Tonight's first guest is Brittany. Brittany, welcome to the show. Thanks for
having me, Beck, Well, thanks for coming on. We appreciate your
time. Brittany, Please give us a brief bio on yourself. I am
a thirty two year old mom, stay at home mom, and I take
care of a house all day and dogs. Yeah. What's harder to keep
track of and keep in line? Your kid or the dog? The dog?
Definitely I can relate to that. Now. I understand you live in
New Jersey now, Brittany, but you grew up in Virginia and that's where
your encounter happened. How long have you been living in Virginia before that encounter
happened. I just went back for a visit and within two months. I
stayed there for two months, and that's where my encounter happened. But I
basically lived there probably since I was about eight or nine, so that was
a good amount of time. Yeah, definitely if that's the case, were
you about ready to pack up the next day after the encounter and head right
back to Jersey or that's how I was feeling. I was definitely a little
out of my element, Like the whole night I'm like that, I really
see this, But yeah, I was definitely ready to go back to like
the city lights. Yeah no Woods. Well I bet you were. But
you do understand now that encounters happened in cities too, don't you. Of
course, after listening to your podcast, of course, I realize that they
happened, and not even just like backwoods places. That's right, you have
happened all over. Are you one of those people who would rather not know
about things like Dogman being out there? Or do you think it's better to
be forewarned. I think it's better to be forewarned. I'd like to know
what I'm getting myself into, so if I know something like that exists,
I would definitely handle myself in a certain way. So definitely it's better to
know that they exist. Yeah, that's how I feel about it too.
What were your thoughts on the existence of cryptids and other things like that that
go bump in the night? Free Adria Encounter. Did you know about dog
Men before it happened? I did. I am a big fan of paranormal
shows. I watch all these shows on cryptids and I love to watch them,
but I never thought that I would have my own experience, I guess.
Yeah, you never do until it happens. That's how it normally goes.
There are a lot of people who would never share an experience like the
one you had in a public way like this. What made you decide to
come forward and do this? I heard a show, one of your earlier
shows in this woman was I guess in Danville on Virginia. It was two
hours away from where I had seen mine, And in the back of my
head, I said, Okay, if someone comes forward and describes what I
saw like us the exact words, I'll come forward and I'll tell about my
experience. But like not before, like I have to hear somebody else say
it. Was it comforting? Do you find out about her experience? Or
more disconcerting? A little bit of both. I felt validated, but also
like I really did see kind of the stuff that nightmares are made out of.
I definitely saw something. Yeah, I'd say you did. You definitely
did. The place where your encounter happened is very sparsely populated. Just how
remote is it though it's well off the beaten path. It's like up a
road that's barely big enough for like two golf carts. I don't know how
people drive this like every day, even when it's snowing. But this area,
like you get off the main road and you start going up a hill,
there's curves, there's like not any lines on the road, and it's
basically forest from either side, so it's a dirt road. Then almost it's
paved, but it's very very isolated. Yeah, it sounds like it must
be. You told us about finding out about that lady's encounter that was about
two hours away, But did you ever find out any of the particulars about
what happened to her. I know that her mom had seen something and she
said, I guess it's my word kangaroo. As soon as I heard that
word used, I'm like, oh my god, that's what kind of perked
my ears up. And I'm like, Okay, maybe I didn't just maybe
I wasn't imagining it. Maybe it really did happen. Yeah, it would
be nice if it was just your imagination, but unfortunately it sounds like that
wasn't the case. Have you been alone in the woods since you had that
encounter, Brittany, No, I have not. No, I have not,
And I guess my experience changed me in a way, I will not
go out and like when it's dusk, I will Yeah, I try to
stay away from the woods. Now, well, I can understand why you
would do that. But do you think someday down the you might be able
to overcome this and head back into the woods and enjoy yourself. I definitely
think eventually I'll get there, But for right now, I think I'm good
in a car on a road that's paved and there's people around. I think
I'm good just out of the woods. Yeah. Well, a lot of
my witnesses feel that way. How much time did you spend in the woods
before you had that encounter? Though? I would go camping, I would
go fishing. I'm not get an outdoors girl by any means, but I
would go with my family. So, I mean, it wasn't a super
big like, oh my gosh, my life is turned upside down like,
but it was like, oh, man, like I'm going to think twice
about going to this fishing spot. Wow, that really is a shame in
a really good time. I don't want you to rush, of course,
but I do hope sometime i'm down the road you can start to fish again
and camp again and just enjoy the outdoors a way that you used to one
time. I mean, you're so young, you've got so much life ahead
of you. It really would be a travesty if you never did go out
and enjoy it again. That'd be horrible. I know. I hope this
pass is eventually like I'm good in the winter months, like I'll ski,
I'll do the fun stuff in the winter months. But when it's like spring,
summer, like early fall, yeah, I'm good. So you're okay
to go out there in the wintertime. Well, that's a good beginning.
If you've spent all that time out in the woods camping and fishing and doing
all those other things. It's not going to give you the warm and fuzzies.
But I can all but guarantee, on more occasions than you would ever
even guess, these guys have been watching you, monitoring you, following you.
You never were harmed, then, so don't lose sight of the fact
that they've had all these opportunities to come and get you if they wanted to,
but they obviously didn't. I'm never gonna say dogman are safe to be
around, because you name the species whatever, you're going to have dangerous examples
of that type of animal, So why should dogmen be any different. But
if you think about all the dogman that quite possibly have been watching you over
the years when you've been in the woods before you knew about them being out
there and had that encounter, none of them wanted to harm you. If
they did want to harm you, you would have been harmed. So please
keep that in mind. Exactly. I don't feel like they're trying to harm
me at all. Is physically capable as they are. If they wanted to
harm you, you would be harmed. That's all there is to it.
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to my big footsithing dot com. All right, Brittany, please tell us
about your encounter. Now give us ever last detail it comes to mind.
Okay, So this happened early November of twenty nineteen. I had taken a
couple of months off from work and I went to stay with my aunt in
Virginia, just to like wedding plan and kind of be off the grid.
It was nice. And so, yeah, early November and I went to
the food store. I went to Kroger. This is probably like maybe an
hour away, depending on how you drive, and all my way back,
I get off the main road and then I slowly start down this rope.
There's no line in the center. It's it's just a long road. And
I was distracted by a pair of eyes. And these eyes were higher than
a deer, because that's what I originally thought, and I'm like, wait,
I had to ask myself. I'm like no, I'm like, a
deer's eyes are not supposed to be that high. And so like I'm driving,
I'm not trying to investigate. I'm not trying to do any of that.
I'm just trying to get home. And I'm noticing that this is way
taller than my truck, like taller than a hay ball, like a rolled
hay ball. These eyes were really high, and then my mind immediately immediately
went to a kangaroo, but not just a kangaroo, a kangaroo with like
dog features. The way it was like hunched over and the way it's arms
were articulated, like it just it didn't I think my mind was trying to
make sense of what it could be, and I'm like, oh my god,
like I'm not seeing this. There's no kangaroos and southern Virginia there's no
kangaroos like at all in the United States, I mean, minus the zoos.
So I'm going by this and I didn't smell anything, I didn't hear
anything. I just felt like, oh, I just got to get home.
I don't know if it was trying to make me scared, and I
know that's kind of the way that they operate. They just want you to
know that they're there, which they definitely did. So I'm driving by this,
and I think it was watching me as I was driving up, Like,
I don't think it followed me home. I don't think that it was
out to get me. But I just know how high this thing was,
and I knew if it really really wanted to, it could get me no
problem. I mean, the muscles I could just see, you know,
kangaroo has muscles, It's very powerful. And then you add on the dog
trades. It had pointy ears. It just looked like a mixture of both,
and it looked very, very powerful. So yeah, like I said,
I was not trying to stop and investigate. I was all my way
home. I was trying to get home safely, and I didn't feel anything
driving home. But the whole time, I'm like, did I just see
that? I wasn't sure. I felt very uncertain. I guess I doubt
it myself. And when I did get home, I was hustling a little
bit with the bags, trying to get them all in. I was trying
to take in all of the area because, like I said, like I
didn't think it followed me home, but I know these things are fast.
I know that they're all over and I was not trying to get involved in
any Like I guess, nothing happening. When I did get home, I'm
like, you guys will never guess what I saw. And it was kind
of pushed off as a joke. And I wasn't drinking, I wasn't smoking,
like you shouldn't drive in any of that. I was just coming home
from a shopping trip and this happened. And I guess until I heard the
podcast of the girl about her mom seeing a kangaroo, I didn't really start
putting. I thought it was just crazy. I thought like my mind was
just seeing things, like you know, it's it's dark out in November early,
but I just thought it was I don't know, my brain was trying
to make it to where. I guess it wasn't like going through like a
shock or something. So I had to make sense of it some way.
How many people did you tell about that experience? I told my probably about
five people. I told my aunt, my husband, and then my three
cousins. There's nothing worse than having an eyewitness as an experience like that,
and they reach out to friends and family and everyone just laughs at them.
No one takes them seriously. I call that a prison without any walls.
But did it strain your relationship with your husband when you laughed at you?
Not at all. We laugh at each other all the time. There's some
things he's told me, and I guess I've laughed at him, and we
joke a lot, and I don't know if he was this wasn't the time
he was supportive, but he was like a kangaroo. And I'm like,
yeah, and he's like a kangaroo, and I'm like, I know this
sounds crazy. I feel crazy, But I mean eventually, like when I
told him about this podcast, I made him listen to this podcast the whole
way through. And as soon as this girl said that her mom saw this
kangaroo, that's when he's like, oh my god. He's like, are
you serious, And I'm like, I told you, I told you I
saw something. So he believes you now, Oh, definitely, definitely.
Oh good. They'st out quite a bit. How far were you from home
when you saw it? I was probably maybe ten minutes fifteen at the most
from when I saw this. Yeah, it's like pretty much a straight run,
but it's all curvy. It's like literally you get off the main road
and then you were going up like a mountain and there's windy like turns and
everything. There's no street lights. It's very dark, like their land backs
up to the Smith Mountain Lake. Damn. It's like five miles away from
the house. So it's very desolate, I mean compared to Jersey. To
me, it's very very like essolate area. You could take a hike out
in the woods and not see anybody or hear anybody for miles. So you
were close to home when this happened. For anyone listening to the show tonight
who thinks that you just saw a small tree and misidentified at Brittany, What
would you say to them about that? I don't know. Maybe you have
to reevaluate where that tree is or you know where I've tried to make sense
of this, and it's the middle of a field. There's nothing in this
field. There's barely any hay bows. I don't know. Maybe sometimes it's
not just your imagination, maybe it's actually something out there. Well, that
right there precludes a chance it could have been a small tree. So much
for that? How much trouble if you had coming to terms with that experience.
I'm still having a hard time getting a beat on that. It's definitely
made me more cautious, I guess, maybe even afraid of the things that
could be out there. I know I definitely saw something. I know it
was not something that they teach you in science books and high school. There's
nothing that teaches you about this at all. It's definitely made me more thoughtful
to I guess the paranormal. I guess that's what that would be considered.
Well, have an experience like that when normally have that effect on you have
you had any trouble with nightmares? Dude, that experience not really any nightmares,
I guess, just the general like I think something's coming after me.
I'm in the woods. Something's like there. That's about it. As far
as like like nightmare dreams about like dog men and stuff, No, thank
god, because I don't think that would be fun. But yeah, just
like the general like something's there and I have to be careful kind of dreams.
Well that's a good thing, Thank Goodnessten. I hope you never do
have any nightmares about them. What's about time for us to get out of
here, Brittany. But before we do, do you have any clothes in
comments you'd like to share? Not really. I just hope this, I
don't know, maybe gives somebody else, maybe this could be their way of
telling about their experience, because I don't know. Until I heard somebody else
say something, I would have kept quiet. Yeah, it takes a lot
of courage to come out and talk about an experience like that. Got a
give them credit for doing that, and of course I have to give you
as well, So I'm really impressed that you have. But having said that,
I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing the details of that
experience with us. I really appreciate it. Yeah, thank you for having
me. Oh, you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and have a
great night. Tonight's second guest is Brandon. Welcome to the show. Hi,
Vick, thanks for having me on. Well, thanks so much for
coming on. We appreciate your time. Brandon. Please give us a brief
file on yourself. I am a construction supervisor and I'm from Indiana, married,
got four kids, and I also have recently started looking into these weird
crypto phenomenons and other instances of people have had. Kind of my experience led
me into looking into these type of things. So I kind of started out
last year doing a podcast into this stuff, and recently I stumble across this
podcast. And I've always kind of kept my story to myself because the stigma
that involves of not really talking about these things. But I've got to the
point where I can't expect other people we'll talk about their encounters if I'm too
afraid to talk about mine. So that's kind of why I reached out to
you and wanted to share my experience. Well, it goes without saying we're
so glad you decided to do that, So thank you. Thank you for
having a platform for people like me to come on here and talk about it.
Well, you're welcome. Before you have your encounter, you're gonna tell
us about tonight, Brandon. Would you describe yourself as having been a skeptic
or open minded. I've always been a skeptic that wants to believe, if
that makes any plausible sense to someone. Basically, I've always been interested in
paranormal monsters, whatever. I grew up as a kid that loved the X
Files, so I've was familiar with all sorts of stuff, but I never
really took it as true. I just more or less thought it was just
made up stuff. Or people would solve ghost or big Foot or something like
that, the Logness monster or I was like, oh, it be awesome
if that stuff was real, but I never really took it as real.
There's nothing wrong with being a skeptic in a lot of cases. It's a
good thing. Have you become less of a skeptic after having that experience to
an extent, yes, I still remain skeptical on a lot of things,
just because I don't know if it's me personally just not wanting to think about
the possibility that these things are real. But more so in the last couple
of years, I've opened up to the possibility that there are a lot more
instances where people encounter things that aren't necessarily misidentifications, that they're actually seeing what
they say they're seeing. Well, I don't need to tell you whether it's
convenient or not for them to be real. They are. They're definitely out
there. And you know that now now that you had that experience, and
speaking of that, do you live what you'd consider to be a compromised life
now that you've had that encounter, wouldn't say compromised. It's always been in
the back of my head, and I just kind of compartmentalized it to where
I never really thought about it. It wasn't up until within the last year
and a half to two years that I really kind of mentioned it to someone,
just because, again, there's that stigma of people thinking that you're crazy
or something, or you're a liar or anything like that, and that's definitely
not what I'm about. So I just didn't want to talk about it.
But I don't think it's affected me to the point like it has with some
others, and I know they struggled with it really bad, and for me,
I just kind of it made me start looking into things more. But
it wasn't so much to where I was open about. It was just more
or less it piqued my interest. But at the same time, I've always
tried to rationalize it and like understand what I saw, And maybe what I
saw wasn't where it I actually saw, But I feel like whatever it was,
I'm trying to rationalize it into like a logical sense, and I've just
gotten to the point to whereever it was, it was not logical. I
cannot explain it away. So I start to open up more about it,
to accept that what I saw is what I saw. I'm glad you decided
to open up like that eventually. Isn't it a shame you have to worry
about how family and friends are going to respond if you try to tell them
about the experience. That's horrible. People are not very open minded. It
doesn't seem like a lot of them are shut off, and the first time
you bring up something that isn't wouldn't be considered normal by most people, they're
looked at funny or laughed at. Or ridiculed or And that's why a lot
of people would have these sort of experiences won't say anything about it because they
don't want to deal with the aftermath of that. Oh, sure, it's
understandable that they would do that, they would hold those experiences to themselves,
but it really is a shame they have to worry about that sort of thing.
Did seemed definitive proof that dogman exist have any effects on the aspects of
your life that most people wouldn't expect. It's made me a little bit more
concerned with being out at nighttime and even so much in the day. I'm
not one to be afraid of the dark or anything like that, but where
I live now, it's not too far from where the encounter I had was,
and where I have to go out and deal with our goats or our
chickens or whatever. At nighttime, I'm always make sure I got my phone
light on or something. Just in the back of my mind. There's always
not so much like fear, but I'm always a little bit more cautious of
what I'm doing, just because you never know at this point what's around the
corner. Once bitten twice shy, Yeah, that's understandable. How close exactly
are you to the place where that encounter happened, maybe within four miles,
Oh, that's close. Has anything happened after that encounter that makes you think
it might have followed you home? Nothing that I can really say. So
There's been other issues here and there, but it's nothing that I've ever seen
or experience. We've had at our house now since we moved back here in
twenty twenty, we've had random animals be killed and they're not eating or they're
just killed. We've had rabbits they're just laying out killed. We've had other
animals like our birds, our chickens have been killed. It's weird because nothing's
been eating on them. They're just killed and they're just laying out there.
So I don't know what that would be. It's like to me, if
it was a predator or a coyote or something like that, you would have
thought it would have took it away, eating it, not just killed and
left it. Yeah, I agree. If it was a predator, you
don't expect them to just leave it there. So it does make you wonder
might have been a sasquatch. You never know. Yeah, I've often thought
about how we don't really know what's around So anytime I go out there,
especially with my kids out there or anything like that, I've always got that
down in the back of my mind or a little bit of paranoia. I
guess that there's corn fields around us. We don't know what's going to come
walking out of the corn field. We don't know what's going to come stepping
over from behind our barn. So there's always that little bit of fear in
the back of my mind that there's something out there. You're only human,
it's only natural you'd feel that way. You found out about an eye witnessed
who hadn't encountered just a few miles from where you live, What can you
tell us about their experience? Well, I come across your show and someone
to recommended this episode four oh three of Dogma Encounters, so I listened to
it, and he happened to be from the same town as Peru, Indiana.
And I've been able to actually talk to him or find out who he
was or whatever. But his experience it's not too far from the area of
where mine was, and obviously his was back in nineteen ninety, but it
might happened in two thousand and seven, so it was a seventeen year difference.
But I thought it was strange that from what I saw, and just
knowing that obviously someone else experienced something similar seventeen years beforehand, it really piqued
my interests because again I wrote off for almost fifteen years at what I saw
wasn't really what I saw had been something else, had to be something explainable,
and knowing that other people have seen the same type of thing in the
same general area really made me start looking into things more. He's sure it
would be nice if you could explain it away, but you saw what you
saw, and that's all there is to it. Yes, all right,
Brandon, Please tell us about your encounter. Now, give us every last
detail that comes to mind. Okay. It was in February of two thousand
and seven. I worked night shift at a paper warehousing place to where we
stocked paper for a company, and the day shift boss was on vacation that
week, and our boss decided she did not want to be there all night,
so she let us leave about an hour and a half to two hours
early, so it would have been about four thirty to five o'clock in the
morning, and as we're leaving. There's just several of us that worked on
there. I believe there was like maybe four of us. And we left
the warehouse. I get on the main road and then I turned down the
county road. Now one of my co workers, he was in front of
me, and he was driving too, and he was probably about a thousand
feet front. Now, on the north side is more or less just farmland,
but on the south side of this area it used to be a deer
preserve, so they had big, tall, ten foot fencing that ran all
the way down around this corner. So we were driving down this road and
we get up to an area where there's some woods, but it's not like
a super big wooded area, but there's a decent amount of woods to the
south, so it'd be on my driver's side, and I noticed his tail
lights. He hits his brakes so they light up, and I seem to
swerve off to the northern end of the roads. Basically he kind of went
down into the grass and shot back out and kept on driving. And the
first thing I'm thinking of is what is this guy doing, Like did a
deer run out in front of him? Or is he just not paying attention.
This was back in two thousand and seven, so it's not like someone
had been on their smartphones scrolling through things not paying attention like it's before that
time. And as I started to get closer to where he was, I
see this black figure in the middle of the road, but it's walking,
and it's in an upright position, but it's kind of leaning forward. And
the first thing I thought of as I had gotten close to it was I
thought it was a tall person wrapped in a big black blanket because I couldn't
see a head and I didn't see any arms, but I could definitely see
an upper body with legs. Now I didn't I don't remember. I can't
process what the feet looked like. I didn't Obviously, this all happened within
a few seconds, so I'm just trying to figure out why someone walking in
the middle of the road in the middle of the night. So as I
got closer, I too I had hit my brakes and go over to the
side of the road to avoid whatever this was, but I had slowed down
to the point to where I was almost stopped, and the thing was walking
in a swaying pattern almost like I describe it as when you see those blowers
at a car dealership, Basically the air blows them up and they just sway
in the wind. That's kind of how the sway of this thing was.
When it was walking. It would sway from side to side like as it
took steps, and it was still leaning forward quite a bit. Now,
I'm driving a nineteen ninety eight Ford Explorer, and the height from the driver's
seat obviously to the window, I kind of measured things to try and figure
out distance, and it's about five and a half feet roughly. Whatever was
walking past my driver's side window. I never saw the top of it,
and it was still leaning forward, so I'd guestimating that it's probably over seven
feet tall. Again, I did not see arms or ahead, and I
couldn't see any actual details of the body other than just a black mass in
two thick legs, and I got behind the vehicle my tail I'd illuminated it
and I could definitely see two really thick legs that it took two steps.
And then at that point I trump on the gas and got out of there
because I don't know what's going on, and like nothing was making sense at
this point. Well, my co worker had pulled into a parking lot further
down the road and he'd started to turn around, so I pulled in next
to him, and as I rolled down my window to talk, he was
clearly scared. His eyes were all bulgeality, yelling profanities and asking if I
saw it whatever, what was it? I told him, I'm not sure.
He said it didn't have a head, which I can confirm I did
not see a head either, and we just have no idea what this thing
was. So I decided we should probably go back and look, just because
clearly this is not something that normally would happen. Me being somewhat curiosity,
I would like to know what I just saw. So he decided he would
follow behind me. So I went out in front and we started driving back
down the road. And it's only maybe a quarter mile down this road from
where we'd pull off that so it's not too far. And I see a
black dog looking figure lane in the middle of the road, and as we
approached, I can make out more as like a list's like a dog.
So the first thing I'm thinking, as well, maybe he hit a dog
or I don't know. I didn't hit anything. I know I didn't,
but my brain won't process why there's now a dog lane in the middle of
the road. It's clearly not as big as whatever was walking, so I
didn't put two and two together that this could have been the same thing.
It just again like it's all happened so quickly that I just couldn't think straight.
Basically, I start to get out of my vehicle because clearly it looks
like there's an injured animal in the middle of the road and there's no real
way of going around unless again we drive off into the grassy area. And
as I start to get out, my co worker decides to start yelling at
me to get back in because we don't know what's walking down the road.
We don't know what this thing is, what am I doing? Calling me
crazy whatever. As and I start to walk towards this creature, its head
sits up and looks back at me. Now it was lane directly across the
road, not like long ways, but basically like as long as it could
from side to side, so it made it to where it's hard to get
around it one way or the other. And it was facing the opposite direction
from where I was walking, so it was looking the way we had been
driving, and as it turned around, its eyes were glowing yellow at me,
and I think that it's the eyes shine from the headlights. That's how
my brain processes, because every animal obviously their eyes will low once it hits
the headlights because it's still dark outside. And as we are watching, like
he stills big alarm walking. I stopped because the thing sets its head up
and as the eyes are going it growls at me. It's a really deep,
rumbling growl. So I stopped dead in my tracks, and basically this
sting. Besides, it's going to stand up, but it's not trying to
stand up like a normal dog. It stands up on its hind legs.
I did not notice any of the hands or anything like that. It looked
to me like it still was a normal dog. It didn't have like fingers,
the legs didn't look humanoid or didn't have arm like. It still looked
like a normal dog. But I've never seen a dog just stand up on
its back legs like a person. And it didn't stand up to where it
looked like it was having any real issues to stand up on its hind legs.
So when it stood up, it kind of hollled around, it fell
back down, and then it trotted off on all fours or what appeared to
be all fourced down into the grass area where the trees are now where that
area is where that ten foot fence would be, So I'm not sure how
it would have completely just went down there and disappeared, but we've never seen
it once it went in there, so I don't know if it popped the
fence, went through a fence, climbed under a fence, or just straight
up disappeared, but we couldn't see it anymore. And as we noticed that
it was gone, he decided he would actually get out of his vehicle and
he walked up to me, and we're trying to figure out what just happened,
because clearly that is not normal, Like, we don't know what this
is. From what I saw, it looked like a typical wolf style body,
like a German shepherd type body and head, but it's fur was really
puffy, almost like a chow. So just laying there, I thought it
was just a normal dog, just a big dog, But when it stood
up and looked at me, I just didn't feel like this was normal obviously,
because again, dogs don't stand up on two legs, and if they
do, it's I don't know. So I'm trying to process everything that is
going on. So as we're talking about this, I happened to notice down
by my foot there's a field mouse. And I see mice every once in
a while run across the road here and there. We live out in the
country. Obviously there's fields and everything around, but this was in the winter,
and there obviously wasn't really any fields going on. Everything had been harvested,
everything being cut down. But it's just standing there and it's washing its
face with its two front paws, so it's in a right position, but
it's kind of sitting with its tail behind it, and it's taking its two
front paws and just wiping its face and rubbing its head and around its ears
like it was cleaning itself. So I nudged it with my foot just to
try and see if it would like scamper off or anything like that, and
it didn't really matter. Basically, it just kept cleaning itself. And as
it was cleaning itself, it kind of creeped me out even more that there's
a mouse standing here with us, of wrapping a conversation right between us,
like it's involved in our conversation. Obviously it's not speaking to us or whatever,
but it's not afraid of us and has no problem that I just touched
it, and it just goes about it's business like it's no big deal.
It's just going to keep cleaning itself. The whole time we were there,
I don't know how to describe it other than it just felt weird, Like
the whole situation obviously was strange that, like the air itself just didn't feel
normal. Obviously it was winter, it was kind of cold, brisk out,
like just in this area. I don't know how to describe it other
than it didn't feel normal, like it wouldn't feel like when I was talking
to him further down the road. It was almost it was like a heaviness
in this area that we're in. And that's the only thing I can really
think of how to describe this, a weird heaviness in this area. But
we decided that we're going to go about our own ways. So he went
towards his house and I went across the highway over towards my house, and
I went to bed when I got home, because obviously I worked third shifts.
I wanted to get some sleep, and I had woken up the next
morning. I kind of drew a sketch of what I had saw, and
then I got online. I started browsing through old forums or whatever for like
cryptids or any type of dog, werewolf, whatever type of things, because
at the time I'd never even heard of a dog man. And I'd scanned
this photo that I drew into a group and asked if anyone's ever seen anything
like this, and someone says it looks like a Michigan dog man. Because
that's when I started looking into, well, what's a Michigan dog man?
And then I started seeing more things and learned of the Beast of Gray Road
encounter and some of the other stuff. And I went back to work,
and I don't remember if it was the following night or that could have been
the weekend. It was two nights later, but I just know the next
time we went to work, I went up to him with what I had
drawn, and those at our binge where we had all set before work started,
and the other people that worked would have started laughing once I'd showed him
what I drew and was talking about what it was. So he pulls me
to a side and said that I needed to shut up talking about what we
saw because he doesn't want people thinking we're crazy or he's crazy or anything like
that. So anything that happened, he's just going to deny and say that
he didn't see anything because he doesn't want to be known as someone seeing crazy
monsters or whatever. So I needed to just drop it and not talk about
it. So that was honestly the last time I've even really brought it up
to anyone, because I didn't want to be telling people a story and being
think that I'm lying about it because the guy that also saw it was now
saying he didn't see anything because he didn't want to be involved in it.
But for fifteen years, I pretty much kept that to myself up until I
would say in the winter of twenty twenty one, and I just so happened
to brandomly tell a co worker who didn't laugh but didn't acknowledge much of it,
and I kind of felt a little bit better when I had mentioned it,
just because for so long I'm not really talking about it, And then
it got me wanting to look into more details and find other people who could
have possibly had the same type of experience that I did, but I didn't
know how to go about doing that, so I just started looking around and
trying to come about more information and what I was looking for. I started
watching these Dogman documentaries and basically come to the point where I can't rationalize basically
what I had saw. So it's almost as if I have to accept the
fact that what I saw was actually what I saw, because for so long
I just said it was obviously it was a dog. Maybe he was playing
with this mouse, he was jumping around, That's why he looked taller,
and maybe he was hurt, and that's why he tried to stain on his
back legs and his front legs wouldn't work, and he's actually hit and did
mess him with this mouse, and the mouths are traumatized. I just whatever
rational explanations I could come up with, that's why I basically said happened for
all those years, And that to me even sound just as weird and unbelievable
as my actual story does. But I don't know how else to explain it
other than I saw what I saw, and to this day, I don't
know what it was, but what it was was not normal and that's just
where I'm at today listening. It a shame that you can't just openly talk
about and experience like that with anyone that you want to without fear of being
ridiculed. Yeah, that's it's one of those things to where it's verry taboo.
I guess for a lot of people, and I think there's a lot
of others who've actually had these experiences themselves that even if you would bring it
up that you had a similar experience, that they're still afraid to even say
they had one, because again, they don't want that ridicule that they're going
to get from the mainstream of people, because that's just the mindset that everyone's
into. These things aren't real, and anyone the season are clearly crazy.
At this point, I'm not worried about the backlash. People can say what
they want to say. I know what I saw. If you believe me
or if you don't believe me, it really doesn't matter because in the back
of my mind, I know what I saw, and now I know that's
right now. You do know you're about four miles from home when you had
that encounter, But how far from the warehouse was that? Probably two miles.
It's just on the outskirts of town. It's on the northern part of
town, so not too far from where the actual county fairgrounds is. It's
on that fairgrounds road that we have. And again, the whole area there's
a big deer preserve, well it used to be announced not the whole area
is not the deer preserved. They used to have scheduled hunting and stuff out
there, But so that whole area is basically fenced off, and it's a
big two to four square mile area that they had completely ten ft fenced all
the way around, so no one really can know it was pining or out
there. Obviously the all wooded and everything else with access to it was very
limited. Is there much in the way of moving water in that area?
Just less than a mile to the north is a Hill river and just about
another mile or a mile and a half to the south of the Wabash River,
and both run right through in Miami County, so it's kind of right
in the dead center of both of them. I see. Well, if
that's the case, having the Wabash right there in that deer preserve, that's
a dog mean sanctuary, then yeah, that's kind of where I'm thinking.
It's just this whole area in general is like a prime spot for any type
of animal that we're not aware of, or any time ye of creature,
just because we have two sources of water. There's a lot of farm land,
but there's also a lot of wooded areas and undisturbed areas, So it's
definitely a place to where anything could be out there that we're not one hundred
percent sure about. Oh, I'd say, so, yeah, that's the
perfect place for it, dog me and to hang out. When you saw
that big creature walking down the road, swinging side to side the way it
was, would you describe its movements as being smooth or jerky? It was
kind of a smooth but unnatural look. It didn't look like it was having
trouble walking. It just didn't look like a normal stride of anything that I
can relate to it. It was like wispy type of guess, like it
would just kind of flow with the wind. It didn't look it didn't look
real. I guess that would be the way like which you would see something
walking. It just had too much of a sway to it to be normal.
I don't I guess that's in my way I can come about it.
Is it just it didn't look like it was jagged or twitching or anything like
that. It just was just moving very unnatural. I must have really gotten
near motor running when you saw that. Yeah, I'd relay it when I
tell a story. I'm trying to revisualize in everything, and I'm sitting here
thinking about it. I was like, there's no way I can explain this
in the details that I need to without because I can visualize that, I
can see it, but there's really no way of really describing it, becauseine
it is the only way to actually understand what I'm saying. So it's hard
to hard to translate that over Well, I'm sure it is. How would
you describe the contour of its Torso it was round and thick, it almost
was. I didn't see like muscle mass or anything like that, but it
had like what you would think of like it widened up towards the top,
like it looked like it would have should have had shoulders and arms, obviously,
because the legs were thick, and then it kind of got a little
bit narrower, and then it thickened back up and then as it was leaning
forward. I can only see like a top black and then it just stopped.
So whatever's walking like, I didn't see arms, and I didn't see
a head, but clearly there should have been something in that area where it
arms and a head would be, but there was just there was nothing.
So I don't understand how a set of legs and torso are just kind of
walking in the robe without being able to see a head or arms or anything
like that on the top part of it. To me, it's just I
don't know. I said that it's hard for me to describe this, and
as I talk about it, the skeptic in me is like, this cannot
be true. There's no way you saw this. But I'm not the only
one that saw it. If the guy that i'd worked with had not said
that something like I didn't have a head and he like he confirmed what I
had saw, I would have probably wrote it off as I just didn't get
a good look at it. The fact that he saw exactly what I saw
reaffirmed to me that, Okay, we got to go back and look at
this thing because this is not right. There's something wrong and there's something weird
going on it. For whatever reason I wanted to go back and make sure
that I saw what I saw because what I saw is too fantastical to be
true. It's too fantastical to be true, but unfortunately it is. How
close did you get to it? From what I can remember, I'm pretty
sure my mirror actually bumped into the side of it as I was trying to
drive past it, so it was really really close. And like I said,
I it was taller than the window of my vehicle on my vehicle,
about five and a half feet, so I never saw the top of it,
even though it was hunched forward, because it was leaning forward by quite
a bit when it was walking, and with it hunched over and being it
had to have been close to the top of it would have been almost seven
foot still leaning over, so standing completely upright, it had to have been
well over seven feet. Is there any way? Due to lighting, it
being so dark out and sometimes being closed makes it harder to see something.
Is there any way? It could have just been hiding its arms somehow and
its head, and that's why you couldn't see them. It's possible because the
way I've always thought about it and described it was it looked like something was
wrapped like the upper part of it was wrapped like wrapped around them like this
black. I said, a cloak or a blanket like it was obviously it
was winter. So my first thought process when I could see it in the
distance but my headlights, was obviously, there's a person strolling down the road,
stumbling down the road, whatever you want to like haveever might brain with
process and it wrapped in like a big black blanket. But as I got
closer, I like, well, this is obviously too big to be a
person. And as I went around it, it was definitely too big to
be a person. But it is possible that the upper part of it was
wrapped with something black. But it's the same color of the legs and everything,
like there's all the same black figure like a black or a dark gray.
And it wasn't like a silhouette or anything like that like they talked about
seeing through things or anything like that. Like it was solid. Because I
hit it with headlights. It was next to my vehicle, I'm pretty sure
it kind of bumped into the mirror and my back tail lights illuminated it and
you could see between the legs as it stepped, So whatever was there was
blocking off like it was solid. It was blocking off the area as it
walked past. It wasn't anything that wasn't actually there, obviously, it was
solid mass. That sure is a hard one to explain. When you roll
it up next to it. Did it ever make any movements? It gave
you the impression that it took notice of you. No, That's one of
the things that I've often thought about is it didn't try and stop when his
vehicle went around it. I guess I didn't obviously see it at that point,
but if he had to swerved to miss it, was clearly continuing to
walk in the middle of the road. And it didn't try to avoid me
either. It just kept going in the same direction that I was, and
I had to avoid it. And I'm thinking to myself, I would have
just stopped with it, had kept walking right directly into it, because I
didn't even try and like step away from where I'm trying to get around it.
It just kept going in the same straight pattern. But obviously I guess
it was swaying as it was walking, but it was still going in the
same pattern. Wasn't going from like side of the road to the side of
the road. It was still in the center of the road, but it's
upper body would sway to one side, and it's upper body another step.
Its way to the other side is like just rocking as it was taking steps.
I can only imagine what it must have been like to see that.
You said that you never saw its head. Is it possible that its head
was down in front of its shoulders so far that it shoulders concealed it somehow?
It's possible. Again, like I said, I don't but being in
the vehicle, and obviously I couldn't see the top of us that I walked
past, I don't necessarily know what the upper part of it looked like because
I never really saw that upper part. I just saw what I could see
through the windows. I'm trying to drive past this thing, still trying to
figure out exactly what it is, because at that point my brain is just
scrambling because it's all happened within like a ten second window, and you're trying
to rationalize something completely what I would I guess it would call crazy happening that
and you're trying to process is this really happening? So I've always kind of
regretted not fully stopping and trying to get a good look at it at the
same time that fight or flight fear comes into play, and I just kind
of wanted to not figure out exactly what it was standing literally a foot from
me. Now, please don't second guess yourself. You did the right thing
by getting out of there. What makes you so sure it was a dog?
Mean though, if you never saw its head, arms, or hands,
that's where I'm not one hundred percent sure of what was walking When I
first came up on it was the same creature. Because when we went back
to see what was walking is when we saw the dog, and then the
dog stands back up on two legs and then tries to walk off, and
then it seems like it couldn't do that, so it went back down on
all four But it's two front paws. I don't feel like they were actually
on the ground. I felt like it kind of like hunched down, like
hunkered down, leaning forward, kind of like how that thing was leaning forward
and then went down into the grassy tree area. That to me is I
don't know how to like. Obviously, whatever was walking was a lot bigger
than the dog, the dog creature, or just we'll call it the dog.
It was bigger than the normal sized dog, but it was nowhere near
as big as whatever was walking, So I don't know how to correlate one
and the other. I don't know if they were the same thing. I
don't know if they're all three related, if there's all just weird instances.
I just know that there was no dog in the middle of the road about
two minutes before we went back down there, So I don't know where the
dog came from, and I don't know where that creature went whatever was walking,
because it was not there. But now there's a dog in the same
general area. Well, Unfortunately, it sounds like there are a lot of
questions to that experience. It you're never going to have the answers to.
I wish we did, but we probably never will. When you saw that
smaller dog stand up on its hind legs and run away, how far were
you from the bigger one at that point, it was probably within the same
fifty to one hundred feet from where the original thing was walking. Again,
it's nighttime and there's just woods, so it's hard to know exactly the exact
spot, but I would say it was when within a hundred feet of where
the thing walking was that this creature was laying down again. To me,
it looked like a normal dog. I didn't see like the typical description of
like a dog man would have like almost humanoid type hands with fingers like this
looked like it still had its paws. But when it stood up on its
hind legs, it didn't look like a dog trying to stand up on its
hind legs. Like it stood up like it would normally be on hind legs
and then went back down on all fours. So that's that's where I'm my
brain gets confused, because if this was really a dog, why didn't looked
like it was okay standing on its back legs. Probably because it was a
dog man. I can understand why you would try to qualify it and second
guess yourself. But from what you've told me about what it did is your
sounds to me like it was a smaller dog man. As far as its
eyes go, do you see any way that a normal dog or wolf's eye
could have glowed the way its eyes did. The only thing I related to
the glowing of the eyes was basically the headlights hitting it. They were glowing
a yellow color and again, I don't know if that's just from the headlights
or not. That's how I always wrote it off as well. Obviously eyes
are going because it's an animal, and the eyes are reflecting from eyes shine.
But they were really bright. That's all I can really just say,
Like, I don't know if that's typical of an animal with headlights within fifty
feet from a mix your eyes really glow really bright yellow, but these were
glowing like a bright yellow color. Well, when you consider the fact it
stood up the way it did, I can't see how it could have been
just a dog or a wolf, because there are dog men that looks unassuming.
Is just your run to the mill dog or your run to the mill
wolf that has this ability to stand up on its back legs and do it
in a way that makes it look totally normal, like it does it all
the time, probably because it does. That's kind of where I always struggled
with it, because as much as I didn't want to consider the fact that
what I saw was obviously a dog man, or before I knew what a
dog man even was like that night, I was like first thing anyone would
think of, like werewolf, because that's the mainstream thing pushed out there from
movies and everything else or werewolves. I didn't have a feeling the fear from
it, if that makes any sense. Like I wasn't afraid even when it
stood up, I wasn't like afraid of it. As I thought it was
going to stand up and run at me. It seemed like it was more
wanting to get out of there, Like it growled at me to stop coming
towards it, and it stood up the other direction. It didn't stand up
towards me. It stood up with its back towards me, like it was
going away from me. I felt like, if it was actually wanting to
attack me, I'm only fifteen feet from it could have stood up and lunged
at me, and there's probably been nothing I could have done. It made
it pretty clear that it wanted to get away from you. But I'm sure
the pucker factors way up there still and understandably sell. Yeah. I'm like,
again, I didn't feel overly terrified because I'm still trying to process what
I'm actually seeing, Like it didn't really nothing really clicked at that time,
Like I had to actually like sit there think about it and try and rationalize
it. And I played this scenario over for so many years in my head
to try and explain it away, and there's just no way of doing that.
Sure, it would be nice if you could explain it away, but
what happened happened, and that's all there is to it. When the smaller
one stood up on its back legs, though, how tall would you say
it was? I'm six foot three and it was probably close to my height.
I don't know. Like I said, if a dog stands up,
I have a German Shepherd and she's not nearly as tall as me, so
it's still big for a dog, but it wasn't like super seven foot tall,
eight foot tall at normally large, so it's still within the realm of
large dog size. I guess, well, not so fast. Very few
dogs are going to be that tall when they stand on their back legs,
even big dogs. So it's possible. Yeah, there are dogs that are
that tall when they stand up on their back legs, but not many.
Before I ask for your closing comments, Brandon, please tell us more about
your podcast. Well, I started this podcast and August of twenty twenty two,
and it's called Tinfoil Tales. Basically, what I do is I interview
guests for whatever experiences they've had. It doesn't necessarily relate just to Dogman or
sasquatch, but it could be paranormal, to the UFO phenomena, anything that
someone believes they've had experiences with but they're too afraid to talk about it.
I give them a platform to discuss. I'm not there to prove or disprove
anyone's claims or stories. I'm just there to let them be able to tell
their experiences without ridicule or fear of whatever. I keep it anonymous if they
want to. If they want to use their name, they can use their
name, but we don't go into great detail about who they are because I
know a lot of people struggle with coming forward, and I don't want them
being afraid to come on my show, just because I know how it feels
like to not want to talk about things. Because I didn't tell my story
for fifteen years, and I just I got a little bit of relief telling
my story to someone else, but I still didn't want to tell mine publicly,
and I felt kind of hypocritical for asking people to tell me their stories.
And I'm still reluctant to tell mine, so That's kind of why I've
been more open to explaining what made me start this podcast, because it helps
me. Listening to other people's stories kind of helps me feel like I'm helping
them, and that's what my goal was, is to try and help them.
But it also I feel like it does kind of help me except the
strange activity encounter that I had had and maybe in the back of my mind
gives me a little bit of closure, just because I don't feel like I'm
ever gonna have one hundred percent knowledge what really went on that night, of
what really I saw other than what I saw, And I've always been,
like I said, kind of skeptical, and this just makes it to where
it's easier for me to accept what I saw, and I'm hoping it helps
other people accept what they saw too. I'm sure you are helping those eyewitnesses
by giving them a platform to do that. That's great. How often do
you have dog Me and I witnesses on your show. I've had a few.
One of the first guests I had said that they'd encountered what they believed
to be a dog man and his story is a really fantastical story. Basically,
they were traveling down in Georgia at a high speed on a freeway and
this thing I'm running across the median and bumped into the tires of their car.
And I've had some other people that have had the same thing. Like
someone just recently said that him and a lady were driving and it was standing
in the middle of the road, but they drove through it and they could
fill the energy as they went through it. But it looked solid, but
they went through it and there was no damage or anything. And I've had
a couple other people with similar stories too. Someone said that they'd heard that
their wife had heard their mother calling out to them from the woods, but
it wasn't her, and then their stepson had stepped on her his mom calling
out to him at like three am in the morning wanting him to come outside
through the window, telling him through the window come outside. And he wrote
that off as possibly dog Man. But I'm not one hundred percent it familiar
with all the dog Man's stories or encounters, so I don't know, like
the I know there's a little bit of stories where people say that that talks
to them like telepathically, They've said things to them telepathically. I've heard the
same thing like a sasquatch. So there's just so much out there. I
don't know where to go with it. I guess I'm just starting to get
my feet wet into the things. It's only been a little over here.
I've really really started getting into things, and I've had all sorts of stories,
from paranormals to alien type stuff. And I don't necessarily I want to
say I believe everyone or don't believe everyone, because I believe that everyone that's
telling me believes what they're telling me. So it's not my place to tell
someone that they're wrong or what they're telling me can't be possible, because for
fifteen years I even questioned myself. So I know how what they're feeling like
coming on something on the show and tell them a story to it's It's not
easy, No, it's not. And it sounds to me like you've got
a really good show there. I'll tell you what. I'm going to post
a link to it in the description for tonight's show, and that way I'll
make it that much easier for the listeners to check it out, which of
course I hope they do. Yeah, I definitely appreciate that. Oh,
You're welcome, glad to do it. Well. Before we get out of
here, do you have any closes in comments you'd like to share for anyone
out there listening. If you've had an experience and you're afraid to talk about
it, I understand wholeheartedly, But people like VIC and myself now getting my
foot in the door here of trying to do podcast and stuff as well.
I didn't know the whole podcasting thing. I didn't know much about it when
I started mine, and then I realized there's obviously other people doing similar things,
which is great. I just want everyone to know that reach out to
Vic. If you've had a dog man encounter, you can reach out to
me, you can reach out to anyone else. But keeping it inside and
bundled up and afraid to talk about it, it doesn't really help because you
always have that inkling in the back of your head. And at least for
me, I feel like it is better for others to hear your story because
it helps reaffirm to them that what they experienced themselves is also similar to what
you've experienced, and we're never going to learn anything by hiding it. So
the more people come forward with their experiences, the more chances that we end
up coover what's really going on? Why? Is words? Very well said,
well, Brandon, I can't thank you enough for coming on shooting the
details of those experiences with us. I really appreciate it. Thank you,
Vick. I appreciate what you do and I'm glad to be a part of
it. Will you know you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and have
a great night.