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Hey everybody, and welcome to another
episode of My JavaScript Story. This week

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we're talking to Loyani Groner. I
hope I got close on your name.

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I'm really terrible at that. Do
you want to introduce yourself real quick?

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Remind people who you are? Sure? Well? First of all, thanks

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for having me. I love the
podcast, so it's a big owner for

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me to participate in it. So
my name is Loyania. As you mentioned,

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I'm a software developer from Brazil living
in Florida right now, uh huh,

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and I have been working with technology
for fourteen years, mostly in Java

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and also on front end with some
frameworks, and the latest framework that I'm

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working on right now is with Angler
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about G two I. Yeah,
and you did an episode back in November

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on Adventures Negular talking about creating content
in Portuguese. That's correct, And so

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your Portuguese is your native language,
correct, that's right. But you live

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in the US, so you've picked
up English as well, yes, and

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a little bit of Spanish. Oh
wow, yeah, let's let's get three

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of them in there. Why not
four? Right now? I'm intimidated.

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I only know two languages. So
yeah, let's dive in and kind of

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get your background a little bit.
How did you get into programming? So

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after I finished high school, so
this is like a long time ago,

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I had to pick a course in
college. So in Brazil, the way

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it works, whenever you go to
college, you need to define your major

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right away. So you can't go
to college and pick some classes and then

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after that you decide. So you
have to go to computer science college or

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you know, law school or medical
school and things like that. So I

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always liked mathematics and physics, so
okay, I'm going to try to do

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something in engineering. And from all
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I felt the most that was like
a match was computer science, just for

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the fact that I always like to
use the computer. That was the only

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thing, playing video games and stuff. So that's the reason that I decided

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to go to to computer science computer
science college. I didn't know anything about

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programming. I had no idea what
to expect from the from from the university.

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And my first class was an algorithm
class, and my professor was telling

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us how to write an algorithm to
peel a potato. So he was just

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trying to use things from our day
life and try to translate it to an

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algorithm. So that was really interesting
for me, as most of people whenever

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they are trying to learn how to
program. I had some difficulties. But

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then after that, like after four
or five months just training a lot,

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it's when I actually started to enjoy
writing programs. And that's how you know,

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started nice. So can we assume
you finished your CS degree, Yes,

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I did okay, because I'm trying
to create the story here, right

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and just kind of get a feel
for it. Okay, so you finish

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your CS degree then what So when
I was still in college, I got

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my first job opportunity. I was
in the second year, so it was

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like a junior developer in Java,
and that's when I also had my first

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experience with JavaScript. Back then,
Gmail was a thing, so ajax was

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still the new hype in the front
endow the good old days. Yep,

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I remember that. Yeah, So
we used to the bug with alerts on

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the screen. You just put a
lot of alerts, see which ones will

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be displayed, and then you know
exactly where your issue is on the code.

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So I stayed two years on this
company, so I had the experience

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working with Java development and also a
little bit with JavaScript, just playing JavaScript,

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no frameworks Jake Querry don't think j
Quarry even existed back then, so

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it was pretty nice. And after
that I had another job also as a

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Java developer. That's when I also
worked a little bit with JavaScript. Back

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then, we were still using jsps
on Java and a little bit of scriptlet,

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and there was still a little bit
of JavaScript just to make a few

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things work on the screen with very
basic stuff and on my third job.

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This is when I was still living
in Victoria, which is my hometown in

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Brazil, and then I had an
opportunity to move to San Paulo for a

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new job, and that's when I
actually started working more with front end and

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j Quarry and other JavaScript frameworks such
as the Sanchai XTJS. That was a

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big thing back then as well.
Oh Man, I had a contract working

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on ExtJS and I personally didn't enjoy
it, but some people were really young

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ho about it. It's interesting that
your career kind of followed a path of

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both Java and JavaScript, right.
A lot of people I talked to it's

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well, I got into Java or
Ruby or Python or this or that,

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and then I got into web and
then eventually something happened that kind of made

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them follow that transition all the way
into JavaScript. And it sounds like your

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course has been more. You know
that you're still doing Java and you're still

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doing JavaScript, and so you're working
full stack for lack of a better term.

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Yeah, since the beginning, I've
always worked with web projects and with

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all the companies that I have worked
with, they're all usually the task that

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you are responsible to do the end
to end the strains and also the back

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end connecting to the database and everything. So very cool. So do you

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feel like that's given you kind of
a different background from a lot of other

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Angular developers And what do you think
the advantages are disadvant that are? I

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think I think it's nice. I've
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and I think that knowing how the
back end works, whenever I'm coding

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the front end or whenever I start
coding the front end, I already know

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the things that I have to do
in order to be able to link my

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front end to the back end.
So the API. So I think that

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gives a good background, especially when
you are designing new APIs, and it's

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a good thing that you can keep
in mind all the optimizations that you'll need

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to do on the back end to
make sure that you are sending only what

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you needed from the front front end
and and virus versa. But if you're

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also working in a team that it's
in sync, if you only have from

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front and developers and only have developers
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end as well, if the team
is in sync, I think you can

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achieve basically do the same thing.
It's just a matter how the team works,

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right. I guess what I'm wondering
too, is we run into a

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lot of cases where people feel overwhelmed
at all of the things that they have

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to keep track of and try and
learn and things like that, and so

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I'm wondering, how do you stay
up to date on all that stuff?

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I personally think that it's impossible to
know everything. It doesn't matter if you

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are only a back end developer,
only a front and developer, especially on

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the front end right now that there
are so many frameworks and so many libraries.

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What I try to do is try
I try to pick my topics,

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know things that I'm interested in and
take a look at that, maybe read

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a tutorial, watch on YouTube videos, and then if I'm really interested in

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the subject, then I try to
read a book and deep dive into the

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documentation and all that. But it's
really it's really difficult, and sometimes I

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have to pick exactly what topics that
I would like to spend more time with,

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and unfortunately I cannot spend like learn
everything that I want to. There's

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so many things out there, so
just prioritize and then deal with that.

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That makes sense. One other thing
that I'm kind of curious is we progress

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here, is at what point did
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So I was still in college,
so I've been blogging for eleven years,

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eleven twelve years. So back in
college, I used to work during

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the day and then go to my
classes at night. So that's very common

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in Brazil, especially because they know
people need to work to provide for themselves.

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So I wish to work during day
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And right after I graduated, I
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So it was something new. You
know, you spend three years of your

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life just every single day with no
vacations, working and then going to call

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it night at night, and suddenly
you have all that spare time. So

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I started playing video games and then
with a few months, I saw that

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that was becoming an issue because I
needed to do something that was more useful,

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and that's when I decided to create
a blog. And yeah, so

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my first my first post series was
about a few things that I've learned in

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my first job. So I just
decided to document what I was learning back

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then, and it kind of like
became a reference for me. So whenever

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I needed to go back, I
could go back to my blog and I

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had that particular subject or topic over
there. Right, Yeah, that's I

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did some blogging early on. I
mean, eventually I wound up doing podcasts,

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but yeah, a lot of it
back then was oh I ran into

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this problem or I got this error
things like that, and yeah, so

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I put in and here's how I
solved it, right, And sometimes it

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was for me, and sometimes I
found that that particular post was getting a

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ton of traffic because it wasn't just
me, right, it was Yeah,

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it was other people on the internet. And so it's like, oh,

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there are thousands of people that have
the same thing go on. And one

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thing that is nice that sometimes when
I still have issues, I google it

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and then I see a link It's
from my blog. So oh, I

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did that already, So I go
back to that. I already knew that,

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and now I'm gonna know it again. Yeap, very nice. So

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yeah, so how did you wind
up getting into JavaScript in I guess a

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more serious way because it sounds like
you were doing ajax and you were doing

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jQuery, which is a place that
I went through right with my career,

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but I wasn't super serious about it. I was much more serious about the

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back end technology. So when did
the front end technology start to take a

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more serious role in your career?
So when I was working in my third

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job, I started doing more full
stack development like front end and back end

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as well. And it's when I
started working with EXGS. So I started

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blogging about the XCGS. Back then, I was working for this company and

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my manager was here in the US
as well, so all the communication was

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also in English, and I felt
that I also needed to practice a little

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bit more. So that's when I
also started to blog in English. Gotcha.

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And then after that, when I
was posting all the tutorials about the

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EXGS and also Java plus EXGS,
I got an invite from Package Package Publishing

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to write a book for them.
Oh wow. And then I started taking

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things more serious on the front and
as well because I thought, I mean,

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it was something that I really liked
doing. And then suddenly I was

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getting all this marketing and attention from
the publisher and things got a little bit

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serious. So it was nice,
Right, what was your book about the

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first one was about EXGS? Four. Okay, so it was just what's

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new and then some tutorials as well
explaining how things work around the framework.

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Makes sense. Yeah, like I
said before, ext wasn't my favorite framework

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to work in, and so yeah
that said, I mean, if you

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really understood it, I'm sure you
could do some pretty terrific stuff with it.

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It was just different enough from what
I had worked in to where yeah,

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I was looking for something different.
But you know, yeah, so

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you have a book out, how
did you wind up making the transition from

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e XT over the Angular? So
when I when I used to work with

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the extra JS Sancha back then,
they also released a mobile framework, Sancha

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Touch, and I used to go
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you know, mobile development was into
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friend of mine that was also in
this conference he mentioned have you heard about

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Ionic? And Ionic back then was
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so and Ionic was using angler JS. That's when I had my first

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contact with angler JS andngler JAS was
already very popular back then. But since

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I was working with one framework,
I didn't do the transition to work with

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the more like HTML and JavaScript driven
because Sanchez. You know, it's more

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like object oriented and you basically work
only with JavaScript NOWIGML. So I looked

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up Ionic and I thought this is
really nice because was also based on Cordova,

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and it was when I started to
learn a little bit about angler JS

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as well, so I could also
do a little bit of transitioning to Ionic.

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Early in my career, I figured
out which jobs were worth working at

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and which ones weren't. Mostly by
trial and error, I created a system

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that I used to find jobs and
later contracts as a freelancer. If you're

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looking for a job or trying to
figure out where you should go next,

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then check out my book, The
Max Coder's Guide to Finding your Dream Developer

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Job. The book walks you through
figuring out what you want, vetting companies

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that meet your criteria, meeting that
company's employees, and getting them to recommend

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you for a job. Don't settle
for whoever has listed their job on the

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job board. Go out and proactively
find the job you'll love. Buy the

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book at devchat dot tv slash Job
Book. That's devchat dot tv slash o

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book. H So you were doing
Onnest, you were doing mobile development a

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little bit yeah, just some very
simple projects. I got you it was

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and that was all just for your
personal interest, personal interest. And then

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I started working as well. The
company that I used to work for,

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they had the needs as well to
do some some web development and then becoming

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like shipping to the to the stores
as well the application, right, and

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you stuck it out through Angular two. Yeah, So when they have announced

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that they were releasing a new version, it's when it hit me. Okay,

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so I have an opportunity here to
learn a new technology and since the

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beginning and then just follow all the
trends uh huh, And eventually I knew

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I was already working at my current
company. So this is my app work

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job. So the company that I'm
currently working with, they have used Angler

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JS as well. They have used
xgs but also Angler JS. So when

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they have released when Google released Angler
version two, it hit me that this

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can potentially be used here at work
as well. So I'm just gonna try

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and learn it before everyone does.
And I really fell in love with the

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framework. So it's been two or
three years now since Angler is out.

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Angler too is out. Yeah.
Nice. So you're still at the same

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company and you're still doing Angular there. Yes, now we have switched to

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Angler two two and a half years
or something, right, and you've been

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blogging about Angular this entire time,
blogging and also putting out some YouTube videos.

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So when Angler version two was announced, there was no material in Portuguese,

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only in English. And since I've
always enjoyed just creating content as well

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in putting out there, and nowadays
my main platform is YouTube, I decided

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to put out like a course,
an Angler version two plus course in Portuguese

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and go through each of the steps
like a book, but in a video

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view format. That's interesting. So
you've transitioned now from blogging to YouTube.

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Yes, I still blog sometimes,
but not as often as before. So

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what's your approach to doing YouTube videos? Then? I really I really like

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to create videos of things that I'm
learning, And as I mentioned, I

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had this idea to do this like
book format, but in video format,

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like a really long course. So
I have published one hundred and fifty videos

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on Angler on YouTube. Oh wow, and just from creating a project with

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the Angler cli to how to use
IF and G four to routing, and

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I tried to go through all the
details and then publish one short video.

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Usually maximum fifteen minutes. It's something
that really needs that long and do something

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more practical and showing how how to
do that. It's mostly edatorial, right,

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So what are you working on now? So now I am I'm trying

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since I just completed this very long
video course. It took me a little

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bit more than two years publish all
the videos. So right now I have

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a few ideas to what published next. I want to do something that is

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a little bit more like to end. There are a lot of topics that

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I didn't cover in my original series, state management with NNGRX, which is

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something that I really like as well, and a little bit more on Angler

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material. I didn't cover Anglar material
at all during the course of this is

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something that I have a few people
asking for and also in the course I

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have covered mostly Angular. It's by
itself, but you know, whenever we

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are working on a project, it's
never just Angler. It's usually Angular with

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a backhand. We need something to
connect to a database and have some business

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logic and whatnot, So planning to
covert that as well. So I'm gonna

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pick a language. It's probably gonna
be Java, since it's the one that

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I have more experienced with but nat
jas is also very interesting. So it's

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something that it's very familiar to Angler, and it's also very familiar to Spring.

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It's very the The source code looks
very like. So if you get

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a source code in SGS and a
controller class, for example, and the

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controller class written in Java Spring,
it's almost the same thing. If you

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hide the imports on the top of
the page, it's basically the same code.

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So oh interesting. I didn't realize
it was so close to Spring.

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I've heard a few people talk about
how nice it is. Since I know

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Angular, I can you know,
I can do an SGS and so it's

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interesting to hear that it's from familiar
to people who are doing Spring. That's

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really cool. So when can we
expect to see some of those videos out?

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Is that something that you're doing right
now or is it something that is

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coming soon or that's probably on the
second semester. It is he er.

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I have a few other projects.
I'm working right now on a workshop for

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a conference that I have on May, so that's consuming all my spare time

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at the moment, But after that
I'll start working on the on recording.

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I already have all the idea laid
out and the outline and stuff. But

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I just need to get my hands
on and record it and then edit and

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then publish, right. And I
find this all extremely inspiring and exciting,

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right because and one of the things
that I try to do with this show

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is just show that hey, you
know, Loyani and some of the other

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folks out there, they're human beings, right, It's not like you have

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superpowers, and so you can get
three times done as much done as anyone

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else. It's just that you're doing
it right. You're you're driven to do

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it, you're smart enough to do
it, You're you know, you explain

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things well, so you've got the
skills to do it, so you just

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do it. So let's say that
somebody else is out there and they're thinking,

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okay, you know that this sounds
like something I can actually do,

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right, This sounds approachable. You
know. I try and do the same

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thing with like podcasts, right and
just explain to people, look, this

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is you know, it's not it's
not as hard as you think it is.

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There are things to know, but
it's not impossible. Right. So

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if people are feeling like this is
something they can do, how do they

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start getting onto YouTube? And talking
about angular and doing the kinds of things

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that you're doing. What's your process
look like when I started, because people

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were asking me to create more content
after I published the books. The books

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were written in English, and then
people okay, so you are Brazilian,

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but you're publishing content in English.
There are so many content out there in

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English, and we need something more
in Portuguese. And YouTube was really growing

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back then. Okay, so let
me try a new platform. So I

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just got a software that records my
screen screenflow for max screenflow. Yep,

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I use that, and I used
the microphone that came with my iPhone,

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you know that the really Yeah,
So I didn't have any special microphone or

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things like that, so I just
started very simple. So I needed a

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software just to capture my screen,
and then something that I could record my

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voice, and I started with that. So you can start pretty simple.

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You don't need any fancy equipment,
at least for YouTube videos. Just start

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with what you have and people will
start watching your videos. Just do it

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for fun, you know. I
think it's really important that you have fun

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doing all these things, because otherwise
it can be it looks like work,

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but it shouldn't look like work.
You know, it's just you trying to

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contribute and having fun and contribute to
the community as well. I think this

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is a really nice, a really
nice thing that we have going on with

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the technology community. You know,
you have so many people posting materials and

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publishing things. You can learn a
new language for free on YouTube, and

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I think this is what it's really
nice. So if you want to just

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get started, just go to a
room, a quiet room, just prepare

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your content and record and publish over
there, and you know, start slow,

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yep, and over time, over
time. If you like it,

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then you can start investing in a
nice microphone, maybe buy a webcam,

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you know, just improve a little
bit. Uh huh makes sense. So

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yeah, it's interesting too because you're
talking about I'm putting together a course now

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on how to do podcasts because people
ask and yeah, it's like, this

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is a microphone that you already have
because it came with your iPhone, and

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it's a decent mic. It's it's
it's not the one that I would pick

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long term, but yeah, you
know, getting started, it's approachable,

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and yeah, you just get in. You talk about what you're excited about

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and talk about what you're you know
what you're doing and things like that,

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and then it grows into something else, and so yeah, it's exciting,

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and yeah, people want the content, so they'll just keep coming. So

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yeah, anyway, super exciting.
Do you have any recommendations for things for

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people to get, because developers tend
to have at least some money that they

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can spend on this. So if
somebody had a few hundred dollars to spend

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on getting kind of a starting YouTube
set up, what would you recommend that

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they pick up. I used My
first nice microphone was a Blue Eddy,

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So that's a microphone you can get
for a hundred bucks and it's a nice

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one as well. It's USB,
so you don't need any other equipment.

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Right now, I'm using one that
I'm really liking it. It's the Road

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Protest Protest or something like that with
a it's a different microphone because it's not

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USB, so it doesn't peak as
many like background sound, so it's a

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little bit nicer. I think it's
also good for podcasts looking to start a

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podcast. And I have a Scarlet
interface as well, just to connect to

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my computer, and that's basically it. It's something that I have invested on

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the last couple of years. Nice, all right, we'll get links to

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all that stuff in the show notes. In fact, if you can just

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put in the like, the brand
and the product, that would be awesome

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in the chat. We'll make sure
that we get links to those in the

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show notes. Sure, we'll do
awesome. If people want to reach out

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to you and they're thinking, Okay, I want to do this in you

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know, maybe they speak Japanese or
Italian or whatever, and they're thinking,

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okay, you know, I want
to make content for those communities or just

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in general. You know, people
are thinking about getting into YouTube. Can

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they reach out to you and ask
you questions? And if if they can,

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what's the best way to do that. Sure, I'm more active on

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Twitter, so you can d M
me on Twitter. My dms are open

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and I'll be I'm very happy to
share with you a few tips and how

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would you get started? Nice?
And what's your Twitter handle? It's at

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loyani Oh okay, you want to
spell that out for people. Okay,

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it's Loyanie l O I A N
E. Nice. All right. Well,

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I'm going to move us into picks. Is there is there anything that

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you want to shout out about or
let people know about that you're really enjoying

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these days technology related or can be
non it can be anything. So recently

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I started playing video games again,
good for you. I ran from it.

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Now I'm starting to go back and
playing Word of our Craft, something

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that I really like. It doesn't
have an end, so you can play

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whenever if you like it. It's
online. And then yeah, some people

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like it, some people don't.
And also I'm really hooked into the Mandalorian.

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Oh good show. Yeah baby,
they're so cute. Yep. How

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they managed to not have that spoiled
before it even came out, I do

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not know. They kept it a
secret. It was really really good.

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Yeah, they did a terrific job
because it's like, what's in that little

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thing? And then oh, oh
wow? And of course I understand that

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the guy that created it, he's
like, it's not Yoda. We all

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know that, but we don't know
what to call it. So anyway,

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I'm going to throw in some picks
as well. This is a pick that

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I've done on probably every other show, but this one just because of our

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recording schedule for my Angular story.
But it is the expanse and that's a

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TV series. It was started by
Sci Fi. Sci Fi canceled. It

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made me very sad. Amazon Prime
picked it up and that made me very

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happy. So they just released season
four and anyway, I'm really enjoying it.

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I think I'm like two or three
episodes in there. Yeah, it's

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they're sticking pretty close to the book. So anyway, I've enjoyed that as

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well. But I really really like
what they're doing there, so I'm going

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to pick that. The books are
also terrific, so I'll pick the Expanse

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books and then yeah, I think
I'm going to shout out about the podcasting

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course as well. It is in
pre sales right now because the course is

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not done. I'm planning on putting
up just a few videos a week,

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and I'll have office hours so that
if I don't have a video up for

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where you're stuck at yet, then
you can ask and I can just walk

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you through it on the video or
on the live call. So if you're

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interested in starting a podcast, and
yeah, it's kind of topical to our

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conversation, I'm going to go through
equipment. I'm going to go through everything,

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you know, growing it, monetizing
it, the whole nine yards.

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You can find it at podcast playbook
dot Co. And so if you go

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check that out, it'll all be
there and you can go sign up for

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the course and I'll walk you through
how we do podcasts. I'll also be

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covering because I've done solo podcast,
interview podcasts, co hosted podcasts, and

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panel podcasts, and so I'll walk
you through the process of Okay, you

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want to find a co host,
Here's how you do it. Here's how

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you set up your mic, Here's
how you use your mic. Here's how

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you find sponsors. Here's how you
grow your audience. Here are some of

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the tips and tricks to social media
and SEO. Oh, I mean it's

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not going to be comprehensive necessarily in
se O and you know, those kinds

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of things, but it'll give you
the basics so you can get stuff out

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there. So anyway, yeah,
those are those are my picks. That's

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cool. But yeah, so yeah, this has been a fun conversation.

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Thank you for coming, Thanks for
having me. Yeah, well, hopefully

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we'll have you back. Find something
to talk about, you know, beyond

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creating content and Portuguese. But yeah, I'd love to have you back on

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the show. So we'll figure that
out and until next time max out everybody.

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