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Last, 33 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,680 but certainly not least, shout out to our sponsors who make this podcast 34 00:02:31,759 --> 00:02:36,319 possible this week, Door Dash and bet Online. You'll be hearing from them 35 00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:39,000 in just a few moments. Let's talk some finals though, before we get 36 00:02:39,039 --> 00:02:43,599 into the sixers. Who there's there's some sixers to talk. Let's just say 37 00:02:43,599 --> 00:02:49,039 that. So the Lakers drop Game three, one fifteen to one oh four. 38 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:54,759 There's a lot to talk about when looking at how poorly the Lakers handled 39 00:02:54,759 --> 00:03:00,360 this game, but I think this game needs to begin and end with Jimmy 40 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,319 Butler going full supernova and like that was the difference. He had a really 41 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:08,000 good game too, but in Game three, he scored forty points, dropped 42 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:14,080 eleven rebounds, dropped thirteen assists, played almost forty five minutes when fourteen of 43 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:17,280 twenty from the floor, two steals, two blocks, did have five turnovers. 44 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:22,560 But he was just an absolute monster and booked. It was an historical 45 00:03:22,599 --> 00:03:27,840 performance. He is just a third player in NBA Finals history her stat head 46 00:03:27,879 --> 00:03:30,560 to have a forty point triple double. The other two Jerry West in nineteen 47 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:36,639 sixty nine and Lebron James in two and fifteen. That's not big company to 48 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,199 be in. And also, this is per Mark J. Spears of The 49 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:45,039 Undefeated, Jimmy Butler is the first player to outscore, outrebound, and out 50 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:50,319 assist Lebron James in a Finals game. And that includes Lebron's teammates. That 51 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,919 is a wild stat to me too. And then you look at just what 52 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,159 he meant to Miami's offense, even when he wasn't the one taking the shots. 53 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:01,800 That he put a lot of pressure on the center of the Lakers defense, 54 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,680 which also just wasn't that great. If I, like Anthony Davis at 55 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:08,840 points, was showing too much respect to Kelly Olenick, I don't care really 56 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,520 how good he's been in this series. Anyway, though, eighteen of Miami's 57 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,600 thirty four field three point field goal attempts in Game three were directly off passes 58 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:21,839 from Jimmy Butler, and that's per Darryl Brockport Blackport excuse me on Twitter. 59 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:29,160 So this game, what it means moving forward the heat I still wouldn't expect 60 00:04:29,199 --> 00:04:31,480 him to win this series, and I just think that's fair because both bam 61 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,519 Atabaio and gor and Dragics didn't play in game three. You can kind of 62 00:04:34,519 --> 00:04:38,079 look at this victory as a well, you know, if you're going to 63 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,600 get some of them back like that should make this a series and it technically, 64 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,839 Ken I'm far more hopeful that bam Atabaio comes back than Dragic, And 65 00:04:44,879 --> 00:04:46,839 even if Drags does come back, I wouldn't expect him to be that effective 66 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:50,399 if neither of them comes back, or if you get bam at a Bio 67 00:04:50,439 --> 00:04:53,800 back and he's just super limited. Like this game was, it was a 68 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,079 lot of Jimmy Butler. You had some there were some big moments from from 69 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,279 Tyler hero hashtag stink Face. They got another good game from from Kelly Olenick. 70 00:05:00,319 --> 00:05:05,879 But this was just a lot of Jimmy Butler playing at an intergrolactic level 71 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,120 is the best way that I would call it. That's not necessarily sustainable, 72 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,079 but I think and the other thing that was bizarre to me in this and 73 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,199 I don't like boiling games down to just a lack of focus or whatever you 74 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,959 want to call absence of a certain effort, not effort in general, but 75 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:28,639 a certain effort. But the Lakers finished plus six from three point range over 76 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:33,439 Miami. They once again won the offensive rebounding battle eleven to three, and 77 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,680 they were about dead even in free throws. They made twenty two of twenty 78 00:05:36,759 --> 00:05:40,879 nine attempts. The Heat made twenty one of twenty three attempts, and so 79 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,920 the Lakers left some points on the board when it came to free throws. 80 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,439 And look they were in this game despite they had ten first quarter turnovers. 81 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,480 That's something that you could absolutely point to as an issue. Lebron himself at 82 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,959 eight turnovers in the game, this is probably one of his you know, 83 00:05:54,079 --> 00:05:56,639 yes he dropped twenty five, ten and eight, but this is probably one 84 00:05:56,639 --> 00:06:01,600 of his worst playoff games that we've seen. So it's weird almost when you 85 00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:05,399 when you look at those numbers, like unless you're mega concerned that the Lakers 86 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:10,319 were I don't even know how you could be concerned they were a plus one 87 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,000 at the free throw line unless you expect them to win that battle by more, 88 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:16,839 and that's how they're gonna win games. This felt like a puzzling outcome 89 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:23,240 almost and almost just a victory of sheer will from Jimmy Butler. And because 90 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,240 on most nights, if you say the Lakers won the offensive, rebounding battle, 91 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,680 the free throw battle, and the three point battle, like you would 92 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,639 assume that that's a victory, and the fact that it wasn't it speaks definitely 93 00:06:33,639 --> 00:06:39,519 to their sloppy play. Anthony Davis got into some foul trouble during the first 94 00:06:39,519 --> 00:06:42,279 half, which which did not help him, and then he just felt super 95 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:46,600 passive. Nine shot attempts, only one shot attempt in the fourth quarter. 96 00:06:46,079 --> 00:06:50,000 This is per at half court hoops on Twitter. In the eighteen or so 97 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:56,199 possessions that Anthony Davis was in during the fourth he was only involved in five 98 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,720 actions and not a single play was run for him. He had two post 99 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,120 up and then three where he set a ball screen, none with Lebron being 100 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:08,079 the ball handler in those situations. Again, that's the per half court hoops 101 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,879 on Twitter hashtag Wow, that's definitely a problem. I think a lot of 102 00:07:11,879 --> 00:07:15,199 people have also pointed to if Lebron is going to spend so much time on 103 00:07:15,279 --> 00:07:18,439 Jimmy Butler, why are you going to so easily switch off of him, 104 00:07:18,439 --> 00:07:25,560 like when it's just not necessary. I agree with the overall stance. I 105 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,360 don't know that it became like this massive problem until later in the game where 106 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,879 it did feel like the Heat did a good job of targeting, like getting 107 00:07:33,319 --> 00:07:36,000 they knew that the Lakers were going to switch so easily, so they really 108 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,160 went after a Danny Green knowing if he was going to be on the switch. 109 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:46,120 I'm just not as strong as Butler did over for KCP Markith Morris, 110 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,720 even someone who yeah, might have that girth, but like Jimmy Butler is 111 00:07:48,759 --> 00:07:51,680 gonna beat him, particularly if you get him going downhill beforehand. And so 112 00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:57,199 the Lakers are getting caught with like their hand in their pants in that situation 113 00:07:57,319 --> 00:08:00,600 essentially is what it felt like. And it was weird because you look at 114 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:05,160 the partial possessions that Lebron defended Butler on were twenty one point nine in Game 115 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:07,639 three. That's the team leading twenty one point nine, and the Heat only 116 00:08:07,639 --> 00:08:11,319 scored seventeen points as a team in those situations, which is under point seven 117 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,480 eight points per possession, which is good overall, but because he's splitting so 118 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,680 much time with other people like a Markief Morris, where Butler was three of 119 00:08:20,759 --> 00:08:24,680 seven with two assists against him, Kyle Kuzma, who had a great game, 120 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:28,000 might have I think you can argue might have put up the most resistance 121 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:35,159 against Jimmy Butler on defense at points. Then Butler was one of three with 122 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,840 zero assists against Kyle Kuzman. Again, this tracking data is imperfect, but 123 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,639 the ones I'm reading sort of match up with what I was watching during Game 124 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:48,120 three, the when he went up against Cantabia's called a pope two of two 125 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,399 with one assists, So like those all become problems. Then look even against 126 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,639 the Anthony Davis, this is the one that I'd like, if you're gonna 127 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,639 switch like that, you'd rather see Anthony Davis go after Jimmy Butler. Here 128 00:08:56,879 --> 00:09:01,759 he was two of two against Anthony Davis with with three assists, So I 129 00:09:01,759 --> 00:09:05,440 would I think that you need to kind of if you're gonna have Lebron on 130 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:09,960 Butler, you need to do it in the same vein that you did against 131 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,759 Denver, where he's just going to stick to Jamal Murray more. And if 132 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:15,799 that's too much to ask, well, then it's time to explore something else. 133 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,799 And that's probably where the main issue comes in is who is the best 134 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:22,440 body, aside from Lebron James, to throw at Jimmy Butler. Let's say 135 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,879 full time or semi full time. It's not Marcus Morris, even though it 136 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:30,159 feels like he has the build. I wouldn't trust Kyle Kuzma to do it, 137 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:35,279 even though he's been he was solid defensively in game three. Danny Green 138 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,039 would probably be your best option, and like there's going to be a strength 139 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:43,200 deficit there and Lebron just might end up being your best option. So don't 140 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,320 soft switch as much. I guess would be the recommendation. But again, 141 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,480 I don't think that that was like the biggest deal in this. I understand 142 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:50,759 the logic where if you're gonna put Lebron on Butler, don't make it so 143 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:54,440 easy for Butler to be able to get off of him. But something else 144 00:09:54,480 --> 00:10:00,440 that you know you look at was even particularly later in the game, like 145 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,960 after you're making those switches, the lane is just so open because Anthy Davis 146 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,519 didn't feel like he was anywhere near the basket. Paying so much respect to 147 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,320 Kentavia up wow to Kelly Olynk And that's just look, if Kelly Olynik is 148 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,679 gonna have a big game, like Kelly Olynic have a big game, I 149 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,759 would think that you need to put up a lot more resistance at the rim. 150 00:10:18,759 --> 00:10:20,600 And yes, look at the beginning, if he's off the floor, 151 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,759 if he's in foul trouble, this is Davis I'm talking about. I totally 152 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:28,639 get it. But later in the game, like there was a possession where 153 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:33,919 Jimmy Butler dribbled out of the corner after I think the Lakers switched on him 154 00:10:33,919 --> 00:10:35,480 twice, and there was just no one around the basket because Andy Davis was 155 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,559 like glued to Kelly Olynik. And I get the inclination where you don't want 156 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:45,200 Kelly Olynik to hit a three when it was a relatively tight game at that 157 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:50,559 point. Still it's Kelly Olynk and there should be like more help around the 158 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,480 basket in those situations for la. Something else about the Lakers that was just 159 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,799 off. So in the first two games of this series, they were shooting 160 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:03,320 almost sixty four percent in the restricted area and the paint overall, and then 161 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,639 in this one they were just fifty four point eight percent on those looks in 162 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,519 the paint and the restricted area. That's something that's gonna need to come up 163 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,200 for them, particularly if they're gonna you know, Aunty Davis wasn't necessarily killing 164 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,600 it on the offensive glass himself, but if you're going to commit so much 165 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,960 offensive rebound. If you're gonna be again plus eight on the offensive glass, 166 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,919 you're gonna want more of those those bunnies to fall. And they were kind 167 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:30,399 of a lot of them just set like random offensive rebounds where it's like Rondo 168 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:31,720 catching one and then he's gonna dribble it out, sort of the same thing 169 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,399 with like a Cuiz Month. So I think it's probably more instructive. You 170 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:37,279 look at and you say, all right, well, Anthy Davison, Dwight 171 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:41,799 Howard had two offensive rebounds apiece, which really isn't too much. Still, 172 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:46,200 that's just the number there is just wild to me. Lakers were also, 173 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,639 so you win the three point battle, you go five of twenty one out 174 00:11:48,639 --> 00:11:54,000 above the break threes that's in. I wouldn't say that's an unsustainably low number. 175 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,559 They really they did their damage from the corners where they were not of 176 00:11:58,159 --> 00:12:01,759 twenty one, which is that's you know, both of those feel sustainable where 177 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:03,679 it's like on a Lebron James lead team, Yeah, you're gonna see a 178 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,159 lot of made corner three pointers. And then when you're looking at their shooters, 179 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,279 yeah, they're going to be nights where they're just not going to have 180 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,799 it going from above the break and Danny Green dealing with an injury we know, 181 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:18,320 but in almost seventeen minutes of action, and that's probably why he's not 182 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,120 Maybe that's why he's not your best option to go up against Butler, oh 183 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,399 four from three oz of six and it just becomes, you know, almost 184 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:28,159 intenable to really keep him on the floor if he's not going to give you 185 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:31,799 you know, made shots on offense, and then he's becoming I don't want 186 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,960 to say he's a defensive liability, but he might be there and it looks 187 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,759 he becomes a liability in a sense if you can't have him go up against 188 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,799 a Jimmy Butler and then there's no go on drawg it's necessarily to worry about 189 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,679 that. This is just a huge punch back from the heat, Like it's 190 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,519 absolutely massive. And if they get Bamata Bio back for Game four, he 191 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,679 said that he plans to play every single game since he was injured in Game 192 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,240 one dealing with the neck issue. I believe also got some shoulder stuff going 193 00:12:56,279 --> 00:13:00,399 on, and I believe his stances. He believes good playing GA four as 194 00:13:00,399 --> 00:13:03,159 well. If you get him back the one thing. Perhaps that helps. 195 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,679 Even though he's not the greatest rebounder and he's not like this huge like you 196 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,799 can I don't want to say he's not a rim to turrent, but like 197 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:13,840 you can score at the basket with bam Adebayo on the floor. That's not 198 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,919 really meant to be any disrespect. He's just going to be a better guy 199 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,919 when it comes to switching on the outside. But if you get him back, 200 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,080 it should, in theory be able to limit the Lakers opportunities on the 201 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,440 offensive glass. And again I think maybe you can argue that the Heat did 202 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:33,399 that when you're looking at how their offensive rebounding was dispersed amongst the Lakers. 203 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,200 Still that should help there. And then just having sort of another offensive creator, 204 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:41,440 because the half court offense, you know, entering this series without Dragic 205 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:48,360 was absolutely terrible, and because they played their head codfms actually fairly efficient in 206 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:50,919 Game two without him. And then you have Jimmy Butler going absolutely off in 207 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,480 this one, just a huge performance from him, really putting pressure on the 208 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:58,159 Lakers, getting to the foul line, just just doing everything. Didn't take 209 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:03,200 a single three pointer, which is objectively amazing, and I think you can 210 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,639 argue that Miami can even get better. Tyler hero two of seven from three, 211 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,960 Duncan Robinson three of ten from three, and some of those were good 212 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,440 looks two for him, and so I know he's been struggling in the finals, 213 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,480 but if a few more of those looks go down, like maybe this 214 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:20,120 isn't even a situation where the Heat have to worry about entering a crunch time 215 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:24,360 any crunch time minutes. They jump out to that they led at fourteen at 216 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,320 one point. That was in the second half, and I think they had 217 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,720 a camera with exactly wasn't the first quarter at one point, Maybe it's thirteen 218 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,879 or something around there, But with the Lakers having ten turnovers and then you 219 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,919 end the first quarter where Miami's only up three and then only up four at 220 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:43,679 to half, like that was that was sort of mind blowing too, And 221 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,039 it was a kind of a kudos to the Lakers. They've just been scalding 222 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,279 hot from three point range in the first half specifically, and so you can 223 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,919 look at that for them and say, oh, that's actually encouraging. They 224 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,519 were so sloppy, they traveled by so much at the beginning, but they 225 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:01,399 came back. They held the lead at one point in the second half. 226 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,320 I think it was it was either at the beginning of the fourth quarter or 227 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,679 sometime in the third quarter, they like jumped out if he's tied it eighty 228 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:11,039 nine and then I think they went up ninety eighty nine or something like that. 229 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,879 Forgive me if I'm speaking there. This game just felt like it was 230 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:18,000 absolutely all over the place. So yes, that is encouraging for the Lakers, 231 00:15:18,039 --> 00:15:20,720 but the heat can also do some things a little bit better. And 232 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:24,759 Butler, I think you can count on him to come with the same sort 233 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:30,120 of effort. Let's see if he has as much energy after playing almost forty 234 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,720 five minutes. So but if you have a bam out of bio, like 235 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,279 that's just who has been one of your top three players and basically every playoff 236 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,919 series here, there's been a lot of talk about Draggings, so I'm hesitant 237 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,759 to say that he's been their second best player at points, but he's had 238 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:46,000 some big offensive performances. If you get him back and he's just the semblance 239 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,480 of himself, like this becomes a real problem and it may look it should 240 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,039 make like more difficult than anthy Davis because with the way the heat feel like 241 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:56,679 they're defending and if you want like serious x's and notes, this is I'm 242 00:15:56,679 --> 00:15:58,840 not the guy to go to. I've been very open about that on this 243 00:15:58,919 --> 00:16:03,399 podcast. But they're going after Lebron a little bit more if he's like throwing 244 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:04,919 more bodies at him, and maybe that's just gonna make them more inclined to 245 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,159 be like, hey, he wasn't the primary defender on Anthony Davis in Game 246 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,720 one where they did lean on a lot his own. We're just gonna make 247 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:15,879 them that moving forward. And I think if you were going to design someone 248 00:16:15,919 --> 00:16:18,720 in a lab to guard Anthony Davis just like he would be honest attend to 249 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:22,240 Coopo, it would be bam Adebayo. We'll see really how that goes. 250 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:26,320 The Lakers have to get him more involved, and that falls on it falls 251 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,639 on Lebron a little bit in the game. But also if you're not running 252 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:33,679 actions for Davis or Lebron is out of the game, like, that's a 253 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:37,320 huge issue as well. So those are those are all controllable things for the 254 00:16:37,399 --> 00:16:41,200 Lakers. But if you're trying to take the pro Miami stands here, which 255 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,639 is what I think we need to do because it's been very We've been very 256 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:48,879 open and clear that this just feels like the Lakers series to lose. After 257 00:16:48,919 --> 00:16:51,480 these injuries, after what we saw in Game one, even before the injuries 258 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,679 from the Lakers where they came back from that thirteen point lead, they clearly 259 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,360 feel feel like the superior team. But you look at Miami and you say 260 00:16:57,399 --> 00:17:02,240 they're gonna get their can best defensive player back. I still think their best 261 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,240 defensive players probably Jimmy Butler. He's dude, it's just a monster. But 262 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:08,599 what you get bammout of bile back is just objectively huge, and maybe some 263 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,200 of these guys are just gonna start hitting more of their shots from downtown. 264 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,440 Like this is now. I think at two of the three games, they've 265 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,839 now lost the three point battle to the Lakers, which is just not like 266 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:25,640 that's to be only down two to one in this series, given the injuries 267 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:30,480 and like not consistently winning the three point battle where you were a plus, 268 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:33,200 I mean a minus. In Game two, they were a minus fifteen from 269 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,000 three. And then you look at Game one, which feels like forever ago 270 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,720 the three point battle I think it might have went to the Lakers as well. 271 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:45,880 So you've lost the Mad threes battle in all three games thus far. 272 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:49,160 Yeah, they were minus twelve from three. So the Lakers have outscored you 273 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,319 by thirty three points from three point range in this series and you're only down 274 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,279 two to one. That can be encouraging for them if you think that Tyler's 275 00:17:57,319 --> 00:18:00,920 Hero and both than Robinson are going to shoot better from distance, like that 276 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,839 becomes a big deal. Hero now has performances. If he was two of 277 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,119 eight from three in game one and you combine that with two of seven in 278 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,839 game three, not so great, and then dugcan Robinson's been laying a lot 279 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:15,119 of bricks in this series. So that's like, you can look at this 280 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,839 now and I feel like you can convince yourself there's a path to Miami winning. 281 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,160 I still default too. Lebron is not going to commit eight turnovers in 282 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,440 every single game. The Lakers are not going to commit ten turnovers in the 283 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,119 first quarter. They'll figure out a way to get Anthony Davis more involved. 284 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,039 And it's not even necessarily a matter of saying, well, Anthony Davis can 285 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,400 just score at will, which at times it does feel like he can, 286 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:37,319 but just having him more involved puts a different sort of pressure on the defense, 287 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:41,599 and so I still think this feels like I picked Lakers in six for 288 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:44,880 the series as a reminder, I would still I would stick with that, 289 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,160 particularly now that he took a game. I was more inclined to think this 290 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,440 might be a gentleman's sweep or or an actual sweep after the injuries. We 291 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,720 have to see if Adabaio comes back and what he looks like once he does. 292 00:18:52,759 --> 00:18:56,079 But this definitely sets Miami up. I don't know if it necessarily gives 293 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,680 him a blueprint to win by just saying Jimmy Butler needs to go supernova, 294 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,319 but maybe it does give a loutprint where in the sense that if you have 295 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,279 Jimmy Butler really attacking, which he was also doing in Game two to his 296 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,319 credit, particularly as the game moved on. But if you have Jimmy Butler 297 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,400 attacking and you get them at a bio back and you hit just a few 298 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,839 more three pointers, and you can play the Lakers to at least the dead, 299 00:19:15,839 --> 00:19:18,240 even like they sort of did in Game three at the free throw line, 300 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:21,440 it feels like there's a path to them winning this series. Now, 301 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,599 like that's how big Game three was. You don't want to overreact to it. 302 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,880 For either side. And I don't think this is the type of game 303 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,720 where it shifts perception of the entire series unless you just thought that the Lakers 304 00:19:30,759 --> 00:19:34,240 were going to steam roll them in four games. Obviously still there. It 305 00:19:34,279 --> 00:19:38,480 gives that it gives the heat, like that zemblance of hope because like, 306 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,559 this is doable. This is probably the toughest game you play, because it's, 307 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:47,119 yes, you lost some of the same circumstances in game two, but 308 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,640 in game three it's like, all right, I'm not a big must win 309 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,000 guy, but if you lose your down three too, and the series is 310 00:19:52,039 --> 00:19:55,799 just over, and then you're still dealing with these absences where maybe you thought 311 00:19:55,799 --> 00:19:57,440 it was only going to be at a bio out of game and so now 312 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,440 it's a matter of all, we don't really know if we have light at 313 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,920 the end of the tunnel there. This was the hardest game for them to 314 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,960 win, and to their credit, they absolutely wanted it. And look for 315 00:20:06,039 --> 00:20:11,599 the Lakers turnovers. They finished with nineteen on the game after committing ten in 316 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,480 the first quarter. Like you have to compliment Miami's defense for the pressure that 317 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,200 they were putting on the Lakers. Lebron made some super questionable decisions, and 318 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,200 I think you can even argue. You know, Miami scored eleven points off 319 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,440 ten turnovers in that first quarter. You could probably be arguing that they probably 320 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,119 should have scored more than that, but credit to their defense. We're putting 321 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:34,079 a ton of pressure on the ball and forcing Lakers into some of those mistakes. 322 00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:36,960 But a lot of them felt like they could be cleaned up, just 323 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,319 like Lebron, just not making the right reason, throwing a couple of bad 324 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:44,319 passes. 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He's probably not alone, would be my guests, 350 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:26,119 to the point where he's not returning Luke Walton's phone calls the Athletics. Jason 351 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,079 Jones also notes, though, that the Kings aren't going to rush into a 352 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,799 decision to move him. And we'll talk about some trade partners here, but 353 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,000 they just signed Buddy Heel to a four year, one hundred and six million 354 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:41,440 dollars extension before the start of this past season. It's basically a ninety four 355 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:47,880 million dollar extension because twelve million dollars of that is in unlikely incentive. So 356 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,640 you signed him through that deal, and you can make a clear case that, 357 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,039 yeah, just move him because you have to max out Daron Fox. 358 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,359 Rich On Holmes is going to enter free agency in twenty and twenty one. 359 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:02,359 You've already paid Harrison Barnes, have to pay Boddad Bogdanovich this summer, and 360 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:07,680 so this team is going to get expensive quickly, which is not great when 361 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,960 you're not I won't even not just the not a bona fide playoff team, 362 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,359 but like You're not even guaranteed to finish top eleven in the Western Conference right 363 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,039 now, so there would be some merits to moving him, particularly if you 364 00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:25,440 want to pay to keep Bogdanovich. That being said, it's kind of hard 365 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,720 to find, like Buddy, he'll trade partners because I don't think he provides 366 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:33,000 enough. He's a fantastic shooter. I don't know how he would feel about 367 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,279 coming off the bench somewhere else as opposed to Sacramento, because it does seem 368 00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:37,799 like maybe that might be his best role, but he wasn't too happy with 369 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:41,519 it. You put him on a better team, maybe that's different, but 370 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:45,759 I'm just not sure. Like the defense is, he's not a great defender. 371 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:48,319 I don't really know what else to say on that. But I don't 372 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:52,359 know if he's going to provide you with enough like self creation to actually be 373 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,680 worth this contract or a guarantee it like you need someone who could maybe do 374 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:56,839 a little bit more off the dribble, and I know that Kings try to 375 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,559 put him in more pick and roll situations year and it just didn't really end 376 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,200 that well, and it felt like that was sort of a harping point for 377 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,480 their fans, especially at the beginning of the year was trying to make Buddy 378 00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:11,200 Healed do too much of the ballon on his hands. Still, you know, 379 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,680 shooting really plays, and Buddy Healed is functional shooting like he can fire 380 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,480 shots up off the dribble. He can it's not just Stan still looks that 381 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:19,839 he's hitting. He can score them off in motion. And there are a 382 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,160 ton of teams where it feels like he would be a vent, like a 383 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,960 fantastic fit. But who's really you know, you have to give up stuff 384 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,119 to get him, just because you're looking at what he's making right now. 385 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,200 And the Kings clearly value him to that degree, even if they now think 386 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,839 that they overpay. Given that this is a new front office regime that's in 387 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,720 charge the Sixers who will talk about and we mentioned Buddy Healed within the podcast 388 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:45,599 while speaking with Brian, they seem like the most popular trade partner. But 389 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,039 like, you know, the Al Horford for Buddy Healed swap, like it's 390 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:52,240 just not happening on its own. Al Horford is owed three years and eighty 391 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,039 one million dollars, sixty nine of which is guaranteed, so you can look 392 00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:59,599 at it as a two year deal. But like paying him thirteen point five 393 00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:03,720 million dollar to go away and year three is not nothing, just about in 394 00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:06,039 case anyone loves what I mean. So what are you putting in as a 395 00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:11,200 sweetener? Is thible and a first enough? You know fiveble? Number twenty 396 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,680 one with Al Horford? I would almost hazard no. And now you're getting 397 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,839 into the point where Bill, can you use that you're smith like the Stephen 398 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,440 count as a sweetener at this point are you willing to include shake Milton? 399 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,960 I don't know that I would go shake Milton Thible and a first. I 400 00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:30,839 might if I'm the Sixers be more inclined to go number twenty one a twenty 401 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,160 twenty two pick and then fiveble or Milton four buddy heel if I'm also getting 402 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,079 rid of Al Horford's money. Maybe the Kings are a team that could talk 403 00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:41,359 themselves into Tobias Harris, but it feels a little bit redundant when they have 404 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:45,240 Harrison Barnes, who's a better defender, and Harris is the better score. 405 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,319 But like both those guys feel like they're best suited or should at least play 406 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:51,240 a ton of their minutes at the four and at least Horford. I think 407 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,319 you can look at up front and say that the Kings really could use the 408 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,599 center. Holmes is good, not a defensive anchor, and also headed for 409 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,680 free agency in twenty twenty one. You don't really know what Marvin Bagley is 410 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,079 After declining Harry Giles his team option, his fourth year option, he might 411 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,200 leave this summer. Bolita is good, but like you don't necessarily want him 412 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,200 to be your center. And unless you're so, unless you're just really into 413 00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:15,720 Marvin Bagley, still I think that he could be your center of the future 414 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:21,920 rather than just playing a bunch of power forward as an offensive hub. Horford 415 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,200 does make some sense for this team, especially if they want to win now. 416 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:29,160 Still, I just don't know what it takes to move that contract. 417 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,640 And I'll stop there because we get into more of this in the podcast. 418 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,319 Other teams where it feels like it might make sense. The Magic, we 419 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,319 know that they just need shooting and perhaps Evan Formia could leave this summery as 420 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,160 a player option. Even if he doesn't, they just need more shooting on 421 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,759 the wings. Aaron Gordon would be a great fit in Sacramento. I'd be 422 00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:49,039 curious if you make that move. Should you be Orlando, you'd have to 423 00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:53,240 include other money for one and then two. Now you're saddled with four years 424 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:57,880 of Buddy Heels as supposed to two years of Aaron Gordon and Jonathan Isaac's hurt 425 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,799 and extension eligible. They're like mark y'all, fots is extension knowledgeable. You're 426 00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:07,119 just in this weird place where I don't know if you can justify making such 427 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,279 a substantial addition for someone who's not necessarily young and still has four years left 428 00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:15,880 on his deal. And it becomes to me a lot harder to move Aaron 429 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,759 Gordon when you have Isaac out next year. Maybe you're really high on Amino 430 00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:22,680 coming back from injury, and then you have Chumo Kek who didn't really play 431 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,480 or who just didn't play at all this year as a rookie. If if 432 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,240 you think that you're going to get them serious reps, I'd be curious. 433 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:32,039 Look, if Lodi Tevax was still there, I would say that Nicola Vouchovitch 434 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,799 would absolutely be like, maybe that's a swap that can that can work. 435 00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:38,119 And then now it's time to just lean into Mo Bamba or Aaron Gordon playing 436 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,279 more five and you have Kem Birch. But I don't know if the Kings 437 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:44,519 want to invest that much money in a center at this point, and that 438 00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:48,799 maybe they would rather have, Like would you rather have Voucher or Al Horford? 439 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,559 I guess you would rather have Maybe that's a stupid question. Right now, 440 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:56,799 Vooch is cheaper and he's younger, So yeah, I just don't know. 441 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,599 Is Voot for Buddy Healed? Like is that framework that makes any sense 442 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,079 for for Sacramento? I don't know. Are you willing to include anything else? 443 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,359 If you're Orlando there? And again I come back to now, you 444 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,480 have Buddy Healed under contract for four years, and it does feel like the 445 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:11,559 Magic or one of those teams that are just on tilt where they could pivot 446 00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:15,720 into a rebuild at any moment, or at least that they should, And 447 00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:22,799 so going this route might might be a little bit weird for them looking at 448 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,519 other teams. He would be fantastic in Milwaukee. I don't think that they 449 00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:30,359 have the asset firepower to get him. A huge part of any hypothetical deal 450 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,880 there would be can you find a third team not only willing to take Eric 451 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,839 Bletso, but maybe who actually wants Eric Bletso? And then how are you 452 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,440 building out the offers from there, like you can give a I would give 453 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:45,759 up Donte de Vincenzo for Buddy Healed, And if you include him and a 454 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,279 first you do have picked twenty four in this draft, or you can trade 455 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:53,599 a distant first round pick. Is that enough? Like if we're talking that 456 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:57,519 and salary filler for Buddy Healed like a first round pick and Dante de Vincenzo, 457 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,839 I do not know. And then it's a matter of making the rest 458 00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:04,200 of the money work. You're not sending Georgio back to Sacramento. That's just 459 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,920 not happening. They might have interested in brook Lopez, but at that point, 460 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,160 I think you get into while I'm not high on the final three years 461 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,240 of brook Lopez deal, then you get into the issue of what are we 462 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:18,480 overpaying for Buddy Heal because he's might be a top fifty player, might not 463 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,640 be a top fifty player, So there's a lot of things to consider there. 464 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:25,279 Memphis is a spout. I love for him. I don't know what 465 00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:27,559 you give up. They have ways to match the salary. Just you look 466 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:32,160 at they have a ton of these mid level deals. Kyle Anderson at nine 467 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:37,039 point five million, Tys Jones at eight point eight Justice Winslow at thirteen million, 468 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,200 you want to sound tunings fifteen million, Gorgy Jang in the front of 469 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,640 year of his deal at seventeen point three million, So like they have the 470 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,920 means to build some offers, but you don't have a first round pick in 471 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,240 this year's draft. It's headed to Boston. Is Justice's Winslow someone who interests 472 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,680 the Kings? They do sort of me to lockdown defender, but Memphis went 473 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,960 to a great deal of trouble to bring him on, And at the same 474 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,160 time, maybe they're more willing to move him because he had the back issues 475 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,640 when he arrived there then couldn't play when they went back to the bubble either, 476 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:07,039 and so they a little bit more out on him and view it as 477 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:10,000 if they just want to say they've turned cap Space into Buddy Held instead of 478 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,440 just these Winslow. That's fine with them, But how much does the Justice 479 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,039 Winslow interest Sacramento because he would have to be the meat and potatoes of that 480 00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:18,880 deal, Like, may you could be fine giving up Grayson Allen shout the 481 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,119 ball well from three this year, but Buddy heals a better shooter. So 482 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,480 if you can do there's just the's Winslow and Dylan Brooks, Like, is 483 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:30,599 that something that is going to interest Sacramento. I honestly, I don't know. 484 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,839 Dylan Brooks feels like a little redundant in that situation if they're going to 485 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:41,000 keep Agday Madanovitch and you have Jaron Fox. Another team that I thought about 486 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,599 and that actually might have an easier path to getting Buddy held would be Indiana. 487 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:51,440 They have Miles Turner. I have Miles Turners the better player than Buddy 488 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,920 Healed right now, And so how are you building out this deal where Buddy 489 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,440 Healed makes more than Miles Turners on the books for eighteen million and you have 490 00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:03,359 to give up other money in this trade, which yes you have Doug McDermott 491 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:07,480 to do, but like, are the King sending you anything else back? 492 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,839 Victor Ladipo would be interesting, like maybe the Kings were trying to make like 493 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:18,160 the Star Power play where if you can bring an Oladipo and like Oladipo and 494 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,440 McDermott for like Buddy Healed, and are you trading a pick and then you 495 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,079 could say, look, this is an all MBA type player. Put him 496 00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:27,400 next to the Aaron Fox, get him going off the ball a little bit 497 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,160 more, which might be good for him following his quad injury. And then 498 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,599 he's someone that can go up against these these I don't wants like top tier 499 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,680 wings, but he's going to give you solid backhard defense, and then you 500 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,119 can also defend some threes, like maybe they can talk themselves into that, 501 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:47,079 or again, Miles Turner wouldn't be a terrible fit on this roster either. 502 00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:51,079 But Indiana with Buddy Held, if they're whoever they hires their next head coach, 503 00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:53,000 if they're really looking up their three point volume, like he does a 504 00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:57,359 great deal for them there. And I think knowing Indiana's track record where they 505 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,240 give up big name players and they don't want to pivot into these rebuilds, 506 00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:06,039 and I'm just I'm specifically thinking of the Paul George trade when you look at 507 00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:08,079 how they fleshed out that return where they took some bonus and Eladipo and everyone 508 00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:10,920 thought they could have gotten more, should have got in a different direction if 509 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,240 they're interested in still competing post Aladipo trade, which would be my guest, 510 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:16,640 because they had to know that this was a possibility when you went out and 511 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,920 you got Malcolm Brogden and even Jeremy Lamb before his injury traded for t J. 512 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:23,880 Warren. Someone like a Buddy Heal to interest them because I feel like 513 00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:30,440 he helps them raise that floor for them. And that's really all I have 514 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,119 on the teams where I feel like could talk themselves going forward to here, 515 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,000 like Denver could use his shooting. But how much do you damage your defense 516 00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:45,119 if you go Gary Harris and another smaller salary for Buddy Healed Like that would 517 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,400 just be an incredibly interesting fit. You could talk yourself into Dallas maybe too, 518 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,599 but you need to get stops if you're the Mavericks, and unless you're 519 00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:53,279 gonna get someone who's maybe a little bit more deppic creating his own shot, 520 00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:58,359 like a Danilo Gallinari, I'm not sure that giving up Tim Hardaway Junior and 521 00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:04,319 then a first and then other money for Buddy hell necessarily tracks there. In 522 00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:07,319 Atlanta, Dead last and three point shooting this year, they have cap space 523 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,640 just straight. They could take Buddy Heels cap space into their books. So 524 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,960 I mean, if it's a matter of you know, they'll take the Kings, 525 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,960 will take number six for Buddy Healed. Ye, I would do it. 526 00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:20,160 I just don't know how much he ends up helping you playing him and 527 00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:22,079 Kevin Hurder and Trey Young at the same time, it is probably a non 528 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:25,839 starter. And even if you're playing him with a Cam Reddish and a DeAndre 529 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,880 Hunter like that puts a lot of pressure on the defense. John Collins is 530 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,119 still there and he's like not as bad defensively as he was as a rookie, 531 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,079 but he's not someone that's gonna necessarily help your cause if you can if 532 00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:42,720 the cost is right, But if he's going to cost you, if he's 533 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:46,440 going to cost you Cam Reddish or DeAndre Hunter, I probably balk or I 534 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:52,119 would say this, I give up one of number six Reddish or Hunter, 535 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,759 and I would honestly be more inclined to give up Hunter at this point. 536 00:33:53,759 --> 00:34:00,599 But you might prefer to have Hunters just because his positional optionality a little bit 537 00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:04,119 more rangier than Cam Reddish. If you're gonna bring Buddy Healed in like you're 538 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,480 very much saying we're gonna Plahim at the two, or we're just gonna if 539 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,400 we play him at the three, like those are going to be lineups where 540 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,239 where the defense could get rolled. So if you can give up one of 541 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,320 those players to get him, and then I'd be fine including Herder. Maybe 542 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,599 Sacramento's interest John Collins, I don't know about that. When they have Marvin 543 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,920 Bagley, they're already But if if you can use if it just takes one 544 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,440 of Reddish Hunter and number six one of those want to reiterate as the headlining 545 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,480 piece, and then you you build out the offer from there, That's when 546 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,760 I think that it would it would be something to talk about. The last 547 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,719 team I'll mentioned. I don't really know if this makes a ton of sense, 548 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,320 but if you're the Celtics and maybe you're looking to like get off a 549 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,119 little money this year, and you're worried about what Gordon Hayward's next contract is 550 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:50,320 gonna look, like, build a framework around Gordon Hayward, like for Buddy 551 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,079 Healed deals, Like god, is it that bonkers? Like with Sacramento of 552 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:59,840 interested Gordon Hayward. Let's say Gordon Hayward and you know, the Celtics have 553 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,719 three first round picks and so it's weird to take like you're taking on long 554 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,920 term money in this situation, and Gordon Hayward's a good fighter when he's healthy, 555 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,320 But like, would they be willing to go twenty six and thirty and 556 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,679 Gordon Hayward for Buddy Healed. There might need to be more money involved, 557 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,159 or there definitely need to be more money involved, because Hayward's player option is 558 00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:21,519 thirty four point two million, Buddy Healed is making twenty six, so it 559 00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:24,559 comes pretty close. So would just take a small salary to make the money 560 00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:31,280 work there, And I'm looking just at Sacramentos Books like they have a they 561 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,000 don't really have like a super small salary to give up now that I'm looking 562 00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:37,840 at it, like you would have to go with a Justin James there, 563 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:45,320 So that's perhaps they're willing to do that. It does seem like from what 564 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,239 I know that they like him. I don't, but if you're maybe they 565 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,079 view Gordon Hayward as just someone an extra ball handler, an extra creator, 566 00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:53,880 maybe that they can rely on a little bit more defensively. But that's that's 567 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,480 like sort of reach and you have to worry about paying him his next deal. 568 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,840 Still, if you're getting two first round picks as part of the equation, 569 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:01,280 I might even consider it. If it's fourteen and you're just picking up 570 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,119 another lottery pick. If I'm Boston they have. They don't need Buddy Heills 571 00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:07,960 do anything for them on defense than just having that another three point outlet. 572 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,199 Who knows how he would feel about being part of sort of this success by 573 00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:14,599 committee though if he had a problem in Sacramento, is it going to be 574 00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:16,719 much better in Boston? Who knows? Those are teams though that spring to 575 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,480 mind as Buddy Healed destinations. I have rambled enough, though, Let's start 576 00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:27,119 talking in Philadelphia seventy six ers with Bleacher Reports and Forbes and the NBA Pods. 577 00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:32,119 Bryan Tobrick, The weight is finally over. Football is back. You 578 00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:36,400 might not be at a game this year, but you can still be in 579 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,920 on the action at bet online. Bet Online is going the extra mile to 580 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,079 make sure you can get in on every possible chance to win this season. 581 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,599 From game spreads and totals to team player and coaching props. That Online gives 582 00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:51,159 you more options to wager on than anywhere else. You can get in on 583 00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:54,840 their season opening bonuses today and start off wagering on wins, division odds and 584 00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:00,920 championship futures all day every day. 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Well, thank you for having me. 594 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,719 Hopefully not the last time, because yeah, we've been colleagues, can 595 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,639 we say, for a decade, But yeah, it's it's walk over due. 596 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,840 And I'm both excited and sad to talk about the Sixers. Yeah they're 597 00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:52,599 look at least they're fascinating, but like there, it's like the kind of 598 00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:55,599 it's like a car wreck that you can't really look away from. So it's 599 00:37:55,639 --> 00:38:00,159 like that type of deal. I'll start off with this though I even I 600 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,840 told you this and then and then Doc Rivers was higher. I said, 601 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,840 look, I'm gonna be reaching out to you as soon as they picked their 602 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,039 coach, that we can do. I didn't want to date the sixers of 603 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,679 the team. You don't want to do a look ahead for because you know 604 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,920 that it's gonna be dated, like in two days, because something's gonna happen. 605 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:15,679 I was like, let's at least wait for the coach and Higher, 606 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,920 so then like I feel like five seconds after that, basically Doc Rivers gets 607 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,079 hired. You wrote about this for Forbes. It was a really good article 608 00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:27,119 where you're focusing on you know, the xs and os he brings, like 609 00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,400 that's one focus, but there's gonna be the emotional aspect of how he juggles 610 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,119 what's going on with this team? What did you How do you feel though 611 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,000 overall about the Higher? Is there anything you specifically like about it or that 612 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:45,679 you are super concerned about? Yeah, you know, before he became available, 613 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,559 and it was pretty clearly going to be either Mike D'Antoni or Tailu, 614 00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:54,760 I was pretty pretty team tie, mostly just because the MDA fit with Mbiad 615 00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:00,280 in particular had me nervous and I you know, I have a half written 616 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,760 Forbes article that will never see the Light of Day that was titled six Ers. 617 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,000 Hiring Mike D'Antoni wouldn't force a Joel and Bead trade dot dot dot yet. 618 00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:13,280 So so, I mean, I think Doc is kind of the best 619 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,239 of both worlds, right, So he, like Ty, has the championship 620 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:23,440 experience, like MDA, He's got the experience dealing with a bunch of different 621 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:29,000 superstars, and he just has more coaching experience in general, whether it's you 622 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,079 know, the Big Three in Boston, the Lab City Clippers now Kawai and 623 00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:36,039 Paul George. So he's used to dealing with guys with big egos, which 624 00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:40,159 is good some of the stuff that has come out both from Kevin and Arnovits 625 00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:45,519 in twenty eighteen, he kind of did a post mortem on the Lab City 626 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:52,000 Clippers and you know, more or less said like Doc was not blameless with 627 00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:57,679 regard to the chemistry issues that plague that team. And then you know, 628 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:04,719 Johan or Yo ban Bou of the Athletic As did a piece in January, 629 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,440 I believe, starting kind of hinting at some behind the scenes chemistry issues and 630 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,840 a lot of Clippers people got mad at him. And then you know, 631 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:22,199 after Doc left departed mutually whatever published another article where it kind of again said 632 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:30,599 like Doc was not necessarily great in terms of reaching all of these guys, 633 00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:34,840 and he had to bridge the gap between these hired guns in Kawai and Paul 634 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,559 George and then you know the last year's team that overachieved with Montrez, Lu 635 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:43,599 Williams, Pat Bev all these guys, and he couldn't quite fit the puzzle 636 00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:49,039 pieces together. So, you know, do I think that Doc Rivers is 637 00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:53,039 going to be single handedly the difference between a first round sweep and a championship 638 00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:58,079 next year? No? I do, Like I love Brett Brown. I 639 00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:00,360 think Brett Brown's a great guy. Hope he gets back in the league somewhere. 640 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:06,039 I up until this year, I was not in favor of firing him. 641 00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:09,119 I thought the speculation last year was pretty unfair. I do think, 642 00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:13,480 and Brett even said it after they got swept. Now he said, I 643 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,679 didn't do a great job with this roster this year, Like I just couldn't 644 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,800 quite figure out how to make it work, and I don't know whether anyone 645 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,880 can. I mean, you know, it's we'll get into it, but 646 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:28,519 there are some major fit questions with the principal pieces involved and it's not going 647 00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:30,559 to be easy to move off with some of them. So I mean, 648 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,719 I'm excited to see what Doc brings to the table. I think his experience 649 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,760 with a non shooting point guard in Rondo and a guy like Blake Griffin who's 650 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,440 a big guy who can also pass really well, that intrigues me with how 651 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,920 he's going to use Simmons. And that's really you know, going into this 652 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,440 when whenever his presser is like, that's the question I want him to answer, 653 00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:54,280 is like, what do you envision Ben Simmons role being on offense, 654 00:41:54,400 --> 00:42:00,159 especially in the half court. You know, he had KG in Boston and 655 00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:04,559 DeAndre Jordan with the Clippers, so like he's coached some all star bigs as 656 00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:08,039 well, like that should give him more familiarity with an archetype like embiid Rat 657 00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:12,880 versus a guy like D'Antoni where you can't see the fit working. And then 658 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:19,079 you know Woad mentioned it in his story, Tobias Harris had a career two 659 00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,880 halves of a year, I guess with the DUC and the Clippers. So 660 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,639 I'm excited to see if he can you know, tap back into that because 661 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,480 you know, the Sixers gave him a five year, one hundred and eighty 662 00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:34,280 million dollar contract last summer, and they need to get more return on investment 663 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,320 than that than they did this year. If there's the Tobias Harris Emmon is 664 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,119 one I didn't think about. I will say, though, so you talk 665 00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:45,079 about like the behind the scenes stuff, and I have a follow up question 666 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:49,000 about that in a second, And I think that's obviously concerning based off the 667 00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:52,719 struggles he seemed to have with two different iterations of the Clippers. That being 668 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,440 said, even with the Clippers offense, while they were like good this year, 669 00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:00,760 it just felt like there was I don't say no rhyme or reason to 670 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,960 it, because that's just mean, like there just wasn't a flow. And 671 00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:08,840 for a team like Philly that desperately needs something resembling a flow on offense, 672 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,679 that's what's gonna worry me about. Doc. But then when you mentioned to 673 00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:15,760 buy his Harris, I'm like, you know, those that Clippers team after 674 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,760 the Blake Griffin trainer, like that was genuinely fun. They did some cool 675 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,920 stuff, and perhaps that's the hope, but my biggest concern is, like, 676 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:28,159 well he was there dealing with that where they were devoid of superstar egos, 677 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,599 and now you're coming into a Sixers organization where it feels like they've emboldened 678 00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:37,119 Ben Simmons and Joel and Beat specifically to the point of entitlement. And I'm 679 00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:42,000 not sure how accurate that would be. And his doc really gonna lay the 680 00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:45,199 hammer down like it seems like they might be more On the one hand, 681 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,079 I'm like, I hate when people and I feel like I've mentioned this a 682 00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:51,800 zillion times now on this podcast. I hate when people box coaches into a 683 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,440 corner or like try and pigeon hole them, and I feel like it happens 684 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,519 a lot with blackhead coaches, where it's like they're great motivators and you're not 685 00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:00,960 really focusing on like what they do as a tactician. Here, I'm actually 686 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,800 worried about, like is he going to be the one to inspire this team 687 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,159 or discipline this team because we know he's I wouldn't say he's just laid back 688 00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:14,360 as I'm like Mike D'Antoni feels like, but they don't practice, Like are 689 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,760 they going to practice during the regular season? They're probably not gonna have shoot 690 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,199 arounds like that became a thing. Is he gonna get away from that? 691 00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:22,440 Because it seems like this team might need that type of structure, and it's 692 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,119 something that I think Jimmy Butler said it like maybe more bluntly, and then 693 00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:29,920 I feel like JJ Reddick is hinted at it a couple of times. It 694 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,800 feels like this team needs that type of structure. And I'll give Doc the 695 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,719 benefit of the doubt that I think all head coaches, with the exception of 696 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,960 Tom Thibeau and Jim Boylan, are more adaptive than anyone gives some credit for. 697 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,599 So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt there. But like, 698 00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:45,000 that's a real thing that needs to happen where I feel like if he takes 699 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,679 the approach that he had even with the non superstar Clippers, like that he 700 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,280 had for a season and a half, however long it was, I don't 701 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,639 know that that ends up working with this team. Yeah, I completely agree 702 00:44:55,679 --> 00:45:00,800 with you. Josh Richardson after they got swept, like straight out said they 703 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,000 did not have accountability this year and they need more of it next year. 704 00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:07,239 And you know, as much as I make fun of hashtag heat culture, 705 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,519 you know he's coming from that organization and that was the one he started his 706 00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:14,920 career with. That's the only other one he's known. So for him to 707 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,920 come to Philly and just bluntly say like, we didn't have this and we 708 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,800 need it, it was a wake up call and that was a lot, 709 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,480 you know, after Brett got fired, that was a prevailing theme and the 710 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,960 Zoom call with Elton Brand was like, how do you establish this culture of 711 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,440 accountability? And you know, he said it starts with him and the front 712 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,039 office, but it's going to trickle down to the coaches and the players. 713 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:45,599 So we had tomare Azarli of Clutch Points on our pod yesterday. You know, 714 00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:47,639 he's based in LA has been covered in the Clippers for a while now, 715 00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:53,480 so he had some good insight into just how you know, the team's 716 00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:59,719 responded to Doc, and he said he's optimistic that he can. Like he 717 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,920 think one of the big selling points for Doc is that he will get Ben 718 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,639 and Joel to buy in. Now, how long that lasts, I think 719 00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:09,599 is the big question. But I think at first, you know, I 720 00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:15,599 do think the Sixers team just needed a new voice in the front of the 721 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:21,119 room. And you know, I don't think Doc rivers Like I don't know 722 00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:24,519 that he's you know, a top five tactician in the league. But I 723 00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:28,679 don't think he's like Jim Boylan or Luke Walton like I think he's in that 724 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,320 you know, that that gray area in the middle where it's like he's not 725 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:36,159 spole Aster's not Popovich, He's not Rick Carlisle. But you know, I 726 00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:40,119 think he is a genuinely good coach in a number of facets. He has 727 00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:45,679 some stubborn tendencies, and tomare highlighted. You know, he was stuck with 728 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:52,280 Mantrez over Zoobach in the playoffs for way too long against Denver, so you 729 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:57,039 know, you have to worry about if they don't make major moves this offseason 730 00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,039 as least you're like, stubbornly try to force the out Horford thing, even 731 00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:05,280 though we saw it doesn't really work that well. You know, one of 732 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,000 the things I wanted in their next coach, regardless of who it was was. 733 00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:13,280 You know, you just need to experiment in the regular season and try 734 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,519 out different things. I think if we've if the playoffs have underscored one thing, 735 00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:22,119 it's that versatility in this day and age is gonna win more often than 736 00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:24,639 not, and teams are you know, when you get to the playoffs teams 737 00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:28,480 are gonna be able to take away or try to take away. They know 738 00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:32,559 what your strengths are, they're gonna specifically target those. So if you have 739 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,639 ways to adapt and you've practiced those throughout the regular season, then you're not 740 00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:40,639 going to be caught off guard. But if you've been playing the same way 741 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,960 every game, like you know, Mike Budenholzer's bucks, and then a team 742 00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:49,760 figures out to strategy to stop you, then you're like, oh, right, 743 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,199 maybe we should have tried something else to the regular season. Like that's 744 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:57,840 what you know with spo in the zone. As much as it's fun to 745 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,880 say zone is for cowards, like the Heat broke it out a lot in 746 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:06,440 the regular season, and it paid major dividends in the playoffs. So you 747 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,599 know, I hope Doc can take his experience from you know, both Lob 748 00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:15,559 City and this past year's Clippers team and realize some of the shortcomings. But 749 00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:17,119 then also we'll see how he fills out his staff too. I mean, 750 00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:22,480 we saw Wog mentioned Alvin Gentry as a possibility for one of his assistant coaches. 751 00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:27,280 Based on what I've heard from some New Orleans guys, they seem to 752 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,679 love that fit. So you know this is not a finished product, either 753 00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:37,679 coaching staff or roster at the moment. Yeah, I think the bigger thing 754 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,079 for me is like it doesn't matter whether they hire mikey Antoni or Tylu. 755 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,840 It's the personnel rather than the coach that's going to define this team because it's 756 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,679 such a you know, round peg, square hole situation, square peg, 757 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,840 roundhole. Over it goes And to that point, I'm gonna say, there's 758 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,239 one more time for the people in the back. And we've gotten pushedback on 759 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,840 this on this podcast, specifically from listeners whom love everything on to you. 760 00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:02,639 You do not move Joel and beat or Ben Simmons. It's not happening right 761 00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:07,239 now. Like it's just it's not happening. You don't default to giving up 762 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,880 two top fifteen players unless you assume you don't have a way out. And 763 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,519 as bad as their books look right now, they don't know for a fact 764 00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:16,199 that they can't figure out something else to do because they haven't tried it, 765 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,840 like see what they can do over the offseason. First to that point though, 766 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,280 because they are in and look, the other thing is like they've been 767 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,239 a net plus together on a court, the court for the past three years. 768 00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:31,480 This season was like the closest they came to not being a net positive 769 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,760 on the court. I think might not. Yeah, so plus one point 770 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,920 eight points per one hundred possessions per cleaning the glass, Like that's not an 771 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:45,280 offensive rating in the twenty second percent tile, which is so bad. But 772 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,840 because they're not the perfect fits, how much does it matter that they seemingly 773 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,760 don't like each other? And people can point to like Kobe and Shack or 774 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:59,119 the lob City error Clippers, and here would be my rebukes, Kobe and 775 00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:04,039 Shack one type this team has not. And I actually wouldn't use the Lobsity 776 00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:07,079 Clippers as like a good example, because they fell apart like in the playoffs 777 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:12,559 at points and there was like this grading aura about them, like that you 778 00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,159 could just sense even when they were at their peak, and like I feel 779 00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:19,840 like even JJ Reddick then might have hinted at it. So how much then, 780 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,599 does it actually matter that they don't like each other? Or don't I 781 00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:25,639 mean, I don't love each other. I don't even know how to put 782 00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:28,639 it, Like, do they actually hate each other? I'm like, but 783 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,239 how much doesn't matter that their relationship isn't Let's say it's not peachy Keene, 784 00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:36,199 right. I mean, they're not like Jaalen Brown and Jason Tatum, who 785 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,079 genuinely seem to like each other and you you know, fit well on the 786 00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:43,960 court together. You cannot envision a Boston Celtics future in which both of those 787 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,840 guys aren't there for the next five years, like I can very easily envision 788 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:52,239 the Sixers future and which one of Ben or Joe is not there, you 789 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,599 know, even in a few years. I'm with you that, you know. 790 00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:01,119 Right now, I think they want to see what what Doc brings to 791 00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:06,440 the table and how he can get these guys working in concert with each other 792 00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:13,559 and then also with whatever supporting cast is in place. During Brand's conference about 793 00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:16,800 firing Brett, he said, straight up, I'm not trading these guys this 794 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:21,039 offseason. They're twenty four and twenty six. They want to be here for 795 00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:24,480 a long time. We want to better compliment them now. That will be 796 00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:29,360 easier set than done. But you know, I would hope, I mean, 797 00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:34,239 I'm hoping they're watching the finals right now, because like that is you 798 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,440 know, Lebron James and Anthony Davis would be the end goal for those two 799 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:44,000 guys. You know in theory they have similar like Ben has a similar skill 800 00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:47,280 set and build to Lebron and be could be the Anthony Davis not saying those 801 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:52,800 guys are there yet, They're not Lebron and ATR significantly better than Ben and 802 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,760 Joel, But you know, seeing how those guys are working and have really 803 00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:00,480 dominated these playoffs, you know, they're two wins away from a ring right 804 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,440 now, and it doesn't seem like Miami has a chance to stop him. 805 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:10,320 So, like it would not shock me if things go south this year, 806 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:15,119 if we really do start to have the conversation of trading one of Ben or 807 00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:19,840 Joe, and I think it would probably be Joe on the move, just 808 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:24,840 because I mean, he hasn't been shy about admitting that he was really pissed 809 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:31,599 off that they did not bring back JJ Reddick and Jimmy Butler. Yeah no, 810 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:36,159 and yeah, he was on Reddick's podcast, I think it was in 811 00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:40,000 August, and he said, like the offseason changes, like I just wasn't 812 00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:44,880 having fun playing basketball this year, Like I was mentally checked out. I 813 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,199 was like kind of going through the motions, and that's just not not only 814 00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,320 is it not what you want to hear from the your franchise center from the 815 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,280 guy you're paying that much money. But like you have to wonder if things 816 00:52:55,320 --> 00:53:00,239 don't change or we're just going to get sixty percent Joe. I mean you 817 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,760 could see it this season like he'd I don't want to play like body language 818 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,920 doctor, but like the Joel Embiid that was here this year was not the 819 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:14,320 same player that was here last year. And if you know the fifth issues, 820 00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:16,679 you could see it on defense at points it felt like he was dominant 821 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,119 defensively when he was on the corebine large, but like you could just see 822 00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:23,119 it on certain possessions. Yeah, So you know, if those fit issues 823 00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:28,000 continue, do we run into the same problems next year? And if so, 824 00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:31,519 then I think it's reasonable to start. You know, I'm not saying 825 00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:36,639 they're under any pressure to trade either one of these guys. Bend just signed 826 00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:38,400 the extension. He's locked up for five more years, and Beads still got 827 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,719 three more years on his deal. So you know, I feel like when 828 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,559 you're two years away from free agency, that's when we start to have the 829 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,800 so what are we doing here? Like are we married long term or not? 830 00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:54,920 Because you know then you can get if you wait till twenty twenty two. 831 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,400 Then it's like the Okay, he's going to demand a trade like Anthony 832 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,679 Davis and wars your hand. So yeah, I don't think Doc takes this 833 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,320 job. Honestly, if if you know el Brand, I'm sure he asked 834 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,159 Elton like, what's the plan here? Are we going to keep these guys? 835 00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:13,840 Where we open the trading one? And I you know, I don't 836 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,079 think he takes the job. If Elton's like, well, now we might 837 00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:20,000 trade it. We might trade Emp this offseason, I don't know. We'll 838 00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:24,199 see. Can it beat be the best player on a championship team. It's 839 00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:29,880 a really good question, and it's one I've been grappling with throughout the postseason 840 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,000 really because you know, he put up good numbers in that Celtics series, 841 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,960 I think average around thirty and twelve, and they got their heads beat in 842 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,440 four straight games. Now even look at that, was it the Raptors series 843 00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:44,239 last year where they like they lost that series during the minute he was not 844 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:45,440 on the floor, and so like that team went on to win the title, 845 00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:49,760 So that that would lend you to believe, oh, he can easily 846 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,000 be the best player on a championship team. Right. I mean they were 847 00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:54,920 plus I think it was plus ninety with him on the court, and I 848 00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:59,920 think it was minus one oh nine in ninety nine minutes with him off the 849 00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:05,239 court. So if they, like, if they just have a replacement level 850 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,039 backup setter, they probably win that series. And you could make the argument 851 00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:12,039 that they would go out to win the title last year. So you know, 852 00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:16,079 I think the question isn't necessarily em beats specifically. I think it's more 853 00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:22,440 just how championship teams are constructed in today's NBA, and I think you need 854 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,519 a star two way wing to have a legit chance at a title, and 855 00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,719 should have traded for one in the middle of last year named Jimmy Butler and 856 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,760 then resigned him. That'd been a good idea. I know it's crazy. 857 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:37,400 I just I wonder where they could have possibly gotten a star two way wing. 858 00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:39,840 But you know, as you said, I if they win the title 859 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,840 last year, Joel embiads the best player on that team, I think, 860 00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,639 But you know, Jimmy Butler is one A, one B with him, 861 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,039 so I think he needs that type of player next to him to win a 862 00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:57,239 title. Ken Ben Simmons develop into that player, hopefully, I mean, 863 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,920 that's what they're gonna need. I don't think Tobias hair Ken. So you 864 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:05,800 know, a lot of this ultimately, like it all still rides on Ben 865 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,480 and Joe, and I think they had a lot more margin for error a 866 00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:12,320 couple of years ago before they started making all these trades, and you know, 867 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,639 now their cap is there, their books are just totally shot, so 868 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:22,079 you know, they, like I regardless of what happens with them moving forward. 869 00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:24,320 I think those two guys, even though they are an imperfect fit, 870 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:30,119 could have won a title together. But I am wondering now if it's like, 871 00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:32,800 if they've made so many mistakes over the last few years that it might 872 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,280 be too far gone. And you know, maybe this iteration of the Sixers 873 00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:40,079 can't win a title together. But I don't think they're ready to give up 874 00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:46,440 on it quite yet. On the Ben Simmons side of this, how important 875 00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:51,840 is it or one? Do you ever see Ben Simmons expanding his range? 876 00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,280 I'm not even talking about to the three point line, like, how about 877 00:56:53,320 --> 00:57:00,079 outside the three foot line? Basically obviously hyperbolic? Do you ever see that 878 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,559 happening? And then ultimately though, how important is that happening? If you 879 00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:07,320 want the b partnership to work, because part of me is just like, 880 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,000 you know, if he even just hit more of his free throws, like 881 00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:13,320 maybe they would just be fine. But then I'm like, no, you 882 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,440 know, like there needs to be more variance to his offensive range. But 883 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,119 I honestly, I'm just curious as to what you think about if you want 884 00:57:20,119 --> 00:57:24,039 this partnership to work, and regardless of even if they put the right personnel 885 00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:28,800 around them at one point, like, does Ben Simmons need to expand his 886 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:34,719 offensive portfolio in some form? I think so. I mean, I think 887 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:40,039 the focus on it can be overblown at times because it tends to ignore everything 888 00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:44,719 else that he brings. You know, like if people are saying Ben Simmons 889 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,320 isn't the All Star because he can't shoot, like that's just objectively not true. 890 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,559 He's one of the best most versatile defenders in the NBA right now, 891 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,840 as evidenced by him being on the l NBA team. He's fantastic. You 892 00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,599 know, I wrote a piece for Forbes going into this past Sea and saying 893 00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:04,320 like that won't the jump shot alone will not make or break his season? 894 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,599 Does he take strides defensively? He's finishing around the rim. He's getting better, 895 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:12,880 but he can still improve in that regard as well. As you mentioned 896 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,320 the free throw percentage needs to go up. I think you know that in 897 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:21,559 concert with him finishing around the rim, Like if he is more confident in 898 00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:24,360 his ability to shoot free throws and he's a better finisher around the rim, 899 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,559 that's going to make him just a more effective offensive player, you know, 900 00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:34,559 and of itself. But ultimately, yes, like he does, he does 901 00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:37,440 need to eventually start taking jump shots. And I do think you know, 902 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,320 we saw it this past season when he hit the shot, I think it 903 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:45,480 was early against Cleveland and Brett Brown after the game is like, tell his 904 00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:47,880 friends, tell his manager, tell his agent. I want to see at 905 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,719 least one one three per game from Ben moving forward. And Ben didn't take 906 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:57,519 another three for I think twenty five games. So yeah, so that was 907 00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:00,960 not great. And you know, I think Doc will probably come in and 908 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,360 issue the same challenge, but we'll say, like, hey man, I'm 909 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,000 not messing around, like you're actually going to take at least one three a 910 00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:13,760 game because you know, Ben has been working on that shot. Everyone in 911 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,639 around six Ers pract like I'm not at the practices every day. I live 912 00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:21,039 in Baltimore and I would used to be in Nashville, so I'm like, 913 00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:25,719 not in Philly directly, but everyone around the team says like he's working on 914 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,239 it, and you know, he knows he needs to add it to his 915 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,679 game to hit his ceiling. Like you know, I think it's true for 916 00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:37,199 any NBA player like DeAndre Jordan would be a much better NBA player if he 917 00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:39,119 could hit three pointers. He never added that to his game, and that 918 00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:44,480 capped his ceiling. Ben Simmons, if he wants to hit that MVP level 919 00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,000 like he if he stagnates right now, he can be if you know, 920 00:59:49,159 --> 00:59:52,400 consistent All Star or fringe All NBA guy for the rest of his career. 921 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:57,920 That's cool, but he won't hit his ceiling like he could be, you 922 00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,679 know, top ten, top five, even if he's got a consistent jumper. 923 01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:08,800 So yeah, I mean, especially given you know Embiid's preference to work 924 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:14,840 down low and like just his dominance in that area of the court, you're 925 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:19,679 gonna need to put spaces around him. So you know, I think it 926 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,960 is something that ultimately it needs to come around if this thing is going to 927 01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:28,719 last beyond the next few years. But I don't think We're going to see 928 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,199 Ben Simmons bombing ten threes a night next year, either, I think it's 929 01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:36,280 going to be slower than a lot of people would like I do. I 930 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,079 think because of that though, like there's there is, as you mentioned, 931 01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:43,079 like an under appreciation for what he actually does, like a fantastic passer, 932 01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:46,079 but really his defense he might be. He has to be one of the 933 01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:50,679 three most versatile defenders in the NBA right now. When I was writing about 934 01:00:50,719 --> 01:00:52,559 this, like it was in an article I road semi recently, like his 935 01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:59,599 versatility and the b Ball indexes. Christa Narsho has the basic defensive versatility measurement 936 01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:05,880 and an everyone who played at least five hundred possessions this past season, only 937 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,360 o Gann and Obi James Harden, which is just funny because of how they 938 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:13,360 move him around to hide him, and Ronaldy Hollis Jefferson only graded out is 939 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,280 more versatile. And then you look at among everyone who played at least a 940 01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:22,239 thousand minutes this season, only Terrence Ferguson, Royce O'Neill and Tory Craig spent 941 01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,760 more time guarding number one options and so the workload that he carries, like 942 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,039 I know joel By is kind of the heart and soul of that defense because 943 01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:30,760 not of what he just does at the rim, because of what his presence 944 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,199 at the rim actually means, like it changes, it warps an entire team 945 01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:37,519 shot selection, like Ben Simmons can be in the defensive player of the Year 946 01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:43,119 conversation in any given season. And yet I think I'm in firm agreement with 947 01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:46,119 you. It's just that it feels you shouldn't be able to say this about 948 01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:51,880 a top fifteen player now top fifteen, top twenty. It feels like he's 949 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,480 like so far short of what his ceiling might be where it's like we're not 950 01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:59,159 even talking about it. I feel like if he had any semblance of a 951 01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,519 floater, a mid range jumper, like a stand still three pointer, of 952 01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:08,280 like like Aaron Gordon level like stand hill three pointer or something, we're looking 953 01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:12,679 at a top five player with multiple MVP awards, and that just like is 954 01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:15,880 I know, shooting is like this fundamental thing that we can't just say, 955 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,039 well, if he had this, like that's a big part of the game. 956 01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:20,400 So he doesn't have it at it matters, but he's already just so 957 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,719 good where it's it's it's similar to Jannis, where it's at least Yannis is 958 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:28,039 taking him though, but if Jannis was hitting his threes in the league average 959 01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:31,039 clip, like imagine like what that would mean for him. But Jannis is 960 01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:35,960 at the level where he's taking them like these, like you know, turnaround 961 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,280 jumpers or three pointers, and he's won multiple MVPs. Now, maybe even 962 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:42,960 Ben Simmons kind of like putting pressure on defenses, not necessarily the form of 963 01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:46,760 efficiency, but even volume, Like maybe that changes the perception of him a 964 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:51,239 little bit. Yeah, I mean I was listening to I think Stan van 965 01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,760 Gunny was on Howard Beck's podcast a while ago and they were talking about this, 966 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:58,079 and it was either Howard Becker Zach Well. I don't I think it 967 01:02:58,119 --> 01:03:00,400 was back though. I think it was back. I remember that. Yeah, 968 01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,320 yeah he was, And you know, Beck was making this point about 969 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,480 like, yes, Ben does a lot of things well, but ultimately like 970 01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:12,559 he does need to add this shot, and Stan van Gundy was pushing back 971 01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:15,599 a little bit because Beck brought up Jannis as well, and Stan Mcgunny's like, 972 01:03:16,119 --> 01:03:21,559 teams aren't guarding Ghannis, like they're goading him into that shot. So 973 01:03:21,719 --> 01:03:27,119 I mean, it's it's tricky because I think during the regular season teams, 974 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,960 you know, you just don't have time to prepare for individual matchups every night, 975 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:36,119 so you might be able to like goad people into guarding Ben Simmons. 976 01:03:36,119 --> 01:03:38,599 But once you get into a playoff series, like teams will be inviting him 977 01:03:38,639 --> 01:03:43,559 to take that shot. I don't know that it necessarily changes their defensive tactics 978 01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:45,960 at all. They're going to leave him wide open until he proves that he 979 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:52,320 can hit you know, a reasonable percentage of them. But again, I 980 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:57,000 just think for like the psychological spacing aspect of it, I do think it 981 01:03:57,079 --> 01:04:00,519 is important for him to eventually add it. I don't want to compare him 982 01:04:00,639 --> 01:04:08,559 to Lebron at any point because like Lebron is just Lebron no matter what portion 983 01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:12,880 of his career you take him is better than current Ben Simmons. But you 984 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,679 know, it feels like he Ben is in the like O seven Lebron era 985 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:21,360 where you remember, like the Spurs Finals, they were just leaving Lebron wide 986 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:26,400 open and daring him to shoot, and he would and just like it was 987 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,159 a low efficiency strategy. You know, Oh seven Lebron didn't have Joel Embiide, 988 01:04:30,639 --> 01:04:34,639 so that that can hide some of Ben's weakness. But you know, 989 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:42,320 Lebron didn't start winning rings until he added that credible jump shot. So again, 990 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,840 I think it's going to be a slow process. I don't think this 991 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,360 happens, you know, I don't think he's going to hit a high volume 992 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:53,800 of threes next year at a respectable percentage. I would love to be wrong, 993 01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:57,199 but I just think it's going to take more time than that. But 994 01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,199 I mean, I think, you know, again, like that, that's 995 01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:04,800 one of the big questions for Doc is like how do you get him to 996 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:11,880 this point? And he saw that was openly like pining for Ben Simmons threes 997 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,599 in the press, right, and like we saw, you know, Doc, 998 01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:17,960 with Blake Griffin, we saw Blake overtime. Blake Griffin came in the 999 01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:23,599 league with the reputation of like just a dunker, doesn't do anything from beyond 1000 01:05:23,639 --> 01:05:28,360 five feet, and like, over time has developed into a pretty good shooter 1001 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,599 for a big man. So he did more pull up threes in twenty eighteen, 1002 01:05:31,639 --> 01:05:35,199 twenty nineteen, and rookie Trey Young there, Yeah, that's how about 1003 01:05:35,239 --> 01:05:41,679 Blake Griffin came that that is the trajectory you would like for Ben Simmons to 1004 01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:44,480 take over time. But again, how you know how many years did that 1005 01:05:44,519 --> 01:05:48,079 take for Blake Griffin to get to that point? So, like, bottom 1006 01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:53,079 line, yes, it's important, No, it's not the only thing he 1007 01:05:53,159 --> 01:05:57,400 needs to improve upon, you know, this offseason, next season whatever. 1008 01:05:57,519 --> 01:06:00,639 Like the finishing around the rim and the free throws I think are equally important 1009 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:06,599 with regard to his offensive upside. Here's I think an interestingly difficult question. 1010 01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:13,840 Who's more important to the Sixers future batist Thible, Josh Richardson or Shake Milton. 1011 01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,239 So I actually don't think this is that difficult, right, Well, 1012 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:21,400 then I'm not touch well well, and here's why. So, I mean, 1013 01:06:21,559 --> 01:06:26,199 Josh Richardson in a vacuum is the best player of those three. But 1014 01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,920 you know he's going to be a free agent in twenty twenty one, and 1015 01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:32,920 again, I mean, we'll see what happens with Doc. I think clearly 1016 01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:36,360 that his first year in six Ers Land did not go as he would have 1017 01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:42,360 liked. He didn't play as well as he would have hoped. And you 1018 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,920 know, I I love Josh Richardson and I think, you know, this 1019 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,800 was probably just a bad year and hope he's a lot better next year. 1020 01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:53,760 But I guess there there is a question of whether he's a great fit next 1021 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,960 to Ben and Joel, just because you know, they tried to try him 1022 01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,840 as a backup point guard that did not work very well. Great defender, 1023 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:05,280 but not a consistent three point shooter, and you need guys to be able 1024 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:10,760 to knock down three. So if that high volume doesn't come, you wonder 1025 01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,639 whether he has a long term place and ultimately, if they're going to make 1026 01:07:14,679 --> 01:07:18,239 bigger moves this offseason, you know, he's on a very affordable contract. 1027 01:07:18,679 --> 01:07:23,039 You could use him as part of the bait to get off of one of 1028 01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:27,000 Orford to Bias. So I think it comes down to Shake and Thible, 1029 01:07:27,679 --> 01:07:30,559 and it's really just which do you prioritize defense versus offense? And I think 1030 01:07:31,159 --> 01:07:35,920 for the Sixers specific needs next to Ben and Joel, I think shake, 1031 01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:40,400 Especially on the contract that he's on, it's three years, you know, 1032 01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:47,159 one point some minim million dollars per year. Given the Sixers financial issues, 1033 01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:53,199 I think like he's basically their best hope of getting out of this thing and 1034 01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:59,039 keeping that pairing intact. So I would go shake here, And that's with 1035 01:07:59,079 --> 01:08:02,400 all due respect a Bibel who you know is a fantastic defender already, but 1036 01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:05,840 the shot is just so inconsistent. And again, like next to Ben and 1037 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:12,119 Joel specifically, you need guys to be able to actually knock down, catch 1038 01:08:12,119 --> 01:08:14,920 and shoot threes. Yeah, and look, I mean like he's never gonna 1039 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,159 be or it doesn't look like he profiles as the guy that's gonna like dribble 1040 01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:20,600 a lot in anything. Either. No, I would have the So I 1041 01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:24,720 didn't realize shake Milton was under contract for three more years. That's just I 1042 01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,560 guess something that kind of flew under the radar for me. So I get 1043 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,439 that pick, and with Josh Richardson hitting free agency in twenty twenty one, 1044 01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,239 I understand why he wouldn't be bick but for me, he almost was, 1045 01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:35,880 because it feels like they need functional shooting with a little bit of ball handling, 1046 01:08:36,119 --> 01:08:39,319 and like he can. I know he was inconsistent last year, but 1047 01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:41,399 if you gave him like a little bit better space, and I feel like 1048 01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,880 he could be that guy. But then when you're looking at affordability just impending 1049 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:47,800 free agency in general, it would be hysterical if he ends up with the 1050 01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:53,760 heat in twenty twenty one. By the way, if he if he lasts 1051 01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,239 two seasons in Philly, he might just be like foaming at the mouth to 1052 01:08:57,239 --> 01:09:00,159 get back to the Heat culture and maybe he'll go back there. But with 1053 01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:02,640 Shake under contract that's for the next three years, it under a total of 1054 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:06,439 six million dollars. That's a really good point. But like that just puts 1055 01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:11,640 like an awful lot of pressure on him because he looked overmatched at times during 1056 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:16,039 the postseason. I don't know how much of a learning curve you can afford 1057 01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:20,800 to give him when your hopes are so immediate, right, Yeah, I 1058 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:26,039 don't think he should be a full time point guard. I think he profiles 1059 01:09:26,079 --> 01:09:29,039 as a combo like he can be a ball handler, but I think probably 1060 01:09:29,079 --> 01:09:32,760 better off as a secondary ball handler rather than primary. And again this goes 1061 01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:36,359 back to like the what is Ben Simmons' role in the half court offense? 1062 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,239 Is? Is he a point guard? Is he your full time point guard 1063 01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:45,359 or not? Because that's going to lead into what types of players are you 1064 01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,760 going after this offseason? Yeah, I mean, like again, I think 1065 01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:53,800 Josh is going to have a better year next year, and like part of 1066 01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:58,600 me hopes that he looks at the landscape in twenty twenty one and you know, 1067 01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:03,319 it's with the co COVID financial uncertainty, we just don't know how much 1068 01:10:03,399 --> 01:10:06,880 cap space there's going to be, and like, maybe he decides to take 1069 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:11,640 a short term extension, because then my answer might pivot to him instead. 1070 01:10:13,039 --> 01:10:15,119 But yeah, I have a piece coming out at fan Sided in a few 1071 01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:21,520 weeks about the Sixers in twenty thirty and it's basically just the most bleak projection 1072 01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:26,760 of like what how these series of missteps can continue? And one of them 1073 01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,840 does involve Josh Richardson going back to the Heat in twenty twenty one. So 1074 01:10:31,359 --> 01:10:36,199 good, good call there. I'm not sure to what extent you've I'm like, 1075 01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,520 I would say, shin deep in draft prep at this point, which 1076 01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,720 is not high at all. It's like a little higher than ankles, but 1077 01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,840 not much higher than that. Is there anyone that you like for the Sixers 1078 01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:49,840 that you think could be available at number twenty one? Or is you're just 1079 01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,920 an expectation that it doesn't even really matter because whoever they're taking is not going 1080 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,760 to start the season on the roster. It's yeah, that's a fair question. 1081 01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,399 What if they sell the pick? I will write a three thousand word 1082 01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:09,399 scri screet at Forbes just raging about it. But I mean that is one 1083 01:11:09,399 --> 01:11:12,079 of their big trade chips. Not only twenty one, but they have two 1084 01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:17,119 early seconds plus two seconds in the further down in the round. So again, 1085 01:11:17,159 --> 01:11:20,479 if they are trying to move off of one of Horford or to Bias, 1086 01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:26,680 I would expect those would be up for grabs. I think ultimately they're 1087 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:30,239 going to need a point guard and some capacity. Having one functional point guard 1088 01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:34,479 on the roster might help, And luckily it seems like in that range there 1089 01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:40,520 actually should be a decent number of them. Kira Lewis, if he slips, 1090 01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,439 I think would be a good fit. I know some people on six 1091 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,680 ers Twitter. I don't know if it's at twenty one or maybe it's one 1092 01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:50,439 of these early seconds. But Desmond Baine's gotten some hype, Grant Riller's gotten 1093 01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:54,960 some hype because I think, no, ultimately you need ball handlers and shooters 1094 01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:59,880 like you've got forwards, got centers were set there, no more bigs, 1095 01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:02,680 please, you know, go go after point guard, shooting guard, those 1096 01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:09,359 types. Tyrese Maxie is another guy if he falls that far. Johnnius, 1097 01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,800 Ramsey, Jamieus. I don't know how you say his name but the kid 1098 01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,399 from Texas Tech, you know, any of those options, Like, I 1099 01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,600 think they're actually in you know, all of these teams the top ten to 1100 01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:25,079 try to trade down because they don't want they're like, oh, we don't 1101 01:12:25,079 --> 01:12:28,119 like any of these guys that much. I think at twenty one the sixers 1102 01:12:28,119 --> 01:12:31,199 are actually probably gonna have some good options, and even at thirty four and 1103 01:12:31,319 --> 01:12:38,000 thirty six, so given their financial reality over the next couple of years, 1104 01:12:38,039 --> 01:12:43,439 like this may be their best chance to add some very inexpensive young talent, 1105 01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,359 and I genuinely hope they take advantage of it. Yeah, I'm like, 1106 01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,319 it's I don't want to say it sucks. Like they're in a situation where 1107 01:12:49,359 --> 01:12:51,920 there could be some intriguing players to me that would fall, Like they could 1108 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:56,319 be great swing pieces, but like if they still have questions about their jo, 1109 01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,119 Like if it's an RJ. Hampton or Cole Anthony who falls, it's 1110 01:12:59,159 --> 01:13:00,840 like maybe you should gem on them. But it's like, well, like 1111 01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,239 if if they're jumpers don't pan out, well, then like you're just completely 1112 01:13:04,279 --> 01:13:09,199 screwed. I'd be interested to see whether they could. I just don't have 1113 01:13:09,239 --> 01:13:12,000 a feel for this draft at all, even reading like the mocks and the 1114 01:13:12,319 --> 01:13:15,000 big boards. Is I don't know, like who's gonna fall where like a 1115 01:13:15,279 --> 01:13:17,560 I've fallen in love with Patrick Williams. There's always a guy or two that 1116 01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,960 just fall in love with who's not like one of the top top guys. 1117 01:13:21,279 --> 01:13:24,840 And he was like mocked like in the low twenties at one point, and 1118 01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,760 now he's like like number seven on people's big boards, and so it's like, 1119 01:13:29,319 --> 01:13:30,359 I don't think they could afford it even if he was there, which 1120 01:13:30,399 --> 01:13:34,279 I don't think he would be his jumpers too and established for them to probably 1121 01:13:34,279 --> 01:13:39,079 give him a chance. But I'm wondering if because it's this draft where it's 1122 01:13:39,079 --> 01:13:41,359 so hard to have a feel for it, like do you have the you 1123 01:13:41,359 --> 01:13:44,159 know, when you're talking about smaller scale moves instead of swinging for the fences, 1124 01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:45,640 do you have like a little bit of juice to move up and maybe 1125 01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,920 get in a position to get like a Sadique Bay or Devin Vassell. I 1126 01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,920 don't know. I don't know where those guys are going. Are they gonna 1127 01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,239 go inside the top ten outs. If they're going inside the top ten, 1128 01:13:54,279 --> 01:13:56,760 then no, you probably don't have the juice in there. If they're gonna 1129 01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,920 fall outside the top ten. Well, then it's like, well, you 1130 01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,920 know, maybe, but I'm kind of I kind of almost default on I 1131 01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,800 think that this pick is eventually just going to be traded. Yeah. I 1132 01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,279 leaned toward that as well, whether as you said, it could be a 1133 01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:15,039 trade up or I mean, I think most likely, even more than a 1134 01:14:15,079 --> 01:14:18,800 trade up is if if they're trading this pick, they're probably trying to get 1135 01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:26,199 out of Horford in particular. So before I get into that Horford Tobias Harris 1136 01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:29,079 stuff, the Sixers are going to use the mini mL E, right, 1137 01:14:29,399 --> 01:14:31,920 Like, do we need to do we need to worry about their governors not 1138 01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:36,680 ponying up the five million and change whatever it's gonna end up being, I 1139 01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:41,560 hope. So I don't know. I mean, they've they've sworn that they 1140 01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,239 were willing to pay the luxury tax. Well, they're not gonna have a 1141 01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:47,680 choice on that next season, right right, right. But I mean that 1142 01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:54,039 is part of the problem is that I think they built this roster assuming the 1143 01:14:54,079 --> 01:14:58,720 cap would continue going up. I mean, by all reasonable projections, it's 1144 01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:04,000 going to stay at So they're already going to be about seventeen million over the 1145 01:15:04,039 --> 01:15:09,640 tax line and Once you start to get into that like twenty to twenty five 1146 01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:14,399 million dollars over range, it gets really expensive really quickly. Like a five 1147 01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,279 million dollar contract ends up costing you, I think close to twenty five to 1148 01:15:17,359 --> 01:15:23,840 thirty million ultimately. So you know, that's probably another question that I hope 1149 01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:28,720 Doc Rivers asked it. This is what are you guys gonna cheap out or 1150 01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,960 like you do you have you know, empty pockets like uh like Balmer that 1151 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:38,600 you just don't care? I would hope that they do, and I think 1152 01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:45,000 again, a point guard's probably the way to go here. Well, you 1153 01:15:45,039 --> 01:15:48,479 know, I mean last year they spend it on Mike Scott, which backfired 1154 01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:54,239 significantly because he as much as I love Mike and you know he is, 1155 01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,720 you shined fucking out, Horford. What are you doing burning that money on 1156 01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:01,760 Mike Scott after doing that? It blows my mind? Like Mike played well, 1157 01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:06,079 and I think he had some you know, like clearly the locker room 1158 01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:10,079 loves him. His look, he has a Moji's tattooed on him. He's 1159 01:16:10,119 --> 01:16:13,359 clearly a legend. But like, yeah, like what are you like? 1160 01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:18,319 The decision making there was worst than questionable. Yeah, it was a complete 1161 01:16:18,319 --> 01:16:21,800 misallocation of resources, Like if you bring him back on a minimum contract, 1162 01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,239 great, but don't use I think they ended up using the room exception on 1163 01:16:26,319 --> 01:16:29,319 him, and it was just like, you know, it's just such a 1164 01:16:29,359 --> 01:16:32,880 low key mistake compared to what they gave to Bias an Owl that it flies 1165 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:39,439 under the radar. But I think it was similarly detrimental to their because like 1166 01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:43,159 they had to rely on Howell Netto and Trey Burke for most of the year, 1167 01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:46,439 and tray Burke fell into Brett Brown's doghouse like NonStop, and so they 1168 01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:50,119 just did not have any good answer at backup point guard. And then when 1169 01:16:50,199 --> 01:16:53,880 Ben went down, it was like, all right, well, there goes 1170 01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,840 our best wing defender at our best point guard. The other thing is like, 1171 01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,960 couldn't you have like gotten obviously just on the point guard issue. But 1172 01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,159 they just seemed like so like why not Wesley Matthews, Like he only signed 1173 01:17:03,159 --> 01:17:06,199 for the minimum with Milwaukee, Like you couldn't have gotten him for the room 1174 01:17:06,199 --> 01:17:09,920 exception, And look at how important he ended up being to them. He'd 1175 01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:15,000 be fantastic defending Jimmy Butler. Relative to the task of defending Jimmy Butler in 1176 01:17:15,039 --> 01:17:19,119 the series that the Bucks lost. So it's just like even just you would 1177 01:17:19,119 --> 01:17:23,000 think that again, even if you couldn't get a point guard, like, 1178 01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:26,359 wouldn't you. I just feel like you default like a wing or like or 1179 01:17:26,399 --> 01:17:29,880 someone who's a little bit more plug and play or just at least not like 1180 01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,119 you signed Horford to play power forward and then I think the reality is to 1181 01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:35,439 bias, Harris is going to have to play like some minutes of power forward. 1182 01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:39,640 So why would you go ahead and then sign a four five with the 1183 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,600 room exception? Like, that's just bizarre. If you have you have four 1184 01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:47,399 bigs and Simmons and being Horford and Harris like you're good, your manants are 1185 01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:51,439 good. There, it's already impossible to fit all four of those guys where 1186 01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:55,560 they did to be. It was I really do think it was just like 1187 01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,760 trying to carry over some of the good vibes from last year and it just 1188 01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,680 totally backfired. So do you have like any free agents that you think could 1189 01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:06,880 fall in that price range that you like for the Sixers this offseason? Yeah, 1190 01:18:08,039 --> 01:18:11,920 So that's the problem. It gets really bleak at point guard after Fred 1191 01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,600 VanVleet. You know, I don't think Gord Drogic is a realistic target at 1192 01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,479 the taxpayer a MLI. I would love to be wrong about that, but 1193 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,079 it feels like, yeah, even when this torn plants are I don't I 1194 01:18:21,079 --> 01:18:25,680 don't know if that would lower his value enough. I still think he probably 1195 01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:29,399 feels like he's in line for like that huge one year windfall from Miami. 1196 01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,159 Yeah, that would be my guest too, that they'll just try to keep 1197 01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:35,239 him and Jay Crowder and then punt it to twenty twenty one. So I 1198 01:18:35,279 --> 01:18:41,760 think he's off the board. So like, I mean, it's fatigue maybe. 1199 01:18:42,199 --> 01:18:45,479 Yeah, I was gonna say Jeff Tigue or DJ Augustine are probably the 1200 01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:49,159 best bets, and it's you know, neither you feel great about. But 1201 01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:53,640 again, these aren't going to be You're not playing these guys thirty five minutes 1202 01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,439 a night. It's like, come off the bench, play fifteen to twenty 1203 01:18:56,439 --> 01:19:01,760 minutes. Reggie Jackson, maybe sure, play rondo. Let's just save him. 1204 01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:05,560 The state of the Sixers in the backcourt is such that it feels like 1205 01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,840 they can't lose Alec Burks, who's not even a point guard. But it's 1206 01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,039 just like, oh he can dribble and shoot. Someone else would be I 1207 01:19:13,039 --> 01:19:15,399 think would be a great fit, but I don't know. I know he's 1208 01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:20,079 a like a non bird RFA, but like I don't know or early bird 1209 01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:24,000 ARFA. Excuse me, but like Javon Carter would be perfect for this team, 1210 01:19:24,039 --> 01:19:28,439 I just don't know how like serious Phoenix like and the money that Philly 1211 01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,479 can give him, it's just like, well why, like why wouldn't Phoenix 1212 01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,079 just keep him at that point? And that's the other thing I struggle with 1213 01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:36,079 is like I almost thought, like, I know you want a point guard, 1214 01:19:36,079 --> 01:19:39,680 but like Ben Simmons is a really good passer, so like if you 1215 01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,800 like surrounded him with maybe a gallow or something like, you can't even work 1216 01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:47,560 out sign in trade scenarios because the Sixers are just so far past what the 1217 01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:51,239 expected apron is at this point, and so I don't know, I don't 1218 01:19:51,239 --> 01:19:55,920 know what you do because like you said, the point guard market is worse 1219 01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:00,000 than bare Bones at this point, and so I think Alec Burks ends up 1220 01:20:00,119 --> 01:20:02,199 being huge to keep for them, And then maybe is it does it make 1221 01:20:02,279 --> 01:20:04,760 more sense? Then if you assume that you like, let's say you can't 1222 01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:08,840 get in Augustine, you're not going to get a Druggish is there like something 1223 01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,319 too. Then well, if you can keep Alec Burks, it might just 1224 01:20:11,359 --> 01:20:13,960 be like, like, maybe we need to fill the roster with Kent Baysmore. 1225 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,079 It's just like guys who can who we know can shoot, but he 1226 01:20:16,079 --> 01:20:18,640 can facilitate a little bit, but guys we know who can shoot, rather 1227 01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:24,399 than trying to focus on the functional ball handling aspect. Yeah, I mean, 1228 01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:28,039 I totally agree with you about Alec Burks. You know, he was 1229 01:20:28,119 --> 01:20:31,640 one of the only guys on the team. You just like need guys without 1230 01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:36,199 a conscience who just like do not care and are willing to just fire away 1231 01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:40,920 because you know Ben is gonna find them. And like Tobias, I tweeted 1232 01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:44,840 a clip early in the season where he catches a pass above the break there's 1233 01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,960 no one within ten feet of them, and he didn't pull. He tried 1234 01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:51,439 to like drive in and called for an offensive bow. And I'm like, 1235 01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:57,800 if Tobias is not taking this shot, the Sixers are so much more screwed 1236 01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,119 than we realize. And little did I know how prophetic that would be. 1237 01:21:00,359 --> 01:21:03,319 So yeah, I would love to see Alec Burks. I have no idea 1238 01:21:03,399 --> 01:21:08,119 what kind of market he would have. My other thought is like Austin Rivers 1239 01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:12,600 as a minimum player option. Maybe he comes hangs out with his dad and 1240 01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,479 Philly. Maybe his dad's willing to give him more than Houston, just like 1241 01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,239 his dad was willing to give him more as an executive with the Clippers than 1242 01:21:17,279 --> 01:21:20,239 probably any other team on the face of this planet. Was that Was that 1243 01:21:20,279 --> 01:21:24,640 a twenty sixteen contract too? I can't remember because it was three years, 1244 01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:28,199 it was like forty two million. Well, look, Austin Rivers shot like 1245 01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:30,840 thirty six percent or something. I'll pull up threes this year, and like 1246 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,960 that's something the Sixers could And look, they have room to have both of 1247 01:21:33,039 --> 01:21:36,560 him and and out Burks on this roster quite flankly, like they like, 1248 01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:40,159 no either of those guys solve your point card issues. But it's like you 1249 01:21:40,199 --> 01:21:43,319 said, it feels like they just need the guys who who actually can shoot 1250 01:21:43,399 --> 01:21:47,239 and then are going to be willing to willing to shoot. Right, Yeah, 1251 01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:51,840 just fill out your backcourt with actual playable bodies because they did not have 1252 01:21:53,560 --> 01:22:00,199 really anything resembling that once Ben went down. So let's talk about this to 1253 01:22:00,319 --> 01:22:04,199 Buias Harris al Horford stuff. We'll start with the quick question whose contract is 1254 01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:09,960 worse, right, now. So al Horford has three years and eighty one 1255 01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:14,800 million dollars left, but only sixty nine million of which is guaranteed silver linings. 1256 01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,359 The Bias Harris is on the books for four years and one hundred and 1257 01:22:17,399 --> 01:22:23,680 forty seven point three million dollars. So which contract do you think is harder 1258 01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,760 to move? I mean, I've been of the mindset that Al is harder 1259 01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,640 to move, but I'm genuinely curious to get your take as well, because, 1260 01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,079 like it's you know, six or Twitter, I think has been overly 1261 01:22:33,119 --> 01:22:38,079 optimistic about how easy it is to move either of these guys. And I 1262 01:22:38,119 --> 01:22:43,600 think, especially given the financial constraints of this summer where so few teams have 1263 01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:48,079 cap space and they're just aren't. It's like you're gonna almost have to trade 1264 01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:54,119 a bad contract for a bad contract. But both of these guys are. 1265 01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:57,039 I mean, they're two of the worst contracts in the NBA. The only 1266 01:22:57,079 --> 01:23:01,600 reason I choose al Over to buy is one from a fit perspective. I 1267 01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:05,520 think you can talk yourself into okay if you move to Bias to the four 1268 01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:11,439 full time next to Joel, Like we've seen that work in twenty eighteen, 1269 01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:16,039 twenty nineteen, that look was pretty effective. I just don't see away unless 1270 01:23:16,039 --> 01:23:21,119 Al Horford, you know, gets new knees that he's gonna be sick. 1271 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:27,479 The fit between it wasn't him and am Being or him and Ben, it's 1272 01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,439 all three of those guys together. I think they averaged when they were on 1273 01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,159 the court this year. I think it was ninety nine point five points per 1274 01:23:33,159 --> 01:23:39,119 one hundred possessions, which seems just yeah, it's a little a little well, 1275 01:23:39,319 --> 01:23:43,319 not ideal. And like, defensively they were great, but like I 1276 01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:45,840 think Al Horford ultimately is best as a as a five on both ends of 1277 01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:51,039 the court at this stage of his career. So I just think, like 1278 01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:56,399 to bias, I know it's a bigger contract, but his age and like 1279 01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,119 you could still talk yourself into Okay, he's not a great defender, but 1280 01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:01,920 he can be like poor man's Carmelo. He'll give us, you know, 1281 01:24:02,039 --> 01:24:06,359 twenty low twenties and seven rebounds a game, and that's fine. Al Horford. 1282 01:24:06,359 --> 01:24:11,520 It's like, is this guy just totally watched, Like what can he 1283 01:24:12,039 --> 01:24:15,720 provide? Because you know that he had so many games this year where he 1284 01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:19,000 just looked bad on both ends of the court. Hey, I think he 1285 01:24:19,119 --> 01:24:25,239 really you're taking a bigger leap leap of faith if you're another team taking on 1286 01:24:25,319 --> 01:24:28,600 Al Horford right now than you are. To bias Harris, I'd agree with 1287 01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:31,359 you, mainly because of the bias Harris's age, Like he's only twenty eight 1288 01:24:31,399 --> 01:24:34,680 and it feels like he's thirty eight because he's played for a zillion NBA teams 1289 01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:39,399 and maybe the teams that are gonna be willing to take on that contract, 1290 01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:44,159 they might actually be like better teams that feel like they're a third option away 1291 01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:46,359 from being like a serious title contender, and he is more than fit to 1292 01:24:46,359 --> 01:24:50,840 do that, like he was a legitimate like number two during that year that 1293 01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:55,760 Gallo went off with the Clippers before he was traded to Philly, and so 1294 01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,359 like he can still be good, he's just not I think after seeing him 1295 01:24:59,359 --> 01:25:01,159 playing Tannem Jimmy Butler, like he's not the guy that's going to be that 1296 01:25:01,159 --> 01:25:05,079 type of table center or put the requisite pressure on the rim and crunch time 1297 01:25:05,279 --> 01:25:09,640 to really diversify your offense. And if there's a team that doesn't need him 1298 01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,920 to be that, where Philly so badly needs him to be that, I 1299 01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,119 think it's easier to justify that contract. Then the other thing with al Horford 1300 01:25:15,159 --> 01:25:18,479 is if you told me, because you're looking at the partial guarantee in the 1301 01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:21,039 final year, and it's like, well, then it's really only two years. 1302 01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:26,520 Like, how do you pay someone thirteen million dollars You're just not play 1303 01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:30,880 for you, and so it almost feels like you're forced to guarantee that kind 1304 01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:35,319 like that partial guarantee is monstrous. It's thirteen point five million, I think, 1305 01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,479 so, like that's just not something to get rid of, and so 1306 01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:43,159 you're almost almost are tying yourself to three years of it. And it's like 1307 01:25:43,199 --> 01:25:45,640 you said, worry about the injuries. If you could tell me he'd be 1308 01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:50,159 healthy, I might pick Al Horford here, I mean I might pick Tobias 1309 01:25:50,199 --> 01:25:54,399 Harris's contract. And also, losing the revenue is going to be tough. 1310 01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,560 But like when you're looking at their salaries, I think right now that you 1311 01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,680 can say don't look at their price tags in general, because both seem I'm 1312 01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:04,640 pro players getting paid good for these guys getting all their money, but for 1313 01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:08,399 a team from a team perspective, they're making too much. I think you 1314 01:26:08,399 --> 01:26:11,439 could say though, that Tobias Harris is going to be worth seven to eight 1315 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,600 million dollars more per year than our horror moving forward, which is what is 1316 01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,319 getting paid right now. And that's where I ultimately land on that. The 1317 01:26:17,319 --> 01:26:21,840 problem is that I don't think you can view Tobias Harris's contract then as an 1318 01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:26,560 asset. It's relative. It's an asset relative to like the lesser of two 1319 01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:31,199 evils, which isn't much of a selling point for these And so do you 1320 01:26:31,319 --> 01:26:35,199 think the sixers are one going to be looking to move one of them? 1321 01:26:35,399 --> 01:26:39,039 Because I'm sure they'd be willing, but like, is this something they're actively 1322 01:26:39,079 --> 01:26:42,399 going to look to do? And two if they are, like, are 1323 01:26:42,399 --> 01:26:45,800 they gonna be willing to glitz up the offers with the necessary buffers? And 1324 01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,720 I'm like, you know, number twenty one is fine, but like, 1325 01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,359 are you willing to go further out with the first round picture giving up? 1326 01:26:51,399 --> 01:26:55,800 Are you willing to include Thieble in this? Or you willing to include shake 1327 01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,680 Milton in this? How many is it? Like? And how many are 1328 01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:00,960 going to need? Because it feels like you're gonna need too sweeteners at least 1329 01:27:01,039 --> 01:27:03,319 to get off one of these deals. And if you're looking to get a 1330 01:27:03,319 --> 01:27:09,560 player who can actually like help you, it might be three, because if 1331 01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,920 the player coming back isn't on a bad contract, as you mentioned and like 1332 01:27:13,039 --> 01:27:16,119 that, that's like another hurdle that they have to clear. Yeah, and 1333 01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,840 I mean so I think if they're gonna try to trade one, they would 1334 01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:25,479 try to trade Horford first. You know. I think that the Doc Tobias 1335 01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:30,199 connection. I think they're probably curious to see if they can unlock him and 1336 01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:34,960 again the ages you mentioned, So I think Horford would be the guy just 1337 01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:40,800 because, like, ultimately, you don't need to be spending twenty eight million 1338 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:45,560 dollars twenty seven billion dollars on a backup center, which is what Al Horford 1339 01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,800 profiles as. Like they can say he's a four and he can play next 1340 01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:51,199 to one beat all they want. It's just not true. It's so annoying 1341 01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:54,199 on the sixth part, by the way, that we finally got to a 1342 01:27:54,279 --> 01:27:58,039 point where everyone recognized Al Horford as a center and then they signed him to 1343 01:27:58,079 --> 01:28:00,439 be a powerful It's like, well, I want to play power for it. 1344 01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:03,760 They're like, great, here's one hundred and nine million dollars. But 1345 01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:09,399 it's like, no, he's a center. It's just he can't chase defensively, 1346 01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:12,840 he can't chase force. They tried to play him and drop coverage as 1347 01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,319 a backup center. He couldn't do that either. It's like, and again, 1348 01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,640 as you mentioned that, the knees in particular give you some concern. 1349 01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:24,520 So like, I think they could pretty easily flip him, not easily flip 1350 01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,479 him, but if they were able to move him, I think they could 1351 01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:30,760 get a replacement level big in his place for a lot less money because like 1352 01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:34,279 they signed him as in part as they won't admit it, but part of 1353 01:28:34,319 --> 01:28:39,079 it was Mbient insurance. Like they got so rocked in that Raptor series whenever 1354 01:28:39,159 --> 01:28:41,439 it beat him off the court, they were like, okay, cool, 1355 01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,680 now we have a Horford, So for forty eight minutes night, we're gonna 1356 01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:46,640 have one of these guys like an all star center. In theory, on 1357 01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,880 the court, we shouldn't get blown off, but they just ignored, like, 1358 01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:54,279 oh, he we shouldn't be banking twenty eight million dollars. That's just 1359 01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:58,640 that's like great logic in theory, but not when it costs you one hundred 1360 01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:02,039 and nine million dollars. Yeah. Right, So you know, like sixers, 1361 01:29:02,079 --> 01:29:06,720 Twitter's favorite trade target is Buddy Healed and Jason Jones and The Athletic just 1362 01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:11,520 wrote a piece last night about him, because Buddy Healed has been feeding into 1363 01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:15,239 this on Twitter. He's been like liking all these Philly posts. He's open 1364 01:29:15,319 --> 01:29:20,000 disdain for the Kings even during contract extension talks. Was Yeah, I love 1365 01:29:20,039 --> 01:29:25,279 it, I love it. Probably probably not a great side. So like, 1366 01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:28,359 do I think the Kings are willing to move off of Buddy Healed? 1367 01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:31,960 Yes? Why would they be willing to move him for Al Horford? Like? 1368 01:29:32,039 --> 01:29:35,239 What would you have to include? That's that's kind of questions, Like 1369 01:29:35,239 --> 01:29:40,479 would they be willing to move Harrison Barnes for Al Horford? Like forget Buddy 1370 01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,399 Healed? To me, I'm like, are they going to do Barns for 1371 01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:47,399 Horford without getting like two sweeteners in return? Right? Right? Like that 1372 01:29:47,399 --> 01:29:50,640 that's the missing variable is how much do you have to include? Like I 1373 01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:55,439 think the Sixers would gladly give up twenty one or any combination of picks in 1374 01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:58,159 this year's draft because they'll just treat it as like, well, they're not 1375 01:29:58,199 --> 01:30:00,520 on a roster, so they aren't they aren't valuable. That's how they tend 1376 01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:06,600 to value picks in recent years. Zaire Smith, I think is like the 1377 01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:11,359 wild card that they don't care about and they just know it's not going to 1378 01:30:11,399 --> 01:30:15,560 happen in Philly. I don't know how much, if any trade value he 1379 01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:17,760 has. I think he's you know, probably just a lottery ticket at this 1380 01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:21,720 point. I don't think he like moves the needle on a buddy hell deal. 1381 01:30:24,039 --> 01:30:27,800 So, you know, I think they'll sniff around bigger names like that. 1382 01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,760 Chris Paul was of course a possible target as well, but who knows 1383 01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:38,039 with you know, I think his relationship with Doc probably nixes that, although 1384 01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:41,640 I didn't even really I totally forgot about that too. That's the point. 1385 01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:45,239 Yeah, apparently they've like since been on good terms, so maybe not, 1386 01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:48,199 and maybe, you know, maybe they, but I don't know. That 1387 01:30:48,239 --> 01:30:54,439 seems like if you're adding Chris Paul to already vollowed a locker rim situation, 1388 01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:59,039 that just seems like a recipe for a disaster. So, like, I 1389 01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,520 think they'll sniff around the bigger names. You know, Andrew Wiggins would be 1390 01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:08,159 another one where I could, like, they'll they'll place a call to Bob 1391 01:31:08,199 --> 01:31:12,239 Buyers and say, Andrew Wiggins, al Horford, how much more do you 1392 01:31:12,279 --> 01:31:15,720 want? You know, maybe Wigan. You know, it's mad if Andrew 1393 01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:19,279 Wiggins is the asset of that deal. I know he he has three years 1394 01:31:19,279 --> 01:31:24,359 and ninety four point two million dollars left on his deal. I believe I've 1395 01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:27,359 clearly ninety four point seven million. Excuse me, he's even a little bit 1396 01:31:27,399 --> 01:31:30,960 more than that. So yeah, like he has more guaranteed money on his 1397 01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:34,880 contract. But I guess because he's younger and like that makes him the asset 1398 01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:38,680 at that deal. I don't know that. I think I'd probably like that 1399 01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:45,079 trade equally, not at all for eitherty. Yeah that sounds about right. 1400 01:31:45,119 --> 01:31:49,640 I mean, like my I landed on. I think they need to shoot 1401 01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:54,840 a little lower and rather than do a one for one swap, they need 1402 01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:58,239 to think part of the problem with Horford is that just there aren't many teams 1403 01:31:58,279 --> 01:32:01,399 that need a center at all, much less a thirty four year old being 1404 01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:04,920 paid that much money. The one team I keep coming back to is New 1405 01:32:05,079 --> 01:32:10,399 Orleans, not for Drew Holiday, because I just don't think there's I don't 1406 01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:15,359 think there is enough that they could include to do it Horford for Drew Holiday, 1407 01:32:15,399 --> 01:32:16,640 I think, yeah, I think actually, off the top of my 1408 01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:24,920 head, I would say shake fible and a future first, like not even 1409 01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,600 this year's first, like because I don't know why they would want number twenty 1410 01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,560 one and I'm not even sure that's enough. And then would you give up 1411 01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:33,840 like all, like all four of those things like Fible, Shake this year's 1412 01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:36,159 first, and then at twenty twenty two first, like are you doing that 1413 01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:41,359 for Drew they get off Horford's money and get Drew holiday. I think I 1414 01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:45,840 probably would, but that's an awful like you could probably talk yourself at well, 1415 01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:47,760 none of them are high level assets, but given how important Fible and 1416 01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:50,560 like Shake Milton are and how much you need cost controlled assets, that's a 1417 01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:54,039 that's a hell of a price to pay. I still probably do it, 1418 01:32:54,039 --> 01:32:57,640 though I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, but I still think like the Pelicans, 1419 01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:00,359 if they're shopping Drew, they can get more than that. I don't 1420 01:33:00,359 --> 01:33:04,199 think this will happen. Yeah, So I come back to more rather than 1421 01:33:04,319 --> 01:33:09,600 go for a bigger name, try to break Horford up into smaller pieces if 1422 01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:14,359 you can. So one of the ideas I've kicked around is something like bring 1423 01:33:14,399 --> 01:33:17,279 back JJ Reddick, who was just on Matt Barnes podcast and said they effed 1424 01:33:17,359 --> 01:33:23,119 up by trading him, which fair. Darius Miller who was coming off. 1425 01:33:23,159 --> 01:33:26,199 I believe the Achilles didn't play at all last year, so it's kind of 1426 01:33:26,239 --> 01:33:30,199 just like I don't think the Pelicans are probably gonna be that married to him, 1427 01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:36,640 and then Nicomelly for Horford and whatever you know, twenty one and end 1428 01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:42,000 some combination of future picks or you know, some of the seconds that they 1429 01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:45,920 have or like what I again, I don't know what that sweetener is. 1430 01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:49,640 And that's ultimately that's where I keep coming back to with all of these Horford 1431 01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:53,079 and to buy his trade ideas, because like, yes, if they could 1432 01:33:53,079 --> 01:33:56,399 trade Al Horford for Buddy Healed, straight up, go for it, like 1433 01:33:56,520 --> 01:34:00,600 totally it's not going to happen, but go for it. But you know, 1434 01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:02,800 I keep wondering, like, as you said, with the true stuff, 1435 01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:10,239 like are you trading so much that you aren't drastically improving either the short 1436 01:34:10,359 --> 01:34:14,319 term are or the long term outlook? And if so, like I wouldn't 1437 01:34:14,359 --> 01:34:18,159 make a Horford trade like for Nicholas Batum just for cap relief because cap relief 1438 01:34:18,199 --> 01:34:20,800 isn't going to help the Sixers at off, like they won't pay the luxury 1439 01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:27,239 tax. I don't care believe Josh Harris Dry do not care at all I'm 1440 01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:30,960 talking about to ask you, because it's like, would you do Al Horford? 1441 01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:35,079 And let's even say it's a smaller sweetener for Andre Drummond, like from 1442 01:34:35,079 --> 01:34:38,720 Cleveland, just to get off his money at the Internet year And look, 1443 01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:41,920 then Drummonds is just backing up Joel Embiid and then getting the shit kicked out 1444 01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:46,039 of him and in practice by too. But I mean it makes sense like 1445 01:34:46,079 --> 01:34:51,960 from a like just a far removed perspective, like that's now we're thinking about 1446 01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:56,399 the team's finances. But it also doesn't really even matter because like there is 1447 01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:59,439 that that's not even really going to be the difference if you keep Josh richardson. 1448 01:35:00,119 --> 01:35:01,399 But even if you don't like that, that may not even be the 1449 01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:04,840 difference between unlocking the non tax payers mid level down the line. So you're 1450 01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:09,880 not really saddling yourself with any additional assets by making that move. You're just 1451 01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:14,319 saving Josh Hawer's money, right exactly, And I don't care about that at 1452 01:35:14,359 --> 01:35:17,960 all. It's less money he can donate it to the Republican Party, so 1453 01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:23,039 it's actually for the best. That's the only benefit to Al Horford's contract these 1454 01:35:23,119 --> 01:35:27,039 days. So I mean that's ultimately where it lands. It's like, I'm 1455 01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:30,479 okay with you know, of course they should be shopping these guys around and 1456 01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:33,560 seeing what they can get, But I wouldn't want to give up a ton 1457 01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:36,720 of assets, especially just for cap relief, if it's going to make you 1458 01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:41,960 worse both next year and then also, like as bad as al Horford was 1459 01:35:42,079 --> 01:35:45,840 next to Embid and Simmons, you know you pencil in twenty games, probably 1460 01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:50,119 the Embiad's gonna miss. Horford does have a role there in the fifteen minutes 1461 01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:54,880 that Embid doesn't play per night during the regular season, like he and ben 1462 01:35:55,560 --> 01:36:00,199 coexisted somewhat well together, and you know, and Horford had a down year 1463 01:36:00,239 --> 01:36:02,760 shooting. I think if he, you know, if he, if he 1464 01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:06,960 unlike everyone else who comes to Affiliate recent years, like regresses positively to the 1465 01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:12,359 mean and actually starts shooting better, especially on catch and shoots next year than 1466 01:36:12,399 --> 01:36:16,760 he did this year. Like I'm not saying he's going to provide the positive 1467 01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:21,600 value on the contract, but it's not like he's a complete zero of a 1468 01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:26,479 player, So you know, I think they do need to be careful, 1469 01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:30,680 and ultimately it would not surprise me if they run this back, and you 1470 01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:33,079 know they say, you know, last year, going into the season, 1471 01:36:33,119 --> 01:36:39,439 we were heavily projected to be a title contender. Now we've added someone, 1472 01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:43,279 you know whoever with the mid level, we've added these draft picks. All 1473 01:36:43,319 --> 01:36:46,279 of these guys have another year under their belts, they have more chemistry together, 1474 01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:50,079 we have a new coach. Let's see what happens. And then if 1475 01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:53,920 you know, if it all goes to hell in those first few months, 1476 01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:57,720 like that's what the trade deadlines were, Okay, we tried it, it 1477 01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:00,680 didn't work. Then we can re exp deals then and you know, you've 1478 01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:05,199 paid four months of Val Horford's contract. So maybe it's slightly more enticing, 1479 01:37:05,319 --> 01:37:12,800 But yeah, I mean it's I keep being fearful that it will be exiled 1480 01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,720 from six Ers Twitter again for saying like I wouldn't be shocked if they run 1481 01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:19,560 it back, but I really I wouldn't. One year too late. But 1482 01:37:20,239 --> 01:37:24,319 it's tough to I wouldn't be shocked either, And it's without knowing what the 1483 01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:27,720 market to like grease the wheels of a trade rail. Horford is just now 1484 01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:31,439 more than ever because his contracts seems steeper in what we expect to be just 1485 01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:35,640 a more constrained cap climate, and so like he actually I think he could 1486 01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:40,439 help, you know, the logistics aside, Like I actually think he's a 1487 01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:44,199 good fit in Sacramento where you don't really know what's happening with Marvin Bagley, 1488 01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:46,720 and he's just what is he going to give you? On defense? Rahahn 1489 01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:50,479 Holmes is good, still not a great defender, and then also Horford gives 1490 01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:55,439 you range that Holmes doesn't have even more of a Bagley like shot pretty well 1491 01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:58,680 from the outside towards the end of his rookie year, but not not proven 1492 01:37:59,079 --> 01:38:00,720 either. So I like him there, but it's just a matter of, 1493 01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:03,760 like, you know, what do you have to include to get a Buddy 1494 01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:08,319 Heel or even a Harrison Barnes in that situation. The Pelicans were another team 1495 01:38:08,319 --> 01:38:11,560 that's prone to mind, he's actually a great fit if he's healthy alongside Zion 1496 01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,800 Williamson, But what do you have to You know, you're not getting any 1497 01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:16,159 huge assets back in that deal, but again, what do you have to 1498 01:38:16,199 --> 01:38:19,479 give up as the sweeteners there? And then the other team that kind of 1499 01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:24,680 stood out for me, it would be like if they can get assets for 1500 01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,279 the future, but then it's also someone who helps them immediately, Like what 1501 01:38:27,319 --> 01:38:31,079 would it take to get Rudy Yay and Patty Mills from San Antono? Like 1502 01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:34,560 that, those two contracts fit perfectly into what al Horford is owed. It's 1503 01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:36,840 like, what do you need to give up if the Spurs are willing to 1504 01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:40,880 if they are thinking more long term, or even if they just want to 1505 01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,680 go a little bit bigger upfront, they don't want to pay yaka Peardle and 1506 01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:46,840 they're intrigued by Aldridge Horford for a year with DeMar Derozen that would be like 1507 01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:53,840 the most depressing three star core in a long time, But like what do 1508 01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:56,600 you have to include to get that? That might be another avenue to consider, 1509 01:38:56,680 --> 01:39:00,000 but I just don't know. Like I we could say two sweeteners like 1510 01:39:00,039 --> 01:39:02,560 a pick and batistible, but like I don't even know if that's enough, 1511 01:39:03,279 --> 01:39:06,720 right, And that's the problem. I think if it was just if Horford 1512 01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:11,760 was on an expiring contract, it'd be a lot easier to conceptualize because we 1513 01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:15,520 kind of know the going rate for you know, you could get a first 1514 01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:18,520 round pick for a guy on like a fifteen million dollar contract like buy you 1515 01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,800 know, you rent fifteen million of cap space and get a first round pick, 1516 01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:26,039 But like, what do you do for eighty million of caps space, 1517 01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:30,960 three years and a pandemic? I don't know. The only other one is 1518 01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,520 like, if Boston really wants out Horford back, maybe they got shook by 1519 01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:40,439 bam Adebayo, do some variation of Horford for Gordon Hayward. Plus you know 1520 01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:44,760 it's Boston and Philly, so they'll take at least like three picks from the 1521 01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:48,520 Sixers and rake them over the coals for the third consecutive trade. But you 1522 01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:55,159 know that's That's another one where it's like if Boston was very desperate, I'll 1523 01:39:55,159 --> 01:39:58,600 put it that way, but I don't see that happening at all. That's 1524 01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:03,920 probably even less realistic then the proposed Buddy Healed all of the Buddy Healed trade 1525 01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:08,520 variations. The other thing I thought about is like, what you could they 1526 01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:13,199 go for a smaller swing where it's like, if you pair Zaiyar Smith and 1527 01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:17,880 Mike Scott's contracts together with other assets, you could take back at ten point 1528 01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:20,760 two, ten point three, ten point four million dollars play or whatever it 1529 01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:24,199 is, if you went if you can figure out a way to get a 1530 01:40:24,199 --> 01:40:28,279 three for one done, if you threw eecially Fible into that equation, like 1531 01:40:28,319 --> 01:40:30,840 you're looking at being able to get a player who makes almost fourteen million dollars 1532 01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:35,279 back. Is that something that they could or should consider or is it at 1533 01:40:35,279 --> 01:40:39,239 that point? Like well, then they're obliterating their death. But at the 1534 01:40:39,279 --> 01:40:41,680 same time, it's like, well, how important is Mike Scott and Zayear 1535 01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:44,439 Smith what they're doing right now? Anyway? Like Fible I get, but 1536 01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:46,199 if you're like, if he's the asset that's getting you better, I don't 1537 01:40:46,239 --> 01:40:48,479 even know what player it is, Like this might be a package that only 1538 01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:53,359 gets you if it's Scott and Smith and then something else like maybe you can 1539 01:40:53,359 --> 01:40:57,479 get Thomas at Aranski, which I think helps, But it's like does that 1540 01:40:57,560 --> 01:40:59,840 do it for you? Like is that like, oh cool? Like that's 1541 01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:04,079 a good move if it was like Scott Smith and twenty one like brig out 1542 01:41:04,119 --> 01:41:11,239 Derek Rose ready for those people. But no, I mean I think that's 1543 01:41:11,359 --> 01:41:15,119 absolutely worth the Explorer. I cannot express enough how bad Mike Scott was this 1544 01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:17,960 past year. And again I love him. I know six ers, Twitter 1545 01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:27,920 loves him. He was probably their worst rotation player. I've I've i've the 1546 01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:33,279 room exception well spent. Then I was like the logic there's just so bizarre. 1547 01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:36,920 The last thing I wanted to ask you is just an open form. 1548 01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:43,439 What's the most undercovered aspect of this team in your opinion or what's just something 1549 01:41:44,399 --> 01:41:46,399 that I didn't ask you that you want to talk about. Yeah, it's 1550 01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:51,479 a fair question. I think I don't know how covered this is from a 1551 01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:56,239 national standpoint. I think six Ers Shorter does a fantastic job of this. 1552 01:41:56,479 --> 01:42:01,600 But the front office is just still such an open question. You know, 1553 01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:06,800 we've we've been hearing non stop weeks over the past few weeks about like big 1554 01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:13,079 changes are coming, and you know, Alex Rucker under the EVPs is apparently 1555 01:42:13,159 --> 01:42:16,000 going to lose his job, but he still hasn't actually left lost his job. 1556 01:42:16,399 --> 01:42:20,000 Right in the spin that like he was calling a lot of the shots 1557 01:42:20,039 --> 01:42:23,880 like this past season, Like that was weird. Like at that point, 1558 01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:27,720 it's like, okay, like Elton Brand's agent is like doing some heavy lifting 1559 01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:31,920 over there. Yeah, Like I think fundamentally they really screwed up in twenty 1560 01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:38,720 eighteen when Colangelo resigns, like bringing in Elton Brand, who you know is 1561 01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:43,000 apparently very well respected around the league, but like a first time GM, 1562 01:42:43,079 --> 01:42:47,439 very inexperienced. They kept all of Colangelo's cronies still on board, and these 1563 01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:53,359 guys are the ones responsible for taking what they had in twenty eighteen, which 1564 01:42:53,399 --> 01:42:57,399 was a very promising core with a lot of flexibility. And we are here 1565 01:42:57,479 --> 01:43:00,600 right now where we're talking about like how much will you have to include to 1566 01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:04,600 get off of one of these contracts. It seems kind of absurd to me 1567 01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:09,920 that any of them are still employed. And no, by by all educations, 1568 01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:12,479 Elton Brand's going to keep his job. The rest of the front office 1569 01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:15,520 is still up for evaluations. So wasn't there talking like an extension for Elton 1570 01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:19,640 Brand recently or something? Am I imagining that I saw that rumor he wanted 1571 01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:25,119 one. He approached Sixers management and wanted one. Yeah, I can I 1572 01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:31,119 appreciate the boldness the right like I only saddled with you with two of the 1573 01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:35,720 worst five contracts at the NBA, but give me a three year extension that 1574 01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:40,319 I could dig my way out of it. So yeah, I think just 1575 01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:45,039 the overall like what the hell is going on in the front office? Again, 1576 01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:48,560 very well covered locally, I think it probably deserves more attention nationally. 1577 01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:55,479 Doris actually went in on it during Game four of the Sixers Celtics series, 1578 01:43:55,560 --> 01:44:00,920 and everyone on Sixers Twitter was like, yes, Queen, say, you 1579 01:44:01,039 --> 01:44:05,000 know it's bad when Doris Burke is going in on live on National TV about 1580 01:44:05,039 --> 01:44:08,680 it, Like I've heard her going on podcast, but like when she goes 1581 01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:13,960 in during broadcasts, it's like, it's because you screwed up badly. Yeah, 1582 01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:17,119 like that badly, he yikes. So that's one and the other is 1583 01:44:17,239 --> 01:44:23,000 as much as I love and beid his shot selection at times, I think 1584 01:44:23,039 --> 01:44:29,800 that is one thing that Doc really needs to get on him about just you 1585 01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:33,039 know, it's not even you know, he of course he's gonna post up 1586 01:44:33,039 --> 01:44:36,119 a time, and he's one of the only guys who can actually post up. 1587 01:44:36,159 --> 01:44:39,720 Well, he'll turn it over when he gets double team. He's got 1588 01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:43,960 to improve there. But like he also has a couple shots per game where 1589 01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:49,319 it's like early in the shot clock and he just it's like he gets I 1590 01:44:49,359 --> 01:44:54,079 was gonna say, like Russell Westbrook, like it's there's like eighteen seconds the 1591 01:44:54,079 --> 01:44:58,920 shot clock and he like pulls up for a long two and you're like why, 1592 01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:01,079 like what are you doing? If he just cut out the three or 1593 01:45:01,119 --> 01:45:06,680 four worst shots from his diet every game and redistributed them to anyone else. 1594 01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:11,199 I'd rather see Ben Simmons take four or three is a game. Then l 1595 01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:15,600 embiad takes some of these shots. So I think that is something to keep 1596 01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:21,439 an eye on next year and see, you know how how Doc distributes touches 1597 01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:28,640 and shots and like if he could get that cut out of m beads shot 1598 01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:32,119 diet because again it's like he I mean, it's the same thing with Russ 1599 01:45:32,199 --> 01:45:34,840 right, you take out the five worst shots he takes per game and he's 1600 01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:38,800 a totally different player. But because he takes those five shots a game, 1601 01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:43,199 he is that polarizing and be and I think, you know is so physically 1602 01:45:43,279 --> 01:45:45,520 opposing, it's so dominant. Draymond is even set. He's like, you're 1603 01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:49,960 bailing defenses out every time you take a shot like that. So the Sixers 1604 01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:54,399 really need to get on him and just like make him watch that Draymond clip 1605 01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:57,880 over and over again. It's like this is one of you know, a 1606 01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:01,119 three time champion, one of the best defenders last five years, telling you 1607 01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:06,760 don't do this because you're bailic defenders out. Listen to him. Oh that's 1608 01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:11,640 petacular. His turtle rate on post ups this year I think was sub twelve 1609 01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:14,279 percent, and it actually felt like in real time when you're watching it that 1610 01:46:14,359 --> 01:46:18,600 it was like much higher. Yeah, he has gotten better, I will 1611 01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:23,720 say every year in terms of his passing vision, and you could tell it. 1612 01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:25,840 I mean, he because he knows, like in the playoffs, he 1613 01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:29,560 knows he's gonna get double teams on post ups, and we saw it time 1614 01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,199 and again in that Boston series. So it's a work in progress, but 1615 01:46:32,239 --> 01:46:36,560 I think we have seen some incremental progress on that front. But yeah, 1616 01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:41,760 I mean that that also is a major area of focus moving forward, at 1617 01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:45,239 least, you know, especially because again it goes back to the Ben Simmons 1618 01:46:45,279 --> 01:46:47,600 question. If if Ben Simmons isn't gonna shoot, you got to figure out 1619 01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:50,880 where to put him on the court that you know. They can't leave him 1620 01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:56,079 wide open because then, like whoever's guarding Ben Simmons is going to double team 1621 01:46:56,119 --> 01:47:00,279 Joel embiid Ryan, thank you so much for coming on. This was a 1622 01:47:00,319 --> 01:47:04,079 blast. If you guys are not following Brian on Twitter, remedy that immediately. 1623 01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:10,119 You can find him at at BT O P O R e. K. 1624 01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:14,359 He is a quality editor for Bleacher Report, co host of the NBA 1625 01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:18,079 pod and he writes for four Sports and fansided again. Brian, thank you 1626 01:47:18,119 --> 01:47:21,119 so much. It took too long to get you on here in the first 1627 01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:25,880 place, but rest assured, if you're willing, I will be pesturing you 1628 01:47:26,159 --> 01:47:30,920 in the future. Very good. Happy to come on when they trade out 1629 01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:39,119 Hereford this offseason. 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