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This is the story of Raiders of
the Lost Dark. You can read along

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with me in your book. You
will know it is time to turn the

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page when you hear the bull whip
crack like this. Let's begin now,

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I'm retiring. Well in that case, what are we drinking? Same for

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the God daughter. God told me
you found something on a train during the

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war, a dial that could change
the course of history. Why are you

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choosing the thing that drove your father
crazy? Don't move physe get it.

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Stop sorry, doctor Jones. Get
him. Yeah, it made mistakes,

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and with this I won't correct them
all. You've stole it, then you

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stole it, and then I stole
it. It's called capitalism. Yes,

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way, first seat built, there
might be some tablets. You've taken your

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chances, made your mistakes, and
now a final triumph it Hey, m

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Indiana ponies. A few times in
my life we're seeing things. I'm going

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torture with voodoo. I'm shot nine
times, once by your father. A

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sorry, I've been looking for this
all my life. Welcome to the final

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chapter of our reading of the Lost
Arc series aka a crossover between the Projection

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Booth and the Culture Cast. I'm
one of your hosts Mike White, though

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you may know me as Lawrence Casting. Joining me, of course, is

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mister George Lucas himself aka Chris Stassue. It's like poetry rhymes, and of

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course Steven Spielberg aka Andrew Rausch.
Hey, what's up, there's Steven Spielberg.

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We are wrapping things up with the
discussion of Indiana Jones and the Dial

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of Destiny. This film has all
of these folks credited as writers, Jazz

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and John Butterworth, David Kepp,
and James Mangold, who also directed the

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film. Mangold has a real knack
for looking at older characters at the end

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of the run, as he's almost
doing for Indiana Jones what he did for

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Logan. This film tells the tale
of Indiana Jones finding an artifact that may

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change the course of history, but
that's kind of always his thing. We're

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going to be spoiling the heck out
of this movie, so if you don't

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want anything ruined, turn off the
podcast and come back. Don't be like

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the jackass who posted spoilers on my
Twitter feed the day the movie open.

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So let's go ahead and start at
the beginning and work our way through this

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thing, and we've got our extended
James Bond type opening with the d aged

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Harrison Ford and Chris. I think
you're a big fan of the d aging

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process. If you want to make
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there's a really easy way to do
it. Step one d aging actor,

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in this case Harrison Ford, because
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we just watched Blade Runner twenty forty
nine, no d aging there. The

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reluctance of Harrison Ford to come back
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but also in his appearance here.
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Maybe not. He seems to be
enjoying himself on this kind of last

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hurrah with Indiana Jones. But you
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coming. There had been whispers of
like there was someone wearing it, Indiana

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Jones mask writing a motorcycle at one
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And then you know, again,
like we've seen this technology in the

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Marvel movies so much now that it's
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grandmaf Tarken thing in Rogue one being
another case, but that's also a Disney

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thing. It's just never been this
prolonged and pronounced, and again it felt

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like the character that Malcolm McDowell plays
in The Clockwork Orange. It's like holding

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my eyes open because with grandmof tark
And you can look away it it's like

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a minute. With this, it's
like what am I gonna do? Go

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get a bucket of popcorn for thirty
fucking minutes. Like again, the action

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and everything else aside, just I
didn't want to look at it because it's

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not It's varying degrees of quality,
but most of it is below what I

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would consider to be worth showing,
at least for twenty five minutes. The

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Indiana Jones d aging is ghoulish,
and I think in a front too common

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sense. And look, I understand
why they did it. I understand why

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they did it the way that they
did it, frankly, because hey,

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if you're gonna do it, just
fucking full board, don't do the Justice

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League shit where it's like half dozen
in bullshit. Just they went for it.

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They show it. It's the first
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movie. He's da. The shot
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best shot in the movie, because
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horrifying, and we have to watch
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the James Bond movie, it's fifteen
minutes of a backstory of a character who

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were being forced to carry about,
and then fifteen to twenty minutes, or

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about fifteen minutes of actual Daniel Craig
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d h Harrison Ford's face, you
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dage the way that he holds himself. And anytime they show Indiana Jones from

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any sort of long distance, it's
clearly an old guy doing and that with

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an older voice. And then they
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he is a giant head. So
my ranting and raving aside, Boy,

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what an opening. I actually didn't
mind the daging all the time. There

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were a few times where I was
like, oh, looks kind of decent

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here, But that's very rare that
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shine the light on his face looks
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of real quick motion on the motorcycle
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there are times where I'm like,
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it's more just like an approximation of
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that this is young Indiana Jones.
I believe that this is the guy that

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we grew up with who looked this
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place and what thirty six this would
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and didn't look good. I thought
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the Spear of Lnginas, the sphere
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we read the story of Transcripts that
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up with the arc, that that's
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And they're like, oh, yeah, Spear of Destiny, and it

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kind of has the same thing here
where it's oh, if Hitler gets his

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hands on this, he's going to
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be rate And then that they proved
that it's a fake within the first fifteen

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minutes, if not sooner. I
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But I thought it was a nice
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I'm gonna be the odd man out
here. It wasn't as bad as I

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thought it could have been. You
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looked really good. The eyes are
that's the bad part. The eyes always

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looked dead, no matter, but
they look funky. But you know,

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I thought it was better used than
the Irishman. It was one of the

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people that didn't hate the Irishman,
but they they still walked around like old

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people. I thought that this was
one thing that they did better by using,

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you know, in the in the
action scenes, using a body double

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at a distance, and not having
an eighty one year old man hobbling around

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on top of a speeding train.
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It was a lot more than I
had expected. I mean, it

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was a lot, but I don't
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of the part parts of the movie
that I hated the most, and I

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know a lot of people do,
but hey, I'm fucking Steven Spielberg.

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You know, I could do what
I wanted and it didn't. It didn't

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bother me that much. You feel
like a Robert Downey junior and tropic thunder

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thing here, Like I'm not pretaking
character until we're character right. You mentioned

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you mentioned that they used a body
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where they clearly didn't. And it's
old Harrison Ford, and you mentioned the

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body double, and the voice is
the other thing, Like it is him

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doing old man Indiana Jones and a
young body like Disney hire somebody to help

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with voice modulation or get an impersonator
or something, because if you're trying to

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sell forty four, you're not successful
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all this other effort to do it. It seems kind of strange. They

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just be like, well, nobody
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And it's like other than all the
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Like I don't know, like it
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why not just go whole hog?
It seems a little strange to me.

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What was it like working with young
Harrison Ford? Oh my gosh, Well,

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the thing is he walked on.
George likes to cast people that are

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so close to what he wants.
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and give you a lot of directions. Yeah, and Harrison had a really

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firm grasp, Like the overview I
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he weren't so lazy. For instance, we were doing the scene where it

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was right after we got out of
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scene yet, and I'm looking into
continuity and I said, we'll wait a

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second. This is right after we
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my hair be all wet and matted
with Schmutz all through it? And he

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turns to me and says, hey, good, it ain't that kind of

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movie. If people are looking at
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This shit with this CGI has got
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enough. I couldn't believe that this
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because like, there's no amount of
this that will make Like, if

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this is the amount that you even
with the three hundred million dollar budget,

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and this is how it looks,
you can't fucking do this. Then do

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something else. Just write a different
opening, introduce us to the fucking abe

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waller Bridge character in the opening of
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Don't force us to watch this fucking
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to Last Crusade all over again.
Like it's just I don't know, maybe

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it just pisses me off more than
other people, but it just it felt

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like Disney just going, look at
this thing we can do, and it's

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like, I'm as impressive as it
seems like. I mean, it's like,

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given another I was gonna say ten
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I mean that we've seen the progression
since that really awful. Well,

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the worst I think is still Graham
Moth Tarkan and Princess Leah in Rogue one.

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And then it just it gets a
little bit better with Luke Skywalker the

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first time we see him in The
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we see him in the Mandalorian.
But here we are now and it's not

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much better. It's really yeah,
and yeah, there's gonna be a way

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to Dah the voice a little bit
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could do that. What's even more
kind of not upsetting, but again,

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it just makes it stand out even
more is when he interacts with other actors,

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real living actors, like the fantastic
Toby Jones, who's in this movie

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for a couple minutes and Thomas Kraishman, who's also in this movie, for

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a couple minutes like they're both fantastic
actors, and then when they have to

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interact with this like weird, homunculous
monster of an Indiana Jones, it's just

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I can't stress enough. So I
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like, I don't think that this
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I think that we're coming to a
logical point where this is either going to

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have to get better and then we
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stop doing it until it gets better. Because I haven't seen anybody go,

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well, this is a good part
of the movie that I really like,

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because everybody has to say other than
the fact that he looks weird and he's

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got this giant head. Taking all
that aside, the action's fine, But

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to be honest with you, the
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None of it seemed to be,
even the intro, which is a

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shave like Indiana Jones. You're here
for the character and the interactions and kind

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of the puzzles, and not the
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and there for the action and this
movie, Like from the start,

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it just feels very marvel, very
marvel esque, and Indiana Jones's action has

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never been marvel. Even in the
fourth movie, it wasn't. And I

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don't know if they d age Mads
Mickelson, but if they did, it

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wasn't very pronounced. And Mad's Michelson
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almost looked like the same fucking guy. He almost looked like the same fucking

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guy, but with shitty, shitty
blonde hair like that was I don't know.

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The real problem for me, and
I know I'm jumping ahead is he

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gets I would think he gets half
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Does not have a How does he
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thought when we first see him and
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right like, there's a long scene
where he's got his head turned and I

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thought, he's gonna turn and we're
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scar like you know, the guy
and Raiders have lost art glory. There's

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gonna be something, you know,
and it's nothing. It was just he

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just looked like the same fucking guy. Yeah, he's Mad's Michelson with gray

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hair and a few wrinkles. Yeah, same glasses, same everything. He's

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a superman. You know. They
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Maybe he was one of them.
I don't know, but it was

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weird. He had the super soldier
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And I haven't say the Dial of
Destiny, and I'm not going to

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try to pronounce the Greek at to
cathera mechanism. I guess that's really strange

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because it's a real thing, whereas
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atheists on this call. So the
spear of long guyness, who knows if

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that was really a thing? Who
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this kind of stuff, But like, you know, all the mythology that

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goes along with the spear, all
the stuff that goes along with the arc,

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with the cup, you know,
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Nobody other than Mulam, nobody really
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then Mulram, what's he wanted?
He's just like, oh, when we

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get all these, we have power. And I'm like, okay, great,

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you know this is a real item
we're playing with real history here,

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which is just an odd turn for
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adventures mix science with with mythology,
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then taking the pure science of the
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with time travel. Does this movie
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yes, of course, not addressing

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you Andy as Steven Spielberg, but
as Andy. I mean is does this

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movie suffer from not having me Spielbergian
touch to it? I don't know.

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I don't know if he's got that
same touch now. I think he does

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really good with big, grandiose movies
now, but I don't know if an

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action movie is really going to be
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I don't know if it would have
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of the movie is about the script, and you know, obviously we talked

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for six hours about the script when
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that tinkering, all the stuff that
went into it, all the things that

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were good, all the things that
were bad, all the things that got

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pulled out into other things, and
there's you know, of course, as

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I'm watching this movie, I keep
thinking about our script conversation and just like

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looking for little things that they might
have still kind of kept alive after all

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these years. Yeah, I don't
know if it really would have mattered had

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it been Steven Spielberg in the director's
chair, or if it would have been

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better if it was Lawrence Casden behind
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I think might have been different though, was the editing, because it felt

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like this film, even though it
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there was some flab to it.
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just in the second half, and
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but it's just just yet but didn't
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later on in the movie where you
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watch if i'd have had one.
I mean, it wasn't bad, it

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didn't feel long, but it just
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of action. I can't say what
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little in the in the final third. So if I had been there,

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if Steven Spielberg had been there,
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in the editing bay and would have
been smoother. Well, it wasn't Michael

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Khan. It was three editors.
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and Dick Westerveldt, three editors for
this. I think the problem was not

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enough editors and not enough screenwriters,
you know what I mean? Like and

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also, why didn't we have nine
directors? You know, if we're gonna

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have nine people at every other job, why not nine directors? We could

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had like a big committee of fucking
head Spielberg and Mangold and Lucas, all

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of them all. He could all
we could have all been here and Frank

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Marshall could have come on in and
you know, done his you know,

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a rackmophobia thing. We could have
had it, pull out a wigia board

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and get Bogdanovitch on the horn.
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spiritual stylings of Peter Bugdanovitch. Right, we could have made it just like

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What's Up? Doc? Or Last
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You know, one thing that bothers
me if they took in there real quick.

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We're talking about the train scene,
and that's worth the b aging.

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Do you know what I'm really really
sick of and it was fun once upon

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a time, and maybe it would
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But the thing where he's ever on
like some speeding train, speeding car,

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speeding fucking anything, and his head
is being held off and then oh my

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god, there's a big thing coming
at his face and then he moves his

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head and we never think the Indiana
Joe's gonna lose his head. It's never

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a real fear. But they did
it I think about four times in this

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movie, Like that is fucking overkill. Well it's between that and putting his

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head in a bag. You know, his head is a bag at least

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twice, if not three times in
this movie. Well maybe they could have

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done that instead of the d aging. Then you wouldn't have the complaints.

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He could have just had a bag
on his end for twenty minutes. Damn,

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I can't see fucking shit out.
It's like I've just made mine worse.

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Anybody Brandy extra bags? No,
nobody brought an extra bag. I'm

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just asking. With the thing with
the motorcycle on the train, I was

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hoping they were going to do a
super cop thing and have him shoot the

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motorcycle onto the train. It's like
we get so close to having big stunts

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in here, but then we don't. It's like we're in the age where

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we have seen so many of these
spectacular stunts, whether they're done for real

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like a Jackie Chan would do,
or whether they're completely CGI. And I

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would say all of the stunts in
here seemed like they're very CGI, which

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is a little sad, you know. And I will be honest, I

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winda got fatigue from some of the
action films because it was I kind of

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was not a fan of the action
in this movie. It seemed like overkill

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when it was happening. The chase
scene went on and on and on and

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then on some more, and then
on and on, like they'd take a

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corner of zoom zoom in the little
cart and shit. And then I felt

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like that was never going to end. And when I was watching John Wick

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four and he kept going up the
fucking steps and back down and up,

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I thought that was going to get
in this way, I mean, it

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was okay, it was workable.
This shit just kept going, and I

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thought the rest of this movie,
like the next hour is just going to

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beat them driving around in this fucking
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Thankfully that wasn't the case. It
was only like a quarter of the next

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hour. But I'm gonna watched that
movie just them driving in a circle and

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they just make a loop of that
fifteen minutes and it's just so Keystone cop

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shit. I'd watch right. I
mean, between the chase in New York

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with the horse versus the motorcycle in
the car and then the Tuck Tuck chase,

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I was just I was chased that. I was like, okay,

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in one he's chasing and the other
he's being chased. I'm just like,

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okay enough. And by the way, going back to that train fight,

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I kept thinking of Top Secret,
when the Nazi comes out of the smoke

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of the train and he's there and
he's ready to fight Indiana Jones and there's

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a bridge that comes I was just
hoping that he would stand there and the

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bridge would collapse underneath, you know, like would break around him. It

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would have been more compelling than what
we got. Because the original three Indiana

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Jones movies are of a piece,
they are their own thing, and I

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think I think that these two movies
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one was obviously Lightning in the Bottle. Two is my favorite, and three

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is the favorite of many, and
it is the third. One is very

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different than the first, and the
second is very different than the third,

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but they all feel of a piece. Four does not feel of a piece.

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It feels like its own thing,
and five really feels like its own

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thing. And this open is it
sets that tone because it just lets you

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know, like a it's not gonna
be what you think. It's going to

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be like a flashback thing that everything
does now anymore, where it's like,

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we're gonna show you this thing that
you didn't know about. We're gonna retcon.

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It's kind of a retcon. It's
a very lazy retcon, but it's

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a retcon none nonetheless, because again, oh now he had a god daughter

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that's never been mentioned in all these
four movies. Wouldn't be convenient if he

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had a son, and we'll talk
about that. But it sets the tone

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in a way that the openings of
the other movies kind of did as well

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for their respective movies. I just
think the tone of this movie is check

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your expectations at the door. This
is not your mom and Dad's Indiana Jones

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movie. This is very different in
a lot of ways. This is kind

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of what Ryan Johnson was trying to
do with that Star Wars movie, and

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he varying degrees of success based on
the person. But this, in the

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very same way feels like, I
want to do my own thing that's not

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Spielberg with a character that is in
the kind of pop culture pantheon, and

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Mangold does his own thing that is
for sure. Get me, Steven Spielberg,

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he's not available, then get me
he's non union Mexican equivalent. Listen,

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senior spielbergo, I want you to
do for me with Spielberg did for

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Rosca Shindy for me. The tonal
stuff really becomes a challenge. It really

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changes tone. When we moved to
August of sixty nine and we get the

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Beatles music, we get him interacting
with the hippies, we see the Shiitthole

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apartment that he's living in, We
get to see the picture of Marian the

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vorce decree that we have going so
we're introduced to that there's trouble in Paradise

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type of thing, and then him
going in and of course he has to

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be lecturing about Archimedes on that particular
day. So yeay us So here's oh

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my gosh, yeah, we are
just putting in this exposition right here,

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it happens to also be moon landing
day. We have to go right for

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all of the iconic shit, and
what are the odds of any of this?

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Right? And I know it's you
know, I mean, the last

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movie had UFOs and it's so who
gives a ship? And this one has

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time travel, so we know we're
not going for realism, but it just

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also happens to be the moon travel
day. And the music that's loud that

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he's hearing is the Beatles. It
just has to be something that's so iconic

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that we hear today and not one
of the eight hundred groups. They were

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listening to a nineteen sixty nine that
we no longer here today. And it's

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just or even the thing, the
little little shit like that where the picture

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of Marion is on the fridge and
this is the first day forever that he

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puts the sting on it, or
does he do that every fucking day?

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I don't know, but it's just
seems so convenient and maybe this is ridiculous,

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bitch, but it's just I hate
that that feels lazy to me.

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Even the thing with his retirement party
that happens at this school. This was

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the craziest day everything happened. And
then how does he not notice by the

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way, that his god daughter is
sitting there in his last lecture. She

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talks, He talks to her,
but he doesn't know who she doesn't need

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to notice she's not one of his
students. Nor does he notice the African

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American lady that's sitting right next to
her. Who is Is she the first

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African American woman that we've gotten in
all of these movies and she's an African

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American Nazi? No, No,
she's CIA. Yeah, the whole but

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she was working for the Nazi guy, right, Yeah, the whole thing

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is the CIA and nothing against her
and plenty against Nazis, but it just

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seems like somebody the Nazi would not
have really dug working around because they weren't

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really big on women, or African
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blue eyed, or an asshole.
It wasn't an asshole. I mean,

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the whole thing with the CIA working
with former Nazis, it is very

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project paperclip and they don't mention the
jet propulsion lab. But the whole idea

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of We're gonna get all of these
Nazi scientists, and it was ironic that

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I saw a trailer for Oppenheimer before
this. I was like, We're gonna

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get all these Nazi scientists to come
on over here, help us out with

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our stuff, and yes, help
put people on the moon. And Mats

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Michelson is one of those guys.
Somehow he turned from archaeology into rocket scientists,

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I suppose, or maybe he was
some Verna von Brown type person over

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in Nazi Germany. And for me, you know, you're mentioning how Nazis

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wouldn't like having a woman, African
American woman around the only time that Matt's

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Mickelson comes off as a dick is
when he is confronted with the African American

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gentleman who brings in his lunch or
his breakfast and he says question like,

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where did you come from? No, I really mean your people, And

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he's just kind of being a real
asshole about stuff. But for the rest

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of the movie, I'm like,
I'd rather hang out with Matt's Michelson than

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I would most of the other characters
in this film. When he says you

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thought for your country, didn't you
too? The African American guy, did

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I miss something? Like? How
did he know? Was that just a

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guess or was he wearing a patrick
like I didn't see anything. That's a

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good question. That seemed like a
hell of a gas. Yeah, maybe

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the mentalist too, you know,
now that you mentioned it, let's let's

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mention I think the best one of
the best things about this movie is they

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said, who can play a villain? Really? Well, Mad's Nicholson,

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of course, and best casting,
I mean, one of the best casting

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choices was getting someone of his caliber
in this movie. I think. Unfortunately,

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he's not much of a villain because
I mean, again, he's a

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Nazi who was hired by NASA,
helps the Apollo moon landing, and now

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he wants to go back and kill
Hitler, which means that this movie is

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about Indiana Jones saving Hitler's life.
I think he wants to take over for

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Hitler, like if anything, I
think he wants to kill Hitler so that

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he can become like the new Fur
like he sees, Yeah, he sees

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all the mistakes that Hitler made and
he's just like, no, no,

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I could do it better. I
know what those mistakes are, Like Hitler

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was too much of a pantie for
him. He wants to be the ultimate

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Hitler, super mega Hitler, and
so again like yes, I mean,

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yes, obviously mads Mickelson probably not
going to be much better than Hitler realistically,

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but it is ironic given how many
times Indiana Jones has foiled the Nazis

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that now it's not as much about
foiling the Nazis as foiling a Nazi.

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So's I mean, Mads Michelson is
the best part of this movie, Like

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bar None, it's just how can
you make a movie with Indiana Jones and

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just focus on the villain? That's
that's more of the question, Like you

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can't do that. He's no Bellock
though, you know, like I think

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Bellock as the anti Indiana Jones was
so much better than what mads Mickelson is

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doing here because Mads Mickelson isn't given
a chance to do much and most of

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the time it's just him swooping in, taking one part of the dial,

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swooping in, taking the other pattern
of the dial, swooping in, doing

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whatever he needs to do, and
just he doesn't seem to have very much

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any problems, and he's got Boyd
Holebrook and then Olivier Richter's there to help

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him out. And Boyd Holebrook,
as soon as I saw him, I

405
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:11.119
was like, Oh, he and
James Mangel must have really gotten along on

406
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:17.480
logan because he's basically playing the exact
same character but without an electronic arm.

407
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:21.720
Well, and I was joking with
you about it, but Boyd Holbrook is

408
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:26.599
not the character that Billy Magnuson plays
from No Time to Die, the most

409
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.839
recent James Bond movie. But you
could be confused by that because they're both

410
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.839
just kind of blondhaired, blue eyed
Sam Worthington's or Sam Whipers or Joel Kinneman.

411
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:38.079
Like I think it's funny. Boyd
Holbrook is kind of not needed here

412
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:42.200
either. I mean, he's fine, but sorry, he doesn't add much.

413
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.079
I don't think. I don't think
they give him much to do.

414
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:48.880
Unfortunately, either, at times it
seemed like there was too much shit going

415
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:52.160
on. There were too many characters. There was too much shit going on.

416
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.759
It could have been paired down a
little. You get the CIA chief

417
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.599
with the bad knee or bad foot
or whatever, and I'm just like,

418
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:03.039
we're gonna find out anything about this
bad foot. You want to give us

419
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:11.119
one line of dialogue. Maybe he's
been chasing Wombat aka Fleabag all around the

420
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:14.640
place and that's why he's got that. I'm sorry, I will say the

421
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:18.240
person's real name, Phoebe Wallerbridge.
He's chasing Helena all over the place,

422
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:22.440
and that's why he's got this bad
foot. Maybe she did something to him

423
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:26.000
at some point and that's why he's
really angry at her. But no,

424
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.440
we don't know. And so yeah, you've got five six people chasing down

425
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:37.480
her at Indies College where he just
happens to keep the dial in this storage

426
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.960
room where it could easily have been
stolen. But I don't want to be

427
00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:47.759
this guy, but it really drives
me crazy when you show a character shooting

428
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:52.799
that lady in blue who works for
the staff, shoot her in the hallway.

429
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:56.559
She's there face down because he shot
her in the back. He shoots

430
00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:00.960
I guess the head of the department. He falls down, and then later

431
00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:07.920
on Indiana finds her over in a
different hallway, different part of that and

432
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.640
on her back and I was like, well, she didn't crawl past that

433
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:15.319
head of there. And then flip
herself over on her back. I mean,

434
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:19.000
and nobody should have moved the corpse. So why did she move?

435
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:23.319
Why was the body move? Was
this just a weird continuity thing or is

436
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.559
there was there another scene missing?
Because there are scenes that are in the

437
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.319
trailer that aren't in the movie that
we saw. Oh there. It feels

438
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.359
like there's half of a movie on
the cutting room floor, the better half.

439
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:36.359
Well, that's the thing. I
mean, you know, we have

440
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.000
this opening in New York, right, we see old Indiana Jones. He's

441
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.400
got no shirt on. Great Harrison
Ford's getting to show off his physique.

442
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:45.440
I'm glad, but you mentioned it
already. Andy. It's like, since

443
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:49.359
when did this franchise become Forrest Gump? All of a sudden, It's like

444
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:53.720
he goes outside and they're doing this
and it's moon Dame, motherfucker, and

445
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:57.480
it's like, what the fuck is
all of this? Like this? There

446
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:02.359
was none of this for when we
had the Last Crusade, which is kind

447
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:06.240
of what this feels like. It's
aping when he's like he goes to the

448
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:13.359
book burning in Berlin, right,
that made sense contextually, thematically, historically,

449
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:15.400
those things all make sense here.
It's like, all why doesn't have

450
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:21.480
to be today because the guy looking
for the dial is the guy who put

451
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.200
the NAI, the Nazi who put
astronauts on the moon. It's like,

452
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:29.200
that's why. And again, like
your point, Mike, like that adds

453
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:34.480
nothing. Him being NASA adds nothing, like other than like operation paper Clip,

454
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.759
which they don't even mention. They
just mentioned that. I mean again,

455
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:39.839
they're not gonna mention Operation paper Clip
by name, I guess, but

456
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:44.279
they could, given we know that
it's a thing. I mean, you

457
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:45.799
don't have to call it that then, But that's what's going on. And

458
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:49.880
I was that was the thing I
was most excited about in the movie,

459
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:54.079
was this idea of like drawing on
reality and they just don't do anything with

460
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:58.200
it. They just go, well, it takes place on this day and

461
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.119
this guy did this thing, but
as to informing the decisions that he makes

462
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:06.319
or anything else, and that it's
all just kind of expository for no reason.

463
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:08.160
The reason that doesn't even have to
be there, though, is because

464
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:13.519
they make it seem like mad Michelson
is the only guy that was responsible for

465
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.559
the rocketry. And I was going
back just a minute here when we were

466
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:21.960
talking about the unmediated characters departed.
About this that really irks me is the

467
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:27.079
one character we actually want to see
again, Sala disappears, just disappears,

468
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.920
and it's like it was kind of
like that old I think it was Hitchcock

469
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:30.920
that said, if you show a
gun in the first act, that has

470
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:34.599
to go off in the third.
Well, I mean, okay, Sala

471
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.759
does show up in the third,
but we think. I thought he would

472
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:39.319
show up. I thought, you
know, just in the nick of time,

473
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:43.920
he would show up and save Dye. But isn't he gone until the

474
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.960
end? Or I thought for sure
he was going to get marrying and they're

475
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:50.400
going to save the day. At
the end of the film, you know,

476
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.799
he comes in as this Dao sex
salo smacking the guy in the face,

477
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:59.319
punching them the guy the hippie in
the face where we find out about

478
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:05.400
Mutts death just through a random thing
on the TV. Good thing. I

479
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:08.159
was paying attention to that, and
they're just like, oh, Ernest sartin

480
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:13.119
Dard and Rhnam or whatever. I
mean, it would be Vietnam and he

481
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:17.440
died on the way to his home
planet. He was boogie bro. I

482
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:22.000
mean, you know, think back, because again, in preparation for this,

483
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:27.679
I watched the first four begrudgingly.
On that fourth one, and don't

484
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:30.480
forget, in that fourth one,
Sean Connery, still alive at the time,

485
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:35.000
dies off screen. Den Holm Elliott, dead at the time, dies

486
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.079
off screen, so his death makes
sense in the way they handle it.

487
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:42.880
But they killed off Sean Connery the
exact same way, more or less ignominiously.

488
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.800
And here's the thing. I mean, they set up the idea that

489
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.679
like, what would you do if
you could go back in time and warn

490
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.440
yourself? And it's like, I
would warn my son to not go to

491
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:58.960
Vietnam. Like it's just it's ridiculous, so fucking it's fucking strange. Because

492
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:02.280
here's the thing. James Bond was
what Spielberg wanted to direct, and they

493
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:07.719
directed. He directed Indiana Jones instead, Right, what James Bond, who

494
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:13.639
now spoilers for No Time to Die? There is a child that maybe James

495
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:17.519
Bond's in that movie. Would that
James Bond let his child go into the

496
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:23.599
Iraq War? No fucking way in
what universe would Indiana Jones go, Yes,

497
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:29.400
you can join the Vietnam War.
It's such as Indiana Jones seemed like

498
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:34.239
a really bad father in a really
weird way, given that there was an

499
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:38.960
entire movie about his interrelational problems with
his own father and four was kind of

500
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:42.400
about that too, And then they're
like, but he just went to Vietnam

501
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.000
and died. The d like,
why do you just had doesn't have to

502
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.639
be there? This is kind of
a day in Indiana Jones' life this movie.

503
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:51.920
It's like, I don't know why
we needed to even fucking address it,

504
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:55.079
frankly well, And why would he
go back and try to talk Mutt

505
00:35:55.159 --> 00:36:00.000
out of enrolling in the arm services. Why doesn't he go back to when

506
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:05.400
Marian found out that she was pregnant
and actually be a father for this child

507
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.119
who didn't have a father for years
and years. When he finds out that

508
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:12.039
he has a kid, he's just
like, whoa, why didn't you tell

509
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:15.280
me? And he's kind of upset
in that fourth one, if memory serves,

510
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.559
go ahead and go back and be
the father that Henry Jones sor never

511
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:24.800
was for you. The weird tonal
thing about this movie is Phoebe waller Bridge.

512
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:30.679
I was she's some sort of now
mercenary and she's always talking about like,

513
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:34.719
oh yeah, I've got all these
gambling debts and there was this prince

514
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:38.760
here in Morocco who you know,
I was supposed to marry and I left

515
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:43.719
him at the altar, I sold
the ring, YadA YadA, and she's

516
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:46.119
just all like happy, go lucky. It's like she's in one movie and

517
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:50.360
Harrison Ford's in another movie because she's
there having a great time, like,

518
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:52.639
oh, wouldn't it be great if
he had a time machine? What would

519
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:54.800
you do? And he's like,
I'd go back and tell my son not

520
00:36:54.920 --> 00:37:00.079
to right right, Wait a second, there's a wait in the movie where

521
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:04.800
an actor who shouldn't be in this
series but it is for five minutes,

522
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:08.599
Antonio Vonderis gets murdered and she's like, yeah, we got away. Isn't

523
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:12.960
that awesome. He's like, my
friend just got for get murdered. It's

524
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.840
like this is something that would have
been addressed in the writer's room. You're

525
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.320
doing this on screen like makes nose
this. This is like a It's like

526
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.639
one of those Marvel joke moments where
it's like sincere moment brought to you by

527
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:29.199
Marvel, also ruined with a joke
by Marvel. It's like that worse because

528
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.760
like this is also fucked up and
not funny. It's this movie is a

529
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:37.159
tonal mess in a way that I
was not expecting, because four is not

530
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:42.199
a tonal mess. Four is consistently
bad. The tone thing there is so

531
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.719
weird. It'd be like if she
made a joke about maybe you'll get lucky

532
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:47.920
when we go over there and he
says I got my penis cut up,

533
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.000
you know, like it's the tone, it would just go from it.

534
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.199
It was so weird. Yes,
the transition is so even. She's like,

535
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:57.760
fuck, what the thought just happened? After he says you know my

536
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.000
son died blah blah blah, and
then he turns and walk away. Yeah,

537
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:07.119
you expect her to do the thing
with the collar going. Other weird

538
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:09.840
things in here, like that poor
horse that he rides through the subway and

539
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:14.480
I'm just like, watch out for
the third rail. But when he think

540
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.719
gets the horse back on another subway
platform, jumps onto a train and takes

541
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:22.400
off. And I have no idea
how the fuck boy to Holbrook knew which

542
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:27.599
stopped to be at made no sense
whatsoever. But he gets on the t

543
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.119
gets on the train and then he
has to say a joke, right,

544
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:35.400
and he says the joke to this
older here's another older African American woman.

545
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.960
He says a joke to her,
like he puts the button on it.

546
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.280
The button is so bad that I
can't even remember what it was because it

547
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:44.000
was terrible, and I was just
like, no, there should have been

548
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.159
like I was waiting for no ticket
or something like that. You know,

549
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:52.159
because this movie also feels the need
to call back to all of the other

550
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:58.239
movies, and we've got mentions of
the Blood of Kalie, We've got mentions

551
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:01.119
of him being shot by his own
five. Yeah, there's just like all

552
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:05.679
of these well, of course,
Mutt in here all of this stuff where

553
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:08.280
you're like, okay, this is
kind of weird, Like he's really cementing

554
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:15.079
this in there were four other adventures
before this adventure, whereas the Indiana Jones

555
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:20.719
that we know would have had a
thousand adventures. But he feels very compelled

556
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:22.679
to tell us about the four or
at least three of the four that he's

557
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:28.039
had before. It's almost as awkward
as when they're in that big warehouse at

558
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.519
the beginning of four and you hear
the arc theme and you know that the

559
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:37.000
Ark of the Covenant is in this
warehouse. Its weird. We've mentioned,

560
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.840
and you know, Phoebe Wallerbridge did
some script punching up on No Time to

561
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:45.519
Die, the most recent Bond film. Can't help but keep bringing it up

562
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:47.840
because in a same way, similar
to what this movie is trying to do.

563
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:53.599
This movie is the final story that
Harrison Ford is doing as Indiana Jones.

564
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:57.159
They've said they're not going to recast
the role. They've said that this

565
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.360
is the final Indiana Jones adventure with
Harrison Ford play Indiana Jones. Should they

566
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.480
do something else with Phoebe waller Bridge. Cool, but that's not going to

567
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:09.599
be Indiana Jones. It's gonna be
bombat and that whatever. Terrible time with

568
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:15.880
the biggest mustache. This little boy
has a mustache thick as fuck. I

569
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:17.079
don't even know that. I was
like, you know, is this like

570
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:21.639
a dwarf. No, he's a
little boy, but he's just got a

571
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:27.599
fucking mustache. And he was a
hairy little guy. Speaking of her Villa

572
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:30.840
Chez and James Bond. But any
all that aside the idea that this is

573
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:36.360
a movie about the end of something
and we're paying lip service to things that

574
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:38.239
have come before. And No Time
to Die, I mean again, this

575
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:42.119
is not spoiling the movie. It's
in the trailer he drives the asked in

576
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:45.880
Martin dB five and there that's the
entire opening of the movie has to do

577
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:49.519
with that car, which is the
iconic car. And there's so many iconic

578
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.800
things in James Bond, just like
there are in Indiana Jones. They are

579
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:58.400
parallel properties in a lot of ways. It's just Indiana Jones didn't make use

580
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:04.000
of the fucking time the way James
Bond has, because it's all about Harrison

581
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:08.400
Ford playing Indiana Jones until it's not
and you can have Sean Patrick Flannery doing

582
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:13.320
a halfway decent job as young Indiana
Jones and you've got all of that backlog.

583
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:17.000
But No Time to Die is a
much more successful ending of a story

584
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:22.440
than this movie is, because while
that movie has its problems, it understands

585
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:27.840
that we have to be an entertaining
movie while also ending the story. And

586
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:31.039
this movie just feels more like it's
just it feels like you're with Indie on

587
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:35.519
a train, just passing stops and
getting to see them and wave at them

588
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:37.559
as you conclude to the end of
the line and you get off at the

589
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:42.639
end of the movie. It's just
so yeah, mentioned Temple a Doom and

590
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.679
mentioned Mutt, which means you mentioned
the fourth movie. It's like, to

591
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:49.559
what end, there's nothing else,
There's nothing coming from any of this,

592
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:54.239
like there's this is it? And
so feels very it falls very short of

593
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:59.920
being even sentimental. It just kind
of feels like they didn't know what to

594
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.559
do because this movie has been being
kicked around for another ten years since the

595
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:07.159
last one. I love Phoebe waller
Bridge, but she did feel like she

596
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:12.199
was in a different movie a lot
of times. And yeah, it was

597
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:16.599
like she's got so much backstory that
I'm like, okay, hitting me with

598
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:22.679
all this stuff that really doesn't matter. Like adding that prince with the scimitar

599
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:25.719
in the Tuck Tuck chase just made
it longer, and I'm like, I

600
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:30.920
don't need this. I don't need
there to be the third group that's chasing

601
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:36.639
and being chased. You know,
just it's enough. Because I can't remember

602
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.119
if I said this this time around
or not because we started re recording,

603
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:44.559
but the whole thing of the between
the horse chase and the Tuck Tuck Chase,

604
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:49.039
I was just chased out. I
was like okay, yeah, train

605
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.960
chase at the beginning exactly because he's
going through all these and yeah, running

606
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:57.960
away from the guys. But I
was really kind of tired by all of

607
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.639
this stuff that's going on. I'm
just like, please take a break,

608
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:04.480
have a discussion. Let's hear a
little bit more about this. Okay,

609
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.559
great, you got this little flashback. Okay, cool. Indie promises that

610
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:12.039
he's going to destroy the dial.
I don't think he ever keeps that promise,

611
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:15.039
no matter what, Like even by
the end of the movie, I

612
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:16.920
don't think that that dial is destroyed. He takes it back with him.

613
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:22.519
So the way to go. Poor
poor fucking Toby Jones. That poor guy,

614
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:27.960
he's just I don't know why he
couldn't survive. But he dies off

615
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:31.840
screen too, and I don't understand
his character. Like his character again,

616
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:35.800
I was expecting more of him in
the movie. It just seems like they're

617
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.599
they're God, we should mention.
In the Toby Jones scene, we get

618
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:45.480
to see another another iteration of d
aged Indiana Jones, and this time it's

619
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:51.320
older than last time, but younger
than he is now. So it's like

620
00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:52.760
it's a time that we, I
guess, have never really seen in his

621
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:57.880
life. And it's it may be
worse than the opening of the movie,

622
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:01.599
but at least it's like one scene
stands out even more because he's in like

623
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:05.920
a really well lit room and he's
like interacting directly with Toby Jones, and

624
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:07.559
they have to keep showing them like
next to one another. It's like,

625
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:12.079
oh my god, Like guys,
like it worked a little bit better in

626
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:15.880
the opening just because he was just
constantly moving and you didn't have to see

627
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:20.599
it constantly well lit. I agree
with that it did better for me in

628
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:23.480
the beginning, and real quick on
Wombat, if it's okay, I want

629
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:27.079
to make two quick points. When
she first showed up, I was thinking,

630
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.800
please God, don't let her be
his gallipal for this movie. Like

631
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:34.199
I didn't want her to be a
love interest. And I thought, this

632
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.480
is a classy enough movie that hopefully
they're not going to pay an eighty one

633
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:39.519
year old with this hot thirty year
old. And I was so glad that

634
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.920
did not become a thing. And
so instead, yes, we got the

635
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:45.440
weird Oh my god, he's got
a goddaughter we've never heard once about.

636
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:50.960
That's one. And then two,
I didn't buy her backstory that she goes

637
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:53.320
from having this father that's really in
love with these pieces, to becoming a

638
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:58.760
mercenary of these pieces. And also
if she really did become that, if

639
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:01.719
she knew her this giant peace was
and the whole time the one that she

640
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:05.239
could really make the money on,
why did she wait so long to go

641
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:07.880
after it? Not that that really
matters. It could happen, but he

642
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:10.480
just seemed a little weird to me
when it was so screenwriting One oh one

643
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:15.880
as well, when we see Teddy
the kid being introduced and he's got all

644
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:21.760
of the gauges and dials set out
before him, and he's teaching himself how

645
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:25.880
to fly while working security or something
at this hotel. And I'm like,

646
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:31.000
okay, well that kid's gonna be
flying a plane anytime now. And a

647
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:35.599
plane that had a guy in it
who didn't need to be there. I

648
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:38.559
don't know what this guy who sleeps
better than I ever could in my entire

649
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:43.840
life, a guy slept for a
thousand years, but just backwards, I

650
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:45.519
don't know. It was. It
was so weird. It was all just

651
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.760
to make the one joke of him
going, you stole my plane, and

652
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:51.480
then we go, oh my god, there's a guy there. And that

653
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:53.360
was it, and it wasn't a
funny joke like you know what's in you

654
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:58.480
were talking about the butts African American
woman in the subway. This was even

655
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:01.440
shittier. And the line there was
trains faster. It was the shitty line

656
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:05.480
in that one. But it's like, it's all just to make this dumb

657
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:07.800
joke of the man sitting up and
that's it. There's nothing else. He

658
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.239
doesn't knock the shit out of the
little kid. He doesn't go why are

659
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:15.159
there? You know what is going
on with all these warships like I had

660
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:19.320
their arrows coming through the door here, So just really weird. I don't

661
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:21.559
think he did with theirs, but
it was just weird, even when it

662
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:23.960
comes to the punchline of I know
a guy and he's got a great ship

663
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:29.039
and I'm like, okay, then
you cut to the guy and he's got

664
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:31.920
this really shitty ship, and I
think at one point she just says I

665
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:35.599
was expecting a different ship or something
like that. I'm like, no,

666
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:38.880
that was the joke. Guys,
like he's he's got this really shitty shit

667
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:44.159
that that should have been the thing, And please God tell me why it

668
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:46.960
wasn't, Katanga, why wasn't George
Harris in this movie. I mean,

669
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:50.320
I don't know, is George Harris
with us? But this should have been

670
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:53.719
fucking get another actor and d ageum
or age him up or something to make

671
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:59.840
it fucking katanga. Don't have it
be Antonio Bandettis in here for five fucking

672
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:05.840
minutes. One of the biggest wastes
of this man's time ever. I mean,

673
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:08.360
he had more presence in the SpongeBob
movies, you know, come on,

674
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:13.679
It's like he's just here to die
and that's his only him and that

675
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:15.719
other guy, the other guy that's
on the boat. Actually the two other

676
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:20.039
guys are like, you don't know. Red Shirt dies and then red Shirt

677
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:22.079
two dies, and then Antonio Banderis
is like, shit, I'm a red

678
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:25.440
Shirt too. I went to the
bathroom, and I never go to the

679
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:29.360
bathroom. Maybe it's because I'm fifty, Maybe it was because I'd been busy

680
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:31.320
all day. I never go to
the bathroom. But I ran, I

681
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:36.280
was trying to get done really fast. I come back and fucking Antonio Banderis

682
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:37.960
is on the screen. I thought
I walked into the wrong theater, Like,

683
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:42.480
where the hell did this guy come
from? And why is he here

684
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:45.559
if it's the right movie. Hey, they never answer that because he has

685
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:52.480
what two lines two one. There's
a point where he's like going to open

686
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:54.480
his mouth and someone else cuts him
off, and I was like, wait,

687
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.159
wait a second, like, is
that going to be the joke that

688
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.000
he doesn't have a lot. It's
Antonio Benders was in one of the best

689
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:05.360
movies of this year. That Puss
in Boots last Wish movie is fantastic,

690
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:10.320
and he is what is why why? It was really distracting too to have

691
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:15.280
a big name person there to play
that little bitty role. And then in

692
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:16.679
what I saw, they didn't really
like I said, I Pete, but

693
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:21.320
it didn't really say him like you
know, they had this long friendship here

694
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:22.360
and it's like, oh, that
was my friend, like and he's all

695
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:27.760
pissed about it, like fuck that
it's an old friend. Okay, he's

696
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.719
an old friend. You've never heard
of him. It's like Mike and Barney

697
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:32.760
Miller. It's the same thing they
did with Phoebe waller Bridge. Is that

698
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.079
same like just have never heard of
him. He was there all the time.

699
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:39.199
He's you know, it was Agath
all along. It's that same shit.

700
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:43.719
It's like very you know, it's
just like Inspector, I am the

701
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:46.480
author of all of your pain James, like, no, you're not.

702
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:52.039
And the fact that they're they're trying
to lazy chain like Daisy chain, but

703
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.760
lazy chain it together is lazy.
And again like, oh, well,

704
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:59.159
Phoebe waller Bridge is your goddaughter,
Like yeah, sure, I guess,

705
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.280
I guess. He's never mentioned he
didn't have one at any point, so

706
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:06.639
he didn't mention he did either.
So but yeah, like Antonio van Dara's

707
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:12.440
man, like what a waste,
what a shame. Amy's third build,

708
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:15.639
he must have one of the best
agents in the world. And if you

709
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:21.719
look at some of the posters,
it's like he is bigger than Phoebe waller

710
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:25.000
Bridge is on the posters, it's
like Indiana Jones man and then on the

711
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:30.320
poster. Because I successfully until that
motherfucker posted stuff on my Twitter, I

712
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:35.840
had successfully avoided all spoilers for this
movie. I hadn't seen any trailers for

713
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:38.800
it, so when I saw the
posters, I thought it was Pedro Pascal

714
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:43.480
and I'm just like, this is
another Pedro Pascal thing. This guy's everywhere.

715
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:45.199
Well and here's the other thing.
So I didn't see his main build

716
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:49.559
because the theater that I went to
cocksuckers. I almost feel like I should

717
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.119
tell it on here, like an
ad started the movie early, so I

718
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:57.000
walk in, and yes, I
walked in, and I was two minutes

719
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.360
after the ships that I started rolling
right, so I don't even get one

720
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:04.400
trailer. I'm already they're on the
fucking train doing shit. So I didn't

721
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:07.599
even get to see baa baa,
Like I missed all of that. So

722
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.599
I also apparently missed missed his name, which I'm okay with that, but

723
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:15.440
the Baa baa, I would like. I don't think they showed any names

724
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:17.519
at the beginning. I think it
was a very cold open. It was

725
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:23.079
the there was the Disney open,
it was a Paramount open. It was

726
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:30.079
Lucasfilm and Disney present or the Lucasfilm
Icon. And then they went into the

727
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:35.119
movie. They started with Indiana Jones
with a bag over his head, and

728
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:37.320
then it says, okay, that's
where I came in. He already had

729
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:39.639
the rope. They were putting the
world on it, and that's when it

730
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:44.159
says Disney and Lucasfilm, which was
a weird credit to see. And then

731
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:46.639
Indiana Jones and the Dial Destiny,
so no names at the beginning until the

732
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:51.440
end. Yeah, and it feels
like a Disney movie. It's so weird

733
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:53.239
to me because again I rewatched Four, and I don't want to be an

734
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:57.679
apologist for four, and I don't
think anybody should, because Four is not

735
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:01.719
a great movie. But at least
Four felt like an Indiana Jones movie,

736
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:06.280
Like, at least it still had
the DNA at the heart of it that

737
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:09.639
made it an Indiana Jones movie.
Yes, I didn't like where it went,

738
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:15.199
and yes it where it went to
so cuckoo Banana's bullshit with the ancient

739
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.000
aliens and stuff, and I think
it's funny. I think it's funny,

740
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:22.519
how horseshit it is because again that
ancient astronaut theorists and all that stuff aside.

741
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:25.880
But like this movie, it feels
so like a Disney movie, and

742
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.280
the fact that I saw it at
the beginning, just like you mentioned Disney

743
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:32.840
one hundred, one hundred years of
Disney, Like, oh right, this

744
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:37.320
is a Disney thing now, like
we're going back to for real quick.

745
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:39.800
Generally I would like aliens, right, Generally I would like time travel,

746
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:44.960
But somehow both of these movies have
made that aspect kind of shitty, Like,

747
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:47.639
I mean, look, there are
aspects of the time travel here that

748
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:52.079
was interesting, but somehow they made
it kind of overall feel sucky. And

749
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.320
that's how I felt with the Aliens
and four, like how do you make

750
00:51:55.760 --> 00:52:00.599
Indiana Jones and Aliens be so shitty? And they did it? I don't

751
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:04.000
know. And so these movies do
have something in common and something to be

752
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:06.800
impressed about, and it's the way
that they ruined things that should have been

753
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:08.480
more well. It kind of goes
back to the thing that we're talking about

754
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:15.199
with the weaponization of the mcguffin the
Crystal Skull. Did the Russians think that

755
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:21.239
they were going to revive the Aliens
or join with the Aliens and then have

756
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:25.360
them attack America or something, because
there's nothing there's no reason why the Russians

757
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:30.239
should be interested in these aliens whatsoever. There's no like we will take a

758
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:36.079
part the capitalist worldview with these aliens
or something. If anything, I think

759
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:39.639
they would ransom knowledge. That's what
it's supposed it gave them, like infinite

760
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:44.880
knowledge. Her head explodes, right, be careful what you wish for you.

761
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:49.400
But again, like the Arc and
the Holy Grail play into the climax

762
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:52.320
in the movies in a way that
makes sense because what they do has been

763
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:58.239
established, and what the aliens do
was never established, and what the Dial

764
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:02.039
does is established up until till like
thirty seconds before it happens. And then

765
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:07.440
it's like Indiana Jones finds the oh
shit, oh no, he's the only

766
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:13.559
one. He's the only one who
realized, and it's like, fucking Christ

767
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:15.039
movie. Here we go, like
all bets are off. Do you know

768
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:20.960
what he's doing. He's doing George
Lucas in those story sessions that we read

769
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:23.880
where George just like, well,
you know, the sun would have shifted

770
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:28.320
and the stars would have changed.
So really, we can't use the sun

771
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:32.360
to figure out where the Ark of
the Covenant is because thousands of years have

772
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:37.960
passed. And Indiana Jones becomes that
guy he says saying, oh you it

773
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:42.679
is. There's continental drift. Our
committees didn't know about that. We're gonna

774
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:47.480
go back to the wrong period,
which is like so fucking hilarious and talk

775
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:51.840
about last minute. It's like once
again things that could have been brought to

776
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:55.320
my attention yesterday, and like I
get why they do it. When they

777
00:53:55.400 --> 00:54:00.599
do it. But it just again
comes back to this idea of introduced so

778
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:05.679
many characters and so many other things
that we never really get to focus on

779
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:07.920
the Like you mentioned, Andy,
we never get to focus on the time

780
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:09.639
travel, just like in the fourth
movie, we never really I mean,

781
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:13.000
we get to talk more about the
Aliens in the fourth movie than in this

782
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.920
movie with the dial. But the
dial in this movie is more of a

783
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:20.440
mcguffin than any of the other things
we're in the other movies, because even

784
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:25.280
in two the Shankra Stones play into
the way the movie concludes with molar Ram,

785
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:29.000
you know, grabbing him and burning
his hands and you know, freaking

786
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:34.239
out and dying. But in this
it's just like, okay, sure we

787
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:37.039
only ever see it do its thing
one time, which I know the Arc

788
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.159
and the Holy Grail are the same
way, but in this it's like even

789
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:44.440
that it just kind of happens.
I don't know, It's it's very strange

790
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:46.119
to me that this is what they
after all this time and all these other

791
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:51.519
ideas and going to the Well of
Aliens, this is still where they landed

792
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:54.480
his time travel. Like fuck,
it is that not the last gasp of

793
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:59.039
a dying franchise. Is that why
they did it in an end game is

794
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:00.719
because that was the last time to
do it then and then you never have

795
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:04.039
to do it again. Like I
just think should have time traveled back to

796
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:06.719
when people gave more of a shit
about these movies. That would have been

797
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:09.679
helpful. Did you see the numbers
on this movie. It's making the same

798
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:15.119
numbers as the Flash it's going to
it's a bomb. Who is this movie

799
00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:19.679
for? Ultimately? Like the fans
of this movie are what I mean?

800
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:22.199
I don't know how old you are, Chris. I think it's for me

801
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:24.679
and Mike and I'm in my early
third I'm in my early I grew up

802
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:29.719
with the first three movies, Like
I saw the fourth movie twice in theaters

803
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:32.239
the day it came out, Like
I was overjoyed to be able to buy

804
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:37.920
Indiana Jones merchandise in two thousand and
seventeen thousand and eight because there was none

805
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:40.639
of that, Like I had an
Indiana Jones hat growing up, like that

806
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:45.239
fucking Fedora. I had the template
Doom poster in my room. Like that's

807
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:47.519
why it feels like I know that
South Park did that. It's a personal

808
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:52.159
attack episode on Indiana Jones. But
like at this point, I wonder,

809
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:53.719
like, who the fuck is this
shit for, because like, I don't

810
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:58.239
know if young kids are like Indiana
Jones. I'm a huge fan of that,

811
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:00.960
Like, so I'm glad, I'm
you established your credit and that's great

812
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:04.159
for thirty one year old, But
I want to say that the majority of

813
00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:06.760
the fans are forty in off right, Like, I mean, you grew

814
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:08.599
up with them. But I think
Mike and I'm not this is doesn't give

815
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:10.440
a shit. I don't give a
shit. But there are people in a

816
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:13.599
different way that grew up with them
like Mike and I did, and people

817
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:15.840
that are older than us. But
it's like, I don't even though you're

818
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:20.119
an exception and I'm really glad you're
an exception, I don't think there's that

819
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:23.280
many people under forty that are super
fucking amped to see another Indiana Jones movie.

820
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:25.320
And I think that that's part of
the problem. And the other part

821
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:29.719
of the problem is a lot of
the older audiences, hopefully older than Mike

822
00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:31.079
and I, are the people that
just want to stream now because it's too

823
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:35.199
much of a pain and ask to
go to the theater. So who is

824
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:37.440
the audience there is no audience.
That's the problem. There's not really an

825
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:42.840
audience. I think they're looking for
a nostalgia that people don't seem to give

826
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:45.239
enough of a shit about to really
be there for many people other than us.

827
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:49.119
I was amped. I bet you
guys were amped, But I mean

828
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:52.480
my amptness left as the movie went
on. Now, Phoebe waller Bridge is

829
00:56:52.639 --> 00:57:00.480
immensely talented, mas Mickelson wonderful,
and Tonio Bandera's fucking a. Buts are

830
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:06.039
probably not that super thrilled for Harrison
Ford. If anything, you would think

831
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:09.480
you would want to put another big
star in here to make it appeal more

832
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:14.000
to the kids. It's not like
a twenty five year old is going,

833
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:16.239
oh man, I can't wait for
that new Phoebe waller Bridge movie to open.

834
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:20.119
That's going to be lit, you
know, or whatever the kids say

835
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:23.679
these days. Oh man. I
watched Fleabag all the way back in twenty

836
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:28.360
sixteen, and that was so great. You know, I watched a little

837
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:31.000
mustache boy with the fucking unibrow.
A big fan of him. You know.

838
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:34.119
It's like, but you know,
what are you gonna do? You

839
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:38.480
gotta put something or somebody else in
here to make it appeal to a little

840
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:43.719
bit more wider audience and and I
don't many twenty year olds you're going,

841
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:45.800
I can't wait to see an eighty
one year old in an action movie.

842
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:51.280
And that's where the total disconnect comes
from, because Phoebe waller Bridge is in

843
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:57.400
the movie that they should have made, and Indiana Jones Allah Harrison Ford is

844
00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:01.960
in the movie that they couldn't help
themselves but make because James Manold made it.

845
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:09.119
Like it's that like musing on life
and age and going grilling older and

846
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:14.480
you're lead losing because ultimately the climax
of the movie comes down to do you

847
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:16.639
want to be out of time and
admit you're out of time? Or do

848
00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:21.800
you want to get with the times? Motherfucker? And like that's ultimately that

849
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.400
the question of the movie is are
you ever going to feel out of time?

850
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:28.199
Even if you're in and again whatever, Fine, you want to go

851
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:30.960
that route movie, Fine, James
Mangold, go for it. But I

852
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:36.159
just for me, it's like Indiana
Jones is not that avenue. It should

853
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:42.840
have just been a triumphant finish to
a career and a character that so many

854
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:47.079
people like We've mentioned though, many
people that are not more of more of

855
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:52.400
being made every day again, your
point, like this should have been a

856
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:57.320
last hurrah for the people that were
fans of this fucking franchise, not attempting

857
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:00.800
to make something to kind of bridge
the divide when you know that there's nothing

858
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:06.079
to bridge, there's nothing else here. They're not doing anything else like you

859
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:08.960
were on the right track with Mad's
Michelson. Everything else kind of fatal.

860
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:13.440
So it's just like everything else kind
of fails, other than the fact that

861
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:16.599
they got Jonathan rees Davies back into
the movie again, which I'm sure he

862
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:21.400
would have come back for four willingly. God, he looks like he's five

863
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:23.679
thousand years old. He looks like
the Mummy that they dug up. I

864
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:27.000
mean, I feel bad, but
as you know, we can talk about

865
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:30.840
Harrison Ford being eighty one, but
god, he looks like he's fifty years

866
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:35.079
older than Indiana. Like, it
looks bad. I was glad to see

867
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:37.480
him, but God, he looks
so shitty. Almost wasn't sure it was

868
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:39.800
him. Going back to my screenwriting
stuff that I was talking about before,

869
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:44.960
with the kid and the flying one
thing that never seems to pay off,

870
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:50.159
and I've seen writers do backflips to
try to make this payoff. Is her

871
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:55.239
forcing the card And there have been
writers that I've I've read over the last

872
00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:58.360
few days that are just like,
oh, well, you get it.

873
00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:06.000
Her forcing that seven of spades on
everyone with the cards is like Archimedes forcing

874
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:10.760
them to go back to the Battle
of Syracuse with the dial. And I'm

875
01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:14.719
like, really, that's where you're
gonna go with this, that's what you're

876
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:16.719
going to try to prove to me. To me, it just made no

877
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:22.400
sense because I was waiting for her
to do another card trick or something later

878
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.480
on than the film. I mean, she does little thing with the dynamite

879
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:29.840
sticking out of her back pocket,
those kind of things, but nothing to

880
01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:34.039
do with cards. And then the
other thing is that he's got those papers

881
01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:37.679
which seemed to disappear pretty quickly after
that, where they have the dates of

882
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:42.280
eight twenty sixty nine all over the
place, and I'm like, all right,

883
01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:45.800
well, first off, we know
that an American had to write that,

884
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:49.320
otherwise it would be twenty eight sixty
nine. They don't seem to give

885
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:53.199
a shit about that that Toby Jones
and Mads Michelson are both from Europe.

886
01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:58.800
But anyway, We've got a date
here, folks, eight twenty sixty nine.

887
01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:01.960
The ticket tape parade for the Astronauts
took place on eight thirteen sixty nine,

888
01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:06.440
So we've got a ticking clock.
Something's going to happen on eight twenty

889
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:10.039
sixty nine. And they really never
tie the thread that the gate is going

890
01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:15.800
to open on eight twenty sixty nine, that we are we have a ticking

891
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:19.480
clock. We don't feel like we
have a ticking clock with this movie.

892
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:27.000
We don't get the Nazis are going
and digging at tennis scene from the first

893
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:29.559
movie, the scene with you know, it's it's the arc, you know,

894
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:32.239
and you know that whole thing with
the specialists, Like there's none of

895
01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:37.119
that in this movie, and they
it needed that, Like if these are

896
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:40.760
James Bond, which again they kind
of are, then this movie doesn't have

897
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:45.880
the scene that the other movies have
had, which is the explanation of the

898
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.719
thing. I will say I appreciate. As someone who played a lot of

899
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:52.840
Indiana Jones video games, including the
Lucas Art Point and Clicks, I can't

900
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:57.440
help but feel like the whole scene
in the Archives is a callback to the

901
01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:00.239
Fate of Atlantis video game which would
have made a much more impelling movie,

902
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:05.400
because again it's just for me.
It's like you have to I know that

903
01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:09.559
the dial is a real thing,
but like that kind of actually wasn't never

904
01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:14.840
the point of the other things.
The Arc and the Holy Grail are maybe

905
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:19.760
real things, like and you've imbued
them with what one could consider and I

906
01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:23.559
would think a lot of people would
agree, like an understandable level of power

907
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:29.199
associated with these biblical frelics in this
it's like this could do whatever the fuck.

908
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:34.159
Frankly, like it does. I'm
not even sure they understand what the

909
01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:37.280
fuck they're they're trying to introduce,
because yes, Harrison Ford says, well,

910
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:40.920
we can travel to a fissure in
time, and this finds that fissure,

911
01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.599
but it seems like there's actually more
going on and they never kind of

912
01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:49.199
explain it, and they kind of
just YadA YadA it, which in of

913
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:52.320
all the movies to YadA YadA,
even in the fourth movie, Indiana Jones

914
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:59.000
doesn't YadA YadA the explanation of what
they're going after. It never does that.

915
01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:01.000
It takes a moment to do it. And this movie is just not

916
01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:06.239
as concerned as the other movies have
been, which is kind of strange.

917
01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:10.599
He's his own m in this one. When he's giving the lecture. That's

918
01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:15.079
as much backstory as we get.
And I'll tell you that whole thing with

919
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:17.440
the Battle of Syracuse when he's talking
about those claw things that would grab the

920
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:22.960
ships and we see those kind of
peripherally as the planes are flying way too

921
01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:27.039
low over this battle. Fucking pull
up, man, or else you're gonna

922
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:31.079
get speared like they do. But
anyway, they also talk about the mirrors

923
01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:35.400
and how they were setting fire to
the ships with these mirrors, and I

924
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:37.960
was like, yeah, I want
to see that. I want to see

925
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:42.960
like death laser beam from these mirrors, like that casino in Vegas that was

926
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:46.280
cooking people by the pool because the
windows were all set up in correctly.

927
01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:50.039
It's like, yeah, I want
to see that kind of stuff. No,

928
01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:52.320
no, we're not going to see
that. We're gonna see old ur

929
01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:58.360
commedies come out. We're gonna see
this Roman soldier get ganked and apparently our

930
01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:03.119
commedianes died at that battle, so
that he isn't dead when Indiana leaves allegedly

931
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:09.519
or however that happens, because he
gets knocked out cold I think that Roman,

932
01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:12.800
who was coming after Indiana was the
one that should have been killing our

933
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:15.039
comedies. And they're all worried about
the sanctity of time, and I'm like,

934
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:20.800
since when is Indiana Jones worried about
the sanctity of time? Well,

935
01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:25.519
I was convinced that the entire third
act of this movie was going to be

936
01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:28.039
he goes back in time. He's
like, well, I'm going to leave

937
01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:30.159
a note for myself about my son. And then in that kind of the

938
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:35.239
coda you have, well, Marian
is back because like Mutt is still alive

939
01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:38.119
being let to fucking see him.
But it's like, well, I got

940
01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:41.440
a call from Mutt or you know, answers the phone and it's Mutt or

941
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:45.360
you know, it's like back to
the future, right back to the future.

942
01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:47.840
Wanted it, wanted it one way
and had its cake, and then

943
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:53.320
ate it too twice with the second
and third movie. But even it understood

944
01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:57.039
that you can tease that hole,
don't don't mess up time. But if

945
01:04:57.079 --> 01:05:00.719
you mess up time for the positive, nobody cares. And that's the thing

946
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:02.559
that they do an end game.
It's like, yes, we fuck put

947
01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:09.440
the timeline, but guess what we
got ostensibly quantitatively a better timeline out of

948
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:13.719
it, so nobody cares, and
that should always be the way time travel

949
01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:16.159
is addressed in these movies. It's
not we can't fuck up time, it's

950
01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:19.880
we can't make it worse, so
do whatever you can to make it better.

951
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:23.440
And yes, I get that,
that's where you kind of get the

952
01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:26.559
paradox of it. But at least
that's more interesting than just doing this.

953
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:29.719
Well, I'm not going to stick
around because I'll fuck up time thing because

954
01:05:29.719 --> 01:05:31.639
it's like, jeesus, what is
this the butterfly effect all over again?

955
01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:35.920
Like it's so so played out at
this point. Well, she's like,

956
01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:41.039
oh, there's not enough medicine and
you you've been shot and blah blah blah.

957
01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:44.480
I'm like, first off, he's
walking around just fine after being shot.

958
01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:47.199
Of course there's a shoulder wound.
But I'm like, hey, guys,

959
01:05:47.320 --> 01:05:50.880
don't forget our Chimedes was also a
physician, so you know, maybe

960
01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:55.599
you're in okay hands here and if
not, you die at home, you

961
01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:59.039
die here in ancient Greece. Yeah, what do you want? So?

962
01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:02.960
But yeah, totally thought that they
would have had some sort of thing where

963
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:11.119
either him or phoebe Wallerbridge, make
that trip and talk to Mutt, and

964
01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:15.119
he's there alive, and we're good. By the end of the film,

965
01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:18.239
great Marion comes back. They do
the little kiss on the elbow thing,

966
01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:21.639
which was a nice throwback. I
guess do call back to Raiders with that,

967
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:26.599
but yeah, I really wanted his
son to be alive too, and

968
01:06:26.679 --> 01:06:31.920
they don't really. He gives that
speech about how you know they've broke apart

969
01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:39.440
after Mutt died and that he's basically
living as this bitter old man, but

970
01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:43.519
they don't really address that too much
in this I mean, other than just

971
01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:46.440
Harrison Ford being a bitter old man. I felt like the ending is totally

972
01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:49.519
unearned, right, like, like, what do we do here? Let's

973
01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:55.199
make everything perfect to this ridiculous amount. So we have Marian with the biggest

974
01:06:55.800 --> 01:07:00.480
bullshit appearance, like she's there for
thirty seconds, and Solids like they all

975
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:03.559
come in like here's our happy family
and there all of this shit happening at

976
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:06.360
the very third, last thirty seconds
or whatever, and it's like, oh,

977
01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:11.239
everything's happy. The police aren't even
looking for him anymore. What has

978
01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:15.519
changed that? Like I don't understand, Like that really pissed me off.

979
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:17.800
Like and there no one goes,
well, we have to lay low until

980
01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:20.599
we figure out. You know,
did they figure out the whole situation with

981
01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:25.400
the cops and clear him while he
was asleep? It was awful. I'm

982
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:29.119
sorry that lad. The ending was
awful. I thought that the twenty minutes

983
01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:31.199
leading up to it was awful,
but then it got there and I thought

984
01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:34.119
I still missed it up. I'm
not gonna lie him and Marian, but

985
01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:38.440
I thought it was an awful scene. Well, when they played Marion's theme,

986
01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:40.679
that's when it got me because I
was just like, oh, that

987
01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:45.159
music, that love affair that they
had, and you know, I'll remember

988
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:47.320
when she was twelve and he was
twenty two. Thank you, thank you.

989
01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:50.559
Hey, it's not weird though we
promised, Okay, Steven Spielberg,

990
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:54.280
he's here with us now, and
he wasn't grooming her. He wasn't.

991
01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:57.440
It wasn't none of that he was. He wasn't. It wasn't like an

992
01:07:57.480 --> 01:08:00.840
Elvis Jerry Lee Lewis thing at all. It was just they were married,

993
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:04.400
they had kids. In the end, come on, what's the problem.

994
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:08.119
Yeah, It's like someone saw a
return of the King and they were like,

995
01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:10.880
how can we make this like that, but dumb. I mean again,

996
01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:14.199
it has that same feeling because if
you think about Return of the King,

997
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:16.760
Frodo drops and it's like, what
happened? Where am I? And

998
01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:21.359
you have to come to the realization
of what's happening with the character. You

999
01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:25.600
don't see the character coming to,
you come to with the character. And

1000
01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:30.720
in this it's so bizarre because they
go back in time in an Indiana Jones

1001
01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:34.880
movie to a time that has nothing
to do with anything other than contradential drift,

1002
01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:39.680
and it's like, okay, sure, and there's a bunch of Nazis

1003
01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:43.600
and we get to see Mads Michelson
in a straight up Nazi outfit, which

1004
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:46.960
is a wild piece of imagery.
I will say, to my wife's credit,

1005
01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:51.279
she mentioned and I think we should
mention here Michelson doesn't look remotely German

1006
01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:58.800
even when they put him in a
Nazi outfit. But what an ignominious way

1007
01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:02.279
to end an interest in character.
It feels like they really had no idea.

1008
01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:05.399
I know that there were mentions of
rewrites of the third act of this

1009
01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:09.560
movie, and that's the only expert. It feels like they improvised the whole

1010
01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:11.720
movie, like and then they get
to the third act and it's like,

1011
01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:16.720
what happens? So he goes back
in time and they're plane crashes and they

1012
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:23.399
die and they meet Archimedes and then
well does he stay or not? And

1013
01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:28.199
they're like, well those last movie
and well maybe, and it's like,

1014
01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:32.039
just make a fucking decision here,
and they don't even they make a decision,

1015
01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:35.760
and then they don't let the character
get the decision that they made.

1016
01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:41.560
They go the character is going to
make a decision. Bop du sex fist

1017
01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:46.199
to the fucking face. And it's
like, and that is a better way

1018
01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:50.359
of doing this how than actually earning
your ending. I loved it when they

1019
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:54.880
get there Archimedes. They just happened
to be right the fuck where Archimedes is

1020
01:09:54.920 --> 01:09:58.680
walking around one But the other thing
was is that was I wrong on this?

1021
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:02.319
Like I felt like there was an
location and it's that trope thing where

1022
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:06.359
Archimedes doesn't realize that he's going to
make this thing until he sees theirs.

1023
01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:11.000
But if any and if that's I
like that kind of trope. But the

1024
01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:13.560
problem here is if he died at
that battle, how would that have ever

1025
01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:16.600
happened? I mean, even if
it's changed now, if in the original

1026
01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:19.600
timeline, he wouldn't have known until
that. How would that even be possible.

1027
01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:23.399
The other thing is we talked about
how no one seems to know exactly

1028
01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:26.520
how the dial works, but he
looks at it and instantly knows, like

1029
01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:30.359
I don't know it. It was
fascinating to me that aspect. The whole

1030
01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:32.119
movie just seems really sloppy. Some
of it. I had fun with its

1031
01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:35.960
sloppiness. Your wife brought up a
really good point. My wife was also

1032
01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:39.840
bringing up when when he goes to
the airport, she's like, wait,

1033
01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:43.640
aren't the cops looking for him for
murder? And then when they're doing the

1034
01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:46.600
whole map with the dot stuff later
on, she raises up her hand in

1035
01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:50.720
the theater and does the fingers mean
the money thing, And she's like,

1036
01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:54.159
where are they getting all the money
to pay for these trips? And I

1037
01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:56.840
was like, because he lives in
a huvel, it's not like he's got

1038
01:10:56.920 --> 01:11:00.159
a money belt. When he leaves
the house, he has no ideas to

1039
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:03.359
be going on an adventure. At
this point, Stala gave him some money.

1040
01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:06.880
That's what. Oh, that's what. Let's compare the scene of the

1041
01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:11.279
kind of the tomb rating, because
we get a little bit of tomb rating

1042
01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:13.479
in this movie. We got some
in the fourth movie as well, when

1043
01:11:13.479 --> 01:11:18.439
they're looking for the tomb of oh
whoever, whoever has the skull buried under

1044
01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:23.039
his chest and the thing with the
tilting plate. It's actually kind of fun.

1045
01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:26.840
The third movie, I guess you
could consider the third act the tomb

1046
01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:30.159
rating thing or the part with these
a little in Venice as well, right,

1047
01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:33.199
the thing with the rats, and
then the thing in the palace in

1048
01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:36.720
Indy two and then the Well of
Souls thing. For me, this was

1049
01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:41.119
the best part of the movie because
it was kind of the most like Indiana

1050
01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:44.279
Jones of the things that we see. And you don't have to have Harrison

1051
01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:46.800
for doing a lot in these scenes
compared to him, like rolling around on

1052
01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:50.479
top of a fucking train or jumping
out of an airplane with hair shoots,

1053
01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:54.960
all sorts of things that no like, you know, Timothy Nolton was doing

1054
01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:59.640
in Living Daylights and now Indiana Jones
is doing in this movie. But the

1055
01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:02.119
face that I will say though,
because the tomb rating scene has the thing

1056
01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:05.640
that you mentioned Andy in it,
they're like, oh my god, the

1057
01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:11.520
sarcophagus. It has an eagle,
right with propellers on it. I'm like,

1058
01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:15.399
oh no, it's doing that thing
that so many time travel things do

1059
01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:18.640
where it's like, wait, he
has the watch on his arm that Jurgen

1060
01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:24.039
Vollers watch and it's like, oh
no, movie like, so they're going

1061
01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:27.920
to travel back in time. The
movie is telegraphing what it's gonna do twenty

1062
01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:31.279
minutes before it does it, and
it's just I don't know's it takes the

1063
01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:34.359
wind out of what ends up happening, because what ends up like, if

1064
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:38.000
you don't spoil it, it actually
is kind of interesting, but if you

1065
01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:41.760
tell the audience what's about to happen, like with characters going look at this

1066
01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:45.079
thing. It has propellers like an
air. I thought it was some low

1067
01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:48.079
budget looking tomb rating too, because
until they get to the actual room where

1068
01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:51.399
the coffin is like, you've got
this ten minutes to them going through this

1069
01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:55.399
really narrow space that looked like it
could have been a sound set or something

1070
01:12:55.640 --> 01:12:58.720
like a sound stage, and it
looks like shit, and then all of

1071
01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:03.319
a sudden it's' know, it just
looked and all of a sudden there's like,

1072
01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:06.439
you know, the fucking bugs on
them and shit, Like I don't

1073
01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:09.880
know. It's just and they were
only in that one area, Like I

1074
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:13.199
thought, this is a perfect place
for a snake, not a bullshit you

1075
01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:15.600
know eel like they use eels.
Oh he looks like a snake. But

1076
01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:18.720
no, I mean because that's the
endy thing, right, like we're gonna

1077
01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:23.399
have a snake reference. No,
there's no snakes, and there's really nothing

1078
01:13:23.479 --> 01:13:27.319
worth the ship until you get there
and then I don't know it just that

1079
01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:30.479
was my thing is I thought this
looks really low budget this particular scene.

1080
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:34.560
Everything else is overdone with CGI and
shit for no particular reason, but this

1081
01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:39.039
it looked like shit to me.
I don't know, if anything. I

1082
01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:43.319
thought they were going to do an
homage to the first three films and do

1083
01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:46.760
here's a room with bugs, here's
a room with rats, and here's a

1084
01:13:46.840 --> 01:13:49.439
room with snakes, like and then
when they went into the one room and

1085
01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:53.720
they're like, oh, well,
this methane which seems to bother Phoebe waller

1086
01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:56.640
Bridge but doesn't seem to bother No, he's just like it's good. He's

1087
01:13:56.680 --> 01:14:00.880
a terminator. Doesn't even like put
a scarf over his face. Nothing.

1088
01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:03.680
He's just like, yeah, he
doesn't cough. She's coughing her head off,

1089
01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:08.319
and eventually he's like, oh,
this guy was all into water displacement,

1090
01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:10.560
and I'm like, oh, yeah, Eureka. And I thought that

1091
01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:13.920
was really funny when he says,
Eureka, when he sees the eighty one

1092
01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:16.600
year old body is immune to nothing. Okay, I'm sorry, but it's

1093
01:14:16.600 --> 01:14:20.039
just like whatever. But I thought
they're going to do this homage and seven

1094
01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:25.479
then of course no. And then
apparently, like you can see stills from

1095
01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:30.640
the trailer, there's a giant of
stone ball that they find at one point

1096
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:34.239
that I think Phoebe Wallbridge releases,
and I was like, okay, yeah,

1097
01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:39.319
they I think they were going for
more of an homage to the earlier

1098
01:14:39.399 --> 01:14:44.119
films, and they trimmed it down
to be just the bugs, which look

1099
01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:46.960
terrible. They all look like gi
bugs now, and I'm like, no,

1100
01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:53.439
they were probably half real in Temple
of Doom. I think unfortunately,

1101
01:14:53.680 --> 01:15:00.640
James Bond and Mission Impossible and a
lot of other franchises action franchises have gone

1102
01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:03.640
the correct route, which is focusing
on doing things practically. I mean,

1103
01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:08.119
look, Tom Cruise is doing a
lot of his own stunts. Daniel Craig

1104
01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:12.159
did a lot of his own stunts
in those Bond movies. But you know

1105
01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:15.600
who didn't do a lot of their
own stunts in those Bond movies was Roger

1106
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:17.560
Moore, late in his tenure in
a View to a Kill, where it's

1107
01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:23.600
every shot of a person doing something
is a body double or a stunt man,

1108
01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:29.279
and then close up shots of him
being James Bond are just him Roger

1109
01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:32.399
Moore. And this is what this
felt like. It has that weird disconnect,

1110
01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:35.119
you know. In Lord of the
Rings, which we've kind of already

1111
01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:43.520
mentioned, Peter Jackson is the god
of making disparate things that shouldn't work work,

1112
01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:47.560
like the fact that they're filming with
small actors, using masks, using

1113
01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:53.319
force, perspective, all of those
things in multiple times. They're using multiple

1114
01:15:53.359 --> 01:15:58.319
things in multiple scenes and it all
works together and it never looks cheap or

1115
01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:03.039
shoddily put together. And here to
your point, Andy, everything looks really

1116
01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:09.520
shodily put together and cheap. And
they spent like three hundred million dollars on

1117
01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:14.439
this movie. And I just don't
understand. If you know your actor can't

1118
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:18.800
do things, why do you do
this thing again that requires him to do

1119
01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:23.760
things? Why not have him beat
again? I'm not advocating for this,

1120
01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:27.640
but why not have just killed him
off like they did with Han Solo and

1121
01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:31.359
have that be half of the movie
is then them coming to terms with the

1122
01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:35.319
death of Indiana Jones and avenging his
death like I just because then you free

1123
01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:42.720
up a lot of space and room
to actually do things believably as opposed to

1124
01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:46.359
doing a lot of the things in
CGI and again all those other action franchises

1125
01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:50.479
that I mentioned, they are really
committed to doing things practically, and it

1126
01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:57.560
shows, it really shows that Indiana
Jones one, two, and three really

1127
01:16:57.720 --> 01:17:00.680
were committed to it, because again
they also came before time where it was

1128
01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:05.159
as prevalent as it is now.
But now it just feels like a bacsimile

1129
01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:10.279
of something that we grew up loving, just with all of the love and

1130
01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:13.199
fun kind of drained out of it, and not in the way that four

1131
01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:17.520
was just goofy and dumb. This
movie just feels kind of decisions being made

1132
01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:21.199
by committee, which I think is
like a Marvel movie or a Star Wars

1133
01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:27.479
movie. At this point, I
think that Laura Croft really eight Indiana Jones's

1134
01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:31.319
lunch while he was away from the
table, because I kept thinking of the

1135
01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:36.840
two earlier Laura Croft movies and the
one that came out just a few years

1136
01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:42.039
ago, and I was thinking that
I liked the tomb rerading in those better

1137
01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:45.159
than I liked the tomb reading in
this one. A lot of the stuff

1138
01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:48.479
in this felt derivative of things in
those, and so I just was like,

1139
01:17:48.560 --> 01:17:51.039
oh, yeah, no, Like
I want to see more of the

1140
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:55.560
water displacement thing, all of the
puzzles, all of those things that you

1141
01:17:55.680 --> 01:17:58.399
need to do, Like, Okay, great, there's a crescent up on

1142
01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:00.760
the rock, so let's go up
here rather then go through this entrance.

1143
01:18:01.239 --> 01:18:04.239
But then once you get inside of
those caves, it gets really confusing,

1144
01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:09.079
and there's no sense of geography.
There's no I have no idea how long

1145
01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:13.239
they're traveling. That the bad guys
can show up wherever they want to.

1146
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:16.720
As far as I know, they
don't have teleportation powers, but it definitely

1147
01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:23.600
feels that way. The death of
that one giant guy seems really horrific to

1148
01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:28.800
me. That kid handcuffs him to
the gate underground and he drowns. I

1149
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:33.560
was kind of horrified by that.
I'd much rather have my villains get their

1150
01:18:33.640 --> 01:18:38.720
faces chopped off by propeller blades or
get shot in the in the heart or

1151
01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:43.880
something. My god, that was
really warm bed that was dark. The

1152
01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:48.159
weaponization of the mcguffin is you know, there there isn't any because it's a

1153
01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:54.159
time travel device, you know,
like the Holy Grail allows Julian Glover to

1154
01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:58.920
quickly age and like oh okay,
like makes perfect sense. Like and the

1155
01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:01.000
thing with Kate Blanche, you know, she gets so much knowledge that her

1156
01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:05.439
brain can't contain it and her head
explodes, like makes sense in this it's

1157
01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:12.640
what yeah, And there and there's
Mad's Michelson just like his head on a

1158
01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:17.840
rock, like with his face burned. It's so it's so unfulfilling, like

1159
01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:21.720
and look, here's the thing.
In another role that Mads Michelson had where

1160
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:28.600
he played a villain in Casino Royal, you could almost compare how he's treated

1161
01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:33.760
there and here simultaneously, because that
has a rather anticlimactic and to his character

1162
01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:39.800
in that movie. But I wouldn't
consider that death ignominious. I would consider

1163
01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:43.159
in this movie the villain's death is
so ignominious. It's like, what was

1164
01:19:43.239 --> 01:19:45.920
why was he even in this?
Because ultimately, you know, this movie

1165
01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:49.359
has the biggest criticism that can be
leveled against it is. Remember in Readers

1166
01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:53.279
Who Lost Art in Deiana, Jones
didn't do anything, the Nazis would have

1167
01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:57.239
killed themselves. Well yes and no, but the Nazis would have still had

1168
01:19:57.319 --> 01:20:00.560
the arc, So yeah, someone
needed to be there to take it away.

1169
01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:04.159
In this it's like if they if
he had just let them be,

1170
01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:10.960
they would have gone through time eight
shit, and then what like he didn't

1171
01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:14.039
need to be there at all at
all this time is what I'm getting at,

1172
01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:16.920
And I just kept thinking of other
time travel movies I can't remember.

1173
01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:20.880
I don't think Chris, you were
on the tomorrow I'll wake up and scald

1174
01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:29.439
myself with tea episode where it's three
basically ex Nazis that are living in rio

1175
01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:34.720
higher plane or hire a time travel
machine and they want to go back and

1176
01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:40.520
give Hitler a nuclear bomb near the
end of the war when things have taken

1177
01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:44.239
a bad turn for Hitler, and
at one point they go back and they

1178
01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:46.840
think that they're in one year,
but they're actually another year. And I'm

1179
01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:50.319
just like, yeah, that was
a much better movie than when I'm watching

1180
01:20:50.439 --> 01:20:55.640
here with Matts Michelson suddenly revealing his
plan here of I'm going to go back

1181
01:20:55.720 --> 01:20:59.239
and out, Hitler, Hitler.
The other one that I kept thinking of

1182
01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:02.720
is a movie that I liked up
until the very end of it, which

1183
01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:06.920
was Days of Future Past, the
X Men movie, where when Logan wakes

1184
01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:12.000
up at the end, everything seems
to be normal and good and all this,

1185
01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:15.399
and I'm just like, wait,
no, things have changed, like

1186
01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:19.560
you, things that you were doing
have changed where we're at, like everything's

1187
01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:23.880
good now, Like everything's fine.
And that was totally the end of this

1188
01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:27.960
movie, where he just wakes up
and it's like, oh, everybody's good

1189
01:21:28.039 --> 01:21:30.119
now, all right, but you
know, but MUD's still dead. I

1190
01:21:30.279 --> 01:21:35.520
cannot believe that the climax of this
movie is decided against the character's wishes in

1191
01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:41.640
a way, like Indiana Jones dying
in the past. It could have worked,

1192
01:21:42.279 --> 01:21:45.239
like I look, I think it
could have, as much as I

1193
01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:48.000
don't want to see Indiana Jones die, Like he's effectively dead as a character

1194
01:21:48.039 --> 01:21:51.520
anyways, because they're not doing anything
else. So yes, he survived in

1195
01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:57.760
the final closing minutes of his story, but to what end, even ostensibly

1196
01:21:57.800 --> 01:22:00.359
if you were like, well,
Indiana Jones in twenty twenty three, long

1197
01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:03.680
fucking dead, that's what he is. Because he would be like a hundred

1198
01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:08.960
something now so AND's and that's the
problem ultimately with all these movies that they

1199
01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:13.239
had to set it in sixty nine
because Harrison Ford is I gonna say,

1200
01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:15.399
unforeseeably old. But he's so old
that you can't cover up how old he

1201
01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:18.520
is anymore. Like when four came
out, it's like, oh, he's

1202
01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:24.479
kind of he looks seventy. Yeah
he's seventy, but he looks nam late

1203
01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:27.159
fifties, early sixties, because again
he's an actor and he takes good care

1204
01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:30.239
of himself like he can. But
here it's like the guy is so old

1205
01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:32.880
that we can't cover up the fact
that he's old, which means the action

1206
01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:36.960
has to be what it ends up
being. And because of that we have

1207
01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:41.119
a movie that's it's climax is like
I want to stay in the past.

1208
01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:44.760
No, you don't bang the end. I really would have liked to have

1209
01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:49.760
had more of a conversation rather than
them just yelling in ancient Greek. Too.

1210
01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:55.880
This befuddled Archimedes, And of course
I keep thinking of Socrates from Bill

1211
01:22:55.960 --> 01:23:00.720
and Ted's Excellent Adventure too. And
I'm waiting for you know, all we

1212
01:23:00.920 --> 01:23:06.319
are is dust and the wind.
Dude for a time travel movie, because

1213
01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:11.960
this now is an Indiana Jones movie
that's time travel. It wastes every opportunity

1214
01:23:12.039 --> 01:23:15.000
to do anything with it other than
the one thing it does and again notes

1215
01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:18.560
the stack deck. Okay, that's
really boring. Yeah, I get that

1216
01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:21.760
it's kind of a trope now that
the thing can only do it once.

1217
01:23:23.239 --> 01:23:27.359
I mean again, the arc,
the grail, the stones, the skull.

1218
01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:30.039
But you want to do something different, dude, don't do that,

1219
01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:32.680
then do something else, like have
them fucking with the time travel thing and

1220
01:23:32.800 --> 01:23:35.880
him going back and forward in time
over and over again. Like if you're

1221
01:23:35.960 --> 01:23:40.520
gonna do it, dged Indiana Jones. Anyways, why not just go full

1222
01:23:40.600 --> 01:23:45.439
fucking hog. I just don't understand, or have him interact with his younger

1223
01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:49.479
self again. I don't get why
they passed up all these opportunities given what

1224
01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:53.600
the budget of this movie is.
Because guys, this movie's budget is like

1225
01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:58.039
three hundred million dollars. It's one
of the most expensive movies ever made.

1226
01:23:58.439 --> 01:24:00.960
When we talk about the better time
travel movies, which is most of them,

1227
01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:05.520
their budgets were so much smaller.
And what's crazy to me is there

1228
01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:09.880
was a time when we thought,
you know, Batman for fifty million dollars

1229
01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:13.680
was an outrageous budget. Now we're
looking at three hundred million. And yeah,

1230
01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:15.079
you have an account for you know, the time and stuff, but

1231
01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:17.359
you look at like, you know, different kinds of movies. But I

1232
01:24:17.439 --> 01:24:20.119
was thinking of this, you know, like movies like The Godfather when you're

1233
01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:24.920
going way back, but it's still
proportionally nowhere close to what three hundred million

1234
01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:27.359
dollars would have been, or even
something like Pulp Fiction, which was like

1235
01:24:27.479 --> 01:24:30.800
seven million you know today proportionally still
nowhere close to three hundred million. Those

1236
01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:33.960
are better movies. And the point
I wanted to make that I thought was

1237
01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:38.399
interesting, and it's always been that
way, is that great filmmakers have to

1238
01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:41.199
find ways to work around a budget. Right, if you only have so

1239
01:24:41.319 --> 01:24:44.119
much money, you have to find
a way to make that budget work.

1240
01:24:44.199 --> 01:24:45.079
And it seems like a lot of
times they have to come up with more

1241
01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:49.119
creative things to make that work.
And in the opposite way, it seems

1242
01:24:49.119 --> 01:24:54.159
like when you have three hundred million
dollars, your creativity seems to go right

1243
01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:57.760
out the window. And it's been
that way with most of these gigantic budget

1244
01:24:57.880 --> 01:25:01.479
movies. It's interesting to me because
it's like, here's money, we don't

1245
01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:06.680
need any intelligent anything, We'll rely
on CGI everything. I don't know,

1246
01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:10.479
it's just it was just a thought
I had though that it seems like so

1247
01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:14.479
many great movies are made with no
budget, and these movies suck for three

1248
01:25:14.600 --> 01:25:18.479
hundred million time Crimes, which cost
probably two hundred dollars. Right, absolutely,

1249
01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:24.399
it is one of the best time
travel movies ever, even something like

1250
01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:28.279
Endgame. Right, Okay, so
the budget of Endgame was three hundred and

1251
01:25:28.319 --> 01:25:31.359
fifty six million dollars. I could
actually see where the budget of that movie

1252
01:25:31.399 --> 01:25:36.640
went. I'm not even sure where
the budget of this movie went three three

1253
01:25:36.720 --> 01:25:41.520
hundred million dollars. I mean there
was a massive advertising campaign. Does that

1254
01:25:41.640 --> 01:25:44.119
include in the three hundred million,
because at least I could see where that

1255
01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:45.640
went. It didn't help, but
I can see where that went. But

1256
01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:51.600
nothing in the movie other than a
ridiculous amount of CGI speaks three hundred million

1257
01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:56.520
to me. And it's not for
acting, because most of these actors they're

1258
01:25:56.560 --> 01:25:59.439
not three hundred million dollar actors.
I mean, you're belis your biggest actor

1259
01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:02.800
is going to be Harrison Forward.
I mean, come on, and then

1260
01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:09.039
not shooting on location. I mean, the New York stuff is definitely just

1261
01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:13.159
all the lot kind of stuff.
I mean, and the camera is set

1262
01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:16.079
up I think, exactly the same
place for both when he walks out to

1263
01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:19.920
go to work and then also when
the Sala walks out with the kids to

1264
01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:26.319
go get ice cream, it just
seemed so yeah, cheap in so many

1265
01:26:26.399 --> 01:26:29.600
ways. Did somebody walk around with
a walk out with a hundred million in

1266
01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:34.399
their pocket? This is the budget
of four again two thousand and eight,

1267
01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:39.640
the budget of four was one hundred
and eighty five million. I genuinely don't

1268
01:26:39.720 --> 01:26:44.319
understand, because to learn, I
didn't realize going into the movie that it

1269
01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:49.720
was such an expensive movie. And
frankly now it makes me kind of more

1270
01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:55.840
perturbed at this movie because for this
movie to be three hundred million dollars,

1271
01:26:56.479 --> 01:27:00.039
there should be more. There should
be more things. The action should have

1272
01:27:00.159 --> 01:27:03.960
been good, the action should have
been compelling, anything should have been compelling,

1273
01:27:04.079 --> 01:27:08.560
because the only things that are compelling, I guess, are what Harrison

1274
01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:12.840
Ford doing Indiana Jones one more time
in a version of Indiana Jones we've never

1275
01:27:12.920 --> 01:27:16.479
seen before. I don't yet what
the point of the movie ultimately is because

1276
01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:20.680
even at the end of the movie, they looney tunes themselves out of existence,

1277
01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:25.239
and it's like, what is Is
this the end? Or is there

1278
01:27:25.319 --> 01:27:28.359
more to come? Like, I
just don't understand because you said there's no

1279
01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:31.279
more. Oh that's stupid. Yeah, the hat being pulled off the line,

1280
01:27:31.920 --> 01:27:42.199
I was surprised there wasn't nan good
bye folks like and then he speeds

1281
01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:45.000
off into the distance, like,
I just don't understand. Was who was

1282
01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:48.479
this for? And if whoever it
was Ford, did they enjoy it?

1283
01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:54.199
And I just died. The amount
of people that saw this movie feels like

1284
01:27:54.279 --> 01:27:59.000
it just for James Mangold. I
mean, really, I don't imagine James

1285
01:27:59.079 --> 01:28:00.920
Mangold had a good time. I'm
on this movie. I just have a

1286
01:28:01.039 --> 01:28:05.279
feeling that he didn't have a nice
time because he was probably answering to a

1287
01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:10.760
lot of executives on this right,
That's what it feels like. Like the

1288
01:28:10.880 --> 01:28:14.560
third act of this movie is the
Worst Offender, But it feels like a

1289
01:28:14.680 --> 01:28:17.960
film by committee. They were like, well, we like maybe James Mangold

1290
01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:23.239
and David Kapp and some of the
other folks fought for Harrison Ford to stay

1291
01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:26.800
in the past. Maybe they fought
for it. Maybe they fought what I

1292
01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:29.439
would consider to be the good fight. If you're making this kind of movie

1293
01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:31.800
and you're addressing this kind of thing, which is he wants to be part

1294
01:28:31.880 --> 01:28:35.800
of the past. He spent his
entire life chasing the past, and now

1295
01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:41.319
he can be there, which is
like a thing that almost seems impossible in

1296
01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:45.680
the context of this time travel feels
almost like a bridge too far. But

1297
01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:49.960
yet he's there and he's in the
past. So why go all the way

1298
01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:54.680
and not give him that? That
would have been almost poetic, It really

1299
01:28:54.720 --> 01:28:57.039
would have. At the time,
I was like, don't end this way,

1300
01:28:57.079 --> 01:28:59.119
And then when we ended with what
we ended with, I think I

1301
01:28:59.239 --> 01:29:00.439
was thinking, no, go back
and end with that. It's like,

1302
01:29:00.600 --> 01:29:04.119
you have this opportunity to say,
well, you know, I've ruined my

1303
01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:08.720
life where I live now, and
my only option is maybe to go back

1304
01:29:08.800 --> 01:29:12.920
and live a life somewhere else and
maybe leave a note for my future self,

1305
01:29:13.359 --> 01:29:15.840
and like there you go, and
you know, you could then have

1306
01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:19.560
a Phoebe waller Bridge epilogue where in
the future Mutt is still alive or something,

1307
01:29:20.079 --> 01:29:24.319
and that's where that in road is
where it's like, you know,

1308
01:29:24.720 --> 01:29:29.159
Indiana Jones sacrificed himself some mutt could
live type thing and it doesn't even have

1309
01:29:29.239 --> 01:29:31.560
to be life. You could interject
in there, I've ruined this series where

1310
01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:34.600
I live now, and maybe I
could go back. Was that a bridge

1311
01:29:34.640 --> 01:29:39.960
too far? I'm sorry, but
I honestly don't think that James Mangold really

1312
01:29:40.279 --> 01:29:46.159
gets Indiana. Jones was talking about
the whole idea of the Archimedes dial thing,

1313
01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:49.000
and he's talking about like, oh, yeah, I came up with

1314
01:29:49.079 --> 01:29:53.720
that before we even did this because
of time, and it's really about Indie

1315
01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:55.920
getting old and blah blah blah.
And I'm like, Okay, yeah,

1316
01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:59.079
that's good, that all makes sense. I'm with you there. But then

1317
01:29:59.159 --> 01:30:03.000
he talks about how the Arc of
the Covenant, that that was a test

1318
01:30:03.079 --> 01:30:10.079
of Indiana's faith, that he didn't
believe in any sort of spiritualism. That

1319
01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:13.239
there's a bunch of hocus pocus to
him. And I know he talks a

1320
01:30:13.319 --> 01:30:15.159
little bit about hocus pocus, but
when he brings up the Ark of the

1321
01:30:15.239 --> 01:30:19.319
Covenant to those army guys, you
can see the excitement in his face.

1322
01:30:19.399 --> 01:30:24.600
He one percent believes that there is
an arc. It's not like he doesn't

1323
01:30:24.640 --> 01:30:27.720
believe in this thing, and the
way he's just like, didn't you guys

1324
01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:30.920
ever go to Sunday School? I
mean, why when they're talking about Tannis,

1325
01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:32.239
he's just like, oh, Tannis, you know, he's just so

1326
01:30:32.680 --> 01:30:36.680
excited about it. I don't think
that he was testing his faith in that

1327
01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:41.600
movie. I think that James Mangold
is totally off base with that. This

1328
01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:45.439
movie smacks of again, to go
back to James Bond. This smacks of

1329
01:30:45.479 --> 01:30:49.760
what Sam Mendez tried to do with
Skyfall and Specter, where it's like,

1330
01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:57.079
we're gonna have amusing on the character
of James Bond and what really drives him

1331
01:30:57.159 --> 01:31:00.760
and who is he as a man
and what does he do? And it's

1332
01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:03.840
like, you know, I just
want to be this guy for once.

1333
01:31:04.119 --> 01:31:09.960
I don't fucking give a shit if
he's gonna cook breakfast for himself, if

1334
01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:13.000
he's gonna eat a waffle or a
pancake, I give a shit about what

1335
01:31:13.079 --> 01:31:15.119
adventure he's going on, because that's
the way that I can get that.

1336
01:31:15.199 --> 01:31:18.319
We want to have amusing on the
finale of a character, and you want

1337
01:31:18.319 --> 01:31:21.880
to have Phoebe waller Bridge calling him
a tomb raider and a grave Robert I

1338
01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:27.159
seem to remember that in Hungaras you
would accuse of being a grave robber rather

1339
01:31:27.239 --> 01:31:31.800
than an archeologist. Well, the
newspapers greatly exaggerated the incident. And wasn't

1340
01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:35.119
it the Soudan and Madagasvel who threatened
to cut your head off if you ever

1341
01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:38.560
returned to his country? No,
it wasn't my head, Dan, your

1342
01:31:38.600 --> 01:31:45.079
hands. Perhaps it wasn't my hands, it was my I misunderstanding exactly what

1343
01:31:45.239 --> 01:31:48.079
we have here, doctor Jones.
It's fine, you're gonna do that,

1344
01:31:48.520 --> 01:31:51.880
but you don't have to. You
could just make a movie that is in

1345
01:31:51.960 --> 01:31:57.039
the vein of the other movies that
were in the vein of other things intentionally,

1346
01:31:57.319 --> 01:32:00.479
that weren't trying to be some musing
on face or other bullshit. They

1347
01:32:00.520 --> 01:32:03.479
were just action movies. And for
once, I want to be that guy

1348
01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:08.439
to just go they were just fucking
action movies and that's why we loved them,

1349
01:32:08.760 --> 01:32:12.960
not because they were some introspective anything. And then they try to do

1350
01:32:13.079 --> 01:32:15.840
this and it's like, yah's see
what I mean, Like it just doesn't

1351
01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:19.279
really work. I think Mangold's a
darn goood director. I really love what

1352
01:32:19.399 --> 01:32:23.079
he did with Logan, though I
think a lot of that comes from the

1353
01:32:23.279 --> 01:32:28.399
Scott Frank script of Memory Serves,
But I mean Jess Butterworth, his brother

1354
01:32:28.960 --> 01:32:33.359
John Henry. They're really pretty solid
writers as well. David Kepp I have

1355
01:32:33.520 --> 01:32:38.279
some issues with here and there,
not always liking everything that he's done,

1356
01:32:38.319 --> 01:32:44.920
though he's done some great stuff.
Thinking about Indiana with the whip in the

1357
01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:48.319
scene where they're doing the auction and
he brings out the whip and he's whipping

1358
01:32:48.399 --> 01:32:53.399
around and everybody is freaking out,
and then they all pull out guns.

1359
01:32:54.079 --> 01:32:58.560
That's where there needs to be a
punchline, and there really is no punchline.

1360
01:32:58.600 --> 01:33:00.399
Like the punchline, I guess is
the pulling out of the guns,

1361
01:33:00.479 --> 01:33:04.600
but there needs to be something else
after that. And all that happens is

1362
01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:09.319
they just fall to the ground like
he and Phoebe Wallerber is just ducked down.

1363
01:33:09.479 --> 01:33:12.600
I'm like, that's it. That's
your solution to stuff. As they're

1364
01:33:12.600 --> 01:33:15.319
shooting all the guns, You're just
gonna duck down in here. So and

1365
01:33:15.399 --> 01:33:18.640
it worked, and it works,
but that's not the way to end that

1366
01:33:18.920 --> 01:33:23.399
scene. Hey, I did,
but there was one part that I thought

1367
01:33:23.479 --> 01:33:26.640
was fun moving back that I forgot
to mention, and no one else mentioned

1368
01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:30.239
the part when that big gun on
top of the train gets stuck and it

1369
01:33:30.359 --> 01:33:32.479
just keeps firing, and the train
is going around the bend and it's just

1370
01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:36.319
picking off Nazi one by one by
one. I thought that was awesome.

1371
01:33:36.439 --> 01:33:39.800
Now, if anything else in the
movie had been as fun as that,

1372
01:33:39.960 --> 01:33:43.359
I would love this movie anyway.
I just thought that was great. That

1373
01:33:43.640 --> 01:33:46.600
was a really good thing, and
the sound of the gun sounded really good.

1374
01:33:47.319 --> 01:33:50.279
Yeah, and seeing all those Nazis
being picked off, It's always fun

1375
01:33:50.319 --> 01:33:54.399
to watch Nazis get killed. Let's
be honest. This is a pro Nazi

1376
01:33:54.520 --> 01:33:57.279
punching, so I was gonna make
the joke. I almost wondered if the

1377
01:33:57.319 --> 01:34:00.079
reason that this movie is flopping at
the box office because there are now so

1378
01:34:00.199 --> 01:34:03.760
many Nazi sympathizers and they knew that
the Nazis were not going to win,

1379
01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:08.000
therefore they did not want to go. But that is only a theory,

1380
01:34:08.319 --> 01:34:13.199
just like the card game thing,
It's just a theory. There are movie

1381
01:34:13.279 --> 01:34:16.079
fans on both sides. Andy,
do you want to give your final thoughts

1382
01:34:16.159 --> 01:34:19.640
first or should I go mixed bag? I wanted it to be better.

1383
01:34:19.720 --> 01:34:23.920
I liked some of it. Probably
I was a little bit of a stand

1384
01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:27.159
in that. You know, I
talked about the beginning part. It didn't

1385
01:34:27.159 --> 01:34:30.199
really bother me that much. But
like I said, my enthusiasm for the

1386
01:34:30.279 --> 01:34:32.199
movie. I came in with it
super high. I was going to accept

1387
01:34:32.239 --> 01:34:35.079
a lot as long as it didn't
take place in the fridge. But it

1388
01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:38.960
got more and more into the fridge
as it went. I just, I

1389
01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:42.600
don't know, I lost my enthusiasm
and the last third was mostly boring for

1390
01:34:42.720 --> 01:34:45.239
me. Thankfully, this is the
last time that we ever have to talk

1391
01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:50.199
about Indiana Jones. And I say
thankfully only because the final movie I think

1392
01:34:50.359 --> 01:34:56.000
kind of I don't think it did
anything better worse than four in terms of

1393
01:34:56.159 --> 01:34:59.479
leaving the character in a spot that's
interesting. I think four was a little

1394
01:34:59.479 --> 01:35:02.920
bit more of a resounding success in
the terms of how we left to the

1395
01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:05.840
character of Indiana Jones, and that
the journey he goes on, he finds

1396
01:35:05.880 --> 01:35:09.880
out that he's a dad, he
finds out that he has a son that's

1397
01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:13.880
kind of an ass like he is. He reunites with Marian, and he

1398
01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:15.800
saves the day, and you know, John hurts along for the ride.

1399
01:35:16.239 --> 01:35:20.399
And by the end of this movie, sure, I guess Salah and Marian

1400
01:35:20.439 --> 01:35:24.760
are there and they went for ice
cream and who the fuck knows frankly,

1401
01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:30.079
And you know, I as an
Indiana Jones fan who remembers when he was

1402
01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:32.600
too short to go on the ride
at Disneyland when he went when he was

1403
01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:38.720
six, who had a fedora,
who wanted to be an archaeologist, and

1404
01:35:38.760 --> 01:35:43.399
had the Temple a Doom poster in
his room for twelve years, essentially this

1405
01:35:43.680 --> 01:35:46.079
movie. I can't believe it,
but I fell asleep for like two or

1406
01:35:46.119 --> 01:35:50.079
three minutes in this movie when they
were underwater like and I'm ashamed to admit

1407
01:35:50.159 --> 01:35:55.560
it, but for me kind of
speaks to more where I came into this

1408
01:35:55.720 --> 01:36:00.159
movie. After the fourth movie.
I was so jaded that I was not

1409
01:36:00.319 --> 01:36:02.880
excited for this movie. I was
just hoping it wouldn't be an affront,

1410
01:36:03.119 --> 01:36:06.600
And there are some parts that I
enjoyed, but I think ultimately I'm glad

1411
01:36:06.680 --> 01:36:10.720
this is the last time we have
to talk about Indiana Jones. But I'm

1412
01:36:10.760 --> 01:36:13.680
glad that the three of us got
to talk about Raiders at the Lost Dark

1413
01:36:13.760 --> 01:36:17.199
for six hours, which I think, for me is what I will always

1414
01:36:17.239 --> 01:36:20.279
think about when I think of this
movie. Is the reading of the Lost

1415
01:36:20.359 --> 01:36:26.399
Dark as opposed to the Dial of
Destiny, ultimately being kind of the worst

1416
01:36:26.439 --> 01:36:29.520
of all. Five. The best
part of the movie was us getting to

1417
01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:31.720
talk about it. It was good
seeing you guys again. I'm not that

1418
01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:36.640
huge of a fan of Last Crusade, but them riding off into the sunset

1419
01:36:38.159 --> 01:36:44.279
was the way to end this whole
franchise that hits me more emotionally than anything

1420
01:36:44.920 --> 01:36:46.960
four or five ever did. And
I think I read on the ring or

1421
01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:53.039
they were like four and five or
less sequels and more epilogus to the first

1422
01:36:53.079 --> 01:36:58.000
three unneeded epilogus unfortunately. And you
know, I refer to this entertainment weekly

1423
01:36:58.079 --> 01:37:00.199
that I had as a kid in
the late early two thousands, and it

1424
01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:03.880
was all about sequels and things in
development. Hell, and they talked about

1425
01:37:04.039 --> 01:37:10.039
Indiana Jones four And to think that
we now have Indiana Jones five to if

1426
01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:12.600
I could go back and tell myself
then, like you're not only going to

1427
01:37:12.640 --> 01:37:15.479
get four, but you're also gonna
get five. Like it's still crazy.

1428
01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:20.800
I can't believe that it happened,
But like, please stop with these sequels.

1429
01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:25.800
We like we need to start doing, we need to start understanding the

1430
01:37:26.079 --> 01:37:30.000
top culture things that people used to
get animated about don't do it for people

1431
01:37:30.039 --> 01:37:33.119
anymore. And if you want to
make money in this show business, you

1432
01:37:33.279 --> 01:37:36.159
gotta stop going back to the well
because I think it's dry. You know

1433
01:37:36.239 --> 01:37:39.199
what I think we should do,
guys. We should all just take a

1434
01:37:39.279 --> 01:37:45.119
vacation to a beach in Hawaii and
start pitching ideas. Yeah, all right,

1435
01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:47.840
I got this guy, Indiana Smith. They wouldn't let us make an

1436
01:37:47.840 --> 01:37:55.439
Indiana Jones movies, so we're gonna
make our Yeah, yeah, Do you

1437
01:37:55.560 --> 01:37:58.439
remember Mike White. At the end
of the nineties one we were going to

1438
01:37:58.520 --> 01:38:01.920
do that book on the unproduced Screenplays, and there were a shit load of

1439
01:38:02.119 --> 01:38:08.319
Indiana Jones screenplays, which all got
obviously crammed into the last movie before this.

1440
01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:11.439
But I just thought of that that
was great, And at the time

1441
01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:14.479
we were like, these are so
weird ideas, you know, and now

1442
01:38:14.640 --> 01:38:17.640
here we are, and I wish
they'd maybe made those instead of these movies.

1443
01:38:18.880 --> 01:38:25.000
I much rather would have had a
monkey that has a peach pit that

1444
01:38:25.279 --> 01:38:29.319
makes you immortal. That would have
been pretty great. I mean again,

1445
01:38:29.399 --> 01:38:31.479
I come back to the Indiana Jones
video games that I played as a kid.

1446
01:38:31.560 --> 01:38:35.600
Fate of Atlantis. Fucking the other
one, the one where it's like

1447
01:38:35.760 --> 01:38:40.199
in China and it takes place right
before Temple of Doom, Like fuck,

1448
01:38:40.560 --> 01:38:44.600
just just don't don't do this this
I don't know, like you know what

1449
01:38:44.720 --> 01:38:48.119
a Mummy was the best Indiana Jones
sequel. Fucking fight me on that one.

1450
01:38:48.199 --> 01:38:51.079
Guys, Come on, you know
how bad these are? Is it?

1451
01:38:51.159 --> 01:38:55.319
Atari? I'm going back here?
Atari twenty six hundred had the Raiders

1452
01:38:55.359 --> 01:38:58.119
of the Lost Art game, which
was awful. I mean it was terrible

1453
01:38:58.279 --> 01:39:00.039
and I played the shit out of
that and it was so bad, and

1454
01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:04.479
yet it was better than these movies. James Mangold, it's all good,

1455
01:39:04.760 --> 01:39:09.680
It's all yeah, you know what
et this this makes this is like et

1456
01:39:10.039 --> 01:39:14.239
It's just like there's a bridge too
far. Thank you so much Chris and

1457
01:39:14.319 --> 01:39:18.880
Andrew, who have been with me
on this incredibly long journey talking about Raiders

1458
01:39:18.960 --> 01:39:23.439
of the Lost Dark. It's taken
a year almost for us to put this

1459
01:39:23.560 --> 01:39:27.279
together, which is kind of wild. But thank you Chris for reminding me

1460
01:39:27.439 --> 01:39:30.760
that there was a fifth Indiana Jones
movie. It's like, Mike, why

1461
01:39:30.800 --> 01:39:34.640
are we doing what are you doing
this for something? Thank you guys for

1462
01:39:34.760 --> 01:39:39.119
putting up with me. I was
late to twice I think on this.

1463
01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:44.079
Thank you guys both. This was
so much fun. We expect nothink less

1464
01:39:44.079 --> 01:39:49.960
of Spielbergieber the Spielbergie and the Spielbergie. And so, Chris, what is

1465
01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:54.760
happening with you lately? Sir?
Not a whole lot, just not going

1466
01:39:54.840 --> 01:39:58.239
to the movies, not seeing new
movies, but talking about movies on the

1467
01:39:58.319 --> 01:40:01.520
Culture Cast, which you can find
over weirdingwaymedia dot Com, along with the

1468
01:40:01.880 --> 01:40:08.079
aforementioned reading of The Lost Dark on
the Projection Booth, RSS feed, or

1469
01:40:08.319 --> 01:40:11.479
plenty of other things like Andy and
I did an episode on Fear and Loathing

1470
01:40:11.479 --> 01:40:14.640
in Las Vegas a couple months back, which was a fun one. So

1471
01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:17.159
that's where you can find all the
things that I work on Weirdingwaymedia dot Com.

1472
01:40:18.039 --> 01:40:20.840
And Andy, you always give me
a run for my money when it

1473
01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:25.680
comes to being busy. What is
going on with you these days? So

1474
01:40:25.800 --> 01:40:28.720
I'll just cut it down to three
books. I've got two that just came

1475
01:40:28.800 --> 01:40:31.039
out and one that's coming out.
The two that just came out, one

1476
01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:34.199
is a novel which is a sequel
of my novel Layliss Score, which is

1477
01:40:34.239 --> 01:40:39.880
called Layliss gone, but moviewise.
I just had the book on Watermelon Man

1478
01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:44.840
come out. It's called Melvin Van
Peebles Watermelon Man. And the other thing

1479
01:40:45.119 --> 01:40:47.520
is I have the oral History of
the Room finally coming out in December.

1480
01:40:48.039 --> 01:40:50.960
Very proud of both of those.
Beyond that, I've got a couple of

1481
01:40:50.960 --> 01:40:56.720
books in the future that I'm working
on for Applause books, Gay and if

1482
01:40:56.760 --> 01:40:59.560
I live long enough, they will
get finished and it will be great times

1483
01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:01.359
for all of them. Well,
thank you so much guys for being on

1484
01:41:01.439 --> 01:41:04.680
the show. Thanks everybody for listening
again. If you want to hear more

1485
01:41:04.680 --> 01:41:06.880
of me shooting off my mouth,
check out some of the other shows that

1486
01:41:06.920 --> 01:41:12.840
I work on, like Chris,
they are all available on Weirdingwaymedia dot com.

1487
01:41:13.239 --> 01:41:15.399
Thanks especially to our Patreon community.
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1488
01:41:15.520 --> 01:41:19.520
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1489
01:41:19.600 --> 01:41:21.600
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