WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:02.439 He must have known the people who were going to talk to him. He 2 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:06.000 stopped his car. He had some groceries, some fish from the fish market 3 00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:12.199 and on the passenger seat, and they opened up on him and shot him 4 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:33.399 a whole bunch of times and killed him. Hey, guys, I got 5 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:41.280 a story today that is phenomenal. I was talking about a guy, Jimmy 6 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:51.159 Rotunda, who became the underboss of the Decavalcanti family. When I was starting 7 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:59.000 to talk about him and his story, Peanuts asked me questions like who was 8 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:04.480 he and how did you know him? And it really woke me up to 9 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:10.239 my first meeting with him and why it happened. So this is going to 10 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:15.359 be a long, complicated story. You have to follow us closely. There's 11 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:23.799 a lot of twists and turns in it. So how does this story start? 12 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:34.719 Where do I start it? Jimmy Rotanda became the underbuss of the Cavalcanti 13 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:42.680 family. One day when he was going home, he stopped his car. 14 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:46.040 He had a Lincoln that he used to drive. I know him very well, 15 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:49.480 and you'll see why and how he must have known the people who were 16 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.200 going to talk to him. He stopped his car. He had some groceries, 17 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:59.000 some fish from the fish market on the passenger seat, and they opened 18 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:04.239 up and shot him a whole bunch of times and killed him. It was 19 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:12.599 an underboss. Me and John Gotti went to the funeral. John Riggy was 20 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:19.000 the boss of the Decvalcanti family at that time, was at the funeral. 21 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:25.240 He took me and John on the site and he told us that he was 22 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:31.000 super concerned if they could take out the under boss. I'm probably next. 23 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:37.199 Really shooken up by this. A lot of people at the funeral. We 24 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:42.759 talked to him on the site. John said, listen, don't worry about 25 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:47.479 it. We got your back. The de Cavalcanti family don't have a commission 26 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:52.840 seat. The five New York families have a seat. Each one of them 27 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:55.840 have a seat. That's the commission. So we were going to represent him. 28 00:02:55.919 --> 00:03:01.599 John was going to represent him at the commission investigate this hit. And 29 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:07.000 he felt really comfortable with that. He already knew how close I was with 30 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:15.080 Jimmy Rotunda because of a lot of things. And you'll see. We left 31 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:22.800 the funeral, and I understand that John had a commission meeting. I wasn't 32 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:29.759 there, but he had told the commission asked them who did this? Nobody 33 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:35.439 seemed to know. It was obviously a sneak hit, could have been internal. 34 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:39.719 We didn't know what it was. Nobody knew what it was, but 35 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:47.560 we were on god to try to find out who did this. So I'm 36 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:53.400 gonna go back to when I met him and why and how, me my 37 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:57.199 Gumbada, Alley Boy, and Louis Melito. I'm not going to get too 38 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.719 in depth with this because you heard this story. We're indicted with a guy 39 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:09.560 named Larry Martiri. None of us, including Larry Marty, supposedly at that 40 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:15.480 time, said he knew anything about it. But later we found out when 41 00:04:15.480 --> 00:04:19.560 we were out on bail we were about to fight the case. It took 42 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:28.759 a long time. Then he knew everything about it. The witness, a 43 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:35.160 guy named Michael Hardy, is the guy who talked about this whole case, 44 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:43.480 how we all got indicted all for us. I refresh your recollection with Michael 45 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:47.839 Hardy. He's the guy who would give He knew Louis Melito very well. 46 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:55.240 He would give us stick ups. The story the hostage gone bed where the 47 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:59.800 girl jumped on my chest and we went in and took this group. Michael 48 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:03.759 he gave us that robber and many many more and me and Ali Boy would 49 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:20.560 commit them. So Michael Hardy's story was that he was in a pizzeria and 50 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:33.839 Corney Allen and the case was that he sat down with Mimmi Scala, a 51 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:41.600 captain, a very dangerous captain in the Colombo family, and these Dune brothers 52 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:46.959 owed Mimi money and they didn't pay him. Some bullshit story like that. 53 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:51.720 Supposedly, this is Michael Hardy's story that Louis Melito came into that meeting, 54 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:59.879 was called in by Mimmi. Mimmi said he was going to pay him money 55 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:05.199 to have the Dune brothers killed, but not Both of them won and he 56 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:15.040 gave his name. Michael Hardy tells Mimmy that Louise got a couple of guys 57 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:19.199 around him, good friends of his that are shooters, Sammy the Bolt and 58 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:32.480 Ali Boy. Como. This is on our indictment. Now, none of 59 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.000 us knew what was going on. It was really hard to fight the case. 60 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:41.439 I didn't think of a video about this too. I wound up beating 61 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:46.160 it. Then we come to find out why did he do this? Why 62 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:56.040 did Michael Hardy do this? Michael Hardy is in prison on other charges. 63 00:06:57.079 --> 00:07:00.759 Some guy was banging his wife. He was on the lamb. He comes 64 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:05.920 back in, knocks on the guy's door and shoots him four five times and 65 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:15.439 kills him. He goes after this guy with Larry Marty, one of Larry 66 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:21.800 Marty's best friends, right hand man. He snatches him. He brings him 67 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:27.920 in an apartment, ties him in a bad tub to the stop to the 68 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:32.079 shower, tied up like this, turns the hot water on full blast. 69 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:41.680 He wants information from him. He's beating him with a gun and he's being 70 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:47.199 cooked with this hot water. The guy is screaming, moaning, crying. 71 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:51.959 He says, I'm going to give you one more chance. It's a long 72 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:58.120 barrel gun. He sticks the barrel up his ass all the way up. 73 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:07.959 The guy literally is fainting's passing out. He yanks the gun out and all 74 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:13.199 his intestines or whatever it is, just rips him apart. Leaves him in 75 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:20.680 there so badly beaten, burnt, bleeding from the rector. He leaves him 76 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:28.480 for dead. The guy don't die. He survives, goes to the hospital. 77 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:33.759 God knows how long he's in the hospital, but he tells Larry Martery. 78 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:39.799 Larry Morty gets in touch with him, he's always had a connection with 79 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:46.919 him, and tells him that he has a big score, that he needs 80 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:54.639 him, and he makes an appointment to meet him somewhere. Michael Hardy comes 81 00:08:54.679 --> 00:09:00.559 into that meeting. He's arrested by a slew of detectives. Were guns out. 82 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:05.080 He got sucked into a meeting and Larry Mortey has actually set him up. 83 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:11.639 It's ratting, and the guy who got tortured he's going to testify against 84 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:22.480 them. Michael Hardy calls me from a prison and tells me I need your 85 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:31.399 help. I know prison phones are monitored. I'm not stupid, so I 86 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.559 said, how could I help you? And he says, I need you 87 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:41.039 to kill Larry Morty and go after the kid's name, the guys and the 88 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:45.600 other guy's name, Molly Torture. I said, listen, I have no 89 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:50.679 idea what the fuck you're talking about. I don't do stupid shit like that. 90 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:54.679 You must be playing right, you're joking with me. I want to 91 00:09:54.679 --> 00:10:00.120 talk into that microphone. I'm gonna show I have nothing to do in out 92 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:01.679 that. I don't know what he's talking about. I know it's being taped. 93 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:05.960 So I'm not going to just hang up on him. So I'm saying, 94 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:07.080 listen, I would help you. But I don't even know what you're 95 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:11.679 talking about, and I don't do things like that, Bro, I don't 96 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:16.159 know why you would say that to me. He's talking a little bit more. 97 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:20.360 I talked a little bit more, and then I said hello, Hello, 98 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:26.159 Hello, and I hang up so they could keep that tape and stick 99 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:33.399 it up in their ass whoever's listening on the other But I called Louis Melito 100 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:39.519 an alley boy, and I tell both of them, this guy lost his 101 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:41.080 mind. Bro. This is what he told me on the phone in the 102 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:48.720 prison, on the fucking tape. Don't answer the phone if he calls now 103 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:52.919 we were doing robberies with him, don't do it. Something's radically wrong for 104 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:56.480 him to talk like that. Make your wife answer the phone, both of 105 00:10:56.519 --> 00:11:01.600 them. I'm tone, and if it's him, all she's got to do 106 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:07.360 is say, listen, he's not home and hang up on him. Unbeknownst 107 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:13.320 to me, one of our phones is bugged. We didn't say nothing wrong. 108 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.240 I didn't say nothing wrong. So nobody's gonna get pinched, nobody's gonna 109 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:20.960 get hurt. But here's what the cops do. They take that tape, 110 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:28.919 they bring it to him and they show him this tape. Oh, this 111 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.840 fucking Sammy. I called him up for helpe, and look, he's double 112 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:39.679 cross at me. He's mad at me, Louis and Ali Bud. So 113 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:48.360 he makes up this fictitious story to get out of prison. Now he cooperates 114 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.639 with the government that it's not the government's a state it was a state case, 115 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:58.799 and tells him this fictitious story. It took a long time to find 116 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:05.720 this all out, about this meeting and about the dumb brothers. Now he 117 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.120 also puts Mimi in it. Mimmy's this powerful, vicious captain in the Colombo 118 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:13.720 family. So when I told this story, I never told you about Mimmy, 119 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:20.120 But I'm telling you about him now he's on my indictment. So four 120 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:22.159 of us are on this indictment, not just me. Ali Boy and Louie 121 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:26.519 were in jail, but Mammy wasn't in jail. God knows where he was 122 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.919 in prison. Me, Louie and Ali Boy talked every time Mammy gets arrested, 123 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:39.679 and he's got a case before he goes to trial. His co defenders 124 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:43.919 just seemed to disappear, he gets rid of them, he has a better 125 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:50.200 chance at a case he kills them. That just going on the lamb. 126 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:54.320 That God, he's got a habit of doing that. We knew that, 127 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:03.440 We talked about it. What are we gonna do, Bro, Not only 128 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:09.480 we don't know about this case, but this fucking guy, we can't just 129 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:13.840 sit around, bro, really disappear. So we agreed in prison. As 130 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:18.960 soon as we get out, we're gonna make him disappear. We're gonna reverse 131 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:22.600 this. We're not gonna wait to be killed because he don't trust us. 132 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.759 Fuck him, We're gonna kill him. We make a pack amongst the three 133 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:35.159 of us, and we're gonna kill him. Unbeknownst to us because of his 134 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:41.240 viciousness and killing people on the record off the record, the Colombo family had 135 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:46.840 already killed him before the indictment, and he was missing, so his days 136 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.960 of making people missing, he became missing unbeknownst to us. At that point. 137 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:58.799 We will concerned when we got out, where is he? What is 138 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:05.320 he thinking? We got a nudge. He ain't thinking nothing, Bro, 139 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:13.639 He's missing. He ain't coming back. Music twer is now. All we 140 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:16.120 had to do is fight a state case. That we had no fucking clue 141 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:26.879 what went on. We had fifty two court appearances. They said, separated 142 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:31.320 the trials. Larry Montery went our trial alone, and then they were gonna 143 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:37.080 have a trial with me, Ali Boy and Louis leto two separate trials. 144 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:43.720 Larry beat the case, had money high, asked lawyers. He beat the 145 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:52.039 case. We were on there and we beat the case. But we knew 146 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:56.919 all the details, like I'm telling you now. Back then, I knew 147 00:14:56.919 --> 00:15:03.240 it like I know it right now. Case over. My Gumbada Alley Boy 148 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:07.360 was with the Genevese people. He was with this guy, Joey Mann was 149 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:11.559 a made guy. My Gumbardo wasn't made. And Joey Man's captain. I 150 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:16.600 forgot his name. This is in seventy three, seventy four, some place. 151 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:22.039 I forgot his name. They took him down. He was replaced with 152 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:28.200 a guy named Tommy Lombardo, who took became the captain. When he died, 153 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:35.200 Sally Doggs became the captain. But that's all not that important. What 154 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:41.480 is important is the case is over. We celebrate. Ali Boys got to 155 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:48.000 go to his people. Me and Louis Belito in the Gambino family. We're 156 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:54.279 gonna go to Tatto. Toto's super happy we beat this case. I mean, 157 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:56.559 he did everything to help us. He was sick that we were on 158 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:00.440 this fucking drug, and he knew and leaved every minute of it that we 159 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:04.759 didn't know what the fuck was going on. There was no reason for us 160 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:10.919 to hide from him. We did work, there was no reason to hide, 161 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:17.440 and he was super happy. So me and Louis met with him and 162 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:22.919 we said, listen, case over, everybody's happy. We tell him the 163 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:26.879 whole entire story were told to him in stages. He knew in different pieces. 164 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:33.759 We want to kill Labrymntery. He may believe he didn't know what was 165 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:40.519 going on. He set the guy up with his guy. We know all 166 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:44.879 the whole story. If he would have and he never told us, he 167 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:47.840 would have never took We would have found been found guilty. We would have 168 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:52.759 been life without parole with the state and never even knew why. We want 169 00:16:52.759 --> 00:17:00.519 to kill him. Who's he with? He's with the de Cavalcanti family. 170 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:10.599 He's with this guy, his name is Danny Nunziato. Him and this guy 171 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:15.480 Corky. Remember Corky. I did a thing about him a while ago. 172 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:19.039 Corky wasn't a big guy at that point, but he was a very powerful 173 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:23.680 guy. He was Danny Nunziato's brother in law. So Totto's gonna call for 174 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:30.960 a sitdown. The Genevese people get in touch with Totto because of Alley Boy. 175 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:37.720 We'll give you the lead. Whatever you come to an agreement with them, 176 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:42.559 I'm in it. If you get you want to usually gonna get wind 177 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:47.480 them sit down and kill this guy. I'll give Alley Boy permission to work 178 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:52.359 with Sammy and Louis. Ali Boy is with us now in these conversations, 179 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:56.559 and Tato's heading in. Danny Nunziato is a may guy. Tattle's a captain. 180 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:02.519 So Danny's gonna come down with his captain. Who is his captain, 181 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:07.359 Jimmy will Tardler. At that time, he wasn't the underboss. He was 182 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:15.680 a captain, and he came down real nice guy, great guy, great 183 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:23.680 reputation. Gentlemen. Tyler and them talk. There isn't enough evidence for us 184 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:29.839 to kill him. Their argument is he stood up. He's not a rat. 185 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:33.920 He stood up, he went to trial. He didn't set him up. 186 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:40.119 That's a lie. Maybe the kid who got snatched, did it. 187 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:45.400 He's blaming, always blaming somebody else. Anyway, we lose the sit down, 188 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:52.000 we lose the decision. Tyler agrees, he is went through hell. 189 00:18:53.240 --> 00:19:00.119 It's over. Let's end it. Stay away from this lobry mantea. The 190 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:06.680 answer is no. Told my gumba Allei boy, and go back and talk 191 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:11.640 to your people and tell him that's what I ruled for us. Alley Boy 192 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.079 said he here. They already agree. Whatever you're ruling is they about, 193 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:21.200 they'll abide by it. So I'm not gonna be hon it either. And 194 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:26.119 that's how I met Jimmy Rotunda. That's the whole story leading up to Jimmy 195 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:33.400 rotunda is death. But there's a little bit more after that. That was 196 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:37.359 in seventy four and seventy six. I got made. I believe he was 197 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:45.640 killed in eighty eight something like that. Within that time frame, me and 198 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:52.839 him became very friendly. As soon as he heard I got made, he 199 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:56.119 sent for me, and he became He wasn't the captain, number was the 200 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:03.000 under boss. Call me congratulations seventy six. These guys are good guys. 201 00:20:03.079 --> 00:20:07.440 Bro stood up. You did the right thing, and then you did the 202 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:12.640 right thing asking for this guy's life. But you know, some things you 203 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:18.960 know don't always go your way, and you took it like men. And 204 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:23.000 I told him that's why we're here, respective of life. And then I 205 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:29.079 got a little stronger and started playing with unions and construction and all of these 206 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:34.839 things. And he was very powerful with unions, the long Shoreman's Union. 207 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:41.279 We had a good hunker at he had it in Jersey, and I became 208 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:47.279 more and more powerful and more and more friendly with him. He had a 209 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:55.559 concrete He had a company that was a concrete company in Coney Allen. We 210 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:03.559 the New York families controlled the concrete companies. You weren't allowed in from Jersey. 211 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.119 You weren't allowed in. This guy was in Coney Allen with a small, 212 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:11.000 little bullshit company. We allowed it to stay there. But you can't 213 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:18.400 grow. You can't become one of the big guys. He wanted to become 214 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.440 a little bit bigger. And he said, Sammy, could you help me 215 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:29.319 with the whole group. You have the families and everybody. You're very strong 216 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:33.400 with Paul with the concrete. I don't want to become one of the big 217 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:38.400 guys, my guy, but I would love for him to expand a little 218 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:44.400 bit, and it's not really going to take anything off of anybody's plate. 219 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:52.680 I liked them, and I said, Jimmy, let me think about it, 220 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:57.680 let me see what I could do. I had a meeting with people 221 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:03.680 from the Lokazi family, the Colombo family. Colombo family had pretty good relationships 222 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:07.839 with so I said, listen, it's a good guy. It's a small 223 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:15.200 little company in Coney Island. I think it's actually part of bensonhist Brooklyn. 224 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:22.200 I'll make him expand in Benson Heist Brooklyn, I'll make him expand. And 225 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:29.119 people want to do a concrete job at sidewalk patio, small jobs. He 226 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:33.559 won't bid big jobs. So it's really not taking nothing away from us a 227 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:40.440 little bit maybe, And who's taken away from the most is me because I'm 228 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:47.000 in Benson Heist so Be He'll be infringing on my turf a little bit, 229 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:55.079 and I don't mind. I think we should be. I convinced them that's 230 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:56.839 the way you fail, Sammy, and you're gonna get right more than anybody 231 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:00.720 else. It's not really hurt, you're gonna it was a little bit of 232 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:07.960 the party crumbs to me, I felt. So they agreed. Paul was 233 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:11.720 aware and Todd I was aware of what I was doing in my conversations at 234 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:15.599 all at all times. They always were. I never did things off the 235 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:21.839 record or things on my own. I went back to Paul and told them. 236 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:26.319 Paul, they agreed, this is what I could do, and I 237 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:30.240 would make them expand a little bit. Small jobs. You're gonna hurt nobody, 238 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:34.519 you know, and it'll be an hour area of my area. It'll 239 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:38.599 be a little less to me, a little less to you. That's great, 240 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:42.720 Sammy. I love that negotiation, the way you did it and handled 241 00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:47.400 it. The guy is an under boss, even though they're not under commission 242 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:55.119 the guys are under boss. Great. Great, so I expanded. So 243 00:23:55.160 --> 00:24:03.200 I had an ongoing relationship whatever. After Paul was gone, John became the 244 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:08.160 boss and a lot of good things were done back and forth, and John 245 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:15.079 appreciated that I have this real close, tight relationship with an under boss of 246 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:19.000 another family. They became very close to us. Like I said, as 247 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:25.640 soon as he was killed, he went right up John's behind, riggy. 248 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:30.920 He was like our little puppy, good boy, nice boy. I don't 249 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:36.200 want to belittle him, but that's what it is. That's what happened. 250 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:41.680 So John was happy, not only before he died, that I had a 251 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:47.759 connection with them, a strong connection, but that we were if we needed 252 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:49.960 help on the piers. We ran a good part of the piers, but 253 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:55.039 Jersey and some peers, they ran stuff out there, so it was a 254 00:24:55.119 --> 00:25:00.839 help to us. So he liked all of those connects. But now he 255 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:07.519 was dead. So that's how I know jim by Rotunda. His son was 256 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:11.440 a made guy. He made him. He was a made guy after his 257 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.119 father's death. I became a little friendly with him, not too much, 258 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:22.359 but a little bit, because I was close with his dad and he knew 259 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:29.519 it. A while later he became a captain. So that's how I know 260 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:33.960 Jim by Rotunda. His son was a mad guy. He made him. 261 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:41.200 He was a made guy after his father's death. I became a little friendly 262 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:45.000 with him, not too much, but a little bit because I was close 263 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:52.039 with his dad and he knew it. A while later he became a captain. 264 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:03.400 A while after that he flipped and cooperated with the government and he left 265 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:11.160 the life. Obviously him and this guy Vinnie Green. The story would become 266 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:19.200 so complicated. Even the Weiss murder involves the Cavalcanti family and all stuff like 267 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:23.039 that. I did videos on that, so I'm not gonna go in all 268 00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:29.880 of those areas. But I was going to do the small story with Jimmy 269 00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:33.880 Rotunda. I was going to tighten it up a little bit, but I 270 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:38.759 thought it was interesting to tell the whole story. Now I very rarely check 271 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:45.799 myself, but I wanted to check. I did check. I looked at 272 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:52.039 old newspapers and shiit. I looked at it and they're wrong. So I'm 273 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:57.240 glad it will check because they're wrong. So Zaza is reading it to me 274 00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:02.240 and I said, no, no, didn't happened like that. She got 275 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:04.240 a little frustrated. I got frustrated and says, listen to throw it away. 276 00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:07.839 I don't want to see it. They're wrong, Wikipedia and all these 277 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:11.880 fucking things. They're wrong. I'm telling you what happened. But she laughed 278 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.279 and says, Sammy, if I want to know something, I ask you. 279 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.920 I don't have to read newspapers or anything else. She's a great kid. 280 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:22.400 She's in the other room, or I wouldn't call a great character. 281 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:25.799 So we'll go to her head. She's got looks and everything else, and 282 00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:29.480 that's she's smart and now she's being compliment that we'll make her like peanuts. 283 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:33.519 We'll have two of them. So one more thing I think you'll love to 284 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:42.279 know. When I went back to prison and in two thousand, February of 285 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:48.400 two thousand, the ecstasy case. Some day old hear stories about that, 286 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:52.000 I was in jail. I was in prison again in two thousand February two 287 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:56.160 thousand, and I did almost eighteen years. Here's the craziest fucking thing in 288 00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:04.240 the world. Mail call. I get a letter. I had written a 289 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:08.119 book already and everything. I get the letter and I opened it up. 290 00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:18.799 I am so so sorry for what I did to you. The way you 291 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:26.480 talked about me in your book. It just breaks my heart that what I 292 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:32.519 did to you was so fucking wrong, but I was so mad. It's 293 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:38.799 fucking Michael Hardy twenty something fucking years later or whatever, thirty years later, 294 00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:45.000 whatever it was, seventy four, seventy four, I'm getting indict until two 295 00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:52.279 thousand, eighty four, ninety four, twenty six years later, he's apologizing 296 00:28:52.359 --> 00:29:07.599 to me. If you're listening to this, Mike, that letter. I 297 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:15.240 was infuriated, but I was in prison and I shot down with that letter. 298 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:22.079 And I had a chance to think. I accept your apology and I'm 299 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:30.519 not managing no more. You made mistakes. I did things. I'm inde 300 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.279 mistakes. I think everybody makes mistake at one point in their life. But 301 00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:41.079 I do respect that you sent me a fucking letter twenty six years later apologizing. 302 00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:48.720 That's incredible and I think it should be thrown into the story. And 303 00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:53.160 if you're listening to this video, Mike, I think the world ill. 304 00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:57.240 You're a tough guy. You did what you did. Don't send me no 305 00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:02.279 more letters. I might get man right now. I'm not managed you. 306 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:08.920 I really not. Okay. That's the end of the story. So if 307 00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:15.599 you like it, pressed like subscribe always tonight, above all nights. I 308 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:22.599 want to get home and watch Families of the Mafia. A couple of good 309 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.079 episodes coming up. I don't think I'm in them. There's a Russian guy. 310 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:30.920 There's this guy, Billy. I knew his father while Bill, me 311 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:34.680 and him was like this, And if he's listening, I want to tell 312 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:40.359 this story real quick. I'm going to add it on. This is how 313 00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:47.599 close I was with him. I went to a special breeder and I got 314 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:52.079 a dog, a puppy. I wanted a rock waller. My wife wanted 315 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:57.799 a rock waller, and I got this puppy, especially bred beautiful. I 316 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:03.079 get the dog and I'm gonna surprise my wife and take it home, and 317 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.759 I have an deportment with Billy well Bill, and I have the dog on 318 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:12.680 a leash, little little guy, and it comes out, Oh my god, 319 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:17.440 where did you get that dog? I got a friend of mine's a 320 00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:22.680 breeder. Why I'm going crazy trying to get a dog? Right? I 321 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.240 love this dog. He's got the dog's face. He's playing. The dog's 322 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:33.119 tail is going crazy. Little tail's going crazy. They fell in love right 323 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.000 in front of me. He says, could I buy it? I says, 324 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:40.720 I don't think he has any more. He sold them all. He'll 325 00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:47.200 get you know more? Oh man, do you like him that much? 326 00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:53.640 Yeah? I'm a sucker for shit? Right that? Take the dog? 327 00:31:55.960 --> 00:32:00.599 You kid it? No, I'll get another one sometimes, take the dog, 328 00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.160 Take them all. He told your kids, you listen to any other 329 00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.119 thing. Now. I know his son. He passed away a long time, 330 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.920 but he was killed. It was gone a long time, and I 331 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:17.039 know his son. He's act actually on this show. He tells me the 332 00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:23.160 story you gave it him. Yeah I did. I did. He said, 333 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.200 You're not how happy he was. Yeah, he must have been super 334 00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:32.799 happy. You know what he names the dog, No, it's Sam. 335 00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:36.880 I thought it was a great story, all right, Audios