Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the X Men Retrospective. I
am the Angel Trash. Now, oh, I have not prepared for a
name. I did not prepare that second. But what's the new character in
this movie? Angel Boom? I am the there's an easy one. Who's
gonna get it? I'm not gonna take it because I don't know which one
you're talking about. I'll tell you. I am the Phoenix. Okay,
I got it, all right, Kyle, you're up. I'm the multiple
death scene. Kyle Smith. I was gonna go with some Ellen Page in
there because it's the first Yeah, I'm Travis Sneill bitch. Yeah, we're
always after or if it's just steal your girl? Kyle Smid, who's that
for? That was Frost? Well that's debatable. That's no, no,
no, no, no, no, that's debatable. Actually that's an Ellen
Page. She was doing that. Yes, we'll get into that, so
Las Gelm. But you haven't guess by your nicknames or the title or whatever
all these obvious facts are. This is the third episode the X Men Retrospective
in honor of Dark Phoenix, which would be Fox's last X Men movie and
the time this recording. They apparently those rumors that they're pushing New Muons back
again, so we're probably never gonna get that movie ever, We're never gonna
see it. So Dark Phoenix maybe the last one ever of the Fox ones.
So we were reviewing X Men one, which we already did. We
did X one, X two all the way to the Day's the Future Pass.
The other ones we have reviewed already, so I think when we finish
these, we'll do probably ranking episode. Maybe we'll talk about them then if
we rank certain movies, but those ones have already been reviewed. So we're
going X Men A Day's Future Pass. We have made it all the way
to X three. I'm gonna give this synopsis and then we're getting to get
into what everyone thought of this one. Was the actual title of X three,
xx Men The Last Stand? Oh, the Last Stand? Yeah?
Yeah, I don't know because some of the poster says x Men Last Stand,
IMDb says x Men three Last Stand. I'm just gonna go with X
Men three because it's clearly not the Last Stand. As there's the Wolverine,
there's Days of Future Pass. There's many movies that follow after the Last Stand.
Uh, the Human government develops a cure for mutations, and Jean Gray
becomes a darker, uncontrollable person called the Phoenix, who allies with Magneto,
causing an escalation into an all out battle for the X Men. So I
feel like, and I'm gonna go first. I feel like, just even
with that synopsis, you can tell that's a messy synopsis already. That introduces
three separate things. You got the Cure, Magneto, and Phoenix, and
that's what this movie is. It's just a big mess. It's not an
uncommon thing that this is known as a not a good X ME movie.
I think both the one and two we talked about them are good to great.
They're on an upward trajectory if I get better, get better, and
then it takes a big dive. And yeah, there is maybe a film
later on that we're gonna talk about that takes a lower dive. But at
this point, if you're just thinking of just these three, you think X
one and X two, this just it's a huge just what do they call
that? When the airplane isn't crashing and it's a no side. That's what
this did. And it just was there's so much going on. There's characters
getting killed, left, right, and center. There's no development. It's
just too much. It's too much crammed into one movie. I think the
only and the thing is there's not even that many great performances because like Exavier's
gone really quickly. Make the Needle is around, but we'll get to that.
I feel like Magnedle is not the make Needle from the first other two
movies. He completely is against like his character, what they set up.
And I think the only things that I like about this is Hugh Jackman Wolverine.
I think he's still doing great. And I love Kelsey Grammer's Beast.
I love him. I love the dynamic they have. That's the only thing
in this movie I love. And a few like scenes here and there that
we'll get into. But really it's just a MESSI movie. It's not like
one of the worst movies of all time, but it's just it's so disappointing
when you think about the first TEE just watched, which even X one is
not fantastic. But when you think X one at least just feels like it's
conscious and knows what's going for this, it's just like, let's do this
let's do this, Like this movie could have been two movies, maybe three,
but I could have at least been two different movies. So uh yeah,
I'm a I'm not a fan of this movie, but we're gonna get
into all those reasons why going into this I feel like the second one and
then going into this one we get to see more mutants. But with this
one, they threw in so many mutants and they just felt so generic,
Like there's a handful that just felt like they have the same powers. Yeah,
guys with hoodies that leave and they all like eight of them just like
leap at the same time. Yeah, they're just like, we have jumping
powers and that's exactly, and they never we never know what they do,
like no, exactly. It's the lamest version of a war. Yeah,
you tried to just throw in so many characters, but they just like stretch
them out so thin and they're so generic and they weren't fleshed out properly.
So yeah, I kind of thought it was not that bad. Oh there,
you can play Devil's advocate. I'm sure, I'm sure Taylor's listening and
he's like, yes, yeah, well I but like, now kind of
what you guys are saying, is like slowly changed. I'm like rethinking it's
like, oh yeah, those are really good points. No, I thought,
like I didn't mind watching the movie. I thought was pretty good,
just kind of going through the motions of what was happening. Yeah, I
guess like there's a lot going on now, but you dug it, pun
of me, but you dug it for the most Yeah, I didn't think
it was that bad. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it a lot more
than the other movie that, yeah, we'll talk about later. I was
gonna say as well, was mentioned this the Travis before the cast. It's
like when you watch the movie that we'll be talking about later, like you'll
never guests in the contrast to X three, it's just like, man,
X three wasn't that bad. It was actually like, you know, it
made a little bit more sense than what's going on in here, so yeah,
that might actually well I'm screwed up right now. Yeah, But otherwise,
overall, like I didn't think X three was that bad. Yeah,
there's some like you know, details that we've kind of already mentioned before,
but overall, like it was an okay movie, Like I wouldn't like fail
it or anything like that, and so it was an an easy ish wash
and yeah, there's a lot of dying of the crazy, so the last
and yeah, yeah, and now kind of like even looking at it as
a bigger franchise, like it's it's interesting how they went through this storyline for
this third movie after like all the movies that they've made after it, like
you think this would be like the final one, unless in their mind they
thought, all this might be the last X Men movie we make. Well,
and it is funny to talk about because obviously we're doing this retrospective and
honor of Dark Phoenix. And the thing is, lots of people have said
these trailers look a lot like this movie, and they really do. And
like Teams Divided, there's lots of stuff going on, Jean's popping off,
and it's that same thing where it feels too soon, like this had three,
like two movies a build up this Dark Phoenix, My Coming only had
one we met Jean Gray and Apocalypse and now we're already boom Dark Phoenix,
you know, and it's gonna be interesting now that we've watched this so freshly,
and then hopefully Dark Phoenix I hope is not the same thing, but
it just looks a lot of the same as this movie, which is I
don't know. I feel like the first time I saw trailer for Dark Phoenix
was like seven years ago, so I don't even remember what's what to expect
perfect. Should we dive into this? Yeah? Sure, Okay, So
we start with the two openings. We got Angels opening and he's cutting himself
up and blah blah. I wanted to mention one thing on that because it
goes the Angel opening and then it goes like the credit intro that felt so
like Spider Man like, or like Toby maguire Spider Man scene. I was
like, man, I like, this is so familiar. And then and
I guess I had them wrong. The Angel opening a second and the first
opening is a very d H. Patrick Steward Eve McKellen time when the aging
technology was not perfected and they do not look it's such a big erk right
off the back before you go, and they're trying to talk to Jean's parents
about what's wrong there, so now you do nothing wrong with her. It's
such a big irk because whatever age she was, she's supposed to be like
super young like just finding out probably right, Yeah, so she just finds
other she has powers or whatever. I feel like she's stronger than current age
like Jean Gray. She lifts up every car with like full control, like
in the neighborhood Do you mean them? Do you mean stronger than Jean Gray
or stronger than Phoenix? Well I agree with that, but I feel like
because he reduces her powers, right, so I feel like, okay,
yeah, I feel like I remember he does is like uh not like,
what's it called telepathic? No, I don't know what it's he has.
There's like a thing over and he has his hands over like hypnotizing her.
He's given her like a telepathic a telepathic uh like, uh, what is
that when they cut your brain open? The botany? That's what they're doing
that he's doing to her, you know? So that does he do that?
Like when she's young? I think what they think? I think,
yeah, I think what they do is they bring her to the school,
they try to contain it. It doesn't go well. So they're like,
well, we got an idea that it's just like close out. I clearly
A'm just a viewer that missed that. I was so triggered though, because
I saw this and I'm like, I just watched two movies. Yeah,
and she was weak as fuck. I can't used to Rebro Yeah exactly,
And like meanwhile, just young Gene is just lifting up cars, like flexing
on these two guys. Yeah. I like the scene. I like I
like seeing them together, like Xavier and Magneto. I think they got a
good chemistry. And already you can see this relation is not going to work
out between the two because they approach the parents very differently. But I think
it's a good setup. It gets us going. Like I said, it
is very They just look very plastic. It's so much different from when we
got Rogue one, or you look at ant Man in the Walls, where
you got like Michael Douglas and Michelle Pfeiffer looking like they exact are like Guardians
Sue and Kurt Russell looking exactly like you did. This does look like a
younger version of them, but just as kind of scary at times. There's
another move we're gonna talk about two, where this is the time where they
just had that plastic element when they made them look young, you know,
so, and they're just giving around. It's time. It is but and
then Angel scene. I like Angel scene. It's cool, it's dark.
I think it's a very cringey. I remember being young and being like,
oh no, because like when they show the the scar in the mirror,
like yeah, and I think it's good movation. It's a good setup to
like this kid would be scared, you know, Oh totally. His dad's
so like anti mutants, right, Yeah. I wish they kind of went
more into depth with this Angel character. I think we could talk about him
right now because he does four things in this movie. There's that scene,
and then the next time we don't see him still like the middle of the
mover and like Warren coming here, We're gonna give you the cure. Yeah,
and then he for some reason decides he has to jump out the window.
There was no security guard. There was this two guys kind of holding
them back. But really, like I think he could just use the stairs,
like you know, like he's next time we next time we see him,
he's just like I thought this was a school for the gifted. And
then the next time we see him, he's just randomly in the battle.
He saves his dad and that's it. He doesn't help the X Men out
at all. It's so funny that such a waste of the character, especially
since they like show him off in the beginning. You're like, oh,
man, I haven't seen this guy before. He's gonna be so important,
gonna be integral to the plot. Yeah, psych, Well, you look
at all the other openings, like what X one we got Rogue and Magneto,
two very important characters. X two. What was the opening there?
Oh god, what was that? We just watched it because it's the opening
is not Logan at weapon X. But it's something else, isn't it.
That's Wolverine, That's what I mean. It's him where it's like the wolf
turns in it. But I thought there was something beforehand. Oh my god,
because we get that exaver like mutants there, this and that and blah
blah blah. I swear there's an old Oh no, it's Gene. She's
talking to all the mutants again, like as like a like a meeting at
the beginning of the movie, like like a conference or something. No,
that's X one. Still is that X one? Steall, I'm trying to
think X two. Well, maybe it'll come to me. But I felt
like that had an opening of a character that I remember what you're talking about,
Like the Logan when he's off on his like spirit wall. That's not
how the movie, not how it starts. Yeah, oh my god,
that's frustrating. But either way, I'm sure there's something there. Maybe I'm
wrong, but yeah, you'd think they start good lie Wow, we forget
that, but exactly right, a guy that's integral a plot. And then
also you get the gene once that works, but with Warren it's just it's
very strange. That's where it feels like that's a whole different movie. Like
they're like, oh, we're gonna use him a lot and just no,
just strange, just strange. Uh. And then after that we get the
danger room sequence where they're training. Obviously they don't reveal right away that's a
danger room and everything like that. I like the scene a lot. I
think there's good back and forth, but just Logan and everybody, there's tons
of stuff going on. We get the Seeds of Rogues, clearly jealous of
Kitty and Bobby because he just saves her and she saves him. That's about
it. But she obviously because touch and takes up off it is not a
good way, and she just feels bad. She can't touch him, right,
Yeah, so but I like the scene. I like everything. I
like Logan and storms dynamic him like lighting the cigar and I like so.
I like that scene. I like that they brought back Colossus from was it
He wasn't an X one, was he he was an X two? Remember
he saves he helps him save the kids. Yeah, he's not in it
too much, but I liked him in that. So seeing him again in
this he's he's kind of more about like part of the team now. I
like seeing that a lot of those like characters are more part of the team
and kind of working together. Yeah, but we still see them the same
amount as we did next to but not on Page. That's the game changing
ELM Page is in there Page. I feel like he's actually in there more
than most of the people, like I spent. I guess this kind of
tie. But like Rogue goes missing, we'll talk about she's just gone for
all this movie. She's doing her doctor's appointment. Man, she really did.
I forgot to shout out in the opening or opening scene with Magneto and
Xavier that he had a purple suit on Magneedo. So you know kind of
you know, staying in touch with the color scheme of Magneedo and it was
a good so uh. And then after that we get storms like oh,
giving Wolverine a bunch of shit, you're not doing a good job, and
like, hey, I'm su Yeah, I'm just a sub taking up with
Scott. So then we bump into Scott. He's just in his rooms,
so bogging out, freaking out. It's been months, he's still but clearly
it's been months. We talked about the next two. Yeah, I feel
like I said months for X two and you're like, no, it's been
only like a couple of weeks. No, I thought I thought I said
it was like I thought you said months, and I thought I said it
was like longer. I thought it was like six months. With this,
I feel I feel the same thing. This is like six months. I
feel like because everyone's hair is kind of different. Storm's hair is different,
Exavier's hair is different. Kids are older. Yeah, they're on the team
right, so they've been training l pace. It's probably gonna be like a
year. I don't know, we'll never know that. It's definitely been months.
I don't think it's been weeks. Yeah, I'd say it's been longer
than weeks. And then Scott's freaking out and then we get a classic Wolverine
and Scott bump into everybody logan, Yeah, I liked it. Yeah,
Yeah. I don't know if you guys have anything to add on Scar And
honestly, we're gonna talk about him, but I feel like we could just
talk same thing as the Angel. Just talk about him right now. And
by the ways, like in this movie a little bit longer than he was
in X two, wasn't he Scott Nah? I think he just had more
of like a soulosh role. Yeah, because I guess the next two you
could kind of count in the end he is just like standing around with a
lot of people right where in this he literally has these two scenes of he's
freaking out, Yeah, bumps and logan and then he goes to alcohol Lake
and that's it for him. I think he had more to do in X
one than on to next. I think it's like he's in Origins more right,
He's still poffing up. But uh yeah, I I don't know,
it's like it in the context of these movies that we've been watching. I'm
not surprised he gets killed off like this anything about from a calling standpoint,
Yeah, he's the leader of the X Men and he dies like the first
twenty minutes of movies. But in this movies it makes sense because they don't
care about this character. It's the whole Raine show. Like all the emotions
Scott would be, you'd think like that could like as a person that had
talked and ranted about that scene next to where they're together crying, you would
think that you would keep him alive to have that that tension. You know,
like maybe they have separate ways of how they want to deal the issue,
but now they just kill off and yeah, that's it. The other
thing is he did go off to because the guy who directed X one and
two he went off to direct Superman returns, so he also went with him.
So there are some scheduling things, but the planet sounded like was always
still the kill him off pretty early. So you guys got anything to add
on a Scott over here. It's just kind of up setting because like he
just he's just done and then that's it. Yeah, we kind of very
lack is very lackluster, and also the whole group doesn't like care about him,
like later on when they talk about like when we talk about the other
death scenes, they're just like, oh, yeah, like you know,
Xavier died, and then it was like yeah, but like Scott also died,
but like you don't even bring that up. But kid, I got
it about that Gota gravestone though at the end of I was gonna mention that
when they're all like having the funeral for the professor, everyone's just like,
Sobby and Scott didn't get that. Scott didn't get at all because they all
hated him. They're trying to get him out of the six months of him
babbling to himself gen like they were done with it, like get out of
here. Uh you got anything add on? You know, not really,
it's pretty forgettable, Like obviously it's it's unfortunate because the character and like the
role that he plays in that like X Men universe is pretty like he's kind
of one of those figureheads Like obviously he's supposed to be like the leader of
the X Men. Yeah, but uh, they totally wrote him off.
All you fans out there, Foggy is gonna do him justice. I try,
I trust trust you trust him. Foggy. He's not gonna let MCU
do him dirty like this, He's gonna be the full on like leader of
the X Men. Actually, So after that we get introduced to Beast.
What do you guys are your John thoughts on Beast and Kelsey Grammar as Beast.
I thought it was really good, kind of like already right off the
hop, like he really worked that role and I felt like, you know,
it wasn't he wasn't acting like I feel like he was actually doing the
like being Beasts. So yeah, and just like the way he just comes
across, and I think maybe I just like the character in general a lot
too. So yeah, there's something not much to not like about him.
No, Yeah, I really liked him. I actually prefer him over the
Nicholas Hole. Yeahhold, I don't know. He just has that persona of
like the Beasts and just has the look and like if you ever watched the
nineteen nineties animated cartoon, it's like spot on to what Beasts and to me,
whenever I think of Beast, this is what I think of all the
time, Like he has such a good cadence with the character and all his
dialogue and the insults him and Wolverine throw to each other. So good,
it's so good, and it's like it's such a shame that like this is
the only movie we have that and like you'd think they do that again,
and this is the only movie they have this connection all. It's very disappointing.
No, I liked it. I liked all the chemistry you had with
basically everyone, like whether it be a human like the mutant Storm, like
he's good friends with comment on his change your hair? Yeah, so did
I yeah? Or so did you know it was good? H No,
I just I really liked a and there was like spot on casting for that
role. What do you guys think about storms hair in this movie? She's
been through a lot of changes and I didn't realize how much of like how
much her hair changed throughout the movies. This one is like way short.
I was the first one. The first one was long, and then the
second one was like the to the ears. Then this one was like the
storm going on. Oh that's what she said to the barber and they're like,
I don't understand your reference and she's just got my hair. Yeah.
I didn't mind it. I felt like a quick question when when when what
year did this movie come? Out two thousand and six, and we're gonna
say before I look, yeah, two thousand and six. I was trying
to picture what people's hair were, like, oh six, pretty similar,
teacher, that's like that like mid, so I said she shouldn't say mid
two thousands, but like that, it is mid to mid early two thousand,
mids mid. I'm gonna plead the fifth because I feel like I don't
remember what the hairstyles were in two. I've seen a lot of rap videos
for okay mid odds that had the halle Berry Storm Okay, so it's like
the style. Do you think Storm copy that or do you think they're like,
give me the halle Berry Storm x three look because this was one of
the biggest movies at the time. It made tons of months. Yeah,
but then her hairstyle like ended up being like this as well too for a
long time. So I think this is like that, this is halle Berry's
Storm. Yeah no, no, no, no, enough for Storm,
but like her Halle Barry for her actual like yeah, her was like disagree.
I think it was shorter, fam. I feel like it was shorter
earlier, earlier, like in the nineties. Yeah, let us know what
you think about Berry's hair. It's fine. At this point, we get
a scene between Xavier and Storms just saying, hey, Scott's gone, yeah
about him? Well know this is before he's dead. This is he kind
of insinuates that he wants her to take over because Scott's all like destroyed.
He left. Yeah, held this emotional logan miss there banter but yeah,
my the only about because I have a note that you know, Storm's in
a bad mood. Whatever. So Xavier comes on the balcony and she just
has the weather dark, and he's like, oh, what's going on.
She's like sorry, she's like the forecast said sunny clear sky. Just like
to me, it's like, what a bit. She's in a bad mood
and she's making the weather bad for everyone else, like go away, Like
she can't control that. Maybe she can't, but it seems like she could.
Very upset and you can control the weather. You're not gonna be like,
oh, I'm gonna make it nice and sunny for everybody else when I'm
I feel like she couldn't control it. That's that's just a guess. But
okay, I'll gree with you. I eski as both she could I stand
the little stag. Clearly, I think we were all agreeing she would be
the de facto leader if Cyclops is f and off under I still think she
should probably be the leader over us, over well Cyclops. Like yeah,
in the movies, keyword there, Like first, what twenty minutes of X
two he got kidnapped? Like man, if she would if he would have
brought Storm to see make needle, they probably wouldn't find. She's just in
a lightning bolt down. But Scott's gonna ass Scott's having a tough time security
guards in these movies. Yeah, I think, well, Storm in general,
she's a lot more I guess in these movies is very like straightforward thinking
and like which doesn't really like get her emotions get to her too much.
I also think that's just lazy writing because I think they didn't want to do
the struggle of writing her to give her emotions. So there's like, oh,
she's a straightforward character. Oh is that what you think? I think?
So, like, what how does she develop in this movie? She
doesn't change it all right, Like no one changes the leader is that's like
her situation. But her as a person, the only person that I guess
would change is rogue and maybe I guess wol Rain would, but like it's
very quick, just like yeah, you know, but I don't she who
was she? I think the only thing that's changed from her at the star
of this franchise to this one is like she lost her accent. Other than
that, like she's a no development. I know nothing about and hair,
but like I know nothing about her still, you know, like that's a
fair point. I didn't really like pick up on it. Yeah, but
I know nothing about Scott, and then like I know nothing about most of
the people, and I get kind of go back. I kind of wish
that. I guess this movie is about like Gene and like Rise of the
Phoenix, but Logan. It's always about Logan. But I kind of wish
we got this like little intro about her earlier, like one or Gene.
I think they didn't want to do that though, because that would spoil them
potentially killing it off and bringing Phoenix so right, So they the one to
hold that back if they were planning it, because if they show you a
flashback of her being real powerful, you'd be like, oh, it clearly
is gonna happen, where as non combook people, you don't have that idea.
Oh she's this evil for ye, but then they give you to you
at the beginning of the movie. Yeah, because this movie is about her,
right, So I guess there's the only time they could do it.
There's no foreshadowing anymore. She's on the poster. She's definitely coming back,
right, so make that work up. And I guess now I feel bad
for Storm because she could have had a lot more to do. Oh yeah,
they could have really developed that all of them instead of the whole angel
scene. They could have had this. Oh yeah, they did not any
angel in this movie at all. No, No, they didn't need like
really like we'll get into it because we're gonna get more than the Cure,
but they don't really need the Like they should have decided either the Cure or
Dark Phoenix. You don't do both. Yeah, no, okay, but
that's a good point. I was gonna say, you can't really have like
the Cure without like the angel like conflict between him like trying to hide it
from his dad and he could though, because how does he affect the actual
X Men? Though? Right, he doesn't. Uh. He goes to
the mansion and asks, I know this is a bad time. Yeah,
just died. Well. To be fair, before that, they were like,
Okay, well the school's gonna have to be shut down. He shows
up and then Storm's like, no, it's still a school. Maybe.
She's like no, I think I'm out. And then this guy comes in.
It's like, oh, yeah, no, I got I gotta be
there for him. Uh. And then at this point we get introduced to
what is going on with the Brotherhood of Mute and so there's a big meeting
going on a church they're talking about because they just the b scene was just
them saying we found a mute that could create a cure, and there's talking
about the dangers of that. This is we see Mystique, we see Pyro,
who is awful hair in this movie, Magneto's there doesn't so bad.
Product of the intimidation had mid mid odds, Hey, Bobby had that like
the previous movies didn't it. He did, but was stolen. But Bobby's
not supposed to be evil, you know, and like if that guy is
supposed no, but I mean, like, I feel like you're supposed to
be the evil side intimidating. The second I saw Power, I'm like that's
not intimidating. I could kick his ass. I don't have powers like he
had, like like even that whole little squad that they have there for like
this brotherhood suicides. Like you think he would have like some sort of better
costumes than just like wearing regular clothes like driving driving gloves, yeah, sweater
Yeah. And then I thought he can't create fire, he can only manipulate
it. He can't. But like Magneedle gave him like almost like an instant
lighter on his wrist. He just flicks it like that kid from US.
He has no spoiler, no, no, no, but there it's a
This kid literally just has like a like a flicker like toy that can create
a little spark. That's it. It's no spoil at all. But yeah,
so he has a device now where he can just like insta fire.
So it's still yeah, so they're just they're just going on a but oh
yeah, it's probably trademark somewhere the Shamwal guy has it. They're going off
about like, oh, the cure is gonna blah blah blah, it's gonna
affect us, And the main guy's like they're not going to force the cure.
And the Magneto just at the background they yeah, they never quote from
me, You've actually I had the quote and you maybe just forget it,
I think he said. I think he said something like they never uh uh
force force something, they just do it. And then he stands up.
One thing I hate about the scene is everyone kind of like looks like Adam,
like what's going on. I feel like everyone know who the fuck Magneto
is, and I feel like everyone treats him like this is the first time
we're mating Magneto, didn't you? Did No one get that vibe from all
the other mutons, well, Pyro, I don't even remember what his real
name is, I guess, but they're not really looking at him as a
leader. They're just looking at some old dude. There's some guy who just
keeps you. But to me, he is in these movies. He was
like the first mutant to like strike back at the humans. Right. To
me, this would be like the like, oh, we should listen to
the sky. Even not everyone watches the news though apparently yeah that or yeah
that's true too. That's a good But then like once Power was like,
don't you know who this is? Everyone's like whoa, Okay, I kind
of know who this guy is. Some people there's the one girl who does
the shockwave. She just always looks confused. Always there's nothing going on with
that character. All there's nothing between the ears and the lights are on,
but no one's home. Uh yeah, and then what do you think about
the scene? Honestly, we got uh. I cannot remember all some of
these people introduced because I'm a huge X Men fan, But I mean there's
thousands of munes that I forget. There was one muton that was like crawling
on the wall, look like you kind of had like a long time.
I'm like, man, Toad's back, what's going on? Some people do
think that's Toad after like a lightning strike. You think you'd be like Magneto,
what's up? But I'm still good man, put me in coach now
you failed us last time? Man? Yeah, I don't know. I
just find the whole scene to kind of like them grouping up, Like I
don't I can get why, Like Magneto is like, people are like who
is this? Like who's this guy who thinks he could be our leader type
thing? And this guy's but don't you know who this guy is? Yeah,
I guess you kind of do. But like it's like, oh,
I kind of know you about why should I follow you? You don't give
me any reason. Well, they do. Remember he's a class for mutant,
remember they that's introduced, but no one knows. Yeah, the whole
classing system. I had a big Well let's get into because it's introduced.
We've never had this in any movies. And that's what I'm trying to pull
up the mutans in this one so I can actually refer them. Well,
there's the the two white guy who's that stand up that he had with Pyrol
though, and then he's like, he's like, don't you know you're talking
to you, like pulls up his insta flame and then he's like don't you
and he just pulls out like his puffers. Fin It's like, no,
I don't where were you in X two? I feel like even though with
his frostic tips, Pyro could kick the ship out of this guy. Yeah,
he's the same night, But that's what I mean, Like he's guys
Like maybe that's what they're trying to show, is that who are these people
who just come in here like thinking they could just run the show and so
they're like, well, like, obviously Pyro's some like punk kid who's trying
to like show up, and it's like, who are you? Like,
step off? Just step off? So yeah, so I'm trying to try
to figure out who has it, but she injures the classing system and that's
how they kind of go like, oh so you she goes, oh,
I know, no one in this room is a higher than a class three
than you two. So they don't specific uh specifically say what I class Magneto
and John are. I would hope that Magneto is a higher class empire even
though, but like the way they the way they phrase that, they phrase
it like they're the same level, and to me it's like no and then
over yeah, and then it leads to the can be like, oh,
can you find one for me? But yeah, what do you want to
think about or what do you want to bring up with this classing system?
So well, at first I was gonna mention the chick I obviously don't know.
I'm trying to figure out is like fast and can Callisto Callisto? Yeah?
To me, they really pulled some deep, some deep cuts for the
mutants. Here, go ahead, what do you mean by that well,
because like even me, Marvel's like, oh you don't they are? Yeah,
like or I have a general idea. I think the one that's in
shock Waves is also like a combination too. And that's the problem with like
early Marvel movies that me up as a kid is a lot of Suddens,
Like, let's just combine these characters and it's like this eight year old trying
to learn and she's like, oh fuck, I don't know who this is
now. So but even for me as an X Men fan, it's my
favorite Mark And I'm not like, you know, the biggest com book fan.
I don't want to see any comics. Oh you're not a fan.
Yeah, there's millions of different fans out there that know a lot more than
me. But I this is definitely like some of these people are deep cuts
that they were pulling out I think for this one, and I don't know,
I don't know why because Calisto is there. Cool, but go so
Calisto is who were dealing with Yes, sorry, I'd asked that question,
and I think, well, I think it's fine because even let's on this
kind of stepping back from this, our question here is that all these I
find like these early X Men movies kind of like as what you're saying for
these comic books, they don't really seem like there's some sort of like timeline
or like there's no like bigger idea thought process that we see now with obviously
with the mcuh. Yeah, it's kind of like one guy's just like,
wouldn't be cool if they had classes for like the X Men. Yeah,
and that's like how like the Spider Man film, Well, not really like
it's just like, well, they all I think they all kind of work
that way till Faii stepped in. Like even now you look at Chizam and
Aukaman, they kind of have some ties, but they're not really they're going
back to that now, right because it didn't work. But I think these
more so then. I feel like nowadays even directors will sit down and be
like, oh, if I did make a second one this way I do.
I feel like early two thousand comic movies were just one at a time
and we'll deal with it as it goes along and see what happens. Yeah,
And I and it also is like especially as we I think you're also
saying that because of origins what you just watching. I feel like as this
franchise goes on, they just do not pay any attention to con nudy or
whatnot. They just go like just make they treat all these movies like their
else world sometimes like the Joker movie where it's like, oh, just play
around it and do an else world. Somethings just feel like that they don't
feel like they're in the same universe. What do you want to tell these
classes? I was just I want to know, Yeah, I wanted to
know like where they came from. I wasn't sure if it was an actual
like conflict thing. No, I don't know. I not that I know.
No, this is they maybe could have put in the mood or comments
at some point, but this is this is not a popular thing from quans
I've read or the cartoon series of My class. Are they just trying to
like, uh really a push home, push forward the meaning of how strong
Phoenix is if she's this class one? Yeah, I think some people are
like pretty weak ass. Yeah. And I think it's also for like the
mainstream people that kind of get it like okay, if they're a class or
whatever and she's class that. But I don't think you you needed that,
No at all, not at all, and like I wanted to ask to
for you're making baseball cards or maybe again, like just showing that they're just
more powerful than everyone else in the room, right, like forgetting the past
two movies over, Magnio has led multiple anti human terist attacks that Calisto characters.
So when she so she knows we're Titans or Titans, she knows we're
mutants, are she can track them up? And does she knows and she
knows their powers or she is how powerful they are. I think she knows
how powerful they are. So it's like, and did she see is she
looking at you and seeing like, oh, Tray's class two? Yeah,
I guess so, which I don't understand. I don't even understand how she
can. I don't even understand how she can track down a mistique I'm pulling
up with her comic books. So her abilities are yeah, Like I don't
even that's what I mean with these movies. Why I may know his character
but not abilities, uh, superhuman senses, hide and strength, speed,
agility, reflexes, accelerated healing factory. So I feel like you know the
part where her and Storm fight and she's moving really quick. I generally feel
like that's her actual power. And in the movie, they're just like,
we're gonna give her some of this because like I never remember that and from
comic book, like I said, those are abilities, don't list any of
Oh she gonna sense this. So yeah, this is why I like,
I probably don't know her because this version is not I don't think it's a
real version. It's just like, oh, this character is kind of cool,
but we need we need someone to do this for a plot point of
class, so I just give it to her. Okay, yeah, okay,
cool. Yeah. I just had to ask that because I was so
confused watching fair Enough. You know, don't worry. There's lots of stuff
too. Uh, we'll go over quick like Scott, because we don't have
much to talk about. We already Scott. We'll bring him up quickly.
Let's see where are we. Okay, Yeah, so this is the part
we talk about Scott. But this is the part where he goes out like
he had those visions. Gene is just in this bubble randomly, and then
she's just like I can control it now and all this. I know it's
a movie, and I know it's gonna pan out, all right. But
when she asked him to open his eyes and he's like no, and she's
like I can control it, and he still does it, I would still
be like, well, could you just still, like at least step to
the side and let me like what happens? If she didn't and he just
blew her the funk away, he'd be so much more depressed than he was.
That would be so funny your back, Gene, what do we think
We talk about Scott Donald, but what do we think about the actual death
scene of like them kissing her like kind of turning like him into like I
don't know, he's type of veiny and like I don't know what's happening to
him, but what kind of like a rogue? Yeah, what do we
think about like Jean's actual reveals Phoenix and her killing Scott off. Like we
talked about Scott, we didn't talk about her and she back officially very power,
So why did she kill him? Because she's the dark Phoenix, right,
she just wants more power? But like why because she's not Geene anymore
because he had to go film Superman Returns, but like in her screen anymore.
But even It is weird because like they don't give the Phoenix any motivation
for her to be doing anything. They kind of do. I kind of
think with the Cure stuff because you kind of like okay, or even with
Xavier, I could see because like, oh, he's trying to control like
put the as logan says, like five times this movie put the Beast back
in the cage, like like we get it, logo wellvering newer experiment years
ago. Fuck. But I don't have a solid answer for you why she
tries to skill Scott because he doesn't try to stop or to do anything,
like it's he just she just kills him and he didn't well obviously, like
I guess you're not going to fight back because you think, like this is
the person you love and all. Well, I didn't think he saw it
coming. I think it was too late for him. Yeah, like his
powers even worked. She just turned e Yeah. I don't know, I'm
gonna just missed selling. But I was under the impression that she was just
like absorbing his power. So you think he's not dead, No, Like
I think that's why she killed him, is like I can take this guy's
life for us and become stronger, but we don't get that said in the
movie right exactly, Like I don't know if I missed it, like killing
other people to do that same thing when feeding off three. I guess that's
fair. It was just really weird there. Yeah, they like what Travis
said. It's just like they did not give the phoenix any or they didn't
flesh it out for like any motivation to do anything. Well, no,
and because like so other than Scott's problems, the whole movie, it's like
this happens like twenty five half an hour in and the whole movie has been
like the cure, this and that Magne's talking about the cure, and then
all of a sudden, Scott's on a bike on alcohol, like and you're
like, right, Jean's in this movie, and the dark Phenex in this
movie, and it just pops like so many times, like I know it's
a spoiler, not spoiler. I'm down to the end. But when they
win the big battle and Logan's just like Geane, it's over and all those
like soldiers Shooter, it's just like, right, we have to close up
this Phoenix thing. She's not a part of that battle at all. And
then she's just like they win and just like oh and then it goes to
ship. It's like every that's what it feels like. Every time she's in
this they just feel like they forgot about the Phoenix storyline, Like right,
put her back, so many different plots, Yeah, where can we fit
in? Oh, we'll put her here perfect like other than the maybe once
we get back to her place and that she's just like falling Magneedo around.
She's walking around, she's flying around like she doesn't like like why she kill
I don't know. She's just evil Okay, yeah, cool, definitely lazy
around there talking about evil people. This is when we get Magneto and his
band of mutes. They're breaking Mystique out and they're also collecting so they we
meet a multiple man, we meet Juggernaut, and do we meet anyone else
there? I don't think so. I think it's just those it's those two
at the Stique. To me, this is the moment where this actually felt
like a bad MCU movie, because like the Juggernauts humor and his jokes.
To me, this just felt like a mirror dimension. Like, man,
this would be the MCU if it was bad, you know, like I
totally pictured him as like Rhino, but like this movie to me, like
there's so many equips, but like most of them don't work, like other
than the beast and logan stuff like the humanness doesn't work. But yeah,
and then obviously we get the cures weaponize what do we think about this?
And the Stike gets taken out and left behind? Oh right, I forgot
she got shot. Character was so cold form Magneto just one hundred percent,
and like obviously we haven't gone there yet in this world where you go back
in time and you like realize like how close those two are and like,
yeah, like you feel like there's like like that would be a lot more
important to him than if Pyro got shot. Right, Yeah, no,
one hundred percent. She's not one of us anymore. I kind of blocked
that part out. Another character's gone very quickly. That's it. Yeah,
I like that at the end when you are like at the after that scene
he's walking away and she's like He's like she was so beautiful and everything like
that, But that one I it will get to it. I still feel
like I get that she's not one of them, but yeah, it just
feels like they've been through so much it'd still be like, yeah, I
don't know, maybe she could. She's still she might still be on your
side because like, oh, I understand when you guys are going through,
you know, but just to turn it so that to me, I can
kind of work it but doesn't really feel the magnito. We've gone so far,
let's see. And then at this point, how do we get what?
How do we get Storm and uh? Because my notes completely jumped,
how do we get? Uh? Logan and Storm to go to Alkhali Lake
at this point, Oh, because they're looking for Scott. Scott. Yeah,
Xavier like felt something right and he's like going to alcohol, like yeah,
yeah. So they go there. It's all floaty and ship and then
I'm jumping for it. But they find Gene and then this is the part
where Logan and Xavier have their conversation about how Xavier is like, oh,
I had to he gives the backstory of this phoenix blah blah blah, I
had to lock her up. Logan makes this crack about the putting the animal
in the cage and everything, and then uh, Logan and Jean Gene wakes
up. There's some hot, heavy action going on Jane turn Logan's like,
hey, where Scott. She kind of is flipping in and out of Logan
or Gene Jane in the Phoenix and then it goes to shit and she escapes.
Yeah. Uh, I I don't know how I feel about this scene.
It was I don't know. I just felt like it, like it
kind of makes sense because Logan's just so blinded with his love for Gene,
right, and obviously that's what he sees. He doesn't see her as the
phoenix of this evil character and like how dangerous she actually is. But like,
well even it wasn't that background story of like what Exavier was doing to
her as well too, I think he has that more emotional Okay, See,
I feel like I like blinked or something when that scene happened, because
remember earlier when I was asking like how they like caged her up in the
first place. I think I just missed that part. But uh, was
it Logan that like led her out? Because I I feel like she just
did it, Like she just would have got out even if Logan wasn't there.
She did just well, I think she was just sitting there and like
the screens just come up or whatever. And she just pops up. I
can't remember. Maybe he did he like touch the head gear. Maybe I'm
not sure. He might have just been like brushing her hair or something that's
off, but uh yeah, I think she was going to escape no matter
what. I think maybe the idea because Xavier Rayway comes back, he's like,
what did you do? I think the idea is that he didn't like
call anyone right away that she woke up, but he should have been,
like, I mean, a buzz professor. He took his time to like
he think he could fix it, yeah, or do something else. For
a while, he was good for Logan. He did turn her down,
but like for a while, wasn't going that route, you know, so
scumbag Logan coming in and you know Scott's dead. He thought it through,
but it took a little while to get there. So, Kyle, what
do you think about this scene? It's it was great. Do you not
remember this scene well, because so we were kind of jumping back we're talking
about at the alcohol ache. No, this is well combining it all,
like when they found they bring her back, I don't even remember, Like
how do they find dream? Was she just walking? You know, she's
just on the ground, on the ground. She's laying on the ground,
and then they pick her up and they're like, worre Scott? And then
I think they find like some his sunglasses or something like floating floating so cool,
Like I guess it's just like very like lackluster of like why like it
goes back to why Scott dead? But then we're back at like we don't
even like this just makes me soun questions because just because Scott is gone and
we don't even like go in depth of like what's happening or or like no,
none of the other characters like give any acknowledgment to this at all.
Logan does ask where Scott and then we never hear about it again. Yeah,
it's like he's like going back at the mansion when they're making and then
he's like, what happened to Scott? Yeah, exactly give me some issues
over theirs, I am, but just ignore me, Taylor. And then
even when they're back at the at the mansion as well too, Like I
didn't think it was too bad. It was exciting just off your mic off,
I still hear it. Yeah, So when they're back at the matching
and they're kind of just going through the motions of everything what's going on.
I think like even at that part, like for me, it was it
was just kind of all right, Like even though it's nice to see like
Logan reconnect with with Gene again and like trying to like help her like figure
out what's going on because he's got this background information of what's happened and that's
why he has like a lot of sympathy for her, and you know what,
like he should have like talked to Professor X to like try to like
make things better. But he was also an animal and cage ones too,
so he understands. So you understand. No, I agree with what you're
saying though, because that whole scene with how like important it should have been.
Of like Jane died in the last movie, it was huge. Logan
was hit like his lover is gone. Yeah, and then Scott's just missing,
like you know he was there because his glasses were there, and it
felt like that whole uh, just scene of after the Gene then go back
to the mansion and then she escapes like I felt like you just floated through
that. It's just like there's nothing even really here. I don't know it
just it felt like it could have been so much more meaningful than it actually
was. Yeah. Yeah, And then after that, I think the Evil
Munes are still just kind of hanging out. And then uh, Clestos like,
oh, I've got a reading of a Mune that's like class five higher
than you, two higher than I've ever read. And then we get the
scene up. We got Magneto and his crew going to Jean's house, and
then we got a Xavier story and there, yeah, she's there going to
her house, and then yeah, what do we think about the events that
full? Here also got Xavier trying to talk gene bat or talk Phoenix back
into Jeane. You got Magneedo who's not helping the situation, but he's just
like you've always told her back. And then it leads to big fight scenes
going on, and then it leads to Jane killing Xavier. Another death within
I don't know, first four or five minutes, it's like three of them.
So he totally just vanished too. Like I I wasn't convinced he was
even dead, honestly, I was like he just got transported to like another
realm because he just he just pooves well, he does kind of forgot to
make you guys watch it for him, But there is an end credits scene
at this movie. Yeah, I forgot so at the beginning of the movie
when he's talking that doctor more Tagart who which doesn't make sense timeline because Mara
is uh ends up being that young girl in first class that he has a
relationship with, but in this movie he is i g. A six year
old man and she is in her like mid thirties, So it doesn't make
sense, but whatever, that's the I digress. Yeah, she's talking about
how if it's right to go in a conscious body. It's a guy in
the Koma and talking about like the idea of could you go into a conscious
body? But is that right for you to do? At the end of
this movie, he does, Like the end credits scene, is this Koma
guy. You don't see his face, but more is like working on some
stuff and he's like hello, Mara, and she's like Charles. So he
like put his consciousness into some other person's body. Oh yeah, well what
dude? Yeah, so maybe that explains why he just evaporated. But he
did evaporate, so what do we think about this? It was kind of
upsetting, like like what do you emotional emotionally like kind of just watch Exavier
just like I don't know, like snap, like flick, just dust away.
Yeah, and you know, like even the kind of like the I
don't know why there's so much fighting happening as well too, Like well they
want them to get to Gene, Yeah, I guess, but like I
feel like there's like a lot of unnecessary stuff of just like this, the
whole fight scenes going up to it, and I guess, I guess you
don't want to get hurt to Geene, but and you're trying to work together
to like but I don't know, I'm confused. Someone else talk. I
really like the scene, like once they get thouse, it's like what happened
to the living there in the first place? I like, yeah, we
don't know what happened to him. I like I like the ending of this
scene because I like, I think the person that sells the best. That
is why we will get into origins and whatnot. But I think Hugh Jackman
and Xavier do a good job at making this scene, even though it's very
rushed, even though it's uh should be done much better. Even though there's
been so much about the cure you still care about Exavier, and you've had
X one and X two, so it is this killing of a major character.
And I love Exavier when he just like his last like line Surgey and
just like, don't let it control you. And I like that even in
his last moments, he's still just trying to help her out. And I
think that the score is really good in this moment when like Jean's losing her
mind. She's put everyone in the roof and you just see Logan klawn his
way and he's trying to get there, and I think he just sells so
great him just yelling know in that moment he and even I'll give it to
halle Berry too when they are like Xayer blows up and even too, they
do a great thing. They have Magneed will be like Charles, like they
show even in this moment where he's like feeling bad, like yeah, his
friend's about to die, and the moment when Wolverine runs back in the house
and all you see is the chair and he just like looks at Storm and
it's like they both have that realization and he just collapsed to his knees and
she like falls on top of him It's like I said, to me,
it's a great scene in a not so great movie. That team should have
so much more build up. It's such a big character. But if you
just isolating that, isolate that scene alone. I think with the score and
the production and the acting, it's done really well. And to me it
is like are package Stewart does a good job, But I think it's just
Hugh Jackman's emotions in that scene legitimately sell like the weight of what just happened.
I know, and I I agree with what both of you guys said,
because like you brought a good points about like it was such a good
scene in a bad movie, and then you brought a good scene. It's
just like or you brought up a good point rather of a good scene about
like the build up to that scene was just so like, Yeah, it's
just so convoluted, and that's messy. Mess literally Begneil's like keep them out
of the house, and Juggernaut hits Oreene and throws them into the house,
and it's just like what is going on here? It was just get into
the house, throw these Yeah, it was just an action scene for the
sake of an action scene. I think that that part was at least yeah,
but uh, what what you mentioned I want to touch upon is uh
the moment that Charles actually like poofs and then Magneto because it's like that's basically
his rival. But like Magneto, yeah, like he never would have thought
that he would be the one killing Charles, right or even like seeing him
dies, like he's always gonna be around, He's always gonna be my my
joker, my batman, right, So when that actually happens, and he's
just like shocked, like that actually happened, and then you know, evil
Magneto comes back, Oh, come here, come here, Gene, no
one can control you now, and they do a good set up later on
when Pyro's like, oh, if you would have given me a chance,
So I killed the old moll myself, and he just stops him, and
he's like he just lays down the line. You have no idea what Exavier
did for me, and so don't even talk about that. And that's what's
strange because you have that Magneto, but then you also have that Magnia who
left mystique. And also I'm jumping forward a little bit, is the big
battle scene when he sends out all those guys and he says, the pawns
go first. My Magnia, who my ideas, would not do that to
me. He does not view other mutos, right, yeah, exactly to
me the X one x two Magneto does not fit a lot of what he
does there, so for him to refer to other people of as kind as
pawns, We're like, who ever's writing this movie does not understand what Magneto
is. They have a few ideas, but they do not get the whole
grasp of the character because he would not do that. And that's why it's
strange in this movie. Sometimes he is old Magni and no. Other times
he's just like I'm evil and I'm here to fuck up the X Man.
You hit the nail on the head right there. That's exactly what I was
gonna say, because it's like Magneto is so not the normal Magneedo from like
even just the past two movies, let alone like the comics and everything.
But it's just like he's so all over the place. And then you get
a scene like the Charles scene or when he says Piro, like you have
no idea what that guy did for me? It's right, Oh that's Magneto,
Yeah exactly, and then he's just like, oh, yeah, she's
not one of us, no more. The puns go for it like just
I don't know. It was definitely a mess with like some bright patches in
there. I feel. Also, I got a question I saw stan Lee
cameo. Was it in that scene or was it at the beginning? Yeah,
because when jeans do not stuff, the water goes right. Yeah,
when he's hosing. Yeah, when he's hosing. Kyle, did you have
anything to add he or you want to just leave with your thoughts on that?
I think so. I think I I was trying to get my thoughts
out at the beginning, and then I think you hit it because I had
a problem with the fight at the beginning until you like. But I liked
the scene of when Jeane starts going like brings up the whole house and the
intensity goes up and the fights are now done and it's just between Gene and
Xavier and when they're just like looking at each other, and then even when
he goes and he looks and Logan like opens up the door and then he
looks at Xavier last smile like that grin yeah, and you're like, oh
man, and Logan knows what's coming. Yeah, and he's like Charles and
I love you see like the skin on his like knuckles like burning off really
cool. Yeah, So that was it. My only thing I had on
that scene that as a negative is when they're Xavier mcneed are going back and
forth about like, you know, don't control you've always held her black blah
blah blah, and he's something like to control it and mean Neiel's like,
I think he wants to give you the cure. And for me, it's
like she has no context of what you're talking about because she's in a fucking
like bubble for years and then she was at the mansion she broke out the
Winter Parents, so she has no idea what magnio' stom about. It's just
them trying to add back in like, oh, remember this is the same
movie. I think you want to give her the key and what is this
matter to her? She just trying to throw gas on the fire. Yeah,
like she has no idea what you're talking about. But that I think
was just again like them trying to interweave these storylines and it doesn't work out.
Uh, yeah, and then after that, Yeah, Xavier is dead.
And there's just one little thing I love like Wolverine when he's on the
ground here Jackman on his knees, he's just like punching the sky. He's
just so mad, but he's like you can tell he's just exhaust just like
little things that Jackman does, so fantastic. Magneto pimps off with Jeane,
like let's get you out of here. Then we get the funeral, and
we haven't really talked about this because it wasn't my note, so we kind
of skipped over it. So at the funeral we got exist. So yeah,
Scott, no funeral, but Xavier funeral, huge gravestone. He even
gets like a nice little fire going on all the time. Uh. So
it's very sad and everything like that. Everyone's dressed up nice. Logan's on
he's just on the bulk and he watched this all go down. Classic Wolverine.
So we haven't talked about this at all. But Bobby is sitting in
between Rogue and Kitty and he holds both their hands. There's a scene we
didn't talk about earlier in the movie. There's a scene they we didn't talk
about earlier in the movie where Rogues kind of she's pissy about something and Bobby's
like, Bobby's like, and Bobby's like, what's wrong? And then she
just I can't remember how it comes along, but she just says something like,
I know what you want. That's what every guy does, just only
want one thing exactly. So, like we hinted about, there is this
like pseudo love triangle going on, but not really, but there is.
As far as Rogue and Bobby are together. Bobby and Kitty are just friends,
but like she sees them touching, hanging out, she's getting jealous.
And even so, and let's talk about this, we haven't talked about all
I don't. Yeah, so I didn't at this point completely. Bobby has
the high ground. He can say whatever he wants. And I get that
Exavier has died, but I think it was a little balls at the funeral
to be holding both her hands and it didn't add anything good to this situation.
So what do we think about all them? Bobby, Rogue, and
Kitty for the first of being paid played by Ellen Page in this movie.
So what do we think about this dynamic? The right of the hop I'm
notorious Ellen Page like fanboy, so I'm obviously in team Ellen Page and team
Kitty in this one. But uh, that's totally just like my young my
younger days, just totally crushing on that character. But uh, yeah,
I don't know rogue was. I don't know, like if you think,
like if you look at it from her point of view, obviously it's a
shitty situation, like you have this boyfriend you can't you can't even kiss,
can't touch her anything. And then oh absolutely that. Yeah, yeah,
we'll get to because she's seen coming out with her and Storm, and Storm
is one of the most self righteous. Oh no, that was earlier.
We'll get to I'll bring it up. But it's yeah, yeah, she's
Logan as well too. I had a good scene though, that was after
the after the funeral, Yeah, because she's thinking about leaving right and Lowan's
like, I hope you're not the lean about for some boy for the good
reasons. And they have a great scene. But that's the only interaction they
have again, which sucks, but I can't understand. But I love their
chemistry. I forgot about that scene. I actually really liked it too,
because it's like I'm not like I'm not your dad. I'm not going to
stop you, but I just wanted you to do it for the right reason,
do it for you, for him exactly. And at no point though,
has ever been like you should maybe think about this cure. It's all
man. Yeah, he's definitely just like a team girl, like you know,
the amost the chemistry going on in her mind. But uh, going
back to the love triangle where we just we were just talking about review,
I forg I forget what we talk about, Beau, we haven' talked about
the three characters all either too. You were you were just talking. I
was just I was just fanboying over Kitty officially. Well, yeah, it's
nice to see just all of them in general, like part of the team.
I've a big quite I don't really know what Rogue would do, like
he's part of the team. I don't know heither like sneaks up on someone,
like grabs his ankle, because like I feel like in the comments make
her a lot more powerful. She doesn't do this in this movie, but
in the comics and animated series at times she's been the pilot. So maybe
you could say that, But yeah, I don't know, especially against the
sentinels and this rogue. But like Rogue in the comics, like I've told
you guys several times, she has her powers from Captain Marvel, So not
only can she fly, she has like super strength. This in that this
rogue does not have that, like Rogue has been known, like she could
fly to his sentinel and just like punch its head off. This rogue couldn't
be doing that, So I don't know why she's there. That's why I
like, okay, I'm jumping back. We forgot this. When Beast originally
came to school to tell them about the cure and Rogue comes in, She's
like, oh, is it true there's a cure, And then Storm's like
no, because there's nothing wrong with us. Fuck you, Like you have
no idea what Rogue's been through, and that's everybody. It's like she has
the worst power ever won for her life. And two this movie is not
shown anyway that she can use this power to do good for the team,
So it's like, fuck you tell me I shouldn't be using this cure.
Like Storm is so self righteous in this movie. It's ridiculous. I don't
really think she's part of the team at all. She's just more of a
student who goes to this. No, she's on the team though, remember
that the beginning that training room she has her own suit now, so she's
there. She got to see Bobby save Kitty and Ky, so we didn't
see her do anything in this scene. She was just spectator. Yeah classic.
Yeah again, I kind of forgot where I was going with my train
of thought. I was just fanboying over Elm Page. Yeah, that rogue
and Bobby. Bobby doesn't get much to do. He's fine. I still
like that. Actors. Ye, I'll quickly touch upon what you mentioned at
the funeral. I wasn't too triggered about it because I don't I don't know
obviously, like take my bias out of for Ellen Page, but uh,
I don't know. It's it's like Kitty the character, she doesn't really have
anyone to like for emotional support there, and like she does say that like
the professor was like a really big part of her life, right, Like
you get to see like even when she wasn't Ellen Page playing Kitty, she
was in his classes sometimes. Yeah, so like and just for all mutants
that were at that school, like he was basically a father figure for people
that didn't have that right, So what did you think with ice skating sea
ice skating scene? I mean, and that's how I was pretty bold.
I'm not gonna that was more than just like hey, this is just a
girls school. It's like, yeah, like gonna make her feel good exactly,
just like giving someone a hand at a funeral, like I'll buy but
it's like you want to go have some fun. Yeah, I miss Winter.
You know you have rogue and he's thinking, oh you you might be
interested in me. I don't have rogue right now. Maybe you should bring
rogue along skating? No, like it, we can't hold her hand.
Yeah, I'll give you that one though. That was definitely bold. Probably
sees that, and that's kind of the like tipping point of like I'm out
of here. So so yeah, overall, I mean, it definitely wasn't
there's so many there's so much things going on in this movie, but that
definitely was a minor one on like even all this different subplots that they had.
Oh yeah, so I wasn't too invested in that. I actually really
like this little awkward loved triangle, yeah, because it just like a's kind
of something different because this movie, Like now we're really diving into it.
Like it's just kind of all over the place. But this is like what
I like about all over the place where like someone is just doing something super
like low key scummy and you're like, dude, what are you doing?
Like but like this is so good and want to be watching Oh yeah,
Like I don't want to be in it at all, but like this is
great, like your logan, just like I hope you're doing the right thing.
Yeah, you do you look out for yourself. Yeah, let me
a fuck off and deal with my psycho ex girlfriend out there now. Yeah,
so good. Even like so like yeah, I'm totally fine with the
whole funeral, like him holding hands. It's more of like a cumunity thing
of like you know, just they have each other, so it's all good.
Good. Like if there's more people like kind of holding each other and
like sobbing, then it would make that a little bit better. But that
didn't happen. But that's fine. But even like their communications, like when
Kiddy was like, oh, like you know, he was like a father
figure too, or like he was like he really means something, like he
brought me here. It's like yeah, and Frost. He just says,
yeah, he brought me here too, like everyone else had the exact same
thing, like you're not by yourself on here, like talk to Colosses Jesus,
Yeah, no kidding. So anyways, I love the love triangle.
I thought it was great, but then it's just like and then after I
guess when once some rogue left that kind of look, she's not in the
rest of It's not even like Bobby and Kitty are getting it on right now.
You know, everyone just goes in the wrong corners. There's a great
scene where Bobby is looking for Rogue and they show the Colossales walking the hallway
and he's just carrying this massive TV. It's just went arm and he's like,
she left a few hours ago. Where she goes, I don't know.
And I like the subtleness of just like cause he is so strong,
he's just car like. It's just so casual. So it's like he's not
in it a lot. But I just loved all the scenes and glosses in
there. He just doesn't give a fuck. All these people lies. I
just want to be an X man. You know, he's no storylines or
whatever. I before you go, I want to quickly mention on the Love
Triangle. Now's the time because we're never gonna talk about it. There they
had such like potential to have like a kiddie and rogue like scene where they
talk. I don't think they even talked about once. No, it was
so weird when they get to the trivia because I got another fun thing to
add to the sprinkle of what was possibly in there. But before we get
into that, at this point, the CIA, whoever they are, whoever's
working with them. Oh and also I forgot to mention Beasts was pissed that
he found out that they were using the cure as a weapon, so he
left and he's with the X Men. Now, did you like the Love
Triangle? Uh? Yeah, we didn't hear your opinion. Yeah, yes,
for comedic value. No for story because it's just so thin. It's
not it's so thin. It's never really touched upon again. But uh yeah.
The thing is, I guess it helps is I like all those actors
in there, But it just feels very much like when we did the spimn
Retch of TV show. Just so paper thin. It just feels That's why
it just feels like back when I was in middle school or high school.
Like that's what I feel. If this was like a Zoe Won on One
show, it'd be like, oh, this makes sense, but these people
are in their early twenties, like they shouldn't be like nah, no that
they're still in school. Yeah, fair enough, it should happens all the
time after that. Whoever, the government has figured out where Magneto's camp is
and everything like that. Oh I like that scene are about the woods?
Yes, multiple man, the only three scene I've I'm trying to figure out.
Yeah, that is okay, I'm trying to figure out the order of
it. So anyway, so they're like, oh, how do we figure
this out? So Hell have no wrath like a woman's scorn. One,
I don't understand why, and maybe it's her cutting a deal, but mystique
should for sure be in prison. She should not just be being able to
walk up the government. Yeah they do, because remember the president says like,
Hell have no fear like a woman's scorn. He turned her back on
her And that's the only reason why. That's why this is not a good
movie, because they they they sabotage Magneto's character just so they could have mystique,
come back later, try and screw them, and and yeah, it's
turned out that the camp is just multiple man and then I think after that
is when we get the scene of Logan's getting here in gene thoughts, and
then he goes to the actual camp and he has like that fight with that
Spike guy. Lots of Spike guys in this movie. And then he finds
Jean, but then Magneto just tells him to go away and just fucking chuck
him a long ways, and then we get back to the scene, and
then we get back to the mansion. He's all fighter up. He's like
going to he goes to his like cupboard and he's just like pulling stuff up.
I don't know why, because like you were already at this camp,
like I don't know where you're going. And then they just get the scene
where Storm is like you're gonna have to maybe kill her and he's like I
can't do that and she's like because you love her. And then it's like,
well, yeah, no ship because he made it. Then the first
movie, like why is this a big revelation for him? He said the
first movie, my heart belongs to someone else. He clearly fucking loves her
in like the first five minutes. Yeah, no, it was the end
of the movie. He said that, though you know he said it.
He said, I mean they try to make it some big reveal that like
he loves her, But we had a pretty good idea. Who's sorry,
no go ahead, because that's a bunch of stuff I threw out. I'm
just trying to because I'm trying to get through everything before because the big bow
is about to come up. Yeah, before he goes to the woods,
was I might just be imagining this, but was who, like who is
he with? Like before he went there, he was with nobody. I
think it was just after the funeral he starts hearing voices and she's kind of
telling him where to go, and he decides I'm gonna go with her alone
and not tell anyone else. Okay. I for some reason in my mind
I thought he was like talking to someone They're like, where are you going?
It's just like you know your business? I think she I think she
said he. I think Storm says it to him when he gets back,
because he's like to find her, but it's like, well it's not gonna
work. Make Neil can just like and like you mentioned at the end of
the movie, like I do like that, but at this point she's like,
lol, when you're so dumb, like you're not going to get to
her, Like he it's so easy. Yeah, I love that reoccurring.
To me, it's just like Wolverine trying to take on Magneto. He's like,
oh, my bones. He like goes again, my bones. And
then the other thing we gone in that woods was just a subtle setup of
jeans, like a little because she was Magneto in her ran some conversation and
he shows her that cure thing finally, remember, she like dispatches it and
like threatens him with it, and she's like, you want to control me?
And that's like his biggest fear. Yeah. Yeah, So I kind
of not sure if you had anything on that segment of the movie. No,
not not at all. Just like I guess, like you just see
Magneto just go realize like, oh, you know, maybe Exavier was right,
yeah you slowly, yeah, you know, but it's too definitely too
like when he fully realized that. And then after this we get the whole
X men. They're all suited up. It's literally just be there's a great
scene of beasts, like, oh last time, Like he's stretching and it's
too big. He's like, I haven't put this on since I team classic
suit, right, yeah, well in this world yeah no, no,
it's still like a black leather with some like kind of leather orange. It's
not in like comics. He usually just has like a speedle on and it's
just his body. He usually never wears a suit because he doesn't need to.
He's the beast. And then Hugh Jackman Wolverene is giving the whole speech
to the cruiser. It's like storm, uh, coloss Iceman, Kitty and
b So it's just like the five of them. And because they've at this
point Magneto he took up the Golden gate Bridge and they're going to get The
main plant is they're gonna get this kid who makes the cure. And they
haven't said it, but they're gonna kill them pretty much. They're gonna do
something with them. So and then then of course their plan is to stop
them. And then I'm just gonna say, we got the big battle.
What do you want to say anything in the Big Battle? The whole thing.
It will wait to the Geene stuff. But I'm not gonna break down
the battle piece of piece, but we get the the ending battle of they
all show up and we fight the hoodie. I kind of wish at the
beginning, but even before this battle that they didn't show us that these guns
that the military is using were met like the plaslastic with the cure would have
been a nice little twist. It would have been a nice of them because
and then you saw you saw coming goes like oh they're smart, they've learned,
and it's like, yeah, like we just saw this, like I
don't know, Like that is a good point. It kills all the tension
of that scene because before you've been like, oh, Magneto is gonna go
off here, and then it's just like, well, I know what's gonna
happen that The most annoying thing is the fact that he still doesn't go off.
There's still like there's like those soldiers in those metal towers. There's so
much for him to fucking throw. He could take chunks of that bridge,
Like, but he's just started throwing cars. But after YEA, why is
that You're if you can throw fire cars, why isn't that your first move?
But he didn't need to. He could have kept them all alive.
Like it makes I think the whole scene is just dumb. Everything that happens
kiddies and Juggernauts chases, all right, but we get the bat on the
Juggernaut bitch line, which is just it was commenting on a meme back in
the day, like it's just the hope and just I think they on paper
like let's do a war of mutants, but the problem is one you only
got like five good guy mutants, yeah, and not barely call asses with
them, so like there's that, and then it's just them fighting like a
bunch of cannon far that no unique powers. None of the battles are really
that cool, like how Storm takes out callistos like Electricuser on the fence and
her like her whatever her, yeah, likes he Like there's so much cheesy
stuff that happens in this the balls guy like grow those back. I laughed
when it happened because Hugh Jackman's delivery it's just so good, and I think
that's just because he can get past the ship. But I just think this
whole battle is not good because it's the good guys bad guys, which like
the main bad guys and the main good guys. Let's just say there's five
each year, and then they should have done that. It's literally like just
like the generic mutants that are all just hoodie saying they're all the same gray
sweat pants, and then like the equivalent for the good guy, he's just
like the production was cheap. Yeah, and then like the equivalent of those
hoodie dudes for the good guys are just like the cops who all die when
pops off, she kills hundreds of innocent people, just like that. Before
that scene, I had to ask, though, how does mag needle why?
I don't understand this he I think he uses the metal to like push
himself up. So it's like if you had very powerful water, you could
like push yourself up. So think about that. Yeah, a magnetic field.
Okay, yeah, so he's not flying, he's more like I was
so confused. I'm like, okay, class and like self pulled, self
pull and put yourself like push. He is a class for I forgot Kyle,
you got stuffed down. This battle and great battle. I think the
Kitty and the Juggernaut like running was like really good and I liked how it
ended when they got to like the cure, dude, and then he's like,
just stay close to me. Yeah, he knocks himself out. I
love that. Yeah that's true because you yeah, come and get me,
dickhead. All their dialogue dialogue dialogue wasn't good, but I like like the
whole like running in and out, And I thought this even when that kitty
kind of stops and she like goes around the corner and like waits for him
to blow by, because I'm like, oh, yeah, like that would
completely happen as well too, Like that was like smart, like thinking yeah,
or well he's head down, full on sprint. Yeah, So I
like that all, even like the well the kids, like he's not really
doing much. He's just a child, just chilling, wondering why everyone hates
something. Yeah, he's a mutant, right, yeah, mute powers.
He can take away mute power. So he's like the better rogue. Yeah
no kidding, yeah, child, she must be so that you know what,
be better brogue and her met brogan him sorry, yeah, rogan him
Met. I was gonna, yeah, that would be a perfect that would
have been like a lot better of like her, like like them like having
more of a conversation or something or I don't know, I guess how you
mentioned someone else? You know, she's she's just like, hey, do
you mind staying in this room for like half an hour with a cloak over
handing some earphones so me and my boyfriend can just like talk for a little
bit. Every night, this kid's gonna pulled into their room watch this TV
show now. Yeah, oh boy, but that would have been a lot
better for like a I guess a contrac asked, like to put that kid
like we don't even get like is this kid upset that he's being like stuck
in this cage at all? But like he's just we don't know anything.
No, we don't know anything except for he's the cure that like this now,
like as we're getting way more into it, like this movie, like
oh yeah, yes, it's because it's all happening at once, you're kind
of like, okay, like you said, there's so much whatever, don't
forget about Dark Phoenix is yeah too, Like she's still here. They old
it. They forgot like how old p she is and she just like she
doesn't even care that you're mute and she was gonna destroy you anyways, yep,
like why but like they don't give why is Phoenix doing this? You
know, like I could understand, like you know what, we need to
use the cure against Phoenix. Yeah, because she's like super Opie, So
this is what we gotta do. And then that's why she's like popping off
and like killing everybody. But like there's no reason for her to kill everyone
except for unless she's just pure evil. She said, well that's what she
is, and yeah, that's always exciting. I'm not a fan of her
look either, when she goes Phoenix mode and she just gets like dark face.
I don't I don't mind that. I don't like her attire. I
think it's very cheesy, like this like Cape or whatever whatnot. The one
thing I will give credit to the battle is I like the the one the
kind of tribute to the earlier in the movie when they do the Logan throws
Colossus and they do this to Magneto and he catches them two things. One
I love he flips him on his back. That's a big tribute to There's
one comic, a very famous one where Magneto literally rips the Adamantean off Logan's
bones. Yeah, yeah, it's very britt so they are kind of tributing
that, but I like that. He's like you never learned, do you?
And then Beast comes and stabs him and he's like I do, and
like I like that. I thought that was a smart way to magneto.
And then he's just like I'm in low, just like one of them,
and he's just like trembling because he's just like, oh shit, like I've
lost everything. So I liked that, and then everything else was just a
blur, like it's just fighting. Go ahead? Was the colossus? Does
he even do like a cool battle move? Oh? He throws? Logan
throws And then they he repeats that quote or whatever that Storm says in the
training room, just like we work as the union or yeah yeah, well
yeah yeah, the best offense is a good defense and they yeah, yeah,
so Storms. I feel like just Storms should be flying just zapping everybody.
But nah, I ain't about that life or at least like these mutants
like aren't like like killing the other mute like the good guys. Let's say,
oh they're not good enough. They're not killing other mutes like they're trying
to prove a point, like why like oh, no, they're man the
acts. We are just bloodthirsty. They'll kill anyone that gets in their ways.
It's crazy. I don't even And then after that, Jean's kind of
looking like herself, and then all the soldiers they ain't at her. They
shoot, she stops all the stuff, and they'll like no, and then
Jean just rips through everybody and everything except for our main characters because they somehow
can escape this whatever. But yeah, and like human Magneto starts wandering off
on the British done actually kind of go back to the before they stabbed him
with the cure. So I thought at that point, when the three of
them were looking at it each other, they would like almost have like a
conversation. It's like is this right? Like it's funny because this happens in
flash like and then the DC the TV show, the TV show where they
give shark not shark man, king shark k shark man give me that.
They start having a debate like and ethical debates like is it proper to give
someone this cure in this movie? I know, but like you but there
they didn't even get them with one needle. They gave him like a whole
like like you are more human than any other human. I thought that at
that moment, they're all gonna have like, wait, is this like should
we be like purposely giving someone the cure to stop them from doing this?
Like this is what we're all against. It is like giving this cure,
and now we are going to give this cure, even if there's one character
to be like, We're gonna do it because we have to. Because it's
like even if they said let's not do that, and if Magneto just can't
be reason if it's like, okay, we have to resort that. That's
I think if there is a movie just about the cure, you would get
that, but not on this movie. They're just like we're taking to Erica
as quickly as possible. Yeah. Sorry, yeah, so Gina's op Yeah,
and she just destroys everyone just thanos is everybody. Yeah. Like the
guys that are like cops immunes, they that's how I kill Spike Guy and
his friends. They're just running and they just disintegrate verbs just like oh I
was at this party and I just fanals you want, But like that's how
she did. Like they were like disintegrating the same way. I will say,
great, scene when Logan's walking up to her and just when she like
gives a burst and you see his like metal skeleton. Yeah, that's so
well done. And again I think his acting is so good. And she's
like you'll die for them. He's like, no, not for them,
for you, and just his crying and then when he kills her and just
that's again it's like thinks everything where that's a great moment in another movie,
you would love that time all the time, but because it's in this crappy
movie, I forget about. But I think that scene has done really well
because he's finally that's how he's changed, is like he won't kill her,
he's just all about saving her. But then he's realized she's just too dangerous.
I gotta put her down. And it's a great scene between both even
like herself, like she knows she's too dangerous and she asks him to kill
them and you know, and he's like, I love you and then does
it and such and it's cool, like you just see all the water falling
beside them, like great, great scene somehow, and this really shitty battle.
Yeah, it was amazing. I did you cry, Kyle? It
was pretty cool. I can tell. Yeah, after watching this, I
actually wasn't too familiar with like the whole Dark Phoenix. Like Saga, Saga,
everyone watched the anime nineties series. They do the best job of wrapping
up. It's like a three parter. It's really good. I watch DVD
if you're on board. I watched just like a YouTube breakdown of like what
actually like in the comics, nothing like this. She goes on her base
and it's like she like takes her over a stone. She's the one that
like like uh buries the Phoenix within herself with her own powers basically, so
she kind of like finds a way too. Yeah, because there's because the
thing is, there's the Phoenix and then there's the Dark Phoenixes. The Phoenix
helps the X Men in the comms. Originally like oh, Jeane's just super
open, has these cool powers. That's great. But then slowly the Dark
Phoenix kind of like takes over. It's like no, like we want to
get rid of everything, and she's very violent and it's a very similar in
the comics. What Wolverine is is really what Scott is. He's the one
that has to like do I kill her? I love her? Things like
that, but they you know, did a swap. You gotta have Logan
more. Oh yeah, Japanese star you know. So yeah, I uh,
where was I going with the the Oh yeah I had. I want
to ask, is so the relationship between Gene and the Phoenix is that like
a schizophrenic thing where like she's totally split personnel in this movie or in comics,
We'll just say, with this movie in this way, I think it's
supposed to be. Yeh, it's likek a split personality's trying to hold.
Even in comics they sometimes do that. It's I think in the comics it
happens less like that, but there's times where like the Phoenix will break and
Gene will be like, oh, what's happening? Or I don't know what's
going on? Because in this one it felt like very schizophrenic, especially like
when she was like making out with Logan on her escape, like she totally
dark Phoenix and then it totally blanks and she's like, yeah, what's going
on? I didn't put it on my trivia, but she did research schizophrenia
and so so yeah, answers my question, I will say, just as
uh, because I forgot about I do like in that scene when they are
making on the room where he's like, we can't do this and she goes
like no, and she just like whips off her belt out with her mind.
I like that. That's just like a fun going back to the the
the Killing of the Gene, Killing of the Phoenix, The Killing of the
Phoenix, I really liked it, like visually, especially like the detail that
you mentioned when like his skin would blow off, but you can say his
metal sell It just looks so good. Hugh Jackman just phenomenal. He gets
bigger and bigger with each movie. That's exactly what we were talking about before
in this cast. Even when we're finishing up Origins, it's just Hugh Jackman,
like every movie just seems to be getting better and better. Obviously finished
it. He already said he was trying to like get bigger for the role
and whatnot. He said he didn't perfect it to like the wolverine, you
know what, he wanted that size. I think he looked pretty good.
He does, he does, but he one bigger, you know, fair
enough? Sorry, I said, I have nothing else to this, Okay.
I wanted a quickly mention. We didn't. I don't think we brought
it up. But the Bobby Pyro fight, Yeah, yeah, I like
that when he went full Iceman and I do like that. Yeah, I
loved it. What is the line again when he's just like still in school,
Bobby and then you should have never left? Yeah, that was good.
I got some trivia about that, but I did like that. It
was and I remember sitting in the theater as a kid seeing full on Iceman,
being like, oh, that's so awesome because I didn't think they would
do it. And then we get to see it a bit more in a
future movie, but obviously we didn't get see much. But I guarantee you
and FIE's X Men, we're going to see that ice guy all the time
like that. And I remember like even the first time I saw this,
probably like when I was younger. I think even before this movie, when
Pyro was starting to kind of go with Magneto, I'm like, they gotta
have Bobby versus Piro. Oh oh, like like the just totally polar opposites,
right, So it's like, oh, I want to see that.
And then when this finally came to that moment, Logan's like, oh,
can you take care of your old buddy or whatever and make metos like too,
He's like, go ahead, like they do a big setup for it.
I liked. I did like that as like calling back to their ladyship.
I wish there was more of them together because I wish they didn't like
each other from the beginning of this movie or the Franchisel like friendship. No.
I like that. I like that they were kind of friends with their
like Xavier and Magneto, where it's like it went worse where they almost didn't
end up caring for one another, or maybe I guess now I'm just thinking
a little bit too more than what the franchise definitely went into is that they
were like really good friends, but something between them like flipped a switch where
they or whatever, like a girl who knows, and that that's the reason
why, like they don't get along anymore, so they would be more meaningful
for them to fight otherwise it's like hey, man, like what have you
been doing over there? Like see, I don't do business. I like
the idea that they were friends, but it's just almost like old time civil
wars right where they just have different ideologies. So it's like, well,
I got to fight you because I agree, like this is my stance on
the issue, and then Bob's like, oh, this is my stance and
they have to fight, right, And I think there's some competition there,
but I guess yeah, I just wanted more. Yeah, since since we're
talking about those two, I actually forgot about the earlier scene when he's looking
for Bobby's looking for rogue. Yeah, were you gonna mention that? No?
No, okay, no, you can talk. Yeah. I just
wanted to say. It's like that's like the first time that they actually like
see each other. Yeah, it's the first attack they do because Pyro blows
up like cure factory and like not even just that like the first time Bobby's
seen him since yeah, he fucked off, which I wish there was more
conversation in America. It's just like, yeah, well I kind of know
you. Yeah, it's like he's like looking for someone or your girlfriend or
I forget what he says specific it's something about rogue. Well yeah, he
says something's like oh, yeah, she always not a muty or whatever,
like he's just not a muting on her and everything. But yeah, yeah
a couple of times. Yeah, but then like you feel like you Bobby
would still be like why did you leave us? Or why how's it going?
They needle, you know, like there's not they just start I think,
well, there's something like Bobby was like, I don't really have time
to like talk to you, Yeah, looking for rogue or something. And
then that's when just throws a fireball. Yep, good times, good times,
and then yeah, battles in. Jean's dead. She gets a plot
right beside Xavier, and they also gave Scott a gravestone as well, so
they're all beside, which is a little awkward. I get why they put
she in there, but you know, I think there could have been a
vote, and I think enough people have been like, you know, let's
not put her there. Let's you know, let's put it in the other
side. She killed a lot of people, no ship, yeah number Yeah,
I know it wasn't Jean, but still it's like, yeah, that
sucks. But at that point, what is it? The kid, the
cure kid, he's at the school, Warren's at the school. Beast has
made I think what was like a senator or something like that. Yeah,
I forget the title. Matt, Yeah something he got you got a raise
and he's like hopefully in that and the way Logan goes way to go for
a ball like I like that low one. Yeah. And then Rowe comes
back and she tells Boby that she took the cure and you know, she
goes, I didn't want you to do that, and I didn't do it
for you, did it for me? And come back to what the conversation
that she had with Logan. Yeah, and then we get I think a
great scene which is about again like the portion of people that under like the
part times where they understand Magneto. It's him Sinnett chess game, no one
there to play with him, very sad, and it just you feel like
there is honestly, yeah, you feel like there is just a wash over
of just like he really regrets how this goes. And it does fit because
like when we eventually get there in his future past their team, so it
almost does. Somehow they made it work that he did regret this and he
went about the wrong way. But then it's that and then you just get
that one little he tries, he feels something tries and you see yeah,
and you see just a small little notch of the piece and then cut the
credits. I remember the kid just be like, oh, I literally got
chills when you brought that scene because I totally forgot about the great scenes and
it's like you totally just picture like him and Charles being there right and then
like I remember, because I obviously haven't seen this movie a long time,
I'm like, oh, does Charles like come back here and sit there or
something? Because in your back, in their mind, it's like they can't
just get rid of Charles forever. That was planned originally at one point when
he goes in that Comatos guy, he was gonna sit down there and reveal
that he was Charles, But they didn't go with that because I think they
said they couldn't get Patrick Stewart there on set that day for some reing the
phone. Come on now, I know, I know, Oh what do
we What would you rate this or I guess we rate the movie after Trivia?
So anything to say more on the movie. I just look at my
notes quickly at the beginning with mystique, I don't understand how she got caught
and captured. That is a good question, mark, Yeah, we saw
it off screen. I guess she just got caught and captured. Yeah,
Okay, I have no answer or trivia for you. No, that's really
just it. That's why. That's why. Yeah, it's something I forgot
to mention. Oh yeah, does Magneo still need the helmet since Charles is
dead? For Gena? Yeah, for Gene I guess okay, but not
anymore. Okay. I figured it would be an easy answer, but I
had to ask it. Anyways. It kind of completes the outfit though,
you know, so you kind of just gotta stick with it. Here's some
trivia for you, Brian. I'm not done. Oh sorry, sy very
minor. I know when they when Magneia was pulling over the Golden Gate Bridge
and it's literally daytime, and then for whatever reason, the bridge gets the
alcohol. It's dead ass night, and I remember just thinking to myself,
I'm like, I gotta write this down because I'm gonna forget, because that's
a bridge I had to comment on. Yeah, across, I liked it
on the bridge when they finally got to Alcatraz and then the girl like looks
at Magneedle then like locks the door and then make he just looks like,
oh you're a hilarious little human and just walks away. Oh it's pretty funny.
Yeah, let's go ready for trivia. Thanks for being patient. Brian
Singer, who was in the middle and he directed X one X two in
the middle of a three movie deal made with Fox beginning with X two and
keen to make X three, but he and Fox were unable to come to
terms. During this time, Warner Brothers offered him a chance to direct Superman
Returns, which was a big mistake for him, but immediately Singer informed Fox
and was going to take this opportunity. I would still like to return to
direct X three after that, but as a consequence, his deal was terminated.
Matthew Vaughan, who directed X Men First Class, was briefly brought on
a production before he backed out. Brett Rattner the finalists for the director role
and X Men or was a finalist for when the directors in the original X
Men had that experience of making a successful movie with a rush production in rush
hour, so that's why they went with him, because he had experience of
a movie being rush They get to this guy and not a great idea.
Kelsey Grahammer was so keen to play bas he agreed to do an audition.
This was the first time Grammar had done edition for over twenty years. Wow,
wow, you very much wanted to do that. I'm glad he did.
This is a meaty one. Brian Singer was going to direct, and
he and his writers wrote a treatment solely based on the Stark Phoenix saga.
This the deceased gen Gray return and this was their kind of version of the
movie they were pitching. Gene Gray returns a more distractive personality called the Phoenix.
She would be manipulated to join the hell Fire Club by telepathic leader Amma
Frost. Singorony Weaver was intended for the role. A three way battle occurs
between the Club, who want to take over the world, the X Men,
who want to save their comrade, and Magnito's brother who who want the
Phoenix for their own plans. At the end to save everyone. Jeane kill
herself, but the spirit lives on transcends into divine being. Uh yeah,
so, which Dorry compared to the Star Child and two the other one space
ovissee and Keanu Reeves was also thought to of He was at one point thought
to have played Gambit in this movie. And I'll bring up that again,
but yeah, so, I feel like it did sound like there was still
a lot going on in that movie. But it did sound like at least
it was all centered around the dark Phoenix, So it might have been a
bunch of different plots. Yeah, it might have panned out a bit better.
Who knows though, because you know it. Yeah, let's see.
Uh, well, this has a little bit to do with that. Red
RecA remain mystique and James Marsin's cyclass rules were reduced substantially when this movie was
rushed into production to two cast members had prior scheduling conflicts, so that was
a reason. Uh, here's a here's a fun one. Hi. Barry
had initially decided not to reprise her roles Storm for this movie, citing lack
of character development in the previous installments and a tense relationship with the former director.
However, after Singer's departure US and suffering a major box office flop with
Catwoman, Barry agreed to return on one condition that her role to be expanded.
Storm replaces Cyclops as an exavier as a leader, which is came with
the comics. Blah bah blah, because she was a leader at one point.
But still, I think that is true that you could see an X
one x two, She's not in it as much as this, and then
she is just like the second lead with Wolverine, and I feel like it's
not natural other than it's Ali Baron. We know she's a big star.
But yeah, yeah, yeah, well well it makes sense like from her
actress like point of view, like why she would want the value of the
actress. Yeah. Yeah. This is where I think there was different versions
of the script because it won. Oh so that one version of Keanu Reeves
possibly playing Gambit that was in the original directors in this movie, they did
talk about Gambut being in Gambit was going to appear in this movie and would
have been a love interest of Rogue and a rival for Iceman, similar how
Knny Pride was used for Rogue and Iceman's affection. How Ever, Twentieth Fox
was developing X Men origins and stipulate no other Mune could appear in both movies,
so Gambit was removed in the script. By that time, Channing Tatum
was running for the or was in the running for the role before removed,
which is funny because Channing Tane was cast's Gambit. But that movie is never
gonna happen now because Disney bought Fox, but that was a time to instead
of having Kiddy in that role, it was gonna be Gambit, which I
actually think. I think it's tough because in the comics, Gambit and Rogue
are the actual relationship. I think it's tough because I don't know what they
would have played the angle there, because Bobby's a pretty nice guy, so
I don't know what their angle had been, so I could see how they
swapped it for like herb being more jealous and whatnot. Yeah. Budget,
at two hundred and ten millions, this was at one time the most expensive
movie ever made. Wow. Really Yeah, there is a rumored ending where
Power returns to the school after being presumed missing in the final cut, So
I apparently they maybe shot an ending where he returns to the school because Bobby,
which again you can tell to me the writers of this little take things
so literally you should never left, and he literally goes back to school,
just script writing a round one. But apparently that was an ending. Joss
Whedon was approached to a direct but turned down the offer in favor of writing
and directing a Wonder Woman movie, which never came through. Ironic as some
elements from the storyline were based off his comic book Run and X Men The
Gifted, which he made. Uh, he wrote Astonishing x Men, and
he did write a storyline about a cure and whatnot. So they kind of
offered him a movie about I don't know if he knew that what the plan
was, but he could have directed a movie about a storyline he wrote in
the comic books, but he went to do Wonder Woman that never happened,
and then he did, uh, what is it? Avengers? But he's
popped up a couple of times in these trivias. They really want him to
direct an X Men movie. He just never did it. You know,
good for him. That's all the trivia I got. I don't have any.
I know you're looking at me. I don't have any. I liked
it. It was nice and meaty. Rating is very tough for me.
I reading is very tough. I'll go, yeah, you go. I'm
still the so I think at the beginning I thought I really liked it,
and now it was more into it. I realized, a wow, there's
a lot of holes in here. But I still like, quite enjoyed it.
I'm gonna give it a six. I think it's the same level as
I gave X one. Really think I'm surprised by that. You think X
one and this are on similar tier. Only I'm only saying that because,
yeah, there was a lot of like you know, plot holes that like
a lot of questions, But I still like enjoyed the movie overall. I
still like the action that was going on, kind of the interactions between each
characters, and I guess I like the ideas of like what they were like.
The stuff that was really good was really really good, and I think
that for me, outweighs a lot of the little bit of the small lows,
and so that's why even still like it's still a six. But yeah,
fair enough. I'm just surprised. But you know, if you enjoy
enjoyed it totally. Uh, Like, I gotta start writing down my radiance
for each of these because I keep for anyone my last tour. I think
I'm gonna give this one a five point five. It's it's not just passing,
but it's a little bit over that line. I don't know. It's
like I remember being younger and like enjoying this movie, but there were so
many things I missed, like I didn't even understand most, like the whole
Dark Phoenix plot twists or not plot twist, the whole plot around the Dark
Phoenix, Like I honestly thought it was just like a cure Brotherhood X Men
battle, Like I did not really understand. They still don't understand it.
Oh yeah, it's very convoluted and messy. The scenes that we've all mentioned
of, like the Charles death scene and the Gene death scene, Like they're
huge like bright spots in this movie, but there's only so much you can
do on Like this is such a convoluted and mess of a movie. Whereas,
uh, those little shine spots don't really like do it too much?
Justice, Like it definitely saves it. Like I think if you didn't have
those, it would have just been a fail for me. Below that five
But yeah, overall, i'd say five and a half. I don't think
I ever need to watch this movie ever again. I'm glad I went back
to it because there's obviously a lot of things I missed. But plus you
can see this, like I said, versus the Dark Phoenix we get in
a few yeah exactly, Like I'm like, I'm glad I have my my
my more developed brain that's more adult individual as opposed to my, my,
my little wee brain that I used to have. Don't check your head,
cat, I didn't know the core was gonna move. Calm down. I
mean I give this a four point nine. Oh wow, I can't pass
it. I just can't pass it. I think it's almost there, but
I just that's I mean, it's not an overly fail. It's not one
of the worst movies ever, and there is some good stuff, but it's
not enough for me to pass. I think it's just because we talked so
much about how much bad stuff there wasn't there, and how much stuff that
didn't make sense. I think there's some good I like to score in this
movie. There's some great performances just by the two, and there's some great
scenes. But even then, like I'm even talking myself down to like because
I'm trying to think, yeah, I'm gonna go for actually, I'm trying
to think, like the actions not really good. Like there's only a few
scenes I can go by and say, oh, this is good, this
is good. I know we got something next coming that is quite a wild
ride. But I think this just has so many problems, whether it's the
love try and gole, whether it's dark fans, the cure, Like,
how do we start this podcast about, Like why is Angel in this movie?
I don't know. He's just bopping around, he's flying around. So
yeah, I'm giving it a four. I'm giving it my first bail X
Men retro here because it's just it's funny that you say that because or in
like hinting towards what's gonna come next. But like, if I hadn't seen
that something That's gonna be coming next, I think this probably would have been
lower. But watching the Something That's Gonna come next, it definitely like it
wasn't Yeah exactly, it wasn't as bad as it could. I think that's
why my score is pretty hid well. Lady Joe, if you want to
tune into that one, you should because we are viewing X Men Origins Wolverine
next. That is going to be a juicy one. There is a lot
to talk about there. Kyle, thanks for the first time. He's never
actually seen the movie. So yeah, it's funny that you said it,
because I think or I thought that this is the first time I'd seen the
movie. But there's so many scenes that I remembered, like I remember the
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