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Hi everyone, I'm Tanya and I'm
Talia and we are Crimes and Consequences,

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a true crime podcast. Hi Talia, Hey Tanya. Welcome back. Everyone

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to come back another special episode of
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death, so I'm just preparing everyone. If you're extrasensitive to that, you

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In the early hours of January twenty
ninth, two thousand nine, kids across

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Australia, we're preparing for their first
day back to school after the long school

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holiday break. By all accounts,
this day would remain to be very average

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for many Australians. Children were struggling
to wake up in the early morning after

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being able to sleep in for the
last six weeks. So their holiday break

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is long, it's a lot longer
than ours. Nice parents were pestering their

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children to wake up in order to
get them ready for school while also preparing

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for their day of work. Little
did many Australians know that an event that

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would transpire on this day would shake
the country for years to come. Although

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the school holidays were over, the
scorching weather of an Australian summer was still

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in full effect. I haven't been
to Australia me either. I'm hoping to

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go there someday. But I bet
it's hot. I bet it's hot.

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Will this day would reach temperatures above
forty degrees celsius, which is one hundred

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and four fahrenheits. So it is
hot, hot, hot, hot hot,

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And they've got that ozone problem,
yeah, don't we all? Though?

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I wonder if it's a dry heat
or if it's a humid heat,

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right, does it? But even
though it was so hot, it wouldn't

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put a hold on the return to
school. It's like, you gotta go,

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you gotta go. While some students
wouldn't really be excited to go back

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to school. There was one little
girl who was extremely excited for her very

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first day of school. She was
four. Oh yeah, she's excited.

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Yeah, hell yeah, it's a
little Darcy Freeman. And she was just

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she was over the moon about getting
to finally go to her first day of

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school. She was born February eleventh, two thousand and four, to Arthur

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Freeman and Peta Barnes. Darcy was
the middle child for this couple and the

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only girl in the family. She
was described by family as a determined and

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strong willed girl. Her older brother
Ben, who was six at the time,

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and younger brother Jack, who was
two. She had two brothers.

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Like I told you, she was
the only girl. She had an older

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brother, Ben, who was six
at the time, and a younger brother,

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Jack, who was two. Darcy
absolutely loved her brothers and she looked

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up to her older brother Ben.
Her parents had her hands full. Oh

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my dad, really seriously. The
children all loved playing together and they loved

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their parents very much. In June
of two thousand and eight, Peta and

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Arthur separated, so the children had
spent their school holidays split between their parents.

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The children had spent the end of
their holidays with their father, Arthur,

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I mean the end of the holiday
break with Arthur. The night before

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their first day of school, the
Freeman children were staying with their grandparents.

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To get the kids to school on
time, Arthur had to wake them up

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bright and early, as the drive
to school was about one hundred and twenty

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eight kilometers away. But yeah,
which is ok because they were at their

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grandparents. Oh, okay, that
makes sense. You know the drive was

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gonna take him an hour and a
half's dark, Yeah, that's long.

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It is eager for her first day
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gates while she's dressed in her school
uniform. Darcy jumped into the car with

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her brothers and they got their seatbelts
on and they were on their way.

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The children were joking and playing in
the backseat as Arthur was driving them.

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During the drive, Arthur seemed a
little off. It was very apparent that

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something was on Arthur's mind, and
the longer he drove, the more he

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was dwelling on whatever it was that
was bothering him. The children didn't seem

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to take much notice in Arthur's behavior. They were just so distracted and occupied

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with each other that the strange behavior
from their dad was the firstest thing from

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their mind. Little did they know
that the day before, Arthur and Peter

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had attended family court to discuss custody
arrangements. After much discussion back and forth,

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the custy arrangement went from equally shared
fifty fifty custody to Arthur getting the

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children for three days every second weekend
as well as the afternoon on a Thursday

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in the off week. That's pretty
much minimum period of time here in our

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county. The verdict had really thrown
Arthur for a loop. After being at

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the court, he made the drive
back to his parents place and got there

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around midnight. Arthur had been really
stressed out over the court issue with his

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ex wife, but he never would
have guessed that he would have lost time

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with his children that he loved so
much. He spoke to friends and told

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them he was really upset about not
only the verdict but the way he felt

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he was treated throughout the proceedings.
He told his friends that although he was

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very upset about the verdict, he
was happy that it was all over and

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he could get back to his life
without this heaviness being held over his head.

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We know how that goes, absolutely, we're divorced attorneys. Yeah.

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Unfortunately, when he got home,
he was so distraught that he didn't want

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to speak to his parents about it. Arthur really couldn't think about anything else

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at night, and he continued to
dwell on the fact that the court felt

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he was inadequate to look at Yeah, he's seething. He woke up in

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the morning to take his kids to
school, and his father could tell he

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was still upset. He tried to
talk to Arthur about it, but Arthur

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was just dismissive, and he was
at the point he still didn't really want

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to talk about it. His father
then asked if he wanted him to come

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along for the drive to keep him
company, but Arthur refused his father's offer.

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As Arthur continued on the long drive
to get the kids to school,

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it's now rush hour, rush hours
started. Cars are starting to pile up.

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Oh my god, it's terrible.
The traffic was causing the drive to

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Hawthorne to take a little bit longer, and Arthur continued to think about this

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verdict from the day before. He's
Oh, he is pissed. As more

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and more time passed, Arthur became
more and more frustrated with the situation,

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he should have hired us. He
really needed someone to talk to, so

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he decided to call one of his
friends and during this conversation he just poured

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his heart out. His kids are
in the car. Yeah, while his

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kids are in the car. He
started crying and telling his friends that he

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had lost his children. Oh that's
nice, but he vowed to do whatever

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it took to get them back.
After finishing this call, Peter called Arthur

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and Peter's the ex wife the kid's
mom, to see what time she should

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expect to see him and the kids
at school. Arthur once again felt as

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if his ex wife thought he couldn't
look after his own children to get them

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to school on time, and he
gives offended she's trying to control and trying

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to control him, so he started
an argument with Peter. During the call,

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Arthur told her to say goodbye to
her children and he hung off that

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stop. I know where you're going
with this. Stop it. Scared of

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what was happening. Peter called Arthur
back and tried to talk some sense into

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him. Arthur wasn't having it and
told Peter, you know you're never going

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to see your kids again. And
he hung up on her a second time.

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The kids are in the God yeah
the car. Peter had no idea

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what to think at this point,
and she called her lawyers to tell them

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what Arthur had said. As Arthur
continued his drive, all he could think

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about was how he was going to
get back at his ex wife for everything

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she had put him through. I
don't want to know what he does.

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Arthur and the children came up to
Melbourne's largest bridge, the Westgate Bridge.

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The bridge stretches across the Yarra River, connecting the city to the western suburbs

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of Melbourne. It stands about one
hundred and ninety feet from the river at

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its highest point and can see up
to two hundred thousand vehicles going across it

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every day. Wow. The bridge
opened in nineteen seventy eight and it has

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seen some tragedy Before the bridge opened
up in nineteen seventy eight and during the

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construction, because it took a few
years. During the construction of nineteen seventy

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a section collapsed and killed thirty five
were holy shit, Yeah, so what

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the It's already got a reputation holy
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it quickly became the main road for
many commuters as the years went on.

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Yeah you said, two hundred thousand, Yeah a day, that's a lot.

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The bridge was full from rush hour, giving Arthur more time to dwell

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on the situation with his ex wife. Arthur then pulled over to the side

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of the bridge, toward where it
reached its highest point. How do you

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pull over on the side of a
bridge, You know, there's gotta be

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some I guess, but I was
feeling interrupting. I know, especially on

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a bridge. Bridge is terrifying,
right, Yeah, and at the top

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I am, I get, I
start to hyperventilate. Yeah, my mom's

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got a bridge full. Yeah.
I managed to drive over it, like

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I drove over the Macana Bridge a
few years ago, and I was like,

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you know, my mom goes,
just close your eyes. I was

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driving anyway. Arthur pulls over and
he turns on his car hazard lights and

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puts the car in park. He
turned to his children and told Darcy to

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come up to the front seat while
he unbuckled her seatbelt. Arthur then grabbed

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her and got out of the car. I know, brings yourself. Other

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commuters on the bridge saw Arthur take
Darcy out of the car. But they

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didn't think too much about it at
the time, as he had turned his

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Hanzards on. You know, they're
thinking maybe something's up. Others thought that

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Darcy was a doll and she really
didn't move and eventually didn't seem to struggle.

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Why is a grown man taking a
doll out of a car? Yeah?

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I know? During morning rush hour, right, Arthur walked with Darcy

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to the side of the bridge and
without hesitation stop it. He threw Darcy

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over the one hundred and ninety feet
highbridge. Arthur then calmly went back to

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the car and started it up with
the boys in the back seat and started

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to drive again like nothing had happened. What And they're like what what?

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I know? I'm sure they're freaking
out. Did Darcy did right? Many

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commuters who witnessed this horrible acte started
to flood the Triple zero That's Australia is

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nine one with calls, frantic about
what they had just saw. Very confused

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at what just happened. Darcy's brother
Ben asked if he could sit in the

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front. No, no, no, dude, no, no, you

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don't want to sit in the front. So Arthur pulled over and Ben got

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in the front seat, not fully
aware of the severity of what just happened.

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Ben Ben is six, right,
yeah, and Ben is six.

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Ben told Arthur he had to go
back for Darcy because she couldn't swim,

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and you know she's in the water. We gotta go back. Arthur ignored

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his child's pleased to help his sister, and continued to drive to the Commonwealth

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Locke Courts building, where he had
spent the previous day with his ex wife

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and courts. So we're no longer
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We're going to court. Once he
got there, he parked his car,

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paid for parking, and then grabbed
his boys out of the car and

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made his way into the building.
I love how he paid for parking.

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He doesn't want a ticket. He
doesn't want to through his four year old

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over a bridge, over a bridge. We don't want that ticket. We

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don't want that ticket. Arthur,
carrying his youngest in his arms and holding

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the hand of his eldest, tried
to give his children over to the court

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security officer and said take my sons. The security officer refused, and then

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Arthur started to crumble, like what
the fuck? Okay, let me take

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your sons. Yeah what? He
became unresponsive to security and his children and

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he started to shake, whimper and
cry. The boys told the security guards

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their names and the names of their
parents. Arthur was then taken into a

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separate room to be interviewed, but
a psychologist team that Arthur was not in

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the state at this point to be
interviewed. Wait, they brought him into

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the court and there was a psychologist
there. And did anybody say, hey,

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my sister Darcy. I don't know
if the boys you would think that

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Ben would be like hey yet yeah, I thought these kids would be hysterical.

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As the calls made their way from
police to news outlets like the emergency

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Calls, the story broke and left
the citizens of Melbourne really confused. People

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who worked with the different news outlets
thought it was fake. Police had gotten

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to the scene and after being in
the water for fifteen minutes, Darcy was

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pulled out. She was still alive. What right? Oh my gosh.

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Officers who attended the scene performed CPR
on little Darcy until the paramedics arrived,

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who then continued to perform CPR in
the ambulance. Darcy was then taken to

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the Royal Children's Hospital. As emergency
workers continued to try and do whatever they

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could to save her life. Police
officers drove to the school to find Darcy's

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mom to tell her the horrible news
about her daughter and take her to the

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hospital. Little Darcy hid and dirt
head injuries, bruising and severe internal injuries.

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Yeah, it's like hitting cement right
from that high up. Yeah.

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How she's still alive. I know, it's amazing. Right after five Yeah,

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I mean she'd have been in there
a while. She's young. Yeah,

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she's just survived more. I'd be
dead in a second. When Peter

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was at the hospital and she was
informed how severe Darcy's injuries were, she

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had to make the hardest no,
no for any parent to no. Yeah,

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she had to turn off Darcy's life
support. I thought you were going

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to tell me Darcy surviving. No
she didn't. I'm so sorry. I'm

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thinking she must have been brained at
at this point. Right at one thirty

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five pm, Darcy Iris Freeman was
pronounced dead while being cradled in her mother's

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army. I know this is terrible. After being arrested in the Commonwealth Law

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Courts Building, Arthur told police officers
about what transpired When he was on the

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bridge. He told police he was
worried about being late for school. As

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he approached the Westgate Bridge, he
started to feel anxious and trapped, like

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he wasn't going to make it the
school on time. While the traffic on

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the bridge. With the traffic on
the bridge, his anxiety began to rise

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more and more and he started to
feel right. I know, he started

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to feel frustrated. I get that
too. Traffic gives me such anxiety.

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Instead of a normal road rage of
yelling or even hitting the dashboard, Arthur

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decided he was going to grab Darcy
out of the car and throw his only

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daughter over the side of the bridge. Can't he just beat obnatches and beat

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the horn at everybody, pip them
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like, let's fucking go right,
No, this is a weird decision.

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As a news spread throughout Australia of
Darcy's death, Australians were left just confused

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as to how a father could throw
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foot high bridge to her death in
the middle of rush hour. In the

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middle of rush hour, A consensus
among the public was that the only reason

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was because Arthur was a psychopath.
A reporter who was interviewed for TV series

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Crimes That Shocked Australia told them that
when people would ask her what she was

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currently reporting at the time, she
would tell them she was reporting the case

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of Darcy Freeman, and people would
tell her that they couldn't talk or hear

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about the story. It was just
too upset. Arthur's trial is getting ready

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to start because obviously he gets arrested. Australians who were tuning into the case

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were eager to see Peter Barnes.
Many wanted to show her support as she

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would have to sit in court with
her ex partner, who man Peter Lea.

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I know right, I would have
to kill on. Honestly, I

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don't know how anybody can keep their
composure in times like this. Peter lived

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in Western Australia, so many people
had no idea what she looked like,

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and she would have to travel from
there for the court proceedings. When they

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began, people were eager to see
Arthur because, I mean, what a

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freak, right, There was no
hesitation in what he did. When Arthur

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turned up to court, people were
shocked by the man who appeared before them.

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He looked disheveled and like a rest
mutant, like mad Monk. The

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hair Woody Harrelson on a really bad
day, a little like pell Collins too.

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Write a little bit, not to
disparage them, but a little bit.

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His hair was a mass. Yeah, his hair was a mass.

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You'll see photos if you go on. Yeah, he's like bald, but

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it's with male pattern baldness and his
long hair. Yeah, and it's just

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like over. His hair was a
mess. And when he sat in court,

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he just sat there blankly, staring
ahead, without any emotion. He

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pleaded not guilty by reason of mental
impairment. The prosecution made their arguments,

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telling the court that Arthur wasn't insane. He very clearly knew what he was

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doing when he pulled over her.
I mean he put on his hazard lights

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and then he grabbed Darcy and threw
her over the bridge, and he told

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his wife. Yeah. Yeah.
They said he did it as an act

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of revenge against Peta due to their
bitter custody battle. Yeah. Peta sat

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through every moment of the court proceedings. She didn't want to let Arthur see

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that his actions had gotten to her, so she sat completely composed during the

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entire trial. God bless her.
She eventually testified against Arthur, telling the

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court about the relationship and the reason
for their divorce. The court reporter told

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Crimes That Shocked Australia that when Peta
testified, she was very poised in articulate.

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She carried herself well given the circumstances. The defense finally had a chance

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to tell the court their version of
what cause Arthur to throw his daughter over

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the bridge that day. They told
the court that Arthur had disassociated from the

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event, that he acted robot like
when he grabbed a little Darcy out of

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the car and threw her to her
death. The prosecution didn't believe this.

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I like, this is fucking bullshit, said That's what the bron scuter said.

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This is fucking bullshit, your honor, that's our interpretation what he said.

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In fact, the prosecution had gone
to five different psychologists to find some

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sort of reasoning as to why the
events on January twenty ninth occurred. All

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of them he had agreed that Arthur
fully understood what he was doing and he

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knew right from wrong when he did
it. He knew full well that not

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only could he have hurt his child
by throwing over the bridge, that he

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could also potentially kill her. Potentially, Yeah, one hundred nine drop in

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the water and she can't swim.
Let's see you jump into that water from

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that point. Now, Oh,
that's very high. That's giving me like

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anxiety just looking at it. One
psychologist testified and said, quote, all

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the observations of witnesses regarding his behavior
on the morning of Darcy Freeman's death suggests

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that he knew the nature and quality
of his conduct. Mister Freeman continued to

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demonstrate that he was able to think
purposefully about a situation and to continue to

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make reasoned judgments about both his own
behavior and the behavior of others. Unfortunately,

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we do not know what mister Freeman
was thinking at the time he threw

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his daughter over the rail of the
Westgate Bridge. Nonetheless, there is minimal

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evidence to support a conclusion that at
the time of engaging in conduct constituting the

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offense, mister Freeman was suffering from
mental illness that had the effect that he

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did not know that his conduct was
wrong. That is, that he could

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not reason with a moderate degree of
sense and composure about whether the conduct,

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as perceived by reasonable people, was
wrong. He knew it was wrong,

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and quote exactly, he knew it
was wrong. The jury heard about the

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phone calls that Arthur was making during
the drive. You know those phone calls

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that he made to Peter. He
also made phone calls to his sister,

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telling her that he was worried about
the kids lunches and getting Darcy to school

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on time, but not once it
assist get the indication that something terrible was

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about to transpire. He then called
his friend, who was living in the

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UK at the time, and told
her about his court verdict previous day and

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how it felt like he had lost
his children, but he was fully prepared

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to fight the court as he was
treated unfairly. He's making all these weird

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ass phone calls. He claimed.
The court was full of angry women who

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were against fathers, which was the
reason why he lost custody. We hear

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that all the time. I'm lightly
dude. Yeah, they hate men.

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It's not true. It's not true
anymore. Maybe maybe they used to be.

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They hate bad man, yeah,
but now it's not true now it's

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He made no indication to his friend
that he was going to murder his daughter.

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Then he received the first call from
Peta, who was becoming increasingly worried

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that Arthur was running late to drop
Darcy off on her first day of school.

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The prosecution felt that this call was
the catalyst for the events that transpired

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Next. Arthur started to feel the
rage build up inside him and wanted pet

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to feel the pain he was feeling. Arthur gave the war to his ex

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wife about what was going to happen
only moments later. This warning to the

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premeditation as exactly this warning to Peter
showed the court that Arthur was clearly not

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mentally unstable and was fully aware of
what he was about to do. And

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he just pissed talking to her.
Yeah, like this fucking bitch, I'm

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going to get her. They believe
that Arthur didn't want to murder Peta,

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as that wouldn't have the desire to
fact he was going because her, Yeah,

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he killed one of their kids.
It would cause tremendous pain to Peta

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for the rest of her life.
Before I tell you more, we're going

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to take a break. Arthur continued
to sit in court emotionless as countless witnesses

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and professionals all testified against him.
When the coroner described the injuries Darcy had

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stained in the fall, Arthur finally
broke down and cried as he listened to

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every single detail. This would be
the only time Arthur would show any emotion

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during the So what were her injuries? She had damage to her heart,

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the traumatic brain injury, and she
had a collapsed lung and the traumatic brain

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injury. Also she lost oxygen and
she was brain dead, and that's why

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her mother had to shut the way
of support off. A bit about Arthur's

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background came out during the trial.
His childhood was really nothing to note.

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His father was a school teacher and
his mother was a crossing supervisor. While

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he was in crossing Guard, Yeah, crossing Guard. While he was in

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primary school or elementary school, he
had a hard time as he was bullied

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and he even received counseling because of
it. As he reached high school,

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however, he was no longer bullied, so the remainder of his childhood seemed

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uneventful, like nothing to really suggest
that he could have the potential to do

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this to one of his own children. He attended university where he studied aquatic

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science, but then he later transferred
to a different school and studied computer science,

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where he eventually graduated with a bachelor's
degree. Arthur married Peter in nineteen

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ninety nine, and it was reported
that the couple was very happy. They

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would then move to the UK or
They purchased an apartment in London's North area.

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They gave birth to Ben, Darcy
and Jack in the UK. Peto

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was ready to move back to Australia
so the children could go to school there,

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so they rented a place in Hawthorne. Peto went back to work and

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Arthur was a stay at home dad
who looked after the children all day.

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Oh he was yeah. The Peta
and Arthur became unhappy with their relationship eventually,

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and it ended in March two thousand
and seven. Despite many attempts at

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counseling, they eventually divorced in June
of two thousand and eight. Was he

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stay at home dad on purpose?
Or are you just can't fund a job?

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Girl? I don't know. Okay. While these events may have been

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upsetting, nothing would have suggested to
people who knew Arthur that he would murder

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his child just six months later.
However, there are some things people didn't

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know about Arthur. No one knew
what he was like behind closed doors.

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People described Arthur as a nice guy
and he was put together well. However,

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little did anyone know that Peter had
reported to three different doctors that she

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believed Arthur was harming her children.
She told one doctor that she felt he

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was so vengeful that he was going
to kill her children just to get back

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at her. Another incident that Peter
talked about was when she went to leave

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the house with her youngest son,
Arthur grabbed him out of her arms and

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acted as if he was going to
smashim into the fireplace. What Peter's mother

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was at the house when this happened, and both Peta and her mother had

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to fight Arthur off when he wouldn't
give his son over to Peta. Another

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instance of Arthur's aggression showed its ugly
face when Arthur attended a social function in

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two thousand and eight, where he
started to make threats against Peta if she

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tried to prevent him from having access
to the children's whether there's some red flags,

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but no one ever thinks this would
happen, Not this now. After

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nineteen days, the trial came to
a close and the jury was sent to

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reach its verdict. It took the
jury multiple days for them to come back

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with a decision because to them this
didn't seem so cut and dry. Really,

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yeah, well, maybe they were
arguing about second grievers. Maybe they

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came back multiple times to ask the
judge questions, and it was obvious that

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the jury just couldn't grasp what they
needed to decide. The judge then posed

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the question as to whether Arthur deliberately
killed Darcy or whether he was insane.

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The jury really struggled with the fact
that though they believed he wasn't insane,

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they then felt that would mean he
deliberately killed his child, and nobody really

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wants to think that. Arthur claimed
he had no recollection of what happened,

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but his actions caused the death of
Darcy, so that left the jurors conflicted

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about reaching a verdict. They eventually
came back and told the court that they

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were deadline and couldn't make a decision. There were women in the jury that

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were clearly upset when they informed the
judge they couldn't come up with a unanimous

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verdict, and some were crying.
It was evident to everyone in the courtroom

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that there was some tension among the
jurists. This started to worry people in

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the courtroom who wanted to see Arthur
found guilty. The judge wasn't having any

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of it from the jury. It
was seven pm and most jurors go home

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at four thirty. When the judge
told him, you're going to go back

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and you're gonna make a decision,
as he believed they could come up with

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a final decision, the judge rephrased
the question without any legal jargon to help

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the jury understand the question better,
and they were once again sent to come

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to a verdict. Fourteen minutes later, they had a verdict. Okay.

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They were like, okay, we're
gone. It was like, we want

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to go home. I'm sorry.
That's probably not true. It probably is,

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but it's probably not in the in
the in the name of justice,

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it's probably not true. The jury
found Arthur Freeman guilty of murdering his daughter

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and that he had no mental impairment. A reporter told Crimes That Shocked Australia

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that after the verdict was read,
she got into a taxi and just cried.

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She felt the sense of relief that
Arthur was found guilty after what he

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did to Darcy and that Darcy's family
got the justice they deserved and Arthur was

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going to be punished for his crime. As the sentencing hearing came around,

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Peter read a victim impact statement.
Oh Man, and this was the only

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time she allowed herself to show how
much the loss of her daughter really hurt

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her. She didn't want to give
Arthur the satisfaction of the pain he caused

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until after he was found guilty.
The judge would later repeat parts of Peter's

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impact statement when the sentencing came as
he wanted to reiterate to Arthur the magnitude

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of his crime. Quote. Where
to start is a challenge, as this

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statement brings to the surface all of
the raw emotions I live with daily since

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the loss of Darcy. I grieve
on a daily basis and realistically do not

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see how it can ever change.
The same time heals all wounds is not

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true for myself, and I don't
ever expect it to be. Not a

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day goes by where I do not
constantly think of Darcy, where I don't

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miss her and wish with all my
heart that she was with me. I

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can feel her little hand holding mine
when I walked down the street or drive

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in the car. I lie in
bed at night and hold her in my

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arms. I talked to her and
think of her daily, wishing she was

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participating the activities that were happening at
the time. No words could ever truly

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describe the loss of a child to
a parent, the emptiness that sits with

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you, the piece of you that
no longer exists, the fact that you

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no longer go on in life as
a complete person. Seeing little girls who

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have similar traits or looks to Darcy
heightens my already active emotions. Holding myself

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back from giving the child a hug
is always a struggle of self control.

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Not a day goes by where I
don't flash back to the emotions I felt

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when I was told by my ex
husband that I would never see my children

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again. The panic and fear these
words oft inside me resonates within me even

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today. I feel and now an
incidents of my daily life that would not

410
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:11.039
have impacted me prior to Darcy's passing. I noticed that I have heightened anxiety

411
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.319
in everyday situations and have to manage
myself carefully to control this end quote just

412
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:19.160
got those two boys got to take
care, right? Don't I want to

413
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:23.279
cry? Time heals all wounds.
I don't think not losing a child.

414
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Now. Officers who were on the
scene and found Darcy's body in the water

415
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:34.200
have been diagnosed with PTSD and major
depressive disorder, and many commuters that witnessed

416
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:38.240
Arthur throw Darcy over the bridge had
to receive counseling for the tragic event they

417
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:44.759
witnessed. Many of those people wrote
impact statements for the court to show the

418
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:48.359
impact of Arthur's actions, like what
it had on the community was crowded,

419
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.039
crowded. You know, many of
these people are just trying to get to

420
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.480
work and they're just never going to
forget this day because of what Arthur did.

421
00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:00.519
On April eleventh, two thy eleven, Arthur was sent to life in

422
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.720
prison with a minimum sentence of thirty
two years. The judge believe that Arthur

423
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:08.720
was not beyond redemption but needed to
be punished for his heinous act. Arthur

424
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:12.720
will be eligible for parole in twenty
forty one, when he will be sixty

425
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:17.880
seven years old. Like many times
we've seen before, this would not be

426
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:21.799
the end for Arthur. Arthur,
what's that mean? Well, Arthur set

427
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.400
out to appeal his sentence, okay, believing that what he had been given

428
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:32.839
was manifestly excessive. Once again,
your core is just bringing him. Yeah,

429
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:36.119
they're just you know, they're giving
it to him. Once again.

430
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:41.200
Unfair, unfair. Arthur's team felt
that while the judge thought Arthur's depression at

431
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:45.000
the time was moderate, he completely
overlooked it and it should have been considered

432
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.799
high. Okay, well, hi
to your depression. Yeah, doesn't mean

433
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:52.519
you're throw a kid, you know. They said, because he had high

434
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:55.599
depression, his sentence should be reduced. He should have I mean, this

435
00:31:55.680 --> 00:32:00.000
sounds bad, but he could have
killed himself, right, right, Yeah,

436
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:05.279
why but it wouldn't hurt Peta if
he killed himself, right. Arthur's

437
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:09.599
appeal was ultimately rejected on multiple grounds. There was nothing provided to the court

438
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:14.640
that could prove that Arthur was in
such a depressive state that he was unaware

439
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:19.480
of what he was doing. Is
basically what the court decided the minished capacity

440
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:23.559
right and wrong. The previous judge
said during a sentencing quote, I except

441
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:29.880
that your offending was not premeditated,
but related to your increasing anger towards your

442
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:35.200
former wife over the family court proceedings, exacerbated by you being late for Darcy's

443
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:38.160
first day at school. It should
be noted that Professor Burrows, who was

444
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:43.039
the psychiatrist called by the defense,
did not doubt that you were angry at

445
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.240
the time you killed your daughter.
Well, no, shit, I have

446
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:49.160
no doubt that the resentment you bore
your wife had been building for some time.

447
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:53.319
Yeah, he did it because he's
pissed and he's anxious. Yeah,

448
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:58.200
for sure, he wanted revenge.
He hated her, and she was taking

449
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.039
away his kids, so he was
going to take dar. She wasn't even

450
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:04.200
taking away his kids, you know, she wasn't see his kids, and

451
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:08.519
she didn't make the decision the court
did. While Arthur is living out a

452
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:13.759
sentence in a maximum security prison,
it is reported that he was involved in

453
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:19.559
a prison brawl where he sustained minor
injuries. Apparently, other inmates were constantly

454
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:23.720
tawning him, which eventually resulted in
him exploding at them. This then caused

455
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:27.880
the inmates to start a fight with
Arthur, and it would be a minute

456
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:30.160
before the prison guards stepped in to
break up the fight. Arthur and the

457
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:36.200
other inmates in the fight were eventually
separated across the prison to prevent another altercation.

458
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:40.440
An inquest was conducted from statements made
by Peter Barnes. Was this tragic

459
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:45.079
event preventable and is there anything we
can learn from this? The focus of

460
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:50.559
this inquest was mainly on Pete's appointments
with her doctors, where she disclosed to

461
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:54.640
them about the potential abuse her children
were suffering, and whether the doctors acted

462
00:33:54.680 --> 00:34:00.640
responsibly by not reporting the allegations to
authorities. But I don't think they have

463
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:06.319
to report hypothetical Yeah, oh,
you're not going to see your children again.

464
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.679
Now if he said he was going
to kill them, right, that's

465
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:13.760
true, He didn't say that.
He didn't say that. The inquest heard

466
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.639
that the police did attend to domestic
dispute between Pete and Arthur in two thousand

467
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:21.239
and seven. The police were aware
of some instances of concern, so the

468
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:24.480
doctors felt that they didn't need to
report the allegations to polices. They were

469
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:30.679
already aware of them, and that's
why he didn't get joint custody exactly right.

470
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:35.559
The doctors felt there were no indicators
at the time that would suggest that

471
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:37.880
Arthur would hurt his children. One
doctor said that even in hindsight, he

472
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:42.480
had no idea what Arthur was going
to do. He didn't threaten to throw

473
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:45.079
a kid in a fireplace though,
right, he didn't threaten it, he

474
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.519
acted like he was going to do
it. Yeah, Arthur always seemed to

475
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:52.079
appear well put together and calm.
So not in the pictures I saw them.

476
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:55.000
They was during the trial. Though. After Darcy's death there were a

477
00:34:55.039 --> 00:35:00.719
spike in suicides off the Westgate Bridge. Yeah, could have been prevented.

478
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:05.000
I guess if there was some talk
of putting more barriers up on the bridge,

479
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:08.320
but high, yeah, higher ones. The Westgate Bridge now has.

480
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:14.360
They have nets. Oh right,
they do down on like on a bridge.

481
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:16.960
They would jump and then that catches
you. Well, then you could

482
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:21.440
always jump off the net. It's
true. I think I'm kind of hard

483
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.679
to get out of though. I'm
just saying, yeah, there's a will,

484
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:29.039
there's a way. It's true.
The Westgate Bridge now has safety barriers

485
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:34.280
to prevent anyone from jumping off the
bridge or being thrown off. Many Australians

486
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:38.199
still feel great sadness when they hear
Darcy's name or see the Westgate Bridge.

487
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:43.159
It is unclear how Darcy's family is
currently doing, but I hope they're doing

488
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.079
well. I did too, and
they're able to remember Darcy for the beautiful

489
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:51.239
little girl that she was, and
not for her death. When when did

490
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:53.320
this happen? This wasn't that long
ago? Right? No? Ten years

491
00:35:53.320 --> 00:36:00.400
ago, two thousand and nine.
Her poor brothers, I know. Ok

492
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:04.239
how do you, I know,
get over that? How do you get

493
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:08.000
over that? I don't know?
And that's my terrible, sad story about

494
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:13.320
little Darcy Freeman. I don't like
those kinds of stories. I know.

495
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:19.159
I'm very very very sad and horrible. And it's just how can you do

496
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.639
that? How anybody could do this? He snapped, Yeah, lost it

497
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:28.840
definitely, Teliah. Before we get
into our business, would you like to

498
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:30.760
do some review the reviewer? Oh
my gosh, we haven't done that in

499
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:35.679
so long. Oh my god.
Well we've gotten some who star reviews recently.

500
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:37.119
Well, I have to go from
sad to pissed off. Yeah,

501
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:40.840
and they're mostly about me. So
you're going to enjoy this. I'm just

502
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:50.599
kidding you would enjoy it about you? Okay. This one was left on

503
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:54.599
August seventh, twenty twenty three,
by Chris Jesse Jake and it's two stars

504
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:58.880
and the title is used to be
a fan Oh. I used to love

505
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:02.840
the show, but I feel like
every time I listen it gets cornier corner.

506
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:08.239
Tanya needs to go what all these
he needs to fucking go all the

507
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:14.039
oh my gods, and seriously,
and she just piggybacks on whatever Talia says

508
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:17.519
this. No, you are real. Like when I'm having a normal conversation

509
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:22.199
with Tanya, she talks exactly the
same. I have no idea how in

510
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:27.440
the world she's an attorney. She
seems to have like half a brain.

511
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:32.360
What the mother fuck? Yeah,
fuck this person. He needs to fuck

512
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:36.840
off. Yeah, Chris jesse Ja
gets one star. No, he gets

513
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:40.280
no stars, and he gets a
big fuck off Chris jesse Jay can lick

514
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:45.800
my nuts. Okay, it's gracious, Well he's lucky he's not in front

515
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:50.280
of me right now. Yeah,
we have another one Okay, two stars.

516
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.360
I don't like these. This was
left July thirty, first, twenty

517
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:58.679
twenty three by eight five eight Mia. Okay eight five eight Mia Mia.

518
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:00.880
I've been listening for a long time, but the past five or so episodes,

519
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:04.760
I've had to stop them midway.
I can't finish. It. Sounds

520
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:07.280
like they are reading directly from a
script and it's their first read through.

521
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:14.880
Sometimes it is the constant, Oh
my god, and seriously throughout the story

522
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:19.480
are obnoxious and they and they saw
first in fake, they're not worse in

523
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.400
fake. They're definitely not fucked sake. Oh my god. Right, Like,

524
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:28.800
what what is your reaction when you
hear a horrible story like she's getting

525
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.159
thrown off the bridge? Oh my
god, Oh my god. All right,

526
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:35.239
I'm gonna have to think of something
else. I'm gonna have to have

527
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:38.079
new natural reaction. It's me and
not you. So it's like the host

528
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:42.079
give up, are no longer into
true crime. So they're just going through

529
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.239
the motions. I don't know what
happened, but I have to stop listening.

530
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:47.320
Oh okay, well you can also
fuck off. Yeah, you can

531
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:52.199
also fuck off and fuck off some
more. When you're done fucking off,

532
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:57.039
fuck you. Then there's a five
start, so we're gonna do some good

533
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:02.199
ones, okay or something nice.
So July twenty fourth, JBT Mom said,

534
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:07.400
addicted five stars to what. I
really love this podcast. Great host,

535
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:12.719
chemistry, lesser known cases, and
victim focused checks all the boxes for

536
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.199
true crime junkies. Then August fifth, wait, I love her, Oh

537
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:20.360
yes, I love her. She's
five stars, five stars across the board.

538
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:23.000
Ye right, we love you,
we love you JBT mom. Yeah,

539
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:27.599
absolutely absolutely, it was very nice
of you to leave a nice review.

540
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:32.320
Yeah, oh my god, oh
my god. So seriously. Then

541
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:37.519
in August fifth Jazzy Girls sixty six, she gave us five stars. She

542
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:42.639
said, I came across you recently
and have been binging from episode one.

543
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:46.440
I love it exclamation point, exclamation
point. I'm with Tanya. I hate

544
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:51.360
people, and none of the killers
deserve a second chance. Whoa shit.

545
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:52.519
I know I'm kind of hard on
it. I mean, I hate people,

546
00:39:52.840 --> 00:40:00.239
but sometimes redemption love the fact that
you ladies can talk honestly and you

547
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:04.400
don't care about what anyone has to
say. No, we don't give a

548
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:07.079
fuck except her. I like what
she had to say. We're very sweet.

549
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:09.639
We love you, we love you. You don't need to fuck off

550
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:16.679
because we like you. We do
lovely. The other two star people can

551
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:22.400
go fucking kiss my ass, kiss
lin too, and go find a different

552
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:24.440
podcast. I mean, honestly,
yeah, go go. If you don't

553
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:29.639
like the way I talk or the
things I say, Sorry for being real.

554
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.239
Would you rather me sit here like
a robot? You know who scripted?

555
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:36.840
Oh, I'm not gonna say.
I'm not gonna say their name,

556
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:39.400
but maybe she could listen to them. Yeah, at least they don't say

557
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:43.480
oh my god. And seriously,
seriously, do I really say it that

558
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.280
much? We both do it all
times? Sometimes do we say seriously at

559
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:51.000
the same time? Seriously seriously?
I know? Just sorry? Well,

560
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:53.760
you know what, Like I said, now, I'm pissed. I'm really

561
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:59.239
pissed about those two stars, especially
the one that's trying to hurt my friend,

562
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:01.280
because Honey is my friend. I
know, you know, it doesn't

563
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:05.320
hurt we're feeling. If I knew
where he was at our slashes tires and

564
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:09.480
run really fast away and maybe keys
car, I don't know, maybe maybe

565
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:15.360
maybe we could do together my dog
shit on his mirror or windows or whatever

566
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:17.760
or yeah, but I won't I
wouldn't do that. It's illegal, but

567
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:21.960
I might do it. If I
wouldn't fantasize about it, I could,

568
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:24.599
you know, you never know if
I had enough alcohol, right, what

569
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:30.199
I might do. So that was
our segment review the reviewer. Yes,

570
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:34.320
well I don't like those people.
Yeah, those people can fuck right off.

571
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.400
But I love the other two so
absolutely. And there's lots of other

572
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:39.800
really great ones. You know,
we do review the reviewer usually when there's

573
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:44.559
a bad review that comes by because
because we hate them. Because we hate

574
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:46.159
them and I need to vent a
little bit somebody, you know, if

575
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:49.719
I need to go to Leah really
doesn't want to do the show with just

576
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.119
on her own. Oh yeah,
hey, I'll be like, hey,

577
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:54.320
so then she jumped off, you
know, I got thrown off a bridge.

578
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:58.320
Maybe Oh my god, you could
do both? Yeah, like it

579
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:05.840
just what, no fucking way to
Leah. Yeah no, it doesn't work

580
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:09.039
that way. Yeah, no,
fuck them anyway, before we go,

581
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:15.039
We'll just do the business now.
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582
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:20.199
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583
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:25.280
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585
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586
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587
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:43.480
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588
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:49.000
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589
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:52.719
hardcore true crime, hardcore crime on
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590
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:57.119
been active all I haven't. One
day we will. I'm sorry, but

591
00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.639
life has been horrible these past pisser. Yes, so I'm sorry. Life's

592
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:06.920
a real big pisser and I think
that's everything. So until our next episode,

593
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:08.000
don't kill each other. Bye bye,