1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:15,080 This is London calling London. I don't know how the crowd is doing really 2 00:00:16,519 --> 00:00:20,359 well, there is nothing to say. She doesn't want to shake hands with 3 00:00:20,679 --> 00:00:26,160 Russian Balareshian people. I respected her decision. I did what what what should 4 00:00:26,199 --> 00:00:29,600 I have done? Stayed and waited like I mean, it's it's there's there's 5 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:38,560 no thing that I could do that there would have been. Right. Welcome 6 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,719 to London calling with me. James Denny pol and my very good friend mister 7 00:00:42,799 --> 00:00:47,200 Tebby Young Nobbs, Brian the Evil Producer and I have been speculating. I 8 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,560 can see, I can see image an image of you. You've got a 9 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:56,240 kind of some sort of palm type thing, leafy thing in the background. 10 00:00:56,759 --> 00:01:00,640 I glimpse your bathroom, which is absolutely doping, I mean, really hideous. 11 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,920 I'm doubting some of the furniture in your apartment wherever it is. You're 12 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:10,359 obvious somewhere abroad, and you've got a weird sort of whispy chin beard, 13 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,400 like like a sort of like a blonde person just who hasn't shaved properly. 14 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,200 No, I don't think my beard has changed. But I am abroad. 15 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,480 See if you can guess where I am, well, I was going to 16 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,840 guess, looking at the bathroom, I was going to guess somewhere in on 17 00:01:25,879 --> 00:01:32,359 the front line in the Ukraine. But but maybe somewhere ritzier than that. 18 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:38,040 Well, I don't know. I'm in Ibitha. Oh are you? Oh 19 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:42,920 that's interesting him. I got here on Saturday and I'm heading home tomorrow Tuesday. 20 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,040 Well have you just come to do a bit of Mandy and and and 21 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:53,359 hit hit the space? The space still exist in Ebitha? You know. 22 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,879 I don't know. But I was told yesterday were at this restaurant yesterday and 23 00:01:56,879 --> 00:02:00,400 people were singing the proises of a restaurant called a club called DC ten. 24 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:06,439 But I think manumission may still exist, and I think is to have phone 25 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:12,319 parties. I thought manumission was the one where the couple had live sex in 26 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,199 front of you. Must have got very wearing after a time. Do you 27 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:17,439 know about this? I think I think, yeah, I think that's right. 28 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,520 Yeah. But to tell you the truth, James, my wife only 29 00:02:21,599 --> 00:02:25,719 agreed to come to a BA on condition that we didn't go clubbing. Um, 30 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,840 so we really haven't been clubbing. We're here for a friend's birthday party, 31 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:35,439 which is actually today, and the late lunch is due to start in 32 00:02:35,479 --> 00:02:39,759 about an hour. Yeah, I was wondering about the odd timing of this 33 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:45,400 podcast. I must say you are very very diligent about you never liked to 34 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,960 I'm kind of yeah whatever, I'm on holiday. I don't care, but 35 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,719 you're like, I must allocate some time in my table way to make sure 36 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:55,280 the podcast goes out. Which is which is? Which is? To your 37 00:02:55,319 --> 00:03:00,719 credit? Um? So is it be for? Are you in it? 38 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:07,280 Beat the town or what? No, we're in the country, overlooking a 39 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:12,840 beach in quite a nice villa. Um for me, the bathroom seems perfectly 40 00:03:12,879 --> 00:03:15,520 fine, but I don't think you've got a very good look at it. 41 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,639 Actually, it's actually, it's all very nicely done. Okay, it's very 42 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,319 comfortable. Sorry for dissing your your your What do you get on Airbnb? 43 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,439 No? No, we're actually staying as guests of this friend of mine. 44 00:03:27,479 --> 00:03:31,199 His birthday is oh, okay, okay, Um, and um, sorry 45 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,360 to grill you. I'm just I'm just curious about the sort of thing because 46 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:40,240 this is this is no friction conversation. Um, do you find it quite 47 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:46,240 as you get older? It's quite difficult staying at other people's houses. Do 48 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:53,120 you find sleeping and stuff. And yeah, I'm I'm I'm always inclined, 49 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,280 always tempted to bring my own pillow with me. The thing I find more 50 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:04,520 difficult than anything else is generally how uncomfortable, how sort of solid the pillows 51 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:09,120 are. I like a very soft pillow. But my wife is very scornful. 52 00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:12,319 She she refers to whenever I try and pack a pillow, she says, 53 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:16,480 that's typical day boy behavior, HARKing back to her days as a boarding 54 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:21,439 school girl. Um And so I find it. I'm too too much of 55 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:27,800 a cut to actually pack a pillow very often. So I do struggle to 56 00:04:27,879 --> 00:04:31,079 sleep with the kind of very hard pillows. Well, you know how you 57 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,360 Toby Young have an annucdate for every occasion. Weirdly, I'm going to play 58 00:04:35,399 --> 00:04:40,040 the Tobes role here. Um and I do have an outdode about pillows. 59 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,040 And one of my friends, one of the one are the very few friends 60 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,279 I've got left. Actually, um Is was in the sas um you know 61 00:04:48,319 --> 00:04:55,240 he was. He was an officer rather than a ranks or NCO who were 62 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,199 the real who are the who did the real fighting and stuff. But nevertheless, 63 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:04,720 he was in the SAS and on his last tour of duty. Um, 64 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:12,079 he went to Afghanistan and he took out with him his favorite pillow. 65 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:19,040 Um. And also I know that who's that slightly sort of Queenie Shrill, 66 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:25,600 Not not David Starkey, but the other the other one TV historian, Um 67 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:32,160 sort of quite highly strung. Um. What's his name lefty Um? Oh? 68 00:05:32,439 --> 00:05:39,560 Only he mean, uh who writes a lot about the French Revolution? 69 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:45,680 Yeah, intense, Yeah, Simon Sharma. Simon Sharma. Apparently. I 70 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:51,319 once I bumped into some people who'd been filming one of his series, and 71 00:05:51,399 --> 00:05:55,839 I think I think I'm right in saying he's very, very fussy about his 72 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,759 special pillow. And I think one day his special pillow may have been lost 73 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:05,360 in transit and there was a there was a massive major meltdown while we're there. 74 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:12,560 Do your friends actually have they retired to Abitha vertically? No, they 75 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,319 haven't, but we did. We're sort of renting a house from someone who 76 00:06:16,439 --> 00:06:23,839 rents villas to numerous people, and he lives quite nearby and he had a 77 00:06:23,879 --> 00:06:28,639 party on our first night and we kind of wandered over to his party. 78 00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:31,360 I mean you could go as far as so we gaate crash because we weren't 79 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,920 formally invited, and it was pretty amazing games. It was exactly what you'd 80 00:06:34,959 --> 00:06:40,279 expect Ibitha to be. So, you know, it was full of kind 81 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:47,480 of men in their fifties and sixties, clearly sort of pacing themselves, and 82 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:56,759 girls in their early twenties kind of dancing and obviously high. And there were 83 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,720 kind of they were they were they were kind of a mayor in kind of 84 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,879 bowls full of every kind and wine, cold beer on tap. I mean, 85 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,680 it was just like it was Nix. It was just exactly what you'd 86 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,519 expect to be that to be. There was a pool, there was a 87 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:16,439 dj they do they have dwarves with with with with plates on their heads with 88 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:20,800 with with with pills and lines of coke and stuff. No, no dwarves. 89 00:07:21,319 --> 00:07:24,560 I think that's probably only in the movies. But you know, it 90 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,439 was about it was about as close to the kind of movie cliche idea of 91 00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:31,839 a Betha that you could possibly get. And how these people made their money, 92 00:07:32,079 --> 00:07:34,639 Yeah, good question. I think I did ask that actually of our 93 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:39,600 host, how did your land would make his money? And he thinks that 94 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,959 he inherited it a right inherited. So the old fashioned work. I see. 95 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:47,759 Well, okay, well, I'm sorry to have to bring you down 96 00:07:47,759 --> 00:07:56,199 temporarily from your your mandy cloud to come and you don't even do that to 97 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:01,600 come down to the reality of doing a London calling. Oh can I just 98 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:09,000 bore you briefly with my progress on this sodding stupid keto diet. So I 99 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:13,199 over my second week and I haven't even gone into full keytosis. I've been 100 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,079 peeing on this little stick which changes color to tell you how much ketosis you're 101 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:22,920 in, and I'm really I'm many on the outer fringes of it. It 102 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,759 just seems to me that you do it, you make a slight mistake and 103 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:30,160 you come out of keytosis. Or maybe it's just really you've got to so 104 00:08:30,439 --> 00:08:35,600 restrict every last tiny bit of sugar and carbs that you can't really you really 105 00:08:35,639 --> 00:08:39,080 can't eat anything apart from steak and bacon and an egg and clotted cream, 106 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:45,679 which is nice. But it does get a bit a bit wearing to imagine 107 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,639 that that's that's good for you as well. It sounds a bit like Jordan 108 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:54,240 Peterson's diet. I've signed up for something called the Zoe Program. Do you 109 00:08:54,279 --> 00:09:01,200 remember during COVID, the Zoe app. There would always be data yielded from 110 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,840 the Zoe app, which supposedly rivaled the ONS data about how many people were 111 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:13,039 infected at any one time, and often the data on Buya the Zoe app 112 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:22,759 was a bit more optimistic than the data being produced by various public health authorities 113 00:09:22,039 --> 00:09:28,639 and the NS, so we occasionally reproduce some of the data in Lockdown Skeptics. 114 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,799 There was anyway I've signed up that you can sign up to a kind 115 00:09:31,799 --> 00:09:35,799 of Zoe health program, And of course they do monitor all your kind of 116 00:09:37,039 --> 00:09:39,919 data and you have to kind of consent to that, but they also send 117 00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:45,519 you this kit and you have to kind of pooh in a in a lovely 118 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,480 sample bag of stunt kind and send it back to them, and they analyze 119 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,600 your pooh, and they analyze your pee, and you tell them what your 120 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,639 typical diet is, and after sort of after crunching the data, they then 121 00:09:54,799 --> 00:09:58,240 get back to you and tell you, you know, how many bananas you 122 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,399 should be eating a day, what percent your diet should be meet, what 123 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,639 percentage of vegetables, how much rougher union, et cetera. Am I doing 124 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,399 it with my wife and she she persuaded me to sign up to on the 125 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,279 grounds that would be something nice we could do together. So I've signed going 126 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,360 bags together. Hers poo bags when you're when you're when you're young, it's 127 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,320 kind of you know, you can you can go off to parties together, 128 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:22,639 learn ballroom dancing, but when you're our age, it's pooing in bags. 129 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:28,120 But yeah, so I'll be able to join you on this weird diet. 130 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,720 Okay, time, James, have you you haven't had any any result, 131 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,639 you haven't been told what you've got to do, haven't sent me the kit 132 00:10:35,759 --> 00:10:37,960 yet? I only signed up to it last week. Has it occurred to 133 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:43,840 you? You know those things where you can research your ancestry and see whether 134 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:46,519 you're descended from Genghis Khan as we all are, of course, as in 135 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,720 twenty three and me, you mean genetically that kind of thing. Yes, 136 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:54,200 exactly, those those things, and they seem like a tremendous wheeze at the 137 00:10:54,240 --> 00:11:01,519 time, and everyone was sort of exchanging notes on how how you know how 138 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:07,480 Mongol they were or how scout Chewish, How Jewish they are? Yeah, 139 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,679 how Jewish they are. I don't know how you measure that, but I 140 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,120 think it's it's I think, I think. I think that is one of 141 00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:18,279 the um bits of data you get when you do twenty three. In me, 142 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,320 it tells you how much how much Jewish ancestry you have and what percentage 143 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,720 of what percentage of you you are And one reason I haven't done it, 144 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,799 so I'd be very disappointed if I wasn't at least fifty percent. What are 145 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:37,039 you well, No, probably not. There's probably some Jewish blood. I'd 146 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:43,559 only like to be m Jewish from the actual, you know, proper kind 147 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:50,320 of children of Israel, sort of Palestine Jews. Um, you know, 148 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,480 the original, the original deal. I wouldn't want to be because you want 149 00:11:54,480 --> 00:12:00,080 to be so Ashkenazi. Not yeah, you're not Ashkenazi? The other the 150 00:12:00,519 --> 00:12:05,960 what do they call Misserrahi? I'd like to be Misserrahi? Um? Have 151 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:09,200 you done it? Is this way brought it up? No, I was 152 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,840 going to say I was tempted to do it, But of course you realize 153 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:18,399 the real purpose of it, don't you. They can gather information so that 154 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,080 they can later on work out how to kill you. Basically, do you 155 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,120 do it? I haven't. I haven't. No, I haven't done it. 156 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:31,679 U and I think when you do your stuff, mate, No, 157 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:33,720 I haven't done it. I haven't done it, but I think when you 158 00:12:33,759 --> 00:12:35,159 do twenty three me, I think you can kind of you have to tick 159 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,440 a box if you want them to be able to share your data. As 160 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,320 far as I know, oh yeah right, they're really going to observe that. 161 00:12:41,639 --> 00:12:45,039 The kind of people who run only twenty three than me and not going 162 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,879 to have any moral conscience about anything, They just yeah, well, I 163 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:54,159 think that the their argument, James is that contributing to these global genomic databases 164 00:12:54,200 --> 00:13:00,200 will help us tackle disease and find cure. Do you think that's why Bill 165 00:13:00,919 --> 00:13:03,440 when that's what Bill Gates wants to do at philanthropy. But I think it's 166 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:11,240 part to release malaria mosquitoes into into America in the interests of of philanthropy, 167 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,799 just finding out how to cure malaria by giving people hilaria. I don't think 168 00:13:15,799 --> 00:13:22,600 he's holy philanthropic, but I think I think curing malaria and dealing with other 169 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:28,480 chronic diseases is probably a bigger part of why he does it. Do you 170 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:35,360 do you genuinely believe that you genuinely believe that that Bill Gates is well intentioned? 171 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,759 Well, I think I think he Well, it depends what you mean 172 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:39,080 by well intention, but I think he I think well, I mean, 173 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,000 do you do you don't? You don't you think he's genuinely good and he 174 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:45,519 and he wants to do good. You don't think he's evil and wants to 175 00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:50,200 work evil. But I think his his primary motive is to make as much 176 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,679 money as he possibly can. But I think his secondary motives. I don't 177 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:58,519 think he's pursuing a kind of a kind of a depopulation agenda was used sometimes, 178 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:01,080 You don't, I think more likely, more likely, you know, 179 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:05,480 for vainglorious reasons. He wants to be the person who goes down in history 180 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:09,320 as having cured a major disease like malaria, used his money. Do you 181 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,879 think he does? You think that that's even at the back of his mind, 182 00:14:11,879 --> 00:14:15,799 that he might try and cure any disease? Yeah, I think, 183 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,159 yeah, I do. Blimey, I've got a new a new range of 184 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:24,320 bridges for sales, and when you get back terms, I can't wait to 185 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,799 show you them to you. Well, pictures, I've only got pictures, 186 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,360 but but they are good. They're a special price to you and my friend. 187 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:35,759 Yeah, I think you're you're, you're, you're, you're willingness to 188 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:43,240 believe the worst of everyone is. It's slightly jaundiced. It's like in terms, 189 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:45,720 it's like it's like looking at, you know, across the room is 190 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,919 a guy with horns and a forked tail, and he's got sort of he's 191 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:54,039 got this nasty tongue, and he's looking at us with sort of red glowing 192 00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:58,120 eyes. And you'll say, James, why do you think why do you 193 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:01,200 want to think bad at this guy? He's just like, obviously he's just 194 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,240 born a bit, you know, with a with a horn defect and a 195 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:09,240 forktail defect, and and he seems to like, oh, poor guy, 196 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:15,519 he's addicted to eating children, and but actually he means, well, it's 197 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:20,440 a more accurate picture would be, you know, you're looking at a guy 198 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:26,039 sitting opposite you. He's one of the world's most famous philanthropists. He appears 199 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:31,720 to have devoted much of his fortune to curing malaria and other majors. He 200 00:15:31,759 --> 00:15:35,879 hasn't he's made like a bandit, and and you know, more likely he's 201 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:39,360 someone sitting obviously with a halo over his head. He doesn't rather than horns 202 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,080 and a forked tongue. Well, he was a regular. What do you 203 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,799 think he was doing on Epstein Island all those times? Do you think he 204 00:15:45,879 --> 00:15:48,039 was just kind of admiring the view and a game, a game of snorkeling. 205 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:50,879 Well, I have no idea why he was what he was. I 206 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:54,720 mean he went loads of times. We should we should probably you should probably 207 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,720 not speculate too much about that. We don't want to don't want to know. 208 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:02,639 He's not going to do any hard perspect might we know he was a 209 00:16:02,679 --> 00:16:07,440 regular visit to Epstein Island, and we know that Epstein Epstein was a compete, 210 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:12,399 pedo and pervert. So you know, join the dots anyway. Okay, 211 00:16:12,919 --> 00:16:17,399 who's going to do the first ad? Shall I do the first read? 212 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:23,000 So let's hear from one of our most loyal sponsors. 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Before we move on to whatever agenda 228 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:37,680 you wanted to promote, UM, I just wanted to mention something that I 229 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,680 didn't mention last week and should have done, which is has the plight of 230 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:51,559 my friend Abbe Roberts crossed the Free Speech Union's radar. UM. Abbe Roberts 231 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,279 is it is a comedian and a very funny comedian and lovely person. I'm 232 00:17:55,359 --> 00:18:00,799 very fond of him. And she went down to the hearings for the stupid 233 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:08,640 COVID hearings, the kangaroo whatever it is, the halt inquiring. Yeah, 234 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:15,960 and she turned up to see Matt Hancock arrive, and she shouted him at 235 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:21,680 him that he was a word beginning with C and ending in hunt. And 236 00:18:21,759 --> 00:18:26,119 I know that I know that it's it's a rude word, but I'm not 237 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:32,680 sure that shouting a rude word at Matt Hancock justifies what happened to which she 238 00:18:32,759 --> 00:18:37,160 was held. She was arrested and held in confinement for seventeen hours, so 239 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:44,240 she was in a prison cell overnight for calling Matt Hancock something, which is 240 00:18:44,279 --> 00:18:48,480 I think the very mildest of terms to describe somebody with so much blood on 241 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:53,240 his hands. I was wondering what your position would be on issues like this. 242 00:18:53,480 --> 00:19:00,119 Should people be being arrested for calling terrible loser? Well, I mean 243 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:06,720 psychopathic politicians what they are? Well? She charged, do you know when 244 00:19:06,759 --> 00:19:11,200 did this happen? But I mean seventeen being helped seventeen hours suggests to me 245 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:15,279 that she was, um. Well, it was an abusive police power, 246 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,400 isn't it. Why did they need to hear people for seventeen hours. Yeah, 247 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,240 I don't know. I don't know anything about it, haven't seen the 248 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:26,480 story. When did this happen to James M that just before our last episode? 249 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:33,720 Sound before last weekend? Right? Well if she, if she is 250 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:41,839 being charged with being grossly offensive, which is Section one to seven of the 251 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:51,359 Communications Act, then we are defending someone else who was charged and convicted of 252 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:53,920 being grossly offensive. Do you remember you talked about this before, but when 253 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:00,759 Captain Tom, the NHS campaigner who raised millions of pounds the NHS by walking 254 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:04,839 around around his garden when he was one hundred years when he when he died, 255 00:20:06,839 --> 00:20:15,400 an intemperate Scotsman tweeted the only good British soldier is a dead British soldier 256 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:21,480 and friends of his contacted him to tell him that they thought that was offensive 257 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,039 and he might get in trouble, so he, I think deleted it within 258 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,519 fifteen minutes, but Police Scotland already it had already been reported to Police Scotland 259 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:34,000 by then, and he was duly arrested and convicted under Section onety seventh of 260 00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:38,920 the Communications Act and sentence I think he wasn't sentenced to prison, but he 261 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:44,039 had to do community service and pair of fine. We are helping him appeal 262 00:20:44,279 --> 00:20:48,240 that conviction and we think it'll end up in the European Court of Human Rights 263 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,480 in Strasbourg, and we're hoping that if we can get that conviction overturned on 264 00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:57,359 appeal, it'll make it very difficult to convict people in future of being grossly 265 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:03,000 offensive, which is often why people like Abby Roberts are arrested and sometimes charged 266 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:08,279 for I see that. Did that legislation come in the grossly offensive? Was 267 00:21:08,319 --> 00:21:11,720 that? Was that a recent thing? Does that come from the Blair areas? 268 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:17,359 It's comes from the blarea. Yeah, just just like you think the 269 00:21:17,519 --> 00:21:21,960 things that people used to do in the eighteenth and nineteenth century to m peace. 270 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:26,240 You know, they'd often rough them up physically if they if they get 271 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:30,440 the chance, and they certainly would would chuck stuff at them and things. 272 00:21:30,079 --> 00:21:36,119 And the idea that a word, even if it's a rude word, I 273 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:41,920 mean, I have to say I would would if I were myself a vagina, 274 00:21:42,319 --> 00:21:47,319 I would be very upset about seeing my name taken in vain to describe 275 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:52,640 Matt Hancock. I think that is offensive to vaginas around the world. But 276 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,359 apart from that, I just I see nothing wrong with it. I mean, 277 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,519 you think of what Matt Hancock is and what he's done. It's it's 278 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:03,160 just small beer, isn't it just just tossing of a few rude words at 279 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,599 him. I'll tell you a story, James. Actually know, maybe I 280 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,400 shouldn't tell you the story going because it might it might be telling telling tales 281 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,200 out of school. But it's something that happened at the Spectator party. But 282 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:19,720 why weren't you there? When? Was it? It was on Wednesday of 283 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:25,599 last week? I'm sure invited that invite all the writers. Um, yeah 284 00:22:25,759 --> 00:22:27,920 I didn't. I do you know what it's sailed over my head? Was 285 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,880 it good? Yeah? It was? It was It was fun, yeah, 286 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,440 you know, like it normally is. The thing is ters? I 287 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:37,480 tell you what I mean, you know, I genuinely didn't know it was 288 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:42,359 on. But I you know, I mean people often say to you, 289 00:22:42,839 --> 00:22:47,160 don't they you know? What what's happened to James? What? Why has 290 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:52,319 he gone? Um? You know? Absolutely? Without leave? Um, 291 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,880 I think that there was there would be too many sticky conversations. Wasn't there 292 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,200 anything? It would be kind of awkward for me? Do you record you 293 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,400 reckon people? Would would I suppose when they became sort of after they've had 294 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:10,920 a few drinks and became disinhibited, they might they might start asking you about 295 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:15,160 some of the conspiracy theories. Oh you know, I wouldn't mind that at 296 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,680 all. I totally love that. It's just I find it quite hard, 297 00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:23,160 um making nice to people that you that you kind of despise, you know, 298 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,039 that's the thing. Wouldn't Quite a lot of them would be old friends, 299 00:23:27,079 --> 00:23:30,640 wouldn't they. I don't know what I've got any old friends. I 300 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,720 mean, you know there you are clinging on by your fingernails tapes, but 301 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,880 we were we know where the marriage is. It's rocky, but but we 302 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:45,119 you know, we have good makeup sex. But I just think some of 303 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,960 the people have you have you broken up with them? With most of your 304 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:53,599 old friends. Yeah, no, it's not officially, not formally, I 305 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,640 haven't. I just haven't seen them, and it's just like embarrassing. I 306 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:03,680 mean, it would be embarrassing enough just just seeing Dave Dave, whom I 307 00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:08,039 last saw one of what I was smoking splits with him in in PEC three. 308 00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:15,680 Um, I don't think I don't think Dave David Cameron was there actually, 309 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,880 so you wouldn't affect to see him anyway. So what were you saying 310 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:25,720 so before I went into this riff about well, no, I just I 311 00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:29,920 just swallowed. I just bit my tongue. But one notable absence, obviously 312 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:36,160 at the spectator parts was Jeremy Clark. I used to really likes, well, 313 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:41,119 yes, his memorial services today, and I rather regret the fact that 314 00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:45,359 I won't be able to go because I'm in a betha um But yeah, 315 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,680 he's and they're not having it at Saint Bright. They're having it at another 316 00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:55,440 church in h what's it called again, I can't remember now, but a 317 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,440 bigger church because they're expecting five hundred people. When I heard that, James, 318 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,880 I couldn't help but feel a twinge of envy and think, crikey, 319 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,519 how many people are going to come to my memorial service? I dad, 320 00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:10,200 it'll be five even be a memorial service for me. But anyway, he's 321 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,279 having a memorial service and over five hundred people are expected to turn up. 322 00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:17,440 So yeah, that's a good bloody impressive. That's a good turn out. 323 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,519 I'm sorry are you telling me that? Because I went on to my digression 324 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:26,079 about friends. You're not going to go ahead with this indiscreet anecdote now you've 325 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,440 got to Well, no, I really I realized that if I do, 326 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,440 I could be accused of, you know, um telling tales out of school. 327 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,759 What happens at the spectator party. I think it's supposed to stay at 328 00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:41,279 the spectator party. And it wasn't too too embarrassing because I use lines. 329 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:45,200 This conversation didn't happen at the Spectator party. I think it's too late for 330 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:52,359 that man. Anyway, Matt, it's what your favors for foot in Mouth. 331 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,880 You've written the whole books. Look, you've you've made a career out 332 00:25:53,920 --> 00:26:00,200 of this. Well I did, I have, but I have regretted some 333 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,799 of the indiscretions over the course of my career. James So, for instance, 334 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:08,920 in How to Lose Friends and Alienate People, I wrote about an episode 335 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:14,319 at the groutche Club I was filming. I was trying to arrange a photoshoot 336 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,319 for the Cool Britannia issue of Vanity Fair, which is in ninety six, 337 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:25,079 and it was a photo shoot with Keith Alan Damien Hurst and the chat from 338 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:32,119 Blur, who's become a cheesemonger? Alex James. Yeah, and as a 339 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:38,079 condition of agreeing to cooperate, they demanded cocaine, not just to be applied 340 00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:42,200 with vodka and as much as they could drink, but also drugs, and 341 00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:48,400 so I had to kind of admittedly not terribly difficult to obtain in the Grautcho 342 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,400 Club. I had to do a bit of kind of scrabbling around, and 343 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,559 they behaved like complete prima donors. I mean, they couldn't have made my 344 00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:59,920 life more miserable. They were like the kind of worst cliches of kind of 345 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:06,119 pampered, entitled celebrities like you know, you mentioned Simon Sharma throwing a hissy 346 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,559 fit when his pillow got lost in transit. I mean, they were like 347 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:15,759 Simon Sharma pillarless times ten. And my revenge was to write about just how 348 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:19,640 appallingly they behaved in Hadley's friends and alienate people. Because I mentioned the Graut 349 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,440 Show Club, Matthew Freud, who was then one of the owners of the 350 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,759 Graut Show Club, banned me from a graut show club. And I've been 351 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:30,440 one, I've been a virtually a founder you were, and it was my 352 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,559 home away from home. And since then, not only am I not allowed 353 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,880 to come as a member, even though they haven't refunded my membership for you. 354 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,559 Obviously, I'm not allowed to be taken there by anyone either if there's 355 00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:47,799 a book part even now or even now, and so a couple of times 356 00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:51,359 since people on the membership committee friends of mine have said, do you know 357 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,319 what, Toby, I think there's been enough water under the bridge. I 358 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,000 think we can get you back in. Let me, let me make a 359 00:27:56,039 --> 00:28:00,119 pitch to the membership committee. But it would probably help if you wrote to 360 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,319 the chair of the Membership Committee and profit some kind of apology. And so, 361 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,839 of course I've duly done this, only to be then told I'm afraid 362 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,640 Toby. The Membership Committee took a vote on this and they've decided to uphold 363 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,200 the ban. It's like so humiliating, it's bait and switch. I feel 364 00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:18,799 like the kid in the Peanuts cart being baited by Lucy with the football. 365 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:22,240 And it's happened twice now. And even though people still suggest to me even 366 00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:23,319 today, you know, I think I could get you back in. I'm 367 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,359 on the membership committee. Let me have a go. I'm like now, 368 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,039 I'm like, no, I've been humiliated three times over this, not never 369 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:36,400 again. I didn't even know the Grout show was still going. That's how 370 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,960 out of touch I am. Do you think we ought to do our Yeah, 371 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,440 let's say from our Yeah, let's let's let's r another aud Going online 372 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:52,640 without Express vpn, it's like using your smartphone without a protective case or driving 373 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,920 your car without a seat belt. You only have to leave yourself vulnerable once 374 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:03,200 for very bad things to happen. 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I remember a few episodes 390 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:30,400 back you said you thought the kind of real reason behind mass immigration and the 391 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,799 authorities tolerance for all the small boats arriving there, the lack of any real 392 00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:40,599 will to do anything about it, the fact that you know, net migration 393 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,920 in the most recent year was something like was it something like eight hundred thousand, 394 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:51,920 highest number one record, And you said, well, it's all part 395 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,680 of the plan. These are essentially the WEF's foot soldiers who are going to 396 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,200 turn on us and start attacking us. I think you you you were thinking 397 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:04,079 it was part of some diabolical plan to kind of assert control, reduce our 398 00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:11,079 liberties, erode democracy. But curiously I noticed that one of the first things 399 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:18,640 Makron has suggested as a solution to the ongoing rioting, the outbreak of civil 400 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:25,240 disorder across France in response to the murder of this seventeen year old boy. 401 00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:26,039 May not be murder. I don't think if guy's been tried yet, so 402 00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:32,440 let's not pre empt that. But one of Macron's first responses was, let's 403 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:37,519 let's let's cut off the internet in these areas where civil disorder has broken out, 404 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,119 Let's impose curfews. It was almost as say they were building up to 405 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:48,119 let's impose another lockdown. So even though you know, I'm not suggesting that 406 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:56,480 the youths of North African heritage rioting in city on the outskirts of Paris are 407 00:31:56,599 --> 00:32:01,079 doing it at the bidding of Klaus Schwab or Bill Gates. Nonetheless, the 408 00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:08,160 the the policy of mass immigration in France, dating back to what the nineteen 409 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:14,279 fifties does seem to have produced a kind of tinder box which is now being 410 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:22,039 rolled out as an excuse to interfere with basic liberties. Right yeah, well, 411 00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:24,039 look, I mean it's ultimately it's I don't know how you pronounced it. 412 00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:29,200 Is it the clergy or clergy, but either way, clergy couldn't have 413 00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:31,880 plan which has been around for a long long time. It's it's it's white 414 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:37,599 replacement. It's it's part of the destruction of our culture, the takeover. 415 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,759 Yeah, but I also think that that that that in the in the medium 416 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,440 term, they want to use these people as kind of police, as as 417 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:50,000 paramilitaries with no loyalty to their host community, who are prepared to go in 418 00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:53,799 hard and and and and crush any resistance when things kick off. But you 419 00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:59,079 know, I mean, we're we're talking about we're talking about the devil. 420 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,640 This the Devil's ultimately in charge, and he controls things like the Triatural Commission 421 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:12,160 and the counsel and foreign relations and lesser players like the WF and we are 422 00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:19,279 heading for very grim times seven years of tribulation. The problem with that hypothesis 423 00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:28,359 is partly that the people rioting are not exclusively first, second, third generation 424 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:35,839 migrants. Some of them are seemingly white, indigenous French people. And it's 425 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,839 as though, you know, it's it seems to me to be more symptomatic 426 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:45,039 of a general lack of respect for the rule of law, a collapse in 427 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:52,599 the family, Western civilization teetering on the brink, and and not not a 428 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:58,920 kind of malaise that's just confined to migrant communities. So it doesn't feel like 429 00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,039 it really is part of of a plot or a conspiracy. That's that's a 430 00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:07,720 separate point terms I mean, I mean, I'm not saying that that that 431 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:14,039 people with fair skin haven't got as much right to to to riot as as 432 00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:19,599 any other other nationality or skin color or whatever. It's not it's not that. 433 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,239 I'm just saying that if you if you import loads and loads of people 434 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:29,199 from an entirely different culture to your country and you've housed them in say well, 435 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:35,920 I mean scarily on ex military basis or x on decommissioned air fields, 436 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,880 which is what or you put them in hotels in every single town around around 437 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,800 Britain at massive expense to the taxpayer. And you know, France is analogous, 438 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,320 although it's got its own problems. Um that you have to ask questions 439 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,360 about why these people are there, and I have to say that that it 440 00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:01,920 tends to encourage suspicions that die things are heading our way and we can only 441 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,119 speculate on it because we weren't known until it kicks off. But there's something 442 00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:08,480 really odd about it, you know. But most people are right in rural 443 00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:15,480 Britain are very disturbed about the fact that there are these these hotels where they 444 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,320 were perhaps planning to have their wedding or something. Suddenly the hotel has been 445 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,559 closed and shared. Loads of money has been chucked at the hotel owner by 446 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,119 CIRCO or whatever been you know, by by the government. Basically i'd buy 447 00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:32,400 you me the taxpayer to house these people, and it's it's weird. What 448 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:37,519 are they doing here? What they have They all come to to pick fruit 449 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,880 or or or work McDonald's. I'm not seeing any evidence of this. Well, 450 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:46,039 I think I think most of them. I mean, I think i'd 451 00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:54,280 agree with you that the claim that a majority of illegal migrants end up on 452 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:59,320 our shores because they're genuine asylum seekers, I think that's that's probably not right. 453 00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:01,880 But I think most of them are economic migrants, that they are coming 454 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:07,199 here in search of better opportunities, a better life, because we're so much 455 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,119 better off than the places they're leaving. But I was thinking more in the 456 00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:14,679 specific French context. One thing that struck I mean, people say, you 457 00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:22,199 know, it's because they have people in these communities haven't been properly integrated. 458 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:29,400 They feel alienated by the French policy of trying to impose French culture on them, 459 00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:31,760 and ye know that they have a less kind of lay say fair multicultural 460 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,320 approach to assimilation than arsen It appears to have backfired. The banning of the 461 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:44,280 burker and so forth has left these communities feeling very alienated from the French state. 462 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:51,079 And they have much more regard for their parents' cultural heritage than frances cultural 463 00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:52,840 heritage and as everyone, and that's what a lack of loyalty to the French 464 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,440 state is what's prompting this kind of outbreak of civil disorder. I think one 465 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,400 shortcoming of that hypothesis is that many of the rioters when you see them when 466 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,199 their interview, seem very French. I mean they may not be white, 467 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,920 but nonetheless they have that kind of you know, gallic arrogance. They kind 468 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:14,639 of have that kind of you know, French in soisions. And also, 469 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,000 you know, it's virtually a tradition in France to riot. I mean they're 470 00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:23,719 almost continuous riots in French cities, but you know, the republics are kind 471 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:30,559 of typically defeated after thirty five or forty years. Revolution is virtually a cultural 472 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:35,320 tradition in France. So perhaps the issue isn't that they haven't been probably integrated 473 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,159 and they're not French enough. Perhaps the issue is that they've become too French. 474 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:44,920 Yeah, maybe I think it's probably the Sabbatian Francis who taught the French 475 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,920 how to revolve. I mean, look that France was a was a great 476 00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:52,159 was a great power and a great country and a great people. And I 477 00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:59,800 think that I think that the powers that be have long sought to destabilize France 478 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:05,960 in different ways as they have to to destabilize Russia and and and so forth. 479 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,760 And I mean, let you present these things as kind of national characteristics, 480 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,519 but I'm not sure where they are really. I'm sure that what it 481 00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:17,039 comes down to is that the forces of darkness know how to manipulate different countries 482 00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:22,280 and push their buttons. And I mean I don't ultimately, I think that 483 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:28,679 the people who are controlling these riots, you know, although that the individual 484 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,920 writers may feel they have autonomy and that they they are they made the decision 485 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:37,079 and they're protesting, I think that this this, this this violence was fomented 486 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:44,639 by by bad actors. Anyway, Um, okay, should we should we 487 00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:47,599 take a break now for a programmatic ad and then yeah, I think we 488 00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:52,880 should everybody James Lilax, you're for the Ricochet podcast, the Flagship Podcast. 489 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:57,519 It's July. That means it's hard. What better to do than sit inside 490 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,320 with the air conditioning going? Well asked why they listened to the heated, 491 00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:06,920 sparkly, brickly fireworks like opinions of Peter Robinson, rob lag and myself as 492 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,880 we talked to Well, you'll just have to tune in and find out, 493 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,679 won't you. It's ricochet dot com where the Flagship podcast can be found every 494 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:20,480 week. Don't miss it. Okay, Gems, what have you seen in 495 00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:28,639 the past week? Wow? Well, I've my family have been watching Wimbledon 496 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:36,280 and the Third Test, and I there's no point raining on their parade by 497 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,800 saying this is Bread's bread and circuses. This is designed to distract you from 498 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,880 from the horrors that are being imposed on you by the elite. I mean, 499 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,440 it's I think it's typical that the BBC is all over Wimbledon. The 500 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:55,800 BBC arch propagandists wants to keep hold of these these cultural events and do weird 501 00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:01,960 things like you know, it's this thing they do where they interview They stand 502 00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:07,519 up on the on the court after the match and they interview them about twenty 503 00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:10,480 feet away from the from the player. What's that all about? Yeah, 504 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,840 no, I haven't I'm not sure. I haven't watched much of Wimbledon, 505 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,519 but so like a legacy of of COVID. Well, well, I'll bring 506 00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:22,559 it up to speed. All the Brits have been knocked out. I didn't 507 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:27,039 know that. Yeah, yeah, um yeah, And I saw I saw. 508 00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,960 I saw Andy Well, I saw him getting back into a match against 509 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:37,199 a Greek player whose name I went trying to pronounce, but he sits it 510 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,599 pass, that's it, um and he and I didn't watch him. It 511 00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:43,480 looked like he was going to go on to win that. I mean, 512 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,960 he came back from one set down to then take the next two sets, 513 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:51,079 and then match play was stopped because it was quite late, and then he 514 00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:54,760 resumed the following day and lost, which I thought was pretty disappointing. Well 515 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,599 is it? That is it? I mean I was watching. I was 516 00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:05,960 watching my favorite m player, obviously, because he was no Vaks and stuff, 517 00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:12,880 Novaks Djokovic, and he's just so good. He's so good that I 518 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:20,119 find it hard to believe that in twenty thirteen, Andy Murray beat Djokovic in 519 00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:23,119 the finals. How did that happen. I could only have been the noisome 520 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:30,039 partisanship of the Wimbledon crab, which I find I find loathsome I can't fathom. 521 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,440 Yeah, yeah, the way that they cheer when the player that don't 522 00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:38,239 like misses a shot or flush, or maybe the ball hits the net and 523 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,960 doesn't go that lands on the wrong side, you know, luck doesn't go 524 00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:45,280 their way and they boo and it's awful. Well, I thought we were 525 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,599 supposed to believe in good sportsmanship. I think they should sit there and watch 526 00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:52,639 and shut up. Yeah, I agree. I think that is very poor 527 00:41:52,639 --> 00:42:00,000 form. Did he see that when the Belarusome woman lost to the Ukrainian woman, 528 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:07,159 the crowd boo booed the belarus as she as she walked off, not 529 00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:10,480 not realizing that Belarus is a completely different country from Russia. I suppose they 530 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,440 think of it as a as a Russian ally. I don't know anyway, 531 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,119 So much for Wimbledon. Have you seen anything else? Not much on TV? 532 00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:20,320 I do what I tell you what I've been doing. Book books wise, 533 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,400 we have finally reached the point wife and I where we can no longer 534 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:30,840 bear to listen to another book from the Utred series. I've just had of 535 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:37,159 the Shield war and wasp sting and the smell of shit and blood and guts 536 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,679 and detailed descriptions of people being disemboweled and then trodden on, and the jabbing 537 00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:45,079 of wasp sting and blah blah blah, and how tough it is in the 538 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:50,559 Shield. I think enough already, I've had enough. I've I've I've heard 539 00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:57,840 every variation on the theme of combat in in the era of King Alfred. 540 00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:00,639 I don't want it, so so we've we've moved on to Trollop, where 541 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:05,679 we listened to one hundred percent Trollop now rather than just on car journeys, 542 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:10,440 and we're listening to Um the the second one in the with the Irish name. 543 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,960 I keep forgetting his name. Isn't it something finn about the Irish MP. 544 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,719 I don't know why I keep forgetting the name. I mean, it's 545 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:27,320 sort of it's it's a really odd book title, because why you know a 546 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,679 book. Oh, I suppose it's like Anna Karennin who I suppose that's the 547 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,360 named after a person doesn't exist as well, But anyway, Finnish Finn just 548 00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:36,440 doesn't doesn't do it for me. Um there's a lot. There's a lot 549 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,360 of nineteenth century politics. Yeah, that's the second in the Palace and Novels, 550 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,800 isn't it. Yeah, there's there are a few hunting scenes in there. 551 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,840 Seem to recall Oh yes, oh Tobes the hunting scene where he stakes 552 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,599 his horse or whatever the whatever the term is when you're you're jumping up a 553 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:58,599 river and your horse goes headlong into the other side and breaks its neck and 554 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,119 old Lord Wat's his face breaks. Actually, Lord Wats's face has the same 555 00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:06,599 injury that I had when I was hunting with the heath Thrip a few years 556 00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:10,519 ago, where he breaks his collar bone and several ribs, and um, 557 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,079 so I had great sympathy for him. Yeah, the hunting scenes are really 558 00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:19,800 good. The politics scenes are just so darn You think, why Anthony, 559 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,480 why are you taking this crap seriously? All They're all a bunch of Charlatans. 560 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,039 Stop it already enough. You know that I love the Palace and Novels, 561 00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:30,559 and I still got one left actually in that series. I haven't read 562 00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:32,760 The Prime Minister's Children. I've read away the other it's very very good. 563 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,519 And I'm currently listening to Framley Parsonage, which I think is the fourth novel 564 00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:42,920 in the BArch To Chronicles. But yeah, very good as well. He's 565 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,480 an eminently listenable, readable writer. It wasn't to him which which a better 566 00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:52,000 would you say? I think? I think the BArch To Chronicles marginalie better 567 00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:55,440 than the Palasin novels. But much of a much you don't get. They're 568 00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:00,960 all rated by Timothy West, which which is he's a joy, isn't to 569 00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:04,719 listen? He's so good, he's a really really he was almost like it 570 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,119 was born to read, to read, born to do it. Yeah, 571 00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:14,119 but what's extraordinaries I find when when he does he does the women's voices, 572 00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:17,239 I mean does he's great with accents and but what's really impressive is that when 573 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,280 he does a woman's voice, you know, you can completely believe it's a 574 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:28,519 woman talking. Um. He's just remarkable like that. You're you're absolutely right, 575 00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:31,320 he's he's brilliant. I was going to ask you, does the kind 576 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,440 of the clerical stuff get in the way and the way the politics does in 577 00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:39,199 the political novels or is it handled lightly? No? Not no, no, 578 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,639 it's it's it's all handled quite lightly. I mean you have to kind 579 00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:45,920 of you know, you immerse. You're you're immersed in the kind of office 580 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:51,719 politics of the Church of England. Yeah, but that's how all quite interesting 581 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,960 and you realize, I mean, it's amazing contrast during the Church of England 582 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,639 today. But back then, you know, being an archbishop, being a 583 00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:04,960 bishop in the Church of England was a position of extraordinary prestige. Even being 584 00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:07,840 a dean or an archdeacon was you know, you were virtually at the top 585 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:14,079 of the kind of Victorian social hierarchy. And it's in such it's so different 586 00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:17,280 today, isn't it. Oh totally tays in my my, my, my 587 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,679 fantasy, my historical If I had to go back in time and be anyone 588 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,719 anywhere in history, I would be. Um. I'd have a nice rectory. 589 00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:29,559 I would be a hunting parson, and I would save the souls of 590 00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:34,280 my of my my parish, and I can actually been very happy doing that. 591 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,840 I'm so happy. I can picture you now in a dog collar. 592 00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:42,239 Yeah, golden horses. I'd be I'd be really I'd be really happy doing 593 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,400 it. Um and um. And also I'm finishing. I'm finishing. I'm 594 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:51,800 on the on the home strait of Anna Karna and the disappointment about reading. 595 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:57,440 Anna Karna is realizing that you will never read a book, a novel as 596 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,599 good as that. Again, it is absolutely pete lit. It will never 597 00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:05,840 get better in my view. And are you reading that or listening to it? 598 00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:10,320 I'm reading it, okay, I just now it's completely switched to audience 599 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,320 books. I go, I find it hard to read a book. But 600 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,480 having said that, I have just read most of What About Men, the 601 00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:22,239 new book by Caitlin Moran, which may surprise you to learn I read most 602 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,880 of it because I'm writing about it in my spectator car I was gonna say, 603 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,760 you're being paid to write to read it, otherwise to read it. 604 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would not recommended that one. James, 605 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:37,920 She's, she's, she's it's all about how how men men's the mental health 606 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:43,719 crisis, the identity crisis amongst men, particularly young men, can be addressed. 607 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:49,360 And she's concerned that they're turning to these toxic gurus like Jordan Peterson and 608 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,119 they really need well, they really need it, James deningbor. What they 609 00:47:52,159 --> 00:48:00,639 really need are wholesome gurus like Caitlin Morran. And she thinks the less that 610 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:06,159 women have taught themselves. The feminist movement and its successes over the past hundred 611 00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:09,440 years have an enormous amount that men can learn from. So she sort of 612 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:15,760 thinks she portrays She portrays the community of kind of liberated women as being a 613 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:21,920 kind of joyful community in which they share each other's they share their problems with 614 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,159 each other, they give each other mutual support, very quick to come to 615 00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:29,440 each other's aid when they get into trouble. It's a sort of utopian picture 616 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,400 of the kind of feminist community. And contrast it with kind of these poor, 617 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,760 sad, lonely men who can't talk about their problems, never come to 618 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:44,519 each other's aid, end up kind of feeling suicidal, suffer from acute anxiety, 619 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,280 and so on and so forth. But first of all, it's such 620 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,119 a cliche. It's it's sort of you know, even you wouldn't even even 621 00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:55,280 you'd even expect Prince Harry to come up with something more original than the reason 622 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,800 men have got problems It is because they don't talk about their feelings and cry 623 00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:01,679 enough, you know. But of course, if that's that is exactly but 624 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,960 that's exactly her hypothesis too. And yet James, you wouldn't believe this, 625 00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:08,639 But she talks about. She says, you know, but actually everything I 626 00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:12,679 know about Jordan Peterson his second hand. So I decided to take the plunge 627 00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:15,320 and listen to some of this podcasts. And she listened to this podcast of 628 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,719 him with Russell Brand in which towards the end of the podcast, Jordan Peterson 629 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:25,960 starts crying and having encouraged men to cry more and having kind of railed against 630 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:32,639 the taboo against crying amongst men, she then absolutely ridicules Jordan Peterson for crying 631 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,039 when he was talking about his feelings in this podcast. And also, so 632 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,400 you know, you think you've got problems as a successful man, you have 633 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,119 the occasional stalker. What about successful women? They get rape threats all the 634 00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:46,840 time. They can't disclose the fact that they have children unless male stalkers go 635 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,719 to their children's schools and attack their children. You've never had it so good, 636 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,320 mister Peterson. You don't know what. You don't know the half of 637 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,719 the trials and tribulations of being famous. And it's like, so, having 638 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,400 encouraged him to cry when he cried, she then ridicules him for being a 639 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:09,280 cry baby. Um, so yeah, it's what they do because they're because 640 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:15,360 they're not bound by the rules of logic or let Les Marquess of Queensbrough rules. 641 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,400 They're just they played dirty. Anyway, I've written about it in my 642 00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:22,039 Spectator Colum this week. Oh good, I actually look forward to reading that. 643 00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:28,440 That that really yeah good? Would you want to go and snort some 644 00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:32,119 lines off off the back of a dwarf the dwarves heads? Yeah, now 645 00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:36,599 that I can see the dwarves beckoning James. So that's what Freddie Mercury used 646 00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:39,639 to do. Apparently that's why I brought it up. Apparently parches they used 647 00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:44,519 to have dwarves with cocaine on their silver trays on their heads. I think 648 00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:49,519 right, And I'm afraid this is very middle aged and sedate by comparison. 649 00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:53,760 Anyway, is it is? It's the it's the sky blue, um and 650 00:50:54,000 --> 00:51:00,119 and is the sea clear? The sky's are maybe a little bit hazy and 651 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,760 can't can't quite see the sea yet, but I'm hoping it's going to clear 652 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,480 up. We're gonna have an azure sunset later one good. Well, I 653 00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:13,840 have a good have a good Timetabsum. I envy you your thanks. James. 654 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:37,840 By back next week. Hi Yah's London fully Ricochet join the conversation