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Back to you, Ellien Lee. Thanks Ellien Lee. We are so excited
to bring you episode thirteen of season six missed Queer Nections and we I really
I had to like get my mouth around that one. And we are joined
by oh no, already out the gate, I'm ignoring Ellie. And we
are joined by a very special guest today, El Mills, who's one of
the most buzzed about content creators on YouTube. She's a following of over three
point one million across all social platforms. She's a true storyteller, creating short
films on YouTube that speak to the awkward and hilarious coming of age experience in
today's society, and now is writing and directing and sharing her passion for storytelling
in the traditional filmmaking space. She just released her directorial debut short film Reply,
that's been acquired by Creator Plus and won the festival on a reward at
Buffer Festival. Oh my gosh, ell Hi, welcome, Hello, Hello,
thank you for having me. We are so excited to have you here
and super excited to talk about your new short film. Why don't you just
tell our audience a little bit about your short film Reply. So Reply is
a queer romance. It's said in the two thousands. It's kind of inspired
because I grew up loving two thousands romance films, and so I kind of
wanted, like the dream was always to make a queer one. So about
this boy who makes this film after finding a bunch of his mom's old videotapes
from the summer of two thousand and six, where some before she went to
college, and as like a last project before leaving her hometown, she decides
to build a treehouse and during the process, she meets her new neighbor and
things happened. I'm not pretty good at explaining, but that's yeah, that
is definitely a good explanation. I definitely got those vibes from it. Of
the two thousand stuff, what's your favorite? What are your favorite like two
thousands rom coms? I know that's a difficult question. I think my guilty
pleasures John Sucker must Die. I don't know. Yes, yes, classic,
Yeah, I love that. I mean like She's the Man early on.
I love the Lizzie MacGuire movie. Yep, classic, Gosh what else?
What else? What do you guys have any favorites? I have a
lot. But for me, well, I don't know if this is is
this even the two thousands? Maybe this is the nineties? Ten things I
hate about you? Yes, oh yeah, listen my go to early aughts,
like our obsession when I was in high school, I cause my comfort
watches with my best friend were Princess Diaries and Mala Rouge. So oh yeah,
an era, an era of filmmaking. Yes, yes, yes,
I think too. There's part of your YouTube channel you've compared yourself to like
Ferris Bueller two, right, which I yeah, I like that, Like
I think even when when we got your bio, there was like something in
it about like the John Hughes of you I'm Sorry, which yeah, I
love. No, Yeah, I mean it was like I found it hard
to explain my video style, and so I feel like I kind of nerrod
over the years and narrated it down to imagine if Fierce Bueller had a YouTube
channel. I think it's the easiest way to get it across the people who
have no clue. I love it and like watching watching it had those good
nostalgia vibes plus the queerness. Maybe you can't tell us about any of your
newer projects, but are you thinking about trying to make a more long form
queer rom com at some point? No? Yeah, sure, I mean
the past year I've been I think after making Reply, because that was my
first time writing and directing, and it's been kind a big dream of mine,
but I've always been afraid to jump into it, just because I haven't
gone to film school. I don't really know like all the technical side of
things. But after that it kind of really turned my life upside down,
and I've been working and writing for the past year on the feature, which
isn't a long form of Reply. But I'd say reply is a good It
sets the world in the heart of like kind of what a queer romance from
me would look like. And so yeah, hopefully I'm I'm working on like
the third draft of it, so been experiencing you writer's block, but hopefully
I'll be done in the next few months. Yeah, that's awesome. I
watched some of the videos on your YouTube channel about it, but like,
it definitely seems like a it makes sense as next steps for you because even
in your like older YouTube videos, I feel like just like your editing is
more film style in a way, even for the like more this is a
YouTube video. I think you that. I just feel like you have a
good eye for it. That's my I think compliment to you. That's all.
Yes, let's talk a little bit, just like about the missed queer
nextion of it All, which is the title of this episode, because you
know, I don't want to super spoil it, I guess, but we
I guess we sort of happy to have this conversation. But basically the storyline,
right is that these two girls meet form this connection that is clearly very
queer, but one of them has a boyfriend. Is like this is the
path that my life quote unquote should take, and they sort of missed that
opportunity. Have you had any experiences like that that informed this where it's no,
No, I didn't want to say that earlier, but no, it's
okay. I mean I've definitely had like it. I would say connections I
were never meant to be, you know, but definitely missed connections. But
yeah, when I look back now, I mean like at the time,
obviously I'm like like I'm always like they're the one that got away. But
looking back in hindsight, I think all of them, yeah, weren't meant
to be. Yeah, I feel like I feel like that's also like a
maturity in that right of like you could it's like quote unquote the one that
got away. But then like in your current life, like, actually,
no, I'm good, that's great, Ellie. What are you saying about
our meet cute over the oat milk? I know, well, we miss
we missed our momently and it's never coming back again. It's gone. Now,
It's okay, it's fine. I love Actually, let's I'm like,
let's do a let's do a quick exercise that maybe I will completely not be
able to do. What's the gayest misconnection? Lee made a good one at
the beginning, Like it can be completely fake, but like, what's the
gayest this connection you can think of? I'm like, I saw you in
line at the Haley Kyoko concert. I was wearing con black converts with a
rainbow on the side, and I was with my girlfriend at the time.
But it's like just gay gay gay, Okay. I feel like it's going
to be like we were in the bathroom of oh bathroom is lesbian bar,
and you needed a tampon and like, but I think our fingers brushed when
I handed it to you, and like there might have been a spark there.
Yes, yeah, I'm here for it. El, What about you?
What do you think? I don't know if god, oh gosh,
I'm so like I'm really bad at improv, Like I was on the improv
suven high school and we got last place. I think like there's like two
or three Okay, Oh, that's not too bad. That's not that's not
bad. Yeah, that's still meddling. That's fine. Yeah, you really
got to bronze medal even for yes, so you're fine. You gotta you
gotta turn that spin on for that like I was third place in my improv
team, and yeah, there you go. I'm gonna tell a quick story.
You think about it, write it down, Okay. So I'm just
gonna keep thinking it more. We'll be here. Sorry. The bathroom just
sparks something for me. I'm really excited for this story. So this is
not this is not a miscrennection for me. This is somebody else who thinks
that I'm their miscrennection. But this story just cracks me up every time.
And it's so it's actually bad. Okay. So I was in the bathroom
at a gay bar, right and this girl so on with that, Like,
this girl comes up to me and she goes. I went up to
her and I was like, are you waiting for anyone? Okay? And
I I was thinking, like, are you waiting for anyone? Or are
you in line for the bathroom? Like I just need to know if I
can use this stall, right, And she's like yes, okay. So
I go to the bathroom. I do not think about that interaction at all.
Month or two later, this girl messages me on Instagram and is like,
Hey, I just wanted to let you know I was so upset when
you said are you waiting for someone? And I unfortunately had to say yes,
but I'm not with that girl anymore. So, like I figured she
thought that was your one, and I was like, it was not.
It was not meant to be. It was not meant to be. But
that has stuck with me forever. So whenever I am in the line for
the bathroom, like, I can't use that phrase, I'm like you like
lesbians are like either they you were hitting on them and they have no clue,
or you said the most yeah, not hitting on you yeah, or
you like bumped into them and you were like, oh sorry and they were
like the love of my life. Yes. But the fact that she thought
about it for months wow months and then I don't know, I don't know
she found me on Instagram because I did not talk to this person. I
said that one sentence to her and are you are you questioning lesbian's ability?
I know, like you know it's enough to but that was you could be
a fan. That was something else. Yeah, oh yeah, are you
waiting for someone? For someone? That's a move. That's that's the move.
Go in the bathroom, listen up in the bathroom. You asked me,
what's I waiting for someone I unfortunately was like that's the kicker too,
where she was so sad. She was like, I'm like that poor girl
she was with too. That was something. Yeah, have you thought of
anything else? Okay, I just was all I've got gotten is gay astrology.
So ok, strology. You read my terror cards last week? Yeah?
Yeah, yes, got the lover's card done. Yeah, that's it,
It's perfect, thanks guys, stereotype. That's all. You just gotta
be like. We were at the dog park and your German shepherd really loves
Yeah, I mean you gotta there's like too many. We were at the
ms pc A. I was waiting with my cat to go to the to
go to the emergency room, and you were waiting with the cat of the
same color. Okay, I'm also I'm going to tie us back to the
movie. Now. We were at home depot. I was picking up lumber.
You were working at home depot obviously. Yeah. Okay. On that
note, are you a crafty gay? Like could you have built that treehouse?
Oh? No, literally not at all. I'm not good So you
would have been with my hands, but not good craft. Everyone disregarded that
last thing. Bleep. It out, So you would have been what what
was she doing? Hammer? Yes, CRUs, Yes, I would have
been. I do feel like every relationship though, like as you have the
inn and the yang, you need the gay who cannot build and the gay
who can build. Because that's me and my girlfriend, Like she's a home
depot lesbian and I watch Cheerleader. Yeah, and you're doing you're doing great,
sweetie. Yeah, literally me and my girlfriend too. She like completely
renovated a whole that's cool. Not me. Yeah, I got it.
But yeah, you need you need both, like otherwise your house is going
to have just a bunch of like uncomplete furniture, uncomplete incomplete furniture. Well,
actually I can build furniture. If there's instructions, I can so the
Ikea furniture you can use, but not I can do that. Yeah,
very proud of myself able to do that. We we had. I had
this idea which honestly you can take if you want to use it for your
YouTube channel, because I will never do it that. It was a dating
show plus Ikea with lesbians, so you give to It's like a blind date,
right, two queer people have to make Ikea furniture together and at the
end they decide if they're compatible and they want to go. I like that,
that's really cute, but I will never do it. So that's like
a recipe for disaster. That's the thing. If they start fighting, it's
not meant to be. Yeah, if they actually successfully complete the furniture,
they could be so yeah, yes, exactly. You actually the end of
the show. By the end of the show, they built enough furniture they
that they could put it in a house. Yes, yeah, So you
have to keep progressing through the levels until you have a full furniture set,
and then you build a house and then you haul together and then you live
in that house. Listen, can I Can I tell you because I honestly
thought so in the movie the first time that you meet Hayden's character, right,
she's like moving out of her little U haul. I legit thought that
she was. I thought they were gonna like need to borrow, like she
would need to borrow her U haul and then they would meet Like I was
waiting for, like the U haul scene, like driving it and just being
like ugh, lesbians in a U haul there. I was so ready for
it, But I'm really instead, we home depot and I think that's equally
good. Yeah, also valid. I never have noticed, Yeah, the
U haul like the building. I never made that connection. I guess I
was just subconscious. Yeah, I mean, if you're going to write a
queer love story, it's just like it just flows. It just makes sense.
Yeah, let's talk a little bit about your like YouTube to to film
journey, because I just also watched one of the videos on your channel.
What is it what happened to al Mills? Yes? Is that the Yeah,
And I would love for you to just speak on that and speak about
your experience because it really resonated with me. Yeah. So I made a
it's kind of my last video, and I wanted to I don't know,
because I didn't want it to be this thing of like fuck YouTube like it
was. It's never it's never been that. But yeah, I've been doing
YouTube since I was like a kid, but like full time as a teenager,
and so I kind of grew up on camera and there were a lot
of things like consequences that I'm still dangling with because of the success of that.
I don't know, like all of my relationships. I'm really condensing my
life this story. Yeah, but yeah, like I think there's also like
that that YouTube grind. I don't know, once you ride that heights,
like it's like addicting and it's you I don't know, there's like a lot
of crazy stuff I was doing and pushing myself, and like, I don't
know, there there was just like I guess, like a lot of the
things that I think because of like my career, I you know, I
started experience panic attacks and it became depressed and and I was unsure why because
I've like ever since I was a kid, I've loved making stuff. I've
loved creating, and so it was very confusing, and it was also not
great that I was experiencing all all that publicly. And so I mean,
over the course of the years, I've I've kind of been very vocal about
like that burnout. I made a video a few years ago, a few
years ago called burnt Out in nineteen where I was I was very raw.
And that's another thing, like I was very great, Like I was very
impulsive about documenting my life as a teenager, and I've e there's like videos
of me having mental breakdowns like online, and that Burnt Out in nineteen has
kind of shows that and like what the behind the scenes of my career was
looking like. So yeah, I mean all of that. Like, I
think it's just once the pandemic hit, I think it's like I mean,
for everyone, it kind of just changed everything. I think it put things
in perspective for me, and I taking some time away realize I'm like,
uh, this is I don't know, it just wasn't for me anymore.
But I still love creating, and so I wrote the script because I had
time too. And but then I made and I think that's when I kind
of decided. I was like, I think it's time to shift and end
this chapter of my life because I feel like YouTube is like my my college
years, my teenage years, and you know, I think I think it
needs to be normalized on YouTube that I think it's okay to leave and like
and on a good note, you know, I don't want to. I'm
not enjoying it. And the reason I started YouTube was like, I didn't
I didn't make money for the first few years on it. I was just
very I just loved making stuff. And by the end I realized I wasn't
enjoying that and I was doing it for the money. So it's like,
okay, it's time to I don't know, change something. I feel like
I'm rambling, but no, it's okay, we're just listening. I mean
yeah, no, it makes a lot of sense, and it is like
very I think it's a side of social media that we're starting to talk more
about because a lot of the like a lot of these social media platforms are
still pretty young when you think about it. Yes, right, so like
people like you who started on YouTube when they were young, It's like it
makes sense that, like that's so stressful to be in the public eye like
that from a young age. And I'm personally glad that you're not at a
young age. I mean yeah, I mean even yeah, even as adults,
it's like so stressful to be putting yourself under a microscope. Yeah,
but I'm glad that you're that you've reframed that for yourself because I'm like,
I'm a performer, and like I feel like I understand that when you're like,
why is something that I love not feel good anymore? And it's really
important to take a minute to be like, Okay, I do love this,
and here's how I'm gonna like really make sure I'm I'm doing this because
I love it. I mean it's like also like with like YouTube and just
social media in general, like you are the product, you know, and
that's and that becomes dangerous because like on yourself forth becomes so intertwined with your
career and it's it's, uh, that's a you know, dangerous thing.
Well and that's and it's I mean, I guess invasive is like the first
word that's coming to mind too to like I mean, I'm I'm just thinking
even of like I know, I talked to we put out a musical last
year, like a podcast musical, so like a like a Broadway show but
make it a podcast. And I was talking to Jasmine Savoy Brown, who
starred opposite Ellie in it, and because I wrote all the music for it,
and she now is i mean obviously has like her acting career, but
is also doing a lot more music and stuff, and I was like,
I was talking to her about writing music, and I was like, I
am just like I'm always in awe of people who just like write their own
stuff and then like perform it them selves, like with like just songs where
you're like, here's a song that I wrote, like about my life and
stuff, and I'm like, could not not a chance. And I you
know, I'm like I love writing music for us, like for the the
stuff we do. I'll write Ellie songs. I'm like, Ellie, I
will so happily write you a song like whatever you want, Like, I'll
write it for you. The idea of like writing a song about like me
and then just like putting it out there, I'm like, oh my god,
that feels like so like that hits too close to home. I'm like
the idea of spending like your entire teenage years with just like putting your whole
like life out on camera like that, Like yeah, I mean that's just
it is we take for granted. I think the idea that people are even
willing to do that now because that's not that's not a thing that used to
exist, you know, Like that's yeah, that's a pretty recent development in
like human kind's history that I don't think we are evolved for yet really,
you know, yeah for sure. And I just think like YouTube and social
media in general like really promotes this idea of like sharing your vulnerability. And
I totally get what you're saying about like music and stuff, Like I feel
like with my YouTube videos that was like kind of my art form, and
I wanted to be vulnerable and I wanted like that was my way of expressing
myself. And yeah, I mean like I feel like vulnerability also equals like
views. People want to see, people want to be it's it is invasive,
people want to like get a peek in. And I think that was
like the biggest thing I learned, The one lesson I've took from this whole
experience was not everyone deserves your vulnerability. And I think, and it's tricky
because I feel like with art it is like it is about being vulnerable.
It is about you know, putting a piece of yourself in it. Yeah,
and I felt like with YouTube it was a little blurry because it required
a lack of privacy. And that's why when I finally found the confidence for
filmmaking, it was this way of telling stories that wasn't that the expense of
my privacy. I don't know, there's like a I feel a peace.
There's this anxiety over the past few years that I just couldn't get rid of,
and I feel like it's like, you know, it's kind of simmer
down. I'm obviously really I'm pretty anxious person, but it's a different kind
of anxiety. Yeah, yeah, no, it is, and that there's
like such a double edged side to it where it's like, if you're not
vulnerable for people, you're not real, you know, like you lose that
piece of humanity that allows people to like see you as a real person.
But like it's that's such a that's such a high cost to ask of people
to remember that. It's like, oh yeah, there's like a human person
on the other side of this. But so yeah, I mean I totally
agree with Ellie. I think like the pivot into being able to like tell
stories that don't have to be your own, you know. And that's why,
like I actually love that. It's like, oh, have you had
like this kind of misconnection story and you're like no, And I'm like,
oh my god, like perfect because please, yeah, like get Like I
think especially with like your first film, like starting out with like having some
separation, you know, so it's so you don't have to come out and
just be like, oh, yeah, here's how it's based on my story
of this, because it's like that's exactly the same thing and this they're you
know, like, yeah, having that buffer is probably gonna be great.
And also it's such a cute fucking story. Like I don't know, I
just I really enjoyed it. It gave me strong I mean a because I
think it does appeal to like that era, especially like I don't know why
seeing someone on a flip phone like brought me so much joy. Yeah,
I'm like, where did you dig up a flip phone? Like? Did
you just like itself? The v I that killed me? I'm like,
where did this? I'm sorry? This kid is supposed to be what sixteen
gen z? I'm like, where's he digging up the little TV with the
built in tape player? You can order that Amazon? Oh you probably?
Yeah, that's right right. My mom is trying to get me to convert
all of our home videos, which is like the like there's places that you
just pay them to do drop off. It is way too defensive. You
we have hundreds and it costs you like one hundred dollars to do two.
Oh it does not, no, but it is expensive one hundred dollars to
do ten. All right, fine, it's too expensive, so I will
be using my labor. But how did you do it? Because it is
difficult to do? Was this thing called il Gato. Like it was basically
like I used my computer to like I had to connect an Algada connector thing
and to like a VHS player and then it like went straight to the computer
and then you can record screen record the video and auto but you have to
like watch the whole thing. Yeah, and that's why because I we don't
have a working VCR. So I had to try to buy one on Amazon,
and there's a bunch, but it's difficult to find when that's still works,
Like I feel like I ordered one and then it still doesn't work.
No, I know, I wonder what happened to Like my parents sold their
house, like the house that I that we lived in when I was in
like middle school, high school and stuff. They sold that house, uh
last year, and they they were just like I'm over this, Like they
just sort of washed their hands the whole thing. They like brought in a
guy who will be like I'll run in a state sale and just like sell
all your shit and if I can't sell it, like I'll get rid of
it and he gets to keep the money from whatever. And I'm like,
dude, I know that there were like I like, I know they saved
a bunch of stuff like they like, you know, kept a bunch of
stuff that they wanted to keep. And I'm sure we kept like a bunch
of home videos. But I'm like there must have just been like random tapes
full of like, oh, we like recorded the Gilmour Girls episode from the
week on this VCR tape to like watch it later because we weren't home.
There must have just been like random ass tapes And I'm like, who got
those? Like where are they now? Happened? Just watching your home videos?
Right? Yeah, I think we kept the home videos. I feel
like we probably kept the home videos. But like Elle, you have said
that you like created stuff forever, like since you were young. Do you
remember like the first thing you ever filmed or edited like that was not on
YouTube? You know what I mean? That was just like for fun.
Me and my siblings always made music videos nice, specifically Disney Channel, so
like like Joe bros Camp Rock High Musical. Yeah. I started off with
Windows movie making, oh my god, yeah, and then transitioned to like
my dad got me like MacBook, and then like did I movie. So
we just used to like, oh, like that was our favorite thing to
do, just in our free time together. So you were you were dancing
and singing in these music videos. Were you writing a new story channel songs.
No, it would be like my sister. We using my little brother
a lot, so he would always be the guy and then my my sister
would be the girl in it. And then like we would just like I
don't know, like i'm I'm. We would try to like replicate the videos.
I'd say, like I remember, like there's like an SOS by the
Jonahs Brothers, Like I remember, I remember, Like we would just do
by scene by scene and it would we started off like we didn't have an
editing software at first. In the camera my mom had you could like clip
the clips together if you record one clip and then you record another clip,
and then you could combine the clips on the camera itself. And so that's
how we would do it. We would like record each scene. But yeah,
it would be just like I don't know, random like sometimes we would
do dances. So I mean it was a mix. It was a variety.
I love it. I need to watch the SOS music video now,
did you? I mean I've deaf with the Giants brothers. Oh my god,
I was obsessed with the Jonah's brothers. I went to a Jonah's Brothers.
I've told the story before, Lee knows it, but I chased their
bus. That's my dream I would. I went to one of their shows.
I was in high school. Actually, Demi Levado opened for them,
which was amazing, and I do remember that. I was like they'd just
been in school of rock, and I remember I was like, Demi's so
good. But then the Jonas Brothers came on and I was like ah.
And then at the end of the concert, all of these like prepubest and
teenage girls like crowd around and like head towards back, and I just feel
like I mindlessly followed everyone, and then all of a sudden, their bus
was coming. I saw Nick in the front of the bus in a white
tea and then everyone started running. I started running. We're all screaming,
and I feel like afterwards, I felt like I was in a trance,
Like I almost like slapped out of it and was like, wait, what
just happened? Like it was oh, that's my dream mania, Like that's
how I can only describe it. Yeah. So yes, and I actually
saw them on their most recent tour. I definitely did when I was old,
so no, I did too. I mean I wish, I wish
I saw them like during that era, like they're like two yes, no
that that was like the things I would do to go to like teleport back
because I lived in Hong Kong at that time, so they weren't coming over
there. But I love them so much. But whenever they like got back
because they broke up and they got back together, I was like me and
my sister, I'm like, we are going, I'm spending whatever. And
I met them. I bought meet and greet tickets and oh my god,
went round. Then I did the second night for the VIP bar, like
I was like, I'm gonna live out, like this is not gonna happen
again. But that's awesome, honestly, good for you. I didn't run
after their bus the second time, but I was very happy at that concert.
I'm not gonna lie I knew all the I love concerts. I'm like,
it's very rare. I'm at a concert where I know like all the
songs. So yeah, it was a really good good time. Honestly,
they are so good, Like I'm not ashamed. Yep, sorry, Lee,
are you not? It's not even that. I just feel like it
was a different era for me. I'm like clearly aging myself here that I'm
like, it's okay, I was I think I was too old for like
the hype who who would you have run? Let's say you would ever screaming?
Okay, well yes, okay, well yes, same same. I
would definitely run after the Spice Girls. Yeah, but like the Spice Girls
at the what was so you just okay, okay, well you just said
you thought the Jonas Brothers peak was what like two thousand and eight? Yeah,
okay, so that's the year I graduated from college. Yeah, you
wouldn't have been running after I mean it would have been like it was just
I was a little past that era of time. I would say for me,
the Spice Girl's peak was like what like late nineties, yes, maybe
probably yeah, ninety eight, ninety nine, right, Yeah, Like I
would say that was kind of like their peak time. So like yeah that
for me, I would have been like twelve thirteen, like that's yeah,
yeah, nice, It's just a different seven Spice Worlds came out. Yeah,
so I was ten. Yeah that feels right right, like we are
just talking about random ship. But I love it. I started a new
band. It's called the Fems, and we're all women and non binary people,
and so our whole thing is that we're only doing music by women and
non binary artists. And we had a rehearsal last week where we did Spice
Up Your Life amazing and it was the highlight of my entire life. Like
I've never I've only ever sung that song by myself, well not by myself
really but probably with my sister when we were just like in a car or
like dancing in our room. So to hear like a live band play Spice
Up Your Life? Was this some other is relevant to my interests. That's
under the video, dude, see. But that's the thing is like you're
not ashamed of the Jonahs brothers, Like I'm still not ashamed of loving spice
girls. Like they're fucking bobs. They're bobs. I once I like missed
my exit driving home from college one time because I was like trying. It
was back when you had to like have whatever converter to like plug your foot
like thing into your uh you had the little like tape deck converter for your
iPod I think, or something like in my car and I was like switching
Spice Girl CDs like on my on my like giant brick of an iPod iPod
and missed my exit driving high just because I was I was rocking out.
I'm like a top of my lungs singing along every song. Yeah, Spice
Girls, man, they can still get it. I'm just waiting. I
think they're coming. Are they coming back onto our because I need to see
them before I die. I you know, listen, I honestly I would
see them. Let a girl dream. Okay, that's all I'm gonna say.
I would really dead. Okay, sorry about this, So let's get
sort of back on track to whatever we were going to talk about. Who
knows. I want to talk about another one of your videos because it's I
feel like one of your more most iconic ones, and we can't not talk
about it before we end our interview. But I would love to talk about
your coming out video because that's like, at least for me, I think
that's the first video I ever saw of yours. Tell it, I guess,
just like tell us about what that was like for you, because you
were making videos before that. Uh huh no. Yeah, Well it's also
interesting I'm like, I'm because my coming out video is my most popular video
and I come out as buying it. But you know, since then,
I'm like definitely geh. But I'm like I can't do like a mass update,
like I don't know how to update people. But no, yeah,
I when I I remember, oh gosh, that was like twenty seventeen.
So I it was like when I started venturing, like because I started,
I entered the YouTube space and I like had a bit of a following,
and so I started traveling out and I think once I got to my hometown,
I kind of opened my eyes and I met this girl and I just
had a huge crush on her. I was just like, oh my gosh.
I was like, just like it was very a related response. Yes,
yeah, indeed were queer stammering is yeah yeah, so I think like
that's it was just kind of like, okay, I you know this is
I don't know. I feel like my video if you watch it, it
does revolve around that crush a lot, like the way I come out to
my friends. I was just so like infatuated. I kind of I really
honestly wanted to make a video for her, So I really So the way
I came out to my friends, for those who haven't seen it, was
I described my crush to them and made them draw them out, and they
all drew guys. And then at the end I shoot showed them a photo
off screen of my crush and they're all like, and so, yeah,
I really liked. I was like when I cause, I think I went
a period of the time where I stopped watching it because you know, and
then I was like, that's actually really a clever idea. I'm proud of
myself for coming with but yeah, and then when coming up with that,
I wanted to be very true to myself and like, so there's a lot
of coming I think at that time there had been a lot of coming up
videos on YouTube where people usually it's people sitting down in like a very raw
video. But I I wanted to, like my channel, make it like
a film, like I think, I'm like my my YouTube channel was a
Roman romanticization of my life, and I wanted it to feel like me and
I do think that's you know what I did. I I wanted to go
big. The way I came out to my family in it, I wrapped
my house in rainbow wrapping paper, but also wanted to be like raw,
I wanted to mix, you know, and I had like it's so crazy
because I'm I. I've been thinking about it like a little bit over the
past few months of like thinking back to that time because I'm now so like
open and like just like you know, so I feel so me and to
think back to then, like I would cry like every other night and be
like I can't, I can't, and they was just like this. So
it was so heavy and like it was so scary and and I don't know
why because I do know everyone was so I mean, I do know I
but like everyone was. I knew that no one would have a bad reaction.
I think it was just more of I wasn't very vulnerable with my family
and friends anyway, and it felt like a very very vulnerable thing to talk
about. And honestly, I came out. That was my way of coming
out to my to everyone in my life besides everyone who I came out to
in the video that was I didn't I kind of wanted to kill a bunch
of birds with one stone, like I didn't. I I just wanted I
feel like I'm I stutter over my words a lot, and so I feel
like that's why I use my YouTube videos. I like, I feel like
it was a way for me to share what I'm feeling and thinking, just
because I'm not very good, especially face to face. Like I'm like,
I'm just like all over the place. So it was just like my way
of, you know, perfectly articulating my my thoughts and feelings but hopefully answer
your question. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I mean I think,
I mean, I just I rewatched it today too, and I really understand
what you're saying about, Like I had a similar experience. I didn't I
didn't film it, Like that's so like vulnerable and like, so I can
understand why, like that was really hard for you. But when there's that
part of you really like talking about how difficult it is for you, like
you're scared what other people are going to think and all of that, Like
I understood that completely. Even being knowing, like even if you know,
like your brain knows, oh, like people are most likely going to be
supportive, there's a huge amount of like just society that makes it really hard,
even for people who are surrounded by people who are open, like and
it's just it is the time. I mean, there's like so much happening
inside of you, Like it's so much, and then you're like there's the
excitement of a new crush, but then there's also like, yeah, you're
terrified of like Okay, so I thought my life was going to look like
this, and it's not gonna look like that, and you're not quite sure
what that new life is going to look like. But then same thing.
I mean for us. I'm like, I'm like I was talking to my
girlfriend today about and I was like, yeah, it'd be so crazy if
like being gay was just like all you talked about, like joking. I'm
like, it's all like talking about it. You're like, sorry, I
gotta go make my big gay podcast? Am I gay? Oh? Sorry,
yeah, I gotta go film like lesbian podcast. But like so silly
it is. It is like in the moment, it is so difficult,
like so difficult. So I mean, I think just the fact that like
you could make that, and I think that that's been such a trend over
the past however many years, and like trend sounds like a bad word,
but I don't mean it in that way. Like I think it's great that
people like when people see those videos, they can see themselves, yeah,
and like hopefully even if they have a super visceral reaction to them to figuring
out themselves, they know that they're not the only person who's feeling that,
like oh yeah. I think that was something that was hard for me to
grasp as because I was like nineteen when I posted that. I don't think
it. I think only years later was I able to understand like how important
that is. Like I feel like a lot I've always had people come up
to me and be like, you're coming up. Video made me feel okay
to come out too, And I think it's like a hard concept to grasp
and I I never I don't think I understood until. I don't know,
Like I think the more you see representation, it's it's it's just like it's
it seems like a very obvious thing. But I don't know. The more
representation is happening on just everywhere online, TV, movies, I don't know,
like there is the shift, like I feel about I just even think
back to when I first came out versus now, I'm like, there's just
so much that has already change, and like, you know, we're headed
in a good direction, and I don't know. I think it's I'm very
happy. Like I think there was a period of time where I resented that
video. Not sure, I don't know why. I'm trying to remember why,
but I think it was just like I don't yeah, I don't know,
I don't know why I resented it now because now it seems like stupid
I resented it, But I'm like, I don't want to put words in
your mouth, but like, did you feel like it like pigeonholed you in
a way or no, like that it like sort of put you in a
box of like, yeah, you're like I've been creating all of this content
like yes, I am also gay. Yes, And also honestly, I
came out. I remember it was I came out I think prematurely because I've
like since then, I've realized I'm not by I'm gay, and I think
like that was something like I think there was definitely subconsciously I was feeling like
it was not the right label maybe and like also like with my family and
friends, it was like I came out and then I never talked about it
with them, Like it wasn't like we were comfortable, Like I still wasn't
very comfortable with my sexuality after I came out, and it was very confusing
because I was like this poster child for like the community when I wasn't able
to have like tell my mom I had a crush on a girl, you
know, like I So I think since moving to LA and just like you
know, becoming an adult, I think, like I'm just so much more
comfortable in my sexuality. Like everything I talk about is gay, like you
know, and that was true like a few years ago. So it's like
I'm so happy about how much more I'm comfortable in that. And I do
think, like, now that's why I don't resent it, because you know,
I love being yes, I mean yes, but it's also like sorry
because I'm gonna segue us back to the movie as well, but because I
feel like there's so many connections, and I think that's why, like the
the movie is super cute, and I think like resonates for a lot of
queer people is one of the things that was really interesting about it to me,
because I think there was a lot about it where it's like the style,
the filming, the fact that because it's set in the odds and so
it's like you know, the the wardrobe and stuff like I was, like,
I kept having flashbacks to like the web series because that was you know,
like the the like when I was in college, Like that was I
feel like high peak years of like queer rep only in web series and stuff
like that. So like the Anyone but Me years and like all those shows.
And what I think was interesting is that it's not those and I think
it's still made with a lot more of the sensibilities of like how much the
queer community and queer representation has changed since then and has grown since then in
a lot of ways. And some of the things that I actually really enjoyed
about it is it's like it's you don't have there's no coming out in there
right now. There's no like angsty like conversation about like what does it mean
that I feel this way? You're clearly into me. Let's unpack that like
that I feel like we had to do with so many shows at that time,
you know, of like what does this mean? What do you mean
you're gay? What does that even mean? Like you know, like that
kind of like the PSA styleness of it that isn't is just not there.
It's just not even there. And there's something that I actually thought was so
stinking cute about having this like missed connection style thing with the like clear gen
z Son who's like, oh my mom's probably gay, that's not the point
here, but like, yeah, maybe she was happy with you unknown lady
like I. And that to me just feels like so accurate, you know,
of like where a sixteen year old today would be. And I'm like,
that is so not where a sixteen year old was in two thousand and
two, you know, like that's those are worlds away from each other.
And I just thought that was really great, Like there was just something really
great about getting to watch like the clear flirting and vibes and like even still
like the you know like, oh we're clearly flirting and my boyfriend just walked
in awkwards. Oh my god. That scene killed me. Yeah. I
know it's a lot, but like, but that didn't have to become like
a oh my god, I'm into you when you're a girl. What does
that mean? The boyfriend being like who is that? Who is she?
Are you into girls? Now? What does that mean? Like there wasn't
any of that, you know, And it's like almost to be like,
yeah, like we don't have to put everyone into boxes. There's just like,
hey, I found this tape of like your clear summer crush that never
turned into anything. You still single, my mom is bye, Like no,
thank you. I mean, I appreciate it because that was intentional,
I think. I mean, I think all like those shows and films where
coming out aspect is involved, like I'm I think those are so great and
very important, but I do think we're shifting to where we don't have to
have that aspect in it. It can just be a love story. And
I wanted that. I wanted it to be especially very innocent between these two
girls because I don't think I mean, there's been heart stoppers between I just
watched the episode last night. I forget the character's names, but I think
like something for the girls was it's always been. That's kind of my goal
with my feature too. I don't think there's not a coming out aspect with
it there too, And I think that's like where we're headed. I feel
like more and more, at least in my life, I feel like the
no one feels the need to come out anymore. I feel like it's just
like it's just becoming so normalized. Yeah, at least, I mean,
I probably do live in a little bit of a bubble. But I do
think it's more and more and maybe if it's I don't know if for you
guys, but yeah, I mean I think that's very accurate. I feel
similarly but also like the same thing, like yeah, just around myself with
gay people. So like I'm not quite sure if that statement is accurate as
as widely spread, but I do think we talk about this a million times
on this podcast because like a big thread of our show is representation matters,
which like it does, so I do think like having more representation is just
gonna make yeah, people not be so like oh they're like, oh yeah,
this is just I like a girl and it's fine. Well, and
it's also like it's interesting because you're just talking about like you're coming up where
you're like, hey, I made this video. It's the most watched video
on my channel. I label myself a label that no longer applies to me,
you know, and I think it's something that like, I mean,
obviously I get it, like it's hard to steer away from you watch so
many shows and or like movies or whatever, and it's just like yeah,
like a character changes their label and you immediately got to slap a new one
on and know what it is, so that everybody's on the same page,
and it doesn't leave a lot of room for that like flexibility or change or
fluidity that I think that like we, especially as queer people, are like
really embracing more so than I think even our community has done in the past,
you know where it's like, yeah, the idea that people can't like
that your gender is going to be different like one day to the next,
or that like your sexuality can change and evolve and might be more related to
like the people that you're around and who you happen to meet or be attracted
to or fall in love with. Then like a strict like here's the bottle
I'm in and here's the like you know, okay, here's my name is
labeled like what I am today, Like yeah, you don't have to do
that, Like you don't have to. They didn't have to in reply,
like have you know this whole conversation being like, oh my god, I
have a boyfriend, but now I'm clearly flirting with this girl. What does
that mean I'm bisexual? Maybe I'm not is she gay? I don't even
know, Like it just doesn't matter, It doesn't relevant story. You're like
that girl wields some power tools, like Okay, let's gay. But I'm
saying, what's that? Because yeah, which is one of our favorite movies?
Do you like that movie? Yes? Good, such a good movie.
I'm such a gay movie. Listen. I'm just gonna say, based
on the early aughts rom com era things that you named as well, we
so we this is like a we're talking about a topic episode, but every
other week our our other episodes are a segment that we call should have been
gay, and many of them, many of the ones that you named,
we have covered. Y. Yeah, they don't date John date each other?
Yes, all four of you please, And so I'm just saying they
might be of interest, that's all. But yeah, no, no,
no, no, I I'm with you, Ellie. But also I just
think it was nice that it didn't. It was very nice. Didn't have
to go there. Before we wrap up? Can we discuss wardrobe in reply?
Yeah? Yes, just like number one love the wardrobe choices? Where
did you find them all? How did you make these choices? Because it's
very like of the time, and also signals to everyone that these girls are
queer. Yes, I mean I just had an amazing costume designer, Rossy
Sorkin. She she was, she was. She came with this huge deck
and because what I said to her was like, it's Wes Anderson esque,
I wanted to feel She's like, do you want us to actually feel like
they're in the two thousands? I'm like, I wanted to not. It
doesn't have to be like exactly what people wore in the two thousands, but
I wanted to feel like, yeah, it's like two thousands inspired, but
I wanted to feel like people would be able to wear it today, like
I wanted bringing it all back. Okay, yeah, I watch those overalls.
Give them to me. No. Yes, it's like I feel like
a bunch of people from the set took some of the costumes people wearing them.
No, yeah, they're's so great. It really complimented with the cinematography.
But yeah, no, she she killed it. I'm I'm obsessed with
the costume too. I feel like that's one of the top compliments I hear
from reply because it was just so good, Like you just could tell from
the second that Hayden, Yeah, on the screen. Yeah, just walks
on and you're like, yeah, you're just like the like crop top vibe,
the like beanie. At one point, I don't feel like like Hayden
was not wearing a beanie. I forget the other character's name, Casey.
Casey was wearing a beanie with like the tied ie with the overalls like that
look with only one strap on. Like that was just I love that you
remember it because it's making mental will buy this? Yeah, where can I
get it? Meanwhile, I was just having like like the flashbacks to like,
ah, Hayden's hair, I had that hair cut as well. Yeah,
yeah, there it is. There's the there's the short queer Bob.
Yeah, it was perfect. Anything else you want to let our listeners know
about Reply or any of your film work before we go to our qu and
gay reply. You can watch it on Creative plus dot com slash reply.
You can rent it and yeah, I think that's pretty much. It perfect
and it is for sure worth a watch, so cute, like get together
a little date watch it. It is short. I want to get warm.
It is short, but I will say like it's a perfect. It's
perfect for like an early lesbian date, right, because it's like watch it.
It's like about the time you would start making out you were watching a
full length feature, So like watch the fifteen minutes and then have the rest
of your date like pick up the girl in the back watch reply yes,
so cute. All right, let's go to our qu and gay you ready
cue que que cute? Kay? Question number one, have you ever had
the one who got away? A? Yes? B? No? Or
see this sounds creepy, but they never got away. We never got away?
Yeah, all right, perfect? You know what? Question two?
Now you you can be biased as you want answering this, but we'll also
put these up on our Twitter for our listener's answers. So question two,
what's your favorite l Mills video? Out of a coming out? Be what
happened to el Mills? Or c reply or you can do another write in
or you can write in yeah, YouTube video. Oh, I'd say from
YouTube videos my first kiss? Okay, like things I haven't like directed like
there wasn't a crew like just me. I'm gonna add it as an option,
yeah, and then I'd say, I guess reply reply that's fair,
nice all right. Question number three, what's your favorite ats throwback a VHS
tapes, B flip phone or C boot cut jeans VHS tapes. Yes,
I have a bunch of my room. I have like that that that that
TV that Sam like the he uses. That's fine. Yeah, it's like
six inches sixes six inch nice, nice, amazing. Question four, where
would your meet cute happen? A trader Joe's b home depot, see queer
bar, bathroom or d terror reading I think or reading out of all those?
Have you had a meet cute and an interesting place? Ever? Like
what's the weirdest? Nothing like frezing? No, nothing crazy? I guess
like, yeah, no, have you other than the bar bathroom? Melly,
what do you get? I no, I was just curious. It's
a good question. Pretty mounded. Ellie's like people are just hitting on me
everywhere I go. No, it's hard to remember. Stop it ahead.
I can't walk out my front door my front door. Yes, no,
I'm just kidding. I'll think on that. I'll think on that. I
got nothing all right, Oh wait, no, I do have a good
one. But it was no, but it was straight so it was really
like, ah no, and I wants to hear that. Come on,
it was it was like the year before I came out, and it was
actually like the coolest meet cute. It was like when I was in New
York City and this and I like had I had just gotten back from an
audition and I was in this like cute dress and I was really feeling myself
and I saw this guy on the train and he was he was very cute,
so it wasn't like I was actually like quote unquote straight. And I
looked at him and he looked at me. And then I got off the
train and I was walking outside of the train station and he had followed me.
That sounds so creepy, but he followed me, but I wanted him
to like I had looked at him in a way that said like hey,
and then he asked me on a date on the streets of New York.
Oh my god. Yeah. And then I went on and date with him
and I had gay panic and I came up like three weeks later. I
love it. Wait is it bad that now? I'm pretty sure actually my
like legit only meet cute in my life is also straight and also immediately proceeds
me coming out because I went on I went on a college tour and met
this kid on my college tour who was also like super into me, and
I think we exchanged like aim handles and then started dating over aim and then
he was supposed to he was supposed to come to my prom with me,
like I had asked him to like be my prim He lived in a different
state like he I was. I think he lived in New Hampshire. Yeah,
so he like drove down like to Connecticut to like go on a couple
of dates with me, and then he I like invited him to prom and
he was supposed to come to prom, and then I had to have a
whole plan of like I have to tell this kid I am not taking him
to prom because I am taking a girl. Whoops. So anyways, go
meet cutes making making people gay, making people for the gaze only Actually so
sorry. He was very nice, but so was the guy I dated.
Yeah he's it's not right, all right. Question number five? Who would
you have chased on a bus? A Jonahs Brothers, B Backstreet Boys,
C, Spice Girls or D One Direction U Jonas Brothers. Yes, I
feel like I should have added some like older options. I know, I
know we have listeners who are gonna be like I am too old for all
of these, The Beatles, too old of an option, the begs,
who would you have chased? Yeah? I feel like, yeah, who
would I have chased? In the seventies, I would still chase Carol King.
That's like so Mama's, Mama's and the Papas. Yeah, yeah,
could have chased. The sixties was a good time for music. Let's be
real. But I would definitely. I already chased the Jones brothers, and
I would definitely chase this vice girls. Great answers, all right, great
answers, truck you and gay remember everyone, you can give us your own
answers to his episodes Q and gay Questions on our Twitter at Let's Hangout pot
Elle, Thank you so much for hanging out with us. Let all of
our listeners know if they if they don't know, where can they find you?
Where can they find your stuff? Yeah? You can. I pretty
much just use Instagram, Instagram, dot com, slash l dot Mills,
and then YouTube if you want to check out some of my work, YouTube
dot com, slash eld Theemills. But more importantly, we want to watch
my short film reply CREDI plus dot com slash reply Yes, I will share
that link with all of you. Any other new projects coming up or you're
working on your feature and I can my feature. I think there. I
mean I'm working on like I'm directing something pretty cool. But I don't think
by this time this is out I can share that. I think. But
I wrote an essay for The New York Times kind of talking about the stuff
that we were talking about with what happened El Mills, and I think that
will be out by the time this is out. And that's my first time
like writing. I don't know. It was like really weird writing it because
I'm like, it was like it was like very therapeutic but also reminded me
of school, so so interesting. But yeah, I think that will be
out. But thank you so much hanging out with this. This has been
so fun. Thank you so much. I had a lot, a lot
of fun. I like that. I like the questions, good questions,
good, good, weird questions. We've done it. Let me hear you
say. We love hearing from you in building community, so we want to
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Can I can I tell you what's so funny? I honestly I had
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