1 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:31,399 Hello, everybody. Welcome to That's Non Metal, your rock and metal podcast 2 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,399 that is here with you every week. Like you know what's going on. 3 00:00:34,679 --> 00:00:38,159 This is hyper Blast, the first normal hyper Blast we've had in quite a 4 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:44,479 while. Last week we obviously had our huge outbreak festival review. Today it's 5 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,840 back to quick and simple, in and out stuff. We've got some news 6 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,200 to talk about. We've got some releases to tell you what's out at the 7 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,479 end of the end of the day. But we're gonna get into all that 8 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,880 now. My name is Perren hash. Sam Dignon is here. We're also 9 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,280 joined today by Mark Anderson, who is popping in. Mark, you are 10 00:01:02,359 --> 00:01:08,480 here because along with myself, we both attended the Iron Maiden Future Past tour 11 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,879 this past week. So we're gonna have a little matter about that, aren't 12 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:17,959 we the heavy metal event of the year. It's definitely one of the tours 13 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:25,079 of the yeah, and something I'd been anticipating pretty much my whole life. 14 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,159 Like, Yeah, so for context, this was your first time seeing Iron 15 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:34,200 Maiden despite being a near lifelong Iron Maiden fan. Yeah, because annoyingly like, 16 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:38,120 they never fucking play Scotland, or if they do, it's in Aberdeen, 17 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:46,280 which is no one's going to Aberdeen is the cultural hub of Scotland. 18 00:01:46,359 --> 00:01:51,200 Aberdeen I think we can all agree. But no, they came to Glasgow 19 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:57,680 specifically playing songs from Send It To Send It To and Suwheer in Time, 20 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,439 which are two albums I genuinely really love of sort of the perfect time for 21 00:02:01,519 --> 00:02:06,519 me to see them. And it was amazing, was it not? Yeah? 22 00:02:06,519 --> 00:02:08,960 I mean we saw Law That Are Lost first, got off to some 23 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:14,120 some some blood and glitter. That was a thing. But Iron Maiden again, 24 00:02:14,199 --> 00:02:17,759 this for me was it's my second time seeing Iron Maiden, so I 25 00:02:17,759 --> 00:02:22,599 think I'm sure this particular show will have more significance for you as your first 26 00:02:22,599 --> 00:02:24,680 time than this does for me, as you know obviously my first time does 27 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:30,319 for me. But it was just like Iron Maiden being brilliant and when when 28 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,479 it comes to specifically the setltis because let's just talk about the show for frisking, 29 00:02:34,479 --> 00:02:37,719 I suppose you bit again first time seeing them iron Maiden shows, it 30 00:02:37,719 --> 00:02:40,960 feels like every time you are specifically talking about the setlist and the vibe that 31 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,039 they've chosen for the show more than the actual quality of the points itself, 32 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:50,400 because they're just always brilliant, Like it's it's not even a question whether Iron 33 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,879 Maiden are actually gonna, you know, play well or anything like that. 34 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:55,960 And you know, again, we were having this discussion with people who were 35 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,479 also going to the tour and it was like, it's kind of stagger that 36 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,840 for a band who are like one of the longest running metal bands that we 37 00:03:05,879 --> 00:03:08,199 still have in the world, right, like Black Sabbatha Gone, they're pretty 38 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:13,680 much behind you know, Juda's Priest and a couple of others, but they 39 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,719 if they have one or two of these large cycles left in them, they 40 00:03:17,759 --> 00:03:23,599 are looking like they might be the rare band who genuinely do not have any 41 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:28,039 significant downturn in the quality of their formsed before the end, and that is 42 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:34,080 pretty amazing. I was genuinely so shocked. I went in sort of expecting 43 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,919 an old man metal show like we saw Saxon a few years ago. I 44 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,360 was like, yeah, there's so much fun, but it is very much 45 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,319 an elderly show, right. Yeah, the crowd was sat down, like 46 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:53,199 it was a bit of a laugh, but like, not the most amazing 47 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:58,520 show you've ever seen. Iron Maiden, however, holy shit, those guys 48 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,680 are so tight and not that he's never sounded better, but he genuinely sounds 49 00:04:03,719 --> 00:04:12,960 amazing running about the stage, jumping about, going crazy like he sounded so 50 00:04:13,039 --> 00:04:17,279 good and it can still like belt out those big notes. Yeah, so 51 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,839 well as you want in terms like I said, in terms of like judging 52 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,519 the show or whatever. For me as someone who's seen I made him before, 53 00:04:24,519 --> 00:04:26,680 and for many of people out there in the same position probably seen them 54 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:30,879 much more than me, even it does just come down to like what they're 55 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:34,240 playing on the night, because the quality of pointments are just so always there 56 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,720 and you're right in terms of again, me and Elliott discussed when they kind 57 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,519 of unveiled the setlist for a particular tour a few weeks ago, as they 58 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,000 tend to do, and we were like, yeah, it looks like a 59 00:04:44,079 --> 00:04:46,839 very good time and when it comes to the somewhere in time send you to 60 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:50,279 sort of framing of the tour. Somewhere in time. I swear like in 61 00:04:50,319 --> 00:04:54,040 the last year since they announced they were doing this tour, we did the 62 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,639 album club and everything just been listening to it in advance of this, I 63 00:04:56,639 --> 00:05:00,480 swear it's gone up like a couple of spots in my I had made in 64 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,639 kind of power ranking like I've done so, and when they open with court 65 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,720 Somewhere in Time and they all run out on the stage at the same time, 66 00:05:06,759 --> 00:05:13,240 so that it's like one of the most one of the most underrated. 67 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,600 Iron made an openers. It was a moment of magic. Oh, it 68 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:23,720 was amazing and like an amazing opener that I never really considered, because when 69 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:27,160 you think Iron made an openers, you think like Ace is high. Yeah, 70 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:31,160 that song I've not seen them open with. You know, I have 71 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,480 about twelve Iron made in live albums, and if it's not a Societ, 72 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:40,879 it's like Wickerman or some shit. Um, yeah, they've run out. 73 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:46,279 I start screaming. I'm like, that's actual Steve Harris, That's that's him 74 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:51,040 up there. The energy was ten, Like the song is a ten. 75 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,399 I don't remember it that well because I feel like I left my body. 76 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,560 Yeah, and then going straight into Stranger in a Strange Lands, which again 77 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,079 with another song that I didn't know if I would ever see I made and 78 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:08,040 play it was absolutely brilliant. The rest of Somewhere and Time stuff, obviously, 79 00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:10,160 there was so much talk about Alice ard of the Great and that was 80 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,480 a fabulous moment. Was that the song where Bruce hit the big gong you 81 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,680 like that behind Nicko's drum kit and whacked a big gong. That was good. 82 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:27,279 Heaven can Wait had the full on Eddie cannon fight essentially so many videos 83 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,959 of this. Yeah, that was the best bit. That was amazing. 84 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,800 Mate. I when Heaven can Wait started, I thought, okay, I'll 85 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,720 go for a p now this is the appropriate time. And I got back 86 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,319 and our mutual friend Josh who I went with, went, mate, You'll 87 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:46,120 never guess what you miss. I was so gutted. Yeah again, I 88 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,800 took a video at the moment and in my video you can actually see me 89 00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:51,839 jump at the final cannon blast when Eddie blows up Bruce's big cannon because it 90 00:06:51,879 --> 00:06:57,639 just absolutely like got me. Was such again, the show is just genuinely 91 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,240 so much fun. They're not normally a pyro band, I of her, 92 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,519 but they the more of a big wobbling stilt man band. But they did, 93 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,040 like, you know, get a bit of pyer out for him. 94 00:07:05,079 --> 00:07:09,879 I think it was hell on Earth. So the time stuff was mostly piru. 95 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:14,240 Yeah, that was fucking great to send you to stuff. I mean 96 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:15,680 again, When me and Alick were discussing the sets, and stuff were like, 97 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:19,120 even if you're kind of apathetic on any album, it normally is better 98 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:23,639 live. I experienced that very much with the Book of Soul stuff when I 99 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,240 saw them, and again larger same here the songs that I love on that 100 00:07:27,279 --> 00:07:30,560 record. The writing on the Wall was fucking amazing, Like, that is 101 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:35,279 a spectacular song, and that chorus took off unbelievably well in the live environment, 102 00:07:35,319 --> 00:07:40,000 So that was really really good. You mentioned Hell on Earth, which 103 00:07:40,519 --> 00:07:44,759 is you know, kind of um became a sort of an immediate fan favorite 104 00:07:44,759 --> 00:07:47,639 as like the album closer on it, and you know it kind of grew 105 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,879 on me over that sort of you know, nearly a year now since the 106 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,959 album came out, and like when they started playing it for the encore, 107 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,040 a guy behind me just went, fucking masterpiece. So that guy was clearly 108 00:07:58,639 --> 00:08:01,639 really happy to see that. Yeah, I love Hell on Earth. I 109 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:09,079 think is genuinely one of the best Iron Maiden closers. I think is an 110 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:11,800 epic. Is an epic. It's a really good one. I think people 111 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,319 slightly over judge it when they go it's it's the best Iron Maiden closes are 112 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,439 ever and it's like, well, you're putting it next to Hallibe by Name 113 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,920 and Ryan and the Ancient Mariner As I've like literally some of the greatest metal 114 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:20,279 songs ever written, but it is a fucking good one. It was really 115 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:24,720 really brilliant live. The time Machine was the one that I thought of was 116 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:26,560 like, yeah, you know, I'd swapped out for something else. I 117 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,040 was shocked at how much I enjoyed that song live, like the guitar mela 118 00:08:30,079 --> 00:08:33,879 Isn't it really really worked? The chorus worked. You are gonna hate me 119 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:35,960 for saying this. I know. The low for me was Death of the 120 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:43,360 Celts. How bloody dare you? It just made me think how much I 121 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,360 would rather be seeing The Klansman or you know, one of the like Dance 122 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:52,639 of Death or something like the various specifically Celtic Iron Maiden songs. It's like 123 00:08:52,799 --> 00:08:54,720 bottom of the Pile, and I know they were doing it for the new 124 00:08:54,759 --> 00:08:56,759 album tour, but it was the one bit of the Settlers where I was 125 00:08:56,799 --> 00:08:58,080 like, I would gend like I again, I don't know if I'm ever 126 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,679 going to see them do something like the Klansmen before they eventually retired, Like 127 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,960 I would rather be watching that incredible song that I've loved for like half my 128 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:11,440 life versus this kind of dodgy one. I appreciate that. To be honest, 129 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:15,879 I had to take an entire set of the Celtic songs. I love 130 00:09:15,919 --> 00:09:20,679 it all. Yeah, they could do just a Celtic jig. I'd I'd 131 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,120 have no legs by the end. I don't know if you heard from our 132 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:30,840 from Josh who our mutual friend. I went crazy during death help you ID 133 00:09:30,879 --> 00:09:33,159 you had to show your celt car, didn't you. I had to. 134 00:09:33,919 --> 00:09:37,919 I had to prove we were alive, Yeah, which I told me about. 135 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:41,360 Bruce was saying ahead of the Glasgow thing, he was like, we're 136 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,720 playing this song and obviously you're all still here, so it's kind of bit 137 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,720 weird. He did the same thing where he was like, we played in 138 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:48,879 Dublin last night and we had to play the song whereds they're all there, 139 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:52,799 but like, yeah, there was a kind of poignancy to that moment as 140 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:54,559 well. And again just kind of you know, best of the rest other 141 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,440 stuff. I know they play every single tour ever, but Fear of the 142 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:03,039 Dark from one of the greatest single like live songs. You can see and 143 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,559 again I'm sure for you your first time seeing it Oh my god, is 144 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,759 it just magical life? Yeah, Like, the crowd was so loud I 145 00:10:11,759 --> 00:10:16,519 could barely hear Bruce. It was incredible. And again that's what the guitar 146 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:22,519 lines as well, not even just the oh yeah words. Scottish crowds go 147 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,480 crazy for singing guitar lines at the best of times, never mind Iron Maiden 148 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:31,440 ones to right. Yeah, and again I kind of I'd forgotten until like 149 00:10:31,519 --> 00:10:33,960 the night that they were playing The Prisoner, which it's so weird to go 150 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,799 into an Iron Maiden show where they only play one song off Number of the 151 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,240 Beast and it's the Prisoner, but it was like, oh, awesome, 152 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:46,080 I love this song such a like, yeah, I forgot about that as 153 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,360 well, such a pleasant surprise obviously that song. They could play any song 154 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:52,840 from Number of the Beast really and I'd be like, oh, oh my 155 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:58,279 god. M yeah, the song Iron Maiden. That was probably my highlight, 156 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:07,480 allright, so massive and surreal that like a song that scrappy sounds like 157 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,360 the biggest song in the world, you know what I mean. Yeah, 158 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,519 Like, that's that's the song that I guess if you've seen I mean a 159 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:15,360 lot of times, you could sort of go like It's kind of funny that 160 00:11:15,399 --> 00:11:18,799 they always they like they're willing to swap out Run to the Hills or the 161 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:20,960 Number of the Beast or any of these type of things, but they have 162 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,440 never, ever, ever swapped out the song I had made in from the 163 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,679 very first album. It's kind of a weird one to have stuck around, 164 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:30,200 even on a tour like this, which is so kind of sci fi themed. 165 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,720 But that was when you did get the big samurai Eddie wandering out, 166 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,440 who looked cool. And I also forgot to mention when they literally opened the 167 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,840 court somewhere in time, Bruce running out in like the fucking Back to the 168 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:41,840 Future goggles and stuff, looking like a mad pilot. That was great. 169 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,399 Yeah, And he was like kneeling around and like searching as if he was 170 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,720 looking for something in yea a maniac. Yeah. So yeah, just a 171 00:11:52,799 --> 00:12:00,720 really really just a lovely spectacle of heavy metal from a band he continued to 172 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,080 put that on, And, like I said, the fact that you can 173 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:07,840 so reliably just know that Iron Maide and are going to give you that experience 174 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,960 each and every time, seemingly until the end, I think it's just really 175 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:18,799 brilliant. Yeah. I went in thinking I don't know if I'm ever going 176 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:22,039 to see them again, because it's such a fast seeing big bands, you 177 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:28,039 know, But I'm though, like, after seeing the show, whenever they 178 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,159 tour again, I'm going to be there. Yeah. I mean I've said 179 00:12:31,159 --> 00:12:33,519 this before for other reasons, but I mean normally would anyway, right next 180 00:12:33,519 --> 00:12:35,799 cycle. It was a weird fluke that I had to miss the Legacy of 181 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,480 the Beast one, which is very annoying, but like next cycle, I'm 182 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:41,039 so there. I would go to another show of this one if I could, 183 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,559 just to sing along to camera, play with Madness again and all that 184 00:12:45,639 --> 00:12:48,480 kind of stuff. So there you go, Sam, you were at the 185 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:52,919 Cancer Bats this week. Yes, not quite the spectacle, but another just 186 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,399 you know, always reliable. You're never going to get a bad show from 187 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,440 them. Banned Grow Street were opening. They've kind of the band who used 188 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,639 to be Groctriet Families, so they were grocery Families. They've had the name. 189 00:13:05,039 --> 00:13:07,600 They've basically had a sort of soft reboot. They've actually got their like 190 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:11,679 debut album properly coming out this year on right on an actual record label now, 191 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,399 so that they they've kind of like softly with the band. But they're 192 00:13:15,399 --> 00:13:18,039 still playing a lot of those old grocery family tunes, you know, big 193 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,120 chunky, crossover, fresh influence hardcore, really fun opener there that they're like 194 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:24,360 a bit of like a struggle with the crowd because I think, you know, 195 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,799 it's an older Cancer Bats crowd. I guess they're not going to be 196 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,559 going for that kind of hardcore as much, but they were. They're into 197 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,000 it. Cancer Bats though, they are the band I've seen more than any 198 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:39,559 other band, Like I'm pushing thirty times, I've seen that band. Now 199 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,639 it's like ridiculous, But I haven't seemed to a headline show. So it's 200 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,600 twenty eighteen, which is like which I was like, what's why I could 201 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,759 miss this one because I've just not seen that long like hour long headlines set 202 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:54,720 where they played all the bangers and it was as you'd expect, like just 203 00:13:54,879 --> 00:13:58,240 fantastic. The new songs off of the last album plenty of them in the 204 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:01,039 set. Radio is still one that I'm like, that run goes off and 205 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,320 that riff. Yeah. I kept going back to him like, yeah, 206 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,120 that's scot loads of bangers, lowly bongs, novel where like that. Those 207 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:13,240 are like the time like they should be you know absolutely live Staples, but 208 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:18,639 yeah, like this the Cone got like no fixed guitarists now because last month 209 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,600 when I saw them last year they had different guitarists to hell them this tour, 210 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:26,639 but so the main unit of them are still so infectious in their energy. 211 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,399 Liam is one of the greatest frontmen ever, just in how he can 212 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:33,039 get a crowd rilled up. Like it was like start of pretty good, 213 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:35,159 and then when they dropped the Monyhawk, like I think like fourth or fifth 214 00:14:35,159 --> 00:14:39,320 into the set, the energy just sort of shot up even more and then 215 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,960 did let up. And when your closing run goes how destroyer sabotage bricks and 216 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:48,320 more Lucifer's rocking chair as your way to end the gig like that again, 217 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,440 He's just bodies on bodies. At that point, it was just a fantastic 218 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,679 time from band. I will, like I said, I've seen more than 219 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:58,159 any other band and they will never ever tire of seeing. Well, speaking 220 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:03,000 of bodies upon bodies, I'm a in the ticket Master queuing system here as 221 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:07,679 a very good segue there. Paramour were announced a day or two ago to 222 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:13,039 be once again they've done this in the US, but over here the UK 223 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:22,039 and European dates of Taylor Swifts ongoing fucking world breaking eras tour Paramour are going 224 00:15:22,039 --> 00:15:26,399 to be the support act for the UK and European dates and fucking you know 225 00:15:26,519 --> 00:15:31,639 rock Twitter over here of the where it crosses over into Swifty demons so on 226 00:15:31,039 --> 00:15:37,840 went mad you, Yeah, and yeah, I suppose this is again I've 227 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,159 mentioned this a few times, but to completely lay this out, obviously, 228 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,200 Sam, you are a big Taylor Swift fan. My girlfriend is a full 229 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:48,919 on Swifty and she for the past like, you know, several weeks, 230 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,440 two months or whatever, stressing she's been planning with her her Swifty friend, 231 00:15:52,759 --> 00:15:58,200 like her fucking attack plan of like how they're going to try and get tickets 232 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:03,519 and observing this as a kind of you know, passive neutral, you know, 233 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:07,720 observer of how they've had to do it in terms of like they had 234 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:12,639 to like register for the potential to buy tickets yea, for like specific dates 235 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:17,120 as well, because again we're in Liverpool, and Liverpool is a place where 236 00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:19,279 Taylor is playing multiple dates that she's playing anfield and she's doing I think she 237 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,559 added one on three dates now of anfield, so like taylors Worth playing an 238 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:27,919 anfield is like perfect, right, But even still she's had to be like, 239 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,240 right, you know, Warsaw or whatever, like I'm going to apply 240 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,000 for the right to buy tickets to those just in case an feel fall through. 241 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,080 I mean, I I mean, I didn't get anything from the applying 242 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,559 tickets, but fortunately to day I got my Oh I remember to pre order 243 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:47,480 her life. Oh it's pre suffering today. So I'm like, well, 244 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,759 and they've got like the presars for that are going. It's like London at 245 00:16:49,799 --> 00:16:53,120 eleven am. One London date is at eleven m on Monday. One Edinburgh 246 00:16:53,159 --> 00:16:56,840 dates at one It at what like one people and so they literally press doing 247 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:00,679 one at a time every couple of days and number I'm gonna have to be 248 00:17:00,879 --> 00:17:03,279 trying to get on them because I really wanted to go to this talk Shifty, 249 00:17:03,559 --> 00:17:06,440 but I was like almost making peace. I was like, I'm probably 250 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:08,240 gonna get tickets, and they go and add Paramoe. I'm like, you, 251 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:12,319 motherfucker, yeah, because I can't miss Taylor Swift and Paramo or together. 252 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,359 It's ruined my life. I just and I've been thinking again about the 253 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,440 whole observing the process of how this this is working, and again I don't 254 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,640 know what the alternative is, because obviously she's unbelievably massive, the biggest artists. 255 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:33,279 But I think it's absolutely fucking baffling. It absolutely is like again me, 256 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,599 as I'm a casual Taylor Swift enjoyer, right like she has. Even 257 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:40,200 before I was with my girlfriend, I owned a copy of nineteen eighty nine. 258 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,720 We now have various other albums on the shelf. There are multiple albums 259 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,799 for us. I would say I enjoy. There are songs from elsewhere, 260 00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:48,559 like especially because again I've got to look into it and so I know more 261 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:51,920 about like the narrative and so on Taylor Swift. But I'm sure a lot 262 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,200 of people who would quite casually be wanting to go to these shows and whatnot. 263 00:17:55,359 --> 00:18:00,559 And yet Taylor Swift a pop artist I enjoy playing in the city that 264 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:04,160 I live in three dates Noeless at the biggest stadium in the city where I 265 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,119 live, with a band I fucking love as a support act. That should 266 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,880 be the perfect time for me to be like, oh, well, you 267 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:15,720 know what, I'll go along to that. And yet I have more chance 268 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,200 like of I don't know, getting a fucking ticket for Converge playing Temple of 269 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,400 Boom. Until you get anue whatever in the city I don't live in then 270 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,480 going to this, and I think it's just it's so surreal how pop music, 271 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,720 by its definition, I think it's kind of crazy. How like hardcore 272 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:38,079 pop fandom has kind of overtaken the kind of universality of pop music. I 273 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:45,839 guess, because pop by its definition should be the lowest barrier of entry for 274 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,240 someone to get to, right, Like, if someone doesn't go to many 275 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:49,880 shows a year, if they just enjoy what's on the radio. Maybe you 276 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,480 know, it's a parent who wants to take their like you know, the 277 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:57,440 their their young kids who enjoy Taylor Swift, and it's like, you don't 278 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,839 get too many shows a year, so you'll you'll, hey, you know 279 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:03,640 whatever, a normal stadium price to go and see a big pop act that 280 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:07,720 is, by definition, playing to the largest amount of people, there should 281 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,559 be the most amount of tickets available. That kind of like low barrier entry 282 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:18,480 for this specific tour seems to have been completely obliterated. So like somehow it's 283 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:23,559 only the most insanely hardcore of hardcore pop fans who have like the remotest chance 284 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:30,119 in hell of hopping through the hoops necessary to get to the biggest tour of 285 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,480 the year. I just think it's fucking wild how we've reached the situation with 286 00:19:33,559 --> 00:19:37,920 this. There is like like you can go into the intact of like what 287 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,279 ticket masters are doing and how they have you know, completely just fucks the 288 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:44,599 ticket buying process and live music and that and like the bad fents of the 289 00:19:44,599 --> 00:19:47,160 cost and I think, but it is like it's when you're looking kind of 290 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,079 like how are they meant to? Like I could look and go like what 291 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,200 is the altentative because I guess this is, you know, to try and 292 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,559 kill the touts buying the tickets, but then ticket masters to the touts who 293 00:19:56,599 --> 00:20:00,119 sell their resell ones. Anyway, It's just like the whole thing is is 294 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,880 genuinely insane and I'm about to actually like when I saw Taylor Swift in twenty 295 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,079 fifteen and actually how relatively easy it was to get tickets weep were just on 296 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,079 there at like the morning they went on sale, were all the tickets. 297 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:11,079 It sold out not long after. This was like high part, which is 298 00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:15,799 massive, but it was not you know, a war to get tickets. 299 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,640 That feels like there is genuinely like people who are like I just want to 300 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,319 say I was like, ticket mark should link it to your Spotify, so 301 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,759 only the people who listen to Taylor the most to be able to get tickets. 302 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:30,480 And I'm like, like that was the person saying that was one hundred 303 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,799 percent, And then people would just have streaming Taylor on a loop in their 304 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,039 sleep so they get their stats up, Like yeah, actually, I think 305 00:20:37,079 --> 00:20:41,000 it's fucking mental. How like I said, me as a casual Taylor Swift 306 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,680 enjoyer, they're playing multiple dates in my city with a band I love, 307 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,160 and it's like there is absolutely no chance And like I said, I don't 308 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,039 really care that much, but like I said, I do. You think 309 00:20:51,039 --> 00:20:53,920 it's quite sad how pop music and an artist like Taylor Swift, who is 310 00:20:53,920 --> 00:21:00,519 so omnipresent universal to everyone, it should be so accessible for like the people 311 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:03,359 who are the least invested in following music, I suppose. And somehow we've 312 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,039 reached a point where like that kind of experience of h, you know, 313 00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:11,759 if you just want to take your daughter along to go see Taylor Swift or 314 00:21:11,799 --> 00:21:14,680 something and maybe she'd watch Paramore and get something cool out of that, that 315 00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:19,240 experience is kind of less likely because the like actual what is the work that's 316 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:25,039 needed to go into being there is so fucking like inanely high. Yeah, 317 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,960 you need a fucking military tactic. Yeah, I follow with so many Swiftiason 318 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:34,119 is genuinely stressed for watching it. I'm not even always determined to not get 319 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,480 stressed about this. And they ended Paramour and I was like, oh, 320 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:42,400 I love Taylor Swift. I really like Paramore. I can't be fucked. 321 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:48,559 I'm stressed out. I don't even want to go the chance and it's yeah, 322 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:52,720 good luck for everyone. Yeah, I'm just very curiously I get how 323 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,519 long this goes on. At what point something gives because it's like you can't 324 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,559 operate like that forever. When in terms of like again the art that should 325 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:03,000 have the most amount of people go to their shows, it's just fucking mental. 326 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,279 This was a interesting slash if you are a kind of pessantist, slightly 327 00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:11,200 worrying story. I hope it doesn't come to that. But Leicestershire County Council 328 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:17,240 made a statement this week where they called the congestion the traffic congestion that happened 329 00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:19,839 around this year's Download Festival that we reported on a couple of weeks ago famously, 330 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:26,279 so they called it an absolute disaster, and one member of the council 331 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:30,559 said that they are normally pretty good at being able to manage that stuff, 332 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:33,920 and that's obviously the event has been going so long at this stage, but 333 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,839 this year they messed up big time, and they say something's got to change 334 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:40,599 for next year, otherwise I'll be pressing that the damn thing is canceled. 335 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:45,880 So you remember that again that something like that trafficspen around download is not only 336 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:48,160 for it's not any convidience the people who are trying to physically get to download 337 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,839 when I think it was almost kind of insula thing or people again worrying about 338 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,240 you know, obviously people who bought their tickets and couldn't get in and so 339 00:22:53,279 --> 00:22:59,799 on. But they said that apparently six hundred people missed flights because they couldn't 340 00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:03,359 get to airports in the surrounding area. It's mad because it's near. It's 341 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,000 right near the airport, isn't it. Like? Yeah, So congestions seriously 342 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:11,400 going to be something done with next year. I'm gonna talk about slipknot a 343 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,240 little bit now because Corey Taylor, as he always is, has been saying 344 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:17,519 some stuff in the press in the last week and a couple of different statements 345 00:23:17,559 --> 00:23:21,160 here. I suppose collectively we can talk about them because maybe kind of theorize 346 00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:23,480 a bit about Slipknot's future. I suppose because I think we all know what 347 00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:27,000 I think slipknot. We know they're gonna bear him for a few years, 348 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:30,200 right Like, it's not going to be Slipknot only retiring next year. They 349 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,480 have obviously just replaced a member and everything, so they're kind of in a 350 00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:37,960 place where they are going to be going for a few years at least. 351 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:42,279 But we are sort of like wondering whether they might be approaching the last couple 352 00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:47,079 of cycles or albums or whatever before winding down, and if we're going to 353 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,880 sort of theorize about what might happen after that. These Corey Tailor quotes I 354 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,160 thought were quite interesting. The first one that is that he says he thinks 355 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:59,799 he has about five years left of touring with Slipknot because of the physical intensity 356 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,640 that goes into it. He also said that if Slipnot wanted to continue past 357 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,160 that point without him, he would help them find a replacement. I don't 358 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,440 see that happening, right Like, when someone like Corey Taylor throws in the 359 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:17,960 towel. I imagine Slipno done. You can't do that. He is like 360 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:25,200 the voice of a generation pretty much, isn't he? In very superlative terms. 361 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,200 Somewhat. Yeah, he's one of the great metal vocalists for my money. 362 00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:32,559 Yeah, you're not gonna get and as Cole Phenie back, are you? 363 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:38,240 I mean he's been part enough, hasn't he? And I feel like 364 00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:42,839 Slipknot, I've been talking about retiring for about ten years. It has been 365 00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:45,200 a little while now, Yeah, which is why again you always take this 366 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:48,960 off with a grain of salt. The reason I suppose I thought it'd be 367 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,000 interested to throw in here is just again, if we were to wonder what 368 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:53,599 happens after Slipknot retires, whenever that may be, whether it's in five years, 369 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,519 where it's in ten, fifteen, whatever. He also said in a 370 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:02,160 I believe a different quote this that he still, you know, is on 371 00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:07,559 good terms with his Stone Sour X bandmates, but that he has absolutely no 372 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,799 interest in reviving that band right now. And he says it's because at this 373 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,599 kind of stage in his career, he doesn't feel like compromising the music he 374 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,200 wants to make in the way that he felt he did in that band. 375 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,119 So I think what you can imagine is whenever slipmot throw in the towel, 376 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,960 let's say five years like he does whatever, Stone Sour not going to be 377 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,039 coming back. Instead, Corey Taylor Solo is what you can really imagine him 378 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:34,319 throwing himself into and Samuel pulling a face. I think the thing with Corey 379 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:40,160 Taylor Solo versus Corey Taylor Stone Sour is Stone Sour. I've said this before, 380 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,480 but I think I find it mad almost how the world kind of collectively 381 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,000 forgot about Stones Sour. Because for someone like myself and you know, like 382 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,960 maybe you mark as well, like people growing up with heavy music. In 383 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:52,680 kind of the late two thousand's early twenty tens, Stones Shower felt more present 384 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,799 than Slipknot in terms of like regular just like appearances and activity and yeah, 385 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:00,400 for a couple of years, definitely. Yeah, It's like that between All 386 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,359 Hope Is Gone and the great Chapters stones Hower just like everywhere, and in 387 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,319 the last few years it's like no one ever thinks or talks about stones Hour. 388 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,720 It's just like they completely wiped themselves from their memory. But Corey Taylor 389 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:19,119 Solo is like a mix of like quite decently done radio rock in the vein 390 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,799 of the stone Hour stuff and then quite bad ideas when he vas the stuff 391 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:27,359 that Stonesourer would never do. So that's the compromise that maybe he's talking about. 392 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,920 I think that is obviously like when he's not doing it under any recognized 393 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,720 name Mike stones Sawer, he does have that higher creative freedom. I just 394 00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:44,599 think for Corey Taylor that's maybe not a good thing. Yeah, well it's 395 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,079 given the benefit of the doubt and see if anything sort of positive comes out 396 00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:49,799 of it. But yeah, just a post slipknot if that is within five 397 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:55,400 years, I think again you could probably see more individual projects like Corey Taylor, 398 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:56,759 so are kind of stelling out with it. We're going to talk about 399 00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:00,119 a little bit of music that doesn't come from anyone from the metal world, 400 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:06,559 but rather a just global, you know, star dabbling in our world once 401 00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:11,960 again, because we spoke in a lot recently about hip hop artists and mainstream 402 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:17,039 rappers making bizarre metal turns. I think perhaps there was a little pump heavy 403 00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:19,839 metal ship whatever that song was called from a little while ago, but this 404 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:26,680 week little Loozy vert just I think surprise dropped but certainly released their new album. 405 00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:29,319 It's going to be huge. It's going to be all over the Billboard 406 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,480 charts when we look at the you know, the top one hundred next week 407 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:34,279 everything. He's one of the they're one of those fucking huge tier artists. 408 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:42,519 But the album features tracks that have Bring Me the Horizon and baby Metal on 409 00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:47,960 them, plus something else that we're talking about at a moment. But these 410 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,039 tracks with little loosey v I think I think it's mad that again, peering 411 00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:55,680 over to the hip hop world, I think there's been a lot of people 412 00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:00,960 kind of freaking the fuck out over these songs because they're not with this stuff. 413 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,279 And that's if you are a just purely like a mainstream hip hop fan 414 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:07,920 and you listen to, you know, trap, and that's your kind of 415 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,960 primary thing that you listen to. These bring Me the Horizon and baby Metal 416 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,680 songs turning up on that album would be a right head fuck, because my 417 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:19,039 god, they're different, and they don't like skimp on the heaviness either. 418 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,279 They go like, they literally don't sound a little loosey vert songs. They're 419 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:26,960 just Bring Me the Horizon and baby Metal songs. I think I've criticisms. 420 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,599 I've seen the summons that they oozy vert stuff on them doesn't really actually add 421 00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:34,720 to them. But it's just like having these songs appear on his cool good 422 00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:38,440 for them, That's what I like. I like the bring Me song because 423 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,160 it just sounds like a bring me song, Like I think it's one of 424 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,319 the bed bring Me songs sound ages, isn't it. It's properly like greamy 425 00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:52,319 chorus that they've been lacking. I think as well, it is just a 426 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,160 death tone song. But yeah, but if them doing like a kind of 427 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,000 a heavy death tone song like shove It or something like that, Yeah, 428 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:04,319 Elite or something, Yeah, I think it's a banger. I have very 429 00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:08,839 little kind of knowledge of Lilziver and what they kind of sound like outside of 430 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:14,039 these songs, but they're like little wrapped film it is, you know if 431 00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:17,440 I it kind of clearly grounds the song in what Liluza does. But the 432 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,480 Bringing the Horizon part was like, I like this more than a lot of 433 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:23,759 Again, I still think Bringing the Brizon have a huge identity crisis where I 434 00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:27,440 don't know what brings the eries and sound like anymore because they just chameleon into 435 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,240 whatever man they want to be, but they do a good job of it 436 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:33,319 here. I will fully admit that, Yeah, I just can't believe it's 437 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:37,640 not only a Bringing the Horizon song just on this little Luzavent album, But 438 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,240 it is, like I said, the heaviest Bringing the Horizon song we have 439 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:45,799 heard in fucking years, like literally approaching a decade. The only thing in 440 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:48,079 that time that's as heavy as this would be like Dear Die Diary, which 441 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:51,599 was like a minute long or some shit like it's mental. And then the 442 00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:56,440 baby Metal song is mad even by their standards. That's like an assault, 443 00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:59,119 like the glitch, drum and bass all over it. The fact that it's 444 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,559 on this album that's large been listened to by you know, rap rap fans. 445 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:08,319 This mental like J pop, fucking drum and bass metal just attack. 446 00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:15,440 It's quite something. It's so full on. I was saying, I went 447 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,920 for a little chill walk in the woods earlier. I was listening to like 448 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,680 Hex Vessel, and I thought and listen to these little USI Vert songs, 449 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,559 expecting them to be a bit more focused on the trap. So yeah, 450 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:33,200 and when that baby Metal song kicked in, I nearly tripped over. I 451 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,880 can't believe that they've gotten away with this, you know what I mean, 452 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,920 it's so hyperactive, Like I go, I think this is like not as 453 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,440 good as what baby Metal can do. But I don't think take over anything 454 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:52,119 on the last album rect fairly well in terms of it's not below stand. 455 00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:56,680 I don't even know if it's attempting to be a good song. That's what 456 00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,720 I think. I think they kind of just wanted to go like, can 457 00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:03,759 we be our most sorchaotic baby male selves and just thrust that onto an audience 458 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:07,559 who mart have only heard baby mel through like that one time Give Me Chocolate 459 00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:11,519 went really viral. And so when they're doing something that's even more kind of 460 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:18,960 like dialed up to eleven hyperactive, just like hybrid voices hammering away at you, 461 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:22,920 it's a jarring kind of like thing to put in front of an audience, 462 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:23,680 you might be ready for it. Yeah, And so the fact that 463 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:30,240 those songs with those artists appeal of this album is like almost your subterfuge. 464 00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:33,839 Just put that in the mainstream, why you're not? And that is again 465 00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:37,680 there's a level of respect that comes with that. And then there is a 466 00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:42,680 cover of Chop Suey, which is one of the worst things I think any 467 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:48,200 of us will have heard this year, Like it's misguided all about you know, 468 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,920 respect and again give them the kind of the fair play card of like 469 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,599 you know you're having a goal you are They did a cool wrestling song on 470 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,119 the album as well, but yeah, absolutely, But the instrumental he's literally 471 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:06,440 just chop suey right, like it's like album version chop Suey and then he's 472 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,640 just auto tune karaokeing all over it. The most baffling part to me is 473 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,240 the whole bridge You're the why have you forsake? And mean that whole part. 474 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,839 They just leave it empty. It's like they've forgotten about it and just 475 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,240 got up and left, like very confusingly for a hip hop artists when so 476 00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:23,559 much fuckers on them to just leave the bridge instrumental like that, and then 477 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:30,880 at the end as it finishes, they just throw in wake Up, just 478 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:36,200 out of nowhere. I like love was the one bit I liked the thing 479 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,000 that like rephrase minute is changing the timing of the chorus with the whether every 480 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,440 time. I'm just like that that just that sounds really wrong and I'm like, 481 00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:45,480 fair enough, you know when you want to put your in it, 482 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,559 but I just every time it happens, I was like, oh, it 483 00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:51,960 just sounds like again. I don't like the outrationed vocals on that, like 484 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,119 they're they're bad. But yeah, like I don't think even the hip hop 485 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,079 fans like this. I think this is again is this is a misguided but 486 00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:02,680 bad eye, badly executed. Yeah, I was. I was wondering about 487 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,920 that because I wondered if it was just my attachment to Chop Sue meant that 488 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:12,759 fucking around with the melody of it just felt so nice. There's a lot 489 00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:15,480 of just fucking around here, isn't it. Yeah, the auto tune is 490 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:22,039 so ugly, and you say, it's just like the album version instrumental of 491 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,640 Chop Sue. It sounds gutless though it has zero punch to it. It's 492 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,720 just everything about it is a complete downgrade. Yeah, you should check out 493 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,960 those Baby Mountain and Bringing the Horizon tunes that are on this album if they 494 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:38,079 wouldn't have otherwise coming away, because they are quite something. This is Maybe 495 00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:44,240 Lastica proudly present a complete and comprehensive tour of the United Kingdom and Europe, 496 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,799 and it is three dates that two hasn't three festival right to Rown festival and 497 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,200 a festival in Belgium as well. That's it complete and comprehensive, all places 498 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:58,640 covered. Yeah, even Iron Maiden get up there. And then we do 499 00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:01,359 also have to sadly thought the news that Rick Froeberg, the frontman of the 500 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,640 band Drive Out Ye, who passed away this week A drive Out you who, 501 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,440 a man who were not really spoken about individually super often on TNM. 502 00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:13,440 But again this name stuck out to me so much because when there Jimmy World 503 00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:16,079 Special last year, we spoke about them as being a big influence there um 504 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,960 as members of that band became, you know, regular collaborators with Jimmy Eat 505 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:24,679 World, with producing albums and whatnot, and so for that world of kind 506 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,400 of emo and rock and so one drive at Yeah, who's certainly a a 507 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:34,519 significant band. So again, Condolen says there to the passing of Rick Froberg, 508 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,840 questions this week, James Bentley is going to kick us off asking inspired 509 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:45,559 by skinned decorated game venues like crime scenes and playing true crime documentary between sets. 510 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:46,599 I don't know who that is skinned, whether that's a band or a 511 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:51,760 venue or they supported most of us in no eistein Kiels recently. I think 512 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,360 they're kind of like a goffey industrial kind of okay thing right, what is 513 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,719 the most fully immersive gig experience you've ever been to? M This was one 514 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,559 where, like you think about maybe it gets environmental like that, decorating it 515 00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:07,880 like crime scenes. Haven't had so much experience of that. I've been into 516 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,880 cool venues like you know, churches and stuff like that that have added things. 517 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,920 And there are certain bands so I really want to see, you know, 518 00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:15,840 people rave out like you know, high lung and stuff like that as 519 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,239 a kind of experience I've not seen, but I've just got to think about 520 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,719 bands who kind of in their own way make you feel like you're part of 521 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,039 a world like that. I mean, like Death Grips Outbreak was pretty immersive 522 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,880 kind of the oppressive lightning and everything, So like that kind of trick and 523 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,559 that kind of just experience to fully pull you into a performance. There are 524 00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:35,519 some real standard bearer bands in kind of the you know, extreme corners like 525 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,320 arm and Rah and Celeste that kind of experience, spectral voice, that kind 526 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,000 of very low lit they don't use any overheads, that kind of thing. 527 00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:45,559 So that's just pure dark and dingy drag. The sunlight is the most like 528 00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:50,480 wildly visceral one of those, where they have this kind of cat like candle 529 00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:52,960 larbers on the stage behind them. That's like the again, the only lighting. 530 00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:53,880 They all face the back of the stage, and it just kind of 531 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:59,800 pulls you in really brilliantly and then watt in, particularly when there's lots of 532 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,800 fire, so like Bloods twenty eighteen for example, when it's so unrelentingly like 533 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,360 hellish that you can't feel like you're anywhere else but inside that show. And 534 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,519 then a very simple one, but I always think about it as again a 535 00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:14,719 stand bearer for this. It's Wolf and the Throne Room, who whenever you 536 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,159 see them, they just like kit Again. Lighting is very kind of naturalistic 537 00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:22,519 and very woodsy. But they kick the stage out with so much incense that 538 00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:27,920 just like again, just flows into your fucking sign napses that really just puts 539 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,760 you in there and you know, again watching wasn't thrown room at Damnation last 540 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,079 year. I literally came back and I bought a bunch of incense just because 541 00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:36,840 I was like, I want to live in the fucking Wolf and the Throne 542 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,920 Room show a little bit more It's such a simple trick, but I always 543 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,840 feel like I'm fully there. So again, maybe more pair down, not 544 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,760 doing a fucking escape room like this band you were talking about it seemed to 545 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,639 be doing. But tricks like that do work, well, what about you 546 00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:51,679 guys. Yeah, again, I've not really been too much that. One 547 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,440 of the only ones that can think of was Puppy when they put out on 548 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,239 their debut and they pull on the singles which was like a whole cult theme 549 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,239 like joining up this like just cult thing, and one of them up there, 550 00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:05,400 Hazel, and they had the whole venue decked out of like like it 551 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,159 was this cult sort of service provid creep. I was creep with Devenal where 552 00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:15,800 they did a secret release show from the first album and they did it as 553 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,039 a funeral where they had like a funeral services She's hand out because they were 554 00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:22,519 retiring certain songs. So like, those are ones I've seen which always been 555 00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:27,480 quite fun. Otherwise, Yeah, like one of the bands we can't really 556 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,239 talk about the moment because of problems. They you know, are able to 557 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:36,559 pull you into that industrial hellscape of like Basic Ramstein, you know that like 558 00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:38,920 one of something, and they had that very immersive kind of like you were 559 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,840 in the factory, in the furnace with them basically. Otherwise, Yeah, 560 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,840 what taine is a good one that you said, But many others that really 561 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:51,559 sprang to mind. No, I don't think of the only thing I could 562 00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:57,400 think of is in twenty sixteen, I saw Moguay in Coventry in this like 563 00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:02,719 old church. In twenty six they did like the soundtrack to a movie called 564 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,679 Atomic. I barely remember anything about it, but they did this show in 565 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:14,039 this church and conventry that was like visuals from the film while they played the 566 00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:19,280 soundtrack along. Sure, basically in the dark and the only lighting was the 567 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,960 projection, and it was really cool and atmospheric, and there was a big 568 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:28,800 crescendo bit when there was like visuals of atomic bombs. So that was quite 569 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,559 cool. Yeah, I mean that's a very good answer. Shamas O Sandair 570 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,920 asked what's your favorite concept album in terms of the story it tells. I 571 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,039 love a good concept album, but generally the actual storytelling tends to be the 572 00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:45,880 weakest part. I mean, Sam gold Blood, isn't it. No, 573 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:49,280 I'm either going to say you're gonna fuck this off, as you know for 574 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,920 prog nerds, or come up with something that Bruce Springsteen made. No, 575 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:57,440 like I mean above obviously it being in gold Blood by Kids. Correct answer. 576 00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:00,400 The actual answer is going to give his War of the worlds. Oh, 577 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,960 Jeff, Yeah, yeah, that is because that is a concept album. 578 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,960 It's like it's a prog rock album and it does. It's my favorite 579 00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:12,400 version of that story. Yeah, it's it's almost like as much a play 580 00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:14,760 as an album. You know it is, But I would still consider, 581 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,039 like I was kind of double checking it. I was like, does it 582 00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:20,480 kinds of concept album? According to the Yes, it is a concept album, 583 00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:22,199 So no, I was gonna like I do think Jeff Winds All the 584 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:27,840 World is just that thing extra perfectly because it is even through the music, 585 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,000 like not just through the lyrics, but through the music. When we when 586 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,400 we did the Halloween special, mosings about you know that the ulahs and like 587 00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:38,079 the certain guitar sounds and instrumentals being the lasers and the machines rising up. 588 00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:42,599 It is an amazing version of that. That is a great show. I 589 00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:45,400 actually bought that on final or like a couple of days ago, and I'm 590 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,079 actually going to pop that on after this. Yeah, I'd love to have 591 00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:55,119 that. Yeah, I don't know. I I love a lot of albums 592 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:58,800 that are concept albums, but I don't relieve. Like I was listening to 593 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,840 Emperor of Sound today before I can solve this question, and like, I 594 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:07,360 don't even know what that album's about. Um my one answer. This is 595 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:16,719 so embarrassing. There's a Dashboard Confessional from two thousand and one called so Impossible, 596 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,639 which is just about each track is basically a different part of the start 597 00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:28,960 of a relationship, where track one is developing a crush and then Tractor's asking 598 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:35,559 them out and like discovering you like each other. Track three is preparing further 599 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,280 date someone writing a parody of Dashboard Confessional and like, oh, I have 600 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,960 to wear the right shirt. It does my hair okay. And then the 601 00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:45,920 last song is going on the date and having the best out of your life 602 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:51,639 and it's really sweet. Sure it's cheesy, it's dashboard Confessional, but it 603 00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:55,840 touches my heart. It's such a sweet, like innocent little concept of TP. 604 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,960 God, absolutely fuck that. I mean, I can't believe that no 605 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:05,280 one just went yeah the wall right like obvious stuff like that, you know, 606 00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:07,440 mastered on again you mentioned Embro sand They've got a few of them concepts, 607 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,960 the one that I think again, in terms of the story it tells, 608 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,360 Crack the Guy is like the most out there, you know, the 609 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,320 kind of it's a really mad thing to come out with when it's a you 610 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,840 know, a lot of it's processing real familial death and stuff like that. 611 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,599 But like Jump it like a paraplegic astral projecting through dimensions and meeting Rasputin always 612 00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:29,639 kind of shit is crazy. But in terms of again, an actual an 613 00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:32,719 album where I genuinely am caught up in the not just the great music like 614 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,159 lots of concept albums, but also the yea I was going for ones that 615 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,360 it is the story. Yeah, the storytelling. It's always Abigail to me, 616 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,480 And I'm surprised you didn't mention this Mark. Yeah, now you said 617 00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:45,320 that Abigail was such great, shout god. King Diamond is the King, 618 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,239 and then he's got a bunch of them. Like The Eye is another brilliant 619 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,280 one as well that people don't talk about so much. But that's one where 620 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,320 it's like these girls like they discover like an orb or a necklace or something, 621 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,039 and it allows them to see into the past and they're in like this 622 00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:00,320 kind of like monastery and they're looking back at like you know, witch burnings 623 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,760 and like all this kind of shady shit that's going on in this church, 624 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,880 all this like great stuff like that, because King Diamond has this theater in 625 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,639 his voice and his delivery that really hooks you onto the actual act of storytelling. 626 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:15,199 And Abigail as a French back experience is the masterclass in that because everything 627 00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:17,639 about that from you know, the kind of the arrival at the house, 628 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,280 the way that King Diamond like embodies like the spirits and ghosts and stuff that 629 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,960 are like jumping out of the house. When he just does shit like take 630 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,519 a look into the vault and all this kind of like brilliant stuff. It's 631 00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:32,000 like it he puts the image of the album in your head. He's putting 632 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,559 in like fucking overtime on that record to really conjure up everything about it and 633 00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:39,199 all the way through to you know, the ending with the Black Horseman and 634 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:45,239 the Abigail the spirit kind of you know, being reborn then like cast back. 635 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:50,840 All this kind of shit is he is so fully selling it to you 636 00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:52,760 that I think it is the most for me, the most like enjoyable. 637 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:58,119 I am hooked into what's actually happening in the narrative of this album compared to 638 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,039 any mirrored the ones where I don't know what the fuck coded in Camber were 639 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:04,360 talking about. Yeah, you know that, like that is exactly. I 640 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:09,519 think he's a great shot for playing the characters and transforming himself as across the 641 00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:14,679 record and he becomes a ghost. That is that is the show. I 642 00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:16,960 can't believe ye think about that. Cradle Felf have someones as well, liked 643 00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:22,239 Sorry Cruelty and the Beast is a concept album even later God's been on the 644 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,400 Double Thunder, I think really brilliantly kind of there's a story there about the 645 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,000 kind of Gilda Ree you know figure and like you know, his romance with 646 00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,159 Joan of Arc and then him going on and murdering kids, like all the 647 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:31,840 kind of bullshit, but atmospherically and the sorry tell like it does bring you 648 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:37,199 into it. Charlemagne. Of course I shared the Saxon men um, but 649 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,599 yeah, the best one is Abigail definitely. I think in terms of the 650 00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:44,639 pure joy of storytelling um and I think that there are people who you know, 651 00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:46,079 could do one, and like Trevis Sternad would have done a great one 652 00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:49,159 if because he was had that storyteller in him, and he did it with 653 00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:52,840 individual songs, um and something like Ritual had a kind of theme. But 654 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,679 in terms of like a through line narrative, if he'd put his mind into 655 00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:58,840 that, I think he would have done a standout one. This this question 656 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,480 requires a bit of context because this comes out of discussion we were having on 657 00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:05,960 our discord. But MJW. Fox asks, do you think that the current 658 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,880 patchwork of labels if healthy in that way or not? And what we were 659 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:13,920 talking about there is we were talking about it came out of a discussion about 660 00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:17,079 if we would ever consider a record label of the Year category in our end 661 00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:21,400 of year awards show, and I said, it's it's a nice idea, 662 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,639 but it'd probably be more boring that in actuality, because it would very likely 663 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:30,840 just go to like one of the kind of giant labels like a nuclear blast 664 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,800 or you know, road around a central media, a road or not in 665 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,440 a great place at the moment kind of those type labels. And particularly like 666 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,519 we look at someone like nuclear blast or central media or napalm, it's like, 667 00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:43,000 objectively, they have like the largest rosters of stuff that's in you know, 668 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,039 the kind of seal that we cover, so of course they're going to 669 00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:46,800 have the most amout of great stuff on it, and there would just be 670 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,559 the sort of repeat of like time and time again. And when it comes 671 00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:52,440 to even smaller labels like it would just be you know, people love to 672 00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:54,760 twenty buckspin in place like that, and we're just kind of repeating that own 673 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,159 and again, So it wouldn't be actually that interesting. But when it comes 674 00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:01,800 to again talking about those big labels that are kind of independent from you know, 675 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,519 it's not major labels anymore, but it is almost like major labels for 676 00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:08,960 metal right like nucleb Blast and Road around those type places. Do you think 677 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,519 that the current patchwork of labels is healthy in that way or not. There 678 00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:15,440 seems to be something on every level that bands are at from DIY locals to 679 00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:19,119 establish legacy labels for the biggest bands, but it still feels outside for bands 680 00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:21,800 at the top in that it's an ultimate destination for bands to end up on 681 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,039 a Nuclear Blast, Metal Blade, etc. Unless they have their own label 682 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,360 or are mainstream enough for a major. I guess I wonder what limitations that 683 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:35,639 places on the scene. So the fact that bands, like particularly metal bands 684 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,320 so rarely actually jump up to major labels anymore, and instead there are like 685 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:44,199 these conglomerate kind of like I said, major for metal labels like NUCLEB Blast 686 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,760 that kind of just sign everything I suppose apposed to get to lay like something 687 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,880 like spine Farm, which is obviously links to a major, but it's they're 688 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,519 kind of like where they'll shuffle off the metal bands to the side. I 689 00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:58,559 guess this is just one of the things. You just know that the major 690 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:01,920 labels aren't the destination. More so, when you get to your yeah, 691 00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:06,360 Nuke of US and Roadrunners, you you in a healthy position where at least 692 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,000 you know that your records are going to get a decent platform, and it 693 00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:13,519 just feels at least there is you know, something along the way underneath them 694 00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:16,119 where you've got a Church Roads or twenty buckspinnings to say that there are all 695 00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:21,480 these kind of ssations you've even got you know, Pure Noise and UNFD and 696 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,960 that, which are really sort of good intermediate ones as well. So like 697 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,880 I think there is a nice right range of coverage, and I just think, 698 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,519 yeah, I should have accept the ceiling is there at this point, 699 00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:32,760 and it's you have to be the biggest of the big to ever have a 700 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,440 chance of breaking from. Yeah, there are things that are popped up, 701 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,599 like Loam of Vista is one that like growing up as a metal fan and 702 00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:40,559 kind of like the late two thousands, early twenty tens, you didn't really 703 00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:43,960 hear about Loma Vista much, but now you know the way they have what 704 00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:46,079 I think like the ghost that are on Loam of Vista and you know, 705 00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:50,440 we were outbreaking they had those adverts up for the promotions for like military gun 706 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,400 and showing me the body and all that kind of thing that almost like a 707 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:58,039 crossover between the mainstream and kind of the alternative rock world. I think that 708 00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:01,440 stuff is quite cool. But yeah, it is strange how metal bands in 709 00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:07,599 particular don't sign too major labels anymore. And again somewhere like Roadrunner, which 710 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:08,960 has you know, the biggest of the big or as you know had had 711 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,800 like Slipknot and a Nickelback and so on, technically not a major label. 712 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:20,559 It's just kind of there is this huge ceiling of gargantuan independent labels for metal 713 00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:23,199 that sign everything, but they feel so large and comparison again into the small 714 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:28,360 ones. I think it's almost like the risk of like bands really feel safer 715 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,039 going to a massive metal label rather than going on a major because you know, 716 00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:36,320 there was a weird feeling like the investment. If it doesn't sort of 717 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,519 pay off, they get dropped, whereas I feel they put it a bit 718 00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:43,559 more security of them going to a more kind of like known in the metal 719 00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:45,519 scene label like Roadrunner. Yeah, I think it's one of those things where 720 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:52,199 it's it's obviously it's it's an overall industry picture. The fact that like rock 721 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,719 bands in general stopped being signed to major labels and stuff so often. So 722 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,559 again, if you can sort of subterfuge it something like Loama Vista or whatever, 723 00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:04,719 or a spine Farm, then that's that's I think a really cool thing. 724 00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:07,599 But in terms of these like huge again Nuclear Blast, Century Medias or 725 00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:10,760 whatever, at the very least, the reason those labels have gotten so as 726 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,400 big as they are is the fact that they are the ones that have the 727 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,199 resources to cope, you know, sign and cope with so many metal bands 728 00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:22,280 and someone who aren't going to have those resources given to them by the mainstream. 729 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,920 So sure, there are there's a couple of like absolutely huge ones that 730 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,440 kind of take in everything, and people talk about sort of homogenized nuclear blast 731 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:36,599 or whatever. But those resources aren't being spared by anyone in the actual kind 732 00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:38,519 of major label system. So at the very least, I think the reason 733 00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:42,679 those labels have gotten so big is the fact that they have been able to 734 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,800 become like the biggest fish in the small pond, right, And I think 735 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,039 just the fact that someone has those resources to give to kind of self sustain 736 00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:52,079 a scene like that. You know, you'd rather have them than than not 737 00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:57,119 have them. So those are the thoughts there, and then Johnny Bass asks 738 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,840 this was urged an ask of what album calls you to go through this process, 739 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,599 and it was a link to a Hard Times article of five stages of 740 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:09,239 accepting your favorite band New album sucks. So the idea here is basically albums 741 00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:15,880 that I suppose when they came out were disappointments, but at first you were 742 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,719 kind of in denial about it, and you kind of went through this stage 743 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,760 of, like, you know, trying to process that it might not actually 744 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,559 be as good as you hoped it was, and bargaining and so on, 745 00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:28,960 until eventually coming to a conclusion that actually this isn't actually up to it. 746 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,559 Mark you must have had this so many times, like several albums. Imagine 747 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:39,280 must have gone through this. Oh yeah, I think I don't know, 748 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:45,599 because I even I still liked rather Jude and Hurley and stuff. Unfortunately you 749 00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:50,960 were along for the ride for this, so you might remember this. Yeah, 750 00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:54,440 I'm sure I can remember certain instances. That's the spirit for me, 751 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,920 that's one of my picks, is that's spirit. Yeah. It was like 752 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:05,840 years of fluctuating how I felt and like being so passionately like, oh no, 753 00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:09,519 maybe follow you is good. Actually no, come on to hating it 754 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:15,119 to like, oh you know, it's all right, which is sort of 755 00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:17,519 where I'm there. I'm like, I don't hate that's the spirit as much 756 00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:21,119 as I did, but I also don't like it as much as I was 757 00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:27,559 telling myself I did. It was a rocky, rocky a couple of years 758 00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:31,599 for me. I mean, I've got again loads act from from a load 759 00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:37,599 of the the brit rock bands that Pern loves so much. Start the play 760 00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:40,880 By the Black album one that like again like not a good album. I 761 00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:45,039 I the times why I try it is actually that bad. No, it's 762 00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:47,639 a bad album. Temper Temper is one. I absolutely when that came out, 763 00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:52,320 I was temper Temper whether I almost could. There are songs on it 764 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,639 I think are okay, and maybe at the first I was like, yoh, 765 00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:57,760 these ones are all right, and then it kind of cold to go 766 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,679 out to dawn on me how black. Most of the album was yeah, 767 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,320 no, no, it was that I because again but if one of my 768 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,280 favorite bands at that point, and I wasn't quite ready to admit they'd aboutely 769 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,719 fucked it, and so I was trying to like find ways. But no, 770 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,719 you know, this song is actually quite the title tracks. You know, 771 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,280 it's good, it's kind of cool, it's got a riff, but 772 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:22,840 no and kind of preempting. But I've got a bad feeling in my timue 773 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,880 about the upcoming Excerpts album. I feel like it's gonna make me have this 774 00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:30,559 whole thing happen with a band too. I really don't want it to be. 775 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,920 Yeah, my brain doesn't really work this way so much. I mean, 776 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,559 I wondered whether one of you might say, one of the bring the 777 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,880 albums again. That's the spirit I've basically just always liked like I like that, 778 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,400 I still like it now and my brain doesn't really do this where there 779 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:50,000 are albums that I guess maybe I overestimated when they first dropped, and later 780 00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,880 I recognized the cracks in the more the Great Silence in the Snow. Yeah. 781 00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:57,239 No, That's album has always been great, and I think history has 782 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,119 told some of us because they fixed that album by doing the things that were 783 00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:04,440 baving. Yeah, but the idea that it was like irredeemable, it shows 784 00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:06,960 how strong the core of it was. What I was gonna say it was 785 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,639 the Great Chapter by Slip, which is an album that when it dropped out, 786 00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:10,360 I was like, oh my god, this is amazing, which is 787 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,400 probably part of the fact that it was my first album experienced on releasing everything 788 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,800 and then maybe twenty first every breakdown by Green Day is one where I loved 789 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,559 it at the time and then that sort of opened up some of the cracks 790 00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:24,559 more in it. But those are still albums I like. Overall. When 791 00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:29,000 bands I've dropped, like genuine Turkeys, I tend to don't do this thing 792 00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:32,000 where I go with it immediately and then later kind of have to, you 793 00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:36,599 know, reassess myself and go actually, know you're an idiot, like you 794 00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:37,679 know, the New Event Down, for example, I didn't go through a 795 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:43,159 process with that. Maybe maybe kind of danger days is another way, like 796 00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:45,280 I immediately came out and I just immediately kind of dropped off. I didn't 797 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,639 have that going through it um that, you know, the Last Night Wish 798 00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:52,360 album nine by Late, when theed to do any of the green day post 799 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,920 twenty fi century breakdown, I didn't have this experience of kind of having to 800 00:52:55,519 --> 00:53:00,360 very painfully detach myself from it. Um you know, I was in on 801 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,079 Wasting Light, and I don't remember have to tear myself apart from Sonic Highways 802 00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:06,079 very much going oh no, it is as good as Wasting Light. It 803 00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:10,800 just came and didn't grab me. And I almost have the opposite thing, 804 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,599 where like when it comes to someone like news, for example, it's more 805 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:20,039 programming myself to just accept and go along with the bullshit instead of like holding 806 00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:22,320 it to the old standard. So my brain doesn't really work this way. 807 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,519 I knew that Mark, you would have loads of the because I've witnessed them. 808 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,039 Yeah. No, I can't even pretend to be cool and be like, 809 00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:32,840 oh yeah, I just go with the flow. I sort of accept 810 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:38,239 albums as they are. I am such an emotional listener. I'm with you 811 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,920 Mark on this. Don't worry. Yeah, we just listened with our hearts. 812 00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:49,679 That's our problem, right. The Patreon, that's a little patreon we 813 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,519 are going to be doing some stuff with over the next couple of weeks. 814 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,679 We were going to be doing the eight that of Awful this coming week. 815 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,719 You were noticed that Elliott is not with us. Elliot has gone on holiday, 816 00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,239 and so what we are going to be doing is this kind of week, 817 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,159 myself and Sam are going to be doing a tnnd's horror on the new 818 00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:05,320 release. It's coming out this Friday. We haven't seen it yet, but 819 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,800 we're going to talk about the new Insidious movie. And at the same time 820 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,559 we're talking about the first couple of Insidious movies as well, which is it 821 00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:14,480 almost seems like a small one in comparison to you know, we've been doing 822 00:54:14,519 --> 00:54:16,519 this. It's a nice relax yeah, compared to you know, Ry as 823 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,880 with Aarry Astro was kind of thing in these huge episodes. But at the 824 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,159 same time, Insidious is another of like the most significant influential franchises of the 825 00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:28,360 past twenty years. So it's going to be good too, particularly again talk 826 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,800 about that first movie and what it did and so on, and then ask 827 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,320 if the new ones, any good yadda yadder, then with the three of 828 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,760 us again Mark here, we are going to be doing another of last year's 829 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,440 summer album Roulettes while Elliott is still away, and then when Eliot returns, 830 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,760 we will be doing the ad todd of Awful. I promise new sign ups 831 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:46,920 who have come to us in the last week or so, thank you very 832 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,079 much. It keeps us going. It's so appreciated. If you want to 833 00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:52,920 get in on any of the stuff we have described, there were also has 834 00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:55,239 said we have other tends, horrors, we have huge band specials that we've 835 00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:59,760 done, most recently the one part special one Oathbreaker, but also bleeding through 836 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:01,880 this year. Last year we did do Meet Weld as mentioned earlier, all 837 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,480 sorts of good stuff going on. If you want to talk about the ebbs 838 00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:07,719 and flows, the ups and downs, the emotional highs and lows of the 839 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:14,159 Weezer back catalog. Boy did we do a lot on Weezer not too long 840 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,800 ago. That is a lot patron of the common slash that's not metal. 841 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,280 The release rounder for this week it's a pretty small one, which I think 842 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,320 is good because it means maybe this week I'll finally get round to listening to 843 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:30,039 the two hour Swans album. But will Haven are back with I Believe that's 844 00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:32,000 seven in Roman numerals. Always a good, reliable band, will Haven. 845 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,519 They've been pretty solid since they returned maybe a decade or so ago, so 846 00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:39,159 cool stuff there. I think the most exciting stuff in terms of heavy releases 847 00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:44,159 comes from black metal this time, particularly a band called Black Braid, who 848 00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:46,079 are getting a lot of kind of steam in the last year or two. 849 00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:50,639 They're currently on the Decibel Tour, or they just were on the Decibel Tour 850 00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:53,320 and there This is the follow up to their very well received first album, 851 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,800 This is Black Braid two. We may talk about that in our upcover Reviews 852 00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,639 episode. Perhaps also fen Uk black metal band, very long running, very 853 00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:05,480 reliable. They've also got a racored out called Monuments to Absence orso an extreme 854 00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:08,360 metal you want some kind of cosmic death metal, astral tomb and total spiritual 855 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:14,280 death. Most of what's out this week is stuff like blood Bound Tailed from 856 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,840 the North, which is just very European power metal. I saw this band, 857 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:22,440 I'm sure supporting Saboton once very in that vein and also the raven Age 858 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,599 with blood Omen, which is one of Iron Maiden's Children. I don't remember 859 00:56:27,639 --> 00:56:30,639 which one. Someone there maybe go for a long time now, and I 860 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:35,599 haven't done anything remotely interesting as of yet, but they are still there and 861 00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:38,280 they have a new album. And also, don't quote me on this, 862 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:43,039 but I think I have seen that we have kind of through the grapevine that 863 00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:49,519 there should be an EP dropping today from then other than Better Lovers every time 864 00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:53,000 I escape plan supergroup situation with more music than just the one song they put 865 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,800 out a little while ago, and I'm sure for a lot of you that 866 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:59,039 will be something just to rinse all fucking day. Basically the one thing I 867 00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:01,079 might listen to before the Speak Now Taylor's version, oh yeah, which we 868 00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:05,559 should say speak Now. A Taylor version does have songs featuring Harry More, 869 00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:08,039 Fallout Boy, Hayley Williams and and our fall Out Boy as well. Maybe 870 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:13,760 it's a we Didn't Start the Fire featuring Taylor Swift the remix version that would 871 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,440 be absolutely wonderful. So go forth, let's do whatever you fancy. Thank 872 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,480 you very much for listening here on hyper Blast. We have been that stumbatal 873 00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:25,719 As said, we will have a summer album Roulette at the Insidious TLM does 874 00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:29,239 horror come to in the next couple of weeks of Awful not long after that 875 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,760 here on the kind of main feed, we'll be back with a hyperblast next 876 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,920 week. Before too long, we'll be that with big July album reviews as 877 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,360 well, So thank you very much for listening. We'll see you there for 878 00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:38,760 all of that. Cheers,