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Good morning, good morning, good
morning, and welcome, welcome, welcome.

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It's time now for our community connection
right here on K one, the

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one you trust. I'm Tom Davis, and our program is being brought to

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you by Art laurenne Caampupil Home,
Tall Grassmotors and Get Real Ministries. Well,

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today's going to be a pretty exciting
one today because I have a new

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guest here, someone that we've not
spoken to yet, but I hope we

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can do that a little bit more
often. We have doctor Jerome and doctor

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Jerome Van Kaiken is going to be
hosting a pretty cool lecture out of Oklahoma

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Wesleyan University come Thursday. First of
all, welcome to the show. Oh,

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thanks so much for having me.
This is really neat. This is

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going to be a lion hall.
This is going to be on Thursday the

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eleventh at seven pm. And the
title is Jude Jesus Brother, the Judas

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We Never Knew. Okay, right
now, folks are like, well,

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we all know about Judas. Well, there are more than one, right,

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yeah, that's a little bit about
this. Yeah, so there are

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several judas is actually in the New
Testament Bible, and of course the one

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who gets all the airtime is Judas
is Scariot that you know, the one

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who betrayed Jesus. But there's another
one who's Jesus' sibling, half brother,

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and he also goes by the name
Jude. So Ju and this Judas are

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the same guy. Okay, well, okay, So this Jude appears in

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the Bible a couple of different times. Got his own book. Yeah,

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that's right near the back of the
Bible, right before the Book of Revelation.

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Huh, little tiny book. We
tend to skip over it. But

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it's got some important things to tell
us about life today, and it's one

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we've ignored and need to pay attention
to. Well, this is going to

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be great that this is really going
to be an interesting thing. Now,

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how do we Is this a ticketed
event that we have coming up on Thursday?

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It is not. It's a free
event. But they do ask that

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you RSVP if possible, so we
know how much coffee to provide. Jew

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it's a good thing. Yeah,
Jude Health and Java is sponsoring this.

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They're providing free coffee, so you
know, we want to make sure to

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know how much coffee to bring.
Now, doctor, how long you been

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in Oklahoma? Wesleyan University. Right, this is my thirteenth year here.

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You're not old lucky anyplace for thirteen
years. But good on you for be

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as young as you are and condensing
that in. But that's really what do

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you What do you instruct? Right? I teach Bible and theology and philosophy

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and Christian worldview, just a variety
of subjects. You've got a beautiful campus

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out there. We were just talking
about that before we went on the air.

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Everything from just the atmosphere when it's
very welcoming. Some universities aren't that

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way. You kind of feel like, oh, well, maybe I don't

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belong here, but this is like
y'all come. Yeah, yeah, I've

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certainly been welcomed here. You know, when I moved down to Oklahoma thirteen

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years ago, I was well welcomed, and I've really enjoyed making Bartles fill

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my home, raising my kids here. Well, that's wonderful. That is

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wonderful. And the school itself,
we were talking about how the architecture,

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no matter we add on a little
bit, everything stays consistent. So it

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really has that nice, nice finished
book. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

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we're so grateful to have the laqin'sa
mansion is kind of the foundational piece of

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architecture for a campus, and so
we're trying to respect that building and that

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heritage by making all the rest of
our buildings look similar to that, even

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the residential areas. Yeah, just
like right off there, right off the

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same block. So it's really pretty
cool. So this lecture we're going to

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hear, it's about two hours long, and I'm thinking, that's a little

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tiny book of Jude, but there's
going to be just a whole lot that

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goes into it, because there's a
thought process that you kind of have to

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put yourself through. When you read
this, you understand it, you interpret

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it, and then you finally,
finally, finally comprehend it. Right.

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Yeah, And my intention is the
first half we'll be talking about the man

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Jude or Judas introduced, yeah,
letting you know something about his life as

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the author, and then the second
half will look at the book or the

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letter of Jude itself. Oh my
goodness. Well, we don't want to

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give anything away here because we do
want people to show up and see this.

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But this is really fascinating. When
people think of Judas. We do

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think of Judas scarant who betrayed Jesus. And of course it had to be

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done. One of those things that
you know before base starts hating on Judas,

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it had to be done. It
when written long before you came along.

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But two completely different characters, two
completely different lives, and you're going

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to bring out the distinctions and that
real clear, I understand, right,

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yeah, oh man, So this
is one of these things that we do

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have the rs VP. Now we
just need to go to the website or

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do we have a phone that number
that we can call it a little bit

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of both. The website, yeah, Oklahoma Wesleyan so www dot OKWU dot

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edu. And then down there under
events it'll have that you can click on

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that link to RSVP. This is
really going to be fascinating. Is this

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something that you've been talking about off
and on in your classrooms or is this

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something that you've been working on kind
of building to this crescendo for a little

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bit of both, right, yeah, Well, I have taught the Book

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of Jude in class, and then
back in twenty eighteen, I had the

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opportunity at a summer camp to do
a series of Bible studies on Jude.

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During that week out in Oregon and
beautiful location, as you can imagine by

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the way. I and so then
I wrote a little Bible study book out

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of that, and it's been published
this past summer. So that book is

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also available if you can't make the
community event or if you want to learn

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more about that, that's available at
Amazon, Barnes and Noble their website.

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It's called The Judas We Never Knew. Oh okay, well, congratulations I'm

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being published. Yeah. It's always
a cool thing, but even cooler when

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it's something that nobody else has really
kind of touched on. So you got

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something kind of very unique here and
drum. This is once again Thursday,

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January eleventh, from seven until nine
pm, and it's sponsored by our friends

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at Jude's Health and Java House.
I imagine that was pretty easy for them

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to say, yeah, I like
to participate, Yeah, definitely. Now,

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you know, folks, some folks
get their inspiration from a good cup

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of coffee. They wake up and
then they read the Bible. Then they

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get the full inspiration. Right,
So there you go. So you studied

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the theology in Kentucky. Tell us
a little bit about that. It came

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from an interesting area. Yeah,
yeah, So around eastern Kentucky where I

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did my high school and college career, and I have relatives there. My

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grandparents lived there. So yeah,
that's that's a part of the country that

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is kind of economically depressed challenged.
Yeah. Yeah, but I'm grateful to

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have had a good education there and
to been able to then come and make

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something in my life as a as
an educator. And you've done very well

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for yourself, young man. I
might say a lot of a great musicians

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have come from that part of Kentucky, real close to that region, they

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should say, yea of note and
did their thing in Wheeling, West Virginia,

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then made her own down in nash
Vegas. But it's an interesting you

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said. Jd. Vance, the
politician actually wrote a book and part of

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it was about this area, right, Yeah, So JD. Vance is

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the up and coming politician. Of
course. His biography, autobiography called Hillbilly

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Elogy, talks about how part of
his upbringings in Ohio, but part is

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in eastern Kentucky, in the very
county and town where I am from,

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basically, And so when that book
came out, I made sure to read

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it to make sure none of my
relatives were in there. So when you

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grow up in a place like that, what drew you to the Bible,

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what drew you to God? What
drew you to the education curiosity? Yeah?

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Yeah, well I'm a pastor's kid. Yeah, there you go.

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You're right all the time. Yeah. My parents and then my grandparents also

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were ministers there in eastern Kentucky,
So I have that heritage that I really

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appreciate. Well, very good.
I mean, that's a great way to

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grow up. You know the rules
and there's no changing the rules. But

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we're looking forward to having this lecture
Discovering the Untold Story of Jude Jesus Brother,

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and that will be a free community
event and that is on Thursday the

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eleventh from seven until nine pm with
the gentleman we're speaking to right now,

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doctor Jerome Penkaike, and he is
with Oklahoma Wesleyan University. And the book

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is available to you can get that
at Barnes and Noble anywhere Barnes and Noble's

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website or Amazon their website. Yeah, jud we never knew. No.

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If you get something and you can
get it there, you're doing well.

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And well, we're looking forward to
this and we're going to be sending a

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lot of folks out your way.
This will be at Lion Hall by the

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way, folks, if you've not
been to Lion Hall, this is a

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great place for anything, whether it's
a worship service, whether it's a lecture.

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We've even had political forums held out
there, and I can't think of

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a better place to just take a
look out there and see all those thousands

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of people. I mean, that
is it is huge, but it is

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nice and for as big as it
is, it's kind of cozy. You

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know. I don't know how you
can get big and cozy in the same

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frame. But whoever built that,
whoever had that presence of mind. You

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can see everybody's face, even though
there's a lot of faces. Yeah,

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you're going to get states, right, are you. No, No,

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no, no. I teach classes
in there, so I'm used to that.

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You're used to it. Well,
Thank you, doctor, I really

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appreciate you coming by. Yeah,
sure thing once again, Thanks so much

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for having me. Alrighty and good
luck and we'll be hearing nothing but positive

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reviews from Thursday nights lecture coming out. Thank you very much. Folks.

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