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a storm centric episode, but some other stuff going on as well that
we weren't expecting, so more juicier than I think we thought are going in.
Yeah, and I think they did that on purpose by not having it
like they had Life Death Part one slash motendo like. I think they tried
to hide it by doing that, which I think was a good call for
what it is. You know. Unfortunately, this is the first episode that
I wasn't super hyped on. I don't think it's a bad episode by any
means, but everything this so far has been two thumbs up. It's been
the maximum score I could possibly give it maximum hype level. Tons of crazy
stuff happened. This one felt, I don't know, a little bit more
low key. You know, you don't get a ton of our characters here,
so it's more focused on certain things. And then like the two or
three characters that we do focus on, I just didn't think that there was
a whole lot of juice to be squeezed out of their storylines. There was
some decent moments, for sure, but yeah, I don't know, definitely
a little bit lower on the hype train than I have been so far,
but I'm very excited for where we've left off. I think the end of
the episode's very exciting in terms of setting things up for next episode. So
I think next week will be a freaking banger. It'll be It'll have so
many things going on, so I'm excited for that. To the film.
Yeah, this episode, I kind of agree with you, Dolan. I
think it was a little bit more down down a notch after last week's and
a few of the other episodes. But at the end of the day,
I'm not totally disheartened by that, because I feel like after such a crazy,
high octane episode that we got last week, it feels relatively okay to
kind of just be on a simmery note this time around, just kind of
still coming to terms and everything that happened last week. But we got a
few answers which was kind of nice, and it yeah, I mean,
it just it furthered along certain character stories that we were wondering what was going
on, and it introduces a few other things too that we were curious about.
But we've gotten some answers on now, and if I was to say
one thing about that. I think with a certain character, it definitely felt
rushed, and that was probably a little bit of a takeaway. Things kind
of expedit a little bit for their story, and I would have liked to
have seen things kind of slowed down a little bit on that front. But
overall, I think I think it was an okay episode. It definitely felt
a little bit filler, but it was okay. Really fel I don't know,
I don't know if it's fill. I think I'm higher on this episode
than you guys. I think it's tough because I still prefer all the ones
where we've had the team together. I think I would put this above Motende
though, because that was fun I do. This feels almost like a there's
I think there is some development, particularly where two characters, but I think
this is very much a calm before the storm episode legitimately not pun intended,
but it feels like it's setting the table for There's one thing. One character
that they didn't show in the trailer is that I'm gonna happy we're dealing well.
I don't know if I'm I'm I'm mixed on a few things, but
none of them are so much negative. I think where I am is I
need to see the next four to see where this really goes right. There's
certain pieces where did we need this. I think storm stuff was great.
I was kind of surprising. I guess this week. I was a little
more expecting not to be disappointed or like, oh, not as hype.
But when we left off last week on such a big cliffing or a big
moment, and we kind of knew, Okay, we're gonna table that for
a week and come back to it, I guess I went in with lower
expectations, and I think the way they went about things was good because it's
tough. Because the storm aspect is. I like it, but I almost
think it needed more to have like a bigger I wanted what happened in the
story to have a bigger input or impact. And I also still have some
questions about that because I feel there was some stuff they set up two weeks
ago that didn't really line up here. But I think there was some fun
moment, some good development. There's some really cool imagery and scenes going on,
so I'm very excited. I think the next four ye are gonna be
really really good. But I still was happy with this episode, and obviously
we'll see where a thumb Scille after, but yeah, anything else non spoiler.
M M all right, let's get into it. So we'll do non
or we're done non spoilers that are going to spoilers right after us. We'll
beat right back and we're back. I have to quickly ask something, and
I'm gonna be asking Kirkling this next week because we I remember it right when
we went off air, and we never talked about quickly, Dylan, you
had seen it before you got to the episode, But what did you think
of overall when you started to look at and you found out that Cable was
Scott's son, Because we did not talk about that all last week, so
I wanted to circle back and talk about that quickly. That reveal I'll say,
like you said, he said, you got spoiled. But even when
you found that out, what what was like? You know, was that
like, oh that's cool? Or is this kind of cheesy? Where were
you on the Cables his son? Yeah? I guess we kind of talked
about it from like the gene perspective, ye more, but not so much
the Scot perspective. Yeah, I guess I want to see a true interaction
between them. But I think some of the things that he's saying in that
episode, particularly in the beginning, I think of that one, it's interesting
to see that stuff knowing who the character actually is. But yeah, I
don't know. I feel like I'm more just like I was given the appetizer
for really all of those like even for Gene, right, you just get
that one moment and gets stuffed into the into the time portal again. So
I'm really excited for them to interact in a more meaningful way and have like
an actual conversation with each other. But yeah, I don't know. I
don't know if there's much to dive in there for me off the bat,
I guess, I uh, I don't know. You know, we watched
all that original series, and I never thought that that would be the case
that cable, you know, I never thought about the logistics. Oh,
he's a time to probablybe someone's son, and who would it be. I
never really would have pegged those two, But I don't know if I would
have picked anyone. He doesn't really seem like any other character. He is
a pretty distinct guy. Yeah, he doesn't look like Scott. The only
thing they share is he kind of has like the like he has like a
little bit of an eyeblast Cable, right, like with the one eye it's
the only but he, like Cable, looks like he ate Scott Summers.
In my opinion, he's just massive and everything. So remember Cable's son,
Tyler from the original series, who was like even bigger. Yeah, I
hate them all big family tree, you know. Yeah, Tam, what
do you think about that? Yeah, he completely caught me off guard.
I was not expecting it whatsoever, So I was I was thrilled. When
I was thrilled, Yeah, I love that. I love that g theology
kind of thing. And when Madeline was just like all those eyes and recognized
them, They're like, oh my gosh, what a revelation. And just
to think in retrospective too, like Cable and Deadpool two is the son of
Scott Summers and all this. It's just the way it ties in all these
different connections with these characters. Is really James Marston and Josh Brolin. You
see the familiar connection there, Yeah, yeah, a little bit kind of
the same thing where Josh Brown looks like he he ate James Marsden, you
know, like I'm not picking James Marsden in a fight between those two.
But it's it's neat how we can see like four generations here where we look
at Scott's dad and we can jump all the way ahead to Yah to Cable's
son. It's just really crazy to look at this this lineage and I like
stuff like that. That's why again, I like Star Wars so much,
because you have such a long lineage. I didn't think we've ever really gotten
to see that in Marvel before. I think we've seen like the like Tony
Stark has his daughter. Of course Tony Stark has his dad, so there's
a few generations that they've kind of tapped into. But this is just such
a long one that I've got to connect with. I think it's it's cool.
Yeah, I think hopefully you'll get that more the X Men. But
yeah, no, it's funny because I think I let it slip once in
the original series, and then when we got back to Cable, all of
you're like, oh, I don't saying they I say, okay, good,
they didn't pick up on it. But yeah, I hope we just
at least get one interaction. I think we will with next week being called
Bright Eyes and then the next episodes being a three parter I think because that
might put Scott at ease a little bit too, which might actually get him
back with the original gene. But if he sees that his you know,
sure there's war and he's a mute and he's fighting, but like his son
still makes it and lives somewhat of a life. It's kind of like,
okay, a little bit better. So I think that will kind of ease
his pain a little bit. And it's still a weird situation, but it's
the only way he could live, right, So it's not like it's not
like Scott was abanning him like he was worried about. So I will say
if they don't do that though, which I think they have shown that they
fall up on these things, I think that will be a disappointment, But
I think they gotta. I think we'll get one scene at least of them
two interacting and something like that, and then who knows. Yeah, So
so yeah, with this one, it actually was revealed to be kind of
a two ender again, which is kind of it's odd in the way of
life. Def you know, he had part one the motendo. I don't
think that I don't know what the screen time is between those two episodes,
so I think this felt still more like Storm story. But it's funny that
again it did that where oh, instead of a full episode Storm, which
I was expecting, it was, you know, the half, and that's
where I said it on the storm front, where I just wasn't sure.
I like the story. I like what we got, but I think I
almost would have I don't know if I needed. I don't know why I
needed. I don't know if I would have liked it more if it was
a full episode. I don't know if it's something that maybe actually didn't need
to be as long. Like I'm kind of torn on it where I enjoyed
it, but I think also I don't know how much I needed forge around,
like I know he's there. I was very thrown off at one point
that she's talking about how she loves them, which yes, she dropped the
love card. Yeah, which again I think it's just that clearly it's so
it's not. I think we got our answer that it's not been months,
it's been the time when she left. Because if that Mune thing is happening
right there, at no way they did say a month right from last car.
Yeah, has passed since Madeline Pryor pieced it out, so we I
guess I could assume that from when Storm leaves to then, it's been like
a month, give or take. So I guess I just feel like that's
where there's a bit more of a journey there where I feel like it was
I think the best way to put it, where it should have been longer.
But at the same times, I'm kind of happy we're out of we
got the Charles stuff out of the way. But at the same time,
I still was fine with Charles not being in the season. I still was
fine with him coming back next year. So I'm kind of That's why I
said like with this episode, still liked overall quite a bit. I still
think I had some great moments, but I really need to see how the
rest of the season plays up before I can really place how I feel the
pacing of stuff. So I'm kind of confused on a few aspects of it.
Yeah, there's there's just so many people on on the X Men team,
and even though we lost Gambit, there's still like, as we've talked
about, like Beast hasn't really had anything meaningful to season Wolverine that had very
little concerning he was like really the protagonist. I guess we had to pick
one from the day. Fine, he's he's, he's he's getting one seeing
an episode, but it's good. See oh yeah they're always good for sure.
But yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't feel like we needed that extra
character back in the show to around out the roster at this point. So
I would have been fine with it happening later. But I do think this
was a good I mean, the scene that it happened with, I think
is a good way to do it. And I I, you know,
I I in hindsight, I wonder like how much in the production of the
show they had planned to do a life death episode and then how like just
iteration, changing editing things. Is maybe when they changed it around and realized,
oh, we should do this split up the order this way, because
I think the end of this episode is really great. We're both storming,
Xavier finding out about Janosha. Yeah, are both coming back, And that
wouldn't really make sense if you had done life death as one sequence and then
done Motendo and Xavier stuff in one episode, it would have been a bit
off. So I think it was pretty smart the way they did it.
And I guess for that previous one, you have the light you have the
lighthearted section with motendo and the more heavy, dramatic and like more emotional sequence
of the storm stuff. This one, I guess is kind of all heavy.
It's not there's not a lot of fun, yeah, to be had
in this episode. It's a very intense episode from all angles of it.
So but I think maybe that is as you mentioned, the call before the
storm is like the perfect wording for it, and I think, yeah,
the setup that we have it in the end of this episode is is exciting
to have everyone kind of back together and trying to resolve everything, all the
fallout from Janeo show. I think it's also for me, it's just me
being greedy. It's almost wish and I think, I don't think you could
do it. But it's like how the previous show, how many it had,
like the you know, twelve to sixteen episodes. I guess I just
wish there was more because it's it's not that's a bad thing because I just
know, okay, there's only four left. I think I'd like this more
if they told us, oh, it's a fifteen episode, and I think
with the amount of X Men, you could do that if you had this
writing team. How good they are, like, give us a piece episode.
I know we've gone lots of them, but with this new team and
being done so well. But yeah, Tya, where were you on the
kind of the mix up of seeing Charles back. It's a it was a
half instead of what we kind of expected was just gonna be a storm and
four centric episode. I was not expecting to see Charles. I really really
wasn't. So getting him here and just his setup, I felt like something
was different with him. And I guess it's just because he's been with the
she Off for such a long extensive period of time a year now, so
yeah, at least that makes sense, and he just felt different. But
yeah, I feel like his introduction and then rushing to this conclusion that I
need to go back to Earth of You with my X Men, it was
just it was rushed and I didn't like that. I would have liked to
have seen him here a little bit longer. The sequence of him like classes
in session with a Shear, a council and everyone. I thought this was
great and I would have loved to have built upon this a little bit more.
But we have him introduced, it's announced that he's gonna be the emperor,
he's gonna marry, and then we have him basically proving his case and
point that he deserves us. He's willing to disregard his past, his history
to be here, and then we have it coming full circle now where he's,
oh, I gotta stop this, and I'm gonna need to know more
affair across the stars, I gotta go home. It's a lot to unpack.
And that's an that's coming from the sense that this is a half for
this is not one full twenty five minute episode focused on that. This is
basically ten minutes, which is even worse in my opinion. So it would
have been nice to have had that maybe expanded upon a little bit more and
show a little bit more weight behind Xavier's choice to do this, because I
didn't feel like it, like he's in love with her, he's getting married
to her, but it was just expedited and I didn't like that. I'm
of two minds with it, where I totally agree with you. It does
feel very rush. It feels missing some context, and maybe there is some
more fun to be had and now he's already this whole sequence is already over
and just yeah, as you mentioned, like half of an episode. But
at the same time, like the galactic politics has kind of been like my
least favorite part of this series in general, and getting all these different factions
and like rown in the accusers in this episode, but it's like a meaningless
little sequence. He got destroyed Man and the Roan and they're all Ronan,
the Qes just in general sucks studios. Yeah, but it's funny. We
did say, we're like, oh, well, anybody have cameos, and
I don't think we ever talked about like Marvel villains, and we did get
some. We talked about that way back. Bar addictions a cool crossover,
but it's, yeah, a pretty meaningless scene in the grand scheme of things.
Yeah, unless he comes back and he's the big bad you know,
he's like you dare, But yeah, yeah, I think it's I think
the good thing is though, it's almost like if they could have a full
episode this, they would, but instead of just ah, we can't do
that, so disregarded and Charles would show back up. I would take at
least ten to fifteen minutes of this versus Charles just says it in a couple
of sentences and go, oh, that's where he's been, right, Like
I like the sort of Star Wars Lord of the Ring showing the people split
up and what they've been up to. So overall, I think it was
good. Again, I'm I'm surprised that he is coming back, like episode
six and he's already there, Like I did not think that was gonna happen.
I thought it would so again, it still could be a case where
he shows it last episode. Oh excellent, I'm here to help. But
I also just don't want him to come in episode eight or nine and just
kind of fix a bunch of stuff, you know, Empire with them,
just doins you never know, you never know, But just the way even
at some point death Bird was like, oh, maybe he is, you
know, better than we thought. And then eventually at the end, sh
of course she's like, no, he's scommon and Terren sucks blah blah blah
blah. But like I, I just don't want the answer to the conflict
to be Charles saves all, you know, Like I think that's some of
the fun is seeing the team with Magneto, the teams so splintered, especially
now you could make the case, oh, that's the best time for him
to come back, But to me, it's like there's still lots of X
Men members, right, I don't want to be well, we killed off
Gambuch just so we can get Exavier more screen time, especially because we talked
about with Jubilee, with stuff with Scott Gene, we're getting more showcase of
characters who didn't know that. Xavier got like a bunch of showcases. But
he was always like main character three in like a bunch of those episodes,
right, So many storylines were around him. So it's just like, to
me, the storyline that's where I maybe could take more of him at the
Sheer Empire, because so he goes there and he puts them back together,
and then what's he gonna do. You know, he's just gonna do the
same old, same old, unless they're really gonna kill him off. So
I was surprised by the choice. But again we'll wait and see. But
yeah, it was all fine stuff. I'm with dilmwore like the Sheer Empire
has never been my favorite type of stuff, but I thought the small doses
was cool. I think the art style actually looked really good, with a
lot of their designs were in the old school that looked really kind of uh,
sometimes very cheesy or very just kind of a wonky death bird looking fucking
awesome. I remember, yeah, she's one of the characters that I first
saw ever for the X Men. There was some comic book that I had
at my grandma's and it was just like a collage or just different characters to
get a little ablurb. And I remember seeing death blurb being like, whoa
interes? Thinking she was a mute, no idea that she's a space person.
So I think maybe you can get a little more. But I think
he got most juice out of there. I'd like Taylor lude that scene where
he put them in the class. I do laugh because I wonder what the
hell they were thinking, because they don't know what a class like, like
the class This isn't the classroom to them. They wouldn't have a desk in
the apple, So I'm wondering, like, why did Charles put us in
this weird predictable what is chalk? Yeah? Yeah? Why is there an
apple in my mouth? To keep me quiet? You know? Stuff like
that, but uh, I thought it was cool to show his power,
and I did like when he said he'd forgive it all or forget it all,
and then we said, oh, you got to forgive your XPN,
which is just like, you know, the guy should have stop. He
should just say like, oh, forget your planet. Not so specific on
the X men, but that made him stop. And I thought that was
a good little breakup between him and a laundro Like she's like, well,
you know, you like we've got to be together and we love each other.
But he's just saying, well, I've sacrificed so much you want me
to sacrifice this last thing too. It's kind of you know, how much
more can I give? And she goes, oh, well that's what you
have to do to prove your you're right for us. And then and then
he said, well that's when we must part. So I thought, you
know, I thought it was a good way to you know, he still
loves her. Wasn't a breakup, wasn't a power struggle. It is just
and that's why I still think she could come back, or some of them
could come back, because it ended in the sort of like, well,
you know, you're not willing to meet me halfway, and maybe she is
at some point. So I thought that at least for now, even if
Landron never comes back, that works as a reason to be done with this
relationship and story. You know, yeah, I mean the execution of it
was all good. It just wasn't not exciting like the in terms of the
relationship drama. If we were going to make a tear list, this would
be like on the bottom of it, like it was a quick little a
quick little sequence. But what you were talking about earlier, like and I
didn't really think about this until right now, is I feel like I wish
I'm on your side tracks in general, like I think they did they pulled
the Xavier trigger too soon here, but mostly because I want like more time
with Magneto as the leader, and now we're gonna get the dynamic of people
coming back, and I think it could be what you were suggesting, Travis
of like this event at Genosha you said this in the last episode could be
the thing that turns Magneto back to like full evil guy and then he brings
back his brotherhood immunes and stuff and don't get me word, I want that,
but I want that later on. I want that like midway through season
two or something. I still want more time of him and the X Men.
So I think that considering that Rogue and him kind of like she kind
of split up with him, and then there is that moment, it kind
of seems like maybe we're set up now for Me to Magneto to go evil
again and Exavier to take over. Maybe at least in the interim, we'll
have a few episodes of them working together as leaders, and I think that
could be fun, and I'm sure the execution of it's all gonna be good.
I just don't Yeah, I think it's maybe a bit too soon,
but who knows. I mean, maybe when they started making the show they
didn't know if they would get a season two, or maybe they didn't even
know any episodes they were gonna build to make and this kind of thing.
So I can understand whinting to do it all, but I hope we at
least get some more of Magneto in his current role, because that's been a
lot of fun and something different from the other five seasons back in the day.
Yeah, I can see them making it to the finale, But if
the finale ends with Magneto and Charles just agreeing to disagree and they got all
the gold their own ways. It's like we've seen that so many times now.
It's just like the X Men live action movies. Right by the time
we got to Apaclypse and Dark Fience, well you've done like I remember us
doing the same thing in the movies. We're like, I'll just put them
together for now, like we keep doing them breaking up. So I hope
that's where it's weird, because to me, I would agree that I thought,
okay, the brand and Charles back because it's gonna be a human threat
and the Niedo is gonna go against every everybody, but maybe they'll keep it
a secret. But at the end of this episode they revealed that it wasn't
a human threat that did the Junos thing. It was sinister Yeah. He
So that's where I'm like, it's odd because, like you, like you've
alluded to the rogue thing. They've set everything up for Magneto to be bad,
but then they've also completely set up the mcguffin of this was a mutant
terrorist attacks. It's that's where I'm not I'm really not sure what kind of
I won't say what the point is, because I trust the show. It
has been so good to great so far. I'm just confused on the direction
because it feels like the direction they could be pushing Eric and Charles are in
separate. I don't mean like the them like going against you. I just
mean like the direction of the two characters together. It's not really making much
sense from the way I see it right now. I wouldn't see if Magnito
gets evil at the end day, he's just like, I'm sure they don't
want him to kill, but he's just killing Sinister right, which I'm sure
most people are still gonna like, we'll give him a mull again. Like
I I like, if the breakup is he kills Sinister and let's say,
beheads him in front of everybody, Is that what Charles like? You can't
be an ex like I guess, but he also I don't know. That's
where I'm I'm very curious to see what they do with their relationship because I
feel like they're presenting two options and really we only have time for one.
And I just don't want to be Russian slofty. I don't want to be
like that where it's just last two minutes, Charles goes, you can't be
an X man, you're too violent, and he's like, oh, this
is the way. And then so I don't know, but I'll trust him
because so far, so good to great stuff. But I will say I
think we got to call him confirmed that Gambit is the only one of our
main X men that died, because that's the only person Charles saw in that
vision. Right, Yeah, so that's a fair point. Yeah, so
we didn't see nothing, he knows, but Malon Prider. Yeah, but
he he wouldn't see her really no, but maybe he'd see like a gene
and be like, oh no, oh, my my friend Jean. But
at least he didn't say Magneto. Though he didn't say Magnes so my beautiful
storm. Yeah, yeah Storm, right, that's how he has to get
there. But we didn't say see Magneto. So I think he found a
way with Leech to cover up his body. Yeah, use me. Leech
is the human shield. But I just like, it's like a William to
foe Spider Man, like, how would you survive? It's just a cut
tim holding up Leech, Like, as Leech is getting blasted, what about
you? I almost called you Eric, Eric Magnus Lencher, Where are you
on the whole Charles coming back and once with Magneto and stuff like that.
I think you guys are pretty on point now here by talking about that Magneto's
turning bat and Exaber coming back is gonna take over the X Men again,
just kind of be the good guy and they're just gonna kind of reset back
to the way things were, And I think that's unfortunate. It would have
been nice to keep Magneto as this good guy and this being just such an
ultimate test. I think it's a mistake to revert so soon. But yeah,
it's just him coming back. I think it's it is too soon.
As I said, I wasn't expecting him in this episode and the whole thing
that happened in Genosha. It's interesting because they highlighted it in the news report
that this uh displacement of mutants are not being accepted back into their home countries,
which I thought was very interesting and a very very shitty thing to do.
Yeah, so they got nowhere to go now because they're home based,
so they're gonna they're literally just making them illegal aliens. How would you feel
not that he's Evil and not Brotherhood of Mune because you got We talked about
Genosha, and we talked about because this is the only path I could see
that I could end up enjoying. What if you kind of get like they
used to do this, like an X Men Gold and X Men Blue.
What if you get like a Magneto led X Men team and a Charles led
X Men team and it's not like they're competing, it's just like that follows
Magneto though over. But he could go to Genosha to rebuild. You got
Madelon Pryor there. I think Scott could go there. Can remember we talked
about last week where maybe some people go to Genoa should have help rebuild.
So what if it's like Magneto Rogue, Scott, Madeline Pryor, and you
got some people on Genosha helping out, and then you got people with the
E Xavier helping out, and it's kind of like a you know, worldwide
X Men. I'm just trying to think of ways that Charles and Xavier can
co exist and it's not Magneto turning back, because I think no one wants
that right now. I just think that's like a big that to me almost
like hurts the season a little bit if it's this route, because if it
was humans, then I get up. But if it's Sinister, there's no
reason for him to like get booted. So I'm just trying to think of
is their way there where Maybe there's two operating teams and they're somewhere else.
I don't know. The only way I could really see that is if we
get a team that's like Magneto, Madeline, Pryor, and then like mystique,
who are you're theorizing who the mystique is in the season, the Mystique
teams up, and then it really just ends up being like Magneto's Brotherhood of
Mutants or whatever he calls his his squad over there. I don't really see
Brotherhood of x men because I don't because I don't think Rogue is joining him
at this point. Like I know, you just made that point of like
people wanting to go there and help rebuild Janosha Scott could I think because of
the prior thing, right, he may want to be with her and Okay,
and what if there is a situation where Magneto does kill Sinister and Xavier's
like you go too far and Scott's like, no, I completely support him,
because there is comic precedents of Cyclops and sometimes being a semi magneto villain
type. In the comics, there's a meme called Cyclops was right, and
at times he has turned against him a little bit, and last week we
did see him lose it on that reporter. So I wonder if there's something
there where maybe that could be it where he does kill Sinister. They don't
want him to, but sky Klopps is like, no, I completely support
this. I'm going with him, Like enough of this, like goody two
shoes, like he took his son, he killed Gambit, Like that could
be a fun cliffhanger of the team divided, you know, everyone's together again,
but they don't agree. I'd be an event the more we talk about
it. But I feel like Xavier coming back would kind of deter that because
Scott just worships Xavier. Right, Yeah, So I wonder if what you'd
have to find what if they do some sort of twist where he knew that
was not the real Geam, but Exam never say anything, you know,
and there there's a divide. I don't know, or what if Cyclops finds
out that Xavier has been good to come back for some time and that's why
his kid got fucked up and all this stuff happened. I could see Cyclopes
being pretty strongly against him for making a decision like that, because, yeah,
it doesn't sound like he could have came back at any time, but
it's sound like once he was healthy, sounds like for a few months.
Now he's on the past. It sounds like in the span of the time
the bad stuffice happened, he could have been bad since the events of ninety
seven. Yeah, which I granted I like to I actually liked the Laundro's
back and forth. I like her calling him handsome and being like a it
shouldn't say good lover, but something to the equivalent of that, where she
was very complimentative, and I liked that she was trying to stress to me.
It didn't feel like it was a power movem. It felt like she
was just trying to say, like, you do get a chance to have
your own life now, even though I think the X Men is his life.
But I did like that as far as like, yeah, like be
happy, let's get married, like let's do a new and then you know,
there'll be some there. But he said something like, oh, the
only time you were done teaching them when they've learned everything, and people don't
look like you can never learn everything, so pretty much just like alluding like
he's never gonna stop being a teacher. But I like that. To me,
it wasn't in like a pushy way maybe until the end, but I
liked that she was trying to just say, hey, like we could have
something here together, you know. But yeah, it didn't happen a couple
other I mean, we talked about it briefly, but I just I love
the visual that he had of seeing Gambit in like all master mold form turning
into a skeleton and then like blasting away the classroom. That was just amazing
and like great use of the astral plane to kind of convey that kind of
thing. And then also you shout it out death Bird, and she's worthy
of a shout out. But I also was a big fan of Gladiator in
this episode. He's always kind of he's been there in these in these galactic
episodes. But yeah, he had like this kind of dash where he bumped
a bunch of people off the bridge. He had that gust that he was
doing, He's he's he is essentially just Superman. Sod him do these Superman
kind of things. Was fun, and I liked that they were. I
thought it was cool. For bid, they were doing this thing where they're
alluding to like, oh, Gladiators kind of like Magneto in his personality and
ye yours Xavier. But then they just said that he's like, oh,
you remind me of Magnus. So it's like, okay, well now you're
a bit too on of those with this. Son's pretty smart for Terran.
Yeah, but overall, I I was glad to see Gladiator back because he's
also a top tier card of Marble Snaps. I'm a big, big fan
of him. He just looks cool, you know, like the mohawk.
It's great. I mean, he's just he's invincible. Gosh, he's just
he's just putting himself in front of all the fire, like the shots coming
off of the guards and all that. Oh god, that I just is
my thought. We're talking about Guardian Xavier, the Landra, the breakup,
Gambit, big Gambit, big Gambit, small gam death, Master Mold come
back, Yeah, n Xaviers love and his handsomeness. Let's circle back.
Is Loki and Sylvie are they? Is that incestuous or not? I don't
know. We still decided that, but you know, shout out to Loki's
review. Uh, let's take an ad break mail come back to Taylor after
this. We'll be right back, and we are back. So, yeah,
is there anything specifically so he was gonna be the emperor? You know
we said he said no, we got some launch of relationship stuff. I
like that the voice actor is the same guy that does Red Skull and the
MCU and a bunch of other mcu voices like Ross mccuold, I can't mcclowd.
I think it's like, say's that same but if you mean no and
and uh endgame and in Findy War Oh okay, yeah they replaced Hugo even
right. Yeah, so he does a lot of voices, so I like
the voice. I think it sounded a little bit different but still enough as
like the original one. So that was great. And yeah, we alrek
about cool to see. I like seeing Ronan and that that that's fun,
like it like to be, even if it's just a little him getting bobbed.
I hope in season two we get that again, where it's like,
oh cool. I know you guys don't see that. They think we're getting
one more Marvel character this season because they released like a half a trailer season
it showed something. I was like, Oh, looks like we're getting a
couple. So I'd like that, even if it's small roles. It's like,
oh cool, more Marvel characters, and that gives me hope for seasons
two went up. But is there anything from the Charles stuff that we hadn't
touched upon? Notes, Yeah, I'll take a look and see interesting seeing
him Yeah, without his without his chair? Oh yeah, which they which
they teased at first. Yeah, first shot of him. Yeah. I
liked his I liked his Emperor suit. I thought it was pretty badass.
Yeah, which again was cool because I wasn't sure which route they're going because
in the like the last five years in the Corocroa era of the X Men,
Charles can walk again. So I was like, oh, is is
this something going on? He's more evil when he walks again. But no,
it was help out there is this? Sorry? Just is it the
suit or is it that they completely healed him with their advanced and the comics
are here in here it's a suit here because he gets out and then she
puts it back on the couch like when they're like talking and they're like cuddling
and stuff. So it's just the armor that I think probably it is some
fallout power armour, going yeah, exactly, it doesn't get to keep it.
When the marriage is called, she gets the right, so don't even
give him off the grass. Good luck. A couple of lines, yeah,
depth burd was dropping some great things. She called humans in fear freak
fluid, so that was great. There's another one going around too. I
can't remember, Oh what it was, Oh your weak milky way plan or
something like that. And then a nice, uh, really good line here
by a laundra. They're talking about how he just wants to he is trying
to slyly like pitch a mission to Earth or something like that, and she's
just kind of like, how you just call them, like you don't need
to stop there, you don't need to visit, like just call me.
Oh no, it's not the same like there, you know, he's just
kind of saying that my children, I like, check up on him,
and this great line where she just says families are often mimic black holes.
They can take you in your drama, not let you go, which she
was looking at black Hole and she said that, But I thought that is
a good analogy because it's just like it he does go back. He can't.
He can't. She is writing that aspect right. There's no way Charles
was ever gonna go drop down to Earth, even the best of times,
to be like, well, I'm gonna go back. He would always find
a reason to stay. So I like that comparison of the X Men,
good or bad are black hole? If you go there, you're just sucked
back in. And obviously he hid that vision, but still I thought it
was good. So, you know, almost got married, but a last
maybe another time. So mm hmmm. So we go over Storm a couple
of things. Was not the demon King was just this adversary character who I
guess is a come book character. So you got that going on. Like
I said before Storms that she loved for They constantly were talking about like going
on a trip or that was their plan. They're gonna go like beat it
up until they saw the newscast, So I thought that was a little weird.
We got more for Storm and closed spaces. You know that was back
there, so that was some cool imentary So again I liked. I liked
a lot of the story, but I have questions, like the forged stuff,
I don't know how much it really worked for me. Again, it
sounds weird because I didn't like I thought this was good, but I still
think maybe if a whole episode maybe would impact because even her coming back like
it was good, but I thought it was gonna impact me a lot more.
And it's like in the Powers back and it didn't. Even though she
got the X Men evolution suit looks very cool. That scene was so fucking
sweet of her getting the powers back and just flying through creating these tornadoes and
all this lightning following her flying next to these horses, which obviously she was
riding in the previous episodes. That was like a fun, fun moment.
I mean visually it was great. Yeah, I'm with you that. I
don't know if the momentat like in the dramatic sense, was like earned or
as earned as I wanted it to be, Like, how did you guys
feel about the solution to her? Like I was kind of confused. It
seemed like okay, so maybe when she got tased, her powers got taken
like temporarily, but then they came back at some point, but then she
had to believe in herself. Am I missing something there? Or is that
as simple as it is? I don't think you're Yeah. I think it's
like X Men logic, where that happens all the time and they lose their
powers. There's overtime. Beast was wrong and it comes, but it is.
I think it is like a believing in yourself sort of thing. It's
kind of clunky. Yeah, I don't really like I don't like it.
I'm there's not much more to say, yeah, because like I get it.
It is like the believing in yourself and the you know, knowing you
could do these things. But it just felt like a matter of fact,
Like I wonder, it just feels like she was gonna get these powers back
regardless, and I don't think this was betrayed. Well, I wonder if
it was just better to keep her at the mansion and then something happens and
she coulds like spark that power up. I just think that's why I said
maybe again, there's a version of this episode of Storm Longer that feels more
justified. I don't think it's bad, but it just feels very comic booky
of you know, they believed himself when it came back, which is the
episode, right. I get it that that's the message, like believe in
your inner power, but I don't know, it just it maybe just didn't
hit for me, even though I love there's some great dialogues of when she's
like, oh I hear them thunder, but I bring the lightning and it's
like, oh it really cool lines and stuff. But I mean even yeah,
the Adversary has a good dialogue, and I like that sequence when the
creature traps storm in like a coffin and then like all the face of the
different X men are coming very there's some good visuals there, but I totally
lost my train of thought. So Taylor, what do you think? I
feel you? I feel you. Yeah, I mean it's it was convoluted
for me, and I thought, Okay, she's just trapped in this cave
and then all of a sudden, she just exerted lightning and the winds and
stuff, and she like blew herself out of the mountain and then came back
like it just I mean, she was just I don't know, She's flying
around with the horses, the Mustangs, the Stallions and Fords. It's just
like, ah, like just dying down there. This is kind of rough,
but I mean she's living, and that her new suit looked fire.
I definitely really really liked it. I was digging it. That was cool,
but uh, yeah, I would have liked a little bit more context,
but they already spent ten minutes focusing on Xavier and his story, so
I guess they had to really expedite things here a little bit too, where
she just is in the tunnel, and I liked how Forge set that up
as well, where I didn't want you to be alone, and she just
points the flashlight and it's just this dark tunnel and then it goes to her
face and I shouldn't laugh, but it always claus phobia is not funny,
but with Storm, I don't know what it is. It just it just
makes me laugh and she's like, oh, like she's freaking out already.
But I because I guess it's kind of side tangent here because you mentioned this
this demon thing, Travis. I really like the adversary, right. I
loved how Forge whipped out the uh mystic arts against against Yeah, he was
looking very doctor strange as his mom was a sorceress, right, that was
super cool. Yeah, I was not expecting that to pop up there.
So Forge's he's interesting. Lots of stuff for this man, you know,
good and bad sorcery started some of these cures, like the bad cures and
stuff. So I remember what I was gonna say earlier, which is that
for the Adversary, Like some of this idea was interesting where it seemed like
the adversary was like a shadow king and that I was like all in her
head yea and not real. But then like it also bit Forge and he
was actually poisoned and about to die, and so I kind of wish they
maybe just didn't do that part of it and there was more ambiguity there of
was this thing ever actually in the physical world or was it just messing with
them and then their heads, because I feel like the bite kind of disproves
that, and maybe even it getting tangled up by his book magic there too.
But if it was more just solely focused on Storm and this kind of
mental block that she's had, I think I would have liked that more.
But since it's not, it's just like, Okay, there's just some weird
bird like creature that's now gone. So yeah, not one of my top
villains from the X Men series, that's for sure. Anything else specifically,
she got the power back her. Do you think Forge goes with her to
the to help the X Men out. I don't really know where else he
goes, but we never even knew. We never really knew where he came
from in the first place. From is he from the future, is he
from the present. So hopefully if he does peace out, we at least
get a explanation as to where he went. But I mean, they're in
love, so he's got to go with her, right, I mean,
yeah, well that's just the X Man is just peace out on love.
As we're learning that's true. That does happen sometimes I'm gonna say no,
but I hope not. Just gonna be enough going on. I hope it's
kind of like I will meet back up. I gotta go do this thing
helps you get your powers back, and got to go get bishop and bring
Bishop back. Maybe a Bishop comes back with cable. Maybe he'll go back
with them to the future. Big boy cables ready to go. I remember
Gina was pregnant while she's a clone and I'm a kid, and I was
like, oh my god, just so much ketchup in that moment, but
no, I hope. I also had to mention the opening credits, they
removed Magneto and Gambit, but they did put Nightcrawler there, so I think
that I think that means yeah, so Gambit we think is Dad Magneto.
I think we think is alive. We didn't get a ghost of him,
but I think that means going forward probably next season, and they did say
new members. I think Nightcrawler is hopefully gonna be on the team. If
he's opening credits, then I thinking he's gonna be with this. That's that's
like I don't know if we need Forge and I like it Forge, but
I prefer Nightcrawler so I would much rather some more focus on him and stuff
and doesn't have much of a to be the religion master or whatever his role
was there anyway, so maybe he needs yeah and roaches as Gambit. So
I feel like Nightcrawler is like a Big Brother esque situation. We'd Forge.
It's just like what he's just macing with like Storm, you know, like
she can him. And that's where I still I'm gonna keep that theory of
the X Men could split up and Scott could be like leader B for that
team and leader a cold Storm, because I feel like that's a good role
for her. And that's even my hole with Xavier coming back, where I
feel like a Storm at say may needles like still missing, Scott's a little
messed up. I think Storm could easily like step up to be the leader
you know and not and oh, that's the one thing I was gonna say
too. Were told that the not that you get over the claustrophobia, but
I felt like we had one episode particular in the original show that really dealt
with that and maybe didn't get her like over it, but got it so
she wouldn't be so scared of it. But I feel like we were kind
of like back to season one where she was so definitely afraid of it.
So that was maybe a little like a math for me. But I guess
the fear doesn't go away, So I mean that cave was pretty freaking scary.
It was. I watched some YouTube documentary recently about some guy who went
cave died and I got like stuck in this cave like head first, and
it was it. It kept me up for nights. It just fucked with
my mind. I'm not claustrophobic. After watching that, I think I gained
claustrophobia as a trade. It was terrible. Throw an adversary in there too,
I mean, that's oh my god. Yeah, you start to picture
were things like that when you're tripping out in those caves. Who did they
one hundred and twenty seven hours him and just cut his head off to get
him out of there. They tried everything. This guy was so freaking wedged
in there. They'd like break his legs and stuff. But and he was
also completely his head was down so the blood was like rushing to his head.
So he was just going crazy. I'll send you a link to this.
It's worth watching it. I will, even though that's my nightmare.
I know you're claustrophobia, or you are claustrophobia. No, I'm not claustrophobic.
It is the I so I could be in a small room, I
could be with a thousand people around me. It's if I can't move.
I don't know what that is, because I don't think claustrophobic. Is that.
It's if I'm constrained. So the way store at one point she was
putting like a coffin in this episode and how it was so small, and
she said, I can't breathe that. I think those are branches on the
same tree. They are. Yeah, I just feel like it's a different
version of But yeah, that would because if I couldn't move, like the
idea of there's an itch on my back and I can't get it, that
would. That's your fear. That But just like in just everybody in general,
you know, but like I'm saying, in dealing situation where it's like
I'm stuck in all of a sudden, like I cannot get my mind off
that, Like, yeah, if I can't, if I'm constricted, not
good. So yeah, send me that doc. I'll unfortunately watch it.
But at last point we talked about this a little bit. Uh, Sinister
being revealed is bad guy? You guys happy with that result of We talked
about, Oh, is that the Humans is as novaculating aside from Concenter Nova.
I was speculating Sinister because just the green was popping off and everything,
and yeah, that makes sense. He's the through line villain of the season,
so it makes sense. Yeah, the the theater that that scientist guy
who his DNA was required to activate Master Mold. He was running by the
theater and the title of what was playing was War the World, So I
thought was interesting, Oh really, yeah, I'm it's It's not I'm disappointed
because Sinister is the main bad guy, but I I almost felt it was
just kind of like it's almost like, oh, now we really hate Sinnis.
Like I almost felt that that plot that they did could have been used
to boost up a new villain, like perpetuate that. So my hope,
well, you know that's fine because I'll see how it's this and cenisors great
villain. They've set them up, but already they were after Sinister, right,
I am curious his motivations of why did he feel that he has to
do some sort of terrorist attack that looks similar to humans, right, because
it's odd for what taras some of the news saying, Hey, so it's
like if we were to give people a new country and then attack it and
say, hey, well you can't go back to your original country. That
doesn't make much sense. So I'm waiting to see more details on that because
if it's human made this attack, like that doesn't make any sense, right,
it's just I guess it's just the humans just being completely racist. But
we saw, you know, if you have episodes ago where they say,
oh, more than ever, humans are starting to support the mutes, they
understand them a bit more. So it's odd for them to do the terrorist
attack and then also say, well, you can't come here. I guess
it's the idea of they bring danger with them. So I was kind of
my hope was that attack was gonna happen and we're gonna get answers for that
maybe next season, and they're gonna deal Sinister, And that was kind of
be again me left hanging. So when we meet a new villain, it's
like, oh, I'm even at the end of season you could reveal,
Oh, I'm the one who did Genosha. It's like man, but Sinister,
it's like, well, our X men already hate him. This is
just like another Oh, we really hate him now. So I don't know
if Sinister needed it. It makes sense for the story, don't get me
wrong, but I guess it's still I don't know why he did it.
Why does that part make sense? Because that part doesn't make sense yet because
he's like an experimenter. Why does he have to make it look like the
humans where somebody attack Genosha right that I don't know. Yeah, it's definitely
on a scale beyond what he typically does. So yes, not like him,
even though it's as evil as he usually is. They got any theories
of why. Obviously you call it sinster, but do you why would Sinister
want to attack immunes Because he's a pretty low key, sneaky guy, Like
he's doing stuff like stealing more and he's making clones of gene and swallowing.
He's not outright doing terrorist tacks. They a'll not that Apocalypse would fit this,
but that's more of apocalypse move of oh I'm just going to go in
and destroy a place, destroy a city. Sinisters like small but deadly,
But here he is just committing acts of genocide. I think that's what makes
it so great in my opinion, the fact that I was not expecting it
ultimately Sinister to be capable of doing something like this, and now here he
is. Yeah, as you said, he committed this huge genocidal act.
And it's such a curveball for this character in this villain. So here we
are what are as true motivations. His plan to get the Summer's Kid has
failed, and now here we are he's got this this other plan in motion.
Was this like a backup? Did he start doing this because he lost
the Summer's Child? Like, at what point did this phase of his plan
get initiated? Right? Or do you think it's like I see some people
God Loves Me sixty nine and Style Sanders talking about like, do you think
he's not working alone? I see Apocalypse. I hope not. I hope
it's not a case of a CLIPS has come to Sinister and be like,
let's do this again, because I feel like we got multiple times the original
show of them need together. It's kind of like the last time too,
like apoll Clyps kind of screwed Sinister over and so he was like, ah,
fuck that guy and he like went against him. Oh really had like
magneto and stuff and like the beginning of time place or whatever it was.
Yeah, and same thing it. Yeah, it saves day for Apocalypse.
I really, I don't I love Apocalypse. It's kind of like the Exavior
thing where I don't need him back in season one. If that's another big
reveal of the Big Boss at the end of the season's apocalypse again. I
meanain, I got you, guys had a great first half, but this
backup, like sinister is enough and everything's there, so we'll see. I
know some people say bashing and he was seen there, but I just don't
know if they're gonna set it up. But yeah, we'll see. I'm
fine if it's just sinister. I just want what my thing is. I'm
fine if it's just sinister. Just give me a good reason why he did
this and then that's a okay for me. I don't need a oh a
bigger regard there. But it's always possible. We do know season two is
confirmed, so maybe there is a setup right of you beat me, but
there's a bigger bad guy that really did this. I don't know. So
yeah, anything else on this episode, mm hmm, till muss. Where
are those thumbs at? I think I'm going middle. I'm going to rain
in the middle today, not down, not up, but uh yeah,
a little drop off for sure from where I've been. But I think next
week is going to be back to double thumbs up. So I'm okay if
we take a little, a little mini lull in the middle. Middle Ishu
of the season h Taylor thumbs. I go one, one little thumb,
one little thumb right there for you, little guy. Yeah, I don't
want to. I think I'm like a one in like a not a half,
but like a two point five wouldever that be? Like, I don't
know, it doesn't deserve to me just a one because they feel strong of
that, but I don't know if it's as strong as a one and a
half. So that's where I'm stuck. So it's somewhere in there. Yeah,
if I had to pick, I would go the one the half because
I still, you know, had some enjoyment here. Still really fun at
episode for the most part, and I did enjoy that they kept the exavor
thing from us. You know, I don't know what it's gonna result in,
but it was a fun. Oh Okay, we're getting this right now,
and see what's happening. So we'll be back next week. Next week
we'll be bright eyes, and I think that's gonna be a big one because
there has to be something Summer's related. Imagine whether it's Cable or Scott who
knows. Thank you everyone in the chat that'm watching, everyone that's listening.
Less no same thing in the discord we do have I don't know if we
have an x Men chat, but still drop the spoilers and throw out your
theories. Yeah, do you think sisters working alone? Do you think there's
some certain other thing else there? Whatever it is, we'll even send a
question. We can talk about next episode, But thank you very much for
tuning in. When you're from us next week, it'll not be boring.
Bye bye,