Welcome to this edition of The High Strangeness Factor, copyrighted on the Paranormal UK
Radio Network. I'm your host, Steve Ward, along with Andy Mercer.
Andy Mercer and I have covered all aspects of the paranormal with an emphasis on
the patterns and connections that bind different elements of the unexplained. Together, we
have a backed library of shows that go back three to four years with interesting
people, researchers, investigators and authors in the entire realm of the paranormal.
Andy Mercer can't be with us tonight, but let me introduce our great guest.
Paul Sinclair is a UK author and researcher who lives in the seaside town
of Bridlington on the East Yorkshire coast of the United Kingdom. He has been
investigating strange phenomena around the area of East and North Yorkshire for many years and
uncovered a deep history of folklore, strange sightings and mysterious disappearances. Paul would
describe himself first and foremost as a multi phenomenal researcher and would never want this
singular label of UFO researcher or any other because he believes that everything within the
subject is linked Paul. Welcome to the high Strangeness Factor, Steve. Thank
you. It's an absolute prelusia to be talking and shartting bits of information with
you guys today. Yeah, thanks for great intro as well. Absolutely brilliant.
And yeah, the multi phenomena research. I'm not sure that everybody subscribes
to it, Steve, but I think the trend in thinking the last few
years has moved away from the I'm a UFO researcher and pigeon everything into that
hole into that box, and I'm a cryptid researcher. Therefore, anybody who
files a cryptid report and it has a bit of light form phenomena associated with
it, I'm gonna omit that because it doesn't fit into the criteria of what
I believe a cryptid researcher should be. I think we've just got to throw
the net wide and explore all avenues. I think you're right. I think
it's it's perfectly all right to specialize in certain areas, but sometimes people will
ignore somebody, shall we say, high strangest aspects or things that just don't
quite fit into their preconceived ideas. And I think the one of the pioneers.
Was was John Keel. You know, he's a little bit like you.
He did not like to He did not like to be called a ufologist.
He wanted to be called a Fortian, you know. Ailing back to
Charles Fort, because I think you and I and John Keel all agree with
Charles Fort when he said you can begin to measure a circle anywhere. What
a brilliant analogy. And you absolutely agree with that, you know, and
I'm not breaking new ground here, Steve. You know, like you've just
alluded to Keel, fought Jacques Valet. These people were thinking way out of
the box and way ahead of the time. And I think, you know,
certain factions of the subject of the unexplained sort of catching on to this.
Now. You know, the truth Proof books that I've written, there's
there's four books, and then there's the one about my personal experiences. They
all cover the full spectrum of the unexplained. And you know, we'll be
honest and say that when I first started looking into this, I will probably
bias duty experience the experiences that had happened to myself during childhood, and it
had put me on the path of UFO stroke abduction type research and writing the
first book, Steve you Know, Truth Proof one, I contacted a few
newspapers local to my area and asked them if they'd kindly put a little article
in for me, saying that I'm looking for stories of the strange and unusual.
And I got a few from an area called Flixton in North Yorkshire.
And I realized, some of your listeners who aren't familiar with the UK or
this part of the UK will probably have to google these areas. But I'm
in Bridlington and it's about eleven eleven miles away from where I am now.
But these didn't have anything to do with the UFO sighting or alien type phenomena.
These had something to do with what people would term as a werewolf.
And you know, when I first got those reports, because I'd never looked
into anything like this, I kind of rolled my eyes. I didn't laugh,
but you know, I'd got people from what I could gather perfectly sayings
everyday, human beings from different walks of life. I got two reports actually
writing first book, but these people didn't know each other from the area of
Flixton to say that they'd seen this thing. Another one was to tell me
that it went back into the annals of folklore and had I looked into this
strange bipedal creature that had been reported over decades and decades. And then the
more I looked at it, Steve, if you want me to just run
into this one a little bit, oh, absolutely, yeah. I realized
that even the place names excuse me, even the place names i'd sort of
connotations, not necessarily to the were wolf, but to the wolf. And
you know, and I've touched on it many times. When the actual village
of Flixton, it's got a neighboring village called Folkton, and I think the
road that runs through is well, I know it is. I think it's
the eight ten three nine, and there's one way in and one way out.
It's a tiny village even if you combined both villages. But it's a
very old community that's there, and it's an old village itself. And back
in nine thirty seven AD, that's going back well over a thousand years one
thousand and eighty six years ago, the then king Athelston had a refuge built
at Flixton, which and it was on the edge of an ancient lake bed
which modern man's called stark car I doubt if early manu it a star car,
but it was. It was after the Ice Age, it was that
it was. I think it's Paolithic. So we're going back eight to eleven
thousand years. I may have I might not be under present accurate with that,
but I'm fairly close to the point. And he had a refuge built
there on what's called the cars and nothing to do with motor vehicles. It's
c ABRs. It signifies reeds, an elder and wetland. And this refuge
was built to protect travelers a thousand and oh gosh, what did I say?
Eighty six years ago? To protect travelers from from wolves? And then
it just added a little bit to the writing and an infestation of savage beasts
and that got me thinking, because we know that wolves would have been apex
predators in the United Kingdom probably all over Europe over a thousand years ago,
but not the bear. So what was the infestation of savage beasts? Obviously
it doesn't say where wolf, but it's it's a fascinating add online because I
don't know what else we had in the United Kingdom that could have been an
infestation of these savage beasts. And he also said that a certain portion of
land in Flixton shall forever be known as Wolfland, and hence the title of
our documentary Wolfland. You know, that was the starting point for the documentary.
But then you venture two to three miles from Flixton and you come to
another small village on the Wold Steve, and this w O l d s
the Wolds in kind of Yorkshire dialect, it means the wilds, the wild
barn lands. And you come to another village called Hunmanby, and when you
break it down or when you look back in time, it means huned hunded,
meaning hound, and it's Hundmanby and it means farmstead of the houndman.
So we've got another connotation. Historians have said, obviously because they're not looking
for the paranormal explanation, that it could be because the king kept his hounds
there, so it's farmstead of the houndman. We can't discount that. But
it's also interesting to note that for such a prestigious thing as the king keeping
his hounds in Hunmanby, there's no historical record to say that that is actually
true. So I find it fascinating that I'm looking into these stories of some
fur covered bipedal creature from an area called Flixton, And we've got all this
history surrounding it, with the ancient place names, plus the burial mounds,
Wolf how and howl Moore and all these names attached, and then we get
the stories coming out from residents and people passing through. Nineteen forties. I
got a story from a guy who lived in the village recently passed away,
but I mean, and he told me, well, when I first started
going and doing a bit of research, I was in the church yard of
Fault and I'll just draw back a little bit and give you a background on
this man. And he lived near the church, and he asked me what
I was doing, beautiful summer's day, just having a wonder around my wife
or with me, And I told him I was researching for a book and
what I'd been told in the correspondence that I'd received, And he said he'd
never heard of it. So that didn't put me off, but I thought,
oh, fine, that's okay. And then six months later, I'm
back in the village, I bump into him again and yeah, he knew
what I was looking for. And I told her, I said, did
you realize that Wolfland was once called Sorry, Flixton was once called Wolflands,
and Hunambe farmstead of the hound Man. And he sort of right smile,
he said, oh, you've got that far, have you, I said,
well, yeah, And you know, I said, there's more connotations
and even old homes and farmsteads or farms that have long since gone into disrepair
that were named after such a dark and sinister things. It's as well,
I'm going to tell you now, he said, I've seen it, and
I couldn't believe what he was telling me. This old chap and he said
to me, if you go out of the village and you go up onto
what's called Staxton Brow and Staxton Brow people, if you want to google these
locations, it's very close to raf Staxton Wold, which will be the oldest
operational Arif base in the world. And at Staxton wold's built on a historic
site. It's built or the foundations of Staxton and Arif. Staxton Wold are
built on the foundations of a Roman hill fort. Looking across from Staxton Wall
you see a group of burial mounds. It's a barrow cemetery and it's called
sharp How and I've found five. And when I say I've found I'm not
an archaeologist. People. I can see the remnants of five burial mounds.
Two of them are still very large by by anyone's standards, but apparently there
was seven to nine before, you know. The farmer and his plow decided
to I don't know, slowly whittle them down and level the land out,
he said. And we were up there in the nineteen forties, I believe,
he said, nineteen forty eight. And that sticks in my mind.
Me and another boy, summer's evening, we're just sort of doing what we
do. Is no danger of being out, and you know, unlike youths
of today, so to been out in nine half past at night on a
summer's evening, he says, we were quite safe. And we're walking towards
the burial mound, which is just out of the village, and there's a
tree growing out of the side of it, and this thing is squatted down
with its back to a tree, and he said, it's looking. It
was looking at something in its hands, and he said hands. And we
stopped in our tracts and this creature, basically a human figure in the with
the head of a wolf looked at us and we turned and ran and it
didn't pursue. So that kind of tells you there's something strange here that was
not the actions of an apex predator. Not only that I need, I
will hold my hands up and say that this thing, or these creatures that
I'm talking about around Flixton and around the cliff tops of eastern North the Orchard
that have been reported, and I've got lots and lots of reports steve from
people totally unconnected to one another, different backgrounds, different educations, different ages,
all singing from a similar inm sheet, all saying a similar thing.
These things are not resident to the area. They would be carnage. We
don't have the forests like like they've got in America and these vast national parks.
We've just not got that area. That said with North Yorkshire is a
big area, and I'll touch on that shortly. But I believe that they're
coming from some other sphere of existence. There's something else. These things are
truly paranormal. They've got all the attributes of something truly paranormal as well.
In some instances, I've got reports of self illuminating eyes glowing red or amber
eyes, which is not something that you associate with anything known in the animal
kingdom. And we know we get bioluminescence with marine life, but I don't
think we well, I know we don't get it here in the UK,
and I know we don't get what people have described, which is seven to
eight foot tall bipedal, fur covered creatures. So do I believe that people
are seeing them? Yeah? I do believe that they're resident to the area.
No, these things are something else. And do I believe that they're
traveling around in spheres of light? No. I have associated the light form
phenomena with reports of these things because it's the reports have come in in conjunction
with the cryptid report. But I realized not everybody's going to subscribe to this
way of thinking, and I'm not here to convert people. All I'm doing
is taking people's reports, people's accounts, and relaying them in the most honest,
truthful way that I can steve. It does seem that these things are
temporarily physical, something temporal that there was interesting. There was a report in
one of Linda Godfrey's books. I think it was monsters among us And I'm
going to stretch here. I think it was in Pennsylvania and Route eighty something.
A man's driving at night and he sees this light going through the woods
and it's coming down toward the road and there's a there's a dip, and
he's thinking this guy is on some kind of a four wheel uh uh uh
uh device, and he's afraid the guy is going to come down the cliff,
so he slows down and this light continues across and it actually, according
to his testimony, morse into some kind of a dog man type creature that
then takes three three leaps and is across the road. So that we do
get that those kind of reports sometimes. But what I was thinking you were
you were saying, is it true that a lot of these uh call them
werewolf, dog met or whatever are are seen in conjunction with some of the
ancient mounds. Yeah, without a doubt that there's definitely a strong association with
ancient earthworks and burial mounds. And you know, you know, during the
making of Wolf Lands, we we spent a lot of time in the forests
of North Yorkshire. And I know I just said, we don't have the
vast expanses of land and truly that we don't. But the North Yorkshire Moor's
National Park, which encompasses more grazing land for sheep and cattle Moor's, you
know, the ancient baron moors and forest and woodland covers about five hundred and
twenty five square miles. So some people might say, well, that's enough
room for something to hide and evade detection. I still don't think that these
things are there in the manner that some people want to believe, as in
a flesh and blood creature that's foraging some kind of existence, but the actual
light form phenomena Steve that's associated with them. In twenty nineteen, myself and
a guy called Lee Haywood visited the cliff tops of an area called Bentton,
which is where a lot of the reports in the Truth Proof books originate from.
Lee very skeptical, but in a good way. I don't mind people
questioning everything. I think as researchers yourself included, myself included, we've got
to look for the answers we've got to and the plausible answers, and if
it doesn't lead us down a road route that's paranormal, then tough, because
you know, not everything can be truly unexplained. So that's the nature of
Leehyward. He came up to the Cliff Tops because he's something of an aircraft
expert, and he believed the orange spheres of light that I've been documenting for
decades out at sea and over this area of land was some kind of misidentified
aircraft on my part. And we'll get to the cryptids in a moment.
Stevie. It was November fourteenth, twenty nineteen, and we drove up what's
called Cliff Lane to the Cliff Tops, just under a mile long single track
road, and he's asking me about the lights and as if to order when
it said, what do they look like? An orange sphere of light lit
up in the sky to the right hand side while I'm driving, And I
said, like that, I just looked like tangerines if you can picture the
tangerine, but with arms length about the size of a pea. And he
kind of said, oh right, oh yeah, yeah. I said,
well that's what we're looking for. And this doesn't happen, Steve, all
the time we can. I'm going after we've done this interview, I'll be
up there tonight. There'll be several of us up there, and I'm there
three, four or five times a week, and we can I can go
up for a full year and see nothing. It's you know, when somebody
could come up the day after and report something or have a little bit of
footage of these things. But let me get to my point. So I
set cameras up on the cliff tops. I'm talking to Lee, and over
the course of that night, these things, these spheres of orange light presented
in twos and threes over the sea, literally just blinking into existence. And
by the time you fired the camera up, they've switched off again. That's
how it appears. It's just like a light switch going on. They're not
illuminating any area around them. So this is continuing, and I've faced I'm
looking out to see and I turned to face Lee, and in the field
with us, that is the most monstrous orange sphere of light. I've never
seen one as big or as dramatic as that. Ever, it's close,
and as I'm pulling the camera around and putting it on, it's kind of
imploding and it's gone. It blew Lee away. Lee is now kind of
converted. He's not looking for some kind of earthly logical answer, so where
are we going with the cryptids during lockdown? During COVID? So this is
some time afterwards. I found myself on the cliff top. So I rang
a farmer friend of mine up because I knew it would be private, and
asked if I could park on his land and walk over and observe the sky,
which he agreed, and I took a chat with me who's come with
me for years, called Bob Brown, and we took a flask and we've
got warm clothing on. We set everything up, and a man walked along
the cliff tops with a dog towards Flamborough ahead, you know, and he
asked us what we were doing. How we're looking for at the seabirds,
because there's a wonderful seabird colony there and they do get a lot of bird
watchers. And I said, I just kind of nodded and smiled. It
weren't dark. So when he comes back, it's getting dark, and he
realized we weren't looking for the seabirds and it will relate to Lee Hayward's story
in a moment. People don't think I've just left that. So he's talking.
He said, well, what you're looking for? Lads. I said,
well, it not be your thing, but I'm trying to film or
document these spheres of orange light that are seen over the sea. He said,
well, he said, I've lived in Return, which would be about
three to four miles down the coast all my life. I've got windows that
overlook the sea. I've never seen them, So which is fine is being
honest? An? You know, he's talking to us, and just as
he's about to leave, this guy and his dog, Bob said, what
about unusual animals? He said, what do you mean? Well, what
we do. We're quite careful not to talk about the werewolf type creature.
I think it's just a little bit too much for some people to take in.
And I don't blame them. We said, well, there's been a
big black cat scene for years around here. As people know, they're not
native to the UK, but we do get reports of them. So Bob
wasn't lying. He said, have you ever seen it or heard any reports
of that? He said no. He said, I'm going to tell you
something now. He said, I have seen something. He said, and
I haven't even told my wife and gone, and we're kind of all ears,
and he made his dog sit down, and he said, well it
was in twenty nineteen. He said. I went onto the beach at Reton
where he lives, which would be, like I've said, three to four
miles away, he said. And I'm walking down the beach, he said,
there's a full moon. And before anybody latchres onto this one, I
don't think there's any correlation to the full moon and silver bullets. That's for
movies. But it said it was a full moon, he said. And
this dog's very clever. It was a hunting dog, by the way.
It was a pointer, he said. And he stands slightly different if he
sees a pheasant, too, if he sees a rabbit, he says.
And I kind of know what is seen or what is sensed, he said.
I can't work his body language out. It's because he looks puzzled and
his study's clearly seen something. And then I'll look onto the cliff halfway up,
and because these cliffs slowly go from about forty five degrees to a vertical
four hundred and twenty foot drop, and he's not there. He's just under
forty five degree angle. He said, I can see something. So I
pull my binoculars out and I'll look up onto the cliff and I don't know
if it's a goat or a small pony, And I think, what's that
doing on side of the cliff. It saysn't with that, it's stood up
on two legs, he said. I said, I kid you not.
This thing stood up and we're just all here as we can't believe what this
guy's telling us. And he said, although I couldn't see directly looking at
me, I knew it was looking down at me and the dog. I
said, I said, did you feel frightened? And he said no.
If I'm being truthful, I'd like to say you were terrified. But it
fits the story mob But he said no, he said, and it turned
and went on its way across the top of the cliffs. Now what makes
this story interesting? I checked the full moon in November twenty nineteen, which
is when he said it was, And it was the twelfth of November.
That was two days before myself and Lee Heywood saw this huge sphere of light.
Is there a link? Well, obviously, Steve, we can't say
yes, but it's interesting. Nevertheless, I find it fascinating that such a
thing could such a correlation in close proximity by date and by location should crop
up. I don't know what your views on that are. Well. I
think that many researchers do find patterns. We do have to be aware of
that, and sometimes things kind of fall into place. I wanted to pursue
that the mound thing a little bit more now. Of course, Linda Godfrey
brought the dog man werewolf into consciousness back in the nineties when she wrote The
Beast of Bray Road and started investigating the strange sightings around Elkhorn, and in
her second book, Hunting the American Werewolf, she says, by accident,
she was looking at a book of effigy mounds in southern Wisconsin, and also
she had a cluster of dog man sightings in the same area. She found
that the dog man encounters and certain effigy mounds overlapped almost perfectly, and they
were what they call panther mounds and water spirit mounds. Now, a panther
mound is if you imagine a panther and just drew a simple line around it.
You got the head, a little bit of a tail, and the
feet, and then the spirit mound. They seem to be a little bit
smaller and the same kind of shape, except that their tail is long and
pointed. So I thought that was really interesting, and I think it goes
back to Native American beliefs that the that these creatures were there to somehow protect
the mounds. So there's there's there's no question there's some kind of a link
between these manifestations and these mounds and the other. To go to your point
about these things not being you know, strictly flesh and blood, can you
imagine there would have to be some kind of a colony of these things,
uh, and in certain numbers in order to survive over all these years.
Yeah, and I'm glad you pulled me back to the mounds, and we'll
go to that in a moment, But you spot on to address that one.
Can you imagine the amount of calories something as big as what people describe
in many instances seven to eight feet tall, quite muscular, fast, so
obviously its metabolic rate is going to be quite quite high. It's going to
burn a lot of calories. Can you imagine the carnage that we would see
on the land, you know, in the form of livestock deaths, wildlife
deaths, The amount of the food that these things would have to consume if
they were living here, it'd be an impossible task to go undetected. So
I do believe that. And jumping back to the earthworks, the ones that
I'm talking about around here, most of them are Neolithic, so you know,
three three and a half thousand years old, and I suppose there's a
few ways of looking at it and full respectful under God for bless her.
You know, but what if ancient man knew the significance? What if the
American Indians knew the significance of these strange areas, these strange locations, and
the the the activity took place there before the burial mounds, and they placed
their dead there because of the reverence of the land, because of the the
significance. That's just one idea that I've had. Or it could be that
the burial mounds are placed there in these special areas and somehow, these these
creatures call them where wolf, dogmen, whatever you want to call them,
are somehow summoned or or or created through the thought process like touplers. It's
a it's a difficult one to get your head around what came first. And
you know, I can see that probably your line of thinking is that these
things are there to protect the burial mouns, and it's not it's not a
bad way to look at it. When you go back and you look at
places like Egypt and you've got the dog dog headed is it a new base?
And then I think it's the Mayon's had ex all and a lot of
these ancient civilizations had dog headed deities that that somehow protected or were guardians of
the dead. So it carries through, Steve. So I think it's I
think there's a lot of truth or a lot to be considered with what you've
just said. Yeah, I really do. I think. I remember reading
on the mark Man prophecies by John Keel. He wondered what came first to
the strange lights and then they made the as you said, made the mounds
in respect to those or did they make the mounds first and somehow some kind
of a residue was formed afterwards. And I frankly don't know, but I
think there is an extrable link between the two. Yeah, and I wonder,
I wondered, excuse me, I wonder if we human beings, not
just UK, not just America, all around the world, because everybody's got
a different take on what we're dealing with, what the intelligence is, and
how it presents and how it looks to us. You know, if you
went to different parts of the world, I would imagine we'd all be looking
at something similar, but a slightly different take on on the phenomena and how
these things look. And it makes me wonder if it's not the actual intelligence
that is the phenomena giving us what we want in some instances. So you
know, it might be a far cry for some people to sort of think
about that one. But you know, upologists see UFOs and ghost hunters see
ghosts, that kind of thing, And it's when it's all coming from one
source. And I don't mean a godhead in the in the that way,
but all coming from one time ship of intelligence. And I mean because sometimes
you know, the unexplained phenomena is almost a meebeish in its behavior and how
it starts. Do you know, let's just jump to the poltergeist phenomena,
and people who have activity taking place will say in their home, any home
in the world. He doesn't always start with drama and sort of seeing movement
and things flying around. Usually it starts very subtle, you'll hear a noise
like a light switch clicking in a hallway, or you'll you'll hear something like
a small stone rattling on lamon at floor. I'm using examples of my own
here. But then it grows, and it's almost steve as though. As
our awareness grows to the the intelligence that is the poltergeist, the phenomena of
the poltergeist grow in, either in boldness or intelligence. I don't know how
it works. I don't know the mechanics of what's happening, but I know
that in some instances I wouldn't say all, but I would think the majority
in the Poultergeist type intelligence. It grows as our awareness grows with it.
I mean, I don't know if you've looked into the poltergeist at all.
I mean, yes, it fascinates me. Well it also I mean,
I think there may be something to people that are disturbed or focused on something
or have some kind of issues, and this is kind of a excess residue
of mental energy perhaps. But on the other hand, a lot of people
that saw the mothman creature or apparition in the middle sixties went home afterwards and
had an outbreak of Poultergeist phenomena. And we've both heard stories of people seeing
UFOs and close proximity that have also had outbreaks of poulter Geist phenomena. So
we wonder, how do we, you know, how do we tie these
things together, How do we explain how do we explain the poultrygeist phenomena as
a whole well exactly. And I don't profess to have the answers, but
you touched on their outbreaks of kind of mental concentration that you know, the
person who's seen the Mothman in the sixties suddenly it went after the sighting,
things of an unexplained nature start to happen more. It could that be that
after seeing such a thing, his perception of what can be and one what
cannot be is broken down and he is more open to the in his belief
system that anything is possible. Maybe it's just the firewall that is that we
present, that we sort of have instilled into us from birth. Maybe that
firewall is broken down and we're able to I don't know. I don't know
if we're able to access it or whether the unexplained, the intelligence that is
the unexplained, is able to influence us more because popular culture and the twentieth
century culture sort of shuns any notions. Science shuns notions that the UFOs could
be real. In many instances, that the cryptids could actually be something that's
gone undetected since from millennia. But unfortunately for science, and it must really
frustrate it. These things have stood the test of time and I reported time
and time again, and they don't have an handle on it. They've not
got an answer to what these things could be, no matter how much thought
and effort they throw at it. And it must be difficult because obviously everybody
wants, you know, academia wants to solve these enigmas with the use of
science, and they've not come to that yet. I mean, even now,
you know, with the congressional hearings and the release of new information and
this, I don't know how we ever going to get disclosure. I don't
think we are. But I'm where am I going with this? Even now
we've changed the terminology and we're calling them non human? Could that be because
the people actually realize that these things aren't extraterrestrial? Could that be the reason
that name has been changed or part of the reason because the staple explanation,
and sorry for're jumping about her people, but the staple explanation for somebody'd seen
some spectacular UFO to put these people down. But the powers that be academia
and science was these things couldn't possibly traverse the vast distances of space to get
here. Well, did anybody actually stop to say, they're already here?
These things are already here. I mean, they could be residing under the
oceans of the world, Steve. As we know, there's probably ninety to
ninety five percent of the oceans of the world that are uncharted. So that's
a vast area that nobody really knows a lot about. And I've coined a
phraseer Steve, I mean, and I loved saying it is, and I
call it the sub universe. The submersed universe could be where a lot of
this comes from, you know, and the strong possibility that there's a lot
of things beneath the oceans of the world, beneath the sub universe that are
just waiting to be discovered. Let me do my quickener omission here and we'll
get right back to it. Okay, you are listening to the highest strangeness
factor copywriter on the Paranorble UK radio network. Today, I'm talking to Paul
Sinclair, investigator and researcher in the UK about his book's Truth Proof The Truth
That Leaves No Proof. Paul, I want to tell you that I watched
Wolflands last night. I streamed it on Amazon US and people need to know.
You can stream it from Amazon US or Amazon UK and you can even
go to the website where you can buy Paul's books and order a hard copy.
And I've got to tell you, Paul, I was just blown away.
It is. It is so well done. It had extremely high production
values, the editing, the music, the pacing. I love the way
you put together the documentary and you kind of you focused on different people,
different witnesses, very credible people, and you kind of go back and forth
with the with the purpose of showing the patterns and the connections between these people
and their reports. Well, thank you. And I need to say now,
people I haven't paid Steve to say that, Yes, ladies and gentlemen,
pursue it, stream it by it. It is absolutely and it's chilling
too. I mean, it's just a straightforward documentary, but it's like watching
a suspenseful horror movie. I'm so pleased you've said that, and I'm gonna
be biased people, but I think it's I personally think that wolf Lands is
the certainly the best documentary of it's kind to come out of the UK.
But I think it can compete with anything in the genre. And what we've
got are first had witnesses and we've not just got like the usual documentary just
one or two people sat talking in a in a cafe over a coffee and
then going back to some reconstruction. I've been into the forests in many instances
with these witnesses everybody. I've written everything in the documentary. My daughter and
a guy called Mick Park have produced the music, and like, you do
you mind if I just talk about that for a moment too, oh please?
And just one not on the music. I am a huge fan of
film, documentary and television composition music, and I'm very appreciative of various composers
and they have done such a superb job. It's incredible and we were so
fortunate. I've got one of my daughters with four Girls, is an opera
singer, so she's done the harmonies, and her husband also with they have
a small music studio, and I was so lucky. Whilst making writing the
books, I was contacted by a guy called Mick Park and he just told
me he loved what I was doing. He was interested in it. And
when I got to know Mick, it turns out mixed a music producer who's
worked with some of the top artists in the world such as You Too,
and you Ruby Turner, and there's a lot on the list, and he
said he'd like to help us produce the music for wolf Land. So he
teamed up with my daughter doing the harmonies, and they've produced this amazing piece
of music that is bespoke for the film and all the writing for it I've
done, and yeah, I'm proud of it, and I guess it shines
through with what I'm saying to you guys. So I don't want to I
don't want to labor and brag too more people. But if you, even
if you don't watch it, read the reviews that that kind of tells you
all you need to know. I mean, and people like Martin Groves.
You've spoken to Martin Groves, I would think Steve and uh and other you
followed upologists and Cryptid researchers, Josh Turner and other people. They've watched wolf
Lands and been blown away by it. So it really you know you've done
your job if the if the key cryptid researchers and experiences are impressed by what
we're doing. But I do you want me to tell you any accounts from
within the documentary? Yes? Yes, really what we their appetite and get
them energized to to watch it or purchase it. Well, one of them
that fascinates me is and most of them are were Wolfstoke dog Man related.
But with with there's light form phenomena associated with it as well, and there's
also there's some there's a human aspect where the people were found in unfortunate circumstances
in a place called Dolby Forest. I'll not go into too much detail about
that. They'll let the film do the talking. But there's a forest in
the UK about twenty five miles twenty twenty five miles from where I'm sat now
called Broxa Forest, which is a fascinating name. It's an unusual name.
It's not an English name. I think it's Portuguese and Broxa in some cultures
A Broxer is a shape shifting demon. So that's fascinating that something took place
in a forest called Broxa and it's on the edge of what's called the Forge
Valley. So I just I just find these names and these connotations. And
it's near the place called Hacknes, which in ancient times was called Hachanos,
which means with the whiskers, which is another strange connotation. But let me
jump into the Broxa sighting. Three guys, Jimmy, Steve and the one
i'll call witness number three who hasn't gone on film, decide. Jimmy decided
to find a location for him and his two friends to go wild camping,
something that they did two or three times a year. They do a bit
of fishing, bit of camping, not interested in unexplained phenomena in any way,
shape or form, and they've done it for years. These men live
in close proximity to each other in a place called Rotherham, and they traveled
to Broxa Forest, which would be about one hundred and forty miles away on
this weekend. And where we're talking about. It's in a deep ravine.
The ravine is you can go down the ravine. You don't need ropes,
but it's very, very steep, and it's seven to eight hundred foot into
the bottom of this ravine and there's a river running through it called the River
dare Went. And as they're going into the ravine, he said, it's
getting quite late and we've never been before, and you know, it's getting
dark. We're setting up camp. We've just got camp set up as night
folded in, and it took us a long long time to get down with
us camping gear and everything. And Witness number three, when he got down
into the bottom of the ravine, said, I don't like it. We've
got to leave. I don't feel comfortable. And Jim and Steve looked at
each other and then they looked at Witness number three. I'm sorry for calling
him that, people, but that's what I'm doing because I just don't want
to reveal his name. And they thought, what's the matter. Weihim,
he's not normally like this, and he's really really uptight and agitated. So
he said, we're lit a fire, small fire, got a little bit
of food on the go, and just settled down, got the hammocks up
and the you know, the taps sort of set up and settled down for
the night. But Witness number three is Adam, and we need to leave.
He said. It were dark. He said, it were really hard
to get down into the ravine in some places. He says, we'd come
down on as bottoms on his backsides because it was so steep, he said.
And I couldn't negotiate leaving this ravine in the night. He said,
we probably wouldn't even find path to get back to the car because they parted
it on a logging road. So they resigned to stop in the night.
And they told him he'd got to stop the night, you know. And
despite his agitation, he said, and sometimes I don't know between I don't
know half eleven and a half twelve. Witness number three saw this first.
He said, look look over there, and he says, and a huge
pair of amber eyes that litten up in the lit up in the darkness,
self illuminating. Now. He said they looked human in shape. But Jim
said, I couldn't think of an animal. And this is his exact words
to assign those eyes to. And he held his fist out and put his
hands, you know, the wid the part of these eyes. He said,
I just couldn't work it out, he said. There were only about
three foot off the ground. These eyes. He said, this guy who's
with THEMS getting more and more frightened, more and more agitated, he says,
and we're trying to calm him. Steve said, we're trying to calm
him. And we can see these eyes. But were I know how far
away they were? Steve? They were forty two feet because I went into
the forest with a surveyor's tape and in daylight, and we found their camp
and we measured it to where this thing was. So they were forty two
feet away, he said. And we can see these eyes, and I
just can't work it out. But we're worried he's going to run off into
the darkness. And is it middle of nowhere? There's no habitation, there's
nothing said. So in the end, Jim said, I stood up and
I took two or three steps towards these eyes, and I made a few
hissing and she shewing sounds and waved my arms about, he said, and
the eyes disappeared. So I thought, oh, thank good for that.
That's going to be end of that. And I turned round and the firelight,
he said, and I could see Steve and witness number three's expression,
and the jaws have dropped and they look horrified, he said. And I
turned back, and I'm actually saying it as these guys have said it,
he said. And I just thought, oh my god, he said,
because from these eyes that I'd seen three foot off the ground in the undergrowth,
the bracken and what have you, he said, I can now see
the full form from the waist up of something. He said. I don't
think there was a full moon, but there was enough light to highlight something
with huge shoulders, arms, and monstrous head with ears that looked ridiculous.
He said. If you'd have asked me to draw a werewolf, I would
not have drawn that. Its ears looked too big, they were stuck upright
with tufts of fur on them. He said. We can't believe what we're
looking at. We're all terrified, and we're clinging onto number three because we
think he's gonna run away, and it's horrific to look at. And Steve
said, we're just froze to the spot and this thing's just there staring at
us with these illuminating eyes. He said. We thought it was growling,
but after a while we realized it was its breathing, which leads us to
what you touched on earlier. Steve that these things, when they are infiltrating
our environment, they there is a physical presence to them. And he said
every so often. And we jump to Steve now he said this thing,
this thing would turn I think, he said, to its right, he
said, and you could see its muzzle and everything. And once it was
Steve that said, if you'd have asked me to draw this thing and said
I wouldn't, he says, it would ridiculous. It stuck out like wily
coyote. He said, it would just it were Yeah, he said,
it were ridiculous, he says, And the size of it. And when
Jim schwed it away and turned round and they saw it stand up, Steve
said, it just there were no movement, jerkiness. When it stood up,
he said, he said, if you've got two ping pong balls and
put them in tubes of water and slowly filled them, it just rose like
a machine. But the size of it was overwhelming. He said. It
was just I'd never seen anything as big. In the end, and it's
staring at them, not making any sound, occasionally turning. I think I'm
sure, he said to the right, let me just stand there yet,
and he said in the end, he said, I just wanted it to
end, and he meant he wanted it to end him. He says,
it was so frightening to look at I daren't look at it yet. I
could still in my peripheral see the glowing eyes, and I wanted it to
be over. I needed it to end. And the night passed and this
thing still stared at them. And this is what's fascinating. They've no recollection
of how long they looked at it, or how long it was there.
Jim seems to think it were there a few hours, but acknowledge us that
he didn't realize it had gone till first light. Steve said it left at
first light, but they never saw it go. When they realized it had
gone, all three of them hastily packed up their kit. Now here's the
other bit that's interesting. Witness number three said it's still here, and it
was saying it's still watching us, and they traveled a fair distance up this
ravine when witness number three said it's gone. Now we're okay. Now it's
gone. So ah, one more thing I need to draw back, and
we never touched on this in the documentary. I'm pretty sure we didn't,
but there was some communication with number three, without a doubt, because at
one point during this encounter, Number three said to Jim, and these lads
are broad Yorkshire, so for your American audience, you can hear me talking
in this Yorkshire dialect flang. He turned to Jim and when it doesn't want
the the don't want the a gym, it wants the to go. And
then he looked at Steve and he said, and these Steve, it don't
want your ear. It wants you to go, which implies to me and
these the lads had never asked him. They've not asked him that it was
communicating with him, or how would he have known it wanted them to go?
You know, he didn't say we've got to go. He said them
two have got to go. It seems like he was the catalyst, uh,
to the sighting to the encounter. So that's that's the BRONXA one and
any views on that Steve before we well, you can you can when when
you these people are recounting their experiences, you can you can see their fear
as they recount the specific experience they had, and there's something about in the
same thing in the US, the dog man encounters. There's sort of an
evil, sort of a very negative vibe with these things that always with a
big foot encounter. The uh. The Bucks County paranormal group from Pennsylvania spent
a night on Lee Hample's farm. Lee Hample is as a farm just a
stone's throw from Bray Road near Elkhorn where these things have been seen. He
was a he is a mathematician and chemist, and when he was told that
these things were around his property, he was scoffing. But then he saw
it himself a couple of times and very interesting. He had missing time what
the first time he saw this thing? So you you talked about this sort
of possible time distortion with these three men, and maybe there's something similar going
on there. Yeah, And he further throws the sightings into the into what
the true paranormal realm, the missing time and the threads of threads, the
different the threads of similarity that run through all aspects, the full spend,
some of the unexplained steves as you will have found out, and the missing
time with the alien type scenario, the missing time connotations with the dog Man
stroke wherewolf type encounters the missing time with the light form scenario. I received
a report a few days well, yeah, not long ago, to be
honest with you, from a lady who lived in the village of Hunmanby,
farmstead of the Houndman and just temporarily jump if I may jump away from the
crypt and tell you this one. It's a small village in North Yorkshire.
I'm in East Yorkshire and we just slip across the border to North Yorkshire,
to Hunmanby. And she is an historic sighting, but if it's never been
heard before, it's just as relevant. And she goes back to twenty and
eleven, I think. She said her son was about ten or eleven years
old, and they were driving along the back road into Hunmanby and there's a
small island. They have to come down a hill and they approach a small
island. There won't have been many much traffic on the road. It's a
very quiet road nighttime, quite unlit, she said. And as we're approaching
the island, she said, there's myself, my sister and my young son
in the car. Sisters sat in the back of the car. She did
actually say there were four people in the car, but she didn't allure to
who the fourth one was. So I'm assuming sister and son are sat in
the back of the car because and I'll get to that in a moment,
she said. And as we approached this roundabout this little grass island, I
can see coming towards us from the coast, and the sea would be about
three miles away, a huge black triangle, perhaps monstrous in size. And
I can see a light on each corner, or each point, should we
say, said, And I stopped the car to watch it. There's no
traffic on the road. And my sister put the window down, and she
sat out onto the rim of the door with the window down, and looked
up in the sky as this thing approached, and she said, it had
a dome on the top, that's how low it was. She could see
a dome on the top of the triangle. When it got over the top
of them, it stopped momentarily. Then it sped off, she said,
at speed, and was instantly gone. It becomes strange now, because she
said, the next thing that we remember, I'm at the junction and I'm
at the White Swan Pub. Now there's a strange little village, hum and
I don't know how it can contain or how have three pubs in the village,
a fish and chip shop, a Chinese restaurant, a small supermarket.
And it's a tiny village, it has everything. So anyway, she said,
I'm at the junction of the White Swan Pub. Now I know this
road, and I would think when you leave that round about, you could
be at that pub in three minutes. She estimates that they lost thirty minutes
of time at least. She said, I kind of came too, as
two people passed the front of the car and I almost pulled out in front
of them. But I have no memory of doing that journey, and I
don't know how we'd lost thirty minutes. And suddenly, as she came to
her young son began screaming his head off in the back of the car.
We'll say the back of the car. Genuinely don't know, but I think
it was the back of the car screaming in his head off. Take me
home, Take me home, she said. And now this is twenty eleven,
it's twenty twenty three. Still won't talk about it. She believes he
knows a little bit more than they know. I've not asked her to work
on him and try and get any information. I believe that these things people
should be if they're going to tell you, they will tell you, you
know, with their own free will. I don't want to force anybody or
get any information out of them, as much as I might want to know
what happened. So she said, we drove home totally confused. We knew
we'd seen the triangle, but everything there's a gap, and I call it
the time between the time. There's a gap from seeing this thing stop momentarily
speed off to arriving at the White Swan Pub. She said. We dropped
my son off at home and then we went back out into the onto the
road into the direction where we saw it, she said. We got to
Walled Newton, so once again, people google these areas. You'll see that
it's pretty barren, she said. And we could see a huge cluster of
lights in a field, and as much as we tried, we couldn't get
to the field. We could, you know, they could see it,
but we were never close to it, she said. And we've then we
rounded a corner and suddenly we saw a huge owl, big white owl that
yeah, yeah, we'd never seen an owl as big before, and we
momentarily took our eyes off everything. Well, we were approaching a corner and
the owl appeared to look at the owl, and when we rounded the corner,
the lights had gone and that was the end of the sighting. But
it's interesting that they saw the owl. There's lots of there's lots of reports
of people seeing owls in association with seeing UFOs and other types of unexplained phenomena.
Steve As you know, you know, I'm not telling you or your
listeners anything that most people won't be aware of. It's sometimes even something crazy
like a large rabbit, and at the time you're not really questioning how bizarre
it all is. That's that's correct, you know. And a large rabbit,
yeah, you know, years ago looking I lived in a little village
called Old Deneby and only child, three bedroom council property and it looked onto
fields and marshland. My bedroom the back bedroom, and many many things happened
there of a I would consider an alien type interaction. That's why I wrote
the book The Night People. But I've got a I've got a recollection of
seeing it flooded. If there had been heavy rains this marshland, it would
flood that flood the land and I can remember looking down the fields onto this
flowd that area and seeing looked like what looked like metallic pencil over the water
on the edge of the water as well. There's no movement in this water,
it's static. It was the banks of the River Don. They would
burst when you'd got eavy rain and they would flood over, spill over into
this this area of marshland. Well, I suppose that's why it was marshland.
And I can remember seeing people or I don't know whether there were beings.
I have no urge to say I saw aliens, but it looked so
bizarre because they were there. We was this metallic what looked like a pencil
from where I were looking over the top of the water, not floating it
on. They were there, and there were two or three beings or people.
But when it became strange for me, because I've got this memory,
I can see them, but there suddenly then I saw a huge owl and
it were almost in me face, which is impossible, and it just rose
up. Yeah, and I would see it. And I can remember going
to my grand's house at a place called Adwick on Dern after this had happened.
Because I don't think I shared any of this with my parents. I
want to share it with my dad because he wore a I'm load, it's
past now and I'm load to say too much bad about him. But he
liked to use his hands. He wouldn't negotiate anything. If I'd been naughty,
I didn't, I didn't get talked to, I got smacked. So
I wouldn't share any of this with him. But I remember going to my
hands and she had the Observer Book of British Birds, and I'm looking through
this book and the only bird that I could see that it resembled, and
obviously you're only looking at the pages of the book, and this thing looked
huge. It just seemed to appear was a snowy owl and these big yellow
orange eyes looking at me. And I don't know what the connection there was,
Steve, You know, it's a strange one of seeing this pencil type
object over the flooded water, and then people just an odd memory, and
people consists of cameos of events throughout childhood that I'd seen, seen and experienced,
and there were lots of them. And I've tried not to expand on
them and fill the gaps in of what I think might have happened between and
what might have happened afterwards. And you know, it's difficult in it because
I think a lot of us. I don't think I'm unique. I think
a lot of people carry memories of strangeness, and the ones who aren't interested
in the unexplained, they kind of shelve it. And it's a painful thing
to think about. And then you've got the actual true skeptically minded person to
the point of being a debunker, who has an experience and they won't admit
it. They won't admit what they've seen and experienced because it shatters the dreams
of what they truly want to believe. And that's sad in some ways.
And I know people do do a full three sixty, but in some instances
they never will. Sorry to jump about there, Steve, Oh, oh,
that's perfect. You mentioned Night People, which is sort of autobiographical.
So let's let's talk about your books a little bit and where people can get
them and warn them to kind of steer away from Amazon US and Amazon UK
because there are a lot of third party pirates there putting very high prices on
your books. But without a doubt, it amazes me anybody who yeah on
Amazon that are books for sale of mine, you know, the Truth Proof
one to four and people are selling these books in the UK one to two
hundred pounds one to two to three hundred dollars in the US, which is
ridiculous. I took the books off Amazon, I don't know, two or
three years ago, and we've got the Truthproof Dot UK website and the paperbacks
can be obtained through the website and the reasonably priced. You can also look
at the kindles via Amazon, you know, the digital download and obviously we've
got the Wolflands DVD d sorry, the Wolflans documentary on Amazon Prime or it
can be obtained through the website, you know. And yeah, it's difficult
when you see I've heard other people other people have written books sort of get
really upset and uptight because their books are commanding hundreds of dollars on these other
platforms such as Amazon, and it's not them that's selling them. So there
are other ways to get my books and visit the website and if even if
you don't want to read the books, go on to Amazon and read the
reviews. You know. That's that's what I say to people, because there's
a lot of people written stuff, and they'll come on a podcast we do
the Truth Proof live stream, and they'll you know, promote a book.
But not in all instances. In most instances the books are excellent, but
I kind of encourage people to read the reviews and you get an idea of
what somebody is produced. They are excellent, and I'm telling people you need
to dive into these books. I mean, they're well written, and sometimes
Paul, it feels like I'm right there with you and your colleagues by the
cliffs, looking at the strange lights over the sea. And also I want
to say, uh, I think on the Amazon US website, I don't
think they show uh truth Truth for and Night People available in a u A
in a hard copy. And I was thrilled to see that I could get
those from your website, so because I'd love to have a hard copy in
my hand and I can dog hear the pages and make notes in the margins
and so forth. Yeah, I would actually surprised, and I knew it.
I couldn't have been coincidence to be honest, Steve that because I know,
I know you've looked at the books via kindlm what have you, that
you'd ordered the books and they're on the way to you. The the actual
odd copies and the signed and the scent signed and tracked the ver appreciate it
and the appreciations from me because it's great to have the support. Thank you,
appreciate it. I'm halfway through number three right now, and uh so
I've had I've had the books for quite a while, but I often get
sidetracked with so many books, so I'm always bouncing around. UH one other
thing about uh Lee Hample's property and and your experiences with the flicks and Werewolf
in other places. Uh Lee Hample has uh set up trap cameras and he
has all kinds of photographs. It seems like there's some kind of technology going
on in the background, not just strange lights in conjunction with these uh these
creatures, and and there's something that seems to interfere with the uh the you
know, photographing the activities of these beasts. The cameras will fail at certain
parts, and there's also situations where footprints will peer up here in the middle
of nowhere, go along for a while in the snow, say, and
then disappear? Is now? I know there's a lot of strange light phenomena
in conjunction, at least in the same areas that these creatures are saying.
But are there any other other parallels there that you can think of? Yeah,
I mean we've we've used trail cams with little to no success. I've
got to admit I spend an awful amount of money on cameras, more than
my wife likes me to spend. If I'm being sure, we use we
you know, and we'll get to some of that in a moment if you
if we've still got a little bit of time. You know, emf meters,
trifield meters, Geiger counters, thermal cameras and very expensive thermal camera that
I take out with me. Have we had any luck? It's strange because
we've used trifield meters and themf meters for years, mainly to break the monotony
of setting a camera up on the cliff tops, covering it with some material
so that the damp pair doesn't penetrate it, and standing there for hours in
what's relatively a boring conditions. We take trifield meters with US and EMF meters
thermometers because there's temperature fluctuations in the area where you can note you can step
ten foot to one side and suddenly it's warmer. But we'd had no success
with the AMF meters, and then one all the trifield meters, and then
it started. Don't ask me why there's nothing there of an electrical nature on
these cliff tops. And in twenty twenty one, Mick Park who I've just
been talking about, was helped with the music for or produced the music for
wolf Lands, came to the area with his wife and they rented a cottage
and on an evening myself and make up into the early hours went onto the
cliff tops of Benton, Flamberer and Speed And and I was talking to him
and a few things sort of came out or on about we'd had some incredible
readings with a Geiger counter where the animal mutilations were taking place through twenty seventeen
to twenty nineteen, and in the in some of the areas where these animals,
unfortunate animals were found, we got incredible readings with the Geiger counter.
But that's not what I'm on about at this moment. As I said,
I've got an EMF meter in my bag. He said, I said,
put it on. He said, let's let's let's see what happens while we're
walking along these cliff tops in between about eleven thirty and twelve thirty at night.
So put this one on. It's got a visual display that just flashes
lights that go into the red. There's other ones with little meters on them.
I've I've got about five of them, and I've got this one in
my bag and we don't ask it questions as in, you know, is
there are there any is anybody near us right now? Or the typical kind
of spirit type questions. And this thing's on green and I think we're walking
along the cliff tops and there's nothing happening. And I said something like,
you know, if there's anything around us now, in any intelligence around us
now, could you put some energy into the the MF meter and make that
make it move, make the lights move. At three seconds, this thing
just kind of redlined, and wow, it's never done it before. And
we've gone up there for years, myself, Bob Brown, a group of
people. I mean, there'll be a group of people up there tonight when
I go, we'll be up there till late. And I don't know that
my wife likes that, so she can watch TV and just sort of sit
with little dog eating sweets. Oh it's sorry for didressing there. But so
anyway, we as our enthusiasm grew because we almost sent like we've got a
reaction. I said, could you do that again? Please? Three or
four said bosh, it's done it again. So mix as, I'm going
to film this, and he got his phone out and need to stress here
people that we have tested this. If you put an iPhone or an Android
phone within two or three inches of the of the meter, you'll get a
reaction. It's about eight foot away and I'm walking down the cliffs and we've
got it on film. So if you want to go to the truth Proof
YouTube channel, you can see these off the cuff EMF filming that Mick Park
did that night. It's on there. I don't know what it's called,
but it'll be some use the lettering of EMF startling EMF results or something like
that. And we get to where we're about thirty foot away from where two
military guys on February the seventh, twenty nineteen, claimed to have seen a
cryptid type creature February the seventh, twenty nineteen, and it's this thing's reacting
as soon as I opened my mouth. Mix said, it's almost reading your
mind. And he's filming and it did it. And he goes, where
are we now, Paul, And I'll talk you through basically what he said,
And I said, we're very close to where the military guys had their
experience in twenty nineteen, about thirty foot away. And I walked through the
gates and it just sort of flashes round and it's red lined. There's nothing
there people. You've got the North Sea. We're on the edge of a
two to three hundred foot sheer dropped to the North Sea, and we've got
farmland to the right. There's no habitation, there's no lighting, there's no
cables, there's nothing to make this happen. And he said, did you
get that on film, Mick? And he went no, because I've got
me back to him. So I turned to Mick. He says, ask
it, ask it some questions, Paul, and I'd literally hold it there
and he's got the film on me and it's lit up he's got a torch
there. I said, could you give us a burst of energy? Please?
Two to three seconds? It just red lines and it stays there.
So I'm not one of these people talking to you now, Steve, who's
saying this and you can't find it. It's on the YouTube channel, this
bit of footage. I said, can you stop please? And it stops
and I hold my hand to my chin with the MF meter in the other
hand held out and it's off and I go worse to that effect. It
might not be the exact ways. Can you do that again? Please?
Bosh? It does it again, and it's doing it and I just say
thank you. And we've been getting results. What they mean, Steve,
I don't know, but we've been getting results like that now since twenty nineteen,
and I don't mean every night. And the strange thing you touched on
earlier, the guy, did you say, the farmer who didn't actually believe
that this cryptid existed? Since seen it? Yeah, The strange thing is
the people that we're taking out there with us to hopefully they can experience some
type of phenomena. They're the ones that have been almost been shown because it's
reacting to new people. It's weird, it's strange, or I wouldn't said
disbelievers, but new people such as Lee Heywood when we drove and he wanted
to see the light forms to explain what they were, and he gets to
see them, and he's now changed these mindsets completely as to what it is
we're dealing with. And I would imagine the farmer. I don't know if
you know this guy, but who Yes, I've been to his farm and
he gives presentations for a couple hours. He's over the last ten years he's
taken thousands of photographs of strange anomalies, light anomalies, and even he's had
deer kills on his road nearby. He'll pull the carcass off and leave it
there, aim a camera on it, and after a while you'll see a
mist farm. You can tell by the time stamp the time is moving.
And then later on the carcass has vanished and there's no drag marks or footprints.
And this has happened at least a dozen times. Do you know there's
so many similarities. And just before I've jumped to a similarity, am I
right in thinking? Originally this guy was not really on board with believing that
this was real. No. No, some of his neighbors said, you
know, there's a whrewolf that lives in those woods back there, and he's
looking at him like there must be crazy. And then there was that night
he saw it, and then later on he realized he was missing an hour
of time. It's crazy, is that. It's almost as though he's being
given verification for some well not for some reason. Well, I don't suppose
we'll ever understand the mechanics of this exotic science that's working amongst people. But
I stay stare with you your train of thought here. But after you're done,
there's one more story I want you to tell before we kind of wrap
it up and you tell everybody where to contact you. But please go ahead.
Yeah, where am I going with this? Yeah? Back in twenty
seventeen, myself and my wife went to a place called danes Dyke, which
is a neolithic earthwork close to our home. And there's a guy who used
to live in danes Dyke. He'd lived there for thirteen years called Peter.
Lovely guy lived in a tent in the dyke, all weather conditions and we
used to take him food. It was new Year's Day. We took him
some food and he told us, as we've just missed the police, and
we asked him why, and he said, well, they came to ask
me if i'd seen anything unusually, he said, in particular very strange looking
dog, which is interesting in nature of what we're talking about, he said,
And he said, they told me that some sheep had been killed in
the area. So I did a bit of digging, located the farm,
spoke to the farmer and asked him if he would allow me to help him
look into what was killing the sheep, nothing to do with unexplained phenomena,
and he said I could, and I've got permission to go on the land.
Then at four thirty am and I were doing that three or four days
a week, and I were finding these unfortunate animals, just like you were
talking about the deer. And it wasn't just sheep that were being killed,
and there were lambs in the field as well, but it were only taking
the fully grown news and it wasn't using anything out from these animals to feed
on. The faces were stripped of skin in many instances, the ears were
removed the front left leg for some reason, and that was what I was
finding, and that's what the farmer had found before I got involved. We
were also finding row deer in a similar condition, badger and fox. And
what made what I were at a loss what to I just couldn't understand it
at all, I'll be honest, and I'm on those fields with the thermal
camera in the stupid o clock in the darkness. One of the reasons was
the local farmers told him that it were the crows that were taking the eyes.
Well, I wanted to get to these carcasses before daylight, before the
crows could get to them. And it was nothing to do with crows.
These were in between seventy and ninety kilow ewes and when he were finding them,
the eyes had gone on both sides, you know, the side that
were facing the ground as well. So where am I going with this?
One morning I got there and I'd spoken to him a few days before and
it'd said, he said, when he were on the field last, he
said, one of the lambs, not fully grown new this time, but
as big as a labrador dog. And he said, will say forty kilo,
fifty kilo. He said it had disappeared and it was number thirty five.
They all had a number sprayed on the side of them. I'd probably
do in the United States. I don't know, but any he said this
one had gone missing. He's got two dogs, he says. I'd done
a full search of the field and even looked into the little bit of woodland
at the side. There's nothing there. He said. A fox must have
taken it, or it's escaped. He says, but I don't know how
because it's all fenced, and you know, I spent years up there and
I didn't find any animals in the actual woodland escaping. So that was that.
He told me two days before he'd lost this one. And I was
there two days later and I get onto the so I knew two days before
he'd lost one. So I get there, I do a full grid search
of the fields and I'm quite methodical, and it's split into two and there's
a big five bar gateing them up, and you sort of unlatched this gate
and I'm looking up the field. There's nothing there. The sheep knew me.
You know, I got so much respect and kind of love for these
sheep because from first getting involved with this farmer and the sheep, first getting
to know me and running off sometimes or four hundred on field and you'd see
a flock of four hundred sheep just doing a runner because I've arrived with my
little dog. Incidentally, my dog couldn't fight its way out of a paper
bag. That you know. It's just a little just as companion. It's
my wife's dog. But from that scenario I got way over the period of
between twenty sorry, twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen, I could just walk amongst
them, you know, and they were fine with me. They were as
good as gold. So anyway, this sheep weren't there. This lamb I
did the search of the woodland, came off and off the fields, and
I just turned to shut the gate and I looked and I could see it
laid in the grass. It weren't there when I arrived. I just couldn't
believe it. So I walked over to it. And it's not long grass.
Sheep meant tend to make sure that the grass don't get very long.
And it don't look bloated. It's got its eyes removed, its ears are
removed front left leg. I touched it. I lay my hand on it.
It's cold, it's clap cold. But it's not it's not bloated.
I rang the farmer. I said, I've just found number thirty five.
He says, you can't have. I said I have. It's laid here
in the field. And he still weren't looking for the unexplained. He said
this thing. He said, the fox must have brought it back. I
said, well, if it has, it hasn't eaten it. And so
that's another strange one to add to the animal mutilations that were taking place.
So jumping to it, then, Steve, what did you want to ask
me? Apologies? Well, the what I wanted you to do the finish
up with the story that you told in Truth Truth number one about the strange
man that you and your wife encountered one day, had the bicycle and the
even stranger thing. He said to you, Oh gosh, yeah, that's
I'm sat here in Bridlington, in my home at Bridlington and at the bottom
of our street it fans out quite wide and it runs onto Landsdown Road.
And I'm still useless with phones. And I used to get my daughter's cast
off phones, one or one of the girls, and she'd given me this
phone. They've got a new one and I had to take it round to
this shop to get it unlocked. And this particular day, we left our
house and very cold day, very cold, but sunny, and as we're
walking down the street, the man started shouting, but he was shouting at
me, and I didn't take in what he was saying at first. And
he's got his shirt off, he's got I think he'd got jeans on.
And at the side of him there's a bike leant against the wall, a
green bike, a treatle tin green, like a dark green color, British
racing green, with a little leather bag on back of it. And he's
a bald head, this guy. And when I drove up a bit closer
and his on the other side of the road, he starts shouting, and
I thought they were talking about the sunlight. You're bringing down the lights.
You know what you're doing. You're causing trouble, you're bringing down the light.
And I just went, oh, yeah, yeah, enjoy the sunshine,
mate, We've not got many more days of warmth. Winter's nearly upon
us. There's kind of words to that effect. And he's still shouting,
and I left him and we walked towards this shop which would be about up
the road and you'd take a left and it'd be about, I don't know,
ten minutes away. I said to Mary, I said that was strange.
I said, he were odd, and he looked odd. He looked
odd because he'd got all the attributes of somebody who were very fit, but
yet his body looked like an action man actually in texture and everything looks He
looked like spam. You know that. He just didn't look right. Yeah,
everything had got deltoid. You could see everything that was in place,
but it just didn't look right. So anyway, it must have played on
my mind because we left thee and the guy said come back at dinner time
or whatever, and you know it'll be ready for you or in an hour,
I can't remember. And I even considered walking back other way, because
it's like on an horse show, you could have gone all the way around.
Brad didn't, and we walk him back, and before I got to
the corner of our road he were there. He'd got his back to us,
but I knew it were him, And now he'd put on a tight
fitting dark brown jumper, but still got the bald head. And I went
to Mary, I said, oh my god, that blokes there and I've
got to pass him. So as before I even got to him, he
turned round, and now I knew what he was saying, and he goes,
You're causing a lot of trouble. You've got to stop. You're bringing
down the light. I said, you know what he said, you know
what you're doing. You're bringing down the light, and lots of words to
that effect. Now you know, I'm not the most articulate placed person in
the world, but I can hold my own in a conversation and even in
an argument. But I couldn't beat this guy to the pun with the words
I mean. And he kept saying things to me, and I kept answering
him, and I don't know why I stood there and I kept answering him,
and every time I answered him, he talked in riddles, and I
don't know. It was so difficult, and it all got back to our
bringing down the light. I knew what I was doing. I was causing
big trouble. And in the end he reached out. And because I'm stood
facing him and and I'm on his short I'm only five foot six, this
guy would have been about five eight five nine in a jumper. He looked
very muscular, and like I said before, looking at him over the road,
you know, he just he looked like you were made of plaster.
Scene it odd, and he'd got a bald head, and he'd got full
wrap around sunglasses on, so I couldn't see his eyes. And Mary's just
stood to the left of me, and he reached out and touched my wife
on the shoulder. And it were one of them moments. I mean,
I'm sixty one now, and I don't know what year this happened. Something
tells me. It'll say it in the book, but it must have been
about twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. And I looked at him, and I've
all been a little bit short tempered, but as you get older, you
have to bite your tongue a little bit, don't you. But it were
one of them moments where, honestly, I'm not It's not some kind of
matcho thing, but I won't. If I've got something to say, I'll
say it regardless of the consequences for whoever I say it to, or or
myself. And I would just about to grab his hand and hit him.
I'll be honest with you, or something like that, and I moved his
hand away and he went, I'm not talking to her. He just touched
on shoulder. When I'm not talking to her, I'm talking to you.
You know what you're doing. You must stop. You're bringing down the light.
And I said, I can't stand any more of this. I'm going
I've had enough of you. And I walked and if still shouting me and
still saying this yes, And I don't know it were a few weeks later.
Oh, I need to draw back, because it's ages since I've sort
of retold this story. Steve's apologies. I did ask him where he was
from, and he said the location, and when we got him, me
and my wife couldn't remember where it was. My wife also noted because she
was looking across the road as we stood in the three people, and she
said his bike had no brakes on it, no breaks at all on the
handlebars, and he rode. A few weeks later or sometime later, there's
a newsflash and a man has vanished at Bempton, disappeared off the planet.
He's never been found since. And it wasn't this man by the way people,
but it said where he was from, and he was from a place
in North Yorkshire called Rickle and soon as they said Rittle, me and Mary
went, that's where that guy said he was from Rittle. And so I
don't know whether there's a connection to him saying that and bringing down the light.
I really don't know. And a few days after seeing him, I
walked out again and I'm almost in town and the barber at the bottom of
the street, who still remembers this to this very day, come out and
he said, that guy, we're waiting for you. I says, what
do you mean. He says, well, we've been looking at him,
me and a couple of customers in the shop, thinking what is that man
doing stood with no shirt on in this weather because even though it was sunny,
it was very cold. I think I November time. And he said,
and he's looking at your house. And as you come out he engaged.
He said he were waiting for you. And in fact, we're actually
gonna reenact this and we're gonna do it in another future documentary. Yeah,
and John, John, the barber, google this place, people, it's
still there on Lansdowne Road. John is gonna tell what he observed and what
he saw. Another interesting bit, just to add on to this one,
Steve, and I'm not sure if I wrote it in the book, but
there's a pub near near Speeton and Bempton called the Honeypot and their son the
landlord's son. They're no longer there now, and I'll not say the names,
but they had to get the police because around the same time that this
bringing down the light guy were talking to me, and he didn't say anything
about aliens or UFOs. He just kept telling me I'm bringing down the light
and I was causing trouble. But about the same time they had to get
the police because a man stopped this young boy would have been about fourteen fifteen
and told him that he, you know, he needed to be safe and
that the aliens were coming and they're watching us and they're in the skies around
Bempton and lots of sort of freaky things that frightened this young boy and his
family. Whether that were the same person, I don't know. I'm not
even you. It's that long since I wrote truth Proof one. I'm not
even sure if I included that in the book, Steve, if I'm being
truthful, but that's about the gist of the strange guy who told me I
was bringing down the light. Well, isn't it ironic that you have been
bringing down the light with your research and your books, and you've been making
a lot of people uncomfortable, sometimes the common man that just doesn't want to
deal with these things, and certainly official doom. Sometimes I think you've stepped
down a few toes now and then, yeah, it's not gone well for
me. In some instances we've kind of had the frightened has put on us.
And I don't think I'm I don't know what I'm doing because I don't
think I'm privy to any earth shattering, smoking gun information. Maybe maybe your
job, Steve, maybe my job, some of your listeners, is just
to open people's mind up, not to the possibility. I think we've gone
past the possibility, to the truth of what is presenting in the skies,
on the ground, in the world around us, the true nature of the
intelligence that is the unexplained phenomena. And remember the word the sub universe.
And ladies and gentlemen, you've heard what a great guest and how interesting Paul
Sinclair is. Please pursue his books and his documentary. Paul tell us all
about how to get all that again? And how to contact you and how
to hear you. Yeah, without a doubt. We do a live stream
most Thursdays, seven pm UK time. We run for approximately two hours.
We've had some great, absolutely fabulous guests on, including the person I'm speaking
to now, and I have no fear in saying that I would love to
have you back on the live stream. It was a lot of fun.
Yeah, absolutely great, And to be honest, Steve, it sounds like
we're patting each other on the back people, but it made made my job
easy because I didn't have to think and much to say, well, well
that's same for me and everything, you know, just just a fast beating
hour. But please our our plus actually, but please go ahead. Yes,
So we do the live stream, the Truthproof livestream every Thursday. There's
lots of other information on there. We've got the truthproof dot UK website.
There's lots of UFO reports on there, a lot from around my area that
are unique to this website. I don't mind people taking them off the website
and putting using them. If you do that, please give us credit,
you know, because you'll not find them anywhere else in the world, some
of these reports. So that's all we ask the books as we touched on
earlier. The kindle versions are on Amazon the the The Wolfland's documentary is on
Amazon Prime and the books and the DVD can be obtained through the truthproof Dot
UK website. And Steve, thank you so much for allowing me to to
promote that little bit. Thank you my pleasure and sit tight. I want
to do the close out here, but I want to tease the next time
we cross paths, I hope to ask you about a gentleman named Bob Brown
and his mysterious Man in Black encounter. Yep, Okay, let me do
the closeout. Okay. The High Strangest Factor And by the way, Paul,
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