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D tours on the road sometimes can be

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quite simple. It takes you off
of one road and onto another road.

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Arrows are everywhere you look, pointing
you in the new direction, the direction

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that you must go through now to
get to where you're going. Interestingly enough,

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a dtour doesn't really know where you're
going. They assume they know where

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you're going based on the road that
where they caught you that they're detouring you

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from. So ultimately their goal is
to get you back on that roll road

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eventually going in that direction in a
way that isn't a great inconvenience. And

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there are detours in scripture as well, and there will be detours in your

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spiritual life. And oftentimes this concept
of a detour puts one into a state

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of chaos because it's like, Okay, I had planned for this, I

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was going down this path, This
was my goal to get to this area,

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to do it this way in this
amount of time, which is all

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good, and the best way to
start really is to have that plan,

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to have that path. But as
a believer, as someone of faith,

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you always have to be in that
state of whatever you want God thy will

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be done God and be ready for
whatever lesson. This ties into tests,

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but it gets you in that mindset
that if God wants to teach you something

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that it can come out from everywhere. Now, this concept of a detour

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or when you get off that main
road going that main direction that you had

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anticipated and prepped for, it can
take a lot of time because now you're

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processing new information. And let's face
it, sometimes when you make a plan

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to do something, you kind of
go into autopilot and now you have to

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really be in the moment, be
present. It consumes more of who you

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are, and that can be frustrating, not just the amount of time it's

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taken, not just that it's going
to be more difficult, but also just

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the energy wise. It just takes
your energy that is frustrating onto itself,

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but in your life as a person
of faith, as somebody who focuses on

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their spirituality, you have to allow
for God to do this. Christians would

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not be where you are today if
you didn't allow God to take you on

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detours. There are detours throughout the
entirety of Scripture, including probably the most

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well known one forty years in the
desert. So this detour happens to the

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children of Israel when they're in the
wilderness, and for many different reasons,

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lack of faith, not trusting that
God had the power to conquer. But

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there were those there that accepted the
detour by God and found that it wasn't

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about leaving this perfect road that they
had perceived was the best way, but

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about trusting God would find and always
put them on the perfect road. And

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what seems like a curse or a
frustration becomes a blessing. Think about what

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Moses learned. Moses would press back
a lot. If you remember when you

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read the exchanges between Moses and the
Father, Moses had a lot of excuses

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at times, No, I'm not
a good speaker, Maybe you should use

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someone else, back and forth.
But this detour built something, and Moses

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too, didn't it. This detour
strengthened Moses, says in Exodus three one.

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Now Moses was shepherding the flock of
his father in law, Jethro,

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the priest of Midian, and he
led the flock to the far side of

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the desert and came to the mountain
of God. The Angel of the Lord

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appeared to him in a flame of
fire. Now Moses This goes on to

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talk about the flaming bush and the
contact that he had, and it says

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that Moses thought, I will turn
aside to see this amazing sight. Why

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does the bush not burn up?
When the Lord saw that he had turned

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aside to look, God called to
him from within the bush and said Moses,

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Moses, to which Moses replied,
here I am God said, do

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not approach any closer. Take your
sandals off your feet, for the place

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where you are standing is holy ground. The exchange going on here is a

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is a point of change for Moses. This is something that he wouldn't have

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experienced should he been in a state
of rebellion against the change of path or

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the change of direction, or any
change at all. And your life is

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similar. There are things that you
have set in your head that you think,

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ah, this is the path I'm
going to go on, this is

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what I'm going to do. But
in life there are detours, and in

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your spiritual life there are detours as
well, and you should welcome them.

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And sometimes they are masked in frustration
and ugliness, or something comes along and

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you think, this is not what
I want to do, or this is

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not the path that I want to
go down, but God is always there

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on the other side of it,
saying no, honey, I wanted you

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to learn something. I wanted you
to experience something, and this is the

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way to do it. You see, God never gets lost. These detours

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are for you reminders of what's important, reminders that you will get there with

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persistence. You will get there with
dedication. It may not come in the

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time that you thought, it may
not come the way you thought, but

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with that dedication, with that perseverance, it will come. And as you

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plan your paths in life and the
paths that you want spiritually, emotionally,

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with relationships, work, whatever they
may be, that as you plan them,

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know that somewhere inside that plan,
somewhere deeply rooted inside that plan,

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is a Plan B or more importantly, what my producer likes to refer to

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as a Plan G. And that's
God's plan. Whether that detour might pop

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up and show you a different direction, a different understanding, a different path,

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all ordained by God to teach you
something else, to teach you something

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with more depth than you would have
learned the other way. And it's up

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to you to be attentive, to
be faithfully flexible, and willing to be

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taken on a ride. Eric.
Welcome to Jesus Christian. Good morning,

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Jesus, thank you, my call, my pleasure. What's going on?

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Could you bear with me? I
have a condition. We have to spit

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sometime. Okay, okay, as
long as it doesn't involve chew okay.

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I'm calling about the scripture Hebrews six
four through six last week speaking about those

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who have been enlightened in the pass
of the heaving gifts of God. My

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original question was, if a person's
in that situation, what can they do

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well? The condition is you have
to be aware of it. If you're

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aware of it, you're not really
in that condition. It's like saying the

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old saying that only people think they're
sane. Same people question their sanity all

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the time. So in that particular
case, when you're reading, and just

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as a way of reminding people,
it says, for in the case of

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those who have once been enlightened and
have tasted of the heavenly gift, and

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have been made partakers of the Holy
Spirit, and have tasted the good word

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of God and the powers of the
age to come, and then have fallen

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away, it is impossible to be
renewed to renew them again to repentance,

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since they again crucified to themselves the
son of God and put him to open

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shame. The question of that always
comes up, well, does this mean

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that people once saved always saved?
That people can fall away from salvation?

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We said, would the last caller
last week? No? And that the

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word tastes there is important because it's
only talking about bringing it to your lips,

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but not really consuming it. If
you look a little earlier in chapter

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five, verse nine, it says, and having been made perfect, he

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became to all those who obey him
the source of eternal salvation. So if

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you put these two together and you
think about them, like, can you

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fill the glass of somebody who already
thinks their glass is full? No,

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they won't ever accept anymore. They'll
say, no, it's already full.

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That's what it's talking about. There
is that hubris, that that pride that

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thinks that they've already consumed it all
when they've only brought it to their lips.

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That you can't convince them that they
haven't consumed it. Therein lies the

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problem. So they end up rejecting
God in their ignorance. But as we

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know in scripture you're not judged on
ignorance. So this is a wilful act

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of rejecting any further understanding about God. So that's where it lies. It's

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it's like, can you change the
mind of someone, Yes? Can you

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change the mind of someone who thinks
that they're so much smarter than you that

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you can't teach them anything? No, So in this case, the fact

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that you would pick up the phone
to even ask the question, Eric,

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shows me you're not in that category, because someone in that category wouldn't even

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ask the question. They'd already think, well, I already know everything.

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I'm already in there. But the
fact that you even question, going,

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oh, I want anybody that questions
their salvation even or questions how does this

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work? Or can I lose something? Am I going to do something that

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offends God? Or so greatly that
he turns away from me? Those types

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of things are from people who care. Yeah, and that if you're in

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that place, Eric, then that
would pretty much cast you out of the

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category of somebody who is just kind
of breezing along on the surface. It's

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like somebody who comes to class,
is there always on time? Has the

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book open sits in class, gazes
over the words. All those things.

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Doesn't necessarily mean they're a good student. They're just kind of you know,

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we talked about integrity today and that
steadfastness and that consistency and how you know,

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in Hollywood, it's very easy just
to put up a facade or the

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front of something to make it look
like it's a building, because they know

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there's no real need to build the
entire building for the use that they have.

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But in life you can't get away
with that. You can't just have

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a facade. You have to be
through and through. That integrity has to

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be through and through. And what
chapter six of Hebrews, chapter six,

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verse four, five and six is
talking about is that somebody has the facade

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of Christianity. They don't. They
don't really, it's not a part of

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who they are truly, it's just
that facade and that that you know that

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they're in lives major major problems.
Rick, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Yes, thanks for being patient.
How can I help you? Right?

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Well, my question is regarding marriage
and then later in life. I

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understand supporting a marriage by having younger
people go through the ceremony in front of

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the church and in front of society
to support their bond and union before God.

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When you're in later in life and
coming from failed relationships and you meet

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someone who you connect with on a
by heart, mind, body and soul

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and commit to them for the rest
of your life, basically, why does

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society still expect you to jump through
all those hoops and do the food for

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all with the ceremony and then the
legal aspect of it when it's a commitment

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between two people that we know in
our hearts is true. Without giving too

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much specific because you don't need to
give me a bunch of personal information.

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What do you do for a living? I'm a truck driver, a truck

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driver, okay, and so do
you work for a company or do you

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work on your own independently? Work
for a company, but I'm gone from

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the house five to six days a
week. We're connected by phone. And

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okay, Well, do you did
you reach an agreement with that company when

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you came to work for them of
some kind? It was it an application

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of some kind? Or okay,
did you sign a contract of any kind?

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No? Do you think they signed
contracts with the companies that have you

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shipping things for them? Or of
course why because of the legality involved,

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and I understand the legality part to
bind persons to an agreement. Honestly,

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Rick, it's not jumping through hoops, it's not. It's a part of

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the process. It's a part of
being committed. And no matter what you

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say day, there's a part of
you that's not committed, because if it's

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not a big deal to you,
then why not just do it? Why

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not just do it and get committed
because that's what God wants. The whole

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process of doing those things are symbols. I get it. But there's a

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lot of symbolism in scripture as well. Baptism is symbols, is a symbol.

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Some people think that communion is a
symbol. There's a lot of things

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that seem like symbols, but they're
outward showing of an inward faith or goal

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or process. And part of that
is being in fullness, going through the

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process of marriage, doing it in
front of friends and family, and being

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committed. If you're hiding from that
by not doing that or saying some people

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make excuses and say, well,
gosh, you know what, it's a

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lot of money to have a wedding. I get that. You know you

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can whittle it down there and do
it very inexpensively. And if the world's

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putting pressure on you for that,
I get it saying no, I'm not

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going to bend to that. But
you can go and have a sweet simple

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service before you and God and make
that commitment and make it solidify it because

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right now, I mean, there's
people that say, oh, well,

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I'm getting older, and I know
it costs too much money to get married,

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or our taxes will change, or
we won't get the same amount of

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and all these excuses just become practical
reasons not to stand before God and man

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and make it legal. Because scripture
says you're to obey the laws of the

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land and as long as they don't
contradict scripture, and in this particular case,

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the law of the land is,
if you're going to be married,

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be married, and right now,
if you're not married, you shouldn't be

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having relations, and that would God
would frown upon that. And trust me,

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the process, the scriptural process of
marriage two thousand years ago took a

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whole heck of a lot longer than
you know, ten minute ceremony. Nowadays

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you're talking weeks, you're talking a
year or two of betrothal prior and then

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sometimes the wedding took weeks and you
had to feed everybody, including every single

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person in the town. That's why
my first miracle, the wedding at Cana

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was so was such a big deal
and not a parlor trick. Is because

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making water into wine and it was
about feeding and having enough drink for the

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entire town. Otherwise you would not
save face. I was participating in a

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wedding there. If I thought it
was just you know, hubbub and no

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big deal, why would I even
be gracing it with my presence or being

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a part of it In that sense, I understand that. Yet, on

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the legal side of it, the
law does allow for what they call common

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law, depending on where you live. You're in Vegas, yeah, depending

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on where you live there, there's
but that's just part of the legality.

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So if you've been with this person
for six years, what's common law in

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Las Vegas? Seven? So what
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Well, it's not so much of
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how other people perceive, and not
that I'm looking for their validation, but

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their comments should be concerned about God. Yeah, but you know, people

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are gonna make comments. People are
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I wouldn't worry about that. However, scripture does talk about the appearance of

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evil, and if you there's something
that does the woman you live with,

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does she have any interest in having
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context? Ah, it's yes and
no on both of our parts. Well,

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I'm not sure what the no is. I'm not what is the know

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if you're just talking about Oh,
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world wants it. No, it's
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And okay, so legal and financial
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from pretty much. Yeah, and
what are those legal or financial situations?

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Social security and you know, income
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you fixed incomes kind of thing.
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one occasion. Well, there's and
there's some people that would be more lenient

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on this. I just think that
you're cheating your guysself. And the whole

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point of being partners is not just
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a part of it in that sense, but really solidifying it by having that

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that marriage and not cheating yourself with
that experience. And the financial thing,

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I realize is can be frustrating,
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If it's just about finances, it
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then you just get a roommate.
You know, it's not about just being

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a room at I feel that deep
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it's it's just a bunch of garbage
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you know that what you're doing is
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called. And it's there's something about
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and letting people know that that I
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But this sadly is becoming more common. Rick. I'm getting more calls

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from people who say they're later in
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they don't want to get married.
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it's convenient and it's easy. It
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This is the purpose, and these
are the laws currently And if you're going

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to look through scripture and try and
find a specific type of marriage or the

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laws or anything like that, you're
not going to find it in that sense,

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not going to find You're not find
anything. This is rick. This

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is how you need to get married. But you definitely see my sealo of

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approval on the marriages and the thing
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important, and it's not just for
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of the individuals in the ceremony to
explore those and to really lock you in

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if there's humanity, and this is
I'm sorry men more on you than it

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is on women, although that those
numbers sadly are changing. Uh like to

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have at least one toe on the
dock at all times. You know that

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kind of attitude where it's like,
well I always have an out, or

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you know, she doesn't own me
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towards the relationship, I think is
more detrimental than it is helpful. Tom.

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Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Hi Jesus Hia, Tom. How

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can I help? I've had seem
like a big deal, but I was

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maybe it concerned me when I'm not
traveling for my job and listening to your

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show. I go to a small
little church and we're real laid back and

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we just wear like flip flops and
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go outside when the weather's nice.
I'm in North Florida and I was at

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a party and somebody asked them what
church got to Another guy said, oh,

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you go to that hippie church.
I'm like, well, why is

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it hippie church? Because of because
of the way we were just so laid

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back, and he alluded to the
fact like it was like almost disrespectful because

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they we don't dress up like his
church does. And I'm like, I'm

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cool with that, man, if
that's what y'all want to do. I

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mean, but my question is,
I guess, is is it disrespectful because

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we don't dress up? And I
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you the truth, I just Tom, I would be broken hearted if you

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weren't in church because you felt you
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sounds like a silly question. No, no, but I mean it's not.

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And I'm telling you right now that
they're there are many people listening that

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are glad that you called. I'll
tell you what I'm concerned about, Tom,

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I want it to be a Bible
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it a Bible teaching, Bible believing
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is just a kouterman. It's just
stuff, and it's not disrespectful as long

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as you come respectful. People were
wearing sandals in the first churches, I'll

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tell you that. So it's more
a matter of the first churches were homes.

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We met in homes. There weren't
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was on the Jewish side of things. There were in temple. They had

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formalities, but if you remember,
I mocked a lot of the formalities in

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Scripture and was upset with the fact
the formalities tended to supersede the truth that

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was being taught. So if it's
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teaching anything and it's really about getting
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afterwards, I have a problem with
it. But if it's a church that

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says, hey, come as you
are, We're all about the message and

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getting this message to you, and
we don't want you to wait till you

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have a suit. We don't want
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have time to do X, Y
and Z. You come as you are,

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then I think that's glorious. I
think it's beautiful. But that's exactly

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what it is. Yeah, we're
not hanging out for the donuts, that's

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for sure, but we're I mean, it's just like what you just said.

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And by the way, I tell
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that's very nice. I appreciate it. And keep in mind that, you

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know, we grow because you do
things like that, and when you tell

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people about it, I really really
appreciate it. But you as well,

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Tom, be at peace, because
the core of the church is scripture and

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what scripture is teaching and there are
traditions that go along with it that are

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important, very important. But I
don't ever want you to lose sight of

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the purpose of why you're there.
And there's so many churches have gotten have

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lost their focus and gotten on this
hype about the appearance. And now there's

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stages. It's not even you know, the standing behind the pulpit. Now

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it's like the stage and there's this
big show and there's a place for that.

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There's a place for that. You
want to reach as many people as

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you can and you know, modern
day you have to be able to strike

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the same chords or cord they can
understand, and they being the people in

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the church, and there has to
be different flavors. There has to be.

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But as long as it's always you
know, ice cream is a particular

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formula. It's a particular thing that
makes ice cream, and otherwise it becomes

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frozen custard. Otherwise it becomes frozen
yogurt or these types of things, or

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a gelato if you're Italian, I
do that for you, Tony sitting in

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the other room. So they there's
a specific formula that makes something ice cream,

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but the flavor of the ice cream
doesn't. It doesn't keep it from

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being ice cream. It just changes
its flavor depending on the palette of the

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individual, you know, the individuals
that are consuming it. So when it

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comes to church, I think that
they it's very easy to get wrapped up

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in what you like and make that
the standard. Well, this is what

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I like to do. I like
to dress up. Some people like to

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My producer, Neil likes likes it
split down the middle. He likes to

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dress up and the formality of certain
things. And then on the other side,

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if he if he's not available to
do that on the very very very

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rare occasion that he steps into a
church. Yeah, I'm talking to you

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that that there's that likes to be
casual as well. And there's just different

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flavors and and and things out there, and you should experience those as they

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speak to you. Some people like
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people like, uh, you know, electric guitars and keyboards and full drum

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sets and all of those things.
And that's fine as long as it doesn't

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take away from the message, as
long as it doesn't take away from what's

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being taught and what's being said,
because that's the gathering. And when a

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church becomes what am I wearing?
What are you wearing? When it becomes

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those things, that becomes idolatry,
and it stops being part of the church,

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and it starts stops being reverence and
respect for God and becomes a show

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of a class system. And this
is what I make, and this is

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how much I'm worth, and look
at the fancy clothes I'm wearing, and

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that becomes a distraction of God too. So don't you know, people are

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gonna like it, and some people
aren't. There's a church that might not

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be you know, everybody's taste.
It's a very artsy church. And in

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this particular church, there's a lot
of creativity going on. They encourage and

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people sit at tables rather than in
pews or chairs, and there's encouragement of

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drawing or writing during the service.
There's also painting that goes on that may

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not be your cup of tea.
But if there's if the Bible's being taught

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there and they're trying to find ways
for people to express themselves in that context,

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great, If it becomes a distraction
or a problem, then then it

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takes away from God. And you
don't have the right to take that spotlight

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from God. And some people don't
like the more relaxed churches. Broke my

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heart to hear Tom say, I
don't even own a suit. Could you

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imagine not experiencing God because you think
that a way cloth is tailored, cut

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and sown is going to make a
difference to God. The important thing is

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the effort and the desire to seek
God and showing the importance and the value

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of God. You can get more
suits, you can get more clothing,

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but I'll tell you the one commodity
you can't make more of his time,

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and to give God your time to
go and to show that I'm here and

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I'm showing up and I'm with you
and I love you, and I want

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to hear about your love letter called
the Bible, and I want to listen

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to the things that you taught and
the things that you said. That's that's

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the beauty of it. Don't get
caught up in the other things and lose

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sight of the importance of being in
that place and connecting with God's people and

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connecting with God. It's not a
silly question, not a silly question at

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all time. Kf I am six
on demand