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of a week which is only available
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there's that. We got Mike Swanson
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material on some platforms. But anyway, enough of all that, we are

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live on a Friday, all the
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and then I'm leaving it up to
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whether we do an additional live show
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Not going to tell you what the
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additional two live shows that were planned
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anyway, up to you guys,
vote, let your voice be heard.

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Anyway, all that out of the
way, B Pete, how are you

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doing this week. Oh or and
during the first wave of the pollen attack.

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It's really been rough here. I'm
hoping for some rain to wash it

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away. But I walked out this
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the wind started blowing, and my
neighbor has got a wall of just massive

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pine trees and you could see the
pollen just coming out of it like someone

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was shaking dust out of a mop. Well, it's bad, see,

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because I'm just doing pretty good.
Yeah, because I'm just south of you.

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It was raining all day here,
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Okay, no pollen. They're calling
for sours tomorrow. But the little slight

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chance is it supposed to move from
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it was a pretty pretty good amount
of rain pouring on a well,

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it's going to dissipate and go past
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stuff off the edge of it.
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There's your weather report. So how's
all else doing there in the wonderful state

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of North Carolina? He was that
North Carolina or South Carolina? Where Trump

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said, uh uh, the one
guy is a MLK on steroids last week?

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Was was that your state? Or
was that South Carolina who was mixed.

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Yeah, I saw Mark Robinson.
He's running. He's the current lieutenant

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governor. He's running for governor.
And uh, I mean he's he's big

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in the church, and you know, he's he has said some things that

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set people off on it, well, sets liberals off on edge, because

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you know, he's more of the
traditional you know, man of the house

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that liberals around here just like to
flare up over and complain about. I

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mean, he's not really said anything
out well, he said some things that

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are questionable, not to have to
look him up, but things about the

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gay community and this and that,
and you know, he's more of a

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traditional values type conservative and that's what
Well, the fact that he's black and

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conservative is enough to piss off liberals
in North Carolina. That's all it takes.

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Well, and he's a hard Baptist, right, isn't he a straight

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up like hardcore Baptist. Yeah,
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and I mean he's done a good
job. I mean he's more of the

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physical conservative. Look, you know, let's worry about certain things before I'll

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give you an example. It took
this state fifteen years of arguing in a

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Republican led legislature about expanding Medicare,
and they finally did it this past year.

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But when it came to passing online
sports betting, that was done in

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about two months, everybody was in
agreement. So it just you know,

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he he, he has problems with
the priorities that are leg here in the

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state has and I agree with them
on a lot of it. But that's

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politics. Well, that's politics,
and that's money because look when it comes

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to right, you know, legitimizing
the gambling and then taxing it, you

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know that that's just free money that's
going to come into the states. So

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who's going to object to that,
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unless they're going to take some sort
of moral stance. But give me

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a breaker ready. With the gambling
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you know what the complaint The complaints
are more of a hypocritical stance. And

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that they'll a law, they'll allow
fan Duel and all these other companies to

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come in and be approved for online
sports betting. And the reason, and

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the governor said the reason, And
this is funny. We got a Democrat

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governor that was pushing for this to
get done before the ACC tournament that starts

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what next week, So you know, we're going through all of the conference

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tournaments right now and then AC seats
or the NCAA tournament basketball tournament starts next

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week, so they wanted to get
it done before that so he and his

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rich buddies could place bets no problem. But they have been slow. They

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have tied trying to open up casinos
and things like that. Well, in

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fact, that was this last argument. They were trying opening up and approving

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licenses for three more casinos. I
think it was three hooked onto the Medicare

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expansion bill, and some people that
are real close to top legislators in the

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States said, guys, you know
you're not looking at the optics of this.

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You need separate the two. Go
ahead and pass Medicare expansion and then

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worry about the gambling part of it. So they did that and Medicare passed,

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So they've expanded it in this state, which is something they fought for

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the longest time. They definitely needed
it though other than that, when it

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comes to betting, they're approving certain
licenses for things, but they still haven't

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tackled the problem with video poker machines
in the state. It's on a county

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by county basis. Technically they're against
the law right now. Technically anybody running

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one of those businesses cannot pay out
cash awards. So if you can't get

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cash awards, what's the point of
playing. It's just a hodgepodge of things

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that are being enforced and not being
enforced. And they're going, look,

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you want to put online betting,
let's deal with local stuff and go ahead

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and legalize those things. So that's
the next thing they're talking about is legalized

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video gambling throughout today. Yeah.
Now, see that was a question I

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had ten years ago when I lived
in North Carolina, is like, what

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the hell is the point of the
poker machine if you can't pay cash?

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You putting cash in? And then
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it seemed like a big secret.
You know, when I asked somebody,

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you know, randomly in a place
when I just walked in and they

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weren't familiar with me, I'd say, you know, how do you get

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paid? And they didn't want to
tell me. It was like, what

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do you get like store credit?
Well, how is that different? And

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oh, by the way, once
you get a store credit. You know.

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I used to see this by the
way in Jersey where they would have

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a thing it's like, oh,
we're not allowed to award cash, but

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we can give you a store credit. Now what you can do is cash

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in your store credit. Se create
an extra step, right, Oh yeah,

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we had one place here that gave
away certain sized teddy bears, and

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they would when they gave you the
teddy bear, it had a like a

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piece of paper pin to it,
and the amount was worth, you know,

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just a number, like if you
won three hundred, they drive three

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hundred on the post it notes stick
to it. Well, you could trade

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in the bear for three hundred dollars, or if you won fifteen hundred,

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it was a huge bear, or
it might be five bears, you know,

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at three hundred bucks a piece.
There were ways to get around it.

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Okay, Yeah, so like theoretically
you could just get a whole bunch

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of these bears and say that,
well, you know, here, you

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won the bear, but we're willing
to buy back your bear for one hundred

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bucks. Yeah, so we don't
have to keep ordering bears. That's pretty

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good. Well, who's going to
take home their bear? I mean,

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it's one thing to take home a
casino chip, but I mean a bear,

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you know, kind of funny.
I would cash in my bears before

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I left, you know what I
mean? Oh, definitely, definitely yeah

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so, but it's just funny when
you just see like weird loopholes like that.

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Any The bad thing is, though, is when they when in the

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counties that they enforce these rules.
When they go in and bust a place,

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they'll bust whoever's they're running it.
They'll charge them with operating a casino

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illegal casino they're not supposed to get. Most of these places, if you

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go in, they provide drinks and
snacks for the time that you're there,

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because a lot of people will go
in a house. Some nights I go

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in, I'll play for six hours, but sometimes it takes that long to

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get the machine to hit well.
So it's like, you know, they

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say anything up to give you benefits
of going in, and then talked about

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like getting around the smoking ban in
public places. All these bars went to

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private clubs where technically you pay them
a dollar for a membership. They give

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you a piece of paper with your
name on it and their name on it,

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and then they've beaten the law because
now they're a private club. Oh

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that's one thing the legislators did when
they ban smoking in public places like at

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the mall and restaurants and things of
that nature. Of course, they exempted

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their own country clubs from that because
they're private clubs. Well, these bar

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owners said, hey, we play
say Dan game. You know, well,

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we're on a private club. And
because we're a private club now we

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don't have to meet the the percentage
goal of food sales to qualify for a

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liquor license. So they kind of
shot themselves in the foot when they came

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up with that kind of legislation.
Yeah, definitely. So it's you know,

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it's a constant game here in this
state until the legislature gets off their

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button decides on something. So we're
hoping they'll settle the video poker issue here

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soon. I don't know, you
know, it's one of those situations though,

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we're guaranteed if somebody's really raking in
money and if you change the system,

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they wouldn't. Probably there's going to
be some resistance. That private club

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thing is funny to me too,
because just like you know, when you

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would go to like a Sam's or
a BJ's, or whatever, and they

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could issue you, you know,
a temporary member. Like That's what cracks

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me up, where it's like,
well, look, you have a membership

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for the weekend. You know,
even though we've never seen you before,

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We're going to make you a charter
or trial member, so you get a

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trial membership. You know. The
funny thing is, though, and I

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heard some guy point this out the
other day. You've testified before Congress,

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one of the representatives from Texas and
he'd been in the military, and he

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said there giving a speech and it
was talking about voter ID laws and he

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made the comment. He goes,
well, you know they say it's hard

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for African Americans to get IDs.
He said, I got eleven of them

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with me and you know, whipped
them out his military ideas, driver's license,

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a social Security card, blah blah
blah, all this stuff. And

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he said it's ridiculous to think.
He says, it's racist to think that

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black people are incapable of getting proper
identification because you need it for everything.

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And if you think he made the
comment, you got to have a card

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to get into two Oh what's the
other costco? He said, you have

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to have card to get in Sam's
club. He says, So if you

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can get those IDs, is I
think it's quite capable of getting a free

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ID that's given out by the state
and will actually mail it to you to

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be able to vote. Yeah,
but you know, being that I am

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currently trapped in a situation where I
do not have up to date ID,

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which is messed up because I didn't
get the Georgia's state ID. And now

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I'm kind of trapped because I can't
get a birth certificate or anything. I'm

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a little bit stuck. And this
does happen to people on occasion where you

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know, after a while, if
you're working the same job, you don't

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need to renew your ID. Nobody
needs an ID. Maybe you can't afford

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a car, so you don't have
a vehicle, you don't have a driver's

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license, you weren't in the military. A bunch of things go by,

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and your Social Security Card is not
supposed to count as ID, so you

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know, and I have that,
but it doesn't count. And you know

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what I'm saying, It's like you
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going to fall between the I'm not
saying that's the majority of people. I

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think most people end up with some
form of ID from somewhere that they can

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use the majority of people. But
occasionally, you know, like myself,

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Like I said, I thought they
weren't going to let me back on the

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bus when I was going to Dallas
in twenty seventeen because I got off to

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have a cigarette and they wanted to
check my ID against my ticket and I

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was like a problem, I don't
have an ID. You can read here's

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my North Carolina ID. And they
were just like, yeah, we can't.

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It's illegible. And I'm like,
yeah, well that's all I got.

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You're not going to leave me here
in Louisiana, are you? You

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know? Or it was it Louisiana
or Mississippi. It might have been Mississippi

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anyway, one of the stops where
I got to have a smoke on the

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way there. And I thought,
you're a good example, though you have

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an issue that's keeping you from being
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And about that later, I think
i'd talked to you about redoing your illegible

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North Carolina ID and then using that
to get a joy ID. But regardless,

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you you're in a situation where you
know you can't get a birth certificate,

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blah blah blah, you don't have
a driver's license, so then you

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fall back on other things. A
debit card. You know, technically just

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a security card is not supposed to
be used for ID, but they kind

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of I think they took that restriction
off a while back because now everybody uses

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it. I mean, that's how
they identify you when it comes to credit

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scores and things like. That's off
your social so you know you are denied

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one, But are you denied one
because of a racist reason? And that's

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what they fought so long for here
in North Carolina. They have fought every

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voter ID law that has come up
with. And there's what thirty some on

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states that have them now, But
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a voter ID law, you've got
these liberal groups immediately, even when they

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mentioned they're discussing it, they'll go
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and try to hang up using it. And my question has always been how

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somebody please explain to me and give
me an example of how requiring an ID

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to vote is racist? And your
objet to have anybody provide me with an

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example. Yeah, I don't understand
it either, because Okay, my problem

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comes from a couple of different issues
where I had, you know, paperwork

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that went bad and I don't have
a lot of standard things because I'm not

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eligible to have a driver's license,
right, and therefore it wasn't something that

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I maintained I did have an ID, and again I haven't had the need

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for it really because what am I
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So I sort of just fell out
out of you know, I fell into

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disrepair regarding my paperwork, and my
original birth certificate was lost and that's it,

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right, So I tried to go
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Now they want my Social Security card
but simultaneously tell me it doesn't count

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as ID. So I was like, well, I don't understand this.

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You wanted to back up my ID, but it's not ID, you know,

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And they're like, yeah, it's
like a piece of mail. A

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piece of mail isn't technically a piece
of ID, but it is something that

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goes towards your points for an ID. And I'm like, well, if

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it's part of what makes up an
ID, then what's the problem, you

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know? Anyway, I don't know
everybody's got different And here's the funny thing.

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Even though we have a standard understanding
of these things, you and I

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and we might read the rules,
we might read the law, we might

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read the whole thing. Right,
you go to a different state agency,

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and depending on who you're dealing with
in customer service, you get different results.

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I've had people get different answers for
the same question regarding these things over

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and over again. You know,
I got into that here when I went

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to a DMV about getting a real
ID. Now, that's something that really

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pisses me off. Back in two
thousand and five, that came up with

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this stupid real ID act right now, to get on a plane domestically,

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or to go overseas or anything,
or to get on a government base,

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like if I go with my brother
he's retired, if I go with him

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on the base, I have to
have a real ID or they won't let

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me on. Well, my driver's
license is issued from the state of North

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Carolina, but it's not a real
ID driver's license in that to get that,

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I have to show up with my
passport and all these other things to

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prove who the hell I am.
Now I've been driving in this state for

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a long damn time, you know, almost fifty years, and I've been

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licensed all that time. But now
all of a sudden, like the last

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time I wanted, I had to
renew my license with my new address before

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we went to Dallas. So I'm
in the office saying, Okay, what

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have I got to do this?
Oh, you have to make an appointment

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and you have to have all these
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I said, well, I've got
to get a new ID anyway. Well,

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but you can't do it without an
appointment, and we're booked up,

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so it's going to be at least
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in. And I'm going, this
is ridiculous that I'm restricted in where I

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can go in certain boades of travel
in the United States and not be able

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to use my legal ID. My
North Carolina driver's license is a legal ID.

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It can be taken by any government
agency. But now I have to

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spend more money and jump through all
these hoops just to get a super special

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North Carolina driver's license. My license
has got like five different damn holograms and

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everything else on it. It's one
of the hardest apparently to be able to

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just duplicate. But now you've got
to have the real ID because that proves

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that you really are who your real
ID says you are, believe it or

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not, opposed to your regular driver's
license, who you really says who you

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are. Believe it. It's ridiculous, yeah, believe it or not.

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One of the factors as to why
I ended up on the Greyhound bus as

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opposed to a train, because I
could have taken a train to Dallas,

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was that you needed a real ID
to get on the train. Yeah.

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Now they don't require that for the
bus necessarily, but you're we are supposed

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to give them some sort of ID
and your name ends up on a ticket,

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right, But outside of that,
it's not required that you have the

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real ID. But to use the
train, it's just like a plane pretty

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much. So that that's what I
was told by UH. I forget which

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thing it was or whatever. But
they were like, you're gonna you know,

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we require proof of real ID,
and I was like, yeah,

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I don't have that, so forget
it. I had my scratched up North

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Carolina. I d back there in
twenty seventeen. Still, so anyway,

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we do have callers and I know
we're not going to spend the whole night

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on real id and stuff, but
it is a point of interest. It's

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one of those things that keeps going
on. And oh, by the way,

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did you see the legislature now or
no, excuse me, not legislature,

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but the Supreme Court decision that says
that, you know, political figures

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have to allow critics, they can't
block their critics. Now. Did you

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see this? Yeah? I mean
that all? Okay, what that all

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came out of? Well? Who
was a Trump blocked and they took them

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to court to be able to I
don't know, that's ridiculous. I don't

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know. Was it the Trump thing
that triggered it or was it something else?

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So no, I think it was
the Trump thing that triggered the original

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case. He blocked somebody, and
somebody took him to court and they said,

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no, you can't do that,
and then he went ahead and unblocked

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him or something, and then it
got appealed. And so here we are,

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really does it matter? Does it
really matter that you have a critic

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on a social media platform? All
Trump has to do is make one post

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on on x formerly known as Twitter
that and people go nuts. So does

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it. I mean, he's got
enough critics out there, does it.

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He must spend all day. That's
why he's up at three o'clock in the

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morning, send and text and tweets
out it because he's up probably trying to

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block all the people that are talking
crap about him. It could be.

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But the funny part to me is
that, look, I'm thinking, you

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know, just much like we talked
about with the with the bars and smoking,

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you would think that this is a
private business, right, these these

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different platforms, Twitter, right,
whatever, it doesn't matter. Don't they

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have the right actually to say what
goes on on their platform in their business.

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I mean I thought they did.
Why is the government getting out this?

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Yeah, it's a little A platform
would be different somehow, they argue

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you whether it's public accommodation you know, is and people have argued, well,

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they're you know, if they sell
stock, you know, to the

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public, then their public entity and
they still need to but there's still a

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private platform. That was the big
thing that Barry Goldwater didn't like about the

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Civil Rights Act is that, and
he caught hell for it for years.

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But he was under the impression that
if I'm a private business owner. I

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should be able to decide who I
want to do business with. Now you're

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telling me that I have to do
business with blacks or people of color,

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blah blah blah. Are you going
to then start telling me that I have

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to do business with people connections to
known communist organizations or foreign governments or this.

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So he had a legal stand saying, you know, this is the

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start of a slippery slope. If
you tell me I have to allow this

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person in, then how long is
it before you tell me I have to

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allow that person in? And yet
I'm a private business owner. I should

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be able to pick and choose who
I do business with. That was his

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only complaint, but he got called
a racist for years afterwards because people wanted

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to fight the racist angle, not
the legality angle. So, I mean,

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you know, that's forget that.
It is a different thing when it

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comes to public accommodation because if you're
a business out there, okay, now

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you're actually licensed and sanctioned by the
state, and there is something to that,

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right, they can remove that sanction. Now you're not allowed to be

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a publicly accessible business if they wanted
to. I thought that was the way

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it went. But you know,
I don't know. That's that's how country

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clubs kept out people for years.
They were private, yeah, businesses,

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they weren't public. So when you
have a social media platform, is it

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truly a public forum? Considering you
have to basically apply for the account.

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Can they deny you an account?
Well they've closed down. Look what they're

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doing on YouTube. Look at what
they're doing on Facebook. I mean they

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shut down accounts. Stay in the
night. Maria Heller is still banned on

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Twitter, you know, right,
So is it you know, is it

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truly a public platform? Well,
you're selling stock to the public. Okay,

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but that's to still make you a
public How does that make local lunch

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counter then work? You know,
because they're not selling stock, it doesn't

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matter. It's irrelevant as to whether
it's a public company in that way.

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Well, now that's the people that
want to argue the public side of it.

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That's the one of their arguments.
You're selling stock to the public,

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therefore the company is being funded by
the public, therefore you should let all

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the public in, you know.
So well, then you have to argue,

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Okay, where does public slash private
actually take place on these as opposed

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to to the guy that's got the
deli that doesn't want to sell to Iranian

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sheepherders. You know, you and
I open up you know one of those

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breakfast joints, right, you know, one of those little little diners that

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only does breakfast in early lunch.
Right. We do that, and we

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decide that we don't want to let
certain people in. Okay, we make

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it into a private club, that's
one thing. But if it's a business

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open to the public, then maybe
there's a different set of rules. I'm

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thinking it doesn't matter if we're trying
to sell stock. That's like completely irrelevant

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to the anyway. I don't want
to go around in circles about it for

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sure, and I'm definitely not trying
to re litigate it. We have a

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caller, and I don't have identification
on this caller, so this is an

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unknown caller and we'll just put him
on the air. So you're live.

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I'm not sure who you are,
but hey, what's going on? You're

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live on the Friday night open mic. Hey, Yeah, you guys doing

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tonight doing? Okay? Who is
this? It's Chris from Califlorida. Oh,

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Hey, how you doing? Chris? Sorry? I didn't recognize your

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voice right away then, and yeah, you're not. I'm trying to tone

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down the accent and sometimes getting away
from me. Oh okay, cool,

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but there is an accent that I
don't recognize as California. There there was

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a little little drawl there. Where's
that from? You? Where are you

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from? South? Well? No, I live in Florida. I'm originally

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from Kentucky. Oh, k okay, that's why I'm here in the little

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Kentucky in there. Okay, got
you? Yeah, I got to keep

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it at bay, you know,
try to got you all right? Well,

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anyway, Chris, how you doing? What's on your mind tonight?

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I'm not doing to bed, just
working on getting some seeds started for the

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I'm a little late to the spring
planning planning season, but trying to get

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all that going. That's right.
What are the what are you planting this

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year? I'll shore I tried to
grow as much as I can, tomatoes,

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green peppers. I mean, you
know, I'm I've been doing it

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for by eight years. But it's
learning, you know, it's a I've

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still got a learners. I mean
that's cool. Hey, look, it's

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always good to grow your own uh
you know, and uh I I I

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love being able to when I can, but I've had some uh poor times

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of it since I've been in Georgia. Apparently I don't live in areas with

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very good soil, so I gotta
I gotta do something about that. But

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I've tried to grow a few things
here. You ever try to mix onions

409
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:32.920
gardening. Well, I did a
little bit of that, and then I

410
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:34.680
tried to put it in the ground, and the ground just did not like

411
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:38.680
it. And and plus I I
got in on it late because I didn't

412
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:42.759
realize that the planning season was a
little ahead because of the uh temperate zone

413
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:45.240
I'm in here, you know,
in the south, in the southeast,

414
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:49.640
and so I was a little off. And uh yeah, I ended up

415
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:53.079
you know, I got some tomatoes
at one point, and I had a

416
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:56.640
neighbor that I helped out get some
cucumbers going. But other than that,

417
00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:00.960
I mean, I really have had
no success. And and uh, trying

418
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.920
to plant onions I did not do
well, which I was really surprised at

419
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.240
because it used to be you can
just chop off the top of any onion,

420
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:10.839
throw it in the ground. You're
gonna end up with some onions,

421
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:15.920
you know. But it doesn't work
like that so much anymore with the onions

422
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:19.480
I'm getting, I guess. So
anyways, so yeah, glad to hear

423
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:22.759
it. Glad to hear it.
It's always good when people grow their own

424
00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:25.279
stuff. That way, you know
what was used on it, you know

425
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:27.240
where it came from. And you
know you're not getting you know, stuff

426
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.400
from Guatemala that God help us,
might have gone in the same truck as

427
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:36.799
the pigs or whatever else you know, contaminated. That's how you end up

428
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.359
with your salmonilla and your what is
the what is that other outbreak? We

429
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:44.319
get all the time now we are
Ekala? Yeah, like, why is

430
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:47.759
that in with your vegetables? Well, because it's in a truck with animals?

431
00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:52.880
Oh okay, not a good plan. But the workers, yeah,

432
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:56.839
that could be too, because you
know, if they're just copping a squat

433
00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.519
and doing it right there, who's
gonna know until somebody gets sick? Right,

434
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:04.400
Okay? Anyways, I'm sure that's
not what you want to talk about,

435
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:08.039
so uh but anyway, planting,
so it's going good. You got

436
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:14.160
some peppers and tomatoes. I love
to hear that. Have you tried growing

437
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:21.400
some garlic in Florida? Because that
would be interesting I have. I'm still

438
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:23.799
working my way through that. I'm
still you know, trialing her. You

439
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:30.240
know that I've done, I've done
a last couple of years and try it

440
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:37.599
rather than having yield just like you
my you know, my soul conditions on

441
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:48.240
ideal you know, I'm you called
the beginning of the Calamasha forest. So

442
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:52.640
you know it's a stand that's yeah, food soiler, so you know it

443
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:59.759
would take me, take me you
know good, probably a decade. Yeah,

444
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.640
well, actually be a little plant
in the ground. So most of

445
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.759
my plants, you know on above
ground Dettander's planet boxes that I built built,

446
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:12.599
Yeah, that's probably I haven't had
a lot of success with just like

447
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:18.319
you with the onions or you had
the garlic, right, I'm just I'm

448
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.559
still working my way to it.
What I grew accident ground plants, you

449
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.240
know, Yeah, what I grew
accidentally. I was going to tell you

450
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:27.759
what I grew accidentally all over The
last property I lived at was mint.

451
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:33.400
I had mint everywhere. It just
like went all over the place. And

452
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:36.480
uh because it was you know,
part of one of those combination you know,

453
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:41.400
spice gardens and the mint dominated everything
and ended up all over the property.

454
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:48.559
Was hilarious. I just had mint
everywhere, and totally unintentional. It

455
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:49.680
was a Chris, you're breaking up
a little, So I want to put

456
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:53.279
you on hold and take another caller
and come back around to you, just

457
00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:56.960
to see if it recompresses and we
can hear you a little better because you

458
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:02.119
were breaking up a bit. Okay, yes, sir, all right,

459
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:07.119
Like I said, I'll come back
around to you. Let's see. Now,

460
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:11.599
I got another caller that says wireless
caller. I don't know what's going

461
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.359
on with these phone lines. Maybe
I'm not getting the IDs anymore, but

462
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:19.720
I was getting caller ID and this
one just says wireless caller. I'm gonna

463
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:25.559
guess it's Harlan, but I can't
tell. Let's see if my guess is

464
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:30.599
correct, is that you Harlan?
That's right? There, we go go

465
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.039
where he is. Let's last seven
for the day. I go ahead,

466
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.440
glad to hear from you, Harland. But again, you're an unidentified wireless

467
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.799
caller, which is weird because I
used to be able to identify you.

468
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.039
So I don't know what's going on
with the phones. But anyway, what's

469
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:51.279
on your mind tonight? Man?
Not much nothing. I just got them

470
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:53.720
will say, you know what kind
of drama in the world you boys have

471
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:59.079
stirred up? See what was going
on? I've been howering at it out

472
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:01.400
all day. Well, look,
no big drama so far. We covered

473
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:07.759
a few things about the annoyance of
real id and uh and that's about it,

474
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:12.559
and talked about planting stuff with Chris
for a minute. But we're totally

475
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.839
open to whatever's on your mind.
I mean you you're getting all caught up

476
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:21.319
in uh in something recent here?
Is there something new? Uh? Did

477
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:27.240
you check out Tucker Carlson talking to
Chris Cuomo about the two guys who had

478
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.680
formerly worked for CNN and Cuomo is
supposedly gonna go after him for his footin

479
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.799
interview, and the two of them
are just sitting there giggling together. You

480
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:39.039
know, two former CNN employees,
although you know one of them works for

481
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:44.240
News Nation now and the other one
is the independent hero of the off community

482
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:49.279
at this point, Tucker Carlson,
I don't know you got that on your

483
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:51.759
mind. You got something else going
on. You got news for us?

484
00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:58.000
What's what's up? That must have
been what Don Jefferies and Angry Tiger was

485
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:02.359
talking about I believe it was just
yeah, I believe it was Thursday.

486
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.839
They had like a SAMA cast and
they was talking about Tucker and you know

487
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:13.039
it mentioned about you know, who's
going on whose platform. So I'm assuming

488
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:16.960
that this interview you're talking about has
been put out in the last few days.

489
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:23.559
Yeah, yeah, two days,
two days ask that, Okay,

490
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:28.880
Yeah, it's it's just been you
know, drive and go to sleep and

491
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:35.039
get up and drive. You know, this week I caught Tiger's show We'll

492
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.519
None on the other day, and
that's that's pretty much been there. I've

493
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:43.319
not really looked around a lot of
the news this week. Yeah, it's

494
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.400
been kind of a slow week in
my mind, you know, except for

495
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:51.359
some of the weird tech news and
stuff. I did get a copy of

496
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.240
a book, by the way,
uh, just recent in the mail.

497
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:58.279
I guess it came out on the
eighth of the month. Weird combination of

498
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.519
authors be Pete on this one,
the Final Analysis. Okay is the name

499
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:05.839
of the book. It's a jfk
Assassination book. You're ready for. The

500
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:14.360
co authors on this David W.
Mantick and Jerome Corsy writing together. So

501
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.400
and I wrote to doctor Mantick and
when when I got you know, noticed

502
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.719
that this book had came out on
the eighth. I wrote to him and

503
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.039
I said, uh, listen,
I got one question for you, and

504
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:28.320
don't take offense. Why in the
hell did you decide to co author a

505
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:31.599
book with Jerome Corsi? And he
gave me an answer, and we're going

506
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:37.119
to do an interview pretty soon,
me and doctor Mantick. But I got

507
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:42.360
the book in my hands yesterday,
so it's sitting right in front of me.

508
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.480
I just figured i'd bring that up, because you know, I don't

509
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.440
I don't understand Coursey. He at
one time he put out a lot of

510
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.000
good work. He did a lot
of investigative stuff. He was connected with,

511
00:34:53.239 --> 00:35:00.800
Uh was it David Sarah in his
website back late nineties? Hell what

512
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.239
the name of it was, I'll
look it up. Anyway, he did

513
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:12.119
good Oh yeah, World News Daily. And he somewhere he took a turn,

514
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:17.480
and when I saw him saddled up
with Ralph sin Kay, I thought,

515
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.480
what the hell has gone wrong with
this guy? And since then I've

516
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:24.119
totally written off course, you haven't
read a damn thing he's written, and

517
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:29.519
don't care too. Yeah. See, now you and I share this opinion,

518
00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:32.079
and that's why I was like,
and I appreciate Mantic and and a

519
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:36.440
lot of the work he's done.
Totally missed that he released a book a

520
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:42.119
couple of years ago on the Kennedy
assassination because Mantic's work I've always read as

521
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.719
part of somebody else's release or big
articles, you know, stuff like his

522
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:52.519
first big his first big outing was
when he was connected with Fetzer I first

523
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:57.400
book, right Assassination Science. I
think was it right? Well? Yeah,

524
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.880
yeah, and he was also I
think he might have been a murder

525
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:05.719
in Dealy Plaza as well. But
he's contributed to other people's works, and

526
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.199
a couple of years ago he released
a book and I didn't I totally missed

527
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:14.519
it on my radar. I'm apparently
going to have a copy of it shortly.

528
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:19.440
And this new publisher that Mantick is
with, you know, as graciously

529
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:24.079
made contact with me and I'll see
about other authors they carry. But it's

530
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:30.719
it's fascinating to me that Mantick is
not getting the big attention for his book

531
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:36.159
and he's still a valued presenter.
So I'm wondering, you know, I

532
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:39.360
don't, well, how much of
that is people dismissing some of his earlier

533
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:44.199
work because of him being connected to
people like Thatcher. Yeah. See,

534
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.039
ultimately, that's my question, and
believe me, I'm going to ask him

535
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.440
stuff like this on the show.
I don't know if he's going to get

536
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.119
offended or not, but I want
to know because you know, Mantick has

537
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:58.079
done some actual, you know,
scientifically based research and examination alnot. He's

538
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:02.960
the one that first questioned the the
X rays thought yeah, yeah, because

539
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:06.800
of the white patch in the back
of the head. And he went to

540
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:12.679
the National Archives and actually ran tests
on the X rays themselves, you know.

541
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.840
And I'm not saying that I endorse
his work. I'm just saying that

542
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:22.760
there was actual work done, you
know. Yeah, amazing. Go ahead,

543
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:27.880
Harley, Good Harley. I'm just
gonna throw a quick question after if

544
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:32.760
I'm not mistaken. Didn't back here
four or five, six years ago,

545
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:40.400
didn't of course you go just all
in wholesale qnon Yeah, remember that correctly.

546
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:44.199
Yeah, he did. See that's
the thing. Course he fell into

547
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:50.039
a weird nexus of stuff after he
got hooked up with Ralphson K which is

548
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:52.159
a minor thing. B Pete.
Next thing, you know is course he

549
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:57.159
was real prominent with Alex Jones,
I mean super when he looked up,

550
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.360
But he was with Alex Jones before
he looked up with k It was through

551
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:04.159
Alex Jones. And that's what surprised
me. I thought, you know,

552
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:09.639
Alex Jones is actually given ten minutes
of time to Ralph sing Kay and I

553
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:13.719
think so Jeron Corsey is the one
that interviewed him, and I thought this,

554
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.159
I wonder if he Jones even knows
what Corsey's doing well. But that's

555
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:22.360
the thing is course, he was
part of the Jones thing for a while.

556
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:24.360
But when he got real, like
a whole lot more prominent. I

557
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.880
think they even gave him his own
show for a bit and stuff like that.

558
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:34.119
He started doing more work and expanded
to work with some other people,

559
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.159
and it got weird. He was
all of a sudden q A non he

560
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:39.119
was. I think he was all
in on Sandy Hook even. I mean,

561
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:44.920
didn't he buy in on the Obama
Bertha crap? I think so.

562
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:49.440
I think that's where that may have
been where he took his bent and he

563
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.960
just went out spiraled off out of
control, right. And then the next

564
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.079
thing, you know is he was
one of the people that was willing to

565
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:59.800
apologize during some of these lawsuits and
stuff like that, and he was complaining

566
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:04.079
that. I think he was complaining
that people were going after him because of

567
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:08.760
some QA non stuff and I mean
weird things and so. But that's why

568
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:13.119
I find it odd, because I
mean, I've had private conversations with Mantic

569
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:16.199
before. And even though you know, you might have seen Mantic on The

570
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:21.679
Men Who Killed Kennedy the last episodes
there he comes on and talks about a

571
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:25.360
few things, same episodes I think
where you see Gary Aguilar on there,

572
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:32.239
right, And Mantic has done again
fascinating presentations in person stuff at the WET

573
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:37.440
conference in two thousand and three,
I think, either twenty and three or

574
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:43.960
twenty thirteen. Always responsibly conducted stuff, real research, actual documents, going

575
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:47.239
to the National Archives, things like
this, And you don't expect him to

576
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:52.039
be hooked up with Corsey in my
mind, you know, no matter what

577
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.039
point in course his career you're talking
about. So it's it's a weird thing

578
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:59.840
to me. And you know,
in fairness, I haven't read the book

579
00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:04.199
yet, and I'm trying not to
be judgmental here and giving another look at

580
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.719
Jerome COURSI only because David Mantick decided
to co author with him. I don't

581
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:15.559
know how that's gonna turn out,
but I guess we'll see it. Yeah,

582
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:19.719
anyway, but I plan on interviewing
him in in uh you know,

583
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.840
upcoming weeks here. I also want
to get William law on about that book

584
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:28.639
that he wrote with Jeffries too.
I'm just waiting for something to happen there,

585
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:31.679
uh, in a back and forth
with me and William law But it's

586
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:35.119
all friendly, it's all good.
I mean, he's happy to come on

587
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.679
the show. So I'm gonna have
William law on at least once for that

588
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:42.360
book and maybe for some other reasons. Uh, but you know, I'm

589
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:46.079
mostly gonna have Mantek con. There's
gonna be a Jeff uh No. I

590
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:50.039
haven't had Don on for it because
I was trying to get to law first,

591
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:54.519
let's see, and you know,
because Don's busy a lot of the

592
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:58.199
a lot of the times that I
that I asked him about, you know,

593
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:02.079
can we do a show? So
you know, I was gonna have

594
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:07.079
law on first, or maybe both
of them, I thought, But I'm

595
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:13.199
just yeah, pipe the Bimbo and
Red and I have a copy of it

596
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.679
on my shelf here. I've been
through most of it, haven't finished it,

597
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:20.119
but I've been through most of it, and I have some interesting questions

598
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:24.400
about some things that are going on
in that book. He definitely has a

599
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:30.880
huge portion here where he's talking to
what is Dean Andrews the Third, Uh,

600
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:32.480
you know, the the the guy
that's played by John Candy and the

601
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:37.719
JFK movies for those of you that
don't know, who was a New Orleans

602
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:43.239
based lawyer. Okay, that Garrison
was familiar with is involved and actually,

603
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:47.239
uh, you know there's a little
connection there to the Kennedy case. We'll

604
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:51.800
talk about it when we get to
that book on the show, but no,

605
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:53.239
I'm gonna have Don on about it
as well. It's just that,

606
00:41:54.000 --> 00:42:00.360
you know, I wanted to get
William law too. So anyway, brother,

607
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:06.760
and uh, that guy was actually
your friends. Come to find that,

608
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:12.639
uh, no kidding, Okay,
the Dean Andrews the Third and you

609
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.000
know, he just so happened,
you know, stumble across that and later

610
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:19.880
on they got talking about this.
Somebody had an idea, I don't know

611
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:22.599
if it was Don or the other
guy, and they just put it together

612
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.400
and uh, you know, ended
up you know, writing the book and

613
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:30.880
that comment or what the title of
the book is, because in the movie

614
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:35.599
JFK, that was one of the
things that John Candy said when he was

615
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:38.360
in the first scene. That's why
as a lady walked through that was in

616
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:43.599
Red, right, And Kevin Costner
replies, yes, she's cute, Dino,

617
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:47.320
but not as cute as you,
and uh and John Kenny goes,

618
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:52.639
well, thank you. So yeah, uh no, I know the movie

619
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.480
and I know the line and that's
why I mean, it is funny.

620
00:42:55.519 --> 00:43:00.000
But anyway, Uh, I want
to get into the substance of that book.

621
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:01.360
It's not a terribly thick book,
by the way, pipe the Bimbo

622
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:07.440
and Red, it's not a huge
book. It's uh, it's interesting.

623
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.760
I'm holding off because I want to
talk to those guys about the book on

624
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:15.800
air and get to it, you
know, with the authors. Anyhow,

625
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.360
a couple of years ago, when
I was producing Don's show, he was

626
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.679
talking about bringing him on to interview
him. And I had no idea that

627
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.039
he was going to write a book
about it, uh, but he was

628
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:28.280
talking about that and I said,
yeah, sure, let's do that,

629
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.719
and he never got around to it, so I figured he didn't have,

630
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:35.280
you know, an interest in doing
it. Next thing I know is he's

631
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.599
writing a book. So what can
I say? Anyway, But that was

632
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:45.480
back when I was producing the Don
Jeffrey Show anyhow, So irln anything else.

633
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:49.239
I can't remember if he had on
one of his shows or not.

634
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.840
I'm trying to think I ever since
you brought that up, and I swear

635
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:58.559
I can't remember. I'm kind of, you know, ashamed of the game.

636
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:04.440
But he did do several interviews with
the co author. I can't remember

637
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:07.199
if he actually had Dave Andrews own
or not. I know he showed some

638
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:12.280
pictures that he had taken with me. Well, he didn't have Dean Andrews

639
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:15.199
the third on the Don Jeffrey Show
that I was producing. Now he was

640
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:21.400
still doing an eye protest and uh
I'm talking about lightly in the last six

641
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.400
months. Oh oh yeah, Okay, Well it's hard for me to keep

642
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:27.159
track anymore. Uh So, I
don't know if he brought him on yet,

643
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:29.599
but maybe maybe he should. He
do it, do his own,

644
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:32.639
big, huge promo, right,
but we are going to get to that.

645
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:36.440
And like I said, I want
to bring William Law on. Uh

646
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:38.199
but I have William Law I have
in mind for more than one thing,

647
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:45.000
and uh, for personal reasons.
I'm not like, uh bugging William Law

648
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:49.559
right now. Okay, there's no
problem between him or me or anything.

649
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.559
It's just I don't want to bother
the man at the moment. Okay.

650
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:58.599
But anyways, so we're we're geez, we're almost through a full hour here,

651
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.159
Harland. Anything else got on your
mind or because I do want to

652
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:05.280
check back with Chris, And we
got another caller, so I'd like to

653
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:08.800
get around to everybody, and I
go ahead and go ahead and grab those

654
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:12.719
guys because I'm might have to get
out from here for a little bit anyway,

655
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.320
because I'm up here in northwestern Missouri, and I think there's about a

656
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:21.199
twenty mile day spot. All right, Well, if I get cut off

657
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:23.000
out cow back in a little bit. There you go. Yeah, try

658
00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:25.519
try and join us back in in
a little bit, Harlan. I'll put

659
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:30.280
you on hold, and uh,
yeah, it looks like I got uh

660
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.679
let's see wepe. Do I still
have Chris? I think I do.

661
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:37.679
Yes, I still have Chris on
the line. I've got another caller who

662
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.280
I think I recognize, So let
me check back in with Chris. See

663
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:43.760
if he's got anything else he wants
to add in before we get to the

664
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.000
new caller. And uh, we're
gonna have to take a break pretty soon

665
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:49.159
here too, because, like I
said, we're almost here the first hour.

666
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:52.679
So let's see, Chris. I
think I got you back on the

667
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:58.800
line. How you doing. Hey, that's a bed all right? So

668
00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:02.119
I got a question for you,
for sure. It's gonna slightly derail the

669
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:07.960
conversation topic. What do you and
b Pete think about them released in the

670
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:15.760
Haitian cannibal information here recently and from
everything that I've gathered, that information is

671
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:22.039
roughly two years old. I'm sorry
with you the video that surfaced out here

672
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:28.840
recently with us, you know,
the gentleman they've labeled as cannibal. I

673
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:30.639
got to be nervous what I'm talking
about. I gotta be honest with you.

674
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:36.639
Just the gang leaders that's got the
nickname Barbecue. Oh yeah, Barbecue.

675
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:37.559
I'm sorry, yes, sir,
Yeah, you got to be Pete.

676
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:42.440
Yeah, yeah, Barbecue, not
Cannibal. So you said there's some

677
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:47.039
footage out there from two years ago. From what I understand, that video

678
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:52.840
came out two years ago, and
I recall from the information channels that I've

679
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:57.760
always that I've followed for a period
of time, but yeah, that it

680
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:04.360
was roughly around that period of times
that yeah, they need that, Chris,

681
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:08.360
costumers of cannibalism come from that region, you know, was spreading well

682
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:13.760
enough. It seems it just seems
like a conveniently timed in my opinion,

683
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:16.199
like there's there's something more to the
story. Got you could you fill me

684
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:21.599
in on this? Fill me in
on this, Chris a little bit,

685
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:24.280
because I'm rather unfamiliar with this story. Could you help me out a little

686
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:31.199
bit how well I know they've been
although I don't I'm not a purviewer of

687
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:37.440
a Twitter or a k X as
they like to call it nowadays. I've

688
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.920
been banned for a little while.
But yeah, there's been a you know,

689
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.119
there's been a video and I've witnessed
a video too, and other candles

690
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:53.159
and you know where you know this
Yeah, as BP corrected me, gentleman

691
00:47:53.280 --> 00:48:01.000
named who's got the nickname of barbecue
and he there's a uh, deceased gentleman

692
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:07.280
laying on the ground outside and he
lifts his leg up and starts eating it,

693
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:12.199
you know, bite taken bites off
of his calf, muscles, you

694
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:17.639
know, and this is just a
Haitian gang member that's the positively taking control

695
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:23.079
of the Govment of Haiti based from
whatever all the information that I've gathered,

696
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:29.159
at least, that's a narrative that's
been laying down, laid down. Okay,

697
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.239
Okay, now I'm now I'm getting
familiar here in my mind, Okay,

698
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:36.400
because I've been looking at the Haiti
thing and I couldn't. It didn't

699
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:39.679
ring a bell until you mentioned.
To be honest with you, this is

700
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:45.679
not the only guy I've heard of
with the cannibalism thing in Haiti, uh

701
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:47.920
in gangland there, and yeah,
there's been a whole lot of unrest where

702
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:52.599
the government has pretty much lost control
of the situation in Haiti, and it's

703
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:58.400
not being covered a lot by our
news at the moment, uh, the

704
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:04.079
full extent of what's actually happening there. And the Dominican Republic, I know,

705
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:07.960
is kind of nervous about what's happening, you know, right there,

706
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:13.719
because they're right there. And uh
yeah, so I've seen a little bit

707
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:15.400
about this, and you know there's
some stuff on YouTube even about it,

708
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:21.400
you know, where there's video alleging
that Yeah, in fact, there is

709
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:24.559
more than one barbecue guy, but
there's this one main guy has kind of

710
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:30.599
gone viral. Huh. So,
I mean again, I still don't know

711
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:32.440
a lot about it, but it
kind of passed by me. And uh,

712
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:36.880
this is not the first time I've
heard of this kind of thing before.

713
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:44.119
You know, it's been a rumor
for a long time and other people

714
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:47.079
have talked about it. I had, jeez, what was that guy's name

715
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:51.280
who came on my show and started
talking to me about you know, hey,

716
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:55.599
look, you're forgetting about Haiti's connection
in the cocaine trade, which he

717
00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:00.599
was he was correct about. No, no, not Hillary Clinton. This

718
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:05.559
guy who was a music producer actually
came on my show in like twenty fifteen

719
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.920
to talk to me about it.
I forget his name off the top of

720
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:10.920
my head now, but he was
like, look, firsthand, here's what's

721
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:15.800
going on in Haiti, and here's
the CIA cocaine connection that's still going on,

722
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:22.599
you know, far outside of the
Iran contra cocaine connection. You need

723
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:23.960
to look at Haiti, you know. And I started looking at it,

724
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:29.280
and there's a lot of wild stuff
that has gone on in Haiti that you

725
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:31.920
know, you would think would make
serious headlines. If it bleeds, it

726
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:37.400
leads, But very quietly, there's
been a lot of chaos, a lot

727
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.360
of murders, a lot of the
government losing control of various swaths of the

728
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:46.159
old Country off and on and losing
it to these different gangs. And that's

729
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:52.079
been going on like I don't know, thirty years, at least continuously.

730
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:57.280
Now recently there's been some headlines and
apparently this Barbecue guy did make a little

731
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:00.079
bit of a viral news so to
speak. I guess there was videos on

732
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:05.360
TikTok that they took down, but
they were up on TikTok for a while

733
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:09.360
before they took him down. Is
that right? With these cannibal videos VPTE

734
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:14.199
did you did you see that?
Well, the story I've gotten is that

735
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:20.880
this guy's one of this what's his
name is Cheries I had some kind of

736
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:22.360
French name. Hold on a second. Anyway, the guys they fame was

737
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:28.719
Barbecue and they said that there was
a journalist, Dan Cohen was over in

738
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:36.320
twenty twenty two doing a documentary about
this guy, something Cherizier. Another vision.

739
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:42.559
Let's see another vision inside Hot Hades
uprising. This guy's gang leader and

740
00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:45.159
the gangs have been worn against each
other and his gang's coming out on top.

741
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:50.920
So basically, some journalists put the
headline, he's the de facto head

742
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:55.639
of Haiti now that the president will
not be allowed to return, and the

743
00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:59.639
reason he couldn't return was because all
the fighting going on from the games.

744
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:02.800
So then he just resigned. So
now they're kind of left government lists.

745
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:07.079
So they're trying to put this coalition
together to oversee the place until they have

746
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:14.239
new elections at all. But someone
linked up to this video that was on

747
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:20.320
CNN back in like twenty and seventeen, and they were talking to an Indian

748
00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:23.159
guy, these guys that eat their
own flesh, and it was a video

749
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:28.880
that was done in connection with that
that when all this started, the video

750
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.599
resurfaces, Oh here's footage of the
gangs eating people. Blah blah blah blah

751
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:36.000
blah. So it's kind of got
blown out of proportion, and basically it's

752
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:39.599
an urban legend that people are still
clinging to. But I mean, truth

753
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:45.920
being known, there's some weird little
cult groups in Haiti. I mean,

754
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:52.360
Voodoo's big over there. What is
the what is the Latin is it center

755
00:52:54.199 --> 00:53:00.320
Centaia? You're talking about the religion. Yeah, the religious things Santaia.

756
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:07.280
Yeah, that's real big in section. So people have made the connection between

757
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:12.360
this guy's gang and cannibals, and
now it's on the current urban myth.

758
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:16.559
Well, some of them used it
as like propaganda to instill fear in their

759
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:22.039
rivals in Haiti. You know that
there's been this legendary and it's, like

760
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:23.719
I said, for thirty years,
there's stories of this kind of stuff.

761
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:28.360
You know, that they'll actually eat
the hearts of their enemies and all this

762
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:35.559
stuff. And you know, some
of the deep dark practitioners of voodoo and

763
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:38.760
stuff, you know, align themselves
with these gangs and this and that.

764
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:45.039
And indeed the government has lost control
several times in the on the island nation,

765
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:47.880
right, and it keeps going on. And some people have said that

766
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:52.440
it's all about the cocaine trade.
I think something else is going on there

767
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:58.400
though, because I mean usually a
narco state keeps a functional government at least

768
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:01.039
as a puppet in place, but
Haiti they keep uh, you know,

769
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:07.880
to ask you about the question,
I'm not trying to interrupt you. Why

770
00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:14.880
if if if we all know that
this stuff was already occurring a couple of

771
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:17.800
a couple of years ago, if
none clearly longer. You know, the

772
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:23.719
cannibalism. Why is it being released
now? What's what's the purpose behind that?

773
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:30.280
You know, I'm me just scare
people, But what what easy purpose

774
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:36.280
behind it? What's this stuff now? It's being released now to try to

775
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:40.119
just scare people. The problem with
Haiti, and that's weird about the island,

776
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:45.000
but for why the island? But
why are trying to scare people?

777
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:51.440
I'm not trying to cut you off
the yeah people what position It's so that

778
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:55.159
they can position certain people for the
next coming up elections. Realize the the

779
00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:00.719
Clintons, the group are real big
down and hate. They got a lot

780
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:05.519
of financial interest down there. They've
got what is it, Hillary Clinton's brother

781
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.960
is like one of the top owners
of one of their large mines on the

782
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:16.159
island. They've ingraded themselves into the
business end of things. But it's so

783
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:20.280
corrupt. I mean, that's been
the problem. Dominican Republic has had a

784
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:22.880
stable government for years. But on
the other half the island, he got

785
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:30.880
Haiti and they've had since Papa doctor
value was it Papa doctor Vallier, since

786
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:34.800
he was in charge. I mean, the corruption was notorious. He was

787
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:38.199
basically they head gang leader of the
island. He gets overthrown, then they

788
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:43.760
put another guy in place, he
gets killed. Now this guy's in power,

789
00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:47.000
and the Games got together and said
let's create enough hate, discontent and

790
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:52.000
turmoil that he can't come back.
And well, basically he resigns. So

791
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:57.880
now it's just a shuffle the I
think the video came out simply because somebody

792
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:01.719
wanted to sensationalize this thing, and
so they try to make the connection even

793
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:05.079
though you know, people look at
it, well that's from you know,

794
00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:08.679
eight years ago or six years ago. The hell. I think it's just

795
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:13.639
done to create more chaos and to
scare people. Well, from a speculative

796
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:15.800
point of view, though, I
wonder if this could be part of your

797
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:22.639
question, Chris, is it time
for a military intervention? Is there going

798
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:25.360
to be a profitable military intervention in
Haiti? Okay, We're gonna need to

799
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:30.119
send peacekeepers in there or something in
order to get the situation under control,

800
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:37.159
right to oversee the elections, restore
democracy. Yeah, I wonder if that

801
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:43.880
is an upcoming you know, new
conflict to sell I don't know, to

802
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:46.599
be honest with you, I'm kind
of you know, look, it's been

803
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:51.000
chaotic, it's been a mess.
Papa Doc, for all you can say

804
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.039
about him, at the very least
he was able to keep things functioning.

805
00:56:54.519 --> 00:57:00.119
But they're so totally dysfunctional at this
point. One does wonder if that that's

806
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:02.159
what the point is. Maybe they
need to create some order out of the

807
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:07.079
chaos, and that's going to be
the next you know, side project here,

808
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:10.159
right, you know, where we
spread democracy to Haiti, we got

809
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:15.320
to help those people out there strounds
extremely plausible, you know, I mean

810
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:19.400
that's that's my general thought about it, but I don't have proof of it.

811
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.280
It's just sort of like, that's
what would make sense to me.

812
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:24.280
What do you think of that,
be Bete? Does that make sense to

813
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:30.960
you? Well? I think I
think part of it is is the whole

814
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:36.119
that that groups like the Clinton Foundation
and some of these other related groups and

815
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:38.760
people related to the Clintons have wormed
their way in since the earthquake back in

816
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:43.239
twenty ten. You know, the
Clinton Foundation got a lot of money to

817
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.239
go down there and build housing.
Apparently they've only built like three houses since

818
00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:51.039
twenty ten when this went on.
But everybody's asking where the hell is the

819
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:54.440
money that you got things like that. Well, Haiti is one of the

820
00:57:54.440 --> 00:58:00.760
most corrupt nations on the earth,
and it has been, I think since

821
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:05.159
its inception. Don't quote me on
that, but it seems like we've always

822
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:08.280
heard about, you know, corruption
in Haiti, and that's why all of

823
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:15.400
these governments fail. It could be
that certain private groups, let's say,

824
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:22.719
off the island benefactors, are starting
to take a little more than some of

825
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:27.519
the people on Haiti think they should
be allowed to get away with, and

826
00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:31.280
maybe a new government will be a
way to start taking back some of those

827
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:37.159
assets that have been built up by
these off island entities that are just basically

828
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:40.440
raking in money hand and foot from
natural resources and things of that nature.

829
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:44.599
Well, but just could be setting
up they could be setting up a new

830
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:49.519
government so that they can go after
some of the corruption from people off the

831
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.599
island. It's like, why is
he allowed to put that in his pocket

832
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:57.239
when I can put it in mind. Well, look there's all that.

833
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:02.880
Let me say, I'm sorry,
Chris good go ahead. Well, as

834
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:07.800
a Floridian here, you might as
well to sell me one because I've been

835
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:12.800
there for too that long. Uh, you know what we've got Rod DeSantis

836
00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:16.119
talking. You know, he's proposing
legislations for you know, blocking the you

837
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:23.239
know, the bringing into the Haitian
immigrants. I mean it does honestly saying

838
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:28.440
like there's some narrative being laid out. I mean, there's something going on

839
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:35.159
that we all aren't seeing. There's
something something behind the curtains, you know

840
00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:38.559
what I mean. I think you're
gonna find I don't. I think it's

841
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:43.360
gonna be some time, but I
think you're gonna find that the governments in

842
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:47.880
Haiti have been purposely destabilized by either
the US or other entities for a certain

843
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:53.679
purpose. I don't know what that
purpose is. Having Floridians and myself might

844
00:59:53.760 --> 01:00:00.679
be eaten by some rogue Haitian gangs, well, well, I gotta worry,

845
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:07.239
humor, But I think you're going
to see that this next government set

846
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:13.039
up, because it was just what
twenty twenty one when the prior president was

847
01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:17.400
assassinated and the guy that was in
charge until the other day has only been

848
01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:21.559
in for a couple of years.
So, you know, when you've got

849
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:25.519
something that's as corrupt as Haiti has
been for centuries, trying to clean up

850
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:30.519
everybody's act, people get ticked off
at the interference and they say, okay,

851
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:34.079
we'll just take him out. I
mean the government US government has done

852
01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:37.599
it in thousands of places over the
years. You know, what's to say

853
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:40.400
that local entities in Haiti thought,
hey, we're having to pay too much

854
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:44.320
graft to this guy. Let's just
get rid of and we can we can

855
01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:49.519
our our our business economy situation will
get much better. Who knows, I

856
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:51.920
think that's what's being set up.
You know, this is one of those

857
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:58.440
back woods places where a lot of
grant money and a lot of governmentey government

858
01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:02.480
money goes without any accounting. So
it's big money for you know, some

859
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:07.400
of the smaller world players to get
in there and get their share. Yeah.

860
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:12.679
But okay, well, I believe
that the last person, that is,

861
01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:15.159
the last president that was assassinated.
I want to say that. You

862
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:20.159
know, That's where I mean.
You can call my conspiracy theorist all day

863
01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:22.800
long. I don't really, you
know, it doesn't bother me. But

864
01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:28.199
believe that he was one of the
few world leaders. You know, if

865
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.559
you want to call him that I
meant, which essentially he was. I

866
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:34.800
mean, he was he was leading
up his country and he was against the

867
01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:38.800
that you know, the vaccinea,
the vaccine what are you going to call

868
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:45.840
it? The jed you know,
Jed gad the vaccine. He was against

869
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:53.199
vaccining his population. He hopefully spoke
out of spoke out against it, and

870
01:01:53.199 --> 01:01:58.960
then it was pretty well immediately after
that that he had ended up dead.

871
01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:05.280
Well, a lot of people were
connected me unfortunately suffered in the same fate.

872
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:07.960
Yeah, a lot of people have
to I mean a minute, it

873
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:13.280
happened. The gentleman's name was Jovenil
Boise uh and he was the president.

874
01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:19.360
He was elected in twenty twenty,
but in twenty twenty one he was assassinated

875
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:24.239
and immediately people came out with the
Clinton theory that somehow he was fighting their

876
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:28.880
efforts to you know, rape,
pillage and plunder, so they took them

877
01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:31.880
out. So some people automatically out
added him to the Clinton body count hole.

878
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:36.760
Yeah, and plus jo I'm in
Loura Sophie, I'm in the she

879
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:42.480
ring a bell. I mean,
you know, I mean, if we

880
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:46.840
I'm you know, I'm not trying
to cause it the unpleasantries. But yeah,

881
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:50.360
no, no problem. Look,
but just like in any street fight

882
01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:53.480
or street brawl situation, there's also
going to be people that are gonna walk

883
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:58.440
around and pick up all the spare
change that gets dropped on the ground during

884
01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:00.840
the fighting. Right, Uh,
this is something that occurs, so there's

885
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:05.440
gonna be lots to be gained.
Uh. As there's a bit of chaos

886
01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.800
there, some people are gonna sweep
up, you know, just the wreckage,

887
01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:10.760
the leavings, if you will,
of this mess. And believe me,

888
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:15.800
the cocaine is not going to be
interrupted guaranteed. The people that are

889
01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:19.800
really running that business are gonna make
sure the shipments are not delayed. There

890
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:23.440
will not be a supply chain issue
there. Uh, Okay, it's gonna

891
01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:25.880
happen. I mean, I know
cocaine is not the big, main,

892
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:32.000
main, you know, main event
drug at this point. But but still

893
01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:37.159
right, it's venting all right now, but cocaine is still profitable, I

894
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:40.199
assure you. Anyways, Look,
we're gonna take a quick break here on

895
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:43.840
the Friday night open mic, and
I got one more caller to get to,

896
01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:47.320
uh after Chris here, and uh, we'll probably get back around to

897
01:03:47.320 --> 01:04:01.920
everybody if we can't. Oh,
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913
01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:21.360
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914
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Illuminati. Ooh, that's interesting,
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931
01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:50.719
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Get ready? Okay, second segment
the only commercial break we're gonna take tonight,

956
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And it was a long one.
Sorry about that, folks, But

957
01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:56.079
here it is a little bit of
something goes on behind the scenes during the

958
01:14:56.119 --> 01:14:58.880
break, and uh, it takes
me a few minutes to get back to

959
01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:02.560
the mic. Way We got about
another forty minutes left until Aaron Franz starts

960
01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:06.359
up with the Age of Transitions.
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961
01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:11.319
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962
01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:15.560
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963
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com feed. So anyways, be
Pete, where the hell were we?

964
01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:24.159
We were onto a bunch of different
things here. We got into Haiti for

965
01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:28.880
a minute, real id, and
we got a familiar caller who I can

966
01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:32.199
still identify on the board, and
anybody else who wants to join us by

967
01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:36.960
the bye three one nine five two
seven five zero one six. That's three

968
01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:42.359
one nine five two seven five zero
one six, And I'll try and get

969
01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:46.560
people in for multiple drops during their
phone calls. Uh, but it looks

970
01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:49.119
like we got Jimmy James on the
line, So unless you got something that

971
01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:51.800
we need to add in right here, bet Pete, I say we get

972
01:15:51.800 --> 01:15:56.159
to Jimmy James next and then roll
from there. What do you say,

973
01:15:57.439 --> 01:16:00.439
Yeah, let's go to Jimmy and
see what he's got on his mind tonight.

974
01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:03.600
There you go, Jimmy James.
I'm thinking you don't want to talk

975
01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:06.640
about Haiti. But then again,
maybe you do, or you got something

976
01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:12.840
else on your mind. How you
doing tonight? Doing good? Here?

977
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:17.119
Check? Yeah, I don't really
want to talk about Haiti. If you

978
01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:20.439
want to know what's going on on
the arm shit, I guess I could

979
01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:25.920
give you a quick synopsis, though
I don't really want to. Okay,

980
01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:30.399
then don't. Hey, look you
know cannibalism, Let's skip it, okay.

981
01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:36.239
Uh what do you got on your
mind tonight? Ah? Well,

982
01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:43.199
just bits of things I've been there
reading seeing, just things. It might

983
01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:51.119
be just you might find this interesting
pp in Paul Blues series, The Other

984
01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:58.199
Oswald? Have you listened to that
you have BP? No? I haven't

985
01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:03.640
yet. Is this talking about two
different Oswalts? No, he doesn't,

986
01:17:04.039 --> 01:17:15.640
No, he's he's just pointing out
that she feels that, uh geez,

987
01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:21.319
that thorn Leine was an alternative to
Oswald, so he were bringing to him

988
01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:29.399
as the other Oswald. Ah well, I mean, honestly, I don't

989
01:17:29.399 --> 01:17:33.159
know what to make of Kerry Thornley
all the way around sometimes because there's a

990
01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:38.880
lot going on there, man,
you know, as far as the other

991
01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:43.680
Oswald that does evoke various theories,
And you're talking about Paul Blow or Blue

992
01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:46.239
or however you say his name.
And I introduced him at the conference and

993
01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:50.560
still can't pronounce his name straight.
The guy who is a co author for

994
01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:55.319
that book choke holds right, That
guy is doing a series on this new

995
01:17:58.119 --> 01:18:02.840
Yes, it's a few more back. He released this as Derek coff It's

996
01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:11.840
just a fight Fight episode series podcasts
about a half hour forty minutes apiece.

997
01:18:12.239 --> 01:18:19.279
Okay, and he did have a
very nice job. And wait a minute,

998
01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:26.479
all those let me get clear on
this. Thornley he was the guy

999
01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:31.039
who what is it? Didn't you
the baker make the comment that Thornley was

1000
01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:41.399
supposedly was running around with Marina.
Oh, I can't keep track of Judy's

1001
01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:45.439
nonsense, but no, I mean
Thornley was. I mean, I think

1002
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:46.880
that was one of the things she
attributed to him. But also Thornley.

1003
01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:50.960
Wasn't he the one that pulled the
trigger on the gun in the bank so

1004
01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:54.359
that he'd be in jail? No? No, no, no, no,

1005
01:18:54.479 --> 01:19:00.800
no, no, no. That
guy is Oh good god, I

1006
01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:04.119
should know his name off the top
of my head. And it's military with

1007
01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:10.600
Oswald, correct, And wasn't he
also down in New Orleans? Yes,

1008
01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:19.439
hold on, Uh, this is
the complicated part. He wasn't he was

1009
01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:28.399
on the ship with Oswald. I
mean, I guess he did kind of

1010
01:19:28.520 --> 01:19:33.199
no Oswald, Is that right,
Chuck? But he denied being in New

1011
01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:40.279
Orleans at the time that Oswald was
there. Okay, there's a definite there's

1012
01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:45.840
definite proof that he was there.
Okay, Well, you know the contingent

1013
01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:51.479
that he would be an alternate Oswald
used in you know, another event or

1014
01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:56.960
this event eventually, if things hadn't
gone away they had. I think it's

1015
01:19:57.000 --> 01:20:00.920
highly probable because if you look back
at Dick Russ, who did the interview

1016
01:20:01.439 --> 01:20:04.159
with the guy that pulled the trigger
in the bank to go to jail,

1017
01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:10.640
whatever his name was, that's Richard
in the Playboy interview that the name Alec

1018
01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:15.359
Haddell, which was found on some
IDs that Oswald had, was a common

1019
01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:21.479
name used in the agency for different
people at different times. So it's very

1020
01:20:21.479 --> 01:20:30.319
conceivable that Thornley could have been even
unknowingly set aside as an alternate eye Walt

1021
01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:36.399
and something else. Here's the thing, because he actually plays recordings of Thornley

1022
01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:43.800
later on in life, where he
that's the conclusion that Thornley came to is

1023
01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:48.760
that he was meant to be some
sort of Patsy, an alternate Patsy or

1024
01:20:48.840 --> 01:20:56.359
something. Yeah. Well, look, you know, I wonder, I

1025
01:20:56.439 --> 01:21:00.319
wonder what the main when you hear
stories like that. You know, he

1026
01:21:00.319 --> 01:21:02.079
could have been an alternate Patsy here, or he could have been somebody that

1027
01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:09.000
would be used for something at another
time. Is it possible that things did

1028
01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:13.920
not go according to plan in Dallas
and Oswald had to be taken out if

1029
01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:17.560
Oswald had been able to Let's say, Oswalt was involved definitely in some way,

1030
01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:21.960
and after this event, he flies
to Coup, goes back to Russia,

1031
01:21:23.039 --> 01:21:26.199
goes to Cuba wherever he can find
somewhere that will let him in.

1032
01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:30.840
Is it possible that Thornley could have
been used to do something later that could

1033
01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:36.239
have been supposedly tied to Oswalt?
You know, is Oswald one of those

1034
01:21:36.239 --> 01:21:41.600
things that would have been a recurring
thing had Ruby not killed him in the

1035
01:21:41.640 --> 01:21:45.840
you know, the basement of Dallas
jail. Well, look, there's been

1036
01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:49.039
a lot of you know, these
alleged templates that could have been used.

1037
01:21:49.439 --> 01:21:53.239
People talk about, you know,
the guy from the Chicago plot, right,

1038
01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:58.359
They talk about Thornley. Thornley also
started the Discordian Society and all that.

1039
01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:01.600
I would look to Adam go Rightley's
book on him actually kind of wrote

1040
01:22:01.960 --> 01:22:08.640
a sort of biography on him to
explain Thornley quite a bit. And I

1041
01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:13.039
think it's how he met Lee Oswald
is somehow part of the title or something

1042
01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:16.920
in that book, if I remember
correctly. But Adam go Rightley, who

1043
01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:21.359
is an odd author in the JFK
genre for sure, even among the oddities,

1044
01:22:23.479 --> 01:22:26.600
wrote a lot about him. But
Thornley has been brought up over and

1045
01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:30.279
over again. You know, could
he have been associated with this? Could

1046
01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:34.119
he have been one of those useful
assets? You know, Joan Mellon has

1047
01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:40.600
a favorite or two of these possible
useful assets as well, a lot of

1048
01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:45.439
them seeming to revolve around the New
Orleans area for one reason or another.

1049
01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:47.760
I mean, you know, there's
a whole bunch to this. It's not

1050
01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:50.800
a simple question. But the guy
that you're talking about with Dick Russell,

1051
01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:55.720
by the way, is Richard case
Neguel. That's who that is. It's

1052
01:22:55.720 --> 01:23:02.600
all right, Which Chuck just dropped
the great that last Jeff K miss.

1053
01:23:02.720 --> 01:23:06.920
So they did a real good job
cover in that PP just a couple of

1054
01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:11.560
weeks ago. Well, the whole
problem with you know, hey, he

1055
01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:15.399
shot intentionally into the wall of the
bank and then went outside and sat down

1056
01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:19.720
to be arrested was the story for
a long time. But it kind of

1057
01:23:19.720 --> 01:23:24.279
clashes with the police reports. It
kind of clashes with him attempting to flee.

1058
01:23:24.359 --> 01:23:28.840
It kind of clashes with a bunch
of things that happened if you believe

1059
01:23:29.079 --> 01:23:32.520
the police reports, which in this
case, I know it's unusual for me

1060
01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:36.600
to say, but I tend to
think that something happened that where he didn't

1061
01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:40.880
just voluntarily say, hey, look, come and lock me up because I

1062
01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:45.319
don't want to be part of this. I kind of don't buy that part

1063
01:23:45.319 --> 01:23:49.640
of the story, although at one
time I sort of did good an a

1064
01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:56.600
miscellaneous interesting piece of knowledge EP and
I have no idea where he got this,

1065
01:23:56.640 --> 01:24:00.840
because I haven't run into this paper
yet. But he says in nineteen

1066
01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:11.359
seventy nine they did give rad by
Beckham is not stress tests a big call

1067
01:24:11.399 --> 01:24:15.640
the voice voice stress analysis. They
did voice stress analysis and a polygraph on

1068
01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:20.920
him. Yet, yeah, and
for wherever that's worth, you know,

1069
01:24:21.079 --> 01:24:26.319
fifty to fifty he did pass it, which I didn't even know they got

1070
01:24:26.520 --> 01:24:32.560
did that because I knew that eight
that Dallas wanted to do that. But

1071
01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:36.840
the way I read it is they
denied it, but apparently in nineteen seventy

1072
01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:43.520
nine Paul Blue says they did,
so he must have documents on that.

1073
01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:46.960
I kind of like to get copies
of it. I'm aware that they did

1074
01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:50.199
voice stress analysis on it because that
was one of those things that I followed

1075
01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:55.199
through for a while, and that
was you know, this also came up

1076
01:24:55.239 --> 01:25:00.359
with Joan Mellon because Joan was very
much into I think that Beckham was one

1077
01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:03.920
of the people that Joan looked at
as sort of one of the possible alleged

1078
01:25:03.960 --> 01:25:09.520
Oswalt's not literally a doppelganger or a
duplicate or you know, part of the

1079
01:25:09.560 --> 01:25:14.000
CIA plot proper or whatever, but
what it is is that maybe another guy

1080
01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:16.119
could have been used to her.
Yeah that, you know, I think

1081
01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:24.359
I think her thought well, I
won't speak for but definitely my thought was,

1082
01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:29.920
yeah, definitely Beckham was the next
in line. Something happens, everyone

1083
01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:33.920
take a step left, or if
it did have to get bigger, the

1084
01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:38.840
so called plot, you know,
then there you go, Austin, you

1085
01:25:38.960 --> 01:25:43.359
got Beckham you got Thornley, all
these guys that somehow knew each other.

1086
01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:45.359
But you know, you could see
where it could go, right, And

1087
01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:49.399
because Valley was a former marine or
whatever, you could have tied him into

1088
01:25:49.439 --> 01:25:53.000
it and said, oh, look
this is there's this big, you know,

1089
01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:58.479
underground plot of you know, former
military assets one way or another.

1090
01:25:59.319 --> 01:26:01.479
If you need a larger plot to
lay it on, you could have.

1091
01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:05.800
That's another potential thing where you don't
have a loan assassin and they say,

1092
01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:10.560
oh look, there's clearly got to
be connectivity between some people. You just

1093
01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:14.600
sort of round up all the patsies
and say, okay, Valley knew Oswald

1094
01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:18.840
because he's a marine, right,
and they both had some involvement in anti

1095
01:26:18.880 --> 01:26:25.520
Castro and pro Castro Cubans that they
were supposedly involved in training both of them,

1096
01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:28.600
and you connect them together Beckham's in
New Orleans. You know what I'm

1097
01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:31.279
saying, Like, here you go. I can't draw it all out because

1098
01:26:31.319 --> 01:26:34.760
nobody's ever done it. But the
potential is there that you could have tied

1099
01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:41.760
a whole bunch of patsies together and
said here's your plot, right, Fraser,

1100
01:26:42.279 --> 01:26:47.479
Buel Wesley Fraser, Yeah, why
not a young Knight or old receptible

1101
01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:57.000
young man to the evil communist intentions
of Lee Oswald. Well, you know,

1102
01:26:57.279 --> 01:27:03.720
charismatic Lee Harmy Oswald, right,
But I say that jokingly to go

1103
01:27:03.880 --> 01:27:08.840
that way, I think they,
I mean, clearly, these people at

1104
01:27:09.239 --> 01:27:16.399
plans contingency plans, contingency of contingency
plans, because nothing went right in Dallas

1105
01:27:16.479 --> 01:27:20.319
and yet it did get pulled off. Well, see, there's the other

1106
01:27:20.399 --> 01:27:24.439
thing is let's just say, okay, for the sake of argument, that

1107
01:27:24.479 --> 01:27:30.119
you've got a completely oblivious patsy,
right, and he just accidentally doesn't go

1108
01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:32.880
to work when he's supposed to,
or somehow, you know, winds up

1109
01:27:32.920 --> 01:27:35.840
cracking his tooth and goes to a
dentist or you know, god knows what,

1110
01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:44.520
right, and he's at a position
you're gonna needs. What's that gets

1111
01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:46.880
hit by a bus okay, gets
hit by a bus whatever, right,

1112
01:27:47.239 --> 01:27:50.520
Or decides to stay home and not
go to work because he's gonna argue with

1113
01:27:50.600 --> 01:27:55.159
Marina about moving back in with him. Whatever. Let's just say the guy

1114
01:27:55.239 --> 01:28:00.199
takes himself out of position through something
they couldn't foresee. You need other guys

1115
01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:03.720
to fall back on, and who
knows right? And again if you needed

1116
01:28:03.760 --> 01:28:09.039
a larger plot because suddenly proofer merged
that somebody had to be involved with X

1117
01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:12.840
y Z. Well, maybe they
have a convenient guy waiting, because they

1118
01:28:12.840 --> 01:28:15.840
can say, like I said,
you got two former marines, right,

1119
01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:19.880
or two former military guys. They
knew each other because and this guy thought

1120
01:28:20.000 --> 01:28:23.159
they was on a boat with him, you know, et cetera. I

1121
01:28:23.159 --> 01:28:28.119
mean, they could just expand they
could just kept expanding it because for something

1122
01:28:28.560 --> 01:28:32.039
they were right around. There's especially
in New Orleans. It's like, come

1123
01:28:32.079 --> 01:28:36.119
on, what is the chances it
that? I mean it is, I

1124
01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:42.880
guess by chance, but it's really
weird. Yeah, but there you go,

1125
01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:45.319
how do you know certain people later
in life anyway because you met him

1126
01:28:45.319 --> 01:28:49.439
along the way doing something? Uh, And and it probably wouldn't be too

1127
01:28:49.439 --> 01:28:56.119
hard to figure out different ways to
either fabricate or pull people literally from their

1128
01:28:56.479 --> 01:29:00.399
natural connections, their natural sph spheres
of influence in real life and say,

1129
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:03.560
well, this person's connected to this
one, or there could be a connected

1130
01:29:03.560 --> 01:29:08.760
person in between, you know.
Okay, so these two guys trained Cubans

1131
01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:13.039
at some point and offered to train
Cubans, right, maybe they knew the

1132
01:29:13.039 --> 01:29:17.000
same guy that they were offering to
train Cubans with you know, the approach

1133
01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:21.520
to berengear. I mean, there
you go. Or maybe he's a you

1134
01:29:21.520 --> 01:29:25.960
know, look, there's all kinds
of ways to try and tie people together,

1135
01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:28.920
and it could have been done if
it was necessary. But since you

1136
01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:32.000
don't need more than the loan nut, why bother? Right? So maybe

1137
01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:40.119
they were contingency players. Yeah,
no, right now, I just want

1138
01:29:40.119 --> 01:29:43.399
to say, for the record,
this is all speculation. I'm not saying

1139
01:29:43.399 --> 01:29:46.359
that any of this happened. I'm
just saying that there are people that say,

1140
01:29:46.119 --> 01:29:51.640
we're just speaking here and I could
hear be peace chopped and at the

1141
01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:55.880
bits to say so, I'm go
ahead, but I don't want to talk

1142
01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:58.760
over you. Yeah, BP,
did you want to add something in here?

1143
01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:01.439
Oh no, I've been listening now. I mean I agree with your

1144
01:30:01.439 --> 01:30:05.720
theory. Yeah, you can have
a collective bunch of patsis what would that?

1145
01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:11.239
What is it? What would a
group of patsies be called? But

1146
01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:19.960
hear you, guys, I want
to hear your guys's reaction in this part's

1147
01:30:20.600 --> 01:30:26.520
more than theory. It just seems
to be there's an A team, a

1148
01:30:26.560 --> 01:30:32.279
B team, a C team,
and they know different various things, but

1149
01:30:32.359 --> 01:30:38.079
no one except the A team knows
what's really going on. I kind of

1150
01:30:38.119 --> 01:30:44.399
look at Oswald and Thrnley and all
these goofy people as the B team,

1151
01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:49.560
like they're they're going to be doing
things, but they don't exactly know why.

1152
01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:54.720
Well, how about they're all part
of the B team that you know

1153
01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:57.880
they're they're all part of the B
team, but they don't necessarily need to

1154
01:30:57.880 --> 01:31:00.159
know each other, and they're all
being put in place so that the A

1155
01:31:00.279 --> 01:31:02.640
team actually gets the job done and
we don't know who the hell those people

1156
01:31:02.680 --> 01:31:06.399
are still. How about that?
You know that would be the way I

1157
01:31:06.399 --> 01:31:11.159
would get it. Well, we
do, we do kind of know who

1158
01:31:11.239 --> 01:31:15.000
the age. I mean, Colonel
Rip Roberts was there. He was up

1159
01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:18.159
and if he was there, his
team was there. They were up to

1160
01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:25.720
sell. No, there's a lot
of strange goings on there, like why

1161
01:31:25.800 --> 01:31:29.720
is there you know, suddenly a
military intelligence photographer that gets stuck in the

1162
01:31:29.720 --> 01:31:31.399
school book depository. He needs his
boss to get him out, right,

1163
01:31:32.039 --> 01:31:36.600
Uh, you know, weird stuff
like that. That one that one I

1164
01:31:36.680 --> 01:31:40.920
got an answer for. It turns
out, you know, they act like

1165
01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:45.479
this guy's a super secret This guy
was a knee nothing, that his job

1166
01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:50.199
was to look into the backgrounds of
people that wanted to join the military.

1167
01:31:50.399 --> 01:32:01.000
The close playing guy that said he
was a special agent and possibly people misheard

1168
01:32:01.039 --> 01:32:06.840
him and said secret Service agent.
But he was the guy taking pictures,

1169
01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:11.399
wasn't he, Chuck, Well,
no, he ends up with that one

1170
01:32:11.439 --> 01:32:16.800
picture of the school book depository.
Uh, you know, oddly branded Bradley

1171
01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:23.199
Brandon, something like, oh,
no, you're talking about Braiden. Braiden,

1172
01:32:23.279 --> 01:32:26.199
the guy they arrested. The guy
that's the guy they arrested coming out

1173
01:32:26.199 --> 01:32:31.399
down text building. Yeah. Yeah, well they held it because he flashed

1174
01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:34.760
a badge. He kept trying to
hang around them, and then they're like,

1175
01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:42.720
who are you? And now everyone
says the Army's little secret of agents

1176
01:32:42.760 --> 01:32:49.840
were partner around this guy's background was
he was literally just calling people's school teachers

1177
01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:55.319
at things of people that wanted to
join the military. Well, people have

1178
01:32:55.359 --> 01:33:00.039
a convoluted idea about uh, you
know, the these guys that are supposedly

1179
01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:06.079
the secret Service agents everywhere, Right, everybody points to that whole there's Secret

1180
01:33:06.119 --> 01:33:13.319
Service agents everywhere, and that's not
true. You know, there's one agent.

1181
01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:16.119
If you follow his testimony, he
jumps in and out of the motorcade

1182
01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:19.760
and he's running around trying to figure
out stuff. And if you follow what

1183
01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:25.439
he describes as running around, it's
really one guy running around with a Secret

1184
01:33:25.479 --> 01:33:29.359
Service ID. And he jumps back
on to a later car in the motorcade

1185
01:33:29.359 --> 01:33:34.000
and ends up, you know,
at Parkland eventually, and it's one guy.

1186
01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:38.560
It's it's not you know, fifty
Secret Service agents they're everywhere. No,

1187
01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:43.199
they're not. And they mix that
up with these other people that supposedly

1188
01:33:43.239 --> 01:33:46.960
had IDs, and you know,
there's a bunch of stuff going right.

1189
01:33:47.479 --> 01:33:54.920
But in that position, if someone
said I'm a special agent with whatever the

1190
01:33:55.039 --> 01:34:00.880
Army cis, they probably just a
special agent. And that people heard secrets

1191
01:34:01.159 --> 01:34:06.039
whatever you know, or some their
FBI I don't know well, And then

1192
01:34:06.079 --> 01:34:12.159
you got Sheriff's department personnel that are
not necessarily on duty, but we're hanging

1193
01:34:12.239 --> 01:34:16.920
around and sort of mobilized as well. And then nobody fills out a report

1194
01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:21.520
because nobody wants to go to Decker
and say that they were there. So

1195
01:34:21.640 --> 01:34:25.119
there's that going on, you know
what I mean, There's a lot of

1196
01:34:25.119 --> 01:34:29.279
people walking around that could have had
badges that are in that area. And

1197
01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:31.840
again people mix it up because somebody
saw a badge and they say, oh,

1198
01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:35.319
we thought they were Secret Service because
they were dressed in plain clothes,

1199
01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:40.920
and it could be an off duty
sheriff or deputy. You know. There's

1200
01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:45.439
all kinds of even one of them
reserved ones, like that guy that looked

1201
01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:51.000
like he's seventy sam or the guy
that they had guarding the ramp right who

1202
01:34:51.039 --> 01:34:55.760
was a reserve officer and he didn't
see ruby, you know, even though

1203
01:34:55.760 --> 01:35:00.279
he should have. The guy who's
what do they call him auxiliary, right,

1204
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:03.239
and uh, and he was just
guarding the ramp, you know.

1205
01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:08.079
So anyway, there's a lot going
on here and people mix things up,

1206
01:35:08.159 --> 01:35:11.920
the Secret Service agents everywhere. It
really it comes down to one guy.

1207
01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:15.680
If you take a look at his
Warren Commission testimony, it helps nobody to

1208
01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:18.840
think that this guy jumped around and
ran around a bit, which he did

1209
01:35:19.520 --> 01:35:25.000
and apparently ended up on a car
further down in the motor cake and just

1210
01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:28.800
took the ride. Okay, So
and it's one agent. I can't remember

1211
01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:30.119
the agent's name off the top of
my head, but it's one guy.

1212
01:35:32.439 --> 01:35:36.079
Was it the one? Well,
it did turn out that they had another

1213
01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:41.520
advanced age if no one ever mentioned
before. So there may have been two,

1214
01:35:42.319 --> 01:35:46.000
yeah, maybe, but mainly the
one guy who's running around like crazy

1215
01:35:46.039 --> 01:35:51.760
is the guy who jumped off of
a car. Yeah. Yeah, there

1216
01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:56.079
was one guy who jumped off of
a car. And he gives testimony to

1217
01:35:56.119 --> 01:35:59.279
the Warren Commission that he ran around
and was trying to figure out what was

1218
01:35:59.319 --> 01:36:02.680
going on. And look, you
know that that area is small guy that

1219
01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:08.560
started putting up his hands like what
what what or something? Yeah, that

1220
01:36:08.600 --> 01:36:12.239
guy. And but but he ends
up running around and uh, like I

1221
01:36:12.279 --> 01:36:16.479
said, it's just he he's in
a bunch of places at once because he's

1222
01:36:16.520 --> 01:36:19.720
running around trying to get an eye
on this. Because nobody else jumped off

1223
01:36:19.720 --> 01:36:24.960
of the motorcade outside of Clint Hill
and what was it? Ready called him

1224
01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:28.720
back right and Clint Hill kept going. He ends up on the back of

1225
01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:31.199
the presidential limousine. But nobody else
jumped off of the running boards or anything

1226
01:36:31.880 --> 01:36:36.720
except this other guy. So anyway, but it's one guy and he and

1227
01:36:36.760 --> 01:36:40.680
he counts for it in the Warrant
Commission. You can line it up.

1228
01:36:41.199 --> 01:36:45.399
I just I forget the guy's name
because he's not important. Otherwise, well,

1229
01:36:45.840 --> 01:36:53.079
well, well, well a lot
of third so lately, like the

1230
01:36:53.159 --> 01:37:02.199
information when you guys got to the
Passos scenario and Octopus. Of course,

1231
01:37:02.199 --> 01:37:09.800
I had to first endure about a
half hour of Opperman talking crazy Trump at

1232
01:37:09.920 --> 01:37:15.199
Cock for well whatever. I couldn't
stop Opperman. He just kept rolling,

1233
01:37:15.239 --> 01:37:16.399
and I was just like, yeah, go ahead, man, you know,

1234
01:37:16.920 --> 01:37:19.159
talk about what you want to talk
about. I was trying to get

1235
01:37:19.159 --> 01:37:21.720
at some of those other shows,
and I even asked him about that crazy

1236
01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:26.520
JFK guess he had, so you
know, what are you gonna do,

1237
01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:31.199
ed Zone, Oh yeah, that's
really weird. Well, like you said,

1238
01:37:31.319 --> 01:37:35.760
he's just put the information out there, I guess. But yeah,

1239
01:37:35.840 --> 01:37:42.399
that Castillaro stuff i'd really like to
hear more. I mean, this octopus

1240
01:37:42.479 --> 01:37:46.279
thing, all it goes back,
well, you know the promised software.

1241
01:37:46.399 --> 01:37:50.560
Sure, but may Brussell was talking
about this stuff in nineteen seventy two,

1242
01:37:51.079 --> 01:37:56.720
right, And the reason she was
talking about it was because that speaker of

1243
01:37:56.760 --> 01:38:01.600
the house, that guy there in
Alaska was talking about it at that time

1244
01:38:01.840 --> 01:38:08.239
about how well allegedly he was speaking
about it at that time, about how

1245
01:38:08.239 --> 01:38:15.560
he's going to really look into the
octopus, which I've always kind of tipped

1246
01:38:15.680 --> 01:38:19.399
me into spoopery. Yeah. I
took it that way for a long time

1247
01:38:19.439 --> 01:38:24.600
too, until the Castellarro story surfaced. I just thought of it as a

1248
01:38:24.680 --> 01:38:28.920
metaphor. You know. But when
they get into this software and all this

1249
01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:32.119
backdoor stuff that was going on,
and it kind of starts to make sense

1250
01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:38.560
that this is a perfect NSA tool
considering the collections they were doing. And

1251
01:38:38.600 --> 01:38:43.119
then yeah, you get into an
area where eventually, guaranteed somebody's going to

1252
01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:45.760
figure out a way to monetize that. And if you've got all the inside

1253
01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:50.640
information, you've got access to everybody's
personal and private stuff, including their bank

1254
01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:56.239
account numbers and everything. You know, it's almost to guarantee that if that's

1255
01:38:56.319 --> 01:38:59.960
you know, concealed in a secret
of agency, what's going to happen.

1256
01:39:00.159 --> 01:39:02.960
And then they were selling knockoffs of
this stuff to other governments too, so

1257
01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:08.800
you know, it's it's a whole
mess, man. Uh. That Castillaro

1258
01:39:08.880 --> 01:39:12.039
story is one of those things that
can overwhelm you really easily, but it's

1259
01:39:12.039 --> 01:39:17.239
also a useful metaphor. Oh yeah, it's it's so it's so crazy,

1260
01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:23.720
it's like almost like the uh,
the guy on the park bench from DC.

1261
01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:29.640
Yeah, the mister another thing I
just what's this. You're talking about

1262
01:39:29.640 --> 01:39:33.880
the Donald Sutherland character mister X and
the movie JFK. Yeah, No,

1263
01:39:33.880 --> 01:39:41.079
No, I mean the Hillary Clinton's
whole boyfriend Manatha Lewis, Oh, Vince

1264
01:39:41.159 --> 01:39:45.359
Foster. Yeah, I was watching
something about that today. By the way,

1265
01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:47.800
there's some new information actually a lot
about that. I was thinking about

1266
01:39:47.920 --> 01:39:55.560
doing a show on it. But
go ahead. Uh it's oh, I

1267
01:39:55.560 --> 01:40:02.119
got there. I cook call to
Age of Transitions. But there was some

1268
01:40:04.199 --> 01:40:11.159
yeah, question about where Aaron.
Aaron is taking a break from phone calls.

1269
01:40:11.640 --> 01:40:14.920
Is why he doesn't want to take
phone calls for a few more weeks,

1270
01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:19.079
I think, and I don't know
exactly why, but he wants to

1271
01:40:19.079 --> 01:40:24.000
do the monologues and do certain things
certain ways and bring on guests. So

1272
01:40:24.159 --> 01:40:27.680
last week he had one line Bob
and uh yeah, that was that.

1273
01:40:30.680 --> 01:40:33.880
Well all right, so now that
can have been my bob, because they

1274
01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:40.079
were discussed as circuit boards, and
I tried to call in because they're talking.

1275
01:40:40.680 --> 01:40:46.880
It's just they're talking about the I
suppose Taiwan and how supposedly we want

1276
01:40:46.960 --> 01:40:51.039
to go to war because we got
to have the circuit boards. Oh that

1277
01:40:51.039 --> 01:40:56.479
that was in Aaron's hour. Yeah, yeah, in Aaron's talking about the

1278
01:40:56.479 --> 01:41:00.840
technical the tex stuff. Yeah,
if he taken Wait, I'm confused.

1279
01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:05.880
Is Aaron not taking calls or his
uncle not? Neither one is taking calls

1280
01:41:05.920 --> 01:41:14.920
for the next couple of weeks.
That's what they want it. Yeah,

1281
01:41:14.920 --> 01:41:16.760
it's got nothing to do with me. Uh, it's that that's what they

1282
01:41:16.760 --> 01:41:19.520
want. I'm just here, you
know, I'm just the producer. So

1283
01:41:20.079 --> 01:41:23.800
anyway, Jimmy James, I thank
you for calling. I'm gonna put you

1284
01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:28.520
on hold and uh beat Pete.
We got two other callers on hold here.

1285
01:41:28.600 --> 01:41:30.279
We gave Jimmy a lot of time. I mean, who should we

1286
01:41:30.640 --> 01:41:33.560
go to next? Or or or
do you got something you want to throw

1287
01:41:33.600 --> 01:41:38.880
in the hopper here? Because I
mean I gave you that story. See

1288
01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:41.479
if Harland still with us, see
he may be showing, but he could

1289
01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:45.199
be disconnected like it was last time. That's true. I'll tell you.

1290
01:41:45.279 --> 01:41:46.840
I found it interesting that story I
passed to you, and I think I

1291
01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:53.119
got Harlan back on. But that
story where somebody tried to swat my orcis

1292
01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:56.920
uh. You guys know about swatting, right where people call in a false

1293
01:41:56.960 --> 01:42:00.399
situation and they get a swat team
to show up at your house and stuff

1294
01:42:00.399 --> 01:42:03.000
like that. Gamers were doing this
to each other for years. Apparently somebody

1295
01:42:03.039 --> 01:42:09.159
tried to do that to a secretary
of my orcs recently and they busted the

1296
01:42:09.199 --> 01:42:14.119
guy. And there's been like a
serious uptick in these swatting incidents, which

1297
01:42:14.159 --> 01:42:17.880
is the weirdest phenomenal. What Nicky
Haley got? What swatted twice? I

1298
01:42:17.920 --> 01:42:26.159
think something like that. Yeah,
So Harlan, you with us? Hell?

1299
01:42:26.319 --> 01:42:30.159
Yeah, I'm wait all right,
so I made it through? Cool?

1300
01:42:30.279 --> 01:42:33.159
Did you hear about these swatting incidents
recently, Harland? Or you got

1301
01:42:33.159 --> 01:42:38.279
something else on your mind? Uh? Well, I got a couple other

1302
01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:43.640
well I had a couple other few
things. But you know, Jimmy's story

1303
01:42:43.720 --> 01:42:45.920
was pretty interesting. But I don't
know, I who have time. But

1304
01:42:45.760 --> 01:42:49.479
yeah, I've heard of a few
here and there, you know, over

1305
01:42:49.520 --> 01:42:54.920
the years. It's kind of scary
they personally, I really ain't got nothing

1306
01:42:54.960 --> 01:43:00.279
to worry about it when I'm home
for the most part, because it was

1307
01:43:00.279 --> 01:43:02.479
something other bad like that, you
know, time it got out, you

1308
01:43:02.520 --> 01:43:05.680
know, I mean, the other
people would know it was bullshit that could

1309
01:43:05.920 --> 01:43:09.880
you know, pull a string back
on that, you know what I mean?

1310
01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:15.800
But anyway, I have heard about
it. I think it's bullshit,

1311
01:43:15.359 --> 01:43:21.600
and I also think that they should
have to verify. There's several of these

1312
01:43:21.640 --> 01:43:28.680
situations could really get nasty for everybody
involved, because everybody now should have seen

1313
01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:33.159
at least a few videos or these
hooligans and these thieves and you know,

1314
01:43:33.239 --> 01:43:38.279
the scumbags runs up the people's house
beating on the door saying they're the police

1315
01:43:38.319 --> 01:43:44.800
anyway, you know, well alone
when it really is so I think they

1316
01:43:44.840 --> 01:43:46.720
should be a little bit more diligence, you know, put into some of

1317
01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:51.399
this before they just go sending us
what team, especially this day in time

1318
01:43:51.439 --> 01:43:56.479
where this is known to happen,
right, And you know what, Netflix

1319
01:43:56.520 --> 01:44:02.840
did a docu series ACI series in
twenty twenty two, I guess, you

1320
01:44:02.880 --> 01:44:05.880
know, and the lead story and
that was death by Swat And the name

1321
01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:11.359
of the series was Let's see uh
web of make believe death lies in the

1322
01:44:11.399 --> 01:44:14.399
Internet. And one of the main
things was, you know, these innocent

1323
01:44:14.399 --> 01:44:17.479
people getting gunned down. Uh,
because you know, two gamers end up

1324
01:44:17.560 --> 01:44:20.079
arguing with each other and one guy
goes, yeah, well i'll get you

1325
01:44:20.159 --> 01:44:24.319
back, and he sends a SWAT
team to the guy's house and it turns

1326
01:44:24.319 --> 01:44:29.520
out he had a VPN misdirecting him. And in another instance, the guy

1327
01:44:29.640 --> 01:44:32.960
sent him to the guy's old address
because somehow he was registered to his old

1328
01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:36.720
address. And there was just like
a family sitting down eating dinner and uh,

1329
01:44:36.840 --> 01:44:40.439
you know, Dad opens the door
and they just kill him right there

1330
01:44:40.479 --> 01:44:44.199
in the doorway. You know,
I watched that series. Did you see

1331
01:44:44.199 --> 01:44:46.279
that? That series? You know, Harlan, did you see that?

1332
01:44:48.439 --> 01:44:51.560
Now, I've heard some of the
stories, you know, like I say,

1333
01:44:51.800 --> 01:44:56.560
I mean, they need to be
more diligence put into this. I

1334
01:44:56.600 --> 01:45:00.359
mean, you know, George was
Washington said the power to tax is the

1335
01:45:00.399 --> 01:45:02.640
power to destroy. I say,
the power to accuse is the power to

1336
01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:06.920
destroy. Yes, And there's not
only you know, just this sweat that

1337
01:45:06.960 --> 01:45:09.720
I've heard of. I've heard of, you know,