have been able to do the same against

1115
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:49,840
Holyfield, who had you know,
had fights himself against John Ruiz, and

1116
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:54,439
it just did not come to pass. And that's such a shame because it

1117
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,720
would have been a mega fight.
Roy Jones, I think would have won

1118
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,960
the fight. This is we're talking
about some time in the County of two

1119
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,840
two thousand and three, uh and
and had that happened and they fought,

1120
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:10,680
I think if Roy wins, He's
now still got the heavyweight title at the

1121
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:15,520
WBA, he's still the pound for
bow number one, He's still considered one

1122
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:16,680
of the great. He would have
gone down and was one of the great

1123
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,039
fighters of all time. And eventually
if he had lost at heavyweight, he

1124
01:10:20,119 --> 01:10:24,680
still would have been like revered for
what he had accomplished, because it's one

1125
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,680
thing to beat John Ruiz. It's
a different ballgame if you're beating John Ruiz,

1126
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,840
Andy Dart then and whoever else you
may fight after that. So if

1127
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,239
you're thinking about what was going on
in two thousand and three, holy Field,

1128
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,319
you know, again, like I
said, he was still like a

1129
01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:41,319
pretty good fighter at that point.
I mean, he's not as absolute peak

1130
01:10:41,319 --> 01:10:43,800
by any stretch of the imagination,
of course, but you know, he

1131
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,920
gave competitive fights to guys like Chris
Bird, and he had been you know,

1132
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,560
he had fought James Tony that was
a loss. But that fight happened

1133
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:54,079
after he took that fight. Because
the Roy Joe's I'm siding with you that

1134
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:57,800
Roy would have probably had a legitimate
chance to be yah we chance to beating

1135
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,199
but chose not to do it,
chose to move back. If he if

1136
01:11:00,199 --> 01:11:03,920
he wins against holy Field, and
it's a huge event, it's like Roy's

1137
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:10,319
in a different level of his mount
rushmore niss of boxing. Let's say instead

1138
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:15,000
the fight didn't happen and he ended
up taking the fight at light heavyweight against

1139
01:11:15,039 --> 01:11:18,479
Antonio Tarver in the first fight they
had of their trilogy. He had to

1140
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,800
cut all that weight. He ended
up winning the fight, but it was

1141
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,479
a huge struggle. It was the
worst he ever fought, you know.

1142
01:11:26,039 --> 01:11:29,600
You know, he had the DQ
loss against Montel Griffin, but he struggled.

1143
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,600
He didn't struggle in that fight.
He really struggled against Tarvor. He

1144
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,880
was all messed up because he took
all that weight off, you know,

1145
01:11:35,119 --> 01:11:39,920
twenty five you know, twenty pounds
of muscle. And I think the way

1146
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:45,640
he was remembered in boxing history is
dradically different because he decided to go back

1147
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:47,399
to light heavyweight and they couldn't close
up the deal for the holy Field fight.

1148
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,359
To me, that was such a
big moment that changed the path for

1149
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:57,239
both him and for and for the
history of the sport. That was the

1150
01:11:57,359 --> 01:12:00,520
number one. I got a couple
others, but I got one that just

1151
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,560
came to mind right away when I
saw that tweet, right away, when

1152
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:08,600
you put this on the rundown,
it is the all time of my lifetime.

1153
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,520
What if? As far as I'm
concerned, because we keep talking about

1154
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:18,680
this. Mike Tyson was seemingly indestructible
in the late nineteen eighties, and you

1155
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:24,439
know where I'm going. The biggest
what if was Don King getting involved and

1156
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:29,680
driving the wedge right between all the
people that helped make Tyson what he was,

1157
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,119
in specific Kevin Rooney being his trainer. Now, others did help train

1158
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:39,279
him. Costamato obviously was his biggest
mentor. Teddy Atlas helped train him.

1159
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:44,560
But when that wedge happened, you
started to see signs even then, and

1160
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,479
you go back and relive all of
it, documentaries and whatever, signs that

1161
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:53,840
a destruction was coming, and eventually
it did come in Tokyo. And the

1162
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:58,520
what if I have is what if
Don King's not involved? And what if

1163
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,239
there's not a wedge between Tyson Rooney
and the laser focus that you were talking

1164
01:13:01,279 --> 01:13:06,479
about earlier in this podcast. Does
Mike Tyson go on to win five,

1165
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:14,159
six, seven more heavyweight championship fights
and undisputed defenses there? We will never

1166
01:13:14,359 --> 01:13:19,239
know. All we know is what
did happen? And his career completely unraveled

1167
01:13:19,319 --> 01:13:23,399
and he went to prison. And
you could argue he was maybe on a

1168
01:13:23,399 --> 01:13:26,600
self destructive path where something like that
was gonna happen anyway, But from the

1169
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:30,039
boxing standpoint, the biggest what if
as far as I'm concerned is what if

1170
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:35,039
the wedge wasn't driven in between and
all of that got screwed up. And

1171
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:39,760
still I still love going back and
watching the nostalgia where Kevin Rooney at the

1172
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,239
time is going on on I won't
do my Rooney impression because you hate it

1173
01:13:42,279 --> 01:13:45,119
where he's going on and on about
don you know Don King ruined Greg Page,

1174
01:13:45,159 --> 01:13:48,840
he ruined Tim Witherspoon, He he
ruined Michael Donks, how many fighters?

1175
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,479
Tony Tubbs, how many fighters?
And he goes and now he's gonna

1176
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:56,760
ruin Mike. He said it,
he said it before. That was the

1177
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,600
Buster Douglas fight, and he ended
up being right right. So there's my

1178
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,159
one. If I gave you another
one, if give me another one,

1179
01:14:02,279 --> 01:14:06,960
f go ahead, all right,
here's another one. I was there May

1180
01:14:08,039 --> 01:14:12,880
eighth, two thousand and four at
the MGM Grand where the first fight took

1181
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,600
place between Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny
pakiav spectacular fight, the first of a

1182
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:21,159
four fight series. Where oftentimes we
talk about trilogies where one fights maybe not

1183
01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:25,279
so good, but the other two
are great. This was a four fight

1184
01:14:25,399 --> 01:14:30,199
series where all four fights are spectacular. Tremendous battles. The fourth fight is

1185
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:34,720
the probably the fight of the decade, knockout of the decade, whatever,

1186
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,840
the spectacular fight, the one that
Marquez won at the end. All three

1187
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:43,399
close, all three with some controversy
obviously other than the fourth fight. But

1188
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:47,920
in the first fight they went in
where this was for the recognition as the

1189
01:14:48,199 --> 01:14:55,560
champion at one hundred and twenty six
pounds. Marquez had belts, Pacio had

1190
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:59,720
the lineage because he had defeated Marco
Antonio Brera. Awesome first class matchup.

1191
01:15:00,119 --> 01:15:01,960
I was a privilege to be ringside
not only for that fight but all four

1192
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:06,640
of their fights together. But in
the first round of the first fight of

1193
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:12,479
what became this legendary four fight series, Manny Pachel put Marquees on the deck

1194
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:17,479
three times, and a lot of
referees, most referees after the third knockdown,

1195
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:21,560
which was not a like a flash
knockdown by any stretch of the imagination,

1196
01:15:23,239 --> 01:15:25,920
waved the fight right then and there. This fight's over. You've been

1197
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,039
down three times, you've been handed
your ass, and it's over and we'll

1198
01:15:29,159 --> 01:15:32,199
live to fight another day. Joe
Cortes was the referee. Joe Cortes one

1199
01:15:32,199 --> 01:15:36,279
of the greatest referees in boxing history, a Hall of famer obviously, and

1200
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:41,880
he had the he saw something.
He's the guy closest. He made a

1201
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,119
decision that he was going to let
that fight go, and uh, that

1202
01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:48,640
fight went on, and Marquez not
only got himself back in the fight,

1203
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,399
but in my opinion and the opinion
of many that were there, he won

1204
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:57,800
the fight. He you know,
three knockdowns is hard to come back from.

1205
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,239
And in the end it was ruled
a split draw because one judge did

1206
01:16:00,279 --> 01:16:03,600
have it a one thirteen to one
thirteen draw. One judge had it one

1207
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:08,319
fifteen to one ten in favor of
Manny one one fifteen, one ten in

1208
01:16:08,319 --> 01:16:12,000
favor of Marquez. The reason why
it's the biggest what if is because if

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01:16:12,079 --> 01:16:18,000
Joe Cortes stops the fight number one, it's another incredible victory for Manny Paco,

1210
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:24,159
and number two, who knows what
type of debilitation that would have had

1211
01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:27,199
in one Manuel Marquez's career, who
is now in the Hall of Fame.

1212
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,039
But more notably, you can be
damn sure if Manny Paco gets a KO

1213
01:16:31,039 --> 01:16:35,000
one with three knockdowns, there's no
chance. Not only is there not a

1214
01:16:35,039 --> 01:16:39,720
four fight series. There's not a
three fight series and their sures heck,

1215
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,600
isn't even a two fight series.
And that became one of the great rivalries

1216
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,520
of the of the two thousands.
Uh, and it would have changed a

1217
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,920
lot of things for both of those
fighters. Talk about the epitome in sports

1218
01:16:50,039 --> 01:16:55,119
of it was almost over before it
ever started. What a classic example that

1219
01:16:55,119 --> 01:16:58,520
that four fight series would have been
over in the first round of the first

1220
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,880
fight before it started. That's a
great one, and it was, and

1221
01:17:02,119 --> 01:17:06,119
it was so a lot of people
were shocked that they let that that Joe

1222
01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:10,760
let the fight go, but he's
He's proven in retrospect it was the right

1223
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:15,199
decision because look what happened. Marquez
came back and arguably won the fight and

1224
01:17:15,359 --> 01:17:16,920
it turned out to be a draw
and led to the second fight a few

1225
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,680
years, you know, a couple
of years later. Whatever. It was

1226
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:23,399
the huge moment. We've been here
a while. I'll give you one more

1227
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,640
what if, and then I'll let
you have one more what if. Okay,

1228
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:30,720
how about let's go back to the
nineteen eighty one eighty two time frame.

1229
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,720
You know where I'm going with the
four Kings. What if? What

1230
01:17:34,079 --> 01:17:39,960
if? Thomas Hearns somehow can stay
on his feet, doesn't get stopped,

1231
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:45,479
and beats Sugar Ray Leonard. I
have always wondered what does that do to

1232
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,640
the Four Kings trilogy. You know, Leonard would have woned the immediate rematch,

1233
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:51,520
just like he got the immediate rematch
to avenge the Duran loss. But

1234
01:17:53,279 --> 01:17:58,399
Hearns couldn't get the immediate rematch with
Sugar Ray Leonard. Leonard ends up retiring.

1235
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,199
Hagler never got the fight when Leonard
in and around that time thought he

1236
01:18:01,279 --> 01:18:04,119
was going to, So they end
up fighting each other in the epic,

1237
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:10,880
epic, shortest classic fight ever,
Hearns and Hagler. You talk about the

1238
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,680
what if game, and then Haggler's
waiting on eventually Sugar Ray Leonard for the

1239
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:16,920
big payday. What if Thomas Hearns, who was winning the fight, I

1240
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,920
believe on two of the cards,
if he survives and wins that fight,

1241
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:25,960
what a classic? What if?
On what becomes of the Four Kings Hagler

1242
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,920
being in the mix. We probably
don't get the Hagler Hearns fight. Maybe

1243
01:18:30,199 --> 01:18:32,199
we certainly don't get it in the
timeframe we got it. Dan Rayfield in

1244
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:36,239
nineteen eighty five, maybe not.
There's a what if. That's a good

1245
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:39,920
one. I mean, that's just
what if. That's a great one,

1246
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,960
because like you said, you don't
know, you know, if there would

1247
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,399
have been a rematch obviously, but
her, you know, he couldn't hold

1248
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:47,079
on. He was badly hurt there
in the in the end of the fight.

1249
01:18:47,359 --> 01:18:49,319
And just so you know, you
were saying you thought the Tommy was

1250
01:18:49,359 --> 01:18:53,560
winning as we're doing us, I'm
looking this up on box Wreck going into

1251
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:58,000
the fourteenth round of their fifteen round
classic in the first fight in nineteen eighty

1252
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,279
one fight of the year. By
the way, you had Sugar Ray Leonard

1253
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:05,960
actually trailing on all three cards.
It was a fifteen rounder. So Tommy

1254
01:19:06,079 --> 01:19:11,520
was ahead one twenty five. I'm
sorry, yeah, yeah, Ray,

1255
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:15,039
Tommy Hearns was ahead one twenty five, one twenty two, one twenty five,

1256
01:19:15,119 --> 01:19:17,560
one one and one twenty four,
one twenty two on the three cards

1257
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,560
going to that last round. So
Ray got the knockout when he needed it,

1258
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:24,000
basically, And so you're right,
that's a great one. Give me

1259
01:19:24,079 --> 01:19:27,560
one more, give me one more
what if? For nostalgia purposes. So

1260
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,560
I've been doing the what if ones
I've done were things I covered because they've

1261
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,319
been in my mind. You've been
doing ones that I remember but are not

1262
01:19:32,399 --> 01:19:35,439
from my time as a boxing journalist. So another one that I have,

1263
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:40,560
which is from the timeframe that I
was had been writing about the sport again.

1264
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:44,960
I was there at Staples Center,
UH, December one, twenty eighteen.

1265
01:19:45,319 --> 01:19:49,760
This was Deontay Wilder as the WBC
heavyweight champion. You have the comebacking

1266
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:54,079
Tyson Fury, still the lineal champion, but having only had a couple of

1267
01:19:54,159 --> 01:19:58,479
like lesser fights after a sabbatical because
of his mental health problems and his drug

1268
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:01,399
and alcohol problems, and uh,
they came together to do this fight on

1269
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:05,479
Showtime pay per view. UH was
a big fight, and again, like

1270
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:09,800
the like with Marquez and Pakia,
was a real thrill to be and get

1271
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,720
a chance to not all four of
their fights, but to cover all three

1272
01:20:13,079 --> 01:20:16,279
of what became a great trilogy between
Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury, culminating with

1273
01:20:16,319 --> 01:20:18,840
the third fight, which is one
of the was not one of it's to

1274
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:23,479
me anyway, the greatest heavyweight championship
fight I've ever covered in every one I've

1275
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:26,119
done in my career, and it's
definitely on the list all time. But

1276
01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:30,079
anyway, in that fight, you
have a scenario where you got Deontay Wilder,

1277
01:20:30,079 --> 01:20:32,560
the big counchert Tyson Fury is out
boxing him as I've described a Fury,

1278
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,359
you know, out boxing for long
stretches. A lot of people thought

1279
01:20:35,359 --> 01:20:38,439
that he deserved to be the winner
of that fight. It turned out to

1280
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,800
be a split draw because one judge
gave it to Theory, one good judge

1281
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,640
gave it to Deontay. One judge
had it even. But Deontay Wilder scored

1282
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:47,359
two knockdowns. One was in the
ninth round, and obviously he wins that

1283
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:51,439
round ten to eight. But the
second knockdown came in the twelfth round.

1284
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:56,800
Was a gargantua one knockdown where he's
out and he ends up getting up like

1285
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:00,239
he's the undertaker as the joke.
He gets up like when it's about to

1286
01:21:00,279 --> 01:21:03,239
be out. Jack Reese is the
referee, one of the best referees in

1287
01:21:03,239 --> 01:21:08,399
boxing, uh and even still is
today. But a lot of people would

1288
01:21:08,399 --> 01:21:11,199
have stopped that fight. He was
out, He was on his back,

1289
01:21:11,319 --> 01:21:14,560
you know, eyes closed, who
knows what's going on? Uh? But

1290
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,640
Jack, again, similar to what
happened in that Joe Cortez example, I

1291
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:20,039
gave you with the Marquez getting knocked
down in the twelfth in the first round,

1292
01:21:20,119 --> 01:21:26,079
rather for three times against Manny Pacyah, Jack Reese let the fight continue

1293
01:21:26,119 --> 01:21:30,199
until you know, he gave him
the count, and Fury amazingly, shockingly,

1294
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,319
ridiculously ends up beating the count and
does a little dance, puts his

1295
01:21:34,399 --> 01:21:38,039
arms on him, did everything he
could have keep himself together, but gave

1296
01:21:38,199 --> 01:21:41,479
Jack enough that he was ready to
let him go. And not only did

1297
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:45,000
he let him go, but Tyson
Fury was still boxing very well and probably

1298
01:21:45,239 --> 01:21:48,520
other than the knockdown, you know, won the rest of the twelfth round

1299
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:53,000
amazingly and he was able to finish
the fight almost two minutes left. Right

1300
01:21:53,159 --> 01:21:57,479
there, he did exactly. The
crowd was roaring at Staples Center at him,

1301
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,880
firing back, boxing, moving and
firing back at Wilder, and Wilder

1302
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:04,760
just could not. It's not skilled
enough thing, not enough stamina to put

1303
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:09,840
him away. So what if is
what if? Like ninety nine percent of

1304
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:15,359
the referees in boxing wave that fight
off in round twelve, Fury's undefeated record

1305
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:19,880
is gone. Wilder becomes the lineal
champion and is still the WBC champion.

1306
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:24,319
After that kind of knockout, maybe
there would have been a rematch eventually,

1307
01:22:24,359 --> 01:22:27,880
but it wouldn't have been the demanded
rematch like if he came but so I'm

1308
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,000
not gonna sit here and tell you
it definitely would have been a rematch.

1309
01:22:30,199 --> 01:22:33,600
It certainly changes the trajectory of Furious
career because I believe if he gets knocked

1310
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:38,359
out in that fight, remember his
next fight, he had signed the co

1311
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:41,560
promotion with Top Rank. They brought
him to the United States, he fought

1312
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:45,439
on ESPN plus two times before they
did the rematch. They built him up

1313
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:49,159
big. He was still undefeated.
If he's got a knockout loss and is

1314
01:22:49,159 --> 01:22:53,399
no longer the champion, Top Rank's
probably not signing him, and Wilder's off

1315
01:22:53,399 --> 01:22:57,239
doing some other stuff. And so
I use that one, and it's sort

1316
01:22:57,239 --> 01:23:00,560
of a corollary of what if you
go jump ahead to this second fight that

1317
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,800
he did with Top Rank, which
was the auto whaling fight that took place

1318
01:23:03,039 --> 01:23:10,560
September twenty nineteen. What if Tony
Weeks stops that fight because his face is

1319
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,680
hanging off from the cut that he's
suffered, that wounded up needing like forty

1320
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,880
something stitches after the fight a thousand
doctors in boxing stopped that fight. The

1321
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,399
blood was ridiculous, right right,
and they ended up letting the fight go

1322
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:25,439
and Fury won the decision, but
certainly in a lot of places, that

1323
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:29,159
fight stopped right there, and once
again he's no longer lineal champion. He

1324
01:23:29,239 --> 01:23:31,359
loses his oh and out of whaling
he is the lineal champion of the world.

1325
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,600
I mean, what if they stopped
the fight? Because here what if?

1326
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:40,119
Begot another what if and probably several
more what ifs. So I just

1327
01:23:40,279 --> 01:23:44,880
love this shit, I can tell
uh. Listen, We've had a full

1328
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,720
show, a lot of great what
ifs. What if we leave it right

1329
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:51,319
there and we reconvene later in a
week. You like my segue, We

1330
01:23:51,359 --> 01:23:56,600
will reconvene later in a week.
I'm looking forward to that again. A

1331
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:01,199
nice job with Tim Zoo people by
Keith Thurman and the Amazon premiere Boxing Champions

1332
01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:04,000
pay per view that is coming at
the end of this month. We gave

1333
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:08,960
a great recap of knockout Chaos and
what's next for those guys. Other than

1334
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,439
that, Dan Rayfield have a great
week. We appreciate the time as always,

1335
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:15,000
and we've courage everybody to stay locked
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1336
01:24:15,039 --> 01:24:17,399
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anything else that's going on other than that.

1337
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:20,359
I think we're good. We are
good. Have you said a good

1338
01:24:20,359 --> 01:24:24,720
week? There's Dan Rayfield. I'm
merely TJ Reeves. You have been locked

1339
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,800
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