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Even more difficult, and taking that
you are you will hardly see you taking

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tis for me any wrong. And
this thing continue to get worse and we

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are lost surviving, We are not
living. So it's continued to there was

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for me. Did you strictly divide
our adage into two for your political reason

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where you hear one bag of analyzata, But for industrialization and full sur stannability,

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we need, Oh, look a
government mini more. In fact,

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look at government that's your brandaries doing
together clean twenty thousands of acres of land

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found mechanization company twenty years, ten
years, No, and allow individuals to

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come and invest. True, but
you have to practicalize this. We have

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better at this as about twenty thousand
nas level that they are using this for

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nothing. And we turned to our
farmland and its farmlands and now even didn't

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come to real estates. Then most
time, I wonder will have an arrible

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land to little farmer. Look at
were first problem and get the problem is

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plenty, my friend, on the
chances last the problem we started with planting

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tomato in the home. Now we've
come to this is the problem is plenty.

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And you know the funny thing mirror
realize Indian American she owns to matter.

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When everybody shouting and tomato prices is
because of this, I said,

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the singer has nothing to do to
you. People are shouting. Yeah,

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we are the pig in l of
tomato sacity, the cause you cannot plants

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tomato and need to jam properly.
When we have raised it's always tried during

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dry season. Now we do not
have irrigation to serve that purpose, and

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our population continue to grow and we
need food. And that is why one

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thing, this one basic people that
would never have failed is the principle of

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the apply and demand every other thing, no matter how you call yourself and

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even where you're judging from it there
where it is not my basic business principle

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to drive work like yeah, because
a lot of factors artificially induced all humanity

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induce. So the only one I
will never feel you is that basic principle.

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Can watch in the next month prize
of Maze. I'm telling you for

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the five prize of Mace drop back. We go back to Iran four hundred

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five thousand, and as I speak
with you is around one year or eight

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hundred thousand. If I'm not Miakad. Why because you won't we produced last

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year. I'm not enough, so
said a lot of competition, and about

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this government contribute to this market because
when they wanted to do and why do

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they balanced or something there went to
the same market and think the people are

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you go to mop up all those
gras padia and everything as times to put

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in it only the name of palating
on this we do not have enough.

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Let me so let them just say
this right mirror. The lady has feel

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about tomato. Just was saying that
the issue with tomato has nothing to do

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with bandits. She said that every
year tomato is always first and this sently

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said that the problem is not that
because of rena season and that this hasn't

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happening and we haven't solved it.
So we are talking, okay talking imagine,

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come I give us the clear bomb. You said, I mean,

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what is going on? Guys,
I don't know. I mean it was

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spent three I was here three hours
here and we've talked this space space something

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and now you see for some time
I've said I'm not discussing. After call

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you, I said, I'm not
discussing anything because unfortunately at them of yes,

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there was called people are I don't
know what to call them. Man,

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I'm getting very emotion right now to
have made place hold on then.

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That is what I made this strge
to say that we have yet were talking.

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We can't talk to you typing,
don't com I will not give you

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an example. You know. When
the three advision started laughing, I said,

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you know what, I am going
to be married Jim the agricultural development.

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I want to like on my own
without paying me a time. I

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want to undo their Twitter account and
what I want to do with the account

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is to be able to pass the
right information because it is duma. Can

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do know what I put nobody restart
to me, I said, I WoT

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no comple not nothing. Whatever information
that is get into the police, I

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will be passing, make it engaging
past the right information. The new the

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essay to the Minister in media she's
a real estate developer in a bun and

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then she posted something like like what
are you saying? What is this?

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You know? How can you ask
me from my village in the warshow state?

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So apply for one part of fertilizer
and cot my drop application a good

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if it if it's somebody like me, I will will be ashamed to pose

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that kind of information. So we
cannot cover the continent to complain. Complain,

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but this will will continue to do
what I want to do. So

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it's closed. So so what I'm
hearing now is that this one is general

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issue. When I school or say
it's not on the issue, per see,

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it's not only problem this journal.
It will probably sell back to the

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net, which is what you mentioned. Jam back to the additional point of

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mechanizational irrigation polizer not from boats.
That's what we're talking that when we're back

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now. Is that where we are
now? You know you think there is

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Since this germal issue started almost four
or five days ago the minis of the

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culture, nobody has come out to
talk about it. Nobody has come to

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you won't pu some of the challenges
and of the concerns. But it's not

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good about people that I'm being paid, you know, because I'm an estation

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agent. My job, like my
devout, my job is to you know,

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educate people and as I say,
like the bad things that you are

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being paid. No, it just
pains me, you know when the people

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who are not and I'll just put
that business. Nobody has to see,

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Oh we want to organize this session. The National Reactation Agency that as opposed

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to give it the rights and information? Who else they quench any conver con

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terms or misinformation. Nobody is saying
anything. Just like the guy online that

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his own line to the four seven
posting quote unquote nonsense. I don't think

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she was about agriculture. What does
he do now? She's was there,

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but she's in agency. So what
does you know? Somebody take me out?

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What does he do? But it's
not funny though, It's not funny

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because that's reset, that's recept.
The room in Nigeria has a food problem,

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not any inflation prop If you solve
food, you have solved infleation.

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If you solve infleation, you have
sold the NYRA you have sought. For

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employment, you have sought GDP.
The most important ministry in Nigeria is whoever

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is coordinating the production and distribution of
food. There is not being the share.

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I know economics, and I'm telling
you go matrotter feed. I've been

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quoting it four years now. Food
impart the import of food. Bring it

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in, let prices go down.
What you do later I don't know,

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but for now you are suffering because
of lack of food Nbas just pisted right

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now, literally right now, Nigeria
blue fatistics. The price of grain in

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Nigeria went up of rice one eighty
nine percent. This is the official nine.

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The appd price of local rice loose, so that one nine from a

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year ago one eighty nine. So
if farmer has said the price of rice

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go off, but we have right, we have the largest rice mills.

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See the largest pass in Africa one
two and threes in Nigeria. So the

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largest one is Nigeria, The second
legest is Nigeria. The ten less in

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Nigeria. Rice mills the largest Nigeria. But we have expensive rice. Something

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is wrong. Somewhere I saw the
Minister of Agriculture and Master of Agriculture explain

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how they used the flooding from the
when the camembias over release wasn't Nigeria.

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How he used that flooding with satellite
imagery to start rice in rice from the

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Nigeria. How he explained it like
if five years understand it. There was

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flooding, he mapped using satellites and
marked and then they planted rise with spectalizer

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on the floodplains and they will have
dresses in farming with then meant that there

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was no farming quote unquote in Nigeria
as other folks who are suffering from the

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flooding. That was the minister in
the same country that mister has gon is

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in his now the African time.
And will who is the new minister?

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If you can tell me the new
minister's name without googling a thousand dollars,

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if you're minister Agriculture without googling a
thousand dollars, you don't know, Fan,

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I can tell your father now you
know. But but but unfortunately I

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said it that our canoe and the
most commitiaker aspect of the country economy to

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a carrier politician, the worst aspect
is that now, so around getting in

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with another set of career it wow, let's end this place. That's that's

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just I promise it's mister share you
for me, Please go ahead. We'll

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think the guys I've been waiting here, I'll take them to speak. So

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because we're promise to speak and also
say I'm very I'm not happy. We

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if we want to pack the government, we can do it now because it's

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right we can. There's no points, there's no point. We'll have to

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go back and ask ourselves good questions. What is going on one year in

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if we're having this composition from GMO
to this, it's not right, mister.

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Please go ahead, sir, shame
for me. I follow I spoke

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earlier already I was going to about
the I just be no farmer laws So

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farmer Lawrence, you've got the floor. I think farmer and Laurie, Laurie,

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I grew up? Is farmer lawress? Just go ahead, thank you

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very much. And so much has
been said, I don't want to I

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just want to say this first.
I'll say that whoever controls our food controls

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our alife. About how BIAFRA is
not in existence today. True profitability is

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debate, and I see that most
of the pro GMO speakers are spoken in

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favor of profitability. Well, in
the last four days, I've had to

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do some research and particularly listen to
my wife, who is a medical microbiologist

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PhD, and ask the questions,
what really is this GMO technology? And

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in our words, GMO technology is
good, but only if it's in the

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right of the right person. So
it means that if GMO is in the

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hands of the wrong organization or the
wrong set of people. It can be

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a weapon against the people. Now, if profitability is debate, be sure

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that most of the farmers will adopt
it. What's four years down the line?

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Is there an agenda for the Nigerian
people? Is there an agenda for

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whatever it is that is pushing GMO. Another thing I want to say is

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that whatever it is that most of
the speakers have described about GMO can also

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be achieved using GM s, which
in this case high receipts. Are you

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speaking, Are you talking about draft
resistance seeds? You are in high you

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steeds prest resistency, you will find
them in HYGHRIDSID why are we pushing GMOs

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right now? Now? I want
to particularly push this to some of the

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pro GMO speakers who are actual farmers. In security, if you grow GMO

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your font on your one acre,
your five acres or five hectares, we

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least stopped the heaps men from attacking
your fans. Answer that question. Answer

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question. And then lastly, from
my point, I needed to know that

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apart from insecurity, apart from what's
it called from climate change, one of

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the reasons tomatoes and pepper was is
expensive right now is because at some point

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earlier this year, there were no
hybrid seeds across the nation. We couldn't

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find hybrid seeds to grow, right, that's hybrid. What happens if four

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years down the line that adopted GM
and then the scenes and everybody is now

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dependent on GM at the point this
issue they wredow for whatever reasons, what

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happens at that time, So the
pot someone has this disappoint earlier, so

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one has disappoint that if we get
on after four years, Yeah, that

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was what happens is okay, I
will not have money exactly. So you

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see why Russia is saying that GMO
is almost equal to terrorism. Right,

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So for me, that's where I
I mean, it's giving those GMOs.

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So I say I to that it
once, right, I said, solve

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the problem of insecurity and Julia will
find will find the other things out.

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So that's where miss I open it
for me. I open it our lorry,

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let's do lorry go and guys with
the can will sort of close down

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if you guys are okay, Thank
you, Thank you very much the tale

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for giving me an opportunity to speak. And he had a very long time

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and right for the first place for
me to see that very intellectual and people

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would like minds and the people have
spoken about their bread, opinion, the

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farmer and also business. Also grassroots
people live with the people with the grassroots

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and knows agriculture well. I don't
want to make so much noise, but

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in the situation of our country always
are in iteria, we want to go

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for ex policy as well. Why
we're looking for con solution which is not

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a lot solution where by agriculture is
one of the biable things that need toy

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to go here and give me a
priority. But the final of a pass

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of GMO because one of the major
factors that are fed the family in Nigeria

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presently is that if you go back
to paritic state of the Federation in Nigeria

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to the Ministry of Agriculture and functioning
effectively, what's the there but agriculture is

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the department are functioning. Do those
people going and look in the local farmers

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in the farm idea for and available? Do I did doing the necessarity for

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them to do? For example,
here I can and if I may to

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you criatechorically we have a lot of
regard to see the people have with them

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you can work finding they can give
you a very idea and even more than

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what we call a family or whatsoever. Is but one of the major problems

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we are based. Yes, I'm
a man of my deplicator of technology into

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agriculture, but the food that many
things their needs. For this department to

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go and look at going to the
farmers, I've seen their problem. Finding

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them the lasting solution, then it's
canna go for year. Now I'm together

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with work up. I'm saying that
from the first leather the insecurity person problem

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of Nigeria. Yes, if you
have security and the Ministry of Agriculture are

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working effectively, understate Agriculture working effectively
and the policies are being followed effectively and

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re pary to patuty and efficiency in
Nigeria, things will go well. But

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now with the further the government at
least Minister for Agriculture want to give an

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interagation into the agriculture. There was
that interbition regidorial farmers reaching the politician somebody

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that we don't know what is going
to be will get the high, high

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and higher benefit. We have seen
the subsequently we are in present Mulhammadu Bari

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that they made a lot of programs
for people to go and have inter region

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and the c CV and ALCO and
I said, well, I was going

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to be difficul real environment are a
politician come tocu rendent the idea and many

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of the part of the culty who
are the owner's computies, big big companies

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of Rise Protection majority other people from
the government that benefited from the Ankobar was

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something from the rectvernment. So we
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we can take over twenty to forty. I was talking about problem of agriculture

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solution. The only thing in the
DAA of that I don't to say.

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We like policies and your court policies
and your court colleges can no longer go.

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We need to go back to bread. But especially thank you very much

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for having me and giving me apportunity
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last world and we'll call to day. We kept get said for three hours

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and want anybody's wife to you got
the floor. That's last speaker, all

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right, that's what's the row.
Believe. Thank you so much, Calor

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for these opportunities to speak. Also, I've wont be in sever regulations for

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the last decade Nigeria and I have
had an opportunity to see a lot of

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data, have a lot of interventions
to developing this system Nigeria that say,

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it's quite interesting for GM wh it's
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I tweet they need to about the
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at this point, I think it
is a mispress displaced priority for a couple

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of reasons. And number one,
in Nigeria, there are more than I

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would say, there are more than
one hundreds rights in circulation and that have

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been developed that have been marketed commercialized
by sick companies. These include opips.

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These include I breaks doing very well. Uh. There are some OPVs that

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are doing as I as five toes
Pector, there are some I as swift

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toespiector. The I Seve in IBAD
in Nigeria, which is my top foreign

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companies, is doing about swfspector.
And I would say those parental materials were

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brought from Brazils, from USA and
they are retired these varieties more than fifteen

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years ago in those countries, and
yet they are doing so well in Nigeria

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and everybody's going those varieties. I
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ago, and you know sis As
City, you know. So the kind

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of things that they're bringing the iguments
is that the GMO they are the drug

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tolerance. Also you can row them
web and what content, what rap pol

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is low or its it to you
know, fight against amy one. There

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are some other varieties conventional ganic varieties
that can be promoted that I've been released

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by. I see a lot of
breeders. You know, there is electives

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low nitrogen that you know, even
with low nitrogen you can see through them

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and get raising with you considering the
cost of opalizer Nigeria, so promoting GMO

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at this critical you still need a
sizeable quantity of fertilizer to glue them.

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That is what number two there are. There's there's a new amy one resistance

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variety that is said and it's been
commercialized already. So this one's you know,

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stronger resistance against I'm at attack.
I've seen them on TRIAFELD at multip

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location. So there are a lot
of things into it. So when you

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look at the intent of those pushing
ads for the UH, you have to

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think that what is the generaline in
terms of them in Nigeria for security and

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we have to be careful to whatever
conclose your system where your security will have

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been strong leverage controlling. Yeah yeah, yeah, so you know a lot

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of things that you need, so
we have to look closely at it.

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There so more rits that can be
promoted apart from GMOs, and the system

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allows for it to be already in
conventional circulation. I don't thing. I

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will say as a tie of my
there is a rights of farmers to accessive

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to have access to save seats.
GMOs most of them have relator gens and

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papers about that. So farmers,
even the smaller farmers, they wouldn't be

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able to have access to safe seat. Where you look at the general demographics,

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more than a smaller farmers, they
will don't have access safe We are

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promoted if I say, what come
on these things? We them a lot

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of consider and we need to just
you know, as a country ourselves Lady

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woln that this is what's best for
us. At this point in time,

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people want to really actually put security. So I think that's just my point

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because of time, and I'd just
like to are you my first point for

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thank you, Thank you so much, sir. You know, normally when

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we do a spaces even if I'm
not an experts space position for against,

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I try to do the whole thing
right. This is an certain space.

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You know. I didn't have a
four against, but I was going to

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learn, and she just I was
about to learn, and I was pulled

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back into reality that night. You
really have got to fix the problems in

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basic problems. It's not an issue
of AI. It's like I'm trying to

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do a I don't know how never. That's really what I'm hearing. We've

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got to go back, at least
from the very beginner saying what is the

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problem. If the problem is lack
of fields that we have to mechanize,

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If the problem is comate change,
be regation the plan. It's a very

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very simple solution. But it looks
like we have a problem with our kids

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can go to school. So we
say, oh, let's go and buy

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in lomost neural ship in the kid's
brain so don't have to go to school.

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That's what I see happening. We're
trying to get to two techno technical

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for a very simple issue. I
mean, if there's a controversy about something,

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but it's a solution that has no
controversy, it's any easy to just

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say go for the social controversy.
If we have hybrids that can do most

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of what we're doing, our GMO
has got all this I'm hearing the can

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this teaching can be shot off and
blah blah blah. It sounds a bit

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too complex for me, perhaps to
just go to the hybrid and then focus

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more on the yield, the irrigation
going out the fertilizer to the basics first

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before we then go into okay,
what to do GM for something specifically being

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we have want to plant product and
drain the man crew forest or want to

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plant cross that and you know,
survive something in some desert that can grow

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trees in the desert to have a
green belt. That would be more of

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a GM for me. But I
don't see. I think if I'm the

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farmer, is cheaper for me,
but someone is telling me that it's cheaper

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for me today. But if that
it gets to my farm, I'll pay

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you have I cost that? So
even the course agreement that I was making

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or at the window, you know
again, is what the governments again has

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to communicate. These definitely have a
better reason. Maybe the folks up here

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are all anti GMO. Maybe there's
a goosy why they they brought GMO,

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but how they communicated. The guys
that own this space that I eat a

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cultural space, said they haven't communicated. My own is more finance this pace

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because of the target between food and
inflation. But you can see most of

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the guns on this space because I'll
just let us talk and we're going to

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a bit more more worried. You
know, I have done a good job

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to communicate this, and they need
to communicate that this. I don't have

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a good job and identifying what the
problem is because most you know and inspired

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before anything and solved. But if
you're inside the problem, then it's very

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very simple. You know what to
do. I'm sure I think more work

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needs to be done. That's how
I think better here. For if it's

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not broken, don't try to fix
it. I re culture store broken,

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but I think we're only going to
try to fix it in the first place.

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Maybe we should try to fix it
in the first place before we say

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it's broken and then bringing some new
things. So that's my that's my take,

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guys. So Niger Farmer, Ahmed, Jim Farmer Law, all of

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you that have come to our space
just sudden to just talk towards and educate

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us. We are very grateful and
we thank you. Will hold you to

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bring in that guy that come and
talk to us about how we can set

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up in a one room and catch
a small space of one room in Benwey,

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how we can go tomato or yam. Because that conversation we didn't happen

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in this space, you know we
it's consoled. But what also happened urban

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farmers space where we can learn as
non farmers how to prove food that we

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can eat. We eat tomato etiam
not right to pepper. How can we

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start what we need to give yourself? Futive wine, milk, putting fields,

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those sorts are what we need as
urban farmers. We can grow tomatoes

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and perhaps stretch that budget more and
more and more. That's what we want

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to do. That's what we do
on this space as well. So please,

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sir, I'm going to hold you
to that guy over to us so

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we can ask him those questions for
all of this. Then, I hope

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you're not discourage. I think you've
heard lots of things today. Go back

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and ask questions. Go to the
government area as what you're about culture,

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that's just doing within the cha can
happen. You've got to hold your own

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folks accounts, not the federal.
Look at state, hold that account right

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there. Look at what's happening in
Kenya. These are the same kise that

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Protestant. So go to your look
at doment area and hold them to account.

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It will pull them from that direction. So let's change because we can't

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cat you like this. It rises
good, not by in one year.

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This is all number rise from j
statistics. There was an official number maybe

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three. How you surviving this country? It's not possible. So let's do

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let's let's do better. That's what
I was. Let's just do better again.

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Guys, thank you so much.
We're here every weekend, every Sundays

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one pm. We're making topical it
is ecomic experience and that's not finance.

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We make it personal to you.
We're bringing an next spot or we speak

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about ourselves and the ideas to learn. Think that better. So thanks for

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fortuning copulartitu. Tuning in next week
when we'll be here again. On that

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note, thank you, sirsnother farm. I'm going to give you to give

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you your clothing space because you are
the coast and guests I don't call today,

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sir Bama. Okay, go on, and if you're speaking podcast sir,

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I'll end the space on your behalf. Thank you so much, guests

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for coming. You guys have a
good weekend and I'll see you all on

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Monday. I'm a good one.
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