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we go along. Do we want to jump into this week's episode. Just
just get it out of the way, Tim, Boy, do we I
hate these episodes. This is like a catchup episode to kind of get us
back on track so that we can get a daily in an elimination in one
episode. This is a waste of one and I hated this episode from top
to bottom, left to right. Hated this whole thing and watched it.
It was terrible. This episode is episode three called Us against the World.
Hey, we got a recap, guys, with TJ doing like a voiceover
telling us what happened in the previous episodes. I didn't like that. You
didn't like this? I have in my notes. I actually really like this.
Oh, Zach, you're the tiebreaker. Do you like this or not?
I'm indifferent, Like I got up and walked away while during that part.
Oh well, that doesn't solve the tie chat room. It's up to
you. Do you like this recap or do you not like the recap?
I liked it. I thought it was good, all right, No,
I don't think so. So the first thing we see, sorry, go
ahead, check. So I guess I would have liked it, because you
know, it's like a lot of these people are new to us. We
don't know them, so I guess it would be a good reminder just see
everyone's like names and associations again. Yeah, and kind of just recapped who
you know, what happened in the previous episode. I don't know, I
kind of. I was kind of into. Kat said she liked it.
Chris says he kind of, I don't know, helped him. It was
good. So, yes, it seems like I'm the winner. Wolfe.
The fuck is going on at your house? Tim? I will accept it
written apology. Oh do you hear that squeaking? Yeah? So is there
like a basketball game being played on a squeaky floor behind you? That is?
We got a new hamster for for Sally and oh it's a hamster wheel.
It's a hyper hamster and she's a running on that wheel. Him sorry,
sorry, all right. So we started off this episode with John A
talking to Wes All about the Kelly Ann drama. Oh you mean right where
we left off last episode. Yeah, Hey, believe it or not,
guys, we have forty five minutes of Kelly and drama that we're about to
drop into a friend of the show, Kelly Anne. But West tells John
A that John A should probably keep Kelly and around because she's eerily loyal.
She will stick with John A no matter what. And there really is sort
of like lower like lower hanging fruit that they can sort of take care of
here. So you're saying friend of the Show John A was talking with Friend
of the Shows about Friend of the Show Kelly An. Yes, that sums
it up. Yep, Okay, you're exactly right. Chris wonders what my
hamster's name is? We are ping ponging between Scarlett and Evelyn. Depends on
the day. I think you just named it. What do you name it?
I'm good at that, I guess about you two. But this episode
I became a big Kelly stamp. I think I did too. I liked
that she was like sort of not taking shit. I didn't like that I
could sense her like crazy anxious energy through my TV screen. Yeah, what
was that? So it's one of these things that watching it was very entertaining,
trying to pretend like I'm in the house. I would have killed myself.
Yeah, terrible. She definitely was driving the whole house crazy. You
could sort of tell, I don't know why you seem to thrive when there's
drama going on. I do, which is which is a facetious statement.
I'm just thinking about when we were on the set of Shay's movie and that
one check was like giving you a hard time and you're just what the fuck?
Yeah, I don't have a lot of patience for people that are just
like just drama for the sake of drama. It drives me insane um.
All right, So we get confessionals from John A and Grant and they're both
saying the same thing that Kelly and is loyal, she will lose her shit
if they throw her in, and so like, sort of at this point
in the episode, it seems like they're sort of leaning to not throw her
in. And over the course of this episode, you know, were speaking
of ping pongs. We keep ping pong and back and forth and back and
forth on this thing. But Wes tells John A to throw in Joe,
that Jody is the better bet here. What do you guys think, If
you're John A, what are you? What are you doing? If I'm
jehan Am throwing in Jody? Yeah, I think the same, especially once
I tell Kelly Anne I'm doing it. At that point, like West West
pointed out perfectly, she's a she's like abnormally loyal, so you know,
stick with who's gonna be loyal yep. And the other thing is too Nellie
and who who he are already going in they're Argentinians. The smart thing to
do is thrown in another Argentinian, right in Benja. Yeah, if your
goal is to get rid of the Argentinians, you're throw in two two against
each other. Yeah. Although I do love Fenjas, I was happy he
was safe. I was too. I warmed up on Benja. He's a
he's like a hippie, dippy kind of guy. Uh kind of into him.
I feel like he's like an Argentinian version at Kohota and and Tim,
you're amazing, and Wolfie, you're amazing. And by the way, Tim,
you're amazing. Are you pulling a Benja? Everybody's amazing. Everything's amazing.
So you go use the bathroom and I'll go over here. John Ay
says, to win this game, though, you have to remove your heart.
And she says that Kelly in is a loose cannon. Is Kelly and
loose cannon? Probably probably, but not like at this point if you literally
just do what you literally just said you were gonna do and uh, she'll
be fine. Yeah, And I feel like if you keep her safe and
then you know, a week or two down the line, she goes crazy.
I don't feel like the house is all gook at John Nay and be
like, oh, you have to like, you know, pay for her
craziness. Yeah. I think that's true too. Yeah. Joker says she's
nuts not hot kind of way, which I agree, Joker. I'm like,
oh you crazy. Yeah, I need that in my life. Yeah.
Well, she's she's clearly an anxious per and she like just vibrates with
it. I could just sort of sort of see her like shaking with anxiety
at the time. Like she's like a tightly wound rubber band, you know,
can snap it any second. Yeah, she's the girl that you know
you should avoid, but you just can't help yourself. Yeah, because she's
she's friendly and kind and funny and like there's she's got a lot of really
good qualities. But she's also a little crazy. And the crazy comes out
this episode. Yeah, all right, So Kelly Anne is talking to Tristan.
She's just telling him all about how betrayed she feels, and Tristan at
this point does not really seem sympathetic. He seems more annoyed. And this
is a we'll see this on and on throughout the episode. Most people that
Kelly Anne talks to seem annoyed, And in this case, Tristan just says
like, hey, Kelly, and nothing has happened yet, there's nothing we
need to do. Just just like, just shut up. He didn't say
that, but you could tell that was sort of what he was implying it.
Just like, you gotta let this go for a second, you guys,
just chill out. Did somebody else pick her before? Why did I
have to come in dead last? Yeah, Kelly and just has no chill.
She has no chill setting. There's absolutely no way that she can chill
out here, all right, And so we get a little background guys on
Emily. You guys know who Emily is. I do. She's a player
on the show at Olympian. Yeah, Zach knows. I didn't. ITEM
completely forgot her name. I forgot that she was on the show. And
she is talking about somebody who's not even on the show named Ryan and talking
about their romance. And I really struggle to care about this because I don't
know who Emily is. I don't know who Ryan is. I didn't watch
the season to Challenge, and I have zero interest in this. What about
you guys. I found it interesting that they fell in love on the season
of the Australian Challenge. Yeah, which in my mind just like not that
long ago. But yeah, I watched the Australian season. She was one
of my favorites and so like kind of like she mentioned episode like she came
in already with a boyfriend, so like when she left having like someone else.
But to me, that was kind of amusing. It reminded me of
early day Tory. Oh Tori. Alright, we get Nellie and Whoie.
They're talking, what's that? Fucking Nellie? What's the grunt? This whole
episode. We're gonna get into it in the elimination, but Jesus fucking Christ,
Nellie is terrible and now I feel bad. I haven't done the sound
drop yet for Nellie being Wolfe's favorite. Nellie's great. I fucking love Nellie.
I don't know about that. And in this season he's like, he's
positive, he's laughing with Whoi. He seems like he's a good partner,
he's enjoying himself. I don't know. I just think, I just I
just love Nellie more and more every time he's on the screen out he's already
love with her. They're planning trips Argentina and stuff. So how did he
record this and then go on the reunion and be like, Olivia broke my
heart? Do you think legitimately? Do you think he's making moves on huhui?
Or is he just being a nice, friendly, supportive partner. That's
what I got every time Nellie it makes a move, it's a move.
You think he's you think he's moving in. Of course he is, He's
Nellie. So Cat says in the chat she wished that they had released other
country challenges before this, just so you know, Kat, UK and Australia
have been out for a couple of weeks now, so you can go watch
those. Yeah, I think she's more saying like, maybe not like the
week before this one started, they really should have released him earlier. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I don't know if I ever would have watched the
Argentinian one. I might have watched UK and Australia if they were more like
Space depart Um, but I have no I'm certainly not gonna watch him now,
well all right, Well anyway, and Nellie's what happened to the other
host? Weren't the other hosts supposed to be like more involved with this show?
Or is it just because we're spreading one episode out over two episodes that
we're missing that I thought the host just showed up for that first episode.
I don't think we'll see him again, maybe at the final Wow. See,
seems like I had heard that they were going to be more involved throughout
the season, but I thought the same thing. I thought we'd see them
in each daily challenge. I figured it'd be cool, like at the eliminations
if they had someone from their country there, if they were like they're kind
of as a coach, you know, coaching their their country. Well you
guys drop yeah, or a paramount. All right. So we've been talking
a little bit about Benja. He h is an interesting guy and I think
in this scene he's talking to Jody and he's got to be just super wasted,
right. This is where he tells Jody like, I have a hunch
that we're not going in because life won't put us in that place. And
Jody seems annoyed at this whole interaction she's clearly like trying to get away from
him, and he just keeps kind of re engaging her in like a harmless
way. I mean, I don't think it was you know, I don't
think he was like coming at or anything. But this conversation was super awkward,
right, This is why he just kept telling her over and over,
you're amazing, You're amazing. Yeah, And she didn't ever repeat anything nice
back. She was just like, oh, thank you, okay, as
she's like slowly backing away trying to get away from him. I don't know.
The whole thing was very weird. I love it because eventually she's like,
I'm going to the bathroom. If you watch, he starts to follow
her and then she's like, you're going over there. Yeah. I'm not
sure what's going on here, but this interaction was very strange. I like
Benja but so uncomfortable us. And he does the thing in his confessional that
we see a lot of Challengers do their first season or two. We see
we saw Yes do this where he says he's playing honestly and he will never
go against he will never go against his word. Never. We'll find out
about that. But then we also saw him do the smartest thing you could
ever do on your rookie season, which was to Goho sit under the learning
tree of bananas. Yeah you met. More, go get your hair braided
by John Ay and try to influencer. We'll get to both of those things
about pulling the knife out. You know, we'll get there, Zact.
Don't worry. We'll get to your precious bananas any minute. Here. I
appreciate that. I think that's the only scene he was in. I think
you're right. Yeah. So the next scene, we we have Tory,
And what I don't like about the season is all the legends talking down to
the to the MVPs. It just is like, I don't know, it
just rolls me the wrong way because we have Tory talking to Ben and Danny
Tory, who, by the way, it took her seven seasons to win.
Danny won his very first season. So I'm not sure what wisdom Tori
is trying to expel here, but she's trying to tell them how to play.
No, I think I think she does have some wisdom depart to depart
because Danny again only played one season, and yes he won, but now
he's in the challenge with people who've done the Challenge together for twenty seasons.
Yeah, and there's still a lot to learn about that dynamic versus the dynamic
Danny was in on his season of the Challenge, Well, you are,
you are right about that, but I think that I think that it's not
so important to like get yourself into the fabric of the of the legends in
this game. It's more about sort of understanding that the legends have all these
connections and where you fit inside of all these connections and sort of manipulating that
as you can. Because Danny and his next sort of confessional, he says
that he doesn't trust Tory to put him first because he's seen how she is
with like Jordan and you know, some of the people that Tor is close
to. So he says, like, even though we're partners, I don't
trust her to put me first. I think she's going to prioritize Jordan and
whoever else over me. And he's right, And I think that's what tor
was trying to say in that scene. I think she was trying to sort
of, you know, tell them like, we have these connections and that's
why we operate the way that they that we do, and Danny's just like,
yeah, of course, Like, no shit, I don't have those
connections though, so I'm going to operate differently. At least, I think
I just realized something. Did we have one mention of Kiki this entire episode?
I don't think so. She had a SlowMo shot coming out of the
pool. Oh no, no, no, Danny's key, Oh, Danny's
Kiki. I don't think we did. No. Wow. Maybe even Danny
thinks this is all just one episode. Team together with last week's episode.
Do you think Kinky's at Kiki is at home right now? Saying Danny where
the episode he pulls out the fucking knife points out, I'm like, god,
damn it, were you fucking somebody else? All right? Next scene,
we have Ben and it's like he's hosting a cribs episode of MTV.
We don't see this typically on the challenge where you're talking to the camera.
This is everybody else was sleeping and he's the only one to wake. I
think, like, I'm bored, came here a cameraman. Yep, I
think you're absolutely right, but this is really weird. It's like, I
didn't think they were supposed to talk to the cameraman like this. Yeah,
maybe the producer gave him permission, must have. But we know the Challenge
house is disgusting, it's gross. These people are adults who don't clean up
after themselves. Ben is doing the adult thing and then picking up dishes,
putting them by the sink, and he shows off that if you want dishes
in the Challenge house, you gotta hide them. You gotta hide clean dishes
where nobody else can reach them. Um. No, nice little break from
the Kelly and drama. I guess. So, Tim, if the three
of us were on the challenge, which one of us do you think would
be the cleanest? Probably you, I think you'd be wrong on that one.
But I've also never seen Wolfie's house, so I think it would be
Tim. Just because you're so used to having kids. I think he would
just start subconsciously picking up after people. Oh, I clean up every day.
No, that's that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I think I think
it would just be drilled into your head that you would just do it without
even realizing it. Yeah, well, I think you're right and that,
like, I bet I clean more than both of you, But I bet
my house it's messier than both of your houses probably, but like it's gotta
be like, I understand why though you've got two tornadoes living with you.
Yeah, it's great. My question is if we were living in the house
and you went to get dishes out and all the dishes were gone, would
you just give up or would you actually look in the other cupboards, because
I feel like I would find Ben's hidden stash pretty quickly for sure. Yeah.
It seemed like the only secret that Ben had is that it was on
the highest shelf in sort of the back corners, so you've got to be
sort of on the tall side to see it. But other than that,
yeah, I think I'm not sure how well kept up a secret that stash
was. Personally, THEO found it right away. Oh yeah, THEO.
Yeah, THEO would have definitely fought it all right. So we have Kelly
Anne continuing on her sort of like don't throw me in what was me?
Campaign? This time she talks to Ben at the table and again super awkward
conversation here. I've been Ben before where where somebody's just sort of talking at
you constantly and there's no breaks and all you can do is sort of nod
along quietly and wait for it to end. And I think that's what Ben.
She married to somebody like that? Well, I would never say that,
but I'll agree with it. It's all right, I was married to
somebody like that too, because fans of earlier episodes of the Challenge can attest
it. Oh yeah, hey, listen, I lived that myself with your
wife ex wife. But anyway, I felt for Ben at this moment.
He had no idea what to say or what to do or how to handle
her. He just sort of like laughed awkwardly and tried to wait for the
moment to pass. But you know what could have really helped him in this
moment? I think I have Yeah, yeah, what is it? Would
it be some CBD? I wonder, Wolfie, do you think Ben might
have needed some CBD to calm down during this conversation? Well, from what
I've heard, CBD can help reduce your stress, your anxiety, can help
with pain management and recovery, and it helps you gets better sleep, which
you would definitely need a Challenge House. Yeah, so Ben needs it,
Kelly, and probably definitely needs needs it to release some anxiety. Here.
I think you know a good place to get some no where if you head
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fifteen percent off your order. Oh my gosh, what a deal.
Where do I go to get those? Wolfe pure Spectrum CBD dot Com coupon
code Challenge fifteen percent off your order. That deal sounds more Jody, we're
the worst add people ever yet, cbde you get your CBD oil, use
challenge the code challenge get fifteen percent off, which is a hell of a
deal. I think everybody in the challenge house can definitely use some. I
agree, take some CBD. Don't act like Kelly Anne. All right,
good news, guys. We get a slow mo workout montage. It's the
best. I was very impressed with Durell doing that deadlift. That was pretty
good. He's a strong guy. Uh So, awkward conversations right, Awkward
conversations left and right all over this episode. This conversation might have topped the
charts of awkwardness. We've got Theo, Kaz and Rodrigo. They're all laying
about the pool, but this conversation was particularly uncomfortable because THEO and Kaz are
not talking to each other. They're only talking to Rodrigo about each other and
like sort of pretending like each other aren't there. So Kaz is sort of
like, oh, THEO did this and this and this, and then THEO
would be like, oh, well, Kaz did this and this and this,
and Rodrigo's just sort of nodding quietly during this whole thing. But the
whole conversation was weird. Did you guys get that same impression here? It
was very weird and christ yeah, I find it awkward. But also,
this was a conversation I really didn't care that much about. Yeah, same
Yeah, me neither. Yeah. I don't even have any notes as to
what they were talking about. I know they were talking about their relationship,
but I don't care about it. Let's be real. The conversations on this
episode I didn't really care about. Yeah, same more stuff. I don't
care about Tory sitting on Jordan's back and sort of like moving around like doing
a massage thing. Weird. Didn't we see them sleeping in the same bed
earlier? We sure did. And so they had all that drama on the
last season about they're just like, yeah, we can sleep on the same
it's fine. Yeah. I mean, so you and you you must remember
these days, Wolfe where you dated somebody, like in your twenties or something.
You dated somebody and it was real hard to like get away from them,
and no matter how hard you tried, you just would sort of find
yourself gravitated back to each other. I mean, do you guys, Oh
no, I definitely didn't do that with three different girlfriends in my twenties.
Everybody does it, Zach, did you do this? Yes, for sure.
Yeah, this is the thing people do. So I can sort of
I can sort of relate to this. But Jordan says that Tory and he
have imprinted on each other like werewolves. I don't understand that. I don't
know what that means. I have no idea what the fuck happened. So
that is a Twilight thing. In Twilight, Oh, they imprint on someone.
It's basically like their soulmate and like once stay imprint. No, you
know, no matter what they can try to do, that's like the love
of their life and they have to devote everything to that person. All right,
So Jordan just compared himself to a Twilight movie. Is that what I'm
hearing it did? And in the movie that the adult wear wall friends on
like a four year old girl. Oh my gosh, I just don't know.
I used to like Jordan until just now. You ruined it for me,
Zach. Thank you. We're we're judging you also, Zach, because
you know, for sure, yeah, ridiculous. I might have just rewatched
the entire series like a month ago, exact place where's Carly. Uh,
And Jordan says that they are better than they've ever been since breaking up again.
So weird this really, I can't pretend like I understand this relationship.
But they obviously keep connection and got good for them. But they're weird,
they are. Yeah. Back to Danny, He's he's a wise man.
He's figured out this game, he says, again, it's not country versus
country as we all are thinking it is. It's actually existing relationships between all
the legends, which fucking of course it is. I'm not sure if anybody
else in the house realizes it other than him and the legends, but he's
onto this game for sure. Yeah Dan, Now, yeah, so Zach,
we're into your favorite part of the episode. Benja is there at the
pool side consulting with your man Bananas. You want to recap this conversation for
us here, Zach. Basically, Benja is like, you know, I
have a lot to learn soon. I would like to learn how I can
play this game with class and dignity and without screwing anyone over. And Johnny
said, you can't. You gotta get your knife and don't use it all
the time, but when it's advantageageous, you gotta stick it in some backs.
Yep. Do you guys think it's possible to win the challenge with this?
You know, I'm never gonna screw anybody over. My word is my
bond stuff? Is it? Can you can you win the challenge with that
attitude? I think it's possible, But you have to be very meticulous about
what you say to people throughout the entire season. You can't make open,
open ended promises. You can't be like, I will never say your name,
because there definitely will probably come to a point where you're gonna have to
say somebody's name but you don't want to. Yeah. Yeah, really hard,
But I think it is possible. But you have to be really on
what you tell people from the start. Yeah, I'm trying to think.
I feel like Rell maybe in his early seasons when he won, I could
see him because he's just kind of he's always just been kind of like stay
quiet, perform and don't make like alliances or promises. And I feel like
Landing and Fresh Meet too might have been the same way where Landing didn't really
make any promises anywhe he just kind of played his unclean game. Yeah,
Landing was going to be my example of somebody that can play a clean game
and win it. But you've got to be a Landing. You've got to
be an incredible athletic specimen, and you've got to not be afraid of elimination,
because that's really that's when you start breaking promises, is when you are
you throw in somebody that you like to avoid elimination. If you're really going
to play it honorable, honorably, you've got to toss yourself in there and
fight for it. So yeah, I think it's unlikely to actually win without
sabbing anybody in the back or without lying, But yeah, maybe hypothetically you
could do it, and we'll see. We'll see if somebody does it this
season, it be John A. Johnny is already a liar. Yeah,
So speaking of that, this is where we get the infamous Kelly and John
A talk. This talk actually goes really well. It's but sure, everybody's
really reasonable and logical. John Ay starts by just apologizing. She says,
Kelly Anne, you're my best friend. Of course, I love you,
I want to work with you. I trust you completely. You're an ally.
I want to work with you. I want to be on the same
page with you. I of course will not throw you in good conversation.
What do you guys think? I thought that she was going to keep that
word because when I was watching it, kind of like Kelly Ann said,
I was like, she'll have to be a real sociopath to, you know,
go this overboard with the promises just to turn around and like throw her
in. Yeah, And I guess we'll get there when when she actually does
throw her in. But this seems uncharacteristic of john A to me, to
to lie so blatant. After last episode we saw her not lie, you
know, when she was talking to Kelly and she's like, I don't know
what to do, and you know, she was a little more wishy washy.
This is where she says Kelly, and I am definitely not throwing you
in. You are my friend. I would prioritize that, I don't know,
weird weird conversation considering how the episode ends, Yeah again making promises you
can't keep yep. All right, so we're back to WHOI I think Argentinians
are weird. I think that's what I should said. Okay, I only
know who who he and Benja, but they're both really weird people, right
and then, Uh, I actually work work with an Argentinian guy. His
name's Franco and he's a QA engineer. He's also a weird guy. I
think everyone from Argentina is just a weird person. About what's his name on
the show? Is it Ronaldo or sometimes Rodrigo. Yeah, I think he's
a weird dude too. He's weird too. I don't know. We barely
seen him to talk, but I'm gonna assume he's weird. But this is
where who he says she is a big manifest her and so she is really
trying to manifest Kelly, Anne and Tristan into this elimination. So she is
just going to manifest that up right away, we see, uh, Sarah
and Danny they're talking about this John A, Kelly An stuff. They're trying
to figure out where they fit into this whole deal. Um, the answer
is nowhere. They do not fit into this. They're not involved, unrelated
completely. Okay, So this I'm really interested to hear your guys input on
this. This is where we see Nellie talking to UM to John A and
he basically says like, hey, John Ah, here's what I think we
should do once I see the elimination. If I want Tristan, I'm gonna
put my hair up. If I want Benja, I'm gonna leave my hair
down. And John Ay is pretty okay with this plan. She decides,
and you know, according to her confessional, she says, all right,
this is great because if I let Nellie pick his opponent, that's her sort
of scapegoat. That way she can say to Kelly and well, listen,
Nellie wanted you, and I wanted to give Nellie what he wanted and it's
not personal. Um, it's a great plan if she would have stuck with
it. She doesn't even use it later, Well, she does because Nellie
did put his hair up, which meant Tristan. No. No, what
I'm saying Okay, I mean, we're out there yet, But the aftermath
that's going off on her, she doesn't even say that. She's just like,
I made a decision for what I thought would be best. Yeah.
I also thought that was weird, Yeah, because she said it a couple
times where she's like, oh, this is great, I'll just blame Nellie,
And then she didn't blame Nellie, which is weird. And even then
I didn't think that was a great idea because you know, like when they
kind of made their pack, you know, to keep Kelly and safe,
it was all on the foundation of friendships of them. Even if you win
Nellie, you're like, oh, so you know, Nelly's desires mean more
to you than my friendship does. Yeah, but at least it's a reason,
you know, because and we're not there yet. But after this,
it's you know, when Kelly An says, Johnny, why did you do
it? Johnny just says, like, oh, lots of reasons, and
it's like very ambiguous and weird, and it's not a real answer. At
least the Nelly thing is like here's why. You know. It might not
be a fully answer or even a true answer, but at least it's something
so I don't know. I thought it was weird. I think John Ay
made made quite a few mistakes, you know, in these last two episodes
politically, uh spoiler, just an update for something we were talking about earlier.
My lady Fred just text me and she says, So, now I
feel like I need to know what the top podcast is about. Oh I
know the live link. She can listen to us life. Oh no,
I'm not. Yeah, yeah, do it. But I just tell her
what it was about. So I'm waiting for the disappointment to roll out the
TV show. Send the link. She'll love it. Can just send her
the link to the pre show on Patreon. Right, I'll send to every
Cindy I can find on Facebook. I'll get her somehow. I have a
found her on Facebook yet. Good luck. Oh maybe shouldn't have one.
Good It's good. She's a good she gets catch see um all right?
So you know, in an episode full of awkward interactions, we get another
one. This is John A talking with Benja. This is when she's doing
his hair, doing the braids and his hair, and she's talking directly in
front of Kelly Anne about who to throw in and Kelly an is just sort
of laying in bed like thinking to herself, Wait a minute, you already
said you weren't throwing me, and why is this even a conversation? But
John A just keeps talking on and on and on about how complicated it is
and all these moving parts. What is this? Why is John A doing
this? Any insight here? H Well, I mean if if they would
have had a conversation, she could have been like, well, I was
just telling him that because I don't want him to know that he's going in
that night. Yeah, but you know she didn't even go that far.
Yeah. You know we saw in their conversation between the two of them earlier,
you know that they both expressed, you know, I want to you
know, like an alliance where we only need to talk about we just know
that we're good. So that's kind of my view on this is it's kind
of like that wink wink nod nod between them, like they both knew that
John A was blowing smoke up his butt and that uh, it was never
a real consideration, right. Yeah. Ultimately, this conversation ends with john
A just telling Benja in front of Kelly Am that she doesn't know what she's
gonna do, and that's it. We're unto elimination. My cat's in front
of my sound bar. Yes, there we go. Ryan's in the chat
room. What's up? Ryan? Also? Carlin's there. Carlin. We're
about to kick Zach off the show, so you're going to be the permanent
so Zach, let's not get hasty. Carlin. What could you tell us
about the Twilight Socca? This is your your application to tell us everything you
know about Twilight. All right, we're into elimination. TJ intros, everybody.
They all come out. Nellie puts his hair up, signaling that he
really wants Tristan in this elimination with him. But this is where we get
a little This is where where the true Nellie really comes out. In the
In Confessionals, he says that he doesn't want Benja to be thrown in because
of the Argentinian connection, right, He doesn't want Argentina to be totally like
wiped out of the game, so he wants Tristan for that reason. But
Wolfee, if that's true, which I assume it is, why did he
even do this thing of like putting the hair up and stuff. It's always
gonna be Tristan, right, I mean it seems that way. I don't
know why I had to be this meticulous plan because I mean, what scenarios
are you gonna want to go against Benja? Yeah? I don't think that
there is a scenario where he wants Benja, at least according to this confessional.
He says that it's all about Argentina, so he doesn't want Benja.
So I don't know the hair up hair down thing, it's neither here nor
there. Good idea pointless though pointless. I'd like to see this. I'd
like to see this again when it matters. Frankly didn't right, Yeah,
it didn't matter, did not matter. So anyway, they do throw in
Kristen or Kristen Tristan and Kelly Anne uh Kelly and says that during this Johnny
smirked, and it did cut to a thing where Johnny's smiling slightly. I
don't know this comediting tricks. What do you think, Wolfe? I mean,
I mean they had the footage. Was she doing any at the exact
moment? I don't know. Like we've learned not to trust anything on this
show, of course, never never, But you know, I don't know
she was smirking at some point, Yeah, when Benja or not Benja,
when Grant was just you know, saying who they were gonna pick. So
maybe yep, after this we get Wolfee, this is your favorite part.
We get a flashback to some really important context just showing in the show,
so we know ahead of time. I know, right, It's it's stupid.
It's like, it's all this false tension. It's you know, who's
she gonna throw and who's she gonna what's gonna happen, what's gonna happen?
And then she throws in Tristan and Kelly in and then it shows us a
flashback of like a meaningful conversation where she, you know, decides to do
it. I agree with you, Wolfie. Just put it in the show
in like chronological order. Let us see why she made this decision. This
flashback ship is cheap and stupid, and I hate it. I just feel
like they they're trying to be manipulative to make you believe something. Yeah,
and then they're gonna be like, oh but wait, there's more, and
then they're gonna show this scene and be like, see it was different the
whole time. Yeah, it's like an m Night Shaman movie of like,
oh we got you, We got you guys. It's like, come on,
this is a reality TV show, guy, it's not that important.
I don't try to, you know now. I just feel stupid. Right.
So in this flashback conversation, it's Casey and Tory they're talking to John
A. I truly believe that this conversation is where they got in John Ay's
head that they wanted those those the sort of legends wanted Kelly Ann and John
A went along with it. That was one of my impression, Wolfie.
Was that your impression? Sure? Why not? All right? Well,
I think if I really had an impression, I was just like, okay,
yeah, uh yeah, that was my impression. Anyway. I just
think that Kellyan has less ties to the house, and for them, that
was just an easier decision. And I think they do want Argentina out.
I think they want to kind of pick a team one at a time,
kill that team, and then move on to the next one. Um.
So we're getting confessional with Wes giving Zara a pop quiz who are we rooting
for in this elimination? And Zara says Argentina and West is like, but
We're playing both the hated West during this, and I usually like West,
but it's condescending and just kind of rude and off putting. Did you agree
with that, Wolfe? Sure? I mean, why not just be condescending
and rude if that's the way you want to be. Yeah, I just
I don't know, and I like West. I don't like West when he's
this like, oh, I'm the mentor, let me show you how it's
done, grab a notepad, let me like fucking write this down for you.
I don't know. This really robbed the wrong one. That's why the
few times I liked Us, I love him being like, oh, let
me teach you my ways. Yeah, that's that's not what I like to
see in West. I don't know why I hate this confessional And do e
of you guys watch Always Sunny in Philadelphia? Oh no, Zach, I
want to, but I mean it's fifteen seasons in or whatever. Yeah,
you're way behind. So I mean it's just sort of like, oh,
I can't start watching it now. Yeah. Well, there's an episode where
where Mac who is just like the idiot of the group, well one of
the idiots of the group, and he's like, yeah, We're gonna play
both sides so that we're always on top. And it's like a running joke
because when you play both sides, that's you're never on top. And West
has tried to play this both sides game. It seems like he's always found
out, he's always caught and it never works out for him, but he
keeps trying. And now he's advising Zara do it. I don't know this
whole thing. It's just like Wes, you need to know when to shut
the fuck up. Man. It's an idiot. And that's one of the
reasons why I've always been so critical of him is because, yeah, like
he does. You know, his game is he can manipulate the rookies every
season because they don't know any better. But once you've done one season,
you can see right through West and you know Zach the way is doing every
time. Oh you're talking, you're talking about Johnny right to ten seasons in
a row. And then he'll tell you, Hey, I know I screwed
you ten times in a row, but this eleventh time is different, and
you'll be like, I believe you, Like, yeah, you won't do
it again, No you don't. But West can pull it off once.
Johnny can do it for twenty years and you'll never learn. Yeah, it
does seem like West is most successful when he takes a few years off and
then he comes back sort of blind. People are kind of you know,
they don't really know what he's up to, and he plays the same game
every time, but he does better when he takes a longer break, and
I think that's why. Well, anyway, we're into elimination. This one's
called tether brawl. We've never seen this one before. Basically, one person
is in a sling, one person on the ground. They toss that sling
around up in the air that grabbing blocks. You're supposed to grab eight blocks.
Once you have the blocks, you stack them up and the winner wins
and the loser loses. Not much to say about this elimination other than Nellie
sucks. He doesn't understand momentum, he doesn't quite get I love Nellie.
There's nothing at this point that anyone can say or do to take my love
of Nellie away. I love this man, but he's an idiot and he's
bad at stuff like this. He's he's one of these like he's just not
athletic. He just doesn't see motion and movement and he just doesn't understand it
in the way that some people do. And uh, the entire rest of
the cast is telling you what to do and you still don't do it.
Yeah. It's one thing if you do it wrong at first and then like
the house corrects you. But yeah, everyone told him how to do it
correctly, and he still went listen. Yeah. I wish I could defend
him. Um, I got nothing. He should have known better, he
should have done better. Terrible, really terribly. I mean it ended up
the Nellie and who he only got one block out of eight because it fell
into the center. Yeah. So yeah, Nellie won a wrestling match against
Tristan, which I guess is good. But it doesn't matter at all.
Um oh, because I think Tristan was like, oh, we got like
six of them, this is their first one. Yeah, I'll just let
it go. Yeah. I think so too. It was not Nellie's best
showing, possibly his worst, and I don't know, I don't know what
to say. I wish it was better than this. I think the way
to improve it for the future is that you just have to like letting them
grab them, make them just knock them in the middle, so everyone has
to be wrestled over. I think that would be a really cool way to
do it, actually, because the men, I mean, I guess the
men were tossing the women. But yeah, to have a little bit of
a ground game would have been an interesting for wrinkling it all. Right.
Well, anyway, the end of the day, Nellie and WHOI they lose
Kelly and in Tristan they win. Next time we see everybody, they're back
at the house. Everybody's all right, everyone's excited, they're all hugging,
they're all congratulating each other and the high fives and all this stuff that always
happens. But John Ay just sprints upstairs, just avoids all. She's fucking
out of there, dude. And then we get some confessionals from people like
ambursing, hey, John A did this horrible thing where she said she wasn't
gonna throw Kelly in in and then she did, And maybe I shouldn't trust
John A either. It seems like John A has lost a lot of political
capital ye this round, not just with Kelly Anne, but like everybody else
that sees what she did to Kelly Anne and says, well, she's gonna
do that to me too. So I think the result of this is that
john A is going to be on an island of hers of her own,
and unfortunately so is Kelly Anne. Pretty much, it feels like they're gonna
be the two opposing forces of the women for this season. Yeah, yeah,
it finds beneficial dry keep both of them in as long as you can,
so they just fight with each other there. It's probably beneficial, But
I don't think I think I think both of them are not long for this
season. Frankly, I think they're both gonna be targets, and I think
they're both gonna struggle from here on out. But we'll see. So Kelly
and confronts Johnny in her room and basically says, all right, Johnny,
why did you do that? And John Ay, The only thing that she
says is a long list of reasons. Right, But I thought you came
up with just one reason solved the entire problem, and you didn't even use
it. Right. Blame Nellie. Nellie's not even in the house anymore.
It's easy to blame him. He can't defend himself or anything. Just say
just say, like, hey, Nellie really wanted you and Tristan. I
tried to give him what he wanted. I think that's you know, when
you go in, I'll try to give you who you want, like whatever,
but you just sort of shrug and say, I mean a long list
of reasons is sort of like saying I don't know, like there's nothing,
there's no answer there. So I totally get why Kelly and is pissed.
And I don't know, this is very just very weird. Yeah, it's
so weird. I don't know why Johnny went this way when she had already
thought up a perfectly good reason to shield herself. Yeah, it still may
not have even been a good answer. Kelly and Price still would have been
pissed, but at least you could have shrugged your shoulders and been like,
I know, it's just I was trying to give Nellie what he wanted.
And yeah, and maybe that would have not played well with Kelly Inn,
but that might have played well with the rest of the house at least completely
completely yep. But instead, yeah, john Ay just would have choked.
You didn't know what to say. I don't know, this is sort of
weird. And then they started not good from a two time champ, right
and then they started arguing over you know, John A told Kelly Ann,
yeah, we're an alliance. I'll protect you, but don't tell anybody.
And then John Ay says, but Kelly and you went and told people,
and Kelly and says, no, I didn't. And it's just like all
this stuff is just sort of like this is all neither here nor that,
none of this matters. I don't know why we're even talking about it,
but I don't know about YouTube, but I believe Kelly and I think Johnny
was just hard gas lighter there. I think so too. I think I
am weirdly on team Kelly An here. I didn't expect to be because she
was driving me fucking nuts at the beginning of this episode. But john Ages
seems sort of rudderless here, like she doesn't know what she's doing. Yeah.
Not a good move. Yeah, And so we end this episode on
an ominous note where Kelly Ann says, I'll deal with you as the challenge
proceeds the end. Yeah, oh did you talk about Tristan Tristan Grant talking
NAD didn't think that was important, but go ahead. No, Just Grant
comes in and tries to be like, oh, you know, I couldn't
believe you pulled that out or whatever. And I don't know. It seems
like they were they were both being so fake nice to each other that they
both realized what they were doing. But then but then like cut to like
Tristan's like confessional. He's like, look, I might need him at some
point, so I'm gonna swallow it now. But you know, there could
be a problem going forward. Yeah, Carlin wants to know what the squeaking
in the background is. Tim. We covered that already, Carlin, you
were late. We got a new hamster in the house. That is Scarlet
Evelyn. The hamster running on a or ping pong. Yeah, you don't
oil that wheel up, Tim, you do it. I want to put
my hand. I don't want to put my hand on that cage. Oh
you get w D forty years. It's got the little long spout on it.
You can just stick it through the bars and you're good. What if
the hamster licks it, it's gonna kill the hamster. Well, then you've
solved your problem. Get away. That's a good point. Yeah. Hey,
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doing those live shows like the watch alongs, the trivia, whatever we decide
to do, we're gonna open that to the five dollars tier. So ten
dollars, yeah, someone who's no longer on the show created the ten dollars
tier, so you decided to get rid of that but keep some of the
fun stuff that we like doing for the ten dollar tier. Yeah, the
watch lungs have been a lot of fun. Trivia was a lot of fun.
I mean it's it is really it's a fun It's a fun event.
Yeah, so should be lots of fun. Uh, Zach, I don't
know if you're in a position to even talk about it, but was there
any social media there? There was? If you guys hear that loud noise,
it's a train in the background. Oh guess we got hamsters and trains
in this podcast. It's a mess. Uh. So. The first thing
is there was some pictures that came out of a possible new challenge couple.
Uh there's photos of Jordan and Huhui all cuddled up together on social media.
Oh so yeah, so that and then I probably the other bigger news that
came out I think yesterday was Nelson was in a very bad fiery car accident.
It was actually saved by Minnesota Vikings wide receiver kJ Osborne. And the
big, the big drama there is apparently before he helped he was filming some
and Amanda went on the tirade on Twitter attacking this NFL player for recording and
not helping sooner. I think Amanda has a point, But Zach, do
you know, because I haven't been able to find this online, that football
player dude, was he hanging without hanging out with Nelly or did he just
happen to be passing. From what I've seen, it seems like they're just
happy to be passing. It looks like, you know, when it happened.
The reason he started recording was there's already three people at the car helping
to get Nelson out. And then once they got him out of the car.
You've actually seen the video. He you know, he puts his phone
down and he runs over to help get them away from the car just in
case it explodes. So he did help. But yeah, he's at first
he's like, oh, there's other people helping. I just will be in
the way. I see. Okay, maybe not as terrible. Then,
no, that doesn't seem terrible, I thought. I don't know from what
I read Amanda's tweets, and what it seemed like Amanda was implying is that
they were sort of together and this guy was recording the scene instead of helping
out. Helping out at the scene, But that was as far as I
kind of heard about it. But it seems like he did record for a
while and then and then helped right, Yeah, and the Ella. It
could just be that Nellie is, you know, such a nice, softhearted
person. I mean, Nelson thank him for his attribution, so apparently Nellie's
not mad about his involvement. Yeah, but Nellie's injuries seemed substantial, like
that he had an X ray with I don't know, seven eight like titanium
shafts in his ankle, huge scar in his arm. Um. Do you
guys think this will impact his challenge career at least for the year future.
You know, if there's any upcoming seasons, he's probably out for those.
But hopefully because as much as I don't really like Nelson, I don't obviously
wish horrible things for him, So you know, I hope he's all right,
but looks like we may not see him for a couple of seasons.
I feel like there's nothing that happened, you know, that we know of
so far that's so serious, like with THEOZI that will permanently impact his ability
to compete physically. So I think we'll see him back eventually. Yeah,
yeah, I certainly hope. So. I love Nellie. Those injuries did
look substantial. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a year or two or three
that he's off on the show. Like, we've seen what these serious injuries
do, and he's got two of them, big one on his wrist,
big one on his ankle. I don't know, we'll see. Yeah,
hopefully he's all right. That's all I had for social media this week.
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We need to come up with what we're doing from our March meetup.
Oh yeah, I don't know what we're doing yet. We may just do
a regular meetup. It seems like people really liked that kind of stuff,
so yeah, you know, I think with us lowering it to the five
dollars, patrons will have a lot of new people that haven't been there before.
So I think just a standard meetup, get to know everyone, yeah,
Q and A Yeah, yeah, I'm good with that should be fun.
Joker wants to watch Showgirls. Yeah, good pass flashback for Tim.
It's like nom flashbacks. I've seen show Girls. I don't know, one
hundred and twenty times. Why did you? Why did you see it?
One hundred and twenty times? So my first job was at a movie theater,
and yeah, show Girls came out that same summer that I started,
and people were jerking off in the theater, and so my job was to
sit in the back of the theater with a flashlight and make rounds every once
in a while to make sure that nobody was jerking off. So for like
several weeks straight, that was my whole job. I would just sit in
an eight hour shift and just watch Showgirls over and over and over again.
Yeah. Yeah, And I was walking around with my flashlight one time and
I caught a guy jerking off, And you know, I was like sixteen
years old, and I decided I was not gonna walk around and do that
anymore. I was not being paid enough to watch men jerk off, So
I didn't ever walk around the theater ever. Again, I assume hundreds of
men jerked off in that theater. I didn't. I didn't stop them,
I'm sure. Yeah, remember that, guys, next time you go to
a landmark. Yeah, seeming all over those seats because Tim didn't do his
job properly. That's right, Carlin wancenars ten dollar pages being reduced to five.
Do we get something special for being in the ten dollar tier? No,
do nothing special. Just move yourself down to the five dollar tier.
I need to maybe go in tonight and see if I can get rid of
that ten dollar tier. Um, but you know you'll still get all the
all the stuff we were doing in the ten dollars tier, but now just
at the five dollar tier. So you save yourself five dollars a month.
I was gonna say, maybe we should think of something nice to do for
them for this month, since they've already been charged for the month they paid
extra. Oh if people have a hard time with that, just get like,
we'll just pay pal you five bucks back. Where's that? I guess
not that big of a deal. Uh Oh, Carlin says, well,
you just call a special. We are very special, Carlin, all of
you ten dollars people are special. We're all challenged. Yes, you'll you'll
know in your heart that you know, even though we're gonna have a room
full of all of our five dollar patrons. You guys will be our secret
favorite. Oh yeah, can we give them special badges on the UH in
the Challenge screaming room to let everybody know they were they were the Ogs.
I bet we could do that. Yeah yeah, let me see if I
can figure that out. Cool. All right, well, thanks everybody,
and UH as Kelly Ann said, I'm fucking done Challenge