1 00:00:17,039 --> 00:00:20,760 We're back with another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Desnski, 2 00:00:20,839 --> 00:00:23,399 Culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show 3 00:00:23,399 --> 00:00:27,160 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter at fdr LST. 4 00:00:27,359 --> 00:00:30,399 Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts, and to the premium 5 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,640 version of our website as well. I regret to inform you that today I'm 6 00:00:33,719 --> 00:00:37,880 joined once again by Christopher Bedford, Executive editor over at the Common Sense Society. 7 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,920 Chris, welcome back. You're so lucky. Happy Thursday. Thursday. 8 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,159 We got to tweet. Someone tweeted to Chris Amy this week, So shout 9 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:52,479 out to this Twitter user. Except your request was impossible. This person asked 10 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,200 that Chris come on the show every single day, and I bless them. 11 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:02,320 I can't do it. It's like stare at the sun physically and mentally impossible. 12 00:01:02,719 --> 00:01:06,799 But Donald Trump remember when he went and looked at the eclipse and sunglasses. 13 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,200 Yeah, you did wear sunglasses. I wish I could be strong. 14 00:01:08,519 --> 00:01:14,799 I wish I had that strength. Now, Chris, we had a situation 15 00:01:15,079 --> 00:01:19,319 yesterday. I used the we referring to the whole country because Mitch McConnell, 16 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:26,200 and this is happening as Joe Biden says things like his administration cured cancer. 17 00:01:27,079 --> 00:01:32,400 Mitch McConnell had a glitch yesterday. That's probably the only way to describe it. 18 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,959 He went up to speak at a press press conference, stared blankly at 19 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:42,480 the reporters, appeared to just be his slight looked like it got wiped clean, 20 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:46,000 like a minor stroke. Yeah, I did. I wasn't gonna say 21 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,359 that because I'm not an armchair physician. We are literally sitting in armchairs, 22 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:52,560 right He did stop talking in the middle of a sentence and just stared and 23 00:01:52,719 --> 00:01:57,079 was clearly lost track of where he was. It was the kind of medical 24 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:00,719 incident that you could not convince your wife you diddy to go to the hospital 25 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:04,400 after exactly, and other senators, if you haven't seen the video, other 26 00:02:04,439 --> 00:02:07,479 senators had to help him walk away. He came back about five minutes later 27 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,840 a spring check in at seventy one. Knew exactly what to do, righte 28 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,879 he sprung into action, and you know, in all seriousness, we hope 29 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:21,960 that he's okay, but also in all seriousness, we need people to run 30 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,439 our country and from the president who by the way. McConnell told reporters later 31 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,080 that day he was very excited to tell Capitol Hill reporters that Joe Biden had 32 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,599 called him and he said, I got sandbag. That's what Mitch McConnell said 33 00:02:34,599 --> 00:02:38,599 that he told Joe Biden. And this whole interaction was incredibly cringey. And 34 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,439 again you have the President of United States, the guys in charge to sleep 35 00:02:43,479 --> 00:02:46,319 in his chair talking to the head of Spain. I think that was last 36 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:52,479 week. Yeah. And Republicans, oh Israel. Republicans have a thin minority 37 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,800 in the Senate right like this is. It's a razor thin minority. His 38 00:02:54,960 --> 00:03:00,759 business is serious. He's not just sitting back letting, you know, the 39 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,919 world go by him. He's attempting to lead. He has a serious business 40 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,479 in front of him and is still clinging to power. And I wanted to 41 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:12,599 bring this up with you because this is an issue that you have written about 42 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,400 a lot and have followed really closely, whether it's Fetterman, Biden or McConnell. 43 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:23,000 It's bad. Yeah, it's really bad to have a leadership class Joe 44 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:28,000 Biden and miss McConnell who are too old and too feeble to lead it's a 45 00:03:28,039 --> 00:03:30,520 sad thing to see, but it's even worse as it's the head of your 46 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:37,360 country. I mean, my point istually i've made before on this podcast, 47 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:40,599 as McConnell is now six years older than the oldest Soviet premier to ever die 48 00:03:40,599 --> 00:03:45,000 in office, I mean that is, and then this is he's the same 49 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:50,879 age as Joe Bidden. We used to, yes, we used to roundomly 50 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,599 mock the Soviet Union with all these old people clinging to power at the polop 51 00:03:54,639 --> 00:04:00,280 euro and rising up and and Reagan, one of them ka's previously oldest presidents, 52 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,120 pointed out that he barely got to even know half of these premiers because 53 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:08,960 they kept on dying on him. And we're at we're past that, We're 54 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,879 well past that. And medical science, I mean, has caught up quite 55 00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:16,600 quite a good deal. And it's not like McConnell or Biden or thrown back 56 00:04:16,639 --> 00:04:20,160 a leader of vodka with their breakfast every day. Maybe they should be, 57 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,439 it should be so they are in better health generally, but the mental health 58 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:30,680 there of a lot of our political class is they're feeble. They're extremely feeble. 59 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,439 And this is not an easy time. This is not nineteen ninety five 60 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,399 when we can have forward to America. I can just kind of go on 61 00:04:36,439 --> 00:04:42,839 cruise control and coach for a minute. This is a hazardous time where the 62 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,439 brink of war and Americas at the brink of war in Europe. War is 63 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:50,519 raging in Europe, there's China is moving on us all over, the young, 64 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:59,360 woke activists of hijacking American corporations and the Democratic Party. He just can't 65 00:04:59,399 --> 00:05:02,160 have people who don't know when it is time to step aside. And Nancy 66 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:09,199 Pelosi used to be among those we listed, and as you'd written about this 67 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,839 topic in the past, you'd include Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi, who I 68 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,879 think is she has to be like in her eighties as well, be late 69 00:05:16,879 --> 00:05:20,480 seventies, early eighties, so she's not even that far apart from either McConnell 70 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:27,000 or Biden. But Nancy Pelosi did step down, which I actually find quite 71 00:05:27,079 --> 00:05:30,920 interesting, and that's a segue into a question they want to ask even older. 72 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,399 I thought she was eighty four. Yeah, okay, so she's eighty 73 00:05:32,439 --> 00:05:36,199 three, U. N Plosi's eighty three. She obviously was, you know, 74 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:43,240 not at her peak either, and would often slur her speech in strange 75 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,600 ways and say weird things, but she did relinquish power and actually stepped down. 76 00:05:47,759 --> 00:05:53,079 And I mean in Paul McConnell, he doesn't have the Yes Queen Chorus 77 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,560 or the entire DC media behind him to defend him. If Nancy Pelosi had 78 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,920 done that playbook quote, have released something next morning about the double stand. 79 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:04,120 It's accorded to eighty three year old women, eighty one year old over versus 80 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:10,560 eighty one year old men. I think it's an honest conversation to be had. 81 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:15,360 I think CNN was they outlet them broke this morning that it's since been 82 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:19,240 released since yesterday that mcconnoll has fallen significantly more times. NBC said as well, 83 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,759 he had fallen recently at the airport in front of everyone. It was 84 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,639 quote a face plant according to somebody who was on the flight. They didn't 85 00:06:25,639 --> 00:06:27,800 see it, but they described it as a face plant. Yeah, he 86 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,399 starts to lose balance folio, of course. Yes, And it's very difficult. 87 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:35,800 I mean, my grandfather who restaurant Peace. You told me one time 88 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,120 getting old end for Wissey's, except he didn't use that word. It's true, 89 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,759 it's difficult. It's a hard process. And everyone if they're lucky enough 90 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,639 just to go through it at some point or another. He said, willimps. 91 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:51,720 What he said, whimps, He said, whimps. Yes, but 92 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:59,360 we have There's there's so much that experience that age brings and understanding of an 93 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,959 institution is especially a place like the Senate, that age can be a great 94 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,959 benefit. But by the time you're face bruising old, that's a whole different 95 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:13,759 levels. It's not capable of being the person who's McConnell always always took such 96 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:19,560 stock in that his ability to control the situation, an understanding of everything going 97 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:25,399 on around him, and how he was a master of the Senate, and 98 00:07:25,639 --> 00:07:29,360 when he was gone for a prolonged period of time earlier in the earlier in 99 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,480 this session after a fall at the Waldorf, he people in the Senate found 100 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,519 well, things are working just fine. We did. People, conservatives and 101 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:43,319 moderates are getting along better than they did before. They're finding out that they 102 00:07:43,399 --> 00:07:46,399 can they can do things on their own. They don't need to have their 103 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:49,639 handheld by King McConnell. And that was related to me, probably by the 104 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:55,040 same story she related to you that in McConnell's absence, even some of those 105 00:07:55,160 --> 00:08:01,920 establishment folks found that it was easier to it was easier for them to work 106 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:07,639 with people sort of in the right flank in McConnell's absence. They realize actually 107 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,759 that prior hurdles or obstructions or whatever, they could work them out. Yeah, 108 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:18,199 and I think it's time. This is a good opportunity for the Republican 109 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:22,680 leader to subside focus on his health. I mean, I know he wants 110 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,959 to say I'm fine, I'm fine, but he's not fine. It's clear 111 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:30,079 he's not fine. And there are there are people, there are Republicans in 112 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,000 the wings, none of whom I really like either politically, who are able 113 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,840 to take too, are able to take over and do this job. I 114 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:41,320 mean, you should rest when you're where you're ill, and my gosh, 115 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:46,360 I mean, I don't intend to ever fully retire, but I do look 116 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:50,720 forward to not having the daily grind of work. Someday I would like to 117 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:56,360 getinue writing and doing other things. I mean, eventually podcast my body will 118 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,720 catch up with my old man personality. Biking, Yeah, but I don't 119 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,559 want to drinking. Yeah, of course, I definitely wouldn't want to be 120 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:09,320 coming back to Washington, DC living here like that. I mean, go 121 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,960 to Kentucky, so Florida. Who cares he could, I suppose do what 122 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:18,559 Nancy Pelosi did and abdicate his leadership role and serve as a rank and file 123 00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:22,960 member of the Senate. Term is up. Yeah. But all that is 124 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,639 to say, this is the last question I want to ask on the subject, 125 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:28,840 because we have a couple of other things to talk about today. But 126 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,320 with Biden, with McConnell, with Betterman, it's not purely about age, 127 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,120 although age is clearly a factor here because Futterman is a great example, It's 128 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,639 also just about health and cognitive ability. And I feel like at Donald Trump, 129 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:46,519 someone else who's also very old but cognitively contrasts with Joe Biden. Whether 130 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,480 you hate Trump or you love them in a very clear way, like one 131 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:52,039 of them is all right, one of them is not. And that the 132 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,960 question I want to ask Chris is basically, if it says anything you were 133 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:03,000 getting at this earlier. To me, what we see here is people clinging 134 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:09,360 to power. And McConnell has always been this double edged sword for Republicans because 135 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:15,440 when it comes to like being aggressive on judicial nominations and fighting tooth and nail, 136 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:16,960 for for instance, Brett Kavanaugh. We don't know what it would have 137 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,879 happened, what Miss mconnell would have done in that situation had Trump not been 138 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,080 leading the fight there. I don't know. It's a great question, but 139 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:31,480 it seems as though it's this desperate clinging to power because you worried that if 140 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,000 you step down, that you think you're the only person that could do these 141 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,600 jobs, and you think you're the establishment of your party is worried that, 142 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,159 you know, without you at the helm, like without Joe Biden in twenty 143 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:48,159 twenty, it's all going to crumble and AOC is going to reign supreme over 144 00:10:48,159 --> 00:10:50,320 the Democratic Party. I don't know. I think to the extent it says 145 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,360 anything about us, because obviously there's something to be said for elder statesmen. 146 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:58,240 I think that's very very important, especially somewhere like the Senate, where people 147 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:03,080 are institutionalists and understand how things have been done. I get that, But 148 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:05,279 at the same time, to the extent says anything about us, I think 149 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:09,879 it's about power, and this is like desperate clinging to power that happens in 150 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:13,519 American politics right now. Yeah, and people with age shot in fear the 151 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,159 radicalism of the youth, and I think this is true in our politics. 152 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:22,639 You know. I bet if you're a European looking at the situation, you 153 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:26,159 might even want McConnell to hang in there. I mean, I'm just reading 154 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,360 an interview or just translating an interview for a substack with Joshua Mitchell, Georgetown 155 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:33,440 professor, in one of our senior faculty and senior fellows at the Common Sense 156 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:39,200 Society talking about, well, where is America going to be with Europe for 157 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,720 the next couple of years, and he said, well, right now, 158 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:45,440 the people who are clinging to power in America on the Democrats side and Republican 159 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,279 side are a bunch of former cold quarters who, regardless of their differences on 160 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:54,159 different politics, have an understanding of what he called, I disagree the existential 161 00:11:54,200 --> 00:12:00,840 threat the Putent poses to the West. And if you get once, you 162 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:07,200 lose those people, you've got a democratic activists and folks who are probably a 163 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,600 lot less prone to be trigger happy in Europe and be involved in their affairs, 164 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:16,879 especially, I mean, the sins of the white Man, the sins 165 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:20,480 of Christianity, the sins of Christendom fall pretty squarely in these guy's minds on 166 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,679 the European people as well as US. And then you've got Republicans who have 167 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:30,960 they've certainly lost a lot of grounds since Tucker left Fox, but who are 168 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:33,639 much who are also very skeptical of this whole arrangement, and that they don't 169 00:12:33,639 --> 00:12:37,919 think that the Cold War is still going on and they're not not interested in 170 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:41,799 continuing it. They So if you're if you're one of our allies, you 171 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,639 might be looking at these fossils who you know, maybe they stopped talking halfway 172 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,960 through a sentence and forget where they are and fall on their face, but 173 00:12:50,799 --> 00:12:54,279 at least they have some kind of memory of the way things had been done 174 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,519 for that in a unipolar century. That's a fascinating observation about the Cold warriors 175 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,960 because that explains why they would cling so fastidiously to power in the sense that 176 00:13:03,039 --> 00:13:07,519 like the world order of the Cold War is all they know, and people 177 00:13:07,519 --> 00:13:11,399 who try to move on try to turn the page from that chapter, then 178 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:24,240 it becomes frightening. The Watchdold on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. 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They're speaking of politicians, you're I 187 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,639 just took a picture of him like she's got having a Mike Pence moment or 188 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,519 so here there dressed like Mike Pence, like Mike Pence at a barbecue. 189 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,679 There's a fly on top of her head. I saw it. I saw 190 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,320 it, but I was I was deep in thought. The only person ever 191 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,759 successfully handled that, and I hate to be from credit is Barack Obama, 192 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:16,759 who just swatted it. Oh, but didn't hasn't. Alex Jones used that 193 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:22,320 clip of Obama and the flies because he says that what does he have an 194 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,080 atlant Obama and Hillary both smell like sulfur? Yeah, did they attract the 195 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,559 flies? Or's only right. Jones right about most things, not all things, 196 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:35,000 most at least, I mean, but I do imagine if Donald Trump 197 00:14:35,039 --> 00:14:37,919 had just killed a flyer, Mike Pence had killed a fly on national television, 198 00:14:39,039 --> 00:14:41,840 they'd be a monster. Yeah. But Barack Obama, look how cool 199 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,879 and quick he is. There's an amazing sub well, actually it's not a 200 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:46,559 subplot. There's a plot line on one of those seasons of Real Housewives with 201 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:52,080 Beverly Hills. One of the women swats a bee and the other woman is 202 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,799 Wickan. I don't know if this is like respecting left for animals is a 203 00:14:56,799 --> 00:15:00,679 Wickan thing, but she There's like a whole fight that draws drawn out for 204 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,480 like an arc of five episodes because one of the housewives s wanted to be 205 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:07,159 and this would surely be our politics, and my friends were just want to 206 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:13,200 fly. There's a lot of very lost people out there who reject the religion 207 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,799 of their of their forefathers and try to discover something new. And there's this 208 00:15:18,879 --> 00:15:22,279 really silly myth like the Wiccans were just one with nature, Like this whole 209 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:26,200 idea of like a noble savage, which is complete polocks, and the idea 210 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:31,799 that like the Druids were like a peaceful people and said, there's no evidence 211 00:15:31,879 --> 00:15:37,039 really to bear that up at all. The Druids were the first civilization that 212 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,480 the Romans came across where they wiped it out. It's it's someone offensive also 213 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:48,279 to like warrior civilizations that would never want to take pride in this peaceful imagery. 214 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:52,440 I mean like when the Romans got then the first accounts of the Romans 215 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,320 coming across the Druids, they found these circles where the priests would do their 216 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,559 sacrifices and their prayer circles, and they were totally freaked out because literally birds 217 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:04,440 didn't chirp in these areas. And the Romans are like, whatever these people 218 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,799 are is so evil that we're not going to attack them. We're just going 219 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,080 to wipe them off the planet. And all these hippies now are like, 220 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,840 it's a life Shay and Jesus are so evil. I think I'm gonna be 221 00:16:14,919 --> 00:16:18,840 a Druid a Wiccan and save the bees. Yeah. I understand that they're 222 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,919 slightly different here, but it's just it's a bunch of malarkey, as our 223 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,559 president might say. You wrote this week in the Common Sense Society sub sac 224 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:32,840 about Robert A statue of Robert E. Lee. Right, Yes, So 225 00:16:32,879 --> 00:16:34,799 I read this piece and I figured you would come today wanting to talk about 226 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:41,039 it, and it's actually not entirely disconnected. Sometimes I feel ridiculous doing like 227 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:47,039 the mental gymnastics required at an Olympic level to string segments of a show together. 228 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,879 But this, yeah, I don't think this is that much of a 229 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:52,159 stretch. You were just talking about people finding solace, attempting to find solace 230 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:57,000 in new religions, and indeed the efforts of iconiclasm that have swapt the country 231 00:16:57,039 --> 00:17:02,399 over the last couple of years. I've taken the form of exactly that. 232 00:17:02,399 --> 00:17:06,160 That's like false new religion. People are fighting solace and hoping. Yeah, 233 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,720 there's a there's an active group of minority of people who are backed by their 234 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,400 friends in the media and friends and politics, who are trying to tear down 235 00:17:12,519 --> 00:17:17,079 American history. And you know, the American people are generally don't stand for 236 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,240 that stuff. The American people are generally pro their history. They like their 237 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:25,000 statutes, where we're not for tearing things down. But everyone was kind of 238 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:27,440 lulled into complacency of like, listen, we just want to have an honest 239 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,519 debate. These folks said, we just want to we want to talk about 240 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:34,119 the past and hurtful aspects of what we want to contextualize history. And it's 241 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,319 like, Okay, that sounds all very reasonable. Yeah, we're gonna we're 242 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:41,200 gonna put these things into museums and cemeteries, you know where they belong. 243 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,240 We don't any American people like, Okay, that that sounds pretty reason why 244 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,400 I don't actually understand if the central road of the Capital Virginia needs to be 245 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:52,039 lined with massive statues to the Confederate Cause, Like, yes, maybe there's 246 00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:55,000 a better way to do this, yes, but that's not what they hadn't 247 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:00,000 mind at all. And the perfect example was last earlier this week on Monday 248 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:06,240 Day. Through a technicality and an opponent of this move not filing on time, 249 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:10,920 the judge said that they can move ahead this museum, and Richmond and 250 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,319 Charlottesville can move ahead with melting down this gorgeous statue of Robert E. Lee 251 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,799 from the top of from Charlottesville. From Charlottesville. Okay, it's actually the 252 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:23,240 statue that in this statue was doomed by its friends. The Unite the Right 253 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:30,000 rally ended up with that deadly riot was in response to taking that statue down. 254 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,640 Now, it's a gorgeous statue. It wasn't completed by this artist, 255 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,160 but the sculptor who began, and he died while working on it. His 256 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,240 most famous work, if you ever in DC, is probably his statue of 257 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,400 Ulysses S. Grant, equestrian statue of him in front of the US Capital, 258 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:48,079 which is just a beautiful piece of work. If you're ever near the 259 00:18:48,079 --> 00:18:52,720 Willard Hotel and you're waiting in line for the White House for whatever reason, 260 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,599 actively the Capital Actually, now I'm mixing it up, but that's it's in 261 00:18:56,599 --> 00:19:00,759 front of the Capital, and it's it's really beautiful and it's worth taken in 262 00:19:02,079 --> 00:19:06,480 by the reflecting pool. The Willard is famously where Ulysses S. Grant held 263 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:08,880 court. He would sit outside. He's actually rumored to haunt the Wildard. 264 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:14,000 It's the Willard. We get the term lobbying from the Willard because Grant would 265 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,799 sit in the lobby of the Willard and he would be lobbied. Yeah, 266 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,039 and I briefly confused the beautiful crust in statue right there with the one of 267 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,359 Grant. There is actually a beautiful piece of stature going up across from the 268 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,400 Willard of the World War One Memorial. Oh yes, which is truly stunning, 269 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,119 and actually the architects reached out. We I think we should have him 270 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,400 on the podcast soon. Would love that. So that this museum that it 271 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,640 was given to, which is like not really a museum, and it's supposed 272 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:38,720 to be. It's got a museum in its name, but it really kind 273 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:44,200 of seems more like a center for woke politics and hating white people. They 274 00:19:44,279 --> 00:19:47,240 wanted to melt it down, to create it into something new, and they 275 00:19:47,279 --> 00:19:48,759 the judge and then by the way, they weren't. They wouldn't even prove 276 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,400 to the court that the statue was still intact. And there's rumors that they're 277 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,680 already been sought into pieces before this order came through. We watch a big 278 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,720 thing, we're going to store it, and they didn't like it. That 279 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:06,599 sounds so gruesome, truly. Yeah. I packed him up. And you 280 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,920 know, people when when Donald Trump originally in twenty seventeen said listen, first, 281 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,680 they're coming for Confederates, They're going to come for our founding fathers, 282 00:20:12,759 --> 00:20:17,680 everyone just mocked him and people were in fact checks false. It's just like, 283 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,759 I don't know how you fact check a prediction. NPR said it was 284 00:20:21,759 --> 00:20:26,079 a bunch of what about is um He did the fourth of July speech in 285 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:32,079 front of Mount Rushmore and wasn't at CNN that ran a story or segment. 286 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,319 It was on air. I think about how it was like Trump was doing 287 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,920 a speech in front a bunch of racists. Oh, unbelievable. Yeah, 288 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,359 Ty and Teddy Roosevelt on my Rushmore. His statue was taken down in front 289 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:48,519 of the New York Public Library, a beautiful statue because I guess Teddy Roosevelt 290 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:52,599 on a horse made the native peoples of New York. By the way, 291 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:57,200 we're no longer welcomed there by their mayor. U feel afraid which is not 292 00:20:57,319 --> 00:21:02,279 true. I mean, it's just it's it's absolutely ridiculous. They fought bitterly 293 00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:07,680 over Jefferson in Charlottesville. Yes, they're coming essentially to take it all down. 294 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,279 So we've just been lied to. And the thing is my alma mater. 295 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,759 Sorry, I thought we thought of one more. At George Washington University. 296 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:19,400 Did George Washington name and statue has been attacked and they changed the moniker 297 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,359 from the colonials. Yeah, we can't have the Colonials anymore. They changed 298 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,160 my high school football team from the Colonials as well. You're from Massachusetts, 299 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:33,759 literally Colonials. My brother started the moving company, Colonial Moving, shortly before 300 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:38,319 this whole wave. So funny are you still getting I mean, because the 301 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:44,359 Colonial Moving, it's just like it sounds nice, colonial homes. It's this 302 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,400 is this is a term that like denotes class, I mean, and he 303 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:51,119 has not yet changed the name of that, and they're still getting business. 304 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,559 The sorry one more. The mascot on Dawson's Creek, the football team they 305 00:21:55,559 --> 00:22:00,200 were based in Cape Cod fictionally, but their mascot was the Minutemen. Yeah, 306 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:07,759 the Minimen would probably have been changed. Yeah, you know. And 307 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,160 they always say, they always claim, well, we're going to create something 308 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,039 new with this, but this movement, by and large, with a few 309 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,720 exceptions, hasn't been much about creating anything. They've been about tearing things down. 310 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,680 The things that they do create are generally ugly, of a lesser artistic 311 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:26,920 quality or less uplifting. Let's just I mean, just I'm not not talking 312 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:32,640 about the figures, just the statue of itself is less beautiful then, and 313 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,480 we can still make beautiful stuff. There are still wonderful sculptors out there, 314 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,440 like this World War One memorial is going to show from saving studios, people 315 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,519 who can do incredible work, but they're not being chosen. And they said, 316 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:45,359 oh, we're going to tear down the statuars down Monument Row in Richmond. 317 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:49,039 All right, well, what's there now? The citizens that they're supposed 318 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:52,440 to come down are supposed to come down this month. I don't think it 319 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,680 has yet. The citizens are still just fighting to get the fencing taken down. 320 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,880 It's a bunch of pedestals covered in graffiti. It ugly some of these 321 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,880 cities where they had a statue of Lee or a statue of Teddy Roosevelt, 322 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,440 it's just a pedestal now with a couple of flower pots I saw on one 323 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,440 of them put on top of it. We're not creating, we're just destroying. 324 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,000 And you know, when I was going through this stuff and I was 325 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:15,759 reading the old headlines, a word that kept on popping out to me was 326 00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:22,759 reckoning. They called it this is America's Summer of racial reckoning, and twenty 327 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:26,200 twenty and even before that they were saying that was supposed to be the summer 328 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,559 of reckoning, which is when this really hit a fever pitch and it started 329 00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:34,400 two years before. And reckoning is very different from reconciliation. When you reconcile, 330 00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:41,160 it's when brothers, sisters, family friends, countrymen come together and apologize 331 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:47,480 and forgive over past disagreements, for mistakes or wrongs that have been done. 332 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:53,039 And bringing together. A reckoning is vengeance when it's punishment for past wrongdoings. 333 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:56,799 Real and imagine, and that really should have been something that just tipped off 334 00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:00,039 the American people who I think have been fooled and lied to on this and 335 00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:06,240 spectacularly and very sadly idle in the faces of this, of this threat that 336 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,319 when you have places like NPR and CNN saying we promise a racial reckoning, 337 00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:14,400 what does that mean. It means vengeance on your symbols. It means vengeance 338 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,079 on the people who perceived as having wronged you. It means blood debts. 339 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,720 I mean, none of these slavers are alive. I mean there's still a 340 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:26,400 lot of slavers in the world. Juneteenth was not celebrated in Africa or Asia, 341 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,200 where there's a ton of human slavery still. But that I think that 342 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:36,319 that kind of realizing that looking back through these articles was like we wrote about 343 00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:38,079 this, we knew it was bad. At the Federals, there's some really 344 00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:45,160 great pieces from Helen wrote about how, hey, this audiconoclassm that you see 345 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:48,759 was very similar to what I saw in China, my parents saw in China 346 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:53,359 when I was when they were growing up, when they attacked Confucius's tomb and 347 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,720 tore up this family graves, and it's like, why there's nothing to hear 348 00:24:57,759 --> 00:25:02,400 that stands in front of of the Chinese Communist Party's rule. It's just like 349 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,680 a rural cemetery. And her point was, no, this is if we 350 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,559 can come for this person, we can come for you. No one is 351 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:12,000 safe. We can put out a statue of George Washington, then nothing is 352 00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:18,559 safe. And so what is the Robbert Lea? What is its status right 353 00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:22,640 now? That statue, Well, it's a mystery. But because apparently an 354 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,720 expert was supposed to be flown in from California to verify that the statue had 355 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,880 not been sought in the pieces the litigants, we're not able to get any 356 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,359 evidence of it. I was getting in frantic phone calls on money, like 357 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,359 we think it might actually already be destroyed. But what's going to happen, 358 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:38,559 and this was going to happen from the very beginning, is they're going to 359 00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:42,359 melt it down, and they say that they're going to use the use it 360 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,680 to make new art. I'm very doubtful of that. We don't have a 361 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,720 civilization that really creates as much anymore. Was the promise or not the promise, 362 00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:55,480 but like the pledge to put it in a museum in this case, 363 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,559 the actually in this case it was given to the museum who promptly and immediately 364 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:06,039 promised to melt it down right now. And they called this very disingenuously swords 365 00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:11,960 into plowshares a reference to the Bible pounding the swords into plowshares and bringing about 366 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:18,640 peace. And that's but an interesting aspectively. And I'm I come to this 367 00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:22,640 whole debate differently from a lot of other people because I'm from Massachusetts, but 368 00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:26,720 I'm a Yankee. My family fought on both sides, but I'm thoroughly on 369 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:30,839 the side of Abraham Lincolns debate. Yes, let us both established that we 370 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,240 were thoroughly on the side of I'm sure some of our listeners are a little 371 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:40,279 more skeptical of the Lincoln es, Yes, a great tyrant of the North. 372 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,799 But Robert Lee was ended up being a peacemaker. I mean he took 373 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:48,640 up arms against his fellow man, he took up arms against his country he's 374 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,880 formed as allegiance to and took up arms, and a lot of people died 375 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,480 because of his tactical abilities to keep that war going a lot longer than it 376 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,599 probably otherwise would have been able to. But the end he retired to Washington 377 00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:06,880 Lee University Washington University at the time, and then was trying to be a 378 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,920 peacemaker. And these statue. A lot of the statutory that came around when 379 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,759 this came around in the fiftieth anniversary or so of the war, such as 380 00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:18,039 A one hundred years old, were towards reconciliation. There's that excellent footage that 381 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:25,519 still remains in an audio recording of the anniversary. I think it's the fiftieth 382 00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:30,359 anniversary of Gettysburg where Confederate veterans and Union veterans met at the high point of 383 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,480 the Confederacy. Pickets charged and reached over the fence and shook each other's hands, 384 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,200 and they put up them on some humble monuments there to reconciliation. There's 385 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,440 a beautiful Confederate memorial in Arlington Cemetery. Cemeteries, remember those were a place 386 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,480 that were supposed to be safe. This is a place for the ghost, 387 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:51,359 This is a place for the past. Those those aren't safe either. Literally, 388 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,920 a monument to reconciliation that stands over the number of graves that were Confederate 389 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:03,359 graves that were reburied there after the Spanish America War is the Department of Defense 390 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,200 is moving forward to tear it down. Republicans are absolutely silent on this in 391 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:08,519 Congress and the Senate. They don't want to talk about it. It's a 392 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:14,880 very awkward subject for them. And this statue literally has one of the bars 393 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:21,559 resting on a plowshare like it says it like this cause is over, the 394 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,680 Confederacy is over. Now it's time to come together Swords and the plowshares. 395 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,720 And they want to tear that down. So there's some irony to this Charlottesville 396 00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:32,559 program being called Swords of the Plowshares. One. We know that when they 397 00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:34,279 say they want to contextualize, they just want to destroy. When they say 398 00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:37,400 they want to put in museums, they just want to destroy. When they 399 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,039 say they're in cemeteries. They just want to destroy. When they say that, 400 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,880 swords and the plowshares, they want to destroy that too. It's a 401 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:48,240 very destructive movement, and it's we've been fooled, and there's a lot of 402 00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:53,599 ugliness now and a lot of empty spaces and what we're once beautiful American civic 403 00:28:53,799 --> 00:29:00,680 spaces. Correct me if I'm wrong. The Richmond Monument drives statues. Those 404 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,799 were Jim Crow era, right when you had people in the South trying to 405 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:10,960 sort of reestablish dominance. Okay, you're googling it right now. Yeah, 406 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,240 I'm not actually sure if those were put up to me this, I feel 407 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,000 like we're on who wants to be a millionaire. There's a bunch of different 408 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:22,759 statute. We had two the North essentially sort of building monuments to the Civil 409 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:26,480 War right away. The South did not because the South was starving to death. 410 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,799 Yeah, and they were. They've been ravaged. The war aside from 411 00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:33,880 Gettysburg, had been fought entirely in the South. Their dollar was worthless. 412 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,720 I mean, America didn't even really catch up to how devastated the South was 413 00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:44,160 until World War One, when the amount of men who were incapable of We're 414 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,680 in the uniform because their necks were swollen by a lack of salt in their 415 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,720 diet. And the and the American people suddenly realized, whoa half of our 416 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,799 country is unfit for military service because of malnutrition. And the South entirely in 417 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:00,240 the South, we had to go down there. No started building their monuments 418 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:03,759 right away. The South really started building a lot of their monuments on the 419 00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:07,799 fiftieth anniversary and then again on the hundredth anniversary. The hundred anniversary does coincide 420 00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:12,720 with Jim Crow, and there certainly was an aspect and some of these communities 421 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:18,519 of this is a Confederate town. Yeah, rabble rousing civil rights people need 422 00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:25,000 to get lost, and there's a lot of unfriendliness. And that's why I 423 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:26,880 think a lot of people look at that and reasonable people and saying, well, 424 00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:30,599 maybe this should be contextualized, Maybe this would be better in a museum. 425 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,160 But then there's other things like in Alexandra, where I now live, 426 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:40,279 there was a statue of Confederate Sam I think his name was, and it 427 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,279 was just a lone infantryman who was facing towards the South and away from DC. 428 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,480 And the whole point was like go home. The war is over, 429 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,039 and this is an anonymous person, like the average Confederate, just like the 430 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:57,359 average Union. They didn't own anything, forget about humans. They didn't know 431 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:03,400 people who knew who owned humans. And even those statutes were unsafe and they 432 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,400 were torn down. So while there is like there is history there that ought 433 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,079 to be contextualized, and there are things that we need to reconcile and come 434 00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:17,400 together on and forgive each other on. And part of forgiveness is seeking seek 435 00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:22,519 asking forgive us an apology to apologizing. That's real, but that American instincts 436 00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:29,319 toward grace and then American instincts toward harmony was taken advantage of by kind of 437 00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:36,079 like Maoist's style political activists who were actually just there not to have a reconciliation, 438 00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:38,680 but to have a reckoning and not to build ties between communities about to 439 00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:42,240 destroy them. And the fruits of their work are everywhere. I mean, 440 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,319 race relations are so much worse than they were ten years ago. They were 441 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:52,319 there worse than they were before Barack Obama became president. Things have gotten bad, 442 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,079 and there's a lot of hate being taught now in our schools that's born 443 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:57,640 out in polling by the way people say their perception of race relations in the 444 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:04,759 United States tanked along Obama administration. Yeah, and every little matter was raised 445 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:08,680 to a national level frequently, over and over again by the Obama administration. 446 00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:15,319 And now there's a whole generation who's being taught in schools. And I mean 447 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,920 my stepson was in DC schools and they had they had a spirit week and 448 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,960 like one day it was like where a switch, where who are you to 449 00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:28,559 school? Day? Surprise, We're gonna teach you about Trayvon Martin in kindergarten. 450 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,799 Some of them, some of the first graders and secondatis came home crying. 451 00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:34,079 I heard. I think it went right over the heads of the kindergarteners. 452 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,680 What are you talking about? And it's like, it's not like Trayvon 453 00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:43,440 Martin was some awful civil rights lynching, like a dark I'm at till moment 454 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,680 in American history. It's like it only really is a pivotal moment to these 455 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:51,680 teachers of a very certain age, like mid thirties, early forties today, 456 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,200 to them like this is our is our m at till moment? No, 457 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:58,960 it wasn't. What was this a national thing? But they're teaching hate in 458 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:05,799 the schools you have the people have taken over and I've always run actually the 459 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,279 Smithsonian of Black History, who are saying that things like being on time, 460 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,880 discipline, things like that are just are white ways to keep down persons of 461 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:20,440 color. That's a very toxic message to send out to a whole generation that 462 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,279 is being raised with nineteen sixties like race hate as kind of a normalcy. 463 00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:27,559 And it's not in every school, but it's in way more schools than you 464 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,319 think. Yeah, segregation isn't essentially you see in the college commencements, literal 465 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:38,400 segregations indoors, Yeah, in dormitories. Yeah. And to speak up, 466 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,559 I mean it's as another interesting thing and the Joshua Mitchuan of you. And 467 00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:45,960 we'll figure out which we're going to post in the sub stack later today. 468 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,400 If I get to it is, um, I lost my train of thoughts. 469 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,240 I want to keep continue. You're posting nothing's really going to stop this, 470 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,759 Like white American conservatives are not going to stop this. It's gonna need 471 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:04,240 to be a rebellion from within Black America. That says, what is going 472 00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:07,239 on here? Well, that's that's the because they're they've been used by activists 473 00:34:07,239 --> 00:34:13,000 and white politicians the number headic side to be this kind of like battering ram 474 00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:15,239 against opponents, and it's going to have to come from that community like Tim 475 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,760 Scott's and other folks who stand up and say, what are you doing on 476 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,280 the view preaching race hate? What are you talking about? Yes, there 477 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,920 are difficulties in America. I like Tim Scott's message on this because it's more 478 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:30,559 nuanced than most. It's not just like they're they're white America. Everything's fine, 479 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,079 You're good and so. Yeah, I've had some problems in my life. 480 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:35,599 I've probably been pulled over more often than I would have had I not 481 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,920 been black, but they did that. This is a racist and irredeemable country. 482 00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:44,719 Is obscene. Oh, this is the Tim Scott speech after I can't 483 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:51,719 breathe. This is a twenty sixteen Eric Garner seen, which is brutal. 484 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,400 By the way, cigarettes my gosh, Oh, it's unbelievable, but it 485 00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:00,400 has led to in a moment of levity here the the racal site through DC 486 00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:06,119 streets. The last couple of years of like grossly obese activists wearing masks on 487 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,199 ninety five degree days that I can't breathe, sharks and I'm like, yeah, 488 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,639 your lungs and hard. I work it over. Time you pick that 489 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,840 mask off and hit the gym, you can't breathe. You see. It's 490 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,880 hard for me to laugh at that because I think of how all of the 491 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:29,079 rich white liberals in the newsrooms of the glossy magazines, planning magazine covers or 492 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:37,800 TV segments that say obesity is healthy over and over again that backlashes was beginning. 493 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:43,800 Is it's so exploitively not it is exploitive and disgusting. Um, it's 494 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,719 funny you mentioned that, you know, there's a lot to go off of 495 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,480 from Evan and ran lay In a while, you have been rambling a while, 496 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,559 not out of character, but like really like you can't get on your 497 00:35:55,559 --> 00:36:04,000 bike gold. But Trayvon Martin was when I looked back. I was in 498 00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:07,719 college at the time, and I remember having just this incredible sinking feeling. 499 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,239 This is on the heels of I mean, what a year or two after 500 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:15,039 the Beer Summit, maybe like three years after the Beer Summit, which was 501 00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:21,559 a smaller scale and obviously much less tragic, sort of similar version of what 502 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,159 happened in some ways with Traymon Martin and George Zimmerman. In that the story 503 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:31,639 became huge national news and it didn't need to President Wade In. Yeah, 504 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:36,639 and I just remember having such a sinking feeling when that happened, and feeling 505 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,119 really scared about the future of the country. And I was so young. 506 00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:43,039 I mean, I didn't know anything, but I had viscerally this awful feeling 507 00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:45,519 about where this was all going. And I think if you look back now, 508 00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:51,360 that is it was after Traymon Martin that it then went to Ferguson and 509 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,559 Michael Brown. It then went to Freddy Gray, which and that was bigger 510 00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:59,639 than Trayvon Martin. Um. And it was a lie that was carried on 511 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:05,599 from months and months and months, and it just truly set us back so 512 00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:08,320 far. And I do feel like it all came down to it really started 513 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,519 with the Trademond Martin playbook from the media and from Democrats, and they've got 514 00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:15,280 a powerful tour of the media I think has as the biggest role to play 515 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,719 in this. I mean, if you go to some like neo nazi and 516 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,679 racist corners of the internet, you'll find websites that just collate every example of 517 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,079 black and white violence. Yeah, and they're just video ACTI video that I've 518 00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:30,800 seen on Twitter people just and I'm like, what the heck is this? 519 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,119 And I realized this is this is account to just post black and white violence. 520 00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:39,639 Yeah, and that stuff is extremely incendiary and it's dangerous dialogue to engage 521 00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:42,840 in. I mean, I mean, it's fine if you want to be 522 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,159 honest and talk about it. But the whole national media decided that cop on 523 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:52,559 black violence was going to be their thing. Yeah, like the mirror image 524 00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:55,159 of the dark corners of the Internet was our national media. So it didn't 525 00:37:55,199 --> 00:38:00,400 matter if someone had a handgun and was running from police and had opened fire. 526 00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:04,000 It was and it didn't matter if like we saw it with Freddy Brown 527 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,519 in Baltimore, where a black youth was killed by a combination of black and 528 00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:09,800 hispanic police officers and a majority black police force in a majority black city with 529 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,639 a black police chief and a black mare. It was a white man's fault, 530 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,719 and the media was just blaring this and it's it's so it was, 531 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,159 it's so toxic, and it's led a lot of people. That's how I 532 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:29,519 met a friend of mine, older, older woman, maybe sixty, who 533 00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:31,599 went from just like a normal like Obama voting liberal too. We need to 534 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:37,599 abolish police. What living in this beautiful suburb of New York City, very 535 00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,679 expensive Tonytown, and we need to abolish police. You can't be serious. 536 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,079 But I saw it on the TV. It's probably fine in her town. 537 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,159 The Federals exposed one of those stories, how I became a police abolitionist, 538 00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:52,280 written in The Atlantic. This was your reporting. Yes, yeah, and 539 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,800 people talking like this this won't changed my mind. I started this article being 540 00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,039 skeptical of abolished police, and I ended it thinking we must do this. 541 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:05,960 And the article was the idea that the first this activist Deerka Purnell had the 542 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,320 first time she'd ever seen a police shooting was a cop had shot a child 543 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,079 for skipping a sign up sheet at their baseball at the basketball court at their 544 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:19,000 local YMCA or something community center. And I got away with it and I 545 00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:22,639 was back on the job. It turned out it wasn't true. They were 546 00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:27,320 both children. They were cousins. When was a security guard, they were 547 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,000 like best friends, and they had a fight and he wounded him and he 548 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:34,119 was sobbing when the police got there. I can't believe I shot my cousin, 549 00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:37,360 and who's fired and arrested? The kid was fortunately, okay, and 550 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,599 all of it was a lie. And we finally battered at The Atlantic, 551 00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:45,159 which used to have like used to literally run articles about their fact checking. 552 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,760 When we finally battered them over the head enough with this, like, look, 553 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,199 this is obviously false, they changed. They didn't retract the article. 554 00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:59,559 They said, well, the message still stands, which is that the White 555 00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:04,199 Man's Path, I guess a famously anti racist publication. And right, the 556 00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:09,280 Atlantic, given its history, and this is advancing neo racism. Essentially, 557 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,960 that's what the narrative has been for a really long time, and that's what 558 00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:15,719 it became. It metastasized into something really awful, and that's where we get 559 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:22,199 segregation in college norms now and lawlessness in DC. We're a whole generation of 560 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,800 kids who are supposed to be in high school. We're instead not in school 561 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,519 for two years. Well, their parents were trying to get to work, 562 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,199 if they were working at all. There's a lot of families in DC. 563 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:36,039 There are generations without a job, and they're at the same time told it 564 00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:38,000 was racist to arrest them, so like they know they're not going to get 565 00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:43,199 arrested. So I mean, right now, there are young adults who think 566 00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:47,400 that they won't be arrested for carjackie. The police can't chase them. It's 567 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,599 not just our beauty and our statuary and the true things that we have and 568 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:57,880 our history. It's our youth and our sense of community as an American people 569 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,320 have all been really torn apart. And I got initiate they weren't corn apart 570 00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:07,880 by white racism. Well the correctort apart by these activists. It's so where 571 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,679 I was going to go with that. And by the way, in the 572 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:15,599 words of not your mayor anymore, my Mayor Muriel Bowser, this isn't Mayberry. 573 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,920 It's literally when she said at a press conference this week after keys had 574 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,159 been stolen from vallet stands around town, She's like, basically by saying that 575 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:28,239 is blaming the businesses for the lawlessness and the city that she's presided over during 576 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,039 this crime spike by saying, this isn't Mayberry. Amazing, what a ridiculous 577 00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:37,280 crime. If for your listeners who don't live in Washington, DC, it 578 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,880 actually made me giggle on my awful like prankster punk rock like back of my 579 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,079 brain. When you had somebody somebody stole all the keys from a valley stand 580 00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:51,960 at the nice restaurant at Del Friscos. Yeah, uh, but it's a 581 00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:55,880 lawless system. The cops that the people who had their cars key stolen were 582 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,400 like, are you going to do anything about this? And the cops like 583 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,760 like, what do you mean we think we solve carthufts? Like all you're 584 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,280 gonna patrol the garage where all the cars are, And the cops like seemed 585 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,360 bewildered by this line of question. I can I work here where to write 586 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,440 a report? Yeah? Yeah, no, I have just the anecdotal reports 587 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,159 that people have been dealing with in the city are truly unbelievable. To Virginia. 588 00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:23,000 Yeah, literally, I moved to Virginia. They solve crimes. I 589 00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:27,679 get like new crime of who hacks on roberty Lee, like a string of 590 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,039 robberies, like not arrested. I mean when one of our colleagues the house 591 00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:37,079 was burgled in uh and Alexandria burgled, they arrested the guy like two weeks 592 00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:40,840 later because they dusted for Prince. Imagine if I called the cops of my 593 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,000 house in DC, it was like somebody brand in here. They're like, 594 00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:47,400 oh, okay, what do you want me to do? Arrest somebody? 595 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,360 Actually arrested this guy. That actually happened at the old office. There was 596 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,400 no dusting for Prince if you'll remember, Yes, yeah, it was no 597 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,400 dusting for Prince. Okay, anyway, we have our best men on it 598 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,159 that working around the clock shifts, so all of that decide. Because I 599 00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:05,559 think we've talked about monument driving Richmond before. That is one of the I 600 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:12,239 thought that was despicable and just also um so physically oppressively despicable when you were 601 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,360 driving down Monument driver in Rickman. Now, whether it's I thought it was, 602 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:22,480 I don't want the Confederates full disclosure. But they were such beautiful statue. 603 00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:25,039 It was such a grand boulevard. It was this beautiful statue. The 604 00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:30,800 design was so ugly, the design was incredible. If it was not a 605 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,559 bunch of traders and racists, So it would be a different conversation who fought 606 00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:39,039 for the dissolution of the country. But man, some listeners are really can't 607 00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:44,679 have as in this podcast, eighteen ninety was the first monument that was late. 608 00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:50,880 So it's pretty thoroughly not not that though there was there was one. 609 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,119 There was one monument that I was very happy to see taken down. I 610 00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:57,039 think it was in Tennessee of Nathan Bedford Floyd, the cavalry General Christopher Bench. 611 00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,760 I wasn't my glics. It's not just because he like found it the 612 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,119 coop luck Land and was a psychotic calvary general really probably the best of the 613 00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:07,480 war. It was just a really ugly statue. It had like red glowing 614 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:14,800 eyes. It was like and contentionally evil looking. Yes, go'll take that. 615 00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:16,840 Let don't put that a museum. Yeah, melt that down? Yeah, 616 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,639 please? No. The Miament Drive one for me was like if I 617 00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:25,079 put myself in the shoes of a black American looking up at that, or 618 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:30,559 some of a black person lives in Richmond, it was aggrandizing them. It 619 00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:34,320 wasn't historical context, and I think that's a key distinction. But that gets 620 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,039 the last point I wanted to make and wanted to pose to you. You 621 00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:42,760 mentioned forgiveness, and that is fundamentally I think what this gets back to, 622 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,320 over and over again, there is no concept we could talk about this at 623 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:52,119 nauseum. How it was illustrated I think in an eye opening way over the 624 00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:54,880 course of cancel culture. But I don't think anybody has any goal of forgiveness 625 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,800 there is no limiting principle. There is no end to any of this, 626 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,039 and that's what's I think most frightening in that. I agree, Um, 627 00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:08,000 you know, there has to be um forgiveness obviously, not just of the 628 00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:12,480 past, but any wrongs that are genuine wrongs that happen in the present. 629 00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:17,880 Um. Yes, But I don't think anybody that's involved in the iconoclasm has 630 00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:23,039 any concept of what would finally allow them to forgive of, what would be 631 00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:27,440 what does that look like? What is your end? Yeah? They got 632 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,320 again. I guess to go back to this Mitchell interview and he does a 633 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,639 lot of work on this in general, Joshua Mitchell. The scapegoating, the 634 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,840 idea that which comes from the ancient Hebrew idea of putting the sins of the 635 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,679 community out of goat and sending that coat out of the desert, you know, 636 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,920 just which is a tough sentence for that goat, but it takes the 637 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,960 sins out of the community. That's so many good goats lost to this, 638 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,440 you know. But well, they were big on animal sacrifice, and we 639 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:57,039 don't, the Christians no longer do the animal sacrifices that we have that we 640 00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:00,360 have the lamb who all the sins would take out on that on Christ. 641 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:07,079 But the concept still exists, and the concept of sin in America was crucial 642 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:09,840 to our Puritan foundings. Did you see the scapegoat of the sins of the 643 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:15,960 community being exercise early in American history seat in Salem. And the reason why 644 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,800 the witch trials went for as long as they did in Salem but way longer 645 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,639 in Europe is because of the reaction of American Christians and the forgiveness aspect of 646 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,480 Hold on a second, maybe we shouldn't be burning all these witches. That's 647 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:32,400 a fascinating point you should write about. Our scare was much much more contained 648 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,920 than the European one, which went for centuries. Usually there were more witches 649 00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:42,119 see in this context though, that's actually really fascinating question of how because again, 650 00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:45,400 like time and again, what is their end? They don't have one, 651 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,800 and I the Bible found the answer of like forgiveness. And that's where 652 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,920 people in the community were like, hold on a second, and they're we're 653 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,239 not Christians. We are so unmoored in this era of moral relativism. And 654 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:59,760 there's no there's no confession, there's no confession, but there's also no fundamental 655 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,440 concept of forgiveness because there's no end right, there's no right and wrong. 656 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,920 Everything is relative and there's just total untetheredness from principle. I mean, I 657 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:15,880 look at the arguments for having over reparations, unbelievably racist whole thing. Whether 658 00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:21,039 my family who emigrated here in World War two should have to pay or just 659 00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:22,559 my part of the family that was here during the Civil War. Should I 660 00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:27,320 get a discount from my family that fought in the Union or should I pay 661 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,679 more because of my family fought for the Confederacy. What about the guy who 662 00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:34,639 came over here from Ukraine? Does he have to pay? Does Kamala Harris 663 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,920 get money from Indian and Jamaican descent or is it just Barack Obama? And 664 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,280 does he have to pay because he's related to a slaveholder. It's just completely 665 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,719 insane. But if there was like a trillion dollar check that the NSCASE could 666 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,320 write and be like all right, issue settled, Never talk about it again, 667 00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:53,480 there's no more talking about this, like do it. But there's no 668 00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:59,440 way that's the case because there is no forgiveness, there's no reparations. Will 669 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:04,239 not rest like they will not the claim it's always to like to address past 670 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,119 grievances and press past wrongs and past sins. But it won't, it won't 671 00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:10,559 possibly affix it. It's too useful of a tool. It's too useful of 672 00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:16,760 a cuddule for people who want to take the American characters understanding of sin and 673 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:22,400 wrongdoing and search for redemption, which goes all the way back to the early 674 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,840 Protestant preachers of America, our constant search for God, Please bless us, 675 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,880 God, give us grace? How can American people be redeemed? And they 676 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,079 take that and they've twisted it. Did you say something nice about Protestants? 677 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,119 They did some good work here. Unfortunately their experiment has failed, and you 678 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,320 will after a century of war for end with a papal state. I never 679 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,320 heard you do that before. But they've twisted that American one, and that 680 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,800 American want of mercy and forgiveness. They've twisted it into subservience, and that 681 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,159 American search for sin and wrongdoing and redemption. They've twisted it into reckoning. 682 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,159 And they're not going to stop because these are tools with which to remake society. 683 00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:05,320 They've they've never the left has never been able to use class fighting so 684 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,480 far in America to really get the things they wanted. But they can use 685 00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:12,840 race, and that's and they can appeal to those even while a lot of 686 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,960 the Christianities itself has gone unfortunately, the silk based cultural instincts exist in the 687 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,760 shadows, and and that they're using that against us, and it's we need 688 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,760 to be aware of it. I mean, we need to reckon with that. 689 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,920 We need to reckon with that. That's the real reckoning. So I'll 690 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,760 just finish by quoting or paraphrasing. I was reading Russell Kirk recently and he 691 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,719 writes that the conservative doesn't believe the world can never be made perfect but tolerable. 692 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:46,840 And I think when you are again untethered from a sort of solid, 693 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,840 concrete moral foundation, that isn't you know your house is built on rock and 694 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,679 not on sand. Which moral relativism is the sand in that metaphor, in 695 00:49:55,679 --> 00:50:00,719 case it was unclear, which it probably was, But that if you don't 696 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,000 fundamentally, if you believe that this world can be made perfect, then you 697 00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:10,199 will never be satisfied. Because human beings are programmed to be suspicious of each 698 00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:14,679 other based on all kinds of different immutable characteristics. Whatever it is, it 699 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,320 will always exist. We can make it better, we can't make it perfect. 700 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,719 And if you believe that we have to make it perfect, and we 701 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,480 can indeed make it perfect, you will never ever be satisfied. Exactly right, 702 00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:29,000 And there's one more plug for our subseat, because it hits us. 703 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,039 We posted a really great piece earlier this week or maybe last week, a 704 00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:37,000 speech on a Speeza. Daniel Patrick Monahan, the late Democratic investor and senator, 705 00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:39,719 gave warning of that with the new Left, saying, you guys are 706 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:44,119 trying to make society perfect, and you're in a hurry, and it's very 707 00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:49,400 dangerous. And the zeeds of this recent round of race hate and problems and 708 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,719 reckonings in America are not planted in the eighteen sixties. The real stuff we're 709 00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,880 seeing were planted in the nineteen sixties with the radicals, and that is what's 710 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,360 coming to fruit now. I mean, America dealt with the Civil War. 711 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,239 Three hundred thousand men died just on the Union side alone in that Civil War. 712 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,440 And but this is a new thing and they're trying to they're trying to 713 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,360 lean back to it like a bunch of Mason's claiming they came from the pyramid 714 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,800 builders, but really it came from the nineteen to six season. That's that 715 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,960 needs to be addressed from within the communities that they're using to batter us or 716 00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,280 I don't think it's going to be put under control, Chris, Where can 717 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,639 people read that? Read that subseck post? It was fantastic. Where can 718 00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:31,639 people find it? You can find it a common Sense Society dot sub stack 719 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,880 dot com and right now we're on talks to get around special homepage. There 720 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:42,320 you go, Chrisford, executive editor of Soon perhaps a homepage for the common 721 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,159 Sense Society Stack. You've been listening to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. 722 00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:50,320 A Memlijasinski, culture editor here at The Federalist will be back soon with 723 00:51:50,440 --> 00:52:00,199 more. Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray about