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Well off of a weekend that has
seen William Zappeida looked impressive in the Golden

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Boys main event in Las Vegas,
a week that is now one week closer

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to an upcoming Tim Zu Keith Thurman
fight. You're gonna hear from Keith Thurman

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on the podcast. We're ready to
do that. Get a little fight news.

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It's great nostalgia on Meldrick Taylor and
Julio Cesar Chavez all on this show.

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It's the Fight Freak two night recap
podcast. I am the somewhat competent

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host TJ Reeves. He is our
insider Dan Rayfield. Good to be back

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with you, and we've got a
lot to go over, a lot to

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cover again. Keith Thurman, one
time the former world welterweight champ on the

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show. Here little recap, little
nostalgia. You and I are going to

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go over maybe the most controversial stoppage
in a big time championship fight ever in

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the Nostalgia Chavez against Meldrick Taylor.
First of all, how are you coming

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off the weekend? How are things? My friend? I'm good? Wasn't

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the most compelling set of boxing matches
that we watched Denver our life, but

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you know got the job done.
We are here to recap the Golden Boys

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All right, So William Zapeida gets
the victory over Maxi Hughes of England.

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Zupaida obviously the Mexican rising lightweight star, the IBFWBA eliminator. Dan your thoughts

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on Zapeida? How he looked and
he gets his hand raised yet again an

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active fighter and another impressive win.
I mean this won't be a controversial statement.

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He looked awesome. I mean he
did what he does, which is

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throw over one hundred punches around land, the whole shitload of them, beat

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the living daylights out of his opponent
and get another victory under his So now

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he's thirty to Zho with twenty six
knockouts. You've never heard anybody call him

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out. But he's now going to
be a problem because he's he's now because

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of his victory over Hughes, who
you know, his corner stopped it after

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round four of just an absolute freaking
beatdown. Williams of Paida is now mandatory

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in two organizations. He's mandatory in
the IBF, He's mandatory in the WBA,

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So that means he's in the mandatory
position for the winner of the May

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eleventh fight between Lomachenko and Cambosas,
who are fighting for the vacant title,

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that take place in Australia. He's
also now officially the mandatory for the WBA

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title holder, which is Gervonte Davis. Now Gervante has got another fight coming

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up, He's probably fighting Frank Martin
come June, and the mandatory is not

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yet due. But the point is
at some point in the next couple of

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fights, at least probably before the
end of the year, he's going to

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get some kind of title opportunity.
Even though he's not the mandatory in the

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WBC. He's going to call at
cor Stevenson, Oscar de loy is promoter

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you know, has made social media
video saying, come on, Jakorla,

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let's do it. After the fight, Oscar you know, looked into the

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cameras that it sacure if you're watching, Let's get it on cha. Couru

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supposedly got a fight coming up,
you know, in the July fourth weekend.

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No opponent that is set for that, so you never know. There's

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no reason why after what amounted to
just like a nice workout for the Paida,

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he couldn't be ready for a fight
in July, although I'd be a

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little surprised if Chequurt and top rank
did that, but you never know.

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But anyway, to make a long
story short, just an absolutely overwhelming performance.

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Now, Maxi Hughes actually won the
first round on two of the three

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cards. I thought that Sepaida did
enough because he was such a much heavier

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hitter. But Max he threw like
fifty plus punches. That's pretty active for

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him, and he just couldn't keep
it up because the Payda is just such

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an overwhelming opponent. He's teeing off
and the you know, he landed good

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right hands to the head. It's
the body attack that is absolutely punishing.

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Stereotypical Mexican body puncher to a tee. Just blast, blast, blast to

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the body, mark tip his face, and you know that fight could have

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been stopped, you know, maybe
a little earlier than it was. You

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know, Robert Hoyle, who's was
the referee, did a good job.

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I don't think it was a you
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that. He was given, make
Maxi a chance. You know who's uh,

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you know, a tough, tough
guy. A big moment for him.

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And when the when the round was
over, after some conversation in the

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corner, uh that the Maxi used
corner, threw in the towel and said,

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you know, enough is enough.
But it wasn't like Hughes fought a

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bad fight. It said, Zepaia
has fought that overwhelming of a of a

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performance, and uh he's he's a
tough out man. He is gonna give

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anybody in the weight class. I
don't care who it is, shakor tank

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Loma ambosis. Pick a guy who's
a lightweight. Uh, they're gonna they're

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gonna have some trouble. And I'm
not saying that is gonna beat everybody,

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but then well, they're gonna know
they were gonna fight if if he happens

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to lose, fast hands, big
punching power. He's been active, so

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we'll see what's in store for him
as you laid it out for us later

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this summer, later this year.
For William Zapeta, it's something good for

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gold golden boy right now to have
that guy on the rise of one for

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sure, and also more than anything
entertaining because when the time comes, if

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he does news a fight, he's
not the kind of guy that you're gonna

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say, Okay, we don't want
to see him again, which there are

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plenty of guys like that. He's
gonna be the kind of guy that,

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Okay, he lost, well let's
see him again, because he's going to

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always give you an exciting fight,
because, like his statistics prove out,

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it's just non stop punching, withering
body attack and good power and good attitude.

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I love the fact that in the
post fight interview, you know,

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most of it he conducted through a
translator to translate his Spanish words, but

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he spoke a little bit in English
and you could very for sure make out

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hit his comments about wanting to fights. Of course, Stevensoner or Gervanta Davis

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in his post fight remark. So
he does have a little bit of that

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swagger to him, even though he
was a very humble type of guy.

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I just I can't get enough watching
the paid fight. I've been watching him

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for a while. I had him
on my prospect list before anybody was really

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thinking about him, and I love
watching them development too. A legitimate top

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contender he was supposed to do now
on the undercard, Floyd Schofield another guy

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that you've also had as a as
a prospect, and we've been talking a

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lot about him on these podcasts over
the last year plus. He gets the

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win, but it's his opponent.
As story swear if I have that pronunciation

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correct, that was really the problem, including fouling Schofield going to that and

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the rest of the undercard there for
Golden Boy, if you wouldn't well Scofield,

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you know, he looked pretty good. I mean he's a young fighter,

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he's fast, he's got power,
he's hungry, he's very energetic,

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and he comes to fight. But
you can only come to fight if your

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opponent's gonna be there to fight with
you, and Schofield was more than willing

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to engage. He can also box, by the way, But Swearo thought

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the most negative, dirty fighter I've
seen in a long time, you know.

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And the thing that pissed me off
about it was they act like they

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didn't know they're fouling, Like,
you know, he's like shrugging his shoulders,

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like what who me? You know, And in Ishmael Salas, who's

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a trainer, his trainer, you
know, a terrific trainer, also was

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in on the bullshit because they were
making it out like we didn't do anything.

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Meanwhile, he's hitting him in the
Nazi, lifting them off the canvas

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and throwing him down. He's grabbing
him, he's holding them. You know,

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he's he's he's budding him. It
just dirty, dirty, dirty.

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There was a head butt early in
the fight that ripped open a terrible cut

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in the eyebrow over Schofield's eye.
He's you know, been so the eye

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was bloody and he said afterwards,
you know, he's had a hard time

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seeing this was in the in the
second round that that occurred. No,

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actually that was at the end of
the first round where the gash was opened

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up. In any event, but
he kept fighting, and you know,

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Schofield. You know, he seems
to have that like warrior spirit to him.

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But the other guy just don't want
to fight because every time he got

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touched and hurt, you know,
he did was resort to fouling. I

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mean, it's it's a very negative, very very hard to watch. And

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frankly, he should have been disqualified. I felt like even before Raoul Cais

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Junior, who was the referee,
did disqualify now, but he had his

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hands fell because the guy was doing
every foul you could think of. Uh,

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you know. But in the end, Schofield won every round and I

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hope you never see Swirrow again.
And by the way, this was not

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something that was a total shock because
he came in with a dirty reputation because

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in his previous fight he had had
two points deductive for biting his opponent.

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So it's not his first bowel fest, if you will. But the schoolfield,

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I guess we credit Schofield for being
able to survive that. Understand that

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this is part of learning, growing, getting experience. You're going to get

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in there occasionally with somebody that's just
a dirty fighter. How do you handle

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it? And there you go.
I thought that Schofield for being only a

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twenty one year old fighter, showed
a lot of maturity to not retaliate,

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to not let it. Like in
his interview, he was like, you

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know, it's cool whatever, it's
boxing. No, you know, nothing,

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no bad feelings or anything like that. So that that will serve him

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well as he as he continues to
climb up the ladder. But that look,

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he's seventeen to oh twelve knockouts also
in the lightweight division. Maybe not

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as ready for a title shots as
Williams ofpata Is from the main event,

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but Schofield, look, he's not
that far away. I mean, you

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know, he's he's already been calling
out certain guys. He's been calling out

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Keyshon Davis. I'm sure you would
fight your cord rped He he's mentioned he's

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a very good prospect, the bordering
on contender at this point. It's going

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to be hard to match him up
with guys because it's at the moment,

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at this moment in time, he
doesn't bring a lot of money, but

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he brings a lot of danger.
Hopefully when they find somebody to fight him

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next, it's somebody that's a little
more of a positive kind of fighter than

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Squerrow who just just was looking for
a way out in the end, he

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just he just didn't want to be
there. And he didn't know how to

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handle Schofield at all. He was
outclassed in terms of the skill, the

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skills, the speed, the power. Every time Scofield touched him and hurt

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him, you could almost see like
he react and like grab or you know,

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try to twist his arm or just
do something dirty. And he took

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a bunch of warnings and you know, and Kyez had his handful, and

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you know, he did the right
thing eventually finally did. He had no

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choice, but off, I mean, you couldn't he letting that shit go

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on the way that it was.
So in the end, it only you

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know, five rounds and over and
out. All right. So that's the

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Golden Boys show in Las Vegas.
I don't want to make mention anything else

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off that car before we rolled.
Yeah, I was just going to make

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a mention of in the in the
opening fight on the show was the professional

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debut the welterweight Joel Erarte, who
was a fighter that Golden Bay signed,

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and it just announced a few days
ago. Obviously they knew this was coming

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up, even if they waited for
the announcement. But he's a twenty year

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old Mexican American from Bakersfield, California, a top top amateur, a seventeen

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time national champion, a Team USA
member, a lot of hype about the

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kid. Made his pro debut against
the south Paw. You know, it

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was three six and two, but
pad experience and was much older than him

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at twenty eight years old. And
actually, you know, it was hung

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in there for a little bit.
But this was what looks to be the

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journey, the beginning of the journey
that could result in, you know,

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a very good career. So it
was good to see him get his feet

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wet in the pros. He got
a knockout, and you know, good

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for him. We'll see, hopefully
we'll see a lot more of him.

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It was a second round knockout and
he barely broke a sweat. He's a

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he's a big guy for that weight
class, and he looked good. You

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know, what can you say?
Well? And also you want to make

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mention off the weekend as we recap
and do the best we can at the

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former WBO and I'm heavyweight Joe Joyce. When last we saw him, he

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was being dispatched. You love that
word. On a second occasion by Zila

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Jang. He was back this weekend. He wins by knockout on the Queensbury

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card. Tell me more about this. So Queensberry Frank Warren had their their

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the sequel to their quote unquote Magnificent
Seven, which was a whole bunch of

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various regional and British and Commonwealth TI
title fights. Not a lot of big

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names necessarily. The biggest name,
if he will, was Joe Joyce,

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who was like third down on the
card, I guess, but it was

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the most significant from the standpoint of
his position as a heavyweight contender. As

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you mentioned, he twice was stopped
in twenty twenty three by Jilly Zang,

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once because his eye got blown up
and he got stopped in around six because

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of that injury, even though he
was losing the fight. But the second

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fight that took place in September was
a much more dominating victory for Zang,

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who stopped him in the third round
on a clean knockout. And this is

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after a lot of build up.
You know, Joe's been undefeated, he's

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been beating everybody. He was before
the Jang first fight. He was coming

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off of a very very brutal knockout
win against Joseph Parker, who, by

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the way, then took the opportunity
to win all those fights in a row,

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including the upsets of Deontay Wilder,
and then of course on the card,

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just as past week, he did
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upset that he scored on that card. So you know, it's sort of

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like the old it doesn't necessarily matter, like the future always is bright if

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you can keep winning after that loss. And Joe did that because he beat

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Wilder and then of course he beat
Jang himself. But Joe made the comeback

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on this card against a British fighter
in cash Ali, you know, as

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a good record, but had never
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only big name, I guess,
you know, if you can consider him

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a big name as David Price a
few years ago. But Joe looked not

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great. He was a lot heavier
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I looked even slower than usual,
like you just maybe the ages getting

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up there all those amateur fights.
He's now thirty years old. He won

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the fight, and he won basically
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knockout in the tenth round, you
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only a ten round fight, so
he did, you know, stop him

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with the right hand as the fight
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But the knockout is what he needed
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And obviously it looks good on the
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and you observe the ten rounds like
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an impressive performance. I don't know
where Joe goes from here. I mean,

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obviously he's still a name, and
he's still got the power. You

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know, we'll see, maybe get
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Saudi Arabia and throw him in with
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the upset like Zangin, you know, you know, and come back and

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score big win. But he's thirty
eight and uh yeah, and there's not

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enough you know, you don't get
younger, and those two there were two

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rough knockouts. Then with that there
was a disappointed was it for a for

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a victory? Was pretty disappointing win. It is a win, but not

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much other than that. All right, So, as we mentioned, Dan

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now goes into conversation mode. You've
been rolling, if I do say so,

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Ostro vob Dez on the previous podcast
him Zoo Before that, Zoo's opponent

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is Keith Thurman from my part of
the world, the Tampa Saint Pete Clearwater

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area. Keith Thurman, who's not
been very active, but he is now

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in this main event, the first
premiere boxing Champion's Amazon pay per view at

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the end of the month. Here
he is the former world welterweight champ with

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our guy Dan Rayfield. Well,
it's my great pleasure to welcome to our

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podcast this week, my man Keith
one time Thurmon, the former unified welterweight

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champion of the world. Keith,
You've got a fight coming up, your

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return to the ring after a bit
of an activity. You're taking on the

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undefeated Tim Zuo and it will be
the kickoff event for PBC on Amazon Prime

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Video March thirtieth, Team Mobile Arena
in Las Vegas. I'll say welcome to

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the show and also welcome back to
the ring. How's everything going. Everything's

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going good, man, long anticipation, you know. We had a simple,

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very nice performance against Mario Barrios,
and then we just ran into another

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political hickup where things weren't happening the
way the you expect them to happen.

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Maybe it was something in the stars. But here we are, twenty twenty

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four in a new year. There's
a celestial ship, the stars are a

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line, and we're back in Vegas. Amazon Prime pay per View got an

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amazing fight lined up for you against
this Australian named Timothy Zoo. Well,

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you may have been out of the
ring for a while, but you have

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not lost your ability to talk on
the mic and get people pumped up for

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it. But you're the one that
brought up Barrios. I was gonna ask

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about that, but I'll start off
with that since you just raised that.

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You know, you look good against
Mario Barrios. You beat him. That

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fight was nearly two year or I
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the time you fight against tim Zoo, it'll be twenty five months. So

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you mentioned about a political hiccup.
Could you just elaborate on that. You

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don't have to go deep into it, but just briefly, like why was

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it such a long layoff? Yeah? I mean, of course, right

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after, right after the fight,
Durwan was back in the walkaway division capable.

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Ready, the world saw my performance. I could have fought against Terrence

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Crawford. I could have fought against
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year, the WBC mandated Dispense fight. So at the beginning of last year

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we were looking forward to getting in
the ring with Aerol Spence Junior. He

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had a hiccup, some another car
accident that they didn't promote too much,

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but a few people heard about it. They kind of try to shove it

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under the rug. He did his
recovery once he was ready to sign a

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contract. He just got out of
the mandate and made the big fight happen

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with Crawford. Now, of course
the fans weren't upset. Everybody understands what

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he was doing. I believe that. You know, he got very lucky

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to buy pass me for so many
years. Anyways, because Thurman wasn't supposed

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to lose to Pakyow Thurman Beach pak
Yao Pakdew was supposed to fight Spence.

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That would have been Thurman Versuspense.
Oh wait, Spence had a rent.

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The problem they never fought, so
they never fought Ugas fights. Pak Yao

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Ugos becomes a champion now you guys
have to watch who Dennis Erga Hugas versus

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Al Spence Junior out there in Dallas, Texas. That should have been Thurman

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Spence right there. So I kind
of I appreciate all what you're saying,

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but there's still other guys you could
have fought. No, I'm just saying.

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I'm just saying on the timeline after
I lost the pack yall, that

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was never supposed to happen. We
easily, we were supposed to get it.

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It was supposed to be Thermanby's packed
out then Thurman Spence. That was

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the biggest next fight lined up for
me in the walk Away Division period.

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I fight Mario Barrios. I'm gonna
get back on that timeline, I fight

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Mario Barrios. I'm ready to fight
Budd Crawford. Bud was saying my name

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for a while, then he stopped. He thought I had I was.

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I had no interest. I just
wanted to get back in the ring.

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I got back in the ring.
I'm ready for Budd. I don't hear

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no phone calls. They were they
mandated Spence. You're acting like I'm supposed

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to go after other guys. They
mandated Spence I'm in a training camp in

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December before his next car accident.
I'm already training for L. Spence Junior.

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I already signed my contract for L. S Fince Junior. Okay,

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boom, New Year twenty twenty three
is actually in in line. We hear

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that Spence is gonna fight, but
so we know I'm out of the picture

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now, So I gotta wait for
the for the next phone call. I

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get a phone call. Okay,
we can get you Ugas. Fine,

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give me Ugas. I never fought
Ugas. Sean thought Ugas. Bence fought

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Ugas. German never fought We got
Pa. Ugas beat pak Yau. German

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lost to pak Yao. This could
have been a relevant fight. This could

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have been my fight last year.
Damn doesn't happen. He fights Mario Barrios,

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loses to Mario Barrios. German already
beat Barrios. You know, so

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I said, I send I s
stan They have Stanley Onis ready for me,

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right, they have Stanley Onis,
which I was I wasn't willing to

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fight, and I thought that was
gonna be my fight when when the network

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came out. So another thing was
after I fought Mario Barrios, Shortly after

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that Fox left PBC. Right,
So you know, now showtime is out

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right. So when I say political
things there, it really is more.

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There are more political variables and at
play outside of just making matchups. When

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I got the list of names of
twenty twenty three, once I knew I

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wasn't fighting Errol Spincher Junior, right, Okay, it was Ugas, Stanley

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Ones and then a lot of fan
favorites, Boots Ennis, I said,

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fine, I'll fight. I'll fight
these guys, you know, but you're

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giving me three names. So how
about you give me one of these two

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and right after I'll give them the
ring with Boots. I got no problem.

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And if I really can't get this
fight, why don't you just call

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up Keith Thurman and say, KOs, all we have for you is Boots

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edis right. Let me ask you, Let me ask you a question.

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Normally I'm answering question. Let me
ask you a question. Okay, I'll

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Hangman calls Keith Tournament and he says, look, look, Champ, we're

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just in a situation. Maybe you
can move up if you want to,

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but at one forty seven, we
can get the only fight we can get

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you. We can get you paid, but just go a number. Two

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point seven done. Let's still have
a number. It doesn't matter all we

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can. We're not gonna be able
to get your three point five. We

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get you two point seven. I
say, we get you two point seven?

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You fight? Whoo's ennis your teeth
tournament? What's the answer? I

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mean, I would think the answer
is yes. The answer is yes there,

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So what do I do? Heal
me a fight? Me took me

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in the game. Are you saying
you said yes to what's Thurman doing on

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the bench? What's Thurman doing on
the bench, Keith, Keith? You

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said yes, and they couldn't deliver
the fight, is what you're saying.

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But well, what I'm saying is
Boots was one of three names. I

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said, give me one of these
two and then give me Boots. You

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know, do I not deserve one
to get back in the ring. You

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gotta keep playing with this timeline.
Give me back in the ring. I'm

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not one who's kepting a lot of
easy fights in my career. Just give

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me a fight, Okay, give
me, give me, give me,

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give me the hot guy. But
the walkway divisions, it is what it

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is. I so I couldn't get
MUGAs I couldn't. I gotta get I

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don't worry about it. Don't worry
about it. You don't have my time.

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Don't worry about it. They won't
shut this off. They won't shut

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this off. So when you understand
that I could be fighting Stanley onus right

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now, to Keith Dunman want to
become the regular champion of the world again,

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I've already done what I've done at
one. Let let Boots collect some

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belts, let them do some things, and then I can always fight Boots.

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I can make come up. Maybe
Thurman can go back down. But

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when I got the phone call,
when I got the phone call to fight

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tim Zo, It's just it did
something. It really it just really felt

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like an opportunity. You know,
you know how Boston is a great opportunity.

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Is it just it just felt like
an opportunity. And that's what That's

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what Keith Thurman is an opportunist.
So I always have been and I always

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will be. Before all that,
why this fight, before all that,

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I get the feeling there was a
lot of frustration for you. And let

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me ask just be to be clear
that the layoff you're coming off of now

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the roughly two years. That was
not like previously where you had some injuries.

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Was there an injury in this two
year period or this was just you

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were ready to go and we were, we were, we were, We

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were seemingly as if certain fights were
gonna happen. Spence, Oh got two

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names that I really thought. I
just want to know if there was injuries

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involved. There was no injury happened. There's no injuries. We as far

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as being inactive, we were more
active than everybody gets me credit for because

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we were in and out of them, out of the gym all twenty twenty

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three, anticipating a fight date.
So we didn't get the fight date.

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We weren't sure if we were going
to get on the showtime timeline. You

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know about the rumors that were happening
about the network ship. Everybody the rumors

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got released. I forgive it was
you or somebody else. You know,

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some of you guys, you already
write up stuff before other people are supposed

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to know about it. And they
put it out there that Al Hayman is

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talking to Amazon Prime. Here we
are on Amazon Prime. Who did they

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call? Who gets to do the
kickoff? Who's kicked off Prime who's kicked

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off PBC opening fights in the past. Uh, correct, PBC on NBC,

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PBC on CBS, PBC on Fox, PBC on ESPN. I'm gonna

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kickoff, man, and we're gonna
do it one more time against Tim Zuo.

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And like I said, Tim Zuo, what you're gonna do. You're

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coming over to my place. You're
coming over to my land, the Red,

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White and Blue. You're coming to
Vegas. Baby, I know you're

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already there training. It's gonna be
different, it's gonna be difficult. What

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I bring to the ring is,
let me ask you about that any of

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the fighters he's ever fought in that
ring before, So you're I will give

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him a challenge greater than mathematically speaking, Keith Thurman is not lesser than the

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fighters he's been up against. So, keeping with my inactivity, Keith,

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you're going up to one hundred and
fifty four pounds. Unfortunately, for different

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reasons related to the sanction body,
it's not for y for Tim Zoo's world

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title. And but you're still fighting
him. Are you at all uh disappointed

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or frustrated that it's not for the
world title. I mean, let's be

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honest, be honest, my man, Keith Thurman, dealing with one more

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political line. You know, I'm
running into more politics during my career.

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All a surprise, Oh what a
surprise, right? Who cares? You

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know? I mean, I'm established, luckily for Keith Thurman, I'm a

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world class, established fighter. And
even though the belts out on the line,

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Tim Zu's undefeated record is right and
in my fine print it states,

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you win this fight, we get
to another championship fight. So what is

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your How many champions are there?
There's only one more champions So that means

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that Keith Thurman, and he's talked
about fighting Charlo as well, So that

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means the winner of this fight has
an opportunity to fight Charlo. There's only

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one or more variable and that's the
winner of this fight fights Terrence Crawford.

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I've heard recently Crawford wants the winner
of this fight. That's very intriguing as

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now we're talking about at this current
date. The winner has to win and

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then new talks can get foot on
the table. But there of what happens

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a March thirtieth for Keith Thurman and
Tim Zu. Doors will open at one

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fifty four, a division I've never
been in doors will just miraculously open and

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big fights will be able to be
made. Theoretically. What excited me the

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most is knowing I can fight Tim
Zu, I can fight Charlo, and

404
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:29,920
in two fights, I can beat
all the world champions and be technically without

405
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,960
the WBO on me. Technically I'd
be the undisputed champion at one fifty four,

406
00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:37,920
making my dreams come true, which
I never got the opportunity to be

407
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:47,759
in that scenario at one forty seven
since Al Spence, who had three swiftly

408
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:49,440
got out of the out of our
comedy. All right, So one is

409
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,640
where you're at now. You're not
going back to Walterait. This is your

410
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,319
new weight class and you're taking on
just keep Thurman belong here. We don't

411
00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:03,799
know I'm the underdog. A lot
of people got doubt in me. Well,

412
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,039
Keith, So I asked you about
that. He's six years younger than

413
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:10,759
you, because he's been in this
weight class for most of his career.

414
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:14,359
He's bigger than you and at least
used to fighting bigger men. He's obviously

415
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,960
been much more active. He's had
four fights since you had your last fight.

416
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:21,559
So why why do you think that
people should look at this and say

417
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:27,039
Keith Thurman can win this fight.
Well, you got no fighting, you

418
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:33,319
got no fight styles, right,
He says he's gonna knock out Keith Dart.

419
00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:37,839
That's very nice to say. Has
anybody ever done that? I think

420
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,400
you've only been on the floor one
time? Am I right about that?

421
00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:45,960
Against pay? I was on the
floor against Pat Alms. I was on

422
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,799
the floor in an untelevised fight.
So I got up and won that fight.

423
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,400
I got up in loss decision to
pack. Okay, you know,

424
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:59,039
so you got a great We all
know you got a great chin. Got

425
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:03,279
a great chin. They say I
can't take a body shot, but every

426
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:06,279
time I get hit and I get
hurt to the body, I take it.

427
00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:08,680
Listen, you you just judged my
memory, Keith. I was there

428
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,440
in Tampa when Luis Colaso doubled you
over with that body shot, and I

429
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:15,799
was actually really super impressed that you
survived that and won that fight. So

430
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:21,559
you can take a shot. But
what I can't take the shot, but

431
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,240
every time they hit me, I've
never been down. Doesn't that mean I

432
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:29,720
can take the shot. So if
you want to understand, you know,

433
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,000
Sean understands Keith Thumman. We were
in the Amateurs together, me, him,

434
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:42,759
We Deontay Wilder, Daniel Jacobs,
Danny Garcia, Ryan Garcia, we

435
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:47,440
were all in the Amateurs together,
right, So they've seen Shawn's really seen

436
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,079
my progression. He knows that I'm
a methodical fighter. They know that I

437
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:53,279
have the capacity to create a game
plan. The game plan that I have

438
00:28:53,440 --> 00:29:00,839
against Tim Zoo okay, and just
defense defense knowing you know, Tim zu

439
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,839
is not He's just a solid guy. He's a move forward pressure fighter.

440
00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:12,559
Is he gonna be a tough fight? He's fought four times in the past

441
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:17,359
four days. If everybody keeps saying
this, he's fought four times in the

442
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:18,680
past four days. I think,
Keith, I think I think it's fair

443
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,519
to say, hold on, if
you fought four times since your last fight,

444
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,400
he's a movie. You've got tea
fights in five years exactly. He's

445
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,079
a moving train. Right. But
come on, baby, I'm like a'll

446
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,880
leand this I'm gonna show you how
great I am. Legends are legends for

447
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:41,759
reasons, not a short season.
And for you to think that Keith Nmant

448
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:48,759
was not and is not one of
the legends of this generation months thirtieth,

449
00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:55,559
Tim Zuo is trying to make a
name months thirtieth teeth Dunmoant is just helping

450
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,000
you remember his that's that. I
understand where you're coming from with that.

451
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,240
So I want to ask you about
that's you then you you talked about his

452
00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:04,640
style of fighting, and I look, you know, besides the activity level,

453
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:08,200
you know, he's beaten some very
reputable opponents, done so against Brian

454
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,720
Mendoza, tough as nails, done
so against a former champion, and Tony

455
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:18,240
Harrison had had a performance against He
didn't knock out man gonna knock me out?

456
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,480
Well, I'm not saying he's an
knock you out. I'm just asking

457
00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:23,920
for your take on his on his
No, I'm asking the question in the

458
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:27,279
general terms. You know what I'm
saying, How's he gonna knock me out?

459
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:32,680
He didn't knock out Mendoza. Mendoza
had some footwork, he didn't have

460
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:37,920
seat Thomas footwork. He didn't have
to seat Thurman's hands speed. You don't

461
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,759
have seat Thurnaman's I Q. That's
why I have confidence in what I do.

462
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:45,799
And you're not worried. You're not
worried about the rest of the of

463
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:49,839
the layoff at all. Doesn't sound
like it. I'm way more active than

464
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:56,519
inactive, that's what That's what you
guys have not seen. The inactivity just

465
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:00,319
means Keith Thurman has not been on
TV. I haven't. From a stectator's

466
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:04,559
side, they're saying, I haven't
seen Keith Thurman. Keith Thurman, there's

467
00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:07,680
no way he can be ready for
this fight. So have you really you

468
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,200
really? I am Keith Thurman and
I beg to differ, and that's why

469
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,359
I've signed this fight. Have you, then, in your time away from

470
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,680
the actual ring, not the jim, have you really missed the competition of

471
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,880
boxing, not being under the lights, not being in a big promotion.

472
00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:29,160
Yeah, I mean it's actually somewhat
annoying, but uh, at the end

473
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,960
of the day, you know,
I've always been a man of faith,

474
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:38,039
and we've seen fighters have miraculous second
legs of their career. And that's why

475
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:45,519
I'm moving up to fifty four.
Is this Thurman versus Tim Zuo, the

476
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:51,599
Thurman versus Charlo in two fights,
I can blow through this whole division and

477
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,160
re establish myself as a Hall of
Famer when I'm already a Hall of Famer.

478
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,200
Okay, we're just gonna We're just
gonna have more facts. We're just

479
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,599
gonna have more to say about it
was all said and done many Patill defeated

480
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,480
me at the age of forty.
For you guys to just say that it's

481
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:13,119
over, it's not your job to
say is over. It's my job to

482
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,119
say is over. It's my job
to put on a lack luster performance.

483
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:21,480
And let's be real, have I
ever done that? No, listen,

484
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,559
I mean, Keith, even when
you lost to Manny, it wasn't like

485
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:25,359
you fought badly or anything like that. It was a competitive fight obviously.

486
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:30,880
Well, I'll look back though,
in the say, the twenty sixteen twenty

487
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:35,079
seventeen time frame, you know you
had fought in back to back fights Danny

488
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:37,400
Garcia and Sean Porter. You unified
the titles. Those are huge victories.

489
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,039
Big fights you had also had,
Like I mentioned before, you had the

490
00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:45,720
victory against Colaso you kicked off the
PBC on NBC I think was the first

491
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:50,759
ever PBC card of any kind,
beat Robert Guerrero and at that time and

492
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,920
all I covered all those fights.
I'm like, you know, Keith Thurman,

493
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,640
he's on that Hall of Fame path, He's not there yet. Obviously,

494
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,319
but it's on the trajectory with the
types of guys you were beating,

495
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:02,880
winning all the belts that you had
won, and then without without a you

496
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,839
know, like I said, two
fights in five years, it kind of

497
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:08,680
kind of goes off the rails a
little bit. And so for those of

498
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,119
us who covered your career with thought, wow, this is a tremendous fighter

499
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,240
that maybe there's still time to make
up for it because I can said,

500
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,160
you're only thirty five, not taking
a huge amount of damage. But maybe

501
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,079
do you feel like, because of
the long layoffs, that maybe you've underachieved

502
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:28,200
to this point a little bit?
I mean, yeah, have my career

503
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,599
gone the way that I've wanted to
go? No? Did I expect all

504
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:36,920
this to manifest? No? You
know, has the sport of boxing humble

505
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:45,319
me? Yes? You know,
if I keep telling the story is just

506
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:49,359
the one that you said. Do
I feel like I've done enough? No?

507
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,480
You know, so I'm here.
I'm here to continue. You know,

508
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,920
I had a lot of prime years
were inactive, and you know,

509
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:07,759
but as a man of faith,
I'm just hoping that there's something out here

510
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:13,599
in the world, in the universe
that's still an unknown variable that God wants

511
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:17,880
me to see and He's given me
an opportunity right now to show the world

512
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,480
that you know that you're great.
You know, Derman, you're great,

513
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:28,719
and remind the world of your greatness. Yes, yes you've been out,

514
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,480
Yes I've challenged you. Yes I
put you through trials and tribulations. But

515
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:40,320
what great human being on this planet
has does not have their story? This

516
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,239
is just keep Therman's story. Don't
worry. I'll write a book you can

517
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,760
read all about it one day.
Okay, we won't, We won't keep

518
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,719
the politically correct. I'll put all
the I'll put all the dirty secrets in

519
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,920
there. Okay, I'll write a
book all about it for you one day.

520
00:34:54,079 --> 00:35:00,440
Okay. Right now, the story
still continues, to story still continues,

521
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:08,800
and they and I'm excited, I'm
I'm happy. I'm joyful to get

522
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:14,880
that in the ring, to get
that in the lime light, and to

523
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,360
show the world keep one time,
Derman. You know the thing about boxing

524
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,079
is we both know this. You're
only as good as your last fight.

525
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,840
Otherwise you want to be talking the
way you're talking to people like now,

526
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,400
right, you're always good as your
last fight. My last fight was too

527
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,360
long ago, right, so this
moment, right here in March thirtieth,

528
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:37,320
I just have to remind you who
Keith Thurmant is, what he brings to

529
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:43,039
the world, boxing why he was
great that in twenty sixteen, and why

530
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:47,400
he still is great today. Not
a mythical creature, but a living legend

531
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:53,440
in action, ready for the world
at all times. The stars are in

532
00:35:53,440 --> 00:36:00,159
the alignment twenty twenty four. I
patiently waited, and the blessings are coming

533
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:07,880
upon me, and all I have
to do is hit this man one time

534
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:15,400
for the one time, to remind
you about one time Keith Thurnament and get

535
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,400
that excitement back. Let's let's let's
look over it right now real quick.

536
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:25,760
March thirty third, Hell on to
say, Keith Thurman not South ten Zoo

537
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:34,440
one fifty four? What are you
gonna do? Who's next? Who's next?

538
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:40,000
You guy'sn't gonna see like Muhammad al
RII I'm gonna show you how great

539
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:45,480
I am. Don't count me out. You can never count this man out.

540
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:49,320
Well, you made your case,
I'll say that. And so I'll

541
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,039
just wrap up with this. If
you need a ghostwriter for your book,

542
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:54,559
hit me up to help you out
with the writing part of it and I

543
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:58,159
wish you nothing but the best of
luck. On Mark thirtyth I'm looking forward

544
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:00,480
to your return. I've always been
a fan of Keith Thurman to watch them

545
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:01,920
do his thing. We just haven't
had the chance to see it enough,

546
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,239
I know. But it's it's just
coming back, man. I'm gonna give

547
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,079
you guys the most that I can, whether that's the next two years,

548
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:15,480
three years, or if like Floyd
and Manipac yao, I got five more.

549
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:17,480
If I could do this to thirty
eight, thirty nine, forty years

550
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:21,960
old. We don't know. There's
a lot of question marks. It's great,

551
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:24,880
it's great to not know in the
life. The problem is we really

552
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,480
all don't know nothing. We just
pretend like we do. We pretend like

553
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:32,559
we do. I don't know.
Maybe I will get knocked out by Tim

554
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:37,360
Zeu. Tell me watch, tell
me tune in. No matter what,

555
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,320
I promise you, it's gonna be
a wonderful night of Boston like it always

556
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,480
has been when you see your man
keep on top Thurman before well said Keith.

557
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:46,559
All I can say there is thank
you very much for your time,

558
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:49,320
and like I said, I wish
your best of luck in the fight.

559
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,000
Thank you man, you bet again. I have said to you I have

560
00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:58,880
much love for my Tampa Bay Brethren, of which Keith Thurman is one.

561
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,840
But the truth is he's fought one
time in about four and a half year.

562
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaking of one time, he's fought
one time. So you got to

563
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,679
see nickname, Yeah, I know
it's his nickname. You got to see

564
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,599
him on the hookup one time.
Can definitely talk. We heard that.

565
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,360
What everybody wants to know is does
he have anything at all here in terms

566
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,760
of timing and the ability to fight. We don't know. All right,

567
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:22,119
wrap it up there on the conversation
with Thurman. Listen, he makes you

568
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:25,239
a believer because he does talk.
You know he has. If he was

569
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,320
in the WWE, the way he
talks, he would do well there because

570
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,000
he can really bring it in.
The matter is how much is it going

571
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:37,119
to make you believe? Because the
inactivity is rough. He's fighting a guy

572
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:39,440
that's active. He's fighting a guy
that's a good puncher. He's fighting guy

573
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,400
that's filled with confidence that's been beating
some pretty decent guys, whether it's Tony

574
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,159
Harrison or Brian Mendoza. No,
he's not beating like bums or anything like

575
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:52,039
that you know, and he's looked
pretty good Terrell Gashet, I mean Olympian

576
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:55,519
and Keith is also moving up in
wait. Keith talks a great game.

577
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,719
He's only got one loss in his
career that was against a legend and many

578
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,079
patter which cost him his welterweight title
a couple of years ago, a few

579
00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:07,119
years ago. Uh. I mean, for obvious reasons, Zoo's the favorite.

580
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,599
But Keith when you when you when
I heard him speak and saw him

581
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:14,559
speak, he does make you believe
that he can do it, which is

582
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:19,159
part of selling an event like they've
got to do because this is a seventy

583
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:22,519
five dollars pay per view. Uh. And we'll see what they can do

584
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:24,119
with it. But one thing about
Keith Thurman, whatever you think about his

585
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:29,800
chances are in this fight, I'm
pretty confident we'll be entertaining because I've watched

586
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,559
plenty of Keith Thurman's right, I've
been watching Keith pretty much his whole career.

587
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,400
He makes fun fights and Tim Zoo
was also in an entertaining, engaging

588
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,079
fighter also, So from that standpoint, I do think the main event will

589
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:42,599
be, you know, a good
fight to watch. That to me is

590
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,920
always the first and foremost thing about
it. And you know, whether Keith

591
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,159
can do it, we'll see.
And again that's not this coming weekend,

592
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:52,760
but the following weekend as we released
this recap podcast More marks thirty. Let's

593
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:59,880
use the date March third, that's
correct for Zoo Thurman in Vegas. A

594
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,519
some news and then some nostalgia.
Can't wait to get the nostalgia, Rayfield,

595
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:12,679
Jack Catterall, Josh Taylor delayed again. I'm over this. The cell

596
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,679
by gate was like two years ago
and it's delayed again quickly. I don't

597
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,960
know if I could say two years
ago. And I think though bite on

598
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,920
my count, I think this is
the fourth time it's been postponed and or

599
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,159
canceled. Because when they were after
the first fight, they tried to make

600
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:31,039
the rematch and for different reasons it
was postponed. There was issues logistically with

601
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:36,360
their broadcaster in the UK. I
think there was a COVID situation. Then

602
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:42,280
Taylor had the foot injury, which
after multiple postponements, a WBO got tired

603
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,239
of it and said, you know, forget it, We're gonna order.

604
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,960
We're gonna order you to do the
the the mandatory against Tafimo Lopez, which

605
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,360
is then the next fight. Then
of course he lost Catterall. Meanwhile switches

606
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,480
promoters and puts in you know,
gets two wins, but their stink bomb

607
00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:59,840
fights. And so now you got
these two guys who don't really have anywhere

608
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:04,079
to go except to finally put this
fight back together, which they've done.

609
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,920
It was supposed to take place April
twenty seventh, at long Last, and

610
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:14,920
like clockwork announced on Thursday, you
had the revelation that Josh Taylor had had

611
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,599
a minor eye procedure, was not
going to be ready in time. He

612
00:41:16,639 --> 00:41:20,639
needed a little more time off.
He can still train, but he couldn't

613
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:22,320
spar the way he wanted to,
and so, you know, and he

614
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,280
posted that on his social media.
You know, originally it was like a

615
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,119
big seeker, like what's the injury? And I actually posted that it was

616
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:30,960
an eye injury, and then like
a couple hours later he put up on

617
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:35,920
social media that he had this procedure. The good news is, though it

618
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,599
doesn't seem like it's very serious,
you know, good for Josh. Obviously,

619
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:39,880
we don't want to see him have
a problem with his eye and be

620
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,119
injured. But because the fight was
originally April twenty seventh when they postponed the

621
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,280
fight. They also at that time
announced a new dates. So we'll move

622
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,440
for April twenty seventh to May twenty
fifth. It will still be in the

623
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,840
same arena in Leeds, England,
and nothing else changes. It's still ESPN

624
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,760
plus in the United States, it's
still the zone around the rest of the

625
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:06,159
world, and you know, theoretically
we'll see it. It's delayed again.

626
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:10,480
It is bit man. I tell
you, it was a very entertaining undisputed

627
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:15,679
title defense, but again that was
two years ago. By the way,

628
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,920
I take major disagreement with that.
I didn't think he was very entertaining.

629
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,440
I thought the fight stunk out loud
in the back of that he knocked Taylor

630
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:27,239
down in his home city of Glasgow. He hadn't even The only thing that

631
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,440
was dramatic was the scoring that drove
everybody wild. It just tell me that

632
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:37,599
we're gonna do this before twenty twenty
seven. Okay, we'll see Taylor Taylor

633
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:43,760
Catterall. All right, Canelo Alvarez
Heimimongia official. Real quick. They're gonna

634
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,320
meet with the media Tuesday. You're
gonna have more on your sub stack.

635
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:49,000
We're gonna talk more about this.
We're gonna get to see him, hear

636
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:52,679
him talk, talk a good game, et cetera. Coming on Tuesday.

637
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,119
Right. Yeah, They're gonna have
only one press conference. It's not a

638
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:59,840
multi city press conference, partly because
the fight got made a little bit later

639
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,599
than I think maybe that everybody hoped
for, so there won't be like typically

640
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:05,320
would do New York and Los Angeles
like they did for you know, for

641
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,840
example with recently Tank Davis and Ryan
Garcia. In this case, they're just

642
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,880
going to meet the media close to
the to the public. Unfortunately, it's

643
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,920
always spicy and more fun when the
when the fans get to be in there

644
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,599
and foot and holler and everything.
In any event, they'll meet Tuesday in

645
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:22,159
Beverly Hills, California. They'll do
a thousand interviews, they'll talk all the

646
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:24,199
things they want to talk about.
What I did find interesting is when the

647
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:28,679
when the promotion put out, like
the formal pres announcement, because remember when

648
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:31,000
the fight was announced, it was
just the boxers and everybody putting it up

649
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,239
on their social media. There was
no like official press release or ticket information

650
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,880
or anything like that. But the
tickets have gone on sale and then their

651
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,760
a formal release. They put out
quotes from the two fighters and from their

652
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,679
teams, and I found it interesting
that in the comments that Canelo were,

653
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,639
you know, that were attributed to
Canelo in the in the press announcement was

654
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:52,360
about how much he was proud and
excited to be fighting you know, another

655
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:57,159
top Mexican opponent. That Mexico versus
Mexico is such a huge deal. Meanwhile,

656
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,599
like a month earlier, he's telling
everybody like he really didn't want to

657
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:02,000
fight mex He preferred not to,
but now he is. But look,

658
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,159
in the end, these guys are
gonna put on a fun, exciting fight,

659
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,920
no doubt in my mind it'll be
a good fight however goes. You

660
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,000
know, I'm excited for it.
And again, as we keep saying about

661
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,039
this, Mongia is there to not
only throw big bombs, but he gets

662
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:19,360
hit. So yeah, there's not
a lot of mystery on that, and

663
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,000
we're anxious to see how is he
gonna do against the legend Canelos So presser

664
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:25,679
coming up, one more noteed,
then we are ready to go with some

665
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,880
serious nostalgia. Stand by here with
anniversaries for this weekend, and that is

666
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,559
Golden Boy has got a card.
Like you've been mentioning about the date April

667
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:37,800
twenty seventh, coming at the end
of April. They've got a card also

668
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,960
for April twenty seventh, and you've
learned more Virgil Ortiz to be on the

669
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,079
card, but also Jose Ramirez on
this card, and you've learned more about

670
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:49,000
the opponent real quick, right,
So they're gonna, they're gonna. It's

671
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,960
not been announced yet. I'm assuming
that we'll get done probably next week maybe

672
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:55,000
or soon after when they get everything
squared away in terms of opponents for everybody.

673
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,880
But the plan is of his own
card April twenty seventh. Of course,

674
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,599
Jose Ramirez. This will be his
first fight since having become free agent

675
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:06,559
from Top Rank and signing with Golden
Boy. They're going to do it to

676
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:09,760
the Save Marts Center, which is
in Ramirez's backyard. He's not from Fresno,

677
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,280
He's from Avanel, which is like
a suburb of that or you know,

678
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,760
just outside Save Mart Center. He
has packed that place numerous times in

679
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,079
his career. You know, I've
got a chance to cover one of his

680
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:22,199
fights there and it was a pretty
big crowd. So they're going to do

681
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,079
that there and again the opponents are
not set yet, but I am told

682
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,840
that the opponent for Ramirez will in
fact be the former two division world title

683
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,199
holder Rancis Parthelomei, who's been fighting
at Junior walter right now for the last

684
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:37,000
few years, since twenty seventeen,
primarily, and that's that's going to be

685
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:39,679
the opponent for that fight. He's
a PBC fighter still, he's not left

686
00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:43,800
PBC, but they're they're obviously able
to make a fight where they can,

687
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:46,360
you know, book one of their
guys into an opposing promoters deal, you

688
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,599
know, one of their events,
and so that's good to see them be

689
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:52,840
able to work together. I'm not
sure I love the matchup, but it

690
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:53,960
is what it is. It's not
you know, I've there's worst fights.

691
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,119
I know. Sergeate Lipinet's was one
of the possible opponents, but that will

692
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:00,760
not be the opponent I'm told for
this Ramire assignment. And he'll get back

693
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,920
in the ring and we'll see if
he can win this fight and move on

694
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,840
to something, you know, bigger. What what drives me a little crazy

695
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,559
is that he's fighting a fight in
savemart Center, probably against Ramsis Parthelomy,

696
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:14,960
when he could have had the opportunity
to fight tiafim Lopis for the world title.

697
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:16,960
We went over it, we went
over it, and again, we

698
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,199
can't run these guys careers. But
why would you turn down a title fight,

699
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:24,599
you know, squabbling over whatever he
was squabbling over. And by the

700
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:27,760
way, not just a title fight, but a title fight for two billion

701
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,159
dollars plus, and the you end
up with this in a non title fight

702
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:37,280
that's worth nothing close to that.
It can't be all right, I'm excited

703
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,000
to see Virgil Ortis back in the
ring. Also, you know, he

704
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:40,280
just had to live earlier this year, so he's going to be active,

705
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,800
thankfully. Let's keep him healthy,
let's keep him acting. Great stuff here

706
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:51,119
on the news, all right,
So some nostalgia and then let's wrap it

707
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:57,119
up. My goodness, what a
start to the decade of the nineties where

708
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:00,840
we had the Buster Douglas Mike Tyson
upset in February of nineteen ninety and then

709
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:07,840
on March seventeen, nineteen ninety.
To this day, thirty four years later,

710
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:14,199
the controversy still goes on on should
Richard Steel have stopped the Julio Cesar

711
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,519
Chavez dramatic TKO win over Meldrick Taylor
with just a scant two or three seconds

712
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:21,880
left in the fight. Oh,
hold on, what do you mean a

713
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,280
scant two or three? You don't
know how many seconds were left? Was

714
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,440
it two and a half? Was
it two? It was special time two

715
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:32,639
seconds two fifty eight of the twelve. He's waving his hands when Meldrick Taylor

716
00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:37,719
has gotten up off the canvas and
the fight is stopped. And a fight

717
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,039
that Chavez is gonna lose, even
if it's a ten eight round, He's

718
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:46,000
gonna lose. The decision dramatics with
the nostalgia Dan Rayfield, and here we

719
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:50,679
are thirty four years later and it's
still disputed what went on that night in

720
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,280
Las Vegas. If you say to
a boxing fan two seconds, they should

721
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,320
know what you're talking about. Period. And by the way, he was

722
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,760
going to win that fight Meldrick if
the fight goes and this gets kind of

723
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:05,880
lost in the in the debate about
the fight and the controversy of the stoppage

724
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,639
or whatever, is that two judges
had Meldic way ahead in the fight,

725
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:15,159
but Chuck Jiampa actually had Chavas up
one oh five, one oh four,

726
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:17,199
which is wow, one of the
most grotesque scorecards. You could ever imagine.

727
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:21,280
I've watched this fight a million times. Don't give a fuck. You

728
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,639
can't have job As winning the fight
at that point. Now, he was

729
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:25,760
definitely coming on in the in the
last few rounds, because he was starting

730
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,320
to beat up on Melgic, but
he certainly had been, in my opinion,

731
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,760
way way behind. It wasn't really
even close. But again, not

732
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,760
only was it, I would say, well, I don't even think this

733
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,800
is a controversial statement. It's the
most controversial stoppage in the history of boxing.

734
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:45,400
Number one, period, number two. The fight, as you mentioned,

735
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,400
took place in March of nineteen ninety. He still got the rest of

736
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,960
the decade. Most people picked it
as the nineteen nineties fight of the decade,

737
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,639
so they were able to go through
another. You know, we joked

738
00:48:54,639 --> 00:49:00,800
about that most ten full years and
seven teen more months. We talked about

739
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:05,320
it one hundred and seventeen more months
in the decade, and this one stood

740
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,559
the test. It was an awesome
fight. It was you know, not

741
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:09,760
that this is a shaker. You
know, Ring Magazine picked it as the

742
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,679
fight of the year in nineteen ninety
and then everything you want. I mean,

743
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,639
first of all, I would say
to anybody, if you've never watched

744
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:17,280
a fight, go find it on
YouTube or whatever. But also do yourself

745
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:22,639
a favor and go on your trust
to YouTube and look up the wonderful thirty

746
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:25,800
minute documentary that HBO did about it
during their legendary night Stares, because they

747
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,480
televised this fight live. Obviously,
if this fight like this took place today

748
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:34,920
an eighty dollars pay per view.
Meldich Taylor was the was the IBF world

749
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,559
champion one hundred and forty pounds.
They called the fight thunder and Lightning because

750
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:43,079
of his incredible speed and quickness and
you know, blazing half fast hands and

751
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,920
Thunder of course was the Chavez part
of the equation because he was just this

752
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,639
big puncher, you know, march
you down, tear you up, and

753
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,440
just bang you around. They just
just just a phenomenal match of everything you

754
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:59,320
would want in that kind of,
you know, pairing of the totally opposite

755
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,320
styles. He's the Mexican hero.
Meldric's the gold medal winner from the nineteen

756
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,599
eighty four Olympics, the youngest member
of the team. He was seventeen years

757
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:07,880
old when he won the gold medal. Had you know made a lot of

758
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,639
entertaining TV fights. Chavez, by
the way, going into the fight sixty

759
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:16,639
eight in Oh, I mean for
real, I mean obviously that's big time

760
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,480
and he's defending his title. They're
doing the fight in Las Vegas. You

761
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:22,800
have Melgic Taylor, who was twenty
four oh to one. He did have

762
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,480
a draw, but this was as
big as a guess in the sport and

763
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:29,639
HBO put it on. It was
a one fight card. They didn't have

764
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:31,639
an undercard fight. It was just
a one fight at the Las Vegas Hilton

765
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:37,480
and Melgic Taylor was taken Chavez to
the woodshed. He was out boxing him,

766
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:38,519
he was outspeeding him. He was
beating him to the punch the all

767
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:44,760
fight, but Chavis was extracting his
punishment, beating him to the body,

768
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:47,960
ripping him up, you know,
card clean shots and bang bang bang,

769
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,360
and even though Meldric was landing probably
more punches, you know, Chavez was

770
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,960
doing a lot of damage. And
you know it started to take a sol

771
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,679
and he finally dropped him and of
course the famous scene where he knocks him

772
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:01,559
down in round twelve. He gets
up, he's a little discombilate. He

773
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:06,159
looks to the corner where he sees
one of his cornermen, Lou Duva,

774
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,800
and Richard Steele does not get the
response that he wants and he waves the

775
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,760
fight off, even though in those
days in Las Vegas they had the red

776
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:15,280
light behind the corner post. Though
the red light was going off, Richard

777
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,920
Steele, a very experienced championship level
referee, knows that there's less than ten

778
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,760
seconds left. Chavez is on the
other side of the ring in the neutral

779
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:30,000
corner, so you know, by
the time Richard's going to administer the mandatory

780
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:34,559
eight count, he's gonna maybe wipe
off the gloves or do whatever he's gotta

781
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:37,480
do. He's gonna wave them back
together. It's gonna take a couple of

782
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,880
seconds to get across the ring.
The fight's gonna probably end. I think

783
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:45,400
it's however, you whatever you think
the results should have been. I think

784
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,239
that if you just do it without
emotion, there was very, very very

785
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,920
likely chance that, no matter under
any circumstances, was another punch going to

786
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:58,639
be thrown in that fight. Sily
highly unlikely that he's gonna land one,

787
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:01,360
because there's less than ten secs and
he's going through the process of the eight

788
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:07,000
count and having to bring them back
together. I go back and forth about

789
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:13,039
the stoppage. I think I can't
I can't argue with with Richard Steele because

790
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:16,360
on the on his point of view
is this, I don't actually know exactly

791
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,719
how many seconds are left. Yes, I probably no, intellectually there's less

792
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,239
than ten. But as he said
in the documentary that I referenced that HBO

793
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:28,320
produced, when I see a man
that's taken enough bang and bang and bang,

794
00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:31,039
I'm stopping the fight because no boxing
match is worth the man's health.

795
00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:36,440
So from that standpoint, clearly we
should we should elaborate on this. Clearly,

796
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,000
Meldrick Taylor in the last two or
three rounds face very swollen, bloody.

797
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:45,079
Nos Now here's the knockdown, and
he's looking at Steel for a second

798
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:49,360
with a glassy eyed look, and
then he clearly on the video does look

799
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,679
to the side away from Steel,
and that's because lou Duva, for whatever

800
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,480
reasons, we're trying to get up
on the ring apron like he thought the

801
00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:00,199
fight was over, and that's where
Meldrick is either distracted, doesn't he or

802
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:06,840
Steel doesn't respond, and it helped
with the stoppage of the fight. And

803
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,440
I do remember I brought this up
to you before. There had been some

804
00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:12,760
talk. It never went anywhere,
but there had been some talk that there

805
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,039
would maybe be a new policy or
a new rule put into place that if

806
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a fighter went down in the final
ten seconds of a round and was taking

807
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,079
the mandatory eight count and got up, that the referee was not allowed to

808
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:30,679
stop the fight because he had essentially
gotten to the end of the twelfth round.

809
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,079
It never went anywhere, it never
got passed, but I remember it

810
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:37,840
was it was being debated. This
was so hotly debated for weeks, for

811
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,480
weeks, about years it was.
I mean it was around that time.

812
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:45,480
I mean, you have to again
convey to people. Boxing was so much

813
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:50,559
more mainstream on network TV. These
guys were very well known. Meldrick Taylor

814
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:55,159
fought on national TV, regular free
TV frequently before the Chavez had fight,

815
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:00,000
had fought on network TV several times. So they became much more what a

816
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:05,440
novel concept, They became more mainstream
where the basketball fans and the football fans

817
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,840
know who these guys are. Not
only had Meldriic fought as professional as professional

818
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:15,840
fights on network TV and world title
fights, he was known because ABC back

819
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,679
in those days, they didn't just
they showed the Olympics, and they also

820
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:23,280
showed trials and international tournaments. So
Melgic had been on in his amateur days

821
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:30,079
on the networks as well. And
so again you have the most glory,

822
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:32,159
I mean from the point of view
of the Chavez people, who are largely

823
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,840
the crowd in a big Mexican crowd
there at the health and this is one

824
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,639
of the greatest comebacks snatching you know, uh, you know, the victory

825
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:45,519
when everybody thoughts you got no shot, and it's a glorious, glorious comeback

826
00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:49,119
win. And it really whatever the
popularity level that chav has had going into

827
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:51,679
that fight, this sent him to
the moon, to send him to like

828
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,159
became the biggest star in Mexican boxing, you know, it was he was

829
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,280
a lot of people had him pound
for pound and he just kept ripping off

830
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,880
defense after defense. But this was
the first really big win of his career.

831
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And for Meldrick it was the opposite. It was like, you know,

832
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,480
the most debilitating kind of loss.
A lot of people will tell you

833
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,440
that Meldrick was never the same after
that. He did end up winning another

834
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:15,360
world title after this situation, but
he was pretty much done. He got

835
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,119
beat up by Chavez Eventually when they
did the rematch, when you know,

836
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:22,559
Don King was now promoting Meldrick he
had parted with with UH with main Events,

837
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:23,360
and uh, you know, they
figured, you know what, we

838
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,760
can put chab Is in an easy
fight people want to see, and he's

839
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,639
gonna beat him up again, and
it's pretty much what he did. And

840
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,480
uh and there was that. But
this first fight, though, you know,

841
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:35,679
there's so many things to talk about
on the fight now. Just as

842
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,719
one example, a couple of years
ago, UH the Ring magazine, when

843
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:42,360
they were still doing their print magazine, they did a Chavez special edition.

844
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:45,039
You know, it was all about
Chavez his career and uh I was asked

845
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:49,679
to do a piece for that magazine. It was added several aspects of his

846
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,360
career, but one of the stories
in the in the in the mag was

847
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,239
a piece about the Meldrick Taylor first
fight. Obviously, how do you do

848
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,840
a piece, how do you do
a magazine about chav Is his career and

849
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,320
not include a separate article about this
incredibly famous fight. So I wrote that

850
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:07,360
piece. But in researching that and
talking to some of the people involved and

851
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,519
hearing sort of a fresh take and
things I'd never heard before. I talked

852
00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:13,960
to Shelley Finkel, who was the
manager for Meldrick Taylor. I talked to

853
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:17,280
Ronnie Shields, one of the great
trainers in boxing, who was an assistant

854
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,320
in a long time part of the
Meldrick camp. He worked with Lou Duva

855
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,400
and Georgie Benton, the guys who
he learned from who were Meldricks the lead

856
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,840
trainers going into that fight for many
of his big fights. And one of

857
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,800
the things I learned in that which
I had never heard, was that Ronnie

858
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:37,280
blamed Lou Duva for the loss because
he said he because he climbed up on

859
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:42,159
the ropes on the ring apron and
inserted himself at the worst possible time.

860
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:47,320
Justice Steele is trying to at the
most important moment of the fight to ascertain

861
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:52,199
whether this guy is okay to go
on. He's looking over at Duva because

862
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,840
Lou climbed up on the on the
ring apron, and he basically called out

863
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,639
Lou Duva and said he cost us
to fight. I'd never heard that before,

864
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:01,880
And if you watch it, you'll
see you don't see Lou there,

865
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:07,039
but you see Meldrik Glance's eye look
over he Steel's right and obviously he's looking

866
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:10,159
at at Douva who's on the ring
apron on the other side of the other

867
00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:16,960
side of the ring. But I
mean, there's a million stories and with

868
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:23,039
this matchup, but the most important
thing is incredible fight, massively controversial.

869
00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:29,519
I mean, just as memory was
against and later. The amazing thing to

870
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:36,360
keep relaying is HBO broadcasted the Douglas
upset of Tyson February ten, nineteen ninety

871
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:42,039
and this was their next edition of
World Championship Boxing right after that. And

872
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:47,760
I dare say that I don't know
that you could have scripted two more iconic,

873
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,599
crazy, well known historical fights than
that. And this was back to

874
00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:58,599
back, back to back in those
consecutive months. If you were subscribing to

875
00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:05,400
HBO, you those fights. I
still remember Larry Merchant's famous quip was if

876
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,119
he gets up, he probably wins, and Meldreg Taylor did get up,

877
00:58:08,159 --> 00:58:13,000
and then Jim Lampley just losing his
mind saying Richard Steal has stopped this fight

878
00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:17,559
with less than five seconds remaining.
It was that crazy, that crazy that

879
00:58:17,719 --> 00:58:22,639
night, no doubt. In March
of nineteen ninety, all right, one

880
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:27,039
more bit of nostalgia before we're out
of here on the weekend, and this

881
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:31,360
is coming on Tuesday, March nineteenth, and this is very nearly twenty years

882
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:37,079
ago now, two thousand and five
Manny Pacquiao and Eric Morales and anniversary of

883
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:42,559
their first fight as well, Dan
Rayphield, This is just an awesome fight.

884
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,760
Underrated actually if you think about it, because Morales and Pacio are identified

885
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:52,760
with other great fights. Pacio in
his Great Fights, a four fight series

886
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:58,599
against Marquez. Eric Morales closely associated
of course with his great trilogy against Marco

887
00:58:58,639 --> 00:59:04,639
Antonio Barrera, and I think kind
of his rivalry with Pakyo, between Morales

888
00:59:04,679 --> 00:59:07,880
and Pacio kind of gets undersold,
a little bit, under remembered, underappreciated.

889
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:13,599
But the first fight, the first
two fights of their trilogy were freaking

890
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:16,239
awesome. Third fight, Pachyo basically
ran him over like a truck. But

891
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,639
the second fight was terrific, but
not as good as the first fight,

892
00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:23,760
which was the best of the trilogy, and it was you got to look

893
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,239
at it. As for Morales,
I mean, knowing what Pakyo would wind

894
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,400
up doing, he beat Pako when
pak Yo before he went on this unbelievable

895
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,920
run where he went up the weight
classes to thirty thirty five, you know,

896
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,440
forty forty seven, even fifty four
where he beat Margarito. Tremendous action

897
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:44,119
fight. It gives me pain to
talk about it because I had just been

898
00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:49,480
hired from USA today to go work
at ESPN. I had started, you

899
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:52,280
know, a couple of weeks earlier, I guess, but the first fight

900
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,000
that I was supposed to travel for
and to go cover at ringside when I

901
00:59:55,039 --> 01:00:00,360
started working at ESPN was was Morales
versus Pacyo number one one. I was

902
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,960
really excited about the fight. Everybody
was thrilled that this fight was made as

903
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,360
an HBO pay per view at MGM
Grand Garden Arena. I got sick and

904
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:08,679
had to cancel my trip and was
not able to travel for that, so

905
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:13,280
I missed. I missed like two
fights in my life that I was supposed

906
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,280
to cover for being sick and just
my luck, one of them was Morales

907
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:21,000
Pakia one and one of them was
Gaddy Ward one. Could you believe that

908
01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:23,960
two of the great fights? So
until I said, I wind up with

909
01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:30,119
my first fight for ESPNB and James
Tony against John Ruiz, which was not

910
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:35,760
that that's slightly less on the Richter
scale than Pakia Morales won Daniel, But

911
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,199
Morales Patio was a great fight.
A fight one of the things I always

912
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:43,079
found kind of surprising. Most people
probably don'tn't realize this. The three fights

913
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:46,039
that Morales and Patio had, believe
it or not, all were in one

914
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:51,400
hundred and thirty pounds way class,
all junior lightweight fights. None of the

915
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,800
three were world title fights. They
were either regional titles or elimination fights.

916
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:58,440
Nobody cares because they put on such
a great show. But for Eric Morales

917
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,480
this was I think it's arguably,
even though he had the victory against Brera,

918
01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:07,400
this is the biggest win of his
Hall of Fame career. Was beating

919
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,280
many Packett in the manner he did. And of course, if you remember

920
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,760
the fight, he turned south paw
in the twelfth round, and as they

921
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,239
were talking on the broadcast, he's
going into the jaws of the line,

922
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,599
like most people kind of think he's
if he doesn't have the fight one,

923
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:23,079
he's certainly putting himself in a chance
to get knocked out. But he put

924
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:25,760
on a great battle. He wasn't
going to take a step back and the

925
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:30,519
classic scene there in the postfight interview
with Larry Merchant asking Hi about making that

926
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:32,079
move and Eric saying, you know, being translated, did you like it?

927
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,800
And Larry telling Eric I loved it, and Eric with a big smile

928
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,840
on his face, I mean there
are a few fighters I can think of.

929
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:42,840
It just had the ultimate zest for
combat. Then Eric Morales and Manny

930
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,719
Paco and they let it all hang
out in this fight in particular. Love

931
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:52,199
it great nostalgia. Man. Another
busy show again, Keith Thurman on the

932
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:58,000
recap pod here getting ready to fight
Tim Zu. What a weekend listen.

933
01:01:58,039 --> 01:02:04,199
I always love your insight on all
things here, including everything that's happened this

934
01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:07,719
weekend, and again we look forward
to everything else in March. That Thurman

935
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:12,639
Zoo fight again, not this coming
weekend, but the following weekend for March

936
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,960
thirtieth on the first ever premiere Boxing
Champions Amazon pay per view. With that,

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01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,880
that's a full show. Dan Rayfield
coming off the weekend, thank you

938
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,880
as always, we appreciate it.
Have a good week my friend, you

939
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:28,039
too, My man, there is
Dan Rayfield. I'm merely TJ Reeves.

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