Even more difficult, and taking that you are you will hardly see you taking
tis for me any wrong. And this thing continue to get worse and we
are lost surviving, We are not living. So it's continued to there was
for me. Did you strictly divide our adage into two for your political reason
where you hear one bag of analyzata, But for industrialization and full sur stannability,
we need, Oh, look a government mini more. In fact,
look at government that's your brandaries doing together clean twenty thousands of acres of land
found mechanization company twenty years, ten years, No, and allow individuals to
come and invest. True, but you have to practicalize this. We have
better at this as about twenty thousand nas level that they are using this for
nothing. And we turned to our farmland and its farmlands and now even didn't
come to real estates. Then most time, I wonder will have an arrible
land to little farmer. Look at were first problem and get the problem is
plenty, my friend, on the chances last the problem we started with planting
tomato in the home. Now we've come to this is the problem is plenty.
And you know the funny thing mirror realize Indian American she owns to matter.
When everybody shouting and tomato prices is because of this, I said,
the singer has nothing to do to you. People are shouting. Yeah,
we are the pig in l of tomato sacity, the cause you cannot plants
tomato and need to jam properly. When we have raised it's always tried during
dry season. Now we do not have irrigation to serve that purpose, and
our population continue to grow and we need food. And that is why one
thing, this one basic people that would never have failed is the principle of
the apply and demand every other thing, no matter how you call yourself and
even where you're judging from it there where it is not my basic business principle
to drive work like yeah, because a lot of factors artificially induced all humanity
induce. So the only one I will never feel you is that basic principle.
Can watch in the next month prize of Maze. I'm telling you for
the five prize of Mace drop back. We go back to Iran four hundred
five thousand, and as I speak with you is around one year or eight
hundred thousand. If I'm not Miakad. Why because you won't we produced last
year. I'm not enough, so said a lot of competition, and about
this government contribute to this market because when they wanted to do and why do
they balanced or something there went to the same market and think the people are
you go to mop up all those gras padia and everything as times to put
in it only the name of palating on this we do not have enough.
Let me so let them just say this right mirror. The lady has feel
about tomato. Just was saying that the issue with tomato has nothing to do
with bandits. She said that every year tomato is always first and this sently
said that the problem is not that because of rena season and that this hasn't
happening and we haven't solved it. So we are talking, okay talking imagine,
come I give us the clear bomb. You said, I mean,
what is going on? Guys, I don't know. I mean it was
spent three I was here three hours here and we've talked this space space something
and now you see for some time I've said I'm not discussing. After call
you, I said, I'm not discussing anything because unfortunately at them of yes,
there was called people are I don't know what to call them. Man,
I'm getting very emotion right now to have made place hold on then.
That is what I made this strge to say that we have yet were talking.
We can't talk to you typing, don't com I will not give you
an example. You know. When the three advision started laughing, I said,
you know what, I am going to be married Jim the agricultural development.
I want to like on my own without paying me a time. I
want to undo their Twitter account and what I want to do with the account
is to be able to pass the right information because it is duma. Can
do know what I put nobody restart to me, I said, I WoT
no comple not nothing. Whatever information that is get into the police, I
will be passing, make it engaging past the right information. The new the
essay to the Minister in media she's a real estate developer in a bun and
then she posted something like like what are you saying? What is this?
You know? How can you ask me from my village in the warshow state?
So apply for one part of fertilizer and cot my drop application a good
if it if it's somebody like me, I will will be ashamed to pose
that kind of information. So we cannot cover the continent to complain. Complain,
but this will will continue to do what I want to do. So
it's closed. So so what I'm hearing now is that this one is general
issue. When I school or say it's not on the issue, per see,
it's not only problem this journal. It will probably sell back to the
net, which is what you mentioned. Jam back to the additional point of
mechanizational irrigation polizer not from boats. That's what we're talking that when we're back
now. Is that where we are now? You know you think there is
Since this germal issue started almost four or five days ago the minis of the
culture, nobody has come out to talk about it. Nobody has come to
you won't pu some of the challenges and of the concerns. But it's not
good about people that I'm being paid, you know, because I'm an estation
agent. My job, like my devout, my job is to you know,
educate people and as I say, like the bad things that you are
being paid. No, it just pains me, you know when the people
who are not and I'll just put that business. Nobody has to see,
Oh we want to organize this session. The National Reactation Agency that as opposed
to give it the rights and information? Who else they quench any conver con
terms or misinformation. Nobody is saying anything. Just like the guy online that
his own line to the four seven posting quote unquote nonsense. I don't think
she was about agriculture. What does he do now? She's was there,
but she's in agency. So what does you know? Somebody take me out?
What does he do? But it's not funny though, It's not funny
because that's reset, that's recept. The room in Nigeria has a food problem,
not any inflation prop If you solve food, you have solved infleation.
If you solve infleation, you have sold the NYRA you have sought. For
employment, you have sought GDP. The most important ministry in Nigeria is whoever
is coordinating the production and distribution of food. There is not being the share.
I know economics, and I'm telling you go matrotter feed. I've been
quoting it four years now. Food impart the import of food. Bring it
in, let prices go down. What you do later I don't know,
but for now you are suffering because of lack of food Nbas just pisted right
now, literally right now, Nigeria blue fatistics. The price of grain in
Nigeria went up of rice one eighty nine percent. This is the official nine.
The appd price of local rice loose, so that one nine from a
year ago one eighty nine. So if farmer has said the price of rice
go off, but we have right, we have the largest rice mills.
See the largest pass in Africa one two and threes in Nigeria. So the
largest one is Nigeria, The second legest is Nigeria. The ten less in
Nigeria. Rice mills the largest Nigeria. But we have expensive rice. Something
is wrong. Somewhere I saw the Minister of Agriculture and Master of Agriculture explain
how they used the flooding from the when the camembias over release wasn't Nigeria.
How he used that flooding with satellite imagery to start rice in rice from the
Nigeria. How he explained it like if five years understand it. There was
flooding, he mapped using satellites and marked and then they planted rise with spectalizer
on the floodplains and they will have dresses in farming with then meant that there
was no farming quote unquote in Nigeria as other folks who are suffering from the
flooding. That was the minister in the same country that mister has gon is
in his now the African time. And will who is the new minister?
If you can tell me the new minister's name without googling a thousand dollars,
if you're minister Agriculture without googling a thousand dollars, you don't know, Fan,
I can tell your father now you know. But but but unfortunately I
said it that our canoe and the most commitiaker aspect of the country economy to
a carrier politician, the worst aspect is that now, so around getting in
with another set of career it wow, let's end this place. That's that's
just I promise it's mister share you for me, Please go ahead. We'll
think the guys I've been waiting here, I'll take them to speak. So
because we're promise to speak and also say I'm very I'm not happy. We
if we want to pack the government, we can do it now because it's
right we can. There's no points, there's no point. We'll have to
go back and ask ourselves good questions. What is going on one year in
if we're having this composition from GMO to this, it's not right, mister.
Please go ahead, sir, shame for me. I follow I spoke
earlier already I was going to about the I just be no farmer laws So
farmer Lawrence, you've got the floor. I think farmer and Laurie, Laurie,
I grew up? Is farmer lawress? Just go ahead, thank you
very much. And so much has been said, I don't want to I
just want to say this first. I'll say that whoever controls our food controls
our alife. About how BIAFRA is not in existence today. True profitability is
debate, and I see that most of the pro GMO speakers are spoken in
favor of profitability. Well, in the last four days, I've had to
do some research and particularly listen to my wife, who is a medical microbiologist
PhD, and ask the questions, what really is this GMO technology? And
in our words, GMO technology is good, but only if it's in the
right of the right person. So it means that if GMO is in the
hands of the wrong organization or the wrong set of people. It can be
a weapon against the people. Now, if profitability is debate, be sure
that most of the farmers will adopt it. What's four years down the line?
Is there an agenda for the Nigerian people? Is there an agenda for
whatever it is that is pushing GMO. Another thing I want to say is
that whatever it is that most of the speakers have described about GMO can also
be achieved using GM s, which in this case high receipts. Are you
speaking, Are you talking about draft resistance seeds? You are in high you
steeds prest resistency, you will find them in HYGHRIDSID why are we pushing GMOs
right now? Now? I want to particularly push this to some of the
pro GMO speakers who are actual farmers. In security, if you grow GMO
your font on your one acre, your five acres or five hectares, we
least stopped the heaps men from attacking your fans. Answer that question. Answer
question. And then lastly, from my point, I needed to know that
apart from insecurity, apart from what's it called from climate change, one of
the reasons tomatoes and pepper was is expensive right now is because at some point
earlier this year, there were no hybrid seeds across the nation. We couldn't
find hybrid seeds to grow, right, that's hybrid. What happens if four
years down the line that adopted GM and then the scenes and everybody is now
dependent on GM at the point this issue they wredow for whatever reasons, what
happens at that time, So the pot someone has this disappoint earlier, so
one has disappoint that if we get on after four years, Yeah, that
was what happens is okay, I will not have money exactly. So you
see why Russia is saying that GMO is almost equal to terrorism. Right,
So for me, that's where I I mean, it's giving those GMOs.
So I say I to that it once, right, I said, solve
the problem of insecurity and Julia will find will find the other things out.
So that's where miss I open it for me. I open it our lorry,
let's do lorry go and guys with the can will sort of close down
if you guys are okay, Thank you, Thank you very much the tale
for giving me an opportunity to speak. And he had a very long time
and right for the first place for me to see that very intellectual and people
would like minds and the people have spoken about their bread, opinion, the
farmer and also business. Also grassroots people live with the people with the grassroots
and knows agriculture well. I don't want to make so much noise, but
in the situation of our country always are in iteria, we want to go
for ex policy as well. Why we're looking for con solution which is not
a lot solution where by agriculture is one of the biable things that need toy
to go here and give me a priority. But the final of a pass
of GMO because one of the major factors that are fed the family in Nigeria
presently is that if you go back to paritic state of the Federation in Nigeria
to the Ministry of Agriculture and functioning effectively, what's the there but agriculture is
the department are functioning. Do those people going and look in the local farmers
in the farm idea for and available? Do I did doing the necessarity for
them to do? For example, here I can and if I may to
you criatechorically we have a lot of regard to see the people have with them
you can work finding they can give you a very idea and even more than
what we call a family or whatsoever. Is but one of the major problems
we are based. Yes, I'm a man of my deplicator of technology into
agriculture, but the food that many things their needs. For this department to
go and look at going to the farmers, I've seen their problem. Finding
them the lasting solution, then it's canna go for year. Now I'm together
with work up. I'm saying that from the first leather the insecurity person problem
of Nigeria. Yes, if you have security and the Ministry of Agriculture are
working effectively, understate Agriculture working effectively and the policies are being followed effectively and
re pary to patuty and efficiency in Nigeria, things will go well. But
now with the further the government at least Minister for Agriculture want to give an
interagation into the agriculture. There was that interbition regidorial farmers reaching the politician somebody
that we don't know what is going to be will get the high, high
and higher benefit. We have seen the subsequently we are in present Mulhammadu Bari
that they made a lot of programs for people to go and have inter region
and the c CV and ALCO and I said, well, I was going
to be difficul real environment are a politician come tocu rendent the idea and many
of the part of the culty who are the owner's computies, big big companies
of Rise Protection majority other people from the government that benefited from the Ankobar was
something from the rectvernment. So we need to go back to brain. But
we can take over twenty to forty. I was talking about problem of agriculture
solution. The only thing in the DAA of that I don't to say.
We like policies and your court policies and your court colleges can no longer go.
We need to go back to bread. But especially thank you very much
for having me and giving me apportunity than thanks guys. I think that the
last world and we'll call to day. We kept get said for three hours
and want anybody's wife to you got the floor. That's last speaker, all
right, that's what's the row. Believe. Thank you so much, Calor
for these opportunities to speak. Also, I've wont be in sever regulations for
the last decade Nigeria and I have had an opportunity to see a lot of
data, have a lot of interventions to developing this system Nigeria that say,
it's quite interesting for GM wh it's been in the pipeline S twenty and sixteen,
I tweet they need to about the back then GM. I would say
at this point, I think it is a mispress displaced priority for a couple
of reasons. And number one, in Nigeria, there are more than I
would say, there are more than one hundreds rights in circulation and that have
been developed that have been marketed commercialized by sick companies. These include opips.
These include I breaks doing very well. Uh. There are some OPVs that
are doing as I as five toes Pector, there are some I as swift
toespiector. The I Seve in IBAD in Nigeria, which is my top foreign
companies, is doing about swfspector. And I would say those parental materials were
brought from Brazils, from USA and they are retired these varieties more than fifteen
years ago in those countries, and yet they are doing so well in Nigeria
and everybody's going those varieties. I also did for the company about three years
ago, and you know sis As City, you know. So the kind
of things that they're bringing the iguments is that the GMO they are the drug
tolerance. Also you can row them web and what content, what rap pol
is low or its it to you know, fight against amy one. There
are some other varieties conventional ganic varieties that can be promoted that I've been released
by. I see a lot of breeders. You know, there is electives
low nitrogen that you know, even with low nitrogen you can see through them
and get raising with you considering the cost of opalizer Nigeria, so promoting GMO
at this critical you still need a sizeable quantity of fertilizer to glue them.
That is what number two there are. There's there's a new amy one resistance
variety that is said and it's been commercialized already. So this one's you know,
stronger resistance against I'm at attack. I've seen them on TRIAFELD at multip
location. So there are a lot of things into it. So when you
look at the intent of those pushing ads for the UH, you have to
think that what is the generaline in terms of them in Nigeria for security and
we have to be careful to whatever conclose your system where your security will have
been strong leverage controlling. Yeah yeah, yeah, so you know a lot
of things that you need, so we have to look closely at it.
There so more rits that can be promoted apart from GMOs, and the system
allows for it to be already in conventional circulation. I don't thing. I
will say as a tie of my there is a rights of farmers to accessive
to have access to save seats. GMOs most of them have relator gens and
papers about that. So farmers, even the smaller farmers, they wouldn't be
able to have access to safe seat. Where you look at the general demographics,
more than a smaller farmers, they will don't have access safe We are
promoted if I say, what come on these things? We them a lot
of consider and we need to just you know, as a country ourselves Lady
woln that this is what's best for us. At this point in time,
people want to really actually put security. So I think that's just my point
because of time, and I'd just like to are you my first point for
thank you, Thank you so much, sir. You know, normally when
we do a spaces even if I'm not an experts space position for against,
I try to do the whole thing right. This is an certain space.
You know. I didn't have a four against, but I was going to
learn, and she just I was about to learn, and I was pulled
back into reality that night. You really have got to fix the problems in
basic problems. It's not an issue of AI. It's like I'm trying to
do a I don't know how never. That's really what I'm hearing. We've
got to go back, at least from the very beginner saying what is the
problem. If the problem is lack of fields that we have to mechanize,
If the problem is comate change, be regation the plan. It's a very
very simple solution. But it looks like we have a problem with our kids
can go to school. So we say, oh, let's go and buy
in lomost neural ship in the kid's brain so don't have to go to school.
That's what I see happening. We're trying to get to two techno technical
for a very simple issue. I mean, if there's a controversy about something,
but it's a solution that has no controversy, it's any easy to just
say go for the social controversy. If we have hybrids that can do most
of what we're doing, our GMO has got all this I'm hearing the can
this teaching can be shot off and blah blah blah. It sounds a bit
too complex for me, perhaps to just go to the hybrid and then focus
more on the yield, the irrigation going out the fertilizer to the basics first
before we then go into okay, what to do GM for something specifically being
we have want to plant product and drain the man crew forest or want to
plant cross that and you know, survive something in some desert that can grow
trees in the desert to have a green belt. That would be more of
a GM for me. But I don't see. I think if I'm the
farmer, is cheaper for me, but someone is telling me that it's cheaper
for me today. But if that it gets to my farm, I'll pay
you have I cost that? So even the course agreement that I was making
or at the window, you know again, is what the governments again has
to communicate. These definitely have a better reason. Maybe the folks up here
are all anti GMO. Maybe there's a goosy why they they brought GMO,
but how they communicated. The guys that own this space that I eat a
cultural space, said they haven't communicated. My own is more finance this pace
because of the target between food and inflation. But you can see most of
the guns on this space because I'll just let us talk and we're going to
a bit more more worried. You know, I have done a good job
to communicate this, and they need to communicate that this. I don't have
a good job and identifying what the problem is because most you know and inspired
before anything and solved. But if you're inside the problem, then it's very
very simple. You know what to do. I'm sure I think more work
needs to be done. That's how I think better here. For if it's
not broken, don't try to fix it. I re culture store broken,
but I think we're only going to try to fix it in the first place.
Maybe we should try to fix it in the first place before we say
it's broken and then bringing some new things. So that's my that's my take,
guys. So Niger Farmer, Ahmed, Jim Farmer Law, all of
you that have come to our space just sudden to just talk towards and educate
us. We are very grateful and we thank you. Will hold you to
bring in that guy that come and talk to us about how we can set
up in a one room and catch a small space of one room in Benwey,
how we can go tomato or yam. Because that conversation we didn't happen
in this space, you know we it's consoled. But what also happened urban
farmers space where we can learn as non farmers how to prove food that we
can eat. We eat tomato etiam not right to pepper. How can we
start what we need to give yourself? Futive wine, milk, putting fields,
those sorts are what we need as urban farmers. We can grow tomatoes
and perhaps stretch that budget more and more and more. That's what we want
to do. That's what we do on this space as well. So please,
sir, I'm going to hold you to that guy over to us so
we can ask him those questions for all of this. Then, I hope
you're not discourage. I think you've heard lots of things today. Go back
and ask questions. Go to the government area as what you're about culture,
that's just doing within the cha can happen. You've got to hold your own
folks accounts, not the federal. Look at state, hold that account right
there. Look at what's happening in Kenya. These are the same kise that
Protestant. So go to your look at doment area and hold them to account.
It will pull them from that direction. So let's change because we can't
cat you like this. It rises good, not by in one year.
This is all number rise from j statistics. There was an official number maybe
three. How you surviving this country? It's not possible. So let's do
let's let's do better. That's what I was. Let's just do better again.
Guys, thank you so much. We're here every weekend, every Sundays
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We make it personal to you. We're bringing an next spot or we speak
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note, thank you, sirsnother farm. I'm going to give you to give
you your clothing space because you are the coast and guests I don't call today,
sir Bama. Okay, go on, and if you're speaking podcast sir,
I'll end the space on your behalf. Thank you so much, guests
for coming. You guys have a good weekend and I'll see you all on
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