WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.839 It's time for Coffee and Company. Fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety. 2 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:11.839 Holy crap, I don't know who the hell we think when we are 3 00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:16.320 general off our show. Idiot, the kids are crying or turn at their 4 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:19.920 countries are screwing it up. Gold Play Inner Murals, Brother, gold Play 5 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:23.960 inter Murals. They're supposed to be mature adults, but they're really not. 6 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:28.519 Who's the kid here? Who's the kid here? Are you kidding me? 7 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:41.960 Now? Here's Nick Coffee. All right, ladies and gentlemen, let's do 8 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:46.159 this. Welcome in Happy Derby Week. Everybody a Monday edition. Here Coffee 9 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:49.880 and Company. Fueled by Thornton's on at Sports Talk seven ninety. My name 10 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:53.079 is Nick Coffee. The company man. Mister John Dawldon alongside said hey John, 11 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:56.880 Happy Derby Week. Happy Derby Week to you. Are you feeling any 12 00:00:56.920 --> 00:00:59.079 Derby vibes? You can be honest. You don't have to just say yeah 13 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:00.479 because you feel like maybe that That's what I'm asking you to say. But 14 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:03.880 you know so, I mean, I like the Derby, I like what 15 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.079 it does for the city of Louisville, but I think being around it my 16 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:11.239 entire life, I feel like the vibes for me surrounding Derby may not be 17 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:15.640 as as exciting as some people's. Yeah, I'm look, I'm the same 18 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:18.920 way. I love everything that comes with Derby around here, and I've talked 19 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:22.680 about it recently, you know, as we were getting closer and closer to 20 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:26.680 Derby Week and now we're here. But you know, I I stopped years 21 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:30.920 ago trying to, you know, figure out if I needed to really learn 22 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:34.799 a lot about the sport of horse racing. And I'll be honest with you, 23 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:38.879 me not having any interest in it made it to where I really didn't 24 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:44.120 dedicate any time to learning because it's just not my thing. And I'm not 25 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:48.079 sure if this is an unpopular opinion or if people think it's, you know, 26 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:51.280 one of the dumbest things I've ever said. Stick around. We got 27 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:53.439 three hours. I'm gonna say a lot of dumb things today, I'm sure, 28 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:57.439 but I think, you know, for my I grew up in Louisville, 29 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:00.280 Kentucky, Barren raised my whole life, and obviously, as a young 30 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:04.120 kid, you realize how big of a deal it is that we have the 31 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:08.080 Kentucky Derby here in Churchill Downs and and that's always been great. But like 32 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:12.400 the sport of horse racing, right, like the actual sport of it, 33 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:15.319 take away the event that is, you know, one of the biggest events 34 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:19.039 in sports across the planet every year. You know, I just it's never 35 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:22.000 It's not something I feel like I was exposed to a lot. Wasn't around 36 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:23.360 it right to me. So for me as a kid, I was, 37 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:28.560 you know, going to derby parties and occasionally we would go to the track, 38 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:31.520 whether it be a field trip or I remember the yearly tradition for us 39 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:36.159 to go to Churchill Downs was we would go on Father's Day. And then 40 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:38.240 as I got older, you know, I kind of became an adult and 41 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:39.439 did my own thing. I wasn't just going with my parents, you know, 42 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:42.919 I would occasionally go for night racing that kind of stuff. And then 43 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:46.560 obviously now in my career I work derby and whatnot. But thankfully it's not 44 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:52.000 about it. You know, they don't task me with interviewing any trainers or 45 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:53.800 jockeys or anything like that, just because you know it's I wouldn't be good 46 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:55.719 at it. I mean I could, I mean I could probably get through 47 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:59.520 it, and I would prepare to make sure I don't completely bomb and make 48 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:00.879 a fool of mine. But it's just, you know, I love Derby, 49 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:05.039 but I would be a fake and a phony if I told you that 50 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:07.080 I really love horse racing. I don't hate it, but like it's just 51 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:12.000 not something that I'm all that interested in. So if I if I dedicated 52 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:15.639 this week to like acting like I know anything about horse racing or really acting 53 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:20.319 like I care a whole lot, I'd be a fraud. So for years 54 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:23.599 I've been pretty consistent about how you know, on my show, rather it 55 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:28.319 be this one that you know has now been This is our second Derby together 56 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:30.479 John, but previously, you know I was on middays, I was on 57 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:34.879 mornings. I mean I've been with this station on three different day parts for 58 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:38.479 eight years now, so this is not my first rodeo. But what I 59 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:40.919 like to do is mix in some things that maybe you know of interest to 60 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:46.960 folks. But again it's not actually breaking down the sport and really the race. 61 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:47.919 I mean, we'll talk about some of the horses throughout the week, 62 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:52.080 but one thing we've done for years now, we're gonna do it this week 63 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:55.439 too. We're gonna lean on the one and the only mister Jody Dimmling because 64 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:00.400 he is somebody that knows a lot about the sport's spurt. In fact, 65 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:05.039 you know, not only do you guys see Jody's work year round at Cardinalthorty 66 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:11.680 dot com, but he also has done stuff for CBS Sports covering horse racing. 67 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:13.719 I mean, I think one of the local news stations here in town 68 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:16.600 they hire him every year to be a part of their coverage because it's what 69 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:20.199 he does, it's his lane, and because he no longer works for us 70 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:25.240 anymore. I mean, he used to have every job I think in broadcasting 71 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:29.319 in this city, but now he's only he's really a contract employee for us 72 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:33.079 during Derby, So he does a profile of each Derby horse throughout the you 73 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:36.759 know, throughout the week, and we'll play a handful of those each day 74 00:04:36.879 --> 00:04:41.040 to get you set and you'll learn. I mean, I think they're perfect. 75 00:04:41.079 --> 00:04:43.959 And I'm not just saying that because you know, I'm gassing up my 76 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.639 man, Jody di Demmling. But if you're somebody like myself that wants to 77 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:49.360 know a little bit of information before you were to maybe pick a horse, 78 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:54.600 I mean it's perfect because it's not like you know, it's not as if 79 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:57.720 it's a twenty minute interview with the owner and trainer, which maybe you guys 80 00:04:57.720 --> 00:04:59.519 are into that kind of thing, and if so, that's cool, no 81 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:03.079 judgment, that's just not me. But they're about two minutes long and it 82 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:05.639 just gives you what you need to know, how the horse maybe got his 83 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:09.879 name, the history of the owner, trainer, that kind of stuff. 84 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:13.639 So we will mix those in and then, you know, some other things 85 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:15.560 I like to do each time we get to Derby week on the show, 86 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:21.519 take a look at the Barnstable Brown Party that happens every year. There's a 87 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:25.000 lot of Derby parties, by the way, I think each year there seems 88 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:28.439 to be more and more, and they seem to have some celebrities. But 89 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:31.879 the big one is the Barnstable Brown Derby Eve Gala, and we now have 90 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:36.240 the list of celebrities and attendance. I like to run through that list, 91 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:42.279 and it's actually fun with John because there are some people on here that neither 92 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:44.000 of us are gonna know, and we're gonna have to, you know, 93 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:46.879 take a guess and then google and figure out who it is. And there'll 94 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:49.040 be some people that I don't know, maybe John does, and then I'm 95 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:53.279 quite sure, there's gonna be some that I know that John doesn't know, 96 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:56.319 just because he's a little bit younger than me. So you know, that's 97 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:59.759 that's your Derby fix that you're gonna get from us here, unless John decides 98 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:04.000 he, you know, just become the horse racing correspondent for Coffee and Company. 99 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:06.319 And I feel like if he wanted to do that, he probably would 100 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:10.560 have let me know before today. Is that safe to say? Absolutely? 101 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:13.439 Maybe Moose can be it though, and he's still into horse racing, man, 102 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:15.680 he is in love with it. I'm taking him tomorrow morning to the 103 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:19.920 backside and you know he'll get a chance to see what everybody else can see. 104 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:23.600 But you know, for him it'll be like being in heaven. And 105 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:26.720 I don't know where he got it from, don't I can't really explain it. 106 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:29.680 And it's not become an issue for me yet, but at some point 107 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:34.160 I may have to get a little bit more educated on the sport because my 108 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:40.519 three year old son is not just like a fan like thinks it's cool that 109 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:44.480 I mean, he is obsessed with horse racing. We went to Churchill Downs 110 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:48.279 on Saturday for opening Night, and I have some thoughts about the the updates 111 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:53.519 there at Churchill Downs. I'm not teasing that as if I'm gonna need I'm 112 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:55.800 gonna need some more time so I can really you know, be critical. 113 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:58.079 I mean, obviously, yes, things are very expensive. It's Derby Week, 114 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:01.480 there's no surprise. But I just think there's something that Churchill Down's clearly 115 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:08.319 learned through the pandemic, and I do believe it has really changed their approach 116 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:12.759 for who they're catering to, what their goal is when they open up their 117 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:15.319 doors, not just Derby Week, but really you know, three sixty five. 118 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:21.079 And does it make it a little bit less enjoyable for locals who have 119 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:25.560 always, I guess, had their day each year, had their you know, 120 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:28.160 things they like about the track. Yeah, it's probably not as convenient 121 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:30.120 for them. But if I was Churchill I'd probably do the same thing too. 122 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:30.720 So again we can get to that later on. But yes, my 123 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:34.680 son he's obsessed. You know, I'm sure a lot of you parents out 124 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:38.959 there that have toddlers, you know, it's probably not good for our kids, 125 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.439 but tablets, right, you know, if they won't shut the hell 126 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:43.879 up, give them a tablet a kid, But you know what I mean, 127 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:47.600 And it keeps them busy. And sometimes honestly, there's like educational stuff 128 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:50.439 too, so it's not just you know, to to watch whatever and rock 129 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:54.920 their brain with this screen in front of their face. But if my son 130 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:58.120 has his iPad when he's laying down to go to bed, or he's got 131 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:03.279 it in the car, and when I'm driving, he's watching old horse races, 132 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:07.720 like you know, he YouTube. Thankfully, they they've got you know, 133 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:11.160 you can they if you're if you watch two of something, obviously it's 134 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:15.040 just gonna rep it's gonna automatically play something next that is something similar, right, 135 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:20.240 And like there's countless amounts of horse races from years we're talking, you 136 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:22.240 know, Derby, you know, any other, any other race. But 137 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:28.120 there's one race in particular, I think it might be like the nineteen ninety 138 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:31.679 nine Preakness, and he watches it probably thirty times a day. He's obsessed 139 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:35.200 with it. So we get to the track this is when we went last 140 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:39.519 year, and we're walking in and he's excited, and I mean at that 141 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.200 time he's two, and you know, he says, Daddy, is this 142 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.399 the Prignas? And I said, nobody, that's that's a different one. 143 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:48.279 And there was a you know, not a group, but you know, 144 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:50.600 three or four guys ahead of us did look like they were into horse racing, 145 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:52.480 right, looked like they were, you know, it was kind of 146 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:56.519 their thing. And they turned around and they were very taken aback by the 147 00:08:56.519 --> 00:09:00.279 fact that a two year old, like what did he do? Say? 148 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:01.879 He said, yeah, he said the Preakness. He's a big horse racing 149 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:03.519 fan. How does he know what the pregnance is? And I was like, 150 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:07.240 if I could even say anything, Moose is yelling at him, telling 151 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:09.679 him that he watches it and I don't. I can't remember the name of 152 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.519 the winner, but you know, he'd rattle that off too, so eventually, 153 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:15.960 like, you know, if it's something he's really passionate about when he 154 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:18.279 gets older, and I'm you know, still somebody that knows nothing that I'm 155 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:22.519 gonna probably, you know, because I don't want that'll be the ultimate fomo 156 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.399 fear of missing out on something that I could really enjoy with my son. 157 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:31.519 So again, Happy Derby Week everybody. Hopefully you guys had yourselves a good 158 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:33.759 weekend. We have a lot to react to. We always say that on 159 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:37.480 Mondays and it's always true on Mondays, but today it's really true, because 160 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.039 I mean, where do we start. The NFL draft concluded pretty pretty uneventful 161 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:46.360 draft, I would say, I mean just my opinion. I mean, 162 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:50.519 I didn't feel like there was any really crazy stories in the Shenanigan's but we 163 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:52.840 can certainly react to where the local guys went, and there's a lot of 164 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:56.480 other things. But I guess we just dive right in here because Jaden Quainton's 165 00:09:56.480 --> 00:09:58.000 has made his decision. For those of you that have not been keeping up 166 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:03.000 with the lake atest, I think it was at about noon today. It 167 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:07.360 was broke by Adrian Wolje Narowski. The I mean, he's he's Woch, 168 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:11.600 He's mister NBA newsbreaker. But then every now and then he's one of those 169 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:16.720 guys that will just break some news, some exclusive scoop that he's got that 170 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.000 really pertains to nothing involved in his lane, but he just wants to flex 171 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:22.600 and like you go, Yues, I think I only break NBA free agency 172 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:24.840 news. Now. He had the Dusty Main news, didn't he in Michigan. 173 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:31.080 Yeah, So what I've learned, John, is that Dusty May and 174 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:33.679 some of these some of these players even like high school players that are being 175 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:39.000 recruited or transfers. Woj has the same agents as as Okay, so there's 176 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:43.639 a big time agency. I believe it's C double A and you know they 177 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.159 all kind of work together. So you know, if they're going to give 178 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:48.440 out some scoop to break, they're gonna give it to their main woach. 179 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.000 But I remember that, Yeah, it was Woj who actually and believe it 180 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:56.240 or not, the one person that gives me any info, especially during that 181 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:00.720 time when Louis was going through the coaching search. You know, I don't 182 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:03.399 have many people, but I had one, you know, one person that 183 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:05.120 was giving me good info. Really at that point, like as soon as 184 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:09.000 things had kind of as soon as it was quite clear they were going all 185 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:11.240 in on Dusty May, and people were talking that like they may not know, 186 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:13.799 but Dusty May he's not told him no, but he doesn't want the 187 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:18.919 job. That person who's you know, been good to me. There could 188 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:22.440 they their direct connection as WOJ, which I don't even know how the hell 189 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:24.360 they would know each other, don't know it, but hey, that's a 190 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.080 pretty good get, right If you can reach out to Woj, i'd say 191 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:31.279 you're you're doing something special. So anyways, he broke the news that Jadan 192 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:35.519 Quaintans has decided to go to Arizona State following a recent visit. And look, 193 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:39.440 let's just let's just get this out of the way, because this is 194 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:41.000 how it's done. When you go after recruit and you don't get him, 195 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.919 you take the l Louisville wanted Jadan Quaintance in a major way. They had 196 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:52.679 a very generous nil situation for him. I think he genuinely liked his visit. 197 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:56.960 I think he genuinely liked Coach Kelsey. And when I say he, 198 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:00.519 I gotta be honest with you, I'm not really talking about the kid he 199 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:03.679 might have. But this was this recruitment was entirely done by people that are 200 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:07.879 advising him, you know, his father, I mean, and his father 201 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.600 should be somebody that advises his sixteen year old son, right, But I 202 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:16.120 mean, this was all about an arrangement. Like I don't even think he 203 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:18.960 decided where he was going to visit. I can't prove that, but there 204 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.360 were a couple of quotes from him, specifically that I've referenced during his recruitment, 205 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:26.200 and I remember we talked about it, John, like he didn't really 206 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.080 know where he was going next. When they were asking about his visits because 207 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:31.879 he's not the one arranging it. It's probably his father, his agent, 208 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:33.440 And a part of me says, that's kind of sad, but it really 209 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:39.279 isn't nowadays you know this Look, this is all transactional. This is now 210 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.279 a business to where if it was me, you know, I would want 211 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:45.720 somebody advising me if I was that young. I mean, I would want 212 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:46.279 to have influence. I would want to be able to say, hey, 213 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:50.159 I really like this coach, I really like this style of offense. But 214 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:54.320 you know, you know, you should have people that you can trust by 215 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:56.639 your side that are helping you through that. And I would assume this young 216 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:01.720 man's father is trustworthy and at least, you know, cares about his son. 217 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:03.720 Now the other people, you know, I don't know. Hopefully your 218 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:07.639 agent is somebody that you can rely on and trust and they're looking out for 219 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:09.759 you, not just looking out for ways to fill their pockets. Which there's 220 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.039 actually a really good example of that that we're going to get to coming up 221 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.440 before too long. And that is the latest on Penny Boone. But back 222 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:20.600 to Jaden Quaint's he goes to Arizona State and it came out last week when 223 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:28.279 he was considering Memphis and then Memphis visit got canceled, if you remember, 224 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:35.759 And in the interview with the Memphis Commercial Appeal his father Hamon Quaintance, this 225 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:39.039 was his quote, we're looking for a situation where we can go in and 226 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:43.159 start. It's not a lot of coaches that can get the best out of 227 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.000 these young players. Penny has had young players. He probably had one of 228 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:50.000 the youngest teams in the country a couple of years ago. There's not a 229 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:56.720 lot of guys that feel comfortable playing younger players. Let's see. He let 230 00:13:56.759 --> 00:14:01.200 me find the rest of it. Yeah, and he goes on to say, 231 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:03.000 you know, there's not a lot of guys to feel comfortable playing young 232 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:07.080 players and developing young players. So that really is a nothing burger, right 233 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:09.799 as far as like, that's not really an update in his recruitment and he's 234 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:11.480 talking about Penny Hardway, which who cares. But the beginning of that was 235 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:15.440 this, they were looking for a place where they can go in and get 236 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:22.159 a guaranteed starter spot. And that happens like that's I mean, Kentucky fans 237 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:24.120 may acknowledge this now and maybe they did, and just you know, you 238 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:28.679 never heard from him. But there were certainly some guys that played for John 239 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:31.039 Cali Perry as freshmen that you know there was a guarantee they would start, 240 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:35.519 because if there wasn't, there's no reason they'd still be starting. Who's the 241 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:39.639 kid that went pro for them this past year? John the freshman? It 242 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:41.039 was the guy who never played a minute? Is all you're talking about those 243 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.480 a couple years? Yeah, yeah, No, Justin Edwards is that his 244 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:46.360 name? Yeah, Justin Edwards. I mean, I'm just gonna use him 245 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:52.000 him as an example. I absolutely believe that Justin Edwards was given a guarantee 246 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.279 that he would start because he was maybe the tenth best player on that team 247 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:58.399 at best, and he started I think every game but like two, and 248 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:01.360 it's got to be because there was some level arrangement, you know, and 249 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:07.879 we'll never know. I mean, some say Cow didn't start Dillingham and Shepherd 250 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:11.480 because you know, he was just stubborn and wanted to be able to tell 251 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:13.759 you that they didn't have to start, and if he could win, he'd 252 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:15.759 be able to stick in your face and say, see I told you. 253 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:18.919 And you know when Reed Shepherd getting Dillingham become top ten picks, he can 254 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:22.000 claim now those guys didn't even start for me, I mean, I don't 255 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:24.120 think you do that now considering that season is now viewed as like damn, 256 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:28.240 how did you waste all that talent? But nonetheless like it also wouldn't shock 257 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:30.559 me if those two guys didn't start, because there's some kind of an arrangement 258 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:35.120 so that happens. But if pack Yels didn't feel comfortable doing that, totally 259 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:37.960 get it. If he would have done it, I would not have been 260 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:41.000 super critical because I mean, I think you can actually put it this way. 261 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:48.399 I think that the days of just kind of saying whatever casually to butter 262 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:52.840 up a kid and really sell them, you can't really do that anymore because 263 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:58.960 you know, there's clearly factors in place that lead to these kids making said 264 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:03.840 decision. Right, So, part of the pitch that I'm assuming Arizona State 265 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:08.000 gave Jayden Quaint's was that he would be a starter, And of course, 266 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:11.039 you know he's gonna have a lot of money, so it's a bumber. 267 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:15.000 You know, Louisville wanted him, they didn't get him. Had they told 268 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.399 him he'd be a starter, would he have been here? Maybe we'll never 269 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.879 know, but I think, if you're Pat Kelsey, you've got a group 270 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:26.519 of hungry veterans, to be honest with you, right, I mean a 271 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.440 lot of these dudes that Pat Kelsey has brought in have played a lot of 272 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:37.159 basketball, and you have some dudes that have been I mean five year guys, 273 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:38.159 six year guy. I mean, I feel like one of them is 274 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.320 a six year guy. Could be wrong, but either way, a lot 275 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:44.960 of these guys have played four years of college basketball, are three years and 276 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.240 jaydan Quay's gonna be sixteen years old when he arrives on campus. So I 277 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:51.279 just I think you've got to you know, and everybody's everybody's learning about each 278 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:52.759 other, right. All these guys are new to each other. The players 279 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:57.759 probably haven't even met. But the majority of these guys that Pat Kelsey brought 280 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:02.399 into visit sold them on Louisville, sold them on himself to get them to 281 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:06.319 commit here. That was probably the first time that they ever talked, right. 282 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:07.759 I mean maybe he recruited him previously, I don't know, like when 283 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:11.839 he was at Charleston. So I just feel like, you know, this 284 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.759 may sound corny to some, but you heard I mean you heard it said 285 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:19.880 last week when we had Terrence Edwards Junior on the show, like everybody's going 286 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:23.720 to work to get everything that they that they that they get, like nobody's 287 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:26.359 getting any I mean nil. Again, Pat Kelsey's not the one telling you 288 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:30.200 what you're gonna make. Obviously that's through nil. And that's something that you 289 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.000 know, even though it sounds funny, it's not because you're a basketball player. 290 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:36.599 It's because of other reasons. But what I'm saying is that I think 291 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:40.240 selling some of these guys that you've been able to land that like, you 292 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:42.640 know, we're gonna have to be a bunch of dogs. Everybody's gonna have 293 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:45.440 to you know, eat what they kill, that kind of stuff. And 294 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.759 again you could say it's corny, I think that actually is how you could 295 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:51.759 really attract some of the guys that have that have decided to come here. 296 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:55.279 And if there's if it's clear that a sixteen year old kids being brought in 297 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:57.480 and you know, he's guaranteed a starting spot and he may not be able 298 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:00.680 to play at all, which I'm not saying he he wouldn't be able to 299 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.559 play, it may get you off to a rough start. Right. Your 300 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:07.559 locker room culture environment is super important. Louisville learned that in a major way 301 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:11.200 the last few years. So you know, I don't think it was a 302 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:12.319 decision well, hey, we didn't want and we didn't need him. But 303 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:15.480 if it really came down to can you guarantee that he's going to start him, 304 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.839 like well you put it in writing or something, then I think he 305 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:23.000 probably made a wise decision because now you know, I still think the splash 306 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:26.160 of getting Quaintance would have been huge, and I think he would have helped 307 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:27.039 you, Like, I think he's a good enough player to wear even though 308 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:30.319 he's sixteen. You fit him with a bunch of veterans, you could win 309 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:33.200 with that. But now you know, they still have a lot of money 310 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:34.160 they were going to give to him they can use elsewhere, and they're still 311 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:40.200 really good players available in the portal. So the Jade and Quaintans sweep steaks 312 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:42.240 has come to an end. He's going to be an Arizona Arizona State Sun 313 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:45.440 Devil, and next year they're going to be in the Big twelve. So 314 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:48.720 you know, he's gonna be playing in a really good league and he didn't 315 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:52.640 have to worry about getting lost in the Pac twelve network, which of course 316 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:56.240 no longer exists because the pack Pac twelve doesn't exist anymore. So another thing 317 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.599 that I you know, I don't. I think I'm more convinc instant others 318 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:02.599 that this was a factor in his decision. I mean, at the end 319 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:04.880 of the day, I'm sure it came down to money and making sure you 320 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:10.839 were going to get a starting spot. But Dandy Hurley, I'm not Danny 321 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:12.200 Bobby Hurley. I'm sorry, Bobby. I get the Hurley's mixed up. 322 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:15.680 Danny Hurley is the super successful and Bobby Hurley not so much. But Bobby 323 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:21.440 Hurley is I guess for the last year or so, he has linked with 324 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:29.200 some Hollywood producers and they've been pitching an exclusive docuseriies to streaming networks on Hurley 325 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:34.319 and his Arizona State basketball program. And as someone who you know, saw 326 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:38.519 that firsthand and what he can do for people the market, you can't buy 327 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:44.200 that marketing. You can't buy those eyeballs. I mean, if the show's 328 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:47.240 successful and it's on Netflix, there'll be people that would never tune in to 329 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:51.960 ever watch a single second of college basketball Airzona State. But if the show's 330 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:56.000 characters are compelling and it's got like last chance you vibes wrestlers like the show 331 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:59.200 that was you know that, I mean I was, I was in it, 332 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:02.000 you know, you the man, Yeah, I mean clearly had had 333 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:04.160 a had such a big role. I was seen six times and I think 334 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:08.759 four episodes in Big Cheeseburger Go. Yeah. It wasn't even wasn't even you 335 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:11.160 know, important enough to get subtitles when I talked, you know, just 336 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:15.160 in just background noise. I think that's what they listed me on IMDb, 337 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:19.039 just background noise of wrestlers. But anyways, you know that's huge for marketing, 338 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:22.880 you know. So that may sound silly, but I'm telling you that 339 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:26.680 kind of stuff matters because that could open him up to a new audience that 340 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:30.640 would never tune in to watch him because they don't care. And by the 341 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:36.920 way, it sounds silly to do a docuseries and put it on streaming network 342 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:41.799 about the brother that's not successful, right, I mean, I mean Bobby 343 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:45.359 Hurley. Uh, I mean, I don't know, I'm not sure. 344 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:47.359 I mean, obviously, when I think of Bobby Hurley, I think of 345 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:51.599 his playing days back when he was a duke. Of course I was very 346 00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:52.799 young when he played it. I mean, in fact, you know that 347 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:55.599 was when I was a baby, but I remember, you know, I 348 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:56.640 remember he was one of the original dookies, right, one of the guys 349 00:20:56.680 --> 00:20:59.640 you just kind of loved to hate. But as a head coach, you 350 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:03.359 know, he's been very good at all. He's never won a tournament game. 351 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:08.039 He's only been to the tournament three times in his what looks to be 352 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:15.200 nine years at Arizona State. But I'll tell you this. Their location, 353 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:21.640 Tempe, Arizona. I mean, that's believed to be the hardest campus to 354 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:26.359 attend as a young man on a visit. And I'm not even talking about 355 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:29.759 an athlete. I'm talking like just you know, let's say you just make 356 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:33.000 your way over to the Arizona State campus. You're gonna want to go there 357 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:37.759 because of you know, the what you see beautiful place in a variety of 358 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:42.039 ways, but also these kind of shows. It's not I mean, like 359 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:45.119 no offense to to Danny Hurley, but like he you know, I think 360 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:48.480 he's interesting enough, but like I don't think he's like a big character. 361 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:52.720 His brother Bobby is a character, and that matters more for television way like 362 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:56.960 Danny Hurley. It would be cool for me because I'm a college basketball junkie, 363 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:00.440 so like to see the behind the scenes stuff of Yukon and to see 364 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:03.119 him in practice, Like I would eat that up. But that's because I 365 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:06.720 love college basketball. Danny Hurley, I'm sorry, Bobby Hurley is somebody that 366 00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:10.799 I mean like he's he's more of a character. So Jade Quainton's off the 367 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:14.079 board. He's going to arizon A State. So uh, we'll talk about 368 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:18.400 some other names to keep an eye on. Obviously, Louisville has a visit 369 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:22.880 scheduled with O Sibor, and who knows, maybe he doesn't even end up 370 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:25.559 here because he might commit to Kentucky while he's visiting. But we shall see. 371 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:26.839 That would be a big addition. And now Lousvill's got more money to 372 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:30.440 give him because they didn't give any to Jade Quaintons. So keep it locked 373 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:33.200 right here what I want to do. On the other side, we'll take 374 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:37.079 a look at this Penny Boon situation. Doesn't look good for that young man 375 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:40.880 and Kentucky. Since we wrapped up the show Friday, I believe they added 376 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:45.799 two more players, so slowly but surely. Mark Stoops's roster is is, 377 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:48.039 you know, getting put together all right? If you want to join us 378 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:48.720 on the show, you can five O two, five to seven and one 379 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:52.359 seventy nine hundred. That is the number if you wanna give us a call 380 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:53.960 text line five o't two six five three zero seven ninety one. And then 381 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:59.720 Federal Credit Union text line keep it locked right here on Sports Talk seven ninety 382 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.559 all right, So in total, it looks like there were four. Yeah, 383 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:07.519 I thought there may have been five, but four former Louisville Cardinals heard 384 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:11.000 their name called this weekend in the draft. First was Haisa Grindo going in 385 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:17.039 the fourth round to the San Francisco forty nine ers. Jarvis Brownlee in the 386 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:18.440 fifth round, which I think he slipped a little bit further than what a 387 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.359 lot of people were projecting, but he's with the Titans at the number one 388 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:26.200 forty six overall pick. And then Jamari Thrash in the fifth round as well, 389 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:30.400 going to the Cleveland Browns one fifty six overall, and then Juar Jordan 390 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:34.000 was taken in the sixth round by the Houston Texans, which surprised me a 391 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:37.039 little bit. I mean, I think Juar Jordan's going to have a chance 392 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:40.880 to really show what he can do in the NFL. Kind of a unique 393 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:45.960 back to where you know, he's just he's injured, and I shouldn't say 394 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:48.079 he's injured a lot, but you know, he's just to me, he 395 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:51.000 doesn't necessarily look exactly like a guy that could be a feat you know, 396 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:55.079 a guy that you really I think Grindo could be somebody that, you know, 397 00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:56.480 as long as he stays healthy. And you know, sometimes running backs 398 00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:59.720 just kind of fall off the cliff, right, you know, they they 399 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:02.839 could productivest can be for three years and then the year four they're just done. 400 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:03.880 I mean, that's just kind of unfortunately, that's how it's worked for 401 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:07.119 a lot of these guys. But I think Gorendo could more so be that, 402 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:08.680 be that guy, whereas Jordan, you know, I'd love to see 403 00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:12.200 him on special teams returning kicks, and you know, who knows, Maybe 404 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:15.680 maybe I'm wrong, Maybe he does carve out a nice role there with the 405 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:18.720 Texans. But I think a lot of folks as we get closer to the 406 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:22.960 draft thought he may in fact be an undrafted free agent, but the Texans 407 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:27.319 take him in the sixth round. So Brian Hudson signed with the Detroit Lions, 408 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:33.759 Stormed Duck with the Dolphins. Jack Plumber signed with the Panthers, col 409 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:37.480 of old lineman Eric Miller signing with the Bengals, and then Willie Miller signing 410 00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:41.720 with the Jets. So some good representation there in the NFL draft, and 411 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:45.759 and who knows, sometimes guys who don't get drafted end up making the making 412 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:49.240 the roster, and I know there's there's uh, there's the belief that when 413 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.119 you don't get drafted in the seventh round, you know, you then can 414 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:56.119 field offers and decide what makes the most sense for you. And that is 415 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.240 an advantage when it comes to you know, knowing where you feel like you 416 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:03.039 would be more competitive at, knowing where you feel like you'd have a better 417 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:06.839 chance to make that roster. But what people fail to realize is that you 418 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:11.240 know, if in fact, you make the roster and they cut somebody that 419 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:17.440 they drafted in the seventh round, sometimes look sometimes that that's what needs to 420 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:19.119 happen, because that's I mean, the end of the day, you got 421 00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:22.160 to find the best players on the team, or you gotta find the best 422 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:26.440 players to put on the team. But that's also a GM admitting that they 423 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:30.920 you know that they didn't they failed in the draft, Right, they're gonna 424 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:33.559 like, let a guy go they picked, and then keep a guy that 425 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:34.759 they I mean, it happens from time to time, but it's just something 426 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:40.720 I rarely hear people mention. But yeah, let's move back on. Well, 427 00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:41.720 actually, let's stick with football here. By the way, it's Coffee 428 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:45.200 and Company. We are feel about Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven ninety. 429 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:48.039 Thanks for hanging out with us. Happy Derby weeked everybody, but Penny Boon. 430 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.440 That's a name we've talked about quite a bit in the last month or 431 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:57.160 so just because of the departure. He decided to hit the transfer portal, 432 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:00.119 you know, as soon as it opened up. And this is a guy 433 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:07.000 who showed up in December into December whenever, it was, maybe early January, 434 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:11.400 right, transferred following his last season there at Toledo. Was a nice 435 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:12.920 addition for Louisville. Right, one of the reasons He's not the only reason, 436 00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:15.400 but one of the reasons why they were viewed as a team that had 437 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:18.720 put together a really good class. I think they were ranked in the top 438 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:21.279 ten just about everywhere. When it comes to the transfer portal. He was 439 00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:25.440 a part of that. And after I think it was three practices in the 440 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:30.000 spring and maybe less than three months on campus he decided to hit the portal 441 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.839 again. And the reason, unfortunately, this is like, this is not 442 00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:37.839 this is not new. I mean, I'm I should say this is not 443 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:42.400 rare. There are many players across the country in college football that after spring 444 00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:47.200 ball they hit the portal and they were just in the portal in December. 445 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:49.480 So it's not just Louisville and it's not just Penny Boone. But what made 446 00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:56.119 Penny Boone be discussed a little bit more than others is because of the exit. 447 00:26:56.200 --> 00:27:00.680 Right. I mean, he said he was standing owned business. He 448 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:04.839 did did let us know that? And I assume that means he either I 449 00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:07.240 mean, you could take that a lot of ways. Right, he either 450 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.880 feels as if he shouldn't got he should have gotten more money up front. 451 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:15.119 Maybe he feels like he's done enough since he's been there to where he should 452 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.759 be getting more money than he agreed to. I don't know, but clearly 453 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.640 he had some some issues with the nil finances and you know, and then 454 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:27.920 he posted some stuff from clips from spring practice and you know, just didn't 455 00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:36.039 didn't exit here with anybody feeling like the experience was mutually beneficial at all. 456 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:40.359 Right, Like Louisville wasted their time, wasted some nil money with this guy 457 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:42.960 who showed up, practiced a few times, and left and then on his 458 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:47.880 way out, you know, he I don't even know what the best way 459 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:51.440 to describe that whole situation would be, but he took he took some shots 460 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:53.400 on the way out. I suppose. Well, now it turns out that 461 00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:56.519 Penny Boon may have nowhere else to go other than Louisville. So this is 462 00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:00.920 unfortunate, and I mean this sincerely. I don't I'm not saying that, 463 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:04.039 you know, he's a victim in all this, because at the end of 464 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:06.759 the day, you know your actions, your decisions, you know, you 465 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:08.880 got to live with them. But a lot of people seem to think that 466 00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:14.400 he's just getting advice from a really bad agent. So here's what's happened. 467 00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:19.640 He hit the portal. He had a visit I think scheduled as soon as 468 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:22.960 he hit the portal, probably even before he was in the portal, because 469 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.119 that's how it works, to go to Washington, Right, He's gonna go 470 00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.319 to Seattle. Well, I think the folks at Washington, on their end 471 00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:30.759 are doing their homework looking at this guy, probably interested in him, right, 472 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.799 he's a good player. But then they realize, you know, there's 473 00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:38.839 no like, we can't do it. And I'm assuming it's because of academics. 474 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:42.000 And I don't mean that he's got like a terrible you know, transcript 475 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.160 and he can't get into school because he's got allows e Gpa. But you 476 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:51.160 have to be able to transfer in go you have to be able to transfer 477 00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:56.640 in attempting to obtain a degree at that school. You know that when you're 478 00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:00.480 all over the place, right, like he was at Louisville for a semester, 479 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.480 right, he was here. In fact, you know, maybe he's 480 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.839 doing his coursework now this semester online because I don't think he's actually here in 481 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.960 Louisville, but you know he's enrolled at UL. Well, it's not common 482 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:18.319 for people to bounce all across the country and transfer schools at this rate unless 483 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.839 you know you're in this position. You're a football player trying to make money. 484 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:23.759 So there's schools he can't get into. Not again, not because he's 485 00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:29.960 a terrible student, because it's just it doesn't it's not compatible. I'm not 486 00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:32.920 sure if that's what happened at Ole Miss, but I'd believe it. So 487 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:34.160 then it turned into he was going to go to Kentucky. Right Well, 488 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.880 now it's come out that he will not be able to go to Kentucky. 489 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.720 Nick Roush of KSR reported this over the weekend. I believe that he won't 490 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:44.400 be transferring, and that's where he mean. In fact, I think he 491 00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:51.599 committed essentially, But it's an academic credit hour issue. So I'm sure he 492 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:56.799 could find a spot somewhere. But you know, when you're at Toledo for 493 00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:00.359 three years, two years, maybe you start at Maryland, then you're at 494 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:04.160 Lowell for a semester. You know you've got some kind of concoction of credit 495 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:07.319 hours there, right, So how does that? You know, how does 496 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:11.000 that? You probably can't take all that with you. I don't know how 497 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.839 it works. Trust me, I'm aware of how dumb I sound even trying 498 00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:19.160 to mention the whole credit transfer kind of thing. But athletes are learning this 499 00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:23.759 as we speak. So we'll get into it later on the basketball side, 500 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:27.640 because there's a lot of these kids that and there's one visiting Kentucky right now, 501 00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:32.079 Kobe Brea, I believe that's his name, Kobe Brea. He's dating 502 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:34.799 Sharpshooter. Well, he was down to like five of the blue bloods, 503 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:41.000 right, he was considering Kansas, Duke, Yukon, Kentucky, and North 504 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:45.759 Carolina, I believe. Well then he just was down to two schools, 505 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:52.759 Duke and Yukon. Well he canceled his visit to Duke, and it I 506 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.279 think it's I think it's because of the you know, he can't get into 507 00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.839 school there. So now Kentucky's back in the mix and he's visiting as we 508 00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:00.759 speak, So you know, I could benefit Kentucky could really work out. 509 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:07.160 But these guys hit the portal not even thinking about that, because to be 510 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:08.640 fair, I don't want act as if none of these guys actually go to 511 00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:15.279 school and are you know, taking their education seriously. But let's be real. 512 00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:19.079 They clearly can you know it, probably can get away with some things 513 00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:23.759 academically and have situations on the academic side that others don't have. And that's 514 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:29.559 been going on forever. But what's new here is all this bouncing around from 515 00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:33.480 two different schools, and I think that's gonna make it to where you're gonna 516 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.119 see these dudes be recruited. And then I don't know if it goes to 517 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:41.000 the admissions office of where it ends up. But these guys could be deep 518 00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:44.039 into the recruitment feeling like they're about to make a decision, then find out 519 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:49.839 you can't get into school here. So I would imagine Penny Boon academically would 520 00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:55.319 be able to come back to Louisville and play I can get into school because 521 00:31:55.319 --> 00:32:00.200 he's actually still a student here. But I just have a hard time I'm 522 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:05.359 seeing Jeff Brohm welcome him back in if he decided to do it, I 523 00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.799 would trust him because I would think that he would he would feel comfortable that 524 00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:13.680 this, you know, wouldn't turn into a bad locker room situation. But 525 00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:15.880 just given the optics of everything that played out, especially now that we know 526 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:20.240 that he apparently, you know, got wind of you know, some of 527 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:24.799 these dudes on their way out yapping about money. And I really don't know 528 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:28.000 the source of it. I've been asked about it, I've seen it. 529 00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.880 I have no information that you know more than anybody else. But there was 530 00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:35.920 somebody in the Louisville locker room, like in the spring game, doing a 531 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:40.240 like being videoed, like posing in their uniform doing L's down and I think 532 00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:44.240 that as some people thinking that like players came here just to take money and 533 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:46.079 leave. And I have no clue who that even was that would do that, 534 00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:51.400 but I just I wouldn't imagine that Jeff Brohm would welcome this guy back 535 00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.519 because it didn't sound like it was. I mean, it didn't sound like 536 00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:58.920 it was anything other than a messy situation that you know, they want they 537 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:00.960 want. I think they wanted him to be on the team. They wouldn't 538 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.039 like they were looking for him, you know, to leave because they didn't 539 00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:06.079 think he was good enough. They thought he was a bad guy. But 540 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.599 you know, there's no doubt about it, Penny Boone and his agent, 541 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:13.440 if you want to call him that. To me, there's no scenario they 542 00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:15.079 ever thought they'd be in the situation where they don't really have any other options 543 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:19.279 right now. So maybe he can go back to Toledo, I don't know, 544 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.160 and that this will be a guy that you know, went through the 545 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.759 whole transfer portal situation, took some money through ANIL and ended up backing the 546 00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:30.599 MAC. But it is unfortunate. But I think, you know, maybe 547 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:32.839 if this thing, if it ends up to where he's got no other options, 548 00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:37.079 and he has to go back to Toledo because Louisville won't take him back. 549 00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:44.400 I think it could be an example for college athletes moving forward to not 550 00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:49.359 trust agents who like aren't really agents. I mean, I saw somebody put 551 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:51.160 this out there the other day, and I thought it was totally true. 552 00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:55.920 I mean, you've got these buddies, pals, friends of these athletes that 553 00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:00.640 you know are just graduating with a sports management degree, and they call themselves 554 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:07.920 anil agents and they're telling their clients to turn down fifty K with nothing on 555 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:10.760 the table. So they're just turning that down as if they're going to get 556 00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:15.159 these bigger and better offers, and you know, it could ruin your career. 557 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:19.719 And you know, I think some of these young you know, some 558 00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.360 of these especially guys of Penny Boone situation right now. I don't know Penny 559 00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:24.519 Boone at all, but like he's he's in the MAC. It's not as 560 00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:28.760 if he's a guy that has been viewed as this, you know, like 561 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.440 he probably hasn't had a real agent ever. Well now you know, probably 562 00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:36.960 some dude DM and M on Twitter telling me he wants to represent him, 563 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:38.280 and you want to have an agent, right because you want to feel. 564 00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:40.280 Hey, he talked to my agent like you're you're a big dog, right, 565 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:44.159 You're important, you matter, you want to get the deal done. 566 00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:46.199 Talk to my agent like it's a flex right. Well, these guys don't 567 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:50.199 know what the hell they're doing, and they're taking twenty percent, which is 568 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:53.239 just insane compared to what an actual agent would take. But there are many 569 00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:58.800 players across the country, I think, in both sports basketball football, that 570 00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:02.679 have probably really ruined some potentially good situations because they're listening to somebody that doesn't 571 00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:07.039 know what the hell they're doing. And I don't you know, I don't 572 00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.440 know Penny Boon's agent at all, but I'd say he's getting some advice and 573 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:15.440 some guidance from this agent, and I think every bit of advice that he's 574 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:21.039 ran with in the last few weeks has been not good advice. So we'll 575 00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:23.880 see. I'd be highly shocked if he is back at Louisville. But again, 576 00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:28.400 if if he is, I would say that means the Jeff Brohm trust 577 00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:30.280 that it's, you know, a good move for the team. All right, 578 00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.039 let's take a quick break. We'll come back on the other side. 579 00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:37.960 Keep this thing rolling along. Take our first look at this this let's see 580 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:45.400 here. Yeah, the twenty twenty four Kentucky Derby one point fifty Derby Barnstable 581 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:51.360 Brown actually butchered the name. It's the Barnstable Brown Derby Eve Gala. I 582 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:52.519 think a lot of people just call it the Barnstable Party. But either way, 583 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.360 it's a big deal and there's a lot of celebrities that have been invited 584 00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:59.079 and they're going to be there and we'll talk about some of those and lets 585 00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:04.119 you hear your first Derby Derby profile from Jody Dimlings. So stick with us 586 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:06.800 right here. It's Coffee and Company feel by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety 587 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:12.519 John, did you happen to see the tweet from the Louisville Bats yesterday, 588 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.800 the one that was throwing shade at Kenny Payne? Yeah? I did see 589 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:21.599 that. I mean I was surprised by that. I mean I wasn't bothered 590 00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.559 by it. In fact, you know, it was well done. I'm 591 00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:30.559 just curious the level of screening that gets within the organization that is the Louisville 592 00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:35.199 Bats. I mean they have, you know, a marketing president and probably 593 00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:39.159 just a social media team and whoever thought of it, you know, shout 594 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:44.280 out to him for those who missed it. The louis of Bats they tweeted 595 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.519 this yesterday morning. The Bats won their thirteenth game of the season last night, 596 00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:52.679 and it had the it had admin thinking thought it was supposed to take 597 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:58.840 three to four years to do so, and then the emoji with the perplexed 598 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:02.719 look. That's a shot at Kenny Payne clearly, and I just didn't see 599 00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:06.599 it coming, you know what I mean. Kenny Payne's catching strays from the 600 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.679 Triple A affiliate here in Louisville. It does make you wonder who thought out 601 00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:12.440 the tweet for sure. It's got to be a Louisville fan, right, 602 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.400 yes, And you know, I'm just here. I am thinking, like, 603 00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:19.000 you know, the brass over there, like Greg Galliett has any say 604 00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:21.480 so, which I would assume that he mean, he has say so, 605 00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:22.719 but I would assume like he wouldn't be involved in that because you know, 606 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:28.440 he's one of the higher ups. But I can I'm just imagining it getting 607 00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:31.320 up to like their boss, their boss's boss, and everybody kind of being 608 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:36.159 like, go ahead, right, like who cares he's gone he sucked anyway? 609 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:37.719 I mean, could you imagine if something like that came out while he 610 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:39.920 was still the head coach, Oh, it would. I mean it's it 611 00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:44.119 would have been great. But like you know, I'm not saying it should 612 00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.679 have, just saying it would have been even more should have because I mean 613 00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:52.800 it's it's I'm about to just have a spasm and just you know, lose 614 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:58.559 you just block out, and I can't. It still doesn't seem real that 615 00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.679 that whole thing happened, that he was here for two years and was as 616 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:04.000 bad as he was, said the things he said. I mean, it 617 00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.239 was just we knew Louisville was going to be in much better shape than they 618 00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:09.960 had a new coach, and we also knew that, you know, doing 619 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.519 the little things that matter a whole lot. Well, actually just make us 620 00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.079 if we ever do have that brief moment of thinking about the nightmare that was 621 00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:21.719 the two year Kenny Payne era, it'll just make it even more maddening and 622 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.440 insane to think that that happened. And that's that's what just happened to me. 623 00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:30.760 So yeah, shout out to the Louisville Bats. All right, before 624 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:35.599 we get to the first derby horse profile that we're going to give you, 625 00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:38.880 throughout the week. Jody Dimmling does a great job of giving us, in 626 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:42.000 my opinion, what we need to know right Like, you know, I'm 627 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:45.639 sure there's more information out there, but these are about two to three minutes 628 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:50.800 clips that have story, the story of the horse, each horse that's in 629 00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:52.679 the race here. So I've heard people tell me over the years that they've 630 00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.000 listened to these and that's helped them make their decision. I don't know if 631 00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:58.920 you've won, if you've picked a horse based off something you heard and you 632 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.000 learned during this during these profiles, but you know, good luck to you 633 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:05.679 if you decide to make a wager. But let's take a look at this 634 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:09.039 this guest list here. We'll start with the name Cole Hauser. You know 635 00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:14.079 who that is? I don't. I don't either, but I'm gonna guess 636 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:16.599 he's a baseball player. But then again, baseball season's going on, so 637 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:20.840 that can't be it. You have a guess, I don't, but I 638 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:22.119 see why you would think that. There used to be a U of L 639 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.719 player named Kyle Funkhouser, which is a very similar sounding name. So now 640 00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:29.800 I feel like a real idiot because I know this guy I've seen him in 641 00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:31.559 a lot of stuff, but I would have I wouldn't have known his I 642 00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:36.639 would not have known his his legal name. In fact, I would have 643 00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:40.000 never guessed it if you'd have told me Rip Wheeler from Yellowstone, if you'd 644 00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:43.559 have told me that, like his name was what, I could have guessed 645 00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:46.039 for hours and never known his real name. He's been in some other things 646 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:50.239 too, but obviously he became like, you know, a heart throb as 647 00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.119 a Rip Wheeler on Yellowstone to show that is that still going on? I 648 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.440 mean, I think it's over. I've not seen it, but I know 649 00:39:55.519 --> 00:40:00.320 it was really popular. It was so popular for a while, and I 650 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.679 enjoyed it, but in the later seasons I kind of felt like, all 651 00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:07.840 right, they're just clearly they're not really going in any direction. They're just 652 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:08.840 kind of taking advantage of the fact that, you know, they've got a 653 00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:13.559 lot of people listening. So yeah, uh, if I saw him, 654 00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:15.800 i'd know exactly who it is. I'd say, that's Ripped from Yellowstone. 655 00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:20.519 And he also had some other some other roles that like, he was in 656 00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:22.199 Too Fast, Too Furious, if you remember, which you know was now 657 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:25.639 twenty something year old movie. He was in the breakup with Vince Vaughn. 658 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:29.679 I remember that role that he had, so I'd say mostly he's not known 659 00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:31.760 for this, and he's going to be there, so Rip. And by 660 00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:37.320 the way, if he like is out and about in Louisville like people, 661 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.480 I wouldn't be shocked if there's people who were in love with him, like 662 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:42.840 women, but they may not. Like, they're not going to call him 663 00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.079 cold, They're gonna call him rip, which I'm sure he gets that a 664 00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:47.400 lot because that's you know what he's known as. Rip. All right, 665 00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:52.800 let's do our first Derby horse. Here the profile and this is which one 666 00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.559 is this? John Domestic Product, Domestic Product. Let's hear it now, 667 00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:01.760 look at the Kentucky Derby field one by one. Domestic Product. Hall of 668 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:07.719 Fame trainer Chad Brown has one of the Kentucky Derby favorites in his barn, 669 00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:12.639 in the Bluegras Stakes winner Sierra Leone. But don't forget the other horse in 670 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:17.480 Brown's barn. Brown likes to remind people that Tampa Bay Derby winner Domestic Product, 671 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:22.400 is on the improve and has a real shot to capture the roses. 672 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:28.599 He's coming off a nice wind and he's been training better than ever, and 673 00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:34.800 I think when everybody sees this horse training out this week, I'm gonna have 674 00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.079 a lot of questions about him because he looks good. The dark Brown Bay 675 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:42.800 son of Practical Joke. Domestic Product is trained by Brown, will be ridden 676 00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:47.480 by Irad Ortiz and his own by Clarevitch Stable. Domestic Product has two wins 677 00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:52.239 at a second place finish in five career starts. He broke his maiden in 678 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:58.559 his second career start in October at Aqueduct, then finished a disappointing seventh, 679 00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:04.239 beaten by sixteen on a muddy track in the Remsen Steakes on December second. 680 00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:09.239 Brown opted to give Domestic Product another chance, and the colt repaid him, 681 00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:15.800 finishing second, beating Kentucky Derby favorite Fierceness, who was third in the Holy 682 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:22.280 Bull Stakes on February third at Gulfstream Park. Brown then shipped Domestic Product to 683 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:28.079 Tampa Bay, where he won the Tampa Bay Derby by neck on March the 684 00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:32.039 ninth. That means Domestic Product will come into the Kentucky Derby on an eight 685 00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:37.880 week layoff. No horse has won the Derby since nineteen twenty two after more 686 00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:43.679 than a seven week layoff, but that doesn't bother Brown. Brown believes he 687 00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:47.159 has a horse that can capture the roses. He's done super this horse. 688 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:52.519 It's given an incredible impression Galfin on the track since he shipped up from South 689 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.079 Florida. I like the fact this horse is fresh, that he hasn't had 690 00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:58.880 a race right on top of this one. He's a horse that needed a 691 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:00.960 little bit of time to recover and that race to really move forward. And 692 00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:05.239 he is definitely in the picture of this race. The way he's training