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We are continuing on with our decade player 17 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:32,799 rankings, which means it's time to speak with Adam Frammel, quality editor for 18 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,359 Bleacher Report, also the founder and editor in chief of NBA Math. Follow 19 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,680 him on Twitter at Frammel zero nine. Also a good friend and colleague of 20 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,640 mine. If you didn't catch that by knowing where he works at Bleacher Report, 21 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:46,159 you really shouldn't need this intro either, because we recorded so many of 22 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,840 these episodes and he is a Hardwood Knox og one of the founding Hardwood Knox 23 00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:53,640 members as well. Before we get started with the Golden State Warriors and they're 24 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,959 ten best players of the decade. 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I'm giving him a little freedom this time away from his 44 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,400 bubbles. So I'm hoping he doesn't go rogue made a podcast, that's word 45 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:15,879 I mean, I hope he does make an appearance. We're working against the 46 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,680 puppy clock here, folks. We're working. We do. We do record 47 00:03:20,719 --> 00:03:23,240 these with video on so I like, I very much hope that he replaces 48 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,120 you on the screen, like throughout the entire episode, people will hear him 49 00:03:27,159 --> 00:03:29,400 if if that ends up being the case, he was in my lap for 50 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:31,479 the previous episode when we did the Pistons. We are, however, on 51 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,120 to the Warriors, and I feel like I'm screaming into my microphone in the 52 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:37,719 past couple episodes, and I've been editing these, I feel like the base 53 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,199 is really up there, so I need to need to be a little bit 54 00:03:39,199 --> 00:03:44,120 more cognizant of that. You're just really fired up about the Pistons, Yeah, 55 00:03:44,159 --> 00:03:49,319 I'm I just get excited talking about Michigan sports. You know this the 56 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,840 Warriors, though, Let's just get right into it. Who is Who's number 57 00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:55,479 ten and the composite ranking for the Warriors? Yeah, number ten was was 58 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,639 the tough spot. You know, each of us had a guy at ten 59 00:03:59,719 --> 00:04:01,960 who did not end up making the composite rankings. I had Marie Spates, 60 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,400 you had Brandon Rush. The fans had Harrison Barnes down at number ten, 61 00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:10,319 but they had Monte Ellis at number nine, which was enough to get him 62 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:13,159 into the tenth spot. I don't hate it, he was only there for 63 00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:15,959 like a season and a half during the decade that we're actually looking at valuable 64 00:04:15,959 --> 00:04:20,360 score. Maybe didn't make the team better, but the Warriors dynasty wouldn't have 65 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:26,600 started if they didn't move away from him, and if he wasn't the precursors. 66 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,560 So like, I kind of get it, but ultimately, like we're 67 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,600 looking at the tenth spot as a straggler behind the very obvious top nine. 68 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,920 Yeah, nothing yet, you there, though, I think I do think 69 00:04:34,959 --> 00:04:39,360 we forget how solid brand and Rush was during his time with the Warriors, 70 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,120 and he played in more games and he was there for longer than you think 71 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:45,759 during this time, and the same for Spates. But I just I didn't 72 00:04:45,759 --> 00:04:47,759 have any objective evidence for him like you're about to present. I just liked 73 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:50,399 watching him shoot long twos. Well, he had the brand. I think 74 00:04:50,439 --> 00:04:54,839 you remember Marie Spades more than you do brand and Rush during this decade. 75 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:59,000 I think that's probably so. I am surprised that Harrison Barnes was number ten 76 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,480 in the fan vote. Not see that coming, I know, yeah, 77 00:05:01,519 --> 00:05:04,560 I know that that really surprised me. And uh, you know, our 78 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,399 our our ex colleague at Bleacher Report and current friend, Jacob Borne, refused 79 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:12,360 to include him in his top ten when he submitted the ballot, And I 80 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:15,759 wonder if it was like kind of similar for a lot of people, where, 81 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:20,040 you know, maybe just him not really becoming more than a role player 82 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:25,399 in Bolden's state and not living up to that sky high potential that he had 83 00:05:25,399 --> 00:05:30,800 when he left North Carolina. Maybe like just didn't. He wasn't as as 84 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:35,560 memorable or as as positively memorable, maybe, and and that pushed him down 85 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,040 ballots. I didn't really have a good explanation. Maybe they're just traumatized from 86 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,560 the twenty and sixteen playoffs, just all the miss miss Corny's fair shot forty 87 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,480 point nine percent on two pointers, that that might be a little bit. 88 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,759 He certainly belongs in the top ten. Shame on Jacob Borne. I mean 89 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:57,000 for most things, but but this especially so number nine ends up being then 90 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,439 monte Alla. She said, correct, Number ten was monte Ella. He 91 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,519 was number nine on the fan ballot. Yeah, sorry, I should have 92 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,439 made that more clear. But number nine in the composite was Andrew Bogat. 93 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,680 He was my number nine as well. Look, there's I might be a 94 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,519 little bit lower on him just because I think what unlock the Warriors potential was 95 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,079 they end up you know, putting like fielding the death lineup at his expense. 96 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,000 My whole thing, though, is he did play a huge role in 97 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,519 assembling what became a top tier defense for a very long period of time. 98 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,639 Without that trade itself, we don't know if the Warriors become the Warriors. 99 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,199 Is that because Andrew Bogan helped give him such a great defensive identity or because 100 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:38,279 it just liberated Steph from playing with mante Alisoul, you know, maybe a 101 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:42,000 combination of the two. And so he certainly deserves recognition. But when you 102 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,680 look at all the games that matter most for the Warriors and the playoffs, 103 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,639 I think there are a bunch of people, pretty much everyone in front of 104 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,720 him, with the exception of one who I think goes We're going with the 105 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:57,120 theirness factor. For him, he was just everyone else was just more important 106 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:02,839 to the outcome of most of those bigger games than he ever was. Yeah, 107 00:07:03,079 --> 00:07:08,040 the screens, the defense, the willingness to accept a smaller offensive role. 108 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,720 I mean, if you look back at the beginning of his career, 109 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,160 like he was featured in some of those Milwaukee offenses, never as like a 110 00:07:14,199 --> 00:07:16,360 twenty points per game guy, But coming out of Utah like he did have 111 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:21,360 offensive potential, and for him to totally sacrifice those touches as soon as he 112 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:26,480 came to Golden State in twenty twelve is a big deal. And I think 113 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,279 that that willingness to sacrifice even before the team became the juggernaut that it was, 114 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,240 really did help set the stage for that dynastic run. And that's the 115 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:38,920 kind of thing that it's hard to quantify, but it was. It was 116 00:07:39,079 --> 00:07:44,439 very obviously impactful. One of the more underrated passes passers in his position as 117 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:46,079 well too, and that was also a big thing of what helped the worst. 118 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,360 Not only are you dealing with, you know, fewer shots when don't 119 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,839 you come to Golden State, but he's also deferring more as well. And 120 00:07:51,879 --> 00:07:56,920 so oh, I wonder if Steph would have been as good an off ball 121 00:07:56,959 --> 00:08:01,600 mover and shooter as he is now without playing with Bogit during the early portion 122 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:05,759 of his career, if he wasn't rewarded for that movement to the extent that 123 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:13,199 he was, would he have prioritized that part of his development. That's a 124 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,439 good question. 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The 140 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,480 fans, you and I all had him at number eight, which I think 141 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:28,399 was valid. You know, a very solid role player, a deadly mid 142 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:33,480 range jumper. I mean, I think that's what we associate with him most 143 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,240 obviously. But you know what a success story for him to be such a 144 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:43,000 promising prospect with the Clippers, just destroy his knee on that lay up attempt 145 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,399 gone wrong and then come back to be such an integral part of this team 146 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:52,279 for such a long amount of time. Yeah, and look his defensive bandwidth 147 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:56,960 too, Like just he had wing range even though he was essentially deployed as 148 00:09:56,039 --> 00:10:00,120 a point guard, and so you have like a nice backup facilitator someone his 149 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,200 money from the mid range. But then also you can just move about on 150 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,840 the defensive end all over the place. I think that was a huge part 151 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,600 of their defensive identity, is that they didn't have to sacrifice too much of 152 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,120 it when they're tapping into their bench, just because you have these you know, 153 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,519 right down to Igodala when he when he came over. You have those 154 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:18,279 wing type players coming off the plne and Livingston was just a huge part of 155 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:22,080 all that. And they're you know, most of the advanced metrics aren't going 156 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,080 to love him relative to others, but you're dealing with a lot of counting 157 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,120 stats. They are cumulive stats because he just wasn't playing as much. Who 158 00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:31,360 knows if he would have He's he's eighth in minutes for Golden State during this 159 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:33,960 decade, but would he if he was on another team, would've gotten more 160 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,080 minutes? Could he handle more minutes? It does feel like this was sort 161 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,240 of the perfect situation for him, but he also left an imprint that no 162 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:45,559 one could have really foreseen when when he first came over in twenty fifteen, 163 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:50,759 I think it was was two two thousand and fourteen has fourteen. So yeah, 164 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:52,279 I mean, I totally. I think you could probably even if you 165 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,600 wanted to say that he belonged over at Harrison Barnes or a David Lee no 166 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,679 spoilers alert, I'd probably listen to it. Yeah. It's one of those 167 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,080 where like the Warriors were consistently worse with him on the court, And that's 168 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,879 a great example of why the idea of like the net ratings swing isn't always 169 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,320 the end all be all. Just because he had to replace Curry and so 170 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,240 many of these lineups. You know, he had to be the steadying force 171 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,759 of that second unit, and he did it on both ends of the floor. 172 00:11:20,799 --> 00:11:24,080 Like he was the steady facilitator. He was the interchangeable defender who could 173 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,879 work in so many different lineups, and that didn't necessarily show up in the 174 00:11:28,879 --> 00:11:31,120 statuet. But I'm glad that that you and I and the fans did seem 175 00:11:31,159 --> 00:11:33,840 to recognize those contributions. Yeah. I think that's a great point, is 176 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:39,039 that if you have to bear cast with replacing Stephen freaking Curry, like, 177 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,919 you can't really expect them to have like the improved net rating swing, And 178 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,279 that's where that can be fought and where where the context really matters there Who 179 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,639 came in at number seven though? So at number seven we have Harrison Barnes, 180 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:54,159 who we've already talked about. He was ten for the fans, he 181 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:56,879 was six for both of us. I don't really have anything to add beyond 182 00:11:56,919 --> 00:12:00,919 that, and we've already talked about him for other team. So I'm cool 183 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,440 moving on to number six if you want to, Well, I'm just gonna 184 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,240 say I do think there's look at what he was able to do. Another 185 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:09,080 guy who just had wing type of defensive range was okay, you know, 186 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,639 defending fours as well, and then he did work as a complimentary offensive piece. 187 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,759 And I guess this doesn't really help his Warriors ranking, but later on 188 00:12:16,799 --> 00:12:20,399 you saw there was more to his game than that. But I think there's 189 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,080 value in having someone like that who for so long played within this exact type 190 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,600 of role. I just don't where I really feel like the expectations random UK 191 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,000 It's like, what was his path to start them with Golden State? There 192 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:35,159 wasn't much. Yeah, I mean, there wasn't any. And I think 193 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:39,440 that's the biggest testament to him is that he was picked seventh overall in that 194 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:43,399 twenty twelve draft, but there was there was talk about him being the number 195 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:46,919 one pick before he played at North Carolina, like just this super hyped prospect 196 00:12:48,159 --> 00:12:50,840 and for him to come into a team that already had this much offensive talent 197 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,080 and be professional and be a positive locker room presence and be a positive on 198 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,120 court presence. I mean, I think Harrison Barnes' career could have gone on 199 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:05,320 a lot like Andrew Wiggins is in a different location, But the fact that 200 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,200 he never pushed for that role is a really positive, is a huge positive 201 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,919 for him. The final two things I'll say about him is one he should 202 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:18,720 narrate audiobooks I would buy and listen to. Those two, he is the 203 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:22,399 king of entering free agency at the right time, not only just going into 204 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:26,240 free agency in twenty sixteen, which obviously isn't his choice, like that's how 205 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,679 your contract is structured when he signed his rookie scale deal, but then seeing 206 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,360 what happened to like contracts after that and how tight the market was in twenty 207 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,120 seventeen, a little bit in twenty eighteen, and then he hits it again 208 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,600 in twenty nineteen to claiming that player option right before and this again no one 209 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:46,000 could have predicted this, but the NBA salary cap is about to implode, 210 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:50,120 and so just the king of entering free agency at the right time. Kudos, 211 00:13:50,159 --> 00:13:52,039 Harrison Barnes. I have to follow up on the audiobook point though, 212 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,000 because I agree with you he would be a great choice, but I am 213 00:13:56,039 --> 00:13:58,960 curious if he would be your number one choice among every NBA player ever, 214 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,200 because for me, I feel like I want to Kim bay Mutambo to read 215 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,440 audio books to my child, and if not him, like maybe Scottie Pippen, 216 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:11,440 and I think he's my wife's number one choice after watching the first seven 217 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,240 episodes so far of the Last Dance, Like every time he comes on the 218 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,840 screen and talks, she's like, he needs that. That man needs to 219 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:20,000 record audio books. Okay, I'm going to separate it like this. If 220 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:22,919 it was like a children's show, I would want to hear to kim By 221 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:28,799 Mutambo. I don't find the cookie monster voice that relaxing. And so that's 222 00:14:28,799 --> 00:14:30,919 fair, like you don't want him to like read Harry Potter to you or 223 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,639 something right. And with Scottie Pippen, if he was to host a painting 224 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:37,720 show where he was going through step by step what he was doing on the 225 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:41,039 canvas, Bob Ross style, that's what I want to see from him. 226 00:14:41,039 --> 00:14:46,039 And then Harrison Barnes can corner the market on the audio books. How's that. 227 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:48,080 That's a great answer. You've spent way too much time thinking about this. 228 00:14:48,159 --> 00:14:52,360 Before I asked that question, I didn't know that you were coming prepared 229 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:54,440 to talk about NBA audio books. Why do you think I actual if we 230 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,120 could start an hour late. I was just I was just preparing for this. 231 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:00,519 I actually didn't ask that, but I've been prepared for that question my 232 00:15:00,679 --> 00:15:03,080 entire life. Who So I had Harrison Barnes at number six, but who's 233 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,120 actually at number six in the composite ranking. Actually at number six is David 234 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,960 Lee. He was sixth for the fan vote. He was seventh for both 235 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,240 of us. We had very similar top ten ballots, just a difference at 236 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:16,200 number ten, and our second and third were switched around. So we're gonna 237 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,759 be consistently consistent here. I like it. Look David Lee was. He 238 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:26,759 had numbers when he was with the Warriors, big numbers. I remember when 239 00:15:26,799 --> 00:15:30,200 he was signed and traded from the Knicks. His like path to that contract 240 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,399 with the Warriors was wild. He signed a one year deal with the Knicks, 241 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,759 like for his second contract was a one year deal, which you really 242 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:39,720 just never see anymore. And then he gets signed and traded to them. 243 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,240 I think was it a six year deal at the time, I couldn't even 244 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,120 remember it for it was for a long time. Maybe it was only five. 245 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:48,159 I'm looking at it right now now it looks like he was six. 246 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,559 So one of those final six year deals. And look, he was a 247 00:15:52,679 --> 00:15:56,480 really good offensive player. He worked on the glass, pretty good passer, 248 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:00,639 never had the range that I think you'd want a contemporary big to have. 249 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,480 I think if you took prime David Lee right now, though you could, 250 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:07,600 you could probably pretty easily get away with him offensively as a center. Defensively 251 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:11,559 is a different story. But he was good. I think he was just 252 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:17,000 a quality guy. Was never really valuable to the best version of the Warriors, 253 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,360 but he was still he was still a good quality player. And I 254 00:16:19,399 --> 00:16:22,759 think he's there in his factor here when you when you look at where he 255 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:27,679 ranks in minutes played is fifth for the decade. That has to definitely count 256 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,360 for something. And so just solid, just there, and so I wanted 257 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:33,879 to put him in the middle. Yeah. One of the things you said 258 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:38,440 in the lead up to recording this really resonated with me that the Warriors dynasty 259 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:44,000 doesn't start without sacrificing David Lee. And like, if we think back to 260 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,320 that, the decision that Steve Kerr made during the twenty fourteen fifteen season and 261 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:53,960 playoffs to effectively move away from this twenty ten All Star, the twenty points 262 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,879 ten rebounds, not the year twenty and ten All Star threat, and give 263 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,480 so much run to Draymond Green. That was a bold decision at the time. 264 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,559 It was it was a controversial decision at the time, but it was 265 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:11,319 also the impetus behind their success. Like without without turning the keys over to 266 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,839 this unheralded second round pick who wasn't a big scorer, who wasn't always a 267 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:21,720 big rebounder, Like, we don't know what happens to these dynastic teams, 268 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:25,880 right. That's not a knock against the league, no, And it's look, 269 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,279 there's there's a level of just happenstands here because if he doesn't get injured 270 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:33,559 at the beginning of that season to where Draymond Green has to start, does 271 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,799 Draymond Green never see the starting lineup? That's a good question. It definitely 272 00:17:37,839 --> 00:17:41,079 took gall to stick with Draymond Green after the fact, but I'd be curious 273 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:45,119 to see if David Lee never gets injured, what happens with these Warriors? 274 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,680 Do we is at least Draymond Green the player that we know him to be 275 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:52,160 today? And so that is just sort of an interesting side plot to everything 276 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,799 that's happened with Golden State over these past five or six years. Yeah, 277 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,759 no, I it's it's definitely an interesting ypothetical. But again, I just 278 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:07,839 I want to drive home the point that them replacing Lee with Green is a 279 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,400 testament to Green's excellence and the need for that kind of skill set on a 280 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:17,000 growing and thriving team and not a knock against what Lee did during his prime 281 00:18:17,079 --> 00:18:21,799 years with Golden State, because he's probably one of the more underrated players of 282 00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:22,960 the last decade. Like, when was the last time you talked or thought 283 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,720 about David Lee? Even though he was he was a legitimate All Star, 284 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,759 like there was there was no doubt that he belonged in that conversation, but 285 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:37,039 he's just kind of been lost over the last ten years. Someone else who 286 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:40,559 is probably people just don't remember that he was a pretty good passer for someone 287 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,839 at his position. Who do we have at number five? I feel like 288 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,359 this one is the no brainer? Yeah, yeah, it is because he's 289 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,160 he's very clearly the best of the role players who were a part of the 290 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,000 dynasty, but he's not one of the four absolute stars, despite the finals 291 00:18:57,079 --> 00:19:00,440 MVP that he probably shouldn't have gotten. And if you haven't figured out that 292 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,160 we're talking about Andrea Igodala by now, then hey, we're talking about Andrea 293 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,839 Goodala at number five, who was fifth from the fans me and you. 294 00:19:08,839 --> 00:19:14,720 You know what, a consummate professional who always does what's needed to aid the 295 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,359 winning cause contributes on defense, contributes on the board some of the best hands 296 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,799 we've ever seen for knocking down shot attempts before they even get started. I 297 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:26,440 think that's like the signature play I associate with Igodala is that that rip strip 298 00:19:27,079 --> 00:19:30,119 as guys are going up for shots. I don't know how he does that 299 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,759 so well, But yeah, I mean, can you say bad things about 300 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:37,160 this guy? No, I don't even think it's there's really I don't have 301 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,319 anything to add. I would ask two maybe bigger picture questions. One, 302 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,000 I think it's easy, is Andrea Goodala hall of Famer? And two? 303 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,759 Did he deserve to win Finals MVP in twenty fifteen? He didn't. I 304 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:53,720 think I think we gave too much credence the idea that he slowed down, 305 00:19:53,799 --> 00:19:57,960 shut down whatever, Lebron James, But I don't. I don't think he 306 00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:02,759 deserved that award. It should have gone to either Lebron or to Steph. 307 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:07,599 In my opinion, I'm still surprised by that decision. I do think the 308 00:20:07,599 --> 00:20:11,400 Hall of Fame question isn't really a no brainer. While we while we still 309 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:18,440 have guys like Sean Marion who haven't made it. I will use every opportunity 310 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:22,960 to promote Sean Marian's Hall of Fame case I would put him in, But 311 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:26,759 I think I'm a little bit more lenient with with who I would want to 312 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:32,400 include than a lot of people are. To me, it comes down to 313 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,519 the question of, like, can you tell the story of basketball without him? 314 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:41,359 And like he was really he was really good with Philadelphia and he was 315 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:47,519 so vital to those Warriors teams, But I don't know, like he's he's 316 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:49,480 a great like sitting on the fence case for me, and I think I 317 00:20:49,519 --> 00:20:56,039 just I slightly lead lean towards inclusion. I'm probably heavily leaning towards inclusion. 318 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,440 But way to turn that into more of a debatable question than I thought it 319 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,920 was going to bay, Well, I'm curious what basketball references Hall of Fame 320 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,920 probability, which again is based solely on the numbers, And yeah, they 321 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,359 only haven't met six point one percent, which which doesn't surprise me just because 322 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:14,200 he doesn't necessarily have the statistical profile of a Hall of Famer, but so 323 00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:18,640 much of that is because he spent prime athletic years taking on lesser roles for 324 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,400 winning teams, and there's there's something to be said for doing that. Yeah, 325 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,839 And I mean, look you, it's tough for how many people that 326 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,920 have three championships that were playing a role on those team are actually not in 327 00:21:30,079 --> 00:21:33,720 the Hall of Fame? Right? Guys? Are you looking to last longer 328 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,039 than the value of a New York Knicks first round draft pick? Get the 329 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:42,480 blue chew dot Com. Bluechu dot com has the first ever chewable that brings 330 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,920 your performance in the bedroom to another level. They've got the same active ingredients 331 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,759 that are in Viagra and Sallis, so you know they work, and since 332 00:21:51,799 --> 00:21:55,759 they're chewable, they work faster. You can take them anytime, day or 333 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,759 night, even on a full stomach. 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I mean, he's probably gonna 343 00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:44,720 tweet at me now, right because it's it's it's it's Kevin durand a number 344 00:22:44,759 --> 00:22:47,720 four. I had him at number four, You had him at number four, 345 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,240 The fans had him at number three. Yeah, I mean, like, 346 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,039 what what a strange couple of years it was. I I remember being 347 00:22:56,079 --> 00:23:02,119 shocked by his decision to join the Warriors. I was surprised that he wanted 348 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,680 to leave the Warriors, though not necessarily shocked, but man, like, 349 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,880 those teams were so good while he was there, and he was so good 350 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:18,880 it felt like when he really just became everything on the basketball court. Yeah, 351 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,480 twenty sixteen, two and seventeen Golden State is probably the best team of 352 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,200 all time in my book, even though that's not the seventy three you win 353 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,680 team. You just look at that talent and just how it's how easy it 354 00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:36,000 seemed like everything came to them, just absolutely mind blowing. And look, 355 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,960 the reason I wouldn't put him any higher is just because the team did at 356 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,839 least prove it could win without him. I don't know if it gets too 357 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,519 more. It proved it could win an NBA record number of games without him, 358 00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:48,559 right, but then they blew a three to one league as well. 359 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:51,279 I'm just saying, I don't know if they win two more titles if he 360 00:23:51,319 --> 00:23:52,880 doesn't come. I would say they get at least one. But I think 361 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,039 that that's the easiest case to put him. Yeah, was he better than 362 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,799 Clay? Was he better than Draymond? Yes, but they were in front 363 00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:03,680 of him because that there in his factor matters when they were actually such integral 364 00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:07,680 cogs in this mammoth winning machine before he came, and they're part of the 365 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,519 reason that he showed up as well. I I was kind of surprised that 366 00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:15,799 he chose the Warriors at that time. I didn't. I guess I just 367 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:19,400 couldn't imagine someone of that magnitude going to a seventy three win team. I 368 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,039 was not surprised at all by how it ended. I think it was almost 369 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:26,799 written on the wall after just so many awkward moments. You look at Bob 370 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:30,960 Meyers. That was that the twenty eighteen championship parade or was the twenty seventeen 371 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:36,799 whichever one it was. At this point, that thing just seemed so combustible 372 00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:40,680 because it was clear why Kevin Durant left to go to Golden State in the 373 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,839 first place. But by doing that, he was fair or not going to 374 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:48,039 cheapen every single feat that he did thereafter on that team, And so I 375 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:52,119 could understand why he wouldn't feel fulfilled just by churning out championships there because people 376 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,480 are never going to view them in the same vein as if he had won 377 00:24:55,519 --> 00:24:57,960 one in Oklahoma City or maybe now if he wins one in Brooklyn once he's 378 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:06,920 healthy. Yeah, I get it from from his perspective. I was still 379 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,559 surprised, just because it seemed like when that team went through those those moments 380 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:17,960 of internal turmoil and adversity, they tended to come out on the right side 381 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:25,359 of them, Like it seemed like Draymond Green and Durant properly reconciled after their 382 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:30,400 big bruhaha, Right, But I also I do get why he left. 383 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,720 I guess surprise might have been the wrong word, even if there was some 384 00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:38,599 element of surprise because ultimately, like for me, as good as Durant was 385 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,799 in Oklahoma City, you know, a four time scoring champion who had to 386 00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:51,319 sacrifice touches in Golden State, it still felt like that was the Golden State 387 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:57,480 was the location where he became the fully idealized version of himself. And for 388 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:03,960 a superstar are who does genuinely care about how he's perceived. And I want 389 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,839 to make it clear that I'm not saying that as a negative, like I 390 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,880 don't mean to have any negative connotations from that statement. But for a superstar 391 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,759 who cares about how he's perceived by the general public, becoming the best version 392 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:22,480 of himself, I thought would would supersede some of those maybe devalued team accomplishments 393 00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:30,759 because Golden State is where he became just a deadly secondary facilitator and a defensive 394 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:36,000 weapon who could play at and thrive at almost every single position on the court, 395 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:41,359 and just like coming together, all the pieces coming together like that. 396 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,799 For me, I think that's why I was still a bit surprised to see 397 00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:48,880 him leave and pursue success in a new location. Yeah, that's only makes 398 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,039 sense, I guess, with all just the extracurricular stuff that was going on 399 00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:56,759 behind the scenes, though, where you could tell that the right teammates were 400 00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:59,720 wearing on one another when you factor an egoes, that's probably where it functionally. 401 00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:02,839 Yeah, we probably saw the best version of Durant we had ever seen 402 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,359 in some of those Golden State years. But I think you could just sense 403 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,440 that he clearly wasn't fulfilled in that role, and then that in term we're 404 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,640 starting to grade on those around him. Where we get to the controversy though 405 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,319 between us, is that the two and three spots. So who comes in 406 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:18,359 at three? Yeah? Can we talk about these together, do you mind? 407 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,200 So at number three we have Draymond Green. He was number four from 408 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,519 the fans, he was number three for you, he was number two for 409 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:29,319 me, and then Clay Thompson barely beat him out for the second spot. 410 00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:32,279 He was second for the fans, third for me, and second for you. 411 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:36,319 So I'm just I'm curious what the justification was. I'm not saying it 412 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,960 was wrong, because I think you can very easily go either way with these 413 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,440 two players, But why did you have Clay higher than Draymond Green? So, 414 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,119 look, this season actually has a lot to do with it. Because 415 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:52,200 I think it's clear that Draymond has benefited from his surroundings more than Clay Thompson 416 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:56,759 necessarily has. And so like that aura of imagine if Draymond Green could run 417 00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:00,119 his own team, that mystique is gone. And part of that was his 418 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,440 effort. Level of clear wasn't there. And the Golden State actually had some 419 00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:07,359 good defensive moments with him on the court this year, and I'm fine chalking 420 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,000 this up to a gap year for him. But now we sort of know 421 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,839 what happens with Draymond Green if you remove the superstars that are around him and 422 00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:19,880 with Clay Thompson, I do feel like his role there is more sacrifice into 423 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,920 it just because he doesn't have the same Yes, he can do stuff in 424 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,519 the post, he can create his own looks. Do I think that he 425 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:29,559 has another level as a facilitator if he was given more touches, I honestly 426 00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:33,079 don't know. But there's just been more of a sacrifice there for him, 427 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:37,160 and the fact that you combine that with you know, his defensive responsibilities did 428 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,759 not make the warrior's identity, but because he can defend one through three, 429 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:48,079 that's an absolute huge deal and it's helped Stephen Curry. It's made so many 430 00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:52,359 defensive assignments that you have to worry about, not just throughout the regular season, 431 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,920 but in playoff series. These just afterthoughts because you can count on Clay 432 00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:59,920 to really do great things on ball, and I don't think that's always reflected 433 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,000 in the advanced metrics because one, it's so hard to just quantify defense. 434 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:08,640 I think everyone agrees that that's just the hardest aspect of basketball to to objectively 435 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:15,720 quantify. So I just I respect all that, and when I'm going to 436 00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:19,279 combine what he's done, what he sacrificed, with maybe what we now know 437 00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:22,119 about Draymond Green that yeah, you know, the shooting has never really come 438 00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:26,880 around. The twenty sixteen year was sort of an aberration. Does it matter 439 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,359 a little bit that he was someone who really butt heads with Kevin Durant. 440 00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:33,000 I think that could be a case against him. And then I think offensively, 441 00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:34,759 yes, he's a talented passer. He can really do things when he 442 00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:40,279 gets moving downhill. But if you don't have Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson around 443 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:42,240 Draymond Green at the same time, I think you're looking at a vastly inferior 444 00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:45,839 version of Green, And you could say the same thing about Klay Thompson if 445 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,359 you remove the other two. I just don't think it would be as inferior 446 00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:55,599 relative to where he's at right now. I guess the biggest point I would 447 00:29:55,599 --> 00:30:02,839 want to rebut is the idea that this current season is evidence against Draymond Green 448 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,240 being higher than Clay in these rankings, just because I wonder if those situations 449 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,200 were reversed, would it be any better? Because for me, like Clay, 450 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:15,559 Clay is the player who I think is a bit more dependent on his 451 00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:18,799 teammates, and we're largely splitting hairs here, and it was ultimately like the 452 00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:23,359 intangible benefits that that Draymond Green possesses that pushed him ahead for me, just 453 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:30,279 because I think that he lent his competitive fire and his versatility to those teams 454 00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:34,240 and really became like the heart and soul of those teams, those teams mental 455 00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:40,079 states, which wasn't always a good thing, but I think it was mostly 456 00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:44,480 a good thing. I don't know that they become a defensive juggernaut without him. 457 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:48,079 I don't know that the Splash Brothers are truly unlocked without his passing and 458 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:53,519 facilitating I don't know that we see the death lineups without him. Just again 459 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:59,680 like there there are marginal hair splitting differences between these guys, but I actually 460 00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,839 kind viewed it the opposite, where if I was placing each of them in 461 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,799 a vacuum, I think I might have more success with Draymond as the centerpiece 462 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,759 of that team because I think that Clay is ultimately more dependent on those around 463 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:15,480 him, which is in no way a knock on him. He's he's want 464 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,799 to be absolute best ever we've seen in the role that he fills, but 465 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:23,200 I think it's ultimately like a smaller role than the one that Green has filled. 466 00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:29,480 Those are fair points. I think where we might really differentiate is I 467 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,880 think Draymond Green is just as reliant on those around him, it just comes 468 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,200 or manifests in a different form. Because with Klay Thompson, it's easier to 469 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,960 view him as more of this complimentary, you know, star dependent score because 470 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,279 he's just there are games where he just doesn't have to dribble it. With 471 00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:47,240 Draymond Green, if you take the dribbling out of the equation for him, 472 00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:49,000 or if you need him to shoot, or if you need him to create 473 00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:53,400 without three above average shooters around him at all time times. I think that's 474 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,119 where he's going to run into problems. And I think if you gave Klay 475 00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:00,319 Thompson the ball more and ask them to create from scratch, that he's going 476 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:04,599 to have more success in a similar situation this season than than Draymond Green would. 477 00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:08,240 But it is fair because maybe you could argue there's definite the emotional Bell 478 00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:13,640 Weather stuff absolutely matters. I totally get that. You can also the facilitating 479 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,240 too. I don't know if you put the ball in Klay Thompson's hands, 480 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:19,000 is he going to get to a, let's say, a Kawhi Leonard level 481 00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:21,920 of facilitating. I don't don't know if he would ever get them. My 482 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,319 guests would be would be no. And so I do think that's probably not 483 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,119 fair points. But I don't think he's more of a complimentary talent or star 484 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,880 dependent talent than Draymond Green just because he dribbles less. I think that Draymond 485 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:37,240 Green's right dependence just shows itself in a different way, and part of it 486 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:43,000 is the replaceability of what they bring. You know, Clay is one of 487 00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:45,720 the best three d you guys ever, but if you replace him with a 488 00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:49,799 lesser three and D guy. Are those teams that successful, Probably not. 489 00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:53,759 Are they championship caliber teams? Probably so. I think it's harder to find 490 00:32:54,480 --> 00:33:00,119 the guy like Draymond who doesn't need to score double digit points. But we 491 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,920 have we have video evidence of him guarding like four different guys on one possession 492 00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:07,640 and then getting a rebound and running a fast break capably, And I think 493 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,880 it's it's harder to find a player like that, which might not necessarily be 494 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,039 an argument for him over Clay, but is an argument in his favor as 495 00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:22,640 just like an absolute era defining star. That's right. I think it's we're 496 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,240 both at the point where it's a discussion, and I think that's where it 497 00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:29,960 needs to be. I'd be curious, though it does seem like people probably 498 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,519 default more towards your stance where it's just assumed. I feel like at this 499 00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:36,039 point, at least I would say close to him, of the majority would 500 00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:39,000 say Draymond Green is the second best player in or the second, let's just 501 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,119 say, the second most important warrior during this decade. The fans actually didn't 502 00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:49,400 think it was particularly particularly close. Clay was between second and fourth on every 503 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,359 single ballot. Green dropped down to seventh and eighth on a couple of them. 504 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,920 Now, that's weird. It is weird, and I think that might 505 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,240 be some personality. Great on voters would be my guests there, But there 506 00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:07,079 was a pretty clear stratification between two and three in the fan vote. But 507 00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:12,039 this does lead me into my once per episode trivia question. So if you 508 00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:15,840 want to put your thinking hat on, you ready for this one? Yeah? 509 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:22,159 Okay, So throughout NBA history, seven different players have averaged single digit 510 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,519 points while making at least three All Star teams. Draymond Green is one of 511 00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:29,559 them, and I'm curious how many of the other six you can name? 512 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,159 Four of them? Four of them I don't think you will get because they 513 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:36,000 played in the forties, fifties, and sixties. So I can even spot 514 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,199 you those and see if you can get the two modern era players who join 515 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,400 him in the club. In fact, I'll do that. I'll do that, 516 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,119 Paul Seymour, Andy Phillip, Dick McGuire, and Slater Martin. Zero. 517 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,760 Right, those are the four early era ones. Ben Wallace is one 518 00:34:50,800 --> 00:35:00,280 of them, okay. Dennis Rodman. Rodman is not one, all right, 519 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,760 And I'm guessing it's because I should have known this off the top of 520 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,039 my head. But yeah, only two All Star appearances. This is rough, 521 00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:12,840 But I can't I done the third one. I'm gonna give you some 522 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,159 hints. I'm gonna give you some hints. He's a Hall of Famer. 523 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:21,239 He made eight All Star appearances, he led the league in blocks three times, 524 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,400 and he was a four time Defensive Player of the Year. Oh no, 525 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,239 how am I not going to get this one? This is gonna look 526 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,559 so bad. I'm just making it look worse and worse for you. Yeah, 527 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:31,760 oh my god, four time. I should know that one right off 528 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:37,920 the bat. He played for six different teams and wore jersey number fifty five 529 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:43,840 for all of them. Is that dick kem Bay? Is it is Dikembay. 530 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,679 I don't think I didn't think he's scoring was ever that low. I 531 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:51,719 also think I momentarily forgot that he had four dpo yes nine point eight points 532 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,360 per game throughout his career. But he did score in double digits every year 533 00:35:54,679 --> 00:36:00,480 for the first eleven seasons of his career. It was just those small roles 534 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,760 that he took at the end of his career that depressed the career long scoring 535 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,239 tally. But well done. I mean you did. You did ultimately get 536 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,079 all three. That's what I'm gonna give you credit for all of them. 537 00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:14,679 Hey, look, this is the best. It's the best you've done on 538 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,360 any of these really hard trivia questions. No, what was the one? 539 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,519 I knew most of the teams were Joe Johnson played, that's true, or 540 00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,400 maybe it was Vince Carter. No one knew Vince Carter played for Phoenix. 541 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,079 I just want to I still don't believe that it has happened. It never 542 00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:30,920 happened. There is no conversation to be had at number one though, right, 543 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,760 No, it's pretty obvious. It's it's Steph Curry. He was number 544 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,039 one for both of us. He was number one in all but one of 545 00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:40,960 the fan ballot. Somebody did have him second with Kevin Durant first, which 546 00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:45,159 I guess, like on some level, I don't agree with it, but 547 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:50,719 I guess I get the logic, Like if you want to say that Durant 548 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,760 reached the highest level of any player in Golden State, which I still disagree 549 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,840 with because of Steph's unanimous MVP season, But I'm I'm trying to justify it 550 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,760 on behalf of our faithful Hardwood Knox fan. I just don't know even if 551 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,760 you wanted to say that Count Durrant was the Warrior's best player during his three 552 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,800 years there, which is a conversation. I don't know that I necessarily side 553 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:13,039 with it. How do you not like factor in Steph's theirness? He won 554 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,960 a title before Durant came, like and I think as we've already seen like 555 00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:22,039 what this is what like our eighth episode of these ninth Maybe I've lost count, 556 00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:27,480 but how many people have we seen that have spent the entire decade in 557 00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:31,079 the same spot. Very few Lebron changed teams like eight times in the same 558 00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:34,400 decade. I think it was eleven. All right, that's my bad, 559 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,440 But yeah, he's just seven. Curry's fantastic. Do you think him or 560 00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:42,519 Durant is going to go down higher on the all time rankings? Because I 561 00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:46,159 think there's a case we made that Stephen peak was better. His average might 562 00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:52,400 have been better. But there's like Kevin Durant's stardom has definitely been longer than 563 00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:57,000 steps so far. Yeah, I think Steph might already be higher. I 564 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,159 have not paid any mind to that, esp in top seventy four, but 565 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:06,159 I'd be curious who's higher in that one right now. But I also think 566 00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:08,639 his game is going to age better. What if he accepts like a Kyle 567 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:14,679 Korver like role where he's just this deadly off ball weapon deep into his thirties 568 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,559 and has fifty thousand more threes than anyone else has ever made, it will 569 00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:22,320 try young beets to that mark, as opposed to Durant, who's now coming 570 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,320 off an Achilles injury and probably already doesn't have a game that will age quite 571 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:32,199 as well because he hasn't been as prominent an off ball weapon. I think 572 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,320 Steph might already be ahead, and that's probably just probably only going to go 573 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,920 further ahead because just with the factoring in the injuries. Now the conversation is 574 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,280 probably not will Steph finish ahead of Durana? I think it's it could be 575 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,000 an overwhelming yes, there it is. Has he already surpassed him? And 576 00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:52,159 that's that's probably the conversation. I honestly don't know where I lean with that, 577 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,840 to be honest with you, what's the Steph myth that frustrates you most? 578 00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:00,920 Like? For me, I think it's still like the defense. It's 579 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,360 still the fact that we haven't accepted he's a decent defender and there's nothing wrong. 580 00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:08,519 We don't have to operate in this polarity like where he's either a great 581 00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:12,000 defender or he's a terrible one. Like, he's a decent defender. Do 582 00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:15,360 you know why? In part he's decent plays next to Clay Thomson, second 583 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,679 best player. He gets he's your assignments. But like his core is so 584 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,360 strong, and he's able to hold position against bigger players, and he has 585 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,760 great hands and he understands positioning well. Like, he doesn't have the tools 586 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,599 to be a shutdown all defensive player. But he's been decent throughout his career. 587 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:31,960 Yeah, and particularly during the most important years of the Warriors. I 588 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,400 would say he's been better than below average, which is super important at the 589 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,800 point guard position. I think people say it doesn't matter when you have someone 590 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,039 like Clay next to you. If your point guard is better than below average 591 00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:45,920 average to better, that's huge. I think for me of just be him 592 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,800 fading in the playoffs. He's actually dealt with injuries, and I won't use 593 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,239 anything as an excuse for why they blew that three to one lead either. 594 00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:59,719 But he wasn't bad in the twenty sixteen finals. When you look at the 595 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:04,400 number, it's like he just wasn't they had the Cavaliers just had a moment 596 00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:07,519 like kudos to the to the Cavaliers. And so the narrative that he's just 597 00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:12,239 not good in the playoffs are really fades. In the playoffs has always really 598 00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:15,079 like peeved me that, And the defensive one is there. I think we've 599 00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:20,280 at least moved away from he's just a shooter. I think people understand now 600 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,119 that the slights of Handy has off the dribble mean so much. The gravity 601 00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:27,119 that he has for others than just his finishing elsewhere floaters, the tricks he 602 00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:30,119 has around around the rim. One of the biggest misconceptions about this team, 603 00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:35,119 though, is that they always associate the Warriors with three point volume, and 604 00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:38,559 yet during those Kevin Durant years specifically, they were really heavily reliant on the 605 00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:43,800 mid range game. And that's that's a team wide misconception to me. But 606 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,840 that's always one I found interesting. It was, why do people just assume 607 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,920 they thought Golden State was just like this trend setter for three point volume, 608 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,239 and and really it was It wasn't That's Houston first of all, right, 609 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,719 but even after them, it's not Golden State. No, I agree with 610 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,440 you. Yeah, I think the playoff thing is my on her up. 611 00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:04,840 Specifically that people like to criticize him for not having a finals MVP. That's 612 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,760 ridiculous, like he's played at a really high level, knows And I think 613 00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:10,599 my third place one is that he crossed over Chris Paul and made him fall 614 00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:16,639 down. Nope, he stepped on his ankle. Watch the video. The 615 00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:20,679 other thing with him, too is I don't think people appreciate all that he 616 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,280 gave up by helping recruit Durant. We see that where stars wouldn't do the 617 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,039 same. Derick Rose in Chicago, for one, I think that was a 618 00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:30,440 a tories. He didn't want to help recruit Mellow in twenty fourteen, and 619 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,880 I'm sure there's been other instances of that, but he had to make a 620 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,840 sacrifice. Those finals MVPs might have been One of his sacrifices with Kevin Durant 621 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,679 is that you're going to go to Kevin Durant because he's taller and can shoot 622 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,360 over the top of people when it matters most. And that's not to diminish 623 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,239 with Kevin Durant do and say it's just because he's tall. It's absolutely naught. 624 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,639 He is the skills of a freaking guard. But Stephen Curry made sacrifices 625 00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:55,960 and willingly accepted someone who he knew was going to infringe upon his spotlight, 626 00:41:57,079 --> 00:42:01,239 his importance, his perception to win. And I still respect that. That's 627 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:06,519 like an intangible quality that matters, and also one of the lowest maintenance superstars 628 00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:10,599 out there, just because how many times did you hear Joe lacub or read 629 00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:15,119 I shouldn't say here, Joe lacob Steve Kurry just talk about how great Durant 630 00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:16,440 was or when they might have called them the best player in the world. 631 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:22,880 When you have the only unanimous MVP in NBA history on your team there beforehand, 632 00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:27,239 this dynasty definitely doesn't get started without them. He I think it's Stephen 633 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,679 Curry gave the Warriors their identity and then Draymond Green found a way to optimize 634 00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:32,599 it is really what it is, and so there's that's an underrated aspect of 635 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,559 his legacy as well. And I think it's too often that gets then pitted 636 00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:40,679 against what Durant did, and that's probably where it becomes too taxing because they're 637 00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:45,559 both great players. But it seems like Stephen Curry was almost underappreciated within the 638 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:50,760 organization during these pasts, let's say three to four years. I maybe even 639 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,320 before Durant came there. I don't know if it was under appreciation so much 640 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:58,000 as they knew that they didn't have to waste their time appreciating him. That's 641 00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:01,639 also true. But this is this is tangential. But we did just talk 642 00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:06,719 about Steph and Kevin Durant, so I'm curious what you think. There was 643 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,239 the you know, one of the many ridiculous opinions that comes out of first 644 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:15,880 Take, but one that one that irked me was was Max Kellerman saying that 645 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,800 that Kyrie Irving is the most skilled offensive player of all time. And I'm 646 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,000 curious I would have both Steph and Durant above him in those rankings. But 647 00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:32,039 I'm curious who you would have for that conversation. I don't know who would 648 00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:36,559 you have. I think Durant is the choice for me, just like the 649 00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:40,880 guy who can who can do absolutely everything on offense, especially like the version 650 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,599 that we saw in Golden State where he was a really deadly passer as well. 651 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:49,239 But like, you know, the seven footer who sorry if that's not 652 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,119 his listed height, but the seven footer who can get a shot wherever he 653 00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:58,079 wants, whenever he wants, however he wants it, who has the handles 654 00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:00,960 of a six foot guard, who can pass like a guard. You know, 655 00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:06,320 just he has the absolute total package. And I think we often mistake 656 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:12,159 flashiness for effectiveness looking at looking at you, Kyrie, And you know, 657 00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:16,760 I get if you want to make an argument for from Michael Jordan or Kobe 658 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:22,039 Bryant just because they had such an effective arsenal of offensive tricks. But I 659 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:28,559 just it's durant for me. I think, yeah, I think I'd probably 660 00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:30,719 agree with you there. That's an airtight case. Do you have any airtight 661 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:36,719 cases for the honorable mentions though for the people? Oh I have, Yes, 662 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:42,039 I have a very airtight I have a very airtight case against the man 663 00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:46,280 who ended up eleventh in the fan vote, which was somehow Barren fucking Davis, 664 00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:51,719 who did not play for Golden State. This techade, like Golden State 665 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,440 fans, what are you doing? Like we believe team was awesome. Davis 666 00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,920 had some ridiculous moments, like the posterization of Andre Kirolenko is an all time 667 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:10,960 moment in this franchise's history. But like what, he's eleventh. When you 668 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,480 texted me that, I couldn't believe it. That's just so funny. It's 669 00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:19,400 like, what is happening here? He got a fucking second place vote? 670 00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:23,199 Was Steph at least first on that ballot? I hope? Let me check 671 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,039 on that one. Let's let's look at that full ballot. In fact, 672 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,920 Baron Davis being numbered two is something, you know, the rest of it 673 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,360 was was defensible. It was Steph at first, Baron Davis second, Clay 674 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:43,559 Thompson third, Andrea Godala fourth, Kevin Durant fifth, Jeremy Lynn was sixth, 675 00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:46,519 which is interesting. Draymond Green is seventh, Andrew Bogats eighth, and 676 00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:54,519 I don't care was ninth and ten. So shout out to that fantastic ballot. 677 00:45:57,039 --> 00:46:00,719 The Jeremy Lynn thing makes me think that it was a joke because I 678 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,679 hope so clearly that he was there for like a hot second. So at 679 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,559 twelfth we had JaVale McGee, who I thought about at ten. Same for 680 00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:14,840 Zaza Patuli at thirteen and David West at fourteen. That was that was not 681 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:21,159 the only vote that Jeremy Lynn got because he ended up at fifteenth tied with 682 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:27,840 tied with Darrell Wright. At seventeen, we had Leandro Barbosa and Jordan Crawford 683 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,280 tied at Barboza wasn't a little bit higher. I know he was only there 684 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,679 for two seasons, but he doesn't deserve to be tied with Jordan Crawford. 685 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:43,880 At nineteen we had DeAngelo Russell, Festus Azeli and Kevin Looney, and tied 686 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,920 for twenty second we had DeMarcus Cousins, Jarret jack Ish Smith, Jordan Bell, 687 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,360 Eric Pascal Brandon Rush, and Marie Spates. We did also have like 688 00:46:53,840 --> 00:47:00,400 nine different ways of spelling sean livingstone, so maybe he gets credit that nine. 689 00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:06,239 Besides a W, what was the alternative was in ea N There was 690 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,840 a sah w N. There was an s h O n E. There 691 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:14,400 was an sa N Livingston, there was a living stone. Okay, yeah, 692 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:19,679 there were people got creative. The unsurprised Spates was so low. He 693 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,559 I was the only person who put him on any ballot. Shocked me like 694 00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:28,119 mo buckets. He was he was an institution in Golden State for those three 695 00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:30,320 years. That's the best way to put it he was an institution, I 696 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,000 wouldn't have I didn't put him in the top ten obviously, but I don't 697 00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:36,480 think he objectively belongs in the top ten. But like I just I associate 698 00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:43,679 him with those Warriors teams. Yeah, that's hysterical. That oh kind of 699 00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:45,360 a rough Were you surprised that anyone didn't get any votes at all? That's 700 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,360 not on that list. No wiggins On, He's been like a half year 701 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,800 there, He's gonna get them. Be honest, Why is that anyone didn't 702 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,480 get any votes? I don't think so. I think we covered like basically 703 00:47:55,519 --> 00:48:00,840 everyone who mattered to those teams. I think it was I was surprised that 704 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,480 that festist didn't get a little bit more love. Like I know that his 705 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,320 career was a little disappointing because of the injuries, but he was really good 706 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,159 when he was healthy for a little bit, Like it seemed like they had 707 00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:13,840 another like blossoming star in him. I just can't believe no one, No 708 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,840 James Michael mcado, none at all, not at all, No Jordan Poole, 709 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:27,079 Well, Damian Lee, Kai Bowman, Like have people been watching this 710 00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,679 season? We did get a Pashcal vote. I wasn't sure if anyone was 711 00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:34,000 gonna vote that was That was from the one and only Jacob Borton. Yeah, 712 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,559 I wasn't going to name him again. I'm going to He's got two 713 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:37,840 shout outs on this post, on this podcast, and I'm not sure that 714 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,559 either of them are positive. No, he should not be top ten. 715 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,000 He could he was. He was a standout contributor for a team that had 716 00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:47,400 was the worst record in the league, second worst record in the league. 717 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,719 This is the problem too, with the NBA being closed. I haven't looked 718 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,719 at the standings and forever because I haven't needed to, Like I've forgotten. 719 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,000 I could probably name the playoff teams, that's fine, but the lottery teams, 720 00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:00,840 I have no idea where any of them are anymore. Yeah, it's 721 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,119 all a miss mash who knows. This was fun though. When we come 722 00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:07,400 back, it'll be with the Houston Rockets. Until then, please remember to 723 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,320 rate, review and subscribe to us on iTunes or wherever else you consume your 724 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,480 podcasts. Follow Adam on Twitter at Framo zero nine. Until next time, 725 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,440 I leave you all with the shout out to the one, the only, 726 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,360 the legendary Vladimir Radmanovic.