1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:14,240 And now Audio Theater Central. Hello, welcome to Audio Theater Central. This 2 00:00:14,359 --> 00:00:19,359 is the show that explores family friendly audio drama through news, reviews and interviews. 3 00:00:19,839 --> 00:00:23,480 I'm your host, JD. Sutter, and this is episode one hundred 4 00:00:23,519 --> 00:00:28,039 and eighty three. Thank you so much for joining me for this episode. 5 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,439 We've got some audio drama updates to get to here very shortly, and then 6 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:40,200 I will be joined by ATC contributor Michael Schrader to review Adventures Not a C 7 00:00:40,439 --> 00:00:45,679 album seventy three twenty eight hours. That is going to be a really fun 8 00:00:45,719 --> 00:00:50,320 discussion, So that's coming up. But before that, I'm going to just 9 00:00:50,439 --> 00:00:59,159 talk very briefly in a monologue segment about gratitude. So let's jump right into 10 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,320 the dates. We had er up this program to bring you a special report 11 00:01:03,679 --> 00:01:07,719 and in other news tonight, a brief look at the headlines. Now they 12 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:14,560 want exciting, fast piece news it's relevant and entertaining like this. Well, 13 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:19,719 first off is just a brief clarification or correction. I mentioned in episode one 14 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:26,079 eighty one, the episode where we talked about audio drama and audiobook hybrids with 15 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:33,040 Kenney Sargent. In that episode, I had mentioned the new show that it'll 16 00:01:33,079 --> 00:01:37,560 be coming from Chad Bennati, And as we were talking about that, I 17 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:45,680 referenced his work on Drake the Cosmic Copper for Adventures Odyssey and how he had 18 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:53,439 worked with them on the comics version of that character. And I don't remember 19 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:59,200 exactly how I phrased things, but Chad hit me up and said he wanted 20 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:04,120 to make it clear that he was not the creator of that character and he 21 00:02:04,439 --> 00:02:09,759 didn't work on the audio show, and so I wasn't trying to misrepresent anything, 22 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:15,560 but I wanted to make sure that it was clear. Bob whose was 23 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:20,719 the one who originally came up with the idea of Drake, and he did 24 00:02:20,759 --> 00:02:25,000 the audio episode. Chad was brought in to work on the comics version, 25 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:31,400 which he based on the original audio script, and then he fleshed out things 26 00:02:31,439 --> 00:02:36,680 a little bit more to work in the medium of comics. But we just 27 00:02:36,719 --> 00:02:38,639 wanted to make sure that was clear. So everybody's getting credit where or that 28 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,960 is due. If you have been listening to the show for any length of 29 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,439 time, you know that that is a big thing for us. We always 30 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:50,120 want to make sure that the proper people are getting credit for the work that 31 00:02:50,199 --> 00:02:54,159 they do. So I just wanted to make sure that that was clear and 32 00:02:54,439 --> 00:03:00,039 moving on another follow up, and this one from the last episode eighty two. 33 00:03:00,599 --> 00:03:06,479 In the feedback segment, I addressed some feedback from a Thad and he 34 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,960 had talked about the change dot org petition that he had started to get Focused 35 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:15,599 on the Family to relaunch the radio theater series, and I thought that was 36 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:20,560 a great idea, and I pretty sure that I mentioned that it's probably a 37 00:03:20,599 --> 00:03:24,520 good idea to also reach out to Focus directly in addition to signing the petition, 38 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:30,479 which I have done. I have signed that and so it's linked in 39 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,400 the show notes. If you missed that episode and you hadn't had a chance 40 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:38,400 to do that, definitely go do that. But Fad also reached out to 41 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,960 David Hildover at the AIO Update website, and now David has gotten involved in 42 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:49,639 this effort and they are really trying to encourage folks to not just sign the 43 00:03:49,639 --> 00:03:53,360 petition, but also to write into Focus as well, and they're doing that 44 00:03:53,680 --> 00:04:00,000 through postcards. And so we've got this campaign going of trying to encourage people 45 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:05,000 to just write a quick postcard and send it into Focus. And so I 46 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,360 just wanted to make sure to share this update encourage you to do that. 47 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,479 I'm planning to get my postcard out here in the mail very soon, so 48 00:04:14,599 --> 00:04:16,800 all the details where to send it and who to address it to. All 49 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,199 of that information is in the article that is linked in the show notes here, 50 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:28,480 so definitely get involved. I don't know how many people have taken them 51 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,199 up on this challenge yet, but as I said in the last episode, 52 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:40,120 I really think it's going to take some tangible evidence that people really want this 53 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:46,199 and are willing to support the product for Focus to take some action. The 54 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,319 petition on change dot org is great. That does show that people are interested, 55 00:04:50,399 --> 00:04:55,800 but sometimes you've got to actually take a little bit of an additional step 56 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,199 and get out from behind the computer or the phone and actually do something the 57 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:02,879 real world to make a difference. So hey, yeah, that could go 58 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,879 on a lot of different directions, not just for audio drama, but anyway, 59 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,959 that is. That is the update on this, and so again link 60 00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:15,399 is in the show notes to find all the details on where to get your 61 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:20,720 postcard out too, but I would encourage you to do that all right now 62 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:28,680 into the news of upcoming audio drama releases. First up is Glenn haskell Man 63 00:05:28,759 --> 00:05:33,079 This guy has been cranking out the content the last several months, and he 64 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:39,160 has just recently wrapped up the on demand series and now he's working on a 65 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:45,360 Dragnet parody. There will be multiple installments of this show as well, and 66 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:53,040 the first one is called Daniel, Darius and the Den. And I've got 67 00:05:53,079 --> 00:05:57,879 a little teaser for you. This is a few minutes of this upcoming show 68 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,920 from Glenn Haskell. The story you're about to hear is true, well for 69 00:06:02,959 --> 00:06:09,720 the most part. Dragnet Daniel, Darius and the Den. It was Tuesday, 70 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,720 August twelfth, one fifteen pm. It was a hot summer day in 71 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:16,600 Babylon. I had a lunch of astrami on rye and Frank had egg salad 72 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:23,879 on sourdough. We each had soda of an unnamed brand. We aren't being 73 00:06:23,879 --> 00:06:32,199 paid for product placement. Thursday Bublicloure tucked him. What's your name, ma'am 74 00:06:32,439 --> 00:06:39,079 Benise Clovis, And do you want Frank Frank an We'll see about thee. 75 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,680 But do you know his name? Whose name? The man who was recently 76 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:46,000 vacated from his home. Oh, his name is Daniel. No, not 77 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,519 the bagel vendor. No. This was a different Daniel. What happened? 78 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:54,879 Then? What happened? Maybe you missed the fact that Daniel was taken away, 79 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:58,639 so he broke the law. If you call Freya breaking the law, 80 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:05,319 then that effect Daniel broke the law. Am I in a canyon. We 81 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:11,199 checked the police blotter and discovered that Daniel, the second in command and not 82 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,240 the bagel proprietor, had indeed been arrested. So we went to the local 83 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,519 palace and spoke with a certain Nabu, head of human relations. Yeah, 84 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,839 what do your fellow's need? Wait, what department are you with? We're 85 00:07:23,839 --> 00:07:29,000 police professionals. We have some questions, all right. Using open records laws, 86 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,560 we were able to obtain recordings of the government work session that included the 87 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:39,199 signing of the new law. Darius slab forever, that's highly unlikely. I 88 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,000 know, it's what you're expected to say, which, of course is why 89 00:07:43,079 --> 00:07:46,360 we say it. What's on the agenda. There is a ribbon cutting at 90 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:53,360 a Hu's camel detailing and tent repairs. Then Daniel is my second Yunu always 91 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,759 king, benevolent King, honest and esteemed king. I know the sound of 92 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:03,160 groveling when I hear it, and I've heard it. What exactly do you 93 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,560 want? All we ever do? We seek your good, my king nature? 94 00:08:07,639 --> 00:08:13,519 That's special to go on pray to King Darius. He means he this 95 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:20,560 time, those found in violation of this law will face punishment of what did 96 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,519 you used to sign on? By appealing to the King's ego, his advisors 97 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:28,040 got their law passed. All they had to do was wait for Daniel to, 98 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:31,279 in fact break the law they knew he would. Missus Clovis, what 99 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,200 brings you to headquarters? I came named? What bad animal? Heads at 100 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:43,240 temper? Sometimes he spits, what have I done? Excuse me? Huh? 101 00:08:43,639 --> 00:08:46,559 You are not with the media, are you. I'm job Thursday and 102 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,080 I work in the Biblical Investigation Division, currently occupying space in the Babylon d 103 00:08:50,240 --> 00:09:03,159 Row. Oh my goodness. That sounds like it's going to be so much 104 00:09:03,159 --> 00:09:09,399 fun. As a Dragnet fan, I find it absolutely hilarious. The whole 105 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:15,320 vibe of Dragnet is, you know, the cop who's very straight laced and 106 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,960 you know, no nonsense, and so I'm just really excited to hear this 107 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:24,080 final production. It sounds like it's going to be a lot of fun. 108 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:28,960 And you probably heard some familiar voices in there. I didn't actually get a 109 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:33,840 chance to look at the full cast list on this one, but I definitely 110 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:39,840 heard Jonathan Cook in there, and Frank Yuley, and I think there was 111 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:46,200 Rebecca Bradford. The latter two there are from The Nick Guy Show. And 112 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:48,799 I also got to play a small role in this one. I get to 113 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:54,240 play one of the King's advisors. So that was a lot of fun and 114 00:09:54,759 --> 00:10:03,039 new talent to the industry. Nathan Marlette is making his audio drama debut, 115 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:07,559 if I'm not mistaken, so this is gonna be a lot of fun. 116 00:10:07,919 --> 00:10:11,159 Like I said, there will be multiple installments of this, and this first 117 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:16,519 one is a schedule to release on September first, so not too long to 118 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:22,679 wait for this one. Also coming in September is a brand new series from 119 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,240 the Mary Beggars, And if you're not familiar with them, they are the 120 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:33,480 ones who brought us at Christmas Carol, the advent Calendar adaptation of a Christmas 121 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:37,799 Carol a couple of years back, and then they did on the Night Train, 122 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:43,080 and now they are back with a new series called The Saints Adventures of 123 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:48,519 Faith and Courage, and that will be coming in September of twenty twenty three. 124 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,320 It will be a daily show week days, so five days a week 125 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,639 you'll get a brand new episode, and each week will be focusing on the 126 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:03,279 life of a different saint, so for five days you will get a biography 127 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:09,480 told over the course of that week. I don't know exactly how long this 128 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:15,440 series will be running, but they have mentioned several of the saints that they 129 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:20,159 will be covering, and there's quite a few, so interestingly enough, three 130 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,879 of the ones that they've mentioned are ones that Augustine Institute Radio Theater have covered 131 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:35,000 in their really in depth biographies Francis Patrick and most recently Joan, so they're 132 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:39,000 going to be covered in this series from the Mary Bakers. I do believe 133 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:43,879 though, that this series is going to be geared towards more of a younger 134 00:11:43,919 --> 00:11:48,519 audience. I think the air theater productions, while there's certainly not anything in 135 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:54,120 them that is necessarily not great for children to hear, they I don't believe, 136 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,360 at least they don't get the feel to me that they are geared towards 137 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,879 children. It's more towards adults or something that families can listen to together. 138 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:09,919 And I think my understanding. My impression of this series from the Mary Bakers 139 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,879 is that it's going to be more geared towards children. I could be wrong 140 00:12:13,879 --> 00:12:18,159 about that though, but in any case, those will be coming soon, 141 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,480 and I've heard some snippets of what they've got coming and it sounds fairly good. 142 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,320 So I'm excited and looking forward to hearing what they come up with on 143 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:35,039 this series. While speaking of another character that Air Theater has covered, LRT 144 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:41,519 Media and Eternal Future Productions has teamed up to bring a new show about Robin 145 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:50,320 Hood, So I'm really excited to hear what direction Craig Hart and Jonathan Cook 146 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,919 and Alicia Hanson take this character. I also want to let you know that 147 00:12:56,039 --> 00:13:00,799 you need to stay tuned to this podcast because in the new next episode, 148 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,960 Craig Hart will be joining us and he's going to give us an exclusive about 149 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,840 what's coming up on this project and just some insider information that we can only 150 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:16,600 get from the source. So that's something to look forward to on this project. 151 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:22,480 Well, I've already referenced them a couple of times already, but The 152 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:28,440 Air Theater Augustine Institute Radio Theater recently released The Victory of Joan of Arc, 153 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,080 which we mentioned in the past, but just a couple of days ago, 154 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:39,360 the official soundtrack was released from composer Jared Dipasqual and I had a chance to 155 00:13:39,399 --> 00:13:46,039 reach out to get some behind the scenes information from Jared about the composing of 156 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,480 this score and got some comments from director and writer Paul McCusker and sound designer 157 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:56,639 and producer Todd Bustide, as well as Kim flouch House, who was the 158 00:13:56,639 --> 00:14:01,480 flutist that Jared worked with this production. If you haven't heard it yet, 159 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:07,240 the flute is an instrument that is used all throughout the score and it was 160 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,799 part of the character theme for Joan and so there's a link in the show 161 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,200 notes to check out this article. Then I wrote and just to share some 162 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:22,600 information about the behind the scenes, and it's really interesting to get to hear 163 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:26,440 some of that creative process and how Kim and Jared worked together, and how 164 00:14:26,559 --> 00:14:33,279 Jared and Paul worked together, and how it was really a big collaboration between 165 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:41,080 all of these amazing, top notch creatives and Jared took all of these this 166 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:46,919 input and wrote an absolutely beautiful score. And so if you're a fan of 167 00:14:46,919 --> 00:14:52,360 soundtracks like I am, or if you're a musician or composer yourself, you 168 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:56,559 don't want to miss this article. I think you'll really enjoy reading some of 169 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,039 that information about the whole creative process, so be sure to check that out. 170 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,480 And of course there are links to get yourself a copy of the soundtrack 171 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:11,399 as well. It is available on all the major streaming and digital download outlets. 172 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:18,720 All right, This next item is a little bit of here's something that's 173 00:15:18,759 --> 00:15:24,399 coming but is also available as well, and that is the twelve thirty two 174 00:15:24,759 --> 00:15:31,519 production an audio epic from Calli Sue. They just released the first nine episodes 175 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:37,600 to their crowdfunding campaign backers, so if you were one of those, you 176 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:41,039 will have gotten an email with the information on how you can hear those, 177 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:45,840 so it's already out there for you. For the public, it will be 178 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,720 coming soon. So they are working on some of the distribution options that they 179 00:15:50,759 --> 00:15:54,639 have available to them right now, so there will be more information on that 180 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:58,240 coming soon, and of course we will let you know as soon as it 181 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,960 is available for the public, but that should be pretty soon, and so 182 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:10,720 keep an eye or an ear out for twelve thirty two. And lastly, 183 00:16:10,799 --> 00:16:15,240 I just want to mention that in case you missed it. The nominees for 184 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:21,720 the sixth ATC Seneca Awards were announced on July twelfth, and the awards show 185 00:16:21,919 --> 00:16:25,960 is coming up on August twenty fifth, so just a couple of weeks away. 186 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:29,279 Please join us for that. It's going to be a lot of fun. 187 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,159 Right on the Seneca's homepage at the senecas dot org, there will be 188 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:37,159 an audio player. You just click play and it will stream right there for 189 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:41,200 you. There will be a chat room so you can visit with other attendees 190 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:47,840 of the event and Chris Anthony Landsdown. Yes, Chris from Adventures in Odyssey 191 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:53,000 will be speaking at the event, and actor Nato Jacobson as well, so 192 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,480 it's going to be a great show. We're going to announce the winners of 193 00:16:57,519 --> 00:17:03,920 course here from our guest presenters, and we'll have a few little entertainment segments 194 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,400 as well, so you don't want to miss that. That's August twenty fifth 195 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:12,640 at seven pm Pacific, ten pm Eastern. Be sure to join us right 196 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:18,319 there on the Seneca's website. Testing one, two three, Testing that. 197 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,680 Let's just me talking. I do that a lot. Where's my speech? 198 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:26,000 How long are you going to board with it? That's what I want to 199 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,559 talk about. Well, at the top of the show, I said that 200 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:33,759 my monologue was going to be about gratitude, and that was a little bit 201 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:41,400 misleading, and that's just because this segment is all about what I'm thinking right 202 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:48,599 now pertaining to the audio drama industry, and what I'm thinking now is I 203 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:55,799 just want to say thank you and share some gratitude. I don't want to 204 00:17:55,799 --> 00:18:00,680 go into a whole lot of detail, but I've been going through some pretty 205 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:10,119 tough times in my personal life lately and recently the audio drama community stepped up 206 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:17,160 and blessed and encouraged me in a way that absolutely blew my mind. It 207 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:22,519 was one of the one of the nicest things that has ever happened to me 208 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:29,960 in my life. A whole bunch of people sent some very very kind notes 209 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:37,680 that were so so encouraging, and I couldn't think of anything else that I 210 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:44,680 would rather do with this monologue segment in this episode than to just say thank 211 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,599 you. And I know this isn't going to apply to the vast majority of 212 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,440 the audience here, but that's just what I'm feeling right now, so you're 213 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:57,279 going to hear it too. And I don't want to take the time to 214 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:03,240 name every single person, but I just want every one of you to know. 215 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:07,920 I know that many of you are listening to this show, and I 216 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,160 just want you to know that I am so very grateful for the kindness. 217 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:17,640 And I will mention one person in particular, Alicia Hanson of Eternal Future Productions, 218 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,880 and that's because I found out that I'm pretty sure that she was the 219 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,960 reading leader of this whole effort. And Alicia, thank you, You and 220 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:37,200 everyone else totally made my day and it is very, very appreciated and it 221 00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:44,240 meant a world to me what you all did and how this can pertain to 222 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,119 everybody else who is listening. I just want to point out that it is 223 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:53,960 so important to invest in relationships, regardless of what you are doing, whether 224 00:19:55,000 --> 00:20:00,240 that's in your personal life, in just friendships, or in your career or 225 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:07,400 even family members. Invest in people. Don't burn bridges unnecessarily because you never 226 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:14,359 know when you're going to need somebody to lean on. And in terms of 227 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:22,799 career trajectories and networking for business, people like to work with people they know 228 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:30,160 and like people who are pleasant, and so I just thought I would tag 229 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:37,039 this onto my little audio thank you note and say that it is so important 230 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:45,839 to invest in people and don't squander relationships and be pleasant, be easy to 231 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:52,240 work with. And that is one of my favorite things about this industry is 232 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:59,599 the people are just so great, so friendly. The vast majority of my 233 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:07,279 conversations, whether that's via email or phone call or in person, these interactions 234 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:15,160 that I've had with the professionals in this space and other fans, vast majority 235 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,200 of them have been so positive, and I don't think that's something that every 236 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:27,000 industry can say. So bottom line is, I'm just very grateful for the 237 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:32,960 people in this space and the relationships that I've been able to have with so 238 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,079 many of them. And i just want to say thank you and thank you 239 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:42,960 listener for indulging me and allowing me to share something a little bit more personal 240 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,880 in this episode, even though you didn't really have much of a choice. 241 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:53,799 All Right, let's move on. I remember from that radio program, what 242 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:59,960 was it? A Western musical melodrama you helped out with the kids radio program. 243 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,319 I mean, you are great another important tool of acting the oct of 244 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:18,000 becoming. Should we hunting for what? All right? Twenty eight hours Album 245 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:22,200 seventy three of Adventures in Odyssey. Michael, thank you for joining me on 246 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,640 the show to talk about Odyssey. It's so much fun too. Well, 247 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,160 first of all, it's fun to talk about Odyssey, and it's always fun 248 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,920 to do it with you, So thank you. Yeah, this is my 249 00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:38,440 first Odyssey review on the show, and to do this album. Wow, 250 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:45,799 what an honor. I'm humbled, I am I'm grateful. Yes, yes, 251 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:49,440 thank you for clarifying that. Yeah, we talk about Odyssey in a 252 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:55,599 text to each other often or whenever we do see each other in person. 253 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,960 But yes, this is your first as we did with this album, right, 254 00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:02,720 I remember talking having conversations with you as the episodes were dropping. Yep, 255 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,400 but this, yes, this is their first official Odyssey review on ATC. 256 00:23:08,519 --> 00:23:14,039 But this is an interesting album. It's a it's a pivotal one. 257 00:23:14,079 --> 00:23:18,119 I guess. It is one of the shorter arcs in the series as a 258 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:23,759 whole, but it is one of the most fast paced, like adrenaline pumping 259 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,880 kind of arcs we've had in the show's history. Yeah, one of the 260 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:36,000 most jam packed definitely, with bombs and hospitals and kidnappings and the Chairman coming 261 00:23:36,039 --> 00:23:41,599 back what so. Yeah, pretty awesome. Yeah, so maybe now now 262 00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:44,960 it's a good time to say. As with all of our Adventures Odyssey reviews, 263 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:51,319 they are spoiler filled. So yes, we're gonna a little late tell 264 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,400 you spoiler warning if you didn't know there was a bomb in the hospital or 265 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,480 that the chairman came back, I'm sorry. Yeah. So you know, 266 00:23:57,559 --> 00:24:03,599 in our other reviews we typic try to not spoil anything, but because Odyssey 267 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:10,079 is so ubiquitous, most of our listeners are very avid fans and they're all 268 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,400 up to date on this stuff, so we do go into spoil errific details. 269 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:21,079 So let's do that with album seventy three, which was released in October 270 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,920 and November of twenty twenty two, so been out for a little while, 271 00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:30,559 aired on the radio already, and we've had lots of time to let people 272 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:33,960 get caught up on it, and it is I think it might be one 273 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:40,359 of the shorter albums. Even in the sixth episode era, it's a two 274 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,960 hours and fifteen minutes run time. And again, I think it is one 275 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,440 of the shorter ones because we had a couple of episodes that were like twenty 276 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,519 minutes or something like that. So oh wow, yeah, I didn't realize 277 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:56,480 that, but it did when I was listening to it this week, it 278 00:24:56,519 --> 00:24:59,680 did feel shorter. I felt like I got through it pretty quickly. I 279 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,799 I feel like there's been a several albums lately that have had some really powerful 280 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,920 episodes, and like the Lost One, the Olivia arc, the way that 281 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:15,160 that ended, that was really one of the most emotional ones that I like, 282 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,880 the most moving ones that I've heard in a long time. Absolutely, 283 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,200 and then this one filled that itch I had for, you know, wanting 284 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,759 the epic storylines, you know, where you're on the edge of your seed 285 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:32,880 and you're excited for what's coming next and just counting the minutes down until you 286 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,519 keep refreshing the page on Thursday or whatever whatever day it came out right to 287 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:38,839 see if it's if it's out, And so I was I was hoping for 288 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:44,359 one of these kind of longer arc epic storylines, and so I was excited 289 00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:47,319 when I heard that that whole album was going to be devoted to that. 290 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,039 Yeah, and interesting that the last time I think the last time we had 291 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:56,559 a self contained arc in one album was The Green Rink Conspiracy, right or 292 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,200 no. I guess it would have been The Ties to Bind, But that's 293 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,519 not necessarily like an action adventure kind of story there. Yeah, the Ties 294 00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:10,519 that Bind was like similar in that it was one storyline. Well, I 295 00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:12,599 mean, I get the Ties that Bind was really unique in that way because 296 00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:17,279 it was they all had a bunch of different storylines and they were just going 297 00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:21,440 along the same theme, playing different parts of the same theme, but they 298 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,680 didn't all necessarily tie together, like yeah, expecting them too, but they 299 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,079 had the commonality GRC and Ties That Bind, and that they were just all 300 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,680 called part one, Part two, etc. Right, And and then this 301 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:41,000 album, I think I wasn't alone in thinking or assuming that they were going 302 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:42,640 to do the same thing here because of the way they were kind of hyping 303 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,880 it up and saying what was going to happen, Like when the summary was 304 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,160 released, it was just like one thing instead of like you usually have a 305 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,400 little mini summaries for all the different threads that are going to be happening in 306 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,720 an album, whereas this one was just one thing and like, oh okay. 307 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,000 And then they announced the episode titles on the official podcast, They're like, 308 00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:04,799 oh okay, so they're not going to do that this time. They 309 00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:08,559 each have individual titles, Yeah, which I liked. I thought that was 310 00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:15,680 creative except for evening ended at like it was four thirty am at the end 311 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,880 of evening, and then the next one was called dead of night. So 312 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,880 I think that tells us something about Kathy Buchanan's a sleeping schedule that she considers 313 00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:26,000 after four or thirty am to be the dead of night, or whoever named 314 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:30,319 it. I don't know if she's letter named it. But well, speaking 315 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,079 of times of day, I think it's time for the summary. Will you 316 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:40,480 do us the honors? I certainly will ospend so much time in the future, 317 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,119 Miss and Rott. Now think that the junior. Every second and minute, 318 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,880 each hour, I can heal you a little blow start to find all 319 00:27:48,920 --> 00:28:06,480 the time they was stolen. John, I make mass. The clock is 320 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:10,880 ticking toward an explosive confrontation as your friends from Odyssey race to solve the mystery 321 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,039 and save the world in this special six part adventure twenty eight Hours. To 322 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,799 Jason Whittaker, it was just another morning in Odyssey. Birds were chirping, 323 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,880 sunshine warmed his back. The only urgent item on his agenda was helping Connie 324 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,279 Kendall get her car started again. But then Jason's phone rings, alerting him 325 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:30,200 to a crime at J and J Antiques that will set in motion a day 326 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,119 that the Odyssey Gang will never forget. Over the next several hours, Jason, 327 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,480 Connie, Wit, and Jillian become entangled in a mystery that threatens the 328 00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:41,680 future of their beloved town and even the entire world. Could such a nice 329 00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:45,319 day really end in the start of war? Will Jason really have to sacrifice 330 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,839 themselves to prevent the death of thousands? Is anyone going to make it out 331 00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:52,799 of this day alive? And as Connie asks with frustration, is anyone in 332 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:57,000 this town really who they say they are? Oh? My goodness. You 333 00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:00,440 know what it is so funny about this is I didn't actually read through this 334 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:07,160 whole summary, and I just I always do this. I'll go grab some 335 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,720 one from the aio wiki or one of the digital retailers. I guess I 336 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,799 haven't really been consistent with where I got them from. But this one doesn't 337 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:19,559 sound like it's very official, Like it's the way it's worded. It just 338 00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:23,680 sounds funny. And it also says J and J Antiques when we know now 339 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:29,400 that it's triple J. Yeah. So yeah, I'm wondering if somebody edited 340 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,960 the wiki and just put something in there. And here's a question for the 341 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,319 fans to rile them up. If Jason and Jillian get together, is it 342 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,960 gonna be quadruple Jay or they going back to Jay and Jay like you know, 343 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:49,200 that's why she has a Jay name. Hey, just kidding, guys, 344 00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:56,519 don't get mad. Oh goodness, Yeah, no, I enjoyed that 345 00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:59,680 summary. I enjoyed that. Yeah. You don't usually get the description of 346 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:06,400 how Jason's backfields. So yeah, and they also, I mean it gives 347 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:11,519 away stuff like Jason sacrificing himself, Like come on, like, I mean, 348 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,839 we knew he was going to have to do that, you know, 349 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,400 we were all expecting that. I do. I do like the crescendo there. 350 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,759 It starts off, you know, and I guess that's the whole point 351 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,759 that it starts off real gentle and then and then and then the whole world 352 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,119 is at stake and the start of war and the death of thousands, like 353 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,880 that's that is intense. It just escalates very much. Yes. So this 354 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,920 album, ask we already alluded to, has six episodes. We have morning, 355 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,440 afternoon, evening, dead of night, daybreak, and final Minutes. 356 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,480 Because this is such a unique album in that it's one storyline. We'll try 357 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,599 to keep things in chronological order, but we may not necessarily, you know, 358 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,480 split them up episode by episode. We're just gonna try to go through 359 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:59,559 this and hopefully it'll all make sense, and we'll talk about our favorite moments 360 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,440 and stand out performances and all that kind of stuff like we usually do, 361 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:11,119 but we may not specify precisely which episode the particular thing happened in. So 362 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,920 hopefully you're okay with that, me or the audience. I'm talking to the 363 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:22,240 audience. Okay, I'm glad you are too. Well you already mentioned. 364 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:27,480 This was written by Kathy Buchanan, who also directed it, and Dave Arnold, 365 00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:33,039 as always is our executive producer. Post Production was done by Luca no 366 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:40,720 and Zach Schneider and music by John Campbell. So we have the regular crew 367 00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:47,400 here with Adventures and Odyssey of course, Nathan Hoobler producer, and you know, 368 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,200 I had heard they've been kind of dripping out little teasers over the months 369 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:56,839 leading up to this. I was very hyped for this one, especially after 370 00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:59,119 I first saw the cover art. It just looked like it was going to 371 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,880 be an epic, epic story, and I have to say it did not 372 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,079 disappoint. Yeah, definitely this reached Novocom level excitements in my mind, even 373 00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:15,759 though I obviously Novocom was much longer and more intense, you know, But 374 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,400 the Green Ring Conspiracy, I think it's a good consparison too. It felt 375 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,440 like, I feel like Paul McCusker did a lot of stuff like this, 376 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,119 like the long arcs and so, and I really enjoy that kind of story 377 00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:30,880 for Odyssey, So I was also very excited about it. Well, let's 378 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,359 go ahead and take a quick listen to the official promo just to give you 379 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,160 a little primer in case you haven't listened to these episodes in a while. 380 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:40,119 It's very short, so it isn't going to give you very much. But 381 00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:44,119 hey, it's kind of the protocol around here, so let's do it anyway. 382 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,960 And Adventures in Odyssey's seventy third album, twenty eight Hours, Odyssey's favorite 383 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,319 son is missing, Jan and lives are at stake. If we move him, 384 00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:57,240 he died, and if you stay here, you all die. Above 385 00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:01,400 all else, everyone wants to know what's going what's going on? What's going 386 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,200 on? It's a jam pack. Twenty eight hours an album seventy three, 387 00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:10,680 but Adventures in Odyssey available now on the Club CD and download. Learn more 388 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:16,480 at Adventures in Odyssey dot com. Quick shout out to whoever cut together that 389 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,240 promo, because I love how they isolated those lines what's going on? You 390 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:25,160 know, I didn't even pick up on that that that was repeated multiple times 391 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,200 throughout this this show from different characters, but I was like, Oh, 392 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,519 that's that's great. Yeah, neither did I. That's that's really fun. 393 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,240 Well, and in terms of our cast, you know, these are all 394 00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,960 familiar characters. Well, I shouldn't say all generally, for the most part, 395 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,880 they are. They're all familiar characters or at least some that have been 396 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,960 on the show for a while, some who are familiar in name but not 397 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:55,240 necessarily in personality. We have are you talking You're talking about Jillian or Officer 398 00:33:55,319 --> 00:34:06,720 Burke both, of course, Jason Whittaker voiced by Townsend Coleman. Katie Lee 399 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:12,920 is the wonderful Connie Kindle, Andre Stoika is mister Whittaker, Monica Padilla as 400 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:17,960 Jillian Marshall, Phil Proctor as Don pole House, and we'll get into the 401 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,159 others as we come across them. But so this thing kicks off with episode 402 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,760 ninety six morning, and you know, I had no idea how of course, 403 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,079 you know, I'm not. I don't have an inside scoop on what's 404 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:34,400 going on at Focus, but I was wondering how they're going to set off 405 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,360 this epic story. And it has a very mundane beginning. You know, 406 00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:43,679 it's just Connie being Connie again, having an issue with her car and needing 407 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:50,320 help, needing a jump start, and also trying to push Jason or push 408 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,519 Jillian on Jason. And you know, that's Connie always trying to be the 409 00:34:53,599 --> 00:35:00,360 matchmaker. But it's interesting to me that she is doing this. I guess 410 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,480 this is probably not the best thing to start off with, being slightly negative, 411 00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:08,800 but it's just like, it was very interesting to me that it has 412 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:15,800 never been addressed until this album whether or not Jillian was a Christian right and 413 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:21,880 this entire time, if not so overtly as in this opening scene, but 414 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:28,320 throughout the previous appearances of this character, Connie has been pushing that Jason and 415 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,079 Jillian thing. And it's like she should know, out of anybody in Odyssey, 416 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,599 what that situation is like, because she had to go through that herself 417 00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:42,440 with Jeff all those years ago. Right, having to break off a relationship 418 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,960 and then the person that she's talking to, Jason, also went through the 419 00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:50,840 same thing with Tasha, So it's like, why are you pushing this on 420 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,679 when you don't know if Jillian is a Christian or not. So I thought 421 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,159 that was a little bit interesting that she's been doing that well, and even 422 00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:01,159 if Jillian's been going to church with Connie off screen or whatever, like and 423 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:06,119 she does know. What I thought was interesting is after everything Connie went through 424 00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:10,599 with Mitch about how two people can be Christians but not necessarily be right for 425 00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:19,519 each other, right, Kathy and Jillian's personality, like ever since they introduced 426 00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:22,760 Gillian and I heard on the podcast she said that she intentionally tried to make 427 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:28,559 her obnoxious and she did a fantastic job. Because I despised Gillian's character, 428 00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:30,840 I was like, who is this? And obviously she was doing that on 429 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:36,719 purpose, but with Connie not knowing, like how could Like when I when 430 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,000 Jason was protesting, I was like, yeah, duh, come on, 431 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:45,280 Connie, you know, obviously she's not a good match for Jason. But 432 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:47,440 and I don't know if somebody said this in one of the podcasts or something, 433 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,480 but I did have the impression that Gillian was being brought in as a 434 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:55,000 love interest for Jason early on, and something dramatic would have had to happen 435 00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:59,960 with her character, you know, to make that make any sense at all. 436 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,320 Because the first I remember the first episode, I heard Jillian and I 437 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,880 thought, because I think she came in because Jewels and Connie were looking for 438 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:10,679 another roommate or something like that, right, And I totally thought it was 439 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,199 just a gag of character that just shows up and obviously she's not going to 440 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,320 be the roommate. And then she ended up being the roommate and there it's 441 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,239 like, and you're supposed to like her now, and I was like, 442 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,599 oh, man, okay, yes, I felt the same way. And 443 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:30,199 it was one of those like she's like Harlow Doyle levels of intelligence here. 444 00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:36,320 And for some reason I didn't mind it with Harlow Doyle, like maybe because 445 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,039 I was a kid when I first listened to Harlow Doyle, but it was 446 00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:42,599 Jillian. I was like, this seems very unbelievable that she would be this 447 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,480 did see you know well? And I think part of it was because everybody 448 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:52,480 knew that Harlow was a goofy character like, yeah, the people in Odyssey 449 00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:55,239 know, you know, they don't take him seriously. But based on the 450 00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:00,559 way the other people in Odyssey reacted to her, as the audience is supposed 451 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:05,360 to are supposed to take her seriously, right, right, right, Obviously, 452 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,440 they pick up on her quirks and how she said literally wrong and that 453 00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:13,400 kind of stuff. Yeah, but they still presented her as a character that 454 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,440 we were supposed to care about, right, And I felt the same way. 455 00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:21,199 I found her so so annoying. Yes, there were some funny moments 456 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,440 with her, and you know, there were some lines that where she delivered 457 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,320 them and I still laughed at them. But I just she just was annoying 458 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,320 to me. Yeah, And I really identified with Detective Polehouse and Jason when 459 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,719 they would point out how annoying she was, and I strove in my heart 460 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:42,079 to be like Connie and just love her. That's funny. But I mentioned 461 00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,280 this to you earlier before we started recording, and I cannot remember all the 462 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:51,000 specifics, but I have a memory of Roy and Andrew and I talking about 463 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,360 Jillian in the past in one of our reviews. I think he was in 464 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:59,760 one of our reviews that what if she was actually an Agent two and I 465 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:04,559 remember that happening, and I'm fairly certain it was on an actual podcast, 466 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:08,519 So if anybody listening can remember that moment, let me know if that was 467 00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:13,599 in an episode. But if it wasn't, I do know that we did 468 00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:16,119 talk about it at some point, and it would have been, you know, 469 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,880 before we recorded or something. But I remember that coming up, and 470 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,679 I can't remember if it was a serious thing that we were positing as an 471 00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:29,760 option or if we were just joking around because how dizzy and dumb she was 472 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,719 being. Maybe it was in the whole the whole case of the wedding thing 473 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:40,119 where she actually nightmares, yeah night yeah, where she was somewhat competent in 474 00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:44,559 some ways, But I can't remember, but I do remember we did talk 475 00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:49,639 about that, and those were Jillian episodes that I really enjoyed because because of 476 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,719 how it was played off. If I had to choose any of the like 477 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,960 whole Jillian episodes like that, I really did enjoy those ones. But and 478 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,840 it's funny because so I was completely ready for the switch when and when I 479 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,719 first heard it, and I was wondering if if they had this plan from 480 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,840 the beginning, or if they were like, man, this character is annoying. 481 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:13,239 We are just gonna do something to completely completely change her personality. So 482 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,039 I was ready for the switch, but my wife was. She she felt 483 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:19,920 betrayed. She was like, this is like a bait and switch, and 484 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,800 she's like, it's not that I liked Jillian's character, but I knew what 485 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,880 to expect from her, and this is just complete, you know, one 486 00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:29,039 eighties. She did not like it at all, and she's one of the 487 00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,840 like she wants Jason and Connie to get together, so she didn't like Jillian 488 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:39,320 for that reason either. But I am here for the Jillian being a secret 489 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:45,320 agent. I really and I was so surprised, not surprised, but like 490 00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:47,719 it was cool to learn that they had that planned from the beginning. Which 491 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,559 it's funny. I told my wife that a few minutes ago before we started 492 00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:52,800 recording. I was like, they had that plan from the beginning, and 493 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:58,000 she said, I don't believe it. I was like, well, they 494 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,840 said they did. Yeah. I remember bringing up in my initial reaction for 495 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,679 ATC backstage, wondering because I, you know, there was just so much 496 00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,480 that had to have been leading up to this. I'm like, either they 497 00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:14,320 totally went back and like reread a whole bunch of scripts to try to figure 498 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,440 out how they could fit it together, or she had this plan from the 499 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,960 beginning and then they talked about it on the official podcast. Kathy said that 500 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,079 she did, and that she even talked with Monica Padilla about the art of 501 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:30,599 the character and where things were headed. But I, if I remember correctly, 502 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,920 the other cast didn't know, right, Like she didn't tell everybody. 503 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,079 Yeah, that's what Townsend Coleman said, he didn't know until this, uh, 504 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,440 this album. That's genius. Like, I think that is so cool 505 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,440 that she had this little nugget that she knew that nobody else knew, just 506 00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:47,760 like the character did. And I'm like, oh, that's that's that's great. 507 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,239 That is really fun. I like that we had a ton of great 508 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:59,800 Pullhouse lines in this album, Oh my goodness. And one of the first, 509 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,639 like right after we get introduced to this doctor Rusk, who we have 510 00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:07,159 no idea who this guy is, but you know, Wit finds him in 511 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:13,079 the alley behind the antique store, and then you know, of course the 512 00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:17,480 police get involved in everything, and Polehouse one of his first lines nothing like 513 00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:24,440 a good assault investigation to get my mind off my personal life. I love 514 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:30,159 Detective Polehouse. He is one of my favorite characters. They Phil Proctor plays 515 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,079 him so well. I don't know, I just love him. Yes, 516 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,519 And we've been getting you know, we're not here to talk about them now, 517 00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:42,360 but we've been getting a little bit more about him in the club episodes, 518 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,960 which is always interesting to hear more about him. And I liked its 519 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,639 character a lot too. Yeah. Yeah, another great line that he had 520 00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:53,519 there towards the beginning is I'm fine with vegetarians as long as they keep their 521 00:42:53,519 --> 00:43:01,360 opinions in their own gardens. Yeah. I really enjoyed all of his jokes 522 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:07,280 about like her electric car and her vegetarianism, and like two more opposite people 523 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,159 could not be found, like and I that was I did enjoy all that 524 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,480 banter back and forth. Yeah. I know she had to like insert a 525 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,519 bunch of age jokes because she had different ages in mind, and then they 526 00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:21,719 have like a club episode where he's a grandpa and stuff like that. But 527 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:27,119 the age jokes were very fun. Yeah. Did you think at all about 528 00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:30,760 who the date might be until it was revealed. I didn't. I just 529 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,599 assumed it was just gonna be, like it's it's not even going to be 530 00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:37,639 a character. We know, it's just something that happened. I don't know 531 00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:39,519 why. I didn't think that it would be a character that we've heard from 532 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:43,239 before, but I was. I was a little surprised whenever it was finally 533 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,920 revealed that it was Skyfeldstein. Yes, I was too, I was too. 534 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,480 I didn't. Yeah, and she's not a character I would have thought 535 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,440 of anyway, you know, because even though she's a ben a hurrying character, 536 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:55,519 she just popped up now and then like as a as a device, 537 00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:00,280 yea more than a character. And so the use of her I thought was 538 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,599 really cool in this album. Yeah, there was a really cool sound design 539 00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:10,760 moment in this first episode, and I loved how they had the We have 540 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:17,880 this scene of Wit and Jason and Pullhouse. They're they're watching this security cam 541 00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:23,599 video over Jason's phone, but then you know, the the perpetrator, you 542 00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:28,159 know, sprays paint on the camera. So all we have is the audio, 543 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,159 and it's like, that's a really cool thing because we as the audience, 544 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,000 are in the same boat as they are trying to figure out what's happening 545 00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:39,719 just from the audio, and so that's a cool thing that that Kathy did 546 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,880 in writing that scene, but also in the way that that Luke and Zach 547 00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:47,960 also did the sound design that they just fitted so well and just you know, 548 00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:51,280 even though you know, him turning up the volume a little bit so 549 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,679 they can actually focus a little bit more on what they're hearing, and it 550 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,119 was just really cool how that played out, just you know, playing up 551 00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:02,400 to the fact of audio drama is you know, you're blind essentially, you 552 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,280 know. Yeah, it gave me perfect witness vibe. Yeah, you know, 553 00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:09,320 that was Paul McCusker's whole idea with that one, and even in uh, 554 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,079 which one was it in sounds like a mystery where the little statue of 555 00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:20,760 Liberty gets stolen and apparently has like hidden microphones around the shop because like the 556 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,199 camera's got disabled, but he still had these little audio things that you could 557 00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:28,960 listen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I liked the device that she used 558 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,920 there with you know, it starts off as the security camera and then it 559 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,639 gets brayed and so then it's just not you Yeah, it's cool. And 560 00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:40,960 another pull house line, and this one I saw quite a few people were 561 00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:46,519 pretty well, I guess, I don't know exactly how what their level of 562 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:52,440 irritation was but there were people that were offended by this and a couple of 563 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:57,199 his lines about sandwich line, right, yeah, yeah, so pull House 564 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,159 says women can't live with him, can't get a d sandwich without him. 565 00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:07,400 I felt uncomfortable with that line until I remembered that a woman wrote it, 566 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:13,800 right yeah, So, I mean I saw several people in some of the 567 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,840 fan groups. They were offended, and it's like, come on, like, 568 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,960 not every line in the show is something to emulate or a position that 569 00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:24,880 focus or the writers themselves as spouse right now, well, especially from Detected 570 00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:29,559 exactly exactly, consider this horse. You know, you have to separate a 571 00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:34,119 fictional character from the organization that's producing this thing, or the writer themselves. 572 00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:37,840 You know, the line made sense for the character of Don pole House, 573 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,599 and it's totally something he would say. Yeah, and it's like, come 574 00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:45,719 on, like just just calm down. That's funny. I didn't know people 575 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,719 got upset about it. There was something else that he said later on about 576 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,519 her too, and I remember, I don't remember which line it was, 577 00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:58,719 but they also some people were mentioning that as well, and it's just to 578 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:05,559 come on, people, just just calm down. Yeah, one of the 579 00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:08,119 lines that I thought was I enjoyed it was I think it was. It 580 00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:12,960 was pole House and Officer Burke and Jillian, you know, when she finds 581 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,480 the sweatshirt or whatever and then they find the This was in the first episode, 582 00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:19,679 right where they find the watch and they realized he didn't break in to 583 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,760 get the watch, I think because it was just thrown away in the dumpster 584 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,199 and he's like, I guess he didn't want it anymore or something like that, 585 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,159 and Jillian says that happens to me with every new pair of Pordu roy. 586 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,639 Oh. Yeah, that was a Jillian line that I really enjoyed. 587 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:38,599 Yeah. Yeah, So you mentioned Officer Burke earlier. So we have Marshall 588 00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:44,159 Younger returning as this character, and you know, they did a whole bonus 589 00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:50,679 clip on the album release for this talking about the you know, how that 590 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,119 character came to be in a little bit about why they decided to bring him 591 00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:55,960 back for this. But yeah, this is the most we've ever heard from 592 00:47:57,679 --> 00:48:01,760 him being played by Marshall Younger and it's fun. I like it whenever they 593 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:07,280 use the crew members to do stuff. Obviously, we've had Glossman and of 594 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:14,960 course Phil Lawler as as Dale Jacobs for years. But Chuck Bolt is George 595 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,559 Barkley, right, yeah, yeah, so it's not new for them to 596 00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:24,679 have the crew members play major characters, but like a small side character that 597 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:29,639 pops up. You know, Bob Smithouser has done, you know, those 598 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:34,079 characters Jesse on the podcast has done, you know, bit parts of stuff. 599 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,639 But this is different because it's somewhere in between like a George Barkley and 600 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:44,039 a Captain of the Coast Guard cutter in Hawaii kind of character. You know 601 00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:47,880 that Bob Smithouser is is kind of famous. That's his claim to fame or 602 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,760 for voicing that character. You know, so he actually, you know, 603 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,079 he has a name any of has appeared in multiple episodes, but he's not 604 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,960 a major character either, you know, not even like a supporting character, 605 00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:01,719 like you know, he's not even to that level, right, He's a 606 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:07,800 stock character. Yeah, And I like it when they reuse stock characters rather 607 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:13,239 than continuing to come up with new like when they reuse the same doctors and 608 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,400 they use the same police officers, you know, rather than like it's like 609 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:20,199 how big is the Honesty Police Force? Like there's so many police officers that 610 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,360 because they just, you know, anytime they just need a random police officer 611 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,519 if they come up with a different name every single time, and then uh, 612 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,480 you're like, well, I don't know, I loses some believability that 613 00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:32,440 it's a small town. But so I like it when and I felt like 614 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,800 this whole album there was a lot of so like Sky Feldstein, who is 615 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,079 also kind of a stock character that's just popped up in a couple episodes, 616 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,760 and Officer Burke and uh, you know, doctor Calhoun and doctor Graham and 617 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,360 you know, all these people that they I felt like there was a really 618 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,039 good use of characters in this. Yeah. And Sky Feldstine is played by 619 00:49:54,559 --> 00:50:00,280 Lana McKissick, and she's she's a great characters. I'm kind kind of sad 620 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,679 to see her go away because I should say she's a great actor. I 621 00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:07,639 mean, I loved hearing her in the few episodes that we have. I 622 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:10,159 felt bitter sweet about it too. Yeah, so that's a little bit of 623 00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:15,880 a bummer. I liked her character when she was used before. I thought 624 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,519 that there was a lot that they could do with that character of you know, 625 00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:23,000 running the TV station and having these kind of I don't know, just 626 00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:28,239 the way she thought was different. It's like very familiar in our culture, 627 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,360 but different than a lot of people in Odyssey, and so, you know, 628 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,239 I kind of felt like, oh man, I feel like they could 629 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,320 have done some more things with that character, and I would be more upset 630 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,599 about it if if she wasn't used so well in this album, because I 631 00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:42,960 really enjoyed the way, yeah, the way that they so it was worth 632 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,039 it. It was worth the cost of losing the character to have it play 633 00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:50,639 out the way it did. Another thing that stood out to me in this 634 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,400 episode. I can't believe we're still in the first episode, but is a 635 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,480 kind of very forgiving about Jillian's total perceived flippancy towards her job. You know, 636 00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:07,440 it's like, obviously we found out later that it wasn't that that she 637 00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:10,559 was doing stuff behind the scenes and nobody knew, but at the time it 638 00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:14,719 looked like she just was, you know, she didn't care, she didn't 639 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,800 take things seriously. And he's like telling Jason, you don't talk to her, 640 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,559 give her more chances. And I'm like this from the guy who once 641 00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:27,159 immediately fired Eugene and Connie for disobeying one directive from him. It's like, 642 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,440 bro bro, you're not being consistent here, or maybe he's just getting more 643 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,760 relaxed the older that he gets. Yeah, and his old age, wait, 644 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,760 has really mellowed out. I've noticed that over the year. He's like 645 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:42,199 one hundred and twenty now, and so he's really no. Yeah. I 646 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,360 felt that way too about his advice towards Jason was I thought that was very 647 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:50,840 very gentle of him, very yeah, very soft. That kind of surprised 648 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,199 me as well. So one thing that I did want to make sure to 649 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:58,400 point out in this one also is something that we talk about in the audio 650 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,480 drama Alliance and amongst other creatives. I don't know if we've talked about it 651 00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:07,440 a whole lot here on the show, but subtext in storytelling is so important, 652 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,480 and in audio drama, of course, it's not just in the way 653 00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:15,639 lines are written, but also in the way that they're delivered. And there 654 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:20,559 was a really, really good moment of that towards the end of this episode 655 00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:24,159 where we have this exchange between Jillian and Connie. Now she's, of course 656 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,920 she still hasn't revealed herself to who she really is to Connie, but she 657 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,880 says to her, Jason, he means a lot to me, he's not 658 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,559 just a boss, you know. And Connie or Katie delivers the line I 659 00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:44,360 know, and just the way that she says those two little words, like 660 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:49,000 she just nailed the delivery of that line. It's a perfect example of saying 661 00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:52,639 a whole lot with just a couple of words, and way more than just 662 00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,119 the words themselves are saying. That's good. You can pick up on a 663 00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:00,400 whole previous conversations that they've had just from those two words because of how they 664 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,079 were delivered. Yeah. Yeah, that's a really great point. I like 665 00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:06,800 that. In fact, let's let's take a listen to that. I got 666 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,920 a clip of it here. Jason's pretty good about taking care of himself and 667 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,440 if anyone can find him, it's wet. Jason. He means a lot 668 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,960 to me. He's not just a boss, you know. I know. 669 00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,559 So good. Yeah, yeah, that's great. I really like that. 670 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:30,039 So as soon as she walked out the door and started calling on her phone, 671 00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:35,679 I picked up a difference in her persona like, I'm like, oh, 672 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,239 I knew there was going to be a reveal at that moment. I'm 673 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,400 like, I had no idea where it was going. I wasn't sure if 674 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,519 she was going to be a good guy or a bad guy or what. 675 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,320 But I knew there was something was going to be happening. And then of 676 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,440 course we get her side of the phone call. We don't know who she 677 00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:54,000 talked to, but I was like, I wasn't like super super shocked by 678 00:53:54,039 --> 00:53:58,440 that. Yeah, the way that everything had been built up and you knew 679 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,840 Jillian was going to be a major character and all that, But I did 680 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:06,039 like the that I liked how every the end of almost every episode had some 681 00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:09,320 kind of a reveal for Cliffhang, you know, And I thought that was 682 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:14,119 a cool way to structure the album. And see, it's been a while 683 00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:16,079 since I first listened to it, but there was that twinge of down. 684 00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:19,440 I was like, maybe she was working on the bad side, but I 685 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,840 was my gut told me that she was an agent. But it was fun 686 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,800 the way that they the way that Kathy wrote the line so that it could 687 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,599 go either way. You don't really know who you just know that she's not 688 00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:31,800 who you thought she was. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to remember, 689 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,599 but I think I was like, you could tell because it's following Jillian that 690 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,199 something is about to be revealed. But you know, it still wasn't surprise 691 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,239 that something was going to be revealed that she wasn't who I thought she was 692 00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,679 because I didn't have any inkling of her being an agent before this album. 693 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:52,840 I will admit that you fooled me, Kathy. But something that I did 694 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,639 realize is that you know, because when you go back and you listen to 695 00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:00,480 older episodes with this in mind, you pick up on little things, and 696 00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:05,760 even through this episode, like just listening to it again, I realized that 697 00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:09,280 Jillian's trying to go with Jason on the delivery, and you don't really think 698 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,199 too much about that at first, and I was like, oh, of 699 00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:15,679 course, as as an agent trying to protect Jason, she wants to go 700 00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:17,559 with him on the delivery. And then when Wytt is talking to him on 701 00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:21,599 the phone when the crash happens, and he's wondering if he should go out 702 00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:22,440 there, and Jason says, no, you don't need to go out there, 703 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,159 and Jillian's like, you should definitely go out there. You know she's 704 00:55:25,199 --> 00:55:29,519 trying to but she's still but she's doing it in her person, so you 705 00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:31,880 don't think anything about it. But I thought that was really good. And 706 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:37,239 then there was a line that was in the Right Dell Revelations where Tasha makes 707 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:43,480 some like just it's just a side comment about there being other agents in Odyssey 708 00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:47,559 or something like that. And at the time I was like okay. But 709 00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:52,599 then then after I listened to it again, after having listened to this album, 710 00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:53,960 I was like, oh, they were setting up Jillian there, you 711 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,880 know, that's what was going on. And I was like, oh, 712 00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,519 that's so good. Wow. You know what, I didn't pick up on 713 00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:02,440 either of those things. Those are good points. Yeah, I mean I 714 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,760 remember that line from right El, but I did not make the connection to 715 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,920 this. That's that's interesting. And yeah I did. I didn't put those 716 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,679 two in together, either that she was trying to get go with him on 717 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:19,440 the delivery or encouraging wit. Yeah. Wow, good, good observation. 718 00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:23,199 Yeah, And that's that's just good writing, because like, if if something's 719 00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,880 written well with a plan in mind, then there should be those little things 720 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,920 that you pick up on afterwards once you know the full story. Yeah, 721 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:35,360 that fits in with what's going on, so kudos. Yeah. Well that 722 00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,679 moves us on to the second episode, Afternoon, And one thing that that 723 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,800 kind of stood out to me about this one is how is this this mastermind 724 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,639 guy who we don't know who he is, But how is he able to 725 00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:51,639 speak to Jason in this cabin? Like later on I was wondering that. 726 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,679 You know, later on Jason says, the guy talk to me over as 727 00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:58,239 speaker. He said, he just kind of drops that in like two episodes 728 00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,400 later or something like that. But at the time, we just suddenly hear 729 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,880 this book and we're like, wait a minute, this is a cabin out 730 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,599 in the middle of a forest. It seems unlikely that it's wired up with 731 00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:14,039 this elaborate intercom system or whatever. It's just that seemed like a little bit 732 00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:15,639 of a stretch to me, a little bit odd. But I was all 733 00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:19,639 in. I was totally willing to suspend disbelief for that, Like I was 734 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,239 there for it. Yeah. Well, I will say the first listen through, 735 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,800 I didn't pick up on it at all. It was only in the 736 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:31,719 relistening to him, like, wait a minute, that's not fitting. Well, 737 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,679 yeah, I know, I but I did have that thought or when 738 00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:37,239 I was relistening to it, I was like, how is he talking to 739 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:42,079 him right now? Yeah? I did love the Henchman. All of the 740 00:57:42,119 --> 00:57:47,079 Henchmen had so much like such quirky personality, and you know, usually they're 741 00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:51,079 just like, I don't know, there's stock characters. But I loved that 742 00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:52,599 these guys, like the one guy that was talking to him that was like 743 00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:55,800 kind of nerdy and just talked a lot, and he was so funny. 744 00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,360 And then and even one of the lines that I still laugh out loud is 745 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,960 when the guy crashes into Jason and he's talking to Win on the phone and 746 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,960 then you hear him on He's like, I called the ambulance and it goes 747 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,800 who is that? And he goes, oh, Oscar. Yeah. I 748 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,199 don't know why that makes me laugh, but the way he delivered that, 749 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:21,760 yeah same here and mona syllabic mo yes, yeah, so yeah he had 750 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:27,840 mo and Eddie I think is from the credits, who that what the other 751 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,599 guy's name was, because I don't think Jason ever says or or the guy 752 00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:37,280 ever says his name. But he was played by Grayson Smith, who was 753 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:38,880 to get in the show Winner and you and I met him, remember, 754 00:58:39,239 --> 00:58:42,920 Yes, yeah I did. That was when I met you. I think 755 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,360 too, I met you and Grayson at the same time. Yeah. I 756 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,480 haven't kept up with Grayson, but I've kept up with but yeah, yeah, 757 00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:52,679 that's cool because they mentioned that he played the other NSA agent at the 758 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,280 end, But I didn't realize he played this hen, Well, that's that's 759 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,880 what I heard somewhere. So maybe I'm wrong. I thought that's that I 760 00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:04,599 had heard that somewhere. Yeah, maybe I misunderstood or or I made that 761 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,519 entirely up in my brain. Maybe I'm wrong. I see, I knew 762 00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:13,920 he was in it, but I I thought it was Barren, the guy 763 00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,039 on the phone walking them through the bombs. Oh really, No, I 764 00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:20,920 don't think that was him because that voice sounded too different to me. I 765 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,159 know that it's been a few years since we've heard him, but I don't 766 00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:27,119 think his voice would be that deep. You don't think that was him, 767 00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:30,800 No, I don't. I don't think that was Okay, Well, who 768 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,079 knows either way, he did a great job. What if he played both 769 00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:37,559 and he just changed his voice and that's that would be great. That's yeah, 770 00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:40,000 that's the case, because that those were very different characters. Somebody will 771 00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:45,360 let us know. And yeah, one of his lines, I'm climbing the 772 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:52,599 ladder of crime lord one kidnapping it. Yeah, that was great. You 773 00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:54,599 had a lot of funny lines. One thing that I picked up on, 774 00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:59,880 which I'm sure you did as well, and that is they mentioned a Letchworth 775 01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:02,559 forest and in a state park. That definitely picked up. Yeah, so 776 01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:06,480 I'm like, oh, there's Kathy given a shout out to the Lamplighter Guild 777 01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:09,800 because yeah, I've been Yeah, I was gonna say you've been there. 778 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:15,679 It's called the Grand Canyon of the East and uh, Mark Hanby will deny 779 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:21,599 this, but it is true. He made me give him a piggyback right 780 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,239 up the side of the canyon because he was tired when we were at the 781 01:00:24,239 --> 01:00:29,360 bottom visiting one time. And so he says he doesn't remember it, but 782 01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:30,679 I was the one who had to carry him, so I remember it very 783 01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:36,679 well. Just jumped on my back and I had to carry him up. 784 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,599 That's funny. Yeah. So if you just google Letchworth State Park, it's 785 01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:45,679 in New York and it is. It is absolutely gorgeous. I would love 786 01:00:45,719 --> 01:00:47,760 to go there sometime, but um, yeah, it's that was that was 787 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,599 a cool little easter rig that she dropped in there. Yeah, it's beautiful. 788 01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:54,800 There's a big waterfall and it's pretty neat. So and then it was 789 01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:59,559 around this point where we finally get to reveal that the blind date was with 790 01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:02,960 Sky and that that was quite a shocker to me. I definitely remember laughing 791 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,679 about that, but I was like, did not say that one coming? 792 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:12,320 Yeah, me neither. So I know that I've already mentioned a couple of 793 01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,960 little nitpickie things, and I have a few more that I'll bring up, 794 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:20,679 But it's just because overall this album was so good and so engrossing, especially 795 01:01:20,679 --> 01:01:22,079 on your first listen, that you know, you don't pick up on a 796 01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:25,920 lot of these things, So on re listens, I definitely picked up on 797 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:30,400 a few little things that kind of felt a little out of place or didn't 798 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,519 quite make sense. So you know, you gotta kind of nitpick when the 799 01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:38,719 scripts are this good. But one thing was so the sweatshirt right, like 800 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:43,400 they found it in the in the dumpster or Jillian found it right, and 801 01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:47,280 they find out that Channel ten gave out these sweatshirts at an employee picnic. 802 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:52,039 The first thing that popped in my head was, Okay, picnics are typically 803 01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:55,800 in the summer. Why are we giving out sweatshirts in the summer. Whole 804 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,840 house should have known it was a lie, right then? He is losing 805 01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,719 his touched. Well, maybe that's the exact answer, is that it was 806 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:08,079 all alive anyway. So maybe the picnic was up above Trickle Lake on you 807 01:02:08,119 --> 01:02:13,039 know, Forest Mountain, and it was just a particularly cold day that summer, 808 01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:15,360 and they had to hand out some sweatshirts very well. No, and 809 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:21,119 I was because she had some very specific things that she told Connie about. 810 01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:24,079 You know, it was Maurice Glendale. Yeah, and I thought, oh, 811 01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:28,559 was that short for Mos like Mo Maurice? Oh, but it was. 812 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,920 But but it was doctor Rusk that was wearing the sweatshirt, right. 813 01:02:32,159 --> 01:02:36,239 I got a little confused when I was trying to reconstruct it. So what 814 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,440 I don't know why he was wearing that sweatshirt? Like why why did he 815 01:02:39,639 --> 01:02:45,000 need to be Was it disguise? I guess I don't know. Yeah, 816 01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:50,599 it seems like a yeah, they wouldn't want to link the station. Yeah, 817 01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:53,639 and and was because they also said that he was like five ten. 818 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:58,440 So is doctor rush really tall or or was it Mo, like it was 819 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,239 it Mo that had broken into the show or no, it wasn't, It 820 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,719 was doctor Rusk. And then he hands off the hands off the envelope too, 821 01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:09,400 Mo. Yeah, So because he got cut on the glass or something. 822 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:16,239 Yeah, so it had to be doctor rusts to apparently. So yeah, 823 01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:20,920 yeah, but yeah, why would they use that sweatshirt that had they 824 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,199 stationed logo on it? Now that we're thinking about it, Yeah, yeah, 825 01:03:24,199 --> 01:03:27,519 that didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. And that name 826 01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:30,280 though, it was such a distinct name, Maurice Glendale. I thought for 827 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:34,119 sure that that was gonna come up again, like this, this character is 828 01:03:34,119 --> 01:03:37,400 gonna show up, you know. Yeah, I guess she's just a television 829 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:45,079 person who's really good at line fairly go figure. Now, I have to 830 01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:49,679 say that I totally called the fuel line had been cut in the patrol car. 831 01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:52,400 As soon as Wit said he smelled gas, I'm like, oh, 832 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,679 I knew it. I knew that that's what had happened. I was wondering 833 01:03:55,679 --> 01:03:59,679 about the sound effect. Do you think Luke ran out of He'd like, 834 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,320 drove his car until it was almost out of gas, and then he got 835 01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:06,280 well the links that those guys go to to get sounds, it wouldn't put 836 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:11,719 I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Like, for some reason, I 837 01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,280 was really listening to that sound effect, and I was like, is that 838 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:15,320 how a car sounds when runs out of games, Like I was trying to 839 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,599 remember, I'll be honest, that's happened to me, I should know what 840 01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:21,000 that's And apparently it's happened a wig because he knew right away. He's like, 841 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:28,039 it sounds like I ran out of gain. Then then we get the 842 01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:33,039 Jillian busting in to save the day in the cabin, and that was such 843 01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:38,800 a cool scene, like when she busts in through the door and Jason's like, 844 01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:41,920 yeah, he's kind of surprised, but not really like he doesn't like 845 01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:45,719 freak out it Like he's not like super like, Okay, he's dealt with 846 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:51,880 so many spies over the years, as like nothing really flusters him right right, 847 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,679 And he was probably like sort of expecting somebody from the agency to come 848 01:04:57,719 --> 01:05:00,639 through, you know, once they knew he was kidnapped. So yeah, 849 01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:04,039 he did seem pretty calm under under the circumstances. Yeah, I mean, 850 01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:08,280 like but appropriately calm. I'm not saying that was a flaw. I think 851 01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,960 that made sense, right. Yeah, Yeah, I didn't notice my first 852 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,920 couple of times listening through, but then I was I don't know if I 853 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,159 had it turned up in my earbud, But I was listening to the two 854 01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:23,639 henchmen talking outside, like you can hear their conversation, and the one guy's 855 01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:25,880 like Eddie, He's like, you know, I don't like this, and 856 01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:29,000 Mogo's dope and he's like, uh, you know, it's probably just some 857 01:05:29,079 --> 01:05:33,119 higher yep. And their conversation was making me laugh. Yes, and then 858 01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:39,000 she comes in. He's like hey, then you know, and never once 859 01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:45,400 does he say more than a single syllable. He deals out words like their 860 01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:51,639 bars of gold or whatever. Yeah, yeah, And Jillian and Jason's back 861 01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:56,679 and forth was really good and it was important, like exposition, and important 862 01:05:56,679 --> 01:05:59,920 for the audience to be able to like hear the answers to Jason's question. 863 01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:03,039 I really enjoyed a lot of the lines in there about like the mannequin was 864 01:06:03,079 --> 01:06:05,840 her partner and he says, oh, I can't get it. It's hard 865 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,840 to get a real live person to work with her, yeah, or something 866 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,159 like that, and then later on he's like who taught you how to drive? 867 01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:15,280 And she's like, now I see why you have so many enemies, 868 01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:17,840 like little little things like yeah. I thought was really good, and then 869 01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:24,599 we also find out that her obsession with shoes was real, it wasn't actually 870 01:06:24,679 --> 01:06:29,679 part of the wacky Jillian character, right, yeah. And there was a 871 01:06:29,679 --> 01:06:32,480 couple of things like that where they you know, like the Agilian that we've 872 01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:36,679 come to know isn't all completely in act, Like like he says, why 873 01:06:36,679 --> 01:06:40,239 did you have to destroy that antique basse or whatever? She goes, Oh, 874 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,119 I just tripped over that one, right, yes, yeah, I 875 01:06:43,199 --> 01:06:46,199 know I had that written down too, that Yeah, that one was definitely 876 01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:49,239 one that I was going to bring up to Yeah, it's just there's there's 877 01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:53,480 little bits and I think, what I think you have a note later on 878 01:06:53,719 --> 01:06:57,360 where there was other examples of it too, but yeah, and then also 879 01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,639 we find out that Jason is a gummy worm addict, Like when where did 880 01:07:00,639 --> 01:07:04,440 that come from? Like we've never heard that. Apparently he eats a lot 881 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,679 of candy because Connie said it looked like he mugged a trigger treater and she 882 01:07:08,719 --> 01:07:13,000 got into his car and I had no idea Jason was, you know, 883 01:07:13,159 --> 01:07:17,719 so addicted to sugar. Yeah. Yeah. And also with the same exchange 884 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,840 there, Jason says something about having a headache and she's like, oh, 885 01:07:21,079 --> 01:07:26,719 can't handle a blow to the head like you used to huh. Yeah. 886 01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:30,639 I actually wrote that line down too. That really and that was a good 887 01:07:30,679 --> 01:07:34,199 setup for later. Also, you don't catch at the time because it sounds 888 01:07:34,239 --> 01:07:38,119 like just banter back and forth, you know, And it was funny. 889 01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,599 So that was really well done. And one line that I liked where she 890 01:07:41,679 --> 01:07:44,000 says, what do I have to do for you to trust me? And 891 01:07:44,199 --> 01:07:47,360 he said consistency is what I need. And I thought that was a really 892 01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:51,760 good line about trust actually, like if you know, you can't expect to 893 01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:57,280 people like you you change, and then you expect people to just automatically change 894 01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,239 their opinion of you, but they have to see that over time. Yeah, 895 01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:01,440 and uh. And that was like a theme throughout, you know, 896 01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,920 about the you know, the character has built one block at a time or 897 01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,480 whatever, like some of the stuff that we said. But this was one 898 01:08:08,519 --> 01:08:12,159 of those lines in this conversation that I picked up on and I thought that's 899 01:08:12,159 --> 01:08:15,800 a good a good line about trust. Absolutely, Yeah, we're we're like 900 01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:18,399 going one for one here, because I had that as well. I in 901 01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:23,279 my notes, I just put that was a nice little discussion about trust. 902 01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:30,199 Oh nice. Yeah, and then wet um these allusions to other I started 903 01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:34,079 to say agents but they're they call him agents for the bad side. You 904 01:08:34,079 --> 01:08:38,039 know, we have these little snippets of conversation between these other people, and 905 01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:40,760 you know, we were like, oh, so we have this cobra orange 906 01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,199 that that was the first mention of that, Like, oh, what does 907 01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:45,520 that even mean? And then we get the big reveal, as you already 908 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,039 said, at the end of the episodes, we find out that this is 909 01:08:49,079 --> 01:08:54,720 the Chairman or like, oh my goodness, I remember that moment because I 910 01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,920 was just like me too blown away. Such a great way to bring his 911 01:08:59,039 --> 01:09:01,720 character back is we've all been wanting it for twenty years, you know, 912 01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:05,880 wanting to another storyline, and you can't just bring a character like that back 913 01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:10,079 without an epic storyline or like even Richard Maxwell. You know, you can't 914 01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:13,399 just have Richard Maxwell pop in randomly, you know, like there has to 915 01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,920 be some big reason why he's back. And for the Chairman, who's this 916 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,600 like epic villain of the most epic storyline in Odyssey. Like I thought this 917 01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:24,520 was a great way to reintroduce his character. Yeah, although Kathy did that 918 01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,960 with with Mitch just so he just randomly shows up in that one episode of 919 01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:31,439 you know, well that was just so she could put to rest all the 920 01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:38,079 emails about Connie. Right, yeah, this is tired of that. That 921 01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:41,319 is true, Mitch. Mitch did just pomp in out of the right. 922 01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,319 I mean, but the Chairman can't just call into candid conversation. That feels 923 01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:54,079 different to me. But I was so shocked that, uh, it's the 924 01:09:54,119 --> 01:09:58,000 same actor that they used for the Chairman in Exit, you know, the 925 01:09:58,039 --> 01:10:00,960 one time he because was he only in that one episode? Like I know, 926 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:02,960 he got mentioned a lot, but as a voice, he was only 927 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,319 in the last Novacom episode, right, you know what, I can't remember 928 01:10:06,399 --> 01:10:10,760 for sure, It's been so long since I've heard those because I'm pretty sure 929 01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,199 we only got a couple lines from him, like up in the helicopter. 930 01:10:14,199 --> 01:10:17,840 But I love that they used the same actor. Brian Cummings is what I 931 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,600 saw somewhere. Yes, I did remember hearing that name in the credits. 932 01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:26,880 That was another interesting thing that they at least on the album. I didn't 933 01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,119 listen to the radio version. It might be different, but in the album, 934 01:10:30,199 --> 01:10:34,079 Chris only gives the actor's credits at the end of the last episode and 935 01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:39,199 not in each one. Yeah, yeah, that was interesting. I thought 936 01:10:39,239 --> 01:10:44,720 it was hilarious that Connie forgot to remove the last bit of that message that 937 01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,800 she had written down from Sky that she was supposed to give to Pull House 938 01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:50,920 where she starts calling him names and stuff, and she forgot to tell him 939 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:55,199 he's a weak minded coward and as sorry excuse for a man or whatever. 940 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,880 Yeah, and so she gives him the note and he's like, wait, 941 01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,439 what is this part? He's a oh, you're not you don't need that 942 01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:06,680 part or whatever she says, and that was a oh yeah totally. And 943 01:11:08,119 --> 01:11:12,800 there was another little moment of great sound effects details right there, like you 944 01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,560 hear her grab the note back and she scribbles that part of it out, 945 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:23,520 Like just those little details like maybe Cathy actually wrote direction for that in the 946 01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:27,439 script, but we don't hear anything about that in the dialogue. So right, 947 01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,640 that's all the sound there, you know, and you can hear that 948 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:32,720 happening and you can just fill in the pictures yes in your mind. Yeah, 949 01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,079 little things like that really flesh it out, think it feel feel real. 950 01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:40,000 Yeah, that was really well done. And this is where we find 951 01:11:40,039 --> 01:11:45,439 that Pullhouse is actually fifty five years old. Yeah, and uh yeah, 952 01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:53,640 Burke's lying about that rule about half the age plus seven, which so does 953 01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,920 that mean Sky is like in her twenties? Is that? Was that the 954 01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:02,439 implication? Because if she's thirty four were older than Burke's rule works, she 955 01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,279 sounds like she should be in her thirties. But I don't Yeah, I 956 01:12:06,319 --> 01:12:11,039 don't think they ever said for sure he said. I think he may have 957 01:12:11,079 --> 01:12:15,760 said something about her barely being thirty or something like that. Oh okay, 958 01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:19,800 so I can't remember. But yeah, that whole exchange between him and Burke 959 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:27,439 was hilarious. It doesn't Burke seem a little uh dopier than he used to 960 01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:31,119 be? Does that? Is that just me this album? Yeah? Maybe? 961 01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,880 Or maybe it's just that we've we hear more from him now we're really 962 01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:40,039 getting the full character. I enjoyed it, don't get me wrong. Yeah, 963 01:12:40,119 --> 01:12:45,439 and I enjoy any anytime Polehouses with somebody who's I don't know that is 964 01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:51,359 a little bit goofy. I really enjoy it because he's so cunning. Yeah. 965 01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:56,960 Now, that calendar trick that Gillian pulled to let Wit know what was 966 01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:00,840 going on, bro, that was so genius. I would never figured that 967 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,640 out. No, Okay, get this, I think I told you this 968 01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,079 at the time, But I would have been like, okay, how would 969 01:13:06,079 --> 01:13:12,479 Wit ever even know to put those things together? But Alison, my wife, 970 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,640 when we first listened to it after it was given the calendar by Connie, 971 01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:17,560 she goes pause the episode and I was like, what, okay, 972 01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,039 I paused the episode and she figured it out. She knew as soon as 973 01:13:21,079 --> 01:13:25,479 she yes, and I was like, I'm married a genius, Like who 974 01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,279 are you. I was like, you're on Wit levels? Wow, because 975 01:13:29,319 --> 01:13:31,199 I never would have figured that out. But I couldn't believe she was like 976 01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:35,279 she and she went through you know, July, August, September, octobernever 977 01:13:35,359 --> 01:13:39,640 she goes that supposed Jason, and I was like, what, Wow, 978 01:13:40,119 --> 01:13:44,199 how in the world. So I'm so impressed, shout out to my brilliant 979 01:13:44,199 --> 01:13:47,119 wife. Yeah, because I mean Wit has it for like two seconds and 980 01:13:47,159 --> 01:13:50,159 then he like sits it down and he can make some kind of like a 981 01:13:50,399 --> 01:13:55,920 just a you know, a sound like m or you know, okay or 982 01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,560 something like that. Like he totally you could tell that he had figured it 983 01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,720 out, but he wasn't gonna say anything to Connie, I know at the 984 01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,119 moment, And I would have thought that was unrealistic. If my wife hadn't 985 01:14:05,159 --> 01:14:08,479 figured it out that mast Like I would have been like, come on, 986 01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,159 there's no way, you know, but no, there is a way. 987 01:14:11,279 --> 01:14:14,279 Yeah. Well in the moment, you don't know either as the listener that 988 01:14:14,359 --> 01:14:18,039 he's just figured this thing out until later. But listening back, I was 989 01:14:18,039 --> 01:14:21,359 like, man, that was awfully quick for him to pick her up on 990 01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:25,960 that. But then I also thought, you know, of course he has 991 01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:32,000 a huge background in intelligence and so he's trained to look up. Yeah, 992 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,039 I look for that kind of stuff. So yeah, that was that was 993 01:14:35,119 --> 01:14:45,880 genius though. Yeah, this is mister search for Yeah. Oh yeah. 994 01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,600 So here's here's what I was alluding to earlier when we were talking about Jillian's 995 01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:55,720 character when she actually starts talking with Connie and stuff about actually liking spoonfuls of 996 01:14:55,800 --> 01:15:00,880 mayo or whatever and stuff that sounds disgusting to me, but you know, 997 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,039 it makes this character more believable, and it's and you know, they used 998 01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:10,800 or Jillian in the world. She used these quirks or things about her own 999 01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:15,680 personality and just to kind of exaggerated those parts of her to create this persona 1000 01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:21,199 and it was just so so well done. Yeah, and I loved Connie's 1001 01:15:21,279 --> 01:15:26,680 questions when she was figuring out that Jillian was it. She's like, Jillian, 1002 01:15:27,119 --> 01:15:30,159 why do you know the correct meaning of compromise? Later on she's like, 1003 01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:38,239 you mean the word intelligence is in your actual title. I loved those 1004 01:15:38,319 --> 01:15:42,159 lines. Yes, I was like, And another line I don't know if 1005 01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:44,760 we're to this part yet, but I wrote it down is when they're talking 1006 01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:53,279 about her jewelry business and why those cufflings gave me nightmares. It seemed like 1007 01:15:53,279 --> 01:15:57,079 an uncharacteristic wit thing did name, but it was so funny. Yeah, 1008 01:15:57,159 --> 01:16:06,159 yeah, that totally Oh goodness. One thing though, it was interesting to 1009 01:16:06,399 --> 01:16:11,520 hear a little bit more about the layout of the town because they said that 1010 01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:15,479 Hal's Diner is two lots down from Triple J because you know, they were 1011 01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:20,359 looking at security camera footage from hals Diner from the alley and yeah, I 1012 01:16:20,359 --> 01:16:23,720 don't know if that has ever been said before on the show. I think 1013 01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,880 I talked about this in my initial reaction, but that was something that I 1014 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,119 picked up on. But have we ever heard anything about that was being so 1015 01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:33,600 close to each other before on the show? No, No, not that 1016 01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:38,319 I remember. I think it was just another case of like pulling you know, 1017 01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:42,199 a business that we would know or recognize from Odyssey. I don't know 1018 01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:46,399 how insistent it is. Another question that I had was Jason says something about 1019 01:16:47,119 --> 01:16:53,399 Dervishi didn't have the same accent and that it wasn't Dervici that he spoke to 1020 01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:57,199 in the cabin. But how did he know what Dervishi's accent sounded like? 1021 01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:02,199 Did I miss something or Jason? Yeah, Jason had been investigating Dr Vici 1022 01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,760 when he was still with the agency, Okay, And Okay, that's the 1023 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:10,399 whole reason, because they were like, I think it was Jillian that said 1024 01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:14,920 that Jason had been tracing things back to Drvici, but they couldn't find anything 1025 01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,119 solid on him, but they kept monitoring him, and so then they realized 1026 01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:21,560 that there was something going on. Jason's name started popping up, and that's 1027 01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:26,640 why they knew there was something going on in Odyssey with or something was about 1028 01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:30,359 to go on. So I think Jason had some prior experience with him past. 1029 01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,319 Okay, I guess that explains it. I just wasn't listening closely enough 1030 01:17:34,359 --> 01:17:40,680 apparently. Yeah, because there's a lot of little threads. You know, 1031 01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,520 we have the Colette bland Shire and the Blandshire Foundation, and then they suddenly 1032 01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,680 Lily Grahmas involved, and there's all these things I know, well, and 1033 01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,000 here's one thing that I didn't understand. Maybe you can help me with this. 1034 01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:54,079 And maybe this is jumping ahead a little too much, because it seems 1035 01:17:54,119 --> 01:17:57,399 like like there was people in the NSA that had one half of the codes 1036 01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:00,399 for the like the launch codes for the submarines, and the people in the 1037 01:18:00,399 --> 01:18:02,800 Pentagon that had the other half, Like he needed both, and so they 1038 01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,560 needed Jason's codes, and then they needed somebody from the Pentagons. And so 1039 01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,960 at first I was like, Okay, well that makes sense why the chairman 1040 01:18:10,039 --> 01:18:12,840 is asking for his contact at the Pentagon when he's in the cabin at the 1041 01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:16,119 beginning. But then it sounded like the Chairman is actually the one at the 1042 01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:19,399 Pentagon who is the link. So why was he asking for Jason's contact at 1043 01:18:19,399 --> 01:18:24,520 the Pentagon? Yeah, that is a good point. Maybe it was just 1044 01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:29,159 because he wanted to try to turn them or something. Who knows, Maybe 1045 01:18:29,159 --> 01:18:33,920 he has some other ulterior motive for knowing who Jason's contact is. Maybe it 1046 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,159 wasn't that he was trying to get the codes because he knew that he could 1047 01:18:36,199 --> 01:18:41,279 get those from Jason. No, because yeah, because they said later on 1048 01:18:41,319 --> 01:18:46,199 that he is in the Pentagon. Yeah right, right, So maybe because 1049 01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:51,680 he doesn't have access to the codes himself and he needed to know who did 1050 01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:55,680 have them so that he could get them. Well, and since the device 1051 01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:59,479 was in Jason's brain, maybe just by asking him that question, Jason thought 1052 01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:03,439 the answer and he found out Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know. 1053 01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:08,119 Yeah, that could be too, because yeah, because if he's if he 1054 01:19:08,279 --> 01:19:14,000 is embedded in the Pentagon himself, then because they were able to launch one 1055 01:19:14,039 --> 01:19:16,640 of the subs, so he did get some of the codes from somebody, 1056 01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:21,239 Yeah, so he wouldn't have needed that other person to get Yeah. So 1057 01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:26,000 so maybe that's all it was. He was him trying to get Jason to 1058 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:30,880 start thinking about the subs in general. Yeah, I don't know, Yeah, 1059 01:19:30,079 --> 01:19:34,760 yeah, exactly, just by bringing them to Pentagon. I don't know. 1060 01:19:36,039 --> 01:19:42,880 There's another another thing for the listeners to weigh in on if if you 1061 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,239 have some theories or if we missed something, let us know, Yeah, 1062 01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:50,000 because I don't know if it was ever explicitly said that the chairman was the 1063 01:19:50,039 --> 01:19:54,119 other one who gave the code. I think I was assuming that based on 1064 01:19:54,119 --> 01:19:58,960 stuff that was said at the end. But and I think we've passed this, 1065 01:19:59,039 --> 01:20:02,079 but I wrote down when when they were calling Sky when it was revealed 1066 01:20:02,119 --> 01:20:05,880 that Sky was Cobra Orange, or they're calling the number for Cobra Orange and 1067 01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:09,640 it turned out to be the Sky, and Connie's the one calling for some 1068 01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,359 reason, and she's like, what do I say if they pick up Hi, 1069 01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:17,600 I'm taking a poll? Are you a terrorist? Yeah? Yeah? 1070 01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:21,560 And then that's when we first hear about this other person called Agent one. 1071 01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:26,840 Right, it's like, yeah, we have Cobra Orange, Like that's a 1072 01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,239 cool name. Couldn't come up with a more creative name. They're Cathy Agent 1073 01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:38,000 one? Like how boring is that? Yeah? The names for different things, 1074 01:20:38,079 --> 01:20:40,800 like the names of two of the subs are of fair play in Oraton. 1075 01:20:41,239 --> 01:20:44,920 I don't even know what Oraton means. It was gonna look it up 1076 01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:45,800 and I forgot. Do you know what I mean? No? I don't, 1077 01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:51,079 And I don't know what Helsinki means. Helsinki is a city in Finland. 1078 01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:58,640 Oh, okay, is that where That's where Davici was from? Finland? 1079 01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:01,640 Oh? Maybe it was. It was somewhere over there in Europe, 1080 01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:06,119 right, it was something Scandinavian. I thought, I thought it was Norway, 1081 01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:09,640 but maybe I, oh, no, I think it was Norway. 1082 01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:13,479 I think they said Norway. So yeah, it doesn't matter because it was 1083 01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,479 just a password event. I didn't know what that was. So there were 1084 01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,800 a lot of cool names, is my point, Like a lot of random 1085 01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:25,479 words being thrown around there. And then Agent one, Oh goodness, you 1086 01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:30,920 know that's good. That's good. She's like, I spent all of my 1087 01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:32,880 brain power thinking of all this other cool stuff. I don't I don't want 1088 01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:38,039 to do one more. My last name was Helsinki and I was done up. 1089 01:21:42,119 --> 01:21:45,079 So and then right after that, we you know, we get to 1090 01:21:45,119 --> 01:21:49,720 reveal that it is actually Sky is involved because she Connie calls her phone and 1091 01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:54,960 gets her voicemail and or like what so again that's the end of the episode, 1092 01:21:54,960 --> 01:22:00,000 another reveal. So just just great writing. There's so many good little 1093 01:22:00,359 --> 01:22:03,199 yeah story beats throughout this thing that was It was paced out really well. 1094 01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:09,319 Yes, each episode ending reveal I really enjoyed. Yeah, Jillian the chairman 1095 01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:15,920 Sky, you know, like that was definitely great cliffhangers. Another cool sound 1096 01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:19,960 design thing is I love when they anytime they do those perspective shifts, and 1097 01:22:20,359 --> 01:22:25,520 they did that here with a Pollhouse is talking to Wit over his car's Bluetooth 1098 01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:29,119 connection and then suddenly towards the end of the call, it switches over to 1099 01:22:29,159 --> 01:22:31,880 witt side and just those little things. I love it when they do that, 1100 01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,399 and just was really cool. Well yeah, and they did. They 1101 01:22:34,399 --> 01:22:38,319 had done that earlier too, with when he was talking to Jason and we 1102 01:22:38,319 --> 01:22:40,800 were with Jason and then it switched over to Wit and then the call ended. 1103 01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:45,680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're doing good, good job. Although 1104 01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,520 I do have one sound design thing that I was wondering about, like when 1105 01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:54,680 she when Detective Pullhouse is talking to her and then she leaves Sky Sky. 1106 01:22:55,239 --> 01:22:59,039 She's in an electric car, right, but like when she skidded away, 1107 01:22:59,079 --> 01:23:01,800 I was like, do electric cars like peel out like that? Yes, 1108 01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,319 that was shocking to me, Like if they really do? You know, 1109 01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:10,800 Wow, I probably should apologize about the jokes I made about electric cars, 1110 01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:14,760 but that is so funny. I had that in my notes too. I 1111 01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,760 said, did you the effect for Sky's electric car sounded a little weird. 1112 01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:23,279 It sounded a little like she was gunning the gas. Yeah, yeah, 1113 01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:28,039 maybe it was a hybrid. Maybe it was you know, I meant it 1114 01:23:28,079 --> 01:23:30,159 was a funny sound effect. Like. It made me laugh at the time, 1115 01:23:30,199 --> 01:23:32,520 but then I was like, it was not an electric car. Yeah, 1116 01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:36,079 I mean he even comments on her being in a hurry and so apparently 1117 01:23:36,119 --> 01:23:40,760 it was supposed to be her taking off quickly, but it just sound it 1118 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,159 didn't sound like an electric car. But I don't really know. I don't 1119 01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:45,920 I mean, I know people who have a Tesla, but I've never driven 1120 01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,680 one or been close by. I don't really know how they sound. This 1121 01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,520 is what it sounds like when they peel out. It's like click click. 1122 01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,680 That's not just that's just not gonna sound good on an audio job. Yeah, 1123 01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:04,840 apparently. I also loved Connie mentioning taking a Nancy Drew Solve on Mystery 1124 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:12,399 class. That was so funny. I think I've mentioned this before, but 1125 01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:16,439 I've actually played several of the Nancy Drew computer games, which are are quite 1126 01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:21,319 quite fun. You know, you actually play her go through solving the mystery, 1127 01:24:21,319 --> 01:24:25,600 and the Hardy Boys show up in some of them, and so it's 1128 01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:29,119 it's pretty cool. But it's been a it's been a while. In the 1129 01:24:29,119 --> 01:24:31,800 same universe. Yeah, well, they they're even in some of the books. 1130 01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,600 They they show up together to you. Yeah, it's pretty cool. 1131 01:24:35,279 --> 01:24:39,520 Yeah, but yeah, so her little reference there, it kind of made 1132 01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:45,000 me think of the Nancy Drew computer games, even though it wasn't explicitly stated. 1133 01:24:45,039 --> 01:24:49,600 But that's great. So what were you thinking the O MHO one four 1134 01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:54,199 was standing for on the notepad? I was like, I have no idea. 1135 01:24:54,239 --> 01:24:56,279 I'm not even gonna try to figure out out. I had no idea 1136 01:24:56,359 --> 01:24:59,640 either, like with like, I didn't even come up with wiscas of a 1137 01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:00,640 license play And then I was like, oh that is that does sound like 1138 01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,279 a license plate? You know? Yeah, I had no idea what that 1139 01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:09,159 was. And this is where we find out that Jillian is actually a Christian 1140 01:25:09,399 --> 01:25:14,560 and that she's a missionary kid and her parents were missionaries to Zimbabwe for what 1141 01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,600 you say, fifteen years or something like that. Yeah, I don't know. 1142 01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:21,399 I didn't write done how long? But has there been other references to 1143 01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:25,159 Zimbabwe in the show? I know that's random, but it sounds like it 1144 01:25:25,239 --> 01:25:28,399 was just a random African country pulled out of the air. But where Oh 1145 01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,880 no, Eugene's parents were in Zaire, which is the Congo Oh okay, 1146 01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:34,880 I think that was the z name I was thinking of. Yeah, I 1147 01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:39,880 don't I don't recall any other previous mention, but you know, there's nine 1148 01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:44,800 hundred and fifty episodes, so I maybe missing It did feel very convenient to 1149 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,720 like quickly established like no, no, she's actually very godly and like loves 1150 01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:51,319 the look, you know, when there hasn't been any endom any kind of 1151 01:25:51,359 --> 01:25:55,479 spiritual depth of well. I mean, I don't know, maybe her like 1152 01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,760 a cupcake analogy to jewels or whoever. It was too you know, maybe 1153 01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:01,119 that was like something she learned on the mission field, but it didn't feel 1154 01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:03,720 very abrupt. I was like, oh, okay, well good, we 1155 01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:09,520 can check that off of Connie's list of what's necessary in a suitor for Jason. 1156 01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:15,000 Yeah. Yeah, maybe as part of her dizzy Jillian persona she wasn't 1157 01:26:15,039 --> 01:26:19,319 supposed to let people know. I don't know. Yeah, I loved Connie 1158 01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,960 saying though I thought you grew up in a circus, and she's like, 1159 01:26:23,039 --> 01:26:25,680 I never told you that. She's like, well, that was the only 1160 01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:30,520 thing that made sense. I love that line, too. Correct me up. 1161 01:26:31,199 --> 01:26:34,199 Okay, so I'm going to broach a subject and I'm gonna bring it 1162 01:26:34,279 --> 01:26:39,800 up a little more and as we get further down the chronology, but so 1163 01:26:40,039 --> 01:26:43,840 because there's things going on in Jason's mind. I think they focused on the 1164 01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:47,000 theme of like trust and sacrifice, but this seems like it would have been 1165 01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:51,319 a great opportunity to talk about like spiritual warfare and in your mind and like 1166 01:26:51,399 --> 01:26:57,119 resisting temptation, resisting things. And what was really interesting to me is they 1167 01:26:57,119 --> 01:27:00,199 started talking about nudges from God and Jillian says, it was a nudge from 1168 01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:01,560 God that you know, made me join the agency, and Jason's like, 1169 01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,640 yeah, I've experienced that too, And they were kind of implying, or 1170 01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:09,960 she was asking or somebody was asking if the fact that Jason was thinking about 1171 01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,800 these subs was a nudge from God, and he says, I don't know, 1172 01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:16,399 um, but I just thought it was interesting that what they were considering 1173 01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:20,960 could be a nudge from God was actually the enemy working in his brain. 1174 01:27:23,239 --> 01:27:26,600 And I was like, man, there's like there's and you find that out 1175 01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:31,239 later, But confusing a nudge from God with the enemy like working like suggesting 1176 01:27:31,319 --> 01:27:34,560 thoughts, you know, like that's really interesting. There's like a lot of 1177 01:27:35,239 --> 01:27:40,720 spiritual warfare kind of stuff going on in this kind of a I don't know, 1178 01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:44,199 there was I feel like once once he started talking, and I'm probably 1179 01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:46,840 jumping ahead, huh, because we didn't get that revelation yet about Jason's brain, 1180 01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:50,680 But just just this conversation about the nudges from God that made me start 1181 01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:54,319 thinking about it. And then later on, of course there's a whole lot 1182 01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:58,159 that has to do with the brain. Which yeah, as we as we 1183 01:27:58,159 --> 01:28:00,880 talked more about it, I can bring up more stuff about Yeah, no, 1184 01:28:00,119 --> 01:28:03,880 that that's definitely a good point. And I hadn't actually thought about that 1185 01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:08,960 angle, but yeah, that's that's really interesting. And I just feel like 1186 01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,800 they missed an opportunity to delve a little deeper into that, to be honest, 1187 01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:16,600 Like I wish they would have given some because I have people that like 1188 01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:20,039 maybe they're watching YouTube late at night or whatever, but they get scared about 1189 01:28:20,079 --> 01:28:24,000 this kind of stuff, you know, like this is like to think if 1190 01:28:24,319 --> 01:28:28,159 this was actually possible, Like what's going on in these episodes that is really 1191 01:28:28,199 --> 01:28:31,560 scary, you know, and that that it's like uncomfortable scary, you know, 1192 01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:35,600 like from a spiritual point of view, And I would have really loved 1193 01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:41,600 them to dive a little deeper into we have power from the Holy Spirit too, 1194 01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,520 Like there is a battle being waged in our minds, and we have 1195 01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:49,920 power from God to resist things that are are being suggested to us, you 1196 01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:54,479 know. Yeah, So anyways, but yeah, that is I thought that 1197 01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:58,479 was interesting. That is very interesting, and you're right, they definitely could 1198 01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:01,079 have gone that direction, and maybe it was just a time thing, although 1199 01:29:01,159 --> 01:29:04,880 again, these were shorter episodes a lot of them, so maybe they could 1200 01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:09,039 have. But yeah, it did seem like some of this stuff, like 1201 01:29:09,039 --> 01:29:15,960 I don't know when the Novacom connection was first right around out Oh, I 1202 01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,199 thought you were talking about Connie mentioned. I mean just like like I'm talking 1203 01:29:18,199 --> 01:29:21,279 about like in the writing stages, Like this might have been an element that 1204 01:29:21,319 --> 01:29:25,520 was introduced later on in the drafting process, which would make sense why they 1205 01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,319 didn't go more in depth into it. But I just think this is such 1206 01:29:28,319 --> 01:29:32,800 a good opportunity to talk about some of these things. So and then we'll 1207 01:29:33,159 --> 01:29:36,199 get into that a little bit more. But before before we do that, 1208 01:29:36,279 --> 01:29:39,880 I just wanted to mention that there was a couple of funny things that happen 1209 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:45,000 in the interim right before we get to this deeper discussion again about trustworthiness. 1210 01:29:45,399 --> 01:29:48,520 Well, first we actually hear Jason's agent number, which we haven't heard in 1211 01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:53,680 a long time. She said, she calls him so Agent one one. 1212 01:29:54,119 --> 01:29:56,880 Oh I didn't even catch that. How did I not catch that? That's 1213 01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:00,640 great? Yeah, so that was a cool another cool callback which also kind 1214 01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:05,199 of you know that she actually knows his number. It kind of lends a 1215 01:30:05,239 --> 01:30:10,960 little more credibility to I think by this time he already trusted her. But 1216 01:30:11,399 --> 01:30:14,479 that was just a little detail that she dropped in. But then right after 1217 01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:18,159 that, we have this hilarious thing with the Pullhouse and Burke again. And 1218 01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:23,439 so Burke is agreeing with pull House about him being an idiot for carrying her 1219 01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:28,680 or suitcase, and he's like, he's like yeah, Like he's like, 1220 01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:32,239 well, you're not supposed to agree with me. Yeah. Yeah, He's 1221 01:30:32,239 --> 01:30:35,960 like, I am such an idiot. I know you carried a criminal suitcase 1222 01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:42,680 through a car and help through. Yeah. I've definitely been on like the 1223 01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:45,159 Pullhouse side of that, where I've I've been self deprecating and somebody's agreed with 1224 01:30:45,239 --> 01:30:51,239 me and it's like, hey, yeah, I wanted you to make me 1225 01:30:51,239 --> 01:30:56,520 feel better, right. Yeah, that exchange it was just so great. 1226 01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:58,720 And then we go right back into this, you know, more of a 1227 01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,520 serious thing, and so Jilly and but it was interesting. So now Jillian 1228 01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:06,439 is kind of questioning Jason's trustworthiness, whereas earlier it was the other way around. 1229 01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:12,000 And so she's asking Wit about Jason being turned, is there a possibility? 1230 01:31:12,039 --> 01:31:15,279 And and so It's like, yes, with of course it's his son. 1231 01:31:15,319 --> 01:31:18,079 He's going to stick out for him, right. I know when she 1232 01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:20,319 said, I want you to answer this as an agent, not as a 1233 01:31:20,359 --> 01:31:23,920 father, and I'm like, there is no way, Wit whatever answer that 1234 01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:27,119 as an agent, not as a father, like that was not even an 1235 01:31:27,119 --> 01:31:29,920 option for him. And at first I thought, well, come on, 1236 01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:31,399 she's just she's being too hard. But then I thought, on the other 1237 01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:35,199 hand, maybe she is being practical. This is the world that she knows. 1238 01:31:35,319 --> 01:31:40,720 And that's funny because I actually thought Wit was being a little naive about 1239 01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:45,720 human nature to be so adamant that Jason could never turn, like I was 1240 01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,479 like, and I know, like he's a father. And the relationship between 1241 01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:53,239 Wit and Jason makes me think of some people that I know, a dad 1242 01:31:53,279 --> 01:31:56,800 and a son that I know, and they have a very similar like a 1243 01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:00,159 lot of the lines and stuff. And I was thinking about this guy there, 1244 01:32:00,199 --> 01:32:01,359 it's a guy in our church and his son, and I was thinking, 1245 01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:05,079 this is exactly how he would respond if anybody asked him anything about his 1246 01:32:05,119 --> 01:32:08,960 son, Like you would just adamantly defend him to the death, you know. 1247 01:32:09,279 --> 01:32:11,960 So it didn't seem out of character of Wit for me. But I 1248 01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,520 was like, and I understand. I really liked what Wit said about character 1249 01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:18,800 is built one block at a time, and you and it's based on his 1250 01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:24,560 his character over like that again back to the accumulation of these acts. Yeah, 1251 01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:29,159 yeah, but we have seen times where like even them when Jason was 1252 01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:32,199 in London and the episode titles are called the Labyrinth and he talks about getting 1253 01:32:32,199 --> 01:32:36,479 trapped in the Labyrinth and suddenly you're not sure what's true and what's a lie? 1254 01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:41,279 So like and obviously in this case, we as the audience, we're 1255 01:32:41,279 --> 01:32:43,640 on Jason's side, and we know that he hasn't turned, we know he's 1256 01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:45,640 not going to turn, and we we react like Wit. But I did. 1257 01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,640 I did think it was interesting. I was like, with human nature 1258 01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:53,840 being what it is, people can turn, you know, like they can 1259 01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:58,840 you know, Sky for example, has she has left her father's motto of 1260 01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:08,520 quality but cheap and has gone after money. Sorry that was dumb. Anyways, 1261 01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,439 I just it's funny that you you thought Jillian was being hard and I 1262 01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:15,800 was like, wait, come on, well, I think both can be 1263 01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,479 true. I did think that he was very, very adamant, and I 1264 01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:23,000 was like, come on, you have to at least consider the possibility. 1265 01:33:23,039 --> 01:33:26,800 And later on in the conversation he does. He says that's true. He 1266 01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:30,399 does. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, it is an interesting dynamic that 1267 01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:32,680 was going on there. Yeah. Yeah. What what was the line at 1268 01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:36,159 the end where he does kind of concede. I can't yeah, I can't 1269 01:33:36,199 --> 01:33:40,560 remember exactly what he says, but he does say I can see what you're 1270 01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:44,439 saying or something along those lines, right, Yeah, that was what it 1271 01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,319 was like. She was saying, put yourself in my shoes and what would 1272 01:33:46,359 --> 01:33:49,279 you think? You know? And so, and then he kind of conceded. 1273 01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:54,079 But I did really love his line about a person's character being built one 1274 01:33:54,119 --> 01:33:58,159 block at a time. I think that's so true. So even though I'm 1275 01:33:58,199 --> 01:34:01,279 saying Wit was a little naive and nature, I also really loved that line 1276 01:34:01,319 --> 01:34:04,159 and I love the point that was being made. Yeah, because it doesn't 1277 01:34:04,199 --> 01:34:08,800 it doesn't just happen overnight, but we don't always see what's going on. 1278 01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,600 In a person's mind and heart and life is my point, right, But 1279 01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,039 it is true that that we can see people buy their fruits, especially for 1280 01:34:15,119 --> 01:34:19,680 livingally, you know, in close proximity with them. And anyway, Yeah, 1281 01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:23,600 well, and even Chris in the wrap up, because we're right near 1282 01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:27,159 the end of this episode, she talks about these there's a really great lesson 1283 01:34:27,199 --> 01:34:30,680 about ethics, and she says there will be times in our lives when we 1284 01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:36,079 need to reevaluate and decide if what we're doing is right. Yeah, And 1285 01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:40,880 I liked that she. I actually had a note about that wrap up because 1286 01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:45,119 I was when they called doctor Graham to find out about this Blanchire foundation and 1287 01:34:45,159 --> 01:34:48,119 all that. I don't know what you thought about the conversation, but I 1288 01:34:48,119 --> 01:34:51,199 remember when I was first listening and I was like, doctor Graham is like 1289 01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:57,640 very calm about this like earth shattering technology that is totally unethical, you know, 1290 01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,359 like yeah, And she's like and I was like, huh, you 1291 01:35:00,399 --> 01:35:03,479 know this really could be used the wrong people. I'm like, are you 1292 01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:06,520 on the evil side? Doctor? Like who are you? I don't know 1293 01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:13,119 you anymore? Lily. That's how I felt, and the I just I 1294 01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:15,760 thought she was so calm and just explaining this to them, you know, 1295 01:35:16,239 --> 01:35:19,199 and just I mean secretive about it or whatever. And I'm glad that she 1296 01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:24,159 was having doubts, but she stick stuck with it until the funding was pulled, 1297 01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:27,520 you know. And I thought that was very strange that she's just like, 1298 01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,039 yeah, we were working on some like mind all training technology, but 1299 01:35:30,399 --> 01:35:33,600 we you know, funding ran out, budget cuts, you know, how 1300 01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:39,680 to I was like, well, that seems like pretty significant. Yeah, 1301 01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:43,600 that's true. She was pretty whole humb about the whole thing, and it 1302 01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,600 seemed like it had been quite a while or at least a few writers since 1303 01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:49,880 then, so maybe you kind of wore off, you know, in her 1304 01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:55,960 mind. But still, do you think this was like connected somehow with this 1305 01:35:56,079 --> 01:36:00,560 is just like in universe theory, but like was the chairman ending a lot 1306 01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:03,560 of these different like mind control research things, and he ended up going with 1307 01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:10,199 because of armitage things going with Eugene's research and pulled the funding for this other 1308 01:36:10,199 --> 01:36:13,079 one that doctor Graham was a part of. Like it is that connected do 1309 01:36:13,119 --> 01:36:15,800 you think? Or is it? Am I like reading way too much into 1310 01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:19,720 that? Who knows? It could be. I think they've alluded to it 1311 01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:24,720 on the podcast that you know, the chairman is coming back, right right, 1312 01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:28,439 So, and Connie does say, wow, this sounds like novacom, 1313 01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:32,199 you know. So it's like this, this stuff has been happening before in 1314 01:36:32,359 --> 01:36:38,119 this world of Odyssey, so who knows it could be all tied together somewhere, 1315 01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:41,680 or at least so they could make it all tied together, even if 1316 01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:45,560 it wasn't originally planned that way, right right. So, then as as 1317 01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:48,760 we have all of these episodes, we have this major reveal at the end, 1318 01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:53,479 and I'm gonna play a clip of this too. It's a great moment 1319 01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:57,000 too. But what really stuck out to me was this is, in my 1320 01:36:57,279 --> 01:37:01,800 opinion, the best music queue in this entire album, like the last music 1321 01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:06,119 ce It's just amazing if you listen closely, how it just starts off real 1322 01:37:06,199 --> 01:37:13,359 subdued, just underscoring this this moment of Jason and everybody coming to this realization 1323 01:37:13,399 --> 01:37:15,920 that they're reading his brain, you know, and then it builds up and 1324 01:37:16,079 --> 01:37:19,880 just and it just it's it's John Campbell at his best. All right, 1325 01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:25,560 you were talking and your sleep It was saying a series of numbers and letters. 1326 01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:30,520 I was twenty seven, Deka, stop dad, don't go on. 1327 01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:33,239 Well that's all you said. I thought it was gibberish. That was the 1328 01:37:33,239 --> 01:37:36,680 beginning of the code to the Oroton missile, and something was triggering you to 1329 01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:41,119 see it out loud. I thought the subs were coming to mind because something 1330 01:37:41,199 --> 01:37:48,880 was wrong, but they Dervishi was making them come to mind. I'm the 1331 01:37:48,960 --> 01:38:08,680 leak. They're reading my brain. Someone is reading Jason's brain. So good. 1332 01:38:10,319 --> 01:38:13,640 That was really good. I didn't pay attention to the music, but 1333 01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:16,479 it's it's like a little bit creepy. And the way it drops right before 1334 01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:19,880 the revelation. Yeah, they're reading my brain, you know, and then 1335 01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:24,479 its beats up again and like it's all that is a great music cue. 1336 01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:27,800 I'm glad you pointed that out. Yeah, it's my favorite one in the 1337 01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,560 whole album, and I think it's it's probably the best. It's it's just 1338 01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:34,640 so good. Yeah. Yeah, that's still that gives me, Like that 1339 01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:40,960 line gives me chills too, probably partially because of the music cue. Definitely. 1340 01:38:41,119 --> 01:38:45,960 Yeah. Well so that brings us to episode nine, fifty Daybreak. 1341 01:38:45,159 --> 01:38:48,880 Now. I think this was the shortest one, so we had these recaps 1342 01:38:49,039 --> 01:38:54,239 on most of the episodes, so we actually when we had seventeen about seventeen 1343 01:38:54,279 --> 01:38:58,279 and a half minutes of actual new content in this one, once you take 1344 01:38:58,319 --> 01:39:01,039 out the recap and the credits. Oh wow, so it was a really 1345 01:39:01,079 --> 01:39:04,800 short one. But speaking of short, we also find out that Odyssey is 1346 01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:11,279 only a ninety minute flight away from DC. I know. That surprised me. 1347 01:39:11,359 --> 01:39:14,640 I was like, yeah, Connie and Joanna took the long way around 1348 01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:19,800 to get Then. I was thinking about it, and I was like, 1349 01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:25,680 if Odyssey is in like somewhere around Ohio or whatever, I could see that 1350 01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:29,199 only being it like, you could get a lot of places in ninety minutes 1351 01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:31,760 from DC. Probably, I don't really know. It's far for you and 1352 01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:38,319 me to get, right. But so, but we already knew Odyssey wasn't 1353 01:39:38,319 --> 01:39:43,359 in Colorado or Arizona. That's already been confirmed. Yeah, that's true illusions 1354 01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,079 or delusions. Yeah, but that, Yeah, that did strike me weird. 1355 01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:49,920 Also, I don't know why. Yeah. So yeah, so they're 1356 01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:56,239 thinking that, or at least Jillian's proposing the idea that it's possible that Jason 1357 01:39:56,359 --> 01:40:00,359 hopped a plane went to the Pentagon without even really knowing it. You know, 1358 01:40:01,119 --> 01:40:04,319 this this thing is controlling his brain so much that he could do that 1359 01:40:04,359 --> 01:40:08,960 without knowing it or even possibly even know about it, and that he really 1360 01:40:09,079 --> 01:40:13,880 is working for the wrong side or something. Yeah, it's interesting. Well, 1361 01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:18,560 and she's just basing it all off of plausibility rather than probability. You 1362 01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,359 know. It's like, no, well you could have you know, there 1363 01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:26,680 was there was this chunk of time. Yeah, you you left the shop 1364 01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:31,439 early on Monday and then come back until Tuesday afternoon or evening or whatever it 1365 01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:34,279 was that she said that, you know, yeah, but he was just 1366 01:40:34,319 --> 01:40:43,359 an odinton not even ninety minutes away by car. I like, Connie's lying 1367 01:40:43,399 --> 01:40:45,960 about can we knock him out, hit him with a chair or something? 1368 01:40:45,239 --> 01:40:50,079 And Jason says, thanks, love you too, Connie. Yeah. I 1369 01:40:50,159 --> 01:40:56,039 also wondered if that was a very intentional thing from Kathy two to have him 1370 01:40:56,079 --> 01:41:00,760 say I love you to Connie in such a flippant way, another kind of 1371 01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:04,760 nod to the people who want them to to get together. It's like, 1372 01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:10,000 this is never gonna happen. This is a almost like a brother sister kind 1373 01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:14,840 of relationship that they have there. Yeah, yeah, it was. It 1374 01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:18,399 was kind of conspicuous. And then her trying to distract him from thinking about 1375 01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:21,000 the subs and she keeps saying all these sub related words, you know, 1376 01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:30,319 sub shop and substitute teacher and all this subconscious. Yeah, the way she 1377 01:41:30,399 --> 01:41:33,279 paused after each time she said sub even if it was in the middle of 1378 01:41:33,279 --> 01:41:36,960 before. Yeah, but this is another one of those points, like what 1379 01:41:38,039 --> 01:41:40,279 I was bringing up earlier, This was actually where I was thinking about it 1380 01:41:40,319 --> 01:41:42,880 the most. Like this is where I feel like they really like they played 1381 01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:46,079 it for laughs, but like this could have been a really powerful teaching moment 1382 01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:53,039 about resisting temptation because and just to give that hope that yes, you can 1383 01:41:53,239 --> 01:41:57,439 overcome even what's like because you know, our brains are so funny, because 1384 01:41:57,439 --> 01:42:00,000 when you tell somebody not to think about something, you know, don't think 1385 01:42:00,119 --> 01:42:01,920 about pink elephants, and immediately pink elephants popping in your head. You know, 1386 01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:05,359 Like that is how our brains work. And I've heard teaching on this, 1387 01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:10,359 and I've taught on this, like with our youth group about we have 1388 01:42:10,439 --> 01:42:13,800 to And so Wit did say this, but I just wish it would have 1389 01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:15,319 been a little bit more, because it's like, can't you just sing some 1390 01:42:15,359 --> 01:42:18,319 songs or recite some poetry or something. But I was hoping for a little 1391 01:42:18,319 --> 01:42:23,800 more from Wit about like, no, you we can get control of our 1392 01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:26,680 thinking, Like our thinking isn't just completely outside of our control. And even 1393 01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:30,479 with this chip in his brain, I wish they would have given some strategies 1394 01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:35,520 for this is how you can re focus your brain, because we do get 1395 01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:39,920 in this place as humans, like when we're struggling with and maybe we're struggling 1396 01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:43,039 with a particular sin or whatever, right, and when we're in the moment 1397 01:42:43,079 --> 01:42:45,680 of temptation, it feels overwhelming and it feels like you can't think about anything 1398 01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:50,800 else sometimes. But if you can just flee that temptation, if you can 1399 01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:54,479 just get a something else in your mind, if you can fill it with 1400 01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:57,199 scripture, if you can fill it with worship, if you can write, 1401 01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:01,439 you can restructure your brains so that you can cast down imaginations, you can, 1402 01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:04,880 you know, and take captive every thought and make it obedient to Christ. 1403 01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:09,039 I wish they would have had some of that in there in that conversation, 1404 01:43:09,159 --> 01:43:11,000 Like, like, I enjoyed the conversation. It was funny, but 1405 01:43:11,039 --> 01:43:14,680 I was like, this is such a good opportunity that's been passed over to 1406 01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:16,920 have some of that kind of conversation. And if it's the shortest one, 1407 01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:23,159 Caffy. It was the shortest one, so I don't know, and I 1408 01:43:23,159 --> 01:43:27,079 wrote down come on with in my notes. It was like because I was 1409 01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:30,039 waiting for more, Yeah, yeah, you're right, Yeah, that is 1410 01:43:30,079 --> 01:43:35,159 a very very good point that I hadn't considered. Overall, the theme was 1411 01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:41,800 about trust basically, and and sacrifice and stuff, but trust is when they 1412 01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:45,720 kept popping up over and over and over and that, yeah, that that 1413 01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:49,039 definitely would have applied here too. And actually, speaking of trust, it 1414 01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:53,239 is it was around this point, you know, we have another scene with 1415 01:43:53,319 --> 01:43:56,640 doctor Rusk, and even at this point in my initial reaction, I had 1416 01:43:56,920 --> 01:44:00,319 written this down, I don't trust this guy, like I we. I 1417 01:44:00,359 --> 01:44:03,399 hadn't really had any reason not to it at this point. But it's like 1418 01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:05,960 he just turns up in Odyssey all of a sudden, when all this stuff 1419 01:44:06,079 --> 01:44:09,880 happens there, you know, there's there's got to be something going on. 1420 01:44:10,319 --> 01:44:15,920 And then of course we have the whole thing with Jason and just being absolutely 1421 01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:20,359 totally willing to sacrifice himself and and it made me think of Ted Decker's Circle 1422 01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:25,760 series because we have a similar kind of thing happened with the main character in 1423 01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:30,159 those books. And it was like oh that It immediately brought that to mind 1424 01:44:30,199 --> 01:44:34,920 for me. But I liked that Jason was so doctor Rusk is proposing this 1425 01:44:35,239 --> 01:44:40,960 alternative where it's still in your brain, but we can like send other we 1426 01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:44,000 can neutralize. I can't remember exactly what a suggestion was, but and and 1427 01:44:44,079 --> 01:44:47,279 we you know, short circuiting and listened to it. Yeah, we know 1428 01:44:47,359 --> 01:44:50,479 that he's just trying to keep it in the brain because they're still trying to 1429 01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:56,239 access information. But the other characters like Connie and Jillian and Wit are all 1430 01:44:56,279 --> 01:44:59,199 like, yeah, I mean like, let's go with that because this surgery 1431 01:44:59,279 --> 01:45:01,119 is really dangerous. And Jason's like, no, I want this out of 1432 01:45:01,159 --> 01:45:05,039 my brain. I want it completely removed. And that felt like I'm getting 1433 01:45:05,039 --> 01:45:09,399 all like maybe I'm getting over spiritual over here. I'm always looking for youth 1434 01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:14,159 the lessons. But I just I thought that was another good analogy that that 1435 01:45:14,279 --> 01:45:16,359 feels like something the devil tries to offer us, like you don't have to 1436 01:45:16,359 --> 01:45:20,039 remove this from your life, from your brain, from your heart. You 1437 01:45:20,159 --> 01:45:23,800 just have to short circuit it, you know, but you can still keep 1438 01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,560 it in there. But there's an ulterior motive there, right, and we 1439 01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:29,479 have to be willing to like, Nope, I want it completely out. 1440 01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:31,840 I want to even if it kills me. It's more important that this is 1441 01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:38,279 completely out of my life than for the risk that this surgery involves. And 1442 01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:42,640 I like that Jason took that firm stand. Yeah. Yeah, And I 1443 01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:45,359 was like, surely they're not going to let Jason die, right, But 1444 01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:50,199 on the other hand, I thought it would make a really really interesting storyline 1445 01:45:50,239 --> 01:45:57,079 if they had, or at least let him be severely disabled or something happened 1446 01:45:57,079 --> 01:46:01,439 because of this. I mean that I could have seen so many different storylines 1447 01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:04,840 and lessons that they could have brought out because of that, you know. 1448 01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:09,520 Yeah, I mean, I'm not sad or mad that they didn't go that 1449 01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:13,560 direction, but I definitely could see the potential in doing that, right. 1450 01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:16,920 Yeah, I didn't expect them to either, but I'm with you on like 1451 01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:21,119 the power of that. They could have made him as did he as Jillian, 1452 01:46:21,239 --> 01:46:25,840 Like, that's what could have been the result of I'm just kidding, 1453 01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:31,279 but we had that scene with them all praying that. That's one of my 1454 01:46:31,319 --> 01:46:35,359 favorites too. Oh so good. That was really good. That almost made 1455 01:46:35,399 --> 01:46:40,680 up for my disappointment about the conversation in the car. You know, and 1456 01:46:41,399 --> 01:46:45,239 again this theme of trust. They've been talking all along about trusting each other. 1457 01:46:45,319 --> 01:46:48,880 How can we trust your character and all this stuff? But then Gillian 1458 01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:53,880 kind of turns it in her prayer. She says, God, we trust 1459 01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:58,640 you, we know that this is you have control here. Yeah. Yeah, 1460 01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:02,319 And I thought that was an interesting way to look at the other facet 1461 01:47:02,399 --> 01:47:05,960 of trust. It's not always just about can we trust each other, but 1462 01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:12,399 knowing that we also always can trust God, you know, yeah, the 1463 01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:15,800 most important aspect of trust. So then we have, you know, the 1464 01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:21,640 bomb scare and everything, and Wit calls WIT's end and he says, Renee, 1465 01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:25,439 I need you to get all the kids out of here, or get 1466 01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:28,680 all the kids out of the shop or whatever. So is this the first 1467 01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:33,000 mention of Renee in a mainstream album. It is not, because there was 1468 01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:39,920 one episode where I can't remember who it was, if it was Eugene or 1469 01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:42,960 somebody, but they were they were. It was like they were listing a 1470 01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:45,840 bunch of names and they mentioned Renee. It's just like a like in a 1471 01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:50,199 list of other names. Okay, I couldn't remember. Obviously, she's been 1472 01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:56,079 in the club since season three, and she actually appears in a mainstream album 1473 01:47:56,159 --> 01:47:59,800 for the first time in the next one, Buckle Up. But I could 1474 01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:01,159 not remember if this was the first time she was mentioned, So okay, 1475 01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:04,359 yeah, I remember them mentioning her one other time, or like she walks 1476 01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:08,399 by the window and they're waiting for somebody and and like, no, that's 1477 01:48:08,399 --> 01:48:12,479 Renee Carter or something like that. Something like that happens. Okay, but 1478 01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:15,800 I did like that they mentioned her. Yeah, yeah, that was cool. 1479 01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:19,000 And I think I've said this before. I think she should have been 1480 01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:23,239 in the mainstream albums from the beginning. I think it was kind of a 1481 01:48:23,239 --> 01:48:26,359 weird decision for them to have an employee of Wits End that was a club 1482 01:48:26,399 --> 01:48:30,640 exclusive. She's an interesting character. She's done some questionable things in the past, 1483 01:48:30,680 --> 01:48:35,680 and I've not always agreed with her thought processes, but overall, I 1484 01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:41,640 think she's an interesting character, and I think somebody so pivotal to Wits End 1485 01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:45,439 and Odyssey and wit wits Life should have been part of the mainstream albums. 1486 01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:48,920 But anyway, that's a that's a neither here nor there kind of thing. 1487 01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:55,520 But so um. The other other thing that I wanted to mention was at 1488 01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:59,279 the end of this episode. That's when I had. I was starting to 1489 01:48:59,319 --> 01:49:03,359 see all the stuff that had been leading up to Jillian and all those job 1490 01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:09,279 interviews that she'd had in that past episode and all this stuff, Like, 1491 01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:13,640 so Kathy had to have been planning this out for a while. The only 1492 01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:15,720 thing that I thought was a little bit of a stretch was that she would 1493 01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:20,680 have swiped that hospital access card back then, Like, Okay, it makes 1494 01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:25,479 sense that she did that, but at the time, why would she have 1495 01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:30,199 ever thought that she would have needed an employee access card to the hospital. 1496 01:49:30,439 --> 01:49:35,199 I guess, knowing her mission like being there in Odyssey because of Jason, 1497 01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:40,279 there could have been a thought of at some point, Jason might be in 1498 01:49:40,279 --> 01:49:44,239 the hospital and I might need something. But that one just seemed like a 1499 01:49:44,239 --> 01:49:48,000 little bit of a stretch. Obviously, casing out different locations and having interviews 1500 01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:51,119 at different places, Okay, that one was a little bit more believable, 1501 01:49:51,159 --> 01:49:55,239 but swiping the card that that would have felt a little bit more of a 1502 01:49:55,279 --> 01:50:00,000 stretch to me. I was a little convenient, Yeah, but I'm okay 1503 01:50:00,039 --> 01:50:05,000 with it because they had to get to the basement. Yeah, And I 1504 01:50:05,439 --> 01:50:09,560 just had a note here. I really noticed the music and this one, 1505 01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:13,279 the fast pace of music and how much it was setting the mood and like 1506 01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:17,560 I thought the music it stood out for me in this episode for some reason. 1507 01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:23,319 Yes, yeah, it's definitely building because as things get more tense. 1508 01:50:24,159 --> 01:50:27,319 Yeah, you know the music does as well. Right, good stuff. 1509 01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:31,159 And another thing, because they were recording these during like when there was COVID 1510 01:50:31,199 --> 01:50:38,720 restrictions still January these, Yeah, and apparently a lot of the actors were 1511 01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:42,199 they had to do him these out of order and so the mix, the 1512 01:50:42,279 --> 01:50:45,439 mix scene was really good. I wanted to congratulate Luke and Zach on that 1513 01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:47,720 because you know, you can't even tell that they were recorded out of order 1514 01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:51,880 or anything, but um. And then also I guess Andre Stoika was in 1515 01:50:53,039 --> 01:50:57,239 his home studio when these were being recorded, and but he had great energy 1516 01:50:57,399 --> 01:51:00,840 through these whole all these episodes. And there was one line in particular where 1517 01:51:01,199 --> 01:51:05,840 Connie went and Jillian they're all in that basement where the bomb's at and wits 1518 01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:09,760 telling Connie to go upstairs, and she's resisting a little bit, and then 1519 01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:13,399 he like roars at her, yeah, get upstairs in a vacuum the hospital. 1520 01:51:13,399 --> 01:51:16,720 I was like WHOA, but I was. I was impressed with that 1521 01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:23,239 delivery, Like Andre roared, Yeah, we don't hear that kind of tone 1522 01:51:23,279 --> 01:51:28,119 from that much anymore. Right, and then right after that, that's when 1523 01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:33,159 she runs into Sky and uh and the doctor and you know, stay away 1524 01:51:33,199 --> 01:51:36,319 from him, she said, or stay away from her doctor. You know, 1525 01:51:36,399 --> 01:51:40,279 she's she's bad or whatever whatever it is she says. And then then 1526 01:51:40,319 --> 01:51:43,920 she says to Sky, just go and stop being evil for a while. 1527 01:51:46,079 --> 01:51:53,640 Classic Connie line. I loved it. So you mentioned Baron this uh nsa 1528 01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:57,880 guy earlier, thinking that that might have been Grayson. But what it was 1529 01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:00,439 interesting to me, and I had a note that Grayson's voice got much deeper. 1530 01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:04,640 I wrote that down. Well, see, maybe it wasn't him. 1531 01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:09,079 I don't know. I think I mentioned this also in my initial reaction too. 1532 01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:14,319 He sounded a lot like Charles Robinson to me, the voice of Nagel 1533 01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:19,039 in Someone to Watch Over Me, especially in the over the phone part when 1534 01:52:19,079 --> 01:52:23,560 he was in person there at the hospital. It was a little bit less 1535 01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:29,159 so, but OK, just the quality of his voice sounded very much like 1536 01:52:29,239 --> 01:52:32,840 I know it's not but he sounded similar to him to me. Yeah, 1537 01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:38,119 I didn't pick up on that. Well, I had heard I thought that 1538 01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:44,359 that Grayson was the orderly in this in the hospital, so Grayson played everybody 1539 01:52:44,359 --> 01:52:47,520 that we don't know. I think he played doctor Rusk. I'm just kidding, 1540 01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:51,960 you know what. I was gonna mention this, But doctor Rusks and 1541 01:52:53,239 --> 01:52:57,600 also doctor Trask, which those names sound very similar, but they both sounded 1542 01:52:57,640 --> 01:53:00,600 like Andre to me. Really. I know that doctor Trask was a different 1543 01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:03,600 actor, and I'm sure doctor Rusko was too, but there's something about their 1544 01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:08,600 vocal quality that sounded really similar to me. Yeah, I could see that. 1545 01:53:08,640 --> 01:53:12,439 I guess. I was wondering where doctor Rusk was from. What was 1546 01:53:12,479 --> 01:53:15,680 supposed to be from? Like what is he had like a vaguely like British 1547 01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:19,800 accent, I guess, but I wasn't sure what that was supposed to be 1548 01:53:20,279 --> 01:53:24,279 exactly. Yeah, I wasn't sure too. Maybe it was supposed to be 1549 01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:29,119 ambiguous because he's like a, you know, a globe trotter kind of guy, 1550 01:53:29,199 --> 01:53:32,239 and he's maybe travels a lot, you know, who knows. Yeah. 1551 01:53:32,279 --> 01:53:36,720 I thought it was interesting again that we have this theme of sacrifice because 1552 01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:41,840 we have doctor Graham, Connie, Jillian Witt, all of them, and 1553 01:53:42,039 --> 01:53:47,239 doctor Calhoun. They're not willing to leave until every main characters, yeah, 1554 01:53:47,279 --> 01:53:50,399 are willing to leave, and I do feel for a Detective poll House, 1555 01:53:50,439 --> 01:53:54,880 but it's so funny. I love him trying to get everybody out and he's 1556 01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:57,760 like, usually when there's a bomb scare, people want to get out, 1557 01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:00,600 right. Yeah. For I was trying to do his job and he has 1558 01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:03,920 a hard time of it, and they're like, wait, you're out now 1559 01:54:04,039 --> 01:54:11,039 right, goodbye, Detective. Yeah, I'm going to clear out the people 1560 01:54:11,079 --> 01:54:15,079 who actually value their lives. He says, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1561 01:54:15,119 --> 01:54:18,560 I loved all the scenes with Detective Fullhouse trying to get people out. Those 1562 01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:21,760 were so great. You know what I missed? Sound design wise though? 1563 01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:26,239 Did you notice there were no wheelchairs? I was really missing the wheelchairs. 1564 01:54:26,359 --> 01:54:30,000 I'm just kidding. I'm just joking because in the in one of the podcasts, 1565 01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:32,560 like Kathy said she had written down a bunch of stuff about people in 1566 01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:36,439 wheelchairs, like in the notes and the and Zach said something like, well 1567 01:54:36,479 --> 01:54:41,239 we had gurneys, but we didn't have wheelchairs or yeah, something like that. 1568 01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:45,560 Those all those, all these scenes were like so well done, very 1569 01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:50,279 intense. Yeah. And Phil Morris says doctor Calhoun, he's great too. 1570 01:54:50,479 --> 01:54:57,000 Unfortunately we don't know who voiced doctor rusk Um, but it was Grayson. 1571 01:55:00,199 --> 01:55:02,600 That's that's the story we're sticking with. I guess, yeah, yeah. 1572 01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:06,319 If I don't know, I'm going to just assume. Another question I had 1573 01:55:06,439 --> 01:55:10,920 was, so rusk says that he was the one who implanted the device, 1574 01:55:11,439 --> 01:55:14,840 but I thought he was taken to the hospital after Witch found him in the 1575 01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:17,960 alley because he had supposedly been hit over the head or whatever. Of course 1576 01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,520 he was faking that whole thing, but I thought that Witch said that he 1577 01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:25,079 did take him to the hospital. So how did he get out of town 1578 01:55:25,159 --> 01:55:30,079 and to that ambulance to go an ambulance? That's how he got the ambulance. 1579 01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:32,640 I'm just kidding. Yeah, I don't know. I thought that too, 1580 01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:36,199 but I mean that it makes sense that's why they had him there in 1581 01:55:36,199 --> 01:55:39,319 the first place, Like that's why they had the brains. I don't know 1582 01:55:39,319 --> 01:55:43,680 why they had the brain surgeon breaking into the antique shop to get the fingerprints 1583 01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:45,159 like that. That does seem more of a mo job, like yeah, 1584 01:55:45,199 --> 01:55:49,760 one chairman, but or an eddie job even Yeah, So I don't know 1585 01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:53,960 why they had him doing that, but it makes sense that that, like 1586 01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:57,079 that would be why they would want him there. You know, to plant 1587 01:55:57,119 --> 01:56:01,159 that device. When Jason flatline, I did get a little nervous. I 1588 01:56:01,199 --> 01:56:06,840 thought maybe maybe they are gonna go there because the score speaking of John Campbell 1589 01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:11,840 again, the score under that moment it was so good and it's like, 1590 01:56:12,159 --> 01:56:15,119 oh man, I could feel the tension. Yeah, that was really good. 1591 01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:20,840 And then doctor Graham saves the day, comes through there with a syringe. 1592 01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:24,800 I love that moment. It was so great. Oh me too. 1593 01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:27,600 Yeah, doctor Graham was redeemed in my mind, you know all that, 1594 01:56:27,720 --> 01:56:30,840 all the stuff I said about her from the last phone call, Like, 1595 01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:35,000 I was like, ah, she's great. Yea. So one of the 1596 01:56:35,439 --> 01:56:40,600 first things that popped into my mind was that scene of doctor Blackhard and the 1597 01:56:41,199 --> 01:56:46,159 Rukou virus syringe thing. You remember that when Yeah, first time doctor Graham's 1598 01:56:46,159 --> 01:56:53,560 been compared to doctor black excellent. I didn't think of that, but you're 1599 01:56:53,640 --> 01:56:57,760 right like there that that is a great parallel. You know. I don't 1600 01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:00,359 know if that was intentional or not, but of course we know it was. 1601 01:57:00,479 --> 01:57:08,000 Mustafa. You also stabbed me with a syringe, so he was about 1602 01:57:08,039 --> 01:57:11,439 to stab Jason, and then doctor Blackhart started fighting with him. He's like, 1603 01:57:11,439 --> 01:57:14,920 what are you doing? And then European security burst in and then Mustafa 1604 01:57:15,039 --> 01:57:16,960 broke away from them and he's like, dirry, traitor die, and then 1605 01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:20,720 he stabs him with the syringe, right, he stabs stabs blackerd right, 1606 01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:23,880 yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I was saying, 1607 01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:26,399 That's what I was thinking of. And it turned out to be just 1608 01:57:26,439 --> 01:57:30,279 a vitamin thing. But we thought it was the virus, but um, 1609 01:57:30,399 --> 01:57:40,039 yeah, or was it because he was exposed to rupu? Yeah yeah, 1610 01:57:40,079 --> 01:57:43,920 but of course in this case, you know, she she stabs him with 1611 01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:47,680 a you know, a sedative. But um, so it's it's very loose 1612 01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:51,199 parallel, but it just kind of popped into my head. No, that's 1613 01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:55,680 a really good parallel. You should probably take out my replay of that earlier 1614 01:57:55,720 --> 01:58:01,119 scene, but I really like that parallel actually, And so we talked about 1615 01:58:01,119 --> 01:58:06,199 how kind of the action started picking up in the last couple episodes and this 1616 01:58:06,239 --> 01:58:11,199 one. There's some very very short quick scenes just like some of them are 1617 01:58:11,239 --> 01:58:15,720 only like thirty seconds. It's just bouncing from perspective to perspective. And I 1618 01:58:15,119 --> 01:58:19,079 thought it was really well paced even though we were getting this short. It's 1619 01:58:19,079 --> 01:58:23,680 because everything is starting to come to a head, all these different plot lines, 1620 01:58:24,159 --> 01:58:27,800 you know, Jason and then the bomb and then Pullhouse trying to track 1621 01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:31,279 down Sky and all the stuff is so we're bouncing around from different perspectives, 1622 01:58:31,319 --> 01:58:36,000 but I thought it was just done so well. Yes, yes, absolutely, 1623 01:58:36,199 --> 01:58:42,039 And then we have Pullhouses crack about Sky being able to get a senior 1624 01:58:42,039 --> 01:58:47,439 discount when she gets out of prison. And I also like when Connie said 1625 01:58:47,479 --> 01:58:50,439 that Jillian and Witt were down with the bomb and she, you know, 1626 01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:55,119 she forgets that Pullhouse doesn't know she's a secret agent and he's like, Jillian, 1627 01:58:55,560 --> 01:59:00,920 what's she done now or when did she mess up? From Fallhouses the 1628 01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:06,239 personative hearing that Jillian's down there with the bomb, like that's fantas Yeah, 1629 01:59:06,319 --> 01:59:11,840 so it's at this point, you know that we hear that the Chairman, 1630 01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:16,079 or at least we think the Chairman is in the Pentagon. And I don't 1631 01:59:16,159 --> 01:59:21,600 usually listen to other people's reviews before I record a review, just because I 1632 01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:25,920 don't want anything to color my opinions. I want to make sure that i'm 1633 01:59:25,960 --> 01:59:29,439 you know, But in this case, I actually did listen to a new 1634 01:59:29,479 --> 01:59:33,680 podcast that I talked about on the show last episode, Clint Brahm's new podcast 1635 01:59:33,880 --> 01:59:39,840 about Odyssey, and when he was reviewing these episodes, he mentioned something about, 1636 01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:44,560 so if the Chairman is at it's the Pentagon, we don't know exactly 1637 01:59:44,680 --> 01:59:48,520 what he is the Chairman of He's just like it's like his villain name, 1638 01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:54,239 he's the Chairman. But he made the point of have you ever heard of 1639 01:59:54,359 --> 01:59:58,920 this position called the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff? If he's at 1640 01:59:58,920 --> 02:00:02,199 the Pentagon? And I thought that was a really interesting point. It might 1641 02:00:02,239 --> 02:00:06,439 be a little too on the nose, but who knows, maybe maybe that 1642 02:00:06,600 --> 02:00:10,800 is where things are headed. But I thought that was a pretty interesting idea. 1643 02:00:11,159 --> 02:00:16,159 Yeah, hey, I believe it. I believe he's there in real 1644 02:00:16,239 --> 02:00:24,920 life. And then we have the bad guys, you know, proofing once 1645 02:00:24,920 --> 02:00:29,840 again that there is no honor among thieves, right the Chairman that line at 1646 02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:31,840 the end when he's like I'll tell them everything I know and he's like, 1647 02:00:31,880 --> 02:00:38,159 you know nothing. Yeah. Oh, one more thing about that last conversation 1648 02:00:38,199 --> 02:00:41,680 with the Chairman. Of course, there was that call back to his scene 1649 02:00:41,680 --> 02:00:45,000 in the end of the Novacom saga, and he even had the same delivery 1650 02:00:45,359 --> 02:00:47,520 when he's like I can't remember what he says. He's like, they've won 1651 02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:53,479 for now he said it the exact same way he said it before. That 1652 02:00:53,560 --> 02:00:58,079 was fun. And then everything just comes full circle back to where we begin 1653 02:00:58,319 --> 02:01:03,159 with Connie pushing Jay Aason to go after Jillian. Now, yeah, and 1654 02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:10,119 another dead car battery. She needs a new battery, Like this is ridiculous. 1655 02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:15,319 I don't know why Jason hasn't changed out the battery. And I did 1656 02:01:15,439 --> 02:01:18,359 think that was interesting using those conversations as a framing device for the whole thing. 1657 02:01:19,079 --> 02:01:23,079 I don't know what they're planning to do with the characters, but it 1658 02:01:23,159 --> 02:01:27,399 is it's interesting that that was the framing device, you know. Yeah, 1659 02:01:27,479 --> 02:01:31,000 yeah, I mean, now that I know that she's not a complete dits, 1660 02:01:31,279 --> 02:01:34,720 I think I would be okay. I mean, because people have been 1661 02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:40,159 talking about Jason Gillian for a long time since she was first you know, 1662 02:01:40,399 --> 02:01:43,920 introduced, and I'm like, no, she's she's an idiot. Why would 1663 02:01:43,960 --> 02:01:45,720 he want to go with her? Well, now that we know that's not 1664 02:01:45,800 --> 02:01:49,840 really the case, then I'm not quite as opposed to the idea. But 1665 02:01:50,239 --> 02:01:55,039 yeah, and I yeah, who else could Jason b with except for a 1666 02:01:55,079 --> 02:01:58,760 secret agent? You know, like that's it does feel like that's why your 1667 02:01:58,920 --> 02:02:03,279 character is intributed but yeah, yeah, like I said, Allison is she's 1668 02:02:03,319 --> 02:02:10,520 she's opposed. I'm I'm plus minus. I do wish that they would get 1669 02:02:10,520 --> 02:02:15,960 Connie with somebody. And I know that Phil Lawler has very strong opinions. 1670 02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:18,560 I just um, I'm with Andrew, and I don't really understand the reasons. 1671 02:02:20,680 --> 02:02:24,199 Yeah, Like I've heard him talk about it, but I don't really 1672 02:02:24,199 --> 02:02:27,800 get it. It seems like that her character should progress in that way, 1673 02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:30,600 that her character should change a little bit in that way. Yeah, I 1674 02:02:30,600 --> 02:02:33,800 think it's about time. It's been long enough. Yeah, And it's just 1675 02:02:33,920 --> 02:02:38,279 and I you know, just like you know, before I got married and 1676 02:02:38,359 --> 02:02:41,520 like growing up, I was like, you know, I had already graduated 1677 02:02:41,640 --> 02:02:44,439 college and everything, and I'm like, man, I'm gonna be like Connie, 1678 02:02:44,479 --> 02:02:46,479 I'm just gonna be working at wits end single for the rest of my 1679 02:02:46,520 --> 02:02:50,840 life, you know, like give some hope to the single people who grew 1680 02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:57,079 up. Wasn't an honestly fun Yeah, yeah, you can strike you can 1681 02:02:57,119 --> 02:03:00,760 strike that from the record, JD. I don't know that got off in 1682 02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:03,159 the weeds. On another note, what does it mean that Officer Burke has 1683 02:03:03,199 --> 02:03:08,159 George Washington style hair? Oh my goodness, that was my last note too, 1684 02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:13,880 No, it was that is crazy, That is hilarious, and that's 1685 02:03:13,880 --> 02:03:16,479 happened so many times today. Yeah, we have very similar notes here. 1686 02:03:17,119 --> 02:03:20,800 Yeah, I'm like, what does that even mean? What does he has 1687 02:03:21,840 --> 02:03:26,680 a white ponytail going down in the back of his I'm like, what, 1688 02:03:26,920 --> 02:03:31,079 he's wearing a wig? Yeah? Yeah, that completely changed the way I 1689 02:03:31,159 --> 02:03:35,399 picture Officer Burke. I don't even know how to That is not how I 1690 02:03:35,439 --> 02:03:40,039 pictured him. I don't know how I pictured his hair cut. But look 1691 02:03:40,119 --> 02:03:43,800 here it is jad I have a dollar I'm showing you. Oh yeah, 1692 02:03:44,039 --> 02:03:49,560 Officer Burke put officers a Burke face on. Why is the police station allowing 1693 02:03:49,600 --> 02:03:58,439 this? And don't most cops wear a hat of some kind anyway? So 1694 02:03:58,600 --> 02:04:01,640 yeah, yeah, that's got to look like a clown wig sticking out from 1695 02:04:01,680 --> 02:04:05,720 under his police head, like a wooden kind of look with all the curls 1696 02:04:05,720 --> 02:04:12,960 sticking out of the side of his mailman cap. Yeah, George Washington hair 1697 02:04:13,159 --> 02:04:17,439 as long as he doesn't have George Washington teeth, I guess. Oh my 1698 02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:21,279 goodness, but yeah, what a what a great album. Like I remember 1699 02:04:23,199 --> 02:04:28,119 listening to the episodes as they were dropping and getting that same kind of feeling 1700 02:04:28,199 --> 02:04:30,800 from back in the day when you had to wait for the next episode to 1701 02:04:30,840 --> 02:04:35,479 air on the radio and you're just like wanting to know what happens next. 1702 02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:40,560 And again with the way that she had written the script, with those great 1703 02:04:41,319 --> 02:04:45,520 cliffhangers at the end of every episode, it was just it was just a 1704 02:04:45,560 --> 02:04:49,920 fun ride. Yeah, yeah, I haven't had that feeling of that anticipation, 1705 02:04:50,239 --> 02:04:54,920 you know, for wanting to know what happens next for a while, 1706 02:04:55,199 --> 02:05:00,960 and this definitely scratched that itch. Yeah. And final note is the whole 1707 02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:05,399 thing is interesting, Like the timing of this. You alluded to this earlier, 1708 02:05:05,439 --> 02:05:12,319 but we have this very serious, deep arc with Olivia and some just 1709 02:05:13,239 --> 02:05:18,039 amazing episodes there, and then we have the whole thing with the Eugene and 1710 02:05:18,039 --> 02:05:23,640 and Buck and all that, so some heavier, more serious stuff. There 1711 02:05:23,680 --> 02:05:27,600 are moments of humor throughout all of that stuff too, But and then we 1712 02:05:27,680 --> 02:05:33,000 go into this like breakneck speed kind of adventure for six episodes straight, and 1713 02:05:33,039 --> 02:05:36,840 so it was just like a total change of pace from what we've had. 1714 02:05:38,479 --> 02:05:45,000 And then it's going into this next era of the show where we're dealing with 1715 02:05:45,680 --> 02:05:50,079 the Meltzner question, you know, and so it's just an interesting kind of 1716 02:05:51,159 --> 02:05:56,880 I don't know, just a change of pace and is it like designating a 1717 02:05:57,239 --> 02:06:00,840 new new era of the show or Yeah, it's just it's just interesting. 1718 02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:05,159 M Yeah. I like it. These last the last couple of albums like 1719 02:06:05,239 --> 02:06:10,319 surrounding this event, like this one and then the one that came before this 1720 02:06:10,359 --> 02:06:15,600 with Olivy. I've just really enjoyed both of those. Yeah, storylines and 1721 02:06:15,079 --> 02:06:20,319 kind of a little teaser for the next one. I also quite enjoyed Buckle 1722 02:06:20,439 --> 02:06:24,960 Up. There were a few things that I wasn't super crazy about, but 1723 02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:28,920 overall I thought it was a pretty decent album. Yeah, I agree. 1724 02:06:29,319 --> 02:06:31,319 Yeah, not quite at the level of the last two, which you know, 1725 02:06:31,359 --> 02:06:35,319 we're intense obviously, and so maybe you know, they needed some more 1726 02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:40,520 Slice of Life one, but there were some really great episodes. So yeah, 1727 02:06:40,920 --> 02:06:45,600 I'm enjoying this era of Odyssey. Yeah, you know, the over 1728 02:06:45,640 --> 02:06:50,199 the last eighteen months or so, there's just been some really, really solid 1729 02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:57,239 episodes and I'm enjoying it. Yes, definitely. Yeah, good job Odyssey 1730 02:06:57,239 --> 02:07:00,399 team. Well that's that's perfect. I think that's the place to end it. 1731 02:07:00,479 --> 02:07:03,079 Michael, Thank you so much for joining me. This has been a 1732 02:07:03,199 --> 02:07:10,039 long discussion, but I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Yeah, I mean, get 1733 02:07:10,119 --> 02:07:13,720 us talking about Odyssey. I guess that's the results that it's going to be 1734 02:07:13,720 --> 02:07:16,119 a long discussion. Thank you for inviting me on. I've I have thoroughly 1735 02:07:16,199 --> 02:07:19,880 enjoyed it, and it was fun talking with you about it since we were 1736 02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:24,279 talking about them these episodes as they were coming out, so that felt like 1737 02:07:24,279 --> 02:07:29,279 a fun full circle thing. And yeah, I'm excited about what's coming next. 1738 02:07:30,840 --> 02:07:36,560 The sixth annual Audio Theater Central Seneca Awards broadcast is coming soon. The 1739 02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:42,640 Seneca Awards recognize excellence in the world of family friendly audio drama, and we're 1740 02:07:42,640 --> 02:07:45,520 inviting you to tune into the show. Join us on Friday, August twenty 1741 02:07:45,560 --> 02:07:49,920 five, twenty twenty three, at seven pm Pacific ten pm Eastern as we 1742 02:07:49,960 --> 02:07:55,760 announced the winners in twelve different categories from productions released in the year of twenty 1743 02:07:55,800 --> 02:07:59,760 twenty two. In addition to announcing the winners, we'll hear presentations from right 1744 02:07:59,800 --> 02:08:03,840 Now host of Adventures in Odyssey, Chris Anthony Lansdowne, and actor and writer 1745 02:08:05,079 --> 02:08:09,920 Nato Jacobson. There will also be short audio drama features and more. The 1746 02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:13,520 broadcast will be streamed at the Senecas dot org, where you'll be able to 1747 02:08:13,600 --> 02:08:16,800 chat live with other listeners. We'll see you on Friday August twenty fifth, 1748 02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:22,640 twenty twenty three, at seven pm Pacific ten pm Eastern. For more information, 1749 02:08:22,760 --> 02:08:26,199 head over to the senecas dot org. That's the Senecas dot Org. 1750 02:08:28,640 --> 02:08:33,199 Well, thank you once again to Michael Schrader for joining me to talk about 1751 02:08:33,239 --> 02:08:35,840 Adventures in Odyssey. It is always so much fun to talk about AIO, 1752 02:08:37,479 --> 02:08:41,399 and especially to talk about it with someone who is a huge fan as well, 1753 02:08:41,560 --> 02:08:46,079 so thank you, Michael. Also want to mention that the song at 1754 02:08:46,079 --> 02:08:48,600 the top of the review segment is called One Day at a Time by Dan 1755 02:08:48,680 --> 02:08:56,000 Bremnis and it's from his two twenty two album called Into the Wild link in 1756 02:08:56,039 --> 02:08:58,119 the show notes. If you want to check out that song, be sure 1757 02:08:58,119 --> 02:09:03,159 to join the ATC Insiders, which is our mailing list, and we'll email 1758 02:09:03,199 --> 02:09:07,399 you about the cool stuff that we're up to very occasionally. We are not 1759 02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:11,960 going to fill up your email inbox, but it is just a good way 1760 02:09:11,000 --> 02:09:15,760 to stay in touch with us. 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