WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:03.120 All right, we continue on, Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on a five to 2 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:06.120 seventy LA Sports. If you're just jumping on, don't forget. We are 3 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.080 giving away sweet tickets for the game Saturday at the stadium against the Podres. 4 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:13.679 We'll do it between now and three o'clock. When we give you the computer 5 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:16.399 call, if you are the correct caller, you're going. And that's the 6 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:19.559 kind of people we are, Rodney, that's what we do. We give 7 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:23.839 away, fred You know what I'm saying. We give it away our listeners 8 00:00:23.879 --> 00:00:28.440 because you guys are loyal and we love you. But we got giveaway all 9 00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:33.079 the time we give away to it hurts. I'm in pain. I'm in 10 00:00:33.119 --> 00:00:36.880 pain. We give away so much, but you don't have a chance to 11 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:40.960 be Listen, Freddy, tell me if I'm wrong. We could just sit 12 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:44.000 here and when they throw it out, hey we got this, We got 13 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:46.960 that. We could just pocket that. We could keep it for ourselves. 14 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.799 We could go to the suite ourselves and just go to the game, take 15 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:53.000 our families and go hang out and have a good time. But what do 16 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:56.039 we do. We say, no, let's give it away to our people. 17 00:00:56.320 --> 00:00:59.280 Yes, let's give it away. Yes, right, that's what we 18 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:02.759 know. Mean we don't go. We don't use it for ourselves, which 19 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:06.400 we have every right to. We have every right to go to the game 20 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:10.079 when we get these things, these these tickets, these packages, whatever we 21 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:12.920 you know, may want, we can get it anytime we want to. 22 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:18.719 We can get it from Am five seventy Dave Weese just you know, he 23 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:21.599 loads us up on stuff. But what do we do. We give it 24 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:23.519 to the people. Fred, that's right, the people, and you don't 25 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:27.719 have a chance to win, so stay with us. And a man joining 26 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:32.319 us now has been a winner every day of his life. It is our 27 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:34.799 good friend who sat in the big chair, Ned Koletti and Ned, how 28 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:40.719 are you? What a wonderful introduction. Not sure it's accurate, but thank 29 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:42.840 you doing good getting ill tell you this, Net, I don't I know, 30 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:47.159 Fred says, sat like he's in the past. Is brother, you 31 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:49.480 always sitting in the big chair, big fella, you always in the big 32 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:56.319 chair, my man. Don't get it twisted at all. You guys are 33 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:59.760 kind. You guys are very kind. Been honored to know, yet honored 34 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:07.400 to come on your show every so often. Good stuff so yesterday, Ned, 35 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:09.080 Ned, No, my man, my man is like he thought he 36 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:13.400 thought it was. It was gonna be one fifty five and seven. That's 37 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:16.159 what he thought he was gonna be. You know what I mean, He's 38 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:19.919 gonna be one fifty five and seven. That's what he thought it was gonna 39 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:22.719 be. So he's a little he's a little panic man, all right. 40 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:25.199 So give me, give me your give me your take. So far, 41 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:30.439 ned, Listen, they've they've played what fifteen sixteen games so far, had 42 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:36.319 a couple of road trips. Your assessment of the Dodgers as they start the 43 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:39.759 season right now, Well, as we look at the offense, especially the 44 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:45.120 top half of it, I mean, it is as advertised show. Hey, 45 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:50.400 Hernandez, Betts, Freeman, Will Smith, even Max decent little average 46 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:54.360 going. You know. That's that's as probably as good as it gets. 47 00:02:54.400 --> 00:03:00.080 When you have those all clustered together. Your pitching is gonna trying to get 48 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:05.479 those guys out a little bit more out of CT three obviously, and Gavin 49 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:07.360 and uh, you know, I'll been good to see him hit a couple 50 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:12.879 of the other day. But you have almost a top two thirds of a 51 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:15.759 lineup that is like an all star team. You got to get the bottom 52 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:20.560 third going a little bit. Pitching I think has been good. I think 53 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:23.199 we see what with Glass now brings. I said, you know that that 54 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:27.759 is really exceptional. We knew this stuff was exceptional. In his case, 55 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:30.319 it's just a matter of keeping him on the mount. But he's been great. 56 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:35.919 Miller's been good, Yamamoto after the one starter has been excellent, Patson 57 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:38.360 has been okay. Grove and Stone, you know, I got to kind 58 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:42.080 of tee that up a little bit, a little bit better. But that's 59 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:46.680 all possible. But I think it's I think they're gonna run away with the 60 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:51.599 West and I think Atlanta losing Strider for who knows how long, maybe the 61 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:57.319 entire year. Yeah, makes the Dodgers really the prohibitive favorite in the in 62 00:03:57.360 --> 00:04:02.280 the al easily easily in my mind. And that when you start the season 63 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:06.800 like this, I mean, how much of it in the first month of 64 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:12.280 the season. How much of it is the feeling out process, figuring out 65 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.720 what you get and even if you have, you know, multiple returning starters, 66 00:04:15.720 --> 00:04:18.560 people that have been with your club for a number of years, every 67 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:21.879 year is different. Every year it's got a new feel to it, new 68 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:26.720 touch to it. How much of the first month of the season. Is 69 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:30.759 that feeling out process, getting used to guys in different maybe even in different 70 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:36.480 positions, getting guys playing around with the lineup, playing around with the rotation, 71 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:42.079 playing around with lefty righty combinations in the outfa of the infield, like 72 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:46.279 with Hayward and Lux and Oscar, I mean Tia, Oscar, Hernandez and 73 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.639 things like that. How much of it is and how long do you go 74 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:53.480 with that feeling out process? Well, I would always try to get to 75 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:58.480 May before I did anything drastic, before I made any major decisions or even 76 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:02.199 gotten halfway to a major decision. I will let the month of April play 77 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:05.759 out. You've got players that are veterans that are going to come into camp 78 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:11.279 in different shape than than younger players. People people kind of get up to 79 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:15.480 speed at different times. So I think it was invaluable to wait the four 80 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:19.920 weeks before you do anything really major. I think you got to let things 81 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:24.600 play out, and things will start to develop. You'll start to see certain 82 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:29.920 trends, you'll start to see some young players either struggle or really start to 83 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:34.639 find their way in that first month. But you're you're always you're always thinking 84 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:40.839 about what's coming next, and you're always you always know that what you don't 85 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:43.399 know, you're going to need to know, but you may have like a 86 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:46.279 couple hours to figure it out, so you're always kind of on guard with 87 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:50.519 it. But I would April was the one month of a regular season that 88 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:55.920 I would just let play and let it play out, give people different opportunities, 89 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:59.519 see how it fits, see where they're at mentally, see where they're 90 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:02.759 at compete wise, and see how the other teams are doing too a little 91 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:06.639 bit, but really concentrate on your own club and see what you think you're 92 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:11.199 gonna need, or who's gonna need a little bit more time in development, 93 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:14.519 or who's kind of made that stride that hey we're gonna we're gonna ride this 94 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:17.240 player for a while. No Kaladi is with us, Fred Rogan, Rodney 95 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:21.399 Pete on a five seventy l A Sports. So using that logic, when 96 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:26.639 I look at the pitching, I think it's been good. I don't think 97 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:30.040 it's been great. But at points, do you, well, glassnow has 98 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:33.160 been very good. But do you just sit back now and just even with 99 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:38.319 that net, let it all unfold here for a month, Yeah, and 100 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:44.040 you look at how at the different situation said that Michael Grove has been in 101 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:48.680 at Gavin Stone has been in to take two young guys and and to see 102 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:53.959 how, you know, how they've adapted, if they've adjusted, what are 103 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.800 some of the things that you see that are concerns, you know, is 104 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:00.920 is it getting behind hitters? I think Stones walk you know, four guys 105 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:04.560 in eight Inny something like that. So you know, you you take your 106 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:11.240 younger players and you really kind of see how how the competition is competing against 107 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:15.199 them, how they compete against the competition, and if there's an adjustment or 108 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:18.680 two you could make to kind of fine tune where they're at. I think 109 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:21.680 the pitching by and large has been good. I mean they're ten and five 110 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:28.160 and they've they've got their main guys that they're looking to to to really help 111 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:31.000 them all season long. You know, they don't walk many people, they 112 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:34.560 don't give up many hits. You know, they're they're tough to handle, 113 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:38.600 and I think that you know, with the bullpen, we'll see how that 114 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:42.800 develops as a year goes on. But certainly the rotation I think is is 115 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:46.279 better than anybody else's rotation coming out of the gate. I don't think there's 116 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:48.480 any doubt you mean ya, I'm a motals first start. I mean you 117 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:53.920 erase that and you know you've got what you what you thought you had. 118 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:59.800 Yeah, any concerns with with Bobby Miller. You know he struggled in Chicago, 119 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:03.839 Yeah, you know he was he was okay, I only gave up 120 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:07.399 two runs and in uh, in Minnesota, I thought he was okay. 121 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:13.040 Wasn't great, but okay. He's still a young pitcher, still learning the 122 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:16.800 game, learning how to pitch. But with his stuff, you know he's 123 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.639 going to be special. Uh. Are there any concerns with him early on 124 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.160 or is it just kind of the same thing, feeling out his process helping 125 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.759 him grow as a picture right now? Well, I think that's what it 126 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.720 is. He has got great stuff, and he's a he's a big kid. 127 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:35.320 He's got he's got power stuff, and you know, he's not accomplished 128 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:39.159 quite yet. You know, he's he's still finding his way, so he's 129 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.200 going to have moments that he's going to struggle. You know, the Chicago 130 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:48.399 game was a was a good example of that didn't last very long, but 131 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:52.759 you're going to have that. And I think that one of the great attributes 132 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:56.720 of the way the organization has done. What they've done is their patients with 133 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:01.919 people, their patients with hitters, with pitching, especially young pitching and young 134 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:07.039 hitters. They are more patient than any team I've ever been around, because 135 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.399 they know they're good. They know that they have talent, and they know 136 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:13.720 that they have depth, and they know that the other teams can't really keep 137 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.480 the pace with him. So I think you're going to see him have a 138 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:20.639 bunch of opportunities. I think he's somebody that you you need to continue to 139 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:26.679 develop because he's got a chance to be special. He's like six four sixty 140 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:31.000 five. That's a lot. That's a big man right there, kid though 141 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:33.639 really twenty four to twenty five years old. You've got to be patient with 142 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.399 it, even though it's going to aggravate you once in a while. You've 143 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:39.639 got to be patient with it because as the year goes on, he's going 144 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:43.519 to pitch in some big games. He's already pitching some big games and gotten 145 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:48.000 some big outs. But as you think about that, I also think about, 146 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:50.200 Okay, you got Walker Bruhller going to join this staff too at some 147 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:54.759 point. For me, he's one of the most competitive guys I've seen in 148 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:58.960 the last ten years. So you're going to add him to the group. 149 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:03.639 When you add him and he's healthy, suddenly everybody else, not everybody else, 150 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:07.440 but a couple guys, including Bobby Miller, may slide down a little 151 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:11.440 bit, so a little bit less expect that expectation, a little bit less 152 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:16.360 pressure at that point in time. But I think when you look at the 153 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:20.320 at the at the size of Bobby Miller and you look at the stuff that 154 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:24.320 he brings, I think he got to just be patient and continue to have 155 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:28.320 him learn and gain confidence as the year goes on, because there's not many 156 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.399 like him. He's got a chance to be not just a major league starter, 157 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:35.600 but he's got a chance to pitch in the top three in a rotation 158 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:37.919 in time. So if he's your fourth or fifth and he starts to figure 159 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.240 it out again like he did last year for a while, how special is 160 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:45.360 that? Patience is the key thing to do. Tough to do, but 161 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:48.840 you gotta have it. Got to have it with Gavin Lutch too, a 162 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:54.840 little bit different. I mean he's coming back after a big injury. That 163 00:10:54.960 --> 00:11:01.559 is that to me is stell stell kind of he'p trying to figure that one 164 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.679 out, you know, great young player coming up, but you know he's 165 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:09.840 stalled installed in some regards, and where is he at and how are you 166 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:13.919 going to play this? You know, playing Mookie at shortstop the entire year, 167 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:20.440 I don't know if I would be encouraged by that. Muokie can do 168 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:24.200 anything, but you're not talking about a guy be size of Corey Seeger playing 169 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:31.720 shortstop, talking about a smaller a smaller frame, and that position will besides 170 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:35.039 the catching position, there's no other position that's got more going on in the 171 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:39.960 course of a game, both mentally and physically. So if you're going to 172 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:43.519 ask somebody who did it years ago in a different, different way, so 173 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:48.240 to speak to a different level, that's one thing, But to do in 174 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.840 the big leagues it's a totally different dynamic. I think, you know, 175 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:54.559 I had for call here kind of a smaller guy, and when you got 176 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.200 to August, late August, early September, as great as Raffi is, 177 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:03.720 he, you know, he started to take one more step or it started 178 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:07.279 to be just a little bit slower. So I think some of that is 179 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:11.720 as we bring that up because of Gavin is Gavin. You know, let's 180 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:16.080 take it as a shortstop and the season started, So that's a little bit 181 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.120 different for me. But whenever you make a move, whenever you make a 182 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:22.960 move, whether it's a manager, a staff, or players, you may 183 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:26.159 give somebody a chance to catch your breath. That's one thing. But if 184 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:30.559 you're going to make a definitive move, you better be sure that who's ever 185 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:33.919 going to sit in that seat next is going to be definitive to be better. 186 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:35.600 You can't guess on it. You can't say, well, I think 187 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:41.080 might be now you've got to pretty much know. So again, it's patients, 188 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:45.279 But that one, Gavin I think is different than Bobby Miller, and 189 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:50.679 how I guess measure what my patience would be at this stage, Man, 190 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:54.639 I'm a I'm a reflecting toot my horn a minute because of what you just 191 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.080 said, and I agree with you. Playing shortstop other than catcher, is 192 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:03.600 the most demanding position on a baseball field because there's so much going on and 193 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:09.679 you're so involved in every single play, and to move Mooki from right field 194 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:16.919 to to shortstop is a different dynamic. And you're you're also asking him to 195 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.799 be the leadoff hitter and your catalyst. I mean, every time that lineup 196 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:24.519 turned over, you're looking at Mookie Betts in the in the on deck circle, 197 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:26.440 going here we go, here we go. It starts something and it's 198 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:31.519 something new, so that pressure is on him. And then there were talks 199 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:37.399 about maybe you know lat in games from defensive you know situations, and maybe 200 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:43.679 put Rojas in it's at shortstop and move Mookie the second or whatever. As 201 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:48.080 the season goes on, how do you think this will play out for MOOKI 202 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:52.960 do you think that it Do they look at it as we want to make 203 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:58.480 sure that we keep his offense intact and not mess with that, or do 204 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.320 we let him ride out short stop even though there might be some challenges later 205 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:05.600 on in the in certain games in the innings, Well, I would probably 206 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:11.600 take the choice. Hey, I think I think you're If you had another 207 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:16.240 option, I think you'd use it. He can play second bag. I 208 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:18.559 mean, he could win to go glove in any of the three positions. 209 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:22.440 It's not a matter of how well he can play it. To me, 210 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.320 it's more a matter I mean, we always talk about October. Forever, 211 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:31.480 We've been talking about October. It seems so that is late September October. 212 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:33.679 Are your key points in time? Got to get there? You gotta stay 213 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:39.480 healthy all those things, But what is what would one hundred and forty five 214 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:46.399 games at shortstop due to any player, let alone somebody who's who's not six 215 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:50.000 three sixty four. So I think you, I think you look for a 216 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.559 solution to that. You know, playing Mookie the first six or seven at 217 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:56.799 short and then and moving the Miggian to play the last couple. You know 218 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:03.240 that works. Does that work all the time? Probably works well enough until 219 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:07.120 something else can present itself. I'm not so sure that if there's a shortstop 220 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:11.159 available that they don't make a run for it, that they don't try and 221 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:20.559 do something to gain another shortstop to take situation off Mookie and also let Rojas 222 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.200 be the extra guy, play all over the infield and play great defense. 223 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:28.600 But I think if if somebody becomes available in time, and there's been some 224 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:31.679 people banning about for over a year now that play shortstop for other teams in 225 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:35.440 the league. In fact, I think if that kind of presents itself, 226 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:39.080 I wouldn't be surprised if they did it. But see, they always have 227 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.720 the long view too, along with the patients. They have the long view. 228 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.360 So do they need that player right now? No, they can wait. 229 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:48.559 They can wait for a price to come down, and they can wait 230 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:52.919 for somebody to become available. They've got that time to do that. Nobody 231 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:56.720 in the division is even five hundred. Everybody's at least a game below. 232 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:03.120 They're five over, still got things their working on, so they've got the 233 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:07.279 time to let things kind of kind of sort themselves out, let the pages 234 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.000 of the season turn and see where they're at at what point in time. 235 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:15.919 But if they went out and acquired an every day shortstop, I'm not going 236 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.279 to tell you I'm surprised, just like I wasn't surprised when they signed Otani 237 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:25.840 and when they signed I'mamoto. And when they trade it for a great young 238 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:30.039 pitcher like Glasgow, that's that's their mo. They're not a They're not really 239 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:34.159 a difficult read because of how they go about it and how strong they are 240 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:38.399 when they do net. We appreciate you coming on and love the info. 241 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:41.879 Thanks so much today. All right, guys, all the best, take 242 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:45.039 care of it you too. All right, Well, it captivated the entire 243 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:49.000 nation. The O. J. Simpson low speed chase. Who can forget 244 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:53.039 it? One person cannot because he was actually in it, and he will 245 00:16:53.120 --> 00:17:00.679 join us next. Yeah, always good, come back a little prince baby. 246 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:06.480 I hear you, Ronnie Rodney, Pete, Fred Rogan on a Thursday, 247 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:10.720 I throwback Thursday. That is beautiful, Sonny, California, La. 248 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:17.640 Son is shining about eighty degrees. Oh yes, what I'm talking about while 249 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:22.440 we live here, well, we're lucky to live here and h here is 250 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:26.759 where one of the major events of this century occurred. O. J. 251 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:33.319 Simpson and that low speed Chase. Now Conan Nolan, who was still a 252 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:37.000 channel for one of the best in the business, is going to join us. 253 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.160 Conan, how are you all right? Well? Fred, nice to 254 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:44.839 hear your voice. Good to hear yours, my friend? Is it really 255 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.839 nice to hear his boys called it is? I mean, I've been a 256 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:51.720 Fred Rogan fan for as long as I've been in LA and that's you know, 257 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:55.160 went on the five decade or four decades. So okay, all right, 258 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:57.799 I just want to double check making sure that you weren't like coerced in 259 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:03.559 to say that by coming up on the show. No coercion. I'm too 260 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:10.920 old for that, aren't we all? Conan? All right? I was 261 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:17.000 trying to explain to these guys on that fateful night somehow you were in the 262 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:22.680 chase, the low speed chase. Can you please tell the story? Sure? 263 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:26.960 So OJ was supposed to turn himself in, so everybody expected that to 264 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:32.240 happen at Parker Center, which was the police head quarters, and I was 265 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:36.599 dispatched to I think Hollywood Division because they thought, well, maybe Robert Shapiro 266 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:41.680 will send him there. And so once he didn't show up, and the 267 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:48.559 Deputy Chief, David Gascon announced OJ Simpson is a fugitive from Justice. I 268 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:55.119 remember Mark Coogan from KBC announcing the juice is on the loose using his best 269 00:18:55.160 --> 00:19:02.720 teller hotel line, and so I I got said, listen, we're hearing 270 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:07.640 that he may be in Orange County. So a photographer, guy named Dana 271 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:12.119 Roker, who's for years worked for NBC Network. He's a shooter on dateline. 272 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:18.960 Still there. We get into this little, small little wagon that has 273 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:23.160 no signage on it, and we start heading towards Orange County and we lock 274 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:30.240 in on the CHP radio and we realized that they're chasing him up this way 275 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:36.200 towards us. So I tell Dana to get off the freeway, get back 276 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:40.039 on, going in the opposite direction, pullover. We switched sides. I 277 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:42.440 got behind the wheel, he took out his camera in the passenger seat, 278 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:48.319 and I looked in the rearview mirror and I saw the failings of police and 279 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:51.359 his wife, Ford Bronco, and then we pulled right in front of him. 280 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.720 And that was. That was a moment. I mean people have often 281 00:19:56.759 --> 00:20:00.200 said, oh, you know, they when they're describing an event, they 282 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:02.960 say, oh, it was like a movie. Well, there's no movie 283 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:07.759 that was ever like this. Truth is stranger than fiction. And the next 284 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:14.720 you know, twenty to thirty minutes, it was you know again, I 285 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:18.480 remember seeing and that, you know, we called the assignment desk. I 286 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:23.119 got on the air, started reporting while driving, not something you can do 287 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:27.920 legally anymore with a cell phone to your ear, while Dana took pictures and 288 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:33.000 we tried. You know, remember that prior to the pursuit, Robert Kardashian 289 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:38.200 had read what sounded like a suicide note where he blamed the media, and 290 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:41.880 so I thought, you know, the last thing we want is for OJ 291 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:45.200 to see the camera and then use that to commit suicide, because we were 292 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:49.119 told he had a gun in the back feet. Yeah, and it was 293 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:55.880 it was a moment, I'll tell you The thing that I remember the most, 294 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:57.440 and we have, you know, lots of video evidence of this, 295 00:20:57.559 --> 00:21:03.920 is how many people, I mean a freeway stopped. The cars on the 296 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:08.240 other lanes on the freeway stopped. People were on the overpasses. I remember 297 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:12.359 thinking, how is it possible. Not only did they have time to find 298 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:17.720 their way to the overpass to watch this, but a few had time to 299 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:23.160 make signs go OJ go Yeah. I just remember while it was happening. 300 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:30.119 There was a unique moment in twentieth century American history, that's for sure. 301 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:33.799 How in the world, First of all, so you're saying you took over 302 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:44.920 the wheel and your guide started filming as you were driving down the freeway, 303 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:48.240 and then how in the world did you stay on for you said, thirty 304 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:55.240 minutes without them saying, excuse me, we're in a low speed chase with 305 00:21:55.319 --> 00:21:59.119 the fusion of OJ Simpson. You got to get off the freeway. What 306 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:04.160 are you doing the freeway? Yeah, that was the back of my head. 307 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:07.599 The last thing I wanted to do was to end up being part of 308 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:12.599 the story. And I thought, well they I'm sure the cops aren't happy 309 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:18.400 about this, but it wasn't a high speed chase. It was a low 310 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:22.200 speed chase. For the most part. He was telegraphing where he was going 311 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:27.079 whenever. Whenever there was going to be an off ramp or move to another 312 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:33.759 freeway, Alec Collins would reach over out the window and point as to where 313 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:37.440 he was going. So it looked, it looked for all intents and purposes 314 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:42.279 that you know, he was leaving. He knew he wasn't trying to evade 315 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:47.799 them, although it certainly looked that way. He was on his way to 316 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:52.200 either the house at Rockingham, and that's where it ended up. And my 317 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:57.400 biggest concern stopped being the police, but the other cars, because people were 318 00:22:57.480 --> 00:23:02.960 getting into car wrecks. In fact, that's the when we pulled out. 319 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.759 Uh it eventually it was because two cars had collided in front of me and 320 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:15.640 uh and I realized, holy ship, excuse me, holy cow, we 321 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:22.000 want that Sorry sorry boys, uh and uh that you know this, you 322 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:26.240 know we're going to get involved in a wreck too. Uh and uh, 323 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:33.640 So at that point we we let them pass and the cops, you know, 324 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:37.359 al Colleens passed us and so did the cops, and then they made 325 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:42.160 their way to the off ramp and then onto to Rockingham did you at that 326 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:48.480 point you were out or did you follow them? Uh? We we followed 327 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:53.440 them. Uh but but yeah, but it was pretty much over there there 328 00:23:55.240 --> 00:24:00.640 there there was a whole you know, caravan of cars and and remember the 329 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:04.240 number of life you know, code three, lights and sirens. It was 330 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:11.079 it was uh not like the pursuits of today. Uh. There there were 331 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:15.359 units from from one side of the three way to the other, in front 332 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:21.279 of him or behind him. And yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't recommend this 333 00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:25.200 to anybody to be on the phone talking on TV while driving in front of 334 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:29.480 a pursuit like this. Uh again, the vehicular code doesn't allow for that 335 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:37.680 anymore. But the what went through my mind was is a uh just take 336 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.279 in the bizarre nature of this, the number of people, the uh, 337 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:47.920 the the the the just you know, if you look at this whole case 338 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:52.279 and we were we were starting to see that at the beginning. But O. 339 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.799 J. Simpson's the guy who found himself. You know it was a 340 00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:00.599 light Fred, you both of you know this better than anybody. This is 341 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:06.599 a life in front of America, and there was on America's television for decades. 342 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:11.240 As college football player of NFL Star Pitchman. Remember him running through hurts, 343 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:18.160 hurt ads through airports. Is in the Naked Gun movies with Leslie Nielsen. 344 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:21.240 So he was an actor. He was a sportscaster with an ABC with 345 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:26.920 Howard Cosell. Uh and uh and and then this uh and he and this 346 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:33.480 is a figure who found himself in the in the the convergence of the issues 347 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:41.960 of celebrity, race, domestic violence, policing justice like nobody else had ever 348 00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:47.240 been I think in the history of the country. Uh. And it just 349 00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:51.720 all arrived at that moment. And and it's sort of it. It started 350 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:56.799 to gel at that during that pursuit, you started to see the societal impact 351 00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:02.240 of this one character and what he represents on so many different areas, not 352 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:07.319 to mention, of course, murder, the deaths of two people, and 353 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:11.960 and that and that and that and that pursuit unlike anything we had seen before. 354 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:17.519 And I hope to God and we'll never see it again. But just 355 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:19.519 trying. Part of the problem was just trying to stay alive and not end 356 00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:26.039 up in an accident. Uh while chronicling this moment Uh that I was almost 357 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:30.000 thirty years ago. That's the question, Colln. I mean in real time. 358 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:36.839 Did you know or did you even have any idea the enormity or the 359 00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:41.319 impact of what you were doing at that time and what the situation at that 360 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:47.759 time was going to be. I'll tell you, Rodney, that when that 361 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:51.559 time happened, and it was the day of the murder, they had called 362 00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:57.359 me and I went down to Bundy and uh, and I did a And 363 00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:03.720 a lot of people don't know this, but when the cops are done with 364 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.079 a scene, they're not It's not their job to clean it up. It's 365 00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:15.000 up to the property owner and the at Nichole's condo or townhouse, the property 366 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:19.920 owner was dead. And so when we did a when we get a remote 367 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:25.079 from that location, there was still blood on the sidewalk on the walkway. 368 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:30.559 And and I remember just before I went on the air, a guy pulled 369 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:36.440 up in a sports car and hopped out and ran up and chipped away some 370 00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:41.559 of the plasma off the off the walkway and put it in a little plastic 371 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.759 bag. Was the most bizarre thing I'd ever seen. And I remember thinking 372 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:51.799 at that moment, oh my god, this this is different. Uh, 373 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:56.680 this is you know, I don't think I appreciate just being the enormity of 374 00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:00.759 what you know may may happen, because this is kind of freaky. And 375 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:04.400 every day since then, and then of course the nine months of the trial, 376 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:11.319 it just got more bizarre with each passing day. You know, Conan, 377 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.279 of everything you have covered, and you've covered it all, and I 378 00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:19.759 was there with you for all of it. Have you ever experienced anything like 379 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:26.680 that period in time? No, absolutely not nothing. And there have been 380 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.920 trials and there's been interested in other stuff, there's Michael Jackson, etc. 381 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:34.839 But Fred, you and I have talked about this. I think it's because 382 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:38.079 of the unique position. It was the unique position of the city at the 383 00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:41.720 time. Remember we were coming out of Rodney King. Before that, it 384 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:47.200 was Natasha Harlan's young black girl who was killed by a Koreem grocery store owner 385 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:52.319 and the store owner got probation. The distrust of the LAPD by the black 386 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:59.079 community and other communities of going back decades, the effort by the city to 387 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:04.519 reform itself, all those things coming into play, plus the celebrity. The 388 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:10.240 fact that you know, there were researchers who told me that when it came 389 00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:12.680 to focus groups about O. J. Simpson when they were researching him, 390 00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:19.480 as a as a as a salesman, as a celebrity endorsement person for say, 391 00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:26.960 hurts rent a car he he he researched, as as colorless. White 392 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.920 people didn't see him as black right. In fact, I always thought that 393 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.079 there was a segment, there was a those who had bigotry in their heart 394 00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:38.079 felt better about themselves because they loved O. J. Simpson and hey, 395 00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:47.599 he's black, and so he had a unique position in society before this all 396 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:52.640 happened. And when it did, it pulled into play all sorts of a 397 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.960 sundry issues that you never would have related to O. J. Simpson. 398 00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:00.519 But he was part of it. He was he was the folk point of 399 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.799 it. So it was more than a trial. It was more than a 400 00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.240 murder case. It was more than just him. It was it was all 401 00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:11.119 of all of the things that we mentioned, and that's one of the reasons 402 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.519 why, by the way, it was a national story, it was a 403 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:18.079 global story. I remember the former police chief at the time telling me he 404 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:23.559 was recognized in Kenya as the police chief from OJ Simpsons during the O. 405 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:29.400 J. Simpson case. And so I don't think we'll we've never I don't 406 00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:30.960 think we ever saw anything like it before, and I don't think we'll ever 407 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.920 see anything like it again, you know, thank you for doing this. 408 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:37.759 I do miss you and I'm glad you're doing well. I miss you, 409 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:42.599 Fred. I have to tell people your audience and Fred's not paying me for 410 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:48.200 this, but it was always a great day when he walked in the place 411 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:52.519 and you practiced your line of work, Fred at a level that always made 412 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.680 me feel good about being in this business. And so we miss you very 413 00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.000 much. But I'm a big fan of the show and it's my pleasure. 414 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.079 Thanks for asking. Oh my god, thank you, Conan. It's great 415 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:07.839 to hear from you. I told you, Rodney he was skinning the chase. 416 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:11.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I love watching Conan right now 417 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:17.599 today. I mean, both Holly and I are big fans of his regardless, 418 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:22.240 but I had no idea that he was actually in the chase until you 419 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:27.599 told me that this morning. Amazing, amazing story, amazing story of how 420 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:33.519 that kind of evolved and happened in real time. So Conan, thanks for 421 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.400 joining us. I mean that was that was great to get him on Fred. 422 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:40.400 Yeah, back in the day, back in the day, at that 423 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:44.880 period of time. Let me tell you, we were fired on all cylinders 424 00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:48.160 there. We really were the best in town, and it was because of 425 00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:53.079 guys like Conan, who is still there and still banging it out every day. 426 00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:57.119 That was great. Okay, next hour, Dan Wyke is going to 427 00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:00.039 join us. Let's try to figure out what's going on now with the Lakers. 428 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.720 Don't forget. We've got those sweet tickets to give away, and we 429 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.240 will while we come back. I've got numbers. Let's play the number game. 430 00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:13.079 Let's do it. Come Home, Come Home, Throw Back Thursday. 431 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:15.680 Man, it is flying by. We got so much to get to. 432 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:20.759 We have gotten to a lot on this show already, but hey, lots 433 00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:24.240 lots more to come. Rodney Pete Fred Rogan on a Thursday. Man, 434 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:30.079 Freddy's crazy the stuff that's coming down right now, and we've got so much 435 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.440 going on. I mean, we haven't even touched on so many of things 436 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.440 that things that are going on. Dodgers talked to Ned Colletti, which was 437 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:42.960 absolutely always a pleasure to have him because he sat in that chair and gives 438 00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:51.160 us the insights of what it means to be a GM crazy day OJ passing, 439 00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:54.720 you know, the emotions up and down, rollicals. However you may 440 00:32:54.799 --> 00:33:01.400 feel about him and the situation. We touched on that, but uh, 441 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:05.480 lot's lot's going on today, Fred, Well, don't forget. We talked 442 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:14.880 about Epay. Guess uh Otani's interpreter, who was able somehow to gamble like 443 00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:19.440 one hundred and eighty six million dollars. How in fact, we found out 444 00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:25.559 now through the FEDS that he was able to change the authorization for Otani's bank 445 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:30.000 account. It was diabolical, is what it was, and that every time 446 00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:35.240 they would check with who they thought was Otani, it was actually Epey. 447 00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:40.240 Yeah, hey, it's okay, yeah, transfer that transfer this what what 448 00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:43.920 what do I need to do? Yeah? I want to I want to 449 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:46.279 move five hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, yeah, okay, I give you, 450 00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:51.160 I authorize it. And it was all Epay, nothing to do with 451 00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:54.119 Otani. Honest to god, it was diabolical. I mean, if you're 452 00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:58.000 a criminal mind, it was brilliant. Now you get caught if you're a 453 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:05.079 criminal. Yeah, And obviously he has a horrible addition to gambling. Do 454 00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:09.760 you think because a lot of times criminals will have a master plan in the 455 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:14.880 works that they are going to rub elbows, They're going to get close to 456 00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:16.519 someone and then they're going to play the long game. Do you think this 457 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:22.119 was a long con, a long game for Epay or was it something that 458 00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:27.480 he was a gambler that got caught up and then had nowhere else to go, 459 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.159 nowhere else to get out of this situation, and yet he had that 460 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:35.199 person right next to him and he exploited that. Or do you think it 461 00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:39.079 was a long con for him to say, I'm going to be an interpreter 462 00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:43.480 for one of these baseball players, and that happens to be the biggest star 463 00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:47.840 in the world. I'm going to be an interpreter which will allow me access 464 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:52.159 into his world, and then I'm going to exploit that on a long term, 465 00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:57.840 regular basis. What do you think is true that he fell into it 466 00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:00.000 or that it was a plan from the beginning, I mean to get close 467 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:05.079 to with Toani and be the interpreter. I like the thinking on your part. 468 00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:08.480 I like the question. Yeah, I'm thinking he just got into trouble 469 00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:14.119 and couldn't get out. I'm thinking, you know, he was there, 470 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:17.960 he figured out how to get to that money, then got caught up in 471 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:23.800 gambling and he just couldn't get out. I mean, he as we've learned 472 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:28.280 through the reports. I mean, he's like forty million in the hold of 473 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.239 on Tani. If you really break it down, there's forty million in losses. 474 00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:37.360 Golly, forty million. That's a lot. I mean, we know 475 00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.960 some guys, you know, I'm sure you know people, and I know 476 00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.519 people. Charles Barkley is a big gambler. I've been out in Vegas with 477 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.519 Charles and he likes to throw it down a little bit. I like the 478 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:51.679 gamble. There was a point where I loved the game. I love to 479 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:53.599 go to Vegas on a regular basis, play blackjack, play craps and do 480 00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:58.920 things like that. Never got to the point where I owed, you know, 481 00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:04.000 anybody anytime real money, but Charles has Charles has been you know, 482 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:06.960 you take out a credit line and you do it, and it's usually you 483 00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:08.800 know, for for guys like that, whatever it may be, you know, 484 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:12.440 fifty grande hundred grand. You take out a credit line and you use 485 00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.719 that credit line and then you pay it down. But you never go crazy. 486 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:22.199 But to get to the point where you're sixteen million in terms of gambling 487 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:29.159 debts and you are not in a position to cover that because you are not 488 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:34.920 the player. You're you're not the money maker in that situation. That is 489 00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:39.480 baffling to me. Well, and the problem is the book he really thought 490 00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:45.639 obviously he was dealing with Otani. Probably so if Otani, yeah, we're 491 00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:47.760 finding out right, wait real quick. But as we're finding out that he 492 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:52.760 used Otani's you know codes and all those things, the bookie absolutely thought he 493 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:57.559 was dealing with Otani who had all kinds of money, and he wouldn't even 494 00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:01.039 feel the sixteen million dollars sixteen in the hole. It's like, you're good 495 00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:07.320 for it, You're guts, no problems, you got it. We'll keep 496 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.920 going because bookies are not gonna let you keep doing that. You know, 497 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:15.800 they know what you should be locked out at and then you got to pay 498 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:22.639 up. Bookies are not trust me. They're not going to front or give 499 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:27.960 a credit line to an interpreter that is making a best eighty grand I think 500 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:32.559 it. That's eighty grand. They're not going to extend you a credit line 501 00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:37.760 like that. No, I mean it was. It was a calculated plan 502 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:44.440 on Epay's part to access those accounts. Let me do this real quick. 503 00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:49.760 I've got numbers now in the championship game for the men and the women in 504 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:54.599 NCAA basketball. All right, TV viewer numbers, now understand this. When 505 00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:59.679 I give you the number, there's a little more to it because you can 506 00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:04.039 watch the game streaming and things like that. They're not figured into this, 507 00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:12.800 but they are should be counted. So the men in their game nationally did 508 00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:17.519 fourteen point eight million, all right, fourteen point eight. Then there were 509 00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:22.280 some streaming numbers things like that, A million and a half here that so, 510 00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:28.199 but they did fourteen point eight on television. The women did eighteen point 511 00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:34.320 nine million on television. Four million more, yeah, four million more watched 512 00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:38.000 the women's tournament. But what were they watching. They were watching for Caitlin 513 00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:45.360 Clark, the transcendent athlete. So there were let's say fourteen people, fourteen 514 00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:51.360 million watching for women's basketball and four million specifically watching the Caitlin Clark. Is 515 00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.760 this the championship gymps? Right? By the way, this was Sunday afternoon 516 00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:59.039 for the women, in a Monday night for the men. So you would 517 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:01.199 think Kevin that night would do a better number one thousand percent, right, 518 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:06.440 yeah, you would think. And it's it's a Monday night, it's prime 519 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:12.400 time in the East, and that is where you gain your biggest numbers, 520 00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:17.320 and Sunday afternoon is usually a wasteland for television. You know, if an 521 00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:22.559 NHL game does like a one point five, if it gets a million and 522 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:27.599 a half people watching, that's a good number. And the women's tournament did 523 00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:35.519 almost nineteen million. Yeah, that's so impressive. It's so impressive and great 524 00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:38.599 for the women's game, great for the marketing of the women's game, great 525 00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:45.599 for the attention and people to And you got to put it this way, 526 00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:53.280 because great for certain men that puts aside their egos in terms of the women's 527 00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:59.519 game and allowed it to be as grand as it was. Because I know 528 00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:01.480 there were a lot the men it is like, oh, mister women's bah 529 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:06.519 blah blah blah blah, it's not that you whatever. But no, they 530 00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:10.760 let it flow and they celebrated these women because it was great basketball. It 531 00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:15.360 was great not only you know Kaitlyn Clark. Yes, she was a phenomenon. 532 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:22.239 She transcended the sport. She college basketball has never seen anything like this, 533 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.400 you know, And I defended. I go back and say Cheryl Miller 534 00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:30.559 was a different era, but still Cheryl Miller was huge and didn't have the 535 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:37.440 outlets that that Caitlyn Clark has But Caitlyn Clark really gave such a boost to 536 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:44.280 women's basketball. It was incredible, but it also took the world to embrace 537 00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:50.519 it, and the world embraced it because of her and the other the competition. 538 00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:54.559 I think if Caitlyn Clark did this, there was no Yukon, or 539 00:40:54.599 --> 00:41:02.039 there was no USC and Juji Watkins, and there was no South Carolina with 540 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:07.400 Don Staley, it'd been a different story. It would have been Yukon when 541 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.480 Yukon was running away with titles every single year, right, it would have 542 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:16.280 been that, But the fact that there was competition along the way really enhanced 543 00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:20.960 it. Sokit Clark, you put her at the top because she was the 544 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:24.559 catalyst for all of that. But hats off to the South Carolina LSU and 545 00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:30.960 Angel Reese, you know, the Yukon team with Page Beckers, all of 546 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:37.039 those. That competition in the women's game really made it and put it over 547 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:42.039 the top. Because if it was just Caitlin Clark and IOWA and they ran 548 00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:44.599 away with it, whatever, it wouldn't have been these numbers. All right, 549 00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:46.880 we're giving away the sweet tickets this hour. Now you're unnoticed, so 550 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:50.719 don't go anywhere. We'll give you a cue to call when we come back. 551 00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:53.039 Let's talk about the Lakers. They put themselves in quite the predicament, 552 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:54.800 and dan Woyki will join us.