1 00:00:06,639 --> 00:00:12,160 Well off of a weekend that has seen Devin Haney look fantastic or you know, 2 00:00:12,439 --> 00:00:16,359 he was really good and Regi's program was just really bad again too in 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:21,079 combination. In any event, Handy gets the title at one and now has 4 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,679 a lot of very interesting options. We're ready to talk about that. We're 5 00:00:23,679 --> 00:00:30,920 ready to talk about Upset special. How about this Robisi Ramirez beaten upset Goodbye 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,880 featherweight Championship. We're ready to talk about that. We're ready to recap. 7 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,479 We got some news, we got some nostalgia. It is the Fight Freach 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:41,920 Unite Recap podcast Back from Atlanta. I am the somewhat capable host. I 9 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,240 spent the last thirty six to thirty eight hours in Atlanta, where my Buccaneers 10 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,159 have won dramatically in the NFL. But we're not here for that. I'm 11 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,759 in a good mood, but we're not here for that. Dan Rayfield is 12 00:00:51,799 --> 00:00:54,799 here. I'm merely TJ. Reeves. He is Dan Rayfield, our insider 13 00:00:55,119 --> 00:00:57,920 from his Fight Freaks to Night, Substack and Big Fight Weekend dot Com. 14 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,479 Hello, my friend, you are a report to me, breaking news to 15 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,760 me that you have been in a performance with your son. As we're getting 16 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,079 ready to tape this tonight. We've been all over the place, but we 17 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:08,959 were not going to miss out on recapping the fights. How are you. 18 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,719 I'm good. We're having massive rainstorms. Hopefully the power stays on what we 19 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,680 do the podcast. That's a good thing. And I have flown through some 20 00:01:17,719 --> 00:01:21,200 of that. That what they were getting in Atlanta and the whole line of 21 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,280 nasty weather. And let's just say, I've got a as we like to 22 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,799 say, I've got a strong constitution. Is that a uh? That's like 23 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,519 a sixties term, isn't it like a fifties and sixties term? That means 24 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:34,519 you got a strong stomach, a strong makeup. I've got a pretty good 25 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:38,879 constitution. I always have a little little issues when we were doing the oh 26 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,959 the roller coaster taking off and then we were having some issues in flight where 27 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,439 everybody had to sit down and the uh and the pilot on the charter aircraft 28 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:51,120 for the Buccaneers is like, everybody, buckle up, sit down, okay. 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,040 But anyway, we're we're gonna tell you what. By the way, 30 00:01:53,159 --> 00:01:57,920 yeah, been I've been flying for a long time covering boxing matches. Never 31 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:00,959 been a fan of air travel. You do it because It's part of the 32 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,840 job. So I've I've traveled, you know, who knows how many millions 33 00:02:04,879 --> 00:02:07,719 and miles on my day. One thing I learned, as much as I 34 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,599 hate that travel, if you're hitting the bumps, like you're talking about the 35 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,080 up and down, I always make sure I keep my eye on the flight 36 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,719 attendant because exactly cool. I'm cool. I agree. There was a one 37 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,520 time, a long time ago I remember seeing on the flight attends kind of 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,479 freak out and I almost shit my pants. Exactly. That's like the signal, 39 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,240 Hey, let's bring it back to boxing, shall we. It's kind 40 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,280 of like Regius Progray's corner long about the eighth round where they began to crap 41 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:35,680 their pants and go, what's wrong with you? Or are we going to 42 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:38,719 have to stop this? Anyway? We'll get into that fight and much more. 43 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,919 Reminder, however, you found us social media link Dan substack his newsletter 44 00:02:43,479 --> 00:02:46,319 through the email, follow or subscribe, rate us and review us we come 45 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,639 down the home stretch of twenty twenty three. Ratings and reviews do help with 46 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,639 the algorithms and people finding us. We again continue to rock along with audience. 47 00:02:54,680 --> 00:03:00,000 I know a lot of people are appreciative I was getting feedback social media 48 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:02,639 and otherwise that people are appreciative of the fact that we're here still previewing going 49 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,840 into the weekend, we recapping coming off the weekend. If you like that, 50 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,280 rate us and reviewers give us a five star review. That will help 51 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:13,319 us out. With all of that out of the way, let's begin with 52 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,759 Devin Haney. Where do you come down? I mean, he deserves a 53 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,120 lot of credit, but how much of yes, for sure? How much 54 00:03:17,159 --> 00:03:23,159 of this also is that Regi's Progray did all that talking, including to you 55 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:28,479 on the podcast, and just did not deliver on anything on cut the ring 56 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,000 off, change your tactics, throw a jab, do something, and Hani 57 00:03:32,039 --> 00:03:36,039 put on a clinic That's what I saw. Tell me what you saw out 58 00:03:36,039 --> 00:03:38,879 of the matchroom de own main event where Hani wins in a virtual shutout. 59 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,879 All right, listen, it was a situation where both things can be true 60 00:03:44,919 --> 00:03:47,560 at the same time. It can be yes, one thousand percent that Devin 61 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:53,319 Haney put on a master class, an absolutely brilliant performance, not a boring 62 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:54,840 performance. I mean, that wasn't obviously an action pack fight, but that 63 00:03:54,919 --> 00:04:00,280 was not Devon's fault. Devin had a lot of damaging punches Devin rock pro 64 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,560 race several times. He scored a knockdown in round number three, which to 65 00:04:04,599 --> 00:04:08,360 me was kind of like the end of the fight in many ways. So 66 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,759 and Devin never ran, Devin stood in the pocket, hit and don't be 67 00:04:11,879 --> 00:04:14,479 hit. I mean he did all that, and you can tell the copy 68 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:16,519 box that he had just watching the match. He actually looked as the man 69 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,800 moving up to another weight class. He actually looked bigger in the ring, 70 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:26,680 thicker, a little taller, maybe just bigger and stronger. And so yes, 71 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,560 you definitely give him credit for a great game plan from his father, 72 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:32,959 Bill Haney, who, as Devin talked about in the post fight, you 73 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,680 know, when he had Reis hurt, some guys would have gotten a reckless 74 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,040 and maybe jumped on to try to get the knock and you would like to 75 00:04:40,079 --> 00:04:44,480 see that a little bit. But he listens to Bill Haney's instructions, and 76 00:04:44,519 --> 00:04:46,839 Bill kept telling him, you know, stick to the game plan, and 77 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:50,560 so we would never let himself throw those extra two or three plushes to maybe 78 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:54,040 try to see if you again, that other I suspect he might have been 79 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,759 able to maybe get another knockdown. But I'm not gonna quit I mean, 80 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,079 I can't quarrel with perfection. I've seen a lot of big time fights that 81 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,879 were fights that were supposed to be somewhat competitive. Now, granted, Devin 82 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,639 was the favorite in this fight, but nonetheless, when I think of big 83 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:13,600 matchups where one guy just is a master and the other guy just doesn't really 84 00:05:13,639 --> 00:05:17,279 show up, I think about one of the classic examples, and I remember, 85 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,639 while having covered the fight, Winki Wright doing that kind of performance against 86 00:05:21,639 --> 00:05:27,959 Felix Tito Trinidad, sure dominating, one sided performance. I was there ringside 87 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:30,199 when Roy Jones did it against John Ruiz many years ago, and there's I 88 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,240 mean, we sat here and dissected all the top fighters. I'm sure we 89 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:38,959 could come up Floyd of course. How about we were there in Las Vegas 90 00:05:39,079 --> 00:05:44,839 in late July or Terrence Claw for just one side beat down of Errol Spence, 91 00:05:44,879 --> 00:05:46,800 and it was shocking is the word that I will use. I think 92 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,600 we were all shocked that it was that one sided. Now, this was 93 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:55,399 not a beatdown of that same type in terms of the power, the not 94 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,000 Londons, but still he dominated. I'm thinking of fights where lots of people 95 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,160 have opinions one way or the other that it can go either way, or 96 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:05,720 it's a close fight or whatever, and one guy doesn't just win, but 97 00:06:05,759 --> 00:06:09,879 wins in a mind boggling kind of manner. You know, people thought, 98 00:06:09,959 --> 00:06:13,800 sure, if Floyd could be corrals, nobody expected Floyd to score five knockdowns 99 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,720 and stop him in round ten. That's right. You know, people thought 100 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,319 Lomachenko was probably gonna beat Rigando. I don't think anybody thought he was gonna 101 00:06:19,319 --> 00:06:21,959 pummel him and make him quit after like five or six rounds. Now, 102 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,439 we can go on down the list to those subsplines, but that's what HAINI 103 00:06:25,519 --> 00:06:30,120 did. You know, Haney is putting together an outstanding resume. Keep in 104 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:31,439 mind, by the way, Devin Haney is only twenty five years old. 105 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,879 I mean, this is not an old, used up guy. This is 106 00:06:33,879 --> 00:06:38,079 not a guy that's taken a lot of damage in those thirty one wins that 107 00:06:38,079 --> 00:06:41,160 he has and zero losses. This is a guy who now on the resume, 108 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,480 has Regis program at one. In his first fight in the way class, 109 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:47,480 he has a win over the great future Hall of Fame three divisional world 110 00:06:47,519 --> 00:06:51,120 champion Des Lomachenko. Yes, I know some people thought Lomba won the fight, 111 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,879 but he didn't. I mean, Devin, it was a close fight. 112 00:06:54,879 --> 00:06:59,240 Devin got the nod fair enough. Two fights in Australia, virtual shoutouts 113 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,480 against Cambo's on the road Jojo Diaz win when Jojo just had the one loss 114 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:08,720 and it was you know, not that he was supposed to win Dias, 115 00:07:08,759 --> 00:07:12,360 but it was considered like a reasonable matchup, you know, Jorge Lnaris at 116 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,519 one thirty five where he was still a serviceable opponent. You know, Gamboa 117 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,720 also at one thirty five where you know, okay, maybe that was a 118 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,959 little bit mismatching he wanted, but that was like the first big name that 119 00:07:21,959 --> 00:07:26,600 Devin ever fought in his career. I'm like the point here that in a 120 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,519 row, those are all wins that this young man has put together. He 121 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,680 is a tremendous fighter. He's a pound for pound caliber guy. You know, 122 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,560 you can tell me where you want to have him, but he's certainly, 123 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,720 you know, in the top ten for sure. To me, it's 124 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,759 a matter of how high do you put him. And now, on the 125 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,279 flip side of what we were just talking about, so all credit to Devin, 126 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:46,480 any great performance cannot take anything away. Did what he said he was 127 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:49,360 going to do. And you know, I have nothing but the highest praise 128 00:07:49,399 --> 00:07:54,360 from my like devon, you know that. I think he's been kind of 129 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,959 He's been dissed by a lot of the fans because for reasons that were not 130 00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:05,279 his fault. He received the WBC lightweight title when lomon Chenko decided, and 131 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:07,560 that one accuse Lomachenko of ducking him, but he went and fought. I 132 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,199 gave up that title, accepted the franchise title, asked for the franchise title, 133 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,560 and went and fought a unification for a lot more money, a lot 134 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,279 easier fight to make against Tafim Lopez. So I don't say Loma ducked him, 135 00:08:18,439 --> 00:08:22,000 but the reality was that was the mandatory. He didn't fight Hani. 136 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:24,839 Okay, fine, Haini got the belt like a bazillion other fighters get belts 137 00:08:24,839 --> 00:08:28,399 when they when a guy doesn't fight the mandatory if they're an interim, So 138 00:08:28,439 --> 00:08:33,639 it happens on a regular basis. I've always thought it was unfair that people 139 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,720 derisively called him an email ship. I think that's a bullshit term. I 140 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:39,399 don't agree with it. I think it's absolute, you know, nonsense to 141 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,320 say that. So nothing but the highest respect for what Haini did, and 142 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,639 we'll get in when we're done with my counting of Regis's fight, we'll talk 143 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,879 about what can be next for Devin Hainey and a very rich weight division. 144 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:52,320 Well, it's not going to take long to talk about Regis's pride. He 145 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:58,159 didn't do anything but go ahead, Yes on the segway go ahead. Regious 146 00:08:58,159 --> 00:09:01,480 program looked terrible. I mean, there's no other way to put it. 147 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,639 And I look, I like Regis, and I have to say I will 148 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:05,440 give Redis credit for this. You know, when the fight was over, 149 00:09:07,159 --> 00:09:09,960 he you know, he did not make any excuses. He didn't talk about 150 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,639 I had an injury. He didn't talk about I had trouble making weight. 151 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:16,559 He didn't talk about how he woke up with an upset stomach, or his 152 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,279 wife, you know, was mad at him about something, or his kid 153 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:20,759 you know, you know, was throwing up. I mean, you know, 154 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:24,840 whatever it is, he did not make a single excuse. All he 155 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:26,879 did was, uh, you know, keep it real. One thing I've 156 00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:31,320 always liked about regis program is that, you know, when you ask him 157 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,240 a question in interview, I feel like he gives you an honest answer, 158 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,039 and he doesn't, you know, beat around the Bush and so I'm going 159 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,759 to give you the great quote that he gave in the interview he had with 160 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,320 Chris Mannix in the ring after the fight. This is one of many that 161 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,759 motherfucker is good. He's better than what I thought. I'm not gonna lie. 162 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:50,840 I mean, what else can you say. I'm gonna give him credit. 163 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:54,639 I'm gonna give Billy Bill had gifteen Hamy credit. I'm going to keep 164 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:56,399 the same energy. You know me, I'm still gonna keep the same energy 165 00:09:56,639 --> 00:10:00,240 with what I say. What I mean, I'm going to tell the true 166 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,399 Devin Hainey is better than what I thought. I'm not gonna lie he is. 167 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,720 He was just better than what I thought. He was. His feeder 168 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,840 fast, he's quicker than what I thought he was. I'm not gonna lie. 169 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:11,399 I couldn't see him to get him, that's all. He was quick. 170 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:16,240 I mean, he encapsulated the whole fight in one sound bite. That 171 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:20,840 was one of the most futile attempts in a fight that I've ever seen. 172 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,200 Now, we spent a lot of time, as others on their podcast and 173 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:28,519 boxing fans in general, talking about how terrible he looked when he fought Zaia 174 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,840 in his first one kids a few months ago, and I even asked him 175 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:33,519 on the podcast in my interview, I said, look, a lot of 176 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,399 people say, if you couldn't cut the ring off against Zaia, how the 177 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,399 heck are you gonna do it against a fighter that's far superior against a guy 178 00:10:39,799 --> 00:10:41,919 like Devin Hainey. And you know, Regis was like, ah, you 179 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:46,600 know, I had distractions with hometown situations because that fight was in New Orleans, 180 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:50,200 it was an off night. You know, this is different and he 181 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:52,559 you know, okay, and that's believable. But when when the bell rang 182 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,399 and he came out of the out of the know to make the match, 183 00:10:56,639 --> 00:10:58,559 make the fight, you could actually, as sick as it is, make 184 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:03,480 the argue they looked better against Area than he did against Regis program. So 185 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:07,039 we talked about copybox on this podcast sometimes, don't we, TJ. Yes 186 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,080 we do. So let me tell you a little story about these copy box 187 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,879 snummer because they're mind boggling. Now, let's flash back just a few weeks 188 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:16,519 ago. We had a lot of conversation about the Igno Mini of Edwin de 189 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:22,360 Los Santo's landing forty punches in that ship fight against your course, Stephenson fight 190 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:28,360 so that was at the time. The forty punches landed were the fewest punches 191 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:31,320 ever landed in a in a twelve round title fight, cracked by Copybox. 192 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,240 In thirty eight years in existence, they've done thousands of world title off I 193 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:39,080 don't know the exact number, but it's in the thousands. Who would have 194 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,320 thought that that. Less than a month later, you have Regius Progra going 195 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,399 there, a known offensive fighter, a tremendous left hand, likes to fight 196 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,679 on the front foot, likes to go after his guy, likes to be 197 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,759 aggressive, has scored a lot of knockouts, only had one loss come into 198 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:56,639 this fight, and that was a super close decision loss in a unification against 199 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,320 Josh Taylor a few years ago when they were both at the top of the 200 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,519 one hundred and forty pound division, battling it out to unify the numbers that 201 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,919 he put up in copy Box. Now, Devin, like I mentioned, 202 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,480 he didn't run. He was there. He fought well, defense and offense, 203 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,360 dropped him and turned him whatever he had, and he had normal type 204 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:18,399 copy Box detections. Landed thirty five percent of his punches you know through you 205 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,360 know, close to four hundred shots. I mean you know, sometimes lightweights 206 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:24,279 are a little busier than that, but nothing to complained about. Regius Progray 207 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:30,159 landed in twelve completed rounds, out of three hundred and thirty six punches thrown, 208 00:12:30,159 --> 00:12:33,240 he landed thirty six punches. That's ten percent. I can do basic 209 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:39,120 math, Okay, that is the fewest punches landed ever in the history of 210 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:41,200 a copy box title fight. He actually broke the record of De Loo Santos 211 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:46,399 and in fact, of twelve round fights period title fights or otherwise, it's 212 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,399 the sixth fewest. I actually checked into my pal Bob Kenobio from the copy 213 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,000 Box to find out what was the actual record, and on four different occasions 214 00:12:54,279 --> 00:12:58,120 there have been twelve round boxing matches tracked by Copybox where the one fighter landed 215 00:12:58,159 --> 00:13:01,879 in the fight four times twenty three punches. So this was close to the 216 00:13:01,919 --> 00:13:07,080 all time record. They didn't quite get it. It was just incredible he 217 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,080 landed. He landed five out of two hundred and fifty one jabs, that 218 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:16,960 is two percent, landed two punches in six out of the twelve rounds. 219 00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:20,399 He never landed more than five in any single round. So that's a combination 220 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:24,519 of great defense from Devin Haney, But I don't care. If you're Floyd 221 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,120 Mayweather, you're occasionally accidentally gonn to get hit with a jab. He didn't 222 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,159 even hit him by accident. I mean, so part of it was his 223 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,200 great defense from Haney, but part of it was just complete ineptitude on the 224 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:39,919 behalf of Preshville, right, and what I said, saving full in full 225 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,240 disclosure, I was watching the pay per view and watching on the big screen 226 00:13:43,279 --> 00:13:48,639 that I had in my room in Atlanta for the Buccaneer game again this weekend 227 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,440 in Atlanta. I would had the top rank show on the big screen, 228 00:13:50,799 --> 00:13:54,840 but I paid more attention even down the stretch of the fight. Is program 229 00:13:54,919 --> 00:13:58,759 going to get back in it with a big punch, And it almost seemed 230 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,200 like by the ninth or tenth round, maybe even by the eighth or the 231 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:03,840 ninth round, he realized this is done. I can't hit him, I 232 00:14:03,879 --> 00:14:07,879 can't catch up to him. It's not gonna happen. So all right, 233 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,240 so, uh, I mean, clearly, clearly he was all talk we 234 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,919 keep it real on the podcast. He was all talk about what he was 235 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:16,799 going to do, and he did none of it. That's the point. 236 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:20,600 That's the point. There a few minutes ago. I feel like when Devin 237 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:24,960 Heeney, he didn't just you know, it wasn't a flash knockdown where he 238 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,399 just got caught and he went down and whatever. I mean, he wasn't 239 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:31,440 down hard and he didn't stay down long, but he was definitely felt the 240 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,960 impact of the shot. Now, he said afterwards that that he gave Devin 241 00:14:37,039 --> 00:14:39,559 credit for being a better puncher than he thought. That he thought he was 242 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,240 more of a light, light puncher relative to his reputation and all that kind 243 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,360 of thing, but that again, it wasn't like he's got this big, 244 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,159 devastating one punch knockgout power, but has Regis made the point because Devin has 245 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,480 such fast hands, it's the punch that you don't see that has the most 246 00:14:54,559 --> 00:14:56,200 damage. And then he's right, because I can't tell you. Over the 247 00:14:56,279 --> 00:15:01,759 course of my career of covering boxing times I've heard, in some form or 248 00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:05,919 fashion a fighter say to me paraphrasing here, I'd rather get hit with a 249 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:09,399 big puncher by their best shot, but I can see, I know what's 250 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,759 coming. I see it coming. Then get caught by a fifty you know, 251 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:16,360 by a by a half assed punch by a guy that's not a big 252 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,600 punch, but I don't see it because that's what does the damage. The 253 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,639 right hand that Devin landed that knocked him down in three in the third round 254 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,200 was one of those kinds of punches where we just said he didn't see it, 255 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,600 but it definitely did damage. And by the way, there was another 256 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:31,039 time in the fight, I forget what around it was where he landed another 257 00:15:31,039 --> 00:15:33,320 I think it was a left hook, this time where he did like the 258 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,399 shaky leg you know, you know, gummy dance. For a quick second 259 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,720 there he was on the verge of going down again. I mean, so, 260 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,120 anybody that's gonna say that Devin Haney can't punch, you know, talk 261 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:45,519 to Regis program. And I mean again, I've said I'm slightly biased because 262 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:48,600 I sat like five feet from the ring in the corner near where I was 263 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:52,360 sitting when he knocked out Antonio Moran in absolutely devastating fashion, cold for the 264 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,320 knockout of the year back you know, like four years ago or something like 265 00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:58,759 that. So you know, he may not be you know, the murderous 266 00:15:58,799 --> 00:16:02,679 punch. Sure, i'llah like the Glofkin or somebody like that, or or 267 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,240 other big time punchers but but Devin Haney is you know, he can keep 268 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,799 you honest, and he stepped up to the play man. He got the 269 00:16:10,879 --> 00:16:12,320 job on. You know, he wrote to vacation. At his biggest moment 270 00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:17,440 of his career, he had his best performance. So that leads obviously to 271 00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:19,919 what we always ask, which is what is next? What's realistically next? 272 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,679 So Ryan Garcia is all over social media Saturday night immediately saying I would do 273 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:29,399 that fight next. Of course the talk has been Tea Fimo Lopez to unify. 274 00:16:29,639 --> 00:16:33,519 He's got one of the one hundred and forty pound titles Realism Meter from 275 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,279 Rayphiel. I always love this. Realistically, what do you think is next 276 00:16:37,559 --> 00:16:41,200 for Devin Hanne. That's a really good question. I really don't have the 277 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,480 answer now. If if Garcia and de la Hoye are true to what they're 278 00:16:45,519 --> 00:16:51,320 saying, then maybe they'll go to Devon's team. Now, Devin, I 279 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:57,039 believe you know he said this on our podcast. He has a fine relationship 280 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,960 with the people at Matt Troom that he heard who promoted him for quite a 281 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,440 while. He then was a free agent. He went and had a good 282 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,319 experience in his three fight run with top Rank and Lou de Bella. So 283 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:11,519 you know, I think he can do business with anything. But he made 284 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:12,920 the point to me that while yet that he's now a free agent again, 285 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,599 so he's gonna be out there if he wants to Again. Maybe I'm wrong, 286 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,079 but this is what Devin said to me, that he is no he 287 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:26,279 is no ties to any promoter contractually or broadcaster. So from his perspective, 288 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,640 that's a great position to be in because here's a guy that's you know, 289 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,759 just moved up to one forty a red hot division, won a world title, 290 00:17:32,799 --> 00:17:33,559 and now he's a free agent. You know, he's on the on 291 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,559 the verge of perhaps winning Fighter of the Year honors. I mean, so 292 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,279 there's a lot going for this this guy. So if you take a look 293 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:42,119 at who are the biggest fights, I mean, he's been calling out on 294 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:47,720 his social and staying and or I heard some stuff in the post fight from 295 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,200 Bill Haney, his father, you know who just was like, you know, 296 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,720 tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank, Like he's not gonna 297 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:55,920 he's basically a joke. He's like, you know, Joe would stop saying 298 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,039 tank. Davis's gonna have to hit me in the mouth. You know, 299 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,039 they want to fight Tank Davis, which I under stand because Tank is a 300 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,559 smaller guy. You know, he's a guy at one hundred and thirty five 301 00:18:03,559 --> 00:18:07,319 pounds who's got star power and got good power, but you know, still 302 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:11,000 hasn't fought the best of the lightweights. And so here you have a Devin 303 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:15,680 Haney that's a multi skilled fighter who's who's a larger guy. They would love 304 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,759 that fight. It's you know, would do good business obviously, so but 305 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,920 I don't think that's gonna happen because you know, until Tank tells his team, 306 00:18:23,319 --> 00:18:26,119 you know, I want to fight the best guys right now. Again, 307 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,160 I'm no quarra with Tank Davis, but he's fighting big fights but where 308 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,480 he's a huge favorite. He's gonna make a lot of money, and there's 309 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,759 nothing wrong with that, but he's not fighting the other guys that are ranked 310 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:41,880 at the top, like Haini fought Progray Hainey fought a unification with Cambosis, 311 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,319 he fought Lomachenko. You know, uh, but Tank hasn't been doing that. 312 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,319 I mean, you know, he did, you know, fine, 313 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,759 he fought to Ryan Garcia fight, but other than that, we haven't seen 314 00:18:51,839 --> 00:18:53,279 him take those steps to say I want that fight, So I don't think 315 00:18:53,319 --> 00:18:56,559 that will happen. I love it if it did, so maybe he will 316 00:18:56,599 --> 00:19:00,720 fight Ryan Garcia. Now Ryan said it on his social he's coming back to 317 00:19:00,759 --> 00:19:03,880 fight in March. I don't think we're gonna see Devin Haney back that quickly. 318 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,039 But that doesn't mean they couldn't fight a sect you know, later in 319 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,240 the year. And there's there's other guys. T Fimo Lopez is there, 320 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:14,920 but you know his he's in a in a in a little bit of a 321 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,519 no man's land at the moment, I mean top rank is. They wanted 322 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:22,920 him to fight on Saturday and in the in the ESPN card that Robes Ramirez 323 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,160 ended up occupying. If they had it would have been the Heisman Trophy cart 324 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,039 in New York City. He decided not to do that fight. They're making 325 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,400 moves to try to bring a h T Fimo back into the ring in February, 326 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,200 which is when he probably will fight. It's nothing definite. They've offered 327 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,640 the fight the Jose Ramirez, but he has turned it down. I am 328 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,720 told uh. But again, the Haini fight would not take place in February. 329 00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:47,640 That would be a pay per view fight. Obviously. Uh, So 330 00:19:47,759 --> 00:19:48,880 I don't have an answer for you, TJ in terms of like, who 331 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,920 do I actually think he's going to fight. I know one thing, based 332 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,440 on Devon's track record in recent fights, and based on what he said after 333 00:19:56,519 --> 00:19:59,759 the fight on Saturday, and and based on how deep the weight class is, 334 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,279 Uh, he's gonna he wants a big fight. The other thing is 335 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:06,359 he's not gonna have a mandatory that's due right away or anything like that, 336 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,720 because he just he didn't take the title from as a vacantible. He wanted 337 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,559 off a reigning champion whose mandatory was not yet due. So he's gonna have 338 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,920 the opportunity to pick and choose the type of opponent he wants. And by 339 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,920 the way, this is something else you got to throw in their DJ Hainey 340 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,720 has said that he and his dad will think about the possibility of perhaps in 341 00:20:22,759 --> 00:20:26,359 the next fight, fighting at welterweight to see how as he said, to 342 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,039 see where I fit in. So if he wants to go to welterweight, 343 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:33,039 that may open up another group of different places to me, But to me, 344 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,319 there's not a mega fight for him right now at welterweight. I mean 345 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,960 the bigger paydays would be to fight Lopez and certainly to fight Ryan Garcia, 346 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,720 and that seems to be much more realistic. That's the word that I used 347 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,279 when we first want a fight with Aaron Crawford at welterweight. What if? 348 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,440 What if most of our listeners could date a supermodel? I mean, I'm 349 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,640 but but that's not It's not an Outlandis kind of matchup. I think it's 350 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,880 I think it's a very intriguing matchup. But again, I again come back 351 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,839 to the realism meter, because as you said and others have said, Crawford's 352 00:21:03,839 --> 00:21:07,400 looking at the possible rematch with Spence looking less and less likely, but he 353 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,240 wants a mega pay day, maybe against Canelo Alvarez. I HAINI could fight 354 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,319 Tea Femo, you know, first quarter of next year, and it's a 355 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,480 significant enough fight that now the winner goes and fights Ryan Garcia in the fall. 356 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Call me crazy, call me logical, but that sets up great right 357 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:26,880 there at once. We'll see, we'll see. That's but I just don't 358 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:32,400 look, I agree with what you're saying. I would like to see those 359 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:37,440 types of matchups. I doubt that I'm not saying hany and Lopez won't happen. 360 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:41,519 I am a very strong believer that I will not next. I know 361 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:45,240 you well enough to use that phrase, probably because I believe that that Lopez 362 00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:48,680 is going to be back in the ring. If top rank is going to 363 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:51,519 get done what they are planning to get done, that he'll be in the 364 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:55,839 ring against you know, somebody good, hopefully in February ish, and and 365 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,599 then after that perhaps now there's there's you know, nobody calls up the name 366 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,960 Sabril Mattias. He's a champion at the IBF, He's a tremendous fighter. 367 00:22:06,279 --> 00:22:07,640 I don't know if he's going to go that route, not because he's scared 368 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:12,359 of anybody, but because Subril Matias doesn't have that kind of a star power, 369 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:17,240 that name recognition that can help carry a pay per view that Devin wants 370 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,480 at this stage. And you know, Devon's earned at this point that he 371 00:22:19,559 --> 00:22:22,759 can go try to make the biggest fights possible. So we can get t 372 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,000 F, if can get Ryan Garcied, can get Tank Davis, if if 373 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,799 there's an attractive fight in the in the welterweight division. You know who knows. 374 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,839 But I just know one thing, whatever his next fight's going to be, 375 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,160 he's gonna make a lot of money and it's going to do very well 376 00:22:36,519 --> 00:22:37,599 in terms of business. Look, I don't know what the pay per view 377 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,319 did on this on Saturday, but I know that they had sixteen thousand salad 378 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:44,880 out crowd at the Chase Center in San Francisco, which has never hosted a 379 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,440 boxing match before, and it was where Devon is from. And one of 380 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,599 the raps on Devin well he's not a draw. Well you can't use that 381 00:22:51,599 --> 00:22:53,200 anymore because he just did sixteen thousand people at the gate. And by the 382 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:59,359 way, reis because of the maget the fight obviously gets some of that credit. 383 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,559 But being that it was at where Devin is from and he still has 384 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:03,880 family there, His mom lives there, still a sister lives there. As 385 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,400 he was explaining on our podcast, you know, he gets more of the 386 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:11,279 of the credit for bringing that crowd in. So he is a draw. 387 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,720 I mean that gate was around two million dollars from what I was told that 388 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,160 that's pretty substantial for that type of crowd. Now comparatively, when Tank Davis 389 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,799 fought in Washington, d C. In January at the Capitol Wunt Center Arena, 390 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,160 you know, half an hour from my house where I went to that 391 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:29,000 fight. The gate was like five million dollars, but that's an anomaly. 392 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,240 Two millions. Pretty damn good for that kind of fight in a city that 393 00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:37,079 hasn't had a boxing event of any caliber since two thousand and one, when 394 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,920 Mayweather and Paco appeared on a double header on HBO together. Rest of that 395 00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:44,640 card and then we're going to move on to the ESPN Top Rank card, 396 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,200 and we also had a Sunday afternoon WBO cruiserweight title fight in the Boxer Promotion's 397 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:53,200 main events. We got plenty to still recap here from the undercard. Liam 398 00:23:53,279 --> 00:24:00,960 Parro victorious by ko Andy Cruz by ko Ebony Bridges upset in her women's world 399 00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:07,119 title fight. Anything else of substance stick out to you off the undercard? 400 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,400 What's stuck out? If anything? Considering it was the sixty dollars paper. 401 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:12,640 I was very disappointed with the under card. I thought the Paro Montana La 402 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,559 fight was terrible. You know, in the end, Paro picked it up 403 00:24:15,599 --> 00:24:18,400 and he did stop Montana. Love and credit to him. He keeps his 404 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,440 undefeated record. You know, Paro, I think the fight was bad, 405 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,839 not because of Para. I think his Montana Love is a fraud. I 406 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,519 mean, I'm just gonna say it, like, I think nothing against Montana 407 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:30,880 the person, just he's they built him up to be something he's absolutely not. 408 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,279 He's just a guy. I'm telling you. He's now had the disqualification. 409 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,680 He now got knocked out by by by a Paroh. You know, 410 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,519 he got a lot more hype than he deserved because he had a cool dog 411 00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:42,640 that he brought into the ring, not because he could really fight like a 412 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,599 champion. Okay, yeah, so I mean, I mean that may sound 413 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,960 harsh, but you know, and you know, maybe it is, but 414 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:52,119 just have a feeling on a Sunday night as we're tapingists. In the other 415 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,079 fight though, you know, Andy Cruz, they were gonna match himup with 416 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,799 Hector Tanahara, which was obviously a huge step up for a guy that's one 417 00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:00,359 to Oho. Hector got couldn't do the fight, so they put him in 418 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,160 with a journeyman named Giovanni's Staffron, who still has vastly experienced. He had 419 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,799 like thirty thirty five fights or something like that, thirty three fights and he 420 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,640 knocked on the secon round. He looked spectacular. I mean, Andy Cruz 421 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:15,000 to me. The question is not how good can he be as a pro. 422 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,319 It's gonna be is he gonna fight as a pro and attract fans in 423 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,920 a crowd. Where is he gonna stick with that amateur style that's been so 424 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,359 successful with the god him a gold medal, got him a whole bunch of 425 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,599 wins over Keishaan Davis. Or is he gonna learn to sit down on his 426 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:32,079 punches? I think I know the answer. I think he's gonna become more 427 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,200 of a pro as opposed to an amateur that turns pro. He's gonna start 428 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,880 fighting more like a pro. And I say that because he didn't decide to 429 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,880 go to the Cuban School of Boxing the United States to link up with a 430 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:47,240 Cuban trainer where to train in that sort of atmosphere. He didn't go to 431 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,400 Vegas, he didn't go to La This dude, he went to Philadelphia. 432 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,240 He'll fuck around in Philadelphia. He's in the gym with Bosey Nis. That's 433 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,039 Geron Ennis's father. They do real, real like hard spar you know their 434 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,279 Jim war is there. I mean, I'm saying that's not maybe the best 435 00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:07,319 for guys necessarily. Hopefully they keep it under control. But when you learn 436 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,119 and you you go pro in that atmosphere, you're gonna learn to lose those 437 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,319 amateur traits quickly, I believe. And he looked spectacular in the way he 438 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,640 knocked out uh, you know, a staff front on the other night. 439 00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:23,440 And so I'm hopeful that he'll develop into you know, from a great amateur 440 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,079 that won gold medals and was touch and move to a guy that will sit 441 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,359 down in this punches. He sure looked like a last night, and you 442 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,160 know, like the big rivalries him and Kishon Davis. They were on a 443 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,799 you know, Kishan and Eddie Hern got on a on a on a Instagram 444 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,559 live and Eddie was talking about how much respect he had for Kishan. But 445 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,160 you know what you you know, and non paraphrasing what he says, you 446 00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:47,200 don't want to fight Andy Cruz because you know here to be to you know 447 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:48,359 a billion times in the amateurs. Look what he's gonna do you as a 448 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,440 pro. And you know, Kishan's like, bring it on, let's do 449 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,519 it by the end of twenty twenty four. Absolutely, So that's something worth 450 00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:56,200 watching. But Cruz is an interesting prospect. They go either way. It's 451 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,039 got the amateur credentials just look goodness for his two prime prof fights. Uh, 452 00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:03,960 but you know the jury is out. And the other fight you mentioned, 453 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,599 the women's fight Abony Bridges, she lost a big upset to Amila Yoshida. 454 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,720 Who how could you not like that heartwarming story. Here's a woman that 455 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:15,359 fought on a on loud de Bella Broadway boxing card not that long, you 456 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,240 know, just like what six weeks ago? Four weeks yeah, so yeah 457 00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:22,000 it was. She fought November seven, so it was one month ago and 458 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:26,480 she lost somewhat, uh you know, not a great performance, but she 459 00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:29,799 lost the decision. And she comes back a month later and drops into this 460 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,599 fight when when the Bridge's original opponent, Avrol Matthew dropped that with an injury, 461 00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:34,759 she took it on short notice and she goes in and she wins the 462 00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:38,720 IBF Women's title. And she's a single mom. They kept showing her daughter 463 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,720 there in the in the in the sitting in the in the audience with you 464 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:45,519 know whoever was with her, and uh, you know, she calls I 465 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:48,240 forget what her nickname is. She goes to like the single the single mother 466 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,400 or something like that. So it wasn't a great fight, but it was 467 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,519 it was a heartwarming story. You got to be happy for the lady and 468 00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:59,720 uh, you know again something that those were the undercard fights, but I 469 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,359 didn't. There was nothing kind of spicy or sexy to meet me, not 470 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,119 I want to pay sixty perview worthy, not to say a perview worthy from 471 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,480 what we saw on that. So that leads us now to what was going 472 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:14,759 on all the way across the continent from San Francisco, all the way to 473 00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:18,680 Pembrooke Pines, Florida, again a northern suburb of Fort Lauderdale, Miami, 474 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:26,079 where again in a very festive, hostile, loud, smaller arena, the 475 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,400 ESPN Top Rank Show took place, and holy guacamole, we get an upset 476 00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:36,799 with Raphae l Espinoza, didn't you and I leave the bet Us show on 477 00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:41,839 Friday saying rightfully, so we don't know who this guy's really beaten, even 478 00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:45,839 though he's twenty one, and oh well we now know. And he put 479 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,160 on a tremendous performance in the back half of that fight, got a decision, 480 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,119 got a well deserved decision, and is now the new WBO featherweight champ. 481 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:59,759 What happened here to Robici Ramirez and all the plans because the plans are 482 00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:02,559 out the window. Dan Rayfield, in the top run not only put on 483 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,119 a great performance in the end of the fight, he also did a great 484 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,559 job in the beginning of the fight because he was up four rounds and nothing 485 00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:10,559 basically I think on two score cards and three to one on the other score 486 00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:12,880 card. And it was in the middle of the rounds, middle rounds where 487 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,759 Robasi Ramirez came back, you know, big time. The funny thing you 488 00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:19,000 just mentioned, you said going into the fight, he was twenty one to 489 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:22,000 oh. Suddenly two other wins popped up on his box trecks, so now 490 00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:26,519 he's twenty four to oh. Apparently, I mean they must have I don't 491 00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:30,480 know, I mean box they put up there if they get proof of the 492 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:34,599 fight. We I mean we brought this up briefly on our preview podcast and 493 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:40,799 again on the bet Us show. This was a twenty to one favorite situation 494 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,920 for Ramirez, absolutely supposed to win this fight, and yet here we go. 495 00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:47,279 This is why we won boxing, This is why we lost a two 496 00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:52,920 time gold medalist by by many people's views, including mine. Going into this 497 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:56,119 fight, he was the number one featherweight in the world. It's a hand 498 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,440 picked opponent. It's a guy who's been a professional for ten years, who 499 00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:06,039 in ten years until Saturday, had never fought anybody worth the shit at all 500 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,279 period, not even close six foot one against a guy five foot six. 501 00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:15,359 But the thought was, well, I mean, Ramirez, with all that 502 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,160 amateur experience, he's handled tall guys. He spoke about it. He'll look 503 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,440 at his last fight in Japan's against the the Olympian from Japan. Shamizu was 504 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,519 a big, tall guy. He destroyed him. So I didn't really think 505 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,240 much about that. But the other thing you failed to mention when we talked 506 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,839 about on the US show is who is this guy? I said multiple times, 507 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:37,640 just because he never fought anybody and doesn't have a big win doesn't mean 508 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,599 he's no good. We just don't know. Well now we know that he's 509 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,880 a very capable guy with a big heart. I mean, he said he 510 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,119 broke his foot in the second round. I'm just going to fight. He 511 00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:52,240 says he fractured his foot and again will wait for the full verification. Then 512 00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:55,960 he gets knocked down in what the fifth round. I'm watching both fights again 513 00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:59,359 and it makes it even more tremendous. What he did in the back half 514 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,599 of the fighting. What we know now about that about fractured foot and a 515 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,240 knockdown where he very easily could have said that you and I had the Ramirez 516 00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:11,680 knockout. We were looking good, babe. He got the knocked down, 517 00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:18,480 But then the second half of the fight happened and Ramirez flat out fought or 518 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,920 Espinosa flat out fought robes Se Ramirez. So let's go back to the knockdown 519 00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:29,359 Ramirez. His take is being taken to school by the way he's down probably 520 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,720 four rounds to nothing. Proven out at the end of the fight that he 521 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:36,160 wasn't fact down four rounds to nothing on two of the score cards, may 522 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,279 have even been the third. I'm not don't have the scuorecard right in front 523 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,519 of me. But here's the point. Though he was losing the fight and 524 00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:42,720 being kind of outclass in those first few rounds, and then out of nowhere 525 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,720 right at the end of round five, he caught him with a beautiful shot. 526 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:52,480 I mean he One thing that Tim Bradley made the comment about is that 527 00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:56,799 Espinosa, who was right handed, kept switching to lefty, and the danger 528 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,640 when you're a fighter and you switch dances is getting caught in between when you're 529 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:06,400 switching and being off balance and leaving yourself open when you switch to the other 530 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,079 side. And if the other fighter recognizes that. And Ramierrez is a very 531 00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:13,480 intelligent fighter from all that amateur experience he has, he you know, you 532 00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:15,440 can time a guy when he switches, and he did exactly that. So 533 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:19,680 when he switched, Ramirez dropped the right hook and bombed him on the chin 534 00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,240 and went on you know, he laid you know, he basically came to 535 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:24,000 rest with his head on the bottom ring rope and you're like, oh, 536 00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:30,119 this fight's over. He actually got to his feet and he then stumbled Trevor 537 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:35,240 Berbick esque, but instead of falling down because the nothing that was there to 538 00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:38,599 hold him up, he stumbled forward, you know, chest first into the 539 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,240 ring ropes kitty corner on the other side of the ring right. A lot 540 00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:45,920 of referees when they see that happen, if you if you stumble into the 541 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,200 ropes and are about to fall on your face, they immediately wave the fight 542 00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:52,480 off. And that if the referee had stopped the fight at that moment with 543 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,599 him flopping around into the ropes after getting dropped by a massive right hook. 544 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,960 No one would have said boo about the not the stoppage. I don't even 545 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,240 think that that Espinosa said anything the stoppage. But Christopher Young, who was 546 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:08,119 the referee, who was frankly a referee I'm not that familiar with, handled 547 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,279 it really well. He assessed the man. You can always stop the fight 548 00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:14,960 if you don't like what you see. But he didn't immediately wave his arms 549 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,039 when he fell into the ropes. He assessed him. There was only a 550 00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:21,680 couple of seconds left and around that the clapper had already hit. I'm sure 551 00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:27,279 he heard that, so he assessed him. And we now know, I'm 552 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:30,519 interrupting that the stumble is as much because he had busted his foot. He's 553 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:34,240 trying to get properly. Yeah, that was earlier in the fight. So 554 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,400 so the clapper hit, he got he got dropped, he got off, 555 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,119 he fell into the ropes. The referee did his job. He saw that 556 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,599 he was still, you know, okay to go, and he said let's 557 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,480 go, and then he waved him together and then the bell rang to end 558 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,279 the round, and he got the one minute rest period, and it did 559 00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:53,319 him wonders. Now, at that moment, Ramire you know, Ramirez then 560 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,279 launched his comeback because after being down, there was Ramirez who pretty much won 561 00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:01,039 most of those rounds from like six, you know, five, which was 562 00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:06,279 a ten eight round six seven eight, where he got back into the fight 563 00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:08,440 on the squarecards, and then again it flipped in the back half. As 564 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,920 you talk about. There were some back and forth. But here's the thing. 565 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,880 Fight on the table. Twelfth round. Mm hmm. Now, this 566 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,639 guy, by all rights, could have been knocked out in round five. 567 00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:22,800 He has his best round of the fight. In the last round he lands 568 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,960 forty eight punches out of like one hundred and twenty and just goes bananas with 569 00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:30,400 his punch out. But he ended up throwing almost like nine hundred and ninety 570 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,039 punches for the fight, almost a thousand punches. But in the tenth round 571 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:35,960 he was over one hundred punches in the in the twelfth round he was well 572 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,880 over one hundred punches. And you want to talk about don't leave it in 573 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,840 the hands, I mean he left it in the hands of the judges. 574 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,800 But give them no doubt that you got to give me round twelve, he 575 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,239 went out there and he kicked Ramirez his ass in round twelve and uh and 576 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,960 it was and he got a knocked down. You gotta knocked down in the 577 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:55,199 last round, and that was what sealed the fight because and it was dangerously 578 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,280 close to maybe a stoppage in the final seconds. We're back to the referee 579 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,039 again, who's very aware kind of Chavez. Taylor asked, we're in the 580 00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:07,119 final round. We're in the final seconds. But he knocked Ramirez sideways for 581 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,599 half a second there where you're thinking one more punch here, he might jump 582 00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:14,800 between them and it's a t ko forget the judges for Raffie l Espinoza. 583 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,800 Well, going into the last round, the corner of Espinola's both corners, 584 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,239 the audio that they captured on the ESPNN broadcast, both corners were selling and 585 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,360 telling them exactly right thing first of all, in terms of like the the 586 00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:30,239 uh the uh raw raw, like you know, bullet your heartstrings, like 587 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:32,639 you know, hype you up, you know, make you one of runs 588 00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:37,039 through a wall. You know. The corner in uh in In Espinosa's side 589 00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:39,360 of things was like, you know, we got one more round, Come 590 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,519 on, son, do you want to be champed or not? I mean 591 00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:44,960 he was really laying it on. You know, you're gonna be champion, 592 00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:46,360 like getting them pumped up. And in the other corner, you know, 593 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,800 Ishmael Salaz, who's a tremendous trainer that works with Robasi Ramirez, he was 594 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,760 telling him, look, he's gonna come and get you. He's gonna come 595 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,480 looking for you. You know. Uh, you know, he wants to 596 00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:58,440 do something special. Like he was making sure that Robasin knew don't take this 597 00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:02,239 twelfth round lightly because uh, he's gonna be going all out. And he 598 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,760 just couldn't contain uh or Espinosa. It was a spectacular performance on the twelfth 599 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,800 round and and he landed. I counted on the replay, I was, 600 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,920 I mean, I couldn't get the exact number. It was at least a 601 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,599 dozen punches, most of them landed, and he put him on his ass. 602 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,400 You know, he got to a knee. I mean, and this 603 00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:21,320 is when you know a guy's really hurt. Ramirez had to use the ropes 604 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,519 to help pull himself up. You know. It was Rocky was tired, 605 00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:29,760 so he's hurt himself up, you know, and uh he's on his feet 606 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,960 and there was so little time left that Espinosa is similar to what happened in 607 00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:35,639 round five, there was not any time for another punch to be thrown, 608 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,360 So the bell sounded, the fight ended, and now it goes in your 609 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,480 nail biting at the at the scores, and it turns out to be, 610 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,119 you know, a super close majority decision. But you know, he fucking 611 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:47,119 earned that win. Yes he did, and the right guy and the right 612 00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:52,960 guy got the decision. But there is some controversy and some fans just before 613 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,199 you get there, I don't think this is gonna be the fight of the 614 00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,840 year in terms of who actually wins, right you, when you start making 615 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,320 your list, it's going to be in the conversation of it to be. 616 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,880 It has to be. There was drama, there was action, both guys 617 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,519 down, both guys down in the fight. You have Espinosa revealing I may 618 00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:15,639 have fractured my foot. We're waiting for the confirmation on that. And fought 619 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,920 at least eight or nine rounds with an injured foot apparently, and it and 620 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,400 it did not detur him from winning. I agree with you, it's in 621 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,599 the in the last second of the fight determined the outcome. That's a very 622 00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:30,119 much so. But the thing about Robsi Ramirez, though, what I was 623 00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:32,079 going to say is I've watched every single one of his professional fights. I 624 00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:36,679 remember being at one of his fights in Vegas and he, you know, 625 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:42,400 he he fought like the like the stereotypical Cuban fighter where he just you know, 626 00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:44,760 he half asked it. He knew he had a guy over match. 627 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,719 He never stepped on the gas. He was content to, as they say, 628 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,840 play with his food and just wouldn't take a step forward. And it 629 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,440 was a very very negative performance. And he had a couple of those, 630 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,840 but he's now had some performances like this where you can go and get the 631 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,159 man and knock him out, like he did with Shimizu in Japan. Obviously 632 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,360 it didn't work out for him in this fight, but he was had no 633 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,239 problem you know, going uh uh, you know, close quarters toe to 634 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,559 toe with Espinosa, so you know he can run hot or cold than that 635 00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:12,440 restack. But you know, my tip of the hat for Amire is, 636 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,159 you know, he probably should have had to knockout him round five, and 637 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,440 he, you know, he didn't get discouraged and it was a tremendous battle. 638 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,239 And listen, at the end of the day, how do you not 639 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,039 be happy for a guy like uh Espinosa, you know, as when they 640 00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:27,320 say he's uh it took ten years to become an overnight sensation. And by 641 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,440 the way I was talking to I was talking to people at Top Rank on 642 00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:34,880 Sunday and uh, there there's and both fighters talked about it in the post 643 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,079 fight. I think there's there's a very good chance there's gonna be an immediate 644 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,159 rematch, not because there's a rematch clause. Hot Rank doesn't do that too 645 00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:43,199 often. As the one of the people said to me, you know, 646 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,639 we do rematches when they make sense, and this makes sense. And Aspinosa 647 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:51,000 said, I will give him a rematch for what it's worth. He gave 648 00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:53,159 him the opportunity, all right. So several people brought this up at the 649 00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:57,519 time on social media. A couple of people have contacted US et cetera and 650 00:38:57,639 --> 00:39:01,320 said, will you address the delay in reading the scores. So just in 651 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:07,599 the chronology again, the pro Gray Hainy fight was ending, the post fight 652 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,760 they were almost ending at the same time the post fight was going on. 653 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,239 There was not much drama there and a shutout win for Hani. This fight's 654 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,960 ending with the crazy drama in the twelfth round that has maybe now won the 655 00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:24,679 decision for Espinoza. So ESPN is showing the main broadcast post Heisman Trophy, 656 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,159 and they do what they have typically done, which is say we're going to 657 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,679 take a quick commercial break and come back and read the decision while the tabulation 658 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:37,599 is going on. So that took about three to four minutes for the end 659 00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:38,840 of the fight. Go to the break, come back from the break, 660 00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:44,559 the fighters are still walking around. There's no cards. I went back and 661 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,360 looked on because you can go back on the on demand, and look, 662 00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:51,000 we're now to the six minute mark, the seven minute mark, and finally 663 00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:54,679 Joe Tessitur brings up we've got a delay. Apparently the commission and the WBO 664 00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:59,440 are going over the scorecards. This is where people immediately start to go, 665 00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:01,719 what the heck going on here? I mean, I'm not saying that there 666 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,159 was anything nefarious, but this is where you get people suspicions up. And 667 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,320 then it went for another couple of minutes where they were obviously tabulating a close 668 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,039 score on two of the cards. And I'm saying this, you said it 669 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:17,800 earlier, the right guy won, but this is this is where people's antenna 670 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,840 go up. When it took that long to get the decision. Read. 671 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,960 So there we've addressed it. Do you have anything else to add to that? 672 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:30,800 Because it did take a while much ado about nothing. You're quoting Shakespeare 673 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:36,480 night on the podcasts. It's share. Uh So the right guy does get 674 00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:38,440 the win and in and in the case of two of the cards, that 675 00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:42,639 was the difference. He was up enough on the third card that the ten 676 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,800 eight round only added to it. He was tied on one card the ten 677 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,000 eight rounds a two point win, and I believe the other card he was 678 00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:52,239 up by one and one by one. It was one thirteen, one thirteen 679 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:57,239 correct, one fourteen, one to twelve and favorite espos and one fifteen one 680 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,280 eleven in the favorite espos. Those were we we've numerous times on this so 681 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,679 down so on that calculation. Down one on one card he wins, going 682 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,039 on and down two on another card. It ends up a draw with the 683 00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:12,679 ten eight round for us minos. Oh yeah, with the day exactly. 684 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,599 So what I was gonna say, though, is we talk a lot on 685 00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:16,960 the podcast, or I do anyway, but what are the range of acceptable 686 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,519 scores? And this this these three judges turned in what I felt like is 687 00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:24,199 the range of acceptable scores. Now, I knew the result. I didn't 688 00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:29,599 have a chance to watch it alive because I'm watching Hainey and program. I 689 00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:32,039 knew the result of the fight. But I did go back in my earlier 690 00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:37,440 day on Sunday because I still wrote a piece about it from my substack newsletter, 691 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,639 which you can go read right now. Please do and subscribe. Uh 692 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,280 And I wrote about it, but I'm not gonna write the story before I 693 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,960 watched the fight. What, first of all, terrific fight. I felt 694 00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:50,239 like, you know what, those score cards are are pretty good. I 695 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,559 have no problem with that. I thought that Russell the card one fourteen, 696 00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:59,079 one twelve seemed pretty fair. That seemed quite reasonable. But a draw or 697 00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:01,000 a little bit wider for Espinoza, you're giving a little bit more credit for 698 00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:04,840 maybe some of those early rounds. I had no problem with that. But 699 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,840 it was a It was a great fight. They both showed tremendous sportsmanship afterwards. 700 00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:12,360 They both are very likable type of characters. Uh. You know, 701 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,960 watching my man Mark Kriegle's interview with Tramirez talking about his uh you know, 702 00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:20,079 his daughter that he had to lead behind in Cuba and leaving his parents behind, 703 00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:22,400 and you know his father's had some sickness and hasn't able to see them. 704 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,519 I mean, you know, it's emotional stuff for a lot of the 705 00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:28,960 Cubans who defend to they're not get a chance to see uh, you know, 706 00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:34,159 wives or or children or parents. It's hard. So you know, 707 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:37,559 if you are not moved by his story, you know you're a heartless person 708 00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:40,639 number one. Uh. And if you're not moved by the drama of that 709 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:47,639 fight, plus the the never say die attitude of of what Raphael Espinoza was 710 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,800 dealing with in that fight, I mean, that's why we watched the show. 711 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,719 I mean, that's why you watched the boxing match just for that reason. 712 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,960 I mean, you know, he Fernando Beltron from Zanford Promotions, who's 713 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,599 done a tremendous amount of business with Top Rank over the years. He's the 714 00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:04,239 promoter of Raphael Espinoza, and he was standing with him in the interview where 715 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,280 they had their arms around each other, and he said, you know that 716 00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:08,920 this is Espinoza talking through the interpreter, which was Bernardo Souno, who does 717 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:14,480 a great job translating the interviews on ESPN when he's interviewing the guys talking about 718 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,719 how when Fernando Beltro called him and said, you know you're fighting for a 719 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,719 world title. You know, he's like, he started to cry, Yeah, 720 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,719 ran my daughter for a kiss and made his dream come true. He's 721 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,920 like, I'm gonna win the title. And he went out and you know 722 00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:29,440 he did it. God bless him all right, rest of that card real 723 00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:34,079 quick as we move along on the recap here, including Xander Ziez looked very 724 00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:38,400 impressive, including with the body work to get his knockout. Other thoughts, 725 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:43,119 other other thoughts on what you saw out of the top rank show for a 726 00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:45,639 long time when Xander was coming up, I know he was very young, 727 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,280 seventeen eighteen nineteen. You know, you're not sure if it could go either 728 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,679 way. Is he gonna be is he gonna completely flame out? Is he 729 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,079 going to develop into something? You know, we just didn't know they were 730 00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:57,199 matching him. He was winning sometime, he looked great some and then he 731 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,719 looked just very average, and you just don't know. I now believe after 732 00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:05,719 seeing his recent fights this year in particular where he stepped up to a better 733 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,559 level of opposition, that you know, I'm not saying he's going to be 734 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,920 like the pound for pound guy here. He's going to be a Hall of 735 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,360 Famer. But Xander's eyes is going to be in the conversation for some major 736 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,960 fights and title fights and against top guys, you know, for the next 737 00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:22,119 several years. This is a guy that's getting better. His opponent, Joy 738 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,800 Fartia was not exactly a bum by any means. Very solid fighter, real 739 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,519 legit pro, and he destroyed him. He worked the body, he looked 740 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:34,039 strong. You know, he's twenty one years old. Now, this is 741 00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:37,440 a different physical man than he was when he was a seventeen year old boy 742 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,280 when he turned professional. He's got a great attitude. He works his ass 743 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,159 off. You know, if you listen to the podcast interview I had with 744 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,960 him that we played a couple episodes ago. I asked him about being seventeen 745 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,159 and being a professional boxer, not hanging out with your friends, not going 746 00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:53,079 to the school dance, not going out you know with the fellas, not 747 00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:55,440 doing this, not going to the concert, just not going out here. 748 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,639 And he's like, you know what, I never had it, so I 749 00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:00,440 don't miss it. And when i'm you know, later on, when I'm 750 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,159 more satisfied in my career, I can kick back with my family and friends 751 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,280 and have the money and do those types of things. But he missed out 752 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,280 out his childhood and it's paying off because he's becoming a very top pro. 753 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,639 And by the way, this is a situation now that this fight is in 754 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,800 the bank and he got to win no injuries and had a spectacular knockout. 755 00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:23,000 Two body shots knocked him on in the round five round one. With the 756 00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:28,639 first knockdown, his next fight was already signed going into this fight. He 757 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,559 just had to make sure he won and came out with no injury. So 758 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,840 he's now set up to open up what I think is going to be a 759 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,360 much bigger year in twenty twenty four because they're going to have him fighting at 760 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,000 higher level fights. I suspect, by the way, that by the time 761 00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:45,000 next year ends wouldn't in any way shock me at all if we saw for 762 00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:47,920 the first time Xanders Eyes in a main event. But in the meantime, 763 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,440 he will be back February sixteenth. He will fight at the Madison Square Guard 764 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,719 Theater where there'll be a lot of Puerto Rican fans. As he even said 765 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,480 when he made the comment about it, you know, I'm going back home 766 00:45:57,599 --> 00:45:59,920 to MSG, you know, because he's spot there a few times, right, 767 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:01,599 he will be in the co feature on that night. The main event 768 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:07,239 we've talked about Oshaki Foster. His his first fight was announced as the first 769 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,079 fight with top Rank, which will be a second defense of the WBC one 770 00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:14,159 hundred and thirty pounds world title. He'll defend against Abraham Nova, my Albani 771 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,159 brother. That's the main event, and in the co feature will be Xanders 772 00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:21,280 Ayas and he's stepping up, he said in our interview, and he mentioned 773 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,559 this name. He wants to fight, you know, contenders, former champions, 774 00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:30,079 but you know name opponents on the rise. He's gonna fight the former 775 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,440 WBO Junior middleway champion, Patrick Decida, you know, who's got a great 776 00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:37,880 record and has fought a lot of good quality guys, fought Carlos Damas, 777 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:42,440 fought some others, and that's a you know for Lexander at this stage of 778 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,199 his career. You know, De Sita may not be on the top of 779 00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:46,679 the food chain anymore at one fifty four, but he's still you know, 780 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,519 a solid opponent for a young man like that to fight. So that's the 781 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,599 that's the co feature. So I think that's a reasonable test for this guy 782 00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:55,000 at this stage to open up next year. So he had a great win 783 00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:59,119 and on the under a card. Besides him, he has some great performances. 784 00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:01,920 Bruce Shoeshoe carry in the Brooklyn featherweight Love People, Love People. He 785 00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:07,679 looked great second round knockout against a former title challenger who went the distance in 786 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,719 a tough fight against Oscar Valdez and a featherweight world title fight, and Shoeshoe 787 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,800 just blitzed them, completely annihilated him. You know, you cannot, uh, 788 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,559 there's it was a flawless performance. I mean there's I know that the 789 00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:22,519 fighters and the trainers will always find, you know, things that they want 790 00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:24,559 to work on, but I'd be hard pressed to give you something specific from 791 00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:27,920 that fight where you're like, well, he needs to work on this or 792 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,159 he needs to work on that. He's now ten and zero. That was 793 00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:34,199 his first schedule ten he only needed two. And you know he's another young, 794 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,360 top ranked prospect to keep an eye on. And prior to that fight, 795 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,440 Richard Torres Junior, the heavyweight who's been killing everybody in the first couple 796 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,320 of rounds. He was in his first scheduled eight round fight and the match 797 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:52,119 him somewhat aggressively. I mean, not super aggressively. But Curtis Harper is 798 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,119 a reputable journeyman who's uh, you know, he's he's His record is terrible, 799 00:47:57,159 --> 00:47:59,199 but he's been in the ring with a lot of quality guys. He's 800 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,960 given around those. He's tough as nails. You know, he shouldn't be 801 00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:06,119 just remembered for walking out of the ring against a jagua. So when that 802 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:07,400 fight was me we talked about on the bet Us show. Somebody asked me, 803 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,599 I need to get back early. I said, I think this fight's 804 00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,320 going a long way. It's not gonna be a one or two round, 805 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,719 you know, smackout for Torres. And sure enough, Curtis Harper lasted into 806 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,679 round eight of the eight rounder, and eventually Torres, with the blood coming 807 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,639 down his face from a cut in the same exact spot where we had a 808 00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:27,719 previous cut I think from a headbutt, he got the knockout and finished a 809 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,199 really nice closing flurry. So Torres is coming along good win with a nice 810 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:35,280 knockout. Shoosher looks tremendous with that knockout. Xander's eyes is really picking up 811 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,400 the pace. He got a knockout against a good, solid opponent and then 812 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,960 we had just a barn burner and drama and upset special in the main event. 813 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,039 That's a good show and it didn't cost sixty bucks. By the way, 814 00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:47,880 it did not, and I liked it for that reason too. Got 815 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,679 to see it as well. Live good recaps on all of that, and 816 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,079 let's not leave out because it deserves it. On Sunday afternoon, and full 817 00:48:57,159 --> 00:49:00,440 disclosure here again, I've been working in the NFL all Sunday out afternoon, 818 00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:04,360 have flown back Sunday night. I have not seen this, but I've read 819 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,159 the recaps. I've seen a highlight of the shot that Chris Billim Smith landed 820 00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:13,639 on Mosternoch, the Polish challenger to his WBO Cruiserweight Championship. He gets the 821 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,880 knockout, he landed a shot to the ribs and right after the bell rang 822 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,960 to start round eight, Monster Dot could not continue. All right, So 823 00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:24,159 let's recap this a little further, whatever else you'd like to say, because 824 00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:28,239 Billim Smith, like you like to say, keeps the change moving. He 825 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,360 defends his title, gets a good payday in front of the home fans, 826 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,480 gets a ko win. You take all of that on a Sunday. Yeah, 827 00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:37,280 I thought this was a pretty solid that's going in. I know Masterneck 828 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:42,760 is not exactly the household name of anybody that will be watching that fight in 829 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,679 the UK, but he's a reputable challenger, been around a long time seventeen 830 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:51,039 years, had fought some good quality opponents, only been you know, hadn't 831 00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:53,440 been stopped in quite a while. When he did get stopped, you know, 832 00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:58,360 it was way way long ago. But when he fought other probably the 833 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,480 best opponents of his career, as like Tony Bell. You that was one 834 00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:07,039 opponent that he went to distance with. He fought Joni Oldridekos who was a 835 00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:10,559 tremendous puncher who was a former Cruiserweight Unified champion the distance with him. So 836 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,400 I think as we talked about, I figured this fight's going along way. 837 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,559 Bill Smith's not known for being some murderous puncher, you know, big heart 838 00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:20,800 and you know, likes to mix it up, but not not a huge 839 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,480 puncher. But he stopped a lot of guys. But now he's nineteen and 840 00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:25,400 one with thirteen knockouts, and I think you actually can look at the if 841 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,960 you look at his overall record, this is probably one of his best wins. 842 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,079 I mean, he obviously he won the title against the undefeated Larrence o'colly, 843 00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:36,119 But I think this is probably his next best victory. Besides that, 844 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,480 he was down on two score cards going to that seventh round. I guess, 845 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,599 I guess the eighth round because it ended at two seconds into the round, 846 00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:45,639 but he hit him with a with a nice shot that obviously caused some 847 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,920 kind of rib injury, and Masternek decided that he was unable to continue. 848 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,840 A rib injury is brutal, you you know, you just you can't breathe 849 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,280 much less to move around a rim. So I can't get on his case 850 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,000 about that. You know, Bill and Smith had a cut over his eye, 851 00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:00,639 and you know he was in trouble fights going along. He's in in 852 00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:04,440 front of his hometown, but they love him there. He got to win. 853 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,719 He you know, landed the shot that did the damage. And now 854 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,000 you know, it opens up some bigger opportunities for him this year because there's 855 00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:14,559 been a lot of conversation from the folks a boxer about him eventually fighting Richard 856 00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:17,639 Riacapore, who was also a quality contender. That's with boxer as well, 857 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,960 potentially a rematch with Lawrence o' clolly, which I don't I can't get too 858 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:28,519 excited about that. But the point is BILLM. Smith is He's a fun 859 00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:30,000 fighter to watch. He's got a good story, he's got great fans, 860 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,360 and I'm thrilled that here in the United States we can watch these shows on 861 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,840 Peacock. When I was I was as I was out for much of the 862 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,440 afternoon uh NVOB was something with my son. But when I came home before 863 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,679 we did the show, I popped onto the on demand on my Peacock app 864 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,320 and I was able to watch you know, a large chunk of that fight, 865 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,199 including the way that it ended, and what a pleasure. I mean 866 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:52,760 we talked to that as far back in the day. You know, I'd 867 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,119 have to I'd like wait like six weeks. And I used to trade VHS 868 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,239 cassettes with somebody in the UK to see what he got right. I would. 869 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:05,639 I would send them the videos in NTSC format, which was our format, 870 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,480 but they could play them on their machine in the UK, and my 871 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,760 trading partner he was able to convert them from the pa L system to the 872 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,280 NTSC system so I could watch them on my VCR and this gave me a 873 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,719 lot of initials. It was painstaking and it took weeks, correct, you 874 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,039 really had to be dedicated. Now I'm out for the afternoon. I'm watching 875 00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:28,360 you know, I'm doing an activity with my wife and son, and I 876 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,239 come home and I sit down on my at my office desk. I go 877 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,599 on the Peacock app. I could have done it on my phone, I 878 00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:36,239 could have done it on my television. I ad opted for the office. 879 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,360 I popped open the app. I fast forward to the beginning of the fight 880 00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:43,360 on like a four hour show. It took me like four seconds and boom, 881 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,960 I'm watching the fight. So it's amazing. It so blows my mind 882 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,239 that I can do that, and I was being able to do that, 883 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,960 you know, half an hour before we're gonna get on this podcast and talk 884 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,719 about it and go watch some you know, random cruiserweight title fight from England 885 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,400 between Chris Bill and Smith and Mattheus Masterneck and be able to have a cojin 886 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,480 discussion with you about it, you know, forty five minutes later. Very 887 00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:06,559 cogent and a good win for Bill. Like that, I do like all 888 00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:08,360 the words of the vocabulary. We're rocking. We're rocking here tonight, all 889 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:14,119 right, some news and some nostalgia and then we're done, so showtime we'll 890 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,760 close things out and full disclosure. Will talk much more in the preview mode 891 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,360 later in the week of the final showtime PBC card to be headlined by David 892 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:27,239 Morrell, but they're expanding the card, so real quick, what else is 893 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,639 on this for Minneapolis coming up? So they announced the three fight show. 894 00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:34,400 We all knew that they had actually put up the fights on their pay per 895 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:39,199 view broadcast of David Benavide's against Demetris Andre, and then they never sent down 896 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,039 like the lead release, which was kind of unusual. They usually would announce 897 00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:45,559 a card on a Saturday pay per view and like Monday morning or maybe Tuesday 898 00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:49,239 morning, you'd get the full release with some quotes from the guys and all 899 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,400 the particulars and you know, ticket prices and the whole thing. But that 900 00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:53,800 didn't happen. I was sort of confused, and now I can I guess 901 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,119 why. The reason because besides the David Morrell fight against senneg that going, 902 00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:02,840 besides the KOFE between Chris Cobra and Jose Bealenzuela in their lightweight rematch, and 903 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,280 the title defense of the WBC flyweight champion Julio Caesar Martinez against Angelino Cordova, 904 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,679 which was the original triple hader. They have added, Okay, are you 905 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,719 ready for this? I'll just can tell you this. I know what's coming. 906 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:21,719 I know what's coming. On twenty twelve called they're looking for some help. 907 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:28,920 They're doing a rematch between forty year old former champions Andre Berto and Robert 908 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,159 Guerrero, which when they fought the first time, by the way, in 909 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:37,400 two thousand and twelve, I believe it was yeah, twenty twelve, November 910 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:42,480 twenty twelve, and Guerrero won a unanimous decision, dropped andre Berto twice. 911 00:54:43,159 --> 00:54:46,000 This was a WBC interim Welterwave title fight. So that's how many years ago 912 00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:50,599 you can do some basic math. Eleven years ago. They're doing a rematch 913 00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:53,280 for what particular reason. I have no idea. Was there a faction clamoring 914 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:59,199 for this that we're unaware of. I think the clamoring was andre Berto wanted 915 00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,559 a rematch, and Berta and Guerrero wanted to fight. And actually, I'm 916 00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:05,599 gonna tell you a funny thing. I don't know, maybe like a year 917 00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:07,920 ago, maybe nine months ago, whatever it was, you know, I 918 00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:12,159 messaged Andre berdo well, I've covered his entire career. He's a good dude. 919 00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:15,480 I've known him for since he turned professional. Covered you know all of 920 00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:19,480 his big fights against Victor Ortiz, against Mayweather, you know plenty of his 921 00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:22,360 fights. I was ringside for good dude, and I was like, you 922 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,920 know, and I saw a video of my guests on one of his social 923 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,519 media's and I actually was I was like, I hadn't heard about andre in 924 00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:30,039 a while. I was like, are you retired? So I asked him, 925 00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:32,400 I said, you know, Andrea, I saw your training video. 926 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,039 Are you are you training for a fighter? I thought maybe you had retired? 927 00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:37,000 What's up? And he was like kind of like, not in a 928 00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:39,159 negative way. He's like, no, I'm not retired. I'm I'm getting 929 00:55:39,159 --> 00:55:42,639 ready to make the comeback. Now. I know COVID knocked him off like 930 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,639 a lot of guys, but andre Berto hasn't fought since he went won in 931 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:52,159 twenty eighteen against Devin Alexander, so now he's coming back off that long layoff. 932 00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:54,280 Now, Guerrero, he's a guy that has been around. These are 933 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:59,239 both former Floyd Mayweather opponents who Floyd be at the end of his career, 934 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,000 at least with Guerrero, he fought in twenty twenty one after a two year 935 00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:07,519 laugh, and he came back in another one of these Hey twenty twelve called 936 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,679 he had a fight against Victor Ortiz that he eked out a victory in uh, 937 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,199 you know, two years ago. So for what reason they're doing this? 938 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,760 I have no idea, but hey, is there any concern in all 939 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:22,039 seriousness that the Minnesota Commission, et cetera is going to say, wait a 940 00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:24,039 minute, what are we doing? Or no? I mean, g Guerrero 941 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,840 just fought, not that you know, relatively speaking, he fought in twenty 942 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,280 twenty one, but Berto hasn't fought in five years. It's forty years old. 943 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,639 It's a legitimate point that Guerrero's forty years old. Also, I mean, 944 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,519 where where I would have concern is if if Berto or Guerrero were coming 945 00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:40,960 back at forty and being matched with an up and coming home at twenty two 946 00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:45,800 years right, that's the point at least they're fighting a similarly aged and experienced 947 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,079 person to the fact they fought each other, you know, eleven years ago, 948 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,920 and now they're doing it again. They both I haven't seen Guerrero, 949 00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:55,880 but I watched some of the training stuff that Andre put up on his h 950 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,599 his social media, and I mean, I'm Berto always was in tremendous condition. 951 00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:06,480 He looks like he's in great shape. And so the final showtime will 952 00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:10,079 start off with a blast from the past kind of rematch, which from an 953 00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:14,199 entertainment point of view might actually be kind of fun, I suppose, and 954 00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,559 then they'll get into the other fights on the show. But it was just 955 00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:21,159 a weird kind of thing. I mean, they had announced it, Berto 956 00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:22,119 had said something a while ago, and then it didn't happen, and now 957 00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:25,800 it's happening. I think what it really comes down to is that, you 958 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,400 know, Al Hayman has his favorites. Berto's always been a guy that he 959 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,039 looked out for. Guerrero is one of those guys he looked out for. 960 00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:36,480 Also, he gave them both Mayweather fights, and now he's given them, 961 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:38,840 you know, a bouquet, a nice little Christmas bonus if you will. 962 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,920 They're not making a lot of money for this kind of fight, but they 963 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,639 are hungry to get in the ring, and you know, it is what 964 00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:46,000 it is. I'll enjoy it. I mean, I covered both these guys 965 00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:49,840 a long time, and I don't think it means a whole lot, but 966 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,559 we'll say, you know, made the best man win. Berto said in 967 00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:54,679 his comments, you know this fight's been nagging at him since he lost, 968 00:57:54,719 --> 00:57:59,000 you know years ago. He wanted to do the rematch, and so be 969 00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:00,679 it. I mean, they're doing it sequel. I was thinking to myself, 970 00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:04,639 I know, I don't think it's the record, but when I saw 971 00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:07,239 that they were fighting, I kept thinking, to myself, what's the longest 972 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,960 in boxing history between fight one and fight two? Ray Leonard and Hearns, 973 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,119 for example? Eight years between? Right? We talked about the rematch between 974 00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:20,840 duran and and Uh and Uh and Ray was about what eight years or so? 975 00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:23,760 I think maybe it was nine years, right, it was nine years 976 00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:31,280 the difference George Foreman Uh fought Uh No, who was it? There was? 977 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:36,360 There was some wacky fight where there was a long long time. Larry 978 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,639 Holmes, Larry Holmes in like the early in the in the nineteen eighties, 979 00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:44,280 defended the heavyweight title against James Bonecrusher Smith and then away at the end of 980 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,800 Larry's career. James had come back and was still kicking here and they fought. 981 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,599 It must have been made have been fifteen years difference, But I'm just 982 00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:53,760 making the point that find me some guys that fought rematches where there was literally 983 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:59,280 an eleven year spread between there between their two fights. That's the thing that 984 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,320 right right talking to me. So anyway, that's what's happened on Showtime, 985 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,840 you know, and more on that card as the week goes on, and 986 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,840 we'll get very nostalgic for this weekend, et cetera. It's the final Showtime 987 00:59:09,039 --> 00:59:15,199 PBC broadcast and PBC obviously will continue on, so we'll we'll talk that up 988 00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:16,960 a little bit more later on. By the way, I just looked it 989 00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:22,440 up while we're talking that there was fifteen years between Larry Holmes defending the heavyweight 990 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:28,800 title against James Smith in nineteen eighty four and then having a whatever that was 991 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:35,880 rematch where he stopped them in the two K nineteen ninety nine. So that's 992 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,199 kind of crazy. I think that might be the record. I don't know. 993 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,679 I mean, it seems like fifteen years apart. It's a long time 994 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:44,280 to have. Sure, all right, one more top rank note that's some 995 00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,159 of the start home. We're done heavyway, so they're not worrying about weight. 996 00:59:46,519 --> 00:59:52,800 Andre Berto and Robert Guerrero this fight was I mean promoters do wacky shit, 997 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:53,960 so I don't know for sure, but this fight was announced as a 998 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,760 welterweight fight, and when they fought back in the first fight, you know, 999 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,079 all those years ago, he was also a welter right fight. So 1000 01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:06,039 these guys have had a stay in on weight and in condition relative to you 1001 01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:08,119 know, the heavyweights between Larry and Bone Crusher, because their heavyweights didn't matter 1002 01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:12,679 what their weight was. All right, one more Top Rank announcement in some 1003 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,920 nostalgia to finish up here on the Recap podcast, and that announcement is a 1004 01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:22,800 March featherweight title doubleheader, right. Yeah, So a couple of weeks ago, 1005 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,480 a week ago I reported about how Top Rank had won the per spid 1006 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:30,039 for what will be the vacant WBA featherweight title. That was the belt that 1007 01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:32,320 Lee would gave up to the moving up to wait till one hundred and thirty 1008 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:37,760 to fight. And so his manager is quoteback Kolmatov, and they did a 1009 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,960 pur spid where he is supposed to now fight for the vacant title against Raymond 1010 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,400 Ford, a matrom fighter. Top Rank won that per spid and I was 1011 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,559 told at the time that they had signed Clmatov and that he would probably fight 1012 01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:50,559 in March, and I wrote that. And then Luis Alberto Lopez, who's 1013 01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:52,639 the IBF featherweight champion, who's with Top Rank, he had a mandatory due 1014 01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:57,920 against a Japanese fighter, rey Abe, that did not go to perspid because 1015 01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:01,320 Top Rank and mister Honda from taking promotion who they have a close relationship with, 1016 01:01:01,639 --> 01:01:06,360 they made a deal and so the two fights will take place. But 1017 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,079 Top Ringer is putting them on the same cart. So you got Lopez in 1018 01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:12,719 action against Abba in the mandatory for the IBF. He got Clomotov against Ford 1019 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,880 for the vacant WBA, And obviously we saw what happened with Robasi Ramirez. 1020 01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,800 He lost in the WBO that we talked about against Espinoza. But there might 1021 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,400 be a remeas there. But the point is Top ring is heavily involved in 1022 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:29,000 the featherweight division, and the winners of these two fights, I think people 1023 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,480 will probably say they should do a unification. Who knows that that will actually 1024 01:01:31,519 --> 01:01:34,880 happen. They don't have kind of big enough names. I don't think where 1025 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,320 that would probably be the case. What they are probably doing is there setting 1026 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:43,360 the table for later next year, perhaps in the twenty twenty five for the 1027 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,760 inevitability when nooa in a way after he gets done mopping the floor with Marlon 1028 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,039 de Topolas on December twenty sixth, of moving up to the featherweight division to 1029 01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:57,159 chase after more titles, and they'll have the winners, well not ray Ford, 1030 01:01:57,239 --> 01:02:00,280 but if Lopez or Kolmotov win, and of its abbie who wins because 1031 01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:05,760 they have such a close relationship with Honda that they'll be sitting on a silver 1032 01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,480 platter to make big money fights for the superstar in away. All right, 1033 01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:13,760 so we'll keep our eyes on that. We've got some time until March. 1034 01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:17,639 Nostalgia. We did not talk about this, even though the anniversary would have 1035 01:02:17,679 --> 01:02:22,239 been around the time frame of our preview podcast. But it was twelve years 1036 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:27,599 ago, actually eleven years ago. I'll do the math. It says twelve 1037 01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:34,920 on your rundown December eighth of twenty twelve. That yeah, Raoul Marquez absolutely 1038 01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:43,199 starching Many Pacquiao in a yeah yeah, Did you say Raoul Marquez? Did 1039 01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:45,360 I say Raoul Marquez? Or which one? Manuel Marquez? I got? 1040 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,679 My Marquez is I got? I got? Showtime on the brain with Raoul 1041 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,880 Marquez one Manuel Marquez fourth fight, Many Pacquiao the right hand bomb. That 1042 01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:59,400 Really, that was one of the nights where social media took on a life 1043 01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:04,519 of its own with that knockout, the memes and all the reaction because Twitter 1044 01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:08,920 slash x was fairly new at that point, and that knockout you were there 1045 01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:15,559 ringside. It still resonates eleven years later in their in their fourth fight for 1046 01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:19,320 a lot of reasons. So pay it, pay it the proper, uh 1047 01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,679 respect here for a minute or two on the acid. Was such a spectacular 1048 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:28,079 night. Now I am one of the few fortunate. Probably I don't know 1049 01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:30,039 how many. There can't be that many of us. Uh. I was 1050 01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:35,039 ringside for all four of many Pacy one manual Marquez fights. And when I 1051 01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:37,519 tell you know, we talked about there's always a stinker in there sometimes when 1052 01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:42,360 there's trilogies and that sort of thing. But all four of the Marquess Paca 1053 01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,119 fights were outstanding fights. I mean, you know, you can rank them. 1054 01:03:45,239 --> 01:03:49,159 Maybe they're not all the greatest necessarily, but they're all high level, 1055 01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:53,119 exciting, interesting back and forth kind of competitive fights. Uh. You know, 1056 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:58,719 the series ends to one and one in favor of Packcat, but there 1057 01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,199 are those who might argue that marquees should be up four to nothing, they 1058 01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:05,960 were that close to those types of fights. The fourth fight wasn't even for 1059 01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:10,639 a world title even though the other three had been for titles at featherweight, 1060 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,599 at junior lightweight. I forget what the other one was. It was another 1061 01:04:14,639 --> 01:04:19,159 world title fight also, but this fight was a welterweight fight. And the 1062 01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:24,440 whole perspective, the whole point of view, the whole reason for this fourth 1063 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,440 fight, at least in the eyes of the boxers, was they both said 1064 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,440 this time and time and time again, was we want there to be clarity. 1065 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,599 There had not. The third fight was a welterweight title fight. This 1066 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:39,280 was not for a world title between these guys, so they thought a featherweight 1067 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,079 title fight, a junior lightweight title fight in a welterweight title fight. And 1068 01:04:42,119 --> 01:04:45,320 now the fourth fight's a non title fight at welterweight. But the point here 1069 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,639 is that the two fighters were in dire desire, as were fans, media, 1070 01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:53,079 everybody, to have a conclusive ending, because whatever you thought of the 1071 01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:57,840 previous results, they were not conclusive. There was an argument said one guy 1072 01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:02,719 won, or was a jar or this fight number four was conclusive. First 1073 01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,760 of all. Leading up to the sixth round when this fight ended, it 1074 01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:11,000 was already a spectacular action fight. I mean Paco had been down in the 1075 01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:14,840 third round, Marquez had been down in the fifth round. They were battling 1076 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,039 back and forth. Marquees was getting damaged bad. Paco looked like he was 1077 01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:21,480 on the verge of getting an actual knockout win. He was the one that 1078 01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:25,360 was going to get the clarity by stopping his man. He was beating the 1079 01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,320 living shit out of Marquez over the last couple of rounds of this fight, 1080 01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:31,800 including in the sixth round, and then the clapper hit for the ten seconds 1081 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:39,000 and Nanny like relaxed for a split second and boom, massive, and I 1082 01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:45,320 mean massive, overhand right, absolutely flatten pacal face first. Roy Jones with 1083 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:50,159 the legendary part of the commentary, he's not getting them getting Jim again the 1084 01:05:50,599 --> 01:05:55,639 right right right now. At that time, he had Mitt Romney who had 1085 01:05:55,719 --> 01:05:59,079 just I guess he had just dropped out of the presidential race or had just 1086 01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:02,239 been beaten in the election. I guess correct, lost lost the election in 1087 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:09,159 November to uh Obama, and he and his wife and were ringside and if 1088 01:06:09,199 --> 01:06:11,599 you if you look at the footage of the knockout of the or the still 1089 01:06:11,679 --> 01:06:15,199 photographs, like Manny Paco was faced down and Mitt Romney's got his hands up 1090 01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:20,559 because many Packia almost fell into the lap of the Republican presidential nominee who has 1091 01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:27,800 just been beaten. So that was just incredible. And I asked all the 1092 01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,360 time, what are the best knockouts you've ever been to? And I always 1093 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,760 it's it's it's in the top three. I always talk about Many pacyaw knocking 1094 01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:41,199 out Ricky hatton Ault Williams getting knocked out in the rematch by Sergio Martinez, 1095 01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:46,840 and this fight here between one Manuel Marquez and many Paco, a spectActor knockout. 1096 01:06:47,079 --> 01:06:49,000 It was all that. It was obviously the knockout of the year, 1097 01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:54,800 right, it was the two thousand and twelve fight of the year, and 1098 01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:59,199 I and others picked it as a twenty tens fight of the decade. That's 1099 01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:03,440 how great fun this why it was when it happened, did you think, 1100 01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:08,199 for a second, Paki, how is seriously hurt? And there's a reason 1101 01:07:08,199 --> 01:07:13,440 I'm asking that. Do you remember fucking that even for a second he seriously 1102 01:07:13,679 --> 01:07:18,119 seriously hurt. So this happened directly. It did. Happened on the opposite 1103 01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:21,800 side. I was sitting in the media section at ringside. He got knocked 1104 01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,199 out the opposite side of the ring in front of Romney was on the TV 1105 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,480 side, and where we're sitting, they were shooting behind us, so many 1106 01:07:29,639 --> 01:07:33,360 Pako's feet were to our face. His head was, you know, into 1107 01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:38,480 the looking into the crowd, and I thought, I thought he was seriously 1108 01:07:38,519 --> 01:07:41,800 injured. I mean, he wasn't moving. He clearly was knocked out. 1109 01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,199 The crowd went orer opted because obviously there was a huge amount of Pacyao fans 1110 01:07:45,199 --> 01:07:47,920 there, but there was also a lot of Mexican fans there, so they 1111 01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:53,039 were they were very vocal and excited when that knockout happened. And I remember, 1112 01:07:53,519 --> 01:07:56,480 uh seeing Pacio down, but I couldn't see him because there were so 1113 01:07:56,519 --> 01:07:59,440 many people that flooded the ring in front of us, so you're just sort 1114 01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,920 of know he's in that pack of people. What I do remember, because 1115 01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,679 you could see him very clearly, is I turned to my left and on 1116 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:08,440 the other side of the ring you got one Danuel Marquess standing on the ring 1117 01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:11,840 ropes with his hands in the air in victory and so I was looking up. 1118 01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,239 I was looking at Marquess because had a clear view of him from my 1119 01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:15,920 seat, and he was celebrating. And when he turned around, and I 1120 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,840 don't forget this, he came down off the ropes. Remember his nose was 1121 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:23,319 all fucked up, he was bleeding, and Kenna, I mean, I 1122 01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:25,479 don't know if he was looking at the media on purpose or whatever, but 1123 01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:29,319 he looked towards us. And I just remember seeing one Daniel Marquez with bloods 1124 01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:31,800 just streaming down his face, but with a smile, and Pacia was laying 1125 01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,439 face first, you know, in a you know, somewhere over on the 1126 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:36,439 other side of the ring, and a mob of people that were attending to 1127 01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,600 him. And I'll give a shout out to Gail Falkenthal, who we love 1128 01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,399 talking to. She now writes in one of her roles with New York Fights 1129 01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,680 dot Com. She has been a podcast guest with us, and she talked 1130 01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:51,159 about the story of being given the opportunity to go cover that fight because somebody 1131 01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:56,319 else was ill or couldn't do it, and her immediate thought, she was 1132 01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,920 higher up than you were. She was on the same side, I think 1133 01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:02,840 the media section, but higher up her immediate thought was he just killed him. 1134 01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:06,800 He's not moving. She's going to herself. She said this to us, 1135 01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:12,079 Oh my god, he's dead. He's not moving. So thankfully they 1136 01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:15,000 rolled him over. He moved a little bit, and I guess, you 1137 01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:18,119 know, for those that were ringside, I remember Pachiel's wife completely freaking out 1138 01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:21,239 and screaming and running in the ring. That's vivid from the whole thing when 1139 01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:25,840 you relive it. Amazing the fact that many pat remember, Larry. When 1140 01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,760 I watched the pay per view after I came home from that trip to Las 1141 01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:33,760 Vegas, Larry merchants closing remarks about whereabout will we ever see the great packet 1142 01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:39,439 when the ring again after that? And had had the Mayweather fight been killed 1143 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,520 for good because we hadn't fought Floyd yet at that point, and the fact 1144 01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,159 that many after such as devastating a knockout as you could ever see in the 1145 01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:49,920 history of boxing, and then it was all time great already at that point, 1146 01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:53,880 obviously he already won the titles in the eight weight classes, He had 1147 01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,840 already run through the litany of top opponents. For him to get planted face 1148 01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:59,880 first like that, you had the thought, you know what, that's the 1149 01:10:00,039 --> 01:10:02,720 end of his career. Amazingly, after that knockout, he came back. 1150 01:10:03,119 --> 01:10:09,039 He'd beat Brandon Rios, He'd beat Timothy Bradley in there in their rematch. 1151 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:13,159 He'd beat Chris Algery and macau. He then had the Mega fight with Mayweather, 1152 01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:15,560 which obviously he lost. But even after the Mayweather fight, he still 1153 01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,159 scored some big ones. He'd beat Bradley again in their trilogy fight. He 1154 01:10:18,279 --> 01:10:23,000 won another title off Jesse Vargas at Walter Wait. In another fight, he 1155 01:10:23,079 --> 01:10:26,600 had the bullshit controversial loss that he didn't deserve against Jeff Boy In Australia, 1156 01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,560 he had a win over Tisay, who he retired. He beat Adrian Broner. 1157 01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:35,640 I mean, he'd beat welterweight champion in the history of Boxton, and 1158 01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,680 then he lost a competitive fight to Ugas. But the fact that he was 1159 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:44,439 able to have that many high level fights win most of them posts that devastating 1160 01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:48,479 knockout is remarkable. But well, I've talked about this like the moment that 1161 01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,520 resonates in your mind the most, because you could, like the the the 1162 01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:55,960 you hear it and you feel it like the energy just exploded in the arena. 1163 01:10:56,279 --> 01:10:59,880 I always talk about that knockdown that Martinez had against uh or that he 1164 01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:03,479 suffered against Julio Sesar Chavez Junior in round twelve, where a fight where not 1165 01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:08,880 much was happening and suddenly a boom and the whole place just goes absolutely crazy. 1166 01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,520 Now, there was a lot of excitement and a lot of noise and 1167 01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,720 excitement and packing out in Marquez four because it was such a fantastic fight. 1168 01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,159 So imagine a fight where the level is already at a din you know, 1169 01:11:18,279 --> 01:11:23,359 at a at a tremendous, excited, electric kind of atmosphere, and then 1170 01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:27,119 that happens. That was like the roof blown off, the roof blown off 1171 01:11:27,159 --> 01:11:29,680 the roof. That's the way that was. So it may not have been 1172 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,600 you know, mock five from zero to a billion like it was with Chavez 1173 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:38,079 against Martinez, but that was a pretty special moment when Pakio got drilled like 1174 01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:41,359 that. All right, one more piece of nostalgia and then we are done. 1175 01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:45,880 And that is that on Sunday, it's eleven years ago. Actually, 1176 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,319 you got your math all backwards here too. It was actually twelve years ago. 1177 01:11:48,319 --> 01:11:53,600 If it's twenty eleven, December tenth, twenty eleven, Lamont Peterson's win 1178 01:11:54,239 --> 01:12:00,520 over a mere con and you and you have specified hugely controversial oh and a 1179 01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,880 split decision win. Give me a little more on that one in the way 1180 01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,720 back. I mean you have to remember at this time, these are the 1181 01:12:08,119 --> 01:12:10,439 you know, among the two best junior walter right throw. We talked about 1182 01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,920 how loaded the weight class is right now, Well back then it was pretty 1183 01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,600 freaking loaded. Also, conn was the WBA champion, Peterson was the IBF 1184 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:19,359 champion. H And there was other quality fighters in that weight class also and 1185 01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,960 and I was respected the here for this because he didn't have to do it. 1186 01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:26,159 He was the clear a side. Uh. He came to Washington, 1187 01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:30,680 d C. Which was the hometown of Lamon Peterson fought him at the Convention 1188 01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,079 Center and I remember having a conversation with him here before they announced the fight. 1189 01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,680 H He actually asked my opinion, you know, do you think I 1190 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,279 should go to Washington? And I sort of jokingly said why, I hope 1191 01:12:39,319 --> 01:12:41,720 you do, because I lived like a half an hour from the convention center. 1192 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,600 And we had to laugh about that, and uh, you know, 1193 01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,960 he showed a lot of a lot of uh. Some people said it was 1194 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,600 a stupid move, but he came to Washington to fight this man, and 1195 01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:55,600 it ended up causting because I will go to my grave believing that the referee, 1196 01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,479 Joseph Cooper was an absolute hometowner in the bag lamon Peterson, and he 1197 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:05,479 deducted two ridiculous points from Amir Kan for pushing, which honestly tj. I've 1198 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:09,960 been watching boxing since I'm like, you know, ten years old, or 1199 01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:14,680 probably thereabouts seven years old. I've watched thousands of fights. I've covered thousands 1200 01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,800 of fights. I can't say I've ever seen a point deduction for pushing which 1201 01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,840 wasn't even like that bad or that deblatant. It was just an absurd point 1202 01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:26,880 deduction, and he did one of them in the twelfth round, which was 1203 01:13:27,119 --> 01:13:30,000 just not called for. It's like, that's the most ticky tack bullshit in 1204 01:13:30,039 --> 01:13:33,239 the history of boxing to take two points for pushing in a fight like that, 1205 01:13:34,199 --> 01:13:38,520 and anyway, it ended up costing Khan his title. I had con 1206 01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,520 winning that fight one fourteen, one twelve. Most of the media, Harold 1207 01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,079 had him winning that fight. Most of the media that was there had in 1208 01:13:45,159 --> 01:13:46,479 winning the fight. It was a good fight and nothing against Laman, who 1209 01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:51,479 I also enjoyed very much but kan Kan got the chef that night. But 1210 01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:56,399 it was very, very controversial because of what the hometown referee did. And 1211 01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:00,079 remember they were supposed to have a rematch because it was so controversial, and 1212 01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:02,279 they were all set to do it, and it didn't happen because in the 1213 01:14:02,359 --> 01:14:04,640 days, like I think it was less than a week before the fight, 1214 01:14:05,279 --> 01:14:10,199 Uh, it got canceled because Lamont Peterson failed to drug test because of not 1215 01:14:10,359 --> 01:14:15,159 just elevated levels of a testosterone, but like like I don't know what's the 1216 01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:19,079 word like off, I mean off the charts levels that were way way beyond 1217 01:14:19,399 --> 01:14:24,199 what they should have been the same amount of as an elephant for example, 1218 01:14:25,239 --> 01:14:27,840 a late Sunday night, right, whatever it was, it was canceled. 1219 01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:29,920 The one thing I remember when the fight was canceled, by the way, 1220 01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,720 when it was canceled the rematch, I used that opportunity. I had never 1221 01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,239 been to a UFC fight before, and as it turned out, the UFC 1222 01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:42,439 was having an event that took place at a at the George Mason University campus, 1223 01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,680 which is only a few miles from my house, and they were going 1224 01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:45,560 to be in town and I was free that Saturday night. There was no 1225 01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,760 boxing the fight was canceled. I wasn't you know, my plane ticket I 1226 01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,720 canceled because I was no longer flying out there. And I knew some of 1227 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,720 the PR guys at UFC, and I called them up and I explained to 1228 01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:57,840 them what was going on, and I was like, you know, if 1229 01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:59,840 you'll have me, I would actually like to come to your event. I'm 1230 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,000 thing about writing a column about being a boxing guy, you know, going 1231 01:15:03,039 --> 01:15:05,479 to my first UFC fight. They love the idea, and so on short 1232 01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:09,920 notice, I ended up instead of doing a rematching, Amir Khan and am 1233 01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,479 On Peterson went cover my first every UFC fight, you know, in a 1234 01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,920 arena, you know, fifteen minutes from my house. But the first fight 1235 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,920 between Cohn and Peterson was a very good fight, and amer Khan got the 1236 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:23,279 royal chef that night. But I always have huge respect that he had the 1237 01:15:23,319 --> 01:15:26,920 stones to come to Washington, DC to fight an outstanding fighter in his prime 1238 01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,920 like Laman Peterson. All Right, we have given you a bunch late Sunday 1239 01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:35,680 into Monday to set the table for this week with the resorts again of Haini's 1240 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:41,239 win of the upset of Robi Ci Ramirez, Chris Billim Smith's win. We 1241 01:15:41,399 --> 01:15:43,680 gave you some news from this DOWNEA. You telling me you got more, 1242 01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,760 you got more to say. I was Peterson was like a ten to one 1243 01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,520 dog in that fight. That's the point. And so that was in the 1244 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:57,680 nosalgia Rafia Lspinoza's gotting beat. Though as a twenty to one man, Ramirez 1245 01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,239 was a twenty to one favorite. I don't know on the bet Us line, 1246 01:16:00,279 --> 01:16:04,319 for example, I don't even remember if Ramirez was twenty plus two two 1247 01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:10,920 one hundred there in that instance or plus two thousand in this instance. But 1248 01:16:11,039 --> 01:16:14,800 he might have been like plus fifteen hundred to be able to win if you'd 1249 01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:16,720 had it as an upset. But that's why we love boxing. It is 1250 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:21,279 different than any other sport in terms of things can switch around with one punch, 1251 01:16:21,399 --> 01:16:26,680 knockouts, knockdowns, It does it differently. Listen, great stuff here. 1252 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,840 We want everybody to read your substack for more. This week again the 1253 01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:34,119 Showtime PBC Finale, Showtimes Finale is this week. We've got Jake Paul back 1254 01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:38,359 in action. We just had him on the podcast feed. You'll hear that. 1255 01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,640 Make sure you're following or subscribing. Dan ray Phield, have a good 1256 01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,800 week this is excellent stuff here in the recap, follet, and I know 1257 01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,920 the fans appreciate it. Thank you for the time here, all right, 1258 01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,560 somewhat capable hosts, you have a good records song. Yes, indeed, 1259 01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:53,159 we're all good. I'm happy and my Buccaneers gonna win as well in or 1260 01:16:53,279 --> 01:16:57,800 very much playoff relevant, which we like. For now we are good again. 1261 01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,359 Follow, Subscribe, Apple podcasts, Spotify, Google podcast, et cetera. 1262 01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,600 It is the fight for each to night recap coming off the weekend fight 1263 01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:08,319 us on the Big Fight weekend podcast feed. For now we're good. For 1264 01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,359 Dan Rayfield, I'm TJ Reeves. Have a great week