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Well 24 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,879 off a weekend that has seen Geron and its deliver in Atlantic City, that 25 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:13,000 is seeing Floyd Scofield look as we thought he would headlining in the Golden Boy 26 00:02:13,759 --> 00:02:16,960 Zone show in San Antonio. We're ready to recap those fights here from a 27 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:23,719 former World banomweight champion who is going to attempt to regain his WBC title. 28 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:27,960 You'll hear from No Nito don Air coming up one on one with Dan Raypheel. 29 00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:30,719 I am merely the somewhat capable host TJ. Reeves of the Fight Freaks 30 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:36,039 Unite recap podcast. He is our insider. The Fight Freaks Unite substack is 31 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,879 where he does damage on a regular basis, and you need to be subscribing 32 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,199 to his substack. Also find him on Bigfight Weekend dot com our coverage the 33 00:02:44,199 --> 00:02:49,639 podcast more. Hello Dan raypheel Off, what's going on? We're all good? 34 00:02:49,879 --> 00:02:52,319 Ready to the recap mode. Ready to hear from No Nito don Air 35 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,840 in a little bit um. A reminder to everybody, keep reading us and 36 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,919 reviewing us. Several of you have done that. Keep doing that. We're 37 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,159 bribing you. At the end of this month, we're gonna get you. 38 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:06,520 We have not decided yet, either in Errol Spans, Terrence Crawford fight Poster 39 00:03:06,759 --> 00:03:12,199 or perhaps fight Quogram, or maybe we'll give one of each away to someone 40 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,840 that is rated and reviewed us. And again I make the stipulation because we've 41 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:20,080 gotten several reviews. 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Again, we recap off 51 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:57,319 the weekend Sunday night usually into Monday preview going into the weekend, and there 52 00:03:57,319 --> 00:04:00,280 we go. With all of that out of the way, let's be again 53 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:04,639 with the review process and begin with what Jeron Ennis did. An impressive performance. 54 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:10,960 It wasn't an early KO, but it was a KO nonetheless of Roman 55 00:04:11,159 --> 00:04:15,759 Villa in the showtime PBC main event in Atlantic City. All right, Dan, 56 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,399 so right away your thoughts on how Boots Ennis looked in this showcase fight, 57 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,399 as he's one of the top well to wait contendas. Well, since 58 00:04:24,439 --> 00:04:27,759 it did go, it was not a short knockout, might be the time 59 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,360 for you to tell everybody how we did on the bet US show over the 60 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,680 weekend. Yes, mister Rayfields, wanting to teut the fact were you want 61 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,399 to Oh were you two? And oh? Three? And oh, sir, 62 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,720 I believe you were four and o on the show, including Ennis and 63 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:46,399 the over. I was ambitious with the under and so let's tie that in. 64 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,079 Was Via just that tough to solve? I know. Ennis even said 65 00:04:50,439 --> 00:04:54,399 in an interesting moment after the fight, I wasn't listening to my corner, 66 00:04:54,399 --> 00:04:56,639 maybe as much as I should have been. I was having trouble with the 67 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,399 angles. So what are we credit Via hanging in there for long as he 68 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:03,879 did. It wasn't anything of the sort. It was that Jeron Ennis is 69 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,120 a brilliant young fighter, but his opponent had a huge heart and a great 70 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,480 chin and is a durable fighter. And I had never, in the moments 71 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,920 in my at any moment in my entire thought process about this fight when it 72 00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:19,519 was made, when it was happening, during the fight at all, that 73 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,360 this fight would not go rounds and it would go deep into the fight, 74 00:05:23,399 --> 00:05:27,399 and that Ennis would do exactly what he did, maybe not as brilliantly as 75 00:05:27,439 --> 00:05:30,319 he did it, but in the end he would break him down and stop 76 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:34,560 him. And that is exactly what happened. He laid an absolute beating on 77 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:40,879 him. And in the I remember a line from the great HBO legendary document 78 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:46,000 documentary series Legendary Nights, that back in the day had twelve weeks of profiles 79 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,199 of some of the biggest and best HBO fights, and one of them that 80 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,920 they that they did at the very end. It was the last episode of 81 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,519 the series, which was the most recent one that they had done, which 82 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,639 was Lennox Lewis versus Mike Tyson, and Tommy Brooks, who was a Mike 83 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,839 Tyson and trainer, had the great line that he had given him such a 84 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,959 beating that Grandma's lysol couldn't wipe it off. And that's the kind of that 85 00:06:08,199 --> 00:06:11,600 kind of beating, that's the kind of beating that John Ennis gave to remind 86 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,199 Via, who has all my respect for his durability and his great chin. 87 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,120 You don't even know what you said when you just said that, because I'm 88 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,319 now going to get myself in trouble, but I'm gonna reveal something we will 89 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,399 go over on occasion. God, I hope she doesn't find out about this. 90 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,920 And when we pull in, my wife goes, oh, my mother's 91 00:06:28,959 --> 00:06:32,120 been cleaning again with the lysol. The Pine Saul with something. So that 92 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:36,839 is a tremendous metaphor. The beating that Ennis gave Via, not even Grandma's 93 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:42,959 Lysol could get rid of it exactly. So John Ennis is as you know, 94 00:06:43,079 --> 00:06:46,360 he we've known how good he is, at least from what we've seen. 95 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,720 The only negative about about Ennis, and it's not his fault, is 96 00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:54,199 that he has yet to have the opportunity to fight the truly biggest names and 97 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,040 best fighters in the weight class. Not that he's looking to avoid them by 98 00:06:57,079 --> 00:07:01,680 any means, but it hasn't been the case for different reasons. So he's 99 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,000 got, you know, some okay names on the record. Sergey Lippinetts who 100 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,160 we obliterated in a great knockout, Tomas the Laura May, a very tough 101 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:12,120 guy that's been around. We got rid of in the first round. You 102 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,160 know, Castillo Clayton, who was an Olympian that was thought, you know 103 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,160 it was undefeated when they fought each other up. Maybe he could go some 104 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:19,199 rounds, give him some competition. Got him out of there in like two 105 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:23,800 rounds. Then he had obviously the fight in January against Chakazi and that no 106 00:07:23,839 --> 00:07:26,680 one ever really had heard of, who spent twelve rounds running around the ring 107 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,959 and trying to avoid him, went the distance for the first time, or 108 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,040 rather twelve rounds anyway for the first time, and uh, you know, 109 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,360 Bot Boots won every single round and won the vacant interim belt. And so 110 00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:39,879 it's like, okay, now we stepping up against Va who was a good 111 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,920 fighter, who had one on that same undercard, and I think most people 112 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,879 thought going in, you know, yeah, I don't think people thought he 113 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:47,959 was gonna win the fight, but thought, you know, he would compete, 114 00:07:48,199 --> 00:07:51,319 he'd maybe pushed Boots a little bit. He never did that for it 115 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:55,439 all at all. I mean, Boots Ennis, anything that you saw was 116 00:07:55,519 --> 00:07:58,800 just him. I maybe getting a little lack of days ago and standing in 117 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,920 front of him like from a couple of seconds here and there. But you 118 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:03,160 know, here, here's all you got to know about what Boots and his 119 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:07,399 springs to the table. I think we all have ample respect for the great 120 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:11,399 Al Bernstein, the Hall of Fame broadcaster, been doing boxing commentary for forty 121 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:15,560 two years since the early eighties when he started on ESPN. He's now been 122 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,759 at Showtime as they're one of their ringside analysts now for about twenty something, 123 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,199 you're twenty plus years or twenty years or so. And Al is a very 124 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,839 knowledgeable guy. I don't anybody in the boxing business doesn't respect what he's done. 125 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:31,279 And he made a statement last night that even gave me pause when he 126 00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:35,320 said something to the effect of boots and is the most offensively diverse fighter I've 127 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:41,200 ever seen in my four years of broadcasting. When says the word, when 128 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:48,039 that man says the word, that means a ton and he remember that's called 129 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,799 the big you know, he's called tons of h I mean, first of 130 00:08:50,799 --> 00:08:52,960 all, he's watched all the big fights, and he's commentated on you know, 131 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,919 you know, many of those major fights. You know back in the 132 00:08:56,919 --> 00:09:01,360 Haggler. Hearns days and all those early ESPN fights and huge amounts of showtime 133 00:09:01,399 --> 00:09:03,200 fights. I mean, he knows what he's talking about. Forward to Oscar 134 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,320 Dale Joya moved forward to Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pachi, ol Canelo Lvarez. 135 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,679 He's saying ever on more. I didn't hear that comment, but that's quite 136 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,039 a statement time. Just the diverse offense. He can throw with both hands. 137 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,039 He's got good foot speed, he's got good hand speed, he's got 138 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,279 good defense. He's got ring smarts. He seems like he takes a pretty 139 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,679 good shot. You know, he's in great condition, wasn't really breathing heavy 140 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,679 after the fight. So look, he did what are supposed to do. 141 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,440 I mean, I don't want to make this out like he's a Hall of 142 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,799 Famer yet, because again we're talking about remain Via, who's not exactly a 143 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,639 household name and a guy that came in with a ton of titles and a 144 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:39,879 lot of accomplishment. But anybody that watched him fight knows he's a very sound 145 00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:45,159 fighter, a solid opponent, a durable guy. And Bochas beat him up. 146 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,679 He beat him up. I felt like the fight should have been stopped 147 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,639 earlier. There was one round I want to say it was round seven where 148 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,759 I believe I tweeted something to the effect of this was a borderline ten eight 149 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:56,799 round without even there being a knockdown. He just laid it on him. 150 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:01,000 The shots were clean. Um they you know that the doctor had gone to 151 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:05,120 the corner after eight to check in on him. The referee went to the 152 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,440 corner after nine and said, if you don't show me something, I'm gonna 153 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,399 stop it. And then in the tenth round, uh, None of that 154 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:13,279 happened because the corner didn't stop at, the doctor didn't stop at, the 155 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:16,519 ref didn stop it. But it was he finally stopped. It was only 156 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,799 when Boots laid you know, a nice two punch combination that like leveled him, 157 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,879 put him on the canvas right up against the ropes that David Field, 158 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:26,039 the referee had seen enough and didn't bothered account and waved it off. And 159 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,759 it was a great win. And now the only question it's not a matter 160 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:31,039 of Boots and s you know, we know what he can do against that 161 00:10:31,159 --> 00:10:33,519 level opponent. It's Wenzy gonna get a chance to fight the real deal. 162 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,879 We all know that the walter weight division is is is on hold because we're 163 00:10:37,879 --> 00:10:41,240 all waiting for the megafight which is in a few weeks between Crawford and Spence 164 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:45,799 for the undisputed championship. But those guys, they're gonna take care of their 165 00:10:45,799 --> 00:10:46,960 business. And when it's all said and done, you know, as I 166 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,480 wrote, uh, they're they're going for supremacy in the way class. They're 167 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,559 going for a pound for pound. But there's a man named Jared Boots and 168 00:10:54,639 --> 00:10:58,600 his lurk from behind them, and he's not you know he's he's, uh, 169 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,240 he's gonna be a problem any welterre it. I don't care if it's 170 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,960 the winner of that fight or it's anybody else you want to name in the 171 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,320 weight class. So you know, Boots, I don't I don't think he's 172 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,360 frustrated at the moment. I know he's he understands the way the business works, 173 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,039 and he's he's biding his time. He's twenty six, not a lot 174 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,080 of mileage on him. You know, he gets it. He's got a 175 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:16,120 chance to make a lot of money and create a lot of legacy, and 176 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,440 win a lot of titles and do a lot of stuff. But it's you 177 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,360 know, he's gonna have to wait a little bit longer. But he's right 178 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,360 on the precipice of doing great things. And he's talking about if he can't 179 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,360 get the winner of the Crawford Spence fight, because as everybody knows, they 180 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,879 have a rematch clause in their contract and there's a very good likelihood that whoever 181 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:33,720 loses is going to ask for the second fight. But he was like, 182 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:39,080 I'll fight Stanionis, which would be a very good interesting matchup his dance partner, 183 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,840 and and uh, in the Virgil Artist, who we should be talking 184 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:43,799 about that fight today, but we're not. But he's willing to take on 185 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,919 Keith Thurman, willing to take on or Denis Ugas, and he was naming 186 00:11:46,919 --> 00:11:50,840 all these guys. Now, I think if you know, Ugas and Thurman 187 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:54,639 have been tied together, there's a strong likelihood that they're going to fight each 188 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,399 other. But if he could get the winner of that fight, that would 189 00:11:56,399 --> 00:12:01,360 be meaningful. So but he's he's in a good spot from this standpoint. 190 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:03,159 He brought in a nice crowd at the boardwalk call upstairs. They sold the 191 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:05,360 place out a little over three thousand, I guess from what they tell me. 192 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,919 So he's got he's got, you know, a growing drawing power. 193 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,600 He is a very telligent and kind of fighter. He makes good, you 194 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,240 know, fun fights even you know when you see a fight dat one sided 195 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,480 where he wins every single round of the fight, but it's still entertaining to 196 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,159 watch. I mean, that's a good thing. He didn't run, he 197 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,399 didn't try to you know, stink him out or anything like that. They 198 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:24,559 were both there to fight. And you know, it's like boot Stend In 199 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,360 the interview I had with him that we played on last week's podcast, he 200 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,000 felt like the Via style was made to order. He was gonna be in 201 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,720 front him, throwing big books and not moving his head, and and he 202 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,759 was gonna be able to take him apart. And that's exactly what he did. 203 00:12:35,799 --> 00:12:39,279 And it was entertaining to watch. And he's gonna just have to buy 204 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,960 his time a little bit more. But he's with Showtime. He's got a 205 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,559 contract with the network, so they've supported him for a while. They're gonna 206 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,799 bomb sure put him back on after that performance. Why wouldn't you want to 207 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:52,759 keep going and get him a little more active. And he said he wants 208 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:54,519 one more fight, and hopefully that will be the case, because he fought 209 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,399 in January. Now he fought here in July, and hopefully he'll get one 210 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:01,159 more fight before the end of the year. And in this day and age, 211 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,039 you know, that's a busy year. Three fights, so good for 212 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,600 him, And to me, it's just a matter of who's next, because 213 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:07,080 whoever's next is a lot of trouble, is in a lot of trouble, 214 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,600 all right. Uh. And I have said this consistently, and there was 215 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:16,080 nothing Saturday night, Atlantic City that dissuades me. He is the most talented 216 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,480 hard punching fighter that doesn't have a world title right now, not yet, 217 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,399 and the and the IBF interim title could become a world title depending on what 218 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,080 happens. But that that did not do anything the other night to change that. 219 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,720 As far as I'm concerning any division, in any division, put it, 220 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,720 put him up against and I'll say one more, I have much love. 221 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:37,240 You see me hitting my chest even though they can't see me. I 222 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:41,519 have much love for Keith Thurman. But Keith ain't been active and I don't 223 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:46,120 know how much he really wants anymore. Jeron Nis whips up on Keith Thurman 224 00:13:46,279 --> 00:13:50,879 or Dennis Ugas right now. I just believe that both of them right now, 225 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:52,039 I'll say this, I have a lot of respect for both fighters. 226 00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:56,960 I've covered both their careers from the beginning, covered their fights in person, 227 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,120 I've interviewed them. I know them a little bit, Keith especially, Mum. 228 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,679 No disrespect intended at all. Uh And it might be both them in 229 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,679 the same night. Ooh. And and in Thurman's case, he was very 230 00:14:09,759 --> 00:14:15,440 much on the rise h and then obviously lost to Paciol We had the pandemic 231 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:18,720 year. He's fought one time basically in four years. If this is Keith 232 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,200 Thurman, I'm just standing up for my guy represent Tampa Bay area. If 233 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,679 this is Keith Thurman of twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen against this present day Geron 234 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:31,240 and his Holy Cow, this this is not twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen anymore 235 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,240 in twenty twenty three. And I don't know, So we'll see, we'll 236 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:37,960 see. What Keith said. A good guy, and he was a hello 237 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,320 fighter in his when he was in his prime. I think Keith got a 238 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,000 little soft. He made a lot of money and nothing wrong with that. 239 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:46,799 By the way, I'm not not gonna you know, he didn't need to 240 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:50,039 get up, As Marvin Hagler would say, If I'm making all that money, 241 00:14:50,039 --> 00:14:52,080 why do I get it up, get up at five in the morning 242 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,080 when I'm sleeping in pajamas and do my road work. I'm not saying he's 243 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,639 lazy. I'm just saying he doesn't necessarily have the hunger. They're comfortable. 244 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:01,120 And on top of that, he got Hi married. He got married. 245 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:05,440 By the way, injuries have been a big part of his problem, with 246 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,720 his arm and his shoulder and his elbow. Like can I tell you I 247 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,360 mean Ugas beat Pakil a couple of years ago and put on a tremendous performance 248 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,000 doing that, and then Spence took him apart over a year ago. Now, 249 00:15:15,639 --> 00:15:16,919 Ugas don't want none of that. He may say he wants that, 250 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,120 but you don't want to know that what I saw on Saturday night at a 251 00:15:20,159 --> 00:15:22,120 drown in US. And I don't work for Geron in US. I'm not 252 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,919 on his PR team. I'm just telling you you might be pretty soon. 253 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,600 I'll say that just what I saw. I don't know what else you can 254 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,759 say except that Jon Boots Ennis is a tremendous young fighter. And listen, 255 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,200 we've seen what he looked like. H we need to see him in with 256 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,360 the top level guy. Because again, I don't want to get too carried 257 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,759 away. I'm not ready to vote for for the Hall of Fame. It 258 00:15:41,919 --> 00:15:46,600 was Roman Via. Let's just keep it in person. One thing, but 259 00:15:46,679 --> 00:15:50,399 hold on. The eye test does tell you he's that talented. And then 260 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,799 when you hear things like al Bernstein said, why I have up most respect 261 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:58,360 for his opinions, that's meaningful. And Via did hit him on a couple 262 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:03,879 of occasions, and he hit him in a sequence where suddenly Marl Ronald out 263 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:07,320 personay went WHOA, he just got hit. And so I guess Keith's argument 264 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,559 if Keith, if Keith was here, or even Ugas was here, what 265 00:16:10,759 --> 00:16:14,000 happens if I hit him? Then we get to find out, you know, 266 00:16:14,279 --> 00:16:15,559 if you can hit him, then we get to find out what is 267 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,440 he made of? Have we seen him tested get hit? And what happens 268 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:25,639 when he gets hit? Ugus has never been known as a puncher. And 269 00:16:25,799 --> 00:16:29,039 Keith Thurman, who went by the you know, goes by the nickname one 270 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,440 time, and that was because his big one punch knockout guy or you know, 271 00:16:32,519 --> 00:16:34,200 big power, which he had for a long time. You know, 272 00:16:34,679 --> 00:16:37,759 Keith Thurman. These days ain't one time Keith Thurman is you know, not 273 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:41,440 enough at the time. That's my line. It's not enough at the time, 274 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:45,399 Keith, not enough of the time, Keith Thurman sometimes, you know, 275 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,759 every now and then time, I mean, you know, and he 276 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:51,519 hasn't listened. And even though Keith, again he's a he's a terrific fighter, 277 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:53,360 he isn't. I'm looking at his record now while we're talking here on 278 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,639 the podcast. His last fight was a decision victory of Amrio Barrios, a 279 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:00,480 smaller man in February of twenty twenty two, went to distance. Fight. 280 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:04,880 Before that, he lost in twenty nineteen to Nanny Pacao. Previous fight again 281 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,799 against a smaller guy in Josasito Lopez, he won a majority decision that was 282 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:12,200 also in twenty nineteen. Then you got to go back to twenty seventeen, 283 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:18,640 which was one of his biggest wins in a unification where he won split decision 284 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,839 that really could have gone either way against Danny Garcia. Now go back to 285 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,680 twenty sixteen against Sean Porter in a terrific fight that he scraped by in a 286 00:17:26,759 --> 00:17:29,039 very close decision. A lot of people thought Porter one. That was also 287 00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:33,240 a decision. The last time Keith Thurman scored a knockout, the big Man 288 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:40,079 Rafiel was a ringside at the USF Sundome and Tan two fifteen when he knocked 289 00:17:40,079 --> 00:17:42,799 out Luis Collazzo. We were both there each other, but we were both 290 00:17:42,839 --> 00:17:47,799 there and that was where Colazzo got cut over the eye in a fight that 291 00:17:47,839 --> 00:17:49,519 he was competitive in and said, I can't fight anymore. It's quit on 292 00:17:49,519 --> 00:17:53,799 the stool with the cut. I wasn't a ko ko a knockdown all right, 293 00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:56,279 so, but yeah, we spent a lot of time on this. 294 00:17:56,319 --> 00:18:00,039 Let's see what's next for Ennis and depending on what happens here with Spence and 295 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:07,720 with Crawford and a rematch and all of those different variables, let's just we'll 296 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:10,400 wait and we'll wait and see all that. I rest of that card before 297 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,119 we move on, and I promised no Nito don are coming up one on 298 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,960 one with Dan rest of the showtime PPC card. What else stood out real 299 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:19,799 quick well? In the co feature, he had the middleweight heavily hyped up 300 00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:23,200 Cuban prospect Joelvis Gomez, who was only six and oh going into the fight, 301 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,880 but very advanced for where he was in his career, and they matched 302 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,559 him up with a tough guy. But you know, nobody that really people 303 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:33,599 thought was going to give him a big problem. But a credible fight for 304 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,720 a fight with only six fights, and that was Marquis Taylor. And you 305 00:18:36,759 --> 00:18:40,319 know what, it was an ugly fight. It was not the most entertaining 306 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,799 or crowd pleasing fight. But you gotta give props to Marcus Tell, who 307 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,680 endeared himself to me for life with the way he conducted himself in the interview. 308 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,359 He had after the fight with our friend Jim Gray from a showtime. 309 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,960 Look, he did what he had to do to win the fight. Again, 310 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,720 I said, it wasn't pretty, but you know, because he held 311 00:18:55,759 --> 00:18:57,200 a bit and he kind of mugged him a little bit. And he made 312 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,400 the point in the interview with Jim afterwards that way he could win was to 313 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,400 stay really close and you know, in his chest because if he got on 314 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,559 the outside, he said, and he had you know, he said, 315 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,039 Gomez, when he hit him, he had crazy power, so he knew 316 00:19:08,079 --> 00:19:11,920 that the safest place from the b was on his chest basically. But Marquis 317 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,640 Taylor, you know, he gutted it out. He got cut in the 318 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,680 first round. He scored a knockdown. Uh that was you know Jova's Gomez 319 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,839 said afterwards. You know, he thought he was off balance, but it 320 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,039 was a great shot that clean landed clean. That was a big moment for 321 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:27,920 him in the fight for for Taylor. And he got tired as the fight 322 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,839 went on, but he had put so many of those early rounds in the 323 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:33,599 bank that was able to hang on even when when he was a little tired 324 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:37,039 at the end and Gomez was coming on because Gomez was in his first fight 325 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,319 with the trainer Joe Goosen, who was telling him in the corner, you 326 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,599 know the right things, and certainly before the tenth and final round told him, 327 00:19:44,599 --> 00:19:47,680 look and I want you to get a knockout, and uh, that's 328 00:19:47,799 --> 00:19:49,559 that's Joe saying, go get a knockout, like I need a knockout, 329 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,319 right, And he couldn't do it. But in the end, Uh, 330 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,400 Taylor scores the upset. He wins ninety on one square card and then the 331 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,759 other two cards were ninety six ninety three, so it was close on two 332 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:03,400 of the cards. But for Taylor, if you look at the official cards, 333 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,799 he really won the fight in those first five rounds because two judges gave 334 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,319 him rounds one through five. Another judge gave him four the first five rounds, 335 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:12,480 and then one of those judge also I give him a five of the 336 00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:15,799 first sixth rounds. So he was able to bank in off of those early 337 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,680 rounds and then just win you know, one or two down the stretch on 338 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,359 the other car to get the decision. So that's a big upset. That's 339 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,119 the biggest moment of his career. And he came off great in the post 340 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,079 fight interview and you know, again not the most exciting guy, but Albert 341 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,119 for him in the future because that was a that was a ballsy performance from 342 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,920 him and he did a good job. And then the other fight on the 343 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,759 card, which we have to spend about ten seconds on because the fight stunk 344 00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:41,200 out loud. That was the lightweights edwin de Los Santos and a basically a 345 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,160 two shutout scores in a ten and nine and one score against Joseph and Dornio, 346 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:47,799 who I don't need to see anymore. I'm tired of him. It 347 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,839 was a terrible, miserable, a piece of shit garbage fight was Dalos Santos. 348 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:56,519 Congratulations he won. Let's move on, Okay, we shall move on 349 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,880 here to the de Zone Golden Boys show. San Antonio well documented the Virgil 350 00:21:02,039 --> 00:21:10,519 Ortiz Amantas Stanione's fight canceled because of Ortiz's health situation, So then the Floyd 351 00:21:10,599 --> 00:21:15,000 Scofield fight was moved up to the main event ten round fight with veteran Haskell 352 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,079 Roads, and Scofield delivered exactly like what we thought. We talked about this 353 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,480 on the preview podcast, we talked about on the bet Us show. Again, 354 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,279 I was a little more ambitious on Scofield getting a knockout. You went 355 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:32,240 the decision route and cashed a nice tasty ticket on the thirty plus three thirty 356 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,480 on the bet Us line. I thought, Scofield, tell me the truth. 357 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:37,880 I thought Scofield was gonna get him out of the air. Seventh round. 358 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,119 He scored the big knockdown, and Scofield even said give him a lot 359 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,880 of credit because that left that he caught him within the seventh round and then 360 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,240 Haskell double impacts smacked his head on the canvas. He got up from that, 361 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,720 got knocked down again, got up from that and fought on. He 362 00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:55,640 deserves a lot of credit because I think a lot of people thought it was 363 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,200 gonna be over right there in the seventh round. Four knockdowns or three knock 364 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,400 thoughs I can't remember. It was three knockdowns over the whole time. And 365 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,240 he knocked him down with a body shot in the eighth round and had him 366 00:22:06,319 --> 00:22:11,079 hurt, but again no stoppage. Haskell Rhodes made it to the finish line 367 00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:15,359 for the decision. But Scofield very impressive. Your thoughts, including on what 368 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,079 could be next upcoming in his next fight or two look, Haskell Rhodes was 369 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,160 a durable veteran. I mean, he had been stopped before, but I 370 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,759 didn't you know, one stoppage does not mean you can't take a shot that 371 00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:26,920 happens. So my feeling was because I like scho Field a lot. I 372 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,160 mean, as I've said before, I had him on my top prospects list 373 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,839 at the end of last year. He's now fifteen to oz with eleven knockouts, 374 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,440 and obviously that's a good knockout percentage. But having watched now a few 375 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,160 of his fights, you know, even though he's got the stoppages, they're 376 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,079 not against the top opponents. So I don't look at him as like this 377 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,240 big puncher. I hee more as a boxer. Maybe I'll change our opinions 378 00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:49,720 as he moves on to his career and and faces better level of opponents. 379 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,559 He's only twenty years old. He's got plenty of time to grow into this 380 00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:56,559 thing. He's a tremendous prospect. But Rhodes was a savvy veteran who had 381 00:22:56,599 --> 00:23:00,279 a lot of heart, and so I wasn't surprised that he went to distance 382 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,640 or you know, even deep into the fight. That's why I picked the 383 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,599 fight to go the ten round route, and that Schofield would win. He 384 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,559 wanted to shut out and uh you know, look he got important rounds in 385 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:11,799 against the best opponent of his career. I know, he was happy to 386 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:15,799 be in the main event. Uh you know, although you know, certainly 387 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,240 offering his best wishes to the recovery for Virgil Artist because that was supposed to 388 00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:22,799 me an event, main event. So as a main event Schofield and Hasker 389 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:26,400 Rolds was a huge disappointment because we all wanted to see the other fight between 390 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,960 Stanionis and Artis. But once that situation unfolded and now he got schoe Field 391 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,359 in the main event, you know, he did what he was supposed to 392 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,519 do. He looked good. I mean, he did everything but scored the 393 00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:38,079 knockout. As he mentioned, he's got a bunch of knockdowns and you know, 394 00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:41,200 autboxed, uh you know, a veteran opponent, you know, pretty 395 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,319 handily. H There was the one unfortunate incident I believe it was in the 396 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,839 last round actually, or maybe he was in the ninth round where there was 397 00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:52,960 a terrible accidental headbut clearly accidental, and Haskell Rhodes and him came together and 398 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:56,799 roads his head hit Scoe Field on the cheek and it ripped open a very 399 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,960 very bloody, terrible cut like bad. And you know that's not going to 400 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:03,799 keep him out for a long time because it's like right on the flesh there. 401 00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:06,039 But that was still a rough way to finish on the fight that you 402 00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:08,960 were totally dominated to get badly cut like that, and after the fight, 403 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,799 what I dig about Schoolfield is a lot of guys would beat their chests and 404 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:15,720 I want a title shot, and I want this, and I want to 405 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,880 fight that. Obviously, the lightweight limit right now, there's only one champion. 406 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,440 That's Devin Haney, who's got a lot of mandatorious to deal with, 407 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,680 and he's got this to deal with, and nobody's sure if he's gonna stay 408 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,960 at lightweight or go to one forty. And if he stays at lightweight, 409 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,279 he's certainly not fighting Sploys school Field. And if he stayed, if he 410 00:24:29,319 --> 00:24:32,559 goes up to one forty and the belts become fret fractured, Floyd's not in 411 00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:33,799 a position to be fighting for one of those vacant belts anyway. So what 412 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,599 I like about him is that he's like calling out the next best guy who's 413 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,079 an up and comer with him, and that he was making noise afterwards saying, 414 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,920 come on, Keishan Davis, fight me. Keishan Davis, of course, 415 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,200 being the silver medal winner in the twenty twenty Olympics, an undefeated fighter 416 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,160 with top rank, who's getting back in the ring later this month, who's 417 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,440 another outstanding prospect in his own right. I picked him as the prospect of 418 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,200 the year last you know, at the end of twenty twenty two, on 419 00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:00,319 the same I picked him number one on that same list where I had school 420 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,359 Field, you know, further down that list in the top fifteen. And 421 00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:07,720 that won't happen obviously, but yeah, I like, let's be realistic for 422 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:11,240 three point nine seconds. It's not happening. But I'm only making the point. 423 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:14,720 Is I like the swagger, I like the mock scene. I like 424 00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:17,640 the fearlessness to call it out. And I had, by the way, 425 00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:22,519 have zero doubt in my mind that if their promoters, management or whatever went 426 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:26,200 to either Keshan or to school Field and offered in the fight, they would 427 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,359 sign on the dotted line, because they're the kind of guys I believe that 428 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,720 are willing to, you know, get in the ring and test themselves at 429 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:33,039 this point. But look, what do you say. I mean, it 430 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,319 was a one sided win, and it was It was a good showcase for 431 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,720 him. It wasn't the most exciting fight, but it wasn't bad. I 432 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,599 mean there was knockdowns and there was punching, and you got to admire the 433 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,000 heart that haskel Road showed so solid fight. The only disappointing fact was that 434 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:48,759 it was on opposite literally at the exact same time that the Draft Innis fight 435 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:52,039 was happening. So I was paying contention mostly to the Boutennis fight and went 436 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:55,279 back and watched some of the the fight between school Field and the Roads. 437 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,799 You were locked in there, and I was in a little bit of communication 438 00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:59,799 with you because we were putting it up on the side. I was running 439 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,880 the recap up and actually they got about nine eight ninth round where that cut 440 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,519 happened before the Nis fight started. The nisfight ring Walks got in the ring 441 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:11,240 the introductions, and I thought we were going to get to the end. 442 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:12,880 So they only overlapped really a little bit. But if you I guess I 443 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:18,079 was. I was locked in on the Yoeva's goal mess fight. I guess 444 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,039 chill. But the bottom the bottom line is Scofield gets the victory and let's 445 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:25,039 hope again he's been very active four fights in twenty twenty two. This was 446 00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:27,160 his third fight of twenty twenty three. I have to think they're gonna have 447 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,359 him back in the ring probably in the fall. Here, no question, 448 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,720 you got to market somebody, and why not market this guy. Also, 449 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:37,400 remember one thing, they have dates on his own and on top of this, 450 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,759 and you know this is one of the factors that goes into these situations. 451 00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:45,279 Why younger fighters are typically more active is because Floyd Schofield fits the budget 452 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,640 right now. He's not. You know, he's making as his career goes 453 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,640 on and he increases his activity and fights more fights. Is his pay levels 454 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,839 increasing and he's making his biggest paydays, but they're still not what they would 455 00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:00,400 be if he's a top world champion. 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Actually, you know, let's talk about Friday Night 479 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:51,759 before we get to your conversation fourth Width in just a moment with no Nito 480 00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:56,279 don Air, the Friday Night Zone matchroom card from Mexico where super middleweight up 481 00:28:56,279 --> 00:29:03,720 and comer Diego Pacheco did deliver a brown TKO over Manuel Guyegos. Tell me 482 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,680 more about what you saw real quick on Funday night and Pacheco's upside as well. 483 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,319 I saw, I saw a future Superman aweight world champion. And when 484 00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:12,680 I'm thinking about this, you know, I wasn't thinking about this beforehand, 485 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,839 but as we're talking about it's here on the podcast. You had Pacheco was 486 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,440 taking care of business against a pretty solid opponent on Friday Night. Then on 487 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,640 Saturday you had what we talked about with John Ennis taking care of his business 488 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,160 in a very impressive fashion. And also about Floyd Schofield. Now Scofield is 489 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,799 on the younger end of the spectrum in terms of prospects. Pacheco's maybe a 490 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:37,720 little bit more advanced than him, and obviously Boots Tennis is a motified contender. 491 00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:45,400 But you're talking about three undefeated young fighters, American fighters who have so 492 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:51,400 much future ahead of them. Boots obviously at the elite level and Schofield not 493 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,519 even at the Pacheco level yet. But Pacheco, you know, I refer 494 00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:56,359 to him as sort of an emerging contender, a young emerging contender. But 495 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,319 that's three really good names that I think can be around for a while. 496 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,359 That will be maybe talking about on this podcast as it goes on. But 497 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,279 in terms of what Pacheco did, look, he's only twenty two years old. 498 00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:08,880 He signed with match Room Boxing. Out of the amateurs, they've had 499 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,039 him since he was seventeen years old. He's been he was as Eddie Hearn 500 00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:15,640 made the point when he was talking on the z own broadcast, and I 501 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,319 think he's right about this. He was I think literally the first American fighter 502 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:25,519 that match Room Boxing signed, when they know they had signed Danny Jacob's years 503 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:27,079 before that. Boot I'm talking about once they had to deal with the zonn 504 00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:30,440 and they were going to start doing regular events in the United States. Diego 505 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,839 Pacheco was one of the first guys, if not the very first guy that 506 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,839 they signed. So he has been with them and they've built him from the 507 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,960 ground up. He's now nineteen to oh with sixteen knockouts and that was just 508 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,200 a very impressive performance. I mean, if you remember back in on March 509 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,839 of this year, that was his first fight of twenty twenty three. He 510 00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:48,039 was supposed to being an undercart in the UK. The main event was canceled 511 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:52,920 and he was pressed into action fighting a British fighter in Britain, and there's 512 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,440 a lot of questions, how's he going to deal with that new spotlight on 513 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,640 the road fighting of the British guy who was a pretty experienced fighter in Jack 514 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,319 Collin. And what did Diego I do? He absolutely, you know, 515 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,839 just scorched him in four rounds and looked spectacular. Now he comes back against 516 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:07,000 Diegos, he headlines one of the smaller matchum cards that they do, you 517 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,519 know, a series of these events in Mexico and again fourth round knockout against 518 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:15,160 Manuel Guyegos, who was, you know, a rugged dude and he just 519 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,160 took him apart. He ended him with a body shot that was spectacular left 520 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,559 hook, and that's all she wrote. But Diego Pacheco, he looks the 521 00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:26,519 part, he fights the part. He's got that youthful exuberance. He's got 522 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:30,160 a good amateur background, he's got good size for his weight class. He's 523 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,160 obviously got good power. Feels like from what I've seen, he takes a 524 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,200 decent shot. Again. I think that this guy, as I tweeted, 525 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,960 we're watching the emergence of a potential champion and potential star in Diego Pacheco. 526 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,519 And now after that victory, the plan for him, according to match Room, 527 00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:48,200 as Eddie stated on the broadcast, is that he will fight again in 528 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,400 the fall. And instead of going around all these other places Mexico and in 529 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,319 Liverpool, England, and he fought on an undercart in Arizona, They're gonna 530 00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:01,279 fashion some kind of event around him in southern California. He's from Los Angeles, 531 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:05,079 and see if they can start building him up to bring out his people, 532 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,960 his fan base to support him. And you know, I look forward 533 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,920 to his his continued emergence. I mean, he's not ready obviously to fight 534 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,440 the likes of a Canelo Alvarez who's the undisputed champion. But you know, 535 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,400 I don't think he's that far away from fighting like a top contender or real 536 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,680 guy. Good stuff. Let's get to more good stuff, and that includes 537 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:29,960 upcoming vacant WBC Bannom weight title fight that will be this Saturday between No Nito 538 00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:35,720 Donnair and Alexandro Santiago. Donaire already holds the distinction of being the oldest Bannom 539 00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:39,359 weight champion ever at thirty eight. He lost the title after gaining it at 540 00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:44,759 that age to Naola the Monster. In a way, now it's vacant again 541 00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:47,279 because in a way vacated the belts to move up. So No Nito is 542 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:52,519 looking to better his own record and become the oldest again. Yes, well 543 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:55,240 he did it once, Yes he can't get it again in the in the 544 00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:58,759 last time he won the title. Now he can break that record for the 545 00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:01,799 third time at age forty. So he's a remarkable athlete, a remarkable person, 546 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,680 a future Hall of famer, a four division champion who everything that he 547 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,599 does from now on is just icing on the cake of his of his cren 548 00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:13,720 No Needo and I spoke about that in the interview, and uh, I've 549 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:17,279 known Nonedo Donair pretty much his whole career. I've covered many of his major 550 00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:22,720 fights. I know him pretty well and his wife Rachel, they're they're they're 551 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,240 wonderful people, and he is a great, great fighter. Let's get to 552 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:31,799 the conversation now, Dan one on one with Nono. It's my great honor 553 00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:36,519 to welcome to our podcast this week a man I've known for many years. 554 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,440 When I when I know he's still fighting and I'm still writing, it makes 555 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,000 me feel still young. It is none other than the four division world champion, 556 00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:45,720 future Hall of Famer, I might add, if I may be so 557 00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:47,680 bold to say, Nonedo Donair, No Needo, welcome to the show. 558 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,960 Thank you very much for doing this. Thanks for having me. Dan, 559 00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:54,000 always great talking to me. Man. You bet so. We'll tell the 560 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,119 people why you're here. You have a big time fight for your career. 561 00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:00,839 I think icing on the cake of a great career. Frankly, you're gonna 562 00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:05,720 take on Alexandro Santiago. It's on the showtime card. It is on July 563 00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:08,519 fifteenth from the Cosmopolitan of Las Vegas. A nice home game for you, 564 00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:12,280 since you live in Vegas. Don't have to make a long drive to the 565 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,039 arena at any event. You're fighting for another world title, and it's sort 566 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:20,639 of you know, I mean, you're forty years old. Obviously you're closer 567 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:22,559 to the end in the beginning, but another great opportunity. Can you just 568 00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:25,000 first of all, just tell me what it means to you to get this 569 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:30,159 chance That is not necessarily something that coming off of a loss that a lot 570 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:34,920 of fighters may have gotten. But your track record is so tremendous and you're 571 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,519 in position in the ratings with the WBC that this is happening. Yeah, 572 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:42,960 I'm very happy that this is happening. You know, it was Jason Maloney 573 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,199 at first, and you know they went their different route, and so you 574 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,079 know, getting this opportunity to fight for the title, I mean, that's 575 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,880 that's what every box. I mean, even though I've been doing this for 576 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,880 quite some time, it's a sills me. Still is that thing you know, 577 00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,280 to be able to fight for a title? Well, we're gonna do 578 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,920 it all. Some statistics here for a second. You're forty two and seven 579 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,000 with twenty eight knockouts. This is going to be your fiftieth professional fight at 580 00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:15,039 age forty and I wonder, did you ever, in your wildest imagination think 581 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,800 that not only would you still be professionally boxing at forty at a high level, 582 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,039 I might add, and going into your fiftieth fight and fighting for yet 583 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:25,679 another world title. It seems like would be crazy if you actually thought that 584 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:31,360 would be the case. Nope, not a single thing ever less still be 585 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,760 fighting. Man. You know, it was just one of those things that 586 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,360 I started to just enjoy what I do. And you know, I know 587 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,719 that it's not something that I will be doing for the rest of my life. 588 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,239 You know. For me, I just want to keep going every day 589 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,199 when I wake up in the morning that I'm excited. I'm still on it, 590 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,559 you know. So I don't know how long I can do this or 591 00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:55,840 how how fast it may be, but you know, right now, in 592 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,719 my head, I want to break Hotkis records. That's my head right now. 593 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,360 So you know, by any moment that I don't have that joy to 594 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,360 wake up in the morning, then you know, then I'll hang that levelow. 595 00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:10,159 Well, when you say break Bernard Hopkins's record, you mean to be 596 00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:14,920 the fighter to become the oldest world champion, which he did in his I 597 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,039 believe he was forty six and then broke it again when he was forty eight. 598 00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:21,239 I'm not sure going to be an another eight years. Uh, you 599 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,679 never know, a Dan, You know, a challenge is a challenge again, 600 00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:29,800 you know, that's something that's that's making me go and wake up and 601 00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:34,400 be inspired, you know. And so every man has to have a purpose, 602 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,800 and then that's my purpose right now, to keep me inspired and motivated. 603 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,519 So during your twenty third year as a professional, I wonder when you 604 00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:45,079 started off in two thousand and one, how long did you think this was 605 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:49,280 gonna go. What did you think was going to be the long term view 606 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,320 of your career. I didn't even think I was going to be that long, 607 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,039 you know. I thought that after I get a title, um, 608 00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:59,320 that was it for me. You know. Um, I was contemplating for 609 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:05,119 a very long time when I first got my I'm just fight here. Maybe 610 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,920 I'll stop, you know, But here I am again. You know. 611 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,880 But I've never thought, never even thought that I'll be fighting for this loan. 612 00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:16,559 So you mentioned you said you'd get a title and maybe that would be 613 00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:19,800 it. So I don't know if you if you know this, or you've 614 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,360 thought about this, or you realize this, but I'll tell the people who 615 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,480 are listening. We're doing this interview on July sixth, that is one day 616 00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:31,519 shy of the sixteenth anniversary of when you scored that spectacular left hook knockout Victorty 617 00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:37,360 and to when your first world title, the IBF Flyway built. Do you 618 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,960 remember what do you remember about that great moment? And can you believe that 619 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,199 we're both still doing what we do sixteen years later? I oh, man, 620 00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:49,840 man, you're making me, you know remember all this stuff. Man, 621 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,159 it just feels like you listens yesterday. You're telling me, no, 622 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,400 you know it's it's uh. I mean, I remember just being this hungry 623 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,199 kid and all I wanted to do was just get this titled. No matter 624 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,119 what, you know, it in my head it was like break my heart, 625 00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:09,000 break my legs. I'm still gonna try to buy you to death if 626 00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:12,800 I need to. You know. It was just that mentality that no matter 627 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,880 what, I wasn't all quit. That was quite the knockout, and you 628 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,719 used that left took a lot of times and in the years that came after 629 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,760 that. Obviously in your last fight you suffered the knockout loss in the rematch 630 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,920 to in a way in the second round. That was a three belt what 631 00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:30,800 bandon wite unification fight, and I wondered after that was over. I remember 632 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,519 watching the video that Rachel, your wife, had posted on your social media 633 00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:38,559 on YouTube. I think it was um and you know, it felt like, 634 00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:42,079 you know, you were realizing that maybe this was the end in that 635 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,800 retirement maybe, Beck And can you tell me a little bit about what changed 636 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,519 your thoughts from maybe I'm going to retire to you know what, I'm not 637 00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:52,800 only gonna make a comeback, but I'm gonna get myself into another world championship 638 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,360 opportunity. Well, I think that after the fight, for me, it 639 00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:00,159 was just like, you know, I'm I'm done. I think I'm done. 640 00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:02,880 You know. I was very heartbroken, you know, and I talked 641 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,480 to the team right there and then that I think this is it. This 642 00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:07,960 is it, you know. And then for a couple of hours, I 643 00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,280 was like, you know what, I don't think that was my best. 644 00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:13,599 I just don't think that was my best. I mean, I didn't have 645 00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:15,760 anybody to warm me up during that fight. You know, I felt like, 646 00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:21,400 um, everything was just not properly and it was just a matter of 647 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:27,480 time that that UM that for me whether I still got it. I wanted 648 00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:30,440 to try it for this fight, and this fight will be the one to 649 00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:35,039 remake me realize was that was? Was that just my it was? Is 650 00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:38,880 this just my my selfish, um desire to keep going? Or or do 651 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,440 I still got it? You know? And And because with Innuay, he's 652 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,039 a great fighter in great power, you know, in that level, anything 653 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:51,280 can happen, you know. Um, But this fight right here, um, 654 00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,519 Alejandro Santiago is a great fighter, is a tough guy, but he's 655 00:39:54,559 --> 00:40:01,519 not in the level of Innuay. And and I I I expect victory with 656 00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:07,119 this fight, you know, And and anything shy of that means it's done 657 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:09,840 for me. So you mentioned though before about you know what I'm gonna I 658 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,639 think you were joking. Maybe you were serious about want to break Bernard Hopkins's 659 00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:15,559 record. But here's one record you can break. I told you he broke 660 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:20,039 his own record for being the oldest to win a world title. What you 661 00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:22,760 can do if you win this fight against Santiago is that you will break your 662 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,400 own record as the oldest fighter to win a bandom Way title. What does 663 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,079 that mean to you? I mean, I know you like records. What 664 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:35,199 what person in sports doesn't right for me. It's just again, it's just 665 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,760 another way to motivate myself. You know, I believe I'm not really the 666 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,679 kind of guy that collects things or put things in my head. I've always 667 00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:45,519 just been the kind of person that when it's done, it's done. You 668 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:47,760 know. I can celebrate in this moment, but when it's said, it's 669 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,000 said, we too, we tend to get things in and so in order 670 00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:55,000 for me to be motivated, I have to kind of set myself that I'm 671 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,239 doing it again, and I'm gonna keep doing it again and keep doing it 672 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,119 again, you know, And that's my motivation. But again, you know, 673 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:07,880 if if anything that is not to my liking or to not to the 674 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:13,039 team's um effort that we did because we are great in the camp, if 675 00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:17,280 anything less than that, you know, then boxing is not for me anymore. 676 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,760 But I believe that that I have a lot left and this is why 677 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,320 I'm so excited about it. Well, as I said, you've won world 678 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,039 championships in four different weight classes, and I want to go over a couple 679 00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:30,880 of things because you've got a career littered with accolades. Here's three, and 680 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:37,280 I cantancing myself somewhat of a historian, and I have trouble finding anybody that's 681 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,280 done all three of these things other than No Needo don't air. In two 682 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:45,079 thousand and eleven, you were you were, you were. Most people picked 683 00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:46,199 you as having won the knockout of you know, by the knockout of the 684 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,159 year. That was when you knocked out Fernando Montiel in the second round to 685 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,199 win his unified dannom Wit titles. The first time you were the bandamweight champion. 686 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,960 Two thousand and twelve, you were pretty much the universal fighter of the 687 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,599 year by all the big publications, the boxing writers of America. That was 688 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,320 you had four wins, you unified the junior featherweight titles, and in twenty 689 00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:07,159 nineteen, even though you lost the fight in your first matchup with in a 690 00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:08,599 way, you gave them by far a stuffistfight as a pro and it was 691 00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:13,119 voted pretty much by everybody as the fight of the year. Which one of 692 00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,480 those three things? I mean, that's that's a lot of stuff right there, 693 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:17,440 But is there one of those that means the most of those three accolades? 694 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:25,280 Um? I think just the twenty twelve because it was just something that 695 00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:31,840 UM the highest I guess the highest thing that that the fighter can have is 696 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,519 becoming the fight at the year, and I proved that by fighting all these 697 00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:39,480 great champions and then taking all the belts, you know, taking taking whatever 698 00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:45,679 bults I can take. Um. So to me, that was just I'm 699 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:50,440 really proud of that moment because I was very motivated in capturing everything that year. 700 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,599 Well, you said that that that was the highest thing that a fighter 701 00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:58,159 can do, But I believe there's one greater thing, and that is the 702 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,039 election to the Boxing Hall of Fame. A few weeks ago they had the 703 00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:07,280 inductions in Cannistot. I watched them on their excellent streaming their YouTube channel and 704 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,039 watch all these you know, great fighters, Timothy Bradley and Carl Frout and 705 00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:15,719 Raphael Marquez. They were the three main from the modern men's category be inducted. 706 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,400 Listen, you're a modest guy, but it's you're an inevitable Hall of 707 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,440 Fame candidate. You're going to be elected. I have zero doubt. I've 708 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,000 been voting for twenty plus years, no doubt in my mind, you're going 709 00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:29,519 to be elected on the first ballot. For that matter, have you ever 710 00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:34,280 taken a minute or longer or less to think about your own potential Hall of 711 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,840 Fame election, because it is a bigger thing in the pantheon than being the 712 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,880 Fighter of the year, it seems to me. Right. The only reason 713 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,760 I haven't said that yet is because I'm out there yet, So I kind 714 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,480 of guid that in this moment in time, that's where I live, you 715 00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:52,159 know, and that is me being an active fighter. So I don't really 716 00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,559 think about the future in that sense, and just I don't think about the 717 00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:58,559 past, thinking about the psire too much, and think about what's happening now 718 00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:01,400 for me. And that's why to me in that moment, if I have 719 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,159 to recollect, because I haven't gotten there yet, you know. But in 720 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:12,159 overall, yes, that would be that the biggest thing in in achievement for 721 00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,840 any fighter. Um. But I have not thought about anything of that except 722 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:21,119 for just keep getting, just keep getting those titles, keep beating these guys, 723 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,440 and you know, again, become the undisputed. I That's always been 724 00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:29,159 something that I that eludes me, and this is something that's given me the 725 00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:32,800 opportunity now, you know. But it starts with with Santiago fair enough, 726 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,159 and I'll just wrap up with this, No Needo. Uh, if everything 727 00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:39,239 goes good for you in this fight with Santiago, you win the WBC Bandomway 728 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,920 title. Uh. It strikes me that it's You're not going to be of 729 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,559 the mindset I'm gonna just win this belt and retire. You're gonna want to 730 00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:49,920 defend the title and uh and go as far as you can go as you've 731 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,679 mentioned, have you thought of I mean, the Bandomway division has become a 732 00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:55,679 little bit um not as big of names because I mean you're still there, 733 00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:59,760 but in a way has left that was obviously the big one for a while. 734 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:00,760 And if you want to become on dispute, you kind of have to 735 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,800 start over with the different guys that are picking up these belts. And maybe 736 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,199 there's somebody from a smaller weight division. Is there some other Is there a 737 00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:09,199 big fight out there we've talked about in the past about you know, you 738 00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:14,239 had said to me how much you love maybe to fight like a Chocolate Tdo 739 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,000 Gonzalez, if you could come up with the right weight situation or somebody like 740 00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:21,400 that. What is there some other like big fight in your mind that you 741 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,639 would love to have before it's all done. Well, that's well right now, 742 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,760 the thing in my head is becoming a disputed getting all the belts. 743 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,599 But if there is a chance to go down to the one fifteen to get 744 00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:37,079 my fifth division, it doesn't matter who it is in that division. You 745 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:40,000 know, for me that would I would drop down that that division and get 746 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,000 the type and come back, all right, a man that knows what he 747 00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:46,480 wants to do. Nudio, thank you very much for doing this today. 748 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,480 I appreciate. I couldn't wish you any more luck in the fight come your 749 00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:53,320 matchup with Santiago, Thank you very much. Always great man, Thank you. 750 00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:59,880 Good stuff there, very personable, and you got to say something about 751 00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:02,639 one other thing to touch on here. He continues to be able to make 752 00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:07,440 that weight when a lot of other fighters at thirty six, thirty eight forty 753 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,679 would maybe move up to one twenty two or even higher, he can still 754 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,840 make one eighteen. Here's here's what's remarka about don't air. He was champion 755 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,800 at flyweight. He spent a little bit of time that junior bandom wait, 756 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,280 never got a title shot one in room tunnel, and then decided to go 757 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,559 up and won a title at one twenty two unified titles at one twenty two 758 00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:28,039 multiple times, went to one twenty six and won a world title, was 759 00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:30,760 you know, was beaten in that way class eventually by the much bigger, 760 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,960 big powerful Nicholas Walters ended up coming back and then went back eventually back to 761 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,119 Bannomwait. He got an opportunity to go into the World Boxing Super Series and 762 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,199 drop down back to Bannomwait, and everybody wondered, all, how can you 763 00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:45,039 still make that Wight after all these years? And he's been making it ever 764 00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:47,360 since. So he's already gone all the way to twenty six and been a 765 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,760 champion. And this is the kicker. As we spoke about a little bit 766 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,199 in the interview, and I've talked about him, talked about this with him 767 00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:55,960 in the past. He never got a real title out one hundred and fifteen 768 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,360 pounds. That eluded him because of the way that the the you know, 769 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,800 the schedules were working, who the champions were, etc. So he whatever 770 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,519 happens if he doesn't retire after this fight, winn or lose, he still 771 00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:08,079 says, I can make one fifteen and I'll go down and fight one of 772 00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:10,840 the guys there. He had spoken to me at one time about wanting to 773 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,360 fight Roman Chocolatedo Gonzalez or Estrada. But he would set I'll fight anybody for 774 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,920 a title one fifteen if we can make a deal, because that's something I've 775 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,039 never accomplished, and that would make me a five division champion, which has 776 00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:25,199 never been done in the history of the Philippines other than Manny Pacio obviously, 777 00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:29,440 and that would be a big feather in his cap and something that he could 778 00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:30,800 as you know, as I have joked with him privately, that could be 779 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,960 just another thing you can put on your great Hall of Fame resume. But 780 00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,320 oh look he's got He's going to be the favorite against Santiago. It's on 781 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:42,360 that it's a the co future of the Showtime card that's at the Cosmopolitan of 782 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,000 Las Vegas. Frank Martin is in the headliner, the lightweight in an elimination 783 00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:49,159 fight. But for me, nothing against Frank Martin, who's one of the 784 00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:52,039 top young fighters out there. But I'm interested to see what my man Nonido 785 00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:55,760 don Er can still do. He's had a tremendous square list and pay about 786 00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,360 this Fighter of the Year in twenty twelve loser, but in the Fight of 787 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,280 the Year in twenty nineteen, and then prior to two thousand. I want 788 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,440 to say it was two thousand and eleven, maybe it was or twenty and 789 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,440 ten, I forget what year. But he was also the winner of the 790 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,760 fight that in which he scored the knockout of the year when he had this 791 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,800 spectacle that was two eleven, a second round knockout against Fernando Montiel fight. 792 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,599 I was actually at at the covering at the Mandalay Bay. That was the 793 00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:21,639 night where he won the VANDAM White title for the first time, and he 794 00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:24,360 won two belts that night. Um, I don't have enough words to talk 795 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:29,239 about how great noneo, don't aris he would thrive and be a great champion 796 00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:31,840 in the smaller weight classes in any air of boxing. In the conversation with 797 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:37,320 Carba Hall and Ricardo Lopez and a Roman Gonzalez, and I mean, pick 798 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,800 pick a smaller weight fighter that that strikes your fancy and you know he's in 799 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,559 that same ballpark, same conversation. Good stuff. News now and then some 800 00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:51,159 nostalgia. Okay, follow up, you have been doing some digging and what's 801 00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:54,440 the latest with Stanionis and the WBA and what it means for staniosis his future 802 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,760 and how soon if you know, could he actually be in the ring because 803 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,039 he was ready to go. Can they get him a new opponent in the 804 00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:04,639 next month. I don't know how realistic any of this is. What have 805 00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:07,199 you been able to find out in the last couple of days well as far 806 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:08,679 as what Stanionis will do in the in the in the future. You know, 807 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,360 when I spoke to his manager, Shelley Finkle about it, they were 808 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,639 just still assessing their situation. Uh, Shelley reminded me, and he's one 809 00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:21,840 hundred percent read about this, that Stanionis h stepped aside to allow the fight 810 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,079 between Crawford and and Uh and Arrow Spence to go forward because he was already 811 00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:29,199 the mandatory in the WBA and to have all the belts at stake. They 812 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:30,920 don't. They weren't looking to screw that up. So but now the this 813 00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:35,039 fight was Stanionis and Ortiz is not happening. They want to assert their rights 814 00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:36,920 and they want the winner. I mean, look, a lot of guys 815 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,719 want to winner. Bootsennis wants the winner. He's the IBF mandatory. Obviously, 816 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,119 whoever wins can only fight one fight at a time, and it's most 817 00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:44,679 likely a rematch. So we'll see how it all shakes that with the belts. 818 00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:46,880 I've said to you more than once that if there is a rematch, 819 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:52,199 I think there's a good, good possibility that if it happens, all the 820 00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:55,079 belts won't be at stake. WHI wouldn't be an unprecedented would not be unprecedented. 821 00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:58,159 I mean when you know, and this is just one example off the 822 00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:00,400 top of my head, when and this is back at time, you know, 823 00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:05,119 going back fifteen years ago or so, when when Bernard Hopkins and Jermaine 824 00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:08,320 Taylor had their two fight series, their first fight was for undisputed. When 825 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:13,559 they got to the rematch, by that time, Taylor couldn't had a honor 826 00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:15,519 certain mandatories and he was stripped of a belt or whatever. Or maybe two 827 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,679 point was the rematch was not for all the belts like it had been the 828 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,480 first time round. So that could happen and standy Onis or Boots whoever could 829 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,400 fit in to getting one of those other belts. But in any event, 830 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,000 the main thing, the upshot of what happened with Ortiz being not medically fit 831 00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:36,079 to fight on Saturday, and the fight had already been postponed because of what 832 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,960 had been postponed three times are now canceled three times, once because of standi 833 00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:44,599 Onis's medical issue, which was minor in the scheme of things I've been deck 834 00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:47,440 to me where he was fined after a couple of months, but twice because 835 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,159 of the situation with Virgil that the I spoke to the WBA president, Gilberto 836 00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:55,840 Mendoza, who said to me, in a vote of their Championships committee, 837 00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:00,880 and the paperwork will go out that they voted to to strip Ortiz of his 838 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:06,960 mandatory position and allow Stanionis to go forward and do any kind of you know, 839 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,159 optional defense he wants under the rules of how that works. So but 840 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,559 here's the thing about it. Stanionis wants to winner. They're not going to 841 00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:17,000 go scheduling a fight until they see what happens in July twenty ninth, and 842 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:22,000 Ortiz is probably not going to ever fight again at walterweight. The good likely 843 00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:23,840 it is when he does come back, his manager, Rick Murgion has been 844 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,320 saying he wants to get him back in the ring and he's healthy by the 845 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,719 end of the year, but certainly that most likely would be at one hundred 846 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,840 and fifty four pounds. So the main thing here is that Stanionis and Ortiz, 847 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,800 which was a very interesting fight that many of us were super interested in 848 00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:43,199 that probably is not ever going to happen, and Stanionis is free and clear 849 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,039 to go do what he wants to do. But we'll have one on the 850 00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:51,920 other on the outcome of Spence and Crawford and Ortiz. Hopefully he gets better, 851 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,199 heals up, no problems, and comes back strong and goes to junior 852 00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:58,559 middleway. I'm just saying, and I'm playing amateur matchmaker here. Could he 853 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:04,320 be back in the ring quickly, like in August Standingonis against somebody somewhere that's 854 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,360 a that's a picked opponent because he's already in shape, and as you have 855 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,800 aptly pointed out, he hasn't gotten a check in the ring in a year 856 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,480 and a half, So there would be financial reasons to also get in there 857 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:19,079 against somebody because you're not gonna get your hands on the winner of Spence and 858 00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:23,360 Crawford more than likely, until if it even happens a year from now, 859 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,599 probably or at least nine or ten months. You got you gotta look at 860 00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:30,519 somebody, and he's in shape right now, so I think Look, I 861 00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:37,199 think August is unlikely because the schedule for August is pretty much done at this 862 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,880 point for Showtime, which is where he would fight, given that he's a 863 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,480 PBC fighter. I won't say it's not it's not impossible, but look, 864 00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:46,559 that's something that is going to be a conversation that takes place between Thinkel, 865 00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:52,639 the Fighter, Hayman, Showtime, you know, the PBC folks, and 866 00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,719 try to figure out one thing that I think would be very popular among fans. 867 00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,960 I don't It wouldn't be in August obviously, maybe later in the year. 868 00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:04,679 Uh And it was something that was suggested by Boots Ennis Uh in his 869 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,880 interview both in our in our interview that I did with him prior for the 870 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,599 podcast, as well as in the post fight that he had on Showtime with 871 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,800 Jim Gray. When asked about it, you know, he mentioned he wants 872 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,559 the winner of Spanson Crawford. He wants to fight um you know Ugas or 873 00:53:16,679 --> 00:53:20,599 Thurman as he mentioned, but he said I'd fight Stanionis on the heartbeat, 874 00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:23,199 So that would actually settle some things that would be that's not a pay per 875 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:28,119 view, but that's like a big deal Showtime place. You'd have the IBF 876 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,239 interim Welterweight Champion and the w BA or regular champion. Stanion's basically like the 877 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:38,679 two the two of the four mandatories fighting each other because they're not getting the 878 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,519 shot at the big guy, you know, whoever wins, because it's not 879 00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:45,159 there for them yet. So uh, that would be a very interesting fight 880 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:51,800 stanionis against against Boots Ennis, because stanionis unlike Roman Villa, He's he's a 881 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,440 he's has a better he's got the same kind of like he can punch, 882 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,119 and he's got a good chin and all that, but he's a better boxer, 883 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,840 he's a more skilled he has a goodmateur career. I would definitely be 884 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:06,400 down for seeing a Boots Ennis against against Stanionist. Would be a tremendous fight. 885 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,679 Whether the Stanionists camp would take that, I'm pretty sure Ennis would do 886 00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,639 that without a problem. But then it comes down, Okay, how much 887 00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:15,480 can we make and I mean, so, you know, let them go 888 00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:20,719 through the process. But I would suspect that certainly Stanionist, whoever it's going 889 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,800 to be against, we'll see him in the ring before the end of the 890 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:23,639 year. He's not going to go the rest of this year without a fight. 891 00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:27,239 Well that, yeah, that's crazy that I think you could you could 892 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,719 get a fight off again. I'm playing amateur matchmaker and we're moving on. 893 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,280 You could get a fight off here in August, like mid August, work 894 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,599 it out figured out late August, and still fight again late in the year. 895 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,480 Here's the problem, depending on the reason why, the reason why your 896 00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:44,239 your instincts are correct. The problem is TV rules all and there is no 897 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:45,519 spot for him at the moment. They have to make a spot for it 898 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:51,480 because the August fights are basically maybe he's a cold feature against a lesser somebody 899 00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:54,519 on something else they have in late August early September, But I don't know 900 00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:57,800 that would be ideal. Obviously, that would be ideal. Remember he was 901 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,320 going to fight on the Zone, not because he's a the Zone fighter or 902 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,480 with Naturum or Golden Boy. That was going to be on the Zone only 903 00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:07,599 because Golden Boy Promotions, which was the promoter for Ortiz, won the purse 904 00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:12,519 bit. So he's obviously back now with showtime in PBC. Hopefull listen. 905 00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:14,039 At the end of the day, I just want to see the guy get 906 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,840 a chance to fight in and put something else, put another fight in the 907 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,599 ring, and you know, for his sake, you know, make a 908 00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:22,159 paid after fifteen months, a couple of other things, then some nostalgia before 909 00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:25,559 we're done. You have learned speaking of showtime about August the twelfth, we 910 00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:30,639 already know about Anthony Joshua Dillian White Heavyweights on that date, match Room to 911 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:36,000 Zone show showtime also coming on that date. What have you learned for that 912 00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:38,639 date? I've learned that I'm probably going to be ringside because this fight is 913 00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:43,519 going to take place on August twelfth at the MGM National Harbor in Oxen Hill, 914 00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:46,920 Maryland, which is right over the Potomac River into or not the Potomac 915 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:51,800 r but right over the river into from Virginia into Maryland. In other words, 916 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,800 I live like thirty minutes from that casino. It's a very close by, 917 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:58,880 and I've covered in many fights there. But they will put on a 918 00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:04,199 triple header. It's not like a supercard's. It's obviously a little bit budget 919 00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:07,360 conscious, is the way. Let's be nice and call it a budget conscious 920 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:08,880 show. The main event is supposed to be a member because, as you 921 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,199 mentioned earlier, in a way vacated all the ben and White belts and left 922 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,320 all the you know, as he goes up to fight Stephen Fulton at junior 923 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,719 featherweight, that all those four belts had become vacant, some of them had 924 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,920 been filled. One of them will become filled by the main event on August 925 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,800 twelve, and that is between the Nicaraguin fighter Melvin Lopez twenty nine and one 926 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,360 with nineteen knockouts, and he will take on the former IBF titleholder Emmanuel Rodriguez 927 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:35,920 twenty one and two with their team knockouts, so they will square off Rodriguez, 928 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,400 of course, a Puerto Rican fighter. They'll fight for that vacant belt 929 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,400 in the main event. And then you have two other fights on the card 930 00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:44,599 that will feature fighters from the Washington, DC area, so they figured they'll 931 00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:47,119 how bringing some of the fans. One of them is Gary Antoine Russell, 932 00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:52,159 the former United States Olympian undefeated brother of the former featherweight champion Gary Russell Jr. 933 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,840 Who was a tremendous talent. Gary Antoine, he's taking on a reschedule 934 00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,119 fight against Ken Cruise, who was undefeated. That's the kofe uh. You 935 00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:02,920 know, Gary Antoine has been off for a while, over a year by 936 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,679 the time they get in the ring, but he's coming off his biggest win 937 00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,920 against Barthelomy, who we stopped. You know. Look to me, it's 938 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:14,199 not a matter of if if Gary Antoine can win a world title. He's 939 00:57:14,199 --> 00:57:15,760 got all that talent, is is he ever going to get busy and and 940 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:21,920 be more serious in terms of his schedule than his brother was, Because he's 941 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,159 dying on the vine right now. I'm not sure why he's been out for 942 00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:27,840 so long. So that'll be the co feature, and then the other one 943 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,679 is a very interesting welterweight prospect, twenty two year old kid from Capitol Heights, 944 00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:36,119 Maryland, which is also where Gary Russell, Garry Antoine and his family 945 00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:39,000 are from. A guy named treyvon Marshall eight and oh was seven knockouts, 946 00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:43,360 who's looked very impressive and they're being aggressive with him. They're matching up with 947 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,760 Gabriel Maestri who was only five and oh with a draw. But people who 948 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,119 follow boxing know, first of all he's a two time then azuelling Olympian, 949 00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:52,920 so we obviously has the big amateur grenagials. He was forced was the fighter 950 00:57:53,159 --> 00:58:00,440 that got that crazy decision win against Michael Fox that created the ka around the 951 00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:04,360 WBA, which led to them eliminating in their whole horrible robbery. Yes, 952 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,400 but it's still a step up for Marshall. Even though Marshall's got more pro 953 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,920 fights. My estuy is in his mid thirties and has got a vast amateur 954 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,559 experience. So that'll be the opening fight, and we'll see if Trevon Marshall 955 00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:15,760 is for real. A lot of people think he's uh, you know, 956 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,920 one of the top young fighters in boxing. I'll put it to you like 957 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,559 this, if I'm doing my top fifteen prospects list come the you know, 958 00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:25,400 the end of twenty twenty three, there's a pretty good chance the guy like 959 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,360 Trevon Marshall, what he keeps on win, is going to be on that 960 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,639 list. So you got those two undercard fights and the title fight in the 961 00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:34,400 main event. So that's August twelve. They haven't announced yet. I suspect 962 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,639 there'll be announced, you know, in the coming weeks. Okay, one 963 00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:40,400 more little bit of nostalgian it's about to be over with. With the death 964 00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:46,119 of Ken Thompson of Thompson Boxing, they have now announced that he is long 965 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:52,159 running fight series, which you dub the number one fight club series really in 966 00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:55,119 the country for the last couple of decades, will come to an end, 967 00:58:55,519 --> 00:59:00,960 not this weekend, but the following weekend follow up on that as part of 968 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,639 the news. Yeah, that that was just a real disappointing thing when they 969 00:59:02,639 --> 00:59:07,559 announced that on Friday. As you mentioned, Ken Thompson, who had you 970 00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:13,960 know, made multi multi multi millionaire, huge wealthy man from southern California made 971 00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,039 his money and I believe it was in the construction business, in different business 972 00:59:16,239 --> 00:59:19,960 he was involved with. But he was a die hard boxing fan. He 973 00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:24,320 really you know, he nobody wants to lose money and nobody wants to get 974 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:29,639 taken for a ride. But Ken Thompson's involved in boxing from my knowledge, 975 00:59:29,639 --> 00:59:30,639 I mean I had met in any times and know the people that worked with 976 00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:34,000 him. He was not in it to become like, you know, a 977 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,960 big rich promoter. He he made his money doing things. It was super 978 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,840 wealthy, you know, as long as he didn't lose crazy amounts of money. 979 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:43,159 He wanted to support grassroots boxing. He loved boxing, he loved the 980 00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:45,840 fighters, and they did a great club show for twenty three years. Most 981 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,840 of the shows that took place in Corona, California, and also at the 982 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,079 Double Tree Hotel in Ontario, California, and they ran one of the great 983 00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:58,039 club shows ever. I mean, but in modern times anyway, where that 984 00:59:58,159 --> 01:00:01,199 middle class boxing is you know so squeezed. Now you're either at the very 985 01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:04,440 top on that you know, with a big output deal with a network, 986 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,360 or you know you're fighting on on a no TV in a dark cart, 987 01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,880 you know, in the middle of nowhere, for no money. They were 988 01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,920 able to at least eke out in existence in the middle and they and they 989 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,880 developed a lot of fighters in that in that company over the years, most 990 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,800 notably the Hall of Famer Timothy Bradley Junior. He started there and did a 991 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,960 lot of his early fights and you know, even was talked about Ken Thompson 992 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:28,320 in his Hall of Fame speech. They developed Daniel Roman who became a unified 993 01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:31,599 champion in the junior featherweight division. They developed Posa Sea Lopez who's been around 994 01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:35,920 for a long time and fought Canello av SPAFORED titles. They were the promoter 995 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,360 for many years of the current featherweight contender who recently signed with top rank Rubin 996 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:45,880 Villa. The point is they were important to the development and certainly in the 997 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,199 grass roots of boxing, where guys could get regular work and developed their skills 998 01:00:50,199 --> 01:00:52,599 and you know, frankly bringing some good fights because they were never really What 999 01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:57,159 I liked about Thompson Boxing is sure they would maybe try and they didn't want 1000 01:00:57,159 --> 01:01:00,280 to get their guys beating necessarily, but they didn't sign a lot of guys 1001 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,480 two contracts. They would a lot of times on these shows just try to 1002 01:01:02,519 --> 01:01:05,760 make a good fight and if a guy won, then they would use them 1003 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,480 again. And they did that for a long long time. And when Ken 1004 01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:15,880 died in February at age eighty five, it felt like they were going to 1005 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,960 continue. Alex Campanova, who was a great boxing guy, he was the 1006 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,840 general manager of the company and also the matchmaker, said we're gonna go on. 1007 01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:24,519 They didn't. I think they've done one or two shows since then, 1008 01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:28,800 but they put out this surprise announcement at least surprised to me and I think 1009 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,199 many others I've talked to over the weekend that they're gonna end their run July 1010 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:36,000 twenty first with a card at the Double Tree in Ontario, and they're gonna 1011 01:01:36,039 --> 01:01:38,519 cease operations and close up shop. And honestly, it's just a tremendous loss 1012 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,239 for the sport. I know it's not We're not talking about big events like 1013 01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,280 Showtime or PBC or Golden Boy matchum in his Zone cards or Top Rank in 1014 01:01:46,519 --> 01:01:51,039 ESPN, and those are the big ones that we all know, but this 1015 01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,920 was a very important series of events that took place. You had what they 1016 01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:59,360 do on the West Coast. You have got the sort of club shows that 1017 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,519 are done on the East Coast by promoters like Loud Debella with his Broadway Boxing 1018 01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:07,360 or Joe de Guardia with his Star Boxing series of events they put on in 1019 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,079 Long Island. And I could come up with some others that are in the 1020 01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:13,840 country, but what Thompson Boxing did you know? It is a going to 1021 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,119 be a big hole. And I hope there's a promoter somewhere in that southern 1022 01:02:16,199 --> 01:02:21,000 California area where there's so many good fighters and so many great fans that can 1023 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,800 fill the void, frankly, and maybe make a deal with the Double Tree 1024 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:27,320 in Ontario or find a place where they can build up and do the shows 1025 01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:30,440 and put on these good events. And look, they always had a good 1026 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,559 reputation for being honest brokers and for just putting on first class events. And 1027 01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:37,199 like I said, it's a it's a terrible, terrible hit for the sport 1028 01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:43,159 and again that last card will come next weekend, not this coming weekend, 1029 01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:49,519 but the following weekend on July twenty first, with a couple of lesser known 1030 01:02:49,639 --> 01:02:52,960 but contender type fighters on the fringe. Louis Lopez is a welterweight that will 1031 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:57,679 headline in Georgia. Costa, a super featherweight, will be in the co 1032 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,320 feature for Thompson, by saying that again has been at this for twenty three 1033 01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:06,800 years. Speaking of nostalgia, we're kind of a downer here. I know 1034 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:12,679 you want to you want to at least commemorate the passing of Emmanuel Stewart, 1035 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:17,320 Hall of Fame, trainer and and everything that that he represented with all the 1036 01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,239 different fighters, because it would have been his birthday, So say a little 1037 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,119 more about all of that, because I didn't know him real well. Emmanuel 1038 01:03:24,199 --> 01:03:30,320 H was would have been seventy nine years old this past Friday, July seventh. 1039 01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:34,760 He's one of the most revered people in boxing history. I've never met 1040 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,440 anybody that didn't like Emmanuel Stewart. He was known as a great trainer. 1041 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:43,079 He was a great manager obviously for the younger people that are now not so 1042 01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:45,360 young anymore anyway. But he was from many years one of the great voices 1043 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:50,639 on HBO as a commentator, just a just a great, great guy. 1044 01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:52,840 He was like I always joking them. I referred to him as like the 1045 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,119 Pied Piper of boxing, because I couldn't tell you how many events that I 1046 01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:59,039 would be with that Emmanuel or would be like making, you know, a 1047 01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:01,760 conversation or having a meal together or something like that. And no matter where 1048 01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,880 you went with the guy boxing, fans would follow him. I mean he 1049 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,440 would suddenly there be three people, then ten people, then twenty people, 1050 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,119 then fifty people. And here's the thing about Emmanuel. I never saw him 1051 01:04:12,159 --> 01:04:15,480 one time not being a good mood to talk about boxing. If there was 1052 01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:19,000 fans to take the picture, to take sign the autograph, just hey, 1053 01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:23,079 you know, you know I love you know the Tommy Earns is my favorite. 1054 01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:25,880 Kronk Jim. You talk about the old fighters, you know, obviously 1055 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,480 he trained some of the greats of all time, whether it's Tommy Earns, 1056 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,760 Lennox Lewis, of Vladimir Klitchko. We can go on and on. And 1057 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,199 the thing about Emmanuel that made him so great was he could either a take 1058 01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:38,840 a guy from O and O and build him into something he could bring on 1059 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,599 a be brought on later in a career of a fighter that was already made. 1060 01:04:42,639 --> 01:04:45,679 Guy like when he did with Lannox, or with Klitchko, or with 1061 01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:49,840 Oscar dale Oya, guys like that. And he could also you know, 1062 01:04:50,199 --> 01:04:55,960 when he was with you, he could adapt to you. You would adapt 1063 01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:59,599 him. He could just just make you into a better fighter. He was 1064 01:04:59,719 --> 01:05:02,400 part psychologist, he was part x's and oh's, he was part conditioning. 1065 01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,199 He was a joy to be around. And anyway, when I saw that, 1066 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:11,480 when I realized that it was his birthday, I figured, you know 1067 01:05:11,519 --> 01:05:15,079 what better thing. There's not a lot of other anniversaries to talk about, 1068 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:16,480 but that was a pretty big one. His birth was a big deal. 1069 01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:18,960 And you know, I love the guy. I got to know him very 1070 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,519 well. I considered I'm a friend of mine. He to this day remains 1071 01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:26,440 the only trainer that ever cooked me dinner. As I joked, yes, 1072 01:05:26,679 --> 01:05:28,920 yeah, this. Just to make that real quick, I visited a Lenox 1073 01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,960 Louis his training camp up in the Pocono Mountains in Pennsylvania, about a two 1074 01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,679 and a half hour drive from where I live in Virginia. He was in 1075 01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:38,760 this training camp for the Mike Tyson fight, and I swear to god, 1076 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,400 Emmanuel probably had been there for like six or seven weeks and really hadn't seen 1077 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,920 anybody outside of the immedia camp. So when I got there, it was 1078 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,039 like a fresh face. He was so thrilled to see somebody different than the 1079 01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:51,239 same folks he saw every single day. I had gone up to interview Lennox 1080 01:05:51,239 --> 01:05:55,119 and to do some stuff ahead of the Tyson fight, and I stayed overnight. 1081 01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,320 You know, I had my They were like at the Brookdale Resort in 1082 01:05:58,599 --> 01:06:01,239 Caesar's Brookdale, and I had my own like room, like his cabin or 1083 01:06:01,239 --> 01:06:04,320 whatever. But Emanuel had almost like an apartment in the woods, basically, 1084 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:08,800 like this rustic sort of cabin where he was living on their property. And 1085 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,800 he's like, you know, come on, Dan, come over to my 1086 01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,239 cabin and I'm gonna make it dinner. We're gonna we're gonna talk boxing. 1087 01:06:13,519 --> 01:06:16,400 And uh, I went over. You remember what he made? He made 1088 01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,320 some kind of chicken. Wow. And then you'll listen he cooked for all 1089 01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,559 the fighters. I mean he chicken, vegetables. You know, he would 1090 01:06:23,559 --> 01:06:25,880 have fruit, he would have he just he did it all. He would 1091 01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,480 have like the shaken bake. I mean, so I always remember so wet 1092 01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,159 dinner and we're talking boxing and he bust out the old this isn't whatever year 1093 01:06:32,159 --> 01:06:36,679 that fight, what the fight year was that fight? So he this is 1094 01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:43,159 not everybody was using there was no streaming, not everybody was watching DVDs at 1095 01:06:43,159 --> 01:06:47,039 the time. Emmanuel had a VCR vhs go look it up, youngsters. 1096 01:06:47,719 --> 01:06:50,880 Anyway, he had videos with him from his collection, and he busted out 1097 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:56,719 a video and we watched the video, and on that video was amateur fights 1098 01:06:56,719 --> 01:06:59,920 of Thomas Hearns, you know, when he was in the Olympic trial, 1099 01:07:00,519 --> 01:07:02,480 and we watched some of that stuff and it was just you know, I 1100 01:07:02,679 --> 01:07:05,280 I just have great memories. And I loved Emmanuel Stewart. I mean, 1101 01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:09,840 I know everybody that knew him loved him, and you know his He should 1102 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,480 be remembered forever. He's another great legend. And what you were talking about 1103 01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:15,800 with Thompson boxing, remember this was a time frame in the late seventies and 1104 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:19,239 the early eighties when fighters did not make very much money at the local club 1105 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:25,480 level, and he had a tremendous deep stable of fighters out of that Cronk 1106 01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:30,199 gym, numerous ones of them either a challenged and or won a world title 1107 01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:34,239 in and around helmer kenty And you know, he worked with Gerald McClellan, 1108 01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:38,239 and he worked as I mentioned, Oscar Deloy, He worked with Oliver McCall 1109 01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:43,000 the then he switched to Lennox Lewis, and then he was with Vander Holyfield. 1110 01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:46,639 I mean tons of fighters through the years at the Crunk Gym, which 1111 01:07:46,679 --> 01:07:49,760 is you know, you know, and the ones that carried that on in 1112 01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,840 his name. You know, one of his disciples Jonathan Banks, who became 1113 01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,280 a you know, who was a you know, like a second tier sort 1114 01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,320 of heavy weeke contender. But now he's been training fighters for a number of 1115 01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,360 years. His nephew sugar Hill Steward, who obviously is well known now as 1116 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:09,639 the trainer for Tyson Fury and others. So the Cronk line lives on. 1117 01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:14,840 I think the last fighter that's still active that worked with Manuel I don't I 1118 01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,359 don't know if he's the only one that's left, but certainly one of the 1119 01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:18,720 more prominent ones, and you know he's coming towards the end also, and 1120 01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:24,960 that was Tony Harrison, the former Junior mid aweight title holder. You know, 1121 01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:27,760 So yeah, I say Happy birthday to my man Emmanuel Stewart, one 1122 01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,520 of the one of my one of my dear friends. One more piece of 1123 01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,079 nostalgia. And we could go on for half an hour about this. And 1124 01:08:33,119 --> 01:08:36,680 we have talked in the past on the podcast about bo Gelatta one and the 1125 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:42,920 Mayhem the Riot after Galata got disqualified in a fight, that we should not 1126 01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:47,279 forget that he was winning. He was winning decisively and had and had Riddick 1127 01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:51,439 bow in trouble on a couple of occasions, but kept hitting him low and 1128 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:58,239 just could not, for whatever reasons plural keep it clean. Kept hitting him 1129 01:08:58,279 --> 01:09:01,119 low repeatedly, and eventually, after being worn and having points taken away, 1130 01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:05,119 hit him low one more time and got DQ and then Mayhem in the ring. 1131 01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:11,359 On July eleventh, nineteen ninety six, speaking of VHS, I taped 1132 01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:14,399 that fight on VHS. I believe I've told this before, and I passed 1133 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,000 that thing around like the offering plate on a church. I mean, I 1134 01:09:17,039 --> 01:09:21,640 had like half a dozen people that wanted to see and watch the Mayhem the 1135 01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:29,680 Riot afterwards, because it was ten or fifteen minutes of chaos after that fight. 1136 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,079 Dan So one more time regroup on the nostalgia especially the riot and just 1137 01:09:33,119 --> 01:09:36,159 one of the craziest things in boxing, and Riddick bow was involved in two 1138 01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:39,800 of them. One was the riot obviously after this fight, and then you 1139 01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:44,520 go back a few years before that when you had a man parachute into the 1140 01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,640 ring during his rematch against Evander Holyfield. So he was part of the fan 1141 01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:48,800 Man and part of the right of the Garden. Obviously the ride of the 1142 01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:53,119 Garden was more dangerous in the end result because there was people injured and you 1143 01:09:53,159 --> 01:09:56,279 had a free for all, you know, in a major Natropolitan arena with 1144 01:09:56,319 --> 01:10:00,319 tens off and let me inter jack, he had a a corner person, 1145 01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:08,680 Hinchman friend whoever, who was involved in both of those situations with his walkie 1146 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,720 talkie phone or whatever, who comes over to fan Man in nineteen ninety three 1147 01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,640 in Vegas and bashes him on his helmet. And he's the same guy coming 1148 01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:20,439 across the ring in nineteen ninety six to get to Galata first. So that 1149 01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,960 was the action too. About that, I mean Riddick bo was, I 1150 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:30,000 mean going into the fight, He's coming off of the knockout in Fighting number 1151 01:10:30,039 --> 01:10:33,479 three against Vander Holyfield. And even though when holy Fieldman both fought each other 1152 01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,039 the third time, neither one of them had a world title belt. They 1153 01:10:36,039 --> 01:10:40,680 were still consider if that was politically motivated in that sense, but a lot 1154 01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,960 of people, most people considered them to be the number one and number two 1155 01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,359 heavyweights in the world. And so when Riddick Bo beat Holyfield buy a knockout 1156 01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:49,439 in a tremendous battle, an underrated fight, I mean, their trilogy is 1157 01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:53,800 phenomenal. All three of the fights were epic. The third one was as 1158 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,520 violent and brutal as any of them. But Riddick Bo came out of that 1159 01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,520 fight, Okay, he's the number one heavyweight in the world. It's always 1160 01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,640 coming back into the ring, you know. About eight months later, the 1161 01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:05,880 match him with Glatta and a little known contender from Poland who had been in 1162 01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:10,920 the Olympics, but not with a big reputation. And it's supposed to be 1163 01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,600 an easy night, and it wasn't an easy night. I mean, and 1164 01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,760 Rick Bow obviously he showed the degradation from what it had occurred in those battles 1165 01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,520 with Holyfield and the rest of his career. And Glatta was, you know, 1166 01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,840 on point that night, except he couldn't keep the punches up and he 1167 01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:26,760 gave him an absolute beating, and he ended up winning the fight by the 1168 01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:30,199 you know, Bow did by the disqualification, and they obviously the crazy thing 1169 01:11:30,199 --> 01:11:32,920 about it was and when they had the rematch, you know, at the 1170 01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,279 end of that at the end of nineteen ninety six, like five months later, 1171 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:40,279 he Bow won again by disqualification. That was pretty much the end of 1172 01:11:40,319 --> 01:11:43,479 Bow because after that fight he retired and didn't fight for it like another eight 1173 01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,199 years, and they had a very brief comeback where he dallied and had a 1174 01:11:45,239 --> 01:11:48,000 couple of two three fights. I dare say, can I just throw this 1175 01:11:48,119 --> 01:11:54,119 out there. You're not gonna find another sequence of back to back fights where 1176 01:11:54,199 --> 01:12:00,439 the fighter who was dominating the fight got disqualified in both fights the same way. 1177 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,479 I challenge anybody, you're the mighty one. I challenge anybody to find 1178 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:09,479 something else in a in a situation where it's a rematch where the guy that's 1179 01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:13,720 dominating in both of the fights gets dcute the same way with low blows. 1180 01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,239 And that's what happened with both of us, especially that name value of the 1181 01:12:17,319 --> 01:12:19,239 ridic Po had. I mean, it was just absolutely nuts, and I 1182 01:12:19,279 --> 01:12:23,159 mean I'm like everybody else that was watching. I mean, at that time, 1183 01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,680 you know, I'm in I'm in uh you know, uh, like 1184 01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,840 the normal boxing fan. I'm watching it on HBO, and suddenly there's a 1185 01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:32,760 right, you know, my man Jim Lampley suddenly is running up in the 1186 01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,760 rafters and reporting from up top, and they're showing the scenes and George Formers 1187 01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,119 trying to keep people out of the ring, and they're showing Lou Duva, 1188 01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:44,319 who's there being dragged out on a on a on a gurney because he had 1189 01:12:44,359 --> 01:12:45,159 some kind of heart issue because he had, you know, been in the 1190 01:12:45,239 --> 01:12:48,239 ring obviously as one of the co trainers of Galata, and they were worried 1191 01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:50,920 for his health. And meanwhile the chaos is happening. And as as I 1192 01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,560 stole to this day and many of us joke around if you watched the video, 1193 01:12:55,319 --> 01:12:59,600 because that was a main events card they were involved with with Andrew Galata, 1194 01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:01,880 so they were one of the promoters of the event. Karl Moretti, 1195 01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,279 who we all know now is one of the top people at Top Rank, 1196 01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:10,680 their vice president of boxing, but at the time he was the matchmaker and 1197 01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,079 the top guy at main events, and he's in the ring trying to help 1198 01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:16,000 scp rate stuff and but he suddenly gets dragged into it, and if you 1199 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,000 watch the replay, you see him throw a weak right hand at somebody and 1200 01:13:19,119 --> 01:13:25,279 uh, we we've many of us have taken the screenshot of Karl's pathetic attempt 1201 01:13:25,359 --> 01:13:30,079 to drow and mocked him mercifull. One thing that did come out of that 1202 01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,720 is more and more this became a big issue in the eighties and into the 1203 01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:41,039 nineties of keep all of the hangers on and all of the entourage people and 1204 01:13:41,119 --> 01:13:44,479 people that don't belong in the ring out of the ring with security. And 1205 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,600 that was that was the culprit from it. That was where guard is the 1206 01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,880 problem with the fight was over and people who were What I'm saying is the 1207 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:56,439 problem is lack of enough security force. There was no New York for you 1208 01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,640 would go back and watch all of this and all the analysis of all of 1209 01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,119 it. The YPD readily admits we were not invited there, They were not 1210 01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:06,319 paying for our officers to be there. And so this was garden private security 1211 01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:09,960 that did not get up on the ring apron to stop people from getting in 1212 01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:14,399 the ring. And so now suddenly you have thirty or forty people literally in 1213 01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,760 the ring trying to fight each other with four or five peacemakers who are completely 1214 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:21,640 overwhelmed number it broke out into the rest of the ring. Of course, 1215 01:14:24,279 --> 01:14:28,800 night you had you had a Black fighter against a Polish fighting. Course I'm 1216 01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,199 saying is before the right they began to learn and evolve, get up on 1217 01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:35,640 the ring apron with a show of security force immediately to keep people out of 1218 01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:39,199 the ring at the end of these fights. And now you regularly see that 1219 01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:43,000 everywhere at the biggest fights of keep people out of the ring. I mean, 1220 01:14:43,039 --> 01:14:46,840 I still I still remember after the chaos of a couple of the you 1221 01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,119 know, like the Tyson knockout of Michael Spinks, they can't get the ring 1222 01:14:50,199 --> 01:14:55,960 cleared and Michael Buffer makes like two different announcements, please clear the ring, 1223 01:14:56,039 --> 01:14:59,000 people, please clear the ring. Because they don't have enough personnel to get 1224 01:14:59,039 --> 01:15:01,399 people out of the ring. It became a joke. And it was part 1225 01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:05,359 of this that they could not get it under control because there were too many 1226 01:15:06,079 --> 01:15:12,039 crazy, hyped up lunatic people in the ring fighting with each other. So 1227 01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,960 security has changed over the last two or three decades to keep people out of 1228 01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:21,520 the ring, show of force, security guards, cops, whomever. People 1229 01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:25,680 in the ring you And I've said this, I think in previous time. 1230 01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:30,279 I was ringside for Zab Juda versus Floyd Mayweather YEA and two six at the 1231 01:15:30,319 --> 01:15:32,760 Thomas and Mack Center, and when they had their near riot that because all 1232 01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:38,880 those nonsense that went on when you know, Zab hit Floyd low and there 1233 01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,319 was a confrontation when Roger Mayweather got into the ring to complain, and then 1234 01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,680 Uel Judo got in the ring and it was like a free fraw. What 1235 01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:49,000 prevented that from becoming much worse than it could have been was because security, 1236 01:15:49,359 --> 01:15:53,159 armed police officers got up on the ring ape and immediately, and I've said 1237 01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:55,680 this before, I'll never forget this as long as I live, because I 1238 01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,760 was scared. For a quick minute. I looked to my left and there 1239 01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,000 was a guy trying to be line into the ring who had no business being 1240 01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,680 in the ring, and the cop that was there, we were sitting sort 1241 01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,439 of like to the left of the stairs, very close to the ring, 1242 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:11,720 and the cop looked at the guy and he tapped his weapon on his side 1243 01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,399 arm, you know, on his holder, and the guy didn't get in 1244 01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:15,800 the ring, and I was like, thank god that and so they quelled 1245 01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,600 that pretty quickly. But the thing at the garden. I would encourage anybody 1246 01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:23,159 that that doesn't know the details, or doesn't really remember it or never saw 1247 01:16:23,159 --> 01:16:27,359 it, is go on YouTube and find you can find the live coverage, 1248 01:16:27,239 --> 01:16:30,119 the podcast, or better yet, get the full story. Watched the HBO 1249 01:16:30,199 --> 01:16:34,640 Legendary Nights half hour doc on Bogolata and it will explain a lot of what 1250 01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:38,399 occurred. But listen that the fact that that's that long ago is wild. 1251 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,239 Thankfully, there's never been anything like that since that I can think of to 1252 01:16:41,359 --> 01:16:45,199 that level. But that was a huge that that was one of those unfortunate 1253 01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:48,880 stories that went off of the sports pages and just unboxing and became a front 1254 01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:55,520 page headline on national news around the world because it involved the superstar heavyweight. 1255 01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,359 It was Madison Square Garden, it was New York City, and it was 1256 01:16:58,399 --> 01:17:03,319 extremely violent rate stuff on this show. As always, there's some nostalgia you 1257 01:17:03,399 --> 01:17:05,960 heard from No Nito Darnair. You got fight recaps, you got all of 1258 01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:10,760 it. Make sure you're following or subscribing here to the Big Fight Weekend podcast 1259 01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,880 feed. 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