It's time for Coffee and Company. Fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety.
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Who's the kid here? Who's the kid here? Are you kidding me?
Now? Here's Nick Coffee. All right, ladies and gentlemen, let's do
this. Welcome in Happy Derby Week. Everybody a Monday edition. Here Coffee
and Company. Fueled by Thornton's on at Sports Talk seven ninety. My name
is Nick Coffee. The company man. Mister John Dawldon alongside said hey John,
Happy Derby Week. Happy Derby Week to you. Are you feeling any
Derby vibes? You can be honest. You don't have to just say yeah
because you feel like maybe that That's what I'm asking you to say. But
you know so, I mean, I like the Derby, I like what
it does for the city of Louisville, but I think being around it my
entire life, I feel like the vibes for me surrounding Derby may not be
as as exciting as some people's. Yeah, I'm look, I'm the same
way. I love everything that comes with Derby around here, and I've talked
about it recently, you know, as we were getting closer and closer to
Derby Week and now we're here. But you know, I I stopped years
ago trying to, you know, figure out if I needed to really learn
a lot about the sport of horse racing. And I'll be honest with you,
me not having any interest in it made it to where I really didn't
dedicate any time to learning because it's just not my thing. And I'm not
sure if this is an unpopular opinion or if people think it's, you know,
one of the dumbest things I've ever said. Stick around. We got
three hours. I'm gonna say a lot of dumb things today, I'm sure,
but I think, you know, for my I grew up in Louisville,
Kentucky, Barren raised my whole life, and obviously, as a young
kid, you realize how big of a deal it is that we have the
Kentucky Derby here in Churchill Downs and and that's always been great. But like
the sport of horse racing, right, like the actual sport of it,
take away the event that is, you know, one of the biggest events
in sports across the planet every year. You know, I just it's never
It's not something I feel like I was exposed to a lot. Wasn't around
it right to me. So for me as a kid, I was,
you know, going to derby parties and occasionally we would go to the track,
whether it be a field trip or I remember the yearly tradition for us
to go to Churchill Downs was we would go on Father's Day. And then
as I got older, you know, I kind of became an adult and
did my own thing. I wasn't just going with my parents, you know,
I would occasionally go for night racing that kind of stuff. And then
obviously now in my career I work derby and whatnot. But thankfully it's not
about it. You know, they don't task me with interviewing any trainers or
jockeys or anything like that, just because you know it's I wouldn't be good
at it. I mean I could, I mean I could probably get through
it, and I would prepare to make sure I don't completely bomb and make
a fool of mine. But it's just, you know, I love Derby,
but I would be a fake and a phony if I told you that
I really love horse racing. I don't hate it, but like it's just
not something that I'm all that interested in. So if I if I dedicated
this week to like acting like I know anything about horse racing or really acting
like I care a whole lot, I'd be a fraud. So for years
I've been pretty consistent about how you know, on my show, rather it
be this one that you know has now been This is our second Derby together
John, but previously, you know I was on middays, I was on
mornings. I mean I've been with this station on three different day parts for
eight years now, so this is not my first rodeo. But what I
like to do is mix in some things that maybe you know of interest to
folks. But again it's not actually breaking down the sport and really the race.
I mean, we'll talk about some of the horses throughout the week,
but one thing we've done for years now, we're gonna do it this week
too. We're gonna lean on the one and the only mister Jody Dimmling because
he is somebody that knows a lot about the sport's spurt. In fact,
you know, not only do you guys see Jody's work year round at Cardinalthorty
dot com, but he also has done stuff for CBS Sports covering horse racing.
I mean, I think one of the local news stations here in town
they hire him every year to be a part of their coverage because it's what
he does, it's his lane, and because he no longer works for us
anymore. I mean, he used to have every job I think in broadcasting
in this city, but now he's only he's really a contract employee for us
during Derby, So he does a profile of each Derby horse throughout the you
know, throughout the week, and we'll play a handful of those each day
to get you set and you'll learn. I mean, I think they're perfect.
And I'm not just saying that because you know, I'm gassing up my
man, Jody di Demmling. But if you're somebody like myself that wants to
know a little bit of information before you were to maybe pick a horse,
I mean it's perfect because it's not like you know, it's not as if
it's a twenty minute interview with the owner and trainer, which maybe you guys
are into that kind of thing, and if so, that's cool, no
judgment, that's just not me. But they're about two minutes long and it
just gives you what you need to know, how the horse maybe got his
name, the history of the owner, trainer, that kind of stuff.
So we will mix those in and then, you know, some other things
I like to do each time we get to Derby week on the show,
take a look at the Barnstable Brown Party that happens every year. There's a
lot of Derby parties, by the way, I think each year there seems
to be more and more, and they seem to have some celebrities. But
the big one is the Barnstable Brown Derby Eve Gala, and we now have
the list of celebrities and attendance. I like to run through that list,
and it's actually fun with John because there are some people on here that neither
of us are gonna know, and we're gonna have to, you know,
take a guess and then google and figure out who it is. And there'll
be some people that I don't know, maybe John does, and then I'm
quite sure, there's gonna be some that I know that John doesn't know,
just because he's a little bit younger than me. So you know, that's
that's your Derby fix that you're gonna get from us here, unless John decides
he, you know, just become the horse racing correspondent for Coffee and Company.
And I feel like if he wanted to do that, he probably would
have let me know before today. Is that safe to say? Absolutely?
Maybe Moose can be it though, and he's still into horse racing, man,
he is in love with it. I'm taking him tomorrow morning to the
backside and you know he'll get a chance to see what everybody else can see.
But you know, for him it'll be like being in heaven. And
I don't know where he got it from, don't I can't really explain it.
And it's not become an issue for me yet, but at some point
I may have to get a little bit more educated on the sport because my
three year old son is not just like a fan like thinks it's cool that
I mean, he is obsessed with horse racing. We went to Churchill Downs
on Saturday for opening Night, and I have some thoughts about the the updates
there at Churchill Downs. I'm not teasing that as if I'm gonna need I'm
gonna need some more time so I can really you know, be critical.
I mean, obviously, yes, things are very expensive. It's Derby Week,
there's no surprise. But I just think there's something that Churchill Down's clearly
learned through the pandemic, and I do believe it has really changed their approach
for who they're catering to, what their goal is when they open up their
doors, not just Derby Week, but really you know, three sixty five.
And does it make it a little bit less enjoyable for locals who have
always, I guess, had their day each year, had their you know,
things they like about the track. Yeah, it's probably not as convenient
for them. But if I was Churchill I'd probably do the same thing too.
So again we can get to that later on. But yes, my
son he's obsessed. You know, I'm sure a lot of you parents out
there that have toddlers, you know, it's probably not good for our kids,
but tablets, right, you know, if they won't shut the hell
up, give them a tablet a kid, But you know what I mean,
And it keeps them busy. And sometimes honestly, there's like educational stuff
too, so it's not just you know, to to watch whatever and rock
their brain with this screen in front of their face. But if my son
has his iPad when he's laying down to go to bed, or he's got
it in the car, and when I'm driving, he's watching old horse races,
like you know, he YouTube. Thankfully, they they've got you know,
you can they if you're if you watch two of something, obviously it's
just gonna rep it's gonna automatically play something next that is something similar, right,
And like there's countless amounts of horse races from years we're talking, you
know, Derby, you know, any other, any other race. But
there's one race in particular, I think it might be like the nineteen ninety
nine Preakness, and he watches it probably thirty times a day. He's obsessed
with it. So we get to the track this is when we went last
year, and we're walking in and he's excited, and I mean at that
time he's two, and you know, he says, Daddy, is this
the Prignas? And I said, nobody, that's that's a different one.
And there was a you know, not a group, but you know,
three or four guys ahead of us did look like they were into horse racing,
right, looked like they were, you know, it was kind of
their thing. And they turned around and they were very taken aback by the
fact that a two year old, like what did he do? Say?
He said, yeah, he said the Preakness. He's a big horse racing
fan. How does he know what the pregnance is? And I was like,
if I could even say anything, Moose is yelling at him, telling
him that he watches it and I don't. I can't remember the name of
the winner, but you know, he'd rattle that off too, so eventually,
like, you know, if it's something he's really passionate about when he
gets older, and I'm you know, still somebody that knows nothing that I'm
gonna probably, you know, because I don't want that'll be the ultimate fomo
fear of missing out on something that I could really enjoy with my son.
So again, Happy Derby Week everybody. Hopefully you guys had yourselves a good
weekend. We have a lot to react to. We always say that on
Mondays and it's always true on Mondays, but today it's really true, because
I mean, where do we start. The NFL draft concluded pretty pretty uneventful
draft, I would say, I mean just my opinion. I mean,
I didn't feel like there was any really crazy stories in the Shenanigan's but we
can certainly react to where the local guys went, and there's a lot of
other things. But I guess we just dive right in here because Jaden Quainton's
has made his decision. For those of you that have not been keeping up
with the lake atest, I think it was at about noon today. It
was broke by Adrian Wolje Narowski. The I mean, he's he's Woch,
He's mister NBA newsbreaker. But then every now and then he's one of those
guys that will just break some news, some exclusive scoop that he's got that
really pertains to nothing involved in his lane, but he just wants to flex
and like you go, Yues, I think I only break NBA free agency
news. Now. He had the Dusty Main news, didn't he in Michigan.
Yeah, So what I've learned, John, is that Dusty May and
some of these some of these players even like high school players that are being
recruited or transfers. Woj has the same agents as as Okay, so there's
a big time agency. I believe it's C double A and you know they
all kind of work together. So you know, if they're going to give
out some scoop to break, they're gonna give it to their main woach.
But I remember that, Yeah, it was Woj who actually and believe it
or not, the one person that gives me any info, especially during that
time when Louis was going through the coaching search. You know, I don't
have many people, but I had one, you know, one person that
was giving me good info. Really at that point, like as soon as
things had kind of as soon as it was quite clear they were going all
in on Dusty May, and people were talking that like they may not know,
but Dusty May he's not told him no, but he doesn't want the
job. That person who's you know, been good to me. There could
they their direct connection as WOJ, which I don't even know how the hell
they would know each other, don't know it, but hey, that's a
pretty good get, right If you can reach out to Woj, i'd say
you're you're doing something special. So anyways, he broke the news that Jadan
Quaintans has decided to go to Arizona State following a recent visit. And look,
let's just let's just get this out of the way, because this is
how it's done. When you go after recruit and you don't get him,
you take the l Louisville wanted Jadan Quaintance in a major way. They had
a very generous nil situation for him. I think he genuinely liked his visit.
I think he genuinely liked Coach Kelsey. And when I say he,
I gotta be honest with you, I'm not really talking about the kid he
might have. But this was this recruitment was entirely done by people that are
advising him, you know, his father, I mean, and his father
should be somebody that advises his sixteen year old son, right, But I
mean, this was all about an arrangement. Like I don't even think he
decided where he was going to visit. I can't prove that, but there
were a couple of quotes from him, specifically that I've referenced during his recruitment,
and I remember we talked about it, John, like he didn't really
know where he was going next. When they were asking about his visits because
he's not the one arranging it. It's probably his father, his agent,
And a part of me says, that's kind of sad, but it really
isn't nowadays you know this Look, this is all transactional. This is now
a business to where if it was me, you know, I would want
somebody advising me if I was that young. I mean, I would want
to have influence. I would want to be able to say, hey,
I really like this coach, I really like this style of offense. But
you know, you know, you should have people that you can trust by
your side that are helping you through that. And I would assume this young
man's father is trustworthy and at least, you know, cares about his son.
Now the other people, you know, I don't know. Hopefully your
agent is somebody that you can rely on and trust and they're looking out for
you, not just looking out for ways to fill their pockets. Which there's
actually a really good example of that that we're going to get to coming up
before too long. And that is the latest on Penny Boone. But back
to Jaden Quaint's he goes to Arizona State and it came out last week when
he was considering Memphis and then Memphis visit got canceled, if you remember,
And in the interview with the Memphis Commercial Appeal his father Hamon Quaintance, this
was his quote, we're looking for a situation where we can go in and
start. It's not a lot of coaches that can get the best out of
these young players. Penny has had young players. He probably had one of
the youngest teams in the country a couple of years ago. There's not a
lot of guys that feel comfortable playing younger players. Let's see. He let
me find the rest of it. Yeah, and he goes on to say,
you know, there's not a lot of guys to feel comfortable playing young
players and developing young players. So that really is a nothing burger, right
as far as like, that's not really an update in his recruitment and he's
talking about Penny Hardway, which who cares. But the beginning of that was
this, they were looking for a place where they can go in and get
a guaranteed starter spot. And that happens like that's I mean, Kentucky fans
may acknowledge this now and maybe they did, and just you know, you
never heard from him. But there were certainly some guys that played for John
Cali Perry as freshmen that you know there was a guarantee they would start,
because if there wasn't, there's no reason they'd still be starting. Who's the
kid that went pro for them this past year? John the freshman? It
was the guy who never played a minute? Is all you're talking about those
a couple years? Yeah, yeah, No, Justin Edwards is that his
name? Yeah, Justin Edwards. I mean, I'm just gonna use him
him as an example. I absolutely believe that Justin Edwards was given a guarantee
that he would start because he was maybe the tenth best player on that team
at best, and he started I think every game but like two, and
it's got to be because there was some level arrangement, you know, and
we'll never know. I mean, some say Cow didn't start Dillingham and Shepherd
because you know, he was just stubborn and wanted to be able to tell
you that they didn't have to start, and if he could win, he'd
be able to stick in your face and say, see I told you.
And you know when Reed Shepherd getting Dillingham become top ten picks, he can
claim now those guys didn't even start for me, I mean, I don't
think you do that now considering that season is now viewed as like damn,
how did you waste all that talent? But nonetheless like it also wouldn't shock
me if those two guys didn't start, because there's some kind of an arrangement
so that happens. But if pack Yels didn't feel comfortable doing that, totally
get it. If he would have done it, I would not have been
super critical because I mean, I think you can actually put it this way.
I think that the days of just kind of saying whatever casually to butter
up a kid and really sell them, you can't really do that anymore because
you know, there's clearly factors in place that lead to these kids making said
decision. Right, So, part of the pitch that I'm assuming Arizona State
gave Jayden Quaint's was that he would be a starter, And of course,
you know he's gonna have a lot of money, so it's a bumber.
You know, Louisville wanted him, they didn't get him. Had they told
him he'd be a starter, would he have been here? Maybe we'll never
know, but I think, if you're Pat Kelsey, you've got a group
of hungry veterans, to be honest with you, right, I mean a
lot of these dudes that Pat Kelsey has brought in have played a lot of
basketball, and you have some dudes that have been I mean five year guys,
six year guy. I mean, I feel like one of them is
a six year guy. Could be wrong, but either way, a lot
of these guys have played four years of college basketball, are three years and
jaydan Quay's gonna be sixteen years old when he arrives on campus. So I
just I think you've got to you know, and everybody's everybody's learning about each
other, right. All these guys are new to each other. The players
probably haven't even met. But the majority of these guys that Pat Kelsey brought
into visit sold them on Louisville, sold them on himself to get them to
commit here. That was probably the first time that they ever talked, right.
I mean maybe he recruited him previously, I don't know, like when
he was at Charleston. So I just feel like, you know, this
may sound corny to some, but you heard I mean you heard it said
last week when we had Terrence Edwards Junior on the show, like everybody's going
to work to get everything that they that they that they get, like nobody's
getting any I mean nil. Again, Pat Kelsey's not the one telling you
what you're gonna make. Obviously that's through nil. And that's something that you
know, even though it sounds funny, it's not because you're a basketball player.
It's because of other reasons. But what I'm saying is that I think
selling some of these guys that you've been able to land that like, you
know, we're gonna have to be a bunch of dogs. Everybody's gonna have
to you know, eat what they kill, that kind of stuff. And
again you could say it's corny, I think that actually is how you could
really attract some of the guys that have that have decided to come here.
And if there's if it's clear that a sixteen year old kids being brought in
and you know, he's guaranteed a starting spot and he may not be able
to play at all, which I'm not saying he he wouldn't be able to
play, it may get you off to a rough start. Right. Your
locker room culture environment is super important. Louisville learned that in a major way
the last few years. So you know, I don't think it was a
decision well, hey, we didn't want and we didn't need him. But
if it really came down to can you guarantee that he's going to start him,
like well you put it in writing or something, then I think he
probably made a wise decision because now you know, I still think the splash
of getting Quaintance would have been huge, and I think he would have helped
you, Like, I think he's a good enough player to wear even though
he's sixteen. You fit him with a bunch of veterans, you could win
with that. But now you know, they still have a lot of money
they were going to give to him they can use elsewhere, and they're still
really good players available in the portal. So the Jade and Quaintans sweep steaks
has come to an end. He's going to be an Arizona Arizona State Sun
Devil, and next year they're going to be in the Big twelve. So
you know, he's gonna be playing in a really good league and he didn't
have to worry about getting lost in the Pac twelve network, which of course
no longer exists because the pack Pac twelve doesn't exist anymore. So another thing
that I you know, I don't. I think I'm more convinc instant others
that this was a factor in his decision. I mean, at the end
of the day, I'm sure it came down to money and making sure you
were going to get a starting spot. But Dandy Hurley, I'm not Danny
Bobby Hurley. I'm sorry, Bobby. I get the Hurley's mixed up.
Danny Hurley is the super successful and Bobby Hurley not so much. But Bobby
Hurley is I guess for the last year or so, he has linked with
some Hollywood producers and they've been pitching an exclusive docuseriies to streaming networks on Hurley
and his Arizona State basketball program. And as someone who you know, saw
that firsthand and what he can do for people the market, you can't buy
that marketing. You can't buy those eyeballs. I mean, if the show's
successful and it's on Netflix, there'll be people that would never tune in to
ever watch a single second of college basketball Airzona State. But if the show's
characters are compelling and it's got like last chance you vibes wrestlers like the show
that was you know that, I mean I was, I was in it,
you know, you the man, Yeah, I mean clearly had had
a had such a big role. I was seen six times and I think
four episodes in Big Cheeseburger Go. Yeah. It wasn't even wasn't even you
know, important enough to get subtitles when I talked, you know, just
in just background noise. I think that's what they listed me on IMDb,
just background noise of wrestlers. But anyways, you know that's huge for marketing,
you know. So that may sound silly, but I'm telling you that
kind of stuff matters because that could open him up to a new audience that
would never tune in to watch him because they don't care. And by the
way, it sounds silly to do a docuseries and put it on streaming network
about the brother that's not successful, right, I mean, I mean Bobby
Hurley. Uh, I mean, I don't know, I'm not sure.
I mean, obviously, when I think of Bobby Hurley, I think of
his playing days back when he was a duke. Of course I was very
young when he played it. I mean, in fact, you know that
was when I was a baby, but I remember, you know, I
remember he was one of the original dookies, right, one of the guys
you just kind of loved to hate. But as a head coach, you
know, he's been very good at all. He's never won a tournament game.
He's only been to the tournament three times in his what looks to be
nine years at Arizona State. But I'll tell you this. Their location,
Tempe, Arizona. I mean, that's believed to be the hardest campus to
attend as a young man on a visit. And I'm not even talking about
an athlete. I'm talking like just you know, let's say you just make
your way over to the Arizona State campus. You're gonna want to go there
because of you know, the what you see beautiful place in a variety of
ways, but also these kind of shows. It's not I mean, like
no offense to to Danny Hurley, but like he you know, I think
he's interesting enough, but like I don't think he's like a big character.
His brother Bobby is a character, and that matters more for television way like
Danny Hurley. It would be cool for me because I'm a college basketball junkie,
so like to see the behind the scenes stuff of Yukon and to see
him in practice, Like I would eat that up. But that's because I
love college basketball. Danny Hurley, I'm sorry, Bobby Hurley is somebody that
I mean like he's he's more of a character. So Jade Quainton's off the
board. He's going to arizon A State. So uh, we'll talk about
some other names to keep an eye on. Obviously, Louisville has a visit
scheduled with O Sibor, and who knows, maybe he doesn't even end up
here because he might commit to Kentucky while he's visiting. But we shall see.
That would be a big addition. And now Lousvill's got more money to
give him because they didn't give any to Jade Quaintons. So keep it locked
right here what I want to do. On the other side, we'll take
a look at this Penny Boon situation. Doesn't look good for that young man
and Kentucky. Since we wrapped up the show Friday, I believe they added
two more players, so slowly but surely. Mark Stoops's roster is is,
you know, getting put together all right? If you want to join us
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all right, So in total, it looks like there were four. Yeah,
I thought there may have been five, but four former Louisville Cardinals heard
their name called this weekend in the draft. First was Haisa Grindo going in
the fourth round to the San Francisco forty nine ers. Jarvis Brownlee in the
fifth round, which I think he slipped a little bit further than what a
lot of people were projecting, but he's with the Titans at the number one
forty six overall pick. And then Jamari Thrash in the fifth round as well,
going to the Cleveland Browns one fifty six overall, and then Juar Jordan
was taken in the sixth round by the Houston Texans, which surprised me a
little bit. I mean, I think Juar Jordan's going to have a chance
to really show what he can do in the NFL. Kind of a unique
back to where you know, he's just he's injured, and I shouldn't say
he's injured a lot, but you know, he's just to me, he
doesn't necessarily look exactly like a guy that could be a feat you know,
a guy that you really I think Grindo could be somebody that, you know,
as long as he stays healthy. And you know, sometimes running backs
just kind of fall off the cliff, right, you know, they they
could productivest can be for three years and then the year four they're just done.
I mean, that's just kind of unfortunately, that's how it's worked for
a lot of these guys. But I think Gorendo could more so be that,
be that guy, whereas Jordan, you know, I'd love to see
him on special teams returning kicks, and you know, who knows, Maybe
maybe I'm wrong, Maybe he does carve out a nice role there with the
Texans. But I think a lot of folks as we get closer to the
draft thought he may in fact be an undrafted free agent, but the Texans
take him in the sixth round. So Brian Hudson signed with the Detroit Lions,
Stormed Duck with the Dolphins. Jack Plumber signed with the Panthers, col
of old lineman Eric Miller signing with the Bengals, and then Willie Miller signing
with the Jets. So some good representation there in the NFL draft, and
and who knows, sometimes guys who don't get drafted end up making the making
the roster, and I know there's there's uh, there's the belief that when
you don't get drafted in the seventh round, you know, you then can
field offers and decide what makes the most sense for you. And that is
an advantage when it comes to you know, knowing where you feel like you
would be more competitive at, knowing where you feel like you'd have a better
chance to make that roster. But what people fail to realize is that you
know, if in fact, you make the roster and they cut somebody that
they drafted in the seventh round, sometimes look sometimes that that's what needs to
happen, because that's I mean, the end of the day, you got
to find the best players on the team, or you gotta find the best
players to put on the team. But that's also a GM admitting that they
you know that they didn't they failed in the draft, Right, they're gonna
like, let a guy go they picked, and then keep a guy that
they I mean, it happens from time to time, but it's just something
I rarely hear people mention. But yeah, let's move back on. Well,
actually, let's stick with football here. By the way, it's Coffee
and Company. We are feel about Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven ninety.
Thanks for hanging out with us. Happy Derby weeked everybody, but Penny Boon.
That's a name we've talked about quite a bit in the last month or
so just because of the departure. He decided to hit the transfer portal,
you know, as soon as it opened up. And this is a guy
who showed up in December into December whenever, it was, maybe early January,
right, transferred following his last season there at Toledo. Was a nice
addition for Louisville. Right, one of the reasons He's not the only reason,
but one of the reasons why they were viewed as a team that had
put together a really good class. I think they were ranked in the top
ten just about everywhere. When it comes to the transfer portal. He was
a part of that. And after I think it was three practices in the
spring and maybe less than three months on campus he decided to hit the portal
again. And the reason, unfortunately, this is like, this is not
this is not new. I mean, I'm I should say this is not
rare. There are many players across the country in college football that after spring
ball they hit the portal and they were just in the portal in December.
So it's not just Louisville and it's not just Penny Boone. But what made
Penny Boone be discussed a little bit more than others is because of the exit.
Right. I mean, he said he was standing owned business. He
did did let us know that? And I assume that means he either I
mean, you could take that a lot of ways. Right, he either
feels as if he shouldn't got he should have gotten more money up front.
Maybe he feels like he's done enough since he's been there to where he should
be getting more money than he agreed to. I don't know, but clearly
he had some some issues with the nil finances and you know, and then
he posted some stuff from clips from spring practice and you know, just didn't
didn't exit here with anybody feeling like the experience was mutually beneficial at all.
Right, Like Louisville wasted their time, wasted some nil money with this guy
who showed up, practiced a few times, and left and then on his
way out, you know, he I don't even know what the best way
to describe that whole situation would be, but he took he took some shots
on the way out. I suppose. Well, now it turns out that
Penny Boon may have nowhere else to go other than Louisville. So this is
unfortunate, and I mean this sincerely. I don't I'm not saying that,
you know, he's a victim in all this, because at the end of
the day, you know your actions, your decisions, you know, you
got to live with them. But a lot of people seem to think that
he's just getting advice from a really bad agent. So here's what's happened.
He hit the portal. He had a visit I think scheduled as soon as
he hit the portal, probably even before he was in the portal, because
that's how it works, to go to Washington, Right, He's gonna go
to Seattle. Well, I think the folks at Washington, on their end
are doing their homework looking at this guy, probably interested in him, right,
he's a good player. But then they realize, you know, there's
no like, we can't do it. And I'm assuming it's because of academics.
And I don't mean that he's got like a terrible you know, transcript
and he can't get into school because he's got allows e Gpa. But you
have to be able to transfer in go you have to be able to transfer
in attempting to obtain a degree at that school. You know that when you're
all over the place, right, like he was at Louisville for a semester,
right, he was here. In fact, you know, maybe he's
doing his coursework now this semester online because I don't think he's actually here in
Louisville, but you know he's enrolled at UL. Well, it's not common
for people to bounce all across the country and transfer schools at this rate unless
you know you're in this position. You're a football player trying to make money.
So there's schools he can't get into. Not again, not because he's
a terrible student, because it's just it doesn't it's not compatible. I'm not
sure if that's what happened at Ole Miss, but I'd believe it. So
then it turned into he was going to go to Kentucky. Right Well,
now it's come out that he will not be able to go to Kentucky.
Nick Roush of KSR reported this over the weekend. I believe that he won't
be transferring, and that's where he mean. In fact, I think he
committed essentially, But it's an academic credit hour issue. So I'm sure he
could find a spot somewhere. But you know, when you're at Toledo for
three years, two years, maybe you start at Maryland, then you're at
Lowell for a semester. You know you've got some kind of concoction of credit
hours there, right, So how does that? You know, how does
that? You probably can't take all that with you. I don't know how
it works. Trust me, I'm aware of how dumb I sound even trying
to mention the whole credit transfer kind of thing. But athletes are learning this
as we speak. So we'll get into it later on the basketball side,
because there's a lot of these kids that and there's one visiting Kentucky right now,
Kobe Brea, I believe that's his name, Kobe Brea. He's dating
Sharpshooter. Well, he was down to like five of the blue bloods,
right, he was considering Kansas, Duke, Yukon, Kentucky, and North
Carolina, I believe. Well then he just was down to two schools,
Duke and Yukon. Well he canceled his visit to Duke, and it I
think it's I think it's because of the you know, he can't get into
school there. So now Kentucky's back in the mix and he's visiting as we
speak, So you know, I could benefit Kentucky could really work out.
But these guys hit the portal not even thinking about that, because to be
fair, I don't want act as if none of these guys actually go to
school and are you know, taking their education seriously. But let's be real.
They clearly can you know it, probably can get away with some things
academically and have situations on the academic side that others don't have. And that's
been going on forever. But what's new here is all this bouncing around from
two different schools, and I think that's gonna make it to where you're gonna
see these dudes be recruited. And then I don't know if it goes to
the admissions office of where it ends up. But these guys could be deep
into the recruitment feeling like they're about to make a decision, then find out
you can't get into school here. So I would imagine Penny Boon academically would
be able to come back to Louisville and play I can get into school because
he's actually still a student here. But I just have a hard time I'm
seeing Jeff Brohm welcome him back in if he decided to do it, I
would trust him because I would think that he would he would feel comfortable that
this, you know, wouldn't turn into a bad locker room situation. But
just given the optics of everything that played out, especially now that we know
that he apparently, you know, got wind of you know, some of
these dudes on their way out yapping about money. And I really don't know
the source of it. I've been asked about it, I've seen it.
I have no information that you know more than anybody else. But there was
somebody in the Louisville locker room, like in the spring game, doing a
like being videoed, like posing in their uniform doing L's down and I think
that as some people thinking that like players came here just to take money and
leave. And I have no clue who that even was that would do that,
but I just I wouldn't imagine that Jeff Brohm would welcome this guy back
because it didn't sound like it was. I mean, it didn't sound like
it was anything other than a messy situation that you know, they want they
want. I think they wanted him to be on the team. They wouldn't
like they were looking for him, you know, to leave because they didn't
think he was good enough. They thought he was a bad guy. But
you know, there's no doubt about it, Penny Boone and his agent,
if you want to call him that. To me, there's no scenario they
ever thought they'd be in the situation where they don't really have any other options
right now. So maybe he can go back to Toledo, I don't know,
and that this will be a guy that you know, went through the
whole transfer portal situation, took some money through ANIL and ended up backing the
MAC. But it is unfortunate. But I think, you know, maybe
if this thing, if it ends up to where he's got no other options,
and he has to go back to Toledo because Louisville won't take him back.
I think it could be an example for college athletes moving forward to not
trust agents who like aren't really agents. I mean, I saw somebody put
this out there the other day, and I thought it was totally true.
I mean, you've got these buddies, pals, friends of these athletes that
you know are just graduating with a sports management degree, and they call themselves
anil agents and they're telling their clients to turn down fifty K with nothing on
the table. So they're just turning that down as if they're going to get
these bigger and better offers, and you know, it could ruin your career.
And you know, I think some of these young you know, some
of these especially guys of Penny Boone situation right now. I don't know Penny
Boone at all, but like he's he's in the MAC. It's not as
if he's a guy that has been viewed as this, you know, like
he probably hasn't had a real agent ever. Well now you know, probably
some dude DM and M on Twitter telling me he wants to represent him,
and you want to have an agent, right because you want to feel.
Hey, he talked to my agent like you're you're a big dog, right,
You're important, you matter, you want to get the deal done.
Talk to my agent like it's a flex right. Well, these guys don't
know what the hell they're doing, and they're taking twenty percent, which is
just insane compared to what an actual agent would take. But there are many
players across the country, I think, in both sports basketball football, that
have probably really ruined some potentially good situations because they're listening to somebody that doesn't
know what the hell they're doing. And I don't you know, I don't
know Penny Boon's agent at all, but I'd say he's getting some advice and
some guidance from this agent, and I think every bit of advice that he's
ran with in the last few weeks has been not good advice. So we'll
see. I'd be highly shocked if he is back at Louisville. But again,
if if he is, I would say that means the Jeff Brohm trust
that it's, you know, a good move for the team. All right,
let's take a quick break. We'll come back on the other side.
Keep this thing rolling along. Take our first look at this this let's see
here. Yeah, the twenty twenty four Kentucky Derby one point fifty Derby Barnstable
Brown actually butchered the name. It's the Barnstable Brown Derby Eve Gala. I
think a lot of people just call it the Barnstable Party. But either way,
it's a big deal and there's a lot of celebrities that have been invited
and they're going to be there and we'll talk about some of those and lets
you hear your first Derby Derby profile from Jody Dimlings. So stick with us
right here. It's Coffee and Company feel by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety
John, did you happen to see the tweet from the Louisville Bats yesterday,
the one that was throwing shade at Kenny Payne? Yeah? I did see
that. I mean I was surprised by that. I mean I wasn't bothered
by it. In fact, you know, it was well done. I'm
just curious the level of screening that gets within the organization that is the Louisville
Bats. I mean they have, you know, a marketing president and probably
just a social media team and whoever thought of it, you know, shout
out to him for those who missed it. The louis of Bats they tweeted
this yesterday morning. The Bats won their thirteenth game of the season last night,
and it had the it had admin thinking thought it was supposed to take
three to four years to do so, and then the emoji with the perplexed
look. That's a shot at Kenny Payne clearly, and I just didn't see
it coming, you know what I mean. Kenny Payne's catching strays from the
Triple A affiliate here in Louisville. It does make you wonder who thought out
the tweet for sure. It's got to be a Louisville fan, right,
yes, And you know, I'm just here. I am thinking, like,
you know, the brass over there, like Greg Galliett has any say
so, which I would assume that he mean, he has say so,
but I would assume like he wouldn't be involved in that because you know,
he's one of the higher ups. But I can I'm just imagining it getting
up to like their boss, their boss's boss, and everybody kind of being
like, go ahead, right, like who cares he's gone he sucked anyway?
I mean, could you imagine if something like that came out while he
was still the head coach, Oh, it would. I mean it's it
would have been great. But like you know, I'm not saying it should
have, just saying it would have been even more should have because I mean
it's it's I'm about to just have a spasm and just you know, lose
you just block out, and I can't. It still doesn't seem real that
that whole thing happened, that he was here for two years and was as
bad as he was, said the things he said. I mean, it
was just we knew Louisville was going to be in much better shape than they
had a new coach, and we also knew that, you know, doing
the little things that matter a whole lot. Well, actually just make us
if we ever do have that brief moment of thinking about the nightmare that was
the two year Kenny Payne era, it'll just make it even more maddening and
insane to think that that happened. And that's that's what just happened to me.
So yeah, shout out to the Louisville Bats. All right, before
we get to the first derby horse profile that we're going to give you,
throughout the week. Jody Dimmling does a great job of giving us, in
my opinion, what we need to know right Like, you know, I'm
sure there's more information out there, but these are about two to three minutes
clips that have story, the story of the horse, each horse that's in
the race here. So I've heard people tell me over the years that they've
listened to these and that's helped them make their decision. I don't know if
you've won, if you've picked a horse based off something you heard and you
learned during this during these profiles, but you know, good luck to you
if you decide to make a wager. But let's take a look at this
this guest list here. We'll start with the name Cole Hauser. You know
who that is? I don't. I don't either, but I'm gonna guess
he's a baseball player. But then again, baseball season's going on, so
that can't be it. You have a guess, I don't, but I
see why you would think that. There used to be a U of L
player named Kyle Funkhouser, which is a very similar sounding name. So now
I feel like a real idiot because I know this guy I've seen him in
a lot of stuff, but I would have I wouldn't have known his I
would not have known his his legal name. In fact, I would have
never guessed it if you'd have told me Rip Wheeler from Yellowstone, if you'd
have told me that, like his name was what, I could have guessed
for hours and never known his real name. He's been in some other things
too, but obviously he became like, you know, a heart throb as
a Rip Wheeler on Yellowstone to show that is that still going on? I
mean, I think it's over. I've not seen it, but I know
it was really popular. It was so popular for a while, and I
enjoyed it, but in the later seasons I kind of felt like, all
right, they're just clearly they're not really going in any direction. They're just
kind of taking advantage of the fact that, you know, they've got a
lot of people listening. So yeah, uh, if I saw him,
i'd know exactly who it is. I'd say, that's Ripped from Yellowstone.
And he also had some other some other roles that like, he was in
Too Fast, Too Furious, if you remember, which you know was now
twenty something year old movie. He was in the breakup with Vince Vaughn.
I remember that role that he had, so I'd say mostly he's not known
for this, and he's going to be there, so Rip. And by
the way, if he like is out and about in Louisville like people,
I wouldn't be shocked if there's people who were in love with him, like
women, but they may not. Like, they're not going to call him
cold, They're gonna call him rip, which I'm sure he gets that a
lot because that's you know what he's known as. Rip. All right,
let's do our first Derby horse. Here the profile and this is which one
is this? John Domestic Product, Domestic Product. Let's hear it now,
look at the Kentucky Derby field one by one. Domestic Product. Hall of
Fame trainer Chad Brown has one of the Kentucky Derby favorites in his barn,
in the Bluegras Stakes winner Sierra Leone. But don't forget the other horse in
Brown's barn. Brown likes to remind people that Tampa Bay Derby winner Domestic Product,
is on the improve and has a real shot to capture the roses.
He's coming off a nice wind and he's been training better than ever, and
I think when everybody sees this horse training out this week, I'm gonna have
a lot of questions about him because he looks good. The dark Brown Bay
son of Practical Joke. Domestic Product is trained by Brown, will be ridden
by Irad Ortiz and his own by Clarevitch Stable. Domestic Product has two wins
at a second place finish in five career starts. He broke his maiden in
his second career start in October at Aqueduct, then finished a disappointing seventh,
beaten by sixteen on a muddy track in the Remsen Steakes on December second.
Brown opted to give Domestic Product another chance, and the colt repaid him,
finishing second, beating Kentucky Derby favorite Fierceness, who was third in the Holy
Bull Stakes on February third at Gulfstream Park. Brown then shipped Domestic Product to
Tampa Bay, where he won the Tampa Bay Derby by neck on March the
ninth. That means Domestic Product will come into the Kentucky Derby on an eight
week layoff. No horse has won the Derby since nineteen twenty two after more
than a seven week layoff, but that doesn't bother Brown. Brown believes he
has a horse that can capture the roses. He's done super this horse.
It's given an incredible impression Galfin on the track since he shipped up from South
Florida. I like the fact this horse is fresh, that he hasn't had
a race right on top of this one. He's a horse that needed a
little bit of time to recover and that race to really move forward. And
he is definitely in the picture of this race. The way he's training