WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:20.640 Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, Hi, 2 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:24.320 how you doing. Come on in and have a chair. Let's chat 3 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:31.559 for a minute or two. This week we're talking about communicating with the afterlife 4 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:36.679 for people who have crossed over into a place we call heaven, the home 5 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:42.920 base of the soul. And we're featuring a returning author who has a new 6 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:47.079 book, and you know, part of his book part of the discussion today 7 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:54.439 is channeling. And channeling has been going on for centuries, a millennia, 8 00:00:54.679 --> 00:01:00.240 actually thousands of years. We read about it in the chronicles of ancient Greek 9 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:07.799 stories. We get a sense of it in Egyptian phuronic society. I know 10 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:12.560 that the Maya used it. A lot of ancient cultures used it. And 11 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:19.319 one of the aspects of the channel is to channel somebody who has that you've 12 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:25.280 known, a relative, a friend, a mentor, a teacher, perhaps 13 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:30.920 somebody famous that you would like to communicate with. And I've had people on 14 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:34.480 this show who are channeling experts. In fact, we've had a couple of 15 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:42.400 people who've written specifically on the channeling phenomenon. And because of our Newtonian science 16 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:49.840 and physics, we have a our scientist today today, in our current epoch, 17 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:55.239 don't really believe in channeling because they can't test it, they can't prove 18 00:01:56.120 --> 00:02:00.879 it in their scientific study. But we have seen and we have read about 19 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:08.960 important inventions, importance data, important aspects of the physical life coming through channeled 20 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:15.360 means. And this is where the recipient, someone who wants to connect with 21 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:22.560 the afterlife, closes their eyes, goes into a meditative state and reaches out 22 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:29.639 and through a technique or two, connects with the consciousness of a departed soul. 23 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:35.879 This again, this can go also for people who are noted as scientists 24 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:40.639 or creative individuals. Really, the sky is the limit and you can look 25 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:47.039 up books on channeling and get a sense of what is coming through. Today 26 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:54.560 we are focusing specifically on the afterlife, people who have crossed over into death 27 00:02:55.479 --> 00:03:01.599 and are communicating with those of us who are live in physical bodies here on 28 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:10.680 the planet Earth. And the aspect that is focused on today is departed soul, 29 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:19.840 people who have died and their perspective, what are they on what they're 30 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:25.800 experiencing in heaven otherwise known as the afterlife. And this is important because, 31 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:31.840 as you'll hear in today's interview. There is an important database known as the 32 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:38.039 Akashik Records that we think is in that place called the afterlife or heaven, 33 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:46.560 and my guest today, doctor Matthew McKay, believes that this is something that 34 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:51.840 people who have departed work with, and he's of the belief that this is 35 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:57.280 something that is a learning tool. How do we get to that place if 36 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.520 you're physical is the big question I've been having. And we've had numerous guests 37 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:05.680 talking about the Akashik Records and they had their meditations, but it's looking more 38 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:13.479 and more that it's much more simple than a complex set of guidelines. It's 39 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:18.439 more like close your eyes, meditate, and then slowly begin nudging your way 40 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:27.040 with requests either using your higher self, your guides, those who you believe 41 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:34.399 are with you on the spiritual plane who can actually lead you to and to 42 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:42.360 connect with the Akashik Records. Now we've got over a number of programs discussing 43 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:48.920 the Acasha Records. It's my belief that people like Tesla use the Akashik Records 44 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:58.160 to bring in new machines. Some of them are appropriate, alternating current the 45 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:00.519 machines that ran it, some of them are not. Some of them, 46 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:05.759 the items that came through were not appropriate for this timeline. Case in point, 47 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:13.000 the Warrencliffe Tower. Why was it not credible for this time period? 48 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:19.079 Well, the Warrencliff Tower developed energy in the atmosphere, free energy so that 49 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:23.800 you didn't have to charge for it. And at the time Westinghouse and then 50 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:30.319 the other people like Edison were not backing Tesla for that, and they actually 51 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:33.399 pulled their funds so that he couldn't complete the work on the Warrencliffe Tower. 52 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:40.839 So, and this goes through science as well. And people who are looking 53 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:48.040 for the creative muse they go to the Akashik records and either through dreams or 54 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:58.639 through study and failures, they eventually bring through new inventions, new creative ideas, 55 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:02.319 new paintings, new writing. The sky's the limit And this is what 56 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:05.800 the Acachek record is all about. And this is part of our discussion today 57 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:12.160 is when you pass over, this is something that is used to assess what 58 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:16.759 has happened, to assess scenarios of what could happen and what didn't happen, 59 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:25.920 and evaluating your physical life. So today's program is Lessons from the Afterlife, 60 00:06:25.959 --> 00:07:06.319 and my guest is doctor Matthew McKay. We have a returning guest this week. 61 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:12.040 His name is doctor Matthew McKay. We've had Matthew on a couple of 62 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:17.000 different times. He is the author of the Luminous Landscape of the Afterlife, 63 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:25.040 and he has taken the whole idea of death and heaven and the afterlife and 64 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:33.240 the soul, and really I considered a repackaging a very important understanding of what 65 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:38.759 it means to pass away, what happens when we leave the physical body, 66 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:45.720 and what heaven is, what it means to be without body, and most 67 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:50.920 importantly, the various lifetimes we have when we come to this place called Earth. 68 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:56.560 And the new book that we are talking about today is called Lessons from 69 00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:01.800 the Afterlife, a deep knowledge tation guidebook. So and I had a chance 70 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:07.519 to look at this as this brand new just came out, and Matt it's 71 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:13.160 great to see you again and congratulations on this third book. Thanks glad to 72 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:18.600 be with you. Was this something that Jordan, your son said, Hey, 73 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:20.399 yeah, we need to pop another book out. We got more to 74 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:26.800 discuss, or was it just this is this kind of a continuation of the 75 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:31.039 channeling work that you've been doing with him. Well, we've been channeling now 76 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:39.360 for fifteen years. And as this has been the case before with Jordan, 77 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.440 he decides that we're going to do want he wants to do a book, 78 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.960 and he and there's a very specific topic. He feels that there's some need 79 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:54.840 in people who are incarnating to this planet to you know, for something that 80 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:58.200 he wants to offer them. And so, yeah, it's his idea. 81 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:01.320 And then he starts, and often and he did in this case, he 82 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:05.000 just outlined, you know, here's the basic you know, what the book 83 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:09.039 needs to look like. And then I guess I just started. I'm a 84 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:13.919 scribe. I'm just writing down what he has to say to me and putting 85 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:16.559 it together in the book over time. So it took about a year I 86 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:22.559 guess of channeling to get this. Let's let's go back to the beginning. 87 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.399 Jordan is your son who passed away. How many years has it been now 88 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:31.840 since he Ye, it's fifteen and a half years. And yeah, So 89 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:37.879 when he died, he was on his way home on a bicycle from work 90 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.639 and some men accosted him wanted, I think, to take his bike. 91 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:48.360 There was a huge fight and eventually broke away from them and one of them 92 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:54.519 shot him in the back and he died on the street. And I think 93 00:09:54.600 --> 00:10:00.159 I wanted to know from the moment I heard about it, what anyone who 94 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:07.000 loses a loved one wants to know is that that soul still exists and are 95 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:11.879 they okay? Are they okay where they are? And I just set out 96 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:16.080 on a journey to find Jordan and to answer those questions. And you know, 97 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:22.759 I saw them initially through mediums. I saw him via this process called 98 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:31.159 induced after death Communication I ADC that Alan Bodkin pioneered. That came out of 99 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.480 E m DR and it's a very variation of BMBR, which I use all 100 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:39.200 the time with my clients to help the problem loss. And I did have 101 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:46.240 the experience with Bodkin of actually hearing Jordan and hearing him say the things to 102 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:48.480 me that I desperately needed to know that he was okay, that he loved 103 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:52.080 us, that he was watching over us, he was a good place, 104 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:58.279 and that was very powerful and meant so much to me to hear his voice 105 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:03.120 and to have the actual moment of contact for the first time since he died. 106 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:07.759 But I wanted to have a conversation with him. I wanted to actually 107 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:11.720 be able to ask questions and hear his answers and respond to him. And 108 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:18.120 so I consulted the late Ralph Messner, who's kind of a specialist in after 109 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:26.120 death communication, in the afterlife and use of psychedelics for you know, achieving 110 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:33.080 insight and awareness, and he taught me how to channel and how to do 111 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:37.200 channel writing at Channel Communication. That night, I went home and had my 112 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:41.679 first channel conversation with Jordan, who just blew my mind. And Yeah, 113 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:45.559 I didn't think something like that was possible for me, but it was is. 114 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:50.320 And ever since then, Jordan has been telling me amazing things. I 115 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.879 mean, you know, you know, he's answered my deepest questions, and 116 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:03.120 he's advised me and guided me how to live my life. And he's given 117 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:07.120 me a picture of the afterlife and our purpose in coming to earth that I 118 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:11.639 could never imagined at that time and has meant so much to me. It's 119 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.080 been such a gift for me. Talk about the channeling process, Matt, 120 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:22.200 I mean, you actually have provided a meditative approach for people who read the 121 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:26.120 book to do their own form of channeling, which I think is fantastic. 122 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:33.759 But when someone is preparing to connect with the afterlife, be it somebody who 123 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:39.919 they're familiar with or not. What is the channeling process? Is it simply 124 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:43.440 a meditation or is it an intention? Before we go in, talk a 125 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:48.559 little bit about the process. Yeah, you know, it's something that I 126 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:52.720 think anyone can do. I've taught hundreds of people had a channel, and 127 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:56.600 a lot of clients that come to me who've lost a dear person in their 128 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:01.960 life, and I've talked of the channel and so it's actually pretty simple. 129 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:05.759 And you know, just first of all, you just need something to create 130 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:11.320 eye fixation to, like a candle. That's usually just quite nice poking in 131 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:15.399 your eyes on the candle. The next thing you need is an object that 132 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:18.159 connects you to that person on the other side, and it could be something 133 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:22.679 that they owned or something that they gave you, but it's just some object 134 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:30.120 that connects you to that person's and then the process of opening a channel. 135 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:33.039 Before you do that, make sure you have a notebook, because you want 136 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:37.000 to write down your questions and write down the answers. Physically writing them down 137 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:43.159 as part of the channeling process, and it actually deepens the altered state necessary 138 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:48.879 for channeling. So have a notebook. The actual beginning of the channeling process 139 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:52.039 is simple of a positive meditation, just a breath based meditation. You pay 140 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:54.799 attention to your breath, You bring your attention down to your diaphragm. On 141 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:58.960 every outbreath, you just count for stout birth one in the second outbreak, 142 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:01.639 two, third, half, three and so forth to get the ten. 143 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:05.919 Then start over. So you're just focusing on your breath and when thoughts arise, 144 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:09.759 notice the thought as soon as you can and gently bring your attention back 145 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:13.840 to your breath. So that's the meditation. It's a very simple focusing, 146 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:18.639 breath based meditation, and it does create an altered state and it begins to 147 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:22.720 open the channel. So I just encourage people and I do myself. Just 148 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:28.039 go through a number of counts to ten on the outbreath until I feel a 149 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:33.639 kind of quietness, settling in a kind of receiptivity, the kind of openness, 150 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:37.600 and at that point my thoughts sort of slow down. And at that 151 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.240 point Ralph taught me to just visualize an orb the color of the sun right 152 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:46.480 above your head. Just imagine that orb of their colored sun, and ultimately, 153 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:50.159 as you're visualizing it, also be in touch with the person you love 154 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:54.799 and have the full intention of connecting to them out of love. You're going 155 00:14:54.879 --> 00:15:00.120 to connect through love, And then visualize the orb expanding like a tube all 156 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:03.039 the way to the person that is on the other side. And at that 157 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:07.159 point the channel is open and you could start, and I encourage people to 158 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:11.879 just begin, write your first question. Just watch the words take shape on 159 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:18.440 the page. Again, that's part of channeling, part of deepening your altered 160 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:22.960 state. Watch the words and then open and wait and the first thing that 161 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.440 enters your mind, the first words, and your mind writing them down, 162 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:31.000 even that they don't make any sense, Just trust that whatever shows up will 163 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:33.840 eventually make sense. Write down the very first things that are your mind. 164 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:41.159 Sometimes you have to wait and see what happens next. Maybe another phrase or 165 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:46.399 another sentence comes, and just keep waiting until you have what feels like an 166 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:50.159 answer and then ask your next question. Now, the answers come in different 167 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:54.399 ways. Sometimes it comes as a download of knowing just boom, you know, 168 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:56.159 you just know it. You don't even have words for it is total 169 00:15:56.200 --> 00:16:03.159 awareness. Sometimes it's just very compressed, just a few words. Sometimes it 170 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:07.759 comes as a picture, an image, and sometimes it comes as a whole 171 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.480 string of words so fast. Sometimes you can't even keep up with it. 172 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.279 But it comes in different ways and it's okay. Whatever way comes is fine, 173 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:21.799 and just look down what you get. That's the process that Ralph taught 174 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:26.279 me. And it's exactly what I use when I contact Jordan every week we 175 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:30.399 channel, and it's exactly the same process. And other people use the process 176 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:34.879 and are able to channel as well. You have your son as the afterlife 177 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:41.320 connection for your channeling, but somebody else who perhaps doesn't have a special person, 178 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:47.679 can they reach out and say, I'd like to have someone to work 179 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:52.159 with in the afterlife to channel, or how would you suggest somebody who doesn't 180 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:59.759 necessarily have a loved one or anyone of note, how did they prepare? 181 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:04.200 How do they reach out and find that connection? Yeah, and that's really 182 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:08.960 I'm glad you're asking that because it's is an important question because you don't necessarily 183 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:15.440 have to can't channel someone who's died. Uh? And so you know, 184 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:19.039 remember that moment I talked about you send the message, the orbit is above 185 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:23.319 your head and you're preparing to send the message, you're preparing to open the 186 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:26.759 channel. Well, now that's the place where you the moment where you decide 187 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:32.960 on the address of your of your channel, the spiritual address. And now 188 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:36.920 if you don't have a loved one on the other side, you can you 189 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:41.039 can channel your spirit guide. We all have spirit guide, usually more than 190 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:45.440 one, but we we all have spirit guides who are intimately involved in our 191 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:49.359 lives and are are guiding us in any ways. Uh and and so this 192 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:56.759 is an opportunity to open the channel and actually ask questions of your guide another 193 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:00.920 and you can have the same kind of conversations that I have with Jordan, 194 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:07.599 that I have with my father sometimes with your guide. And another opportunity or 195 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:12.640 another address you can send channel messages to is your higher self. You're the 196 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:18.400 part of your soul that always remains in spirit, and all part of us, 197 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:22.039 part of our soul energy incarnates in these in these bodies that we live 198 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:27.000 in. Part of our soul energy always remains in spirit, always is in 199 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:32.640 the afterlife, and we can actually channel our own higher self and the and 200 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:37.480 the sole energy that always remains in the afterlife has knowledge that we forget when 201 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:41.839 we come here. It has knowledge of all our past lives. It has 202 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:48.200 the wisdom of everything we've learned in the afterlife, and so all that knowledge 203 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:51.000 is there all that wisdom is there, and we can connect to our own 204 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:55.680 wisdom, most of which we have forgotten and is you know, we we've 205 00:18:55.680 --> 00:19:00.839 had amnesia for when we incarnate. And the third thing you can do is 206 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:07.440 you can you can channel directly to the divine and in this very much like 207 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:11.000 prayers, but but it's it's a more active process. In prayer, it's 208 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:15.279 not asking for things from the divine. It's not asking can you help me 209 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.400 with this or that? But it's it's asking for guidance, asking for understanding. 210 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:23.440 And so we can send messages and and questions the divine and get answers 211 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:26.200 in the same way we can get them from our guides, the same way 212 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:30.720 we can get them from loved ones on the other side, in the same 213 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:33.880 way we can get from our higher self, our soul. Listen, spirit 214 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:41.319 is there? Uh and I And the book covers this afterlife heaven if you 215 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:45.359 want to call it that, if you're you're a religious person. But is 216 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:49.200 it important to be connected to the afterlife as a physical being? And if 217 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:56.440 so, what is the download? What is the what? What overall themes 218 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:02.400 are coming through while you're channeling Jordan that is I mean he's telling you about 219 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:07.079 the afterlife, but I'm just curious about your take. Well, I don't 220 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:14.359 think it's really super important to know everything about the afterlife. I mean, 221 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:19.000 I think if you are concerned about and worry about and fear death, as 222 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:23.279 I have for much of my life and as many people do, knowing as 223 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:26.960 much as you can about the afterlife can be a big help. But I 224 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:32.000 don't think it's necessary to know a lot about the afterlife in order to have 225 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:41.240 an effective life here. So yes, it can be really, really useful 226 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:45.359 to know about it, and I have found a lot of reassurance because Jordan 227 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:51.000 describes exactly what it's like, and he also describes why we leave the afterlife, 228 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:53.880 or why we a part of our energy incarnates to come here and live 229 00:20:53.920 --> 00:21:00.759 in these bodies. You just said that you used to be fearful of death? 230 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:08.000 Uh, what made you less fearful? In working with your son who 231 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:18.240 passed over, He's just made it so clear to me that we live on 232 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:23.599 after death, and that in fact, our relationships and the love that we 233 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:29.319 have for for those who have died, survives death. Death has no dominion 234 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:34.039 whatsoever over our relationships, over our love, And I think the most important 235 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:40.880 thing he's conveyed to me is that love, that relationship continues and and and 236 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:45.160 we can we can nurture that relationship. We can be deeply engaged in the 237 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:48.559 relationships with those on the other side. The love is there, the relations 238 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:52.279 there. And what Ralph Messer used to say to me is those those those 239 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:55.759 people, the souls on the other side, are just a thought away. 240 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:00.960 The thought just thinking of them opens the channel. And we don't realize that. 241 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:03.119 We think of the loved ones that think, oh my God, that 242 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:07.200 person's gone, and feel a sense of loss, or remember something about them 243 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:11.680 that we missed, but we don't realize that thinking about them actually opens the 244 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:15.640 channel and that and in that moment we can actually send messages and get messages. 245 00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:21.559 And that's all channeling is, is just thinking of and connecting to our 246 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:27.720 loved ones and and and through that channel connecting and communicating. I mean, 247 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:36.559 you're describing a certain form of growth, spiritual, physical, mental growth that 248 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:41.759 I am after reading this, beginning to think that is a part of the 249 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:48.599 physical incarnation. And I don't know how much background you have on the Hindu 250 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:53.079 and Chinese and these other how these ancient other cultures, including Native Americans use 251 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:00.720 the afterlife to help them in the current life. But it seems like it's 252 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:06.519 very important and we're not paying enough attention to it. Yeah, and that's 253 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:12.079 really true. I mean, all the cultures you mentioned facilitate in many cases 254 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:21.240 journeys into the afterlife to get guidance, to get wisdom. And I think 255 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:27.039 there's just tremendous value in that. I haven't attempted to do that. Well, 256 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:33.960 I actually that's wrong. I you know, Michael Newton wrote a famous 257 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:38.200 book on the Journey of Souls, and he was the behavioral therapist like I 258 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:44.000 am, and I am a hippo therapist too, And I'm fascinated by that 259 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:49.039 book because he he hypnotized seven thousand people before he ever wrote a book, 260 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:53.519 but before any of these people knew what the afterdoc had looked like him seventeen 261 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:59.960 seventy seven thousand people and they all described the same thing. They all described 262 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.000 the same elements of the afterlife. Uh, and that was that was a 263 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:07.039 very powerful experience for me reading that book, and then I learned how to 264 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:11.640 do that kind of regression to you know, where you regress somebody to their 265 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:15.720 past life then progress them into the death of the past life and then into 266 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:19.680 the life between lives, and I help people observe that life, and Ralph 267 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:25.200 helped me do it as well, have the experience of of of seeing me 268 00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:32.720 after life through a regression. So there are we do actually have some tools 269 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:37.799 to help people enter and look at the afterlife. But the ancients, certainly, 270 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:41.880 and the and and these and the great spiritual traditions offer tools as well. 271 00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:49.640 Uh. And so I'm there's some beautiful ways of learning about the afterlife 272 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:55.920 that are now available to us, including just channeling souls who are there who 273 00:24:55.960 --> 00:25:00.039 could tell us what it's like. Yeah, and I'm beginning to think that 274 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:06.359 we are supposed to do this. And in our Western culture we think it's 275 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:14.880 kind of a deprived, depraved focus by thinking or considering dead people. You 276 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:18.480 know, we make movies on that, whereas in the Latin culture, day 277 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:23.200 of the Dead is huge. It's a week long celebration where people go to 278 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:29.000 the grades of their loved ones and they I don't know, I mean, 279 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:32.799 you would know better than me. But if the Day of the Dead has 280 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:38.519 ceremony where you do seek to connect through a form of channeling the information of 281 00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:44.200 your lot, your past loved ones, or more or less, I just 282 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:49.920 think the ceremony brings something out that we just don't appreciate doing right, because 283 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:55.640 because what does that ceremony really mean? It means that the dead are not 284 00:25:55.880 --> 00:26:00.119 dead, The dead are, on some very important level, are still living. 285 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:03.240 That our relationship with them is very much alive and active, and that 286 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:07.240 our love is active, and that we can send love to them and they 287 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:11.480 can send love back to us. That's really what I think that day is 288 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:15.839 about, is the sending of love back and forth. That's a great point. 289 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:22.759 Yeah, that's a good point. It's a very beautiful tradition, you 290 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:26.680 know, don't you. I mean, I'm just curious about your thoughts about 291 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:32.200 here in the United States and then Western culture. I just think we stigmatize 292 00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:37.200 the whole death process, you know, and it's like when somebody passes over, 293 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:42.279 that's it, You're done. Which isn't true, is it? It's 294 00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:48.200 not true? And and I think the reason death is so stigmatized here is 295 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:55.839 that we we're just not comfortable with what does it mean to die? You 296 00:26:55.880 --> 00:27:00.200 know, Well, you disappear, you cease to exist, or or worse 297 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:04.160 yet, maybe you go to hell, you know, And we have that 298 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:11.079 God or the Divine sits in judgment of us and that and that we may 299 00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:14.480 be cast out. And that's one of the things that Jordan's said over and 300 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:18.799 over and over again to me. There is no judgment uh in in the 301 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:25.839 afterlife that you know you're You're not evaluated as good or bad. You're simply 302 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:30.799 there to learn. We incarnate to Earth to learn, we return to the 303 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:37.400 afterlife and we continue to learn. And in some ways it's our sacred mission 304 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:44.880 is learning. Because what Jordan has told me is that God created us, 305 00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.400 or the divine or the all Source, whatever we want to call it, 306 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:51.720 created these individual souls and we are God. We're all part of the say, 307 00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:53.279 we're all one. And that's one of the things that it's really important 308 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:56.119 to know when you know about when you know the after, I learned about 309 00:27:56.119 --> 00:28:00.000 the la after. Like what you learn is the power paradox. We're all 310 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:04.079 individual souls and we're all one at the same time, and we're all individual 311 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:07.960 souls and we're all God at the same time. And that paradox is so 312 00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:15.279 powerful and to be aware that of that oneness. But why do we exist? 313 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:21.279 And what Jordan says is that the Divine creates individual souls which are part 314 00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:26.160 of it, and sends them into a physical world to learn because there are 315 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:33.920 things the divine cannot learn in the spirit world. For example, how could 316 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:40.920 God ever understand what loss is. God doesn't lose anything. God doesn't lose 317 00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:47.680 anything, and so God could not understand loss and mourning and grief. He 318 00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:52.160 has to send us to the world, to this impermanent world, to experience 319 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:56.480 loss and to understand what it's like. What does that mean to lose and 320 00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:00.440 to grieve and to miss and to seek and to hunger for someone that's gone 321 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:07.519 or something that's gone. So we we learn all of this and uploaded to 322 00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:11.279 God. So everything we learn becomes part of what God knows. God continues 323 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.680 to evolve. That's the other thing sort of interesting. You know, God 324 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:19.160 doesn't judge, so that's kind of doesn't fit very much with my Judaeo Christian 325 00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:26.839 history. God doesn't judge. There's no hell. God welcomes us all into 326 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:33.440 into you know, the spirit world. But God created us and the whole 327 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.319 physical world to learn to learn things that aren't possible to know. There's no 328 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.680 pain in the spirit world, so how could we learn how to love in 329 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.559 the face of pain? Unless we came to a physical place in which we 330 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.319 struggle and face all the obstacles and pain that we experience. Is such a 331 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.240 great point, Matt, because and I want to talk to you real briefly 332 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:59.920 about how we script each life because there must be and I'm really curious that 333 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.119 about what Jordan has to say about this, and then also your impression if 334 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:10.400 we incarnate to a physical lifestyle a lifetime, is there a master script that 335 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:17.279 can be modified or is it we're following a script to the t and we 336 00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:25.400 live and we die with this pre arranged lifestyle. Such an important point, 337 00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:27.799 and you're raising here well, first of all, when we choose a life 338 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:33.759 and we offer from what I understand from Jordan and what actually Michael Newton describes 339 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.640 in his Journey of Souls is that we choose a life when we're ready to 340 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.640 incarnate, and we're offered three or four different choices, and we get to 341 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:45.200 choose among them and what's and we sort of understand some of the main outlines 342 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.039 of that life, some of the main things that are going to happen. 343 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:51.640 You might be incarnating into a body that has certain physical problems or a family 344 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:56.599 that has certain dynamics or a point in history where there's there's inflections of history, 345 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.759 like wars are happening or you know, so we kind of understand and 346 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.440 we have a sense of what that life is some of the main elements that 347 00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:11.240 life. However, the longer we live that life, the less those expected 348 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:18.359 outcomes are likely to occur, because all of our individual choices actually ultimately affect 349 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.599 what happens in that life. And so we enter a life with and it's 350 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.119 sort of scripted. It's like we could kind of see what that life kind 351 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:30.799 of looks like, but once we enter it, the script starts to change 352 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:37.799 because of our own choices, and so each of our choices actually ultimately affects, 353 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:42.039 you know, the various twists and turns of that life. So we 354 00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:48.559 actually create, in some point of the physical life beyond the script. So 355 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.359 we get a kind of a master script, is what you're describing. But 356 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.839 as we live it, and you're just said just now that the longer that 357 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.640 we live in a physical body, the more choices we have, what you 358 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.480 suggest, choices we have, and the more we start to depart from the 359 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:10.200 script that we understood at that moment where we first chose the life in the 360 00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:14.319 same way. I mean, this is another strange thing. But you know, 361 00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:16.680 when you from the spirit world, you can look at the entire Earth 362 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:21.480 history and you can see it from beginning to end. You can see the 363 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.119 whole history of the human race from beginning to end. But the paradox is 364 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:29.039 that we all have free will. So we come here, we incarnate, 365 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:34.200 and we kind of change that history as we live. So there's the history 366 00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:37.359 as it should have been, and then there's all of our individual choices that 367 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.119 keep changing that history. You know, there's a trajectory we're on in terms 368 00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:44.799 of what's going to happen to this planet, in terms of, you know, 369 00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:47.039 are we going to protect it or not? And all of the individual 370 00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:50.960 choices we were making, the billions are sold on this plan, all the 371 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:58.480 individual choices we're making are changing that trajectory every moment. So the ultimate where 372 00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:02.839 things were destined and it could be very different because of all of our individual 373 00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:07.160 choices, and each life where it was destined to and can become very different, 374 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.079 or what was destined to include can become very different because of all of 375 00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:15.160 our of our choices in that life. Talk about talk about manifesting, because 376 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:21.400 if that's the case, and we have this godlike quality. We're all part 377 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:28.160 of God. We manifest our reality right well, yes and no. We 378 00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:31.880 come to a physical reality that that the Divine just sets in motion and then 379 00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:36.599 sends us here and we sort of have to cope with it. God, 380 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:38.440 We have to cope with all the costs of fact. You know this idea 381 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:40.799 that you know God, you know, pray for rain, God will give 382 00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:45.640 you rein you know, pray for help God. God will secure your problems. 383 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:49.000 Uh, you know, pray for for a child and God will send 384 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:52.000 you That's just not true. According to Georgia, God doesn't operate in that 385 00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.200 way. God sends us here. God will guide us, God will give 386 00:33:55.279 --> 00:34:00.559 us support, God will send us love. But God doesn't fix things. 387 00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:05.799 We come here and have to figure this out ourselves. All all we come 388 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:09.840 here into this huge matrix of cause and effect. It's the whole world is 389 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:15.079 a massive a network of cause and effect experiences, and we were dropped into 390 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.119 the middle of it, and we have to work with it, work within 391 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:27.039 it, and so our our life and part of our mission here is to 392 00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:32.920 figure out how to bring love and live love in the midst of whatever condition 393 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:38.000 we're dropped into and just just one other thing I want to say about you 394 00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:40.480 know, the reason we come here. So we come here to learn. 395 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:45.719 And each of us have an overarching you know, lesson, which is learning 396 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:49.159 how to love in the face of pain, which we can't learn how to 397 00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:53.079 do in the spirit world because there's no pain. But then we have individuals 398 00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:57.320 lesson plans. So some of us are working on increasing courage in the face 399 00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:02.159 of obstacles and difficulties. Some of us are are working on how how to 400 00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:09.599 speak and persuade others to to move toward spiritual truth. Some of us are 401 00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:16.880 learning how to how to overcome certain you know, characteristics in our in our 402 00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:22.360 response patterns as souls. You know, So for example, we retreat whenever 403 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:28.039 we a soul might have a tendency to retreat whenever they experience something difficult or 404 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:31.159 some sort of hardship, and and we might come life after life working on 405 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:36.519 that one lesson how not to retreat, you know. Like in terms of 406 00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:39.559 my past lives, I have a whole history of when when I go through 407 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:44.639 when I go through a loss and go through pain, of just withdrawing from 408 00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:50.079 my from all the relationships, pulling back, and and I've done that in 409 00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:52.880 many lives, and I've so I've been working on that one lesson for a 410 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:57.400 number of lives, and I'm still working on it in this one. And 411 00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.079 so we often have lessons that go over multiple lives that it take us a 412 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:04.159 while to learn, and when we finally kind of get that one, we 413 00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:07.800 move on to another lesson. But then there's the overarching lesson of how to 414 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:09.760 love in the face of pain, which all of us are are learning. 415 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:17.880 Here We're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify 416 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:24.280 themselves, and we will return shortly with my guest today, doctor Matthew McKay, 417 00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:32.760 discussing his new book, Lessons from the Afterlife. We'll be right back. 418 00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:13.239 My guest today is doctor Matthew McKay. He has written a new book 419 00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:19.719 called Lessons from the Afterlife. It's co authored by his son Jason, who 420 00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:23.760 is in what he calls the heavens or the afterlife, and he has been 421 00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:30.039 channeling his son for a number of years now, and this book is one 422 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:37.159 of three channeled looks at afterlife. Talk briefly about karma, because karma is 423 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:44.440 a big deal in the Hindu religion and lifestyle. If we have past lives 424 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:50.199 where we were really harsh with other people, perhaps we were killing people randomly, 425 00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:55.639 or we're just not good people, and we come into a new life 426 00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:01.320 and we kind of want to amend our behavior. Would you call that a 427 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:09.039 karma lifetime or how would you describe karma? That? What I understand from 428 00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:15.039 Jordan or what it's worth, is that karma isn't like retribution or punishment for 429 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:21.960 our past mistakes, sins, what have you. So in a past life, 430 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:25.360 if we were cruel and mean to people, now we automatically have to 431 00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:30.039 go into a life in which we're punished for that, but for that by 432 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:34.760 by being victims of someone who's cruel and mean and so forth. However, 433 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.280 what he says, karmen is just the lessons. It's just a lesson plan. 434 00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:42.719 That's what I figured. Yeah, so the past, whatever we did 435 00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:51.199 in the past life often indicates that we're still learning something important we haven't we 436 00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.760 haven't gotten it yet, We're still we're still struggling to learn it, and 437 00:38:54.840 --> 00:39:00.400 so we will enter another the next life. We'll have opportun tunities and situations 438 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:05.119 in which we have to learn about that. For example, if if we're 439 00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.719 if we used cruelty as a way of controlling people and managing things in our 440 00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:16.239 life, Yes, we might enter a life in which we experience that cruelty 441 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:20.760 coming at us, but not as a punishment, but in order for us 442 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.599 to learn what it feels like to be on the other end of that kind 443 00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:29.119 of cruelty. So it's not a punishment, it's it's a lesson. Uh, 444 00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.559 and and and that and and and then we might have many, many 445 00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:37.239 experiences that are helping us learn that lesson. We might we might not be 446 00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:39.519 a victim of this kind of cruelty. We might be in a situation where 447 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:45.079 we witness it and see how other people suffer with that cruelty. Or maybe 448 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:47.239 we're in a situation where we can do something about cruelty and we learn how 449 00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:52.039 how to respond to it. So the lesson isn't always just It isn't about 450 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:58.400 punishment. It's about learning and and the karma is always about completing our lesson 451 00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:04.280 from one life to the next. That's fascinating Jesus. This new book, 452 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:09.719 Lessons from the Afterlife, has direct channeled UH material from Jordan and I like 453 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:14.079 what you did? You say? You'll ask a question. And then Jordan, 454 00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:19.679 on the left side of the page is answering these these questions. And 455 00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:25.039 this is the fundamental fundamentals of the book. What is the Jordan's goal in 456 00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:31.159 Lessons from the Afterlife? Is it just the continuation of the theme of what's 457 00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:37.639 happening in this part of the soul's life, because the soul lives in the 458 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:42.599 body and then is in the afterlife as an entity. I guess you call 459 00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:49.159 the soul an entity? Well, I mean he what he wanted to do 460 00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.320 in this book is three things. He wanted to first all, help us 461 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:57.840 understand from at least from his perspective, what is this? What is this 462 00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:00.280 physical universe anyway? What is it? Is it illusion? Is it a 463 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:07.960 dream? Why is it here? Why are we interacting with it and encountering 464 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.400 it? And the second question is why do we come into it? Why 465 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:16.639 do we come to this experience? What's what's the whole purpose of our incarnation? 466 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:20.599 Or whether you if you think of it as a dream, why are 467 00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:27.880 we having the dream? And and so the and the third thing is Jordan 468 00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.079 is offering some ideas that he has, but he gives people means to actually 469 00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:36.639 come to their own truth, their own experience, so they can read something 470 00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:38.199 about what he has to say about, you know, well, what what's 471 00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:42.039 the nature of the physical unitus? Where did it come from? With? 472 00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.119 Why is it here? He has to answer to that. But then they 473 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:49.599 can do what's called a deep knowledge meditation. The readers can do that, 474 00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:52.320 and there are prompts and they and they can, and then they can ask 475 00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:57.000 questions of their own higher self, of their own of their own soul and 476 00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:00.760 spirit, and they can find out their own answers to these questions. And 477 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:04.719 some of them may be the same, and some of them may diverge, 478 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:10.760 because every soul has different experiences. And so it's an opportunity for the reader 479 00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:19.039 to actually encounter their own deepest truth. And Jordan offers his ideas and offers 480 00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:22.920 prompts for them to consider and to do this deep knowledge of meditation as a 481 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:29.280 way of acquiring or reaching their own And you've simplified it so that it's not 482 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:34.880 really overly complex. You don't have to be in a meditative state for hours 483 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.840 and hours and hours, and you don't need to, you know, be 484 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:44.639 in some kind of a meditative school forever to be able to utilize the techniques. 485 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:52.360 One of the things that Jordan talks about is finding me meaning on earth. 486 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:55.719 And this is a big one for a lot of people who are in 487 00:42:55.760 --> 00:43:01.800 a state of flux, are like, what am I doing here? My 488 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:09.000 life doesn't seem to have any meaning? How do people find meaning? Yeah, 489 00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:15.800 that's really really important, and I, I guess I want to just 490 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:21.840 say something in the beginning. I think we we come here for a reason. 491 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.000 And you know, the way Jordan describes it is, you know, 492 00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:30.440 we're like bees in a hive. Each soul leaves the hive, incarnates, 493 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:37.119 goes out and finds, you know, wisdom and knowledge, and grows and 494 00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:40.679 evolves, and then comes back and brings all that wisdom and knowledge back to 495 00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:47.000 the high back back, And and that's what that's our purpose, that's the 496 00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:52.840 meaning that we have is to is to go out into the world and grow 497 00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:55.840 and evolve and face all kinds of things and learn all kinds of things, 498 00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:04.320 and and then bring that back. And not only is our own soul growing 499 00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.239 and developing and evolving, but now we bring all that knowledge back and all 500 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:13.920 of consciousness grows, it evolves, and so each of us is on a 501 00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:19.760 sacred mission here to learn and and all the pain we face is not that's 502 00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.159 not a problem. It's not it isn't a failure when we are in pain. 503 00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:30.239 Every time we're in pain, it's just an opportunity to learn and and 504 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:36.679 to grow and to evolve, and and each choice we make in the face 505 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:38.400 of pain is part of that learning. I'm let me give you this kind 506 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:44.280 of maybe not a very you know, you know, inspiring example, but 507 00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:46.079 but maybe it is. A mom comes home, she's had a bad dad 508 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:52.719 work, and she has the boss has been very critical. She's now worried 509 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:59.679 about keeping her job. She's very tired, anxious and tired, and her 510 00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:02.320 cure it has all these needs right now and needs help with the homework. 511 00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:07.480 And he had a bad day and somebody says something mean to them and they're 512 00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:13.039 very hurt. And see, that's a moment of choice. And all day 513 00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:15.400 long we have these moments of choice. And the moment of choice for her 514 00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:21.639 is what am I going to do in the face of this pain. I'm 515 00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:27.639 tired, I'm exhausted, I'm scared and anxious, and now yet and now 516 00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.559 my child needs something from me. So how do I love in the face 517 00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:35.360 of pain? How do I respond to the child in the face of my 518 00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:39.079 exhaustion, in the face of my anxiety. And we're having these moments of 519 00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:45.920 choice all the time. And our life is really made up of those moments 520 00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:50.039 of choice, the significant things, the choices that we make. And they're 521 00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:52.400 not the big choices like what do I do for a living or where am 522 00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:57.679 I going to live? There's a little choices all day long of when something 523 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:02.239 is hard and hurts, how can I act on love? And and so 524 00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:06.800 he says, that's what we're learning. And and and even when we don't 525 00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:08.840 act on love, we're learning. We can't help but learn, you know. 526 00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:14.360 So let's let's say, you know, dad, you know, slaps 527 00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:22.880 his son and and he and and and then he notices over time that, 528 00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:29.000 you know, that kind of that kind of behavior with his son seems to 529 00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:32.199 be alienating his son, and his son is withdrawing from him. And the 530 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:36.480 son grows up and and and and and calls him once a year on his 531 00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:38.199 birthday, and that's the end of the really, you know. And but 532 00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:42.760 the dad is learning this is the consequence of not acting on love. So 533 00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:46.159 even when you don't act on love, you're learning, uh, And and 534 00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:52.800 so I think that's that's what we're here doing, facing each of these moments 535 00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.840 of choice and learning how to act on love in the face of all the 536 00:46:55.880 --> 00:47:00.840 difficulty and pain of a physical planet. You make it it sound like every 537 00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:09.360 action in every trauma or interaction and everything else in relationship all has an important 538 00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:17.639 place in an incarnation. And I guess you're making it sound like a learning 539 00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:24.679 cycle. We're constantly learning and becoming more aware, and that's the purpose of 540 00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:30.119 being physical, right purpose, that's why we come here. According to Jordan, 541 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:36.880 Wow, that's pretty trippy. Does does Jordan talk about the Akashi feel 542 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.760 the Akashak records? That is such a big question right now. It's kind 543 00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:46.920 of a spiritual metaphysical question that people have is how do I access this Acashak 544 00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:53.639 records, this database of everything that's happened before, present and in the future. 545 00:47:55.639 --> 00:48:01.119 Yeah, so let's I could just talk about the Kashak record itself for 546 00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:05.920 a minute. I mean, this is this is the means by which the 547 00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:09.440 most learning occurs in the afterlife. You know, here we're learning how to 548 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:13.800 how to face pain and the obstacles and difficulties and how to love and face 549 00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.960 of all. In the afterlife, there is no pain and so a lot 550 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:21.639 of the learning takes place by the study of the kashk Record. That's the 551 00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:27.039 textbook of the afterlife. That's that's where we turn for most of our knowledge. 552 00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:29.840 So, for example, you can go to the Kashak Record and you 553 00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:32.199 can look at your most immediate past life and you can see all the choices 554 00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:36.239 you made. But then here's the very cool thing about the Akashi record. 555 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:38.840 You could actually see, well, what would happen if I had done X 556 00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:44.760 and said of hy, yeah, oh you can play it out. Yeah, 557 00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:46.280 what it would have happened if I had taken my son into my lap 558 00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:51.960 and hugged him instead of slapping him, and let me see? And then 559 00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:53.880 what the record does. It opens like the chapters of a book, and 560 00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:57.840 we can actually see it, and we can see the wholes, all the 561 00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:01.800 different ways that that choice would have played out with all of our relationships, 562 00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:07.039 and over time we can see it and then we certainly closed it and it's 563 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:09.079 it's just the potential. It doesn't it doesn't exist because we didn't know, 564 00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:14.400 and but we can actually see what it looks like to have done X instead 565 00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:16.239 of why, And we can do that in anybody's life. We can go 566 00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:20.320 back to the Kashak record and said, well, what would have happened if 567 00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:24.599 Abe Lincoln hadn't hadn't gone to the Ford Theater that night? What might what 568 00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:30.880 might have played out? Or or if he hadn't you know, had certain 569 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.320 kinds of you know, had had hadn't had Stanton for his secretary of war. 570 00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:39.440 And I'm I'm I'm probably too particular here, but what I'm what I'm 571 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:44.599 getting at is we can look at people, everybody, every soul has ever 572 00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:46.400 existed, and look at their lives and look at choices they made, and 573 00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:50.480 and the and we can open the Akajak records, Well what would have happened 574 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:54.000 if they've done X instead of why? And and so there's just an infinite 575 00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:59.760 amount of learning that goes on about cause and effect. Oh my god, 576 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:06.719 and so the and souls just just spend a lot of time with this study. 577 00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:13.079 And it's sort of if then what if? If if that happened instead 578 00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:15.960 of this, what would have come? What would have transpired? It's just 579 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:19.639 fascinating. So the Caustic records is a huge deal and after it, but 580 00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:22.840 the other thing you asked about, do we have can we have access to 581 00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:24.679 it? Here? Well, people are starting to learn how to have more 582 00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:30.000 access to it. Yeah, and Michael Newton, who here you know, 583 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:37.480 the life between life hypnosis, Who's now gone, but the Newton Society, 584 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:44.639 some of the people there are using a similar kind of hypnotic process to to 585 00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:46.519 access our future on this earth, you know, So we can we can 586 00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:52.360 actually look into our future, and we we can we can communicate to art 587 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:58.360 to ourself in the future. And also in doing that, we can we 588 00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.239 can learn what would have happened if we done X versus Y in this life. 589 00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:05.639 By peering into the future. Basically, we were looking at the Acacak 590 00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:09.679 record for our particular life, and so they developed a hypnotic process for doing 591 00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:15.599 that. Fascinating, fascinating work. So yes, if to the extent that 592 00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:20.480 we are able to access the Acacak record or learn how to do it, 593 00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:24.000 there's enormous learning there. Because it's the learning that is mostly taking place in 594 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:29.159 the afterlife. We can start doing that here. But I understand that people 595 00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:38.960 like Nikolai Tesla was using the Akasak field to download machines and in some cases 596 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:44.320 and this is me thinking but not anyone else, some of his inventions like 597 00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:49.480 the warning Cliffe tower, this free energy tower was not supposed to be brought 598 00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:53.039 through because it was so far in advanced. We're talking about free energy, 599 00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:59.519 so you could run planes and cars and stuff without plugging in or without gasoline. 600 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:07.519 That it wasn't ready, and so it wasn't accepted by the various people 601 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:10.480 that were funding him, who eventually pulled their money away and the whole thing 602 00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:19.880 failed. So, uh, is there should we be using the Akashak records 603 00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:27.559 as physical beings or as as you're suggesting it's an afterlife tool. You know, 604 00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:31.599 I don't know the answer to that as a fascinating question, and I 605 00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:38.480 you know, I think it's possible to access the Takashak record from the physical 606 00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:46.079 plane here, from from our human brains and bodies. There are probably methods 607 00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:51.079 to do it, and it's from what you're saying, it's very possible that 608 00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:55.119 Tesla was able to. But see again, when you you access the record, 609 00:52:55.719 --> 00:53:00.559 you're not just accessing this moment in time. You can access to the 610 00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:07.199 Akashak record as it's as it as it will happen. So it's possible that 611 00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:12.320 you could have access to scientific discoveries that are yet to be et thevolved but 612 00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.000 here's the funny thing about science. As you know, you know, the 613 00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:20.119 telephone was invented in three or four different places at the same time, and 614 00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:22.800 and and and many many inventions, you know, you know, there were 615 00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:30.239 multiple inventors that were all coming to the same uh creation. Yeah. And 616 00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:34.360 the reason for that is because all the steps that occurred before necessary for them 617 00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:37.239 to take that last leap, so that multiple people were taking the leap at 618 00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:43.440 the same time. If you go and bring something that's far in the future 619 00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:47.800 that that we haven't done all the steps to get ready for it, you're 620 00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:52.159 not going to get many people to endorse it because all all of that preliminary 621 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:58.920 work has not been done. Right. So, I don't know. I 622 00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:05.039 I think the kashak Rec has great potential for us. Whether it's whether we're 623 00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:08.519 going to download science from the future, I don't know. But what we 624 00:54:08.639 --> 00:54:17.119 can do is we can learn about how choices create different outcomes in our life. 625 00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:23.800 I think what I'm trying to ask Matt is I'm very much focused on 626 00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:30.400 previous epochs. I believe in the Yugas, the ancient Yugas system twenty seven 627 00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:36.239 thousand year cycles, and there was a period in human history where we were 628 00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:42.480 able to communicate telepathically that we manifested with thoughts, so forth and so on, 629 00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:49.400 is what they Hindu say. And I'm wondering if using the akashik and 630 00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:55.280 other afterlife systems is part of what we should be using in the physical life 631 00:54:55.320 --> 00:55:00.440 to make it it's the best or the most harmonious. Yes, I'm just 632 00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:05.000 curious about your take on it. And that's why I'm curious about the afterlife, 633 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:10.679 because if we're supposed to naturally channel our relatives, are our teachers, 634 00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:15.719 our mentors who have passed on, then it would make sense that they would 635 00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:20.920 be part of that a kashak record, and to be able to use that 636 00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:23.960 library and then pass it through to the physical I don't know, I could 637 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:29.760 be stepping on a lot there. I love, I love what you're saying. 638 00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:34.079 I think in part that's what Jordan is trying to do. I mean, 639 00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:40.840 and what and what other souls who channel are trying to do is bring 640 00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:49.159 that wisdom and perhaps the knowledge of the future into into life here on earth. 641 00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:55.559 But certainly to bring the wisdom, the accumulated acquired wisdom of souls and 642 00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:01.960 of guides, to to bring it here, that to accelerate our growth and 643 00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:06.000 development. I mean, one of the things I've heard of the time is 644 00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:10.360 that there are a lot of souls that are the term is parachuting in advanced 645 00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:15.800 souls at this point, trying to try to shape and turn human destiny because 646 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:22.559 we've been stuck in tribalism for a long time, and tribalism is what's destroying 647 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.679 is actually and we can see it, we can see it happening right now 648 00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:31.400 today. And tribalism is built on the idea that there's good and bad, 649 00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:36.320 good and evil, and we're good, our tribe is good. That drive 650 00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:38.039 over there is bad, and we can do anything to them. We can 651 00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:42.199 kill them, we can rape them, we can we can enslave them, 652 00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:45.480 we can we can do whatever, because they're they're bad, they're not human, 653 00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:51.159 they're and so the tribalism at its root destroys connection. I mean, 654 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:55.719 it enhances connection inside the tribe, but destroys connection. And so we're moving 655 00:56:55.760 --> 00:57:00.920 from tribalism to oneness to one awareness of one is and it's a big rough 656 00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:06.360 shift in means. And Jordan is saying that, and others have told me 657 00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:08.199 that there are a lot of people coming in right now a lot of souls 658 00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:14.599 coming in right now to intensify that shift. But here's the problem. In 659 00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:20.039 intensifying it, you also intensify the reactionary processes as well, and so you 660 00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:29.159 have more reactionary and fundamentalist ideas and people clinging desperately to them and separating themselves 661 00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:32.599 and judging each other and so forth. So it's a big struggle. We're 662 00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:38.239 right in the middle of it. And you know, I'm not allowed if 663 00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:45.719 at least Jordan doesn't think that souls in spirit should tell so tell us here 664 00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:51.519 incarnating about the future, because it takes away our free will. So you 665 00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:57.159 know, I stay away from those questions. And I don't hear many people 666 00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:02.199 getting information about the future from souls, and for the reason that we're here 667 00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:06.360 to learn, and you don't learn much if you're just told what's going to 668 00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:15.159 happen. But again, is that just our history right now? And in 669 00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:21.800 earlier epochs, earlier civilizations, this is how they evolved, is bringing through 670 00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:28.800 information from departed souls. You know, I just it's such an interesting topic. 671 00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:32.400 How do we evolve? Do we evolve just by hit and miss, 672 00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:37.960 or do we evolve through advanced techniques which you're submitting, which you are channeled 673 00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:46.880 bits of data from the souls who are formally incarnated but now reside in an 674 00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:54.920 energy field that has unlimited data. You know, Well, that's a good 675 00:58:55.000 --> 00:59:00.039 question. I mean, what you're saying, and it may it could totally 676 00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:04.679 be right, is that there have been periods in our history when we were 677 00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:07.480 much more evolved than we are now. We were much more aware of oneness 678 00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:16.760 than we are now. And I but I do think I just throw this 679 00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:22.039 out. I think those periods where we were aware of oneness, we were 680 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:24.559 still in a tribal mentality. It's like, yes, we're one because we're 681 00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:30.360 one tribe. Our tribe has our God, and our God takes care of 682 00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:34.480 us and our god you know, you know rex Havoc on the rest of 683 00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:38.880 the tribes. So there was there was a lot of channeling. There was 684 00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:45.519 a lot of of deep knowledge. I think that has been available. So 685 00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:50.760 there were there were ways in which we were more involved, but we were 686 00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:52.960 still tribal. We still still didn't have the big picture, I think, 687 00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:58.280 and and I think that's where we're struggling now because we live in a world 688 00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:00.960 in which we have you know, we can we can go to the other 689 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:04.159 side of the world in less than a day. Yeah, and you know, 690 01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:07.800 so transportation to communicate all of this stuff has has started to make it 691 01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:13.159 one world. Except we're still have a tribal mentality in one world. And 692 01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:17.039 and that's but now the one world that with technology makes it possible for us 693 01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:22.679 to begin to experience oneness, maybe for the first time. So there's no 694 01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:30.760 way, you know, somebody in uh in Middle Ages Rome could have could 695 01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:35.599 have even begun to imagine, you know, the culture and and the way 696 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:39.559 of seeing things of Native Americans, and it blew their minds when they actually 697 01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:45.840 came here and started getting this whole different worldview. But but oneness means that 698 01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:50.960 we all understand together and and that's where we're moving toward. I think, 699 01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:58.920 Yeah, I like your your scenario of world citizens where we all are working 700 01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:04.559 together because we're so disjointed. We're looking at the Chinese as adversaries. And 701 01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:08.440 I I'm so impressed with China right now because they've rebuilt their whole country, 702 01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:16.679 their railway and their other utilities are just amazingly advanced. And yet we're stand 703 01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:22.039 offish with them, you know, and other different other cultures on the Earth. 704 01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:27.719 We're not. We're as you say, we're tribes. Well, it's 705 01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:30.760 zero some game, and it's you know, tribes look at things the way 706 01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:35.239 Donald Trump looks at things. It's zero sum. It's like it's if it's 707 01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:38.199 good for if it's if it's good for if it's good for you, it's 708 01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:42.440 probably bad for me. So I don't want anything good to happen to you. 709 01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:45.199 I want all the good stuff for myself. Yeah, And that kind 710 01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:49.719 of that's the tribal mentality, is like I want what, I want everything, 711 01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:53.199 and and I'm not going to give you anything. And and that's kind 712 01:01:53.199 --> 01:01:58.960 of what you're describing in some ways in our relationship to some of these other 713 01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:01.320 countries. You can talk about this forever. I want to talk about one 714 01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:05.719 of the chapters in the in your book. It's chapter three, The Nature 715 01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:10.519 of the Soul, talk about what souls learn last forever. What does that 716 01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:17.519 mean? It means that everything that we learn in this life, when we 717 01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:23.840 die, it becomes available, of course to the part of our soul that 718 01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:30.519 always remains in spirit and our so our soul evolves and grows with everything we 719 01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:36.119 learned here and every past life gave us something that we learned some way that 720 01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:40.000 we grew, and so every life helps us evolve and we keep that forever, 721 01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:45.880 meaning souls, soul lasts forever, soul live forever, the divine lives 722 01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:52.559 forever, and everything we learn lives forever because it becomes part of the whole, 723 01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:58.079 the collective consciousness, the divine, the all, the source, whatever 724 01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:02.840 you want to call it. Everything we learn this rep Okay, that's a 725 01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:08.320 good one. Uh fascinating book. I can't read wait to read more about 726 01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:17.559 it. Does Jordans say that there isn't uh ten thousand lifetimes? We are 727 01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:23.320 living all of the same time. And this is what I've come to hear 728 01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:30.199 the latest last decade or so, is that we are living multiple incarnations at 729 01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:36.199 the same time, and that we jump as a soul into these different carnations 730 01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:43.000 incarnations, which is just like mind boggling, you know, But uh, 731 01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:50.599 is there an is there infinity lifetimes? Or are there certain numbers? Like 732 01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:55.559 I'm gonna you know, this soul needs one hundred lifetimes to be complete. 733 01:03:57.119 --> 01:04:05.239 And I don't even want to get into the completing of of a soul's existence 734 01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:10.280 because it gets into too much complexity. But I don't know how many lifetimes 735 01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:14.519 souls typically have, and I know it can be in the hundreds. At 736 01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:18.360 some point a soul decides when they've done enough and they will stay in the 737 01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:24.159 spirit world and develop spiritual careers. Right, spiritual careers in the spirit world, 738 01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:28.639 including guides, healers, creators, all kinds of scientists, all kinds 739 01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:30.840 of stuff going on in the spirit world. So, you know, I 740 01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:35.480 think that you know, but we do have a choice about how long and 741 01:04:35.559 --> 01:04:43.039 how many times we incarnate, and at some point soul say this is enough. 742 01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:48.280 There was another point you were making and I I kind of I kind 743 01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:54.079 of overlapped it. It's more it's more like, uh, you know, 744 01:04:54.599 --> 01:05:00.800 we learn, we incarnate and then we're done. But what does that mean 745 01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:05.239 we just stay in the spirit world and we go to other galaxies. I 746 01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:10.239 mean, it's a real complex question. It can't be answered with a single 747 01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:16.960 answer. I mean, it's we have, we've we were developing spiritual careers 748 01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:25.079 that that we are, we strengthen over time. Uh, and ultimately we 749 01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:29.920 may choose not to incarnate anymore and we focus exclusively on that spiritual career. 750 01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:32.159 And there are there are many from what I understand, I mean, there 751 01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:39.360 are there are even spiritual careers that have to do with making music and uh 752 01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:45.280 and creating objects and and there are souls that gather together and use their soul 753 01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:50.840 energy to create new new physical forms uh and uh and even to create and 754 01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:56.559 imagine new life forms. And so there's a lot of So just because we 755 01:05:56.599 --> 01:06:00.960 stop incarnating doesn't mean we stop growing and stop having you know, an important 756 01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:08.079 role and in in this in the world of spirit fascinating. Do you have 757 01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:16.280 any take on the huge wave of what they call unidentified aerial phenomenon and who 758 01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:24.599 these souls are that are in these craft and if and when we ever plan 759 01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:33.079 to connect with the souls who live in neighboring planets and all that. Yeah. 760 01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:39.760 I my understanding from Jordan for what it's worth, and also from Michael 761 01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:45.960 Newton's work, is that you know there are there are countless planets on which 762 01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:48.000 souls incarnate. This is not the only one. This is a difficult planet. 763 01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:53.039 It's actually sort of known in the in the ob spirit world as a 764 01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:58.480 very difficult place to incarnate, and so it's an acquired taste coming here. 765 01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:02.760 But there are many, many, many. I don't even have the faintest 766 01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:06.960 idea of the number of plants, but it's huge, and so there are 767 01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:13.320 there are many souls, many many more souls than there are people on Earth, 768 01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:19.840 and so they incarnate all these different places. And of course some of 769 01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:26.760 those places that they incarnate are going to develop technologically to the point where they 770 01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:32.960 can start traveling beyond the speed of light and use warps in the universe to 771 01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:40.320 move from place to place. And I think that's almost inevitable that that has 772 01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:46.760 to happen. And it's probable that some of these people have come here and 773 01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:53.840 observed, But there may also be a reluctance to engage with us, because 774 01:07:54.480 --> 01:08:00.800 if they engage with us, it completely disrupts our evolution as a particular group 775 01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:10.599 of souls on this planet. And so it may be that they are essentially 776 01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:20.199 tourists who observe and learn or have an anthropological interest in other species, and 777 01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:28.439 they develop on other planets without necessarily wanting to get involved and without colonizing us. 778 01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:32.560 Now it's possible also that some advanced civilization may decide to colonize it, 779 01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:39.479 but but at this moment it hasn't happened. So the main point here is 780 01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:45.560 that souls incarnate all over the universe and the universe is not just I mean, 781 01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:51.840 think about it. Why would do the vine create this massive universe just 782 01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:58.520 for some little species to evolve here on some planet in the outskirts of the 783 01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:03.920 exactly sents it all. So there are souls and there's consciousness scattered all over 784 01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:10.239 the universe, and I'm sure that we have encountered it and we will encounter 785 01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:15.039 it. And whether they will choose to really engage with us, there's another 786 01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:18.079 question. I don't know. I hope they do. I think it would 787 01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:24.920 help us on an evolutionary scale and maybe quiet this as you call it, 788 01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:30.680 tribalism and kind of unify the planet a little bit. The books called Lessons 789 01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:36.920 from the Afterlife. My guest today has been Matthew McKay, What is the 790 01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:41.600 purpose of you and Jordan teaming up on this third book? What was If 791 01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:45.880 you could put it into a couple of paragraphs, what are you hoping the 792 01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:50.039 reader gets out of the book. I want the reader to know that love 793 01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:57.119 never dies, our relationships never die, they continue, and that we come 794 01:09:57.159 --> 01:10:00.399 here for a purpose, and that purpose is to learn. And even this 795 01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:04.800 is a difficult, challenging, painful place. Everything we encounter is an opportunity 796 01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:09.840 to learn and grow and evolve its souls, and that everything we take, 797 01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:15.399 all of the learning is taken and given to all to the divine and that's 798 01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:19.319 our sacred mission here. So those are kind of the main thing that the 799 01:10:19.399 --> 01:10:25.159 God or that I created the physical universe in which they which we grow, 800 01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:30.680 but also God grows. I think the other thing, on my point of 801 01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:38.039 view would be that consider the channel perspective to have a more fulfilling physical life. 802 01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:43.000 Because you can get this other perspective that you have from your son Jordan. 803 01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:46.520 I mean, what a great perspective you're getting. And he gives me 804 01:10:46.600 --> 01:10:51.199 lots of other advices. Well, I appreciate it. And you and your 805 01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:57.960 your listeners can can channel and get guidance, support from loved ones, from 806 01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:01.800 guides, from the mind, or even from their soul and spirit. They 807 01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:06.239 can get guidance and uh and it's and it's it's there for them, it's 808 01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:10.720 there for us, and it's a resource that we can we can use and 809 01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:15.720 call upon with simple techniques like channeling and uh deep knowledge meditation. Yeah, 810 01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:19.279 thank you for showing us how to channel. How can people get a hold 811 01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:23.039 of you? I don't see your website on the back of this book, 812 01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:27.600 what is your How do people connect beyond just the books? You know? 813 01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:31.079 It's the website is seeking Jordan dot com. Seeking Jordan dot Com. Okay, 814 01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:36.600 and I'm happy to talk to folks. Are you taking on clients anymore? 815 01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:40.880 Or I take on clients but I don't. I'm not. I'm full 816 01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:45.199 right now and I really am. And also I'm not licensed to see anybody 817 01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:49.520 outside of California, so I'm not seeking you know, I'm not seeking clients. 818 01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:56.640 I'm I'm just hoping that this knowledge can spread and and help folks. 819 01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:00.640 Yeah, it's it's a it's a quick read, and it's packed with information. 820 01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:06.239 And I love that you've given Jordan a voice by actually writing down his 821 01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:13.520 questions to your answer or yeah, questions to your answers. Yeah, no, 822 01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:16.800 answers to your questions. There you go. All right, Hey, 823 01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:23.399 matt continued success and thanks for joining me today. Thanks so much, Cliff, 824 01:12:23.399 --> 01:12:32.680 and wonderful conversation. Right now, Matthew is the only one who is 825 01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:41.840 doing regular channeling books with his son Jason, and there is there's other people. 826 01:12:42.159 --> 01:12:45.159 I think it's noadic science in northern California, in the Marine County area, 827 01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:53.039 the Institute that is studying channel effects, and there's also independence that are 828 01:12:53.880 --> 01:13:01.279 working to bring through new data, new devices and trying to see what the 829 01:13:01.319 --> 01:13:05.560 other side can provide. But I, you know, I don't follow it 830 01:13:05.720 --> 01:13:11.680 well enough. I don't find follow it to the degree where I'm hearing that 831 01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:16.319 people are actually accessing the Akashak records. That's the big question, and I 832 01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:21.399 continue to have the question is how do you access it? What is the 833 01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:28.039 means of knowing that you're in the Akashak field, the Akashak records, and 834 01:13:28.479 --> 01:13:35.479 is it simply intending to receive data and it's coming through. I think that 835 01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:41.800 our ancestors did this regularly. I know the Maya that some of the Shamans 836 01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:48.800 were trained to access the what they call the underworld, which is another word 837 01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:55.359 for heaven or the afterlife. But we don't know a great deal about it. 838 01:13:56.439 --> 01:14:00.600 And I think and I understand why matt Matthew McKay is writing books like 839 01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:05.359 this because he is getting downloads from his son. What's on the other side? 840 01:14:05.399 --> 01:14:12.039 What's the afterlife all about? What do we bring forward to the physical 841 01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:17.239 And it's you know, we're out of touch. Those of us in the 842 01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:21.920 West are out of touch. I think it has to do with physical religion 843 01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:27.279 too, because we're not supposed to know the secrets of the afterlife. If 844 01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:31.520 you're so, I don't know. I don't know how this is going to 845 01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:36.560 work out, but I think we're getting closer to using the afterlife data more 846 01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:41.760 fully, and so it's good to hear from him and good to learn. 847 01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:45.199 This book is only about one hundred and twenty pages, by the way, 848 01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:51.680 and it's written in such a way where Mass writing a question that his son 849 01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:56.840 Jason is answering, and you get that at the very beginning of each chapter, 850 01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:01.399 and then you get a description and a definition of what is going on. 851 01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:06.520 So it's very good. It's good material. Hey, I want to 852 01:15:06.520 --> 01:15:11.960 mention we do tours every year. We do tours all over the planet. 853 01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:15.199 We got two coming up. We have one in August, which is the 854 01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:19.880 Turkey Tour. 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I want to thank my guest 879 01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:45.439 today, doctor Matthew McKay, and thank you also Jason on the other side. 880 01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:50.039 Appreciate your insight as always, the team of Gail Tour, Mark Foster 881 01:17:51.079 --> 01:17:57.479 and everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys rock all right, take 882 01:17:57.479 --> 01:18:34.760 care of me well and we will talk to you next time. The