WEBVTT 1 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:18.039 That's good. That's good. Now I can hear you. Now, I 2 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:21.839 can hear you. Okay, I was you you were you were really light 3 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:24.160 lowered, so it was hard to hear. This is all the stuff here. 4 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:26.079 I'm supposed to get out of the way ahead of time, but I 5 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:30.839 never do. I always Uh, I'm always late for everything and last minute 6 00:00:30.839 --> 00:00:36.799 on the fly. Adoptability and flexibility. That's the Marine Corps policy. And 7 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:42.719 uh, and I'm very flexible about being late. I guess that's not a 8 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:47.719 good thing. Yeah, my MS was anti tank and then it was a 9 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:55.920 bold fuel two m U s's didn't excel to either one of them. So, 10 00:00:56.119 --> 00:00:59.119 uh, well, can you explain a little bit about uh, those 11 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:02.960 two jobs and what it was like to be a part of them. Well, 12 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:03.959 I went in the Marine Corps. Let me let me back it up. 13 00:01:03.959 --> 00:01:07.799 I went in the Marine Corps, went to boot camp, went to 14 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.159 infantry school, so that's where I became an anti tanker and then uh, 15 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:15.560 and then I went to reserves and and I would do reserve duty up in 16 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:19.400 the university. I took a semester off of college to go in the Marine 17 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:22.560 Corps. So I always wanted to be a marine and you know, and 18 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:26.719 I'm very patriotic and all that, and uh and I wanted to see how 19 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:30.640 tough I was. So I went in a Marine Corps. But I didn't 20 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:33.040 want to do I didn't want to do active duty. That wasn't for me. 21 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:40.599 So I went to anti tank. I went to Anti tank school in 22 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:44.840 Campbell June and then uh and then I was doing that when I was in 23 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:48.159 college. When I went back to college in Delaware, I was a bulk 24 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:53.040 fueller because I lived in Florida. So there I was anti tank. That 25 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:55.640 I was with an anti tank you know which. Then I ended up being 26 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:59.480 transferred because that was in Miami and I lived in West Palm Beach. Uh. 27 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:05.439 So I ended up being transferred to Anglico Unit and uh and I was 28 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:08.439 there for I do like two meetings you like you do one weekend a month 29 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:12.319 and two weeks every summer, and so like I would do my one weekend 30 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:17.680 and my two weekends of my one weekend a month with with with the so 31 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:22.120 for two weekends for two months in the summer, and then I'd go back 32 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:25.240 up to Delaware University of Delaware I went to college and I would do the 33 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:30.120 rest of the year is a bulk Fueller. So I had a lot of 34 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:35.759 moss. But basically I couldn't fit in the unif in any addressed uniforms because 35 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:38.800 you know, as I got them custom fit, so I did never I 36 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:42.800 never had it, and I was always so I always had I always was 37 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:45.360 off to the side basically, and they're like, you know, he's not 38 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:46.439 here for the whole year, he's not gonna be here for the two weeks 39 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:53.719 summer duty, so we'll just let him slot it out. Basically, Hey, 40 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:55.080 it happens, man, But uh, I also want to ask you, 41 00:02:55.560 --> 00:03:00.000 so being in a basic training for the Marines is not for being very 42 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:02.479 hardcore, but it's also I know, after being in basic, it is 43 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:05.439 one of the funniest places. You're not allowed to laugh. Do you have 44 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:09.319 any stories from basic that you remember that were really funny or anything? Yeah? 45 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:13.439 The uh yeah, well in boot camp, that's the thing. In 46 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:15.000 the Marine Corps, at least back in the day, you weren't allowed to 47 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:20.000 talk to anybody, so you you were always had to be you always had 48 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:23.280 to be shut up or or you're getting yelled at, you know, you're 49 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:27.919 getting yelled at, or you were just in solitude because you weren't allowed to 50 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:32.000 talk and you were can and the entire day was spent doing from the minute 51 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:35.479 you woke up, you know, and they're banging the garbage cans to wake 52 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:42.560 you up until uh, until you until maybe an hour before bedtime. You 53 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:46.360 were on the go, so you were never talking to anybody, so you 54 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:50.599 didn't have you didn't know if anybody was funny. But but the drill instructors 55 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:52.719 were funny. They you know, they weren't trying to be funny, but 56 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:57.520 like you know, they would see somebody would allow the that's is this is 57 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:00.240 a funny part too. You had to shine your boots. You had to 58 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:03.800 make your boots shiny, which is ridiculous if you think about it, because 59 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.719 it would just give you a way to the enemy. But it's just uh 60 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:11.599 and and you know, you know, because you don't have shiny boots in 61 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:15.960 the field. But uh, anyway, you had to shine your boots and 62 00:04:15.040 --> 00:04:20.360 shine your your belt buckle. It was just basically to just teach you organization 63 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:26.160 and stuff and uh. But they were people that didn't shine their boots real 64 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:28.720 well. They would go, what are you shining out with a hershey bar, 65 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:32.680 which is amusing or they would go, or they like, you know 66 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:36.959 those little strings you have hanging off your shirt sometimes like they're called Irish pennants. 67 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:40.959 Yeah, but uh, the little strings that hang off, you know, 68 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:45.399 on all clothing that uh it's they go, what are you going? 69 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:46.720 They see one on you, you know, because you had to be you 70 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:51.319 know, locked and you know, locked and cocked and I forget all expressions, 71 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:54.399 but you got to be all you know, so you had to you 72 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:59.600 you gotta be your boots shined, your your camouflage pressed. You know, 73 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:03.319 you know you had iron your camouflage. You had to make sure you were 74 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:08.839 squared away and and see if you had one of those little strings hanging off 75 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:13.639 your shirt, they'd be like, what are you going? Repelling? They 76 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:16.720 always have something real quippi to say if you have like a decision to make. 77 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:20.319 But if you start laughing and they yell at you even more, what 78 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:24.759 do you think that's funny? No, sir, recruit does not think this 79 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:29.920 is funny. Sir. Oh yeah, I remember if you had like a 80 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:31.759 choice to make in front of you and you chose the wrong one, immediately 81 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:34.360 you'ld hear something like dang training, you had a fifty to fifty chance, 82 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:38.120 you got it one hundred percent wrong. That was just the constant thing from 83 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:44.639 certain mptis that were walking around our building with an EMPI. So for the 84 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:46.800 Air Force, we call them military training instructors. I believe you guys called 85 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:51.519 them a drill instructors. Yeah, d's yeah, okay, same but different. 86 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:56.360 But yeah. So I also heard that after college you did some stand 87 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:58.959 up comedy for a while. Can you tell us a little bit about that. 88 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:01.279 No, I didn't just end up until about till before COVID, until 89 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:06.480 about twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty sixteen. Maybe I forget when I 90 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:11.759 started. I didn't do a whole lot of it though, But but but 91 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:15.600 I did well, I you know, like I always had My audiences were 92 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:17.920 always laughing, you know, so I thought I did well. You know, 93 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:21.319 I never I never really bombed, you know, which is lucky. 94 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:28.480 Ain't nothing wrong with that. I mean it's a nice little experience. Yeah, 95 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:30.000 I'm you know, like I had no problem with bombing, you know, 96 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:33.439 like you know, but I just wanted to see, you know, 97 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:36.040 how funny I if I could, if I could make audiences laugh, you 98 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:40.959 know. So I did it all with with jokes. Now, with wrestling 99 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:46.720 stories. You know, yeah that's fair, and people would be like and 100 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:48.959 people would be like trying to, you know, telling me to you know, 101 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:53.160 write write material like you know, wrestling material. You know, I 102 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:55.360 tell stories, and I'm like, but I want to I want to be 103 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:58.759 known for I want to write jokes. I want I want to get over 104 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:01.560 for my comedy and in the wrestling, I'll just throw in some jokes at 105 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:04.560 the end, you know, or somewhere through it, I'll throw some wrestling 106 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:11.839 stuff in. But uh yeah, yeah, it's uh, it was. 107 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:14.920 It was a unique experience and you know, I did it at about twenty 108 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:19.360 times, I guess something like that. Like that's pretty cool honestly that you 109 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:21.759 were able to try to branch out like that and try to keep your other 110 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:25.560 skills from the past, uh away from it, you know, yeah, 111 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:28.560 you know, but like it got boring like after like I remember right there 112 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.800 at three nights someplace, and by the third night, I was like, 113 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:35.720 I'm poired of doing the same material. You know, but you know, 114 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:39.519 because there's no there's no ad libbing, you know, there's no way you 115 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:41.959 know, I mean there is ad I mean you can add lib but I 116 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.959 wasn't about to take a chance, you know, that inexperience. I wasn't 117 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:47.000 gonna just start riffing on the crowd, you know. I just didn't have 118 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:51.319 the I didn't have the skill set yet for that for so, you know, 119 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:54.519 so not that you can add live. Of course you can add lib. 120 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:58.720 I mean it's it's comedy. But uh, but I was happy with 121 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:05.319 my performances, you know, all right, that's fair. So I also 122 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:07.759 wanted to ask you about, so you are a member of MENSA, correct 123 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:13.480 sir, Yes, So I wanted to ask about what is the application process 124 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:15.839 like for that? And how did you know that you wanted to be a 125 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:18.480 part of it. Well, it's not that I wanted to be a part 126 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:22.680 of it so much is that is that I would brag because my IQ was 127 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:24.399 high enough to be in MENSA. So I would brag on TV that I 128 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:28.879 was a member of MENSA. And one day to MENSA people called me up 129 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.440 and they said, hey, we can't seem to find you in our records. 130 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:35.559 You know, you said you remember MENSA And I'm like and I'm like 131 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:39.320 well, and they're like, well, I go, how do they go? 132 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:41.120 Would you like to be a member? I'm like, sure, they 133 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:43.519 go, they go, do you have any records of year old scores? 134 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:46.799 And I'm like, yeah, I got them somewhere, so I dug them 135 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:50.639 up and send them to them and they did, Fine, pay your dues 136 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:58.000 and you're a member. Interesting, so you kind of basically I haven't paid 137 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.000 my dues in about two years. So I'm just I'm so, I'm not 138 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:05.360 am I'm a member in poor standing, I guess. But it's like, 139 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:09.399 there's no reason because I have no interest in doing anything. I have no 140 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:13.840 use for the thing except to say I'm in Mensa, which I could. 141 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.200 You know I've done that, you know. Now, I don't have any 142 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:18.600 reason to sam in mensa, you know what I mean, Like I'm not 143 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:22.360 bragging on TV or anything like that, you know. So you know, 144 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:26.759 so there's really no reason for me to stay in MENSA because I didn't. 145 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:35.600 I never partook of their their class, their seminars or there. You know 146 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:39.159 there what you remall? What am I trying to think of? Yeah, 147 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:43.440 their meetings and stuff like that. Yeah, all right, that makes sense. 148 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:46.639 So you kind of schmoozed your way in a little bit. Just no, 149 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:48.559 no, they they offered me, they said, look, if you 150 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:54.159 if you can prove that you're You can either take a test now and see 151 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.679 what your IQ is, or you can show us the records, you know, 152 00:09:56.759 --> 00:09:58.720 and we'd love to have you a member. And I'm like sure, 153 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:03.240 and and so I figured, if I took the test now, after all 154 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:07.440 the you know, this was ten years ago probably or fifteen years ago when 155 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:11.480 I became a member, I go. I figured, if I took a 156 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:13.039 test, then, after all the brain cells I'd killed, there was probably 157 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.519 no way I'd passed the IQ test. So so I said, I'll dick 158 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:22.559 up the old records. I can't blame you there, you know, time 159 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.600 passing and everything. But so let's get into the early years of your wrestling 160 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:30.639 career. So I understand that you were trained at the Monster Factory. How 161 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:33.639 was that experience for you? And who was in there with you at the 162 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:43.519 time? Nobody you ever heard of except maybe Ray Otey the Yeah No, 163 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:46.879 I went to the Monster Factory. After about a month, Larry Sharp said, 164 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:50.720 I taught you everything you need to know. You need to go out 165 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:52.879 there in front of people and learn. So the next eight months I spent 166 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:58.360 trying to get booked in territories because there's a bunch of territories. Still then 167 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:07.120 there's like Puerto Rico and and uh Kansas City and Continental and uh carrying in 168 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:13.799 the Tennis in Tennessee, and there's Memphis and Tennessee to Memphis Territory. There's 169 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:18.039 Portland, there's Vancouver, Calgary. So there's a bunch of places. So 170 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.799 I'd send them my tape, my VHS tape. You know, that's how 171 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:24.440 long ago this was. And every three weeks I send him a new tape 172 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:28.080 and you know, and uh try and get booked and uh. But I'd 173 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.000 still go to the school to Monster Factory to practice you know, moves and 174 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:35.399 stuff. But basically, you know, after a month, I pretty much 175 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:37.320 picked up, you know, how to do it. You know, it's 176 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:39.679 just a matter of getting in front of people and learning how to and how 177 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:45.279 to you know, work with work with an audience. You know, absolutely. 178 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:48.120 So I have to ask, what was your favorite territory that you would 179 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:52.120 travel to at that point? Portland? Portland was the best. I had 180 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:54.200 so much fun there two years I spent there, two of the best years 181 00:11:54.200 --> 00:12:00.720 of my life. Interesting, So, how was working with r BR there? 182 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:03.000 I understand that he was a big deal out there as well. Yeah, 183 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:09.320 he was cool. I liked r he and then he went off to 184 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:13.799 Mexico and then he kept trying to get me into Mexico, and uh but 185 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:18.399 it never worked out. And then I got the e CW and because he 186 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:20.360 was trying to get me into Mexico after I left New York, when I 187 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:26.840 quit New York as Johnny Polo and uh but it never worked out. But 188 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:33.440 I'm glad it didn't know because I wouldn't ended up in ECW otherwise. That's 189 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:37.840 very true. ECW was a pivotal in your career, honestly. And uh, 190 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:41.120 something that my uncle who really runs the channel wanted to ask about was 191 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:45.159 so he understood that when you were Scotty the body that you had a finishing 192 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.600 move called the body line. He hasn't seen it. What exactly was the 193 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:52.679 body line? There's no such thing as the body line. Really, I 194 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:56.159 didn't have a finish called the body line. Interesting, all right, I'm 195 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:00.240 not sure where that came from then, but yeah, I'm not sure. 196 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:03.879 To be honest, it is this audio or I mean, is this video 197 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:07.759 too or just audio? It's video currently, but it'll mostly just be audio 198 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:11.840 for listeners. But either way, Yeah, so next on the questions. 199 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:18.200 So I understand that the creation of the character of Raven, it was partly 200 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:20.840 due to the movie The Crow. And you started thinking about, you know, 201 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:26.480 the character Eric Draven, it was well, no, it wasn't about 202 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:30.000 the It wasn't about the movie Crow the Crow at all. I just was 203 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:33.720 looking for a name for the character I was creating. And then and I 204 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.679 thought that I was just trying to think of different stuff, and I thought 205 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:43.720 of the Crow was asking what's that guy's name, Eric Draven? Draven Raven, 206 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.799 quote the Raven evermore? And then I had my name in catch rereads 207 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:50.840 right right. So along with that, I wanted to ask about, are 208 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:54.639 you actually a fan of Edgar Allan Poe or was just the quote the Raven 209 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:56.200 the only thing that he wanted to take from his works? Quote The Raven's 210 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:01.919 all I wanted to take them His works makes perfect sense, honestly. And 211 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:05.799 UH also wanted to ask, I'm not a real I'm not a fiction reader. 212 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:09.039 I haven't read fiction, and other things I go, well, I 213 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:11.440 guess comic books are gonna would be fiction, but yeah, I haven't read 214 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:16.200 book books. And probably since I got in the back when I first got 215 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:18.679 into business. It was the last time I probably read a fiction book, 216 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:22.799 you know. Okay, so, uh, what kind of comics are you 217 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:26.679 into? I'm curious now, Well, I haven't read it. I don't 218 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:31.000 read comics anymore either. I got out of that like ten fifteen years ago, 219 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:35.480 when when the DC universe changed to the new fifty two. It just 220 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:37.120 turned the crap and I was like, this is a good time to jump 221 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.279 out, because the comics are addictive. Man. Every Wednesday I was at 222 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:45.279 the comic book store getting new comics that spend eighty bucks a week. You 223 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:48.399 know, it just got ridiculous, Like I have a collection of thirty thousand 224 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:52.360 comics that just because I buy some bought and read so many, you know. 225 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.399 But but I got to the point where I no time for TV or 226 00:14:56.480 --> 00:15:00.879 no time for to read you know, books, nonfiction, and I had 227 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:03.720 a lot of interest so at the time, so I finally said I'm gonna 228 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:09.159 quit cold turkey and just quit reading comics at that point, Yeah, that 229 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:11.759 makes sense. It does get expensive after a while, although I do like 230 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:18.000 though, I do have found that now I'm watching a bunch of anime cartoons. 231 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.759 Though, because it gives you to it gives me the comic book fix, 232 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:28.320 I guess without having to uh, without having to read. Really, 233 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.919 what's your favorite anime? Undead unluck? I haven't watched that many of them, 234 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.879 but I've you know, I've read I've watched a half a dozen, 235 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:39.679 I guess or a dozen. Ain't nothing wrong with that. It's a nice 236 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.519 past time, not hurting anybody. But uh, So back on the topic 237 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:46.919 of wrestling. So the fall of GFW, So did you see that coming 238 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:50.759 or was it a shock to you? Globul Yes, sir, yeah, 239 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:56.600 no, and yeah I saw it coming. Yeah. Yeah. They Joe 240 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:00.720 Betesino claimed he had fifty million dollars to budget, but he only had like 241 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:07.919 three million or something, and that's a big difference. So that didn't go 242 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:11.759 I knew that was going out of business pretty quick, all right, that 243 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.519 makes Honestly, I don't know. I don't know if Joe was totally had 244 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.519 fifty million or if he made that up, you know what I mean. 245 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:22.879 Like I imagine they told him that and he bought it and then uh and 246 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:26.799 I mean he not he bought it fit monetarily, but he brought into it, 247 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:29.799 I guess, and then uh, but they turned out I only had 248 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:33.639 a three million dollar budget or something like that, and so they didn't have 249 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:37.080 the money to uh. Plus they're running on after the four o'clock afternoon on 250 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:45.559 ESPN, which is which is great per se, but it's not exposure in 251 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.519 the way you need to draw an audience to, you know, to pay 252 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:52.120 for a ticket to gum to see the show, you know, right right, 253 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:56.279 So, uh, let's get into your ECW career for a little bit 254 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.480 here. So one thing that has stuck out in my UH group that's a 255 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:04.359 part of this podcast is about the Blue Dust promo. Were you expecting that 256 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:12.440 whole scenario to come up behind you or was that reaction blue Dust promo where 257 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:18.279 Stevie Richards was trying to get you into vala or escort and you turn around 258 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:21.279 then you see him on the playground, just covered in frosting and everything. 259 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:25.279 Do you remember that? Yeah? Yeah, but I don't remember how I 260 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:27.680 remember him covered in frosting. But that's all I remember I remember the promo 261 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:32.519 at all. Okay, so, yeah, you guys are on the playground 262 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:37.720 and you gave a little speech to Stevie about the whole situation with Beulah and 263 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:40.920 everything, and then Stevie's like reassuring you, like, pas, I got 264 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:44.839 you the next big thing. You turn around and then there's blue dust sitting 265 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:48.400 there, just in frosting and like with a doll covering his private parts, 266 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:52.279 and he's quoting some porno at the time, And yeah, they were just 267 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:57.119 wondering if your reaction at the time was genuine or was it did you already 268 00:17:57.119 --> 00:18:00.519 know what was going to happen? I knew it was good that woy what 269 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.279 was my reaction? Uh, just how you were stoic and everything. We're 270 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:07.079 all just kind of wondering about like, were you like biting your tongue trying 271 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:11.279 not to laugh and trying to keep composure or were you Yeah? Probably, 272 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:15.000 But I mean I never really had to. I never really broke character except 273 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:18.519 like once once or twice, and that was It took like a long time. 274 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:23.279 Brian Lee got me. Brian Lee's funny and he made me break character 275 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:30.680 once in a in the what was the building, the temple Lulu Temple building, 276 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:36.279 and and I had Stevie dress up as Baron von Stevie and the meani 277 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:40.480 is uh es. They had a bald skin cap on and it wouldn't fit 278 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:42.759 on his head, so it kept sliding up like it kept like flying. 279 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:48.119 It was gonna pop off and fly away. And Mini was Colonel Demeani like 280 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:52.319 Colonel de Beer's and uh, and Minie kept saying, and STEVEE kept saying, 281 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:56.920 we have the claw and uh and then something about it, I will 282 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:00.480 take care of you. Meet Colonel Demeanor something. I forget what he said, 283 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:03.680 but but it was funny. But it wouldn't have made me break character, 284 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:07.119 except that Brian Lee was in my corner and Brian Lee's like I was 285 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:12.480 sitting in the corner. But so Brian Lee's his head was right at my 286 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:15.839 head level. The way the building was, it was on a slope so 287 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:19.519 that he was standing tall, so like so his mouth was like right at 288 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:22.680 my ear height. And He's gone, that's some funny shit, man, 289 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:26.559 why aren't you laughing? That's some funny shit. And I started, I'd 290 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:30.640 start to laugh, So I would, I would, I would start to 291 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:34.720 I knew I was gonna laugh, so I put my chin down and hit 292 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:38.160 my face, and my body had to do something with the laughter that I'm 293 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:41.839 trying not to laugh. So my shoulders went up and down, dry heaving, 294 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:45.799 like popping up and down, and then immediately I would pop. I 295 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:49.480 would sit up straight, hold a mean face, look into the crowd for 296 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:52.839 as long as I could, and then I'd bend my head down again, 297 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:56.039 and and my shoulders would go up and down. And uh, that was 298 00:19:56.079 --> 00:20:00.000 the first time I ever broke character. Is raven. But usually I'm py 299 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:02.920 Like I would break character easy if I had to stare in somebody's eyes. 300 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:06.559 So I just stare at their forehead, you know, I just stare at 301 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:08.279 their forehead because if I look in their eyes, I'm just it's the whole 302 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:12.440 premise is gonna the whole proceedings are just ridiculous. So it's gonna make me 303 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:17.039 laugh. But uh, but as long as I don't look people in the 304 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:22.119 eye, I can I can stop off laughter pretty well. Okay, that 305 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:26.240 makes sense. So is that way? Also, if they make a face 306 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:29.720 at me, I can't see it, you know what I mean, Like 307 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:33.880 if they're gone, they're rolling their eyes or whatever, you know, I 308 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:37.920 can't see it. You know, I'm just looking at their forehead. Okay, 309 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:40.559 that makes sense. It also, I've heard it can also be like 310 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:42.480 an intimidation tactic if you just look at the forehead instead of the rest of 311 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:45.079 the face, so that honestly goes in with the character very well. I 312 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:49.200 will say. Uh. So a friend of mine was asking from uh that 313 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:52.720 I've served with here. He was asking, what was the scariest bump that 314 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:56.599 you think you took in ecw Well, what I remember this bump? I 315 00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:00.519 thought I broke my neck on it. Not because I I was in a 316 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:03.160 lot of pain. I was in a lot of pain, but I dreamer. 317 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:07.519 Paul drove me on a on a air hockey table, but it had 318 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:11.680 a wooden board across the top of it to protect it from the fans, 319 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:15.559 you know what I mean, when people's getting crap wanted during the matches and 320 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:19.319 uh, And all of a sudden, I heard a crack like as he 321 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:22.880 Poul drove me, I heard a crack, But that was really his fat 322 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:27.519 ass breaking the wooden The wooden plant woodn't covering, but I didn't know that, 323 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:30.799 and so and I heard it, and then my neck, My neck 324 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:34.359 got real sore because part of my head got caught, I guess or something, 325 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:37.720 and so my neck went tight. And I saw him reaching up. 326 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:41.880 So I'm laying on the ground and I'm reaching up on top of the air 327 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:45.160 hockey table. To try and see if there's a crack in it to make 328 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:47.680 sure that. I'm like, it's got to be a crack on the table. 329 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:49.440 It's not my neck. Better not be my neck. And I'm reaching 330 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:52.920 around like a cartoon character, you know, trying to reach up there. 331 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:56.839 And uh. And then we went to the emergency room because my neck was 332 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:00.200 really stiff. And then they said there was no breaks. So I was 333 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.920 like, oh, thank goodness, Okay, I'm glad that you made it 334 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:07.960 out of there without any kind of breaks or anything. So another question asked 335 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:11.319 by a friend of mine, my uncle Tim, So what was it like 336 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:15.039 to work with new Jack? I never really worked with him. They kept 337 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:18.720 us apart, like I don't know why. I mean, I guess I 338 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:22.400 know why, because they didn't want to They didn't want to job him out, 339 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:25.599 and they didn't want to beat me either, you know what I mean. 340 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:33.119 So they hang on a second. Okay, my dog is we having 341 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:37.680 thunderstorms and she's already she's already all upset because the last night, the fire 342 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:41.240 the fireworks just you know, scared the shit out of her. And uh, 343 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:48.160 and today there the thundercracker, the thunder booms are terrifyinger. So she 344 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:51.480 was been laying by my side. She always comes to daddy when she's scared. 345 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:53.519 But she just got up and walked away. So she's doing better now, 346 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:57.640 I guess, okay, fair enough, but uh yeah, she's a 347 00:22:57.640 --> 00:23:02.920 pitbull. But she's not a tough guy at all. She's a she's a 348 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:08.359 little she's a little wis the but I like it that way. I don't 349 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:14.400 want a dog that's gonna attack anybody anyway. Anyway, So new Jack, 350 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:18.599 so yeah, no me Nujack got along, but we never we never really 351 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:23.200 worked together. In fact, there was I think we had some sort of 352 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:29.079 issue or something about something in the back, like a minor issue. And 353 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:32.640 then we were both doing a run in and the same thing. And then 354 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:36.400 we run in and uh, I don't think we were supposed to touch each 355 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:38.440 other. But it's not that we weren't to touch each other. We just 356 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:44.000 shouldn't have been anywhere near each other because it was a big schmasity running like 357 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:47.039 a lot of people. And then we came up on each other and I'm 358 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:49.240 like, hit me, and then he just he just threw a working punch. 359 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:52.559 I threw a working punch back, and obviously whatever issue we had was 360 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:57.039 gone, you know, so we had no we had no issues. That's 361 00:23:57.079 --> 00:24:00.519 good to hear. Uh. Did you ever find him to be as unhinged 362 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.279 as a lot of people talk about or did you just get along with him 363 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:07.759 and have a fine time with him? I got along with him. I 364 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:10.359 didn't like what he did to certain you know, certain things like when he 365 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:12.799 attacked dancing with Dudley, you know what I mean. But that's you know, 366 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:15.400 that's his issue with that's their issue, you know what I mean. 367 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:21.319 And it's not my place, you know, but I felt Banford dances with 368 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:26.559 Dudley. Yeah, it's fair. Uh, it's kind of unfortunate some of 369 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:29.200 the things that new Jack had done, but that's uh, you know, 370 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:33.000 his stuffy Yeah. Yeah, it's not my job to play superhero and intervene. 371 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:37.599 You know, I'm not office. I wasn't, you know, So 372 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:44.039 yeah whatever, Yea. I never had a problem with him, is what 373 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:47.759 I'm saying. The one time I thought I might, it was just I 374 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:51.640 figured, if he's gonna hit me, I'll let him hit me first, 375 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:53.480 you know what I mean, Just in case he this is something that he 376 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:56.440 thinks is more of an issue than it wasn't a big deal, I don't 377 00:24:56.440 --> 00:25:00.279 think, but it was something that irritated him. And I'm like, well, 378 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:03.759 I'll see you. And I guess we'd always had there's always a little 379 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.759 tension between us because we didn't work together, you know, and and we're 380 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:12.359 both very mouthy, you know, we're both very opinionated and uh and so 381 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:15.839 I was like, I was like, so I opened my I said, 382 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:18.240 all right, hit me, and he goes and he threw a working punch. 383 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:21.920 I'm like, there's no heat, you know, fair enough, he 384 00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:23.640 probably would have took the opportunity and just swung if they're actually that's what I'm 385 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:26.599 saying, if there if there wasn't heat, if there was real heat, 386 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:32.240 and after that, we were totally fine after that, you know, fair 387 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:33.799 enough. So uh. I also, do you want to ask about the 388 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:37.400 Beulah and Tommy storyline? Was there any kind of inspiration or did that just 389 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:41.440 all come out of like Paul's head or no, and it all came out 390 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:45.440 of my head actually the uh, well not all of it, but the 391 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:48.799 whole Okay, here's how it happened, is is I was in Uh, 392 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:52.119 I was down at the Super Bowl. I forget which one, and uh, 393 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:56.240 we were into a club and I ran into a Ron Gant, a 394 00:25:56.240 --> 00:26:00.759 baseball player for for the Braves's a friend of mine from Atlanta, and he 395 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:06.599 had a girl with him who was Beulah and Teresa, and uh, because 396 00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:11.079 uh this Teresa, this is Raven. Raven wrestles and he goes Teresa, 397 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:14.160 and Teresa goes, I'd like to get back into wrestling, and I'm like, 398 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:15.000 really, you were in it before he goes, yes, she goes. 399 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.599 I worked as Pillman's sister in Calgary. I was like, oh cool. 400 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:21.799 I was like, all right, I said, send me some pictures. 401 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:25.240 So she sent them some sexy pictures. So I passed him on to 402 00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:26.839 Paul, and Paul's like, all right, I'm going to give her to 403 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.200 you. And I'm like, I don't need a valet because but I always 404 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.119 liked having valets before, and I know how to work on a valet really 405 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:36.519 well. But I didn't think it fit the Raven character at the time, 406 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:38.359 but it actually totally did. So he was totally right about that. I 407 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:45.640 was wrong. And and then I came up with the whole backstory that was 408 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:51.920 all because somebody, because I figured we needed something to get this get get 409 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:55.160 this thing hot and we had to tie her in and get her over quickly. 410 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:57.200 So I just made up the whole thing we went to summer camp, 411 00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:02.720 and after we went to summer camp together that uh, I made that up 412 00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:06.559 first because I knew I wondered if I was gonna get over quick, which 413 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:07.720 I was. That's what I was supposed to do, is get over and 414 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:15.319 get Tommy over. That was my job then that uh, you know, 415 00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:19.440 to have something psychologically driven is always going to get you more heat than just 416 00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:22.200 attacking a guy. So that's why I came up with summer camp and you 417 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:26.319 know, and then I tied her storyline into the summer camp and uh, 418 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:30.279 and the rest is you know what it was, all right, that's actually 419 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.319 really cool. I didn't realize that you came up with almost all of it. 420 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:38.839 That's incredible. This is a backstory, fair enough, all right, 421 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:42.000 So moving on to uh your w c Oh. Here's here's the thing that 422 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:47.519 pisses me off though, is his dreamer and and Paulie try to take credit 423 00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:51.640 for Buella McGillicuddy. But I came up with that because, uh, because 424 00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:52.839 I wanted the weirdest name you could have, like, you know, so 425 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.759 you definitely think she's an ugly chick, you know. And uh, and 426 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:00.359 same with Kimona. I named Kimona want to lay It like it was some 427 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:06.480 from somebody they make it up, but I got it from some old jokes 428 00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:08.920 where like it's, uh, did you did you like he goes? You 429 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:14.359 read the beat the you read the book, Uh, Tiger's Revenge by Claude 430 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:21.440 Balls or under the Bleachers by Seymour Butts. So there was a whole bunch 431 00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:23.440 of jokes like that, and one of them was the Hawaiian prostitute by Kimona 432 00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:26.759 want to Lay It. That's how I came up with That's how I came 433 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.480 up with that for a And so that's why when Paully and Dreamer claimed that 434 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.160 they came up with Kimona, I'm like, you couldn't have because you didn't 435 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:37.759 know that stupid joke. You know, that came from a stupid joke that 436 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:41.400 I did. Somebody told me when I was four years or eight years old, 437 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:42.759 you know, and it just stuck in the back of my head somewhere. 438 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:52.680 For holding the mattress, holding the mattress by mister completely that's uh. 439 00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:55.880 I haven't heard some of these, but I know exactly what you're talking about. 440 00:28:56.200 --> 00:29:00.240 Yeah, everybody does. Yeah. So moving on to your WCW time 441 00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.720 for a little bit. I do want to ask about So how were your 442 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.640 relationships backstage? Who did you hang with and did you have any problems with 443 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:15.240 anybody backstage there? Uh? No, I didn't have any problems on anybody 444 00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:22.839 backstage. I hung out with Saturn and Canyon. Me and Saturn hung out 445 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.599 all the time. You know, we go way back. You know, 446 00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.400 we went back they you know, I mean now we go way back. 447 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:32.799 I mean at the time, we didn't really hang in ECW at all. 448 00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:36.480 But then once we got together as a part as partners, you know, 449 00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:41.680 then we were we were inseparable. Okay. Kind of nice that you were 450 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.160 close with Saturn and Kenya at the time. You know, ken you were 451 00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:48.359 alive, were alive today, do you think that he would have been able 452 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.559 to be an agent or a trainer of some sort. I don't know if 453 00:29:52.559 --> 00:30:02.279 you would have got the opportunity really, yeah, I don't know. The 454 00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:07.279 you know, it's it's you know, there's only one company now, so 455 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.279 I mean, well, no, I guess there's two companies now. I 456 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.200 mean, for the longest time, there's only one company, one real company, 457 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:17.680 you know what I mean. Yeah, And and Kenyon I don't think 458 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:22.359 left w W on the greatest of terms, but maybe it would have been 459 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.039 in a W you know. Yeah. Maybe I've heard that he was close 460 00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.880 with the Young Bucks at one point, so that's definitely. Oh yeah, 461 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.359 that's right. I forgot he was totally close with them. Yeah, he 462 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:37.400 definitely would have ended up there, I guess. But he was just is 463 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:44.640 uh is is uh what do you wanna call it? What's it called? 464 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:53.039 Uh? Manic depression, his manic depression behaviors. Manic depression was just so 465 00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:56.240 rough on him. And and he just he was he was miserable, you 466 00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:00.079 know what I mean. He just wasn't happy. And and you know, 467 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:04.119 and I I'm I actually was happy for him when he took his own life 468 00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:07.920 because he was so miserable that he had, you know that I didn't feel 469 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:11.039 I didn't feel like he wasted a life, you know what I mean. 470 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:15.400 I figured I felt like his chemical imbalance was so bad that that was the 471 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.480 only thing that was going to make him happy. You know what I mean. 472 00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:22.039 It is not being alive, you know, which is why I make 473 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.200 somebody suffer. And my point is is why should somebody suffer just to suffer? 474 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:30.200 You know? Yeah, he tried a lot of different medications and then 475 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:32.759 he wouldn't stick on him, and then by the time he was ready to 476 00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:36.440 stay on him, they weren't working and he just he'd had it. You 477 00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:40.839 know. Yeah, very unfortunate what happened. But I hear you. You 478 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:42.880 know, it's a certain point where it's like, are we really going to 479 00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:47.039 make this guy live just to suffer? Right? Right? That's my point. 480 00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:48.680 You know, it's like it's like I don't tell a firm believer in 481 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.440 doctor Kuvorkian, you know what I mean, Like, you know, it 482 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.079 should be the law. I mean, why should you You're allowed to put 483 00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:59.160 your dog to sleep if if the dog suffering, but you can't put a 484 00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:07.440 human being asleep? Right? You know, it's up. It's that Judeo 485 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:14.720 Christian, Judeo Christian mentality that comes goes way back. You know, you 486 00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:16.200 can't take your own life because it's a sin or whatever. You know, 487 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:21.680 it stems from all that. Yeah, I hear that. I mean, 488 00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:24.880 it's amazing how many laws we have based off of religion and everything. So 489 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:30.400 I do hear that but I do also want to ask about your experiences with 490 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:32.640 some of the older vets that were in the WCW locker room. So do 491 00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:37.200 you ever interact with Hogan or Flair or Sting or any of those guys and 492 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:39.359 what was it like with them? Now, because I was in a different 493 00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:43.039 level, you know, they were all right above me, you know, 494 00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:45.839 so they all hung with top guys, always hung with each other, you 495 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.920 know, and and then I hung with the guys in my level, Canyon 496 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:53.720 and Saturn and Jericho guys like that. You know. Okay, that's interesting. 497 00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:58.240 They were kept in like a different room or something like that. Well 498 00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:02.039 then the main event guys, Yeah, they had they most of them trade 499 00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:06.240 locker, got private lockers, you know what I mean, like Hogan and 500 00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:09.799 Flaring them, you know, and Sting so the you know, so they'd 501 00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:13.000 be in their locker room, you know what I mean. But it's not 502 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:15.359 it's not like they weren't They weren't unfriendly. You know, they were friendly. 503 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:17.960 You know if you say, you know, you say hi, they 504 00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:21.000 say hi. You know, you had a conversation. Whenever you had a 505 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.960 conversation with them, you know, they it's not like they snubbed it. 506 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:30.480 Or anything like that. It's just you know, top top guys. You're 507 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:32.319 working with top guys. So they're you know, just in middle guys working 508 00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:37.279 middle guys, underneath guys to work with underneath guys. And so that's why 509 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.079 they're all They all kind of pooled together, you know what I mean. 510 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:43.119 You stick with the group that you're good, that you're in a dance with, 511 00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:47.079 you know what I mean. Okay, I see, so like like 512 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:51.839 you know, like you know, and and if like if you're in the 513 00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:58.960 locker room, you know, like like uh, underneath guys, like enhancement 514 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:02.519 guys all stuck together because they really they weren't really like a part of their 515 00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:09.199 full time production. So they weren't so they weren't really like included in the 516 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:12.800 group, you know what I mean, unless they knew somebody really well from 517 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.280 outside there you know that company. You know what I'm saying. That makes 518 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.480 sense. Yeah, So they were always off to their you know side. 519 00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.800 Plus they're coming in and then they're just taking the you know, the they're 520 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:27.840 trying to take that trying to stay out of people's way anyway because they want 521 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:30.599 to, you know, they don't want to put a bad impression. The 522 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:37.199 middle of the card guys, you know, basically have the main locker room 523 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.199 and then the and then the and then the private locker rooms are the top 524 00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:45.840 guys. So, but everybody interacted with everybody though, I mean, nobody 525 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.719 was like snobby or anything like that. It was nothing like that. Okay, 526 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.079 that's fair. So do you feel that it was different between ECWWCW and 527 00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:59.800 WWE's locker rooms or was it all basically the same. It always breaks down 528 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:02.400 this because it's who you work with, you know. It's like, you 529 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:08.199 know, like, uh, you're gonna talk more to the guys you're working 530 00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:12.880 with because you're talking about your angles and your matches and your stuff like that, 531 00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:15.440 so you're gonna spend more time with them, you know, I mean 532 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:21.719 obviously you know. Yeah, that's fair. So did you notice any kind 533 00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:27.079 of major differences with the creative process between the three major companies from the nineties. 534 00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:34.719 Yeah, they PAULI E. CW was doing anything to anything to make 535 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:40.079 money. They're trying to keep all the angles hot. W CW they were 536 00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:45.840 trying to keep the main event super hot at the expense of everything else. 537 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:52.480 It was WWE. But Paul had to load the card up because his you 538 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:57.599 know, just having a main event guy that was super over wasn't gonna draw 539 00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.280 on his level, and you know, to the to the extent that it 540 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:04.440 would, you know, and you know you have you got to treat Austin 541 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:07.639 differently, you know, and in the way if you have an Austin character, 542 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.079 you know, and he's drawing your money. But Austin wasn't gonna draw 543 00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:14.760 for you know, if Austin would have went to E c W, he 544 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:19.280 still couldn't have drawn like he drew. He could have drawn Arenas because it 545 00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.960 just wasn't made for Arenas yet, you know what I mean, Like fifteen 546 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:27.000 thousand people, the audience wasn't wasn't there for it. You know. So 547 00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:32.719 maybe if Austin, maybe Austin could have Austin probably could have still drawn fifteen 548 00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:37.960 thousand three c W if you went back there. But it's it's harder because 549 00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:40.639 you're a small company. You're too big to be small, but you're too 550 00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:45.679 small to be big. Yeah, it was just that awkward in between. 551 00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:51.639 I guess we could call it growing pains. Goldilocks. It wasn't Goldielocks, 552 00:36:51.639 --> 00:37:00.400 it was it was a Goldilocks is an ugly brother Bob Bob locks bigel in 553 00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:06.599 Los interesting way to put it. So, uh, let's talk a little 554 00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:12.400 bit about uh w w W so with the most recent scandals that Vince McMahon 555 00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:15.559 has been uh you know, I guess found out about do you with your 556 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:20.519 experiences with the man? Do you think any of it is true? Or 557 00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:22.519 what do you think is happening? Man? I'm not I don't know what 558 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:28.000 is the story is. I mean, I'm not gonna no, I really 559 00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:31.760 don't want to talk about him because of you know, legal reasons, because 560 00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:43.960 uh just I can't for legal reasons. But uh but I you know, 561 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:45.559 and plus I don't really follow it. I don't follow wrestling anymore. I 562 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:50.199 stopped following it a long time ago. You know. It just I loved 563 00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.559 it when I did it. I loved it before I did it. I 564 00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:54.800 loved it when I did it, But now it's just, you know, 565 00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:58.480 I love when I do and I still do it when i'm you know, 566 00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:00.559 like you know, But I missed the last couple of years because I had 567 00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:05.280 met both my knees replaced and my shoulder replaced. So I've missed the last 568 00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:10.800 three years basically, and I'm old. I'm fifty nine now, so I'll 569 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:14.440 be sixty this year. So you know, I'm getting past the point where 570 00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:22.800 I want to work, you know. But uh, the but I got 571 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:23.760 other interests, you know what I mean. I don't want to you know. 572 00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:29.079 It's like there's so much wrestling on and and you have to watch so 573 00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:31.280 much of the show just to get to the good part. You know. 574 00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.920 It's just not I just don't have any interest, you know. It's also 575 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.239 it's also I'm a complete itst like if I watched one show, I'd have 576 00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:43.880 to watch all the shows, you know what I mean. And I definitely 577 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:45.119 don't have the time for that. You know, I barely have the time 578 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:50.840 for to watch all the TV I want to watch as it is. Yeah, 579 00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:52.760 I hear that. So, yeah, we don't have to talk about 580 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:57.760 that necessarily. So. I had watched a short documentary about you on YouTube, 581 00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:00.159 and towards the end of it they talked a little bit about your w 582 00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:04.199 WE career and as you were getting ready to depart WWE that there were plans 583 00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:08.159 that they were going to release PJ Piloco, and in the YouTube documentary claimed 584 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.719 that there's rumor that you had claimed, Well, if you're going to fire 585 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.920 him, you got to fire me too? Was this true? Or is 586 00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.440 that just no idea? What's talking about? Okay, fair enough, that's 587 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:20.280 kind of what I expected it. I'm not sure why I was in that, 588 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:22.960 but yeah, it was towards the end of it. So also, 589 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:29.239 did I say this too? Who'd I say this to? Supposedly, I'm 590 00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:30.960 not entirely sure. It was just in the documentary. No, I mean 591 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:39.360 it was in w CW w cw wwe run apparently, no idea? What's 592 00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:45.360 talking about? Fair enough? So between the characters that you have played, 593 00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:50.400 you've played a few of them, Between Johnny Polo, Scotty Flamingo, Scotti, 594 00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.320 the body Raven, which one do you feel is the closest to you 595 00:39:52.400 --> 00:40:00.159 as a person? Raven's on my Raven is me in the inside, the 596 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:09.760 side. I don't show anybody the tortured, poetic painful pain uh poetic type. 597 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:15.360 Tortured poetic type. I guess I don't know. It's uh not me 598 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:16.159 if you if you know me, if you know me, I'm a funny 599 00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:21.880 guy on the surface, you know what I mean? Like, but inside 600 00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:25.960 that's where all the uh, all that non all that pain sits, you 601 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.760 know, or it has that for years. I've dealt with a lot of 602 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:31.000 it, though, so I mean, I'm so it's not like I'm dealing 603 00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:35.079 with it now anymore. You know, I'm pretty much content, you know, 604 00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.960 as close as content the content as I can get right now. But 605 00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:45.119 yeah, those were the issues I had internally. Okay, that's understandable, 606 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:50.039 and I'm really intrigued about that you were able to turn that into a character. 607 00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:54.880 I'm actually very impressed by that, honestly, thank you. And something 608 00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:59.440 else that I did want to ask you about was, so, did you 609 00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:02.760 ever pull in uh major ribs on anybody from backstage or anything or where you 610 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:07.320 never really want to prank anyone. I was never really wanted to prank anyone. 611 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.199 But uh, I'll tell you this last story the because we only got 612 00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:15.199 a few more minutes, I think, right right the there's this one rib 613 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.400 that the grappler told me about that I loved that I would never do to 614 00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.960 somebody because it's too painful. But so he was sitting there, the grappler 615 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.960 was sitting in a chair and his old timer comes up to him, and 616 00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:29.400 he was a green guy and he and he was sitting in a chair and 617 00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:31.599 the green and the veteran goes, uh, hey, grappler, let me 618 00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:35.360 see how strong your neck is. And he started pushing down on the back 619 00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.360 of his head. And so the grappler's trying to show me how tough he 620 00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:40.800 is, and he's fighting and he's fighting it, and then the guy just 621 00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:45.119 moves his hand and the grappler's head goes flying back, smashes into a into 622 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:50.960 a cement wall, and knocks him out. So it's it's funny if it 623 00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:52.960 wasn't so mean, you know what I mean, it's too painful. You 624 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.039 can't do it to anybody, but it's but it's the concept is funny. 625 00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:00.119 So at one time I was in the locker room and somebody was sitting with 626 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:04.920 a chair right in front of a locker and those were really in the locker 627 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:09.320 doors were really flimsy and they had a lot of gift to them. So 628 00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:12.760 I figured I could do it with this person, because you know he bank 629 00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.880 smashes into that it's it's just gonna be like a cookie sheet. You know, 630 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.639 it's not gonna hurt him, but it's gonna be funny. So I 631 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.760 do that. I go, let me see I strong your neck as kid, 632 00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:22.679 So I pushed down and then he you know, he goes, ah, 633 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.079 fights it. I slipped my hand away. His head goes smashing back 634 00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.920 into the thing. He starts going ah. He goes, oh, you 635 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.119 bastard, Let's get somebody else. So then we got somebody else to come 636 00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:35.840 in the locker room and sit there, and I went and did the same 637 00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:37.880 thing we did it to him. He's like, oh, let's get somebody 638 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:43.280 else. We got like eight people that day. It's great funny but all 639 00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:45.800 right, So, as we're coming to the end of our time together, 640 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.079 so I'd like to ask you, so as we do on Wrestle Magic, 641 00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:59.800 do you have any recommendations for the audience recommendations? But uh, I recommend 642 00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:05.519 Yeah, I give recommendations every week on my podcast. At the end of 643 00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:08.199 the show, I give a recommendation, and uh, and I've exhausted all 644 00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:12.119 the ones that now I can't think of any because I've gone through all the 645 00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.280 ones that the main ones, and so it's like to the point where I 646 00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:19.320 just at the last minute I think of something. But uh, trying to 647 00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:22.199 think of some shows I streamed that I loved. Well, if you're into 648 00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:27.159 anime, undebt un luck is tremendous. It's, uh, you're gonna watch 649 00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:30.119 it on the Hulu channel or I think or Disney. Yeah, Disney carries 650 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:34.559 the Hulu stuff, so you get it on both of those. But Undebt 651 00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:38.280 on Luck is really entertaining. Okay, sounds like an interesting animal to get 652 00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:42.519 into. So h come to the end here. Would you like to let 653 00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:46.039 the audience know where they can reach you, sir? There's really no way 654 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.519 to get you know. I mean, I I go on social media just 655 00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:52.320 as much as I go on social media as I go on Twitter or x 656 00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:58.159 and all I do is I spend about literally less than five minutes on it, 657 00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:04.159 check in people who see d me or or if anybody had it, 658 00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:07.280 you know whatever, you know, just checking to see what people have to 659 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:09.719 say. But usually it's you know, I'm not in the limelight anymore, 660 00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:13.320 so I don't expect to see anything, you know what I mean. But 661 00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:15.039 so I really don't go on social media other than that, I haven't been 662 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:19.320 on Facebook in a hundred years. I never really went on Facebook. I'm 663 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:22.280 not into social media because really what it is is it's fame for people who 664 00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:29.119 aren't famous. That's kind of what social media is to me in my opinion, 665 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:35.280 but so I'm not big on that. But you can always tune into 666 00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:42.000 the Raven Effect podcast that comes out every Monday. It's really entertaining. It's 667 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.719 a it's but it's not. We don't talk about wrestling almost at all. 668 00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:52.679 We're wrestling adjacent in the sense that we're adjacent only because I'm a wrestler and 669 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:58.400 that's what I did for thirty years, but thirty plus years. But yeah, 670 00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:01.039 but we talk about everything, but that what wrestling. So it's entertaining. 671 00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:06.960 Uh So if you if you find me entertaining, that's if you find 672 00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:08.800 me entertaining, then tune into my podcast. If you don't find me entertaining, 673 00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:15.400 well then you basically just wasted an hour listening to this. So there, 674 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:19.400 all right, greatly appreciate it. So all right, everybody, this 675 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.920 has been an interview with Raven As always do something nice for somebody you never 676 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:27.199 know who needs it. And uh just a quick message to my audience members, 677 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:30.360 really appreciate all of you guys listening. I'll be honest, though, 678 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:34.960 I'm gonna be taking a little bit of a hiatus. It's been a little 679 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:37.159 over a year. I've been working a lot and I think it's just time 680 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:40.280 for me to take a break, stop being you know, podcast guys, 681 00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:43.960 stop being sergeant for a little while, and just time to go and be 682 00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.119 uh maverick for a little bit. Thank you all for listening, please keep 683 00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:51.880 saying, and then what a great episode to have for if you taking a 684 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:58.280 hiatus to close on a shit show like me, it's perfect. I don't 685 00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.440 think it's been a shit show or anything like that. I think it's been 686 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:01.760 No, I'm kidding, I'm saying I'm the shit show. I was kidding. 687 00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:07.000 No, it's been great and I really greatly appreciate it. So thank 688 00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:09.559 you for your time. Mister. You're welcome. Oh no, thank you 689 00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:14.280 for serving as well. Oh you're welcoming fan too. Thank you for serving. 690 00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:21.039 Tell me complete ingreciating with each other. Uh, very good, Thank 691 00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:28.119 you man, Thank you, good night. Thanks for listening to the WWE 692 00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:32.800 podcast. Don't forget to subscribe on your favorite podcast app so you don't miss 693 00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:37.800 a show, or head to WWE podcast dot com and for all of these 694 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:45.239 shows add free head over to Patreon dot com slash WWE podcast. Until then, 695 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:46.800 we'll see you next time.