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You know pretty near all the characters around here, don't you? 18 00:02:24,759 --> 00:02:29,919 All of them that ever checked into the hotel I clerk at, that is, 19 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,319 if you're charitable and can call it a hotel. Ah, poor fellows. 20 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,599 I kind of feel sorry for some of them, yes, some of 21 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:42,919 them, Yes, fellaws like a Johnny Edwards, a box car Charlie or 22 00:02:43,039 --> 00:02:47,039 Billy Duke. Nice boys who just never quite made it. They'll work, 23 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:52,400 only nobody'll give them a job, or mister Gorham. Everybody's got their own 24 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:58,199 problems. Some guys, holds, Look look where well over there behind the 25 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,759 ash cancers are lying? Man, there is I would asson see about that. 26 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:10,479 No, it's a it's a body, all right, A body in 27 00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:14,599 a full dress suit of that. That is all I need. I won't 28 00:03:14,599 --> 00:03:16,159 sleep for a week now. I've got to fall in a report on this 29 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:21,080 right away. He is hurry swell got himself murdered? Why did he have 30 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,719 to do it on my bait? If it's a wait, wait just a 31 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:29,199 minute, or what I think I know this man, I'm mister Gorham. 32 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:30,719 You know a lot of the characters from around here on account of your job. 33 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:35,439 But you'll think he'll know this color in the full dress suit. I'm 34 00:03:35,439 --> 00:03:39,599 positive I know him. Evening clothes or no evening clothes. I know him. 35 00:03:39,639 --> 00:03:44,680 He stays at my hotel anytime he has a Buck for a room. 36 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,240 The dead guy, all dressed up in a full dress suit is Buck's car. 37 00:03:49,520 --> 00:04:12,599 Charlie, what's the use of being District Attorney Vans if I can't have 38 00:04:12,639 --> 00:04:15,280 a siren on my car. Well, there's the little matter of seeing that 39 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,879 guilty people are punished, that the laws are upheld. Little things like that 40 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,079 marker. I know, but I think this siren is a throwback in the 41 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,639 days when I was a kid wanted to be a fireman. I wanted to 42 00:04:25,639 --> 00:04:29,360 be a street car conductor. I'll have to have a bell put in this 43 00:04:29,399 --> 00:04:31,160 car for you. Oh thank you. But there's a spot where they found 44 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,560 the body, Vans, just up the street where the crowd has gathered. 45 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,360 Glad I was with you when the call came in the land definitely identified as 46 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:42,560 a terrelict, but wearing full evening dress when he was found murdered. Fascinating 47 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:46,160 powerlation. I thought you like it. Let's see what we can do about 48 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:49,600 finding out who killed him after you vents right, surprising the crowd that'll gather 49 00:04:49,639 --> 00:04:53,240 in any hour of the day or night just to see something unusual. Oh, 50 00:04:53,319 --> 00:04:57,079 these people have plenty of time. Excavating work doesn't start for seven hours 51 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,399 or so when they have to watch something that's so let us throw please, 52 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,319 I'm sorry you don't mind what happen. Please out of my way, please, 53 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,279 thank you. Hello, officer, I'm just a returning Markham. I 54 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,680 recognize miss Markham. I'm Riley's start precinct. I found the body, Yes, 55 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,839 I know, I see it hasn't been removed. I'm waiting for the 56 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,240 men from the margue now, mister Markham. While we're waiting, is it 57 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,600 all right for me to examine the body? Go ahead, Vance, It's 58 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,279 all right, Riley. He's final. Vance. Oh all Vance is and 59 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,839 go go right ahead, mister Vance. Thank you. I don't think i'll 60 00:05:24,879 --> 00:05:28,000 be more than a few moments. Ride vance, officer. Oh, yes, 61 00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:30,199 your report said the dead man lived at a very cheap hotel down in 62 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,160 his section. Yet when you found him, he was wearing evening clothes and 63 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,759 it did mister Markham, and don't ask me to explain it because I can't. 64 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,160 You won't have to, officer, But I think I can. What 65 00:05:40,399 --> 00:05:43,319 was that? Vance? You took one look at the body and you can 66 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,439 explain why a down and out individual would be wearing a dress suit. Not 67 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:48,160 only that, but I think I have an idea where I can start talking 68 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,839 for the killer of our friend bucks card Charlie. All Vance. I've seen 69 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:56,759 you do astounding things, but never anything like this. How would you possibly 70 00:05:56,759 --> 00:06:00,800 find a clue so quickly? Charlie was stabbed but the nicest so I couldn't 71 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,879 be that. It isn't and I never saw it Charlie while he was living. 72 00:06:02,879 --> 00:06:05,319 If that's what you're thinking, Margam, I'm not thinking anything at the 73 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:09,360 moment. All right, my friend, let's leave it just that way. 74 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,759 Personally, I never saw anything like this. All right, You're a pretty 75 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,519 smart miss bad thank you. Now, I'm going to investigate the clue I 76 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:29,399 found, which will give me an idea of just how smart I am. 77 00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:32,639 Okay, bum out, come out, just your copper corffee jar, Just 78 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,639 get out. I said, this is a din and not a free lunch 79 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:46,600 joint. Out that's said, Yeah, I read of him. Will he 80 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:50,360 maybe maybe you'd be back. I doubt it. I suppose we get organized 81 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:55,279 and at gimmick we got going. Everything's all set up for us. I 82 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,600 don't think so. I got another idea about that. That's a matter with 83 00:06:59,639 --> 00:07:01,279 you. Do you have to argue about everything? It's used to living. 84 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:04,360 If you can't argue, no fun in agreeing with people, and it's no 85 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:08,959 fun in listening to you. Doubt everything either. Look, let's get something 86 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,959 straight, because if anybody as crooked as us could get anything straight. Here 87 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,120 you go again. Anyhow, here's something you can't argue about it. But 88 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:24,360 Box Scott Charlie is dead. Any It seemed like that when I stuck a 89 00:07:24,439 --> 00:07:27,879 knife in him. But I ain't no doctor. I ain't sure you know 90 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:30,279 I am. He walked into this lunch from of mine at the wrong time, 91 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,199 he heard something he shouldn't have heard. He had to go. Maybe 92 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,480 he didn't hit nothing. We ain't sure he did. We couldn't take any 93 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:41,720 chances because we don't get sore at me. I killed him. No, 94 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,639 forget anybody traces that knife and back to us. We can forget about this 95 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,199 place and that big plan we got and everything else. Nobody's gonna do that. 96 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:56,680 Don't worry who's doing the contradicting. Now, okay, Georgie, we 97 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,920 got rid of the one guy who might interfere with us. We got clear 98 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,720 sailing from here in. It's going to be happy days here again for us 99 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:11,360 unless now what, unless somebody gets helped to what we're doing, and then 100 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:28,639 it ain't happy days are here again. It's goodbye forever. Hello, Diric, 101 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,120 Attorney Mark, I'm speaking anybody that called the DA's office at two o'clock 102 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,480 in the morning doesn't rate as dignified an answer with that. Hello man, 103 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:37,799 Hello, I thought you'd come right back to your office when I left you 104 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,600 after we found that dressed up buddy, and I thought you'd get in touch 105 00:08:41,639 --> 00:08:43,399 with me, so we both thought correctly, that's right. It's a little 106 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,080 difficult getting information at this hour, but I think I finally come up with 107 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,159 something something like what something like what? I promised you a place to start 108 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,679 investigating the murder of box car Charlie. I thought you knew that when you 109 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,919 looked at the body. I had only a general idea. It isn't that 110 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:03,200 any longer gone. Like all good ideas from the general to the particular. 111 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,080 Oh, I just thought i'd let you know I'm on the way to a 112 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:11,320 certain diner hungry vance for information. I've been to five diners since I left 113 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,120 you. According to the phone book, there's only one more particular diner left 114 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,639 in town. One. Apparently I've left it to last. And like most 115 00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:20,279 of the cases we've had in this office, when it comes to a lead 116 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:33,200 on a killer, I've left it to vance. Keep you pretty busy, 117 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,840 don't they counting? Oh? I don't mind. This mission is part of 118 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,120 my life, George. I like helping people. Oh, and I want 119 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,200 to thank you for bringing those sandwiches. The men will appreciate. It's glad 120 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,799 to do it. What's the use to running a coffee shop if you can't 121 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,840 give away the food you're not going to sell anyway. How's the big thing 122 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:50,559 coming? Oh? The benefits? Yeah, better than I had any right 123 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,480 to expect. Everybody's help. They announced it over the radio. The newspaper 124 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:56,799 men have been wonderful, and people are actually buying tickets. I'll bet I 125 00:09:56,879 --> 00:10:00,879 sold more than a thousand dollars worth today along. Why not? It's a 126 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:03,639 good cause. A mission like the one you'll run here helps people who helps 127 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,000 unfortunate people. Oh, but the others are being very kind. Well why 128 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,759 shouldn't they? Well, after all, what are other people accept? Unfortunate 129 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:16,799 people who got a break philosophy from a coffee shop owner? George, I 130 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:20,840 never believed it anyhow. I've got three thousand dollars in cash right here in 131 00:10:20,879 --> 00:10:24,120 this envelope, and it'll be ten thousand by tomorrow. I hope. All 132 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:26,039 I can say is you're a pretty nice gal, Conny. Personally. I 133 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,600 Oh, here comes a customer, George. Excuse me, lady, I'm 134 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,799 unfortunate. I sure like a cup or coffee, maybe if you had something 135 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:37,159 to go with it. I like that too. Well, that's what we're 136 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:39,200 here for. It's rather late, but I just got in a fresh batch 137 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:50,279 of sandwiches, so if you'll sit Downez, thanks joined me by no, 138 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,519 thanks, Conny. Yes. Don't you think you ought to put this money 139 00:10:54,519 --> 00:10:56,600 in a safe or a bank or something? Oh not tonight anymore. I 140 00:10:56,639 --> 00:11:00,399 haven't got a safe in the banks aren't open. Besides, he knows how 141 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,360 much there isn't sound three thousand bucks? Hey, that bum is going for 142 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:09,480 it, George, I will give me that. Let go all right, 143 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:16,480 Oh, George, I didn't want to do that. But and you didn't 144 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,559 want to lose that three grand either, did you. Connie? You know 145 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:20,559 I'll get some water for this poof though. Oh and George, it was 146 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,759 good of you to stop him from stealing that money. Nobody touches that money. 147 00:11:24,799 --> 00:11:28,559 Connie, you mean nobody but me? Of course. Sure, that's 148 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:43,080 exactly what I mean. Hello. Look, the joint is open, but 149 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,320 nothing is going on. The boss is out and I don't sling no, 150 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,360 Hedge, I wasn't looking for food. What are you doing here at two 151 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,080 thirty in the morning? Slumming? Could be that you look like something from 152 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:58,799 uptown. It doesn't matter where I come from, does it? Maybe it 153 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:03,080 doesn't. It'll be difficult, friend, I'm fill a vance. That name 154 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,120 mean anything to you, no, but I'm glad for your sake. You 155 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,960 got it. Everybody's got to have some kind of a name. Of course, 156 00:12:11,039 --> 00:12:16,720 you overdid it. He the coat, don't pin the coat? Relax? 157 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,200 Okay, what do you want? I want to know whether you ever 158 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:28,600 heard of a manly called box Card Charlie. Not that I remember. He 159 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,120 never came in here, Not that I know of you around this place very 160 00:12:33,159 --> 00:12:37,799 often. Not so you couldn't notice. Where's the owner? George? I 161 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,840 don't know out somewhere, I guess I see I'm not getting anywhere. Is 162 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,519 there anything you do know, my friend? Yeah? Sure, try me 163 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:50,159 on that two and two business. Look, I've had no sleep and I 164 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,039 have very little patience. Lift, get me a cup of coffee. Hey, 165 00:12:54,159 --> 00:12:58,799 why don't you drink milk? It's better for growing boys. I'll be 166 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,799 did Sonny. I'm awful, busy doing nothing. I've got nowhere to go. 167 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,000 You don't get out of here, they'll be digging you a place to 168 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,440 go. Now, beat it? I said, that's right, you did 169 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:13,240 say that. Now? Is there any way you know of making me leave? 170 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:18,080 Yeah? Just one very simple way, I ask you nicely. And 171 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:30,759 then this Ah, that was better than walking around the reservoir. Gave me 172 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:35,039 some exercise, but very little else. What else did you want? What 173 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,879 happened to Willie? Willie is out you? George? Yeah? What hit 174 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,720 him? Beside you? The truck that just happened to be going through your 175 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:46,279 coffee shop? I say, shortcut. I guess my trucks go through here. 176 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,200 George, I've got some questions to ask you. That funny, I 177 00:13:48,279 --> 00:13:52,559 got no answers. Look around for some of you, like, don't you 178 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,159 be cute? Why should I answer anything you ask? Whether you look at 179 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,120 Willie? Not a good enough reason? What do they do? Argue with 180 00:13:58,159 --> 00:14:01,720 you? Take the side or whatever you said? He always did that you 181 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,120 shouldn't have got So the next time I feel my emotions carrying me away, 182 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,600 I'll remember to ask your permission. Yeah, do that, George, and 183 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:13,159 follow evans. I want to know something about a man called bux Car Charlie. 184 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:20,200 Who here we go again, George? Remember Willie here? Oh Bucks, 185 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,639 Scott, Charlie. Why didn't you say so? What do you want 186 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:24,519 to know about him? When did you see him last? Yesterday? Sometime? 187 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,879 Why he was knife to death? Earlier to night? He was? 188 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:33,360 Yes, I thin't that too bad? He didn't have very much said living 189 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,440 for it, though, did he? What are you, detective? Not 190 00:14:35,559 --> 00:14:39,360 exactly in that case? If I was you, you know what i'd do? 191 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:43,559 Should I? Yeah? If you smart, you'd follow your nose right 192 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,000 out of here. It's the only way I know of keeping it out of 193 00:14:46,000 --> 00:15:05,519 a business. That don't concern you. This is just you to turning Markham. 194 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:09,159 The full Dress murder case opened with the finding of the knife body of 195 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:16,440 box Car Charlie derelict when discovered. Charlie's body was clothed in full evening dress, 196 00:15:16,559 --> 00:15:18,960 which led Filo Vans to announce he knew where to start looking for the 197 00:15:20,039 --> 00:15:24,159 killer. Vance told me that a certain diner would supply a clue how he 198 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:26,720 arrived at that. Well, what happened at the diner when he went there? 199 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:37,000 I have yet to find out. Vance is here, however, Vance, 200 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:39,159 I have a theory about the evening clothes, have you, Markham? 201 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:41,759 Yes, box Car Charlie wasn't a tramp. He was living in the slums 202 00:15:41,759 --> 00:15:45,919 for some reason. Actually, he lived a double life and was known by 203 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,440 quite another name in society. That would account for his full dress. Yes, 204 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,399 it would. Then you agree that what I believe is possible. Oh 205 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,759 definitely. Of course I haven't done any investigation along those lines. But it 206 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,759 is possible. If you haven't investigated, it's because you're on a highly different 207 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:03,960 and chances are a much more logical angle. Well, it is different, 208 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,679 I'll tell you that. Will you also tell me what it is? What 209 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,840 other reason there could be for a broken down character to be wearing top hat 210 00:16:08,879 --> 00:16:12,639 and tails? No, I will not not yet, but I must very 211 00:16:12,679 --> 00:16:17,320 shortly. Well that's something. And by the way, why must you, 212 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,559 because you'll find out for yourself very shortly. That's interesting news. Tell me 213 00:16:21,559 --> 00:16:23,039 what you found out at George's diner, would you ask? I think I 214 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,960 found out who killed Charlie just like that. Yes. I have several reasons 215 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,759 for thinking that, one of them being the fact that it was so hard 216 00:16:30,799 --> 00:16:34,120 to get information about Charlie from the owner of the diner and his friend Willie. 217 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,399 How do you know they knew him? That I've got to keep to 218 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,080 myself until I'm sure they did. Remember I said, I only think I 219 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,600 know our killers when I'm sure, And when I find why Charlie was killed, 220 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:59,279 I'll let you know and let you in on how I know. Connie. 221 00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:02,799 I'm over here, George, Come on over Roger some fresh coffee from 222 00:17:02,799 --> 00:17:04,079 the shop this morning? Connie? Oh thanks, would you set it down 223 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,559 right there? Please? Sure? Thanks? Guess how much came in this 224 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:12,720 morning? At eight thousand dollars, George, I've got over eleven thousand dollars 225 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:17,079 right here? Is that wonderful? I'll be able to build a sleeping dormitory 226 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,319 and put in a kitchen and oh, golly, I think people are nice, 227 00:17:19,319 --> 00:17:22,720 don't you. I'm Connie. I still think you gotta put that money 228 00:17:22,759 --> 00:17:26,000 in a safe place. Oh I will. As soon as someone comes in 229 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:29,000 to relieve me. I'll go to the bank. Oh it was wonderful opening 230 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,880 those letters and seeing all the money, that everything. George's got a gun. 231 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,119 George, it's a matter with your boyfriend. Lady Kenny, talk, 232 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,119 what do you want? This is a mission. There's nothing here you can 233 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:45,319 steal. I wouldn't say that. I'll take that envelope on that desk place. 234 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,400 Oh no, no, no, please, that isn't my money. 235 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,839 It belunch. It's gonna belong to me. That's all I care about. 236 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,480 I hand it over. Okay, okay, Connie, I love you. 237 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,640 That money is charity, though it's supposed to help put people. It's a 238 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:03,160 matter you think I'm rich giving me that's better? How about it. You'd 239 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,400 be nice and quiet for five minutes. You're not knocked the gun out of 240 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:17,279 his hand, grab any you're not grabbing any gun hold. I got my 241 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,279 gun back, and you got your boyfriend on the floor. I see, 242 00:18:21,279 --> 00:18:23,559 did these stays there for a few minutes and you stay here too? To 243 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:37,559 take care of him, which will be also taking care of yourself. Over 244 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,160 ten grand already, Georgie, and I ain't through yet. I'll be over 245 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,240 eleven thousand. I don't think so. Again, he don't think so. 246 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:47,720 Don't you ever agree with anything, Willie? Not? If I can help 247 00:18:47,799 --> 00:18:51,039 it? Yeah? Yeah, one thing? What's that? That is a 248 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,720 pip of a shiner you got on your right eye. I didn't know I 249 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,039 could hit so hard. You know when I clipped you with the mission, 250 00:18:57,079 --> 00:19:00,599 Georgie, I wasn't trying to hurt you, didn't I fake getting knocked out 251 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:03,079 and you know it? Well, then what's with the eye? That's smart? 252 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,960 Alec final Vans has been around, hasn't he? I suppose he is 253 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,400 about the stick up of the mission. It starts putting two and two together 254 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,839 and finds I was at the mission when a hole up took place. Oh 255 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:18,240 so you gave yourself a black guy, smart guy, and on you it 256 00:19:18,319 --> 00:19:21,839 don't look bad, big joke? Hey, Now where did I stop downing? 257 00:19:22,319 --> 00:19:23,759 It was over ten thousand. I don't know the exact figure. I 258 00:19:23,759 --> 00:19:27,359 would call it ten thousand and twenty. That was about it, Georgie. 259 00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:30,240 Somebody's trying the door shut up? And he'll go away. Whatever it is. 260 00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:36,000 Open up in there. I heard you talking open up. That sounds 261 00:19:36,039 --> 00:19:38,240 like Vans. For once. I wish I could argue with you. You'd 262 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,680 better open up as soon as I statious money out of sight. Okay, 263 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:42,359 get rid of it. I'm going to open the door, all right. 264 00:19:45,319 --> 00:19:52,240 Oh that I'm coming, Okay, Georgie letting me Okay, Hello Vans. 265 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,839 Hello, aren't you open for business? Does it look like we are? 266 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,240 Oh? I came over to see about that hold up at the mission, 267 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:04,319 George. I understand you were quite a hero. Well are you back again? 268 00:20:04,519 --> 00:20:07,759 Apparently right at the moment. I want to talk to George. Any 269 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:14,359 objections not from me? I thought you were investigating box card Charlie's murder. 270 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,319 Vans. I'll come a stick up interest you. There might possibly be a 271 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:22,599 connection, you know. Oh that's a lovely eye you have. Like it? 272 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:26,759 Maybe you'd like one to match. Willie would talk you out of trying, 273 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,359 but I'm hoping he won't, if you know what I mean. Have 274 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,920 any trouble seeing out of it? Not a bit. My left eye is 275 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,880 awfully good. Well you here, Vans. I'm still waiting to find out 276 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,839 why, just to get your story to hold up? What story? Guy 277 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:44,799 come in with a gun. He grabbed the envelope with the money in it 278 00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:47,200 with his left hand. He started backing away when I knocked the gun out 279 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,720 of his Mit cut me while I was trying to grab the envelope. And 280 00:20:48,759 --> 00:20:53,920 that's all. It probably ain't Vans ask him more questions. I really don't 281 00:20:53,920 --> 00:21:03,480 have to, Willie. I'm quite certain I know all the answers. Now. 282 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,480 It's Connie here, and I have been waiting quite a while for you 283 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:12,960 venture. I'm sorry, Markham, My apologies, Miss Connie. Quite all 284 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,039 right, but I wanted to be very sure of my ground first. And 285 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,039 are you now, mister Vance. Yes, I know George and Willie killed 286 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:23,200 Boxcar Charlie. I know why they did it. Oh, and I know 287 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,559 both of them were in on the plan to rob your O mission of the 288 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:29,079 benefit money. You don't have to know very much more than that to make 289 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:33,200 our arrest Vans. I'm still waiting to find out the reason Boxcar Charlie was 290 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,880 dressed in evening clothes. By the way, I'm so glad he was, 291 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,319 Markham. It made things so much easier not for me. Well, mister 292 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,079 Vans, if you know who killed Charlie? If you know it was Willie 293 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:45,799 and George, and you know they both robbed me. What are you waiting 294 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,799 for? Why don't you let mister Markham arrest him so I can get that 295 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:51,920 money. I want you to try and get it without our having to arrest 296 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,079 them, Miss Connie. What you took the word right out of my mouth, 297 00:21:56,079 --> 00:21:59,039 Miss Connie, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to be mysterious. What 298 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,519 I meant was that if you will do one thing for me, Miss Connie, 299 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:15,319 yes, we'll have two killers in custody before nightfall. Sure I know 300 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,119 where George lives, Miss Connie. Sure, I am anxious to do something 301 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,279 for you. And it kind of ow the coffee. Give me a the 302 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:25,279 mission. Oh, that's perfectly all right. Just point out the house to 303 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,599 me. It can't really a house. It's a kind of like a basement. 304 00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:32,799 It's right here, it's right there, Miss Connie. I sure hope 305 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:34,960 you ain't gonna get tangled up with him. I sure hope you ain't, 306 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,640 Miss Kinnie. I'll be all right, and thank you very much. It's 307 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:41,000 all right, it's sure all right. I should not to come over to 308 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:52,920 the mission sometime anytime at all. Yeah, it's me Connie from the mission. 309 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,279 Ah. I never expected you here. I know you didn't. Oh, 310 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:07,400 George, Hi, Willie your row we need here cars. I'm delighted 311 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,079 to have you visit me, Connie. But I can't think of any reason 312 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,480 why you're here. I can. I think Willy's got something you said it. 313 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,240 Look, George, you don't think I felt for that phony? Hold 314 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:19,279 up? Do you? I know Willie didn't hit you hard enough to knock 315 00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:22,559 you down. I let him grab that money and now I'm here for a 316 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:29,480 cut. Oh who once? I agree with you, George. I have 317 00:23:29,519 --> 00:23:33,200 a little information. Boys, Carlo Vance knows the whole score too, And 318 00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:37,559 if you don't lam you two characters are cooked. So you're not the big 319 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,759 hearted dame or only live the past out coffee? The bums? Are you? 320 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,240 You want to talk about me or you? Vance knows you killed box 321 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:48,319 car Charlie, and he knows Charlie probably overheard you two planning to stick up, 322 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:52,039 and so you killed him Vance? How could he know that? That 323 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,359 ain't important? Connie, avenge your cut and you'll get it fine. How 324 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:57,559 can you install vants? If we make a three way cut of a dough? 325 00:23:57,599 --> 00:24:03,200 We got maybe, And I think I know how Vans located us. 326 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,519 But does he know we faked that hold up? Georgie and me? He 327 00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:11,480 sure does, could that we didn't do anything? Of opinion and District Attorney 328 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:15,119 Markham, Oh, how well did I do? Mister? Snapping off the 329 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,319 lock on the door so we could get in? It was excellent, misscon 330 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,119 That dame was a phony phony? How do you like that? Niece? 331 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,119 Characters hurt us, admit we killed Charlie a window, Willie, let's get 332 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:37,799 out the watch. Well, I'd say you were doing very well. Now, 333 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,720 Mssconni, your money is probably in this place somewhere. I think we'll 334 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,559 be able to find it and officially close this case. Oh no, you 335 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,599 don't vance No, why not? First I want to know how you track 336 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,920 box Car Charlie's murder to George and Willie, and how you knew that hold 337 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,279 up was fake? All right, Markham, I'll tell you. But let's 338 00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:59,240 take George and Willie downtown first, and i'll tell you how I knew. 339 00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:19,640 Second, Micham, you've been puzzled as to why box cart Charlie was wearing 340 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,359 a full dress suit when he was killed, aren't you? Among other things, 341 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,720 I am puzzled about that. Yes, well, when I saw the 342 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:29,440 full dress he was wearing, I noticed there were two worn spots about an 343 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,920 inch and a half wide on each shoulder. What would make warn spots like 344 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,519 that? I haven't the slightest idea. I thought it might be from a 345 00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:41,559 sandwich sign that was being carried around. The straps from the sign would wear 346 00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:45,400 down the cloth just that way. It still doesn't tell you anything. Rather, 347 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,160 it doesn't tell me anything. I believed that if the man were in 348 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,359 evening clothes, there had to be a reason for it. I believed he 349 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,599 was carrying a sign advertising something to do with high hat or full dress. 350 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,279 I looked in the phone book. Yes, I remember, you're telling me 351 00:25:57,319 --> 00:26:00,720 you used the phone book. I did, and found a number of high 352 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,519 hat diners, five of them, to be exact. I investigated them all 353 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:07,039 until I found George's place. It sounds very simple now, and you tell 354 00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:10,359 it. Do you mind telling me how you knew? The hold up at 355 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,079 the mission wasn't on the level, not at all. According to Miss Connie's 356 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,599 story and George's, he was standing facing the masked hold up man and was 357 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,160 trying to get the envelope with the money in it out of that individual's left 358 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,839 hand. That's right. Then the hold up character allegedly hit George in the 359 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,640 eye and dropped him. That's the story George and Connie told, certainly, 360 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,079 but George's eye made it a lie. You see, in that situation, 361 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,200 the hold up man must have hit George in the left eye, yet it 362 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,160 was George's right eye that was black, an indication that somewhere along the line 363 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,680 there was something a little bit spurious, no doubt about that. George probably 364 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,359 black in his own eye to make his story and Connie's corroboration really stand up. 365 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,799 Yes, your theory of why George and Willie killed Charlie has been borne 366 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:56,440 out by their confession. So I guess that's the end of them, the 367 00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:03,079 end of them and of the full dress murder case. It is the ten 368 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:25,599 welcome back. I would comment on the siren on Markham's car, but at 369 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,759 this point in the series that would be just way too easy, so I'm 370 00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:34,559 gonna let that one go. Once again. I am impressed by the prodigious 371 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:40,799 pugilism I follow vants. I mean, we have a lot of tough guys 372 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:47,359 in old time radio, but I almost would bet that Vance has been in 373 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,039 more fist fights than them all, at least has started more fist fights. 374 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,960 I mean, some of these hard boiled private eyes like Pat Novac for hire 375 00:28:56,039 --> 00:29:03,359 getting grabbed every episode and have somebody start beating on him. But with Vans, 376 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,680 he just walks in looking for a fight, Edi seems to find one 377 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:14,319 and also walk away with an impressive one loss record. I don't have time 378 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:18,960 to come up with a fight statistics for old time radio detectives, but I 379 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:23,880 would love to see them if anyone ever saw that as something that was worthwhile 380 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:29,640 to do. Overall, though, I did think that this was probably above 381 00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:33,759 average for a file of Vance story. None of the characters were annoying in 382 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:40,519 particular, and I thought the reasoning was solid, although at this point Vance 383 00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:48,759 does seem to rely a lot on criminals, adding unnecessary details to their story 384 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:52,640 and in this case, getting a black eye in the process. I should 385 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:56,559 note that we are nearing the end of our time with Filo Vans. We 386 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:02,880 only have three more weeks left, and then in four weeks we will be 387 00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:08,720 visiting a series with newly available episodes. Now let's turn to listener comments and 388 00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:17,319 feedback, and we start with a comment by Ronser regarding our discussion on the 389 00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:23,000 Manicure murder case about tectional characters known only by their last name. In your 390 00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:29,119 discussion of famous detectives who are known only by last names, you forgot the 391 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,480 most famous character in this category, Colombo. Once, when he was asked 392 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,279 what his first name was, he answered lieutenant. That's a good point. 393 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:45,480 I would say that there's a difference, say between Colombo and also Quincy and 394 00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:52,599 follow Vance in that their last name isn't known, although there were actually goosed 395 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,680 on both series that hinted at last names that were never confirmed or intended to 396 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:03,880 be the case. On Colombo, for example, there was a close up 397 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:10,480 of the driver's license that showed his first name is Frank, and on Quincy 398 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:18,319 there was a paperwork that showed Quincy's first initial was our. Regarding mcgeiver, 399 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:23,200 Nonah Rights, mcgiver's friends would call him Mac in private, and we don't 400 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:29,279 learn to the last season that his first name is actually Angus. I don't 401 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:33,680 know if I was watching as much in the last season. I do remember 402 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,359 finding out somewhere that his first name was Angus, and by my reckoning and 403 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:44,200 remembrance of the series, I think that mcgeiver's best friend was Pete Thornton, 404 00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:48,759 and he called him mcgiver pretty much everywhere, and so there may have been 405 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,279 some people who called him something else, like Mac, which would be an 406 00:31:52,400 --> 00:32:00,319 understandable nickname. So that may limit the number of members and in follow Vance's 407 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:07,799 club of people who have a known first name but are never called by it 408 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:13,119 by anyone. Appreciate the comments. And it's been so many years since I've 409 00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:16,880 seen mcgeiver, but I have such great memories of that series and would love 410 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:22,079 to watch it again. And I am in no way referring to the remake, 411 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,480 just saying that. Right here, Angel writes in I want to slap 412 00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:31,359 Vance. Then I realize I ought to slap myself. Okay, thanks, 413 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,240 all right, Well, now it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the 414 00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:40,400 day. Thank you to Wendy, Patreon supporter since May twenty nine, team 415 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,920 currently supporting the program at the shamous level of four dollars or more per month. 416 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,960 Thank you so much for your support, Wendy, and that will actually 417 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,880 do it for today. If you are enjoying this podcast, please follow us 418 00:32:54,039 --> 00:33:00,559 using your favorite podcast software and be sure to rate and review us. Wherever 419 00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:06,759 you download us from. We will be back next Thursday with another episode of 420 00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:12,000 Follow Vans, and next Saturday we'll be bringing you crime Fighters. But join 421 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,519 us back here tomorrow for the conclusion of the Clinton matter. Where come here? 422 00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:23,240 Why not cold weather to be out so late at night? Yeah, 423 00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:28,839 but then I've got a lot to do, and you've been in to see 424 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,640 mister Hobby. Yeah, how's Richard these days? I wouldn't know. I 425 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,720 only spoke to missus. Humm. I see lovely girl and Gene, Well, 426 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,920 she's a little sad right now. Her husband's missing. He left town 427 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:46,039 during the fire yesterday. Yeah. I have a feeling he might have been 428 00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:51,160 ordered out of town. Sooner or later. People be asking the building inspector 429 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,960 embarrassing questions about this school. Huh, We're are you going to ask him 430 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,799 some some embarrassing questions that is? Yeah, Yeah, sure I was. 431 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,359 I was going to ask him why he passed it. I was going to 432 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,680 ask him how much he was paid to pass it. I was going to 433 00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:09,039 ask who paid him to pass it, and then I was going to ask 434 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:14,719 him to make a statement. I figured you might have had something like that 435 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,559 in mind. Well, that's when I was talking to you, mister Vickery. 436 00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:20,800 I hope I see a real soon in jail. I hope you'll be 437 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,480 with us then. 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