WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.160 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that I've been on for 2 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:05.120 most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, I've heard tales 3 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:09.199 of bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends and family. As 4 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:12.759 I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my interest in encryptids and 5 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:17.039 other things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to share with you 6 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:22.960 what I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The Untold Radio Network 7 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.480 is a live streaming podcast network that airs a new show every day across all 8 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:31.839 podcast platforms, YouTube, and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 16 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:06.599 So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold radionetwork dot com today. 17 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:11.760 Hey everybody, this is Left Striving Yes, yes I know aka Survivor Man, 18 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:37.439 and you're listening to Brian on sasquatch Anys. Hey there and welcome back 19 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:41.079 to sasquatch Ox. Thank you so much for being with us for the show. 20 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:42.879 It is Friday. I hope you've had a great week. We have 21 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:46.640 an amazing guest line though for you. But before we get there, I 22 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:49.000 want to start where I always do. If you've had an encounter and you'd 23 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:52.239 like to be on the show, shoot me an email you and get me 24 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:55.840 at Brian at Paranomoworldproductions dot com. Get head over to the website, check 25 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.120 it out, become a member there and help support the show. I got 26 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:01.599 to sit down and talk to Rich Over in the UK. This was probably 27 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:05.879 months ago when I did this interview and I've just got around to putting it 28 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:08.840 out for you guys. Rich has spent a ton of time out in Area 29 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:13.719 X with the North American Wood Ape Conservancy and those guys Darry I'll call you, 30 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:16.960 Brian Brown, Matt Pruitt, and he has had some really really interesting 31 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:23.039 experiences out there in the area they call Area X and the valley that's next 32 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:25.280 door to Area X. And he's gonna tell you all about that in just 33 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:29.479 a month, really quickly. If you haven't already done so, and you 34 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:31.800 want to pick up a copy of my new book, Sasquatch Unleashed the Truth 35 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:36.400 behind the Legend. I was out at the Ohio Bigfoot Conference just this past 36 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:38.919 week. I hung out at Cliff's booth out there, and Cliff Brickman wrote 37 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:42.680 the forward to my book. So I brought back a limited number of books 38 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:45.800 signed by Cliff himself. If you want one of those, head over to 39 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:47.800 paranormorild Productions dot Com. Click on the store button at the top of the 40 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:52.560 page and you'll see it right there. Get those why supplies last. But 41 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:53.479 enough of that, I know you guys are ready to get into it. 42 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:57.080 Rich is on the line. He's ready to go. All this left for 43 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:20.039 you to do is sit back, relax and enjoy the show. I want 44 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:22.520 to welcome my guest to the show. It is Rich from the UK. 45 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:25.479 Welcome to the show man, Hey mate, great to be here. I 46 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:28.919 am so glad to have you. I been looking forward to this. Let's 47 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:30.719 get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. What game you 48 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:36.400 interested in the subject to begin with? I had no interest whatsoever. In 49 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:40.199 the nineteen seven years there was a children's news program called John Craven's News Round, 50 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:46.400 and I saw the Patterison Gimblin film in mid seventies, so I was 51 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:52.680 aware that Bigfoot existed. I'd got a paranormal book as a kid, Frame 52 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:55.120 three five two was in there. I'd seen that. I don't know where 53 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:58.759 that book is now. I'd love to find that book, but that's gone. 54 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:03.280 Then twenty eleven, but we were training for Afghanistan in Alberta in Canada. 55 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:06.840 The British Army's got a massive camp up near a medicine hat. I 56 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:11.919 had a weekend off. I was down in Waterson National Park purely to go 57 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:15.079 bird watching. I got up really early in the morning to go and see 58 00:04:15.079 --> 00:04:19.040 a target species, a bird called there it frush. Got there at first 59 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:24.000 before first light. I could hear one singing, then saw the bird, 60 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:26.959 and a friend of mine who'd been in Canada before, had told me there 61 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:30.759 was a location near where i'd gone and see this bird that you could see 62 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:34.519 grizzly bears. Now I'd set up to look at grizzly bears. Now, 63 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:39.000 this is a really bizarre thing. I'd got a telescope set up on a 64 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:43.399 screen line. I got my binoculars and the really odd thing and this could 65 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:46.439 have been a game changer. On my backseat of my car was a long 66 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:53.519 lens on a camera. So I'm looking at the screen slope when this animal 67 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:55.800 walked out. Now, my initial thought was, oh, good, that 68 00:04:55.920 --> 00:05:00.519 was quick a grizzly But then it was really evident that this thing on two 69 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:04.000 legs and it was walking with a purpose across the screen slope. Now, 70 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:08.639 it wasn't walking like Patty does, swinging arms. It would walk as if 71 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:12.720 you were a human and you're walking across. The arms were pretty much down 72 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:16.600 by the side of the body. But this thing looked really scruffy. It 73 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:20.160 looked like it had spent the winter trying to survive in the rockies of Canada, 74 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:23.519 and it looked in the pretty much of a bad way, and it 75 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:28.120 was unkempt, and it was walking across. I was getting animated because I've 76 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:30.720 just seen something that doesn't exist. I was looking up and I could see 77 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:34.439 it between the top of the trees. As always looking at the screen slope 78 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:38.759 top of the trees were in the way to go between a gap and the 79 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:41.720 top of the trees, and it disappeared. I was trying to move her 80 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:45.480 around, trying to see this animal, and then it clearly saw me and 81 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:47.800 it just dropped. It was like it had been shot by sniper. It 82 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:51.079 just dropped to the ground. Now, I think it probably knew I was 83 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:55.199 there and was trying to figure out where it was going to hide, and 84 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:59.040 then just disappeared, and I just waited out. It didn't move, and 85 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:02.360 in the end a shot got in the car and then drove into waters them 86 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:08.079 for breakfast. Now, the funny thing is I can't remember that journey from 87 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:11.959 getting in my car and driving down. I was in total shock. And 88 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:15.319 there's a couple of times since then I've been around these animals since where things 89 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:18.560 have happened and I know they've happened, and I'm trying to then figure out 90 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:21.879 what's happened later on, And there's bits of that history where I can't remember 91 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:25.240 what's happened. And there was a time when I was with Darryl call you 92 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:29.959 in X we were looking at an eye shine. That eye shine stood up. 93 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:32.959 I can't remember what happened after I'd seen that eye shine. Your brain's 94 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:36.360 trying to adjust to what's happening. Even now, know that I go out 95 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:42.000 looking for these creatures, I've seen them. There's a occasionally where my brain 96 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:46.399 just turned off. It's really odd. It's really odd what your brain does, 97 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:48.519 because if I see a rare bird, I've seen a rare bird, 98 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:51.600 I know what it is, and I'm going to look for these animals now, 99 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:57.399 and occasionally my brain will switch off. And there's certainly two three occasions 100 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:00.000 where that's happened and the waters and one was one of them. I saw 101 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:03.680 that creature. I then got in my car. I can't remember the journey, 102 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:08.519 remember sitting in the cafe afterwards, having breakfast, wanting to shout, 103 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:13.040 I've seen the sasquatch. This was in January the seventeen, twenty eleven. 104 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:19.439 I reported this to the BFRO in January twenty fourteen. So between twenty eleven 105 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:25.279 and twenty fourteen, I got home, I was devouring everything on the internet, 106 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:29.000 looking at everything I could find on YouTube. Did not tell my family, 107 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:31.560 I think the first time I ever told any but my son came down 108 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.199 one day and I was sat in the living room and I got an iPad 109 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:38.519 out and he knew what I was watching. He said, Dad, bigfoot 110 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:42.439 doesn't exist, at which point I said, son, sit down and told 111 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:46.720 him the story. He immediately got on his mobile phone and texted my daughter 112 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:49.839 and said, Dad said he's seen a bigfoot, and then left it at 113 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:54.720 that. I didn't tell my wife. I didn't tell my wife until twenty 114 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:59.160 sixteen, after my first weekend in x When I got back from my first 115 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.399 weekend, I walked in. She thought it was a bit odd that was 116 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:05.319 going to States for a long weekend. I left the UK on a Friday 117 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:09.439 and got back to the UK early hours of Tuesday morning, so I was 118 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:13.480 driven back to Dallas mid afternoon on Monday, spent a weekend in there. 119 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:16.319 I was that desperate to get out there that a long weekend was the only 120 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:20.240 thing I could do at the time. And I got back and my wife 121 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:22.959 came in from work and I just said, can you sit down? And 122 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:26.160 she sat down and I said, right in twenty eleven, I saw a 123 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:31.839 sasquatch. And she laughed and I said, this isn't a laughing matter. 124 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:35.120 And then I regaled her with the stories of what happened over the weekend my 125 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:39.120 first weekend in X. My first weekend in X, I was picked up 126 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:43.600 by Darryl call you in Dallas, driven up to Oklahoma, and we crossed 127 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:48.480 the Red River on the way into Oklahoma. It's evident that all of a 128 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:52.759 sudden you're into forest, and for miles and miles on either side of the 129 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.320 highway is just woods. And Darrel said to me at the time, he 130 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:00.279 said, anywhere from now on we might see an ape. I thought, 131 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:03.600 yeah, okay, I'm not going to see one ever again. It's a 132 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:07.000 once in a lifetime thing. I'm not going to see an epe ever again. 133 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:09.720 If I get a wood not this weekend, I'll be happy because obviously 134 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:13.279 you're aware of Woodknox, because you've been watching YouTube and you've been reading up 135 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:18.000 and I had not heard any vocalizations at this point. Arrived, spent the 136 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:22.399 nights set around the fire. I'd got jet lag. About eleven o'clock I 137 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:26.279 went to bed. Everybody else followed, just going beyond midnight. About two 138 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:30.279 in the morning, there was a tent slap, so everybody got up. 139 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:35.639 Brian Brown thought he might have been poked through the tent while he was sleeping 140 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:39.480 and then there was a massive tent slap and he heard a bipedal animal walk 141 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:45.320 off, effectively almost vibrating onto him because he heard the thing walk off. 142 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:48.679 So I'd heard a tent slap and we all ran out. And this is 143 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.720 my first time I've stood with civilians with side arms. I've I've been in 144 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.480 the military year for years. I've never come across a civilian side arms, 145 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:58.960 and all of a sudden, I'm stood outside the tent in my box ashore 146 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.919 with three other guys in their box of shorts with side arms, thinking shit, 147 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:11.679 what if I got myself into. The whole weekend was beyond all my 148 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:16.559 expectations. We got up for a group photograph. We had breakfast, and 149 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:18.600 we got up for a group photograph and we walked over to this scrub to 150 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:22.720 have a put for a decent background and had a photograph. As we walked 151 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:26.480 up, I heard this really weird sound. It was like a ooh. 152 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:28.639 And I looked at everybody and said, did you hear that? And Brian 153 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:33.799 goes, yeah, something just made a really odd sound, and we stood 154 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:39.039 there. I'm thinking, that's no animal I recognize. I've been to North 155 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:41.360 America a few times, and I'm aware of things, but it was almost 156 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:45.919 like a hum like vocalization, so we heard that. Then we spent the 157 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:52.120 day walking around the valley where the North American would a conserved operating. That 158 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:56.759 day, we had whistles. We walked up to an old abandoned cabin area 159 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:01.240 and something shot through the scrub like a bear going through the scrubby it legged 160 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:05.919 it through as we got up to this area. And then the whole weekend 161 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:09.960 we were having things thrown at us. You've heard about area. Actually've heard 162 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:15.240 the rain of stones where they were having stones continuously thrown at them. We 163 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:22.960 sat around camp and rocks, walnuts, stones were being thrown through the tree 164 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:26.240 lining. You could hear them coming through the top of the trees. So 165 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:33.120 they were being thrown from the hill behind us and dropping into the area, 166 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:37.080 hitting what they call the hooch. That's what I experienced all weekend. I 167 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:43.000 was stood with Brian and Daryl Collyer at one point and they called it a 168 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:48.720 banshee corse. Something was walking through the woods screaming. Now I've heard mountain 169 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:54.320 lion screams, it wasn't that, And neither of them ever heard this sound, 170 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:56.559 and we traced it going through the valley and coming up the hill, 171 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:01.759 and occasionally it just scream. He was a woman screaming effectively, so I 172 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:05.679 saw it sounded like. And then on the final night we were up late, 173 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:11.159 I was sat just looking at the tree line behind when I thought alson, 174 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:13.679 I was looking at two stars. I could see two points of light, 175 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:18.399 and I think Brian might have explained this to you when he was interviewed. 176 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:20.159 I could see two points of light, so I said to the guys, 177 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:24.639 I thought I was looking at stars, but these two points of light 178 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.519 are below the horizon. And they both looked up. They couldn't see them, 179 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.440 and I'm pointing and saying, look, there are two points of light 180 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:35.799 up there. And Darryl and Brian got their night vision and the firm up 181 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:41.799 and Brian could see a head looking around the side of a tree like a 182 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:46.840 tree peaker does with its hand around the other side of the tree. And 183 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.840 when he looked at it, he could see the fingers moving. So this 184 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:56.840 animal was up looking at us down in the campsite, was unaware that we 185 00:12:56.919 --> 00:13:00.519 were looking at it. And for about twenty minutes, I'm looking through with 186 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:05.240 my eyes Daryl's got his night vision. Brian's got a firm wore the other 187 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:07.519 way around, both of my night vision anyway, and they're looking at an 188 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:11.759 animal looking at us. And it got to the point where Brian needed to 189 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:15.360 relieve himself, and he wandered down the track, and as he got to 190 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:18.320 where he's going to relieve himself, he looked up with the head torch on 191 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:22.399 his headlamp up to where he was seeing this animal, and I watched the 192 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:26.600 animal drop out of the tree, just disappear and run off. That was 193 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:31.559 probably my second confirmed sighting of an ape. He could not have been anything 194 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:33.799 else. It could have been another animal with a head shape, but to 195 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:39.879 have fingers moving on the side of the tree and you could pick that up 196 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:43.279 through the night vision. So yeah, my life changed in twenty eleven. 197 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:48.600 And between them and my time in X, I knew what I'd seen, 198 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:50.759 but I'd spend a lot of time trying to talk myself out of it, 199 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:54.799 and I'd always come back to him, No, you saw an ape. 200 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:58.960 You did see a grizzly bear as an ape. And after that weekend in 201 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:05.519 X that's sort of that just cemented that there was an undescribed wood ape in 202 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:13.120 North America and I've been back since then six times, three times we've NAWAC 203 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:18.879 and I'm now on my fifth trip to the valley adjacent to where the NAWAC 204 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:22.879 operate. And we found a valley which is pretty much as active as X. 205 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:28.080 And I think you know that X is the valley that the NAWC operating, 206 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.200 But I think the tag seven data when they believe that they tagged a 207 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:37.159 wood ape, I think X has probably gone out from that valley. It's 208 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:41.679 probably in a couple of valleys around there now because that animal moved around over 209 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:46.440 a few months and certainly went into the valley we operate in now, which 210 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:52.039 is why we've chosen that. So the following year, Daryl had contacted me 211 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:54.720 prior to my next trip and said, look, what I'd like to do 212 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:58.639 is spend a couple of days with you. Be dropped off two drainages away 213 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:03.000 from we operate, and over two days, two three days, we'll walk 214 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:07.480 back. We'll check Jai drainage is out where people don't go into just to 215 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:11.840 see what's around. So Daryl and I were dumped off with our rucksacks some 216 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.879 mileage away from X, and over two days we walked back while camping as 217 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.080 we went. Now, the first night not much happened. I think we 218 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.080 had probably had a bear wandering around in the night round our tent. And 219 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:30.559 then the following day where we got a pearly breakfasted and we left, and 220 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:35.600 over that day things started to happen to occur. We'd walked up a hill, 221 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:39.679 we'd sat down for a breather and something to eat, and I heard 222 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:45.000 a thud. You've heard these thuds described where something appears to have dropped a 223 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:48.480 boulder or dropped out of a tree. I heard a thud. Now, 224 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:50.720 I was a bit aware that I was a bit of a newbie in the 225 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.960 organization, and I didn't want everything to be big for that I experienced. 226 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:58.480 And I sort of looked at Darryl, and Darryl I didn't suggest that he'd 227 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:02.240 heard what I I'd heard, so I just kept quiet, and then we 228 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:06.200 walked. We started walking down into another valley. And as we walked down 229 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:11.279 this track, it was an old ATV track. The middle was vegetated and 230 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:15.080 there were saplings all the way down this track. But I noticed that every 231 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:21.279 sapling at the same height had been snapped and then bent off to the side. 232 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:23.919 Now, Darrel had walked past these, and at some point I said, 233 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:26.559 Daryl, have you seen this? And he turned around. He hadn't 234 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:30.879 noticed, but these saplings had been snapped, and then they were all pointed 235 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:34.159 in the same direction. Now it wasn't like a vehicle had gone down there 236 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:40.000 and snapped all the sapling because they're all pointed in the wrong direction to have 237 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:42.000 been broken by a vehicle. They were all pointing I think it was to 238 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:45.480 the left of the track. So we noticed that, and we then walked 239 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:51.799 down into the valley and then we heard what was suddenly like a choir singing 240 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:56.159 in the middle of nowhere. And I remember turning this Daryl, did you 241 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:59.120 hear that? And he said, yeah, I've just heard singing. Now, 242 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:00.679 this isn't a valley where nobody's in. We knew there was nobody in 243 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:04.000 there. It was difficult to get into, but we heard singing. And 244 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:08.920 then we continued walking and I got to a point where I knew we were 245 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:15.200 about four miles away from the the valid x of THEWC operating, and I 246 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:18.119 sent to Daryl should we just carry on walking when he gets dark, put 247 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:22.440 on our headlamp to make our way back. He said, no, we're 248 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:25.680 going to camp. I'm knackered. I want to rest. So we found 249 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:30.200 a place. We put up the tents, we had something to eat. 250 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.519 We were set around about ten o'clock at night. I was on the sit 251 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:40.240 pad. We were just chatting. We went to bed and things kicked off 252 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:47.640 massively. We initially heard whistles, we heard grunts, we heard pant hoots, 253 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:51.200 and then these whatever they were, I know where they were, but 254 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:55.039 these animals were becoming there though, and then become very insistent, and they 255 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:59.880 were coming up towards where we were. They weren't bluff charging, but we 256 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:04.279 could hear them moving up towards the tent. We'd stick our heads out shine 257 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:08.160 a torch. It'd all go quiet. Now it got to about one o'clock 258 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:12.640 in the morning. I'm tired. I've been walking for two days. My 259 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:18.119 body is shut down. Despite the fact that animals were approaching the tent, 260 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:23.599 they were making noises, and I'd had probably spent twenty minutes of terror as 261 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:29.240 things were approaching the tent. We certainly had animals moving up towards and that'd 262 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:36.039 fall asleep for ten minutes and then it'd start again. We'd either shine a 263 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:40.960 torch out of the tent around and everything would stop. I'd then fall asleep 264 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:45.559 for ten minutes. Then they'd start again. They'd start whistling, they'd start 265 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:48.920 making noises, they'd start to approach the tent. We'd unit the tent, 266 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:53.400 shine a torch out. Nothing there. And then I fell asleep and was 267 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:57.079 woken up by Darryl. And we had a lamp just outside the tent and 268 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:02.200 it was set on red, so this was hanging in the tree. There 269 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:07.440 was a gap and then there was a tent and something walked in between the 270 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:12.079 lamp and the tent and the lamp disappeared. And this lamp was at about 271 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:15.240 six foot seven foot up into the tree and I was walking about. Daryl 272 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.880 up. He said, something's just walked in between the lamp and the tent. 273 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.200 And we got out. There was nothing there. We walked up to 274 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:26.160 the creek bed, which was at the end of where our tent was, 275 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:30.720 and there was eyeshine looking at us from the other side of the creek bed. 276 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:34.039 We started taunting it. We were shouting and we can see you and 277 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:38.200 it was blinking. You could see this creature who was blinking and he was 278 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:44.079 looking at it. At us, and then he just rose and then my 279 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:47.839 mind went blank. I don't know what the animal did. It clearly walked 280 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:52.319 off. I'd then seen a pair of eyes rise, and then I don't 281 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:56.240 know what happened after that. I know we went back to bed, and 282 00:19:56.599 --> 00:20:02.000 at about four o'clock in the morning we switched which the lamp from red light 283 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:07.039 to white light and everything stopped. Nothing happened from then on and stay tuned 284 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:15.160 from more sasquat Jalousy, We'll be right back. After these messages. We 285 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:18.960 got up in the morning, we walked back, walked into camp, Matt 286 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:22.799 Prewit, Sir Alton Higgins, Brandon Lentz, and Brian Brown. Did anything 287 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:29.119 happen? We downloaded for about an hour on what had happened. Then during 288 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:33.559 the afternoon the other guy said, we want to go to where you've experienced 289 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:37.960 all this. I looked at Darryl and thought, I'm not going back there, 290 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:41.119 and then Darrell looked to me, and I think he probably came up 291 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:45.240 with the same sort of conclusion that he wasn't going to go back. And 292 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:48.640 at that point I thought, this might be my last time in x I 293 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:52.880 may never go here again, so I'm going to go back. The following 294 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.240 night, I took Matt Prewitt, Brian Brown, Brandon Lens back to what 295 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:00.880 they now call Monkey Hollow, which is named it Monkey Hollo because that's where 296 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:06.079 they were. We went back we hammock camp that night. We got in 297 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:10.119 there, I was fully expecting as soon as it went dark for it to 298 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:15.119 kick off again. It didn't. We all went to sleep and at one 299 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:18.680 fifty three, and this is imprinted on my brain now, at one fifty 300 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:23.519 three I was woken up by a rock displacement in the creek bed in front 301 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:32.079 of me. I sat up and something directly behind my hammock whistled really loudly. 302 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:36.200 I should have turned round to look, because that thing was probably about 303 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:40.640 five foot behind my hammock. There was an ape. I'm going to say 304 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:44.960 there's an ape. There was an ape behind my hammock looking at me asleep 305 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:49.599 and was clearly watching its friend walk across a creek bed. And when I 306 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:55.640 sat up, it warned that animal off that it was about to be seen, 307 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:00.559 and it whistled, at which point I shouted out, people, I've 308 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:03.440 just heard a whistle. There was no response. Everybody else was asleep. 309 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:07.319 I then shouted really loudly. Again, people, I've just heard a whistle. 310 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:12.559 Matt Pruitz sat up in his habit he whistled, and then for the 311 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:18.839 rest of the night we had mouthpops and whistles from various animals around our hammock 312 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:22.079 camp. Unfortunately didn't have any night vision, but we were surrounded by three 313 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:26.480 or four animals that were indicating to each other that they were here. There 314 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:30.440 would be a mouthpop on one side of the hammer camp, and there'd be 315 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:33.440 a mouthpop on the other, and there'd be aby whistle, and we were 316 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.319 whistling back and mouth popping back. We were being answered by these creatures. 317 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:45.960 That was probably a really odd time because I was surrounded by vocalizations, and 318 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:48.799 I was aware that you could look into the distance, you could shine your 319 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:53.559 torch around, and you wouldn't see an animal. They clearly knew where they 320 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:57.440 had to be so they wouldn't be seen. And I've experienced this a few 321 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:02.640 times in x now. These animals are really tactical. They know where they 322 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:04.680 have to be not to be seen. They know where they can sit, 323 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:08.960 and they will sit and they will watch you for a long time. Obviously, 324 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:12.920 they're not saying they're bored, but we're of interest to them, and 325 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:17.400 they can just sit there for hours watching you. And we found it several 326 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:21.240 times that they'll just sit on the hill and you'll just be watched. I've 327 00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:23.680 heard Kathie Strain say we're always being watched in those valleys, and if there's 328 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:26.279 one, there's probably two, and if there's two, there's probably three. 329 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:30.160 And that's true. I think we've figured out over the years i've been in 330 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:33.519 there, and they've not certainly know this, that there's probably more than one 331 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:37.960 creature at any one time. Now. The following year, I was back 332 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:42.720 again in September with the same team Brian and Brandon. Darryl hadn't come in 333 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:45.160 at this point. We'd spent a lot of time and there's a guy called 334 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:48.319 David as well who was in with us, and we'd spent a lot of 335 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:52.400 time walking around. We'd been up to a place any WC. There was 336 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:56.279 a guy in the the wc'd been looking at Google Earth, gone through the 337 00:23:56.359 --> 00:24:03.160 valley and he'd found an image which looked like gorilla walking in the trees. 338 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:06.000 I've got a copy of an image and if you look at that image, 339 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:11.279 it's a gorilla in the woods of Oklahoma picked up on Google Earth. So 340 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:17.119 we went that location to try and figure out was it maybe a shadow of 341 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:21.480 a tree. We got there, there was nothing would indicate that at that 342 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:26.119 time there was a tree that was able to produce a shadow that looked like 343 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:30.119 an ape. So they probably captured an image of an ape on Google Earth. 344 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:34.079 And we went to that location and we've been wandering around now anything we've 345 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:37.279 figured out. These creatures were watching when you're walking around, and if you 346 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:42.480 start to do things which are out of the ordinary, they get confused. 347 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:48.200 Obviously, they can't count, so if you're in a group of five people, 348 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:52.039 they will follow five people. But if you then start mixing it up 349 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:56.920 and maybe leap frog around, one of you will just get down in a 350 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:00.920 ditch and sit there. The others will walk off and and they'll stop, 351 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:04.559 and then you'll walk through them. They get confused. They can't keep track 352 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:11.200 of multiple targets. Over those two days, we confused them on a regular 353 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:17.759 basis to the fact that at one point Brandon was sat probably about a mile 354 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:22.119 away from where we were at the time. He was there, sat with 355 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:26.079 a long rifle. We were walking up and down the track leap frogging, 356 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:30.440 and Brian and I had heard a woodknock and we were stood and all we're 357 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.319 trying to keep quiet, and all of a sudden we could hear what we 358 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:38.680 thought was Brandon walking at the track, and Brian got a bit annoyed because 359 00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:41.440 we were trying to be quiet and there was Brandon walking at the track and 360 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:45.960 all of Brandon gone on the radio and said where are you guys? And 361 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:49.680 whatever had been walking up that track wasn't Brandon because he was still a mile 362 00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:55.680 away. Now what we should have done is run down the track to where 363 00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:59.319 that noise was, but we both just looked at each other, what the 364 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:03.480 hell was hat That wasn't Brandon? And again, in retrospect, we should 365 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:07.400 have just ran towards whatever that noise was. If we'd have gone around the 366 00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:11.079 corner, we might have bumped into an eight, but we both just stood 367 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:14.559 there, and it's one of those regrets. Again, we should have done 368 00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:18.359 something, but we didn't. You hear about Area X, and you think, 369 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:22.079 initially, when when I was reading up on it after i'd contacted Anywa, 370 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:26.200 you think there's so much happening in that wood it can't be true. 371 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:32.240 But it is people have told me about weeks in x in the past, 372 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:36.799 which should be part of big Foot law. This is the stuff happened in 373 00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:41.720 there was akin to some of the best events that have ever happened in Sasquatch 374 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:45.160 would a big put history. Brian Brown once drove out of that valley and 375 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:49.599 said he'd never go back into there because it was so intense that week that 376 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:52.640 he drove out of there and thought, I'm never going back into there, 377 00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:57.200 and he came back the following year. To be honest, until recently, 378 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:04.000 when I was in things would happen and I was really uncomfortable. I've been 379 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:10.519 in combat. The feeling I got when I was close to these animals was 380 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.880 a kin to being shot at. I had the same sort of feelings. 381 00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:18.640 The adrenaline rush I've experienced is really odd. People say they've been zapped, 382 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:22.799 give me this. I was zapped, but it was weird. Things happened. 383 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:27.559 I lay in a tent two years ago. So I'll tell you about 384 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:32.480 my friend Steve in a bit. I've only told probably five people in the 385 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:36.880 UK outside my family about what's happened. I've had to be really careful on 386 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:40.920 who I've told, and I've told five people, and Steve was the first 387 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:45.160 guy outside my family. I told now, Steve's an ex British Special Forces 388 00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:48.559 soldier. He's a good friend of mine. We were at a meal once 389 00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:52.799 and our wives were sat eating. Steve had gone out for a cigarette. 390 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:56.119 I don't smoke, but I went out and had a chat and someway in 391 00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.640 that conversation, he said, have you ever seen any weird shit? And 392 00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:03.960 I just went y, yes, and then downloaded about Bigfoot. Now fully 393 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:08.559 expected Steve to laugh, and Steve listened. And after the trips after that, 394 00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:11.400 i'd come back, we'd sit in a pub and I'd download and at 395 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:15.920 some point Steve said to me, I need to go there. So last 396 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:22.559 April I took Steve out on his first trip to x and he experienced ape 397 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:30.359 activity on his first day in that valley. We walked for about six miles. 398 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.079 We got down, we sat down. I was tired, I fell 399 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:37.799 asleep. I took my daysack off. We were all just sat there. 400 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.880 I was walking up by Brian, who'd seen what he thought was a great 401 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:48.960 creature walk in the tree line in the distance between two trees, and then 402 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.079 whatever that was he couldn't see. So we were all sat there. I 403 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:57.440 fell asleep again. Steve, who I told you might get a wood knock, 404 00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:03.119 but don't expect anything more than a wouldnock, was just stood there looking 405 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:07.839 in the tree line. I then heard him shout there's an effing monkey in 406 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:14.000 a tree, at which point I jumped up and everybody else who'd been sat 407 00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:18.839 there had jumped up. Brandon and a guy called Chad were looking with Steve 408 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:25.319 at an ape in a tree and the tree was being thrashed. He was 409 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:29.000 going left to right and this ape was hanging in the tree. As I 410 00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:33.119 jumped up, all I could see was the tree. This tree was probably 411 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:37.720 eight inches wide, and this tree was being thrashed by an animal as a 412 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:42.960 display. Steve had seen this thing hanging in a tree, and the tree 413 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:48.119 was swaying around. Brandon and Chad had just seen the animal drop out by 414 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.839 the time I'd got a got up, and Brian could only see it as 415 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.559 well. We could only see the tree moving well and truly being thrashed. 416 00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:02.079 This this animal, in probably an aggressive pose, was just freshening the tree 417 00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:04.200 in front of us. I know what Steve's voice sounds it like, but 418 00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:10.680 this was about three octaves higher when he screamed, He's a Special Forces soldier, 419 00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:14.279 or was a Special Forces soldier, and he screamed. And we spent 420 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:15.680 a good half an hour after we went up to tree and had look at 421 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.599 it, and Steve climbed up in the tree, and we've got photographs of 422 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:23.720 him in the position where this animal was. This animal was probably about human 423 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:29.000 sizing, probably a juvenile ape, hanging in a tree, thrashing it in 424 00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:33.480 front of us. When we started heading back to camp, Steve tapped me 425 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.160 on the shoulder and showed me his hand and his hand was shaking. We 426 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:42.119 talked about this on the way back. Now I've never seen Steve. Steve's 427 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:48.000 a Special Forces soldier. Steve's hand was shaking and he was clearly nervous. 428 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:52.400 Now that night he'd put his tent into a position. He pitched his tent. 429 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:59.480 We were all asleep and I heard a scream and him shout go away. 430 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:06.480 Now it transpired that Steve had been woken up by footfall walking down a 431 00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:11.359 track, bipedal footfall, and there'd be a pace and then stop, something 432 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:15.680 that would stopped. Then he had do another pace. Then it had stopped, 433 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:22.079 and he'd heard this animal walk down the track. He then stood next 434 00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:26.759 to his tent and pointed his finger in so he could see a digit push 435 00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:32.279 into the canvas, at which point Steve will deny this, but he screamed 436 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.720 and then kicked the digit and shouted go away. And then I heard Chad 437 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:42.079 scream what was that? I got out. I shone my torch. Step 438 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:47.240 and Chad were there, and they'd both heard this animal walk down the track 439 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:53.200 standing from of Steve's tent poke it, at which point Steve screamed and kicked 440 00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:57.519 this digit. That was eventful. Having told Steve that he'd only ever have 441 00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:02.920 a woodknock, is there seen one on his first day and something's poked his 442 00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:09.000 tent. We went back entho the future, and Steve's been back since. 443 00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:15.279 We were both back again in April, and then that September back out again. 444 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:20.559 I put my tent into the same position as Steve had his tent. 445 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.119 Boy, was that a bad idea. What we found is you can't sit 446 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:29.839 in a camp and expect them to find you. They won't do that. 447 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:31.680 You may be looking, you may have an a to find your camp, 448 00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:37.400 but you've got to spend time on the ground, wandering around in the hope 449 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.880 of picking one up, and in that valley there's definitely more than one eight 450 00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:44.680 there's probably a troop of them, so the chances of you finding one or 451 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:49.119 one finding you is pretty high. And we'd walked out on the first day, 452 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:51.279 we'd spend a lot of time out. We'd spend a lot of time 453 00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.519 out on the second day, and then that night I was lying in my 454 00:32:54.640 --> 00:33:00.559 bed early hours of morning when something started to walk down the track in exactly 455 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:05.400 the same track as Steve had heard it again tactical one pace, stop, 456 00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:12.079 listen, one pace. And I heard this animal walk down the track past 457 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:16.160 my tent, walk down a bit further, and then there was a bit 458 00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:21.920 of a scrub line at this point between an old logging track and our campsite, 459 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.640 and I heard this animal walking around and it was mumbling as a human 460 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:31.640 would mumble. It was mumbling I'm not comfortable at this point. And I'm 461 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:36.920 lying there thinking Brian's listening to this. And at this point there's only Brian 462 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.839 and I in the camp and I'm thinking Brian's hearing this. And then there 463 00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:43.079 was a massive thood and I said, Brian, did you hear that? 464 00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:46.000 And I woke Brian up and he hadn't heard anything, and he said, 465 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:49.279 should we get out? We got out of our tents. As soon as 466 00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.160 you're on zip of tent, if there's something there, it's going to disappear. 467 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:53.319 It's going to go. So as soon as we got out, we 468 00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:57.519 shot our torches around. There's nothing there, got it back into tent. 469 00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.799 I then had a number of podcasts on my phone. I turned my lamp 470 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.839 on my tent, turned my phone on, and spent the rest of the 471 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:09.360 night listening to podcasts because I was massively uncomfortable about what happened. It then 472 00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:15.280 happened the following night the same thing, whatever it was, walk past my 473 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:20.760 tent tactically. I then had a massive adrenaline rush. When people say the 474 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:24.800 binzapped, I think it's adrenaline. My body vibrated. I was lying there 475 00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:31.400 and my body vibrated, at which point again I shouted to Brian. Brian 476 00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:36.559 was asleep. I hadn't heard anything. Now Brian's probably lying there thinking, 477 00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:40.159 bloody ell, Rich, he's now heard things over two nights. He's got 478 00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:44.920 big foot on the brain. We were then joined by two other team members 479 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:49.440 the following day, Jody and Chad. They pitched their tents. We'd been 480 00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.480 out, we'd done a lot of wandering around that day. That night, 481 00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:59.719 I'm lying there and exactly the same thing happened. An animal walked down the 482 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:05.039 train. It walked past my tent, and I'm thinking everybody in camp is 483 00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:08.719 now hearing this. It then went quiet. I fell back to sleep, 484 00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:15.599 and then something ran past my tent. My body vibrated as this thing ran 485 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.679 past my tent. Jody's tent was just on the track opposite me, and 486 00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.639 I shouted, Jody, did you hear that? She woke up, so 487 00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:29.519 did Chad, and so did Brian. So I'm just saying, something's just 488 00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.840 ran past my tent, and clearly these three Americans are a going the mad. 489 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:38.679 Brits has now heard something for the third time in three successive nights, 490 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.960 and certainly Brian hadn't for two nights, and then the other three hadn't heard 491 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:47.199 it that night. And then we had the loudest power knock any of us 492 00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:52.440 as ever heard. Brian had never heard of power knock this loud, and 493 00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:58.880 I shouted, and that's what Sephyn just ran past my tent. So clearly 494 00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:02.320 whatever the animal was heard us all speaking and just whacked the side of a 495 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:07.519 tree. Now, funnily enough, over those two days we'd discuss that was 496 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:12.880 it actually a wood knock or were they vocalizing and it sounded like a would 497 00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.280 knock, maybe hitting the chest or doing something with the mouth. This was 498 00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:22.639 clearly wood onward. They may vocalize to sound like wood knocks, but this 499 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:28.760 was definitely wood on wood. This creature was certainly angry, or it was 500 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.280 letting us know that it was around. So at that point the mad Brit 501 00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:36.119 wasn't the mad Brit anymore because he did it run past nobody else had, 502 00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:39.239 But then that animal would not. Then, going back a couple of years 503 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:44.239 before with Nawac, and I should have mentioned this earlier. We'd been out 504 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.199 for the day got back. We'd been out for about three or four days. 505 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:49.480 We've been an ext for about three or four days, and I was 506 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:54.159 stinking. I smelt, I could smell myself at that point that you need 507 00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:59.000 to clean yourself off, and using wet wipes under your arms to clean yourself 508 00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:02.519 or clearly had worked. The NAWC had got a sort of cold shower at 509 00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:08.239 the back with rain water. I stripped down naked and I showered. I 510 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:14.760 then dried myself off, and as I bent over to pull my trousers up, 511 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:17.320 I looked up. And as I looked up, I looked into a 512 00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:24.480 window in the foliage, and a cinnamon creature got off up the hill. 513 00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:28.840 Now, if it was a bear, this thing would have crashed through the 514 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.719 foliage. If it was a deer, it would have crashed through the foliage. 515 00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:37.960 This thing didn't make a sound. I just saw this cinnamon blur and 516 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:43.719 then it disappeared up the hill. I shouted, I've just seen something. 517 00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:49.119 Brian and Brandon chased this animal up through the trees. Now they found at 518 00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.800 one point they think they got near to an ape. And as they got 519 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.760 near to an ape, all of a sudden, just over somewhere else, 520 00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:00.159 there was a lot of commotion. So there's probably two of them, and 521 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:06.079 one of them had realized Brian and Brandon were near to it and then made 522 00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:07.920 a load of the noise. Then Brian and Brandon went towards the noise, 523 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:13.719 because that's what you do, you go towards the noise to clearly let this 524 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.760 on the other animal escape. But this animal had run up the hill silently. 525 00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:22.079 And I've heard stories about Awac where the animals had run up hills and 526 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.400 made no noise. And you hear on podcasts that people have said that as 527 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:29.039 this animal ran off, it didn't make a noise, and whether it's some 528 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:31.599 more fology of the foot it's able to do this. But I think this 529 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:37.800 animal ran up a dry creepbread and probably use the boulders and made no sound. 530 00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:42.760 So we then recreated what had happened, and I stood in the shower 531 00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.440 area and Brian walked up the creek bed. As he's walking up the creek 532 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:50.320 bed, he saw a position and he thought, I hope Rich brings me 533 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:54.079 onto this position, because this position was looking directly down onto camp. It 534 00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:59.079 was a weird sort of square rock, big boulder in the middle of the 535 00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.280 creek bed. Now he was thinking, this would be an ideal place for 536 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:05.280 me to look down into the campsite. And he's going to I hope Rich 537 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:07.599 stops me here. So I'm saying to Brian, move, move, move. 538 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:14.119 I stopped him in this window of vegetation, and it was exactly where 539 00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:16.679 he thought I should stop him. That if you were an ape and you 540 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:20.719 were sat there and you were looking down into the camp, that's where you 541 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.360 would sit. Now, when I went up there to look down into where 542 00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:27.400 I had been showering, there was a load of muss on that rock, 543 00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:30.039 and some of the muss had been rubbed away, And it was almost like 544 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:37.760 this animal was sat on this boulder looking down at the weird naked humans down 545 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:42.079 in the campsite. It was a cracking position to just watch us. Now, 546 00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:45.159 a couple of times when I've been there before, when when we've heard 547 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:49.159 mouth popping, it was from that area. So clearly they got an area 548 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:52.519 where they could just sit there all night and if they needed to and just 549 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.960 watch the team just sat there though I'd brought Brian into exactly the same note. 550 00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:00.559 I took a photograph of the window and the foliage with Brian in the 551 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:05.280 middle, And stay tuned for more Sasquat jalousy. We'll be right back after 552 00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:13.559 these messages. Now, this animal was a third bigger on one side and 553 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:16.239 a third bigger on the other. It was massive. It had been there 554 00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:21.800 watching me shower. Now at that point it seemed me naked. It knows 555 00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:24.679 I am not a threat. I'm not a threat to it because I'm not 556 00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:30.280 ape sized, and it's now seeing the naked human and it had watched me, 557 00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:32.320 and it had only got to a point where I was pulling my pants 558 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:36.559 up and I'd looked up. I clocked it, it realized that it had 559 00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:39.320 been seen, and it ran up the hill silently. These creatures are really 560 00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:45.000 tactical. Now Steve will tell you that they've read the Closer Reconnaissance Handbook, 561 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:51.440 because what they do is massively tactical. They know where they can stand and 562 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.840 not be seen, and if you move towards them, they know exactly how 563 00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:59.039 far they need to move back so you can't see them. And if you're 564 00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:01.320 not looking for them, they'll just sit there and they'll just watch you. 565 00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:07.719 They'll follow you. Last year, after Steve's sighting, after Steve's poke, 566 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.400 Steve and I, at the end of the day, having trekked out, 567 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:15.800 would go out at last light and sit down and just wait till it was 568 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.599 dark and just see what was happening. Because you know what's happened that last 569 00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.639 night. You'll get deer out, you'll get things moving around. We had 570 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:25.119 hugs while we were there. We had deer. The first night we went 571 00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:29.440 out, we were sat in a tree line just looking down on the track 572 00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.239 and I heard a sound. I just looked at Steve. Steve was looking 573 00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:36.199 at me with his mouth open, and I said, what if you just 574 00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:40.559 heard? And he went, something just went, and we'd heard this a 575 00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:45.519 good mile out from camp. I was uncomfortable at this point because this was 576 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:47.760 quite near to us. We couldn't see anything. I just had Steve come 577 00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:51.760 on, we're going back, and we walked back into camp. We told 578 00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:55.920 the team the following night, Steve and I did exactly the same now what 579 00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.480 we did. We walked down a track and we were really obvious. We 580 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:05.199 were being really loud. We were talking loudly, and I'd said to Steve, 581 00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:08.480 at some point we'll stop talking. We'll come off the track quietly, 582 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:14.239 sit down and just see what happens. Maybe we've been trailed by an eight. 583 00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:17.119 One's paralleling us, and we might see one walking down the track behind 584 00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:21.159 us, and we'd see what we can see. We shut up. We 585 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.840 got to the edge of the track where I wanted to sit. It was 586 00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:27.400 pretty loud. There was a creek bed and it was loud. You could 587 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.719 hear the river. You could hear stones being moved around the river. I 588 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:35.760 said to Steve, this isn't a good position. Let's find somewhere else and 589 00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:40.519 silently we walked about probably twenty thirty meters and then went over the other side 590 00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:45.960 of the track and sat down for twenty minutes. It's getting towards last night. 591 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:50.000 Nothing's happening. I'm getting bored. I got mom binoculars out to try 592 00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.000 and look and see if as any birds going through, and there was a 593 00:42:52.079 --> 00:43:00.119 scrub line about fifty meters away. I scanned through the scrub line. It's 594 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:04.760 an object. Moved to the left, look back on the object again, 595 00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:08.559 and I was looking at the back of an ape, conical head, shoulders, 596 00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:14.840 wide body. I turned to Steve and said I've seen an ape. 597 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:20.840 Steve got up from his position, ran across. I got back and that 598 00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.280 animal had gone, but I was looking at wasn't there anymore? So I 599 00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:27.880 got on the radio said to the guys, we got eyes on an ape. 600 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.360 Brian said, do you want us to come? And I said, 601 00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:36.639 no, there's an epe between us and you. I'm not happy with this. 602 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:42.239 I'm leaving now because this thing was massive and it was really weird, 603 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.360 look like it was tricolored. It was dark and there was bits of light 604 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:50.679 streaking in it, and it looked a bit weird. I really bizarred. 605 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:54.000 My brain wasn't working very well when I got back, and we immediately video 606 00:43:55.119 --> 00:44:00.199 encounters and I was being videoed by Brian and I'm describing what he was that 607 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:02.880 as it looked like Rod Stewart. I don't know where Rod Stewart came from, 608 00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.159 but that's the only thing I could describe it as nothing like Rod Stewart, 609 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.559 but that's how I described it. So the following day we went back 610 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:15.039 and we sat in the position and I got the guys onto where I thought 611 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:19.679 it was, and it couldn't have been where it was. It knelt down, 612 00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.079 probably about ten meters further on, and it was knelt down next to 613 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:29.840 a tree. Now we figured out we could see two look like dents where 614 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:31.920 two knee caps would be, but there were knee caps twice a size of 615 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:37.400 ours. Now, this animal probably been following us. It was watching us. 616 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.039 It was probably in the scrub line. It watched us. It was 617 00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:45.880 paralleling us down the track, and then we jumped into our first area. 618 00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:51.159 It sat down where it thought he could then watch us, but probably while 619 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:54.400 it was getting itself into position, we moved, so then it sat there 620 00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:59.199 looking at the track. Where it thinks we are, and we're not there 621 00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:01.440 anymore. We somewhere else. And then I saw the back of it, 622 00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:05.280 and when I said to Steve, I've got an ape, and Steve moved 623 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:09.440 across it clearly knew it had been sprung, and it disappeared and where it's 624 00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:15.400 knee caps were. Then next to this tree was a branch where something had 625 00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:20.320 stood on this branch and snapped it. There was a wide snap, so 626 00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:23.920 this animal had clearly just run off silently again, but that's how they are. 627 00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:29.440 Their tactical. They follow you around. This one had clearly followed us 628 00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.239 and had lost us, and I happened to see the back of it. 629 00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:39.639 They're there. There's no doubt that there is an undescribed primate in North America. 630 00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:43.639 Now, if you said that to me in twenty ten, i'd've probably 631 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:46.400 laughed at you. But so much has happened to me. I count myself 632 00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:52.800 lucky now that I've probably seen three that can't be anything but apes, and 633 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:59.559 then three things that probably are. There can't be anything else but three definite 634 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:06.000 SiGe itings of apes. Now I'm counting the eye shine that I saw on 635 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:08.719 my first trip as an eight because the fingers were moving around. Now. 636 00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:12.559 The funny thing about eye shine as well. The eye shine I saw on 637 00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:17.199 my first two trips in two X it was greenish yellow. I've seen eyeshine 638 00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:22.320 over the last two trips that have been red, which pould and I remember 639 00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:27.239 posing the question on the forum of the NAWAC. I've seen yellow eye shine, 640 00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:30.880 yellow green eye shine, but everybody's describing red and they said it could 641 00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:34.159 be both. You can see both. I don't know how they do it, 642 00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.239 but they do. Last year, we walked out a camp Brian shouted, 643 00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:42.760 I've got eyeshine. I didn't see it. Initially, Brian and Chad 644 00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:47.719 saw two red eyes looking at hers, a significant eye, and then eventually 645 00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:52.079 I saw it and then we lost it in the distance. The following day 646 00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:58.199 we went back to where we saw it, and that animal was stood in 647 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:02.159 a drainage ditch looking at us. So half of its body was in a 648 00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:06.679 drainage ditch, and it clearly moved up a drainage ditch, but where it 649 00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:10.480 was he could look directly intoward the campsite we were in. It was there. 650 00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:15.440 It was stood there looking at us, and then realized we were seeing 651 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:17.519 it, and he just walked off in the pitch black, and we didn't 652 00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:21.960 see it now Brandon of the time, as we were walking out of camp, 653 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.239 Brian had said to Brandon over, you've got the thermal, and Brandon 654 00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:29.480 has forgotten it, and he'd gone back to the campsite to get the thermal. 655 00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:32.000 By the time he'd got back and we were scanning this animal that had 656 00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:37.239 gone, but it was stood tactically, half of it, bit of its 657 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.519 body in this drainage ditch, the rest of it just looking down into camp. 658 00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:47.719 And then Steve and I this year in October, first night were intense 659 00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.840 and there was clearly something wandering around camp at night times. Again tactically it 660 00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:57.559 was. It wasn't the first night, but the second night something was walking 661 00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:00.679 around camp tactically. So the following night, Brian had brought his air stream 662 00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:06.960 down. We're at a trailhead. He's got this wonderful airstream caravan. He 663 00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:10.400 pulled the awning out and Steve and I slept under the awning and we said, 664 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:14.599 look, if there's an animal walking around and we're intent, we're not 665 00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:15.480 going to see it. And if we don't zip the tent, it's going 666 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:20.400 to move off. Let's sleep where we are. Let's sleep outside and if 667 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:22.320 one comes in, we might get sight of it. And that night I 668 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:28.480 was walking up by Steve and he'd seen eye shine effectively again because we checked 669 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:31.920 it. The following day there was an animal stood in another drainage ditch looking 670 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.519 into camp. And when Steve had said, Rich, I've got eyeshine and 671 00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:40.679 woke me up, I moved and the eye shiners disappeared. It clearly knew 672 00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:45.000 it had been seen, and it moved off. So that was the first 673 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.960 night we slept out. The second night, what we decided we would do 674 00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:53.599 is we'd sit in Brian's truck all night, just Steve and I because Brian 675 00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:55.840 was in his bed, even if looking to get out of his air stream, 676 00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.039 he was a nice double bed in his air stream. He was going 677 00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:01.159 to sleep in there. At last, like Steve and I got into a 678 00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:05.400 Brian's truck. We had the windows open. He's sat in the front, 679 00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:08.639 I'm sat in the back. It was freezing. It was really cold, 680 00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:13.159 and there was cold coming through the bed of the truck and I could feel 681 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.920 it just going on my legs, and I had nothing really to keep myself 682 00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:22.239 warm. And at some point I fell asleep and I lay down on the 683 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:29.400 back seat and Steve heard clanging metal in the campsite and he woke me up. 684 00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:34.440 I sat up. As soon as I sat up, there was this 685 00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:39.559 pulsating smell came into the truck. Now I just said it was like something 686 00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:45.880 that defecated, but Steve describes it as defecation. And if you drag your 687 00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:49.480 the stick under the bottom of a pond that's got a load of dead leaves 688 00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.480 on there, and that smell comes out. He described as that smell mixed 689 00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:58.639 with excrement. I described it as excrement. It was a pulsating smell came 690 00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:02.039 into the truck, then stopped and we were sat there and we were fully 691 00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:08.440 expecting to see an ape walk from the bottom of Brian's airstream and into campsite, 692 00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:14.320 and then nothing happened. We had one more pulsating smell and that was 693 00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:17.960 it. Now the following morning, what we found was Brian had left his 694 00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:23.159 daysack out and he'd got two metal bottles in there. Something had dragged that 695 00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:29.000 day sack about six foot and the metal bottles had clanged, and that's what 696 00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:34.719 Steve had heard. Now I sat up. What we believe may have happened 697 00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:38.280 is something was watching. Steve sat in the front of the truck and then 698 00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:44.519 when I sat up, it was shocked maybe and did that smell that they 699 00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:49.960 do, And it was a pulsating smell that then stopped and then pulsated a 700 00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:53.159 few minutes later on. So that was my first experience of smelling them. 701 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:58.519 We make notes of everything. We got field notes. Somebody takes field notes 702 00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.159 in every trip. Whoever takes field notes, I still do my own, 703 00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:07.000 and I've got a notepad with field notes and photographs everything that happens. So 704 00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:10.280 zero one hundred hours would not to the southeaster camp. I've logged it in 705 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:15.199 this notebook. Now I've got in the list at the back a list of 706 00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:20.800 things that have occurred. So if there was a book of wood eight behavior, 707 00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:24.519 I've ticked them off. I've written pantut, I've written given call, 708 00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:30.639 would knock mouth pop. And my last one now is I've now written the 709 00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:36.360 stink because I've now smelt them. Now, this trip was really interesting. 710 00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:40.199 We then again spent the day walking out. We've been out all day walking. 711 00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:44.920 We got back into camp. We were sat down in our chairs and 712 00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:49.119 we were drinking and chatting. Now Steve wants to see an them. So 713 00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.960 Steve stood up and he's just looking into the woods. He's looking at the 714 00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:57.119 track we'd come up into the campsite. He was just looking into that area. 715 00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:00.159 His idea was if something was going to follow, as it might come 716 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:02.320 up that track. And he's just stood there, and then he's looking through 717 00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:07.039 the trees and he could see what he described as do you o the wood 718 00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:09.760 burlls on damaged trees? You get some describing as wood cancer, but it's 719 00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:14.159 where the tree has been damaged. He could see out the side of this 720 00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.960 tree, this black damaged wood burl, and he's looking at his wood burl. 721 00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:22.480 He's got really bad pair of binoculars for a Special Forces soldier, he's 722 00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:25.639 got the shittiest pair of binocular as ever. And he's looking through these these 723 00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:30.519 really bad binoculars at this wood burl for about two minutes. And then this 724 00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:37.119 wood burl moved and the head poked out, and he describes a black faced 725 00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:42.480 gorilla, at which point he shouted I I don't know what he shouted, 726 00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:46.559 but he indicated he'd seen something peeking out from the tree. We all jumped 727 00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:51.960 up and we stood there and write, Steve, where is it? And 728 00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:55.199 he said, it's on the tree with the sunlight. Now you look down 729 00:52:55.239 --> 00:53:00.639 there, every tree has got sunlight on it. So I'm sca from right 730 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:07.400 to left and I pick up what looks like what I initially thought was the 731 00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:09.679 legs of an animal, just sticking out, and Steve saying, I can't 732 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:13.960 see the head anymore, and I'm saying, Steve, I can see hair. 733 00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:16.199 I can see black hair. And at the side of the tree, 734 00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:21.519 I could just see what I thought was from maybe the waist downwards, and 735 00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:23.559 I was trying to get everybody onto it. Then we lost it. We've 736 00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:28.960 taken photographs of it, and if you take photographs of an area, it's 737 00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.679 really bizarre. You look at the photograph and you think, how can an 738 00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:36.360 animal ide behind that tree? But actually our ground troof is a lot different, 739 00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:39.800 and photographs don't actually pick up all the scrub that's around either. We 740 00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:44.880 walked down there later on and we've had Brandon stand by the tree and I 741 00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:50.519 looked through by baroculars and what I was probably looking at was probably shoulder downwards. 742 00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:53.000 It wasn't legs downwards, it was actually shoulder downwards. This creature was 743 00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:57.320 bloody massive. I don't know how it hid behind that tree, but it 744 00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:00.000 did. But Steve had seen what he thought as a wood bull and then 745 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:05.559 the head poked out and it's or a tree peak. That place, I've 746 00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:09.400 heard it described as Jurassic Park, and it is. It really is. 747 00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:15.920 Whether there's one troop in one valley and the moving around or My hypothesis is 748 00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:20.400 that it's probably wrong, but there's a probably a troop of apes in the 749 00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.800 valley that see operating. There may be a troop of apes in the valley 750 00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:29.000 we operate in, and they don't mix because obviously there are two troops. 751 00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.760 They may mix. You hear descriptions of a gray animal that's walking around, 752 00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:37.480 now, Brian's seeing a gray animal in both of those valleys. Now whether 753 00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:43.559 it's the same animal or whether there are two sort of silver back males wandering 754 00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:47.559 around in different valleys, but it's an amazing place and it shouldn't be Oklahoma. 755 00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:51.559 When I thought of alcohola before I went there, it was just a 756 00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:54.760 load of farmers singing in the song in a movie. But that place is 757 00:54:54.920 --> 00:55:01.800 just it's amazing. The area ANYWC rating is difficult to get into, and 758 00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:06.280 if you listen to Seth Breedlove talk about it, saying how difficult it is 759 00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:09.800 to get into there. It is now the campsite we operated in initially in 760 00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:15.079 the new Valley. We won't drive trucks down into there anymore. Brian keeps 761 00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:17.960 trashing his truck every time he gets in there. It's so difficult to get 762 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:22.239 into and he's got dents and bits missing off in now. So we don't 763 00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:27.119 camp there anymore. We camp somewhere else and walk into that valley because it's 764 00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:30.400 just too difficult to get into. We don't see many people. We occasionally 765 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:37.079 get ATV drivers going through. Last year we had a forestry worker she gone 766 00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:42.400 down into there to look at the health of trees. We saw a walk 767 00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:45.920 down in the morning and all day she was walking around the woods and she's 768 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.719 pracing little flags around trees, and we found these flags around cornerfer trees that 769 00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:52.920 I think they're probably going to go in there to do a bit of wood 770 00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:57.159 clearing. She said she was looking at the health for trees. But funnily 771 00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:00.280 enough, when she walked out as she left, Brian and I heard a 772 00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:05.960 whistle just afterwards, and we walked off to where's we walked to where we'd 773 00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.639 heard the whistle, and then got a radio call from David who said that 774 00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:14.400 as this lady had walked out of the valley, there was a knock as 775 00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:17.760 she left the valley. See you will describe that there's probably a century on 776 00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:22.239 the valley and his vehicle's come in and come in, they'll get a wood 777 00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:24.719 knock. Now, Brandon and I a couple of years ago tried this and 778 00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:30.119 we knew that Daryl was coming into the valley late. And just before last 779 00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:35.000 night, Brandon and I walked out the valley and we sat either side of 780 00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:38.519 a track waiting for Daryl to come. And the idea was we'd watch Darrel's 781 00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:44.079 truck drive through the valley and we'd hopefully see something following it. Now, 782 00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:46.239 we heard a power knock and I got on the radio, and so Darrel's 783 00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:51.239 on his way in, and about two minutes later we heard Darrel's truck. 784 00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:54.760 So something was sat at the edge of that valley as a century, and 785 00:56:55.159 --> 00:57:00.519 as a vehicle came in, it knocked to let all the other rapes know 786 00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:04.559 that something was coming in. They described that happening all the time. I've 787 00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:07.360 heard it on another podcasts that's a description. You have a century out and 788 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.599 that centry's waiting, and Sunday moves in. They'll knock to let everybody know. 789 00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:14.920 I'm a brick. I shouldn't have experienced this. I know, as 790 00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:17.199 people like Adam Davis has done this sort of stuff, But I fell into 791 00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:22.039 this by mistake. I was at bird watching. My life has changed considerably. 792 00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:27.719 There is not a day where I don't think about that valley. If 793 00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:30.239 I can't get to sleep in the early hours of the morning, I imagine 794 00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:35.840 myself walking around those tracks and eventually I'll fall asleep. And I said to 795 00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:39.440 Steve when we left after our first trip, you will think about this place 796 00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:44.320 every day for the rest of your life. And he does. And I've 797 00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:47.559 told a few friends. I thought I kept its secret on social media, 798 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:53.920 but I've had two people contacting me on Instagram and said, are you that 799 00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:59.360 rich who was in the podcast a few years ago? And they'd got me 800 00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:02.960 because I'd like people's photographs and they'd start who I am. So those people 801 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:07.480 know, but I've kept it pretty quiet. I've let certain people know, 802 00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:10.920 but I've got a whole range of really good friends who haven't got a clue. 803 00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:15.840 As far as they're concerned, and as far as work's concerned, I 804 00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:20.280 go to do large mammal surveys. I'm not lying. I'm just not telling 805 00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:23.320 them what large mammal is. Fuddily enough, we had a sort of team 806 00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:28.400 building event a couple of weeks ago, and you had to sit next to 807 00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:32.400 somebody and they had to draw a portrait of you. Then they'd stand up 808 00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:36.320 and they say, this is rich. This is what I think is like, 809 00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:38.519 I've got short hair, i haven't got a beard. He drew a 810 00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:45.000 picture of a man with long hair and a long beard and a sign behind 811 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:50.280 it saying Bigfoot weather. Some people have so stout and Funnily enough, my 812 00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:53.719 boss has said to me, as anybody ever said they've seen Bigfoot? And 813 00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:58.199 he laugh And I've jokingly said to people I know people who say they've seen 814 00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:00.440 an ape in North America. I haven't said, oh, by the way, 815 00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:04.000 I'm one of them. I've said to people, I'll put it into 816 00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:07.079 conversation. I know people who said there's an ape in North America. I've 817 00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:10.159 not just said that, By the way, I'm one of them. I've 818 00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:15.280 got two seth Breedlove's posters are framed on the wall in my office on the 819 00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:21.119 trailer Bigfoot pictures, they're on the wall. I've got the Grace Harbor track 820 00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:24.320 that used to be on my office. It's now at home. But yeah, 821 00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:29.119 I'm sure some people have probably sussed out what I'm doing, but they're 822 00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.719 too polite to say, because we're Brits and we are too polite. But 823 00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:37.679 yeah, it's amazing. I listened to numerous podcasts mainly for validation, despite 824 00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:39.400 the fact they don't need validation anymore. I can pick up and go, 825 00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:43.960 Yeah, that is exactly what's happened to me, and some of the people 826 00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:47.360 who've been on your podcasts, I've just bought shit. Yeah, that is 827 00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:52.800 exactly that has happened to me. People describing stuff that's happened in Pennsylvania. 828 00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:57.039 Yeah, it's happening all over North America, folks, and most of you 829 00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:00.039 don't know. Only they're chosen for you. I think all the people you 830 01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:02.719 decide to go out into those woods, and I think any better wilderness in 831 01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:06.840 North America's got an ape. And we're probably going to go to Oregon later 832 01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:08.880 on in the year. Might not see anything, but I'm going to see 833 01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:13.719 Oregon because I've always wanted to go there, but there's a good chance if 834 01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:16.119 you're in the right place and you've got boots on the ground, you're going 835 01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:22.719 to bump into one or you're going to elicit sort of behavior where you'll start 836 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:27.559 getting woodnooks and you'll start getting calls. But it's an amazing place. Area 837 01:00:27.639 --> 01:00:30.679 Ex is definitely on my checklist. I think I've made inroads with Darryl and 838 01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:34.840 Brian and all those guys. I'm going to try to work my way in 839 01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:37.920 here. I would love to make a trip out there this spring or summer. 840 01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:40.599 I would love to get out and spend at least four or five days 841 01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:44.800 out in Area Ex. I think it would be I really appreciate you coming 842 01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:46.519 on and sharing your experiences. Rich It's been a blast having you on the 843 01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:51.079 show man. Yeah, I've been looking forward to it all day. Actually, 844 01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:52.920 yeah, we came on this later because it's two o'clock in the morning. 845 01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.360 It's now half past three in the morning. I'm going to get to 846 01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:58.719 bed in them and it had a couple of hours sleep before this. But 847 01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:01.039 it's been great to catch up the face to a voice because I've only ever 848 01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:04.679 heard you before. And hopefully we'll see you later run in the year in 849 01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:10.280 the UK, they say you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. 850 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:44.280 And I don't want to be long. 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