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Tonight's first guest is Brittany. Brittany, welcome to the show. Thanks for

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having me, Beck, Well,
thanks for coming on. We appreciate your

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time. Brittany, Please give us
a brief bio on yourself. I am

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a thirty two year old mom,
stay at home mom, and I take

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care of a house all day and
dogs. Yeah. What's harder to keep

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track of and keep in line?
Your kid or the dog? The dog?

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Definitely I can relate to that.
Now. I understand you live in

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New Jersey now, Brittany, but
you grew up in Virginia and that's where

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your encounter happened. How long have
you been living in Virginia before that encounter

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happened. I just went back for
a visit and within two months. I

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stayed there for two months, and
that's where my encounter happened. But I

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basically lived there probably since I was
about eight or nine, so that was

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a good amount of time. Yeah, definitely if that's the case, were

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you about ready to pack up the
next day after the encounter and head right

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back to Jersey or that's how I
was feeling. I was definitely a little

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out of my element, Like the
whole night I'm like that, I really

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see this, But yeah, I
was definitely ready to go back to like

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the city lights. Yeah no Woods. Well I bet you were. But

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you do understand now that encounters happened
in cities too, don't you. Of

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course, after listening to your podcast, of course, I realize that they

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happened, and not even just like
backwoods places. That's right, you have

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happened all over. Are you one
of those people who would rather not know

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about things like Dogman being out there? Or do you think it's better to

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be forewarned. I think it's better
to be forewarned. I'd like to know

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what I'm getting myself into, so
if I know something like that exists,

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I would definitely handle myself in a
certain way. So definitely it's better to

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know that they exist. Yeah,
that's how I feel about it too.

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What were your thoughts on the existence
of cryptids and other things like that that

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go bump in the night? Free
Adria Encounter. Did you know about dog

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Men before it happened? I did. I am a big fan of paranormal

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shows. I watch all these shows
on cryptids and I love to watch them,

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but I never thought that I would
have my own experience, I guess.

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Yeah, you never do until it
happens. That's how it normally goes.

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There are a lot of people who
would never share an experience like the

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one you had in a public way
like this. What made you decide to

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come forward and do this? I
heard a show, one of your earlier

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shows in this woman was I guess
in Danville on Virginia. It was two

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hours away from where I had seen
mine, And in the back of my

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head, I said, Okay,
if someone comes forward and describes what I

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saw like us the exact words,
I'll come forward and I'll tell about my

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experience. But like not before,
like I have to hear somebody else say

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it. Was it comforting? Do
you find out about her experience? Or

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more disconcerting? A little bit of
both. I felt validated, but also

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like I really did see kind of
the stuff that nightmares are made out of.

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I definitely saw something. Yeah,
I'd say you did. You definitely

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did. The place where your encounter
happened is very sparsely populated. Just how

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remote is it though it's well off
the beaten path. It's like up a

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road that's barely big enough for like
two golf carts. I don't know how

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people drive this like every day,
even when it's snowing. But this area,

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like you get off the main road
and you start going up a hill,

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there's curves, there's like not any
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basically forest from either side, so
it's a dirt road. Then almost it's

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paved, but it's very very isolated. Yeah, it sounds like it must

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be. You told us about finding
out about that lady's encounter that was about

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two hours away, But did you
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what happened to her. I know
that her mom had seen something and she

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said, I guess it's my word
kangaroo. As soon as I heard that

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word used, I'm like, oh
my god, that's what kind of perked

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my ears up. And I'm like, Okay, maybe I didn't just maybe

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I wasn't imagining it. Maybe it
really did happen. Yeah, it would

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be nice if it was just your
imagination, but unfortunately it sounds like that

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wasn't the case. Have you been
alone in the woods since you had that

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encounter, Brittany, No, I
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And I guess my experience changed me
in a way, I will not

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go out and like when it's dusk, I will Yeah, I try to

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stay away from the woods. Now, well, I can understand why you

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would do that. But do you
think someday down the you might be able

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to overcome this and head back into
the woods and enjoy yourself. I definitely

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think eventually I'll get there, But
for right now, I think I'm good

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in a car on a road that's
paved and there's people around. I think

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I'm good just out of the woods. Yeah. Well, a lot of

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my witnesses feel that way. How
much time did you spend in the woods

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before you had that encounter? Though? I would go camping, I would

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go fishing. I'm not get an
outdoors girl by any means, but I

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would go with my family. So, I mean, it wasn't a super

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big like, oh my gosh,
my life is turned upside down like,

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but it was like, oh,
man, like I'm going to think twice

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about going to this fishing spot.
Wow, that really is a shame in

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a really good time. I don't
want you to rush, of course,

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but I do hope sometime i'm down
the road you can start to fish again

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and camp again and just enjoy the
outdoors a way that you used to one

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time. I mean, you're so
young, you've got so much life ahead

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of you. It really would be
a travesty if you never did go out

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and enjoy it again. That'd be
horrible. I know. I hope this

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pass is eventually like I'm good in
the winter months, like I'll ski,

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I'll do the fun stuff in the
winter months. But when it's like spring,

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summer, like early fall, yeah, I'm good. So you're okay

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to go out there in the wintertime. Well, that's a good beginning.

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If you've spent all that time out
in the woods camping and fishing and doing

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all those other things. It's not
going to give you the warm and fuzzies.

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But I can all but guarantee,
on more occasions than you would ever

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even guess, these guys have been
watching you, monitoring you, following you.

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You never were harmed, then,
so don't lose sight of the fact

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that they've had all these opportunities to
come and get you if they wanted to,

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but they obviously didn't. I'm never
gonna say dogman are safe to be

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around, because you name the species
whatever, you're going to have dangerous examples

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of that type of animal, So
why should dogmen be any different. But

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if you think about all the dogman
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the years when you've been in the
woods before you knew about them being out

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there and had that encounter, none
of them wanted to harm you. If

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they did want to harm you,
you would have been harmed. So please

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keep that in mind. Exactly.
I don't feel like they're trying to harm

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me at all. Is physically capable
as they are. If they wanted to

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harm you, you would be harmed. That's all there is to it.

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All right, Brittany, please tell us

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about your encounter. Now give us
ever last detail it comes to mind.

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Okay, So this happened early November
of twenty nineteen. I had taken a

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couple of months off from work and
I went to stay with my aunt in

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Virginia, just to like wedding plan
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It was nice. And so,
yeah, early November and I went to

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the food store. I went to
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hour away, depending on how you
drive, and all my way back,

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I get off the main road and
then I slowly start down this rope.

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There's no line in the center.
It's it's just a long road. And

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I was distracted by a pair of
eyes. And these eyes were higher than

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a deer, because that's what I
originally thought, and I'm like, wait,

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I had to ask myself. I'm
like no, I'm like, a

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deer's eyes are not supposed to be
that high. And so like I'm driving,

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I'm not trying to investigate. I'm
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I'm just trying to get home.
And I'm noticing that this is way

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taller than my truck, like taller
than a hay ball, like a rolled

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hay ball. These eyes were really
high, and then my mind immediately immediately

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went to a kangaroo, but not
just a kangaroo, a kangaroo with like

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dog features. The way it was
like hunched over and the way it's arms

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were articulated, like it just it
didn't I think my mind was trying to

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make sense of what it could be, and I'm like, oh my god,

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like I'm not seeing this. There's
no kangaroos and southern Virginia there's no

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kangaroos like at all in the United
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So I'm going by this and I
didn't smell anything, I didn't hear

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anything. I just felt like,
oh, I just got to get home.

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I don't know if it was trying
to make me scared, and I

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know that's kind of the way that
they operate. They just want you to

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know that they're there, which they
definitely did. So I'm driving by this,

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and I think it was watching me
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I don't think it followed me home. I don't think that it was

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out to get me. But I
just know how high this thing was,

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and I knew if it really really
wanted to, it could get me no

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problem. I mean, the muscles
I could just see, you know,

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kangaroo has muscles, It's very powerful. And then you add on the dog

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trades. It had pointy ears.
It just looked like a mixture of both,

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and it looked very, very powerful. So yeah, like I said,

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I was not trying to stop and
investigate. I was all my way

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home. I was trying to get
home safely, and I didn't feel anything

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driving home. But the whole time, I'm like, did I just see

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that? I wasn't sure. I
felt very uncertain. I guess I doubt

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it myself. And when I did
get home, I was hustling a little

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bit with the bags, trying to
get them all in. I was trying

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to take in all of the area
because, like I said, like I

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didn't think it followed me home,
but I know these things are fast.

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I know that they're all over and
I was not trying to get involved in

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any Like I guess, nothing happening. When I did get home, I'm

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like, you guys will never guess
what I saw. And it was kind

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of pushed off as a joke.
And I wasn't drinking, I wasn't smoking,

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like you shouldn't drive in any of
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from a shopping trip and this happened. And I guess until I heard the

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podcast of the girl about her mom
seeing a kangaroo, I didn't really start

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putting. I thought it was just
crazy. I thought like my mind was

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just seeing things, like you know, it's it's dark out in November early,

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but I just thought it was I
don't know, my brain was trying

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to make it to where. I
guess it wasn't like going through like a

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shock or something. So I had
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How many people did you tell about
that experience? I told my probably about

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five people. I told my aunt, my husband, and then my three

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cousins. There's nothing worse than having
an eyewitness as an experience like that,

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and they reach out to friends and
family and everyone just laughs at them.

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No one takes them seriously. I
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But did it strain your relationship with
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Not at all. We laugh at
each other all the time. There's some

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things he's told me, and I
guess I've laughed at him, and we

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joke a lot, and I don't
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he was supportive, but he was
like a kangaroo. And I'm like,

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yeah, and he's like a kangaroo, and I'm like, I know this

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sounds crazy. I feel crazy,
But I mean eventually, like when I

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told him about this podcast, I
made him listen to this podcast the whole

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way through. And as soon as
this girl said that her mom saw this

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kangaroo, that's when he's like,
oh my god. He's like, are

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you serious, And I'm like,
I told you, I told you I

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saw something. So he believes you
now, Oh, definitely, definitely.

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Oh good. They'st out quite a
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when you saw it? I was
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from when I saw this. Yeah, it's like pretty much a straight run,

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but it's all curvy. It's like
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and then you were going up like
a mountain and there's windy like turns and

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everything. There's no street lights.
It's very dark, like their land backs

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up to the Smith Mountain Lake.
Damn. It's like five miles away from

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the house. So it's very desolate, I mean compared to Jersey. To

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me, it's very very like essolate
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in the woods and not see anybody
or hear anybody for miles. So you

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were close to home when this happened. For anyone listening to the show tonight

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who thinks that you just saw a
small tree and misidentified at Brittany, What

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would you say to them about that? I don't know. Maybe you have

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to reevaluate where that tree is or
you know where I've tried to make sense

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of this, and it's the middle
of a field. There's nothing in this

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field. There's barely any hay bows. I don't know. Maybe sometimes it's

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not just your imagination, maybe it's
actually something out there. Well, that

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right there precludes a chance it could
have been a small tree. So much

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for that? How much trouble if
you had coming to terms with that experience.

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I'm still having a hard time getting
a beat on that. It's definitely

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made me more cautious, I guess, maybe even afraid of the things that

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could be out there. I know
I definitely saw something. I know it

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was not something that they teach you
in science books and high school. There's

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nothing that teaches you about this at
all. It's definitely made me more thoughtful

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to I guess the paranormal. I
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Well, have an experience like that
when normally have that effect on you have

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you had any trouble with nightmares?
Dude, that experience not really any nightmares,

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I guess, just the general like
I think something's coming after me.

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I'm in the woods. Something's like
there. That's about it. As far

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as like like nightmare dreams about like
dog men and stuff, No, thank

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god, because I don't think that
would be fun. But yeah, just

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like the general like something's there and
I have to be careful kind of dreams.

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Well that's a good thing, Thank
Goodnessten. I hope you never do

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have any nightmares about them. What's
about time for us to get out of

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here, Brittany. But before we
do, do you have any clothes in

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comments you'd like to share? Not
really. I just hope this, I

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don't know, maybe gives somebody else, maybe this could be their way of

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telling about their experience, because I
don't know. Until I heard somebody else

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say something, I would have kept
quiet. Yeah, it takes a lot

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of courage to come out and talk
about an experience like that. Got a

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give them credit for doing that,
and of course I have to give you

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as well, So I'm really impressed
that you have. But having said that,

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I can't thank you enough for coming
on and sharing the details of that

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experience with us. I really appreciate
it. Yeah, thank you for having

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me. Oh, you're welcome.
Thanks again so much, and have a

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great night. Tonight's second guest is
Brandon. Welcome to the show. Hi,

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Vick, thanks for having me on. Well, thanks so much for

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coming on. We appreciate your time. Brandon. Please give us a brief

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file on yourself. I am a
construction supervisor and I'm from Indiana, married,

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got four kids, and I also
have recently started looking into these weird

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crypto phenomenons and other instances of people
have had. Kind of my experience led

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me into looking into these type of
things. So I kind of started out

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last year doing a podcast into this
stuff, and recently I stumble across this

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podcast. And I've always kind of
kept my story to myself because the stigma

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that involves of not really talking about
these things. But I've got to the

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point where I can't expect other people
we'll talk about their encounters if I'm too

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afraid to talk about mine. So
that's kind of why I reached out to

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you and wanted to share my experience. Well, it goes without saying we're

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so glad you decided to do that, So thank you. Thank you for

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having a platform for people like me
to come on here and talk about it.

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Well, you're welcome. Before you
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us about tonight, Brandon. Would
you describe yourself as having been a skeptic

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or open minded. I've always been
a skeptic that wants to believe, if

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that makes any plausible sense to someone. Basically, I've always been interested in

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paranormal monsters, whatever. I grew
up as a kid that loved the X

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Files, so I've was familiar with
all sorts of stuff, but I never

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really took it as true. I
just more or less thought it was just

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made up stuff. Or people would
solve ghost or big Foot or something like

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that, the Logness monster or I
was like, oh, it be awesome

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if that stuff was real, but
I never really took it as real.

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There's nothing wrong with being a skeptic
in a lot of cases. It's a

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good thing. Have you become less
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an extent, yes, I still
remain skeptical on a lot of things,

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just because I don't know if it's
me personally just not wanting to think about

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the possibility that these things are real. But more so in the last couple

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of years, I've opened up to
the possibility that there are a lot more

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instances where people encounter things that aren't
necessarily misidentifications, that they're actually seeing what

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they say they're seeing. Well,
I don't need to tell you whether it's

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convenient or not for them to be
real. They are. They're definitely out

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there. And you know that now
now that you had that experience, and

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speaking of that, do you live
what you'd consider to be a compromised life

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now that you've had that encounter,
wouldn't say compromised. It's always been in

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the back of my head, and
I just kind of compartmentalized it to where

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I never really thought about it.
It wasn't up until within the last year

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and a half to two years that
I really kind of mentioned it to someone,

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just because, again, there's that
stigma of people thinking that you're crazy

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or something, or you're a liar
or anything like that, and that's definitely

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not what I'm about. So I
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But I don't think it's affected me
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others, and I know they struggled
with it really bad, and for me,

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I just kind of it made me
start looking into things more. But

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it wasn't so much to where I
was open about. It was just more

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or less it piqued my interest.
But at the same time, I've always

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tried to rationalize it and like understand
what I saw, And maybe what I

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saw wasn't where it I actually saw, But I feel like whatever it was,

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I'm trying to rationalize it into like
a logical sense, and I've just

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gotten to the point to whereever it
was, it was not logical. I

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cannot explain it away. So I
start to open up more about it,

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to accept that what I saw is
what I saw. I'm glad you decided

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to open up like that eventually.
Isn't it a shame you have to worry

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about how family and friends are going
to respond if you try to tell them

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about the experience. That's horrible.
People are not very open minded. It

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doesn't seem like a lot of them
are shut off, and the first time

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you bring up something that isn't wouldn't
be considered normal by most people, they're

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looked at funny or laughed at.
Or ridiculed or And that's why a lot

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of people would have these sort of
experiences won't say anything about it because they

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don't want to deal with the aftermath
of that. Oh, sure, it's

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understandable that they would do that,
they would hold those experiences to themselves,

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but it really is a shame they
have to worry about that sort of thing.

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Did seemed definitive proof that dogman exist
have any effects on the aspects of

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your life that most people wouldn't expect. It's made me a little bit more

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concerned with being out at nighttime and
even so much in the day. I'm

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not one to be afraid of the
dark or anything like that, but where

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I live now, it's not too
far from where the encounter I had was,

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and where I have to go out
and deal with our goats or our

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chickens or whatever. At nighttime,
I'm always make sure I got my phone

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light on or something. Just in
the back of my mind. There's always

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not so much like fear, but
I'm always a little bit more cautious of

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what I'm doing, just because you
never know at this point what's around the

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corner. Once bitten twice shy,
Yeah, that's understandable. How close exactly

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are you to the place where that
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Oh, that's close. Has anything
happened after that encounter that makes you think

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it might have followed you home?
Nothing that I can really say. So

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There's been other issues here and there, but it's nothing that I've ever seen

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or experience. We've had at our
house now since we moved back here in

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twenty twenty, we've had random animals
be killed and they're not eating or they're

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just killed. We've had rabbits they're
just laying out killed. We've had other

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animals like our birds, our chickens
have been killed. It's weird because nothing's

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been eating on them. They're just
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So I don't know what that would
be. It's like to me, if

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it was a predator or a coyote
or something like that, you would have

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thought it would have took it away, eating it, not just killed and

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left it. Yeah, I agree. If it was a predator, you

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don't expect them to just leave it
there. So it does make you wonder

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might have been a sasquatch. You
never know. Yeah, I've often thought

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about how we don't really know what's
around So anytime I go out there,

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especially with my kids out there or
anything like that, I've always got that

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down in the back of my mind
or a little bit of paranoia. I

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guess that there's corn fields around us. We don't know what's going to come

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walking out of the corn field.
We don't know what's going to come stepping

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over from behind our barn. So
there's always that little bit of fear in

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the back of my mind that there's
something out there. You're only human,

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it's only natural you'd feel that way. You found out about an eye witnessed

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who hadn't encountered just a few miles
from where you live, What can you

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tell us about their experience? Well, I come across your show and someone

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to recommended this episode four oh three
of Dogma Encounters, so I listened to

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it, and he happened to be
from the same town as Peru, Indiana.

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And I've been able to actually talk
to him or find out who he

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was or whatever. But his experience
it's not too far from the area of

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where mine was, and obviously his
was back in nineteen ninety, but it

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might happened in two thousand and seven, so it was a seventeen year difference.

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But I thought it was strange that
from what I saw, and just

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knowing that obviously someone else experienced something
similar seventeen years beforehand, it really piqued

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my interests because again I wrote off
for almost fifteen years at what I saw

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wasn't really what I saw had been
something else, had to be something explainable,

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and knowing that other people have seen
the same type of thing in the

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same general area really made me start
looking into things more. He's sure it

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would be nice if you could explain
it away, but you saw what you

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saw, and that's all there is
to it. Yes, all right,

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Brandon, Please tell us about your
encounter. Now, give us every last

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detail that comes to mind. Okay. It was in February of two thousand

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and seven. I worked night shift
at a paper warehousing place to where we

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stocked paper for a company, and
the day shift boss was on vacation that

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week, and our boss decided she
did not want to be there all night,

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so she let us leave about an
hour and a half to two hours

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early, so it would have been
about four thirty to five o'clock in the

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morning, and as we're leaving.
There's just several of us that worked on

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there. I believe there was like
maybe four of us. And we left

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the warehouse. I get on the
main road and then I turned down the

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county road. Now one of my
co workers, he was in front of

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me, and he was driving too, and he was probably about a thousand

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feet front. Now, on the
north side is more or less just farmland,

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but on the south side of this
area it used to be a deer

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preserve, so they had big,
tall, ten foot fencing that ran all

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the way down around this corner.
So we were driving down this road and

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we get up to an area where
there's some woods, but it's not like

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a super big wooded area, but
there's a decent amount of woods to the

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south, so it'd be on my
driver's side, and I noticed his tail

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lights. He hits his brakes so
they light up, and I seem to

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swerve off to the northern end of
the roads. Basically he kind of went

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down into the grass and shot back
out and kept on driving. And the

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first thing I'm thinking of is what
is this guy doing, Like did a

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deer run out in front of him? Or is he just not paying attention.

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This was back in two thousand and
seven, so it's not like someone

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had been on their smartphones scrolling through
things not paying attention like it's before that

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time. And as I started to
get closer to where he was, I

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see this black figure in the middle
of the road, but it's walking,

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and it's in an upright position,
but it's kind of leaning forward. And

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the first thing I thought of as
I had gotten close to it was I

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thought it was a tall person wrapped
in a big black blanket because I couldn't

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see a head and I didn't see
any arms, but I could definitely see

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an upper body with legs. Now
I didn't I don't remember. I can't

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process what the feet looked like.
I didn't Obviously, this all happened within

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a few seconds, so I'm just
trying to figure out why someone walking in

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the middle of the road in the
middle of the night. So as I

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got closer, I too I had
hit my brakes and go over to the

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side of the road to avoid whatever
this was, but I had slowed down

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to the point to where I was
almost stopped, and the thing was walking

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in a swaying pattern almost like I
describe it as when you see those blowers

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at a car dealership, Basically the
air blows them up and they just sway

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in the wind. That's kind of
how the sway of this thing was.

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When it was walking. It would
sway from side to side like as it

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took steps, and it was still
leaning forward quite a bit. Now,

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I'm driving a nineteen ninety eight Ford
Explorer, and the height from the driver's

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seat obviously to the window, I
kind of measured things to try and figure

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out distance, and it's about five
and a half feet roughly. Whatever was

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walking past my driver's side window.
I never saw the top of it,

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and it was still leaning forward,
so I'd guestimating that it's probably over seven

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feet tall. Again, I did
not see arms or ahead, and I

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couldn't see any actual details of the
body other than just a black mass in

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two thick legs, and I got
behind the vehicle my tail I'd illuminated it

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and I could definitely see two really
thick legs that it took two steps.

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And then at that point I trump
on the gas and got out of there

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because I don't know what's going on, and like nothing was making sense at

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this point. Well, my co
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down the road and he'd started to
turn around, so I pulled in next

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to him, and as I rolled
down my window to talk, he was

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clearly scared. His eyes were all
bulgeality, yelling profanities and asking if I

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saw it whatever, what was it? I told him, I'm not sure.

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He said it didn't have a head, which I can confirm I did

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not see a head either, and
we just have no idea what this thing

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was. So I decided we should
probably go back and look, just because

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clearly this is not something that normally
would happen. Me being somewhat curiosity,

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I would like to know what I
just saw. So he decided he would

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follow behind me. So I went
out in front and we started driving back

408
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:15,719
down the road. And it's only
maybe a quarter mile down this road from

409
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,760
where we'd pull off that so it's
not too far. And I see a

410
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:25,679
black dog looking figure lane in the
middle of the road, and as we

411
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,760
approached, I can make out more
as like a list's like a dog.

412
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:36,480
So the first thing I'm thinking,
as well, maybe he hit a dog

413
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:39,079
or I don't know. I didn't
hit anything. I know I didn't,

414
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:45,039
but my brain won't process why there's
now a dog lane in the middle of

415
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:47,599
the road. It's clearly not as
big as whatever was walking, so I

416
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:51,559
didn't put two and two together that
this could have been the same thing.

417
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:58,000
It just again like it's all happened
so quickly that I just couldn't think straight.

418
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:01,679
Basically, I start to get out
of my vehicle because clearly it looks

419
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,679
like there's an injured animal in the
middle of the road and there's no real

420
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:12,440
way of going around unless again we
drive off into the grassy area. And

421
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,559
as I start to get out,
my co worker decides to start yelling at

422
00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:20,159
me to get back in because we
don't know what's walking down the road.

423
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:22,039
We don't know what this thing is, what am I doing? Calling me

424
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:29,320
crazy whatever. As and I start
to walk towards this creature, its head

425
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,559
sits up and looks back at me. Now it was lane directly across the

426
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:38,440
road, not like long ways,
but basically like as long as it could

427
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:42,719
from side to side, so it
made it to where it's hard to get

428
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,920
around it one way or the other. And it was facing the opposite direction

429
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,840
from where I was walking, so
it was looking the way we had been

430
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:58,519
driving, and as it turned around, its eyes were glowing yellow at me,

431
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,760
and I think that it's the eyes
shine from the headlights. That's how

432
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,719
my brain processes, because every animal
obviously their eyes will low once it hits

433
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:15,360
the headlights because it's still dark outside. And as we are watching, like

434
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,960
he stills big alarm walking. I
stopped because the thing sets its head up

435
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,280
and as the eyes are going it
growls at me. It's a really deep,

436
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:29,079
rumbling growl. So I stopped dead
in my tracks, and basically this

437
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,159
sting. Besides, it's going to
stand up, but it's not trying to

438
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:36,320
stand up like a normal dog.
It stands up on its hind legs.

439
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,840
I did not notice any of the
hands or anything like that. It looked

440
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,400
to me like it still was a
normal dog. It didn't have like fingers,

441
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:52,159
the legs didn't look humanoid or didn't
have arm like. It still looked

442
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:54,960
like a normal dog. But I've
never seen a dog just stand up on

443
00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:00,039
its back legs like a person.
And it didn't stand up to where it

444
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:05,440
looked like it was having any real
issues to stand up on its hind legs.

445
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,599
So when it stood up, it
kind of hollled around, it fell

446
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:13,639
back down, and then it trotted
off on all fours or what appeared to

447
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:16,719
be all fourced down into the grass
area where the trees are now where that

448
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:22,079
area is where that ten foot fence
would be, So I'm not sure how

449
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:24,159
it would have completely just went down
there and disappeared, but we've never seen

450
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:29,760
it once it went in there,
so I don't know if it popped the

451
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,360
fence, went through a fence,
climbed under a fence, or just straight

452
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,880
up disappeared, but we couldn't see
it anymore. And as we noticed that

453
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,760
it was gone, he decided he
would actually get out of his vehicle and

454
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,960
he walked up to me, and
we're trying to figure out what just happened,

455
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:52,559
because clearly that is not normal,
Like, we don't know what this

456
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:59,880
is. From what I saw,
it looked like a typical wolf style body,

457
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:04,000
like a German shepherd type body and
head, but it's fur was really

458
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,400
puffy, almost like a chow.
So just laying there, I thought it

459
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:13,239
was just a normal dog, just
a big dog, But when it stood

460
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:19,000
up and looked at me, I
just didn't feel like this was normal obviously,

461
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:22,639
because again, dogs don't stand up
on two legs, and if they

462
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:28,599
do, it's I don't know.
So I'm trying to process everything that is

463
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:32,239
going on. So as we're talking
about this, I happened to notice down

464
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:40,519
by my foot there's a field mouse. And I see mice every once in

465
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:43,960
a while run across the road here
and there. We live out in the

466
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,840
country. Obviously there's fields and everything
around, but this was in the winter,

467
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:52,800
and there obviously wasn't really any fields
going on. Everything had been harvested,

468
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,400
everything being cut down. But it's
just standing there and it's washing its

469
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,280
face with its two front paws,
so it's in a right position, but

470
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,719
it's kind of sitting with its tail
behind it, and it's taking its two

471
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,960
front paws and just wiping its face
and rubbing its head and around its ears

472
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:15,519
like it was cleaning itself. So
I nudged it with my foot just to

473
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:21,000
try and see if it would like
scamper off or anything like that, and

474
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:28,239
it didn't really matter. Basically,
it just kept cleaning itself. And as

475
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,679
it was cleaning itself, it kind
of creeped me out even more that there's

476
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:35,880
a mouse standing here with us,
of wrapping a conversation right between us,

477
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,559
like it's involved in our conversation.
Obviously it's not speaking to us or whatever,

478
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:42,559
but it's not afraid of us and
has no problem that I just touched

479
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:46,840
it, and it just goes about
it's business like it's no big deal.

480
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,760
It's just going to keep cleaning itself. The whole time we were there,

481
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,119
I don't know how to describe it
other than it just felt weird, Like

482
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,320
the whole situation obviously was strange that, like the air itself just didn't feel

483
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,480
normal. Obviously it was winter,
it was kind of cold, brisk out,

484
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,920
like just in this area. I
don't know how to describe it other

485
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,039
than it didn't feel normal, like
it wouldn't feel like when I was talking

486
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:17,880
to him further down the road.
It was almost it was like a heaviness

487
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,199
in this area that we're in.
And that's the only thing I can really

488
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:27,639
think of how to describe this,
a weird heaviness in this area. But

489
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,599
we decided that we're going to go
about our own ways. So he went

490
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:36,559
towards his house and I went across
the highway over towards my house, and

491
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:40,920
I went to bed when I got
home, because obviously I worked third shifts.

492
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,039
I wanted to get some sleep,
and I had woken up the next

493
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:50,599
morning. I kind of drew a
sketch of what I had saw, and

494
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:57,639
then I got online. I started
browsing through old forums or whatever for like

495
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:04,239
cryptids or any type of dog,
werewolf, whatever type of things, because

496
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:09,440
at the time I'd never even heard
of a dog man. And I'd scanned

497
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,079
this photo that I drew into a
group and asked if anyone's ever seen anything

498
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:17,559
like this, and someone says it
looks like a Michigan dog man. Because

499
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:21,639
that's when I started looking into,
well, what's a Michigan dog man?

500
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,199
And then I started seeing more things
and learned of the Beast of Gray Road

501
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,800
encounter and some of the other stuff. And I went back to work,

502
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:34,880
and I don't remember if it was
the following night or that could have been

503
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,119
the weekend. It was two nights
later, but I just know the next

504
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:42,280
time we went to work, I
went up to him with what I had

505
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,880
drawn, and those at our binge
where we had all set before work started,

506
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:51,960
and the other people that worked would
have started laughing once I'd showed him

507
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,760
what I drew and was talking about
what it was. So he pulls me

508
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,400
to a side and said that I
needed to shut up talking about what we

509
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:06,320
saw because he doesn't want people thinking
we're crazy or he's crazy or anything like

510
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,159
that. So anything that happened,
he's just going to deny and say that

511
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:15,039
he didn't see anything because he doesn't
want to be known as someone seeing crazy

512
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:20,639
monsters or whatever. So I needed
to just drop it and not talk about

513
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:25,360
it. So that was honestly the
last time I've even really brought it up

514
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:35,360
to anyone, because I didn't want
to be telling people a story and being

515
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,039
think that I'm lying about it because
the guy that also saw it was now

516
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:43,679
saying he didn't see anything because he
didn't want to be involved in it.

517
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:50,239
But for fifteen years, I pretty
much kept that to myself up until I

518
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,639
would say in the winter of twenty
twenty one, and I just so happened

519
00:42:53,679 --> 00:43:01,400
to brandomly tell a co worker who
didn't laugh but didn't acknowledge much of it,

520
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:07,239
and I kind of felt a little
bit better when I had mentioned it,

521
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:12,159
just because for so long I'm not
really talking about it, And then

522
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:20,480
it got me wanting to look into
more details and find other people who could

523
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,920
have possibly had the same type of
experience that I did, but I didn't

524
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,920
know how to go about doing that, so I just started looking around and

525
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:32,840
trying to come about more information and
what I was looking for. I started

526
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:44,159
watching these Dogman documentaries and basically come
to the point where I can't rationalize basically

527
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:47,440
what I had saw. So it's
almost as if I have to accept the

528
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,920
fact that what I saw was actually
what I saw, because for so long

529
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,920
I just said it was obviously it
was a dog. Maybe he was playing

530
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,840
with this mouse, he was jumping
around, That's why he looked taller,

531
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:02,559
and maybe he was hurt, and
that's why he tried to stain on his

532
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:07,880
back legs and his front legs wouldn't
work, and he's actually hit and did

533
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:12,039
mess him with this mouse, and
the mouths are traumatized. I just whatever

534
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:15,599
rational explanations I could come up with, that's why I basically said happened for

535
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:21,360
all those years, And that to
me even sound just as weird and unbelievable

536
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,639
as my actual story does. But
I don't know how else to explain it

537
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:30,760
other than I saw what I saw, and to this day, I don't

538
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:36,480
know what it was, but what
it was was not normal and that's just

539
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:39,719
where I'm at today listening. It
a shame that you can't just openly talk

540
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,800
about and experience like that with anyone
that you want to without fear of being

541
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:50,840
ridiculed. Yeah, that's it's one
of those things to where it's verry taboo.

542
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,199
I guess for a lot of people, and I think there's a lot

543
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:58,400
of others who've actually had these experiences
themselves that even if you would bring it

544
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,719
up that you had a similar experience, that they're still afraid to even say

545
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,360
they had one, because again,
they don't want that ridicule that they're going

546
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,239
to get from the mainstream of people, because that's just the mindset that everyone's

547
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,880
into. These things aren't real,
and anyone the season are clearly crazy.

548
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,519
At this point, I'm not worried
about the backlash. People can say what

549
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:20,639
they want to say. I know
what I saw. If you believe me

550
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:22,880
or if you don't believe me,
it really doesn't matter because in the back

551
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:28,280
of my mind, I know what
I saw, and now I know that's

552
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,960
right now. You do know you're
about four miles from home when you had

553
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:38,679
that encounter, But how far from
the warehouse was that? Probably two miles.

554
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:42,880
It's just on the outskirts of town. It's on the northern part of

555
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,039
town, so not too far from
where the actual county fairgrounds is. It's

556
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:52,960
on that fairgrounds road that we have. And again, the whole area there's

557
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,079
a big deer preserve, well it
used to be announced not the whole area

558
00:45:55,159 --> 00:46:00,320
is not the deer preserved. They
used to have scheduled hunting and stuff out

559
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,360
there, But so that whole area
is basically fenced off, and it's a

560
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:10,159
big two to four square mile area
that they had completely ten ft fenced all

561
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:15,360
the way around, so no one
really can know it was pining or out

562
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,840
there. Obviously the all wooded and
everything else with access to it was very

563
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,559
limited. Is there much in the
way of moving water in that area?

564
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:30,199
Just less than a mile to the
north is a Hill river and just about

565
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:32,800
another mile or a mile and a
half to the south of the Wabash River,

566
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,039
and both run right through in Miami
County, so it's kind of right

567
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:42,840
in the dead center of both of
them. I see. Well, if

568
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,599
that's the case, having the Wabash
right there in that deer preserve, that's

569
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:52,000
a dog mean sanctuary, then yeah, that's kind of where I'm thinking.

570
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:57,880
It's just this whole area in general
is like a prime spot for any type

571
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,599
of animal that we're not aware of, or any time ye of creature,

572
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:06,199
just because we have two sources of
water. There's a lot of farm land,

573
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,480
but there's also a lot of wooded
areas and undisturbed areas, So it's

574
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:16,679
definitely a place to where anything could
be out there that we're not one hundred

575
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:21,679
percent sure about. Oh, I'd
say, so, yeah, that's the

576
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,159
perfect place for it, dog me
and to hang out. When you saw

577
00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:28,559
that big creature walking down the road, swinging side to side the way it

578
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:34,719
was, would you describe its movements
as being smooth or jerky? It was

579
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,880
kind of a smooth but unnatural look. It didn't look like it was having

580
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:45,480
trouble walking. It just didn't look
like a normal stride of anything that I

581
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:50,239
can relate to it. It was
like wispy type of guess, like it

582
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,880
would just kind of flow with the
wind. It didn't look it didn't look

583
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:58,440
real. I guess that would be
the way like which you would see something

584
00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:02,639
walking. It just had too much
of a sway to it to be normal.

585
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,519
I don't I guess that's in my
way I can come about it.

586
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:12,719
Is it just it didn't look like
it was jagged or twitching or anything like

587
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,280
that. It just was just moving
very unnatural. I must have really gotten

588
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:22,639
near motor running when you saw that. Yeah, I'd relay it when I

589
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:25,079
tell a story. I'm trying to
revisualize in everything, and I'm sitting here

590
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:29,119
thinking about it. I was like, there's no way I can explain this

591
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,480
in the details that I need to
without because I can visualize that, I

592
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:37,519
can see it, but there's really
no way of really describing it, becauseine

593
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:42,679
it is the only way to actually
understand what I'm saying. So it's hard

594
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:47,039
to hard to translate that over Well, I'm sure it is. How would

595
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:53,960
you describe the contour of its Torso
it was round and thick, it almost

596
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:59,639
was. I didn't see like muscle
mass or anything like that, but it

597
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:04,800
had like what you would think of
like it widened up towards the top,

598
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,719
like it looked like it would have
should have had shoulders and arms, obviously,

599
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,480
because the legs were thick, and
then it kind of got a little

600
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:15,719
bit narrower, and then it thickened
back up and then as it was leaning

601
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:21,199
forward. I can only see like
a top black and then it just stopped.

602
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,280
So whatever's walking like, I didn't
see arms, and I didn't see

603
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:29,199
a head, but clearly there should
have been something in that area where it

604
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,760
arms and a head would be,
but there was just there was nothing.

605
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,159
So I don't understand how a set
of legs and torso are just kind of

606
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:43,639
walking in the robe without being able
to see a head or arms or anything

607
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:45,559
like that on the top part of
it. To me, it's just I

608
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:50,840
don't know. I said that it's
hard for me to describe this, and

609
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:53,440
as I talk about it, the
skeptic in me is like, this cannot

610
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,840
be true. There's no way you
saw this. But I'm not the only

611
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,519
one that saw it. If the
guy that i'd worked with had not said

612
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:05,800
that something like I didn't have a
head and he like he confirmed what I

613
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,719
had saw, I would have probably
wrote it off as I just didn't get

614
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,519
a good look at it. The
fact that he saw exactly what I saw

615
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,280
reaffirmed to me that, Okay,
we got to go back and look at

616
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,840
this thing because this is not right. There's something wrong and there's something weird

617
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,960
going on it. For whatever reason
I wanted to go back and make sure

618
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:29,880
that I saw what I saw because
what I saw is too fantastical to be

619
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:36,239
true. It's too fantastical to be
true, but unfortunately it is. How

620
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,440
close did you get to it?
From what I can remember, I'm pretty

621
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,760
sure my mirror actually bumped into the
side of it as I was trying to

622
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:51,400
drive past it, so it was
really really close. And like I said,

623
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:57,159
I it was taller than the window
of my vehicle on my vehicle,

624
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,599
about five and a half feet,
so I never saw the top of it,

625
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:02,480
even though it was hunched forward,
because it was leaning forward by quite

626
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:09,119
a bit when it was walking,
and with it hunched over and being it

627
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:12,880
had to have been close to the
top of it would have been almost seven

628
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,840
foot still leaning over, so standing
completely upright, it had to have been

629
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,440
well over seven feet. Is there
any way? Due to lighting, it

630
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:24,119
being so dark out and sometimes being
closed makes it harder to see something.

631
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:28,440
Is there any way? It could
have just been hiding its arms somehow and

632
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:32,639
its head, and that's why you
couldn't see them. It's possible because the

633
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:37,519
way I've always thought about it and
described it was it looked like something was

634
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:40,119
wrapped like the upper part of it
was wrapped like wrapped around them like this

635
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:45,320
black. I said, a cloak
or a blanket like it was obviously it

636
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,159
was winter. So my first thought
process when I could see it in the

637
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:54,800
distance but my headlights, was obviously, there's a person strolling down the road,

638
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,840
stumbling down the road, whatever you
want to like haveever might brain with

639
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:04,400
process and it wrapped in like a
big black blanket. But as I got

640
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,000
closer, I like, well,
this is obviously too big to be a

641
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:10,400
person. And as I went around
it, it was definitely too big to

642
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:15,079
be a person. But it is
possible that the upper part of it was

643
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:21,039
wrapped with something black. But it's
the same color of the legs and everything,

644
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:25,119
like there's all the same black figure
like a black or a dark gray.

645
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:30,280
And it wasn't like a silhouette or
anything like that like they talked about

646
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:35,480
seeing through things or anything like that. Like it was solid. Because I

647
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:38,480
hit it with headlights. It was
next to my vehicle, I'm pretty sure

648
00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:44,440
it kind of bumped into the mirror
and my back tail lights illuminated it and

649
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:49,360
you could see between the legs as
it stepped, So whatever was there was

650
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,960
blocking off like it was solid.
It was blocking off the area as it

651
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:59,079
walked past. It wasn't anything that
wasn't actually there, obviously, it was

652
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:04,639
solid mass. That sure is a
hard one to explain. When you roll

653
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:07,079
it up next to it. Did
it ever make any movements? It gave

654
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:12,559
you the impression that it took notice
of you. No, That's one of

655
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:19,119
the things that I've often thought about
is it didn't try and stop when his

656
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,320
vehicle went around it. I guess
I didn't obviously see it at that point,

657
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,840
but if he had to swerved to
miss it, was clearly continuing to

658
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,559
walk in the middle of the road. And it didn't try to avoid me

659
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:32,159
either. It just kept going in
the same direction that I was, and

660
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:36,840
I had to avoid it. And
I'm thinking to myself, I would have

661
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,400
just stopped with it, had kept
walking right directly into it, because I

662
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,480
didn't even try and like step away
from where I'm trying to get around it.

663
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,480
It just kept going in the same
straight pattern. But obviously I guess

664
00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:51,599
it was swaying as it was walking, but it was still going in the

665
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:53,920
same pattern. Wasn't going from like
side of the road to the side of

666
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,559
the road. It was still in
the center of the road, but it's

667
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:00,519
upper body would sway to one side, and it's upper body another step.

668
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:04,599
Its way to the other side is
like just rocking as it was taking steps.

669
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,159
I can only imagine what it must
have been like to see that.

670
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,880
You said that you never saw its
head. Is it possible that its head

671
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,960
was down in front of its shoulders
so far that it shoulders concealed it somehow?

672
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:22,760
It's possible. Again, like I
said, I don't but being in

673
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,000
the vehicle, and obviously I couldn't
see the top of us that I walked

674
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,360
past, I don't necessarily know what
the upper part of it looked like because

675
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,760
I never really saw that upper part. I just saw what I could see

676
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,760
through the windows. I'm trying to
drive past this thing, still trying to

677
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:43,480
figure out exactly what it is,
because at that point my brain is just

678
00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:49,320
scrambling because it's all happened within like
a ten second window, and you're trying

679
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:55,360
to rationalize something completely what I would
I guess it would call crazy happening that

680
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:00,760
and you're trying to process is this
really happening? So I've always kind of

681
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:06,000
regretted not fully stopping and trying to
get a good look at it at the

682
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:12,199
same time that fight or flight fear
comes into play, and I just kind

683
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:17,079
of wanted to not figure out exactly
what it was standing literally a foot from

684
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:21,760
me. Now, please don't second
guess yourself. You did the right thing

685
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,440
by getting out of there. What
makes you so sure it was a dog?

686
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,960
Mean though, if you never saw
its head, arms, or hands,

687
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:32,760
that's where I'm not one hundred percent
sure of what was walking When I

688
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,559
first came up on it was the
same creature. Because when we went back

689
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:42,159
to see what was walking is when
we saw the dog, and then the

690
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:49,199
dog stands back up on two legs
and then tries to walk off, and

691
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,239
then it seems like it couldn't do
that, so it went back down on

692
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,159
all four But it's two front paws. I don't feel like they were actually

693
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:58,599
on the ground. I felt like
it kind of like hunched down, like

694
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:01,199
hunkered down, leaning forward, kind
of like how that thing was leaning forward

695
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:08,480
and then went down into the grassy
tree area. That to me is I

696
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:12,800
don't know how to like. Obviously, whatever was walking was a lot bigger

697
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,360
than the dog, the dog creature, or just we'll call it the dog.

698
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,480
It was bigger than the normal sized
dog, but it was nowhere near

699
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:25,679
as big as whatever was walking,
So I don't know how to correlate one

700
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,519
and the other. I don't know
if they were the same thing. I

701
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:34,400
don't know if they're all three related, if there's all just weird instances.

702
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,519
I just know that there was no
dog in the middle of the road about

703
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:40,199
two minutes before we went back down
there, So I don't know where the

704
00:56:40,199 --> 00:56:45,199
dog came from, and I don't
know where that creature went whatever was walking,

705
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,280
because it was not there. But
now there's a dog in the same

706
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:52,719
general area. Well, Unfortunately,
it sounds like there are a lot of

707
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,159
questions to that experience. It you're
never going to have the answers to.

708
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:00,239
I wish we did, but we
probably never will. When you saw that

709
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:05,119
smaller dog stand up on its hind
legs and run away, how far were

710
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:09,440
you from the bigger one at that
point, it was probably within the same

711
00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:16,280
fifty to one hundred feet from where
the original thing was walking. Again,

712
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:22,920
it's nighttime and there's just woods,
so it's hard to know exactly the exact

713
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,039
spot, but I would say it
was when within a hundred feet of where

714
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:31,320
the thing walking was that this creature
was laying down again. To me,

715
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:37,239
it looked like a normal dog.
I didn't see like the typical description of

716
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:42,719
like a dog man would have like
almost humanoid type hands with fingers like this

717
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,599
looked like it still had its paws. But when it stood up on its

718
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:50,440
hind legs, it didn't look like
a dog trying to stand up on its

719
00:57:50,519 --> 00:57:54,320
hind legs. Like it stood up
like it would normally be on hind legs

720
00:57:54,440 --> 00:58:00,559
and then went back down on all
fours. So that's that's where I'm my

721
00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:04,920
brain gets confused, because if this
was really a dog, why didn't looked

722
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,639
like it was okay standing on its
back legs. Probably because it was a

723
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:14,960
dog man. I can understand why
you would try to qualify it and second

724
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,239
guess yourself. But from what you've
told me about what it did is your

725
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:22,280
sounds to me like it was a
smaller dog man. As far as its

726
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:27,039
eyes go, do you see any
way that a normal dog or wolf's eye

727
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:31,639
could have glowed the way its eyes
did. The only thing I related to

728
00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:37,320
the glowing of the eyes was basically
the headlights hitting it. They were glowing

729
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,840
a yellow color and again, I
don't know if that's just from the headlights

730
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,239
or not. That's how I always
wrote it off as well. Obviously eyes

731
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:47,639
are going because it's an animal,
and the eyes are reflecting from eyes shine.

732
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:52,440
But they were really bright. That's
all I can really just say,

733
00:58:52,519 --> 00:59:00,000
Like, I don't know if that's
typical of an animal with headlights within fifty

734
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:04,320
feet from a mix your eyes really
glow really bright yellow, but these were

735
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,400
glowing like a bright yellow color.
Well, when you consider the fact it

736
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,480
stood up the way it did,
I can't see how it could have been

737
00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:15,039
just a dog or a wolf,
because there are dog men that looks unassuming.

738
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:19,519
Is just your run to the mill
dog or your run to the mill

739
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:23,119
wolf that has this ability to stand
up on its back legs and do it

740
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:25,800
in a way that makes it look
totally normal, like it does it all

741
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:32,400
the time, probably because it does. That's kind of where I always struggled

742
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:38,559
with it, because as much as
I didn't want to consider the fact that

743
00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:45,719
what I saw was obviously a dog
man, or before I knew what a

744
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:50,000
dog man even was like that night, I was like first thing anyone would

745
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:54,599
think of, like werewolf, because
that's the mainstream thing pushed out there from

746
00:59:54,639 --> 01:00:00,760
movies and everything else or werewolves.
I didn't have a feeling the fear from

747
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,960
it, if that makes any sense. Like I wasn't afraid even when it

748
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:07,559
stood up, I wasn't like afraid
of it. As I thought it was

749
01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:10,639
going to stand up and run at
me. It seemed like it was more

750
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,039
wanting to get out of there,
Like it growled at me to stop coming

751
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:19,360
towards it, and it stood up
the other direction. It didn't stand up

752
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,639
towards me. It stood up with
its back towards me, like it was

753
01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:24,400
going away from me. I felt
like, if it was actually wanting to

754
01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:28,960
attack me, I'm only fifteen feet
from it could have stood up and lunged

755
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,159
at me, and there's probably been
nothing I could have done. It made

756
01:00:31,159 --> 01:00:35,199
it pretty clear that it wanted to
get away from you. But I'm sure

757
01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:39,320
the pucker factors way up there still
and understandably sell. Yeah. I'm like,

758
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:46,159
again, I didn't feel overly terrified
because I'm still trying to process what

759
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:51,840
I'm actually seeing, Like it didn't
really nothing really clicked at that time,

760
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:57,639
Like I had to actually like sit
there think about it and try and rationalize

761
01:00:57,679 --> 01:01:00,880
it. And I played this scenario
over for so many years in my head

762
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:06,360
to try and explain it away,
and there's just no way of doing that.

763
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:08,639
Sure, it would be nice if
you could explain it away, but

764
01:01:09,199 --> 01:01:14,960
what happened happened, and that's all
there is to it. When the smaller

765
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,719
one stood up on its back legs, though, how tall would you say

766
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:23,280
it was? I'm six foot three
and it was probably close to my height.

767
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,960
I don't know. Like I said, if a dog stands up,

768
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,719
I have a German Shepherd and she's
not nearly as tall as me, so

769
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:36,559
it's still big for a dog,
but it wasn't like super seven foot tall,

770
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,880
eight foot tall at normally large,
so it's still within the realm of

771
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:46,960
large dog size. I guess,
well, not so fast. Very few

772
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,000
dogs are going to be that tall
when they stand on their back legs,

773
01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:54,800
even big dogs. So it's possible. Yeah, there are dogs that are

774
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:59,800
that tall when they stand up on
their back legs, but not many.

775
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,880
Before I ask for your closing comments, Brandon, please tell us more about

776
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:13,280
your podcast. Well, I started
this podcast and August of twenty twenty two,

777
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:20,599
and it's called Tinfoil Tales. Basically, what I do is I interview

778
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:25,679
guests for whatever experiences they've had.
It doesn't necessarily relate just to Dogman or

779
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:34,199
sasquatch, but it could be paranormal, to the UFO phenomena, anything that

780
01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:38,000
someone believes they've had experiences with but
they're too afraid to talk about it.

781
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:44,079
I give them a platform to discuss. I'm not there to prove or disprove

782
01:02:44,119 --> 01:02:49,960
anyone's claims or stories. I'm just
there to let them be able to tell

783
01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:54,440
their experiences without ridicule or fear of
whatever. I keep it anonymous if they

784
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,639
want to. If they want to
use their name, they can use their

785
01:02:57,719 --> 01:03:01,639
name, but we don't go into
great detail about who they are because I

786
01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:06,719
know a lot of people struggle with
coming forward, and I don't want them

787
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,440
being afraid to come on my show, just because I know how it feels

788
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,519
like to not want to talk about
things. Because I didn't tell my story

789
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:20,880
for fifteen years, and I just
I got a little bit of relief telling

790
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,119
my story to someone else, but
I still didn't want to tell mine publicly,

791
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:30,679
and I felt kind of hypocritical for
asking people to tell me their stories.

792
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:36,079
And I'm still reluctant to tell mine, so That's kind of why I've

793
01:03:36,119 --> 01:03:42,599
been more open to explaining what made
me start this podcast, because it helps

794
01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:47,920
me. Listening to other people's stories
kind of helps me feel like I'm helping

795
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,119
them, and that's what my goal
was, is to try and help them.

796
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:55,440
But it also I feel like it
does kind of help me except the

797
01:03:55,519 --> 01:04:01,599
strange activity encounter that I had had
and maybe in the back of my mind

798
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:08,000
gives me a little bit of closure, just because I don't feel like I'm

799
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:12,280
ever gonna have one hundred percent knowledge
what really went on that night, of

800
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:17,639
what really I saw other than what
I saw, And I've always been,

801
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:24,199
like I said, kind of skeptical, and this just makes it to where

802
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,880
it's easier for me to accept what
I saw, and I'm hoping it helps

803
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,320
other people accept what they saw too. I'm sure you are helping those eyewitnesses

804
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,920
by giving them a platform to do
that. That's great. How often do

805
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:41,360
you have dog Me and I witnesses
on your show. I've had a few.

806
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:47,719
One of the first guests I had
said that they'd encountered what they believed

807
01:04:47,719 --> 01:04:58,679
to be a dog man and his
story is a really fantastical story. Basically,

808
01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:02,119
they were traveling down in Georgia at
a high speed on a freeway and

809
01:05:02,199 --> 01:05:06,480
this thing I'm running across the median
and bumped into the tires of their car.

810
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:14,400
And I've had some other people that
have had the same thing. Like

811
01:05:14,719 --> 01:05:19,320
someone just recently said that him and
a lady were driving and it was standing

812
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:24,599
in the middle of the road,
but they drove through it and they could

813
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:28,760
fill the energy as they went through
it. But it looked solid, but

814
01:05:29,159 --> 01:05:32,239
they went through it and there was
no damage or anything. And I've had

815
01:05:32,239 --> 01:05:39,719
a couple other people with similar stories
too. Someone said that they'd heard that

816
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,760
their wife had heard their mother calling
out to them from the woods, but

817
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,599
it wasn't her, and then their
stepson had stepped on her his mom calling

818
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:49,000
out to him at like three am
in the morning wanting him to come outside

819
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:55,519
through the window, telling him through
the window come outside. And he wrote

820
01:05:55,519 --> 01:06:00,840
that off as possibly dog Man.
But I'm not one hundred percent it familiar

821
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:05,880
with all the dog Man's stories or
encounters, so I don't know, like

822
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:13,079
the I know there's a little bit
of stories where people say that that talks

823
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:18,360
to them like telepathically, They've said
things to them telepathically. I've heard the

824
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:27,039
same thing like a sasquatch. So
there's just so much out there. I

825
01:06:27,079 --> 01:06:30,719
don't know where to go with it. I guess I'm just starting to get

826
01:06:30,719 --> 01:06:33,239
my feet wet into the things.
It's only been a little over here.

827
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:38,239
I've really really started getting into things, and I've had all sorts of stories,

828
01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:45,320
from paranormals to alien type stuff.
And I don't necessarily I want to

829
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:49,559
say I believe everyone or don't believe
everyone, because I believe that everyone that's

830
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:54,400
telling me believes what they're telling me. So it's not my place to tell

831
01:06:54,440 --> 01:07:00,239
someone that they're wrong or what they're
telling me can't be possible, because for

832
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,239
fifteen years I even questioned myself.
So I know how what they're feeling like

833
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,760
coming on something on the show and
tell them a story to it's It's not

834
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:11,079
easy, No, it's not.
And it sounds to me like you've got

835
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:13,480
a really good show there. I'll
tell you what. I'm going to post

836
01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:15,840
a link to it in the description
for tonight's show, and that way I'll

837
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,800
make it that much easier for the
listeners to check it out, which of

838
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:24,239
course I hope they do. Yeah, I definitely appreciate that. Oh,

839
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:28,480
You're welcome, glad to do it. Well. Before we get out of

840
01:07:28,519 --> 01:07:31,920
here, do you have any closes
in comments you'd like to share for anyone

841
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:39,599
out there listening. If you've had
an experience and you're afraid to talk about

842
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:45,960
it, I understand wholeheartedly, But
people like VIC and myself now getting my

843
01:07:46,639 --> 01:07:49,760
foot in the door here of trying
to do podcast and stuff as well.

844
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:55,679
I didn't know the whole podcasting thing. I didn't know much about it when

845
01:07:55,679 --> 01:07:59,519
I started mine, and then I
realized there's obviously other people doing similar things,

846
01:07:59,559 --> 01:08:04,239
which is great. I just want
everyone to know that reach out to

847
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,840
Vic. If you've had a dog
man encounter, you can reach out to

848
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,639
me, you can reach out to
anyone else. But keeping it inside and

849
01:08:11,719 --> 01:08:15,720
bundled up and afraid to talk about
it, it doesn't really help because you

850
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:20,000
always have that inkling in the back
of your head. And at least for

851
01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:25,279
me, I feel like it is
better for others to hear your story because

852
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:29,720
it helps reaffirm to them that what
they experienced themselves is also similar to what

853
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:35,079
you've experienced, and we're never going
to learn anything by hiding it. So

854
01:08:35,119 --> 01:08:41,640
the more people come forward with their
experiences, the more chances that we end

855
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,680
up coover what's really going on?
Why? Is words? Very well said,

856
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,479
well, Brandon, I can't thank
you enough for coming on shooting the

857
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:55,039
details of those experiences with us.
I really appreciate it. Thank you,

858
01:08:55,159 --> 01:08:59,720
Vick. I appreciate what you do
and I'm glad to be a part of

859
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,199
it. Will you know you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and have

860
01:09:03,239 --> 01:09:03,880
a great night.