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What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to Season two, episode seventy

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five of Clips and Dip Now with
one hundred percent more dip and one hundred

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percent more Justin Rousseau, the fantastic
Clippers reporter, is joining us today.

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We've got a lot of great stuff
to talk about. I am Chuck Mockler,

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joined by Adam osm and Will Updike, who is making some last second

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dip preparations. If you're watching this, this is my hands are up.

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I'm good. Okay, he's got
the dip in time. There will be

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no desatulations or pay decreases coming up
now that the dip is in time.

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We're gonna talk about a lot of
good stuff today. Justin mister Rousseau wrote

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a great draft article. We're gonna
talk about we're gonna talk about the twenty

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thirty pick, and we're gonna talk
about Kawhi being second team All NBA.

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But before we get into it,
Adam, Will, how are you guys

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doing? Adam, how are you
doing today? First team All Dip?

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I mean I got a good one
again today. I'm not messing around.

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When it comes to this new feature
we have, we will reveal the Dips

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at the very end of the show. But you may notice that you're watching

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on the YouTube. We might be
eating while the show is happening. However,

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so far, nobody has crunched on
the air. For instance, Chuck

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is chewing down a chip right now. You don't hear it. If somebody

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happens to have their mic unmuted and
they chow out on a chip or two,

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they're putting time out for five minutes
time. And that's even more meaningful

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today because we have Justin Rousseau on. You have five minutes without Justin Rousseau.

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Is that a negative? Yeah?
I don't know. No, that's

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that's punishment. Man. Come on, well, thank you for being here.

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How are you doing. We'll get
to Russo on a sec. We

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got to get to the dips first. Will, how are you doing.

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I'm good, I'm doing really well. Did I do the dog unveiling last

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episode? I can't remember? Briefly, We'll got a dogg Oh yeah,

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what kind of dog is that?
Will? It is a teacup Terrier and

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he is fully grown with the smallest
thing ever. There we go to good

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time dog dog ownership, Look at
me dog ownership, Dip ownership, mister

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Russo Russo for those of you who
somehow don't know Justin russ So. If

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you follow this pod, Adam always
says your name like a French Canadian?

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How areting a lot of heat from
No Eagle over the years for that?

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For whatever reason? Who just won
an Emmy? By the way, just

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putting that out there, it makes
me feel important what he says my name

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like that, I feel more sophisticated
than I ever should. Okay, that's

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that's good. We want a feeling
of sophistication on this show, paired with

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the dips. How are you doing? How's your Clippers off season? How

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did you feel seeing Kawhi being named
second tim al NBA. I'm personally doing

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fine. I'm actually thankful for the
off season. I needed time to unwind.

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It was a long year, but
never really truly the off season to

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some degree. There's still always stuff
to do and follow and write and cover.

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But for the most part it's been
It's been great. I've had time

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to kind of decompress a little bit. Obviously, there was the news today,

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as you said, Coolhi make second
Team All NBA. That was the

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h maybe a little bit surprised that
he made second team, but you know,

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it was very well deserving that he
made All NBA at least. But

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you know, just hopefully next season
it ends with him able to play in

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the postseason. At this point,
like that's kind of what everyone's just waiting

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on it at this point in time
with them. Yeah, did you read

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did you guys read the toe Mayor
piece that came out today that kind of

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that was about the trade. I
read bits and pieces of it over the

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last few days as he sent me
snippets, and then I read the full

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thing today. Yeah, I was
in the war room, so that stuff.

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Yeah, exactly the shadow to here. No, it was it was

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good, it was accurate. I
think it's I know, it's like a

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taboo thing to mention, but they
did lose the trade, and I think

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it's it's fair to say that.
And I think that this is just me

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personally speaking. I think the path
to kind of getting over it is accepting

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the fact that you're that you're past
it, And I think you know,

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once you accept that, then you
can kind of continue along the quote unquote

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healing process and figuring out the rest
of the way. Wait, counterpoint,

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they've made the Western Conference Finals since
the trade. The OKC thunder have not.

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They lost in the second round.
What's up they have and I and

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that's obviously all very well and true. I think to look at the trade,

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you have to also look at it
as they had a finite amount of

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time to get it done. And
the goal for the trade wasn't just the

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conference finals. It was to get
to a finals, of course, and

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if not, when a title.
And they they they've never you know,

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outside of the bubble year, they've
never finished a season with both guys on

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the floor, and so that's been
a loss in and of itself. They've

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had to pivot several times along the
way and send out more things to remedy

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situations and you know, mistakes that
they made over the years to kind of

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to fix it, and then just
never has worked out. And I think

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it's okay to say that they lost
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mean they haven't done good things.
It's just you know, they're at a

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point now go go ahead at them. Would you also say just because they

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lost it doesn't mean they shouldn't have
done it, since every other team would

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have done that at the time.
I agreed that because they lost it,

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it doesn't mean they shouldn't have done
it out. Yeah, correct, Like,

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at the time it was the right
move to make for them to contend

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for a title. It just didn't
work out, hence they lost it,

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But it doesn't mean that they were
wrong to try. I think, genuinely,

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when we talk about the NBA,
we give too many teams crap for

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willingly going for like we people did
it to Minnesota with the go Beart trade.

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I did. Yeah, you know, like it takes time, but

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I don't think teams should be given
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feel like it signifies that they're actually
trying to be serious. Does it always

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work out, No, of course
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out. But I don't think you
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And I totally understand your point.
I was somewhat tongue in cheek with the

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Western Conference Finals comment because obviously,
okay, see can make the argument we're

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just starting our five year window of
being open to win a championship. They

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have all these pieces, they can
still get so much better internally and also

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through trade assets and things like that, which to be fair is also a

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dangerous game because you might think your
runway is very long, and truth be

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told, in the NBA, in
the era that we're in, your runway

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is really not as long as you
think it is. Just ask Memphis to

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some degree, you know, and
even ask the prime iteration of the Oklahoma

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City Thunder. They made a finals
and then that was kind of it.

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You know. Yeah, no one
should know more than them. So I

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expect, actually, Sam Press you
to make a hard pivot this offseason,

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knowing that, knowing that there's so
much scrutiny regarding him as a GM and

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being a hoarder when it comes to
picks and things like that. I actually

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think they're gonna swing big this summer, so we'll see that. I think

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they should as well. To be
honest, they personally, I know this

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isn't then Oklahoma City Thunder podcast.
It's firmly not personally, I think they

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should go just do whatever they can
to get Lori Marknen and just if you

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have to pay a pretty penny,
just do it. I think that's where

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they should be at. The Clippers
can't do anything like that. They are

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firmly Yeah, they lost Dan Craig
or Dan Craig left. Will you and

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I were kind of talking about this
when it happened, is A Is it

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that big of a deal? And
I don't mean that disrespectfully towards Dan Craig

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and b doesn't kind of help the
Clippers get out of this rut that I

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think think we can all agree they're
kind of in with this era right now.

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I mean, I guess I'll address
the last part of the question first.

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No, I don't think this has
anything to do with the rut.

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I don't think Dan Craig has is
any part of the reason why Kawuhi hasn't

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finished any of the last four straight
postseasons. Uh So, No, I

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don't think it helps to do anything
with the rut. I think that the

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assistant coach relationship probably depends on the
situation. You know, where you are,

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how much input you have. If
he was more in charge of the

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defensive end of the ball, I
mean, wasn't looking great there, so

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I guess not a big loss in
that regard. He was never that good

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on the mic in the Korean post
conference, So I mean, could we

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get somebody, Yeah, could we
get somebody if someone has to fill in?

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Could you know, maybe maybe just
throw a couple throw a couple jokes.

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You know, Ty doesn't love to
be with the media, but can

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he get on the mic. He
can chop it up. So I respect

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Dan Craig. I think it's interesting
that he decided to make this move.

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I hope it's not emblematic of him
sensing what the next season is going to

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look like for this team and internally, because it feels like he would probably

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feel the same way a lot of
fans do about what it seems like is

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going to happen again next season.
I wonder, and you brought up the

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defensive or the lack of defensive prowess
the last couple of seasons by the Clippers.

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You look at it. He's the
defensive coordinator, not just because DC

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is initials or anything like that.
That's his job. They finished sixteenth,

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Yeah, sorry, they finished sixteenth
this past season. Defensively, they were

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actually much worse than that. If
you just take out the first month of

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the season, we're talking like a
bottom five defense. Crazy fact, really

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quick, sorry, Adam. It
was the worst defensive rating in the history

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of the his last year, which
I thought was crazy. I know,

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obviously, offenses changed and stuff,
But I was like, damn, I

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was like the worst ever with that
many games from Beaching and Kawhi they met,

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they were seventeenth, though the year
before they were one slot worse.

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Oh, I mean number wise,
like not like ranking wise, like number

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wise. Basketball Reference told me,
okay, what number okay, like field

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goal percentage given up or something like
the total defensive rating number, not like

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that. Yeah, the points one
hundred posession. Yeah, this year was

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sixteenth. Last year was seventeenth.
Right, I'm telling you the number itself,

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not the ranking. Oh. I
see what you just saying. I

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see what you're saying. Not bad. Uh. Yeah. I wonder if

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because he was somebody who was on
the rise when they brought him in.

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He was talked about at that point
being the heir apparent to Eric Spolstra in

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Miami, being on the fast track
to being a head coach. And obviously

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there's no salary cap when it comes
to paying coaches, and Steve ball or

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take care of him to make the
make him the associate head coach. So

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I wonder if he's taken kind of
a step back now and he has to

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reclaim a little bit of his value. You could say, going to Chicago

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and maybe it's easier to turn around, even though they've had decent defenses kind

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of over the past couple of years, but maybe just being out of the

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spotlight a little bit, or maybe
it's a lower bar because they're not expected

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to do as much as living that
that assistant coach salary goes a lot further

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in Chicago. Yeah, I'm just
spitballing here because I'm not, you know,

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too clear on why timing wise,
that he would end up leaving justin

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Do you have any inside for us? Well, three things really. Number

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one, Dan's a very bright guy. I spent some time talking to him

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privately for a piece. I never
got to write the piece because of car

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issues towards the end of the season, and that took up a large portion

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of my time. So that was
fun. Yeah, so I never got

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to write the piece, but I
talked to him. I guess i'll,

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you know, expose a little bit
of what I talked him about. This

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was in Sacramento then the day that
we learned that Kawhi was out. So

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Kawhi just played the previous game against
Charlotte and then that was the last time

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he played for the season. So
I'd been meaning to talk to Dan for

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about about a couple of weeks to
a month, and so I was finally

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able to talk to him in Sacramento. I went up there and had a

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very good, long conversation with them
all on the record about defense. And

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this is obviously a very bright guy. He's a guy who understands defense to

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a degree that anyone listening to this
will never fully understand. And the way

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that the game has We talked about
the way that the game has evolved.

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We talked about defensive principles, everything
under the sun defensively I number two.

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I look at it as I don't
think the team was satisfied at where they

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were defensively, and I don't think
it was a Dan Craig issue. I

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genuinely think it was a look,
the guys are just not there. They're

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just not at the point that we
need them to be. They switched their

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coverages throughout the season. Initially they
had centers play up to the level of

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screens. Then they went to a
drop cover. I'm sorry if you hear

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craggly noises. I have a dog
toy that just got brought to me.

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I thought, you're gonna be like
I'm playing with this dog. To I

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was like Will and I are hanging
out, But where was I? Oh?

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They changed their defensive coverages throughout the
season. Initially they were trying to

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come up to the level of the
screen a lot. Then when they became

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better defensively towards the end of the
season, they were playing drop coverage more,

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which is what they were used to. So they tried things they just

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didn't fully work. So it was
more of a personnel issue, I'd say,

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than coaching issue. And third,
this is just my read on it.

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I don't have any insight on this. I personally am looking at Dan

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leaving as a sign that Tie is
probably closer to an extension than he was

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before. And the reason I say
that is because Dan has been groomed to

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be the next guy wherever he goes
like he was being groomed that way.

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As Adam said in Miami, he
was the associate head coach, which was

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a promotion with the Clippers. He
was paid very well for that. You

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know, he coached games with the
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but clearly was a straight shooter and
this this might be the next pathway for

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him to get the job that he's
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you bring up the personnel issue,
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I agree, it's not a scheme
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and consistency every night, partially because
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team and it's hard to do it
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games during the regular season. And
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today, And this just came out
a couple hours ago, and Lakers fans

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were upset and saying, how did
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I was looking up the defensive numbers. When Kawhi Leonard was out there on

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the court for the Clippers during the
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they had defensive rating about one hundred
and eleven point one, not about

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exactly that so, which is about
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court, it jumped to one seventeen
point nine, which is like a bottom

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five defense. Like it was that
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court, who was holding so much
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went through that state without Aviatza Zubos
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saw Quiet an amazing defensive season.
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Clipper. Uh. And that was
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Lowan guys like that were looking at
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almost within a fraction of a point
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On the court, Kawhi was very
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he's still an older guy and he's
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the defensive rating gets worse and worse. So I agree with you.

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I think it says less about Dan
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this team and just not having enough
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out there for eighty two games that
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is up after this season. Correct? Yeah, So when I was at

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Team USA last summer. It was
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really privately. I mean it was
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He was on the record, and
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the last two years of his deal. He was waiting for his final year

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to get picked up. And then
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August, shortly after, because Andrew
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the Clippers picked up the fifth year
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is this upcoming season. Because Tye
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this is obviously he's already done four
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five. So I know there was
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twenty five twenty six was the final
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I've gotten nowhere with that. I've
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going off twenty four to twenty five, just based on the reporting that was

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out there and just talking to ty
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this coming season is the last year
he's under a contract, and that's why

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they're working on trying to work on
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chosen to read it. I texted
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the report came out regarding Darvin Ham
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Clippers put out it looked like that
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coach lu to a long term deal, and he said the exact same thing,

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that this upcoming season is the final
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I think it was just a typo
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guy come on a casual I mean, the guy puts out a lot of

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stuff, so I wouldn't be shocked
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to woj bombing. Just pathetic and
we I mean, do you feel,

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I mean, chances seem high that
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you saw those quotes he said just
throughout about like Bomber teaching him, you

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know, like learning how to be
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feel like he's coming back, right. I am operating, operating under the

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assumption that he is coming back.
I've operated under that assumption the last couple

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of months. So unless I hear
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going with Last year. I'll put
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I was shakier on him returning than
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there's anything to the Lakers waiting still
to hire somebody because there was a report

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out there that they were trying to
see what the Clippers move was with coach

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lou Is there anything to that in
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I think they'd be smart to do
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budenholes are already coming off the board. I don't think there's a rush to

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fill a coaching vacancy until you see
how everything else un both, like,

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for instance, we gotta get JJ
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mean, maybe they're waiting for like, honestly, it could be a lot

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of things. Maybe they're waiting to
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waiting for JJ to finish up his
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that. Maybe they're waiting on Mike
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done, you know, so they
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be a host of reasons. I
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into things. That's how you end
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I understand why they did what they
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with Frank Vogel being the fall guy. I understand why they went out and

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got my blodonolsers as fast as they
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we're gonna take a quick break,
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about Paul George coming back, a
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and what we would trade or not
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And then of course there's gonna be
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coming up. All that and more
coming up. If you're listening, thanks

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Dip. We are joined by Justin
Russo or Russeau, depending on how you

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say it. Charles, did I
cut you off? He looked think you

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were about to say something. No, No, you're good. I was

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about to eat a chip. Oh
Okay, gotcha, gotcha. That was

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the hold up motion was just for
the chip. So anyways, we talked

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a little bit about the Clippers off
season so far, their rut, the

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loss of Dan Craig. Obviously,
now we're gonna talk a little bit about

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what they can do move wise,
and I guess the most reasonable place is

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is probably the I mean, the
biggest domino that's gonna fall for the Clippers

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offseason either way, which is where
does Paul George end up? I guess

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Russo I'll kick it to you.
How are you seeing it right now?

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What is the probability that Paul George
is not rostered as a Clipper on opening

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night of twenty four to twenty five. I'd put it at sixty forty returning.

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And the only reason I say,
the only reason I go that high

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is because I do think there is
some thought that they don't want to lose

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him for nothing, so to speak, without any chance of replacing him.

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What I will say is, if
you're gonna uh for anyone out there who's

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gonna mock trade PG and go on
trade machines and stuff, you have to

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remember the Clippers are over this first
apron technically they're over the second apron as

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well, but because they're over the
first apron, if they sign and trade

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Paul George, they can't take back
any salary, so that limits it.

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So basically their only avenue to really
trading Paul George if they go that route,

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is he has to opt in and
then they trade him so that he

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can sign an extension with whoever acquires
them. Obviously, if he opts in,

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most likely he's being traded and he's
being traded to wherever he wants to

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go. He would have the call
because then he's obviously able to negotiate an

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extension at that point. That's like
the Chris Paul deal going to Houston,

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right, Yeah, very much.
Actually, what I would also like in

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it too is Porzingis last year with
Washington, who opted into the last year

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of his deal, and then there
was that whole thing. But obviously the

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trade broke down between Boston and the
Clippers and Washington that three teamer, and

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then Porzingis had to negotiat an extension
with Boston by the deadline of that night,

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and he did and that's the only
reason he got traded. So justin

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how would you evaluate the season Paul
George had next to James Harden the playoff

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first round exit. Ham Ra averaged
just nineteen points against Dallas, obviously struggle

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in the second half of Game six. Just have you shifted at all with

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how you perceive him as a player
or as a clipper. I think he

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had a really good season. I
think the playoffs soured a lot of what

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he did during the season. I
think that's I think it's very fair to

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say he had a really good season. He was very efficient, he had

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a lot of great games. The
playoffs did sour a lot of people,

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and very understandably, so I think
it was the only word that I kept

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coming back to watching was it was
very disappointing because it wasn't the lack of

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scoring, just through a large portion
of it just seemed like a lack of

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will to get shots up. And
Look, I understand no one wants guys

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to go out there and just chuck
the ball up thirty times in a game

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without, you know, without them
being good shots. But it's not us.

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I mean, it's not really justifiable
for your star, your number one

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guy to go out there and take
like eleven shots in a game, right,

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Like it's it can't happen, not
in the playoffs where you're missing your

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best player. And yeah, it's
soured a lot of fans. Like I

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said, you know, justifiably,
it's soured me watching it because I don't

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I said that from that, I
know it sounds terrible. Wa. No,

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Like, I've seen what he can
do up close and personal. I

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saw it against Phoenix, I saw
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I understand that's three years ago.
A lot of stuff happens over the course

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of three years that changes who you
are as a player. He got older,

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he's you know, going on thirty
four hour is thirty four now,

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he's got a pod. Uh.
He's not the player he used to be,

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and that's okay. I think he
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the player he used to be.
And you know, go ahead, Adam,

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do you see him as a number
three now on a championship team instead

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of a number two? Yeah?
And that's not what he was brought to

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the Clippers to be. And fair
not like, it's very hard to justify

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paying a guy forty five million dollars
to start a new contract when he's the

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number three guy on your team.
It's very it's very hard to justify that,

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like, not even just from a
salary standpoint, but from a mental

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standpoint of that's not the guy,
he's not even the second guy, and

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you're paying them forty five million dollars. Like it's it's a tough thing to

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come to terms with when when roster
building, because you do have to build

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a roster around them, and you
have to hope that the guys around them

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can compliment each each other player.
But then you have a guy that's making

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that much money who isn't the best
player, second best player, and it

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affects a lot of things into how
he's used. He doesn't want to be

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a ball handler. Totally fine,
I understand, I understand. I get

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it. Hey, Haliburton couldn't dribble
against Holiday, Come on, it happens,

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right. What I will say is, and this is my biggest gripe

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with what I've seen over the years, is when Doc was here and then

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left, PG can plain that his
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Then Tye comes here and under the
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Billups runs point for them a lot
and does very well. It was the

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reason they had such a great season, or one of the major reasons they

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had such a great season was because
he was able to grow as a ball

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handler, facilitator, you know,
isolation score. And then obviously the next

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season he's hurt, Chauncey's gone,
and he just doesn't want to do it

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anymore. And could it be an
age thing. It could where like it's

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grinding You're thirty at that point,
he was thirty two years old and you're

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being asked to do everything and that
grinds you down. I completely get it.

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But then and I understand there are
different players physically, but like you

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look at Lebron and it's like skuy
At this guy at that time was like

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thirty five, thirty six years old, still doing it at a very high

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level. But you're not, and
you just thought that you can't. You

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just don't want to. And if
you don't want to do the things,

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and this is just me obviously speak
personally speaking, if you don't want to

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do the things that make you the
best player on the floor, you probably

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shouldn't be compensated as the best player
on the floor financially speaking, because that's

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how I'm thinking like will I think
like there's all this stuff about, like

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you know, Philadelphia might sign them, but if you're Philly, how do

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you pitch to everyone who's not Joel
Embiid that you're now giving this guy,

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like Russo just said the most It's
like someone coming to your job and being

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like, hey, I'm actually gonna
be called on way less than you,

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but I'm making maybe twice as much
as you are. Like that seems like

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such a difficult thing to maneuver as
a coach. I mean, the Philly

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thing is just like how you know
the free agent class isn't particularly strong,

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you know, like you're looking at
your options on the board, and I

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like, that's how you sell it
to a team, is that you know

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you're paying one hundred and what would
it be like one hundred and sixty mil

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overall? One hundred and sixty five
if he gets the four full max.

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You're paying one hundred and sixty five
to hopefully get two more years of a

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championship. We know with Joel Embiid, And that's like if everything breaks right,

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Yeah, that's what it is.
Embiid was the MVP last season.

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We only have so much time left
with him. This makes us better.

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We have a better shot to win
this season. We have to take advantage

408
00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:29,279
of this. And they haven't been
through the Paul George experience of the up

409
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:34,160
and downs and the inconsistency in his
play. They haven't experienced it because obviously

410
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:40,799
I'm guessing justin when you know his
agent and the Clippers are negotiating or in

411
00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:45,279
those talks, you know if hypothetically
they're like, well, Kawhi took this,

412
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:49,160
you take a little bit less than
this, and he comes back with

413
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:53,319
what saying, well, I can
get a max from the Philadelphia seventy six

414
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,680
ers. Do you think that's what
the agent says? Or he obviously can

415
00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:03,200
play at this high a level and
he can play like a number one some

416
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:08,240
nights, certainly like a number two
most Knights, But those inconsistencies. I'm

417
00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:14,799
just trying to think of from their
perspective, how they're coming and selling the

418
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:18,400
idea Paul George coming back in a
max contract, which if he can get

419
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,480
it, he should get it.
Get as much money as you can.

420
00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:25,640
But obviously it hasn't happened yet at
this point, and everybody in all the

421
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,640
reporting from sham Shawania recently is that
that's the stalemate right now. If the

422
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,759
Clippers gave him a max, obviously
he'd already have that sign sealed and delivered.

423
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,079
The best way I've ever had to
explain to me in terms of free

424
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:44,880
agency was by a reputable reporter who
told me, your worth is dictated by

425
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,680
what people will pay you, and
doesn't mean that's the kind of player you

426
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,440
are, just mean, that's just
what you know. Your worth is dictated

427
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:56,319
by what other teams will pay you, and if another team can match it,

428
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:59,960
is Paul Georgia max player. If
the Philadelphia seventy six ers thinks so,

429
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,799
he's going to be a max player, and that'll then force the Clippers

430
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:10,519
into deciding whether or not he is
for them. If the Clippers give him

431
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:12,599
the four years, two hundred and
twenty one million dollars that he's looking for,

432
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,839
which is the full max that he
can get from them, you know,

433
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:21,559
at the end of the day,
it doesn't preclude them from you know,

434
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,680
as harsh as it is to say, from doing to him what they

435
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,799
did to Blake Griffin, which is
traded him six months later, and you

436
00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:33,359
know it could be a thing that
they do. It's just also very hard

437
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:37,119
in their position being a second apron
team to find takers under the Apron who

438
00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:42,759
can then you know, you could
work with the whole PG. Thing comes

439
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:49,160
down to whether or not the Clippers
think it's a bluff that he will get

440
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:56,279
a max contract from elsewhere, or
if they think that home matters the most

441
00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:06,519
to him. I was told that
there was a conversation that he had with

442
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:08,839
a player on a rival team when
they were in LA, you know,

443
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:14,119
towards the back part of the season, where he said to this player that

444
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,799
you know, it's the money that
matters the most him very fair, and

445
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,799
I support that. I think.
I think in athletics you should always go

446
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,000
get the most money that you can
get. You have a finite window of

447
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:30,680
your career. You should cash in
as much as possible. If that's how

448
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,519
he and maybe dealing with the repercussions
from your playing career for long after you're

449
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:38,119
done. Yeah, we've heard Kawi
talk about how he wants to be able

450
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:42,720
to play with his kids, you
know, so if he feels he can

451
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,319
get a max contract, then he
should absolutely go for it. I think

452
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:51,880
from the Clipper standpoint, I I
think and this is just obviously this is

453
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,319
not through any source scene or anything
like that, or any intel. What

454
00:31:55,519 --> 00:32:00,720
I think they should look at it
as is the sunk fallacy, which is

455
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:07,319
you've already invested so much, how
much more should you keep investing in the

456
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:13,599
hopes that it turns around or should
you just kind of pull the parachute and

457
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:16,319
then let the chips fall as they
may. That's a harsh thing to think

458
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:21,279
of for them, specifically because they
do have the new stadium they're going into,

459
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:24,319
and that's a hard sell. It's
also a very hard sell for fans,

460
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:28,720
I think, to look at the
same team another year and just kind

461
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,680
of going to the season going,
well, what's going to happen now?

462
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:35,519
Like they're waiting. Fans are always
waiting for something bad to happen because something

463
00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:38,400
bad usually does happen, and that's
just that's just how it is. So

464
00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:45,799
I think if he commands a MAX, they probably shouldn't do it. They

465
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:47,799
still might, but it doesn't mean
they won't trade them if they give it

466
00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:53,640
to them. Say justin that he
does get the MAX from Philadelphia and leaves,

467
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,960
there's no opt in and then they
trade him, which would be very

468
00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:02,119
kind on his part to accept something
like that. He just leaves and they

469
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:08,759
do bring back James Harden depending on
what that contract is. I know that

470
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:14,880
factors in here too, But what
type of flexibility would they have if any

471
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:20,759
or you just losing Paul George and
getting absolutely nothing, no salary cap maneuvering

472
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:25,359
move with being able to just,
I don't know, bring in some younger

473
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:31,480
pieces. If he leaves for nothing, they're under the second apron by almost

474
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:37,359
two million. That's just with current
cap holds and stuff like that. Obviously,

475
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,599
if Mason doesn't come back there they
actually get under the first apron,

476
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,000
so they would have flexibility. If
PG doesn't return, it allows them to

477
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:52,160
kind of I guess reset the tack
like the apron window and stuff like that.

478
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,200
But if PG doesn't return, it
kind of it handicaps their ability to

479
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,319
compete. There's no two ways around
it. As much as he was disappointing

480
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:05,680
the postseason, you'd much rather have
him than not have anything in his place.

481
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,840
So financially speaking, they would have
some wiggle room. It wouldn't be

482
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,920
much, but they would get under
the aprons. So there's that what if

483
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,679
what's the situation? Then with like
a mid level exception, I'm gonna be

484
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:27,480
honest, I forget this new CBA
kind of whacked my mind a little bit.

485
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,760
Forget. I forget which exception they
would have. I I think they

486
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:37,760
would still be over the luxury tax. So they probably have the mini MLA

487
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:43,480
tax payer mid level. So I
don't beyond that. I mean, if

488
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,679
you if you factor in Russ leaving, and so here's the thing. If

489
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,880
PG leaves, they don't bring back
Mason, Russ ops out of his player

490
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,679
option and they wave and stretch PJ. Tucker, they would get they would

491
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:01,519
get under the luxury tax, okay, which they are conscious of. People

492
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:06,079
sometimes like to pretend that Bomber will
spend anything for this team, but he's

493
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:08,719
conscious of a luxury tax. It's
a lot of It's like two hundred million

494
00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:14,280
dollars different. I feel like Eric
Eric Gordon deal didn't come back to buy

495
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,320
them. I feel like it didn't
really didn't come back to buy them,

496
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,800
like everybody said at the time,
oh did you let this guy go?

497
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:24,320
But it was a money decision.
It was where are we at on Harden's

498
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,039
contract? What do we I saw
Lucas hansweet that I liked where he'd like

499
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:31,760
his contract to line up with Cow
e's just year wise, which I was

500
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,719
like, I like the idea of
that, just kind of give it a

501
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,119
clear set window tradable maybe because I
feel like he because might have more value

502
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:45,840
than any of the big three particular
clippers, but like three for one hundred

503
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,519
three for what what is he going
to command? One thing? Sorry,

504
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:53,079
before you give your answer, justin
one thing I just wanted to leave on

505
00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:59,320
the on the Paul George thing just
speaking of James Harden, is what player

506
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:02,920
owen? What happened with the James
Harden contract and Darryl Moore in Philadelphia is

507
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,920
willing to opt into a single last
year of a contract and then hope that

508
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,559
they're going to get the max the
next year with that organization. That that

509
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:13,880
that was just my last thing.
Sorry, you can you can jump back.

510
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,440
What do you think he's at?
Hey, James, should I do

511
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:22,679
what you did? Yeah? No, what is exactly right? Though,

512
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:29,039
Like you can't It sounds bad to
say, but you can't trust anyone at

513
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:31,760
their words when it comes to money. Yeah, you know, like you're

514
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,679
dealing with hundreds of millions of dollars
and people who want to save money.

515
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,519
You know, you can't trust anybody
in that situation. As for Harden,

516
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:45,719
though, h three years one thirty
could work. That's his first year,

517
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,519
which started forty million. The third
year would be forty six point four.

518
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:52,079
I think it would be the CAP's
gonna be crazy too at that point,

519
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:55,159
Like from what we see, Hey, it's nuts. Yeah, if you

520
00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:00,199
so. Harden's cap hold right now. I believe this forty nine point three

521
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:05,920
to five million, So he'd basically
shave nine million off of the number,

522
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,840
going like, if that's how you
that's one way to look at it.

523
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,599
Beyond that, though, I mean, it's hard to look at a hardened

524
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:16,360
deal and want to give him anything
beyond three years. Not to say like

525
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,119
he hasn't he liked, not to
say he wasn't good with the Clippers.

526
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:22,760
It's just, you know, this
is a guy who's a ton of mild

527
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,320
on his leg. Yeah, it's
even his age, Like his work level

528
00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:32,039
has been absurd for the last thirteen
fourteen years. This is a guy who

529
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:37,840
has dealt with you know, muscle
issues, hamstring issues, and you know,

530
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,239
as great as he was for the
Clippers this year, he was also

531
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,880
very healthy and you can't count on
that. I say very healthy relatively speaking,

532
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,760
obviously, he dealt with a shoulder
issue, he had a heel issue,

533
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:55,360
but you can't count on that going
forward either. What do you think

534
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,239
Russell Westbrook chooses to do. Do
you think there's a market for him him

535
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,599
if he doesn't opt in. I
think there could be. I know that's

536
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,239
crazy to some people. I think
there could be. I people love Russ.

537
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,119
He puts bots in the seats.
I think a team. I don't

538
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:14,639
know if he would go back to
Washington, but Washington could have some use

539
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:20,880
for him. Chicago potentially, any
team who has a point guard, not

540
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:27,320
vacancy, but like a use for
another point guard could always help. I

541
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,400
don't know. Well, for instance, Lawrence did say at his end of

542
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:38,400
the season presser, this is now
two weeks ago that yeah, it's been

543
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:45,199
a while, they're gonna sit down
with Russ's representatives and kind of talk over

544
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,679
what the role would be for next
season and kind of talk over things.

545
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:52,880
Which Russ has a player option,
as we all know, so it's his

546
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:57,719
call. My reading between the lines, and this could be wrong, but

547
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,760
my reading between the lines of that
was we're gonna approach Russ with a role

548
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:08,440
that he might not like and see
what happens and just go from there.

549
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,719
I'm of the belief that, you
know, as good as Russ was at

550
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,639
times, I also think they need
to just see what they have in Bones.

551
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:22,320
I think they don't know what they
have, and he's going into a

552
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,159
restricted free agency season. You know, he's gonna be a restricted free agent

553
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,119
after next season, so they need
to know what they have in him and

554
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:34,280
whether or not they should pay him
and kind of just figure it out from

555
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,559
there. Adam was so grateful that
you brought up Bones. I don't think

556
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:40,320
he's ever said thank you like that
on the pot before I know what they

557
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,039
have, I know what they have
the skeleton key, And then really quick

558
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:50,679
before we kind of get to some
draft stuff, there are some people who

559
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,800
want to like really swing for the
fences and like involve the twenty thirty pick

560
00:39:55,039 --> 00:40:00,280
in some kind of transaction for the
Clippers. I just Robin will start with

561
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,760
you, Russo, is that even
on the radar? Do you think that's

562
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,800
even on the radar of the Clippers? And is there anything you would trade

563
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,840
the twenty thirty first round pick for? Oh? I start at the second

564
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,639
part first, I don't know what
I would trade it for. To be

565
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:15,840
honest with you, I'd have to
like actually see it, you know what

566
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,239
I mean. It's like one of
those things because they're their ability to make

567
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,920
moves is so limited because of the
apron where they can't they can't take back

568
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,840
any more money than they send.
They can't aggregate contracts out. So it's

569
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,119
like if you trade PJ. Tucker, who's like eleven points, I have

570
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:36,920
it here, hold on eleven point
five to four million. You can't take

571
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,199
back any more than that. And
what tattooed on him? Man, Yeah,

572
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:45,280
I have I have his wave and
stretch right here. I mean stretches

573
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:51,239
like this. I wrote about that
in a column a week or so ago,

574
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,599
which is that that's one viable I
know it's not a sexy thing,

575
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:59,639
but it saves them close to eight
million dollars this season, and in tax

576
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:02,440
saving that's a large that's a large
amount of money. I don't know what

577
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,480
a first round pick does for them
in a deal. What I will say,

578
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:09,440
though, and this is going to
the first part, is they should

579
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:15,199
have it on the table. Now. It depends on what move that that

580
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:21,159
gets you, is the only reason
I would say. It depends on like

581
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:23,320
it depends on what it would get
you as whether or not it should be

582
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:28,679
on the table. Fully, what
I will say also is because of the

583
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:31,079
way the new second apron is,
and because the draft picks being locked in,

584
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,760
it's technically the last pick they will
have to trade for a very long

585
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:42,480
time because if they're over the second
apron for a number of years, their

586
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,760
draft pick gets locked and they're not
able to trade it. So twenty they

587
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,960
can trade, twenty thirty, they
can pick swap twenty thirty one, and

588
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,400
that's what they can do right now
on draft night. I wouldn't rule anything

589
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,000
out of the realm of possibility.
I'm just kind of also at the point

590
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:01,960
where it's like how many drop picks
can you keep trading? How to try

591
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,559
to fix the problem that you created? That's kind of where I'm at.

592
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:12,119
Will. Where are you on the
twenty thirty Yeah, I mean I agree

593
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:15,079
with Ruso, and it's just it
depends on what it's going to look like.

594
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:20,440
Like is this assuming this is a
trade that's still happening with everyone running

595
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:23,400
back as we expect, because then
there's not really a whole lot to do.

596
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:30,960
Yeah, It's like, I mean, after he signs a big deal,

597
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,920
you're like Okay, well that feels
really bad too. Yeah, I

598
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,000
don't know how that would work.
I mean, if you could do anything

599
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:40,599
to get younger, like if you
could get a Brandon Ingram or a de

600
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:46,960
Jonte Murray and keep two of the
three. I don't know how contractually that

601
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:52,760
would work out, but if you
could get younger, I guess. I

602
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,320
mean. But the thing is is
if you either any move that you make

603
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,760
with that twenty thirty, you need
to be relatively assured that that is going

604
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:06,719
to be a number one or number
two player on your team after the Paul

605
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:12,039
George and James Hardenears are over and
Ingram is twenty six, so like you

606
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:16,639
know, he's in that definitely like
in that age range. And Murray is

607
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:27,880
what twenty four something like that,
so it's like a possibility. The thing

608
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,199
that's difficult, I feel like for
LA to balance is, you know,

609
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:35,159
yes, it would be great to
have that pick come to fruition and like

610
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:40,000
have it be a high pick.
But let's say the I don't want to

611
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,440
say it's the worst case scenario because
it's not talent wise, but I think

612
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,360
it is for the fans, like
worst case scenario, they run everything back,

613
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:50,000
they remain status quo this year.
I don't care. You know,

614
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,280
I know we've talked a lot about
how Steve Bomber wants, you know,

615
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,880
stars and butts in seats. How
many butts are coming into seats to see

616
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,440
the exact same thing. Like,
I'm just I'm not really seeing it.

617
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:04,719
And if the same thing happens in
the in the postseason, you know your

618
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,519
next year is even lower. How
can you justify continuing to raise these season

619
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:13,760
ticket holder prices? So I'm saying
that they don't have a lot of time

620
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,159
to wait, okay, and so
you're gonna wait. You know, you're

621
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:21,039
gonna wait through this while your audience
numbers are dwindling, and then you're gonna

622
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:23,480
hope that you're shitting enough for a
season to get a high pick in twenty

623
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:27,400
thirty. And I gotta be honest
with you, man, the stadium is

624
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,960
opened by it for seven years at
that point, and there's not a draw,

625
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:34,000
Like, I just don't see that
working. I don't see that happening,

626
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:37,280
And I'm not eager to give up
twenty thirty. It sounds terrifying.

627
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,880
The team could be absolute garbage by
then, But I think if you can

628
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:45,360
make a move where you get younger, you know that might be your way

629
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,039
forward, right like, that might
be your mid path forward. And I'm

630
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:52,239
not saying it would extend a championship
wind. I think we're beyond that point,

631
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:55,119
to be perfectly honest, But I
do think that it can create enough

632
00:44:55,159 --> 00:45:04,280
excitement and competitive nature that it does
make the team interesting. I think the

633
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,079
name you brought up there, I
brought him up on the last show.

634
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,920
We didn't really get into it,
but Brandon Ingram is an interesting name because

635
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:15,400
it sounds like we've talked about souring
a lot. The New Orleans Pelicans have

636
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,480
soured on him, but he will
be an unrestricted free agent after this season,

637
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:22,320
so you trade that pick for him, you better make sure you're able

638
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:28,440
to bring him back. Hopefully he's
back in Los Angeles. That's enough for

639
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:30,800
him. There's potential with this team, and he would want to stay.

640
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:37,000
I do think somebody of that ilk
you brought up to Jontay Murray, to

641
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:40,719
somebody that's a younger guy that may
not be a number one on a championship

642
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,239
team, but that could grow into
a number two possibly, And I think

643
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,199
Brandon Ingram could be that guy.
He's looked like it at times, he's

644
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:52,440
been a special and you know all
the pressure that was on him coming into

645
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,440
the league and them comparing him to
Kevin Durant, Well, I don't know,

646
00:45:55,559 --> 00:46:00,400
he's like sixty percent of the way. That's an allSome star. He

647
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:07,280
has made an all star came before. So I think you if you bring

648
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:13,280
back everybody and you're saying, we're
trading the twenty thirty to go all in

649
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,599
once again, to double down or
triple down or quadruple down, whatever it

650
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:24,039
is that five times down? Yeah, yeah? Is that appealing to people?

651
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:29,400
You're trading it to try to extend
this window and bring in somebody that

652
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:32,920
makes you so good, that makes
you so injury proof or has you know

653
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:38,039
you have even more injury insurance?
Injury insurance I would do in a heartbeat.

654
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:42,599
Can we trade first round picks for
injury insurance to ensure that no one

655
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:46,559
gets hurt? Have they thought of
that? I'm sure the mutual of Obaha's

656
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:54,320
on the line. Justin you brought
up earlier about the potential of re signing

657
00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:00,079
Paul George or Harden or one of
these guys and then trading them later on

658
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:07,079
on. Is Kawhi Leonard a possibility
there, or is his contract and his

659
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:12,039
injury history now completely taking him out
of a situation where he could be the

660
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,920
guy that gets moved for a team
that believes, okay, we can we

661
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:19,800
can get over the top if we
bring in Kawhi Leonard and have a little

662
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,199
bit of luck. Now I'm not
saying I want this by any means,

663
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:30,360
but just throwing out hypotheticals. What
I will say is the timing of Kawhi

664
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,559
Leonard signing his extension was not lost
on a select handful of people when they

665
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,280
found out about it. And uh, he will be trade eligible in the

666
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:43,360
beginning of July if they choose to
go that route. So, hmmm,

667
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:46,960
have you heard anything regarding the swelling
in his right knee? I have not.

668
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:51,400
No. Are we just going to
find out Ifho's playing for Team USA

669
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:52,920
or not. We're gonna find that
out. We're gonna get a tweet saying

670
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,239
he had a little scope a rooney
and everything was okay. Is what I

671
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,559
feel like, is gonna ruddy joke? Is We're gonna I'm gonna get an

672
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:06,039
email and a couple of weeks fight
it out that he was out for Team

673
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,840
USA because he had a procedure three
weeks ago, and no one knew.

674
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:13,719
So, as Chuck said, like, we don't, no one knows.

675
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,320
I don't know. I'm supposed to
be going to t USA this summer.

676
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:25,159
So nice, Oh Russeo in France, huh okay, yeah, like damn,

677
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:29,360
that's sick as hell. Actually I
will go to Paris. It's just

678
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:34,960
in Vegas. So all right,
coming up, we're gonna do another quick

679
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,440
little break. That's very interesting about
that Kwi Leonard contract timeline and trade eligibility.

680
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:45,079
What was it July eighth, July
eighth, market on your calendars.

681
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:49,039
I guess we're gonna be talking some
draft talk and then the most important part

682
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:52,280
of the show that everyone across the
world. As Will brought up earlier,

683
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:57,239
it seems to love some diptok.
So there's some audio breaks coming up in

684
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,760
three two one. Welcome back in
the Clips and Dip Episode seventy five of

685
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,280
season two, I'm at a Moslin. We got Chuck Mockler, Will Updyke,

686
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,559
and the great Justin Rousseau, who
will be going to Paris, not

687
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:17,280
France for the Olympics, is joining
us here. Justin you wrote a beautiful

688
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:23,280
piece recently about this do you have
any ideas of what the Clippers could be

689
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,639
doing come the draft, which seems
to be the most mediocre draft in the

690
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:31,880
history of the NBA according to all
the experts in Jay billis that's what everyone

691
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,719
says. And then usually every draft
has three guys and everyone's like, how

692
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,880
did everyone pass on this guy?
It's like, well, because everyone said

693
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:45,559
the draft sucked. That's how to
figure out who they might be interested in.

694
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:50,000
You have to look at their draft
history, and their draft history tells

695
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:52,880
me that there's no running formula that
has been stuck two year after year.

696
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:57,800
Last year they took two guys who
were two of the oldest players in the

697
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,559
draft, but they were good athletes, were just oldest players in the draft.

698
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:07,000
The year before that, h twenty
twenty two they take Musa who is

699
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:12,599
raw, great athlete but raw.
Twenty twenty one they take Kean Johnson,

700
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,760
great athlete, but raw. But
you know, then you start going back

701
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,559
years and years and it's like they're
taking guys in the first round who were

702
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:24,039
three and four year college players who
don't really pan out. There's there's no

703
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,960
rhyme or reason that you can kind
of like like, you can't narrow down

704
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,000
a specific draft formula, so to
speak, like it's a moving target.

705
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:36,039
Yeah, and you know, I
mean it happens. You know, none

706
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:37,599
of the picks are really high,
so you know, it gets tough to

707
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:45,519
good middle class at forty six.
That's what they've said. But uh,

708
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:47,760
you know, I don't I don't
know who they might look at. I

709
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,239
have a list of guys going in
that I think they probably should look at.

710
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:55,599
I felt the same way last year
and the year before, because like

711
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:59,559
you know, i'd look at draft
stuff. Uh. You know, this

712
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:01,519
year I wrote about five guys.
I named seven, but I really wrote

713
00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:06,000
about five. One of them was
a den Bona from a U c.

714
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:08,199
L A, a very athletic center. He's a little bit undersize, but

715
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,360
he's got a large wingspan. It's
close to a seven to four wingspan,

716
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:17,880
A real around the rim guy,
shot blocker. There's a kid out of

717
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:25,679
Marquette, also, a Degaharo,
who is an athletic forward who basically plays

718
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,480
center, kind of like he's just
he has a center's game. He does

719
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:32,679
not shoot outside of the paint.
He has a nice little floater game.

720
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,760
He's a good defender. Not a
long wingspan, but a very impactful defender

721
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:42,920
from what I've seen. Alex Caravan
of Connecticut, two time national champion,

722
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:47,639
really good shooter, only takes threes
and only takes layups. The kind of

723
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:54,599
guy that Darrel Morey probably dreams about
him. Jamal s Shed out of Houston

724
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:58,800
defensive guard. And then I wrote
about Brownie James because I do think that

725
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:04,719
he's intriguing and I know everyone right
the crazy I want to hear your opinion

726
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,199
on him. Look, I know
everyone I know people have very strong feelings

727
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:15,000
about him, mostly because of who
his dad is. I look at it

728
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:20,119
as here's a guy who when he
came out of high school wasn't the tippy

729
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:23,559
top recruit, but he's a hard
worker. Kid had cardiac arrest and still

730
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:29,039
played basketball several months later. Tells
you what kind of drive that kid has.

731
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,679
Very good defender, good ball,
mover jump shot is in progress,

732
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,559
but based on the film that that
that's come out, it looks like he's

733
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:42,000
made progress on the jumper. You
know. Look, he's the I don't

734
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,239
want to parse over it too much, but it's the son of Lebron James.

735
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:45,880
I think Lebron James's kid would probably
know how to play basketball to sud

736
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:51,000
degree, so kind of helps to
that, you know, stance. But

737
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,159
I think there are players in the
draft that can help them. The number

738
00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:59,800
one rule that I have in drafts
though, and it sounds very stupid when

739
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:00,880
you say out loud, but it
makes a lot of sense when you think

740
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:07,440
about it, is can this guy
play basketball? Seems important? I think

741
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,679
that's totally fair. Seems important.
But a lot of guys look like they

742
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:14,039
can play basketball. Only a few
can play basketball, and they have to

743
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:15,760
go into the draft and get guys
who can actually play basketball, whether that's

744
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,880
this coming season or down the line. Does this go back to athlete versus

745
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,559
guy who just knows the game more
stinctually. Yeah. I mean, you

746
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:30,719
know what's funny is I had a
conversation about that with James Harden this year,

747
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,039
and there was someone else that I
had a conversation with, Oh,

748
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:36,599
Tyrese Haliburton. When the Pacers came
in. We were talking about it.

749
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:37,760
I said, do you think I
asked Tyres, I said, do you

750
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,719
think people get focused in draft models
and look at the draft as you know,

751
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:45,559
this guy's not a great athlete,
or this guy doesn't do this well,

752
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:49,840
this well, he's like, yeah, some guys are just basketball players.

753
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,679
You can't really put into context how
well they played basketball just because of

754
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:58,920
how high they jump or how fast
they run. Like he said, a

755
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,679
lot of players are a lot better
between the ears than they are on the

756
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,480
court. He goes, but you
need to find the guys that can do

757
00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:07,559
both at a respectable level. So
that's kind of how I look at it.

758
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,760
If the Clippers do find someone at
forty six who is at a respectable

759
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,159
level of between the ears and on
the court, what does their future even

760
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:21,320
really look like with this team,
because that's been a difficult We've talked about

761
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,440
this window. Right, We're an
old team. I would love to find

762
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:30,280
someone who could play functional minutes for
this team next year from the bench.

763
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,199
Because I call me negative or whatever, I don't see us drafting a starting

764
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,760
caliber guy at forty six. But
like, there's still kind of this weird

765
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:44,760
log jam of got older guys to
get passed. So I'm maybe I'm just

766
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,280
too nihilistic about it, but I'm
like, I don't think it matters who

767
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:52,079
they draft because I don't think this
person, through not mostly not through fault

768
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:59,000
of their own, will be given
a shot in two seasons or even anything.

769
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:02,719
I think the thing for people to
also remember is second round picks.

770
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:07,000
I know some of them hit really
high and play really well and have really

771
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:09,440
long careers. The hit rate on
mid to low second round picks is pretty

772
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:14,280
low, right, and like you
have to genuinely get lucky. I know

773
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,679
a lot of people point out,
oh, well, Manu Ginobili was the

774
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,639
fifty something pick, like obviously he
paid well. It's like, yeah,

775
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,559
the reason you remember was the fifty
first pick is because he did pan out.

776
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,239
You don't remember everyone else who didn't. So you know, Terrence man

777
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,039
panned out very well for his draft
position. I think, you know,

778
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:31,360
that's a home run for the Clippers
in a lot of sense. The other

779
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,800
thing I will mention, actually,
and I know this is going to be

780
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,440
a killer for a lot of people
who are hoping for an actual rotation player.

781
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:43,199
The Clippers have two free two way
spots that'll be freed up this summer,

782
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,159
and I don't think it's out of
the rum of possibility. Whoever they

783
00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:50,639
pick at forty six is a little
bit off the board because they're probably going

784
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:52,360
to try to give him a two
way deal. I just think that I

785
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:59,079
think people need to prepare themselves for
that possibility. What about the possibility of

786
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:05,760
Kayi Jones turning into a superstar that
has a possibility of happening to Thank you

787
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:14,800
anything, Adams getting everything he wants
this episode? Yeah anything? All right,

788
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,599
we are getting into the most important
part of the new season of the

789
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:25,079
show, which is the dips.
Justin Russeo, you are our first guest

790
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:30,719
on the dip. Eric, you
did not bring a dip, which is

791
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,679
I have a suggestion? Okay,
we'll do should we do? Suggestion?

792
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:42,360
Will should we talk about this person
who talks ship on us? Or uh

793
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,960
yeah, Let's let's open with the
comments and then get a nice suggestion.

794
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:52,039
We had a pretty funny take from
Luca e on Twitter. Let me pull

795
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:57,760
this up. He is a German
basketball fan. He said the Clippers are

796
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,079
so cooked that fan podcasts will now
record dip reviews. Well, we,

797
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,639
first of all, Luca, thank
you for following and watching the pod.

798
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:12,440
The public demanded the dip reviews.
We've been ostracized for not having actual dip

799
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:16,760
on the show for months now,
and we we caved. We caved to

800
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:22,880
the public. This guy's eclipse and
dip casual clearly because We've been talking about

801
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,840
it for a long time and look, he only got twelve hundred views on

802
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,719
that. Like, hope it worked
out. Hope you got the attention you

803
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:34,159
were looking for, Buddy, I
just Daniel te, I just go.

804
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,519
The German word for cooked is cooked. They're not a very creative people.

805
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:46,159
I'm just just saying, I don't
know, okay, justin what is your

806
00:57:46,239 --> 00:57:51,159
dip suggestion? And then I guess
you could maybe judge our dips because you're

807
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:55,000
the guest the scale as would you
bring them to a barbecue? But first

808
00:57:55,039 --> 00:58:00,960
your suggestion the floor is yours.
Buffalo chicken dip. I've made it before.

809
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:06,480
It's incredible, and you could even
do it in like your instapot or

810
00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:10,639
your or your slow cooker, so
it's even It's great. You get a

811
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:14,760
little shud of chicken, little buffalo
wing sauce. You can add some cream

812
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,599
cheese to it. It's incredible.
It's like a whole meal, a whole

813
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:22,679
meal and dip. Hey listen,
I'm a fat guy. I've had whole

814
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:25,679
meals of dip, okay, and
it suited me very well. All right,

815
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,239
will yours is the freshest dip,
so I think you Yeah, well,

816
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:35,159
god damn it, I did a
buffalo chicken dip. So yeah,

817
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:39,119
mine is a Mine is a no
cook dip. But I used uh some

818
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:45,840
lovely Lucerne whipped jalapeno cream cheese support
California Dairy Farms. I used some blue

819
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:52,599
cheese crumbles a whole container and uh, a healthy dow scene of Frank's red

820
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:55,159
Hot along with some shreded chicken.
Uh. And I've been eating it all

821
00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:59,800
show. It's great. What have
you been eating it with? Oh?

822
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:04,559
So Cellary got it? Okay,
that sounds phenomenal. Do you know that

823
00:59:04,639 --> 00:59:07,760
a mere coffee has an entire thing
of Frank's red Hot in his locker?

824
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:13,400
How big is it? It's the
jumbo size? All right, so we

825
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:21,239
have for years. All right,
Adam your dip and chip combo and sticking

826
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:27,119
with the ketto theme, he has
celery. I have Helo Life chips,

827
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:32,840
which have like more protein to carb
ratio. I guess they're actually really good

828
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:37,679
nacho cheese. They're almond flour tortilla
style chips. So that this is like

829
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:42,480
a Tom Brady thing, you know
that he'd be, But they're actually very

830
00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:52,559
flavorful, and those ships prevent concussions
not roasts. I bought this and I

831
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:54,559
was in a bit of a pinch, so I didn't go too deep with

832
00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:59,039
it. I didn't have time for
Trader Joe's and to battle through their parking

833
00:59:59,079 --> 01:00:06,360
lot and to brave the crowds,
so I just went with tostitos avocado salsa.

834
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,519
It's not guacamole. It's avocado salsa, so it's like weather guacamole.

835
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:20,320
That's right. It's a thinner concoction. Although although oh this looks so dicey,

836
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,920
wow too? Could you drink it? You tossed some ice in there,

837
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:31,000
you got a slush? All right? That seems sound like Carl Weatherson

838
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:38,360
season two arrested development their rip.
All right? I went with Last week,

839
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:44,719
my dip was horrible. I did
the it was Dorito's Hoolopano ranch dip.

840
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:52,119
I did Freedo's hot bean dip with
holopagno phenomenal, phenomenal dip, and

841
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:53,760
I paired it. I like that. You guys are keto and I'm doing

842
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:58,639
mine. And I paired it with
some hot and spicy teacher own ace,

843
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:02,960
which that part is Keito, thank
you. I think the Freedo hot bean

844
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:07,079
dip with kolopano is keto too.
Actually, I'll call it absolutely not,

845
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:13,760
but I'll call them yeah. Uh. The the texture of the baconets with

846
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:19,480
the bean dip is great. I'm
all for it now, justin you are

847
01:01:19,519 --> 01:01:21,800
on the hot seat. Hey,
we got a dog on the cam.

848
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,480
What's up? You are on the
hot seat? Which of these dips would

849
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,880
you take to a barbecue? I'm
sorry, I gotta go with Will's.

850
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:35,400
That's a bibe. It's a great
big that's a ringer. He knew exactly

851
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,559
what dip you want, because listen, if you add a little bit of

852
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:42,599
barbecue sauce to that, it takes
it to another level. And I feel

853
01:01:42,599 --> 01:01:45,519
like people would just flock over over
the entire bowl for the entire they would

854
01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:50,960
they would be I've never seen anyone
really turn down a buffalo like chicken dip.

855
01:01:51,719 --> 01:01:53,800
You can't because there's something in the
back of your brain that just tells

856
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,519
you he has everything you need.
It's got dairy, it's got protein.

857
01:01:58,039 --> 01:02:02,599
Yeah, it's got a whole yeah
exactly. See, Well that ends another

858
01:02:02,719 --> 01:02:07,840
food rectangle, Charles. Yeah,
it's one square of hot dogs, one

859
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:14,280
square of bagel sandwiches. I'm gonna
miss the I'm gonna miss the Crypto dot

860
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,599
com arena hot dogs. By the
way, don't even get me started.

861
01:02:16,639 --> 01:02:20,559
I had a chili dog before pretty
much every single game. Plus do you

862
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:22,480
have you have you gotten any info
on what the food is gonna be?

863
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:24,840
Like? Into it in the media
room? Will they have hot dogs?

864
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,719
I have no idea, to be
honest with you, what are you gonna

865
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,199
hold this organization accountable? Justin when
are you to grab them by the collar

866
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,519
and say where are the hot dogs? Listen? I have someone tell me

867
01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:42,000
the other day I'm too negative,
which I haven't heard in a very long

868
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,519
time. I would not describe you
as a negative person. I'm I like

869
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:50,079
to genuinely think. I kind of
keep it pretty level for the most part,

870
01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:52,920
except when Chuck asked me before games, how I think is gonna go?

871
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:57,079
And I say they're gonna lose.
Yeah, I mean, isn't your

872
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:02,119
ex picture just you like this?
Oh God, it happening again. I

873
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:07,360
will describe that picture for the reason
that it was taken because I by that

874
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:13,760
time had been in Vegas for five
straight days of NonStop Summer League basketball and

875
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,719
I was ready to just die.
It was the last day and I was

876
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,320
ready. I had to get ready
to drive all the way home and I

877
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,440
was ready to just leave. I
was done. Was it after a Jason

878
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:27,400
Preston turnover or something like that?
Or uh no, I want to was

879
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,480
that the game? I think that
picture might have been from the game that

880
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:35,719
Kenny Lofton Jr. Oh was going
off and I was just so tired,

881
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,760
tired of Kenny makes sense? Well, justin thank you so much for joining

882
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,480
us. It was fantastic. It's
always great to talk Clippers and just basketball

883
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:50,840
in general with you. Please plug
all of your stuff. If you want

884
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,320
to follow me on Twitter, it's
at fly by Night fl y b y

885
01:03:53,519 --> 01:03:57,119
k N I p E. If
you want to follow my work, it's

886
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,719
justin Russo dot substack dot com and
you can find what I write there.

887
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,920
I'll slowed a little bit down for
the off season, mostly because there's not

888
01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:06,320
a lot of stuff to write about. I'm trying to do at least one

889
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:11,199
thing a week right now. I
will warn people you'll probably see me to

890
01:04:11,199 --> 01:04:15,400
start writing some stuff about soccer when
there's nothing happening. I'm sorry, it's

891
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,840
just my Yeah, Russo calls it
soccer. That's crazy. People might find

892
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:24,719
this weird to know. I enjoy
watching soccer than I more than I enjoy

893
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:29,679
watching basketball, so terrifying. Yeah, it's pretty bad, mostly because games

894
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,400
end in two hours and I can
just have a nice day and they start

895
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,800
on time. You start exactly what
they say the start. Well, thank

896
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:39,400
you again, it's been wonderful.
Yeah, subscribe to his substack. It'll

897
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,800
make you a better Clippers fan.
It will make you a better basketball fan.

898
01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:45,960
We're going to be back next week. Will Where can these wonderful people

899
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:49,559
find spots to perhaps review us or
consume our content? Yeah, so the

900
01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:51,920
best place to check us out is
over on YouTube. That's YouTube dot com

901
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:57,199
slash at Clippers podcast. If you're
interested in only the audio version, you

902
01:04:57,199 --> 01:05:00,000
can do that wherever you get your
podcast. If you're listening over on Spotify

903
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,880
or Apple podcasts, go ahead,
leave us written interview. We'd really appreciate

904
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:08,760
it. We absolutely would. And
Adam, you have the hardest part of

905
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,039
the off season. We need one
positive thing to send these Clippers fans with

906
01:05:13,079 --> 01:05:15,079
for the rest of their week.
I need some help from Russeau. I

907
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:18,159
need them to put on the terminator
glasses. I need that before we get

908
01:05:18,199 --> 01:05:24,960
out of here. Come on,
justin nearby just to say I'll be back,

909
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:30,760
Say I'll be back, I'll be
I can also point out how Justin

910
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:38,519
Russo brought up that Kawhi Leonard nugget
about him being tradable in July. Not

911
01:05:38,639 --> 01:05:43,039
that any of us are rooting for
that, but it's just an interesting I

912
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:48,039
guess, so what a badass.
For those of you who don't know,

913
01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:51,760
Justin has had to wear these in
front of Tyloo because he forgot his prescription

914
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:57,440
glasses. We need one quick positive
thing, Rousseau and the terminator glasses.

915
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:04,639
About the Clippers, yes, I
genuinely think that next year they will be

916
01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:11,280
better from an actual play standpoint,
even if PG returns, just because I

917
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:17,119
do think an offseason together matters,
and I think that they got bogged down

918
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:21,280
a lot on offense just because guys
were still trying to learn how to play

919
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:25,199
without Kawhi, because you remember,
they didn't really play without Kawhi that much

920
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:30,079
with James so kind I kind of
think they will be better next year if

921
01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:33,480
everyone's back and everyone's healthy. I
know, if I say if everyone's healthy,

922
01:06:33,679 --> 01:06:36,719
that probably just means no one will
be healthy, but I gotta keep

923
01:06:36,719 --> 01:06:40,159
it positive. I think they'll be
a lot healthier, though, So there's

924
01:06:40,199 --> 01:06:44,000
that. What's twenty six and five
if you extrapolated over eighty two games?

925
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,039
Is that? Like, don't I
don't know. Is that seventy and twelve?

926
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:50,119
Is that what? Let me say
twenty six and five? Okay,

927
01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:56,360
sure, it's definitely not. It's
sixty nine. It's sixty nine wins.

928
01:06:56,559 --> 01:07:02,039
Oh, what's up? We'll take
it. No one last party thought,

929
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:06,159
though, I will say this,
if fans feel like they were disappointing throughout

930
01:07:06,159 --> 01:07:12,880
the season, it's perfectly justifiable.
There was a lot of disappointing parts,

931
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,639
obviously, beyond just the twenty six
and five there was everything after that was

932
01:07:16,679 --> 01:07:19,920
pretty disappointing for the most part.
But there was also a lot of cool

933
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:24,480
stuff that happened. I think we
generally only think about the negative sometimes when

934
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,159
a season ends, but there's a
lot of cool stuff that happened, and

935
01:07:27,199 --> 01:07:30,400
I kind of just don't think it
should all be brushed aside as like a

936
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:34,559
lost season because they didn't do anything
else. I know it's hard, but

937
01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:38,280
you also have to look at the
bright side sometimes, even if you do

938
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,920
want to be negative. At times, it's tough to live in a world

939
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,480
where it's all or nothing. With
your teams, you know it's either championship

940
01:07:46,639 --> 01:07:51,599
or bust. And while I agree
they had championship expectations and they came up

941
01:07:51,679 --> 01:07:58,199
short, there's still have to be
moments and highlights during the regular season,

942
01:07:58,199 --> 01:08:01,800
and that's why you should celebrate those
big victories here and there, because you

943
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,360
don't know who's gonna end up with
the pot of goal at the end of

944
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:09,000
the rainbow with this team, with
any team, you go into a season

945
01:08:09,079 --> 01:08:12,800
and you say, you know what, I'm betting against all thirty NBA teams

946
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,159
to win the championship, You're only
gonna be wrong once one time. You're

947
01:08:15,199 --> 01:08:18,359
only gonna be wrong once. It's
hard, man. The Denver Nuggets just

948
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:25,079
got bouncing around two. I mean
yeah, and their best moment of the

949
01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:27,479
season might have been a moment that
I left a halftime by the way,

950
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,119
So let's just keep that in about
it. I might have been the problem.

951
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,520
We'll end on that justin I might
have been the problem. Russo thank

952
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,239
you for joining us. We'll see
y'all next week. We hope you have

953
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:39,760
a great rest of you to night, and as always, let's go click