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details. Well awful weekend. It
has seen Canello return and win again,

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this time in Mexico for the first
time over a decade as he gets a

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decision victory over a valiant and bloody
good Lord John Ryder. We are back

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to recap at all on the Fight
Freach United Recap podcast. I'm merely the

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somewhat competent host t J Reeves.
He's our insider from Fight Freach United,

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a substack Big Fight Weekend dot Com. Hello Dan, Raphael. Much to

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cover on that night news, some
nostalgia. How are we doing with Kennello

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having returned and having one in Mexico. Not an expected that he won.

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He was dominant. Let's get into
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How are you doing very good?
You know, we'll get into all

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I think they pretty well know.
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By the way, make sure you
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you have been doing that. I
was going to ask you this, do

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we need to set up another giveaway, another bribery. We need to contemplate

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this and think about this for may
because we've done these in the past.

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It's been a little bit since we've
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weeks. We can get another one
goal. Let's let's contemplate on what we

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would do there. Because I uh, if people follow my tweets, I

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completed like a really big trade of
nemorabilia a few days ago. I aware

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of said trade, and I do
follow your tweets religiously. What is said

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trade that you completed for memorabilia?
Well, I traded like a combination of

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programs, posters, and tickets.
I traded like twenty five items and got

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back like twenty two of similar items, similar value. But the reason I'm

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saying this is because as I was
pulling out the items I needed to give

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over in my half of the trade, I was going through some of my

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material and finding, you know,
different things and that potentially duplicate items perhaps

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could be used down the road.
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don't have to know at all,
and we're not going to be here on

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Tuesday, but how do you come
to a twenty five item trade for twenty

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two items? That seems very involved? If it wasn't, and you know,

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I love you if not borderline sick
that you're trying to congregate twenty five

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things to trade for twenty two or
twenty three others. That's this is This

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is a I'm not going to say
who it was, but it's a person

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in the boxing business. Okay,
Well I've known for over twenty years who

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I have had done trades within the
past, who was also a significant and

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serious collector, and uh, we
have been working on this for several months

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and we were finally he was in
the area, so we actually came to

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my home. So it just oh, he came to the raphael A stage.

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My wife set to me. All
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me when we were done, and
she was home later that day. She

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said, you had a good time
making that drug deal today, didn't she?

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Yes, okay, so just enlightening
and we don't have to go much

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further on this. How did it
begin? What was the thing you wanted

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that began the trade talks? No, there, it wasn't one item.

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It's that I know he's got a
ton of shit, and you had to

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have one thing in particular. You
really, there wasn't one thing. We

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had really did back and forth and
I went through his list of things that

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were available. Right. There were
definitely some things that were interesting to me

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that I didn't have that I wanted
that I coveted and whatever, and same

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of what I had extras of that
he was interested in. And so one

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thing leads or another, and he
started paring it down, and ultimately we

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didn't know exactly what the trade was
gonna be. But when you when he

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shows up in my house with a
bunch of shit, and I've got all

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my shit that I know he wants
pulled, and then we got to figure

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out I'll give you that for this, and we ended up working on it.

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And you know, we've been around
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we know what we're saying, So
it was just it was it was a

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great day for me for my collection, because you can go months, weeks,

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whatever, years without finding like a
truly nice piece that you're looking for,

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and this was a day where it
was like almost like a Christmas morning

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type of experience, like birthday.
So I got in my house where you

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were hoping he would just take some
other stuff like old appliances, like run

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down things in the garage, in
the trade as well, just take leave.

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Yeah, strictly boxing. I'll give
you an examples. So, like

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some of this stuff wouldn't mean anything
to anybody, but two and I tweeted

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these two of the items that I
got in the trade, which find from

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a monetary point of view, are
really not worth much of anything, but

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it's worth it to me because it
means something to me personally. So what

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I got in return among my items
was a full ticket and a program from

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a IBF Flyweight World Championship fight between
the then champion Hall of Famer Mark two

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Sharp Johnson again Luis Rollan. It
was the very first main event at the

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Turning Stone Casino in Verona, New
York, in nineteen ninety seven. Why

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would I care about something that long
ago? I was like my memorable sort

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of wondering that, and why why
did you care so much about that authentic

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ticket? That ticket and the program
are from And I didn't pick them up

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at the time. I have my
uh my credential. It was the first

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World Championship fight I ever covered in
my career, and so that's meaningful to

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me. And he had uh those
items and he traded them to me.

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That's all that sounds standing there we
go. I love that. Now that's

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on the low end of like value
slash interest, but from the sentimental standpoint.

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You've talked about that before, so
from the from the interesting and rare

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and valuable from a money standpoint,
but also something I have been interested in

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and did on my oneless for a
long time. But we'll just do this

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quickly. The best thing I got
in return for me for what I wanted

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was again a beautiful program from the
final bout in the career of Muhammad Ali

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against Trevor Bourbon, very scarce program. Wow, So that was for me.

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That was the jack button, and
he had an next one. I

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guess they're not floating around. Okay, this is all good stuff. Love

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the ray Field insight. Is it
like some of those NBA trades where you're

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trying to trade players that have guaranteed
contracts that set the bench or don't ever

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play anymore? Will you take him? You gotta take his contract? Well,

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I want that player, you want
this player, but you gotta take

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this contract. That's how they do
it in the NBA. It wasn't quite

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like that, but what I you
know, but I gave up some nice

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things also. I mean I gave
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I gave up, you know,
a rare a couple of some rare posts,

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not so much rare but hard to
sort of hard to get posters,

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some nice I gave up a couple
of like like in a Way tickets and

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Crawford tickets and one Machenko tickets and
nice and Fury tickets and Triple G tickets

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and Pacaut tickets. And the man
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I want to be the curator of
the ray Field collection, as he had

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all of that in the collection to
be able to make this trade. Yeah,

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no one more. Is that the
largest trade like this you've made twenty

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five or twenty two. I mean
it would seem that way, or is

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that in terms of the number of
items, that's the largest trade. Now,

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we have done some we've done some
pass trades that were substantial also,

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but this was the first one we
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you're sure that missus Raphael wasn't trying
to get him to take other stuff.

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Can you please, we need to
go to the dump. We need to

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go to goodwill or salvage. You
take this? Can you take this with

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you? Take the arm? It
was? It was It was a beautiful

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day in the radio collection, the
quezon art or whatever else we do.

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But this this is interesting though,
about your memorabilion, all the anniversaries and

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all that kind of stuff. So
we've got a lot to get you.

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Canelo Alvarez is victorious. I have
a couple of thoughts, but you go

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first here, Having watched him throughout
his career, how did he look in

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the home setting in the soccer stadium
right outside the suburbs of Guadalajara, as

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as John Ryder bled and bled and
bled from a busted nose for the last

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nine rounds of the fight. How
did it all look to you? What

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are your thoughts? Well, first
of all, I was happy for Canello

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that he was able to have that
kind of uh, you know, sort

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of a you know, hero comes
home type of moment. I mean,

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that's a big deal for any fighter. And they did a really great job

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in terms of the production of of
that event. You know, the ring

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walk. I mean I was watching
and I wasn't present. I've been present

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for some of those elaborate sort of
ring walks, but that ring walk was

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really something special. Watched with the
sort of souped up version of Eye and

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the Tiger I had never You and
I are contemporaries. You and I are

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contemporaries. We love the Stallone Rocky
series. I've heard ver different versions of

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Eye of the Tiger by survivor.
The theme used, I had never heard

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that. You think that again,
somebody help us if you don't know Dan,

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and maybe you do know. Is
that an original version that he had

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somebody do or is that out there? Because I was going, that's eyeh

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the Tiger, But I've never I
never heard it before. I never heard

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either, I mean the most I
mean, that was probably the second most

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memorable Eye the Tiger entry that I
can think of, the first one being

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off top of my head. A
fight that I was at present at the

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MGM was if you remember when Manny
Pacoo, who often came into Eye the

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Tiger, when he fought Sugar Shane
Mosley. It was like the dueling music

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stars that had Shane Moseley walked out
with LLL Cooljay singing, Mama said knock

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him out and then by the way, as in a side ella, I

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was sitting in the front row of
the media section for that fight, and

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in the front row, what they'll
do is they'll put chairs in front of

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the front row without a table,
and those chairs are sort of against your

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table, sitting directly in front of
me for that fight, and that night

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was Elle Coolja, who kept turning
around to ask me how I was scoring

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it because he was rooting for Shane, and I kept saying, Llo,

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your guys, you know I gave
him like I gave Llo way wait the

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punchline. He's gonna knock him out
if he's gonna win, He's got Mama

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said, knocked him out. Hello. Was not happy with my scorecard,

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but he understood that this guy was
losing pretty much every single round. But

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anyway, and the Manny Paco walked
in to the to the I guess the

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second lead singer who you know replaced
the original one, uh, survivor of

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Survivor, who's saying by the tiger
to walk. I remember this vaguely.

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Now I gotta go look it up
on you see. If they got the

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run, they got the ring.
I mean that was great. But Canello

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Kennella walked in with something spectacular with
the fireworks and the lights in the and

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then the ramp and they really did
an awesome production. That was a sensational

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walking and so that just got off
to the start. And listen, we

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all expected that Kennello Alvarez was gonna
win. Most of us thought he would

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win my knock out, but I
must hit the hat. I'm not wearing

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one, but I'll tip the proverbial
hat to the just outright incredible toughness and

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heart and balls and guts of a
John Ryder. This guy, uh,

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you know, he may not be
blessed with the greatest talent in the real

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boxing, but he has as big
a heart as you'll see. This guy

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took everything badly, messed up nose
and earlier fights found or so bleeding from

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the nose, bleeding from his mouth. Had been knocked down, almost got

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knocked down again with a who like
a howardz Er right hand that Canello threw

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and I want to see the eighth
round just I thought, can we just

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stop right there? I thought that
was a knockdown, and I know on

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the TV call that Todd Grisham and
Sergio Sergio Morris said at first, he

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said that was a tangling of the
feet. I never saw, and I've

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watched it back now a couple of
times. I never saw that on the

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replay. I thought it was a
shot on the side of the head.

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I thought the referee was out of
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I thought he knocked him down.
Did it surprise you? I thought

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it could have gone either way.
But ultimately it doesn't really make a difference

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because you know, it would have
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right at the end of the round, right at the bell. Right.

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But but so John Ryder, who
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hard, hard and tough, you
know, good solid fighter coming into this

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fight taking the over, you know, which a lot of people didn't expect.

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I mean, he ended up going
the distance. Good for him,

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But no, I'm listening. You
gotta respect what this man did and to

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be a nine rounds or so with
that kind of injury, and to not

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only fight the rounds with the injury, but have moments in the rounds even

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though he wasn't winning those rounds.
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And then at the end of the
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got a little bit tired, he
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three rounds. To me, the
you know, I know, some people

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were upset because one of the judges
had it a shutout for Cannello. The

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two other judges had at one eighteen
to one on nine. So they gave

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John Ryder two rounds, obviously the
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which seemed to me the reasonable,
like the real scores that like there's always

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and we've discussed this before, the
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this fight would have been anywhere from
like eleven to one in favor of Canelo

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to maybe nine to three in favor
of John Ryder. Why I was gonna

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say, what did you have it
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I gave him the eleventh round and
the twelfth round, so I had it,

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you know, ten nothing. And
I wasn't just giving him the tenth

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and the eleven than twelfth, you
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Let's get him on the scoreboard.
He won those rounds in my opinion,

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and I thought he was well.
But I had a ten to also.

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I just and the one thing,
and I want your thought on this.

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I love the guts, but I
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finish. He wants to say that
I went the distance, But there are

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a lot of guys that can say
I went the distance with Kennelo. Also,

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it's not like you'd be the only
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it. At what point do you
believe because because I really thought. I

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was going back and forth with our
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the middle of the night in England
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this is the tenth round. He's
not gonna land the haymaker. He's

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taking punishment. He's been bleeding from
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this fight. At what point does
the corner not say, we don't have

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a chance to win this anymore,
let's let's let's save it for another day.

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I mean, as long as he
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it's it's more of a superficial injury
thing. You're taking a batter into your

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head, so it looks bad.
Don't get me wrong, because there's so

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much blood. But I felt like
as long as the fighter was willing and

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able to go that I didn't have
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And David's point and pick it up
on this. He was defending himself,

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he was firing back. He wanted
to still be in there. He end

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up he signed up for I'm gonna
give it all that I got, and

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he was giving it all again even
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round, he was still firing back
to that point he won. He won

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the twelfth round in my mind,
and he wanted I think on at least

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one of the score guards. Yes, so I'm not. I don't have

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a problem. Tony Simms, who
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well as anybody I believe cares deeply
about him. He knew that his guy

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was okay to go. And again, the blood makes a look a lot

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worse than it probably is. But
he did take He did take a beating.

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But Canelo Alvarez, you know,
he got hit with some punches too,

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not in terms of volume, but
he got hit with some hard shots.

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Now, the copy box stats,
as we discussed numerous times, to

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provide a reasonable guide to a fight, even if they're not the end all

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be all, and in this fight, Cannello Alvarez literally landed like a little

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bit more than double the number of
punches over the twelve rounds. He outlanded

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John Rider in all twelve rounds,
and only in one round did he allow

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John Rider to land even double digits
that was I believe in the third round,

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I believe it was where John Rider
landed ten punches, and every other

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round of the fight he was nine
punches or less. So it was This

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may sound kind of weird for as
dominant a fight as it was on Canelo

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Alvarez's behalf. I gotta be honest. I mean, and I'm a big

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Canello fan. Everybody knows that I
didn't think he looked spectacular. I think

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that he's still a tremendous fighter.
He's still one of the best fighters in

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boxing, there's no doubt. But
I've done this for many years. I

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always sort of take a long view
of the career of somebody, kind of

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look at the career arc and try
to always pinpoint at what point does this

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fighter reach the absolute apex of his
career where he is the king of the

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world and he is on the very
top where he's going to be, And

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in the next fight you sort of
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little bit. So even when you're
three or four steps going down the other

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side, you're still great. But
the decline has started. And with all

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due respect to Canella, who was
one of the great fighters of our time,

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he's going to be a first ballot
Hall of Famer. He is the

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biggest star in the sport. He's
been, in my opinion for me personally,

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an absolute pleasure to cover for all
these years. I have been ringside

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for something like twenty three of us
fights or something like that. I believe

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that we are now on the other
side of that noun. So in my

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mind, to me, the apex
where he was at the top of his

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game, unmatched was on the night
at eighteen T Stadium where he beat the

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living shit out of him broke the
face of Billy Joe Saunders to unify the

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titles. And since then he had
the loss against Vaal. Now he can

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say partly because of the bad left
hand. Fair enough, he won,

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but didn't look really spectacular against Triple
G. In the trilogy fight, neither

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one of them looked really good.
It's sort of like, you know,

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Canello looked just like okay, but
Glofkin was way worse. So he won

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the fight pretty handily. And you
have this fight where again he beats John

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Ryder and does so convincingly. I'm
not knocking the victory by any means,

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but it wasn't the type of dynamic, sort of extra special sort of performance.

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We've seen it. So again,
I still think Canello is a top

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notch guy, but I personally believe
that we're on the other side of the

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mountain and the decline has to be
gone. How long it takes to make

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some guys the decline is almost instant, like when Roy Jones went over the

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mountain. It was, you know, a crash landing. Some guys,

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you know, it takes much.
It takes years before they really peter out.

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Bernard Hopkins as an example. Canello
I don't think is going to be

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done in one fight like Roy was
or two fights. But I also don't

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think we're gonna see him fighting into
US fifties the way we did. Bernard

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Hopkins still as an effective fighter,
but not the greatness that he had once

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achieved. Okay, so I put
this out there on Big Fight Weekend dot

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Com. I'll make two or three
points that go along with what you were

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saying. The first thing is we
all get older. Cannello is thirty two.

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He's going to be thirty three in
July, and in boxing that is

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older than a lot of sports,
depending on how much you fought. How

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I mean again, he's had sixty
three fights now, and you can get

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older quicker in boxing in your thirties. Thirties is almost like forty in other

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sports. I mean early thirties in
the NBA and professional basketball, early thirties

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in golf, a non contact sport, early thirties in baseball. Thirty two

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thirty three, you're still in your
prime. But if you've had a ton

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of fights like Canello has had,
thirty two or thirty three can be like

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forty or forty three in some of
these other sports. Okay, So that's

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one point. The next point I
would make is that Canello, even of

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a couple of years ago or three
years ago when I wrote this, would

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have finished John Ryder off, would
have come in, would have sworned him,

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would have finished him. I honestly
believe that, having watched him throughout

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his whole career, whether he was
cautious because of Ryder's size, the southpaw

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stands. He mentioned after the fight
him leaning in with his head, and

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he did catch him with his head
some Okay. So that's another point that

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I don't know that we're gonna see
Cannello anymore that we saw against Billy Joe

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Saunders or saw before that in all
of his other recent wins, Callum's smith

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backing up, blah blah blah.
I don't know. I don't know.

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A couple of points about that,
Yep. One is he's still good enough

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to be a lot of the top
guys. I'm saying whether he has a

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rematch with people and wins that,
that's a different story. But I don't

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look at it like, oh,
if he fights David Benavides, it's an

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automatic loss. Or if he fights
you know whoever, Charlot, if he

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moves up, it's a lot.
I mean, No, I don't look

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at it like that at all,
and no means whatsoever. But a couple

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of points about that. You talk
about the number of fights he's had.

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That was a sixty third fight officially. I've talked to people that have done

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something like looking into it, some
like historian types that have gone and studied

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like the micro film in Mexico and
that sort of thing. And I've talked

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to some of the people at Golden
Boy when they first signed him. Here's

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the reality. They may not be
on the official official record, but when

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Canello was a teenager, he's probably
got about another fifteen fights that never made

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the official ledger. Now, they
didn't go you know, they weren't ten

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round fights. He was fighting,
you know, garbage men and taxi drivers

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in Tijuana when he was or you
know, Mexico City or whatever when he

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was like sixteen years old. But
you're still getting in the ring, you're

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still getting hit, you're still doing
you know, you're still exerting yourself.

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So he has another like at least
a dozen plus fights are not appropriately recorded.

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And as a matter of fact,
you know, again my understanding is

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that you know, he's even got
a couple of losses in there as a

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young kid. So he has more
than we think he has. And that's

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not uncommon in boxing, where record
keeping has not really always been a perfect

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scenario. There are a lot of
fighters that are in history that have different

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real numbers of fights cent are on
their official ledger. Now, another point

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you made about the number of fights
he has, it's not the number of

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fights, in my opinion, that's
really not relevant. It's how many rounds

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have you gone. Because you can
have a fight that's thirty seconds and that's

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not gonna take anything out of you, more than a less out of you.

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Than a sparring session in Canelo,
albert is a sixty three fights at

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age thirty two. This man has
had four hundred and seventy two rounds officially,

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not including what I believe to be
another dozen plus fights that are even

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adding to that ledger now to put
it in perspective, I actually was looking

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this up because I was thinking about
it, because it's a kind of crazy,

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dorky geeky boxing stuff. If I
do Bernard Hopkins, who I just

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mentioned before, who was still effective
as a world championship level fighter into his

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fifties, and who had a lot
of fights and fought for a very long

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time. He was in his fifties, Like I said, when he retired,

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Bernard Hopkins retired with a total number
of and he went to distance in

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a ton of fights because and Bernard
was very defensive minded and you know,

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was never in a ton of wars
or anything like that. He was well

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preserved, which is why he could
last into his fifties. Bernard Hopkins finished

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his career with sixty seven total fights, so just a few more than Cannello

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has presently. And he's still going
five hundred and fourteen rounds. So as

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a fifty something year old guy.
He had five hundred fourteen rounds when he

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ended. Cannello was thirty two.
He has only a few less fights,

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four less fights in BIHAP and almost
as many rounds four seventy two would I

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say, five thirteen or fifteen fourteen, you're talking about only like about forty

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less rounds or so over the course
of that career. So that should tell

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you where. And Cannello, by
the way, as as tremendous of a

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fighter as he has been for a
long time, I think that anybody that's

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being honest would say, even though
Cannello has been a pretty good defensive fighter

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for a long time, he gets
hit more than Bernard Hopkins. Bernard Hopkins

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was a masterful fighter in terms of
and really you look at the last three

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fights to your point, Beebol Glove
can even hit him some and now right

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or even hit him some. So
that's that's starting to show up. And

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again you said it. I'm going
to say it again here too. He

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is still a world class fighter at
this point who beats most. We're not

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saying that, we're just going down
the road. And this is what we

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do on the podcast and with the
stuff. So I put it this way

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as the theme of what I wrote. How much longer are we going to

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see him with what he has left
in front of him and what he has

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to prove. So let's play that
out here, just for a second.

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In the ring after the fight,
he said, I want beeboll, I

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wanted it one seventy five. That's
what I want. I want the same

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terms. Okay, So let's play
that out. If they can come to

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an agreement and if he can beat
him, isn't the logical next thing that

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he's going to go for a fight
with Better BF for undisputed. I believe

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that's and you've talked about this,
and I think he's basically intimated as much

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that that's what he wants to cement
the legacy one more way, go for

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undisputed at one seventy five. If
if that's not what's behind it, then

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why do you care so much about
fighting Beeble at one seventy five? Just

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fight him at one set. I
don't know the reason. I don't believe

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that Cannelo's rationale for wanting to fight
at one seventy five is has anything whatsoever

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to do with Arthur Better BIV whatsoever. It's because he again, this is

408
00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:32,880
Cannello's point of view. He talked
about it to me in the interview that's

409
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,440
on our podcast. He spoke about
this in the post fight interview with Chris

410
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:41,440
Mannox on the Zone broadcast. He
feels like that he was hampered by the

411
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,640
hand in the first fight. You
can believe it or not. I'm just

412
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,799
telling you what Cannello said. We
can out of our own opinion. He

413
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,920
keep he keeps saying that the hand
was bothering me on the Caleb Plant fight

414
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,160
before the Beeble fight, that he's
had it really really real, real issue

415
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,319
was that was the Beeble fight and
then the glove Can fight, and he

416
00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:57,240
obviously had the surgery after the glove
Can fight. The fact that he had

417
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,359
in his mind a reason why he
wasn't at his best against Bivol. He

418
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,920
wants to go back and do it
under the same circumstance. Say I can,

419
00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:10,640
my hand is good, I'm in
a better condition. I can.

420
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,839
I could work out now because my
hand was in good shape. Butevers He's

421
00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:15,480
making the point that he couldn't do
the best in his training camp because of

422
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,759
the hand, not because it was
so much necessary affect him in the fight

423
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:22,200
specifically, But the point that he
wanted to make is that I wanted on

424
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,400
the same terms because if I force
you down to one sixty eight and I

425
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,240
beat you, I'm not going to
get the credit I should get is if

426
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:32,640
I go back to you and defeat
you at your at your where you're where

427
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,400
you're you know, one of the
champions. And from Bevo's point of view,

428
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,400
he's like, I already beat you
at one seventy five. The motivation

429
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,680
for me is I want to be
undisputed, so I'll fight you for your

430
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,279
titles at one sixty eight. And
Canello doesn't want that. So obviously there's

431
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:48,319
going to have to be some sort
of resolution, because you know, boxers

432
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,880
are stubborn guys. You know,
hopefully Eddie Hearn can talk some sense into

433
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,319
both sides and see if they can
come up with an appropriate resolution. I'm

434
00:25:56,319 --> 00:26:00,599
not sure what that would be,
but Canello is seemed pretty he steadfast,

435
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,559
maut that and listen if you ask
me, I mean, yes, Bible

436
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,200
certainly can walk away and say forget
it, it's one sixty eight or no,

437
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,160
I'm not doing it, and Cannello
could do the same at one seventy

438
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,480
five. But here's the bottom line. Cannello alvasts can still go and fight

439
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:17,480
pretty much anybody make like nine,
you know, eight figures easy Bevall.

440
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,680
If he wants to make the most
money, he's going to have to fight

441
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:23,400
the bigger name. So if you're
talking strictly on who holds the leverage in

442
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,359
terms of them, the Moulah,
the dough, the door Amy, you

443
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,640
know it's Cannelo. He holds those
cards, right. But Beivoll. You

444
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,039
know he's a proud guy. He's
a stubborn guy. Also, he's not

445
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:36,119
going to be forcing anything. I
hope that they can, you know,

446
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,079
for their sake figured out now.
In my opinion, I get the athletic

447
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,920
concept of it in them, in
the mentality, in the ego. And

448
00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:45,599
Eddie Hearn said it best in the
post fight interview. I thought, also

449
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:47,880
he says, we want you know, everybody's saying, well, don't take

450
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:48,440
that fight as a tough fight,
and ed He's like, what are you

451
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,039
talking about? This is what you
want these great athletes to do is to

452
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:55,519
put themselves in danger, take these
tough fights. So I personally think if

453
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:57,440
I was like the advisor for Canello, I was his manager, if I

454
00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:00,880
was his trainer, if I was
on his team, and they asked me

455
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,559
from my opinion about what we should
do next, I would go back to

456
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,279
my great line from Rocky Too.
He's all wrong for us. Maybe we

457
00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:10,400
do not need that man in our
lives. And I believe that now,

458
00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:12,240
if he decides to fight him,
I'm not I don't knock him. I

459
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,599
give him respect, because it's the
toughest fight he can take. In my

460
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,079
mind right now, is to go
back then to the Lions, then to

461
00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:22,559
fight against the metri Beeble. He
would be better off in terms of the

462
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:27,039
excitement level of the public and the
dollars that could be generated, and the

463
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,200
chances of winning, in my mind, are much greater if you were to

464
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,319
tap David Benavides on the shoulders.
I agree with that. I agree with

465
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,240
that, but let's just play it
out, because really, these are the

466
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,079
these are the names that we're talking
about here, and I don't know what's

467
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,400
much beyond this is what I wrote, beyond him, revenge against Beevil,

468
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,960
which, by the way, he
never got a chance for revenge against Lloyd

469
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:52,839
Mayweather, never got a second fight
with him. So beyond the revenge there's

470
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,759
maybe the Benavides fight, and there's
maybe if he beats Beevil, the undisputed

471
00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:00,279
fight with better BF. What else
is there beyond on like twenty twenty four

472
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,559
to prove and do When you have
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of

473
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,240
dollars, you have plans for life
after boxing, You have a family,

474
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:14,039
you have businesses, you have your
golf game, you have hundreds of millions

475
00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:15,119
of dollars put away if you want
to, if you want to run a

476
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,920
stable of fighters and prop that up, whatever you want to do. I

477
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,880
don't know, really what's there to
prove and do at age thirty four,

478
00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:26,160
five and twenty five or twenty six. I don't know what else is really

479
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,960
there anymore? I mean, and
I don't know what you would say the

480
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,079
odds of all these army and he
could just go the San King body route

481
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:36,720
and take a mandatory and make a
lot of money against whoever they put in

482
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,640
front of him in the next rotation. There are you know, benefits is

483
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,039
going to become as BC mandatory.
David Morrell, who's an excellent young fighter,

484
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,720
you know, who's only got you
know what, nine fights, but

485
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,799
is tremendous fighter. He's his WBA
mandatory. That's a fight that could get

486
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,519
ordered. That would, I guess, could happen, and you can laugh,

487
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,440
but this is obviously part of the
plan. When Natural Boxing signed Edgar

488
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,960
Berlanga, they did so with the
thought that at some point in the next

489
00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:06,079
year he's going to fight in what
would be a Puerto Rico, Mexico kind

490
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:10,599
of fight against Canello. Edgar comes
back and his first fight with Matchum in

491
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:17,000
late June in New York City against
you know what's the middleweight Jason Quickly Jason

492
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:19,640
Quickly at the Madison Square Garden Theater. If he wins that fight and looks

493
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,160
good and does what he's supposed to
do, which is get a knockout,

494
00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:27,640
there's a chance he would maybe have
one more fight after that and then probably

495
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:33,559
would get a fight with Canello.
Now that's obviously a chance to make an

496
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:37,720
event because Berlanga has a fan following
to some degree, and he's exciting,

497
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:40,519
and he's a big puncher, and
it is Mexico, Puerto Rico. So

498
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:42,039
you were asking me what could he
do. I'm just laying out. I'm

499
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:45,200
not saying I endorse this fight or
I endorse that fight. Or I love

500
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,000
that fight or I hate this fight. I'm just saying, you're asking what's

501
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:52,160
there. So he could go with
Bebo if they can work out the wait

502
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,480
scenario. He could maybe throw his
hat in and say I want to fight

503
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:02,759
better be at if he should win
his upcoming mandatory against against Callum Smith.

504
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:03,720
He already beat CAUNL. Smith.
I don't think they're going to do a

505
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,200
rematch. He could go that mandatory
route. He could say Morrel, he

506
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,720
could try to, you know,
see what happens with Berlanga. If he

507
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:14,799
wants to just make a big event. These are the types of fights he

508
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:18,920
did talk about with Eddie Renoso prior
to the Beeball fight. Let's go,

509
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,480
you know see if we can find
a guy that has a title at cruiserweight

510
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:26,519
and try to make that happen and
try to become a five division champion.

511
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:29,880
So those are all the types of
things in my mind that he could do,

512
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,880
and his team is in content and
insistent right now, he's gonna still

513
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,720
go back on that twice a year
calendar. May of this year that just

514
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:41,559
happened. Looking at September sixteenth for
the September Mexican Independence Day weekend, and

515
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,039
that's what it is. And the
other thing about is, as let's say

516
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:48,240
he makes the Beeble rematch, the
way that boxing works is while all that's

517
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:51,359
playing out, other fights emerge,
Other fighters emerge. You know, just

518
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,640
because we look at a list of
guys we think he could fight or won't

519
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,680
fight today doesn't mean that, you
know, three months, when something else

520
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,799
happens in the ring, that suddenly
there's a new opponent that jumps forward.

521
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:04,319
I say that as an example,
the name zang Zila was never on the

522
00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:07,920
lips of anybody as about a possible
Tyson Fury opponent. Well, he pulled

523
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,519
off the big win against Joe Joyce, and guess what they're talking about now.

524
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,720
A lot of people are saying that
might be the fighter. I agree

525
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,640
with you. Fights make fights.
So while we're all sitting here, you

526
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,720
know, looking at the list of
contenders at super middleweight and light heavyweight and

527
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:25,519
middleweights who might move up, etc. Some fight could happen where some way

528
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,960
suddenly somebody emerges and becomes a guy
that's, oh, that'd be interesting to

529
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,519
see him fight Canello. So you
know, these things have a way of

530
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,559
developing. But again, let's just
go on the timeline, and then we're

531
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:36,279
gonna move on off of this,
get to the rest of the card,

532
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:38,400
and we've got some other news Javonte
Davis stuff to talk about, and other

533
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,079
other stuff that we've got as well. You look at his last four fights

534
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:45,880
Canello before he put this to bed. The fight with Caleb Plant was for

535
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,240
undisputed at one sixty eight four belt
era and never been done before. All

536
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:52,359
right, So then the next fight
after that is move up to light heavyweight,

537
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,079
beat the unbeaten b vole if you
can, and set yourself on a

538
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,519
course to potentially be undisputed maybe at
light heavyweight. It didn't work, So

539
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:05,119
then the next fight is a trilogy
fight with Golovkin. One more fight against

540
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,920
him. That's yes, way overdue
by a couple of years or so,

541
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,519
but it was to put to rest. Who really should get their hand raised

542
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:16,160
out of their three fights, he
put that to rest. Now, this

543
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,039
fight was a meaningful fight because he
hadn't fought in Mexico in over a decad

544
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:22,480
You know, all this stuff I'm
just saying to the audience. So that's

545
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:28,400
four fights in a row where there's
something significant there. All due respect to

546
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:31,200
Edgar Berlanga, that's not an all
time thing where people care an all time

547
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,920
angle or whatever. Benevite and I
know you're not saying that Benavidez is a

548
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,680
little more interesting. I just wonder
if we're gonna have much more of Canelo

549
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:43,240
beyond twenty twenty four, like three
more fight? What else is there that

550
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:47,480
he hasn't already done. And it's
not money motivated, it's not standus motivated.

551
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:51,119
I mean, I will say this, I've never met a fighter in

552
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,480
my life who doesn't like to cash
another big check. So as long as

553
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:58,759
Cannelo was healthy and willing to put
the work in, he'll go make millions

554
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:01,000
of dollars to fight whoever. So
yeah, I'm not saying Berlange is some

555
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:05,319
historical showdown. But if somebody comes
to him, If if Eddie Hearn comes

556
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:07,359
to him and says Canello, well
we got like twenty million for you to

557
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,920
fight Edgar Berlanga in Mexico versus Puerto
Rico, I'm pretty sure that they'll say

558
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,839
where do we sign? All right? So you know that's the way a

559
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:16,279
lot of when you get to this
stage of your game and you keep have

560
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,079
these big padies coming in. I
don't know, anybody doesn't want to have

561
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:22,000
the big pads to keep coming in. But it's a different situation with him.

562
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,599
And you know this, it's a
different situation with him because he's got

563
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,200
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions
and business. Don't you know It's never

564
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:34,880
enough? Well, it never enough. It can be in certain circumstances.

565
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,440
I mean, Mark, let me
give you one. Marvin Hagler, it

566
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,920
was enough. He lost to Ray
Leonard. He didn't have to come back.

567
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,240
He had his money, he had
made his money in the early edies.

568
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,920
You know this. We've talked about
the name. He named one guy.

569
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,759
I just named one in a hundred
years, but I named one.

570
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,400
That's that's one that that's said it
is enough, and there there can be

571
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,720
circumstances where it is. And that's
like every fighter that's in their forties thinks

572
00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:58,920
they can come back and become the
champion because George Foreman did it. It's

573
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:04,680
one time that is true. The
preponderance of the evidence suggests that the fighters,

574
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,200
as long as they're even if they're
not, but if they're, especially

575
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,000
if they're willing and in shape and
healthy and still have something left, they're

576
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:13,519
not going to just walk away when
a big pay day is sitting there in

577
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:16,199
their lap. So I think Canello
alurs we justice content to take a monster

578
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,639
pay day to fight somebody on the
level of an Edgar Berlinga, as he

579
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:22,280
would be if he were to be
able to have a rematch with Dmita Bebo.

580
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,960
All right, stay tuned on that. On the undercard in Mexico,

581
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:32,239
l Ray Julio sees our Martinez had
some trouble with the little known Panamanian contender

582
00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:37,880
and Ronald Batista. We both have
the knockout on this one. It was

583
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:44,119
looking for a while Batista was actually
scoring on Martinez, and I know on

584
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,719
the Zone broadcast they kept saying,
what's going on here? He's fighting with

585
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,800
his back along the ropes. He's
letting Martinez. Martinez is letting Batista be

586
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,840
the aggressor. Well, then El
Ray turned it on and eventually got an

587
00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,719
eleventh round stoppage. He did have
a knockdown there that wasn't initially ruled a

588
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,719
knockdown. Celestino Ruiz, who's a
at times an adventuresome referee, let's be

589
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:13,320
kind with that. Like that phraseology, it was adventuresome and it had to

590
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,280
be overruled, and I thought it
was interesting. On the broadcast where Sergio

591
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,920
Mora and Chris Mannix were trying to
get to the bottom of the Mannix went

592
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,480
over and talked to Jose Suleiman.
I even knew this. I knew the

593
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:24,679
WBC has a rule. I've been
hanging around with you. The WBC as

594
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,599
a rule where they can use instant
replay. Now, if you want to

595
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,599
argue, is it Mauricio Suleiman's job
to get up and say that that's what

596
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:36,280
it should be. But it but
still Sergio saying there's no instant replay in

597
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,519
boxing, and I'm going, yeah, there is, and there and there

598
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:42,440
was in that instance, and that's
what it should have been because that clearly

599
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,400
was a knockdown. But anyway,
your thoughts on all of that, including

600
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:52,320
the adventuresome officiating of the referee as
l Ray gets the victory eventually by TKO

601
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,920
well very briefly on the replay.
There is replay in many jurisdictions around the

602
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,360
world that use it. It's not
always done under the same exact guidelines and

603
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,519
circumstances that bothers me, like it
drives me a little crazy. They do

604
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:07,599
use it, like for example,
in Las Vegas, you know, and

605
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:12,360
also throughout Nevada for certain but only
on specific instances, and so yes,

606
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,960
replay is used. Now, I
do not believe it as part of the

607
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:21,000
rules and regulations of the of the
commission that is overseeing the fight in Mexico

608
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:23,519
for on Saturday night. And just
because the w and I've try to make

609
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:27,039
this point a lot of times we
discussed it as related to the Connor Bend

610
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:30,960
drug case. The WBC is a
sanctioning organization. They have their by laws,

611
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:35,199
their rules, and all the things
that go into what they do.

612
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,559
What they basically are in charge of
doing though is conferring titles and doing rankings

613
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:42,440
and and um, you know.
But they get involved with charitable things.

614
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,280
They get involved with training referees and
those types of things. But when it

615
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,280
comes to actually how the rules are
going to be implemented during the actual fight,

616
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,239
that is strictly up to the local
commission. Now, they may speak

617
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,559
to the WBC and take certain things
under advisement, you know, such as

618
00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:57,760
you know, who we should appoint
as a referee or judge. They may

619
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,360
take an opinion from them, but
again they are not responsible before making those

620
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:06,159
selections in most places in the world, So Mauricio really didn't have the right

621
00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:08,480
to do that in my mind at
all. But here's the bottom line.

622
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:14,360
In the end, the right decision
was made correct to me, that's the

623
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,639
most important thing as opposed to standing
on ceremony. So yes, the right

624
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:24,039
decision was made. As I tweeted, could call bad process. So I'm

625
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:27,920
glad that it worked out. As
far as the fight goes, Julio sees

626
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,039
a Martinez to me, is like
a magician. Like the fact that he's

627
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:34,800
escaped as many times as he has
with his title still in hand is pretty

628
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,360
remarkable. He's now made six title
defenses, and he's had some trouble here

629
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,199
and there. I mean the Royal
fight where he was down in a crazy

630
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:45,119
shootout for a couple of rounds before
the headbut ended that fight. Batista was

631
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:49,599
a very tough customer. When I
saw the over under at three and a

632
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,039
half on our bet Us show,
I was like, the way that he's

633
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:53,760
getting out of there in the first
couple of rounds. You know, he's

634
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,920
looked really inconsistent. I think chuckol
Tito Gonzalez took his soul that night when

635
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,760
he moved up and Wait, he's
not been the same since that in my

636
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,480
opinion, and uh, you know, to me honestly, and I like

637
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,559
Martinez. He's a fun fighter to
watch and there's always some some kind of

638
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:12,920
interesting drama associated with his fight when
he gets to the ring. But you

639
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,559
know he's gonna lose at any point. I mean, he's not long for

640
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:17,239
it being champion. It's it's not
going to take much in my mind to

641
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,920
get a good guy in there to
take care of him fair enough. And

642
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,440
it was impact as you were watching
that, did you think that Batista was

643
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:29,320
right in there to maybe get a
decision? How close did you have that?

644
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,239
I don't know if you were efficiently
scoring it, but I thought it

645
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,119
was a close fight. I mean
I did, I was scoring it.

646
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:35,679
I didn't. I don't remember what
my score was. I don't have it

647
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,800
in front of but my recollection is
that I had Martinez but only ahead by

648
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,880
like a couple of rounds. Like
it was a competitive fight for sure,

649
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,800
and uh, Batista definitely had his
moments. He landed a lot of clean

650
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,719
shots. Mean, Martinez showed pretty
good chin. He got knocked into the

651
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,719
ropes a couple of times. Uh, you know, Martinez was the better

652
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,400
man obviously, but it's not it's
he's not long for it. It's not

653
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,840
going to be long. I don't
think till he's he's out of there.

654
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,039
Like I'll tell you one thing,
if he gets the unification fight against Sonny

655
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,719
Edwards, I'm gonna tell you right
now, Sony Edward's gonna toy with him,

656
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,840
gonna play with him. He'll play
him like a fiddle. That's gonna

657
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,159
be like a you know, a
boxing masterclass of Sonny box is how he's

658
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:12,320
capable of doing, and Martinez just
kind of wads in there, you know,

659
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,639
recklessly, without a particular game plan
and just tries to wing while punch

660
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:19,840
of Sonny is a much much advanced
defensive fighter who's not going to get hit

661
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,760
with that nonsense. That's a really
I mean, they may make that fight.

662
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,159
I mean from an action point of
view, it certainly the Bam Arrigus

663
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:30,440
fight would probably make a better for
for the fans. That may be a

664
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,280
little ways off just given the nature
of the injury that Bam is overcoming,

665
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,079
but hopefully those unifications will happen because
they need to put him in that kind

666
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:39,119
of fight soon because he's not gonna
keep making it through these Batista type fights

667
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:43,559
without losing the title at some point. But again, it was a good

668
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:45,480
It was a good fight, Like
you said, I mean listen as an

669
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:46,719
overall pay per view, I know
a lot of people ripped it. You

670
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,559
know, it shouldn't have been on
pay per view. I'm not arguing that

671
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:52,119
point. It was. It was
a pay per view because Canello. It

672
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:54,280
was maybe considered a one sided mismatch
in terms of on paper, fair enough,

673
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,119
But if you paid the money and
you spent the time, and you

674
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:00,719
watched the show, the five dou
said encompassed the pay per view broadcast.

675
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,480
It was an entertaining event because Canello
and Ryder, despite the fact that it

676
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:07,719
was pretty one sided, that was
an entertaining fight for Damn Shore. The

677
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,480
fight between Martinez and Batissa was a
very entertaining fight for Damn Shore. The

678
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:15,920
fight before that, which which was
the junior welter at Gabriel Golas, the

679
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:22,079
hometown Fighter getting a generous, if
you will, split decision against Steve Spark.

680
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,559
I thought Spark won that fight,
but that was a very entertaining fight.

681
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,840
And even if you go beyond that, the uh the fight with the

682
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:36,000
prospect Rod it's his name, Nathan
Rodriguez, who eked out a majority decision

683
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:39,039
over the veteran Alexander Mehia. That
kid got a little bit of a lesson

684
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:42,840
and he barely edged out. But
that was a solid fight. The only

685
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,440
stinker on the car, frankly was
the opening fight between the former light heavyweight

686
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:51,599
champion Alexander Vodzick was making a comeback
against Rickhard's blot Nicks, which was like

687
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:53,840
watching U you know, watching the
death for the first five rounds or so,

688
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,000
and then finally Vozick found a big
shot and knocked Ricard blot Nicks out

689
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,760
with basically one shot, so at
least it had an exciting ending. But

690
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,039
that was the one bad fight,
and actually, in my mind on paper,

691
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:06,960
was actually not a bad fight at
all. But that was a good

692
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:08,679
knockout. Like I said, the
rest of the fights on the undercard were

693
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,519
entertaining, uh and of course culminating
with the main event, which was one

694
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:17,239
sided but entertaining. But you know, the Martinez fight was competitive, that

695
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,760
Rodriguez Mahia fight was competitive, and
certainly the Spark and Goal last fight,

696
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,440
even though I thought Spark clearly was
the winner, was competitive and Spark did

697
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,519
get knocked out, so you know, I felt like I got my money's

698
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:30,199
worth. I'm not complaining. And
you know what, unlike the Garcia of

699
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,559
nonsense against Tank Davis, I didn't
hear anybody having problems with their de Zone

700
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:38,320
app. I didn't see any feedback
on Twitter. You know, everything worked

701
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,280
fine for me, So I was
happy about that. Yeah, far less

702
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:45,880
demand, probably at least in the
in the immediacy of trying to order it

703
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,840
the night of an hour before,
thirty minutes before, and there's a replay

704
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,000
thankfully Bombard. Yeah, and there's
a replay there too, and bombarding with

705
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:57,800
it on that Okay, So a
couple of fight news items off of that

706
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,920
pay per view, and then I
promise we're going to get to the Givan

707
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,760
Davis sentencing that we're gonna talk about
here, where he did not end up

708
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:08,000
getting jail time on Friday afternoon,
which is interesting, and got house arrest

709
00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:12,800
instead. So two fight announcements from
match Room, they make it official what

710
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,000
had been out there, that Regis
program has signed with them the WBC one

711
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:21,159
hundred forty pound champ and they have
a fight immediately lined up for him.

712
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:22,920
Give us the details real quick on
that please. Yeah. So he'd been

713
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,800
talking to them even also hearing offers
from other promoters out of top rank Head

714
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,639
talked to him about doing something.
Potentially he decided to take up the offer

715
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:34,559
from Eddie Hearn. So his first
fight is going And I reported this that

716
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:36,840
if he signed with match Roam,
this was going to be the fight,

717
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:37,760
and this is going to be the
opponent, this is going to be the

718
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,519
location. I went three for three
on what I wrote. He will in

719
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:44,679
fact fight at home in New Orleans. No fight will take place on June

720
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:47,599
seventeenth at what is called the Smoothie
King Center. In the rings, he

721
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:52,639
will fight the Australian fighter who was
also with match Room Boxing named Liam Paro,

722
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:55,079
who was undefeated, who's had one
fight with match Room previously. He

723
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:59,920
scored a first round knockout against a
undefeated Australian named Rock Jarvis on one of

724
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,280
maybe the first or one of the
first fights that Matchum ever did in Australia.

725
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:07,280
Is it the biggest matchup ever?
No, and Regis is doing what

726
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,000
lots of guys who win titles have
done, which is you know what,

727
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,079
I'm not saying it's a soft touch, but you're not exactly exerting yourself by

728
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:16,440
facing you know, the number one
guy in your weight class. So this

729
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:23,119
is sort of like a a softer
touch. Let's say a homecoming back in

730
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:27,480
New Orleans. Get to win.
It's a three I reported in my piece

731
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,400
that he signed a fight deal with
Matchroom Boxing. I'll give myself a little

732
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,360
plug. Go on my on my
Substack newsletter, Dan Rayfield dot substack dot

733
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,360
com. You can read what the
purses are for those three fights, as

734
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:43,800
I reported, and the idea is
to win that fight and to see what

735
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,400
else he can get that's bigger.
Now here's the problem. Problem in quote

736
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:52,079
Marks Regis said on the has said
numerous times, said it again in the

737
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:55,039
interview he did when they announced this
signing on the broadcast between the Canelo and

738
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:58,800
writer. I want all the big
fights. I want to do this,

739
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,519
I want to do that. I'm
happy to be with Matrium. I'm excited

740
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:02,400
to get started. I can't wait
to go home. And I want to

741
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,719
fight Ryan Garcia, and I want
to find Tank Davis, and I want

742
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,320
to fight a rematch with Josh Taylor, and I want to I want to

743
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,840
fight Roly Romero and I want to
fight Sabrial Mattias, and that's good.

744
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,760
I'd like to hear that from guys
they want to you know, he wants

745
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,840
the names. I mean, fine. The problem is, and this is

746
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,719
not a negative to match Room because
they do a hell of a job promoting

747
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,440
a lot of their events. You
just signed with match Room. You're taking

748
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,519
a soft or touch in Liam Carrow
and all the all the guys you would

749
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:34,239
said you want to fight are highly
unlikely to happen. Because Josh Taylor is

750
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,239
on ESPN with top Rank. He's
got to play with TV. Molobis coming

751
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:42,639
up next month. Role Romero is
on PBC fighting on Showtime. Sabrial Mattias

752
00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:46,199
has been fighting on Showtime and is
with PBC now as an aside. My

753
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:51,519
sources tell me that Sirbrial Mattias is
free agent and is shopping around and may

754
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:53,119
end up winding up at match Room, which would make that pighte possible.

755
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:57,880
Javanta Davis is with Showtime and fighting
on pay per view, highly unlikely that

756
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,679
would happen. Ryan Garcia is with
a from promoter and Golden Boy. At

757
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,679
least they're on the same platform in
the zone. But I'm pretty sure that

758
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,760
Ryan Garcia when he comes back,
is not necessarily going to be going after

759
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,519
Regions program in his first fight coming
off the knockout loss against Tank Davis.

760
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,559
Point is he named all these guys, these top guys you want to fight,

761
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,840
and basically none of them are possible, at least in the short term.

762
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,159
So you know, if you are
about what about and you wrote this

763
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:27,760
and you talked to Oshaky Froster,
right O'shaki Foster says that he's a free

764
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,440
agent and he has one version of
the belt. Couldn't that be turns that

765
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:36,440
wrong? First of all, Oshaki's
at one thirty. And not only that,

766
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:38,519
but I redis in Oshaki. This
I don't think you know this.

767
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,000
Regis in Oshaki are very close friends, they have the same trainer. They

768
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:45,159
ain't fight each other. That would
never happen anyway. Okay, who is

769
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:49,559
the well, then who was the
other champion in the mix besides Taylor and

770
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:53,599
besides uh Rolie is fighting we think
for the WBA title coming up. But

771
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:58,880
if the other one is the IBF
champion is Surbrial Mattias Matias. Okay,

772
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:05,000
so if you want a unification,
good luck by not but you know he

773
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:08,360
had talked the top rank they could
have worked it out. Uh. Top

774
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:15,079
Rank has Taylor tia Fimo, Jose
Ramirez, who was a former unified out

775
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:17,000
older who should have The two of
them should have fought ages ago. They've

776
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,360
both, in my opinion, sort
of avoided each other in one sense because

777
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,000
he signed with match Room and Ramirez
we already went through how he didn't take

778
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,159
the fight back, uh you know
at the end of last year, etc.

779
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,519
Or in the when they are ordered
the purse bid for earlier this year.

780
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:35,599
Uh you know. They also have
Arnold Barbos who was an undefeated contender,

781
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:38,039
uh that type of thing. And
so the fighters that match Room has

782
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:42,400
not the guys who were the big
names that Regis was mentioning. They have

783
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,719
Paro obviously that's uh, you know
one of the guys. They just signed,

784
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,679
Jack Catterall, who's the top contender
that would obviously be uh a kind

785
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:52,840
of fight. They have a very
good talented kid, an olympian who's undefeated

786
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,320
with a big mouth, who still
needs to maybe fight another bigger name to

787
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,400
get some notoriety in Richards and Hitchens, who's a great talent. They have

788
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,719
Montana Love, who obviously has the
loss of Steve Spark by disqualification. You

789
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,440
know they have I guess they have
Golas who had the gift of victory on

790
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,760
the Canelo undercard the other night.
But those are the types of names you're

791
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,239
probably gonna hear about for Regis in
the next couple of fights. But he's

792
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,199
an exciting fighter. He ultimately wants
Josh Taylor again, but that has not

793
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,440
happened now for over three years,
and don't know that it is going to

794
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,800
happen anytime soon. It is interesting. Just one more note, Teya.

795
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,679
Femoe Lopez is on the record,
for what it's worth, is saying,

796
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,639
this is my last fight with top
rank and ESPN. I'm a free agent

797
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,760
and I will go somewhere else.
I'm paraphrasing what he was saying. Who

798
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,719
No, I'll just say this.
I don't I don't know the exact status

799
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,360
of his contract, but I will
tell you this from my experience, boxers

800
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,639
often are the ones who know the
least about their own contracts. Wait a

801
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:50,519
minute, I'm not free. I
still tell you right now, I can

802
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:53,440
guarantee you this. If FEMO should
happen to win the World Championship against Josh

803
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:59,199
Taylor and that contract most definitely extends. And let's finish up on the news

804
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,639
from that show. This is the
Cuban gold medalist that they announced that they

805
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:07,360
have signed and he will obviously be
making his debut, his professional debut.

806
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:13,960
Shortly tell us more naturroom boxing besides
landing the contract of regious program that they

807
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,280
announced on Saturday, and this is
an assigning they've been working on. I

808
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,119
guess for a while. One of
the great amateurs in the world, and

809
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:22,719
his name is Andy Cruiz. He's
from Cuba. He is twenty seven years

810
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:28,480
old. He was the twenty twenty
Tokyo Olympic gold medalist in the lightweight division.

811
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,199
He is a three time world amateur
champion. When you win an Olympic

812
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:36,519
gold medal and you win three world
amateur championships, and that's like Usk level

813
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:43,000
Lomachenko level, that type of caliber
of an amateur fighter, I guess he

814
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:46,000
defected. He's also won Pan American
championships, I mean basically all the top

815
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:52,480
amateur tournaments out there he has won
and won multiple times except for the Olympic

816
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:55,639
Games. And of those who are
familiar who watched the two and twenty which

817
00:48:55,639 --> 00:49:00,199
were delayed into two and twenty one
due to the pandemic. In the gold

818
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,800
medal final of the Tokyo Games,
he defeated Keshan Davis, the American top

819
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,239
prospect with top rank who won the
silver medal in that in that loss,

820
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,039
so this is a big signing for
him. He's going to turn pro in

821
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:14,760
a ten rounder. Again, that's
Lomachenko level stuff. He's not messed round

822
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,400
with four rounders and six rounders and
eight rounders. He's going right to the

823
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,400
ten rounder. That means they're gonna
move to this guy very very fast.

824
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,679
Uh. You know Eddie Hearn has
you know, he loves to do.

825
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:27,000
We're talking about how big of a
deal this is, but kind of agree

826
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,119
with him. He's one of the
top amateurs of recent times in all of

827
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:34,880
boxing, and now he's coming to
the United States to fight and it should

828
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,519
be interesting. Now, I'm not
sure what kind of professional style he is

829
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:42,719
going to employ. Traditionally, a
lot of the Cubans who have turned pro

830
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,800
have not necessar They've been very talented, but not necessarily provided entertainment value.

831
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,639
There are exceptions, Joel Castmayer,
King Conortz, you know a few other

832
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:55,400
guys morel recently David Morrell absolutely.
So my question is I know the talent

833
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,239
that Andy Cruz has because I have
seen him fight as an amateur many times.

834
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,119
As professional, I wonder is he
gonna be more Rigando or more and

835
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:07,159
Morale. That's what I'm waiting to
see. And Ugas, by the way,

836
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:10,079
is another guy that's been exciting and
been a world champion, beat Manny

837
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:15,840
Pakia as well. So all right, we'll see what happens with him turning

838
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,760
pro. And that's interesting as you're
reporting that he's going to fight in a

839
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,559
ten round fight right out of the
box on that. Okay, So since

840
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:27,559
we left the airwaves on the paper
on the preview, Dan Raphael back on

841
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:32,119
Friday, the sentencing we actually we
recorded on Thursday evening, released the podcast

842
00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:37,800
on Friday. We even had our
bet Us Boxing show. Since all of

843
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:43,920
that happened. Jervonte Davis sentenced in
a Baltimore County courtroom on Friday for the

844
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,599
twenty twenty hit and run charges and
his plea agreement from back in February.

845
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,119
As we had talked about on a
couple of different occasions, the belief was

846
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:55,960
that he was going to be sentenced
to jail time all right, So things

847
00:50:57,039 --> 00:51:00,800
unfolded Friday, and he was in
fact sent as it turns out, from

848
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:07,119
the judge, the Baltimore Circuit Judge
Alphea Handy, to twenty six months.

849
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:12,280
She sentenced him to twenty six months. But then she did something interesting,

850
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,760
and judges have latitude to do this. She spared him anytime in actual jail

851
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:21,840
and instead put conditions on keeping him
out of jail. That is ninety days

852
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,840
of home confinement or house arrest,
depending on your terminology, for whatever jurisdiction

853
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:31,480
you like, plus two hundred hours
of community service that's not insignificant, and

854
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:37,559
three years probation for any other trouble. That was the sentence of Okay,

855
00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:40,119
So just on the first BLUs reaction, then we'll get into this a little

856
00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:45,119
bit more. Were you as surprised
as I was? And I was reporting

857
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:49,000
this Friday? He didn't get locked
up immediately in the Baltimore County jail like

858
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,119
we all thought he was going to
at least get ninety days six months or

859
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:55,960
more. He only got home confinement
and he walked out of the Baltimore court,

860
00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:00,280
right, I mean Friday, your
thoughts. I'm no lawyer, obviously

861
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:06,400
I didn't I don't play one on
TV. But last I checked, if

862
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,719
you get convicted of a felony of
that type. This is we're not talking

863
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,960
about like a white collar type of
you know, a business transaction or something

864
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,400
like that. But a lot of
those folks go to jail. Also,

865
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,440
even if it's a country club.
So to get convicted on a felony where

866
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,559
it's a hit and run situation plus
three other counts, I believe that we're

867
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:29,239
misdemeanors. And and even if she
sentence she's a twenty six months, that

868
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,920
doesn't mean anything because sentence into one
hundred years. If you're gonna only do

869
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:35,559
ninety days at home, what's the
big deal? Like that's like, you

870
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:37,079
know, you tell your kids,
hey, you're grounded for a week no

871
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:40,719
TV, but it's suspended after two
days. They can watch thee And I

872
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:45,159
know I know what you mean in
theme by that and by theory by that.

873
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,039
But here's one nuance. And again
I know enough legal leads to be

874
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:51,599
dangerous being around lawyers. My weather
still thinks this day I should have been

875
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:53,960
a lawyer, by the way,
all right, So one interesting thing is

876
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:59,840
because that was the sentence and she's
put these terms in what can happen if

877
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:05,679
you violate probation, If you violate
this stuff, is we reinstitute This was

878
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,599
the sentence twenty six months in the
Baltimore County jail. Now to him,

879
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:12,239
though, that's right, and that's
up to him now. And I'm not

880
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,519
saying that he would ever do jail
time. I'm just saying, if you

881
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:20,920
screw up on probation, if you
don't go and fulfill the community service,

882
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,280
if you violate the house arrest,
this is what's staring at you. It's

883
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:29,599
a twenty six month sentence. But
what she did was she suspended it in

884
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:35,239
lieu of if you do these other
things here, so these yeah, go

885
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,760
ahead. I was surprised. I
mean, I listen, I wasn't rooting

886
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,159
for him to go to jail already, right, but it would just surprise

887
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:45,079
me that a conviction on a felony
in this type of case, particularly when

888
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:49,800
you've had past legal issues like Javante, asked that there was no jail time,

889
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,719
particularly when a previous judge in the
case had declined at offer of sixty

890
00:53:53,800 --> 00:54:00,960
days home confinement and was agreed between
the prosecution and the Davis team and the

891
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:04,039
judge in the case at the time
said no can do. It's not strong

892
00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:06,800
enough because there's no jail. So
when they went back into court for the

893
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,719
sentencing, I figured he's gonna get
something. Whatever was three months, six

894
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,480
months, nine months. I mean, it wasn't gonna be like life and

895
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:14,960
sentence, right know, like that. But so I was surprised. I

896
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,079
mean, we've seen, you know, didn't like Martha Stewart go to jail

897
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:22,239
for like that's a lot less serious
than you know, running down you know,

898
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,440
an injuring four people with injuries,
right right, Okay, So from

899
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,840
the reporting, this is interesting.
There were no cameras allowing the courtroom.

900
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,920
There were no recordings allowed, so
we couldn't hear. Here's what we know.

901
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:36,800
Javonte Davis never spoke at the hearing. The only thing that happened was

902
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,360
his attorney spoke on his behalf.
He didn't speak after this was over with

903
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:45,119
on Friday. It's interesting that the
district attorney, the assistant district attorney in

904
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:51,239
the courtroom basically said to the judge
in the hearing that we're gonna honor I

905
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,199
haven't. He said, I have
an ethical obligation And again I'm gonna credit

906
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:58,760
the reporter here from the Baltimore banner. Dylan Siegel bomb is his name.

907
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,239
Dylan, you did a great jail
job. If you hear this at some

908
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:05,039
point of recounting what was said in
the courtroom, because this is the only

909
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:09,639
record that we have of it.
So the prosecutor stood up and said,

910
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:15,880
we're going to recommend the previous deal
that we gave. I have an ethical

911
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:20,079
obligation, is what he said to
the judge. Assistant attorney David Owens said,

912
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:23,159
I have an ethically I'm ethically bound
to stand behind the original offer that

913
00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:28,480
we gave mister Davis. So that
was sixty days of home confinement a right.

914
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,440
So then she heard from the defense
and the defense attorney to his attorney,

915
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:36,559
Michael Tomko is his name, spoke
to the judge about how he has

916
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:38,719
been a hero in the Baltimore community, that he's trying to make his life

917
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:44,159
right. Tomko made the suggestion that
he wasn't just heartless, that he was

918
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:47,000
willing to help the passenger in his
vehicle get medical attention. Now he didn't

919
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:52,360
mention the passengers in the other vehicle. He then said to the judge,

920
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,880
Judge, he's a bad driver,
and maybe he's a knucklehead. Again.

921
00:55:54,880 --> 00:56:01,119
This is Dylan Siegelbaum transcribing what was
said by the defense attorney four Tank Davis.

922
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:04,960
He's saying that to the judge.
The judge then pointed out, mister

923
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:08,559
Davis, you've not had a valid
driver's license in Maryland since twenty eighteen,

924
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:14,079
and you were repeatedly driving in Baltimore, including getting in this hitting hit and

925
00:56:14,199 --> 00:56:17,039
run. You know what were you
thinking. She said that to him,

926
00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:21,679
and he didn't have to really answer. It was almost rhetorical. Then there

927
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,679
was a point in time where she
said, Okay, I'm going to sendence

928
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:28,320
you to ninety days of home confinement. And she said that will not be

929
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,880
done at your home in Miami.
That will be done here in Baltimore,

930
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:36,119
to which tom Co the defense attorney, again from the transcription, stood up

931
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:38,079
and said, Judge, as he
allowed to go to the gym to in

932
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:42,559
other words, to work out to
box. Judge Handy said, no,

933
00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:46,320
he is not, to which Jervonte
Davis, according to the reporter, had

934
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:52,679
his head down and made a face
about that. The judge then addressed that,

935
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:57,239
addressed Jervonte Davis, and said,
sir, if you prefer, you

936
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,280
can do this in the city jail
quote unquote, and maybe they have a

937
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:05,360
gym there for you. And at
that, can I interrupt for one second?

938
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,199
Okay, Jervonte Davis has made millions
and millions of dollars. If he

939
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,039
wants to have a gym, he
can have one put into his home right

940
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:14,800
anytime. By the way, there's
so folks, no he lives. He's

941
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,760
from Baltimore. He currently lives in
South Florida. It is my understanding and

942
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,199
this reporter, I believe, also
reported this. He will do the home

943
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:24,360
confinement at the house of his trainer
at Calvin Ford, and Calvin Ford stood

944
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,800
up in front of the judge and
said, Judge, I will have him

945
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,280
in my house. I will be
in charge of making sure that he's at

946
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,960
my house over nine hours, etc. In the hearing, this is what

947
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:37,719
was going on. But there was
a moment apparently where she looked at Jervonte

948
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:42,679
Davis and said, you can do
this ninety days essentially in the city jail

949
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,840
if you don't want to go along
with this. So the bottom line is

950
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:50,000
she put these conditions on him not
going to jail. That's what the fans

951
00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:52,840
need to know. So now it's
up to him, as you mentioned two

952
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,760
hundred hours of community service is not
insignificant. Think about this. If you

953
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,880
spend a five hour day with the
kids, are doing whatever you're doing,

954
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:06,360
to have two one hundred hours,
you've got to do that forty times over

955
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,199
the allotment here. That is a
lot of community service she pulled on him

956
00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:15,960
as a condition. Well, still
think he's got to do that community service

957
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:19,719
in Baltimore County, which means he's
not going back home to South Florida to

958
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,519
do the community's service. So I
mean, honestly, two hundred hours of

959
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:27,199
community's service and three months in your
coach's house, I'll take that any day

960
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:29,360
of the week that I'm going to
go to to the county lock Cup for

961
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,480
ninety days. I mean, okay, let's let's be real about it.

962
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:35,559
And so here's the next thing is
that obviously he's going to be allowed to

963
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:39,039
travel to Miami for the conclusion of
the latest domestic violence arrest. You've been

964
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:42,239
reporting on this, we've been talking
about this on the podcast. That's at

965
00:58:42,239 --> 00:58:45,119
the end of this month, and
then we see what if anything comes of

966
00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:51,559
that. We already know in that
case that the accuser has recanted and so

967
00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:53,639
maybe those charges are going to get
completely diss that case is over. This

968
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:58,599
is simply this is a if she's
not. She already told the woman that

969
00:58:58,639 --> 00:59:00,559
made the accusation, who was the
mother of one of his daughters, has

970
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:06,280
already told that the Florida court that
you will not testify if the if the

971
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,280
victim, that the alleged victim is
not going to be willing to say,

972
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:14,719
and he's the accuser, then there's
no case from the you know, from

973
00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:16,480
the from they have to dispense this, they have to finish it. He's

974
00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:20,119
gonna show up. That's simply a
formality. That case is going away.

975
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,000
He'll do his ninety days for those
who care more about the boxing than the

976
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:27,400
than the legal ease. The bottom
line is if he starts his sentence,

977
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,519
you know around now we're here at
the beginning of May, that means he's

978
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:36,000
he's in the house confinement. Nay
June, July. Uh, he gets

979
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,159
out in July, and there'd be
no reason why he won't get a third

980
00:59:38,159 --> 00:59:42,400
fight in this year. I would
certainly suspect them unless there's some issue as

981
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,280
you mentioned, and he breaks the
rules and he finds himself some more hot

982
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,599
water. But we're gonna see Tank
Davis back in the ring, and I

983
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:50,679
suspect, by the way, they'll
find a way from the train, even

984
00:59:50,719 --> 00:59:54,840
if it's in the house to do
something. Um, he'll fight presumably at

985
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,239
the end of the yarn, you
know, October, November, December,

986
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:00,880
because you know, he he's not
gonna have to training camp in the house.

987
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,320
But he can He can run a
treadmill, he can lift weights,

988
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,519
he can do all kinds of things
that will keep him in some kind of

989
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,599
condition, certainly a lot better than
if you're living in a county jail for

990
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:12,360
ninety days and you can't really do
a whole lot. So you know,

991
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,960
I would suspect that if if he
keeps his nose to the grindstone and stays

992
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,880
out of trouble for the during the
course of that sentence, we'll see him

993
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,280
back in for a third fight this
year. And when we look back on

994
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,119
his record and you see he fought
in January, and then he fought again

995
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:29,199
with the big fight against Ryan Garcia
in April, and then comes back in

996
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,360
like say November ish and has another
fight at the end of the year.

997
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,280
For a guy that did three months, you know, under this situation,

998
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:39,159
that's still as active as it gets
for these bigger names in boxing right now

999
01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:42,599
to have three fights in the calendar
year. So you know, we'll see

1000
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:45,559
what happens with that. But uh, I just hope that Jervonti Davis learns

1001
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:47,920
a lesson like this. He's had
troubles before that. The only one that

1002
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:52,719
seems he can ruin his career at
the moment is himself. He's got so

1003
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,960
much promise to be literally, you
know, as we talked about with Canello

1004
01:00:57,079 --> 01:01:00,960
perhaps turning the back nine and Christall
on the ascent at twenty eight, ye,

1005
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,079
he's got a chance to really be, you know, in the in

1006
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:08,320
the spotlight of that as that big
time guy that you know is the is

1007
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,800
the guy that everybody gravitates towards in
and around his weight classes to be the

1008
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,400
a side of these major events and
make a huge money and huge legacy.

1009
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:20,000
And as I said, it's the
only one that can fuck that up is

1010
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:23,119
him. And at this point,
if this was not a wake up call

1011
01:01:23,159 --> 01:01:27,920
on how close he came in all
the previous instances, he's standing before a

1012
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,840
judge, it could have very easily
said, right then and right there,

1013
01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:36,000
you are sentenced to ninety days six
months, nine months, and they're taking

1014
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,880
you away right now and it did
not happen. So that's fortunate for him.

1015
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,760
That's the way it plays out,
whether you agree with it or not.

1016
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,519
And by the way, we should
just mention here too, there's gonna

1017
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:46,760
you know, there's all kinds of
stuff about when you have money, you

1018
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,440
have wealth, and we understand this. You get a better defense attorney,

1019
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,960
you get a better defense, you
get all of those kind of things.

1020
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:57,519
But these kind of sentences get knocked
back all the time to things like community

1021
01:01:57,519 --> 01:02:01,880
service, house arrest, etc.
Judge knew she was under scrutiny, high

1022
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:07,039
media attention in the Baltimore area.
She followed the law, she did the

1023
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:08,599
sentence, and now, as you
mentioned, it's up to him. So

1024
01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:13,440
there we go on Javonte Davis and
the legal stuff. One more thing before

1025
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:17,119
we're done real quick. There's another
anniversary coming Monday, and it's the beginning

1026
01:02:17,199 --> 01:02:24,440
right of the paqui Ou trilogy with
Marquez. And you were there ringside for

1027
01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:32,920
the featherweight supremacy fight that that night
on May the eighth of two thousand and

1028
01:02:34,239 --> 01:02:37,880
four. Tell me more about that
in the nosalgia. How could that you

1029
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:38,639
know? I know we say this
like a broken record, I guess,

1030
01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:44,039
but how could that be nineteen years
ago coming up on Monday when this comes

1031
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:46,000
out. But listen, nobody knew
at the time that these guys were going

1032
01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:50,079
to become all time rivals. Everybody
knew at the time that was a great

1033
01:02:50,119 --> 01:02:52,920
matchup. They were the two best
featherweights in the world at that moment in

1034
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:57,800
time. You know, pac out
had won the lineal title when he knocked

1035
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:04,119
out Marco Antonio Berrera. I'm Nanuel
Marquez held I believe he was a unified

1036
01:03:04,159 --> 01:03:07,360
champion. He I think he had
the IBF and the WBA titles. And

1037
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:12,599
they met at the MGM, and
you know, it was just an incredible

1038
01:03:12,639 --> 01:03:14,599
fight. I mean, and the
thing about it that was so wild about

1039
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:16,280
it, it reminded me a little
bit. Take for if people remember,

1040
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:23,119
remember Felix Trinidad against Fernando Vargas,
they had a junior middleweight unification fight at

1041
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:27,840
the at the end of two thousand. I covered that fight also, and

1042
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,639
that was one of the most anticipated
fights I can remember, even all these

1043
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:32,000
years later, that fight looked like
it was gonna be over in the first

1044
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:37,400
round because Felix Trinidad dropped Fernando Vargas
harshly twice and amazing. You know,

1045
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,519
you know, here we think and
we're gonna get the fight of deer in

1046
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:42,920
some kind of epic fight. And
it's like, okay, we're like,

1047
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,920
you know what, a minute and
half into the final shit, the fight's

1048
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,440
almost you know, it looks like
it's in the overt But he got he

1049
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:51,280
got off the deck, Vargus,
and he survived in like a professional,

1050
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:52,559
and he got himself back into and
they had a great battle, back and

1051
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:57,760
forth, back and forth. It
was a tremendous fight. And so when

1052
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,039
we saw this fight between pac Yo
and Markz, suddenly what we think is

1053
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:03,280
going to be a great matchup,
and all of a sudden, the whirlwind

1054
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,840
of Danny Packo puts Marquees on the
deck, not once, not twice,

1055
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:11,960
puts him down three times. Now, I didn't feel like the fight necessarily

1056
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,679
should have been stopped because of the
third knockdown, but a lot of referees,

1057
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:16,400
as a matter of course, they
you know, a guy gets shopped

1058
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,079
for the third time, I'm just
gonna call day and wave the fight off.

1059
01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:21,960
So I mean think you just you
never can't down now, Joe Cortez,

1060
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:25,800
who's you know, was for many
many years one of the best referees

1061
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,239
in boxing, now retired. He
allowed that fight to go on. It

1062
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:30,920
was the right decision because Marquees not
only got back into the fight, but

1063
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,360
on many these people's minds, he
won the fight. In the end,

1064
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,960
they called it a draw. I
personally thought Marquez won the fight despite the

1065
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,559
three knockdowns. There is controversy,
of course, because there's always controversy in

1066
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:44,280
boxing. One of the judges scored
that first round instead of ten to six,

1067
01:04:44,719 --> 01:04:46,880
because that would typically what three knockdowns
would mean, you know, ten

1068
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,480
nine plus the extra points on the
knockdowns, only scored at ten to seven

1069
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:54,239
and made the point afterwards. I
guess it was Burt Clements. I believe

1070
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,440
it was that said he didn't know
you could scored ten six, which I

1071
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,280
found to be kind of weird because
I never heard anybody say he can't score

1072
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,760
around ten sikes of their three knockdowns. In any event, that the outcome

1073
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,800
would have been different if he scored
at ten to seven. But even even

1074
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:09,519
with that, the fact that they
had the draw allowed there to be a

1075
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:13,400
rematch and they have such another great
fight later on they met a third time

1076
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,079
and then a fourth time, and
it's you know, one of the great

1077
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:16,920
there's not that many four fight series, and of course a boxing between you

1078
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,960
know, top notch Hall of Fame
level guys, but this is up there.

1079
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,880
And they put on one great fight, but two, but three,

1080
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:28,079
but four great fights, culminating frankly
with the fourth fight with the monster knockout

1081
01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:31,280
that Marquez handled pack here with.
You know, all three of the first

1082
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:36,840
fights was all about you know,
who won, controversy, This a draw

1083
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,960
could have been this way, a
split decision, a majority decision. And

1084
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:44,079
finally, the whole point of the
fourth fight was are we going to finally

1085
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:48,000
get a clear winner whatever happens,
and Marquez lefte, Yeah, we got

1086
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,400
a clear winner on that punch with
Manny face first on the mat. As

1087
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,880
you've talked about. That is uh, you know, I'm blessed. I

1088
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,760
was able to, you know,
cover all four of their fights at ringside.

1089
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,320
It started with this fight, and
I'll tell you a little story about

1090
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:04,440
that. When Marquez and Pacyo fight
was happening, I was ready to go

1091
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:09,199
out to cover the fight. I
was still working at USA today. This

1092
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,000
is in May of two thousand and
four. I didn't start at ESPN until

1093
01:06:12,039 --> 01:06:17,840
two thousand and five, and a
couple of days before I went to Las

1094
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:23,360
Vegas to cover that fight, my
grandmother passed, and so, you know,

1095
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:27,320
we all gathered in Florida for my
grandmother's funeral, and but I so

1096
01:06:27,559 --> 01:06:30,199
really badly wanted to see the fight. I sucked it up and I went

1097
01:06:30,239 --> 01:06:31,639
to the fight. I went to
the funeral, obviously, but I flew

1098
01:06:31,679 --> 01:06:34,920
home to Virginia and then you know, like the next day, I think

1099
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:39,199
I went to Vegas, and I
was actually supposed to stay in Vegas for

1100
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:44,039
about ten days because the following Saturday, after Pacyo fought Marquees for the first

1101
01:06:44,039 --> 01:06:46,320
time, was the first fight between
Roy Joe. I can't remember for the

1102
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,079
first fight or the second. I
guess it was the first fight. Maybe

1103
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:51,159
it was second fight. I can't
remember, but the bottom line was it

1104
01:06:51,199 --> 01:06:55,559
was supposed to be one of the
first two matches between Roy Jones and Antonio

1105
01:06:55,639 --> 01:06:58,679
Tarver. I got out there and
I covered the fight. It was a

1106
01:06:58,679 --> 01:07:00,840
great fight between Marquees and Asques.
But there was so much shit going on

1107
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,239
at home, and I just was
so depressed about my grandmother's death and everything

1108
01:07:04,639 --> 01:07:08,880
that I was like, I fucking
I can't stay, and I talked to

1109
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,679
the office and I was like,
I came home and I didn't stay for

1110
01:07:11,719 --> 01:07:14,760
the Joe's Harvor fight. But that's
how much I wanted to see the Marquess

1111
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,840
Pacio fight that even at this moment
of a lot of turmoil in my family,

1112
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,199
I went. I covered the fight
and decided I couldn't stay and I

1113
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:26,480
came home to handle things at home. But to Pacio Marques fight, I

1114
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:30,239
you know, in retrospect, I'm
glad that I made the decision to go

1115
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:31,719
there to cover that fight because it
was one of the great fights that we've

1116
01:07:31,719 --> 01:07:35,679
seen historical matchup between two all time
greats. Kind a chance to cover all

1117
01:07:35,719 --> 01:07:39,639
four of their fights and many others
of their fights. It was a tremendous,

1118
01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:43,079
tremendous battle. Maybe not on the
level of the Corralis Castillo fight that

1119
01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:46,920
we talked about last week in terms
of anniversaries, but certainly of that of

1120
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,920
that timeframe, of the early two
thousands, of that decade, two thousand

1121
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:54,079
and two and ten. One of
the very best fights that you'll ever see,

1122
01:07:54,239 --> 01:07:57,880
and what heart of Marquess to stay
in there after getting dropped three times

1123
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,719
and come back and fight them on
even terms and again I thought he won

1124
01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:04,239
the fight in the end, and
wow, but I actually thought that Marquez

1125
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:09,519
got the better of most of those
fights in the end. But Paco got

1126
01:08:09,519 --> 01:08:11,519
the benefit in a couple of those
fights, and they got the draw in

1127
01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:14,119
this fight, and then obviously got
face first knocked out in the fourth fight.

1128
01:08:14,159 --> 01:08:17,159
And you know, there's a lot
of great stories from those two fighters

1129
01:08:17,159 --> 01:08:19,960
that they gave us in that four
fight series, and that started it great

1130
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,800
nostalgia from you. By the way, it was Tarvar's second round knockout,

1131
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:28,479
the thunderous punch. That anniversary is
the following week. It's next weekend.

1132
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,159
So that's the one that I that
I ended up. I was supposed to

1133
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:34,159
go and credit, which is which
is still one of the all time classic

1134
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:39,520
get off lines during the pre fight
instructions. You got any excuses, tonight,

1135
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,600
Roy, we might have to find
the magic Man. The magic Man

1136
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,000
is still in my area here in
West central Florida in Tampa to talk to

1137
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:46,880
us about that about that night.
I still remember interviewing him on the radio

1138
01:08:47,079 --> 01:08:50,319
local radio in and around that time. Got any excuses, tonight, Roy,

1139
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:54,039
and then he backed it up with
a big, booming punch, and

1140
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:58,079
Marquez backed it up once and for
all against Manny Pacquiao on the nostalgia.

1141
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:01,279
Love that again. Great stuff here
from the Canelo discussion and what happens with

1142
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:04,960
him next, also the rest of
the fight news that we went over.

1143
01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:10,159
We encourage you read Dan Substack at
Fight Freaks Unite. He his substack.

1144
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,439
Also follow or subscribe this to this
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1145
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,039
a preview heading into the weekend,
and then the recap off the weekend.

1146
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:21,800
As always, I love the insight
and the analysis. Later this week we

1147
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:27,880
will be talking about a couple of
different shows, including Rolely Romero in Action.

1148
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,039
This was supposed to be right to
fight with Puyo, but Puyo is

1149
01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:35,199
off of that fight card on showtime. Have I figured out yet, just

1150
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:39,560
real quick, whether that is going
to be for the WBA title or that's

1151
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:44,239
still trying to It's going to be
interesting now. I've been in communication,

1152
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:47,159
not not this weekend, because Gilberto
Mendoza, who was the president of the

1153
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:51,239
w BA, was actually in Guadalajara
at the Canelofight. We did exchange like

1154
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:54,520
a couple of texts, but he
was very you know, doing his thing

1155
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,720
with the fight that they were dealing
with there. But at the time I

1156
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,039
last spoke with him about it,
they were still way on some things from

1157
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:03,560
the Puyo camp and everything before they
could actually figure out for sure how they're

1158
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:08,600
going to handle the Romero fight against
Barroso. It will either be for the

1159
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:12,560
vacant interim WBA title while they figure
out what's going on with Puyo, or

1160
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,520
they could put Puyo potentially like and
make him a champion in recess and make

1161
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,760
it for the full title. It's
some ways, shape or form, there

1162
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,880
will be a belt in the ring
on that night. It's just a matter

1163
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,760
of which belt it is, you
know. I guess they got to figure

1164
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,479
out all the particular So, like
in my schedule right now, just listen

1165
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:31,279
it as a twelve round junior welterweight
fight because it has not been clarified one

1166
01:10:31,319 --> 01:10:34,720
way or the other which belt it's
for, but regardless, it's you know,

1167
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:39,159
that's the main event. And Barroso
has been in some good fights and

1168
01:10:39,399 --> 01:10:42,079
we all know about rolling Romero's seen
him back for the first time since he

1169
01:10:42,119 --> 01:10:46,119
got knocked out by by Javonte Davis. So that's that's the showtime main event.

1170
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:48,560
It's not like the biggest fight in
the world, but anytime Rolly's in

1171
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,920
the ring, it's fun because he's
gonna talk a lot of shit and ESPN.

1172
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:56,039
By the way, He's got Jana
Beg defending his WBO title Saturday night

1173
01:10:56,079 --> 01:11:00,680
stocked in California. Jason Maloney fights
for the vacant WBO Bannumway title also in

1174
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,680
the co feature, So we got
plenty to talk about later this week in

1175
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:06,600
the preview mode, etc. My
friend, thank you great insight and analysis.

1176
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,079
Have a good week, Dan,
Rayphel, We appreciate it. Same

1177
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:13,199
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1178
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