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So now let's go to Ohio,
where a group is bringing God to public

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school Eli. Can you tell us
a little bit more about that, Cynthia,

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I would be delighted to guys,
gals and non binary pals. It's

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one of two known regions in the
space that is completely devoid of any and

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all reason. Ohio is in the
news today because Life Wise Academy, a

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nonprofit based in the state, is
direct quote on a mission to put God

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back in the public school day.
Operating in over three hundred school districts across

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twelve states, life Wise Academy takes
advantage of Supreme Court rulings that allow them

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to legally provide religious instruction during school
hours, including prayer, singing praise songs,

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and reciting scripture, as long as
the instruction takes place off campus.

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Critics argue that the program is bringing
religious religion directly into public schools and causing

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children who don't attend to either feel
left out or feel pressure to attend.

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This story is by Mike HIXONBAF from
NBC News on March twenty fifth, twenty

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twenty four. Oh my goodness,
well, Helen, I know that you

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got some pinions about this and I
would love to hear you expand on your

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opinions if you don't mind. Oh
I got them, I got some pagions.

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Okay, this is this is stupid
and ridiculous. I am actually very

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very upset about this because yeah,
we know that, you know, Christians

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do this like they breathe, where
they will look for loopholes in the constitution

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and in public spaces to bring their
religion to the masses. But this is

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especially insidious because it's they're coming there
to preach. And what's happening is like,

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you know, the kids are wearing
like special red T shirts and they

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go and then like during like a
class like gym that they're not getting formal

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instruction or lunch, they are swept
into a school bus taking some place special

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brought back and they have like candies
and stickers, and they're talking to their

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friends about it and if they recruit
enough of their friends, they get a

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pizza party, which so now they're
using the children to indoctrinate, which is

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disgusting, and school officials are just
letting this happen. Now. I am

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just wondering what if there was a
Muslim organization doing this or something that was

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Hindu or for goodness, the Satanic
temple, people like, you know what,

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what would happen? And it's just
a sense of this whole idea and

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like no illusions from the Skatiism was
talking about this, and now it's like,

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now we've created a situation where the
sneak just have stars and that's those

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stars are given to us by Jesus. And you're not part of the Jesus

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club. You don't get to participate. And it's that other ring that always

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happens when people think they're better than
everybody else, and kids are particularly susceptible

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to that, and it should not
be happening during school hours. Yeah,

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that was my first part of my
ranch. No, it's fine, it's

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fine. It kind of reminds me. And I'm pretty sure that LifeWise is

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going off with a scripture that out
of the mouths of babes and sucklings,

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God has ordained or perfected prey.
And it's almost saying not it's not almost,

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but it's really like, we're going
to use children to beget other children

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and let them come so that they
can go ahead and you know, participate

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in our Jesus parade. And we
are basically indoctrinating them into this whole area

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so that they can come and get
stickers and candy and things of that nature.

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Sounds very Pinocchio to me. You
remember the island where all the little

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little boys turn into donkeys? Said, that's that's what That's the imagery that

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has been invoked in my mind.
But regardless of my imagery, Jonathan,

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you actually mentioned how life Wise actually
should not be allowed to buy public schools

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to a system where non participants are
seen as social nonconformists. Can you please

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expand on that? You mute it, you mute it. I am that's

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what I do. I mean,
well, you know, the idea that

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they can even do this is rather
amazing because but the history of it's also

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amazing because this has been done since
nineteen fifty and predominantly by Jewish and Muslim

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groups that are in their local area. I know the problem with this other

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ring of other students, you know, they all wear the same T shirt.

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You know, it's like you cannot
other somebody more than you can't belong

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to my club, you know kind
of stuff. You know, we all

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know what we were as kids,
so that's really bad. But when it

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was only in a local group,
and they didn't have t shirts and they

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just disappeared for a library period or
something. Nobody noticed. It wasn't being

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shoved in the faces of everybody else, right, But they franchised this on

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their website. They have a ten
point procedure for getting this implemented in your

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school district. How to go about
recruiting people, how to go about getting

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the signatures, how about get you
know. I mean, it's like doing

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the planning meetings, doing the you
know. It's it's a whole procedure.

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There's ten steps. I'm not going
to enumerate them here. It's rather sick.

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But the founder, Joel Penton,
has developed that and its parents to

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establish a release time and that's what
this is called. And the I'm just

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going to go over what the Supreme
Court did. The ruling was in a

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nineteen fifty two US Supreme Court ruling
in the case of Zorach versus Claws held

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in held that release time did not
violate the US consultation because it did not

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amount to an establishment of In a
sixty to three decision by Scotos, and

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there are some rules that they put
in that decision must be off school property

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or government proper must be privately funded
and must have parental permission, So every

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one of the kids has to have
assigned permissions. I can just see all

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these kids, but everybody else goes, mommy, please, Yeah, exactly,

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everybody else goes, and you know
their mommy lets him do it,

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So why can't I go? And
that's the actually perfect segue because I know,

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Eli, you talked about the parent's
role when it comes to situations like

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this, Please expand about that.
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think Joe Penton justifies a program by
saying, some parents want to be able

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to tell their kids they're going to
learn about the Bible at school because the

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Bible is important to our family.
And I think this is going to be

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a controversial opinion, but fuck,
what's important to your family not only fuck

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what's important to my family too,
because we're talking about public education, and

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what's important to my family is not
necessarily what's good for the public. What's

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good for the public is being aware
of what the most accurate, complete information

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that we have about the world,
about reality, and knowing what that says

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about the biodiversity of life, about
where the universe, like how it started

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or what happened after it started to
be specific. It's important to me that

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my son learns those things because those
are the things that we have a good

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reason to believe that they are true. He's going to learn those in school,

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but not because they're important to me
or my family, but because they

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are probably true based on everything that
we know. When it comes to personal

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belief and family values, it's not
up to the school to teach that.

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That's up to you. Don't pass
the book on to somebody else to teach

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your child the myths that you want
them to believe. You do that legwork

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on your own, because if you
can't justify your own beliefs to your child,

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then you shouldn't even hold those beliefs, let alone be teaching them,

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especially to the masses. Right on, I totally concur I wish that we

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had more of that sensibility, especially
when it comes to our public school system.

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Like you're teaching kids rhythm, what
they say, reading, writing,

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and arithmetic, right, not what
Jesus did on that getting up early morning

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on Sunday, right. That that's
not your that's not your job as a

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school, and especially in public schools
where it's publicly funded where people are paying

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their taxes in order for that particular
building and teachers to be employed there.

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Helen, I'm coming to you because
one of the things that the article actually

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talked about was life wisees and I
think that we kind of touched on this

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a little bit Patriot Mobile, which
is a far right Christian cell phone company,

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and I think that they're actually even
using it in a way to be

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able to kind of organize as far
as, like you know, being able

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to not only get the funds of
resources in order for them to do these

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things, but also to possibly even
like you know, get the kids in

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the first place. Tell us a
little bit more how they actually fit into

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this whole story. So, Patriot
Mobile paid thousands and thousands of dolls for

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the life Wise movement to get started, and they're funding it. And this

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particular company has very questionable associations.
And I do want to encourage our lists,

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our viewers to go to the life
Wise website. There is a book

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that they are selling called during School
Hours to implement religious teaching during school hours

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and how to get around the laws. So I encourage people to just read

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a little bit more about that.
But let me tell you some of the

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other organizations that are aligned with Patriot
Mobile Turning Point USA. Again. I

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mentioned this before in a previous segment
segment of the Alliance Defending Freedom, Concerned

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Women for America, the NRA,
Counsel for Life, Students for Life America,

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First Liberty, Moms of America,
Moms for Liberty, Holy Ghost Ministry,

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and on on and goes or Seapack. So this is a far right

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Christian organization. This is not just
how we're gonna go into schools and we'll

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teach people, you know, teach
kids to believe in Jesus and we're so

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nice and we want them to be
have to be good, responsible sentences,

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blah blah blah. Yeah, okay, shut up. And this is this

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is the thing that these these are
not isolated incidents. These are the things

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that are going to start to spread
out more and more across the country because

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they're well funded and a lot because
the religious organizations there's a lot of tax

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loopholes and they get to churn churn
that money over and over again to push

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these agendas into schools. So please
go check out the Patriot on Mobile website

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as well. They're a lined with
some hete groups. Yeah, so,

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and they're also fighting also. I
have a point that the LifeWise it's also

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fighting for LG E, t Q
plus people to not get the same rights

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as their fellow students in schools.
So it's a problem. So yeah,

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please go educate yourself. It's and
you can get mad like me. So

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that's fine that that is the whole
intention people, if you don't learn anything

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else from the nonprofits, to please
get mad. Like Helen, there is

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definitely, guys, a blurring of
state and church boundaries. The more and

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more we actually take a look at
this story and especially how life Wise and

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Patrimobile and even some of the other
organizations that are liigned with them really are

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telling people how to get around that
whole pesky establishment cause thing. And Eli

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you even talked about how and there
was permission flips involved, and I think

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that Jonathan and Helen you talked about
it too, with parents actually participating in

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this and I say, this loosely
curriculum, Okay, does that make it

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better or no? I don't think
so. No. I think what it's

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doing is it's it's giving parents disillusion
that like okay, well you know,

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it's giving them the ammunition to go. And like when when people when they

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see people opposing this, they'll they'll
like, now defend it. Well,

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they're not doing it. They're not
forcing your student to do it. There's

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a permission, stef you don't have
to sign the permission. But it's still

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like, no, you're putting it
right there, like school, public school,

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public education should not be a vehicle
for religious education. And that's what

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they're doing in this case, whether
it's it's tax funded or or you know,

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maybe like it sounds like LifeWise is
using their own vehicle, like their

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own transportation, their own facilities,
their own resources. So it doesn't sound

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like any like tax paramonney is funding
this, but it's is it legal?

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Is it constitutional? It sounds like
technically yes, but that doesn't that it's

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just it still doesn't sit right.
I just it doesn't make it okay.

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Yeah, Jonathan, did you want
to add anything to that? As you

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are needed. You can't let me
keep turning my mic off because I'm old.

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I don't remember these things. Anyway, we do well to establish this

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type of instruction system as skeptics and
humans. The Satanic Temple might consider starting

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the same give the secular kids a
head start over their peers who are leading

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learning the Bible in science, philosophy, critical thinking lessons they already have in

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the after school Satan club. If
they expanded that a little bit, they

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could do it during hour, so
when all the other little red T shirts

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kids go do that, we could
have our black and red T shirt Satanist

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kids going off to secular school.
Secular schools are supposed to be secular.

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Sorry, kids, what they are? You don't like them? I didn't

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like school either at first. Learn
to love so. But we could take

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all the kids that LifeWise leaves mehind
and load them onto a black Satan but

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with racing flames, full moon,
with the settlement lights on the moon.

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And it's just a thought, but
I think that would be great because all

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the kids would say, I'm going
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one's got flames on it and there's
a moon on Yeah, that's cool,

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I want to go to that one. I'm all about. What about if

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the flames actually shot out of the
exhaust as they were driving off to Satan's

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school? Oh yeah, as well, you could do all of that.

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Yeahs matter of fact, I'm even
for dressing the kids in their own leather

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jackets, micro leather jackets with studs, like silver studs all over them,

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you know, with the emblem of
the Satanic Club after school club on the

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back. I think that would be
absolutely stellar. And if you're listening Organizing

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Board of the TST, because I
know you listen to the nonprofits, hint,

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hint. But as I digress,
guys, LifeWise is just really blurring

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the lines, don't sing, Cynthia, and blurring the lines between church state,

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raising serious questions about the separation of
religion and public education. It's one

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thing to teach about religion objectively in
a comparative religion class, which I'm really

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all for, but it's quite another
thing to bring religious instruction into school day,

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not even after school, during the
school day. I can even imagine

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that these particular schools, these particular
children who are leaving in the wheels on

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the bus go round and around life
wise academy school, are really missing out

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on key subjects that they are going
to need as they progress in their school

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careers. And let's not let's really
not forget the most important thing, which

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is the potential for indoctrination and kids
are impressionable, and for introducing them to

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religious teachings during their formative years could
shape their beliefs in a way that limit

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critical thinking and tolerance for verse perspective. And I'm just really curious if you

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all can just sum up some of
your thoughts when it comes to this particular

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story. Helen, I'm going to
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and then go to Jonathan. I
do would love to see the TSD fighting

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as this by doing the exact same
thing. But in the meantime, for

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the parents out there that are secular
or you know, or just think that

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maybe this shouldn't be happening in schools, that your children get to do special

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things and learn about the Bible and
get taken away to some center you know,

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and then are brought back. This
weeks of superiority at weeks of other

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ing, and it teaches children that
I am more special than you because my

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God is great and you should come
over to my team. And it doesn't

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respect the other choices as of other
parents of how they raised their children.

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So if you are a parent and
you get any sniffings about this happening in

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your school district, makes make a
stake make some noise say this is not

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what I payment taxes for, This
should not be happening on a school property,

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and then organize because that's the only
way that this type of crap is

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going to stop. And you have
to hold your school educators and officials accountable

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for when they allow these things to
happen. Eli. I remember like kind

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of trying to reconcile when I was
a kid between like what I was learning

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at school and what I was learning
at church because I didn't grow up in

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the church. And I remember like
at a certain point, I was like,

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man, I'm just not really hearing
any of this stuff at school,

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but like I hear this stuff at
school all the time, and I just

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hear that so like and it was
one of those things where like you think

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about how like, Okay, well, if something is true, you don't

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have to be reminded of it every
single Sunday. It can just be true

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and then you just remember that it
is and you can just that's the way

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it is, and it just kind
of I think that's the driving motivation behind

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this, is like we have to
like make sure we're keeping this information in

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front of kids who still have that
neuroplasticity who are still suggestible to these ideas,

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because if we wait until they're adults, if we don't, if we

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don't get this in front of this
in front of them before they have critical

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reasoning skills, they're going to critically
reason out of it, and we're going

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to lose our numbers. Indeed,
and Jonathan, school is my only thought

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at school is for learning secular and
academic thing useful for a life in an

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increasingly complex world. Teaching them weird
fantasies and Canaanite mythology as reality is not

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academic, nor conducive to learning,
nor good for the child. So I

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really would implore parents to think about
what you're actually teaching your children and whether

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that's going to help them survive in
the world in the next fifty years.

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And I think you'll find out religion
isn't going to do that in the Indeed,

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and overall, while some parents may
see the value in exposing their children

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to Bible lessons, we must ensure
that public schools remain neutral ground where all

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students, regardless of their religious beliefs, feel welcome and respect