This is not a widget. This is a life saving device. It's not
just some random thing we make with metal and we stamp it out and who
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Ready and Secure It all right, Welcome in a guntognation today on Guntognation,
mister Mark Reddel Cult Firearms. Welcome in. Man, dude, you're we've
been doing this for a few years now, haven't we. Yes, we
had like a lot. I want to talk about it, yesting. We're
shooting season sixteen of Guns and Gear. Can you believe that? No,
I was a wee lad when this thing started. Wow, I was actually
on there. Well you grew up into business, Yeah, I did heritage,
Yeah, I would. You know, my dad would go out on
photo shoots for magazines and you know, I'd I'd come along to help out.
Sometimes they'd hand me a rifle and say sit up against that tree and
you know, look this way, look that way, And I'd say,
Dad, should I take my swatchwatch off? Before He's like, yeah,
definitely take that crap off. So that's an eighties reference for all you kids
out there. But yeah, I grew up in it. Man, you
kind of grew up in firearms though. I mean, just you've been doing
how long have you been competing in shooting a long time? I actually didn't
get When I was a kid, toy guns were a big thing for me.
Yeah. I always loft toy guns. Toy guns. We did not
have guns in our household. That's growing up. Yeah. See. It's
interesting because there's so many people that we are around who always to say,
you know, just grew up around it, grub shooting, grub hunting.
But there are those people who Nope, I didn't, we didn't have guns.
No. I got into it after college eighty one. Uh snowballed,
if you want to call it that. I've been shooting for COLT. This
is my sixteenth year and there was a few years I shot before that.
So yeah, what's IDPA now? Thirty years? I think? Yeah?
And my id was number eleven. Oh wow, so I in a long
time eleventh guy doing IDPA. You guys are still figuring out what the hell
it was at that point? Correct Ken Hackerthorne called me he says, this
is a good thing. Joined I said, all right, I love it.
I do. I love the gun industry. Yeah. Now that I'm
working full time for Colt, this is my ninth year. I've done a
few different jobs for Colt. Now I'm settled in. I'm actually the manager
of product testing for the Colt Z c Z group. So they so what
people here and what actually happens are two different things. What they hear you
say is I get to shoot guns all the time, and it's really fun.
Sometimes that means I have to shoot guns and make them go off thousands
of times a day. Correct, I tell people if the guns are working
correctly, it's a good gig. If you have a gun where you're testing
it and you're running into problems because you know, we do all the prototype
testing, all the R and D testing, it can take a long time
to sort out things. Working with engineering and the model shop, you're doing
detective work at that point, right. Yeah, I gathered data the best
way for I gathered data for the engineers to dissect and look at it.
The reason they asked me to come over was I'm able to as a shooter
articulate what I'm seeing and help direct them to where we need to go.
Yeah, because you could hire people to to shoot guns, right, to
grip a gun and pull the trigger. But if something goes wrong, they
got no, it didn't go off. I don't know, it didn't it
didn't eject or something to stop. And you're like, no, it didn't
extract. You know you're diagnosed everything, and you know testing is something has
to be done to a certain sequence. We have a test plan that we
have to go by. You don't want to vary from it because, like
I said, you're you're collecting data for the company, right. Can you
say, I don't know if you can say this. Can you say how
much AMMO you guys go through. I don't want to know how much.
A lot. It's a lot I've heard from other companies. I mean it's
incredible, but I mean that's what you want. That's what everybody listening wants.
They want you guys to do serious testing on the new products. And
interesting thing is that Cult does that. A lot of companies don't do.
Yet. We are one of the few, if not the only, company
that every barrel that's made is proof tested and then MPI before it can even
continue on to be used in a production gun. So that means a proof
load is a load that is you have Sammy Speck, which is certain max
that you can use. Max pressure is about one hundred and thirty percent over
you know over that it's not a load that anyone would ever shoot in their
gun. No, this is in a fixture and the barrel shot. This
is all of our rifle barrels, all of our handgun barrels. Wow.
The revolvers are done with six rounds in a of that max pressure thing.
For over pressure you have to guarantee the cylinder and a barrel on the revolver.
Wow. So everyone, So what is I mean? I kind of
know the answer. But so if if a barrel wasn't made right, maybe
it wasn't even you know, a lesser barrel. What would happen in a
in a load like that? What would someone see if they had a barrel
that was not up to snuff? Well, we had NBI magnetic particle inspection
where you put electrical charge to the metal and it goes into an oil solution
with metal in it, and the metal will go to that crack and you'll
see it. You'll see as a white man you'll see it. So if
there's a crack, wow. But we also do barrel obstruction tests. That's
which we actually plug a barrel and fired a gun. That's like blowing stuff
up on purpose, it is, and what you're looking for is what they
call a good yield. A good yield is if the barrel does rupture,
nothing comes back towards the shooter. So you have to all set it up
and collect all that data. But it's pretty impressive to see how durable our
products are. When you do things like that. It's like the car companies,
right, they crash cars into walls and stuff, and you got to
do all that taste and testing correct. You need to because you're sending sending
out a product to the public and it's it's not a cap to a toothpiece,
right, it's a different thing. You know. We say that all
the time because the products in the gun industry are different. And sometimes we
have people from other industries will come into this industry, you know, if
you will get hired and fired and whatever, and sometimes that you have to
have that come to Jesus talk with some of these folks to say, look,
this is a parachute, this is not a widget. This is a
life saving device. It's not just some random thing we make with that'll only
stamp it out and who cares like it's we take you guys take great pride
in that, right, correct, right. Even how you develop a product,
the steps you go through from designing it, making the prototype, to
test out the whole the whole process, and then getting if we're not production
parts in outside vendor parts and testing it again to the final the gun off
the production line. So there's quite a bit of testing going on throughout the
entire process before that gun is deemed we're going to sell it to the public.
Is there is there a part of the testing that's the hardest or the
most tricky part of doing R and D. Do you want to know the
worst part about it? Is loading magazines? Oh yeah, if you're going
to test it them for ten thousand rounds, that's a lot of magazine loads
you're doing in nineteen eleven. Yeah, that that is. But you guys
have the you have a favorite mag loader or do you just do it by
hand? Yeah? Mark, your favorite magloader. His name is Mark.
Yeah. Yeah, No, we do have Magoula loaders and we've actually made
some other ones up in the model shop that aid And I want to know
you guys have to have like, oh, this one's really good. Are
they all? Do you have one that's like, oh, this one's really
good or what's that the load magloader? Yeah? Yeah, the Bagoules seems
to be one of the best one. Yeah. Yeah, and it is.
It really is a thumb saver, like you would say, oh,
yes, it's worth having for someone who shoots a lot. Yes, okay,
and I do shoot a lot, even outside of course I compete and
so I'm still proud, which people can't imagine. You shoot all day and
it's different. But a lot of it is just making sure you say,
to test up properly and you document everything. You know, the test report
afterwards has to be well done. Photos are a big thing because you don't
know five six years from now something could be called into play that you're gonna
have to bring that test report back up. What you can do, yeah,
absolutely, yeah, obviously, And you guys are tracking it. You've
got all the serial numbers, you got all that stuff, even customer service
anything that's all tracked, everything that's ever called from customer service and everything.
Yeah, so it's a lot of fun. I've learned a lot about metals
and metallurgy. It's not just pulling triggers all day. There's a lot of
thought and engineering that goes behind it, which I'm glad that I'm part of.
I've heard that designing a magazine is one of the harder things to do
in gun world. Yeah it is for some reason. Yeah, they because
you know, don't forget you have an angle the magazine and the grip,
and then the top fee loads and the defeeding of it is a pretty difficult
thing to do. That's why there's only a few magazine manufacturers out there good
at it, and they're making it for all the industry. And if you
get a bad mag what I've been told is the best thing to do is
you take it in your right hand, if you're right handed, and you
throw it as far as you can over the burm. Because a bad mag
is always going to be a bad mag It's gonna just cause problems and make
your gun not run right. And all of our testing and all of my
guns, my match guns practice, I number the magazines and if a magazine
starts to have a problem, the same number comes up. Yes, I
deem it no good. People have to understand magazines are disposable and it goes
bad. It's like the oil in your car engine. It's like your shock
absorbers. It's not a thing that is the weak link to semi automatic guns,
and it will fail and you have to just be willing to let it
go and buy a new one, send it off. What about maintenance on
magazines? Do you change springs or followers, or oil it or do anything
special. I don't oil them because it tends to get gritten and slow it
down. So I do I use Ultra Sonic cleaner online. I do clean
mine. Now you got understand. I have practice mags that get beat to
death because of all the practicing you do for matches, and then I have
my match magazines that they're only for matches, so they don't get the same
amount of use as my practice ones. And then of course I have my
carry mags that only get used in my carry guns. Yeah, I clean
them. Do you can? The springs do wear out, You can replace
the springs, but as far as followers, if anything, you know,
start to get the lips to open up right and you'll get feeding issues there
and once if you start having a problem with the magazine tube. It's time
to get rid of the baggage. Do you think leaving magazines loaded is a
problem to do you No, I've never had a I haven't run into an
issue. But people will go if you leave them loaded, it's going to
compress the spring and it's gonna make them not function as well. Well,
that's true, but don't forget you're semio on a Mac has a compressed recoil
spring. As soon as you put the gun back together, that's under pressure
all the time too. So bringing in the gun springing the gun. Yeah,
so is that going to problem? In my personal experience, I have
not had a problem with leaving magazines loaded for a length of time. Yeah.
Well, I mean we're doing all a while to do that and have
magazines loaded in a go bag and right, absolutely, probably not a bad
idea to go shoot them occasionally. I guess it's like carry them, we
should shoot that everyone in a while. To put a new carrymo on your
gun every few months. So Mark, let's take a quick break. After
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Mark, you guys are always coming up with stuff. Maybe maybe just give
people an update. Colt c Z, you guys are you guys are going
steady now? Yep, if you want to call it that, it's called
the Cult c Z group. We've been working well together, we've been complimenting
each other. Well. Uh, it was a good boost for Cult to
have this opportunity with them. Yeah. They took away a lot of the
debt that we had, so that allowed us to expand into more products,
more innovation. I mean, whoever would have thought that we come out with
a bolt action rifle like we did a couple of years ago TBX right,
Yes, when you got when I still feel like, you know, I
got to go out and shoot it in Arizona with you guys and you brought
it out and it was fantastic. I still feel like maybe people are not
aware of it, and it's like and it's sometimes that happens. It's like
when you're you're in it, it's like, yeah, but did you guys
know Colt has a bolt gun? I mean, and it's really nice.
It is a nice guy. It's one of the most accurate guns I've ever
shot. It's out of the box. It'll it will do sub mlah.
Yeah. We were testing one, the Precision three O eights and there's eighty
six hundred rounds to it and it's still shooting under an inch at one hundred
yards eighty six hundred rounds. I mean, I'm not an expert at this,
but like, wouldn't that Some people would say that shoot out of barrel,
that's what they say. It depends on how well the barrel's made and
the materials that's made out of. But it's I think one of the things
was is okay. Cold came out with a product that never did before.
A lot of people are maybe looking, let's wait and see and see how
the people really like it. It's been it hasn't been that long. The
six' five cream more now is coming out. Guys are expanding a super
cartridge also, there's some other cartridges that are into works. So it's been
good for us to be a little bit more versatile on what we're doing.
The Revolver line is just phenomenal. Yeah, we should talk about that's that's
your world. I mean, I know you do all of it, but
you are definitely a Revolver in nineteen eleven, guy, yep, So kind
of give us the updates on the Revolver side of things. Well, we
have expanded to pythonline with a lot of barrel length. Again, people have
been asking for us, so now two and a half three inch, four
and a quarter five inch, six inch eight inch. I mean, if
you can't find the right flavor for what you want, you're not looking good
enough. Super durable, great action right out of the box. Of course,
the Anaconic came into forty four magnum. That's a huge success. It's
a great hunting gun. We got four and a quarter inch, we have
the six inch, we have the eight inch. It's just because, like
the Anaconda, huge success. People are all excited about it, and it's
kind of like, you know, bringing out guns and ten or bringing out
something and just these big heavy cartridges. I don't know what it is about.
Maybe it's Americans. We are drawn to this and you go, but
man, and then they still go shoot, you know, twenty twos because
those are fun to shoot. But they'll buy a forty four Magnana Conda all
day long. Yep. And if they had the Python, they wanted to
buy Dianacona to go with the Python, same barrel. It's right, it's
Americana. I guess this is the best way to put it. People love
big boar shooting. I mean it's a thing now. I know. There's
even been some matches where they've used handgun hunting in field conditions, almost like
the Precision Rifle series, but with handguns. That's cool going out the four
hundred yards. Do anything like that? Yeah? Yeah, are one shooter.
J Least Williams last year did one out in Cameo out in Okay,
Colorado. Yeah, I mean what a facility that is. But so it's
it's something big, it's something pretty neat. That is cool. Now,
you you kind of rang the anacond out. You were telling me a story
earlier about shooting it out at distance. Oh yeah, the six inch that
we were using for testing, and we were doing some video shoots. We
were up at a Hartford gun club and had one hundred yards on the rifle
range and say, how a steel target that's like a USPA target and standing
hit six out of six double action all day. Now, I prefer to
shoot my Revolver's double action. I very rarely shoot single action because I roll
through the trigger. It just maybe it just feels more comfortable for me to
roll through the trigger. But yeah, they're a really good, good gun.
So I know at I tested one with the scope mount on it with
a loophole handgun scoope. Yeah, and I was shooting three inches at fifty
yards with that, So that's awesome. Yeah, that's a neat gun.
Yeah it is. There's also a ton of variety of AMMO. When you
think about how how heavy you can go with a forty four magnum to how
light you can go with a forty four special it's an incredible wide range of
things that you can shoot through it. And the same can be said with
three fifty seven. There's some true you know, one hundred and eighty grain,
two hundred grain three fifty seven, so you can run thirty eight specials.
And that's the beauty of our pythons and the Anaconas with you adjustable sites,
you can readjust the sites to what you're shooting and just zero writing for
what you're using it for. And people might not realize that they perhaps ought
to recite in you know, read because everyone it's iron sights, iron sights
for iron sights. But not necessarily true, right, No, not necessarily
true at all. Every everybody looks at sites are slightly different to begin with.
If I gave you a gun that was dead on for me, you
might look at a little it might not hit the same point of view.
Really, Yeah, Ammo bullet weights and AMMO make a huge difference in where
they impact on a target. Yeah, for sure, it's not just like
well it's forty four mag who cares just the bullet weight and the velocity,
And they will print at different heights. And I even see a little windage
difference on them. And yeah, you'll find a certain round in your gun
that your gun likes. That's what I was gonna say, that's the one.
Yeah, certain guns you try out several different ammos and yeah, it
could be all forty four mag but it likes the one hundred and eighty grain
or it likes the two hundred grain or whatever, or just the brand or
the brand. Yeah, and then if you find it, here's a pro
tip too, go buy a lot of that lot because it may change in
a few years. It may be a little different. Yes, I agree,
one d per. Grandma didn't make that recipe the same way. Shouldn't
follow a recipe. Well, things change change even just now they have dry
to raging now I don't know even the materials that the bullet has made of
changes slightly. Yeah, and that the way grips in the rifling can change
the way it groups. So there's this pistol mark that I don't know if
you've heard about it, but it just seems to really be catching on.
It's called the nineteen eleven and it won't die Like this thing is just like
ridiculous. So still new guns in the nineteen eleven platform coming out all over
the place. Yeah, a lot of them coming in from overseas. A
lot of manufacturer just tells you the timeless design of a nineteen eleven. You
know, some people say they want to improve it, modernize the look and
everything. Give me the classic nineteen eleven lines and that that's what I want.
The nineteen eleven is like the AR fifteen. It's the Lego kit for
men. Right, you can do. I can change a nineteen eleven fit
by so much, by different trigger lanes, grip safeties, even thickness of
grips and everything. There's so much available for it. But when you just
come down to it, a product that was designed that many years ago that
still has to follow me it does today. It's amazing. It's amazing.
If you look at a lot of the things in your house, there's nowhere
near what they were one hundred years ago. But nineteen eleven. Yeah,
we've enhanced it with better grip safety, is better thumb safeties. But that
classic design that John Brownie came up with, which a lot of other guns
were all based on his designs, it's pretty remarkable. Now in competition,
are you shooting nines or thirty eight supers forty five? What are you shooting
these days? It depends on what division I'm shooting, But I prefer to
shoot a forty five. Okay, I'd really like the way forty five feels
in my hand and recoil because it's more of a push in a snap,
is the best way for me to describe it. I do play with the
nine millimeter in USPSA, but I run a heavier bullet. I run a
one forty seven bullet. I'm trying to get that same push instead of snap.
I've noticed that lately. We were doing some some testing on some various
guns and we had, you know, like twelve different loads of This was
in nine twelve different loads of nine for the same gun, and I mean
we went from one hundred grains to one forty seven's. Actually no, we
had We even had some friends, but that was like sixty five grain,
so wide range of stuff, and on that particular gun, at least the
one forty seven's were the most comfortable to shoot, because it's just I think
you're right, it has that push push push, not a not a wow
wow wow cry thing. Yeah, that's what I like about it, you
know. I and that's the forty five to me is also a very forgiving
round. And what I mean by that is you can have just about any
flavor any manufacturers forty five two hundred and thirty grain and you all shoot well.
It's almost like a three zero eight multaction rifle. It's very forgiving.
And what amimal you put in, they all seem to shoot a good group.
They will shoot better with some than others, but you can always it'll
always shoot what you wanted to do. Also, for it seems like forty
five's are a little bit more reliable as far as just functionality. Yeah,
because the gun was made to feed that length bullet nine millimeters a little shorter.
That's why thirty eight super seems to feed better in a nineteen eleven coast
it's the same length as that forty five. Okayall cartridge, Yeah, yeah,
I load mine a little long to make it a little bit better.
And don't for magazine development over the years has been a lot better for the
nine millimeters or something. Checkmate makes a great one, Meguard does, so
that helps the reliability of it. But just the manufacturing today, the C
and C machine and keeping everything so tight in tolerance is that there's no more
having to hand fit guns like they did in the past because the guns are
the parts are so well made today. How much do you think that?
I mean, I look at a forty five ACP you know, a ball
round, and it looks like a big scoop of ice cream, you know,
out there, and it's just the shape of that just seems like it
would be friendly for feeding. Yes, right, yep, there are.
And then you've have wad cutters. Sometimes semi wad cutters can be you have
the sharp shoulders, I mean, like a heath bullet or something. They
can catch even the holowpoints, the hollow points they carry. My gun have
a nice rounded shape in the front, even though it's a hollow point.
You don't want that blunt mine, you know, I polish mine, tuned
mine, don't forget. Nineteen eleven is a control feed round, right,
so it has to come up under the extractor when it's going in, So
that extractor has to be tuned right in order for it to feed really nice.
Yeah, So fortunately, I think that a lot of nineteen eleven's these
days come from the factory ready to shoot. Yep. I mean I think
back in the you know, quote quote old days, there was a lot
of tuning that happened. We bought a gun, send it to a gunsmith.
R Now you don't Yeah, yeah, you don't have to at least
right, don't forget. You talked to all the top gunsmiths and they still
want to do all the work on the cult. This is Colt on it.
Oh yeah, you know, they just the metal and the frame and
the slides. It's just a better canvas for them to work with than a
lot of the other manufacturers. But yeah, and I mean, who would
think that people are still using guns from World War Two, their gun souvenirs
that their father had, or you know, nineteen eleven, nineteen seventeen manufactured
guns. It's totally amazing. It is amazing. And I'm not talking about
pul too. All the gun manufacturers. We have guns from years going by
that people are still using. It's pretty impressive about the gun industry and what
we've made over the years. Well, it's one of the few consumer products.
I've said on this show, We've said it on radio. It's a
few consumer products where you buy it and you fully expect for it to last
generations if you take care of it one hundred years or more. Yep.
I mean there's no reason why you shouldn't have that reasonable expectation on a product
which nowadays I mean, gosh, you could. That's not the case at
all. I mean you're refrigerator. The guy will like, yeah, we
expect it to break in five years. You just throw it away, Like
are you serious? Right, because you can't maintain it though, yeah,
the new new or a firearm, maintenance is a very important part of it.
But you can still do maintenance on it. Yeah. My spring,
I tell people springs are a big thing. On nineteen elevens. My recoil
spring on a five inch gun, a government model. I'm changing every five
to six thousand rounds because they do get whooped is the best way to describe
it. They get compressed and they lose it a little bit. My main
spring, my Seers spring fire print. Once a year they get replaced,
okay. And it's you know, like maintaining your car. It's mechanical.
If you maintain your car, you'll get two hundred three hundred thousand miles out
of it. If you don't take care of it, it's not going to
last that long. But it's the same thing with the firearms. Once you
start getting springs weekend, that's when you start hurting the gun they get.
They can beat themselves up because they're pounding against each other well. And then
the other part is the more you shoot it, the better it gets.
With guns like that, that just smooths out. It's just perfect. And
I tell you, I can build three guns that I think are identical,
and they're gonna be one of those three that's the one that just seems to
shoot better in my hand than the other two all the time. I don't
know why, as well as you try to make them a little little things.
But yeah, man, we appreciate you coming down. We always have
fun. I appreciate being here. Good to catch up you guys. Go
check them out? Where should they go? To find out more about what
you guys are up to, Mark go to Cult website. Cult website yep,
okay, yep for all the products around there a lot of things.
We do have a Facebook page, Instagram, so there's a lot of things
going on at Cult. So our next show that anybody's gonna see us at
would be the NA Ratio. There's year come by to boot see what we
have to go harassed. Mark. All Right, guys, that's it for
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