WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:29.800 The Weird Things happened in the Weird Weird Weird wo Ao, Ladies and gentlemen, 2 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:34.320 we are very thrilled and happy to have a returning guest on the show. 3 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:36.759 Uh, this has been a lot. We were just talking about it. 4 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:39.960 This has been a lot of people's like one of their highlight episodes. 5 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:45.600 I consider this episode like a Hall of Famer. It was such a deep 6 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:50.880 dive, so interesting. It's the esoteric Mormonism episode that we did. It's 7 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:55.039 called Demonic Counters and Esoteric Mormonism, I believe, is that the title? 8 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:58.399 Yeah, okay, that's like one of y'all's favorites. It's one of my 9 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:04.359 favorites. We have returning mister Bobby McGann, so yeah, yeah, that's 10 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:08.079 perfect again. Yeah McGann all right, cool Bobby mcgahann in that house, 11 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:11.439 y'all. We got to give a shout out to Markey. He couldn't be 12 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:14.079 with us today, right, Yeah. Oh, he's busy. He got 13 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:15.560 he's got a lot going on, he's got a kid on the way, 14 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:22.680 he just got married, and it's the holidays, so I can't blame him. 15 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:26.599 He's got his hands full. Yeah, Bobby, somehow or another literally 16 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:29.959 like not even kidding here became my next door neighbor. Yeah, yeah, 17 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:36.079 several towns away. It's crazy because we had talked about even before meeting you. 18 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:38.959 I didn't even know you lived in Wilmington, but I had always wanted 19 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:41.879 to move to Wilmington, just because I don't know, it's good vibes or 20 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:45.280 whatever. And then obviously, like talking with Jeremy and stuff like that, 21 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:46.959 He's like, yo, my brother lives out in Wilmington. I was like, 22 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:49.159 well, that's even more of a reason to move out there. And 23 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:53.519 so finally it just happened. We moved out here, and we apartment searched. 24 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:57.359 We looked through I don't know ten fifteen different apartment complexes. I was 25 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:02.400 like, the nicest one, like I like it so much, and it 26 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:07.199 just so happens to be the one right next to your store. Yeah. 27 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:12.520 I can see Ryan's window from my deck and you can see your deck. 28 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:15.120 Yeah. Yeah, it was funny he moved in. I'm like, oh 29 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:17.879 cool, Yeah I know that complex, you know, because we're like the 30 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:21.919 same company, but they're like different complexes next door. So I'm like yeah, 31 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:23.439 cool, Like like, let's find out how close we are, and 32 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:29.520 we walk outside and it's like, oh my store. So I don't think 33 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:32.120 we we linked up until like a week or two after I moved here, 34 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:36.000 But like for the entire two weeks I was trying to figure out. I 35 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:38.439 was like, Okay, I know, we went to the pool over here, 36 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:40.520 and so like I know, we walked like a little ways, like 37 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:45.719 up this way, and so I honestly drove around the your your apartment complex 38 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:49.879 for like a little bit, and I was like trying to decipher which and 39 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:53.960 I could not and then you're too close to it. I was not looking 40 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:58.319 in the right direction because literally it's like right there. And then when we 41 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:02.680 yeah, yeah, so this this worked out very very Remind me again how 42 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:07.639 you and Jeremy Matt. I want to say the first time I chilled with 43 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:14.159 Jeremy was probably through team speak, probably playing World of Warcraft. Oh that 44 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.680 checks mister Pandaria. World of Warcraft. Oh wow, that's like a long 45 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:20.199 time ago. That was the first time I ever played. Wow, we 46 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:23.719 played mister Pandaria. I don't remember anything of it, but I think that's 47 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:24.599 the first time I talked to him. And then ever since then we just 48 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:27.759 had we were in like the same team speak. We were in the same 49 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:32.000 discord and don't have a mutual friend or did. Yeah, yeah, we 50 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:35.560 did, lots of them. Well, yeah, we have like a large 51 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:38.719 friend group friend group, and so Jeremy Napp is like the link between me 52 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:44.639 and your brother Jeremy. But then my my friend Alex that I grew up 53 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:47.919 with is friends with Jeremy, which it's it's all convoluted, but we apparently 54 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:51.639 all started with this kid Mitchell that we knew in high school who was friends 55 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:57.039 with Jeremy Nap and some guy named Riley, and they all kind of started 56 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:59.520 the group, and then me and Alec kind of joined in later, and 57 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:01.479 then I'm at Jeremy. Yeah, it's like you happen to live close to 58 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:04.280 us or something like that. Oh my god. You know when I when 59 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:10.479 I was first meeting your brother Blitzoe, I lived in Virginia at the time, 60 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:13.639 and then I went to Argentina obviously came back and my parents had moved 61 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:18.000 to North Carolina and then Faye Villain and Sanford or not, but like forty 62 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:21.439 five minutes away. So yeah, yeah, that was the first time I've 63 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:26.959 known Jeremy. I've known other Jeremy. I've known Alec for fifteen years or 64 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:29.879 fifteen years close to fifteen, I'd never I'd never seen any of them. 65 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:32.000 Well, I knew, I knew Alec, but Jeremy, Jeremy, you 66 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:35.920 obviously, like I'd never met any of you in person for like fifteen years, 67 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:39.839 So it was like crazy. I met Jeremy for the first hour next 68 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:43.319 door. Yeah, you know what I remember, just it must have been 69 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:46.839 like a year or two ago, Jeremy being like, dude, I'm finally 70 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:49.279 gonna was it. Did you meet him that recently or how long I met 71 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:55.199 Jeremy, Uh, for the first time, like maybe last year, that's 72 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:58.000 what, Okay, golf or something. Yeah, yeah, we played golf. 73 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:01.639 Then after that, shortly after we met your dad, I met you, 74 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:04.560 well, maybe maybe a little before last year, because I met you 75 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:08.519 around January old blast Okay, yeah, that's right, So maybe a little 76 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:11.959 bit before that, because I know I golfed with Jeremy out and wherever he 77 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:14.879 lives. I can't remember, but I went out there to golf with him, 78 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:16.120 and that was my first time I think meeting him, yeah, because 79 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:19.360 I remember him talking like a year and a half ago or so He's like, 80 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:23.079 I'm finally gonna get to meet my friend Bobby. I've been friends with 81 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:27.000 online for like fifteen years. I remember that, and now you're right there. 82 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:29.959 Yeah, and I'm ready. His brother's wedding was really cool because not 83 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:32.360 only was it a beautiful wedding, but it was like it brought more of 84 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:35.439 those people together who had never met in person. Yeah to me, Brando. 85 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:38.560 I don't know if you saw Brando while he was there, but he 86 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:42.920 was there. He was there for like twenty minutes before the event even started. 87 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:44.600 He was so well. I went to elementary school with him. Oh 88 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:46.800 yeah, no, on my whole life, you know. Yeah, still 89 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:49.759 yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really cool, very cool. Well, 90 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:54.600 last time we left off, I know that you had some like pretty crazy 91 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:58.439 stories to tell in Argentina, but just after a haws, it has it 92 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:00.519 been about a year since we put that one out. It has to have 93 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.879 been about a year. It seems like maybe even over each I'll pull it 94 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:06.240 up a year and a couple. Yeah, okay, yeah, it's been 95 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:09.879 a while, but I know where we left off. You had that that 96 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:13.839 encounter in Argentina. But I know, just us talking naturally over time, 97 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:17.399 like there there were some things that that maybe we didn't discuss Yeah, yeah, 98 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:21.279 I mean, obviously there's a lot of stories in the back pocket. 99 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:26.600 Not all of them are like paranormal type experiences, but some of them are. 100 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:29.879 And but I want to preface that, like the story that I told 101 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:33.560 last time, that's like my like my like unique story. That's like banger. 102 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:35.920 Yeah, that's my banger. That's the jaw dropper, and that we 103 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:39.879 got to give a little cliff notes version real quick. If so. We 104 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:41.879 have a lot of new lists if you want me to give the cliff notes. 105 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:43.439 So you guys want to be if you yeah, I mean it'd be 106 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:46.639 great. Okay, I'm going to do I'm going to do like a generic 107 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:49.560 like a high level overview, so level overview. If you guys want to 108 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:55.759 add in, just add in that episode of Parties. That episode came out, 109 00:06:56.279 --> 00:07:00.800 what is it July twenty seventh of twenty two. Wow, it's episode 110 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:04.759 episode fifty three, Esoteric Mormonism and Demonic Encounters. Awesome. It feels like 111 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:08.959 not that long ago to Dad, I know, I know, it's it's 112 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:12.680 insane how quickly it goes by. Yeah, it does. Okay, the 113 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:17.439 party version and the party version is so living in Argentina a lot of like 114 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:25.600 voodoo esque like bandista like stuff. We ended up running out of light or 115 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:28.920 electricity, so we didn't have electricity, so we had to buy candles. 116 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:33.079 We ended up buying some like air quotes like blessed or cursed candles and uh, 117 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:36.680 which are used in like Santuria, right, more or less, yes, 118 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:41.199 a lot of people use them for like non nefarious or like non whatever 119 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:44.759 purposes. But the ones that we had bought were the ones that come with 120 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.839 like a little prayer card that like more or less you give something to get 121 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:51.879 something. And so we had been told not to read the little like prayer 122 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:55.759 card that came with it, and someone ended up ended up doing it. 123 00:07:55.800 --> 00:08:01.079 And then something happened, like some some odd ghostly type stuff happened. So 124 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:03.480 there was this weird like dark figure that was in my room and then it 125 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:11.319 like moved from left or right and it moved into like my my like roommate's 126 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:15.439 room and it started messing with him, and so, h that's more or 127 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:18.399 less what happened. And so it was it was like a cursed like a 128 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:20.600 few days. Yeah, yeah, I want to add an insight to that, 129 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:24.000 just for anybody listening to understand, Like the power of this kind of 130 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.680 stuff and not to really not to mess with the stuff. It's like you 131 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:31.160 guys were innocent kids, Like I'm sure it's okay if I say, like 132 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:33.919 you were Mormon missionaries, huh, right on a mission, and like you 133 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.919 didn't even your your friend who read it didn't even necessarily believe, right, 134 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:41.480 he was just reading it, like, Oh, what's the worst that could 135 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:43.200 have happened? Right? Right? You know, But imagine the people who 136 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:46.559 who do believe you know what I mean, and like get involved and have 137 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:50.759 the intention to invoke something. Right. I know people who do that, 138 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:54.240 right, and you have that intensity of experience that you had. I want 139 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:56.399 to urge people to go listen to episode fifty three if you don't know the 140 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:00.639 story, because we tell it in a long you know, a long segment 141 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:03.399 there and it's crazy, dude, And like you guys had no clue what 142 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:05.919 you were even getting into, and it was more or less an accident, 143 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:09.200 right, I can only imagine. Well, we were talking about when it 144 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:13.919 was Halloween and we were going out. We had we went out to that 145 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.679 what was it satellite? We had the satellite and we were we were having 146 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:20.440 a good time, right, and uh, and we were talking about like 147 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:24.240 the effects of Halloween, and I was and this is just my like camp 148 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:26.720 of belief, but like and I never I don't want to talk in like 149 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:33.159 absolutes, but like I feel like Halloween is the time where like everyone, 150 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:39.080 whether they're like having the attention to like bring about like the the paranormal or 151 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:43.000 not, like just the the acceptance that's like, oh it's Halloween. We 152 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:46.879 can like celebrate ghosts and we can celebrate like you know, zombies and all 153 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:52.600 this stuff. Stuff that's like more occult in nature, I think makes it 154 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:56.320 more prevalent in like our realm of existence. So many people focusing on it 155 00:09:56.559 --> 00:10:00.519 or focusing on it like I And I think that's the a case in my 156 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:03.639 experience where it's like whether I believe in this like candle prayer or not, 157 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:09.279 like something exists, something's tied to it, and uh and like that gives 158 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:13.480 it at least some power in this and the people of the region, right 159 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:18.440 right, Yeah, very heavily in that regard. And so along with Halloween, 160 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:22.159 like you know, dressing up as ghost, dressing, zombie skeletons and 161 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:24.720 all that stuff. It's not nefarious, it's not evil in any in any 162 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.879 sense, but like there is that little part where it's like enough belief in 163 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:33.559 a topic or in a subject or a being or whatever does make it's like 164 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:37.440 you know, in my in my belief, it's like that makes its power 165 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:41.039 more more for sure. We I mean we we just did the Halloween episode 166 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:46.360 recently and we talked about the origins of like Sam Hayne, right, and 167 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:50.679 the origin is literally that like people would put costumes on and stuff like that 168 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:56.039 so that they could like purge the evil from their bodies and like let their 169 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:58.919 shadow out. Yeah. Yeah, and so that's kind of been a tradition 170 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:05.799 for ever. Yeah. Ever, we're talking about ancient, ancient traditions. 171 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:09.600 So like I believe exactly what you're saying. I believe that that the longer 172 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:16.039 that that tradition is upheld, like the through line of that power has remained. 173 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.320 Oh okay, So that that brings a question to my mind. It's 174 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.480 like, do you think humans now are more evil or less evil than they 175 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:26.960 were back in? Same? Sam? What was it, Sam Hay? 176 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:30.879 Do you think people are more evil now or are they more evil back then? 177 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:33.720 I think it's the same. It's complicated because I think people are inherently 178 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:37.320 good but then like the problem is we have the secret power structure at the 179 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:41.919 top trying desperately to constantly pervert us, you know what I mean, trick 180 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:46.519 our minds to be sad and nihilistic and dumb and feed us poisonous crap and 181 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:50.120 you know, And I would say that that power system has a stronger grip 182 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.159 now right than it ever has. So like they are more evil. And 183 00:11:54.200 --> 00:12:01.919 I think that by proxy, humans maybe have more potential. It's easier to 184 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:07.039 be like evil quote unquote, it's easier to give into that because society is 185 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:11.759 built on just this materialistic yeah, lifestyle. So if we take that, 186 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:15.399 okay, so I'm just gonna take it as a blank, like, yes, 187 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:18.799 people have more potential, Like potentially we are more evil. Now. 188 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:24.399 I just think in in in my opinion that through like that that ritual of 189 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:28.000 like purging the evil or purging the like the bad spirits from your body is 190 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:35.240 probably like causing the like ethereum of of of this realm to like permeate the 191 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.200 the the paranormal through I think that. I mean again, like I have 192 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:43.000 no proof of it like anything, but like I think ghosts are real. 193 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:46.080 I think I think like Bigfoot is probably real, you know, those types 194 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.720 of things. I think they allow those types of experiences to happen more due 195 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:56.120 to like urging all of this like negative energy that people have. And I 196 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:58.720 mean in my personal opinion again, like I think people are more evil nowadays. 197 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:01.159 Oh you you agree, I think they are. Yeah. I think 198 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:09.080 the potential again for like with like oppenheimerin the atom bomb is like now something 199 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:15.879 that has never been like that has never existed in human society, and now 200 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.679 that we have the potential to kill millions of people in an instant without you 201 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.720 know, really giving it much thought. I think that, yes, that 202 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:26.000 there is more potential. There's more like evil intention too, with like the 203 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:31.399 power system that is like trying to control us or trying to influence us to 204 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:35.799 think certain ways or do certain things. I think that whether we realize it 205 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.480 or not, that we are like there is a negative experience always, like 206 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:43.320 being portrayed through media, through music, through whatever it is. So we 207 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:48.639 talked about in an episode I forget the title of the episode, but it 208 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:54.320 was the one where we went deep on theosophy the ageless wisdom that yes, 209 00:13:54.840 --> 00:14:00.720 we had talked about how theosophic belief systems they believe that, like the quote 210 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:05.840 unquote anti christ was like, well world War one and two, yeah, 211 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:07.000 like yeah, And if you think about it, even with what you just 212 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:13.519 said with Oppenheimer, from World War one forward, it was like humans had 213 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:18.440 more opportunity than ever to be even right, right, and then World War 214 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.120 one happened, the Great Depression followed, I mean, the some of the 215 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:26.399 darkest times in modern history. Well not to mention like because of those wars, 216 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:30.879 millions upon millions of people died like within years, which is it was 217 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:35.039 unheard of. It. That's traumatic energy, chaotic traumatic dark energy. All 218 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:43.440 those deaths being released instantaneously into this realm. Like that's scary. So I 219 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.679 think, I think, yeah, I think we have. Sadly, we 220 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:50.799 just have access to more things, right, I think I had. I 221 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:52.799 can't speak exactly where I where I heard this, but it's like people, 222 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:56.360 oh no, Thecassic records like you have, like the uh, like the 223 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:00.360 memories are like the memory bank of like your ancestors and stuff that, And 224 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:05.879 I don't I don't think that it's entirely impossible that we carry on the evils 225 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.720 of others in the in the world. And so I think again, like 226 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:13.799 with the purging of like you know, the the sin within or like the 227 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.559 evil or negative energy. I think it's just more prevalent nowadays, and that's 228 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:20.519 why we're getting so many sightings. We're getting so many like paranormal experiences, 229 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.519 and we're getting them more on tape too. I mean, your dad throws 230 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:30.120 up like a video or two every day of just some some light being just 231 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.639 floating through the sky. So I think they are happening more frequently, and 232 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.320 I think they're being captured more. The balance is returning, because in the 233 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:39.080 world, that's what the beings told my dad. So I mean, I 234 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:41.639 mean, I like to believe, on the one hand that people are good, 235 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:45.720 but I do I do fear that you're correct that, Like I feel 236 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:48.240 like their nature people just be good. Yeah, I think that the outside 237 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:54.399 influences are making them try to be more bad. Yeah. Yeah, they're 238 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:58.720 they're convincing them that bad is not bad, right, you know what I 239 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:03.240 mean, bad is good? Like you know, I mean even with you 240 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:07.679 can just take something as simple of an example as like like fame, like 241 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:11.720 the vanity of fame, right, just something so simple and seems harmless, 242 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:15.759 right, But then a kid who looks up to someone who is very vain 243 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:21.240 and flaunts their fame and money and stuff like that will see that and be 244 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:23.159 like, Oh, that's what I have to go for. I have to 245 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:30.039 go and and the pursuit of fame and money and those like really vain things 246 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:34.720 will destroy your soul. It'll tear your soul apart. So there's there's been 247 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:40.399 two ideas that I've been thinking about a lot, And it's like, what 248 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:45.720 is like this existence? Like, what what is like our realm of existence? 249 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:49.799 And where are the other realms in comparison? And then the other idea 250 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:55.159 that I've had is uh, and they somewhat tie into each other, is 251 00:16:55.200 --> 00:17:00.440 like what is consciousness? And so I guess I'm gonna start off My question 252 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:06.039 is do you guys think that consciousness is given or do you think it's developed? 253 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:15.599 I think I think that before everything, there was one big ball or 254 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:22.680 mass of consciousness out there. We talked a lot in recent like the Spirit 255 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:26.680 Science episodes, about consciousness it's relation with energy, things like that, Like 256 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:33.160 one of the fundamentals of science is that energy can't be created or destroyed, 257 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:41.720 it's just there changed. So I think I think initially it was like given, 258 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:48.400 not necessarily like willingly it just like I don't know it was it was 259 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:53.759 distributed some way or another. And then I also believe this is just me 260 00:17:55.640 --> 00:18:02.200 that each tiny little node of consciousness has its own progression Okay, yeah, 261 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:07.799 and evolved because each little piece is trying to evolve back to the big one. 262 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.079 Okay, right, I think so too. Yeah, that's that's what 263 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:15.640 I seem to my intuition kind of tells me. I just had a thought, 264 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:18.559 and and naturally we don't have to go. I'm not trying to put 265 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:22.599 you on the spot either. It's just spontaneous thought. But and if you're 266 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:26.559 not comfortable with me saying this, we can cut it for sure. But 267 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:30.559 are you pretty comfortable with saying that, Like you're no longer practicing Mormon? 268 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:33.319 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't practice. Okay. Cool. 269 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:37.279 So the last time we hung out at my dad's house, it was the 270 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:41.599 night of your brother's wedding, right, which we hung out two nights after. 271 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:47.599 Yeah, the night of the wedding, But that was that was awesome. 272 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:51.400 But that night I think it was you who was telling me this. 273 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:53.359 This is the part that I was like, if you're not cool with me, 274 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:56.400 you know, I don't. I don't know if there might be family 275 00:18:56.440 --> 00:18:59.240 watching. I just don't know the rules if this kind of stuff is really 276 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.279 allowed to be revealed. But you were telling me some pretty cool stuff that 277 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:08.559 exists within Mormon scripture. And it was something about like how the main purpose 278 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:15.640 of life here is to keep incarnating up to become infinity. Well you elaborate, 279 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:21.279 Yeah, so there in the Mormon like belief system, there's a very 280 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:26.880 like base knowledge of like what again, Like all Christian religions always try to 281 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:29.559 answer the questions of like where did we come from? Why are we here? 282 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:33.200 Where are we going? And I want to say the generic like Christian 283 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:37.960 response, including Mormons, is like our existence here is to be good people, 284 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:44.039 be followers of Christ and like gain light and knowledge, like just just 285 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:45.759 be good people, right, try to become more christ Like, which is 286 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:49.039 like you know, an eternal being. I'd agree with that. Yeah, 287 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:52.880 it's good. It's a good practice, for sure. There is a deeper 288 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:59.440 note of doctrine in the Mormon religion where it is it's called eternal increase and 289 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:07.400 that is that and that brings another like philosophical question is like is God like 290 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:12.319 omnipotent, omniscient? Like is he perfect? Is he ever continuing? And 291 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:19.559 so the concept of eternal increases that you even after you die, there is 292 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:23.960 still progression in the like the spirit realm or whatever. And that that when 293 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:32.319 say, like you are granted into the afterlife depending on your status here in 294 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:37.680 earth life, you can go to one of three kingdoms. There's there's there's 295 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:41.799 a telestrial kingdom, a terrestrial kingdom, and I could be confusing them. 296 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:47.880 And then there's a celestial kingdom. And then there is like the celestial kingdom 297 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:52.839 is supposedly where God lives and exists. It's like the perfect realm. It's 298 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:55.880 it is the perfect realm. That is like the ideal heaven. And then 299 00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:59.720 the other two realms are like you were like somewhat good people like mid heaven 300 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:07.119 Heaven. That's good, But those three tiers exist outside of even Hell, 301 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.039 like Hell is its own place there, but there are grades of heaven. 302 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:14.599 So the celestial is the highest where you can live with God. But like 303 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:18.319 the celestial and terrestial are like mid So I don't I again, like I 304 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:22.319 can't tell you what it's like, but apparently the celestial is the highest and 305 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:27.240 even within the celestial realm, if you've completed with all your vowels as like 306 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:30.240 a member of the church or the Mormon Church rather, you know, you 307 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:34.720 were baptized, you were sealed in the temple through marriage, you completed with 308 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:37.240 all your duties. That's interesting that you just said that, I didn't know 309 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:38.960 that we can. We can. Yeah, we can talk more about it 310 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:45.359 if you'd like. But based on like your merits or like the vowels that 311 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:49.039 you've completed and stuff like that, you are granted like the opportunity of eternal 312 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:55.559 increase, which is the increasing of light and knowledge infinitely. Wow. So 313 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:59.799 and and there's a promise within like the Book of Mormon and doctrine comments that 314 00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:03.880 is we are to become like God, which is like you know, and 315 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:08.400 omnipotent being. So that's where my question is, is like is God perfect? 316 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:11.640 Never like he knows everything? Because if he is, then what is 317 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:17.640 the need for eternal increase. There's there's this cool quote from Neil Degrass Tyson 318 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:22.079 and he says God is either not all knowing, not like not omnipotent, 319 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.920 or not all good. Right, It's it's one or the other, because 320 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:33.440 like you have so much pain and turmoil and evil and just unfair, like 321 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:37.559 kids dying of cancer, like just just disgusting, awful stuff. So like 322 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:42.960 an all good God would never allow that to happen, right, I disagree. 323 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:47.799 So if he's not letting that happen, then that means he's not all 324 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:52.000 powerful, you know what I mean? I disagree. I also disagree, 325 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:55.799 Yeah, because it's like again, it's like we are experiencing these things because 326 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:57.599 we are separated from that state, you know what I mean, We're not 327 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:07.400 with God that that quote is in reference to the like Christian like monotheistic, 328 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:11.680 you know God like like you know, the the bearded guy, right like 329 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:15.240 that kind of thing. I think, I think that God is just like 330 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:18.279 all of us, you know what I mean? I don't. I don't, 331 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:22.640 I don't. Necessarily, I almost feel like the only decision God ever 332 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:30.039 made was to just split up into infinite pieces and try to experience in the 333 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:34.039 universe. Right, So if the mission is to experience all, then even 334 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:37.440 the bad things would have to be included. And then that makes me also 335 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:41.599 think the law of duality that right, you you get just as much bad 336 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:47.200 as you get good. And then I also think that trials and tribulations are 337 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:52.480 good for the growth of character. We just don't We're just not trained to 338 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:56.480 see it that way, you know. But it's like I I personally think 339 00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:03.720 that God is only perfect harmony, love and light, and that's you know, 340 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:07.519 what we're seeking to be in to connect with. But we exist here 341 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:11.559 where we are separated from that, you know what I mean. But I 342 00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:15.119 again, like I'm not going to take one camp or the other just because 343 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:19.559 I don't know, but I like to relate it to is like, you 344 00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:25.039 know, why did like fathers or mothers tell their kids to go to school 345 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:27.079 or to like you know, play us sport or whatever, even if they 346 00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:30.559 don't like it, It's for their own goods? So there is some you 347 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:34.960 know, uh, there's some notion of doing something that is hard, or 348 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.880 doing something that is you know, not necessarily fun, or possibly like you 349 00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:42.599 know, even dying, Like why would a why would you know, a 350 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:48.200 father, a parent or mother allow their child to like suffer from some ailment 351 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:52.279 if it wasn't to some end. And it's like, why would God allow 352 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:56.000 these these kids or the people in general just to die and go through all 353 00:24:56.079 --> 00:25:00.039 the suffering. Well, I would say it's probably for a learning experience. 354 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:07.079 It's there's probably some kind of conditioning for like the other realm, there's a 355 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:11.200 lesson ye to be yeaharn And like the Zen Buddhist believe that your soul like 356 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:19.799 consents to every experience that your incarnation will have, like before you even incarnate 357 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:23.839 into that being. They see like, all right, so this kid like 358 00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:29.000 lives to be like ten and then he dies. But I haven't experienced this 359 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:32.960 specific thing in a former incarnation, so maybe I need to get that experience. 360 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:36.559 Yeah yeah, Because the grand scheme of the souls is about all the 361 00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:38.240 lifetimes, not just the one we're in right now. And that's hard to 362 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:42.039 concept it's hard to conceptualize. But that's the point of awakening, is opening 363 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:45.039 up to understanding like, oh my god, I'm not just who I am 364 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.119 right now, it's that ego death right Like, I'm so much more than 365 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:52.119 just Ryan bledsoe I've lived a million lives and you have you have and you 366 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.960 have you know what was the Einstein quote from last episode which this is your 367 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:00.440 souls? Oh here, I'll read it. Yeah yeah, because it goes 368 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:06.480 right along with reincarnation. So Einstein has this quote, we are slowed down 369 00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:10.839 sound and light waves, a walking bundle of frequencies tuned into the cosmos. 370 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:15.839 We are souls dressed up in sacred biochemical garments, and our bodies are the 371 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:22.200 instruments through which our souls play their music. Interesting I like from that. 372 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:26.559 I like the words slowed down the most, Yeah, because life does seem 373 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:33.480 slowed down, especially I don't know, like everything is, whether you think 374 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:36.279 about it or not. I personally see it. Everything is monotonous, like 375 00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:40.519 everything has a pace. And I think that when we're on like that other 376 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:45.039 side, I think it's going to be like hyping infinitely faster infinitely the speed 377 00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:49.160 of light or whatever. I think it's just going to be a different lifestyle 378 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:52.880 that we can't comprehend. And so that's that's kind of where I come from, 379 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:57.680 where it's like, if God is like this perfect human being, he's 380 00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:03.359 just doing everything like he's he's doing He's been there, done that, yeah. 381 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:07.440 Yeah, And it like I think that's kind of partially true because like 382 00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:11.880 we are all God, So He's done everything through us right right now. 383 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.119 It's happening now right yes, and always and in the future too. Yeah. 384 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.119 Time is just a big old spaghetti ball. That makes me think of 385 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.400 like the flash oh, yeah, no, no, no, no, 386 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:26.279 no, think about this when the flash is like running at that speed that 387 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:32.119 I'm not a superhero's speed force when he's running it, you know, think 388 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:36.119 of that as like the afterlife or the in between, and every time he 389 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:40.400 comes to a stop or a walking pace, he's a living life and then 390 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:45.599 death rebirth slowed down living life. Yeah, you know what I mean. 391 00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.119 I'm trying to think of something else that would that would move like that, 392 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:49.839 but like that's the first thing that came up that kind of blew because I'm 393 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:53.559 looking at y'all when you said, uh, like when after we're gone, 394 00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:59.000 we'll experience things at the speed of light, Like that's kind of mind blowing 395 00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:00.960 because like, from what we know, the soul is light. Yeah, 396 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:03.920 I've never heard it said like that, but it makes sense. Yeah, 397 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.920 I mean I've seen thousands of lights, you know, like, yeah, 398 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:11.440 your soul is light, Like that makes sense, and so it moves everything. 399 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:14.000 It's kind of like DMT, right, I mean I can speak to 400 00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:17.599 that experience. It's like you get in there and it's like it took weeks 401 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:19.000 for a lot of that to come back to me because you're seeing so many 402 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:22.880 things simultaneously. All at once, so rapidly, and it's like your ear, 403 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:26.880 your eyes, your body can't handle your mind can't even handle it right 404 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:29.519 now. For weeks it was coming back to me. Yeah, yeah, 405 00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:32.240 yeah, it's the same with me. It was just like constant, like 406 00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:34.839 just little glimpses of something that happened or whatever you were catching up. Yeah, 407 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:40.559 yeah, yeah, because you're literally seeing like infinite things at once. 408 00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:44.279 It's like I could say that and people are like, yeah, right dead, 409 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:48.079 seriously, there's a reason there's all this mystique about it. It's it's 410 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:51.960 crazy, but yeah, I imagine it's like that where reality is not so 411 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:53.839 linear and it's folding in and on itself and it's rapid, and like, 412 00:28:55.359 --> 00:29:00.400 yeah, it's crazy. I'm kind of loving this, like philosophical, like 413 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.240 philosophy corner with Bobby raised, start asking us question. I know it, 414 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.240 Like I'm obsessed with this. I love it. Have you got anything else 415 00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.640 like scratching your brain? Because this is awesome. In the terms of like 416 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:17.400 consciousness, we were talking about consciousness and uh and more or less if it 417 00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:19.599 is developed or given or like whatever, And I think I think it is 418 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:23.000 developed because when you're a baby, you're not fully conscious. You do you 419 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:27.920 guys remember your first memory? My first I do? Oh think what is 420 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:30.640 it? I think it was my first birthday party. I remember being in 421 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.440 a high chair with a birthday cake and a candle and it was like happy 422 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:36.559 birthday. I don't know if it was my first or second, but I 423 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.559 feel like it was my first birthday a flash. I have a weird first 424 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:45.480 memory because I don't think I should have it as a memory. And my 425 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:49.240 mom like confirmed it. I remember, I told my mom it was like 426 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:52.599 I don't know, ten years ago or something. I was talking to my 427 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:56.160 mom and I was like, I remember when I like, I remember being 428 00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.200 a baby. I have this weird memory of being a baby, and like 429 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:04.799 the nurse was like this bigger woman with a huge mole on her face, 430 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.880 and she like slapped me on the bottom of the foot for some reason. 431 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:12.920 And I was like saying that and she was like, there's no way you 432 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:15.079 can remember that. And I was like, what do you mean. She 433 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.519 was like, that was before we took you home from the hospital, like 434 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:23.319 they were making sure you were branding, like and and so I pondered that 435 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:27.119 for such a long time. I was like, why do I remember that? 436 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:33.960 It was like a recurring dream that went into my state of like evolved 437 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:36.519 conscious. You know, if I'm a little older, maybe i'll remember it. 438 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:41.960 But like I guess I remember something from like way like that was like 439 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.279 within days of being born. Yeah, which is heard. I've heard other 440 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.279 stories. I've heard I've heard people with having memories of the womb. I 441 00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:55.880 believe that's wow, it's not that I had. I had a womb flashback 442 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:59.680 on mushrooms. Yeah you did, no way? Yeah? And then I 443 00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.039 was like reborn. It was the craziest thing ever. Really, yeah, 444 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:11.039 I want to hear about it. It was just like I took this this 445 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:15.960 dose that I thought was going to be smaller. I warned you, but 446 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.079 I was like, oh, no, big deal. But I did all 447 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.119 the proper preparation and like you know, I was good and and I just 448 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:26.839 had this like there was no stimulus, Like I didn't have the TV on, 449 00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.000 there was no music. It was just me laying on the couch and 450 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:34.160 the dog. And uh, I started hearing this this sound like this music 451 00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.880 and it was like I say, club music, but it was only because 452 00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:45.319 it was like very like consistent house music like as which like could have been 453 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.759 my own heartbeat, but like remixed by the you know. But anyway, 454 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:53.799 it was like this very like tribal like drum line like constant thing, and 455 00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:57.400 it was it wasn't it wasn't like psychosis. It was like pleasant, like 456 00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:04.720 I was jamming. And then I just started like feeling this overwhelming like sensation 457 00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:08.319 of love and I was just like laying there, just like encapsulated in love, 458 00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:12.759 like tears just streaming down. I'm not a crier, you guys. 459 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:15.880 Everybody knows that I'm a guard. I'm not. I'm just not emotional, 460 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:20.200 but that's my own problem to work through. But I'm just sitting there crying 461 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.160 and uh yeah. Then I closed my eyes and I was like I had 462 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:29.400 this like womb flashback. Everything was like wow, like just love, but 463 00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:32.920 like love and like tight and warm and and like I don't know, and 464 00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:37.400 safe and felt like you were in the womb. Yeah, totally wow. 465 00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:42.160 And then I remember like opening my eyes and like kind of coming down from 466 00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:46.319 this and then like doing everything I could to like go back to that feeling, 467 00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:51.640 and I couldn't. I couldn't get back because I'm like declining and I'm 468 00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:54.720 like just trying to recreate it over and over and yeah, it was like 469 00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:58.960 it's hard. It was a while ago, so it's hard to recall, 470 00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:04.319 but yeah, very like and then I had this very like reborn feeling, 471 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:09.880 like just kind of fresh and new and like absolved of things, like emotionally, 472 00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:14.039 it was very Uh it was. It was a very awesome day. 473 00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:17.000 So I gotta say, like, from from that story, it's like our 474 00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:22.279 our our humans naturally good. I mean it sounds like in the womb, 475 00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:25.400 it just sounds like you're just still full of that love, like that just 476 00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:30.160 pure essence of love. And then uh, and then you get out here 477 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.680 and you're like, it's well, I also start doing in traffic and you 478 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.160 start hating yah. Yeah. And I also think that has to do with 479 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:44.000 like the female like energy that's carrying you too. Yeah, Like that's a 480 00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:46.920 that's a partnership there, you know, Like that's not just like that's the 481 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:51.960 child. Yeah, that's that's pure love mother mother to child for sure. 482 00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:57.119 But that's where I was going with this was it was like, Okay, 483 00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:00.400 so my my first memory I didn't I didn't remember for the time, and 484 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:02.279 then my mom showed me a picture and then it like flooded into me. 485 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:05.799 I was like, oh, like I do remember that, and that was 486 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:07.119 like my frad. I was sitting we had we lived in a trailer park. 487 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.039 I was sitting on this couch that smelled like cigarettes, and we had 488 00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:14.840 a dog that was a Jack Russell that I don't have any recall of, 489 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.400 and I was sitting there petting him and that that is just my first memory 490 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:22.159 and the picture brought me back to that. But like my my consciousness question 491 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:27.360 is that is that it developed? I think I think that it is because 492 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.719 number one, I don't remember anything prior to that, and you know, 493 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:32.480 I was probably like a year or two years old or something like that. 494 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:37.599 And then I believe and also like higher consciousness that we can obtain that learn 495 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:44.360 that in this lifetime. And I think that God obviously has a higher consciousness 496 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.599 than everyone else. So it's like if that is obtainable, then obviously, 497 00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:53.559 like it is not given, it is learned developed like you you you work 498 00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:59.280 through yeah, through discipline, yeah yeah, and then I but also at 499 00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:01.079 the same time, it's like like with with this realm that we're in, 500 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:07.480 like I don't think that say, like the paranormal the ghosts or like the 501 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:12.239 the orbs that are that are happening. I don't think they're in this realm. 502 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.039 I think they peak through. Yeah, I think it is like higher 503 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:20.239 consciousness allows them to do that. That's what I'm That's mainly what I was 504 00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:22.920 getting exactly what they told my dad. They come from spirits like it is. 505 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:27.000 It is an earth that is just slightly transparent over top of us, 506 00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:30.599 and it's just always happening. We just don't catch it all the time or 507 00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.679 like they don't have like the maybe they have to do some type of meditation 508 00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.800 to break through to us. And it's like, so I think there are 509 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.639 just layers to the existence that we live in. It's just multifaceted up down, 510 00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:43.960 left, right, diagonal, this way that way. Yeah, I 511 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.320 think that it's just all around us and we just aren't attuned to it, 512 00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:50.760 and the majority of people aren't. To add to that, we talked about 513 00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:55.079 this on the Spirit Science episode Part two, which is gonna be the next 514 00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:58.440 episode by the way, Yeah, yeah, we are going to drop this 515 00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:00.199 from first. Yes, yes, because but we just recorded it before this 516 00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:05.119 one. Don't know how we do record multiple in a day, But anyway, 517 00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:07.719 we just talked about on that episode about the dogon tribe, you know, 518 00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:12.920 and the Dogon tribe existed five thousand years ago, they still exist today, 519 00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:19.639 and they basically are notorious because they had this extremely advanced spiritual system where 520 00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.840 they had all these like diagrams that they drew thousands of years ago of things 521 00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:28.880 that are exact replicas of what are being discovered now scientifically, like half s 522 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:34.320 been particles and things like that. And one of the things that they claimed 523 00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:42.960 all those eons ago was that what the beings told them was that basically there 524 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:47.239 exists a twin invisible spiritual dimension that's like you just described, it exists over 525 00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:50.880 top of ours. It's like the duality thing, right, Like we're in 526 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.920 the material world, there's a spirit world that's perfectly meshed over hours and a 527 00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:59.599 lot of the things that we experienced, like synchronicities or you know, animal 528 00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:01.559 running cross and it's like, oh my god, it's an omen or anything 529 00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:07.920 of that nature. It's the entities from that dimension taking that opportunity to kind 530 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:13.840 of like manipulate the physical world to interact with you personally, you know what 531 00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:15.840 I mean. Yeah, So it's like they said that there are times when 532 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:22.840 those dimensions cross where these entities can come through at a higher rate or whatever. 533 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:27.800 But like they also had this belief about there being some sort of time 534 00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:32.559 in the future where there's like an actual like external crossing of these dimensions where 535 00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:37.760 there will be a super accelerated rate of you know, passed through between them. 536 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:39.400 But yeah, it's like, I think you might be right. Like 537 00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:43.599 even the Dogon tribe was saying the same thing about how it's like you just 538 00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:45.639 said, like these entities peering through. Oh, and then the other thing 539 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:58.679 they said that this material world is the world of it's like imperfect knowledge but 540 00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:06.039 perfect action, meaning we can, you know, pick things up, we 541 00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:08.480 can do things, we can act on the material world. And then it's 542 00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:12.800 like the opposite is true according to them in the spirit world, where it's 543 00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:17.800 like perfect knowledge. They're omniscient, they're ascended to a higher state of consciousness, 544 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:22.079 their light beings, you know, but they have imperfect action because of 545 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:23.800 the rules of reality. They can't you know, they don't just walk up 546 00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:29.000 to everybody and say behold, I'm a being and i'm you know, everyone's 547 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:30.159 like, well, why why don't they just land on the president's lawn. 548 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:32.360 Well, maybe they can't do that. You know, that's gonna be frustrating. 549 00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:37.119 Maybe there's an agreement behind the scenes of reality where they have to let 550 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.079 us develop it on our own, and they could pop in every now and 551 00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:42.199 then it help us, right, you know what I mean. But it's 552 00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.079 like imperfect knowledge. We are ignorant, we're blind to the higher truth. 553 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:49.800 But we can act. We're free to act our free will, we can 554 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:53.000 do whatever we want. And then the opposite, perfect knowledge, perfect dissension 555 00:38:53.119 --> 00:39:00.880 and existence. Yet they are not free to infringe our free will and act 556 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:02.960 on our dimension. So they do. They give us signs, they give 557 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.920 us little miracles that the point of that is to rock us and be like, 558 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.079 well, have you ever noticed that the best teachers don't tell you the 559 00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:14.800 answer, They just guide you to it. Like I feel like there's some 560 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:17.079 type of like wisdom in that that. It's like they're taking some type of 561 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:22.159 like example from that realm. It's like a good teacher say, like, 562 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:25.679 you know, Jesus Christ, for example, he showed through action rather than 563 00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:30.480 the He obviously did tell us a lot of stuff, but he also showed 564 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:32.679 in metaphor. It wasn't completely laid out. You had to think about it 565 00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:36.559 a lot, You had to put it in practice to really understand it. 566 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:40.800 So I think that there is probably like some type of humility that's needed when 567 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:44.280 you get to that side. That's like you're not going to be able to 568 00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:45.960 do all all the things you want. You're going to know a lot of 569 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:49.599 stuff, but you're not going to be able to do everything you want. 570 00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:54.239 That's interesting too, because there's a passage in the Bible that talks about angels 571 00:39:54.239 --> 00:40:00.159 being envious of humans. Yeah, because there is, because humans have we 572 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:05.320 will do whatever we want. Interesting they can't do whatever they want, but 573 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:07.639 they know everything. In that line of thinking, it makes sense. You 574 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:13.440 know, Well, I'm gonna take a dark turn on this, because let's 575 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:20.880 get dark. I mean, if we're talking about that, that will get 576 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:25.079 explained here in a little bit. In terms of like having that knowledge. 577 00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:30.119 Do you think that like the negative like I don't want to say like demons, 578 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:32.159 but like the negative angels, dark angels or whatever, the like the 579 00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:38.840 fallen they also have that like concept of uh like knowledge and they still can't 580 00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:42.719 do that. But they're tricky, like they don't abide by the rules, 581 00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.559 like that's why they're there because they didn't by to buy the rules here or 582 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:50.920 whatever. But that's how they get in to So for example, it's like 583 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.039 with my past experience in the other episode, it's like, could that have 584 00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:57.960 been a dark you know, spirit or a negative spirit just trying to bend 585 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.239 the rules a little bit just to like something. And so I want to 586 00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:04.719 say, if this is the case, then yeah, like I think that 587 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:07.599 they do have a perfect knowledge, like the good angels, and that they 588 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:12.360 just bend the rules to come in and play with us or to well, 589 00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.400 yeah, or do something you know. That makes sense to me because think 590 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:21.159 about it this way, like, Okay, for instance, a very recent 591 00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:23.840 example of this, like you were just talking about where angels can send signs 592 00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:30.119 and things like that, my brother's dog just passed away. Yeah, so 593 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:32.719 sad, so sad, but that you know, they were feeling real, 594 00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.199 real down. I mean it was sudden, it was rough like the other 595 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:39.920 day. Yeah, just a couple of days ago. And the day after 596 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:46.639 the dog passed away, my brother's wife, Ashley, she sent him a 597 00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:52.000 picture of a cardinal in the exact spot that the dog used to sit all 598 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.599 the time and look in the window at her, and the cardinal was looking 599 00:41:55.639 --> 00:42:00.199 in at her. And she text Robbie and said, uh, what is 600 00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:04.199 this supposed to mean? Like? What what is the cardinals? What's the 601 00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:08.199 spiritual significance of it? Are you good? Do we need you? The 602 00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:12.840 homework? I was trying to like sniffle's side and I sart a choking, 603 00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:19.679 I'm alive, sorry about that, fellaws. So so she's like, what's 604 00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:22.119 the significance of this or whatever? I looked it up and it like could 605 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:29.559 not have been more on the nose, uh, to preface. My brother's 606 00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:32.800 daughter, my niece, she's four. She kept asking like, did did 607 00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:36.800 Chloe get to heaven? How did she make it to heaven? Did is 608 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:38.639 she in heaven? You know all this stuff. I looked up the spiritual 609 00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:44.519 significance of a of a cardinal and it's it's a sign that your loved ones 610 00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:47.119 are telling you they made it to heaven. Wow. Interesting, So that 611 00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:51.679 would yeah, that would be an example of like a little thing that that 612 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:55.280 a being on the other side could do to influence and it's not super hands 613 00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:58.559 on, but it's like a little a little thing like that. And then 614 00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:02.000 on the flip side, you think about what everybody knows about negative encounters with 615 00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:07.639 entities, with dark entities and stuff like that. They're like moving coat hangers 616 00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:13.519 to terrify. Yeah, whispers, but it's it's nothing like they don't show 617 00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:15.400 up and stab you in the gut and split you open and all it. 618 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:20.800 They're like play the guitar strings or like, uh, move the coat hangers 619 00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:23.679 and give you nightmare because that's all they because they gave you nightmares, you 620 00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:27.559 know what I'm saying. So that makes sense to me, like that they 621 00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.159 can't act, they can't do as much, so they just do what they 622 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:36.320 can. And there's examples of beautiful things being done, and there's also things 623 00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.960 where it just scares the shit out of people. So yeah, I feel 624 00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:43.800 like if it's if it's some entity on the other side that's like just steeped 625 00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.199 in darkness and it just wants to make other beings in this realm feel as 626 00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:51.519 bad as it feels, then it's gonna it's gonna do a little you know, 627 00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:53.440 act out and stuff, shake it up. I would I would say, 628 00:43:53.599 --> 00:44:00.079 yes. Uh so, I guess here's a little life update. So 629 00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:04.159 me and my girlfriend we went to New York and and it was nice. 630 00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.639 We you know, visited the Big Apple and all this stuff. But in 631 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:12.480 the in the hotel, we were staying in. There was like fortune teller 632 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.559 medium that was right in front of the like our hotel building, like she 633 00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:20.239 had her own little building or whatever, and she did my girlfriend's reading and 634 00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:25.880 immediately she was like she asked my girlfriend, She's like, who's Marcus? 635 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:30.000 And she was just like she looked at me and she was like, where 636 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:34.199 did that come from? And she was like, Marcus is going to be 637 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:37.599 needing help really soon. And this was before he was engaged, this is 638 00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:43.519 before we knew he was having a kid anything anything like that. And she 639 00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:47.239 was like, Marcus is going to be needing help very soon, so you're 640 00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:50.840 going to be, you know, tasked with helping him. And I was 641 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:52.280 like, oh, and she wasn't talking to me. She was talking to 642 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:54.880 my girlfriend. So I was like, Okay, that's really weird. And 643 00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:58.360 so that was the only like notable thing because she asked me to step out 644 00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:00.280 after that. I was like, oh, and she's like, could have 645 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:02.800 been I was picking up from him or something like that, but I feel 646 00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:06.320 like you're the one that needs to help him or something like that. And 647 00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:08.920 so not too long afterwards, you know, brother as a kid on the 648 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:13.159 way and he got married and so there was a lot of and he was 649 00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.920 job searching at the time, and so my girlfriend was also helping him with 650 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:20.559 the job search all that type of stuff, and so that that was one 651 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:23.840 thing that happened. And then when it was my turn, I did my 652 00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:28.519 reading, and the first thing that she said, she was like, you 653 00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:30.719 seem so happy. Why do you seem so dark? And I was like, 654 00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:35.199 oh, She's like, I feel like there's just some type of like 655 00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.719 presence on you, and like honest to God, like like I thought, 656 00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:42.800 like to me, I was just like you need to she was just trying 657 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:44.760 to scam me or something like that, but she was like, we need 658 00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.320 to cleanse you. You have something like very wrong with your chakras, Like 659 00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:51.039 something is very wrong. There's something attached to you. You need to get 660 00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:54.599 rid of it. And I didn't do the cleansing because it's fifteen ninety nine. 661 00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:59.519 It was the price that I could not afford. Yeah, and so 662 00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:01.320 I was like, no, I'm gonna pass. But she was very concerned 663 00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:06.039 throughout the entire reading of this like energy spirit that was like attached to me. 664 00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:08.960 And I just wanted to say, like, throughout my experience from like 665 00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:12.360 that, I had, you know, in the last episode that I talked 666 00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.679 about up until this day, Like that was a few years ago. That 667 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:17.800 was like six seven years ago, I can't remember. But ever since then, 668 00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:21.440 every time I have like a nightmare, anytime that like you know, 669 00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:24.239 I'm a little bit spooked, it's always it traumatized you. I don't know. 670 00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:28.000 Yes, obviously we talked about it in private. I was gonna ask 671 00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:30.239 you about that. Yes, like it did traumatize me. They're a handful 672 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:32.880 of things that traumatized me in Argentina, but that was one of them. 673 00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:39.079 It's like, like spiritually that traumatized me because every nightmare that I have, 674 00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:44.559 it's that figure is there. Whether I don't know if it's me imagining it 675 00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:47.039 or if it actually is present, but every time it's there, it's like 676 00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:52.079 a very very negative, dark, you know, themed dream. There's it's 677 00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:57.960 like a horror movie, like there's a lot you feel the fear. I 678 00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:02.360 feel there, tom Me, they're doing something to me, like and honest 679 00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:06.559 to God, like we're we just moved into our new apartment. Things are 680 00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:09.400 just disappearing, Like we had some tongs that we had brought in gone. 681 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:13.559 We had like it's a wooden like stirring spoon gone, like we have no 682 00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:15.559 idea where they are. And I was like, come on, like did 683 00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:16.280 you throw it away, Carly? And she's like, no, I didn't 684 00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:20.079 touch it. Now I know I didn't throw them away. So we have 685 00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:25.360 had things that are just disappearing like that's crazy, Like I that's been happening 686 00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:30.000 to me and Casey at our house, oh for real, And like other 687 00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:35.800 kind of strange lights being on that I know one turned on, like like 688 00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:37.920 a lot of weird stuff like that. Odd things do be happening, Yeah, 689 00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:44.039 odd things do. Do you do you get the feeling that maybe something's 690 00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.039 following you. It's it's always in the back of my mind. It's like 691 00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:51.559 again like I never I never tried to speak in absolute, so I don't 692 00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.840 know, but like the mystical part of me thinks that there is like some 693 00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:59.400 type of negative energy that like follows me around. Like it's always in my 694 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:02.119 dreams. I always have like terrible nightmares. I have anxiety, Like I 695 00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:07.280 get anxiety all the time. I it sounds like schitzo. But like in 696 00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:08.880 the side of my eyes sometimes I'll be like looking around and I see like 697 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:13.599 something staring at me. Again, it's it always happens. Well, I 698 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:15.440 mean, let's just let's just go ahead. And for for anybody who hasn't 699 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:20.920 heard the first episode, I mean, again, we're talking about like a 700 00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:25.880 very bone chilling encounter that you lived through, and you know, we're talking 701 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:32.199 about a town in Argentina where there's this widespread practice of you could say Santa 702 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:36.119 Ria or voodoo or whatever, dark matchic and like we haven't even gone into 703 00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:38.400 some of the other stories. I mean, my point, my point that 704 00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:42.079 I'm trying to convey to you is for anyone who might be listening and being 705 00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:45.280 like, you know, what the heck he was, he was a victim 706 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:49.920 to something that he didn't even choose to participate in. You know, you 707 00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:52.960 didn't even read the candle. It's like it's just you were just there. 708 00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:57.880 Yeah, you were just there. And like it's it's if y'all haven't seen 709 00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.480 that other episode and you want some contact deafinite. I mean, it was 710 00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.960 like a full blown demonic encounter. But you know, you said, the 711 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:07.199 mystical part in you thinks that that might be possible, that maybe it's still 712 00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:10.079 tormenting or whatever. But the mystical part in me says, we about to 713 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:14.079 clear you homeboard, I would hope. So we're about to clear you. 714 00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:17.679 Yeah, But in that regard, see what I would like to talk about 715 00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:21.599 more of the things that have like you know, jarred me. Like there 716 00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:25.880 are some things that like like real witchcraft type shit witchcraft, and like the 717 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:31.119 amount of times in Argentina that we would encounter like vood people or like and 718 00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:34.960 they're not called vood to people, they're called umbundi stuff. But like the 719 00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:37.920 amount of times that we would encounter them would be very slim. But every 720 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:42.760 time we did encounter them, they always like say like if you don't leave, 721 00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:44.519 I'll put a hex on you, or if you don't leave, I'll 722 00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:45.559 put a curse on you, or like this or that, or like you 723 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:51.400 shouldn't do this. There were a lot of a lot of negative feelings from 724 00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:54.800 them towards us, right, And so we again, like we would always 725 00:49:54.800 --> 00:50:00.079 walk around and especially in like more rural areas, there would always be like 726 00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:05.440 little like they weren't like necessarily pentagrams, but they were like diagrams drawn on 727 00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:07.320 the ground and like chalk or something like that. I don't know. And 728 00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:12.480 then we'd always see like the chicken remains or we'd see like small animal, 729 00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.320 bone remains and stuff like that. So they were everywhere. So the question 730 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:20.079 is why are there remains there? Right elaborate for the listener. So I 731 00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:24.280 never saw it happen, but there are secondhand experiences that I've heard where people 732 00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:29.119 would go out dressed in robes. They would sacrifice a chicken in a specific 733 00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:32.559 spot. I don't know for what, like pop. What I've been told 734 00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:37.400 is it's to bless like the village, or to bless like this certain plot 735 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:43.039 of neighbors or something like that. Other reasons I could not I could not 736 00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:45.760 say. I don't know, but that was what was explained to me. 737 00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:50.440 But and they would just sacrifice a chicken or you know, a small animal 738 00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:52.639 and then they would burn it or whatever. And so there was that. 739 00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:58.360 But there was another story where I was living on the coast. Dang it, 740 00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:00.920 what's the name. I can't remember the name of the town, but 741 00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:06.800 it was it was on the beach pretty much, and we weren't allowed to 742 00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:08.760 go out at night because after like nine thirty, ten thirty, that was 743 00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:12.800 like our curfew. It's like bad things happened at night. Obviously, you 744 00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.880 have to go home, come home. But some of the elders would sneak 745 00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:21.519 out and they would just you know, tour around. I don't know what 746 00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:24.199 they would do. But there was one that had told me that he was 747 00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:29.280 walking down by the beach and then he saw a group of people with a 748 00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.000 small a small boat, like a very small craft, like like a basket 749 00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:36.079 sized, and they were all in ropes, brown robes, and they were 750 00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:40.159 walking out into the into the ocean, and they lit the little like boat 751 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:43.800 on fire and they set it out to sea. And that they said that 752 00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:47.679 they had like more or less like send out this like burnt offering or whatever. 753 00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:52.239 And that's all they knew. So there were odd things happening. It 754 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:58.880 was, Yeah, there were some odd things happening everywhere. Yeah, whether 755 00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:00.920 you realize or not, it was pretty prevalent. I also had a lunch. 756 00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:06.840 I had a lunch with this lady who her husband was Mormon, but 757 00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:10.920 she herself was Umbandista. And within Umbandista, there's like two different like sects. 758 00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:14.639 There's like the bad one and there's like the good one. And so 759 00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:19.440 if you what their practice is is they allow spirits to incorporate their body and 760 00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:23.880 to like achieve like absolution or whatever they do, whatever they like didn't get 761 00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:29.440 to achieve in this life, and so that's like a tulpa more or less. 762 00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:31.400 Yeah, but they But so I asked this lady. I was like, 763 00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:35.119 have you had a spirit inside of you? And she's like, I've 764 00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:38.079 had up to three at the same time, and it's it's She's like, 765 00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:42.519 it's amazing, it's it's enjoyable. And she said, she's like, you 766 00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.039 get a baptism of like flowers and herbs and stuff like that, and they 767 00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:50.679 allow the spirit to enter you. And then she's like, sometimes I'll be 768 00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:52.960 just going to work and then the voice inside my head will be like, 769 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:57.239 I want to spend the day in the park, and I'll just ditch work 770 00:52:57.239 --> 00:52:59.360 and go spend the day in the park. Or I want to go jump 771 00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:01.760 rope, and she'll go and jump rope, and that is the spirit. 772 00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:06.039 But that's what she feels that. She's like, it's a voice in my 773 00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:07.840 head that tells me I want to do this now, and this is something 774 00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:10.880 that she has no interest in doing right right, but it's something that the 775 00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:14.840 spirit wants to do, and so she would just do that. She says 776 00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.719 it's amazing and that she she loved it and that she when it was released, 777 00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:22.760 she felt that it was released for her. It was a positive experience, 778 00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:24.480 right, But the other side of it is the negative one where you 779 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:30.159 allow the negative energies into your body, and that's the baptism of blood and 780 00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:31.599 you. So I don't know if it's like human blood or you do that. 781 00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:38.280 They do it, they do, I understand, Like from I want 782 00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:42.360 to go jump rope in the park like that. That sounds like sure, 783 00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:45.159 that sounds fun, but like it's probably a child or something. Yeah, 784 00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:47.559 Another spirit is like I want to murder, Like why would you want to 785 00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:52.519 let that? Right? Well, for gain, for power, for money, 786 00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:55.599 for for gain. There there is some type of like exchange exchange. 787 00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:00.079 It's like and I'm not saying it'still like ten paths. It's like self serving 788 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:05.079 bring me and I will serve you, you know. So again, like 789 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:07.280 I never met anyone that did the baptism of blood, but from what this 790 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:12.440 lady explained to me, it was like like not all of the negative spirits 791 00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:16.280 that people like let in want to do negative things. They don't all want 792 00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:20.760 to you know, kill and steal and stuff like that. They just want 793 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:23.000 to absolve themselves of the negative things. That they did in this life, 794 00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:27.239 so I mean, if it helps them. So a lot of a lot 795 00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:30.199 of them report that they would just go to church more like the person that 796 00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:36.880 would you know, that was normally known by this wante they want to atone, 797 00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:38.800 so they would go to like a Catholic church or whatever church was. 798 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:43.639 You know, they're of the spirits choosing and stuff like that. I don't 799 00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:45.960 and she didn't explain anything that if they wanted to do anything negative, So 800 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:51.400 I can't say, but I would imagine that there still would be some some 801 00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.320 spirits that were for sure. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's got 802 00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:59.639 to be all sides of the spectrum, right if if if we're opening the 803 00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:02.840 door saying that this stuff's going on on the other side, there's obviously still 804 00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:07.920 a spectrum there. We talked about this briefly on our Larry Burke episode for 805 00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:10.920 anybody out there that wants to hear a little bit of that conversation. But 806 00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:14.880 I cannot remember the name of the gentleman. This could have been like ten 807 00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:16.440 years ago, but my dad had a friend who was doing some sort of 808 00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:22.599 it was like a regression therapist or something, and throughout his work he started 809 00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:29.039 to notice that people had actual like spirits attached to their ara like like like, 810 00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:31.840 let's just hypothetical. You know, I don't remember the exact case scenarios, 811 00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:36.440 but the hypothetical was like I remember the context, and it was like, 812 00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:40.480 you know, someone's struggling with addiction, uh, just really suffering and 813 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:44.079 miserable and depressed. They come in, they get a regression and it's like 814 00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:47.159 there's another spirit inside of them that like died of drug use. And it's 815 00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:52.360 interesting. It's the idea of that self correct no like like latched onto him 816 00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:55.280 and making him struggle with the Oh I was thinking he was going to help 817 00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:58.280 him better. No, no, no, no, So like you know 818 00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:01.519 what, yes, yes, the spirits that have suffered, they can you 819 00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:05.960 know, when we're in these low vibrational states, these suffering negative spirits can 820 00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.280 latch onto us. And you know, someone whose alcoholic might have one of 821 00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:12.880 those spirits or whatever, and it's like the idea is that we can clear 822 00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:15.559 them. He would he would clear them from people and they would get better 823 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:19.800 through like regressions, right, you know, like he would he would speak 824 00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:23.039 to the spirit when they're in this regressed state and cleared away and they start 825 00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:25.840 recovering. And like, I think it supports what you're saying, Like I 826 00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:30.599 think I think it's real. Yeah, I would say from the lady that 827 00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:34.559 I talked to, Yes, she was very convinced of it. There were 828 00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:38.519 also a handful of individuals that I did encounter that There was just one place 829 00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:44.800 in what was it called, Oh, geez, I can't remember that. 830 00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:52.559 Oh, I can't remember Gutierres, the area of the Gutierras, And and 831 00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:57.960 I was with this guy his name was Dolgren, and and every there was 832 00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:01.440 just this one particular day, we had an appointment on one side of the 833 00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:05.599 town and then we had a dinner at the other side of the town. 834 00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:07.719 And so they get to the other side of the town, there was a 835 00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:09.159 large like ravine that we would have to cross and it was just like a 836 00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:15.719 small dirt path. And and so during the start of the day, every 837 00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:21.400 corner there was like and in Bandista, they were like doing stuff, saying 838 00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:23.400 stuff. There was this one man who was just standing on the corner and 839 00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:27.440 he kept like fidgeting, He kept like skipping jumping like, but he was 840 00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:31.119 standing still. He was just like fidgeting, jumping or whatever. And as 841 00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:36.679 we passed him, he said don't go near the water. And so we 842 00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:39.000 were just like we thought he was great. We thought he was just out 843 00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:42.440 of his mind or on drugs or something like that. So he was like, 844 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:44.840 don't go near the water, and we were like okay. And then 845 00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:46.960 he's like guys, and then we were like what. And he's just like 846 00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:50.760 a completely different voice. He's just like, don't go near the water. 847 00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:53.920 Like it was more feminine this time. And so we were like, oh, 848 00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:58.480 okay. And then like as we were as we were leaving, he 849 00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:00.599 did another like skip jumping, and then he just started screaming, don't go 850 00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:02.960 near the water. Don't go near the water, and so we just kind 851 00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:07.400 of high tailed it. Whoa. And so we're walking through the town and 852 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.480 we're like on a different section of the town. We're probably a handful of 853 00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:14.079 blocks away from this dude. And there's this this like tall, skinny dude, 854 00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:19.119 and he had dreads and he was just looking at us and his mouth 855 00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:24.519 was open, he was drooling and and so he was just like and and 856 00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:28.119 so we were just like, can we help you. As a missionary, 857 00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:30.639 you're supposed to talk to everyone. You're supposed to like preach the word to 858 00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:34.760 everyone. So this guy's like, you know, calling us over. So 859 00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:37.119 we're like, okay, let's go talk to him. And this guy's just 860 00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:38.800 staring at it. I look at his eyes, completely black, no whites, 861 00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:44.000 he had no whites in his eyes, completely black. And so we 862 00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:45.320 were just like, can we help you, do you need assistance? Like 863 00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:50.079 are you healthy? Are you okay? And he just wouldn't. He didn't 864 00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.119 say a single word, and so we were like, okay, well you 865 00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:55.679 have a nice day, and so we would just we just walked away. 866 00:58:57.079 --> 00:58:59.239 And so we go to, you know, another block, and we're talking 867 00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:01.840 to people. We're going dude followed us. He just stood on the corner 868 00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:05.360 of the block and just watched us, mouth open, still still drilling. 869 00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:07.239 We go to a different block, we go to a different block, we 870 00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:12.559 go to like hours go by, and he's still following us. He followed 871 00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:15.159 us the entire day. And then we're like, okay, well it's getting 872 00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:17.000 a little late, you know, it's getting like seven o'clock. We have 873 00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:21.519 a dinner appointment with some members of the church and so they were gonna give 874 00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:22.400 us some food. They live on the other side of town, so we 875 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:28.440 decided to high tail it. Dude is still following us the entire day. 876 00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:30.000 He didn't have anything to do. He just followed us and stared at us 877 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:35.519 all day, all day. As soon as we get to this little ravine, 878 00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:37.800 he just high tailed it. He just turned around and walked away. 879 00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:42.800 And so we were like, finally he's gone, like awesome, we don't 880 00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:45.480 have to worry about water right near the ravine, right. And so we 881 00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:52.400 start crossing this little ravine and it had been raining. We were midway through 882 00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.320 this little ravine and it's fairly long. It was probably like two blocks worth 883 00:59:55.360 --> 01:00:00.360 of like bridge or whatever downpour, and so it's like a little bit slippery. 884 01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:04.719 The MUD's getting a little slick and uh, and so we're slipping big 885 01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:07.400 gust of wind and when I say big gust of wind, I'm saying, 886 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:10.360 like, push you type of wind could have like took you off the ground, 887 01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:15.480 yeah, more or less. And so Dolgren's behind me and all I 888 01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:19.440 feel is two giant hands push me and I almost fall into the ravine like 889 01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:22.679 and it's it's probably like six feet of water and it's like sewage water. 890 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:25.320 It's not it's not normal water, it's sewage water. And so I was 891 01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:28.800 like Dogren, like what is wrong with you? Like, I get up 892 01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:30.000 and I'm like, what is wrong with you? Dude? He's like, 893 01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:32.719 what are you talking about? I was like, why did you push me? 894 01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:35.920 And we would play jokes on each other all the time. We'd like 895 01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:37.119 throw rocks at each other, like I had to sing shot we shoot each 896 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:39.840 other in the leg or something like that. We do stuff all the time, 897 01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:43.519 and so but I was like, and that was out of his character. 898 01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:44.760 So I was like, oh, dude, that's too far. And 899 01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:46.760 I was like that's yeah, too far, dude. I almost fell in 900 01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:50.800 and that kind of hurt. He's like, dude, I didn't do anything. 901 01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:53.159 You just fell. And I was just like, no, you pushed 902 01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:55.159 me. And he's like no, okay. I was like, okay, 903 01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:59.400 you walk ahead of me. He gets ahead of me, and I'm like 904 01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:01.000 trying to you know, he my balance walking in the slick mud, same 905 01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:05.159 thing, boom, another gust of wind, and he like falls on his 906 01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:07.840 hands and knees and he felt he felt no, it wasn't me. He 907 01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.199 fell and then he turned around. He's like, dude, I didn't push 908 01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:15.840 you. And I was like, I didn't push you. And so we 909 01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:17.440 got into a heated argument and so he's like, let's just leave it. 910 01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:22.400 Let's go to dinner. So we're covered in mud at dinner and the and 911 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:25.639 the family is super nice to give us food. They're asking us why we're 912 01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:29.559 covering in mud, and we just say we slipped or whatever. They're like 913 01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:31.239 okay, and they're like, guys, we can't give you right back. 914 01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:35.679 MUD's too slick. Can't get in the car. You're gonna have to walk 915 01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:38.000 home. So it's nighttime again. We have to cross the ravine again, 916 01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:44.599 no wind, no rain this time, and we're just walking by. Happens 917 01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:47.079 again no both of us. Both of us get pushed and h and so 918 01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:52.400 we were like all right, Like if we're ever going back to their house, 919 01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:55.360 we're like taking any other way. And so that was one of the 920 01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:59.239 times where I was just like, okay, something and this is this is 921 01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:01.679 one of those times I was like, something's you know, not right. 922 01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:06.079 And the guy telling you not to go near the water, and then the 923 01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:08.599 fact that the guy with the pitch black eyes got near the water and then 924 01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:15.400 left, right, there's something like on that water or like in that water, 925 01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:20.280 Like that's very weird. So weird. Yeah, that was that was 926 01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:23.000 one of the experiences, and then I think, I think I can share 927 01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:30.000 the the witch Slayer story instead of demon slayer. I'm the witch Slobby. 928 01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:36.920 So I was in the park gate with my buddy Little Field and and we 929 01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:40.280 were like honestly, so we got robbed their handful of times. We got 930 01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:44.480 held up in our apartment, which I can tell if you want, But 931 01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:49.159 everyone kind of loved us there. We both had the same birthday, he 932 01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:52.079 was me and Littlefield. We both had the same birthday. So like a 933 01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:55.719 bunch of the members were like birthday day like us, like, and they 934 01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:59.000 were ecstatic. So we got like a cake here, we got a kick 935 01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:00.239 at this family's house, and like we just had food all day. It 936 01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:07.400 was an amazing day. And and this this lady that was our like our 937 01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:10.800 apartment manager, she was also a member of the church. She came up 938 01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:15.519 to her. She's like, guys, have you have you ever seen the 939 01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:20.639 lady with like you know, the boil on her face. And we were 940 01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:22.880 like no. She's like, okay, well, she lives around the corner. 941 01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:23.639 I sometimes check on her. If you guys can check on her, 942 01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:25.599 you know, when you're out, if you're in the area, go take 943 01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:29.679 a look at her. Just to make sure she's okay. And so we're 944 01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:32.199 like okay, and and we never did. We could never find her. 945 01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:36.440 Like we we would just be in the generator, would be like, okay, 946 01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:38.119 let's pass by this one street, see if she's there. She didn't 947 01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:40.840 have a house, so we couldn't. There was no address. She just 948 01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:46.000 said she was on the street. Yeah, that's what we thought. And 949 01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:50.519 so we never saw her. And so as more of a missionary, is 950 01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:53.119 what you do sometimes is you go on like interchanges where you go with someone 951 01:03:53.159 --> 01:04:00.039 else's companion for the day. And so I got this. I got this 952 01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:04.000 companion. His name was Elder Espinosa, and he was from Mexico, and 953 01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:09.760 he had previously been in this area in now Parka, and he was he 954 01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:12.119 was like, oh, dude, I love a parque. Have you ever 955 01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:15.159 seen the Witch? And I was just like no. He's like, well, 956 01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:16.599 she lives in this area. And I was like, okay, all 957 01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:19.559 right, saying it so casually, Yeah, you ever met the witch? 958 01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:25.280 Yeah? So I was like the boil on her face and boil on her 959 01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:28.519 pant and and so I was like, no, I've never seen her. 960 01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:30.000 And so he's like, okay, well I just got to preface this, 961 01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:34.719 like, if you ever see her, don't mention my name. And I 962 01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:38.639 was like why, He's like, okay, Well, when I first met 963 01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:43.559 her, she was crouching on the ground drawing in dirt. And she was 964 01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:45.639 just drawing, and so we were, you know, she was just with 965 01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:47.920 her back towards us. So we were going to say, hey, how 966 01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:50.239 are you you want a pamphlet or you want to learn about this and that. 967 01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:57.159 So we went we went up to her. She had drawn Espinosa in 968 01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:00.800 the dirt. Wait, so you found her this, he's telling you. 969 01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:03.840 So I'm on an interchange with him and he's telling me a story when he 970 01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:06.719 was there, like a couple of months ago. He's like, don't ever 971 01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:09.880 mention my name to her because she knows my name for some reason. Yeah, 972 01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:13.079 so he like, this is a couple of months ago. He questioned, 973 01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:15.159 Yeah, did you wear name tags? We did? Okay, So 974 01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:17.800 she maybe saw his name and drew it in the dirt quite possibly, okay. 975 01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:20.920 I well, from what he said, there was no way because this 976 01:05:21.039 --> 01:05:25.639 was his first time encountering her and she had already written espinosa. So it 977 01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:29.039 was like some supernatural things. She knew his name that's what That's what he's 978 01:05:29.079 --> 01:05:31.360 saying. Okay, Yeah, he's trying to understand knowing his name right. 979 01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:35.480 And and so he went up to where I was like, can we give 980 01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:39.320 you a pamphlet? And she he looked at the ground and it said Espinosa 981 01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:43.320 written out and she turned around and she didn't say a single word. And 982 01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:45.760 they noticed the boil on her face. And when I say, boyle, 983 01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:48.320 I don't mean just like you know, like the Timmy Turner like our parents 984 01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:54.119 type boil. I'm talking about like mass, like a giant mass on her 985 01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:59.119 face. And so she turned around and she's like and it's I'll get into 986 01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:01.559 it later, but but she like turns around at him and she says, 987 01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:06.880 espieno saw and she tackles him. And so and Espinosa was he was a 988 01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:11.159 he was a karate instructor, karate instructor, or maybe he just did karate 989 01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:14.239 back in Mexico. But all he did he kicked her in the face. 990 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:17.880 He kicked her in the face. She was gonna attack him, she's attacking 991 01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:20.599 him, yeah, and he just kicked her in the face. And then 992 01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:25.280 they took off, and and so he's like, if you guys ever see 993 01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:27.199 the witch. You don't mention my name. I also kicked her in the 994 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:30.880 face. I was like, I was like, geez, like the Mormons 995 01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:34.599 are like abusing this poor lady and they're calling her the witch for some reason. 996 01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:38.400 She was trying to get him. Well yeah, but in my head, 997 01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:40.719 I was like, okay, dude, you're overreacting. You definitely like 998 01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:44.920 could have just like didn't need to kick her in the face. And so 999 01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:49.280 whatever. And so fast forward, me and Littlefield are in the park and 1000 01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:51.559 this lady just told us, you know, look out for this lady she 1001 01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:56.679 whatever her name was, people call her the witch. Whatever. So we're 1002 01:06:56.679 --> 01:07:00.199 in the area and uh, and so we go down the street that and 1003 01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:03.000 this is a couple of weeks after the lady had told us. And we 1004 01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:06.320 go down the street and there's this lady sitting on a car back to us, 1005 01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:14.159 and surrounded by her are like thirty wild dogs. Like thirty I was 1006 01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:17.000 maybe maybe I'm exactly maybe like fifteen that there were too many. That's a 1007 01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:20.440 lot of more than you can remember. Yeah, you know what I mean. 1008 01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:23.760 She had a lot of dogs, and the dogs are really common in 1009 01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:27.440 Argentina. There was always wild dogs everywhere. But she had them all congregated, 1010 01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:31.519 just like sitting around her, standing around her, just doing her familiars, 1011 01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:33.880 and and we go up to her and she had her back turned to 1012 01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:36.039 her, turned to us, and I was like, do you want a 1013 01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:41.199 pamphlet? And she turned around, big old boil on her face. I 1014 01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:44.760 was like, shut closed, weeping. She had like ooze coming out of 1015 01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:47.559 her boil and all this stuff. It was not a good It was not 1016 01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:53.400 a good Uh. It was not a good boil. I've seen some good 1017 01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:55.840 boils in my life, but that was not a good one. This was 1018 01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:59.559 a bad boy. It's the fact that she's a witch. Man like. 1019 01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:02.239 So the reason why they called her the witch is because she always had a 1020 01:08:02.239 --> 01:08:05.599 pack of dogs with her and she would always be drawing like hexagrams or like 1021 01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:11.039 little like figures in the sand. And obviously what happened with Espinosa, that 1022 01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:14.880 happened. And so she was like I've been looking for you guys, And 1023 01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:17.680 we were like why, and she's like, well, someone told me you 1024 01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:20.760 can help me, and so we were like, yeah, we can do 1025 01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:24.039 what we can. Like do you need physical assistance? Do you need like 1026 01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:27.520 monetary or like food? Do you need food or something like that she's like, 1027 01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:30.479 no, I need spiritual assistance. And so she's like, can you 1028 01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:34.079 guys give me a blessing? And we're like, okay, that's not like 1029 01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:39.760 nobody really knows that missionaries can do blessings in Argentina, Like they know very 1030 01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:43.520 vague things like we wear white shirts and ties and we talk your ear off. 1031 01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:45.560 She was like, can I have a blessing? She knew she knew 1032 01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:47.760 it, and so I don't know if someone told her that, but she 1033 01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:50.920 asked for it specifically, and we're like, yeah, what seems to be 1034 01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:54.920 the problem. She's like, this thing on my face, it doesn't go 1035 01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:56.800 away, and they need you to take it away from me. And we're 1036 01:08:56.800 --> 01:08:59.520 like, well, we probably can't make it go away, but we can 1037 01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:03.680 probably provide you with some comfort that it will get healed over time. And 1038 01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:05.600 so she was like, yeah, i'd love that. Come to my house. 1039 01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:10.239 And we're like and she was standing in front of a house and we're 1040 01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:11.840 like, is this your house? And she's like, no, that's not 1041 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:15.000 my house. I live there, and she pointed and there was like a 1042 01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:18.319 little like it wasn't like a forest, but it was like a very heavily 1043 01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:21.880 wooded area and she's like follow me. Boys, did you when she pointed, 1044 01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:24.960 did you even see a house? No? No, there's nothing, 1045 01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:28.840 no, bro, It's like she's gonna eat you. So she's like, 1046 01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:30.960 I live in there. I was like, you have a house in there. 1047 01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:31.640 She's like, yeah, I have a house in there. You've never 1048 01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:34.800 seen it. No, never, I've never read it there, I've never 1049 01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:42.079 made it. Can So we walked probably fifteen twenty minutes through like heavily wooded 1050 01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:45.800 area and this was already like I was like, she's an older woman, 1051 01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:48.439 like she there's no way she can kill us, Like we can take her. 1052 01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:54.000 We can, fright. And my companion, my companion out of littlefield 1053 01:09:54.119 --> 01:09:58.319 was like a champion wrestler. He was a football player at by U and 1054 01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:01.640 he was a champion did I say weightlifter or wrestler wrestler. So he's a 1055 01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:05.840 champion wrestler, champion weightlifter, bodybuilder and he played football and so he's very 1056 01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:09.840 big. And I was like, I was like, you can, and 1057 01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:16.640 I'll chan't and I'll bless him. I'll kick her in the face. You're 1058 01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:21.159 the spellcaster. And so we're walking for fifteen minutes and so finally like we 1059 01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:25.199 start getting in the general vicinity where it starts to like get less wooded. 1060 01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:27.760 She's like, we're almost here. We're almost here. And as we're walking 1061 01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:30.359 through it, she just has like things hung up by strings, like there's 1062 01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:34.439 like baby dolls, there's people straight up the movie which she has all types 1063 01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:39.479 of things. And she had Mormon pamphlets hung up like she had like she 1064 01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:42.319 had hung up Mormon little pamphlets. She had a bunch of stuff. She 1065 01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:44.640 had like a Bible and a tree, and she had like a little cross 1066 01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:47.600 here and there, glass, there are crystals, there was everything. She 1067 01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:50.199 had a bunch of stuff hung up and it was all around her yard. 1068 01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:55.520 And then and so we get to her house and it was just literally like 1069 01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:59.840 a handful of like ply plywood things like put together and like a tarp on 1070 01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:01.680 in the woods in the woods in the woods. And then she had a 1071 01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:06.600 mattress out front with a little blanket, yeah outside outside, and then she 1072 01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:09.840 had a blanket on top of it, and she's like we can sit here. 1073 01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:13.359 And so we sat there and we were like okay, well, usually 1074 01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:15.720 what what we do is we you know, get some information about like what 1075 01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:18.880 is like you know, what is your ailment or like whatever to give the 1076 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:25.000 blessing. So we just have some general idea and and so she's like, 1077 01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:27.479 well, I just have this like boil. I think it's cancer, Like 1078 01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:30.560 can you kise cure cancer? And I was like, I've never cured cancer 1079 01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:33.600 before, never done that before. And so she's like, this is my 1080 01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:38.439 problem, and like whatever, and I just always I always feel dark and 1081 01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:41.600 I always feel depressed and I always and I was like, okay, all 1082 01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:45.520 right, that we can go on. And and not neither of neither of 1083 01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:49.000 us had like the consecrated oil that we carry, like we're supposed to have 1084 01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:51.439 it, but we forgot it. And so we're like, okay, we 1085 01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:56.479 forgot our oil. We have to go back to get it. And so 1086 01:11:56.520 --> 01:11:58.760 she's like okay, I'll wait here. You know, you guys know how 1087 01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:00.720 to get back. So we go back, and the way home, we're 1088 01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:03.479 not feeling good. We're like this is kind of sketchy, like this doesn't 1089 01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:06.920 feel right, and and so we flipped the coin. We're like, are 1090 01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:10.199 we gonna do it? Are we just gonna ditch it? And it landed 1091 01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:14.520 heads or whatever, and we were gonna do it. And so we grabbed 1092 01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:18.399 the oil and we come back and generally, So I just give a little 1093 01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:25.359 preface to how blessings work. For typical blessings, like you put the oil 1094 01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:27.840 on people's heads and you put your hands on their head, and then it's 1095 01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:30.840 more or less a prayer. But like you're supposed to like attune yourself to 1096 01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:34.520 like the spirit or whatever, and that will guide what is said. And 1097 01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:40.920 so I've given many blessings, and the majority of them I don't speak like 1098 01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:44.960 I normally speak. I speak very fluidly. I have words to say that 1099 01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:47.960 are like pertinent. And there have been handful of times that I've said things 1100 01:12:48.199 --> 01:12:51.399 to a person that they had never mentioned that they were saying it was ailing 1101 01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:55.439 them, like I was sibling coming through something. Yeah, something was coming 1102 01:12:55.439 --> 01:12:58.840 through me. And you know that's a one off, a handful of one 1103 01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:03.000 off experiences that I, you know, I thought were really cool. And 1104 01:13:03.039 --> 01:13:06.479 so with this lady, she came back or we came back to her, 1105 01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:10.039 and so she was like, Okay, who's going to give the blessing? 1106 01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:13.600 And we were like, well, we typically ask who you want to and 1107 01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:15.039 you can choose either of us and whichever one, and she pointed to me, 1108 01:13:16.039 --> 01:13:18.880 and I was just like okay, like I guess I'm gonna do it, 1109 01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:23.840 and again like I don't have like my Spanish was not very good at 1110 01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:27.880 the time or whatever, and and so I was I had some anxiety that 1111 01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:30.039 was going to struggle and like what I was going to say. And so 1112 01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:33.319 she's like okay, ready, and so we put the oil on her head 1113 01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:38.680 and I put my hands on her head and like, I can't tell you, 1114 01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:43.399 like it wasn't physical pain, but it was like mental anguish that I 1115 01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:46.479 like felt the entire time. I was like like I was stopping myself from 1116 01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:49.079 saying the things that were coming to my head because all I could say where 1117 01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:54.079 it's just like it felt like you have a painful journey ahead of you, 1118 01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:58.359 like there is despair in front of you, like there is nothing good to 1119 01:13:58.439 --> 01:14:00.720 come. Like that is all I could That is the only thing that was 1120 01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:03.359 coming to my mind. And I wouldn't say any of it. And so 1121 01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:06.520 little Field's like it's like tapping me, like we have our hands like this 1122 01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:09.880 and his hands on top of mind. He's like tapping my hand. He's 1123 01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:14.479 like, say say something, And I could not physically say anything good. 1124 01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:16.439 And so I was all you felt was bad. All I felt was bad. 1125 01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:19.319 And so all I said was, you know, everything is going to 1126 01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:23.760 be okay. You know, all I can say was everything is going to 1127 01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:28.520 be okay. The end of your ailment is near. And that's all I 1128 01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:30.000 said. And I said that in the name of Jesus Christ. And I 1129 01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:33.520 said amen. And she's like, I do feel better. And I was 1130 01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:38.359 like, oh, that's good, because I couldn't say anything else. And 1131 01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:41.960 so boom, we're out of there, like we're like the day is over, 1132 01:14:42.119 --> 01:14:45.159 like we're not doing anything else because we just felt weird. You left 1133 01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:48.319 immediately, Yes, we left immediately afterwards. We went back to our apartment 1134 01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:53.239 and we just chilled and and so the next day, oddly enough, was 1135 01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:57.840 Sunday. Oh I'm forgetting to say this. That day was Saturday, and 1136 01:14:57.880 --> 01:15:00.840 so she said, you know, I do feel better, and we were 1137 01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:01.560 like, do you want to come to church with us tomorrow? We'll come 1138 01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:04.479 pick you up right here on this on the street where we went into the 1139 01:15:04.479 --> 01:15:08.039 woods and we can walk to church together. And she's like, yes, 1140 01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:10.039 I would love that, and so we were like, awesome, we can 1141 01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:12.520 take someone to church. Maybe she'll feel better going to church, maybe she'll 1142 01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:16.960 make some friends. Whatever. And so tomorrow The next day was Sunday, 1143 01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:20.119 and so we're like, okay, we got to get up a little bit 1144 01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:24.359 early, got to get ready. We're gonna go pick up the lady, 1145 01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:30.960 the witch. And so we go there and we stood at the corner of 1146 01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:33.439 this little like wooded area for a little while. We stood there for probably 1147 01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:38.840 ten minutes, and then we like went in. She wasn't at her house, 1148 01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:41.560 and so we were like, okay, I guess she didn't want to 1149 01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:44.960 come, which was very typical of people that said they wanted to go to 1150 01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:49.199 church. And so we just went to church. And then while we're at 1151 01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:54.920 church, our landlord or our apartment manager lady was a member. I had 1152 01:15:54.960 --> 01:15:57.560 said that earlier. She came up to us and she's like and she was 1153 01:15:57.640 --> 01:16:01.880 late for church, and she was like, elder, did you guys go 1154 01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:05.520 and talk to the witch like I said, And we're like, yeah, 1155 01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:10.760 we actually visited yesterday. She's like, okay, well, I just had 1156 01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:14.880 a strange interaction with the police. She died on the street in front of 1157 01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:18.079 your apartment building. Oh wait wait wait in front of your apartment building. 1158 01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:21.600 Uh huh h. She was was this Saturday night. It was a Sunday 1159 01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:27.439 morning. I don't know. All she said was she was late to church, 1160 01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:31.039 and we left early. So I want to say that from the time 1161 01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:36.039 that we left to the time that she our manager, got to church, 1162 01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:41.119 because she was church is three hours in Mormon church. She was gone for 1163 01:16:41.159 --> 01:16:45.319 the first two hours. They had found the witch's lady dead in front of 1164 01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:47.840 our apartment building too, So she walked did she even know you lived there? 1165 01:16:48.319 --> 01:16:51.119 So she walked to your apartment building just to die in front of your 1166 01:16:51.119 --> 01:16:57.840 building. That was freaking she died, but that was for you. Yeah, 1167 01:16:58.359 --> 01:17:00.239 and so and so I was always freaked out about that. I was 1168 01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:06.840 like, the like, not to make light of it, but yes, 1169 01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:10.920 I feel like for some reason, the only thing I could say was just 1170 01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:14.119 like, you're ending, You're ending the suffering that's happening. And then she 1171 01:17:14.680 --> 01:17:16.680 died in front of our apartment complex, and I was like, what the 1172 01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:19.880 heck, dude, Yeah, that was That was one of the utter experiences. 1173 01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:26.000 Oh, oh my god. Okay. I feel like the way that 1174 01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:30.560 my mind is like making sense of it is like, this is a person 1175 01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:39.039 who has obviously like devoted their life to dark practices, dark magic, whatever 1176 01:17:39.239 --> 01:17:45.239 whatever you want to call it. And the physical body this incarnation of this 1177 01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:54.760 soul has done so much evil and so much darkness that it was like this 1178 01:17:54.880 --> 01:18:00.720 incarnation is just not redeemable, Like this incarnation is done. We just got 1179 01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:02.640 to go to the next one and see if it works better time. And 1180 01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:08.880 it was like she was waiting for any sort of divine interference to come in 1181 01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:13.960 and just let that happen. Interesting, and she maybe even knew like my 1182 01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:16.239 thing is like why you you know what I mean, Like you ever thought 1183 01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:20.199 about that, like of all the thousands of people she's ever met throughout her 1184 01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:25.079 life, Like why did she have this freaky experience and drop dead in front 1185 01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:28.520 of your apartment? Dude? Like that's weird. Yeah, I didn't kick 1186 01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:30.800 her in the face, So maybe I was the first nicest person that he 1187 01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:34.239 just won a spiritual battle. Yeah. Well, I mean I think it's 1188 01:18:34.279 --> 01:18:39.840 all like divine, like it's already written, it's right destiny. So she 1189 01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:42.000 just saw it. No matter what, it was going to be him, 1190 01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:45.039 right, it was always going to be you, and she just she could 1191 01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:49.520 obviously see things that no one else could see. Yeah, she knew name 1192 01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:54.239 before he walked up, like the Mormon pamphlet. I think she knew you 1193 01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:58.000 I think she knew I don't think she knew you. I think she knew 1194 01:18:58.520 --> 01:19:02.039 that the end was near, because I don't think no one else did that, 1195 01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:05.239 right, Like you all were the only people that she invited to her 1196 01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:08.960 home. And then I think it happened to be you. And then I 1197 01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:13.760 also think that you channeled in that moment and peered into the future, and 1198 01:19:13.840 --> 01:19:16.720 you knew exactly what was going to happen. And so I don't think you 1199 01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:24.359 did anything except except except like channel the future, which is crazy in itself. 1200 01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:28.319 Like a part of me, like the fantastical part of me, wants 1201 01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:31.399 to say that like some like I like, I want to say that there 1202 01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:35.680 is some type of like leash or tether when you are like going on in 1203 01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:42.039 like the spiritual like practices that like in the case for like entities that latch 1204 01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:45.359 onto people. And I want to say that, like something was negative that 1205 01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:48.279 was attached onto her, and I possibly just broke the tether and that time 1206 01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:51.880 and that allowed her just to like to move on, to move on. 1207 01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:56.319 Yeah, that's a good way to put it. I don't again, Yeah, 1208 01:19:56.960 --> 01:19:59.920 oh that's what it seems like. Yeah, I mean that's it. 1209 01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:03.319 She was obviously you Bless the wis a very tortured soul living on a mattress 1210 01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:06.720 in the plywood hut in the woods with all this shit hanging on the tree, 1211 01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:10.640 talking about like Curson and trying to tackle I mean, she's she's messed 1212 01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:15.520 up, man. She was crazy from all the probably spirits. I mean, 1213 01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:16.479 I'm serious. I don't know. I again, I like, I 1214 01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:20.039 don't know anything about this lady other than that she would know people's names. 1215 01:20:20.039 --> 01:20:24.640 She would always dray those things. So I'm sure she was heavily into the 1216 01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:28.880 darker side of the occult. Unfortunately, just through being in our situation where 1217 01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:31.119 we're knowing about to the greater public, you know, with our little ufoks 1218 01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:33.800 or whatever, Like, I haven't met people like that that. I'm like, 1219 01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:36.279 there is something else behind those eyes, right, and it's a very 1220 01:20:36.359 --> 01:20:41.680 uncomfortable feeling, but it's very noticeable sometimes, yes, like yeah, and 1221 01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:45.640 there's just like especially if you're sensitive to energy. Look that motherfucker right there. 1222 01:20:45.640 --> 01:20:49.840 He's scary. There's people that are just like sensitive to energy. There 1223 01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:58.920 was this there's this like beer and wine store in Fayetteville Scherise. You know, 1224 01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:00.640 I haven't heard of it. It was it's been around for like thirty 1225 01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:05.159 years. It just closed during COVID. But the owner, Sharie, she 1226 01:21:05.239 --> 01:21:10.840 was like very into witchcraft, like very everything. There's all kind of spiritual 1227 01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:13.680 stuff in there, you know whatever. And I had this youth pastor. 1228 01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:15.880 My youth pastor is a kid. His name was Joel, and he's like 1229 01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:20.720 super devout, like like a kind person like but like super knowledgeable, like 1230 01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:26.880 a real, you know, dedicated spiritual man. And he said the first 1231 01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:29.840 time he ever walked in there, she like stopped what she was doing and 1232 01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:32.039 looked at him, and she was like, uh, what did she say? 1233 01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:34.800 Exactly? You know what's funny, man, I was thinking about this 1234 01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:38.560 story in my head when he started telling them. You remember this. Yes, 1235 01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:43.760 she said something to him like like she recognized that he was a Christian, 1236 01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:47.880 Yeah, she said, she said, there's there's there's something strong surrounding 1237 01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:53.000 you. There's something very strong surrounding you. And and she said, uh, 1238 01:21:53.439 --> 01:21:59.039 she said something vague to the effect of like is he with you or 1239 01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:04.800 like something along those lines, and Joel said Jesus, and like she was 1240 01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:11.279 like kind of like yeah, and he was like yes, ma'am. And 1241 01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:17.079 she was like, Okay, I kindly I have to ask you to leave. 1242 01:22:17.479 --> 01:22:20.640 Really, the thing that's important to mention about this guy is you would 1243 01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:23.960 look at this man and you would not think he's some spiritual dude. I 1244 01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:27.319 mean, like not not stereotyping. I'm just being for real. Like you 1245 01:22:27.359 --> 01:22:30.720 could say he had gauges all over, piercings, hella tattoos, he looked 1246 01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:33.119 like a death metal head because he was Yeah, yeah, he didn't look 1247 01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:38.199 like a pastor, but yeah that Yeah, you'd look at him and be 1248 01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:43.640 like, you know, the typical person would be right, but he really 1249 01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:46.359 wasn't. He was one look at him and was like with you. That 1250 01:22:46.439 --> 01:22:50.520 makes you think of the what's the quote, the armor of God. Yeah, 1251 01:22:54.319 --> 01:22:58.920 dude dances. I love that man. I love him God bless Yeah, 1252 01:22:58.920 --> 01:23:00.920 he's awesome. I love he's awesome. But I don't know. It's 1253 01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:08.079 like some people are just hyper sensitive and and whether that's through practice or whether 1254 01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:12.920 it's like some kind of natural thing. I feel like that woman she just 1255 01:23:13.119 --> 01:23:16.399 saw it all. She saw everything, and like she was tapped fully in 1256 01:23:16.640 --> 01:23:20.479 and she gave away her humanity to be a vessel to those spirits. So 1257 01:23:20.520 --> 01:23:25.439 it's like, you know, she she probably had knowledge that we don't have 1258 01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:27.520 yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, that's what I'm yes, 1259 01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:30.159 yes, right, but like I don't think she had any like humanity left 1260 01:23:30.319 --> 01:23:33.920 left. Yeah, it was over and she it was it was it was 1261 01:23:34.359 --> 01:23:39.640 it was deforming her body, dude, like very what could have been? 1262 01:23:40.600 --> 01:23:44.600 Well, that's the four about witches is they grow those boils and warts and 1263 01:23:44.600 --> 01:23:48.520 stuff from all the black magic. Yeah, they manifest themselves physically through through 1264 01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:54.319 ailment. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's a that's like a textbook witch. 1265 01:23:54.359 --> 01:23:57.479 She lived in a hut in the woods, literally following me to my 1266 01:23:57.560 --> 01:24:00.800 house in the woods like hansel Li Gretel and had Effige. She's hanging from 1267 01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:04.760 trees and and like we literally the last time he was here was well maybe 1268 01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:08.960 not technically was that the Halloween acon? I think so the last time Yeah, 1269 01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:10.399 yeah, no, it had to be. Yeah, it had to 1270 01:24:10.439 --> 01:24:13.159 because we recorded the Halloween episode weeks before that. Okay, yeah, the 1271 01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:15.079 last time he was here. We just watched Blair Witch Project, oh really 1272 01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:19.359 for their first time. And it's dude, it's literally like in the woods. 1273 01:24:19.960 --> 01:24:24.560 FG's hanging in the trees the little Stone mountains and like, I know 1274 01:24:24.600 --> 01:24:27.079 it sounds like I'm making this up, like it does sound like it's blair 1275 01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:28.760 Witch, but I promise you, like, no, no, no, 1276 01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:31.720 I think blair Witch is getting them from real Yeah that's what I'm saying. 1277 01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:36.920 Ye, yeah, I would agree. There's a reason that there's thousands of 1278 01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:43.359 years of folklore about witches and they're all the same, like it's always the 1279 01:24:43.399 --> 01:24:46.159 same stuff. Then you just happened to meet a woman that everybody calls the 1280 01:24:46.199 --> 01:24:50.039 witch, and it's like textbook Well she knew the dude's name and like all 1281 01:24:50.079 --> 01:24:54.600 of the man like and I don't want to say that it was like anything 1282 01:24:54.640 --> 01:24:58.960 that I did. Uh, Obviously, like I was like the vessel of 1283 01:24:59.079 --> 01:25:02.640 which things happen happened, But like I don't necessarily think that the power came 1284 01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:10.479 from my ability. I think every human being, whoever, from whatever religious 1285 01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:15.279 background or spiritual background, could have been that that right total at the end 1286 01:25:15.279 --> 01:25:18.520 of the day, the way I see it is like people out there have 1287 01:25:18.560 --> 01:25:21.560 their opinions on Mormonism, and obviously you're not a part of it anymore. 1288 01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:25.840 So there's a part of you that says, I don't one hundred percent commit 1289 01:25:25.880 --> 01:25:28.880 to this anymore. We can argue all day, is it right, is 1290 01:25:28.920 --> 01:25:30.039 it wrong? Is Christianity, right, is it wrong? It doesn't matter, 1291 01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:32.920 because at the end of the day, what does matter is the individual 1292 01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:36.159 being who believes that it's real, believes that it's right, and has that 1293 01:25:36.279 --> 01:25:41.600 genuine desire to serve God. And you had that right. You had that 1294 01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:45.760 mindset, I serve God. I am a part of this light. You 1295 01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:48.000 had the intention to spread that light. For sure. Doesn't matter if every 1296 01:25:48.039 --> 01:25:53.000 Mormon practice was right or wrong, because you had that intention and it was 1297 01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:56.880 using you. Because at the end of the day, I personally believe God 1298 01:25:56.960 --> 01:26:00.600 is bigger than any practice. God can see. You know, maybe maybe 1299 01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:03.119 you're a part of this practice that you know doesn't have every little part right, 1300 01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:08.039 But like I see what you mean, I see what you feel, 1301 01:26:08.039 --> 01:26:11.359 and I see what you're trying to do. Right, I'm gonna use you 1302 01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:13.800 or I'm going to be a part of you. For sure, you're trying. 1303 01:26:14.279 --> 01:26:16.520 I agree. So I do think that that light was with you? 1304 01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:20.079 Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, truly for sure it still is. 1305 01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:25.359 Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, It's like it's like the other encounter, 1306 01:26:25.439 --> 01:26:28.560 you just happened to be there. There were there are a very few 1307 01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:31.039 coincidental experiences. Yeah, yeah, well there's a couple more things I want 1308 01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:33.399 to hit and then we can wrap. Yeah, you told me this story 1309 01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:38.319 several weeks ago the drums, So yes, it's a little bit of a 1310 01:26:38.319 --> 01:26:44.199 shorter one, but it's super fascinating there. I also have another story, 1311 01:26:44.359 --> 01:26:47.199 yeah, that I'd like to touch on too. Yeah, it just again 1312 01:26:47.239 --> 01:26:51.439 it's all happened, since it all happens like very conveniently, but like for 1313 01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:55.000 for the one that you're talking about that with the drums, we had gone 1314 01:26:55.039 --> 01:27:00.359 to this this girl's house and it was fairly late in night, so we 1315 01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:01.439 were like, can we come in? And she's like, actually, know, 1316 01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:03.880 on's something we had to rule as missionaries that we're not allowed to enter 1317 01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:09.079 the home of like a single female just because we're two males and we just 1318 01:27:09.119 --> 01:27:12.680 don't want to disrupt anything like that or like cause any trouble. So we're 1319 01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:15.359 like, okay, well your dad's not home, so we can't come in. 1320 01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:17.319 She's like, okay, well, you know, we can plan another 1321 01:27:17.319 --> 01:27:20.920 time when my dad's home and whatever, and so that was cool, and 1322 01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:26.760 so we just decided to walk around in the block and it was getting late 1323 01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:30.960 and so we just decided to you know, talk to whoever we could but 1324 01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:31.920 he was getting late. We didn't want to disturb people too much, so 1325 01:27:31.960 --> 01:27:34.560 we just started to head home. But like, right in front of the 1326 01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:38.479 girl's house that we had gone to, we passed by your house again. 1327 01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:43.359 In front of her house was it was. It was like a rentable area. 1328 01:27:43.399 --> 01:27:45.159 It was like a little facility that people could have. It was like 1329 01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:47.920 a communal area that people could rent out. Oh yeah, but he was 1330 01:27:47.960 --> 01:27:51.720 in closed. Yeah, for events for you know, weddings or whatever. 1331 01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:59.279 But this Umbandista, this voodoo practicing religion would frequently rent it out on the 1332 01:27:59.319 --> 01:28:05.680 weekends. And so like so how how we knew is because there were windows. 1333 01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:09.279 There were very slim windows that we could see in, and we could 1334 01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:12.439 just see people gathering around there with big old drums and whatever. And we 1335 01:28:12.680 --> 01:28:15.640 that's all we saw for the time being. But we started walking away because 1336 01:28:15.640 --> 01:28:17.239 it was getting dark, and all we hear is the drums started, and 1337 01:28:19.039 --> 01:28:25.399 we're like, oh oh. I was like, oh, that sounds cool, 1338 01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:30.880 and and so that was that was mainly the majority of it. I 1339 01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:35.039 was like, that sounds really cool, and so whatever. A few days 1340 01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:38.960 go by and I'm talking to a different elder that we had like a little 1341 01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:43.119 reunion, and there was this one elder smith who he had he had gone 1342 01:28:43.159 --> 01:28:47.079 to Africa as well, and they said that they also have similar like practices 1343 01:28:47.079 --> 01:28:49.159 with drums or whatever. And he said, he was like, you got 1344 01:28:49.159 --> 01:28:53.479 to be careful with the drums because I too, because they do have a 1345 01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:57.479 certain line knowing people who have experienced the drums. Oh yeah, so he 1346 01:28:57.600 --> 01:28:59.800 what this guy told me, He was like, be careful. When I 1347 01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:01.239 was in Africa, they said if you hear drums at night, not to 1348 01:29:01.279 --> 01:29:04.760 go out. They're very enticing. They you know, they're it gets you 1349 01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:06.920 in a trance. Yeah, And so I was like, okay, well, 1350 01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:10.960 like I didn't think anything of it. Again, like very ignorant. 1351 01:29:11.399 --> 01:29:13.479 And you know, we're out in the same area. We go back to 1352 01:29:13.520 --> 01:29:16.479 this girl's house again like that's not home, and so we're like, okay, 1353 01:29:16.520 --> 01:29:19.800 we'll just walk around in the area and we start heading back home again 1354 01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:26.760 and again like they're there, drums are immediate and so like I'm just hearing 1355 01:29:26.760 --> 01:29:29.439 the drums and I'm like, you just want to go check it out, 1356 01:29:29.640 --> 01:29:30.760 Like I'm just talking about it. I'm like, you just want to go 1357 01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:32.520 check it out. So we like, you know, kind of like dance 1358 01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:35.399 around. The doors were closed, so we couldn't really get in, and 1359 01:29:35.479 --> 01:29:38.079 we're like, no, I don't know, like we got to get home, 1360 01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:42.119 and and so we're just walking home and we just keep hearing the drums 1361 01:29:42.119 --> 01:29:44.560 and every time I'm just looking back, and I just had this insane feeling. 1362 01:29:44.640 --> 01:29:47.119 I was like, dude, I want to go see what's going on. 1363 01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:51.319 I like, I just had this compulsion to just keep going back. 1364 01:29:51.760 --> 01:29:55.680 And then like throughout the rest of the night, I'm sleeping in bed, 1365 01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:58.279 like I just hear the drums. I'm like if it was kind of like 1366 01:29:58.359 --> 01:30:01.680 Jamanji, like you know the Jamanji drum, Yeah, like get very tribal. 1367 01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:03.840 Yeah, And I was just like, oh my goodness, Like it 1368 01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:09.960 just like I could not control myself from like thinking of being there like like 1369 01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:12.520 Jamanji. It was. It was just like I like, I wish I 1370 01:30:12.520 --> 01:30:14.800 could be in there. And still to this day, like I hear those 1371 01:30:14.800 --> 01:30:16.479 type of like rhythmic drums, I'm like, it brings me back to that 1372 01:30:16.520 --> 01:30:18.640 exact moment where I'm like, that was the strongest I ever felt that. 1373 01:30:18.680 --> 01:30:21.000 I was like, I just want to be in there, like I could 1374 01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:25.000 have brust down the doors and gone in there if I really had the gumption 1375 01:30:25.159 --> 01:30:28.840 too. But that was the that was the moment where I was just like, 1376 01:30:28.920 --> 01:30:30.760 that was something I could not explain it, and it was like physically 1377 01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:35.760 I could not control myself. I've seen videos in Africa of like drum circles 1378 01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:40.119 where they would do magical acts like eat fire and put it in their eyeballs 1379 01:30:40.159 --> 01:30:42.840 and stuff, and they weren't harmed because it's this guy John Alexander, who 1380 01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:45.960 Colonel John Alexander, who he's you know, he's very He's rights in my 1381 01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:47.319 dad's book and he's written about my dad and his book. He was on 1382 01:30:47.359 --> 01:30:50.479 the History Channel with us. He's just very He's he's like the guy for 1383 01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:54.560 the United States government who for the last fifty years, behind the scenes, 1384 01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:57.560 has been in charge of studying the paranormal. So he's gone literally all over 1385 01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:00.119 the world to even like remote locations one hundred miles out in the wilderness of 1386 01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:04.359 Mongolia, just for this specific day in the year where the Mongolian reindeer shaman 1387 01:31:04.399 --> 01:31:09.079 would do these like interesting shamanic rituals and stuff. He's like he's going to 1388 01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:13.319 observe them in person. He's like backpacking, swimming, our Great White Sharks. 1389 01:31:13.359 --> 01:31:15.439 Like he's just doing the craziest stuff. Dude. He's like a real 1390 01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:16.880 life Indiana Jones. And he came to our house for the first time in 1391 01:31:16.880 --> 01:31:20.760 twenty fifteen, and he had all these videos about. He showed us the 1392 01:31:20.760 --> 01:31:24.800 Mongolian reindeer shaman when he and his wife were there in person, and he 1393 01:31:24.840 --> 01:31:27.920 showed us that they would just do this rhythmic drumming in Africa. And I 1394 01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:29.920 have to say, I've been a drummer in my whole life, No, 1395 01:31:30.079 --> 01:31:31.880 since I was sixteen, not my whole life, and I had never heard 1396 01:31:31.960 --> 01:31:35.840 drumming like that. It's it's very distinct, it's very it's very I can't 1397 01:31:35.840 --> 01:31:39.600 feel it. You feel it, yeah, inside you. And while he 1398 01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:43.920 was showing us this video that he captured in his research, I'm talking like 1399 01:31:43.960 --> 01:31:45.800 he's standing there in the footage with all these people and they're all around him 1400 01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:49.159 and they're like dancing around with fire and they're eating it and they're not harmed. 1401 01:31:49.520 --> 01:31:54.680 They're doing these weird miracles and there's people in a circle around this bonfire 1402 01:31:54.680 --> 01:31:59.640 and they're do and they have they'll have other people. It's like marching band 1403 01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:02.279 where they have different drums and they'll inflect up. It's like do do do 1404 01:32:02.319 --> 01:32:06.600 do do do? Yeah, it's like it's rhythmic, it's musical. It 1405 01:32:06.640 --> 01:32:11.079 sounds insane. Dude. They have all these different pitches that they're playing at 1406 01:32:11.079 --> 01:32:14.600 the right point and he's explaining how it just gets you into this trance state 1407 01:32:14.640 --> 01:32:16.760 of mind where they can do these incredible feats. Like literally, dude, 1408 01:32:16.760 --> 01:32:20.039 they're putting fire in their eyeballs like this, and they saw the video. 1409 01:32:20.399 --> 01:32:24.359 They weren't burning nothing. They're putting it in their mouths. Oh my gosh. 1410 01:32:24.439 --> 01:32:28.159 This is something that I know almost nothing about. Like I've always known. 1411 01:32:28.520 --> 01:32:30.600 I always heard people like drum circles, it's the spiritual thing, blah 1412 01:32:30.640 --> 01:32:35.720 blah blah whatever. I don't know almost anything about it. And that sounds 1413 01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:39.640 so wild. It can be good too, you know, it could be 1414 01:32:39.720 --> 01:32:43.119 used for good thing. I can still feel it from my trip really like 1415 01:32:43.159 --> 01:32:46.439 I like, did you hear drums? Yeah? In my on oh your 1416 01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:48.640 mushroom trip. Yeah, I thought you meant your mountain trip. Yeah. 1417 01:32:48.640 --> 01:32:53.560 I had this like it was in my head and it was the same type 1418 01:32:53.560 --> 01:32:58.000 of thing. It was just like very Yeah, it was very rhythmic, 1419 01:32:58.039 --> 01:33:00.880 and I kept wanting to hear it like more, more and more. Right, 1420 01:33:00.279 --> 01:33:03.399 Yeah, this is so strange. Well, it's like, what's weird 1421 01:33:03.560 --> 01:33:08.560 this is? I've just remembering this last weekend. I was in the mountains 1422 01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:15.640 and uh me and Casey were wandering around downtown Waynesville and we were looking for 1423 01:33:15.720 --> 01:33:18.159 just like a coffee place to go and whatever. And it was like five 1424 01:33:18.239 --> 01:33:20.800 or six at night whatever. We had just had dinner, and we were 1425 01:33:20.840 --> 01:33:26.159 just like walking around and we passed by this one place that looked like weird 1426 01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:29.520 on the inside and there was no one inside, but the door was open 1427 01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:34.520 and it looked like it was a coffee place, but it said kava you 1428 01:33:34.520 --> 01:33:40.159 know, the like the herb people take kind of like crad them. Yeah, 1429 01:33:40.159 --> 01:33:42.640 so it was supposed to be like a kava bar or whatever. And 1430 01:33:42.680 --> 01:33:45.880 so I got on my phone and I was like, well, I want 1431 01:33:45.920 --> 01:33:48.159 coffee. I don't want kava or whatever. And uh I was like, 1432 01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:53.000 let me look for a place. No coffee places anywhere around us, which 1433 01:33:53.039 --> 01:33:55.680 was like that's weird and weird. Yeah, we just happened to be like 1434 01:33:55.720 --> 01:33:58.840 on the edge of Waynesville. And I was like, all right, well, 1435 01:33:58.920 --> 01:34:01.159 I don't you want to see if this place has coffee or something, 1436 01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:05.039 and so we walked in and there was one guy behind the counter and he 1437 01:34:05.199 --> 01:34:08.920 was super nice, super cool and whatever. I was like, do you 1438 01:34:08.920 --> 01:34:11.560 have coffee, and he's like, yeah, totally made, like the best 1439 01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:15.520 coffee I've ever had. This is just a guy who's hyper obsessed with coffee. 1440 01:34:15.600 --> 01:34:18.920 He was also a former UFC fighter, like like wow, like he's 1441 01:34:18.920 --> 01:34:23.640 been on TV and like all kinds of stuff. But then he did ayahuasca 1442 01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:27.640 and was like left it all and changed his whole life and got really into 1443 01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:31.760 coffee. So anyway, me in case you're sitting there chopping it up with 1444 01:34:31.800 --> 01:34:35.199 this guy. He's so cool. We're talking about mushrooms and ayahuasca and all 1445 01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:39.680 this awesome stuff whatever. And then this other guy walks in who like looks 1446 01:34:39.880 --> 01:34:45.520 like Johnny Depp mixed with like Mickey Rourke, like a very very strange looking 1447 01:34:45.560 --> 01:34:49.960 guy, and he's like hippie vibe, like super cool whatever. And anyway, 1448 01:34:50.319 --> 01:34:56.640 we struck up like a twenty minute conversation with him about drum circles. 1449 01:34:56.920 --> 01:35:00.880 But it's just this past weekend too. This is that's crazy. He just 1450 01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:05.520 got back. It's kind of really weird and uncanny. That I've never even 1451 01:35:05.560 --> 01:35:11.680 had a conversation about drum circles till last weekend, and then now we're sitting 1452 01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:14.640 on this show talking about it right now, Like I don't know. That's 1453 01:35:14.640 --> 01:35:21.000 a weird convergence to me. And the way the guy that walked in talking 1454 01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:28.279 about the drum circles walked in like immediately after I ordered a kava and I 1455 01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:30.800 took a sip of it. What was that? Like, I've never had 1456 01:35:30.840 --> 01:35:32.239 any experience with that. I've done it, I've done it before. What's 1457 01:35:32.279 --> 01:35:34.520 the purpose of it? I'm just curious. Well, I didn't know, 1458 01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:39.720 but apparently it is like a spiritual practice. It's like one of those spiritual 1459 01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:43.239 medicines, like you know, all the other ones that you know over whatever. 1460 01:35:43.279 --> 01:35:46.399 But the guy behind the counter, he was telling me all about it 1461 01:35:46.479 --> 01:35:50.159 and it was so cool, and but it's like it's all overwhelmington too. 1462 01:35:50.159 --> 01:35:59.199 I've just never It tastes awful. First of all awful, but it has 1463 01:35:59.279 --> 01:36:02.239 this like a couple of minutes after drinking it, your whole entire mouth will 1464 01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:08.560 go completely numb. Interesting, and then another like five minutes later, your 1465 01:36:08.600 --> 01:36:12.439 whole body goes numb. It's like it feels like taking a muscle relaxer. 1466 01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:15.760 Really yeah, I don't know if you've ever taken a muscle relax It makes 1467 01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:19.079 your body feel like it's it's and then also it has this effect on your 1468 01:36:19.119 --> 01:36:27.079 mind where you think about everything, at least in my experience, like so 1469 01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:31.560 much more simply. There's not all these extraneous crazy your thoughts are like hyper 1470 01:36:31.600 --> 01:36:36.479 focused, and it like just very chill and it almost felt like a kind 1471 01:36:36.479 --> 01:36:42.239 of flow state. I was just like, damn, I'm chilling right now, 1472 01:36:42.279 --> 01:36:46.720 Like you know, it wasn't anything crazy tripping and were now altered. 1473 01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:49.560 No visual I mean, it's legal. You can just walk right in and 1474 01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:53.039 get it, so it can't be that crazy. Yeah, yeah, no, 1475 01:36:53.239 --> 01:36:56.520 And it was really cool though. The experience was awesome. So I 1476 01:36:56.560 --> 01:36:59.279 got something to go and I did some in the air BnB. Is this 1477 01:36:59.319 --> 01:37:01.880 something that you'd recommend? I've only done it a handful of times. The 1478 01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:05.800 only other time was, uh, it was like back in college. I 1479 01:37:05.840 --> 01:37:11.479 went to visit Nathan and Boone and he was like, there's this thing called 1480 01:37:11.560 --> 01:37:14.560 cover and I'd never heard of it, and we ate it in the form 1481 01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:18.840 of a chocolate bar and everybody in like there was like ten people in the 1482 01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:26.000 room. We were all literally like like slumped, completely slumped, but we 1483 01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:30.520 were all feeling great. I mean, I've had a couple of positive experiences 1484 01:37:30.600 --> 01:37:34.319 with it. I don't I wouldn't say I've like tried it enough to necessarily 1485 01:37:34.359 --> 01:37:38.359 recommend it, But I don't know. If you feel like I could give 1486 01:37:38.359 --> 01:37:41.760 it a shot. It definitely seems safe, yeah, you know, I 1487 01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:43.520 don't. I don't know if it's like a date. It's not like a 1488 01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:45.880 drug or oh dude, you get it in at a coffee Yeah, I 1489 01:37:45.880 --> 01:37:48.039 got it at a coffee bar. It just tastes like dirt. It's like 1490 01:37:48.199 --> 01:37:51.760 drinking dirt. You know what's popping up right now too, is ceremonial cocal 1491 01:37:51.840 --> 01:37:56.760 powder like raw. Yeah, it has effects. I haven't tried it, 1492 01:37:56.800 --> 01:37:59.840 but I've never tried it either. But some people, I want to say, 1493 01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:03.119 will snort it, like not snort it, but like you know, 1494 01:38:03.159 --> 01:38:08.960 with like the tobacco that they like inhale it really quickly. Yes, yeah, 1495 01:38:09.119 --> 01:38:11.760 apparently you can do it like that too. And yeah, supposedly like 1496 01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:17.439 cacao, uh, it makes you have bursts of you for positivity, it's 1497 01:38:17.479 --> 01:38:21.399 just braught chocolate. It sounds like a straight edge party. It sounds like 1498 01:38:21.399 --> 01:38:25.560 a hippie party. Yeah, let's do it, let's go good. Yeah 1499 01:38:25.560 --> 01:38:30.800 that's wild man, that's that's cool. But the Coppa things, that's wild 1500 01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:32.399 that you brought that up, because I've seen it all around Wilmington popping up. 1501 01:38:32.399 --> 01:38:34.760 But I'm like, I knew what it was, but I just never 1502 01:38:34.840 --> 01:38:38.439 cared enough to look into it. So you know, I'd like to try 1503 01:38:38.439 --> 01:38:41.479 it. No negatives for me, Yeah, for sure, interesting chill. 1504 01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:45.600 So there was something else I wanted to hit. Yeah, and it's you 1505 01:38:45.640 --> 01:38:49.680 know, it can be brief. But skywatching, well yeah, just just 1506 01:38:49.760 --> 01:38:55.920 you know, like what you saw, what you So I'll relate one in 1507 01:38:56.000 --> 01:39:00.560 Argentina and then we recently went skywatching. So there was a one time in 1508 01:39:00.319 --> 01:39:04.640 Argentina that I skywatched unintentionally before I before you knew about all. Yeah, 1509 01:39:04.680 --> 01:39:06.760 and I was just like I was kind of, you know, down on 1510 01:39:06.800 --> 01:39:09.600 my luck. I was kind of in like a low place, and so 1511 01:39:09.640 --> 01:39:13.760 I just I also had like an herbal drink mate, and Argentina's like, 1512 01:39:13.840 --> 01:39:16.000 oh, like you're a mate. That's cool stuff. It's not like the 1513 01:39:16.039 --> 01:39:18.600 cold drink. It's like the hot herb with the hot water and stuff like 1514 01:39:18.600 --> 01:39:20.840 that. Yeah. So I was just drinking that outside and I was trying 1515 01:39:20.880 --> 01:39:23.800 to be in my myself. Is that the world? Like the hell of 1516 01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:26.680 green powder on top of the side, Okay, okay with a straw. 1517 01:39:27.960 --> 01:39:30.920 That stuff is special, man, I am like to be honest, it'll 1518 01:39:30.920 --> 01:39:34.800 make you shit your pants your first time. I believe it. But it's 1519 01:39:34.800 --> 01:39:40.920 pretty good. So I went outside and I like had my little mate and 1520 01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:44.920 I was just like, man like, I just want to see something. 1521 01:39:44.920 --> 01:39:47.119 Like I was just really in like a mode I just want to see something. 1522 01:39:47.800 --> 01:39:49.840 I was just like, let me see a shooting star, let me 1523 01:39:49.880 --> 01:39:54.399 see like a light, or like, let me see something cool. And 1524 01:39:54.439 --> 01:39:57.600 it was it was like exactly what I saw your at your dad's house. 1525 01:39:57.920 --> 01:40:00.520 It was just like a little stars like a soup. And then it just 1526 01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:01.960 like chilled there for a little bit and it was like zoop and it just 1527 01:40:02.079 --> 01:40:04.800 disappeared, and I was like whoa. And at that time, I was 1528 01:40:04.840 --> 01:40:11.279 like, shooting star. Cool, shooting star that stopped in the frame of 1529 01:40:11.319 --> 01:40:14.319 reference. No. No, I was just like that's just a that's just 1530 01:40:14.359 --> 01:40:16.000 a shooting star. Like that's all I thought. But looking back on it 1531 01:40:16.039 --> 01:40:19.439 now, I was like, okay, like maybe I'm misremembering, but I 1532 01:40:19.479 --> 01:40:24.000 do remember it like stopping slightly so and that's what I have seen at you 1533 01:40:24.039 --> 01:40:27.520 know, the Bloodzou's house. But that's exactly what you saw. Yeah, 1534 01:40:27.600 --> 01:40:30.640 yeah, well it was crazy, is is Uh So for my during my 1535 01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:34.479 brother's wedding, the night before, we all came over chilled and it was 1536 01:40:34.479 --> 01:40:36.880 a little foggy. Nights. Yeah, we went two nights in a row 1537 01:40:38.239 --> 01:40:42.079 and uh the first night was pretty foggy, but we did some cloud busting 1538 01:40:42.560 --> 01:40:45.279 and there was like a little pocket and we did see uh I want to 1539 01:40:45.279 --> 01:40:47.720 say, at least one in the clouds, but there was one that was 1540 01:40:47.760 --> 01:40:54.720 like trailing the forest like outline or like the wood outline, like a little 1541 01:40:54.720 --> 01:40:56.800 further back, and it was pretty lit of the ground, so it was 1542 01:40:56.800 --> 01:41:00.199 just kind of weaving its way through the through the woods. But the next 1543 01:41:00.319 --> 01:41:03.279 night we're all just chilling. Again. It's pretty late. Maybe it's not 1544 01:41:03.319 --> 01:41:04.760 late. It was just good. It was after the wedding. It was 1545 01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:09.720 about eleven o'clock. Oh yeah, maybe it wasn't eleven o'clock, and and 1546 01:41:10.039 --> 01:41:12.359 it was just it was popping off. There were quite a few, weren't 1547 01:41:12.399 --> 01:41:15.800 there. There was probably at least like ten. Yeah, for sure now, 1548 01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:17.239 And like it's crazy too that it worked out that way where there was 1549 01:41:17.239 --> 01:41:20.039 more on the second night because Dad and I mean we're always talking privately, 1550 01:41:20.159 --> 01:41:25.479 like just filling the vibe out, and we were convinced that the first night 1551 01:41:25.520 --> 01:41:30.520 was so quiet because there were some friends in town like Alan and I'm trying 1552 01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:34.159 to think of Marky's friend's name, Saxon. Saxon. Yeah, yeah, 1553 01:41:34.239 --> 01:41:36.960 a couple of guys who we had never met, right right, and they're 1554 01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:42.600 fairly skeptical. Yeah, I have no clue they they they're just there, 1555 01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:45.399 you know what I mean. And like the first night was like Marky and 1556 01:41:45.439 --> 01:41:48.479 Bobby had already seen many times, you know, so like when they're around, 1557 01:41:48.479 --> 01:41:50.159 it's like pop up, pap up. But then the friends show up, 1558 01:41:50.159 --> 01:41:53.920 it's like one little light. Yeah, like it was a pretty big 1559 01:41:54.000 --> 01:41:57.039 show. Yeah, I could see more, but they did, like they 1560 01:41:57.079 --> 01:42:00.000 did see something, but again, like I think they were still skeptic. 1561 01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:01.399 Cool, like they had saw something else, like okay, I know what 1562 01:42:01.439 --> 01:42:04.640 that is. They let those obviously know what it is, but they were 1563 01:42:04.680 --> 01:42:09.560 just like like could it be a satellite? And I was like, come 1564 01:42:09.640 --> 01:42:13.079 on, We've done this we've done this. Yeah, it could be a 1565 01:42:13.079 --> 01:42:16.640 satellite, most likely not. But the second night boom popping off. And 1566 01:42:16.680 --> 01:42:21.000 so Alan was there, and Alan is more skeptical than Saxon. Saxon believes 1567 01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:27.520 in like a bunch of stuff, but he's skeptical and when like seeing firsthand. 1568 01:42:27.880 --> 01:42:31.520 But Alan is just skeptical of even the concept. And and so he 1569 01:42:31.560 --> 01:42:34.119 saw something. He's like, whoa, that is kind of strange. He 1570 01:42:34.199 --> 01:42:36.119 was like opening up to it and he's like, that is kind of strange. 1571 01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:39.800 Like it is moving like in an odd direction. It did current curve 1572 01:42:39.840 --> 01:42:44.119 a little bit, it did turn. I was like it was happening. 1573 01:42:44.840 --> 01:42:45.840 And so we saw him. We saw him in the tree line, We 1574 01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:49.479 saw him up in the sky. But at the same time, nobody was 1575 01:42:49.520 --> 01:42:53.960 paying attention or they were. It was like intermingling. Everyone was kind of 1576 01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:57.119 like in a chit chat mode. But I was kind of just like staring 1577 01:42:57.159 --> 01:43:00.039 off and I just saw it, like this is the craziest one. I 1578 01:43:00.079 --> 01:43:03.439 saying, like it was like it permeated the sky. It was full on 1579 01:43:03.720 --> 01:43:09.520 just crazy. But it was like a yellowish white like it was like a 1580 01:43:09.560 --> 01:43:12.359 ball with a tail, and it just zipped into the sky and I was 1581 01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:15.119 like whoa. Like, I was like, guys, it's right there, 1582 01:43:15.199 --> 01:43:18.760 just zipped in. Did they see it? No? No, And I'm 1583 01:43:18.760 --> 01:43:21.119 saying, I'm not saying. It just zipped in and it like disappeared. 1584 01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:24.359 It zipped in and stayed there. I was like no, I was like, 1585 01:43:24.399 --> 01:43:26.159 guys, it's right there, and it just zipped out as soon as 1586 01:43:26.199 --> 01:43:29.600 I said it. But again, it's like you believed you got the site. 1587 01:43:29.800 --> 01:43:32.479 Yeah I was. I'm not telling, I'm not kidding. It was 1588 01:43:32.520 --> 01:43:36.600 like the most like brightest thing I'd ever seen, and it had a like 1589 01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:40.760 a long streak of a tail across the sky, across the sky, and 1590 01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:44.399 it stopped too, like it completely stopped, which is kind of like what 1591 01:43:44.439 --> 01:43:46.239 it did the first time. Well yeah, I mean in Argentina. Sure, 1592 01:43:46.319 --> 01:43:49.760 yeah, it is very similar, which is crazy that that tells me 1593 01:43:49.840 --> 01:43:54.079 it was a personal thing. And it was like there's a reminder, like, 1594 01:43:54.159 --> 01:43:57.800 yo, what you saw that night was the right But I didn't at 1595 01:43:57.800 --> 01:44:00.520 that time, I didn't. I didn't remember the experience that I had Argentina. 1596 01:44:01.039 --> 01:44:04.560 There was just this like one off experience, but like this time, 1597 01:44:04.600 --> 01:44:09.880 it was just so bright, long, beautiful tale. And then as soon 1598 01:44:09.880 --> 01:44:12.960 as I was like it stopped. It's right there. As soon as this 1599 01:44:13.000 --> 01:44:15.560 said, everyone's like what it's like. I was like, oh, come 1600 01:44:15.600 --> 01:44:20.319 on, then playing a joke on it. Yeah, it was pretty cool. 1601 01:44:20.359 --> 01:44:23.920 And Alan got a video of it. He has a video of it 1602 01:44:23.920 --> 01:44:27.279 that he I think he looks at it like every other day. Oh yeah, 1603 01:44:27.319 --> 01:44:29.279 yeah, he's never brought it up to me again. No, well 1604 01:44:29.640 --> 01:44:31.119 oh whoa. Yeah, we've been playing cod together, so I can't believe 1605 01:44:31.159 --> 01:44:38.199 he hasn't said anything. But no, he's always like controllers. But yeah, 1606 01:44:38.239 --> 01:44:40.640 and Saxon got to see some stuff. He was pretty impressed too. 1607 01:44:40.920 --> 01:44:44.680 I haven't talked to Saxon in forever, so I'm sure. I'm sure they 1608 01:44:44.840 --> 01:44:47.760 definitely enjoyed it. They was really cool. That's so dope. Yeah, 1609 01:44:48.560 --> 01:44:54.079 strange things happened at the Bloodstone House. Yeah, I forget that's even a 1610 01:44:54.119 --> 01:45:00.399 thing. Yeah. Well, let's just uh, let's just start being more 1611 01:45:00.399 --> 01:45:03.720 intentional about you being cleared, so like that that negative presence that you think 1612 01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:06.600 might be there is no longer there, you know what I mean. It's 1613 01:45:06.600 --> 01:45:09.920 a good idea. I do think you have the power. Alex is putting 1614 01:45:09.920 --> 01:45:15.359 his hands over you. Yeah, I do think you have the power. 1615 01:45:15.600 --> 01:45:17.840 You know, it's just like the intention, you know, connecting with the 1616 01:45:17.920 --> 01:45:21.600 light, and like you can overcome it. For sure, I would agree 1617 01:45:21.880 --> 01:45:26.600 it's it's a work in progress. Oh yeah, dude, it happened overnight. 1618 01:45:26.720 --> 01:45:28.800 I mean, you know, that's how it goes. But at the 1619 01:45:28.840 --> 01:45:30.199 end of the day, it's like it all did happen for a reason. 1620 01:45:30.479 --> 01:45:33.279 Yeah, I'd say there were a lot of benefits that came out of it, 1621 01:45:33.359 --> 01:45:36.119 for sure, and I think, you know, that's what opened my 1622 01:45:36.119 --> 01:45:40.199 mind up a little bit more to like these topics. It's like, right, 1623 01:45:40.880 --> 01:45:43.199 then, maybe that was its purpose. Maybe, yeah, very what 1624 01:45:43.239 --> 01:45:46.119 could be you know, I'll never know, but right, but you can 1625 01:45:46.159 --> 01:45:49.159 take it. You can take it. Yeah, yeah, exactly, you 1626 01:45:49.199 --> 01:45:54.920 have the power. That's that's I feel like that's definitely one of the deepest 1627 01:45:54.920 --> 01:45:58.880 episodes we've ever recorded. Today. It's pretty fun. That was awesome. 1628 01:45:59.119 --> 01:46:00.399 Yeah, I think that's a good point to end. Yeah. Yeah, 1629 01:46:00.520 --> 01:46:06.039 Alex, you were shining so bright over there with your shirt. Thank you. 1630 01:46:06.119 --> 01:46:09.920 They'll never see it because they're not on that I mean, you just 1631 01:46:09.920 --> 01:46:13.359 push a button. Man, No, I don't have a camera. Oh 1632 01:46:13.840 --> 01:46:16.079 all right, well I guess we will call it there, all right, 1633 01:46:16.399 --> 01:46:19.079 let's do it all right. Thanks for coming and Bobby, of course we 1634 01:46:19.119 --> 01:46:23.119 appreciate you, dude, literally thirty seconds away. I know it was it 1635 01:46:23.159 --> 01:46:26.399 was hard and arduous for you to make the trip, but we appreciate you 1636 01:46:26.439 --> 01:46:29.640 for sure. It's a long walk, but there's no woods, you know, 1637 01:46:29.640 --> 01:46:35.039 there's no witches on thens with ghost hands smashing you into sludge water, 1638 01:46:35.680 --> 01:46:39.720 not yet at least. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Alright, 1639 01:46:39.800 --> 01:46:46.800 y'all you one bye guy. Guys. Weird things happen in the backyard of 1640 01:46:46.840 --> 01:47:03.199 bloodshow House. Yea, so weird coming closer to us, layers straight up 1641 01:47:06.560 --> 01:47:15.600 like smiring on the inside of it. No one knows, man, wow 1642 01:47:17.239 --> 01:47:34.960 this come, or I ever got solid