1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,879 This is not a widget. This is a life saving device. It's not 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,000 just some random thing we make with metal and we stamp it out and who 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:28,359 cares. I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is guntognation. This Guntognation is brought 4 00:00:28,359 --> 00:00:33,600 to you by Stag Arms, Black Hills Ammunition, Ruger SDS Imports, Range 5 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:39,119 Ready and Secure It all right, Welcome in a guntognation today on Guntognation, 6 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,600 mister Mark Reddel Cult Firearms. Welcome in. Man, dude, you're we've 7 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,960 been doing this for a few years now, haven't we. Yes, we 8 00:00:47,039 --> 00:00:51,280 had like a lot. I want to talk about it, yesting. We're 9 00:00:51,359 --> 00:00:55,719 shooting season sixteen of Guns and Gear. Can you believe that? No, 10 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,520 I was a wee lad when this thing started. Wow, I was actually 11 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:06,799 on there. Well you grew up into business, Yeah, I did heritage, 12 00:01:06,879 --> 00:01:08,120 Yeah, I would. You know, my dad would go out on 13 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,599 photo shoots for magazines and you know, I'd I'd come along to help out. 14 00:01:12,799 --> 00:01:17,879 Sometimes they'd hand me a rifle and say sit up against that tree and 15 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,319 you know, look this way, look that way, And I'd say, 16 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,400 Dad, should I take my swatchwatch off? Before He's like, yeah, 17 00:01:25,599 --> 00:01:30,599 definitely take that crap off. So that's an eighties reference for all you kids 18 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:34,840 out there. But yeah, I grew up in it. Man, you 19 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,040 kind of grew up in firearms though. I mean, just you've been doing 20 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:44,680 how long have you been competing in shooting a long time? I actually didn't 21 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,959 get When I was a kid, toy guns were a big thing for me. 22 00:01:49,079 --> 00:01:52,120 Yeah. I always loft toy guns. Toy guns. We did not 23 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,680 have guns in our household. That's growing up. Yeah. See. It's 24 00:01:55,719 --> 00:02:00,280 interesting because there's so many people that we are around who always to say, 25 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,519 you know, just grew up around it, grub shooting, grub hunting. 26 00:02:01,519 --> 00:02:07,120 But there are those people who Nope, I didn't, we didn't have guns. 27 00:02:07,159 --> 00:02:10,240 No. I got into it after college eighty one. Uh snowballed, 28 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,000 if you want to call it that. I've been shooting for COLT. This 29 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,360 is my sixteenth year and there was a few years I shot before that. 30 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:23,639 So yeah, what's IDPA now? Thirty years? I think? Yeah? 31 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:29,159 And my id was number eleven. Oh wow, so I in a long 32 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,240 time eleventh guy doing IDPA. You guys are still figuring out what the hell 33 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:37,639 it was at that point? Correct Ken Hackerthorne called me he says, this 34 00:02:37,719 --> 00:02:39,879 is a good thing. Joined I said, all right, I love it. 35 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,400 I do. I love the gun industry. Yeah. Now that I'm 36 00:02:44,439 --> 00:02:47,719 working full time for Colt, this is my ninth year. I've done a 37 00:02:47,719 --> 00:02:52,240 few different jobs for Colt. Now I'm settled in. I'm actually the manager 38 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:58,319 of product testing for the Colt Z c Z group. So they so what 39 00:02:58,479 --> 00:03:01,800 people here and what actually happens are two different things. What they hear you 40 00:03:01,879 --> 00:03:07,080 say is I get to shoot guns all the time, and it's really fun. 41 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:12,000 Sometimes that means I have to shoot guns and make them go off thousands 42 00:03:12,039 --> 00:03:15,919 of times a day. Correct, I tell people if the guns are working 43 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,840 correctly, it's a good gig. If you have a gun where you're testing 44 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:23,879 it and you're running into problems because you know, we do all the prototype 45 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:28,879 testing, all the R and D testing, it can take a long time 46 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,960 to sort out things. Working with engineering and the model shop, you're doing 47 00:03:34,039 --> 00:03:37,919 detective work at that point, right. Yeah, I gathered data the best 48 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,439 way for I gathered data for the engineers to dissect and look at it. 49 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,479 The reason they asked me to come over was I'm able to as a shooter 50 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:51,680 articulate what I'm seeing and help direct them to where we need to go. 51 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:54,800 Yeah, because you could hire people to to shoot guns, right, to 52 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,479 grip a gun and pull the trigger. But if something goes wrong, they 53 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,719 got no, it didn't go off. I don't know, it didn't it 54 00:04:02,759 --> 00:04:05,039 didn't eject or something to stop. And you're like, no, it didn't 55 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:11,719 extract. You know you're diagnosed everything, and you know testing is something has 56 00:04:11,759 --> 00:04:14,159 to be done to a certain sequence. We have a test plan that we 57 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,720 have to go by. You don't want to vary from it because, like 58 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:21,839 I said, you're you're collecting data for the company, right. Can you 59 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,120 say, I don't know if you can say this. Can you say how 60 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:30,040 much AMMO you guys go through. I don't want to know how much. 61 00:04:30,079 --> 00:04:33,839 A lot. It's a lot I've heard from other companies. I mean it's 62 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:39,160 incredible, but I mean that's what you want. That's what everybody listening wants. 63 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:44,240 They want you guys to do serious testing on the new products. And 64 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,839 interesting thing is that Cult does that. A lot of companies don't do. 65 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:49,519 Yet. We are one of the few, if not the only, company 66 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:56,720 that every barrel that's made is proof tested and then MPI before it can even 67 00:04:56,759 --> 00:05:00,800 continue on to be used in a production gun. So that means a proof 68 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,399 load is a load that is you have Sammy Speck, which is certain max 69 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,600 that you can use. Max pressure is about one hundred and thirty percent over 70 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:12,319 you know over that it's not a load that anyone would ever shoot in their 71 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:15,160 gun. No, this is in a fixture and the barrel shot. This 72 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,639 is all of our rifle barrels, all of our handgun barrels. Wow. 73 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:25,480 The revolvers are done with six rounds in a of that max pressure thing. 74 00:05:25,879 --> 00:05:29,759 For over pressure you have to guarantee the cylinder and a barrel on the revolver. 75 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,079 Wow. So everyone, So what is I mean? I kind of 76 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:38,480 know the answer. But so if if a barrel wasn't made right, maybe 77 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,519 it wasn't even you know, a lesser barrel. What would happen in a 78 00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:46,279 in a load like that? What would someone see if they had a barrel 79 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,399 that was not up to snuff? Well, we had NBI magnetic particle inspection 80 00:05:49,519 --> 00:05:55,240 where you put electrical charge to the metal and it goes into an oil solution 81 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,519 with metal in it, and the metal will go to that crack and you'll 82 00:05:58,519 --> 00:06:00,360 see it. You'll see as a white man you'll see it. So if 83 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:06,560 there's a crack, wow. But we also do barrel obstruction tests. That's 84 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,759 which we actually plug a barrel and fired a gun. That's like blowing stuff 85 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,720 up on purpose, it is, and what you're looking for is what they 86 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,920 call a good yield. A good yield is if the barrel does rupture, 87 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:23,360 nothing comes back towards the shooter. So you have to all set it up 88 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:30,120 and collect all that data. But it's pretty impressive to see how durable our 89 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,279 products are. When you do things like that. It's like the car companies, 90 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,800 right, they crash cars into walls and stuff, and you got to 91 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:41,040 do all that taste and testing correct. You need to because you're sending sending 92 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:46,040 out a product to the public and it's it's not a cap to a toothpiece, 93 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:48,920 right, it's a different thing. You know. We say that all 94 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:58,959 the time because the products in the gun industry are different. And sometimes we 95 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,959 have people from other industries will come into this industry, you know, if 96 00:07:01,959 --> 00:07:05,879 you will get hired and fired and whatever, and sometimes that you have to 97 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:09,959 have that come to Jesus talk with some of these folks to say, look, 98 00:07:10,759 --> 00:07:14,439 this is a parachute, this is not a widget. This is a 99 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,680 life saving device. It's not just some random thing we make with that'll only 100 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:24,639 stamp it out and who cares like it's we take you guys take great pride 101 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:28,920 in that, right, correct, right. Even how you develop a product, 102 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,000 the steps you go through from designing it, making the prototype, to 103 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:40,319 test out the whole the whole process, and then getting if we're not production 104 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,959 parts in outside vendor parts and testing it again to the final the gun off 105 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,120 the production line. So there's quite a bit of testing going on throughout the 106 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,959 entire process before that gun is deemed we're going to sell it to the public. 107 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,000 Is there is there a part of the testing that's the hardest or the 108 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,360 most tricky part of doing R and D. Do you want to know the 109 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,639 worst part about it? Is loading magazines? Oh yeah, if you're going 110 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,920 to test it them for ten thousand rounds, that's a lot of magazine loads 111 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:15,240 you're doing in nineteen eleven. Yeah, that that is. But you guys 112 00:08:15,279 --> 00:08:16,560 have the you have a favorite mag loader or do you just do it by 113 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,959 hand? Yeah? Mark, your favorite magloader. His name is Mark. 114 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:26,399 Yeah. Yeah, No, we do have Magoula loaders and we've actually made 115 00:08:26,399 --> 00:08:28,480 some other ones up in the model shop that aid And I want to know 116 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:33,320 you guys have to have like, oh, this one's really good. Are 117 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,399 they all? Do you have one that's like, oh, this one's really 118 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,240 good or what's that the load magloader? Yeah? Yeah, the Bagoules seems 119 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:41,279 to be one of the best one. Yeah. Yeah, and it is. 120 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,279 It really is a thumb saver, like you would say, oh, 121 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,440 yes, it's worth having for someone who shoots a lot. Yes, okay, 122 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,080 and I do shoot a lot, even outside of course I compete and 123 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,039 so I'm still proud, which people can't imagine. You shoot all day and 124 00:08:52,679 --> 00:09:00,000 it's different. But a lot of it is just making sure you say, 125 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,919 to test up properly and you document everything. You know, the test report 126 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:09,440 afterwards has to be well done. Photos are a big thing because you don't 127 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,120 know five six years from now something could be called into play that you're gonna 128 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,039 have to bring that test report back up. What you can do, yeah, 129 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,320 absolutely, yeah, obviously, And you guys are tracking it. You've 130 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,320 got all the serial numbers, you got all that stuff, even customer service 131 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,679 anything that's all tracked, everything that's ever called from customer service and everything. 132 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:33,320 Yeah, so it's a lot of fun. I've learned a lot about metals 133 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:39,480 and metallurgy. It's not just pulling triggers all day. There's a lot of 134 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,120 thought and engineering that goes behind it, which I'm glad that I'm part of. 135 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:48,519 I've heard that designing a magazine is one of the harder things to do 136 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,320 in gun world. Yeah it is for some reason. Yeah, they because 137 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,279 you know, don't forget you have an angle the magazine and the grip, 138 00:09:56,399 --> 00:10:01,679 and then the top fee loads and the defeeding of it is a pretty difficult 139 00:10:01,799 --> 00:10:07,120 thing to do. That's why there's only a few magazine manufacturers out there good 140 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,559 at it, and they're making it for all the industry. And if you 141 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,039 get a bad mag what I've been told is the best thing to do is 142 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,240 you take it in your right hand, if you're right handed, and you 143 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,559 throw it as far as you can over the burm. Because a bad mag 144 00:10:22,639 --> 00:10:26,159 is always going to be a bad mag It's gonna just cause problems and make 145 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,440 your gun not run right. And all of our testing and all of my 146 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:35,679 guns, my match guns practice, I number the magazines and if a magazine 147 00:10:35,399 --> 00:10:37,960 starts to have a problem, the same number comes up. Yes, I 148 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,679 deem it no good. People have to understand magazines are disposable and it goes 149 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,840 bad. It's like the oil in your car engine. It's like your shock 150 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:50,120 absorbers. It's not a thing that is the weak link to semi automatic guns, 151 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:54,480 and it will fail and you have to just be willing to let it 152 00:10:54,519 --> 00:10:58,919 go and buy a new one, send it off. What about maintenance on 153 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,559 magazines? Do you change springs or followers, or oil it or do anything 154 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,799 special. I don't oil them because it tends to get gritten and slow it 155 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,799 down. So I do I use Ultra Sonic cleaner online. I do clean 156 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:18,720 mine. Now you got understand. I have practice mags that get beat to 157 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:22,320 death because of all the practicing you do for matches, and then I have 158 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,039 my match magazines that they're only for matches, so they don't get the same 159 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,799 amount of use as my practice ones. And then of course I have my 160 00:11:28,879 --> 00:11:33,080 carry mags that only get used in my carry guns. Yeah, I clean 161 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:39,159 them. Do you can? The springs do wear out, You can replace 162 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,840 the springs, but as far as followers, if anything, you know, 163 00:11:41,919 --> 00:11:46,240 start to get the lips to open up right and you'll get feeding issues there 164 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,120 and once if you start having a problem with the magazine tube. It's time 165 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,240 to get rid of the baggage. Do you think leaving magazines loaded is a 166 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:58,159 problem to do you No, I've never had a I haven't run into an 167 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,279 issue. But people will go if you leave them loaded, it's going to 168 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,559 compress the spring and it's gonna make them not function as well. Well, 169 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,919 that's true, but don't forget you're semio on a Mac has a compressed recoil 170 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,799 spring. As soon as you put the gun back together, that's under pressure 171 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:16,960 all the time too. So bringing in the gun springing the gun. Yeah, 172 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:22,639 so is that going to problem? In my personal experience, I have 173 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:26,799 not had a problem with leaving magazines loaded for a length of time. Yeah. 174 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,320 Well, I mean we're doing all a while to do that and have 175 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:35,559 magazines loaded in a go bag and right, absolutely, probably not a bad 176 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,559 idea to go shoot them occasionally. I guess it's like carry them, we 177 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,720 should shoot that everyone in a while. To put a new carrymo on your 178 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,559 gun every few months. So Mark, let's take a quick break. After 179 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,039 the break, I want to talk about what's new with colt okay securetgun storage 180 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,600 dot com. 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Call six oh five three four eight 231 00:16:48,679 --> 00:16:52,279 five one five zero say you heard about it on gun Talk podcasts and we'd 232 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:57,200 appreciate that more. You can go to black slash Hills dot com. So 233 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:02,919 Mark, you guys are always coming up with stuff. Maybe maybe just give 234 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,799 people an update. Colt c Z, you guys are you guys are going 235 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:12,480 steady now? Yep, if you want to call it that, it's called 236 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:18,720 the Cult c Z group. We've been working well together, we've been complimenting 237 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:22,559 each other. Well. Uh, it was a good boost for Cult to 238 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:29,480 have this opportunity with them. Yeah. They took away a lot of the 239 00:17:29,519 --> 00:17:33,960 debt that we had, so that allowed us to expand into more products, 240 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:37,240 more innovation. I mean, whoever would have thought that we come out with 241 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,599 a bolt action rifle like we did a couple of years ago TBX right, 242 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,519 Yes, when you got when I still feel like, you know, I 243 00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:48,559 got to go out and shoot it in Arizona with you guys and you brought 244 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:52,799 it out and it was fantastic. I still feel like maybe people are not 245 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,519 aware of it, and it's like and it's sometimes that happens. It's like 246 00:17:56,759 --> 00:17:59,799 when you're you're in it, it's like, yeah, but did you guys 247 00:17:59,839 --> 00:18:03,359 know Colt has a bolt gun? I mean, and it's really nice. 248 00:18:03,759 --> 00:18:07,319 It is a nice guy. It's one of the most accurate guns I've ever 249 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:12,279 shot. It's out of the box. It'll it will do sub mlah. 250 00:18:12,519 --> 00:18:18,480 Yeah. We were testing one, the Precision three O eights and there's eighty 251 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:21,400 six hundred rounds to it and it's still shooting under an inch at one hundred 252 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:26,440 yards eighty six hundred rounds. I mean, I'm not an expert at this, 253 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:29,519 but like, wouldn't that Some people would say that shoot out of barrel, 254 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,039 that's what they say. It depends on how well the barrel's made and 255 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,359 the materials that's made out of. But it's I think one of the things 256 00:18:38,519 --> 00:18:41,880 was is okay. Cold came out with a product that never did before. 257 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:47,319 A lot of people are maybe looking, let's wait and see and see how 258 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,960 the people really like it. It's been it hasn't been that long. The 259 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,400 six' five cream more now is coming out. Guys are expanding a super 260 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,839 cartridge also, there's some other cartridges that are into works. So it's been 261 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:06,240 good for us to be a little bit more versatile on what we're doing. 262 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:11,079 The Revolver line is just phenomenal. Yeah, we should talk about that's that's 263 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:12,799 your world. I mean, I know you do all of it, but 264 00:19:14,279 --> 00:19:18,839 you are definitely a Revolver in nineteen eleven, guy, yep, So kind 265 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:22,119 of give us the updates on the Revolver side of things. Well, we 266 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:30,079 have expanded to pythonline with a lot of barrel length. Again, people have 267 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,960 been asking for us, so now two and a half three inch, four 268 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,079 and a quarter five inch, six inch eight inch. I mean, if 269 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,640 you can't find the right flavor for what you want, you're not looking good 270 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:45,759 enough. Super durable, great action right out of the box. Of course, 271 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:51,359 the Anaconic came into forty four magnum. That's a huge success. It's 272 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,720 a great hunting gun. We got four and a quarter inch, we have 273 00:19:53,920 --> 00:20:00,720 the six inch, we have the eight inch. It's just because, like 274 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,279 the Anaconda, huge success. People are all excited about it, and it's 275 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,960 kind of like, you know, bringing out guns and ten or bringing out 276 00:20:08,039 --> 00:20:12,160 something and just these big heavy cartridges. I don't know what it is about. 277 00:20:12,319 --> 00:20:18,160 Maybe it's Americans. We are drawn to this and you go, but 278 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:19,960 man, and then they still go shoot, you know, twenty twos because 279 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,920 those are fun to shoot. But they'll buy a forty four Magnana Conda all 280 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,359 day long. Yep. And if they had the Python, they wanted to 281 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:32,519 buy Dianacona to go with the Python, same barrel. It's right, it's 282 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:36,720 Americana. I guess this is the best way to put it. People love 283 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:42,279 big boar shooting. I mean it's a thing now. I know. There's 284 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:49,279 even been some matches where they've used handgun hunting in field conditions, almost like 285 00:20:49,599 --> 00:20:53,720 the Precision Rifle series, but with handguns. That's cool going out the four 286 00:20:53,799 --> 00:20:59,240 hundred yards. Do anything like that? Yeah? Yeah, are one shooter. 287 00:20:59,799 --> 00:21:03,400 J Least Williams last year did one out in Cameo out in Okay, 288 00:21:03,519 --> 00:21:07,200 Colorado. Yeah, I mean what a facility that is. But so it's 289 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,559 it's something big, it's something pretty neat. That is cool. Now, 290 00:21:11,599 --> 00:21:15,000 you you kind of rang the anacond out. You were telling me a story 291 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:18,960 earlier about shooting it out at distance. Oh yeah, the six inch that 292 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:22,640 we were using for testing, and we were doing some video shoots. We 293 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,599 were up at a Hartford gun club and had one hundred yards on the rifle 294 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,960 range and say, how a steel target that's like a USPA target and standing 295 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:34,160 hit six out of six double action all day. Now, I prefer to 296 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:40,839 shoot my Revolver's double action. I very rarely shoot single action because I roll 297 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,880 through the trigger. It just maybe it just feels more comfortable for me to 298 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:48,920 roll through the trigger. But yeah, they're a really good, good gun. 299 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:55,200 So I know at I tested one with the scope mount on it with 300 00:21:55,359 --> 00:22:00,359 a loophole handgun scoope. Yeah, and I was shooting three inches at fifty 301 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,880 yards with that, So that's awesome. Yeah, that's a neat gun. 302 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:08,480 Yeah it is. There's also a ton of variety of AMMO. When you 303 00:22:08,519 --> 00:22:15,039 think about how how heavy you can go with a forty four magnum to how 304 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,799 light you can go with a forty four special it's an incredible wide range of 305 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,680 things that you can shoot through it. And the same can be said with 306 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:29,079 three fifty seven. There's some true you know, one hundred and eighty grain, 307 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,799 two hundred grain three fifty seven, so you can run thirty eight specials. 308 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,559 And that's the beauty of our pythons and the Anaconas with you adjustable sites, 309 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,119 you can readjust the sites to what you're shooting and just zero writing for 310 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,799 what you're using it for. And people might not realize that they perhaps ought 311 00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:49,599 to recite in you know, read because everyone it's iron sights, iron sights 312 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:53,680 for iron sights. But not necessarily true, right, No, not necessarily 313 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,279 true at all. Every everybody looks at sites are slightly different to begin with. 314 00:22:57,519 --> 00:23:00,359 If I gave you a gun that was dead on for me, you 315 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,000 might look at a little it might not hit the same point of view. 316 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,319 Really, Yeah, Ammo bullet weights and AMMO make a huge difference in where 317 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,400 they impact on a target. Yeah, for sure, it's not just like 318 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:15,000 well it's forty four mag who cares just the bullet weight and the velocity, 319 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,519 And they will print at different heights. And I even see a little windage 320 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:22,039 difference on them. And yeah, you'll find a certain round in your gun 321 00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:26,000 that your gun likes. That's what I was gonna say, that's the one. 322 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:30,720 Yeah, certain guns you try out several different ammos and yeah, it 323 00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:34,119 could be all forty four mag but it likes the one hundred and eighty grain 324 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,799 or it likes the two hundred grain or whatever, or just the brand or 325 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:41,759 the brand. Yeah, and then if you find it, here's a pro 326 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:48,160 tip too, go buy a lot of that lot because it may change in 327 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,119 a few years. It may be a little different. Yes, I agree, 328 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,400 one d per. Grandma didn't make that recipe the same way. Shouldn't 329 00:23:53,400 --> 00:24:00,759 follow a recipe. Well, things change change even just now they have dry 330 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:03,279 to raging now I don't know even the materials that the bullet has made of 331 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,759 changes slightly. Yeah, and that the way grips in the rifling can change 332 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,240 the way it groups. So there's this pistol mark that I don't know if 333 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,599 you've heard about it, but it just seems to really be catching on. 334 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:22,200 It's called the nineteen eleven and it won't die Like this thing is just like 335 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:30,079 ridiculous. So still new guns in the nineteen eleven platform coming out all over 336 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,079 the place. Yeah, a lot of them coming in from overseas. A 337 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:41,599 lot of manufacturer just tells you the timeless design of a nineteen eleven. You 338 00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:44,920 know, some people say they want to improve it, modernize the look and 339 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:51,279 everything. Give me the classic nineteen eleven lines and that that's what I want. 340 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,160 The nineteen eleven is like the AR fifteen. It's the Lego kit for 341 00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:59,799 men. Right, you can do. I can change a nineteen eleven fit 342 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,240 by so much, by different trigger lanes, grip safeties, even thickness of 343 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:08,599 grips and everything. There's so much available for it. But when you just 344 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:14,880 come down to it, a product that was designed that many years ago that 345 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,119 still has to follow me it does today. It's amazing. It's amazing. 346 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,880 If you look at a lot of the things in your house, there's nowhere 347 00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:26,240 near what they were one hundred years ago. But nineteen eleven. Yeah, 348 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:30,440 we've enhanced it with better grip safety, is better thumb safeties. But that 349 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,559 classic design that John Brownie came up with, which a lot of other guns 350 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:38,680 were all based on his designs, it's pretty remarkable. Now in competition, 351 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:44,799 are you shooting nines or thirty eight supers forty five? What are you shooting 352 00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:47,839 these days? It depends on what division I'm shooting, But I prefer to 353 00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:51,839 shoot a forty five. Okay, I'd really like the way forty five feels 354 00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:55,160 in my hand and recoil because it's more of a push in a snap, 355 00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:57,960 is the best way for me to describe it. I do play with the 356 00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:03,319 nine millimeter in USPSA, but I run a heavier bullet. I run a 357 00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:07,240 one forty seven bullet. I'm trying to get that same push instead of snap. 358 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,319 I've noticed that lately. We were doing some some testing on some various 359 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,359 guns and we had, you know, like twelve different loads of This was 360 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,720 in nine twelve different loads of nine for the same gun, and I mean 361 00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:25,279 we went from one hundred grains to one forty seven's. Actually no, we 362 00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:26,599 had We even had some friends, but that was like sixty five grain, 363 00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:33,039 so wide range of stuff, and on that particular gun, at least the 364 00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:37,079 one forty seven's were the most comfortable to shoot, because it's just I think 365 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,279 you're right, it has that push push push, not a not a wow 366 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,960 wow wow cry thing. Yeah, that's what I like about it, you 367 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,759 know. I and that's the forty five to me is also a very forgiving 368 00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:53,799 round. And what I mean by that is you can have just about any 369 00:26:53,839 --> 00:27:00,000 flavor any manufacturers forty five two hundred and thirty grain and you all shoot well. 370 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:03,759 It's almost like a three zero eight multaction rifle. It's very forgiving. 371 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:06,400 And what amimal you put in, they all seem to shoot a good group. 372 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,960 They will shoot better with some than others, but you can always it'll 373 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,319 always shoot what you wanted to do. Also, for it seems like forty 374 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:18,640 five's are a little bit more reliable as far as just functionality. Yeah, 375 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,240 because the gun was made to feed that length bullet nine millimeters a little shorter. 376 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,480 That's why thirty eight super seems to feed better in a nineteen eleven coast 377 00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:30,720 it's the same length as that forty five. Okayall cartridge, Yeah, yeah, 378 00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:33,200 I load mine a little long to make it a little bit better. 379 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,519 And don't for magazine development over the years has been a lot better for the 380 00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:44,799 nine millimeters or something. Checkmate makes a great one, Meguard does, so 381 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,920 that helps the reliability of it. But just the manufacturing today, the C 382 00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:53,720 and C machine and keeping everything so tight in tolerance is that there's no more 383 00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:57,680 having to hand fit guns like they did in the past because the guns are 384 00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:00,640 the parts are so well made today. How much do you think that? 385 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,359 I mean, I look at a forty five ACP you know, a ball 386 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,200 round, and it looks like a big scoop of ice cream, you know, 387 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:12,119 out there, and it's just the shape of that just seems like it 388 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:17,319 would be friendly for feeding. Yes, right, yep, there are. 389 00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:22,000 And then you've have wad cutters. Sometimes semi wad cutters can be you have 390 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,000 the sharp shoulders, I mean, like a heath bullet or something. They 391 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,920 can catch even the holowpoints, the hollow points they carry. My gun have 392 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,160 a nice rounded shape in the front, even though it's a hollow point. 393 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,759 You don't want that blunt mine, you know, I polish mine, tuned 394 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:41,960 mine, don't forget. Nineteen eleven is a control feed round, right, 395 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:45,359 so it has to come up under the extractor when it's going in, So 396 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,799 that extractor has to be tuned right in order for it to feed really nice. 397 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,039 Yeah, So fortunately, I think that a lot of nineteen eleven's these 398 00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:56,400 days come from the factory ready to shoot. Yep. I mean I think 399 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,720 back in the you know, quote quote old days, there was a lot 400 00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:03,039 of tuning that happened. We bought a gun, send it to a gunsmith. 401 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:07,079 R Now you don't Yeah, yeah, you don't have to at least 402 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,000 right, don't forget. You talked to all the top gunsmiths and they still 403 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:11,559 want to do all the work on the cult. This is Colt on it. 404 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:15,799 Oh yeah, you know, they just the metal and the frame and 405 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,559 the slides. It's just a better canvas for them to work with than a 406 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:25,839 lot of the other manufacturers. But yeah, and I mean, who would 407 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:32,880 think that people are still using guns from World War Two, their gun souvenirs 408 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,559 that their father had, or you know, nineteen eleven, nineteen seventeen manufactured 409 00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:40,960 guns. It's totally amazing. It is amazing. And I'm not talking about 410 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,240 pul too. All the gun manufacturers. We have guns from years going by 411 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,839 that people are still using. It's pretty impressive about the gun industry and what 412 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:52,680 we've made over the years. Well, it's one of the few consumer products. 413 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,400 I've said on this show, We've said it on radio. It's a 414 00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:00,599 few consumer products where you buy it and you fully expect for it to last 415 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:04,480 generations if you take care of it one hundred years or more. Yep. 416 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,480 I mean there's no reason why you shouldn't have that reasonable expectation on a product 417 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,960 which nowadays I mean, gosh, you could. That's not the case at 418 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,640 all. I mean you're refrigerator. The guy will like, yeah, we 419 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,839 expect it to break in five years. You just throw it away, Like 420 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,559 are you serious? Right, because you can't maintain it though, yeah, 421 00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:23,799 the new new or a firearm, maintenance is a very important part of it. 422 00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:27,559 But you can still do maintenance on it. Yeah. My spring, 423 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:33,200 I tell people springs are a big thing. On nineteen elevens. My recoil 424 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,480 spring on a five inch gun, a government model. I'm changing every five 425 00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:40,680 to six thousand rounds because they do get whooped is the best way to describe 426 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,079 it. They get compressed and they lose it a little bit. My main 427 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,799 spring, my Seers spring fire print. Once a year they get replaced, 428 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,799 okay. And it's you know, like maintaining your car. It's mechanical. 429 00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:56,079 If you maintain your car, you'll get two hundred three hundred thousand miles out 430 00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:59,359 of it. If you don't take care of it, it's not going to 431 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,240 last that long. But it's the same thing with the firearms. Once you 432 00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:04,519 start getting springs weekend, that's when you start hurting the gun they get. 433 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:08,960 They can beat themselves up because they're pounding against each other well. And then 434 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,799 the other part is the more you shoot it, the better it gets. 435 00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:17,640 With guns like that, that just smooths out. It's just perfect. And 436 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,200 I tell you, I can build three guns that I think are identical, 437 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,160 and they're gonna be one of those three that's the one that just seems to 438 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,039 shoot better in my hand than the other two all the time. I don't 439 00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:30,079 know why, as well as you try to make them a little little things. 440 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,839 But yeah, man, we appreciate you coming down. We always have 441 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,279 fun. I appreciate being here. Good to catch up you guys. Go 442 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,960 check them out? Where should they go? To find out more about what 443 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,720 you guys are up to, Mark go to Cult website. Cult website yep, 444 00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:48,640 okay, yep for all the products around there a lot of things. 445 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,559 We do have a Facebook page, Instagram, so there's a lot of things 446 00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:57,559 going on at Cult. So our next show that anybody's gonna see us at 447 00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:00,359 would be the NA Ratio. There's year come by to boot see what we 448 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,440 have to go harassed. Mark. All Right, guys, that's it for 449 00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:09,599 us. We'll see you next time on gun talk Nation. To see all 450 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:15,279 of guntalk'scontent, go to gun talk dot com, gun talk tv dot com, 451 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,319 or sign up for the gun Talk newsletter.