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Welcome to this edition of The High
Strangeness Factor, copyrighted on the Paranormal UK

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Radio Network. I'm your host,
Steve Ward, along with Andy Mercer.

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Andy Mercer and I have covered all
aspects of the paranormal with an emphasis on

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the patterns and connections that bind different
elements of the unexplained. Together, we

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have a backed library of shows that
go back three to four years with interesting

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people, researchers, investigators and authors
in the entire realm of the paranormal.

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Andy Mercer can't be with us tonight, but let me introduce our great guest.

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Paul Sinclair is a UK author and
researcher who lives in the seaside town

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of Bridlington on the East Yorkshire coast
of the United Kingdom. He has been

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investigating strange phenomena around the area of
East and North Yorkshire for many years and

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uncovered a deep history of folklore,
strange sightings and mysterious disappearances. Paul would

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describe himself first and foremost as a
multi phenomenal researcher and would never want this

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singular label of UFO researcher or any
other because he believes that everything within the

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subject is linked Paul. Welcome to
the high Strangeness Factor, Steve. Thank

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you. It's an absolute prelusia to
be talking and shartting bits of information with

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you guys today. Yeah, thanks
for great intro as well. Absolutely brilliant.

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And yeah, the multi phenomena research. I'm not sure that everybody subscribes

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to it, Steve, but I
think the trend in thinking the last few

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years has moved away from the I'm
a UFO researcher and pigeon everything into that

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hole into that box, and I'm
a cryptid researcher. Therefore, anybody who

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files a cryptid report and it has
a bit of light form phenomena associated with

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it, I'm gonna omit that because
it doesn't fit into the criteria of what

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I believe a cryptid researcher should be. I think we've just got to throw

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the net wide and explore all avenues. I think you're right. I think

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it's it's perfectly all right to specialize
in certain areas, but sometimes people will

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ignore somebody, shall we say,
high strangest aspects or things that just don't

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quite fit into their preconceived ideas.
And I think the one of the pioneers.

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Was was John Keel. You know, he's a little bit like you.

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He did not like to He did
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He wanted to be called a Fortian, you know. Ailing back to

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Charles Fort, because I think you
and I and John Keel all agree with

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Charles Fort when he said you can
begin to measure a circle anywhere. What

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a brilliant analogy. And you absolutely
agree with that, you know, and

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I'm not breaking new ground here,
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alluded to Keel, fought Jacques Valet. These people were thinking way out of

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the box and way ahead of the
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certain factions of the subject of the
unexplained sort of catching on to this.

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Now. You know, the truth
Proof books that I've written, there's

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there's four books, and then there's
the one about my personal experiences. They

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all cover the full spectrum of the
unexplained. And you know, we'll be

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honest and say that when I first
started looking into this, I will probably

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bias duty experience the experiences that had
happened to myself during childhood, and it

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had put me on the path of
UFO stroke abduction type research and writing the

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first book, Steve you Know,
Truth Proof one, I contacted a few

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newspapers local to my area and asked
them if they'd kindly put a little article

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in for me, saying that I'm
looking for stories of the strange and unusual.

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And I got a few from an
area called Flixton in North Yorkshire.

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And I realized, some of your
listeners who aren't familiar with the UK or

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this part of the UK will probably
have to google these areas. But I'm

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in Bridlington and it's about eleven eleven
miles away from where I am now.

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But these didn't have anything to do
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These had something to do with what
people would term as a werewolf.

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And you know, when I first
got those reports, because I'd never looked

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into anything like this, I kind
of rolled my eyes. I didn't laugh,

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but you know, I'd got people
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everyday, human beings from different walks
of life. I got two reports actually

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writing first book, but these people
didn't know each other from the area of

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Flixton to say that they'd seen this
thing. Another one was to tell me

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that it went back into the annals
of folklore and had I looked into this

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strange bipedal creature that had been reported
over decades and decades. And then the

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more I looked at it, Steve, if you want me to just run

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into this one a little bit,
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that even the place names excuse me, even the place names i'd sort of

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connotations, not necessarily to the were
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you know, and I've touched on
it many times. When the actual village

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of Flixton, it's got a neighboring
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road that runs through is well,
I know it is. I think it's

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the eight ten three nine, and
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It's a tiny village even if you
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very old community that's there, and
it's an old village itself. And back

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in nine thirty seven AD, that's
going back well over a thousand years one

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thousand and eighty six years ago,
the then king Athelston had a refuge built

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at Flixton, which and it was
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which modern man's called stark car I
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but it was. It was after
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it was. I think it's Paolithic. So we're going back eight to eleven

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thousand years. I may have I
might not be under present accurate with that,

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but I'm fairly close to the point. And he had a refuge built

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there on what's called the cars and
nothing to do with motor vehicles. It's

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c ABRs. It signifies reeds,
an elder and wetland. And this refuge

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was built to protect travelers a thousand
and oh gosh, what did I say?

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Eighty six years ago? To protect
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it just added a little bit to
the writing and an infestation of savage beasts

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and that got me thinking, because
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predators in the United Kingdom probably all
over Europe over a thousand years ago,

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but not the bear. So what
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it doesn't say where wolf, but
it's it's a fascinating add online because I

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don't know what else we had in
the United Kingdom that could have been an

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infestation of these savage beasts. And
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land in Flixton shall forever be known
as Wolfland, and hence the title of

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our documentary Wolfland. You know,
that was the starting point for the documentary.

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But then you venture two to three
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another small village on the Wold Steve, and this w O l d s

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the Wolds in kind of Yorkshire dialect, it means the wilds, the wild

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barn lands. And you come to
another village called Hunmanby, and when you

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break it down or when you look
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meaning hound, and it's Hundmanby and
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So we've got another connotation. Historians
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for the paranormal explanation, that it
could be because the king kept his hounds

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there, so it's farmstead of the
houndman. We can't discount that. But

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it's also interesting to note that for
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his hounds in Hunmanby, there's no
historical record to say that that is actually

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true. So I find it fascinating
that I'm looking into these stories of some

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fur covered bipedal creature from an area
called Flixton, And we've got all this

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history surrounding it, with the ancient
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Wolf how and howl Moore and all
these names attached, and then we get

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the stories coming out from residents and
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got a story from a guy who
lived in the village recently passed away,

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but I mean, and he told
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going and doing a bit of research, I was in the church yard of

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Fault and I'll just draw back a
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this man. And he lived near
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I was doing, beautiful summer's day, just having a wonder around my wife

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or with me, And I told
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what I'd been told in the correspondence
that I'd received, And he said he'd

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never heard of it. So that
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oh, fine, that's okay.
And then six months later, I'm

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back in the village, I bump
into him again and yeah, he knew

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what I was looking for. And
I told her, I said, did

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you realize that Wolfland was once called
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and Hunambe farmstead of the hound Man. And he sort of right smile,

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he said, oh, you've got
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well, yeah, And you know, I said, there's more connotations

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and even old homes and farmsteads or
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that were named after such a dark
and sinister things. It's as well,

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I'm going to tell you now,
he said, I've seen it, and

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I couldn't believe what he was telling
me. This old chap and he said

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to me, if you go out
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what's called Staxton Brow and Staxton Brow
people, if you want to google these

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locations, it's very close to raf
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operational Arif base in the world.
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site. It's built or the foundations
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built on the foundations of a Roman
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you see a group of burial mounds. It's a barrow cemetery and it's called

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sharp How and I've found five.
And when I say I've found I'm not

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an archaeologist. People. I can
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Two of them are still very large
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was seven to nine before, you
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to I don't know, slowly whittle
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he said. And we were up
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he said, nineteen forty eight.
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Me and another boy, summer's evening, we're just sort of doing what we

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do. Is no danger of being
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of today, so to been out
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summer's evening, he says, we
were quite safe. And we're walking towards

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the burial mound, which is just
out of the village, and there's a

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tree growing out of the side of
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with its back to a tree,
and he said, it's looking. It

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was looking at something in its hands, and he said hands. And we

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stopped in our tracts and this creature, basically a human figure in the with

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the head of a wolf looked at
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didn't pursue. So that kind of
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not the actions of an apex predator. Not only that I need, I

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will hold my hands up and say
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I'm talking about around Flixton and around
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that have been reported, and I've
got lots and lots of reports steve from

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people totally unconnected to one another,
different backgrounds, different educations, different ages,

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all singing from a similar inm sheet, all saying a similar thing.

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These things are not resident to the
area. They would be carnage. We

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don't have the forests like like they've
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We've just not got that area.
That said with North Yorkshire is a

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big area, and I'll touch on
that shortly. But I believe that they're

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coming from some other sphere of existence. There's something else. These things are

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truly paranormal. They've got all the
attributes of something truly paranormal as well.

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In some instances, I've got reports
of self illuminating eyes glowing red or amber

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eyes, which is not something that
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kingdom. And we know we get
bioluminescence with marine life, but I don't

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think we well, I know we
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and I know we don't get what
people have described, which is seven to

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eight foot tall bipedal, fur covered
creatures. So do I believe that people

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are seeing them? Yeah? I
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No, these things are something else. And do I believe that they're

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traveling around in spheres of light?
No. I have associated the light form

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phenomena with reports of these things because
it's the reports have come in in conjunction

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with the cryptid report. But I
realized not everybody's going to subscribe to this

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way of thinking, and I'm not
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is taking people's reports, people's accounts, and relaying them in the most honest,

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truthful way that I can steve.
It does seem that these things are

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temporarily physical, something temporal that there
was interesting. There was a report in

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one of Linda Godfrey's books. I
think it was monsters among us And I'm

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going to stretch here. I think
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A man's driving at night and he
sees this light going through the woods

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and it's coming down toward the road
and there's a there's a dip, and

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he's thinking this guy is on some
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uh device, and he's afraid the
guy is going to come down the cliff,

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so he slows down and this light
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to his testimony, morse into some
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then takes three three leaps and is
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get that those kind of reports sometimes. But what I was thinking you were

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you were saying, is it true
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werewolf, dog met or whatever are
are seen in conjunction with some of the

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ancient mounds. Yeah, without a
doubt that there's definitely a strong association with

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ancient earthworks and burial mounds. And
you know, you know, during the

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making of Wolf Lands, we we
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of North Yorkshire. And I know
I just said, we don't have the

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vast expanses of land and truly that
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National Park, which encompasses more grazing
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know, the ancient baron moors and
forest and woodland covers about five hundred and

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twenty five square miles. So some
people might say, well, that's enough

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room for something to hide and evade
detection. I still don't think that these

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things are there in the manner that
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a flesh and blood creature that's foraging
some kind of existence, but the actual

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light form phenomena Steve that's associated with
them. In twenty nineteen, myself and

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a guy called Lee Haywood visited the
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which is where a lot of the
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Lee very skeptical, but in a
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questioning everything. I think as researchers
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to look for the answers we've got
to and the plausible answers, and if

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it doesn't lead us down a road
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you know, not everything can be
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Leehyward. He came up to the
Cliff Tops because he's something of an aircraft

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expert, and he believed the orange
spheres of light that I've been documenting for

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decades out at sea and over this
area of land was some kind of misidentified

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aircraft on my part. And we'll
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Stevie. It was November fourteenth,
twenty nineteen, and we drove up what's

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called Cliff Lane to the Cliff Tops, just under a mile long single track

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road, and he's asking me about
the lights and as if to order when

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it said, what do they look
like? An orange sphere of light lit

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up in the sky to the right
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said, like that, I just
looked like tangerines if you can picture the

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tangerine, but with arms length about
the size of a pea. And he

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kind of said, oh right,
oh yeah, yeah. I said,

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well that's what we're looking for.
And this doesn't happen, Steve, all

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the time we can. I'm going
after we've done this interview, I'll be

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up there tonight. There'll be several
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three, four or five times a
week, and we can I can go

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up for a full year and see
nothing. It's you know, when somebody

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could come up the day after and
report something or have a little bit of

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footage of these things. But let
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set cameras up on the cliff tops. I'm talking to Lee, and over

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the course of that night, these
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in twos and threes over the sea, literally just blinking into existence. And

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by the time you fired the camera
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how it appears. It's just like
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illuminating any area around them. So
this is continuing, and I've faced I'm

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looking out to see and I turned
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with us, that is the most
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seen one as big or as dramatic
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and as I'm pulling the camera around
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imploding and it's gone. It blew
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converted. He's not looking for some
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are we going with the cryptids during
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some time afterwards. I found myself
on the cliff top. So I rang

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a farmer friend of mine up because
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asked if I could park on his
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which he agreed, and I took
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me for years, called Bob Brown, and we took a flask and we've

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got warm clothing on. We set
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the cliff tops with a dog towards
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asked us what we were doing.
How we're looking for at the seabirds,

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because there's a wonderful seabird colony there
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watchers. And I said, I
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weren't dark. So when he comes
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realized we weren't looking for the seabirds
and it will relate to Lee Hayward's story

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in a moment. People don't think
I've just left that. So he's talking.

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He said, well, what you're
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well, it not be your thing, but I'm trying to film or

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document these spheres of orange light that
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well, he said, I've lived
in Return, which would be about

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three to four miles down the coast
all my life. I've got windows that

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overlook the sea. I've never seen
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honest? An? You know,
he's talking to us, and just as

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he's about to leave, this guy
and his dog, Bob said, what

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about unusual animals? He said,
what do you mean? Well, what

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we do. We're quite careful not
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I think it's just a little bit
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And I don't blame them. We
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big black cat scene for years around
here. As people know, they're not

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native to the UK, but we
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wasn't lying. He said, have
you ever seen it or heard any reports

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of that? He said no.
He said, I'm going to tell you

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something now. He said, I
have seen something. He said, and

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I haven't even told my wife and
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and he made his dog sit down, and he said, well it

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was in twenty nineteen. He said. I went onto the beach at Reton

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where he lives, which would be, like I've said, three to four

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miles away, he said. And
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there's a full moon. And before
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don't think there's any correlation to the
full moon and silver bullets. That's for

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movies. But it said it was
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this dog's very clever. It was
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It was a pointer, he said. And he stands slightly different if he

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sees a pheasant, too, if
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And I kind of know what is
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I can't work his body language out. It's because he looks puzzled and

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his study's clearly seen something. And
then I'll look onto the cliff halfway up,

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and because these cliffs slowly go from
about forty five degrees to a vertical

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four hundred and twenty foot drop,
and he's not there. He's just under

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forty five degree angle. He said, I can see something. So I

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pull my binoculars out and I'll look
up onto the cliff and I don't know

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if it's a goat or a small
pony, And I think, what's that

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doing on side of the cliff.
It saysn't with that, it's stood up

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on two legs, he said.
I said, I kid you not.

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This thing stood up and we're just
all here as we can't believe what this

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guy's telling us. And he said, although I couldn't see directly looking at

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me, I knew it was looking
down at me and the dog. I

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said, I said, did you
feel frightened? And he said no.

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If I'm being truthful, I'd like
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fits the story mob But he said
no, he said, and it turned

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and went on its way across the
top of the cliffs. Now what makes

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this story interesting? I checked the
full moon in November twenty nineteen, which

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is when he said it was,
And it was the twelfth of November.

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That was two days before myself and
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Is there a link? Well,
obviously, Steve, we can't say

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yes, but it's interesting. Nevertheless, I find it fascinating that such a

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thing could such a correlation in close
proximity by date and by location should crop

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up. I don't know what your
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think that many researchers do find patterns. We do have to be aware of

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that, and sometimes things kind of
fall into place. I wanted to pursue

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that the mound thing a little bit
more now. Of course, Linda Godfrey

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brought the dog man werewolf into consciousness
back in the nineties when she wrote The

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Beast of Bray Road and started investigating
the strange sightings around Elkhorn, and in

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her second book, Hunting the American
Werewolf, she says, by accident,

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she was looking at a book of
effigy mounds in southern Wisconsin, and also

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she had a cluster of dog man
sightings in the same area. She found

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that the dog man encounters and certain
effigy mounds overlapped almost perfectly, and they

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were what they call panther mounds and
water spirit mounds. Now, a panther

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mound is if you imagine a panther
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You got the head, a little
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feet, and then the spirit mound. They seem to be a little bit

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smaller and the same kind of shape, except that their tail is long and

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pointed. So I thought that was
really interesting, and I think it goes

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back to Native American beliefs that the
that these creatures were there to somehow protect

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the mounds. So there's there's there's
no question there's some kind of a link

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between these manifestations and these mounds and
the other. To go to your point

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about these things not being you know, strictly flesh and blood, can you

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imagine there would have to be some
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uh, and in certain numbers in
order to survive over all these years.

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Yeah, and I'm glad you pulled
me back to the mounds, and we'll

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go to that in a moment,
But you spot on to address that one.

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Can you imagine the amount of calories
something as big as what people describe

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in many instances seven to eight feet
tall, quite muscular, fast, so

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obviously its metabolic rate is going to
be quite quite high. It's going to

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burn a lot of calories. Can
you imagine the carnage that we would see

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on the land, you know,
in the form of livestock deaths, wildlife

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deaths, The amount of the food
that these things would have to consume if

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they were living here, it'd be
an impossible task to go undetected. So

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I do believe that. And jumping
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I'm talking about around here, most
of them are Neolithic, so you know,

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three three and a half thousand years
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few ways of looking at it and
full respectful under God for bless her.

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You know, but what if ancient
man knew the significance? What if the

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American Indians knew the significance of these
strange areas, these strange locations, and

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the the the activity took place there
before the burial mounds, and they placed

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their dead there because of the reverence
of the land, because of the the

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significance. That's just one idea that
I've had. Or it could be that

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the burial mounds are placed there in
these special areas and somehow, these these

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creatures call them where wolf, dogmen, whatever you want to call them,

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are somehow summoned or or or created
through the thought process like touplers. It's

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a it's a difficult one to get
your head around what came first. And

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you know, I can see that
probably your line of thinking is that these

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things are there to protect the burial
mouns, and it's not it's not a

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bad way to look at it.
When you go back and you look at

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places like Egypt and you've got the
dog dog headed is it a new base?

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And then I think it's the Mayon's
had ex all and a lot of

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these ancient civilizations had dog headed deities
that that somehow protected or were guardians of

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the dead. So it carries through, Steve. So I think it's I

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think there's a lot of truth or
a lot to be considered with what you've

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just said. Yeah, I really
do. I think. I remember reading

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on the mark Man prophecies by John
Keel. He wondered what came first to

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the strange lights and then they made
the as you said, made the mounds

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in respect to those or did they
make the mounds first and somehow some kind

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of a residue was formed afterwards.
And I frankly don't know, but I

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think there is an extrable link between
the two. Yeah, and I wonder,

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I wondered, excuse me, I
wonder if we human beings, not

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just UK, not just America,
all around the world, because everybody's got

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a different take on what we're dealing
with, what the intelligence is, and

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how it presents and how it looks
to us. You know, if you

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went to different parts of the world, I would imagine we'd all be looking

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at something similar, but a slightly
different take on on the phenomena and how

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these things look. And it makes
me wonder if it's not the actual intelligence

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that is the phenomena giving us what
we want in some instances. So you

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know, it might be a far
cry for some people to sort of think

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about that one. But you know, upologists see UFOs and ghost hunters see

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ghosts, that kind of thing,
And it's when it's all coming from one

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source. And I don't mean a
godhead in the in the that way,

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but all coming from one time ship
of intelligence. And I mean because sometimes

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you know, the unexplained phenomena is
almost a meebeish in its behavior and how

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it starts. Do you know,
let's just jump to the poltergeist phenomena,

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and people who have activity taking place
will say in their home, any home

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in the world. He doesn't always
start with drama and sort of seeing movement

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and things flying around. Usually it
starts very subtle, you'll hear a noise

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like a light switch clicking in a
hallway, or you'll you'll hear something like

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a small stone rattling on lamon at
floor. I'm using examples of my own

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here. But then it grows,
and it's almost steve as though. As

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our awareness grows to the the intelligence
that is the poltergeist, the phenomena of

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the poltergeist grow in, either in
boldness or intelligence. I don't know how

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it works. I don't know the
mechanics of what's happening, but I know

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that in some instances I wouldn't say
all, but I would think the majority

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in the Poultergeist type intelligence. It
grows as our awareness grows with it.

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I mean, I don't know if
you've looked into the poltergeist at all.

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I mean, yes, it fascinates
me. Well it also I mean,

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I think there may be something to
people that are disturbed or focused on something

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or have some kind of issues,
and this is kind of a excess residue

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of mental energy perhaps. But on
the other hand, a lot of people

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that saw the mothman creature or apparition
in the middle sixties went home afterwards and

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had an outbreak of Poultergeist phenomena.
And we've both heard stories of people seeing

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UFOs and close proximity that have also
had outbreaks of poulter Geist phenomena. So

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we wonder, how do we,
you know, how do we tie these

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things together, How do we explain
how do we explain the poultrygeist phenomena as

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a whole well exactly. And I
don't profess to have the answers, but

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you touched on their outbreaks of kind
of mental concentration that you know, the

403
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:22,440
person who's seen the Mothman in the
sixties suddenly it went after the sighting,

404
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:25,680
things of an unexplained nature start to
happen more. It could that be that

405
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:31,279
after seeing such a thing, his
perception of what can be and one what

406
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:37,400
cannot be is broken down and he
is more open to the in his belief

407
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:45,000
system that anything is possible. Maybe
it's just the firewall that is that we

408
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:50,200
present, that we sort of have
instilled into us from birth. Maybe that

409
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:53,920
firewall is broken down and we're able
to I don't know. I don't know

410
00:33:53,960 --> 00:34:00,640
if we're able to access it or
whether the unexplained, the intelligence that is

411
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:07,519
the unexplained, is able to influence
us more because popular culture and the twentieth

412
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:15,360
century culture sort of shuns any notions. Science shuns notions that the UFOs could

413
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,760
be real. In many instances,
that the cryptids could actually be something that's

414
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:27,760
gone undetected since from millennia. But
unfortunately for science, and it must really

415
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,840
frustrate it. These things have stood
the test of time and I reported time

416
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,760
and time again, and they don't
have an handle on it. They've not

417
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,199
got an answer to what these things
could be, no matter how much thought

418
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:45,679
and effort they throw at it.
And it must be difficult because obviously everybody

419
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:52,280
wants, you know, academia wants
to solve these enigmas with the use of

420
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,599
science, and they've not come to
that yet. I mean, even now,

421
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:02,679
you know, with the congressional hearings
and the release of new information and

422
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,880
this, I don't know how we
ever going to get disclosure. I don't

423
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,519
think we are. But I'm where
am I going with this? Even now

424
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:16,559
we've changed the terminology and we're calling
them non human? Could that be because

425
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:22,840
the people actually realize that these things
aren't extraterrestrial? Could that be the reason

426
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:28,360
that name has been changed or part
of the reason because the staple explanation,

427
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,440
and sorry for're jumping about her people, but the staple explanation for somebody'd seen

428
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:37,960
some spectacular UFO to put these people
down. But the powers that be academia

429
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:44,280
and science was these things couldn't possibly
traverse the vast distances of space to get

430
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,920
here. Well, did anybody actually
stop to say, they're already here?

431
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:54,760
These things are already here. I
mean, they could be residing under the

432
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,159
oceans of the world, Steve.
As we know, there's probably ninety to

433
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,599
ninety five percent of the oceans of
the world that are uncharted. So that's

434
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:09,760
a vast area that nobody really knows
a lot about. And I've coined a

435
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,760
phraseer Steve, I mean, and
I loved saying it is, and I

436
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:20,400
call it the sub universe. The
submersed universe could be where a lot of

437
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,079
this comes from, you know,
and the strong possibility that there's a lot

438
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:29,880
of things beneath the oceans of the
world, beneath the sub universe that are

439
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:35,639
just waiting to be discovered. Let
me do my quickener omission here and we'll

440
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:38,480
get right back to it. Okay, you are listening to the highest strangeness

441
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:44,360
factor copywriter on the Paranorble UK radio
network. Today, I'm talking to Paul

442
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:51,760
Sinclair, investigator and researcher in the
UK about his book's Truth Proof The Truth

443
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,719
That Leaves No Proof. Paul,
I want to tell you that I watched

444
00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:00,280
Wolflands last night. I streamed it
on Amazon US and people need to know.

445
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,400
You can stream it from Amazon US
or Amazon UK and you can even

446
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,280
go to the website where you can
buy Paul's books and order a hard copy.

447
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,320
And I've got to tell you,
Paul, I was just blown away.

448
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,760
It is. It is so well
done. It had extremely high production

449
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:22,280
values, the editing, the music, the pacing. I love the way

450
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:28,280
you put together the documentary and you
kind of you focused on different people,

451
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,039
different witnesses, very credible people,
and you kind of go back and forth

452
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:38,800
with the with the purpose of showing
the patterns and the connections between these people

453
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:44,400
and their reports. Well, thank
you. And I need to say now,

454
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:50,199
people I haven't paid Steve to say
that, Yes, ladies and gentlemen,

455
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:54,239
pursue it, stream it by it. It is absolutely and it's chilling

456
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,639
too. I mean, it's just
a straightforward documentary, but it's like watching

457
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:05,000
a suspenseful horror movie. I'm so
pleased you've said that, and I'm gonna

458
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,119
be biased people, but I think
it's I personally think that wolf Lands is

459
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:13,440
the certainly the best documentary of it's
kind to come out of the UK.

460
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:19,159
But I think it can compete with
anything in the genre. And what we've

461
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:23,320
got are first had witnesses and we've
not just got like the usual documentary just

462
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:29,079
one or two people sat talking in
a in a cafe over a coffee and

463
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:32,760
then going back to some reconstruction.
I've been into the forests in many instances

464
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:38,960
with these witnesses everybody. I've written
everything in the documentary. My daughter and

465
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:45,679
a guy called Mick Park have produced
the music, and like, you do

466
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,639
you mind if I just talk about
that for a moment too, oh please?

467
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,199
And just one not on the music. I am a huge fan of

468
00:38:52,360 --> 00:39:00,639
film, documentary and television composition music, and I'm very appreciative of various composers

469
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:06,159
and they have done such a superb
job. It's incredible and we were so

470
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,679
fortunate. I've got one of my
daughters with four Girls, is an opera

471
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:14,559
singer, so she's done the harmonies, and her husband also with they have

472
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:19,679
a small music studio, and I
was so lucky. Whilst making writing the

473
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,559
books, I was contacted by a
guy called Mick Park and he just told

474
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:25,800
me he loved what I was doing. He was interested in it. And

475
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,760
when I got to know Mick,
it turns out mixed a music producer who's

476
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,920
worked with some of the top artists
in the world such as You Too,

477
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,119
and you Ruby Turner, and there's
a lot on the list, and he

478
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:42,639
said he'd like to help us produce
the music for wolf Land. So he

479
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,280
teamed up with my daughter doing the
harmonies, and they've produced this amazing piece

480
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:52,480
of music that is bespoke for the
film and all the writing for it I've

481
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:54,400
done, and yeah, I'm proud
of it, and I guess it shines

482
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,400
through with what I'm saying to you
guys. So I don't want to I

483
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,000
don't want to labor and brag too
more people. But if you, even

484
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:05,079
if you don't watch it, read
the reviews that that kind of tells you

485
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:08,199
all you need to know. I
mean, and people like Martin Groves.

486
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:15,000
You've spoken to Martin Groves, I
would think Steve and uh and other you

487
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:21,440
followed upologists and Cryptid researchers, Josh
Turner and other people. They've watched wolf

488
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:24,840
Lands and been blown away by it. So it really you know you've done

489
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:30,960
your job if the if the key
cryptid researchers and experiences are impressed by what

490
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,920
we're doing. But I do you
want me to tell you any accounts from

491
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:38,079
within the documentary? Yes? Yes, really what we their appetite and get

492
00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:44,840
them energized to to watch it or
purchase it. Well, one of them

493
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:50,480
that fascinates me is and most of
them are were Wolfstoke dog Man related.

494
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:55,079
But with with there's light form phenomena
associated with it as well, and there's

495
00:40:55,119 --> 00:41:02,159
also there's some there's a human aspect
where the people were found in unfortunate circumstances

496
00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:07,760
in a place called Dolby Forest.
I'll not go into too much detail about

497
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,960
that. They'll let the film do
the talking. But there's a forest in

498
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,519
the UK about twenty five miles twenty
twenty five miles from where I'm sat now

499
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,639
called Broxa Forest, which is a
fascinating name. It's an unusual name.

500
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:27,079
It's not an English name. I
think it's Portuguese and Broxa in some cultures

501
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,079
A Broxer is a shape shifting demon. So that's fascinating that something took place

502
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:36,119
in a forest called Broxa and it's
on the edge of what's called the Forge

503
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,519
Valley. So I just I just
find these names and these connotations. And

504
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:45,039
it's near the place called Hacknes,
which in ancient times was called Hachanos,

505
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:50,440
which means with the whiskers, which
is another strange connotation. But let me

506
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:54,719
jump into the Broxa sighting. Three
guys, Jimmy, Steve and the one

507
00:41:54,760 --> 00:42:00,599
i'll call witness number three who hasn't
gone on film, decide. Jimmy decided

508
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:05,480
to find a location for him and
his two friends to go wild camping,

509
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,280
something that they did two or three
times a year. They do a bit

510
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:14,400
of fishing, bit of camping,
not interested in unexplained phenomena in any way,

511
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,840
shape or form, and they've done
it for years. These men live

512
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:22,679
in close proximity to each other in
a place called Rotherham, and they traveled

513
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,679
to Broxa Forest, which would be
about one hundred and forty miles away on

514
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,880
this weekend. And where we're talking
about. It's in a deep ravine.

515
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:36,880
The ravine is you can go down
the ravine. You don't need ropes,

516
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,079
but it's very, very steep,
and it's seven to eight hundred foot into

517
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:44,360
the bottom of this ravine and there's
a river running through it called the River

518
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,280
dare Went. And as they're going
into the ravine, he said, it's

519
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:53,079
getting quite late and we've never been
before, and you know, it's getting

520
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:58,320
dark. We're setting up camp.
We've just got camp set up as night

521
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,239
folded in, and it took us
a long long time to get down with

522
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:06,159
us camping gear and everything. And
Witness number three, when he got down

523
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:09,280
into the bottom of the ravine,
said, I don't like it. We've

524
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:15,119
got to leave. I don't feel
comfortable. And Jim and Steve looked at

525
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:17,320
each other and then they looked at
Witness number three. I'm sorry for calling

526
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,480
him that, people, but that's
what I'm doing because I just don't want

527
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,400
to reveal his name. And they
thought, what's the matter. Weihim,

528
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,800
he's not normally like this, and
he's really really uptight and agitated. So

529
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,000
he said, we're lit a fire, small fire, got a little bit

530
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:37,559
of food on the go, and
just settled down, got the hammocks up

531
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:42,400
and the you know, the taps
sort of set up and settled down for

532
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,199
the night. But Witness number three
is Adam, and we need to leave.

533
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:49,039
He said. It were dark.
He said, it were really hard

534
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:51,920
to get down into the ravine in
some places. He says, we'd come

535
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,760
down on as bottoms on his backsides
because it was so steep, he said.

536
00:43:54,760 --> 00:44:00,000
And I couldn't negotiate leaving this ravine
in the night. He said,

537
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:04,079
we probably wouldn't even find path to
get back to the car because they parted

538
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:07,639
it on a logging road. So
they resigned to stop in the night.

539
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:10,079
And they told him he'd got to
stop the night, you know. And

540
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:15,920
despite his agitation, he said,
and sometimes I don't know between I don't

541
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:22,119
know half eleven and a half twelve. Witness number three saw this first.

542
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,519
He said, look look over there, and he says, and a huge

543
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:29,079
pair of amber eyes that litten up
in the lit up in the darkness,

544
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:35,639
self illuminating. Now. He said
they looked human in shape. But Jim

545
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:38,519
said, I couldn't think of an
animal. And this is his exact words

546
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:44,400
to assign those eyes to. And
he held his fist out and put his

547
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,159
hands, you know, the wid
the part of these eyes. He said,

548
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,960
I just couldn't work it out,
he said. There were only about

549
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,639
three foot off the ground. These
eyes. He said, this guy who's

550
00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:59,679
with THEMS getting more and more frightened, more and more agitated, he says,

551
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:02,039
and we're trying to calm him.
Steve said, we're trying to calm

552
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:07,119
him. And we can see these
eyes. But were I know how far

553
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:12,079
away they were? Steve? They
were forty two feet because I went into

554
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:16,159
the forest with a surveyor's tape and
in daylight, and we found their camp

555
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:20,440
and we measured it to where this
thing was. So they were forty two

556
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,400
feet away, he said. And
we can see these eyes, and I

557
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,639
just can't work it out. But
we're worried he's going to run off into

558
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:30,480
the darkness. And is it middle
of nowhere? There's no habitation, there's

559
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,159
nothing said. So in the end, Jim said, I stood up and

560
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:39,239
I took two or three steps towards
these eyes, and I made a few

561
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:44,679
hissing and she shewing sounds and waved
my arms about, he said, and

562
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,440
the eyes disappeared. So I thought, oh, thank good for that.

563
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,000
That's going to be end of that. And I turned round and the firelight,

564
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:57,639
he said, and I could see
Steve and witness number three's expression,

565
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,239
and the jaws have dropped and they
look horrified, he said. And I

566
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,760
turned back, and I'm actually saying
it as these guys have said it,

567
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,639
he said. And I just thought, oh my god, he said,

568
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:15,159
because from these eyes that I'd seen
three foot off the ground in the undergrowth,

569
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:17,639
the bracken and what have you,
he said, I can now see

570
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:22,800
the full form from the waist up
of something. He said. I don't

571
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:27,840
think there was a full moon,
but there was enough light to highlight something

572
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:34,159
with huge shoulders, arms, and
monstrous head with ears that looked ridiculous.

573
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:37,039
He said. If you'd have asked
me to draw a werewolf, I would

574
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:39,559
not have drawn that. Its ears
looked too big, they were stuck upright

575
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:44,480
with tufts of fur on them.
He said. We can't believe what we're

576
00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:49,679
looking at. We're all terrified,
and we're clinging onto number three because we

577
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:54,159
think he's gonna run away, and
it's horrific to look at. And Steve

578
00:46:54,239 --> 00:47:01,519
said, we're just froze to the
spot and this thing's just there staring at

579
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:06,719
us with these illuminating eyes. He
said. We thought it was growling,

580
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,400
but after a while we realized it
was its breathing, which leads us to

581
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:16,239
what you touched on earlier. Steve
that these things, when they are infiltrating

582
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:22,719
our environment, they there is a
physical presence to them. And he said

583
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,800
every so often. And we jump
to Steve now he said this thing,

584
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,960
this thing would turn I think,
he said, to its right, he

585
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,400
said, and you could see its
muzzle and everything. And once it was

586
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,800
Steve that said, if you'd have
asked me to draw this thing and said

587
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,679
I wouldn't, he says, it
would ridiculous. It stuck out like wily

588
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,800
coyote. He said, it would
just it were Yeah, he said,

589
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,880
it were ridiculous, he says,
And the size of it. And when

590
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,880
Jim schwed it away and turned round
and they saw it stand up, Steve

591
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:59,000
said, it just there were no
movement, jerkiness. When it stood up,

592
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,519
he said, he said, if
you've got two ping pong balls and

593
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:05,760
put them in tubes of water and
slowly filled them, it just rose like

594
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,400
a machine. But the size of
it was overwhelming. He said. It

595
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:14,960
was just I'd never seen anything as
big. In the end, and it's

596
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:17,440
staring at them, not making any
sound, occasionally turning. I think I'm

597
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,760
sure, he said to the right, let me just stand there yet,

598
00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:23,559
and he said in the end,
he said, I just wanted it to

599
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:28,159
end, and he meant he wanted
it to end him. He says,

600
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,119
it was so frightening to look at
I daren't look at it yet. I

601
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:36,239
could still in my peripheral see the
glowing eyes, and I wanted it to

602
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:42,920
be over. I needed it to
end. And the night passed and this

603
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:47,519
thing still stared at them. And
this is what's fascinating. They've no recollection

604
00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:52,039
of how long they looked at it, or how long it was there.

605
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:57,320
Jim seems to think it were there
a few hours, but acknowledge us that

606
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,679
he didn't realize it had gone till
first light. Steve said it left at

607
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,840
first light, but they never saw
it go. When they realized it had

608
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,519
gone, all three of them hastily
packed up their kit. Now here's the

609
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:15,039
other bit that's interesting. Witness number
three said it's still here, and it

610
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:20,679
was saying it's still watching us,
and they traveled a fair distance up this

611
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,199
ravine when witness number three said it's
gone. Now we're okay. Now it's

612
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:29,519
gone. So ah, one more
thing I need to draw back, and

613
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:31,599
we never touched on this in the
documentary. I'm pretty sure we didn't,

614
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:37,199
but there was some communication with number
three, without a doubt, because at

615
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:46,159
one point during this encounter, Number
three said to Jim, and these lads

616
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:52,079
are broad Yorkshire, so for your
American audience, you can hear me talking

617
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:58,400
in this Yorkshire dialect flang. He
turned to Jim and when it doesn't want

618
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:04,199
the the don't want the a gym, it wants the to go. And

619
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,000
then he looked at Steve and he
said, and these Steve, it don't

620
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:10,400
want your ear. It wants you
to go, which implies to me and

621
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,400
these the lads had never asked him. They've not asked him that it was

622
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,559
communicating with him, or how would
he have known it wanted them to go?

623
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:23,960
You know, he didn't say we've
got to go. He said them

624
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,400
two have got to go. It
seems like he was the catalyst, uh,

625
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:34,840
to the sighting to the encounter.
So that's that's the BRONXA one and

626
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,920
any views on that Steve before we
well, you can you can when when

627
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:44,599
you these people are recounting their experiences, you can you can see their fear

628
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:51,239
as they recount the specific experience they
had, and there's something about in the

629
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,280
same thing in the US, the
dog man encounters. There's sort of an

630
00:50:54,400 --> 00:51:00,119
evil, sort of a very negative
vibe with these things that always with a

631
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:06,440
big foot encounter. The uh.
The Bucks County paranormal group from Pennsylvania spent

632
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:09,599
a night on Lee Hample's farm.
Lee Hample is as a farm just a

633
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:15,320
stone's throw from Bray Road near Elkhorn
where these things have been seen. He

634
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:21,280
was a he is a mathematician and
chemist, and when he was told that

635
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,639
these things were around his property,
he was scoffing. But then he saw

636
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:30,559
it himself a couple of times and
very interesting. He had missing time what

637
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,480
the first time he saw this thing? So you you talked about this sort

638
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:39,639
of possible time distortion with these three
men, and maybe there's something similar going

639
00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:45,440
on there. Yeah, And he
further throws the sightings into the into what

640
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:54,239
the true paranormal realm, the missing
time and the threads of threads, the

641
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:59,960
different the threads of similarity that run
through all aspects, the full spend,

642
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,920
some of the unexplained steves as you
will have found out, and the missing

643
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:10,320
time with the alien type scenario,
the missing time connotations with the dog Man

644
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:17,280
stroke wherewolf type encounters the missing time
with the light form scenario. I received

645
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:22,360
a report a few days well,
yeah, not long ago, to be

646
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,800
honest with you, from a lady
who lived in the village of Hunmanby,

647
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:31,280
farmstead of the Houndman and just temporarily
jump if I may jump away from the

648
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:37,119
crypt and tell you this one.
It's a small village in North Yorkshire.

649
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:40,920
I'm in East Yorkshire and we just
slip across the border to North Yorkshire,

650
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,719
to Hunmanby. And she is an
historic sighting, but if it's never been

651
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,880
heard before, it's just as relevant. And she goes back to twenty and

652
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,960
eleven, I think. She said
her son was about ten or eleven years

653
00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:00,719
old, and they were driving along
the back road into Hunmanby and there's a

654
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,599
small island. They have to come
down a hill and they approach a small

655
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:07,400
island. There won't have been many
much traffic on the road. It's a

656
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,719
very quiet road nighttime, quite unlit, she said. And as we're approaching

657
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,960
the island, she said, there's
myself, my sister and my young son

658
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,880
in the car. Sisters sat in
the back of the car. She did

659
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,039
actually say there were four people in
the car, but she didn't allure to

660
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:24,800
who the fourth one was. So
I'm assuming sister and son are sat in

661
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,639
the back of the car because and
I'll get to that in a moment,

662
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:34,840
she said. And as we approached
this roundabout this little grass island, I

663
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,920
can see coming towards us from the
coast, and the sea would be about

664
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:44,639
three miles away, a huge black
triangle, perhaps monstrous in size. And

665
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:47,039
I can see a light on each
corner, or each point, should we

666
00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:51,000
say, said, And I stopped
the car to watch it. There's no

667
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:53,280
traffic on the road. And my
sister put the window down, and she

668
00:53:53,440 --> 00:54:00,320
sat out onto the rim of the
door with the window down, and looked

669
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,559
up in the sky as this thing
approached, and she said, it had

670
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:06,679
a dome on the top, that's
how low it was. She could see

671
00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:08,960
a dome on the top of the
triangle. When it got over the top

672
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:14,639
of them, it stopped momentarily.
Then it sped off, she said,

673
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:19,639
at speed, and was instantly gone. It becomes strange now, because she

674
00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:22,840
said, the next thing that we
remember, I'm at the junction and I'm

675
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:28,719
at the White Swan Pub. Now
there's a strange little village, hum and

676
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,159
I don't know how it can contain
or how have three pubs in the village,

677
00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:36,440
a fish and chip shop, a
Chinese restaurant, a small supermarket.

678
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,159
And it's a tiny village, it
has everything. So anyway, she said,

679
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,440
I'm at the junction of the White
Swan Pub. Now I know this

680
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:47,239
road, and I would think when
you leave that round about, you could

681
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:52,599
be at that pub in three minutes. She estimates that they lost thirty minutes

682
00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:58,840
of time at least. She said, I kind of came too, as

683
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,840
two people passed the front of the
car and I almost pulled out in front

684
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,639
of them. But I have no
memory of doing that journey, and I

685
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:09,000
don't know how we'd lost thirty minutes. And suddenly, as she came to

686
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:14,679
her young son began screaming his head
off in the back of the car.

687
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:19,679
We'll say the back of the car. Genuinely don't know, but I think

688
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:22,480
it was the back of the car
screaming in his head off. Take me

689
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:24,360
home, Take me home, she
said. And now this is twenty eleven,

690
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,679
it's twenty twenty three. Still won't
talk about it. She believes he

691
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,320
knows a little bit more than they
know. I've not asked her to work

692
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:37,440
on him and try and get any
information. I believe that these things people

693
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,000
should be if they're going to tell
you, they will tell you, you

694
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:43,920
know, with their own free will. I don't want to force anybody or

695
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,320
get any information out of them,
as much as I might want to know

696
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:51,440
what happened. So she said,
we drove home totally confused. We knew

697
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,320
we'd seen the triangle, but everything
there's a gap, and I call it

698
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:59,840
the time between the time. There's
a gap from seeing this thing stop momentarily

699
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:05,679
speed off to arriving at the White
Swan Pub. She said. We dropped

700
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:08,679
my son off at home and then
we went back out into the onto the

701
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:13,679
road into the direction where we saw
it, she said. We got to

702
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,960
Walled Newton, so once again,
people google these areas. You'll see that

703
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,840
it's pretty barren, she said.
And we could see a huge cluster of

704
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,320
lights in a field, and as
much as we tried, we couldn't get

705
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,960
to the field. We could,
you know, they could see it,

706
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,159
but we were never close to it, she said. And we've then we

707
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:37,320
rounded a corner and suddenly we saw
a huge owl, big white owl that

708
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:42,719
yeah, yeah, we'd never seen
an owl as big before, and we

709
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:45,800
momentarily took our eyes off everything.
Well, we were approaching a corner and

710
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:50,559
the owl appeared to look at the
owl, and when we rounded the corner,

711
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:52,159
the lights had gone and that was
the end of the sighting. But

712
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:58,159
it's interesting that they saw the owl. There's lots of there's lots of reports

713
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:06,599
of people seeing owls in association with
seeing UFOs and other types of unexplained phenomena.

714
00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:08,400
Steve As you know, you know, I'm not telling you or your

715
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:14,280
listeners anything that most people won't be
aware of. It's sometimes even something crazy

716
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,920
like a large rabbit, and at
the time you're not really questioning how bizarre

717
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,960
it all is. That's that's correct, you know. And a large rabbit,

718
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:27,239
yeah, you know, years ago
looking I lived in a little village

719
00:57:27,239 --> 00:57:34,679
called Old Deneby and only child,
three bedroom council property and it looked onto

720
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:39,159
fields and marshland. My bedroom the
back bedroom, and many many things happened

721
00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:45,960
there of a I would consider an
alien type interaction. That's why I wrote

722
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,760
the book The Night People. But
I've got a I've got a recollection of

723
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:55,400
seeing it flooded. If there had
been heavy rains this marshland, it would

724
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,719
flood that flood the land and I
can remember looking down the fields onto this

725
00:57:59,719 --> 00:58:06,360
flowd that area and seeing looked like
what looked like metallic pencil over the water

726
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,000
on the edge of the water as
well. There's no movement in this water,

727
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:13,559
it's static. It was the banks
of the River Don. They would

728
00:58:13,559 --> 00:58:16,679
burst when you'd got eavy rain and
they would flood over, spill over into

729
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:21,639
this this area of marshland. Well, I suppose that's why it was marshland.

730
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:25,079
And I can remember seeing people or
I don't know whether there were beings.

731
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:31,079
I have no urge to say I
saw aliens, but it looked so

732
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:37,320
bizarre because they were there. We
was this metallic what looked like a pencil

733
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,679
from where I were looking over the
top of the water, not floating it

734
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:45,559
on. They were there, and
there were two or three beings or people.

735
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,360
But when it became strange for me, because I've got this memory,

736
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,599
I can see them, but there
suddenly then I saw a huge owl and

737
00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:59,039
it were almost in me face,
which is impossible, and it just rose

738
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:01,119
up. Yeah, and I would
see it. And I can remember going

739
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:07,320
to my grand's house at a place
called Adwick on Dern after this had happened.

740
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:08,880
Because I don't think I shared any
of this with my parents. I

741
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,800
want to share it with my dad
because he wore a I'm load, it's

742
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,039
past now and I'm load to say
too much bad about him. But he

743
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:23,000
liked to use his hands. He
wouldn't negotiate anything. If I'd been naughty,

744
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,239
I didn't, I didn't get talked
to, I got smacked. So

745
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,239
I wouldn't share any of this with
him. But I remember going to my

746
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,960
hands and she had the Observer Book
of British Birds, and I'm looking through

747
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:37,719
this book and the only bird that
I could see that it resembled, and

748
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:40,199
obviously you're only looking at the pages
of the book, and this thing looked

749
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:46,159
huge. It just seemed to appear
was a snowy owl and these big yellow

750
00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:50,960
orange eyes looking at me. And
I don't know what the connection there was,

751
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,559
Steve, You know, it's a
strange one of seeing this pencil type

752
00:59:53,559 --> 00:59:59,519
object over the flooded water, and
then people just an odd memory, and

753
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:08,199
people consists of cameos of events throughout
childhood that I'd seen, seen and experienced,

754
01:00:08,239 --> 01:00:15,159
and there were lots of them.
And I've tried not to expand on

755
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:17,639
them and fill the gaps in of
what I think might have happened between and

756
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:22,800
what might have happened afterwards. And
you know, it's difficult in it because

757
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:27,199
I think a lot of us.
I don't think I'm unique. I think

758
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:31,360
a lot of people carry memories of
strangeness, and the ones who aren't interested

759
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:36,519
in the unexplained, they kind of
shelve it. And it's a painful thing

760
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:43,119
to think about. And then you've
got the actual true skeptically minded person to

761
01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:47,480
the point of being a debunker,
who has an experience and they won't admit

762
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:52,039
it. They won't admit what they've
seen and experienced because it shatters the dreams

763
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:57,119
of what they truly want to believe. And that's sad in some ways.

764
01:00:57,159 --> 01:01:00,199
And I know people do do a
full three sixty, but in some instances

765
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:04,840
they never will. Sorry to jump
about there, Steve, Oh, oh,

766
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,400
that's perfect. You mentioned Night People, which is sort of autobiographical.

767
01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:13,559
So let's let's talk about your books
a little bit and where people can get

768
01:01:13,559 --> 01:01:19,440
them and warn them to kind of
steer away from Amazon US and Amazon UK

769
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,760
because there are a lot of third
party pirates there putting very high prices on

770
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:30,320
your books. But without a doubt, it amazes me anybody who yeah on

771
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,639
Amazon that are books for sale of
mine, you know, the Truth Proof

772
01:01:34,679 --> 01:01:40,079
one to four and people are selling
these books in the UK one to two

773
01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:45,719
hundred pounds one to two to three
hundred dollars in the US, which is

774
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:50,480
ridiculous. I took the books off
Amazon, I don't know, two or

775
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,880
three years ago, and we've got
the Truthproof Dot UK website and the paperbacks

776
01:01:54,920 --> 01:02:00,880
can be obtained through the website and
the reasonably priced. You can also look

777
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:07,000
at the kindles via Amazon, you
know, the digital download and obviously we've

778
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:12,599
got the Wolflands DVD d sorry,
the Wolflans documentary on Amazon Prime or it

779
01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:16,039
can be obtained through the website,
you know. And yeah, it's difficult

780
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:20,679
when you see I've heard other people
other people have written books sort of get

781
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:27,239
really upset and uptight because their books
are commanding hundreds of dollars on these other

782
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,960
platforms such as Amazon, and it's
not them that's selling them. So there

783
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,920
are other ways to get my books
and visit the website and if even if

784
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,960
you don't want to read the books, go on to Amazon and read the

785
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:42,239
reviews. You know. That's that's
what I say to people, because there's

786
01:02:42,239 --> 01:02:45,840
a lot of people written stuff,
and they'll come on a podcast we do

787
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:50,400
the Truth Proof live stream, and
they'll you know, promote a book.

788
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,800
But not in all instances. In
most instances the books are excellent, but

789
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:58,480
I kind of encourage people to read
the reviews and you get an idea of

790
01:02:58,519 --> 01:03:01,719
what somebody is produced. They are
excellent, and I'm telling people you need

791
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:07,039
to dive into these books. I
mean, they're well written, and sometimes

792
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:09,639
Paul, it feels like I'm right
there with you and your colleagues by the

793
01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:15,400
cliffs, looking at the strange lights
over the sea. And also I want

794
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,760
to say, uh, I think
on the Amazon US website, I don't

795
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:24,599
think they show uh truth Truth for
and Night People available in a u A

796
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:28,679
in a hard copy. And I
was thrilled to see that I could get

797
01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:32,000
those from your website, so because
I'd love to have a hard copy in

798
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:36,639
my hand and I can dog hear
the pages and make notes in the margins

799
01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:40,400
and so forth. Yeah, I
would actually surprised, and I knew it.

800
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:45,039
I couldn't have been coincidence to be
honest, Steve that because I know,

801
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:47,280
I know you've looked at the books
via kindlm what have you, that

802
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:52,559
you'd ordered the books and they're on
the way to you. The the actual

803
01:03:52,559 --> 01:04:01,440
odd copies and the signed and the
scent signed and tracked the ver appreciate it

804
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:06,119
and the appreciations from me because it's
great to have the support. Thank you,

805
01:04:06,199 --> 01:04:11,360
appreciate it. I'm halfway through number
three right now, and uh so

806
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:14,639
I've had I've had the books for
quite a while, but I often get

807
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:18,239
sidetracked with so many books, so
I'm always bouncing around. UH one other

808
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:24,960
thing about uh Lee Hample's property and
and your experiences with the flicks and Werewolf

809
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:30,400
in other places. Uh Lee Hample
has uh set up trap cameras and he

810
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,679
has all kinds of photographs. It
seems like there's some kind of technology going

811
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:40,280
on in the background, not just
strange lights in conjunction with these uh these

812
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:44,960
creatures, and and there's something that
seems to interfere with the uh the you

813
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:49,440
know, photographing the activities of these
beasts. The cameras will fail at certain

814
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:55,480
parts, and there's also situations where
footprints will peer up here in the middle

815
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,599
of nowhere, go along for a
while in the snow, say, and

816
01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:01,719
then disappear? Is now? I
know there's a lot of strange light phenomena

817
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,840
in conjunction, at least in the
same areas that these creatures are saying.

818
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:11,920
But are there any other other parallels
there that you can think of? Yeah,

819
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,920
I mean we've we've used trail cams
with little to no success. I've

820
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,519
got to admit I spend an awful
amount of money on cameras, more than

821
01:05:19,679 --> 01:05:24,719
my wife likes me to spend.
If I'm being sure, we use we

822
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,519
you know, and we'll get to
some of that in a moment if you

823
01:05:27,639 --> 01:05:30,280
if we've still got a little bit
of time. You know, emf meters,

824
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:36,559
trifield meters, Geiger counters, thermal
cameras and very expensive thermal camera that

825
01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:42,760
I take out with me. Have
we had any luck? It's strange because

826
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:48,440
we've used trifield meters and themf meters
for years, mainly to break the monotony

827
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,639
of setting a camera up on the
cliff tops, covering it with some material

828
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:57,000
so that the damp pair doesn't penetrate
it, and standing there for hours in

829
01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:01,079
what's relatively a boring conditions. We
take trifield meters with US and EMF meters

830
01:06:01,639 --> 01:06:06,159
thermometers because there's temperature fluctuations in the
area where you can note you can step

831
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:12,119
ten foot to one side and suddenly
it's warmer. But we'd had no success

832
01:06:12,159 --> 01:06:15,800
with the AMF meters, and then
one all the trifield meters, and then

833
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:21,159
it started. Don't ask me why
there's nothing there of an electrical nature on

834
01:06:21,199 --> 01:06:26,360
these cliff tops. And in twenty
twenty one, Mick Park who I've just

835
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,000
been talking about, was helped with
the music for or produced the music for

836
01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:33,639
wolf Lands, came to the area
with his wife and they rented a cottage

837
01:06:33,679 --> 01:06:38,480
and on an evening myself and make
up into the early hours went onto the

838
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:43,800
cliff tops of Benton, Flamberer and
Speed And and I was talking to him

839
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,400
and a few things sort of came
out or on about we'd had some incredible

840
01:06:46,519 --> 01:06:51,599
readings with a Geiger counter where the
animal mutilations were taking place through twenty seventeen

841
01:06:51,639 --> 01:06:58,320
to twenty nineteen, and in the
in some of the areas where these animals,

842
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,880
unfortunate animals were found, we got
incredible readings with the Geiger counter.

843
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,599
But that's not what I'm on about
at this moment. As I said,

844
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:10,320
I've got an EMF meter in my
bag. He said, I said,

845
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,239
put it on. He said,
let's let's let's see what happens while we're

846
01:07:13,239 --> 01:07:17,239
walking along these cliff tops in between
about eleven thirty and twelve thirty at night.

847
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:23,360
So put this one on. It's
got a visual display that just flashes

848
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:27,800
lights that go into the red.
There's other ones with little meters on them.

849
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,239
I've I've got about five of them, and I've got this one in

850
01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:35,639
my bag and we don't ask it
questions as in, you know, is

851
01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:40,880
there are there any is anybody near
us right now? Or the typical kind

852
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:45,800
of spirit type questions. And this
thing's on green and I think we're walking

853
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:51,400
along the cliff tops and there's nothing
happening. And I said something like,

854
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:58,320
you know, if there's anything around
us now, in any intelligence around us

855
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:03,000
now, could you put some energy
into the the MF meter and make that

856
01:08:03,159 --> 01:08:09,159
make it move, make the lights
move. At three seconds, this thing

857
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:14,079
just kind of redlined, and wow, it's never done it before. And

858
01:08:14,119 --> 01:08:16,319
we've gone up there for years,
myself, Bob Brown, a group of

859
01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:19,399
people. I mean, there'll be
a group of people up there tonight when

860
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:23,359
I go, we'll be up there
till late. And I don't know that

861
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,560
my wife likes that, so she
can watch TV and just sort of sit

862
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:31,720
with little dog eating sweets. Oh
it's sorry for didressing there. But so

863
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:39,640
anyway, we as our enthusiasm grew
because we almost sent like we've got a

864
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:44,520
reaction. I said, could you
do that again? Please? Three or

865
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,119
four said bosh, it's done it
again. So mix as, I'm going

866
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:49,800
to film this, and he got
his phone out and need to stress here

867
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:55,600
people that we have tested this.
If you put an iPhone or an Android

868
01:08:55,680 --> 01:09:00,279
phone within two or three inches of
the of the meter, you'll get a

869
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:05,159
reaction. It's about eight foot away
and I'm walking down the cliffs and we've

870
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:08,560
got it on film. So if
you want to go to the truth Proof

871
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:15,439
YouTube channel, you can see these
off the cuff EMF filming that Mick Park

872
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,279
did that night. It's on there. I don't know what it's called,

873
01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:24,880
but it'll be some use the lettering
of EMF startling EMF results or something like

874
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:29,520
that. And we get to where
we're about thirty foot away from where two

875
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:33,079
military guys on February the seventh,
twenty nineteen, claimed to have seen a

876
01:09:33,119 --> 01:09:41,279
cryptid type creature February the seventh,
twenty nineteen, and it's this thing's reacting

877
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:44,920
as soon as I opened my mouth. Mix said, it's almost reading your

878
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:48,479
mind. And he's filming and it
did it. And he goes, where

879
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,680
are we now, Paul, And
I'll talk you through basically what he said,

880
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,760
And I said, we're very close
to where the military guys had their

881
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,520
experience in twenty nineteen, about thirty
foot away. And I walked through the

882
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,880
gates and it just sort of flashes
round and it's red lined. There's nothing

883
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,279
there people. You've got the North
Sea. We're on the edge of a

884
01:10:06,279 --> 01:10:11,359
two to three hundred foot sheer dropped
to the North Sea, and we've got

885
01:10:11,359 --> 01:10:15,560
farmland to the right. There's no
habitation, there's no lighting, there's no

886
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,720
cables, there's nothing to make this
happen. And he said, did you

887
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,800
get that on film, Mick?
And he went no, because I've got

888
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,840
me back to him. So I
turned to Mick. He says, ask

889
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:29,319
it, ask it some questions,
Paul, and I'd literally hold it there

890
01:10:29,359 --> 01:10:31,199
and he's got the film on me
and it's lit up he's got a torch

891
01:10:31,239 --> 01:10:33,960
there. I said, could you
give us a burst of energy? Please?

892
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:40,199
Two to three seconds? It just
red lines and it stays there.

893
01:10:41,359 --> 01:10:45,760
So I'm not one of these people
talking to you now, Steve, who's

894
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,720
saying this and you can't find it. It's on the YouTube channel, this

895
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:51,840
bit of footage. I said,
can you stop please? And it stops

896
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:58,439
and I hold my hand to my
chin with the MF meter in the other

897
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,279
hand held out and it's off and
I go worse to that effect. It

898
01:11:02,359 --> 01:11:04,640
might not be the exact ways.
Can you do that again? Please?

899
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:10,760
Bosh? It does it again,
and it's doing it and I just say

900
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:15,479
thank you. And we've been getting
results. What they mean, Steve,

901
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,840
I don't know, but we've been
getting results like that now since twenty nineteen,

902
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:26,199
and I don't mean every night.
And the strange thing you touched on

903
01:11:26,359 --> 01:11:30,479
earlier, the guy, did you
say, the farmer who didn't actually believe

904
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:34,960
that this cryptid existed? Since seen
it? Yeah, The strange thing is

905
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:42,239
the people that we're taking out there
with us to hopefully they can experience some

906
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:49,680
type of phenomena. They're the ones
that have been almost been shown because it's

907
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:55,880
reacting to new people. It's weird, it's strange, or I wouldn't said

908
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,399
disbelievers, but new people such as
Lee Heywood when we drove and he wanted

909
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,119
to see the light forms to explain
what they were, and he gets to

910
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:06,399
see them, and he's now changed
these mindsets completely as to what it is

911
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:11,600
we're dealing with. And I would
imagine the farmer. I don't know if

912
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:15,800
you know this guy, but who
Yes, I've been to his farm and

913
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:21,039
he gives presentations for a couple hours. He's over the last ten years he's

914
01:12:21,079 --> 01:12:29,279
taken thousands of photographs of strange anomalies, light anomalies, and even he's had

915
01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:32,640
deer kills on his road nearby.
He'll pull the carcass off and leave it

916
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,560
there, aim a camera on it, and after a while you'll see a

917
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:40,920
mist farm. You can tell by
the time stamp the time is moving.

918
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:45,760
And then later on the carcass has
vanished and there's no drag marks or footprints.

919
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,439
And this has happened at least a
dozen times. Do you know there's

920
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:54,680
so many similarities. And just before
I've jumped to a similarity, am I

921
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:59,680
right in thinking? Originally this guy
was not really on board with believing that

922
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,319
this was real. No. No, some of his neighbors said, you

923
01:13:01,359 --> 01:13:04,439
know, there's a whrewolf that lives
in those woods back there, and he's

924
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:08,640
looking at him like there must be
crazy. And then there was that night

925
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,640
he saw it, and then later
on he realized he was missing an hour

926
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,199
of time. It's crazy, is
that. It's almost as though he's being

927
01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:19,399
given verification for some well not for
some reason. Well, I don't suppose

928
01:13:19,399 --> 01:13:25,600
we'll ever understand the mechanics of this
exotic science that's working amongst people. But

929
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:30,720
I stay stare with you your train
of thought here. But after you're done,

930
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,079
there's one more story I want you
to tell before we kind of wrap

931
01:13:33,079 --> 01:13:36,319
it up and you tell everybody where
to contact you. But please go ahead.

932
01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:42,039
Yeah, where am I going with
this? Yeah? Back in twenty

933
01:13:42,039 --> 01:13:45,760
seventeen, myself and my wife went
to a place called danes Dyke, which

934
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,840
is a neolithic earthwork close to our
home. And there's a guy who used

935
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:54,039
to live in danes Dyke. He'd
lived there for thirteen years called Peter.

936
01:13:54,319 --> 01:13:59,119
Lovely guy lived in a tent in
the dyke, all weather conditions and we

937
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:01,520
used to take him food. It
was new Year's Day. We took him

938
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,600
some food and he told us,
as we've just missed the police, and

939
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:09,560
we asked him why, and he
said, well, they came to ask

940
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:13,239
me if i'd seen anything unusually,
he said, in particular very strange looking

941
01:14:13,319 --> 01:14:16,800
dog, which is interesting in nature
of what we're talking about, he said,

942
01:14:17,239 --> 01:14:19,880
And he said, they told me
that some sheep had been killed in

943
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:26,600
the area. So I did a
bit of digging, located the farm,

944
01:14:27,279 --> 01:14:30,880
spoke to the farmer and asked him
if he would allow me to help him

945
01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:33,920
look into what was killing the sheep, nothing to do with unexplained phenomena,

946
01:14:34,119 --> 01:14:38,960
and he said I could, and
I've got permission to go on the land.

947
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,319
Then at four thirty am and I
were doing that three or four days

948
01:14:42,319 --> 01:14:46,359
a week, and I were finding
these unfortunate animals, just like you were

949
01:14:46,399 --> 01:14:50,359
talking about the deer. And it
wasn't just sheep that were being killed,

950
01:14:50,359 --> 01:14:53,760
and there were lambs in the field
as well, but it were only taking

951
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:59,760
the fully grown news and it wasn't
using anything out from these animals to feed

952
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,479
on. The faces were stripped of
skin in many instances, the ears were

953
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:10,279
removed the front left leg for some
reason, and that was what I was

954
01:15:10,319 --> 01:15:14,319
finding, and that's what the farmer
had found before I got involved. We

955
01:15:14,319 --> 01:15:18,800
were also finding row deer in a
similar condition, badger and fox. And

956
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:24,600
what made what I were at a
loss what to I just couldn't understand it

957
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,479
at all, I'll be honest,
and I'm on those fields with the thermal

958
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:31,199
camera in the stupid o clock in
the darkness. One of the reasons was

959
01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:35,199
the local farmers told him that it
were the crows that were taking the eyes.

960
01:15:35,239 --> 01:15:40,119
Well, I wanted to get to
these carcasses before daylight, before the

961
01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:42,760
crows could get to them. And
it was nothing to do with crows.

962
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:46,960
These were in between seventy and ninety
kilow ewes and when he were finding them,

963
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,119
the eyes had gone on both sides, you know, the side that

964
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:55,279
were facing the ground as well.
So where am I going with this?

965
01:15:55,399 --> 01:15:58,800
One morning I got there and I'd
spoken to him a few days before and

966
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,920
it'd said, he said, when
he were on the field last, he

967
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,640
said, one of the lambs,
not fully grown new this time, but

968
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:09,800
as big as a labrador dog.
And he said, will say forty kilo,

969
01:16:10,199 --> 01:16:13,720
fifty kilo. He said it had
disappeared and it was number thirty five.

970
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,039
They all had a number sprayed on
the side of them. I'd probably

971
01:16:16,039 --> 01:16:20,840
do in the United States. I
don't know, but any he said this

972
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:24,159
one had gone missing. He's got
two dogs, he says. I'd done

973
01:16:24,199 --> 01:16:28,640
a full search of the field and
even looked into the little bit of woodland

974
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:30,000
at the side. There's nothing there. He said. A fox must have

975
01:16:30,039 --> 01:16:33,000
taken it, or it's escaped.
He says, but I don't know how

976
01:16:33,079 --> 01:16:36,680
because it's all fenced, and you
know, I spent years up there and

977
01:16:38,319 --> 01:16:42,680
I didn't find any animals in the
actual woodland escaping. So that was that.

978
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,439
He told me two days before he'd
lost this one. And I was

979
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:49,239
there two days later and I get
onto the so I knew two days before

980
01:16:49,239 --> 01:16:54,039
he'd lost one. So I get
there, I do a full grid search

981
01:16:54,119 --> 01:16:58,520
of the fields and I'm quite methodical, and it's split into two and there's

982
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,600
a big five bar gateing them up, and you sort of unlatched this gate

983
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,720
and I'm looking up the field.
There's nothing there. The sheep knew me.

984
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:09,880
You know, I got so much
respect and kind of love for these

985
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:16,199
sheep because from first getting involved with
this farmer and the sheep, first getting

986
01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:19,720
to know me and running off sometimes
or four hundred on field and you'd see

987
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,720
a flock of four hundred sheep just
doing a runner because I've arrived with my

988
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:28,239
little dog. Incidentally, my dog
couldn't fight its way out of a paper

989
01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:30,520
bag. That you know. It's
just a little just as companion. It's

990
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:35,840
my wife's dog. But from that
scenario I got way over the period of

991
01:17:36,119 --> 01:17:41,439
between twenty sorry, twenty seventeen to
twenty nineteen, I could just walk amongst

992
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,239
them, you know, and they
were fine with me. They were as

993
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:47,760
good as gold. So anyway,
this sheep weren't there. This lamb I

994
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:51,920
did the search of the woodland,
came off and off the fields, and

995
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:55,680
I just turned to shut the gate
and I looked and I could see it

996
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:59,479
laid in the grass. It weren't
there when I arrived. I just couldn't

997
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:01,920
believe it. So I walked over
to it. And it's not long grass.

998
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,159
Sheep meant tend to make sure that
the grass don't get very long.

999
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:10,640
And it don't look bloated. It's
got its eyes removed, its ears are

1000
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,279
removed front left leg. I touched
it. I lay my hand on it.

1001
01:18:14,279 --> 01:18:15,880
It's cold, it's clap cold.
But it's not it's not bloated.

1002
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:20,000
I rang the farmer. I said, I've just found number thirty five.

1003
01:18:20,079 --> 01:18:23,840
He says, you can't have.
I said I have. It's laid here

1004
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:28,000
in the field. And he still
weren't looking for the unexplained. He said

1005
01:18:28,039 --> 01:18:30,880
this thing. He said, the
fox must have brought it back. I

1006
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:32,960
said, well, if it has, it hasn't eaten it. And so

1007
01:18:33,399 --> 01:18:40,840
that's another strange one to add to
the animal mutilations that were taking place.

1008
01:18:41,399 --> 01:18:44,359
So jumping to it, then,
Steve, what did you want to ask

1009
01:18:44,399 --> 01:18:46,880
me? Apologies? Well, the
what I wanted you to do the finish

1010
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:51,840
up with the story that you told
in Truth Truth number one about the strange

1011
01:18:53,279 --> 01:18:57,680
man that you and your wife encountered
one day, had the bicycle and the

1012
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,079
even stranger thing. He said to
you, Oh gosh, yeah, that's

1013
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,920
I'm sat here in Bridlington, in
my home at Bridlington and at the bottom

1014
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:11,920
of our street it fans out quite
wide and it runs onto Landsdown Road.

1015
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:16,399
And I'm still useless with phones.
And I used to get my daughter's cast

1016
01:19:16,399 --> 01:19:19,159
off phones, one or one of
the girls, and she'd given me this

1017
01:19:19,239 --> 01:19:21,920
phone. They've got a new one
and I had to take it round to

1018
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:27,560
this shop to get it unlocked.
And this particular day, we left our

1019
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:32,079
house and very cold day, very
cold, but sunny, and as we're

1020
01:19:32,079 --> 01:19:38,000
walking down the street, the man
started shouting, but he was shouting at

1021
01:19:38,039 --> 01:19:42,319
me, and I didn't take in
what he was saying at first. And

1022
01:19:42,359 --> 01:19:45,199
he's got his shirt off, he's
got I think he'd got jeans on.

1023
01:19:45,279 --> 01:19:48,279
And at the side of him there's
a bike leant against the wall, a

1024
01:19:48,359 --> 01:19:53,800
green bike, a treatle tin green, like a dark green color, British

1025
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:57,119
racing green, with a little leather
bag on back of it. And he's

1026
01:19:57,119 --> 01:20:00,319
a bald head, this guy.
And when I drove up a bit closer

1027
01:20:00,359 --> 01:20:02,760
and his on the other side of
the road, he starts shouting, and

1028
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:06,479
I thought they were talking about the
sunlight. You're bringing down the lights.

1029
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:12,079
You know what you're doing. You're
causing trouble, you're bringing down the light.

1030
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,760
And I just went, oh,
yeah, yeah, enjoy the sunshine,

1031
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:17,680
mate, We've not got many more
days of warmth. Winter's nearly upon

1032
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:21,520
us. There's kind of words to
that effect. And he's still shouting,

1033
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:26,680
and I left him and we walked
towards this shop which would be about up

1034
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,279
the road and you'd take a left
and it'd be about, I don't know,

1035
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,199
ten minutes away. I said to
Mary, I said that was strange.

1036
01:20:32,199 --> 01:20:34,920
I said, he were odd,
and he looked odd. He looked

1037
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:39,760
odd because he'd got all the attributes
of somebody who were very fit, but

1038
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:44,840
yet his body looked like an action
man actually in texture and everything looks He

1039
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:49,359
looked like spam. You know that. He just didn't look right. Yeah,

1040
01:20:49,359 --> 01:20:54,560
everything had got deltoid. You could
see everything that was in place,

1041
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:58,840
but it just didn't look right.
So anyway, it must have played on

1042
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,000
my mind because we left thee and
the guy said come back at dinner time

1043
01:21:01,119 --> 01:21:05,359
or whatever, and you know it'll
be ready for you or in an hour,

1044
01:21:05,399 --> 01:21:10,840
I can't remember. And I even
considered walking back other way, because

1045
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,119
it's like on an horse show,
you could have gone all the way around.

1046
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:17,560
Brad didn't, and we walk him
back, and before I got to

1047
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:21,920
the corner of our road he were
there. He'd got his back to us,

1048
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,600
but I knew it were him,
And now he'd put on a tight

1049
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:30,439
fitting dark brown jumper, but still
got the bald head. And I went

1050
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,279
to Mary, I said, oh
my god, that blokes there and I've

1051
01:21:32,319 --> 01:21:35,520
got to pass him. So as
before I even got to him, he

1052
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:39,039
turned round, and now I knew
what he was saying, and he goes,

1053
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:43,439
You're causing a lot of trouble.
You've got to stop. You're bringing

1054
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,239
down the light. I said,
you know what he said, you know

1055
01:21:45,319 --> 01:21:48,960
what you're doing. You're bringing down
the light, and lots of words to

1056
01:21:49,039 --> 01:21:53,920
that effect. Now you know,
I'm not the most articulate placed person in

1057
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:57,079
the world, but I can hold
my own in a conversation and even in

1058
01:21:57,119 --> 01:22:00,920
an argument. But I couldn't beat
this guy to the pun with the words

1059
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,079
I mean. And he kept saying
things to me, and I kept answering

1060
01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:09,359
him, and I don't know why
I stood there and I kept answering him,

1061
01:22:09,399 --> 01:22:14,960
and every time I answered him,
he talked in riddles, and I

1062
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,319
don't know. It was so difficult, and it all got back to our

1063
01:22:17,359 --> 01:22:20,199
bringing down the light. I knew
what I was doing. I was causing

1064
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:26,600
big trouble. And in the end
he reached out. And because I'm stood

1065
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,920
facing him and and I'm on his
short I'm only five foot six, this

1066
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,880
guy would have been about five eight
five nine in a jumper. He looked

1067
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:39,119
very muscular, and like I said
before, looking at him over the road,

1068
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,840
you know, he just he looked
like you were made of plaster.

1069
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,680
Scene it odd, and he'd got
a bald head, and he'd got full

1070
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,520
wrap around sunglasses on, so I
couldn't see his eyes. And Mary's just

1071
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:56,079
stood to the left of me,
and he reached out and touched my wife

1072
01:22:56,079 --> 01:22:59,079
on the shoulder. And it were
one of them moments. I mean,

1073
01:22:59,119 --> 01:23:02,159
I'm sixty one now, and I
don't know what year this happened. Something

1074
01:23:02,319 --> 01:23:05,399
tells me. It'll say it in
the book, but it must have been

1075
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:12,079
about twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen.
And I looked at him, and I've

1076
01:23:12,119 --> 01:23:15,840
all been a little bit short tempered, but as you get older, you

1077
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,119
have to bite your tongue a little
bit, don't you. But it were

1078
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:24,000
one of them moments where, honestly, I'm not It's not some kind of

1079
01:23:24,039 --> 01:23:28,159
matcho thing, but I won't.
If I've got something to say, I'll

1080
01:23:28,199 --> 01:23:32,079
say it regardless of the consequences for
whoever I say it to, or or

1081
01:23:32,119 --> 01:23:35,720
myself. And I would just about
to grab his hand and hit him.

1082
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:40,640
I'll be honest with you, or
something like that, and I moved his

1083
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,479
hand away and he went, I'm
not talking to her. He just touched

1084
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:47,119
on shoulder. When I'm not talking
to her, I'm talking to you.

1085
01:23:47,119 --> 01:23:51,199
You know what you're doing. You
must stop. You're bringing down the light.

1086
01:23:53,079 --> 01:23:55,239
And I said, I can't stand
any more of this. I'm going

1087
01:23:55,279 --> 01:23:58,880
I've had enough of you. And
I walked and if still shouting me and

1088
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:03,319
still saying this yes, And I
don't know it were a few weeks later.

1089
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,600
Oh, I need to draw back, because it's ages since I've sort

1090
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:11,600
of retold this story. Steve's apologies. I did ask him where he was

1091
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:15,560
from, and he said the location, and when we got him, me

1092
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:19,039
and my wife couldn't remember where it
was. My wife also noted because she

1093
01:24:19,159 --> 01:24:25,199
was looking across the road as we
stood in the three people, and she

1094
01:24:25,279 --> 01:24:29,920
said his bike had no brakes on
it, no breaks at all on the

1095
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:33,720
handlebars, and he rode. A
few weeks later or sometime later, there's

1096
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:39,720
a newsflash and a man has vanished
at Bempton, disappeared off the planet.

1097
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:43,520
He's never been found since. And
it wasn't this man by the way people,

1098
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,880
but it said where he was from, and he was from a place

1099
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:51,520
in North Yorkshire called Rickle and soon
as they said Rittle, me and Mary

1100
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:58,239
went, that's where that guy said
he was from Rittle. And so I

1101
01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:01,600
don't know whether there's a connection to
him saying that and bringing down the light.

1102
01:25:02,279 --> 01:25:08,199
I really don't know. And a
few days after seeing him, I

1103
01:25:08,319 --> 01:25:12,560
walked out again and I'm almost in
town and the barber at the bottom of

1104
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:15,800
the street, who still remembers this
to this very day, come out and

1105
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,720
he said, that guy, we're
waiting for you. I says, what

1106
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,159
do you mean. He says,
well, we've been looking at him,

1107
01:25:21,159 --> 01:25:26,399
me and a couple of customers in
the shop, thinking what is that man

1108
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:31,079
doing stood with no shirt on in
this weather because even though it was sunny,

1109
01:25:31,119 --> 01:25:35,319
it was very cold. I think
I November time. And he said,

1110
01:25:35,319 --> 01:25:40,760
and he's looking at your house.
And as you come out he engaged.

1111
01:25:41,039 --> 01:25:45,479
He said he were waiting for you. And in fact, we're actually

1112
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:50,199
gonna reenact this and we're gonna do
it in another future documentary. Yeah,

1113
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:55,439
and John, John, the barber, google this place, people, it's

1114
01:25:55,439 --> 01:26:00,520
still there on Lansdowne Road. John
is gonna tell what he observed and what

1115
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,319
he saw. Another interesting bit,
just to add on to this one,

1116
01:26:05,039 --> 01:26:09,760
Steve, and I'm not sure if
I wrote it in the book, but

1117
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:16,439
there's a pub near near Speeton and
Bempton called the Honeypot and their son the

1118
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,920
landlord's son. They're no longer there
now, and I'll not say the names,

1119
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:25,600
but they had to get the police
because around the same time that this

1120
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,800
bringing down the light guy were talking
to me, and he didn't say anything

1121
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,800
about aliens or UFOs. He just
kept telling me I'm bringing down the light

1122
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:36,199
and I was causing trouble. But
about the same time they had to get

1123
01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:41,840
the police because a man stopped this
young boy would have been about fourteen fifteen

1124
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,039
and told him that he, you
know, he needed to be safe and

1125
01:26:45,119 --> 01:26:50,239
that the aliens were coming and they're
watching us and they're in the skies around

1126
01:26:50,279 --> 01:26:57,039
Bempton and lots of sort of freaky
things that frightened this young boy and his

1127
01:26:57,079 --> 01:27:00,319
family. Whether that were the same
person, I don't know. I'm not

1128
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,640
even you. It's that long since
I wrote truth Proof one. I'm not

1129
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:08,359
even sure if I included that in
the book, Steve, if I'm being

1130
01:27:08,399 --> 01:27:14,000
truthful, but that's about the gist
of the strange guy who told me I

1131
01:27:14,079 --> 01:27:17,680
was bringing down the light. Well, isn't it ironic that you have been

1132
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:21,199
bringing down the light with your research
and your books, and you've been making

1133
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:26,279
a lot of people uncomfortable, sometimes
the common man that just doesn't want to

1134
01:27:26,319 --> 01:27:30,520
deal with these things, and certainly
official doom. Sometimes I think you've stepped

1135
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,239
down a few toes now and then, yeah, it's not gone well for

1136
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:38,479
me. In some instances we've kind
of had the frightened has put on us.

1137
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:42,039
And I don't think I'm I don't
know what I'm doing because I don't

1138
01:27:42,039 --> 01:27:46,840
think I'm privy to any earth shattering, smoking gun information. Maybe maybe your

1139
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:51,680
job, Steve, maybe my job, some of your listeners, is just

1140
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:57,640
to open people's mind up, not
to the possibility. I think we've gone

1141
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:02,359
past the possibility, to the truth
of what is presenting in the skies,

1142
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:08,199
on the ground, in the world
around us, the true nature of the

1143
01:28:08,279 --> 01:28:13,479
intelligence that is the unexplained phenomena.
And remember the word the sub universe.

1144
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,800
And ladies and gentlemen, you've heard
what a great guest and how interesting Paul

1145
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:24,479
Sinclair is. Please pursue his books
and his documentary. Paul tell us all

1146
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,680
about how to get all that again? And how to contact you and how

1147
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,760
to hear you. Yeah, without
a doubt. We do a live stream

1148
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:38,199
most Thursdays, seven pm UK time. We run for approximately two hours.

1149
01:28:38,199 --> 01:28:43,720
We've had some great, absolutely fabulous
guests on, including the person I'm speaking

1150
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,560
to now, and I have no
fear in saying that I would love to

1151
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,279
have you back on the live stream. It was a lot of fun.

1152
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:54,800
Yeah, absolutely great, And to
be honest, Steve, it sounds like

1153
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:58,600
we're patting each other on the back
people, but it made made my job

1154
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:01,680
easy because I didn't have to think
and much to say, well, well

1155
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:05,159
that's same for me and everything,
you know, just just a fast beating

1156
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:10,840
hour. But please our our plus
actually, but please go ahead. Yes,

1157
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:14,640
So we do the live stream,
the Truthproof livestream every Thursday. There's

1158
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:18,600
lots of other information on there.
We've got the truthproof dot UK website.

1159
01:29:19,159 --> 01:29:24,119
There's lots of UFO reports on there, a lot from around my area that

1160
01:29:24,159 --> 01:29:29,880
are unique to this website. I
don't mind people taking them off the website

1161
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,880
and putting using them. If you
do that, please give us credit,

1162
01:29:34,079 --> 01:29:36,319
you know, because you'll not find
them anywhere else in the world, some

1163
01:29:36,399 --> 01:29:42,439
of these reports. So that's all
we ask the books as we touched on

1164
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:47,399
earlier. The kindle versions are on
Amazon the the The Wolfland's documentary is on

1165
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:54,399
Amazon Prime and the books and the
DVD can be obtained through the truthproof Dot

1166
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:59,079
UK website. And Steve, thank
you so much for allowing me to to

1167
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:02,399
promote that little bit. Thank you
my pleasure and sit tight. I want

1168
01:30:02,399 --> 01:30:05,640
to do the close out here,
but I want to tease the next time

1169
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:10,319
we cross paths, I hope to
ask you about a gentleman named Bob Brown

1170
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:15,680
and his mysterious Man in Black encounter. Yep, Okay, let me do

1171
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:19,399
the closeout. Okay. The High
Strangest Factor And by the way, Paul,

1172
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:23,840
thank you so much again for being
here. Know you welcome. It's

1173
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:28,479
a pleasure. The High Strangest Factor
was created by Steve Ward and Andy Mercer

1174
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,600
and his copyrighted on the Paranormal UK
Radio Network. I want to thank our

1175
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:36,079
fearless leaders here at the network,
Irene Alan block, Mark Johnson and Andy

1176
01:30:36,119 --> 01:30:41,720
Mercer. Also a thank you to
Andy for producing the show and composing the

1177
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:45,560
end theme. I thank you to
Brian Zeller for creating the opening theme.

1178
01:30:45,119 --> 01:30:49,720
I can also be heard on mac
Maloney's Military X Files as a correspondent weekly

1179
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:55,399
on the same network and many other
platforms. And I am Steve Ward.

1180
01:30:55,439 --> 01:31:00,000
You're humble host here on the High
Strangess Factor, displaced Michigan deep in the

1181
01:31:00,079 --> 01:31:04,920
Ohio Valley, inches from downtown Point
Pleasant, living on the same road that

1182
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:11,239
the Mothman chased cars in November of
nineteen sixty six. Thank you all for

1183
01:31:11,359 --> 01:31:15,000
listening, Andy, and I will
see you again at a fortnight. Take care