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Les hang and let's talk about with
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Lesbie and show Bless Bless hang Out. Hey everyone, welcome back to Let's

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Hangout, the podcast that caught your
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And I'm pretty sure there might have
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Please reach out. I'm any reply
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I'm Lee Holmes Foster and from the
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To those of you who've been with
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event that was planned for February sixteenth. If you did buy tickets for that,

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events because these we've just been seeing
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our next trivia event for Yellow Jackets. So we're planning a trivia event for

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the Yellowjackets premiere that will be all
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season two to kick up. So
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at six pm Eastern, three pm
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to see you all there, yes, and afterwards we'll all watch the show

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together, which would be really fun. In the Greater Las Universe. Janel

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Mone's new track drops February sixteenth.
It is called Aloat. We cannot wait.

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It's been many years since a new
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excited and Janell Money is just there
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shout out at the Grammys that Unholy
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So shouting out both Sam Smith and
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trans woman to win in that category. And Sam Smith obviously also non binary,

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so just queer wins all around,
Queer all around. Also, that

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song is a banger. Love it
about. That's what's happening this week.

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Back to you, Ellien Lee.
Thanks Ellien Lee. We are so excited

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to bring you episode thirteen of season
six missed Queer Nections and we I really

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I had to like get my mouth
around that one. And we are joined

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by oh no, already out the
gate, I'm ignoring Ellie. And we

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are joined by a very special guest
today, El Mills, who's one of

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the most buzzed about content creators on
YouTube. She's a following of over three

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point one million across all social platforms. She's a true storyteller, creating short

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films on YouTube that speak to the
awkward and hilarious coming of age experience in

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today's society, and now is writing
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in the traditional filmmaking space. She
just released her directorial debut short film Reply,

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that's been acquired by Creator Plus and
won the festival on a reward at

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Buffer Festival. Oh my gosh,
ell Hi, welcome, Hello, Hello,

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thank you for having me. We
are so excited to have you here

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and super excited to talk about your
new short film. Why don't you just

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tell our audience a little bit about
your short film Reply. So Reply is

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a queer romance. It's said in
the two thousands. It's kind of inspired

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because I grew up loving two thousands
romance films, and so I kind of

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wanted, like the dream was always
to make a queer one. So about

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this boy who makes this film after
finding a bunch of his mom's old videotapes

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from the summer of two thousand and
six, where some before she went to

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college, and as like a last
project before leaving her hometown, she decides

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to build a treehouse and during the
process, she meets her new neighbor and

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things happened. I'm not pretty good
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is definitely a good explanation. I
definitely got those vibes from it. Of

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the two thousand stuff, what's your
favorite? What are your favorite like two

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thousands rom coms? I know that's
a difficult question. I think my guilty

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pleasures John Sucker must Die. I
don't know. Yes, yes, classic,

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I love the Lizzie MacGuire movie.
Yep, classic, Gosh what else?

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What else? What do you guys
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lot. But for me, well, I don't know if this is is

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this even the two thousands? Maybe
this is the nineties? Ten things I

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hate about you? Yes, oh
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like our obsession when I was in
high school, I cause my comfort

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watches with my best friend were Princess
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an era, an era of filmmaking. Yes, yes, yes,

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I think too. There's part of
your YouTube channel you've compared yourself to like

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Ferris Bueller two, right, which
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I think even when when we got
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it about like the John Hughes of
you I'm Sorry, which yeah, I

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love. No, Yeah, I
mean it was like I found it hard

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to explain my video style, and
so I feel like I kind of nerrod

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over the years and narrated it down
to imagine if Fierce Bueller had a YouTube

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channel. I think it's the easiest
way to get it across the people who

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have no clue. I love it
and like watching watching it had those good

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nostalgia vibes plus the queerness. Maybe
you can't tell us about any of your

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newer projects, but are you thinking
about trying to make a more long form

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queer rom com at some point?
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the past year I've been I think
after making Reply, because that was my

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first time writing and directing, and
it's been kind a big dream of mine,

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but I've always been afraid to jump
into it, just because I haven't

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gone to film school. I don't
really know like all the technical side of

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things. But after that it kind
of really turned my life upside down,

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and I've been working and writing for
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isn't a long form of Reply.
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sets the world in the heart of
like kind of what a queer romance from

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me would look like. And so
yeah, hopefully I'm I'm working on like

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the third draft of it, so
been experiencing you writer's block, but hopefully

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I'll be done in the next few
months. Yeah, that's awesome. I

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watched some of the videos on your
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it definitely seems like a it makes
sense as next steps for you because even

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in your like older YouTube videos,
I feel like just like your editing is

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more film style in a way,
even for the like more this is a

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YouTube video. I think you that. I just feel like you have a

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good eye for it. That's my
I think compliment to you. That's all.

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Yes, let's talk a little bit, just like about the missed queer

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nextion of it All, which is
the title of this episode, because you

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know, I don't want to super
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I guess we sort of happy to
have this conversation. But basically the storyline,

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right is that these two girls meet
form this connection that is clearly very

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queer, but one of them has
a boyfriend. Is like this is the

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path that my life quote unquote should
take, and they sort of missed that

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opportunity. Have you had any experiences
like that that informed this where it's no,

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No, I didn't want to say
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okay. I mean I've definitely had
like it. I would say connections I

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were never meant to be, you
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yeah, when I look back now, I mean like at the time,

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obviously I'm like like I'm always like
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looking back in hindsight, I think
all of them, yeah, weren't meant

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to be. Yeah, I feel
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maturity in that right of like you
could it's like quote unquote the one that

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got away. But then like in
your current life, like, actually,

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no, I'm good, that's great, Ellie. What are you saying about

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our meet cute over the oat milk? I know, well, we miss

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we missed our momently and it's never
coming back again. It's gone. Now,

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It's okay, it's fine. I
love Actually, let's I'm like,

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let's do a let's do a quick
exercise that maybe I will completely not be

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able to do. What's the gayest
misconnection? Lee made a good one at

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the beginning, Like it can be
completely fake, but like, what's the

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gayest this connection you can think of? I'm like, I saw you in

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line at the Haley Kyoko concert.
I was wearing con black converts with a

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rainbow on the side, and I
was with my girlfriend at the time.

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But it's like just gay gay gay, Okay. I feel like it's going

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to be like we were in the
bathroom of oh bathroom is lesbian bar,

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and you needed a tampon and like, but I think our fingers brushed when

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I handed it to you, and
like there might have been a spark there.

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Yes, yeah, I'm here for
it. El, What about you?

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What do you think? I don't
know if god, oh gosh,

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I'm so like I'm really bad at
improv, Like I was on the improv

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suven high school and we got last
place. I think like there's like two

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or three Okay, Oh, that's
not too bad. That's not that's not

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bad. Yeah, that's still meddling. That's fine. Yeah, you really

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got to bronze medal even for yes, so you're fine. You gotta you

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gotta turn that spin on for that
like I was third place in my improv

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team, and yeah, there you
go. I'm gonna tell a quick story.

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You think about it, write it
down, Okay. So I'm just

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gonna keep thinking it more. We'll
be here. Sorry. The bathroom just

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sparks something for me. I'm really
excited for this story. So this is

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not this is not a miscrennection for
me. This is somebody else who thinks

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that I'm their miscrennection. But this
story just cracks me up every time.

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And it's so it's actually bad.
Okay. So I was in the bathroom

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at a gay bar, right and
this girl so on with that, Like,

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this girl comes up to me and
she goes. I went up to

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her and I was like, are
you waiting for anyone? Okay? And

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I I was thinking, like,
are you waiting for anyone? Or are

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you in line for the bathroom?
Like I just need to know if I

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can use this stall, right,
And she's like yes, okay. So

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I go to the bathroom. I
do not think about that interaction at all.

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Month or two later, this girl
messages me on Instagram and is like,

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Hey, I just wanted to let
you know I was so upset when

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you said are you waiting for someone? And I unfortunately had to say yes,

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but I'm not with that girl anymore. So, like I figured she

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thought that was your one, and
I was like, it was not.

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It was not meant to be.
It was not meant to be. But

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that has stuck with me forever.
So whenever I am in the line for

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the bathroom, like, I can't
use that phrase, I'm like you like

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lesbians are like either they you were
hitting on them and they have no clue,

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or you said the most yeah,
not hitting on you yeah, or

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you like bumped into them and you
were like, oh sorry and they were

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like the love of my life.
Yes. But the fact that she thought

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about it for months wow months and
then I don't know, I don't know

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she found me on Instagram because I
did not talk to this person. I

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said that one sentence to her and
are you are you questioning lesbian's ability?

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I know, like you know it's
enough to but that was you could be

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a fan. That was something else. Yeah, oh yeah, are you

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waiting for someone? For someone?
That's a move. That's that's the move.

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Go in the bathroom, listen up
in the bathroom. You asked me,

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what's I waiting for someone I unfortunately
was like that's the kicker too,

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where she was so sad. She
was like, I'm like that poor girl

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she was with too. That was
something. Yeah, have you thought of

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anything else? Okay, I just
was all I've got gotten is gay astrology.

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So ok, strology. You read
my terror cards last week? Yeah?

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Yeah, yes, got the lover's
card done. Yeah, that's it,

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It's perfect, thanks guys, stereotype. That's all. You just gotta

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be like. We were at the
dog park and your German shepherd really loves

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Yeah, I mean you gotta there's
like too many. We were at the

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ms pc A. I was waiting
with my cat to go to the to

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go to the emergency room, and
you were waiting with the cat of the

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same color. Okay, I'm also
I'm going to tie us back to the

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movie. Now. We were at
home depot. I was picking up lumber.

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You were working at home depot obviously. Yeah. Okay. On that

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note, are you a crafty gay? Like could you have built that treehouse?

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Oh? No, literally not at
all. I'm not good So you

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would have been with my hands,
but not good craft. Everyone disregarded that

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last thing. Bleep. It out, So you would have been what what

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was she doing? Hammer? Yes, CRUs, Yes, I would have

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been. I do feel like every
relationship though, like as you have the

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inn and the yang, you need
the gay who cannot build and the gay

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who can build. Because that's me
and my girlfriend, Like she's a home

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depot lesbian and I watch Cheerleader.
Yeah, and you're doing you're doing great,

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sweetie. Yeah, literally me and
my girlfriend too. She like completely

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renovated a whole that's cool. Not
me. Yeah, I got it.

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But yeah, you need you need
both, like otherwise your house is going

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to have just a bunch of like
uncomplete furniture, uncomplete incomplete furniture. Well,

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actually I can build furniture. If
there's instructions, I can so the

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Ikea furniture you can use, but
not I can do that. Yeah,

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very proud of myself able to do
that. We we had. I had

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this idea which honestly you can take
if you want to use it for your

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YouTube channel, because I will never
do it that. It was a dating

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show plus Ikea with lesbians, so
you give to It's like a blind date,

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right, two queer people have to
make Ikea furniture together and at the

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end they decide if they're compatible and
they want to go. I like that,

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that's really cute, but I will
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a recipe for disaster. That's the
thing. If they start fighting, it's

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not meant to be. Yeah,
if they actually successfully complete the furniture,

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they could be so yeah, yes, exactly. You actually the end of

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the show. By the end of
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that they could put it in a
house. Yes, yeah, So you

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have to keep progressing through the levels
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and then you build a house and
then you haul together and then you live

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in that house. Listen, can
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thought so in the movie the first
time that you meet Hayden's character, right,

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she's like moving out of her little
U haul. I legit thought that

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she was. I thought they were
gonna like need to borrow, like she

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would need to borrow her U haul
and then they would meet Like I was

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waiting for, like the U haul
scene, like driving it and just being

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like ugh, lesbians in a U
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it, But I'm really instead,
we home depot and I think that's equally

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good. Yeah, also valid.
I never have noticed, Yeah, the

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U haul like the building. I
never made that connection. I guess I

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was just subconscious. Yeah, I
mean, if you're going to write a

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queer love story, it's just like
it just flows. It just makes sense.

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Yeah, let's talk a little bit
about your like YouTube to to film

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journey, because I just also watched
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What is it what happened to al
Mills? Yes? Is that the Yeah,

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And I would love for you to
just speak on that and speak about

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your experience because it really resonated with
me. Yeah. So I made a

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it's kind of my last video,
and I wanted to I don't know,

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because I didn't want it to be
this thing of like fuck YouTube like it

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was. It's never it's never been
that. But yeah, I've been doing

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YouTube since I was like a kid, but like full time as a teenager,

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and so I kind of grew up
on camera and there were a lot

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of things like consequences that I'm still
dangling with because of the success of that.

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I don't know, like all of
my relationships. I'm really condensing my

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life this story. Yeah, but
yeah, like I think there's also like

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that that YouTube grind. I don't
know, once you ride that heights,

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like it's like addicting and it's you
I don't know, there's like a lot

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of crazy stuff I was doing and
pushing myself, and like, I don't

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know, there there was just like
I guess, like a lot of the

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things that I think because of like
my career, I you know, I

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started experience panic attacks and it became
depressed and and I was unsure why because

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I've like ever since I was a
kid, I've loved making stuff. I've

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loved creating, and so it was
very confusing, and it was also not

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great that I was experiencing all all
that publicly. And so I mean,

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over the course of the years,
I've I've kind of been very vocal about

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like that burnout. I made a
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years ago called burnt Out in nineteen
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was very great, Like I was very

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impulsive about documenting my life as a
teenager, and I've e there's like videos

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of me having mental breakdowns like online, and that Burnt Out in nineteen has

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kind of shows that and like what
the behind the scenes of my career was

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looking like. So yeah, I
mean all of that. Like, I

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think it's just once the pandemic hit, I think it's like I mean,

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for everyone, it kind of just
changed everything. I think it put things

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in perspective for me, and I
taking some time away realize I'm like,

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uh, this is I don't know, it just wasn't for me anymore.

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But I still love creating, and
so I wrote the script because I had

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time too. And but then I
made and I think that's when I kind

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of decided. I was like,
I think it's time to shift and end

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this chapter of my life because I
feel like YouTube is like my my college

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years, my teenage years, and
you know, I think I think it

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needs to be normalized on YouTube that
I think it's okay to leave and like

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and on a good note, you
know, I don't want to. I'm

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not enjoying it. And the reason
I started YouTube was like, I didn't

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I didn't make money for the first
few years on it. I was just

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very I just loved making stuff.
And by the end I realized I wasn't

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enjoying that and I was doing it
for the money. So it's like,

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okay, it's time to I don't
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I'm rambling, but no, it's
okay, we're just listening. I mean

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yeah, no, it makes a
lot of sense, and it is like

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very I think it's a side of
social media that we're starting to talk more

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about because a lot of the like
a lot of these social media platforms are

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still pretty young when you think about
it. Yes, right, so like

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people like you who started on YouTube
when they were young, It's like it

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makes sense that, like that's so
stressful to be in the public eye like

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that from a young age. And
I'm personally glad that you're not at a

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young age. I mean yeah,
I mean even yeah, even as adults,

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it's like so stressful to be putting
yourself under a microscope. Yeah,

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but I'm glad that you're that you've
reframed that for yourself because I'm like,

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I'm a performer, and like I
feel like I understand that when you're like,

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why is something that I love not
feel good anymore? And it's really

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important to take a minute to be
like, Okay, I do love this,

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and here's how I'm gonna like really
make sure I'm I'm doing this because

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I love it. I mean it's
like also like with like YouTube and just

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social media in general, like you
are the product, you know, and

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that's and that becomes dangerous because like
on yourself forth becomes so intertwined with your

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career and it's it's, uh,
that's a you know, dangerous thing.

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Well and that's and it's I mean, I guess invasive is like the first

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word that's coming to mind too to
like I mean, I'm I'm just thinking

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even of like I know, I
talked to we put out a musical last

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year, like a podcast musical,
so like a like a Broadway show but

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make it a podcast. And I
was talking to Jasmine Savoy Brown, who

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starred opposite Ellie in it, and
because I wrote all the music for it,

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and she now is i mean obviously
has like her acting career, but

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is also doing a lot more music
and stuff, and I was like,

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I was talking to her about writing
music, and I was like, I

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am just like I'm always in awe
of people who just like write their own

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stuff and then like perform it them
selves, like with like just songs where

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you're like, here's a song that
I wrote, like about my life and

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stuff, and I'm like, could
not not a chance. And I you

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know, I'm like I love writing
music for us, like for the the

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stuff we do. I'll write Ellie
songs. I'm like, Ellie, I

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will so happily write you a song
like whatever you want, Like, I'll

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write it for you. The idea
of like writing a song about like me

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and then just like putting it out
there, I'm like, oh my god,

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that feels like so like that hits
too close to home. I'm like

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the idea of spending like your entire
teenage years with just like putting your whole

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like life out on camera like that, Like yeah, I mean that's just

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it is we take for granted.
I think the idea that people are even

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willing to do that now because that's
not that's not a thing that used to

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exist, you know, Like that's
yeah, that's a pretty recent development in

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like human kind's history that I don't
think we are evolved for yet really,

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you know, yeah for sure.
And I just think like YouTube and social

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media in general like really promotes this
idea of like sharing your vulnerability. And

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I totally get what you're saying about
like music and stuff, Like I feel

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like with my YouTube videos that was
like kind of my art form, and

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I wanted to be vulnerable and I
wanted like that was my way of expressing

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myself. And yeah, I mean
like I feel like vulnerability also equals like

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views. People want to see,
people want to be it's it is invasive,

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people want to like get a peek
in. And I think that was

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like the biggest thing I learned,
The one lesson I've took from this whole

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experience was not everyone deserves your vulnerability. And I think, and it's tricky

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because I feel like with art it
is like it is about being vulnerable.

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It is about you know, putting
a piece of yourself in it. Yeah,

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and I felt like with YouTube it
was a little blurry because it required

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a lack of privacy. And that's
why when I finally found the confidence for

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filmmaking, it was this way of
telling stories that wasn't that the expense of

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my privacy. I don't know,
there's like a I feel a peace.

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There's this anxiety over the past few
years that I just couldn't get rid of,

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and I feel like it's like,
you know, it's kind of simmer

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down. I'm obviously really I'm pretty
anxious person, but it's a different kind

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of anxiety. Yeah, yeah,
no, it is, and that there's

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like such a double edged side to
it where it's like, if you're not

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vulnerable for people, you're not real, you know, like you lose that

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piece of humanity that allows people to
like see you as a real person.

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But like it's that's such a that's
such a high cost to ask of people

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to remember that. It's like,
oh yeah, there's like a human person

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on the other side of this.
But so yeah, I mean I totally

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agree with Ellie. I think like
the pivot into being able to like tell

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stories that don't have to be your
own, you know. And that's why,

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like I actually love that. It's
like, oh, have you had

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like this kind of misconnection story and
you're like no, And I'm like,

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oh my god, like perfect because
please, yeah, like get Like I

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think especially with like your first film, like starting out with like having some

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separation, you know, so it's
so you don't have to come out and

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just be like, oh, yeah, here's how it's based on my story

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of this, because it's like that's
exactly the same thing and this they're you

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know, like, yeah, having
that buffer is probably gonna be great.

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And also it's such a cute fucking
story. Like I don't know, I

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just I really enjoyed it. It
gave me strong I mean a because I

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think it does appeal to like that
era, especially like I don't know why

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seeing someone on a flip phone like
brought me so much joy. Yeah,

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I'm like, where did you dig
up a flip phone? Like? Did

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you just like itself? The v
I that killed me? I'm like,

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where did this? I'm sorry?
This kid is supposed to be what sixteen

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gen z? I'm like, where's
he digging up the little TV with the

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built in tape player? You can
order that Amazon? Oh you probably?

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Yeah, that's right right. My
mom is trying to get me to convert

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all of our home videos, which
is like the like there's places that you

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just pay them to do drop off. It is way too defensive. You

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we have hundreds and it costs you
like one hundred dollars to do two.

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Oh it does not, no,
but it is expensive one hundred dollars to

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do ten. All right, fine, it's too expensive, so I will

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be using my labor. But how
did you do it? Because it is

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difficult to do? Was this thing
called il Gato. Like it was basically

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like I used my computer to like
I had to connect an Algada connector thing

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and to like a VHS player and
then it like went straight to the computer

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and then you can record screen record
the video and auto but you have to

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like watch the whole thing. Yeah, and that's why because I we don't

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have a working VCR. So I
had to try to buy one on Amazon,

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and there's a bunch, but it's
difficult to find when that's still works,

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Like I feel like I ordered one
and then it still doesn't work.

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No, I know, I wonder
what happened to Like my parents sold their

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house, like the house that I
that we lived in when I was in

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like middle school, high school and
stuff. They sold that house, uh

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last year, and they they were
just like I'm over this, Like they

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just sort of washed their hands the
whole thing. They like brought in a

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guy who will be like I'll run
in a state sale and just like sell

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all your shit and if I can't
sell it, like I'll get rid of

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it and he gets to keep the
money from whatever. And I'm like,

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dude, I know that there were
like I like, I know they saved

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a bunch of stuff like they like, you know, kept a bunch of

407
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:32.200
stuff that they wanted to keep.
And I'm sure we kept like a bunch

408
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:34.599
of home videos. But I'm like
there must have just been like random tapes

409
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:40.599
full of like, oh, we
like recorded the Gilmour Girls episode from the

410
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:44.839
week on this VCR tape to like
watch it later because we weren't home.

411
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.200
There must have just been like random
ass tapes And I'm like, who got

412
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.480
those? Like where are they now? Happened? Just watching your home videos?

413
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:55.839
Right? Yeah, I think we
kept the home videos. I feel

414
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:59.720
like we probably kept the home videos. But like Elle, you have said

415
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.119
that you like created stuff forever,
like since you were young. Do you

416
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:07.240
remember like the first thing you ever
filmed or edited like that was not on

417
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.480
YouTube? You know what I mean? That was just like for fun.

418
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:15.480
Me and my siblings always made music
videos nice, specifically Disney Channel, so

419
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:22.039
like like Joe bros Camp Rock High
Musical. Yeah. I started off with

420
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:26.079
Windows movie making, oh my god, yeah, and then transitioned to like

421
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.599
my dad got me like MacBook,
and then like did I movie. So

422
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:32.880
we just used to like, oh, like that was our favorite thing to

423
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:37.960
do, just in our free time
together. So you were you were dancing

424
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:44.359
and singing in these music videos.
Were you writing a new story channel songs.

425
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:47.759
No, it would be like my
sister. We using my little brother

426
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:51.319
a lot, so he would always
be the guy and then my my sister

427
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:55.160
would be the girl in it.
And then like we would just like I

428
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:59.160
don't know, like i'm I'm.
We would try to like replicate the videos.

429
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:01.039
I'd say, like I remember,
like there's like an SOS by the

430
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:04.880
Jonahs Brothers, Like I remember,
I remember, Like we would just do

431
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.799
by scene by scene and it would
we started off like we didn't have an

432
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:12.559
editing software at first. In the
camera my mom had you could like clip

433
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.680
the clips together if you record one
clip and then you record another clip,

434
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.160
and then you could combine the clips
on the camera itself. And so that's

435
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.079
how we would do it. We
would like record each scene. But yeah,

436
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:23.920
it would be just like I don't
know, random like sometimes we would

437
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:28.119
do dances. So I mean it
was a mix. It was a variety.

438
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.160
I love it. I need to
watch the SOS music video now,

439
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.319
did you? I mean I've deaf
with the Giants brothers. Oh my god,

440
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.039
I was obsessed with the Jonah's brothers. I went to a Jonah's Brothers.

441
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:43.279
I've told the story before, Lee
knows it, but I chased their

442
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:49.960
bus. That's my dream I would. I went to one of their shows.

443
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:52.200
I was in high school. Actually, Demi Levado opened for them,

444
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:57.920
which was amazing, and I do
remember that. I was like they'd just

445
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:02.039
been in school of rock, and
I remember I was like, Demi's so

446
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:06.000
good. But then the Jonas Brothers
came on and I was like ah.

447
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:09.519
And then at the end of the
concert, all of these like prepubest and

448
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:15.839
teenage girls like crowd around and like
head towards back, and I just feel

449
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:20.160
like I mindlessly followed everyone, and
then all of a sudden, their bus

450
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:22.559
was coming. I saw Nick in
the front of the bus in a white

451
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:29.000
tea and then everyone started running.
I started running. We're all screaming,

452
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.200
and I feel like afterwards, I
felt like I was in a trance,

453
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.119
Like I almost like slapped out of
it and was like, wait, what

454
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:42.039
just happened? Like it was oh, that's my dream mania, Like that's

455
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.240
how I can only describe it.
Yeah. So yes, and I actually

456
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:52.200
saw them on their most recent tour. I definitely did when I was old,

457
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:54.599
so no, I did too.
I mean I wish, I wish

458
00:33:54.640 --> 00:34:00.519
I saw them like during that era, like they're like two yes, no

459
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:04.920
that that was like the things I
would do to go to like teleport back

460
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:08.039
because I lived in Hong Kong at
that time, so they weren't coming over

461
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:13.079
there. But I love them so
much. But whenever they like got back

462
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.199
because they broke up and they got
back together, I was like me and

463
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.000
my sister, I'm like, we
are going, I'm spending whatever. And

464
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:20.880
I met them. I bought meet
and greet tickets and oh my god,

465
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:23.360
went round. Then I did the
second night for the VIP bar, like

466
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:27.000
I was like, I'm gonna live
out, like this is not gonna happen

467
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:30.960
again. But that's awesome, honestly, good for you. I didn't run

468
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:35.599
after their bus the second time,
but I was very happy at that concert.

469
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:38.519
I'm not gonna lie I knew all
the I love concerts. I'm like,

470
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:40.800
it's very rare. I'm at a
concert where I know like all the

471
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:45.360
songs. So yeah, it was
a really good good time. Honestly,

472
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:49.239
they are so good, Like I'm
not ashamed. Yep, sorry, Lee,

473
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:52.480
are you not? It's not even
that. I just feel like it

474
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:59.119
was a different era for me.
I'm like clearly aging myself here that I'm

475
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:02.280
like, it's okay, I was
I think I was too old for like

476
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:08.000
the hype who who would you have
run? Let's say you would ever screaming?

477
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:13.719
Okay, well yes, okay,
well yes, same same. I

478
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:17.519
would definitely run after the Spice Girls. Yeah, but like the Spice Girls

479
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:22.000
at the what was so you just
okay, okay, well you just said

480
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:24.440
you thought the Jonas Brothers peak was
what like two thousand and eight? Yeah,

481
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:29.159
okay, so that's the year I
graduated from college. Yeah, you

482
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.000
wouldn't have been running after I mean
it would have been like it was just

483
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:37.760
I was a little past that era
of time. I would say for me,

484
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:44.360
the Spice Girl's peak was like what
like late nineties, yes, maybe

485
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:47.320
probably yeah, ninety eight, ninety
nine, right, Yeah, Like I

486
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:51.039
would say that was kind of like
their peak time. So like yeah that

487
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:52.880
for me, I would have been
like twelve thirteen, like that's yeah,

488
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:59.760
yeah, nice, It's just a
different seven Spice Worlds came out. Yeah,

489
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:02.760
so I was ten. Yeah that
feels right right, like we are

490
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.159
just talking about random ship. But
I love it. I started a new

491
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:12.280
band. It's called the Fems,
and we're all women and non binary people,

492
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.320
and so our whole thing is that
we're only doing music by women and

493
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:20.000
non binary artists. And we had
a rehearsal last week where we did Spice

494
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.840
Up Your Life amazing and it was
the highlight of my entire life. Like

495
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:29.800
I've never I've only ever sung that
song by myself, well not by myself

496
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:32.800
really but probably with my sister when
we were just like in a car or

497
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:37.960
like dancing in our room. So
to hear like a live band play Spice

498
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:44.679
Up Your Life? Was this some
other is relevant to my interests. That's

499
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:46.559
under the video, dude, see. But that's the thing is like you're

500
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:50.400
not ashamed of the Jonahs brothers,
Like I'm still not ashamed of loving spice

501
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:54.480
girls. Like they're fucking bobs.
They're bobs. I once I like missed

502
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:58.639
my exit driving home from college one
time because I was like trying. It

503
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.639
was back when you had to like
have whatever converter to like plug your foot

504
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:07.679
like thing into your uh you had
the little like tape deck converter for your

505
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.480
iPod I think, or something like
in my car and I was like switching

506
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:15.480
Spice Girl CDs like on my on
my like giant brick of an iPod iPod

507
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:21.639
and missed my exit driving high just
because I was I was rocking out.

508
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:25.960
I'm like a top of my lungs
singing along every song. Yeah, Spice

509
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:29.719
Girls, man, they can still
get it. I'm just waiting. I

510
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.519
think they're coming. Are they coming
back onto our because I need to see

511
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:37.679
them before I die. I you
know, listen, I honestly I would

512
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.840
see them. Let a girl dream. Okay, that's all I'm gonna say.

513
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:49.800
I would really dead. Okay,
sorry about this, So let's get

514
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:52.639
sort of back on track to whatever
we were going to talk about. Who

515
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:57.079
knows. I want to talk about
another one of your videos because it's I

516
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.360
feel like one of your more most
iconic ones, and we can't not talk

517
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.559
about it before we end our interview. But I would love to talk about

518
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:08.280
your coming out video because that's like, at least for me, I think

519
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:13.679
that's the first video I ever saw
of yours. Tell it, I guess,

520
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:15.360
just like tell us about what that
was like for you, because you

521
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:20.360
were making videos before that. Uh
huh no. Yeah, Well it's also

522
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:24.559
interesting I'm like, I'm because my
coming out video is my most popular video

523
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:28.599
and I come out as buying it. But you know, since then,

524
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.159
I'm like definitely geh. But I'm
like I can't do like a mass update,

525
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.119
like I don't know how to update
people. But no, yeah,

526
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.880
I when I I remember, oh
gosh, that was like twenty seventeen.

527
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:44.360
So I it was like when I
started venturing, like because I started,

528
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:47.119
I entered the YouTube space and I
like had a bit of a following,

529
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:51.639
and so I started traveling out and
I think once I got to my hometown,

530
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.480
I kind of opened my eyes and
I met this girl and I just

531
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:58.679
had a huge crush on her.
I was just like, oh my gosh.

532
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.639
I was like, just like it
was very a related response. Yes,

533
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:12.000
yeah, indeed were queer stammering is
yeah yeah, so I think like

534
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:15.280
that's it was just kind of like, okay, I you know this is

535
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:20.719
I don't know. I feel like
my video if you watch it, it

536
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.400
does revolve around that crush a lot, like the way I come out to

537
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:28.719
my friends. I was just so
like infatuated. I kind of I really

538
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.960
honestly wanted to make a video for
her, So I really So the way

539
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:34.840
I came out to my friends,
for those who haven't seen it, was

540
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:39.159
I described my crush to them and
made them draw them out, and they

541
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.719
all drew guys. And then at
the end I shoot showed them a photo

542
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:49.079
off screen of my crush and they're
all like, and so, yeah,

543
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:51.800
I really liked. I was like
when I cause, I think I went

544
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:53.800
a period of the time where I
stopped watching it because you know, and

545
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:59.000
then I was like, that's actually
really a clever idea. I'm proud of

546
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.239
myself for coming with but yeah,
and then when coming up with that,

547
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.480
I wanted to be very true to
myself and like, so there's a lot

548
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:09.440
of coming I think at that time
there had been a lot of coming up

549
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:14.719
videos on YouTube where people usually it's
people sitting down in like a very raw

550
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:21.239
video. But I I wanted to, like my channel, make it like

551
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.199
a film, like I think,
I'm like my my YouTube channel was a

552
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:30.760
Roman romanticization of my life, and
I wanted it to feel like me and

553
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:37.039
I do think that's you know what
I did. I I wanted to go

554
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.000
big. The way I came out
to my family in it, I wrapped

555
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:45.079
my house in rainbow wrapping paper,
but also wanted to be like raw,

556
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:50.360
I wanted to mix, you know, and I had like it's so crazy

557
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.079
because I'm I. I've been thinking
about it like a little bit over the

558
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:57.199
past few months of like thinking back
to that time because I'm now so like

559
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.480
open and like just like you know, so I feel so me and to

560
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:06.800
think back to then, like I
would cry like every other night and be

561
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:08.599
like I can't, I can't,
and they was just like this. So

562
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:15.159
it was so heavy and like it
was so scary and and I don't know

563
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:17.679
why because I do know everyone was
so I mean, I do know I

564
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:22.360
but like everyone was. I knew
that no one would have a bad reaction.

565
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.960
I think it was just more of
I wasn't very vulnerable with my family

566
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:31.400
and friends anyway, and it felt
like a very very vulnerable thing to talk

567
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:35.079
about. And honestly, I came
out. That was my way of coming

568
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.800
out to my to everyone in my
life besides everyone who I came out to

569
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:43.320
in the video that was I didn't
I kind of wanted to kill a bunch

570
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:46.119
of birds with one stone, like
I didn't. I I just wanted I

571
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:51.400
feel like I'm I stutter over my
words a lot, and so I feel

572
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:54.239
like that's why I use my YouTube
videos. I like, I feel like

573
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:59.199
it was a way for me to
share what I'm feeling and thinking, just

574
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.119
because I'm not very good, especially
face to face. Like I'm like,

575
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:07.440
I'm just like all over the place. So it was just like my way

576
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:13.239
of, you know, perfectly articulating
my my thoughts and feelings but hopefully answer

577
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:15.280
your question. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I mean I think,

578
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:22.679
I mean, I just I rewatched
it today too, and I really understand

579
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:27.960
what you're saying about, Like I
had a similar experience. I didn't I

580
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:32.760
didn't film it, Like that's so
like vulnerable and like, so I can

581
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:37.320
understand why, like that was really
hard for you. But when there's that

582
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:43.760
part of you really like talking about
how difficult it is for you, like

583
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:45.679
you're scared what other people are going
to think and all of that, Like

584
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:52.559
I understood that completely. Even being
knowing, like even if you know,

585
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:57.679
like your brain knows, oh,
like people are most likely going to be

586
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:05.119
supportive, there's a huge amount of
like just society that makes it really hard,

587
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:09.719
even for people who are surrounded by
people who are open, like and

588
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:15.960
it's just it is the time.
I mean, there's like so much happening

589
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.760
inside of you, Like it's so
much, and then you're like there's the

590
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.159
excitement of a new crush, but
then there's also like, yeah, you're

591
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:27.679
terrified of like Okay, so I
thought my life was going to look like

592
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.719
this, and it's not gonna look
like that, and you're not quite sure

593
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:32.760
what that new life is going to
look like. But then same thing.

594
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:37.079
I mean for us. I'm like, I'm like I was talking to my

595
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:40.639
girlfriend today about and I was like, yeah, it'd be so crazy if

596
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.079
like being gay was just like all
you talked about, like joking. I'm

597
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:49.920
like, it's all like talking about
it. You're like, sorry, I

598
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:54.519
gotta go make my big gay podcast? Am I gay? Oh? Sorry,

599
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:58.960
yeah, I gotta go film like
lesbian podcast. But like so silly

600
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:04.960
it is. It is like in
the moment, it is so difficult,

601
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:08.039
like so difficult. So I mean, I think just the fact that like

602
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:13.280
you could make that, and I
think that that's been such a trend over

603
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.159
the past however many years, and
like trend sounds like a bad word,

604
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:21.599
but I don't mean it in that
way. Like I think it's great that

605
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:25.800
people like when people see those videos, they can see themselves, yeah,

606
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:30.960
and like hopefully even if they have
a super visceral reaction to them to figuring

607
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:35.360
out themselves, they know that they're
not the only person who's feeling that,

608
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.000
like oh yeah. I think that
was something that was hard for me to

609
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:43.920
grasp as because I was like nineteen
when I posted that. I don't think

610
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:49.480
it. I think only years later
was I able to understand like how important

611
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:52.239
that is. Like I feel like
a lot I've always had people come up

612
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.679
to me and be like, you're
coming up. Video made me feel okay

613
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:59.360
to come out too, And I
think it's like a hard concept to grasp

614
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:01.800
and I I never I don't think
I understood until. I don't know,

615
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:07.840
Like I think the more you see
representation, it's it's it's just like it's

616
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:09.639
it seems like a very obvious thing. But I don't know. The more

617
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:16.800
representation is happening on just everywhere online, TV, movies, I don't know,

618
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:20.400
like there is the shift, like
I feel about I just even think

619
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:22.000
back to when I first came out
versus now, I'm like, there's just

620
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:25.119
so much that has already change,
and like, you know, we're headed

621
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:30.480
in a good direction, and I
don't know. I think it's I'm very

622
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:31.639
happy. Like I think there was
a period of time where I resented that

623
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:36.119
video. Not sure, I don't
know why. I'm trying to remember why,

624
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.199
but I think it was just like
I don't yeah, I don't know,

625
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:42.360
I don't know why I resented it
now because now it seems like stupid

626
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:45.039
I resented it, But I'm like, I don't want to put words in

627
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:47.320
your mouth, but like, did
you feel like it like pigeonholed you in

628
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:51.960
a way or no, like that
it like sort of put you in a

629
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.000
box of like, yeah, you're
like I've been creating all of this content

630
00:45:55.159 --> 00:46:00.400
like yes, I am also gay. Yes, And also honestly, I

631
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:04.559
came out. I remember it was
I came out I think prematurely because I've

632
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.599
like since then, I've realized I'm
not by I'm gay, and I think

633
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:12.519
like that was something like I think
there was definitely subconsciously I was feeling like

634
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.320
it was not the right label maybe
and like also like with my family and

635
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:20.360
friends, it was like I came
out and then I never talked about it

636
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.639
with them, Like it wasn't like
we were comfortable, Like I still wasn't

637
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:27.119
very comfortable with my sexuality after I
came out, and it was very confusing

638
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.960
because I was like this poster child
for like the community when I wasn't able

639
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:34.760
to have like tell my mom I
had a crush on a girl, you

640
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:38.239
know, like I So I think
since moving to LA and just like you

641
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:43.280
know, becoming an adult, I
think, like I'm just so much more

642
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:46.199
comfortable in my sexuality. Like everything
I talk about is gay, like you

643
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:50.119
know, and that was true like
a few years ago. So it's like

644
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:54.639
I'm so happy about how much more
I'm comfortable in that. And I do

645
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:58.639
think, like, now that's why
I don't resent it, because you know,

646
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:06.079
I love being yes, I mean
yes, but it's also like sorry

647
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:09.199
because I'm gonna segue us back to
the movie as well, but because I

648
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:12.960
feel like there's so many connections,
and I think that's why, like the

649
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.599
the movie is super cute, and
I think like resonates for a lot of

650
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:20.280
queer people is one of the things
that was really interesting about it to me,

651
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:23.159
because I think there was a lot
about it where it's like the style,

652
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:27.079
the filming, the fact that because
it's set in the odds and so

653
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.039
it's like you know, the the
wardrobe and stuff like I was, like,

654
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:37.320
I kept having flashbacks to like the
web series because that was you know,

655
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.280
like the the like when I was
in college, Like that was I

656
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:45.400
feel like high peak years of like
queer rep only in web series and stuff

657
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:50.400
like that. So like the Anyone
but Me years and like all those shows.

658
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:54.039
And what I think was interesting is
that it's not those and I think

659
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:59.920
it's still made with a lot more
of the sensibilities of like how much the

660
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:04.599
queer community and queer representation has changed
since then and has grown since then in

661
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:07.199
a lot of ways. And some
of the things that I actually really enjoyed

662
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:12.760
about it is it's like it's you
don't have there's no coming out in there

663
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:21.440
right now. There's no like angsty
like conversation about like what does it mean

664
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:25.079
that I feel this way? You're
clearly into me. Let's unpack that like

665
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:30.599
that I feel like we had to
do with so many shows at that time,

666
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:32.920
you know, of like what does
this mean? What do you mean

667
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.679
you're gay? What does that even
mean? Like you know, like that

668
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:44.079
kind of like the PSA styleness of
it that isn't is just not there.

669
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:46.280
It's just not even there. And
there's something that I actually thought was so

670
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:52.880
stinking cute about having this like missed
connection style thing with the like clear gen

671
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:55.159
z Son who's like, oh my
mom's probably gay, that's not the point

672
00:48:55.199 --> 00:49:00.719
here, but like, yeah,
maybe she was happy with you unknown lady

673
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:07.440
like I. And that to me
just feels like so accurate, you know,

674
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:13.719
of like where a sixteen year old
today would be. And I'm like,

675
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:16.960
that is so not where a sixteen
year old was in two thousand and

676
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:22.320
two, you know, like that's
those are worlds away from each other.

677
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:28.320
And I just thought that was really
great, Like there was just something really

678
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:35.199
great about getting to watch like the
clear flirting and vibes and like even still

679
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:38.480
like the you know like, oh
we're clearly flirting and my boyfriend just walked

680
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:42.800
in awkwards. Oh my god.
That scene killed me. Yeah. I

681
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:47.559
know it's a lot, but like, but that didn't have to become like

682
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:51.880
a oh my god, I'm into
you when you're a girl. What does

683
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:53.840
that mean? The boyfriend being like
who is that? Who is she?

684
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:57.800
Are you into girls? Now?
What does that mean? Like there wasn't

685
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:00.840
any of that, you know,
And it's like almost to be like,

686
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:05.199
yeah, like we don't have to
put everyone into boxes. There's just like,

687
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:08.440
hey, I found this tape of
like your clear summer crush that never

688
00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:15.559
turned into anything. You still single, my mom is bye, Like no,

689
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:19.360
thank you. I mean, I
appreciate it because that was intentional,

690
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:23.280
I think. I mean, I
think all like those shows and films where

691
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:28.000
coming out aspect is involved, like
I'm I think those are so great and

692
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:31.199
very important, but I do think
we're shifting to where we don't have to

693
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:35.119
have that aspect in it. It
can just be a love story. And

694
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:37.440
I wanted that. I wanted it
to be especially very innocent between these two

695
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:42.360
girls because I don't think I mean, there's been heart stoppers between I just

696
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:46.000
watched the episode last night. I
forget the character's names, but I think

697
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:52.119
like something for the girls was it's
always been. That's kind of my goal

698
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:53.840
with my feature too. I don't
think there's not a coming out aspect with

699
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:58.960
it there too, And I think
that's like where we're headed. I feel

700
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:01.480
like more and more, at least
in my life, I feel like the

701
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:06.400
no one feels the need to come
out anymore. I feel like it's just

702
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:09.039
like it's just becoming so normalized.
Yeah, at least, I mean,

703
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:13.159
I probably do live in a little
bit of a bubble. But I do

704
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:16.199
think it's more and more and maybe
if it's I don't know if for you

705
00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:22.000
guys, but yeah, I mean
I think that's very accurate. I feel

706
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:25.280
similarly but also like the same thing, like yeah, just around myself with

707
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:30.360
gay people. So like I'm not
quite sure if that statement is accurate as

708
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:36.039
as widely spread, but I do
think we talk about this a million times

709
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:40.400
on this podcast because like a big
thread of our show is representation matters,

710
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:46.639
which like it does, so I
do think like having more representation is just

711
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:52.599
gonna make yeah, people not be
so like oh they're like, oh yeah,

712
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:54.559
this is just I like a girl
and it's fine. Well, and

713
00:51:54.639 --> 00:52:00.360
it's also like it's interesting because you're
just talking about like you're coming up where

714
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:01.760
you're like, hey, I made
this video. It's the most watched video

715
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:06.360
on my channel. I label myself
a label that no longer applies to me,

716
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:07.679
you know, and I think it's
something that like, I mean,

717
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:12.119
obviously I get it, like it's
hard to steer away from you watch so

718
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:15.679
many shows and or like movies or
whatever, and it's just like yeah,

719
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:19.760
like a character changes their label and
you immediately got to slap a new one

720
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.679
on and know what it is,
so that everybody's on the same page,

721
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:30.920
and it doesn't leave a lot of
room for that like flexibility or change or

722
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:35.079
fluidity that I think that like we, especially as queer people, are like

723
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:39.199
really embracing more so than I think
even our community has done in the past,

724
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:43.840
you know where it's like, yeah, the idea that people can't like

725
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.159
that your gender is going to be
different like one day to the next,

726
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:52.519
or that like your sexuality can change
and evolve and might be more related to

727
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:55.719
like the people that you're around and
who you happen to meet or be attracted

728
00:52:55.760 --> 00:53:00.000
to or fall in love with.
Then like a strict like here's the bottle

729
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:02.800
I'm in and here's the like you
know, okay, here's my name is

730
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:07.199
labeled like what I am today,
Like yeah, you don't have to do

731
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:08.880
that, Like you don't have to. They didn't have to in reply,

732
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:13.920
like have you know this whole conversation
being like, oh my god, I

733
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:15.679
have a boyfriend, but now I'm
clearly flirting with this girl. What does

734
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:19.920
that mean I'm bisexual? Maybe I'm
not is she gay? I don't even

735
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:25.800
know, Like it just doesn't matter, It doesn't relevant story. You're like

736
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:34.480
that girl wields some power tools,
like Okay, let's gay. But I'm

737
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:42.000
saying, what's that? Because yeah, which is one of our favorite movies?

738
00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:45.000
Do you like that movie? Yes? Good, such a good movie.

739
00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:52.119
I'm such a gay movie. Listen. I'm just gonna say, based

740
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:57.920
on the early aughts rom com era
things that you named as well, we

741
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:01.320
so we this is like a we're
talking about a topic episode, but every

742
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:06.719
other week our our other episodes are
a segment that we call should have been

743
00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:09.320
gay, and many of them,
many of the ones that you named,

744
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:20.159
we have covered. Y. Yeah, they don't date John date each other?

745
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:25.599
Yes, all four of you please, And so I'm just saying they

746
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:29.440
might be of interest, that's all. But yeah, no, no,

747
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:32.519
no, no, I I'm with
you, Ellie. But also I just

748
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:36.400
think it was nice that it didn't. It was very nice. Didn't have

749
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:39.880
to go there. Before we wrap
up? Can we discuss wardrobe in reply?

750
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:46.199
Yeah? Yes, just like number
one love the wardrobe choices? Where

751
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:50.719
did you find them all? How
did you make these choices? Because it's

752
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:57.119
very like of the time, and
also signals to everyone that these girls are

753
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:01.679
queer. Yes, I mean I
just had an amazing costume designer, Rossy

754
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:07.719
Sorkin. She she was, she
was. She came with this huge deck

755
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:12.079
and because what I said to her
was like, it's Wes Anderson esque,

756
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.000
I wanted to feel She's like,
do you want us to actually feel like

757
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:16.599
they're in the two thousands? I'm
like, I wanted to not. It

758
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:20.320
doesn't have to be like exactly what
people wore in the two thousands, but

759
00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:22.920
I wanted to feel like, yeah, it's like two thousands inspired, but

760
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:24.880
I wanted to feel like people would
be able to wear it today, like

761
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:30.199
I wanted bringing it all back.
Okay, yeah, I watch those overalls.

762
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:32.400
Give them to me. No.
Yes, it's like I feel like

763
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:37.960
a bunch of people from the set
took some of the costumes people wearing them.

764
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:43.480
No, yeah, they're's so great. It really complimented with the cinematography.

765
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:46.159
But yeah, no, she she
killed it. I'm I'm obsessed with

766
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:49.920
the costume too. I feel like
that's one of the top compliments I hear

767
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:54.960
from reply because it was just so
good, Like you just could tell from

768
00:55:55.000 --> 00:56:00.639
the second that Hayden, Yeah,
on the screen. Yeah, just walks

769
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:07.079
on and you're like, yeah,
you're just like the like crop top vibe,

770
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:13.599
the like beanie. At one point, I don't feel like like Hayden

771
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:15.400
was not wearing a beanie. I
forget the other character's name, Casey.

772
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:22.199
Casey was wearing a beanie with like
the tied ie with the overalls like that

773
00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:29.760
look with only one strap on.
Like that was just I love that you

774
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:37.559
remember it because it's making mental will
buy this? Yeah, where can I

775
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:43.880
get it? Meanwhile, I was
just having like like the flashbacks to like,

776
00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:47.239
ah, Hayden's hair, I had
that hair cut as well. Yeah,

777
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:53.000
yeah, there it is. There's
the there's the short queer Bob.

778
00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:59.119
Yeah, it was perfect. Anything
else you want to let our listeners know

779
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:04.079
about Reply or any of your film
work before we go to our qu and

780
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:07.480
gay reply. You can watch it
on Creative plus dot com slash reply.

781
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:12.280
You can rent it and yeah,
I think that's pretty much. It perfect

782
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:16.079
and it is for sure worth a
watch, so cute, like get together

783
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:20.679
a little date watch it. It
is short. I want to get warm.

784
00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:22.280
It is short, but I will
say like it's a perfect. It's

785
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:27.719
perfect for like an early lesbian date, right, because it's like watch it.

786
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:30.480
It's like about the time you would
start making out you were watching a

787
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:35.639
full length feature, So like watch
the fifteen minutes and then have the rest

788
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:40.360
of your date like pick up the
girl in the back watch reply yes,

789
00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:44.760
so cute. All right, let's
go to our qu and gay you ready

790
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:50.400
cue que que cute? Kay?
Question number one, have you ever had

791
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:53.519
the one who got away? A? Yes? B? No? Or

792
00:57:53.679 --> 00:58:00.400
see this sounds creepy, but they
never got away. We never got away?

793
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:06.719
Yeah, all right, perfect?
You know what? Question two?

794
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:10.119
Now you you can be biased as
you want answering this, but we'll also

795
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:15.960
put these up on our Twitter for
our listener's answers. So question two,

796
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:21.320
what's your favorite l Mills video?
Out of a coming out? Be what

797
00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:24.360
happened to el Mills? Or c
reply or you can do another write in

798
00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:30.480
or you can write in yeah,
YouTube video. Oh, I'd say from

799
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:35.880
YouTube videos my first kiss? Okay, like things I haven't like directed like

800
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:37.880
there wasn't a crew like just me. I'm gonna add it as an option,

801
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:45.639
yeah, and then I'd say,
I guess reply reply that's fair,

802
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:50.320
nice all right. Question number three, what's your favorite ats throwback a VHS

803
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:55.800
tapes, B flip phone or C
boot cut jeans VHS tapes. Yes,

804
00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:00.119
I have a bunch of my room. I have like that that that that

805
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:07.760
TV that Sam like the he uses. That's fine. Yeah, it's like

806
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:14.679
six inches sixes six inch nice,
nice, amazing. Question four, where

807
00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:21.119
would your meet cute happen? A
trader Joe's b home depot, see queer

808
00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:25.159
bar, bathroom or d terror reading
I think or reading out of all those?

809
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:30.480
Have you had a meet cute and
an interesting place? Ever? Like

810
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:34.239
what's the weirdest? Nothing like frezing? No, nothing crazy? I guess

811
00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:37.840
like, yeah, no, have
you other than the bar bathroom? Melly,

812
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:44.239
what do you get? I no, I was just curious. It's

813
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:47.880
a good question. Pretty mounded.
Ellie's like people are just hitting on me

814
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:57.320
everywhere I go. No, it's
hard to remember. Stop it ahead.

815
00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:01.920
I can't walk out my front door
my front door. Yes, no,

816
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:08.199
I'm just kidding. I'll think on
that. I'll think on that. I

817
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:12.119
got nothing all right, Oh wait, no, I do have a good

818
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:15.639
one. But it was no,
but it was straight so it was really

819
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:17.519
like, ah no, and I
wants to hear that. Come on,

820
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:22.480
it was it was like the year
before I came out, and it was

821
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:25.280
actually like the coolest meet cute.
It was like when I was in New

822
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:31.320
York City and this and I like
had I had just gotten back from an

823
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:36.360
audition and I was in this like
cute dress and I was really feeling myself

824
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:40.400
and I saw this guy on the
train and he was he was very cute,

825
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:45.199
so it wasn't like I was actually
like quote unquote straight. And I

826
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:47.800
looked at him and he looked at
me. And then I got off the

827
01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:52.719
train and I was walking outside of
the train station and he had followed me.

828
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:57.679
That sounds so creepy, but he
followed me, but I wanted him

829
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.320
to like I had looked at him
in a way that said like hey,

830
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:05.320
and then he asked me on a
date on the streets of New York.

831
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:08.760
Oh my god. Yeah. And
then I went on and date with him

832
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:15.280
and I had gay panic and I
came up like three weeks later. I

833
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:20.320
love it. Wait is it bad
that now? I'm pretty sure actually my

834
01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:25.239
like legit only meet cute in my
life is also straight and also immediately proceeds

835
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:32.719
me coming out because I went on
I went on a college tour and met

836
01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:37.440
this kid on my college tour who
was also like super into me, and

837
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:46.880
I think we exchanged like aim handles
and then started dating over aim and then

838
01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:50.400
he was supposed to he was supposed
to come to my prom with me,

839
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.119
like I had asked him to like
be my prim He lived in a different

840
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:59.960
state like he I was. I
think he lived in New Hampshire. Yeah,

841
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:02.760
so he like drove down like to
Connecticut to like go on a couple

842
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:06.320
of dates with me, and then
he I like invited him to prom and

843
01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:07.159
he was supposed to come to prom, and then I had to have a

844
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:10.199
whole plan of like I have to
tell this kid I am not taking him

845
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:15.519
to prom because I am taking a
girl. Whoops. So anyways, go

846
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:24.079
meet cutes making making people gay,
making people for the gaze only Actually so

847
01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:29.039
sorry. He was very nice,
but so was the guy I dated.

848
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:34.159
Yeah he's it's not right, all
right. Question number five? Who would

849
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:37.239
you have chased on a bus?
A Jonahs Brothers, B Backstreet Boys,

850
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:43.800
C, Spice Girls or D One
Direction U Jonas Brothers. Yes, I

851
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:45.679
feel like I should have added some
like older options. I know, I

852
01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:49.199
know we have listeners who are gonna
be like I am too old for all

853
01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:52.920
of these, The Beatles, too
old of an option, the begs,

854
01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:58.480
who would you have chased? Yeah? I feel like, yeah, who

855
01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:01.199
would I have chased? In the
seventies, I would still chase Carol King.

856
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:07.199
That's like so Mama's, Mama's and
the Papas. Yeah, yeah,

857
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:09.519
could have chased. The sixties was
a good time for music. Let's be

858
01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:14.920
real. But I would definitely.
I already chased the Jones brothers, and

859
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:17.280
I would definitely chase this vice girls. Great answers, all right, great

860
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:22.000
answers, truck you and gay remember
everyone, you can give us your own

861
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:24.519
answers to his episodes Q and gay
Questions on our Twitter at Let's Hangout pot

862
01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:30.800
Elle, Thank you so much for
hanging out with us. Let all of

863
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:34.000
our listeners know if they if they
don't know, where can they find you?

864
01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:37.400
Where can they find your stuff?
Yeah? You can. I pretty

865
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:40.440
much just use Instagram, Instagram,
dot com, slash l dot Mills,

866
01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:45.199
and then YouTube if you want to
check out some of my work, YouTube

867
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:49.079
dot com, slash eld Theemills.
But more importantly, we want to watch

868
01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:52.760
my short film reply CREDI plus dot
com slash reply Yes, I will share

869
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:57.840
that link with all of you.
Any other new projects coming up or you're

870
01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:00.840
working on your feature and I can
my feature. I think there. I

871
01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:04.320
mean I'm working on like I'm directing
something pretty cool. But I don't think

872
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:09.480
by this time this is out I
can share that. I think. But

873
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:13.800
I wrote an essay for The New
York Times kind of talking about the stuff

874
01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:15.880
that we were talking about with what
happened El Mills, and I think that

875
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:19.519
will be out by the time this
is out. And that's my first time

876
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:23.440
like writing. I don't know.
It was like really weird writing it because

877
01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:28.400
I'm like, it was like it
was like very therapeutic but also reminded me

878
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:32.159
of school, so so interesting.
But yeah, I think that will be

879
01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:35.119
out. But thank you so much
hanging out with this. This has been

880
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:39.000
so fun. Thank you so much. I had a lot, a lot

881
01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:43.320
of fun. I like that.
I like the questions, good questions,

882
01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:48.559
good, good, weird questions.
We've done it. Let me hear you

883
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:55.639
say. We love hearing from you
in building community, so we want to

884
01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:58.440
shout out some of our favorite things
each episode. We'd like to give a

885
01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:01.639
shout out to Walter who reached out
Facebook to recommend romy and Michelle's high school

886
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:05.800
reunion. Many people have recommended this
Lee, I think it might be time.

887
01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:11.599
Can I can I tell you what's
so funny? I honestly I had

888
01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:17.639
to. I did a like a
search in our published episodes because I have

889
01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:21.480
done this. You've never done it, I know, and I could swear

890
01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:25.239
that we had. So Yes,
I think it is. It is for

891
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:30.000
sure moving up on our list oft
requested. So it's amazing and quite gay.

892
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Yes, Yes, We're gonna have
a lot to say. We also

893
01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:38.679
want to shout out Mariah, who
reached out on Instagram dming us to say

894
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that their cat has six toes and
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895
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:50.480
an incredible I die. Can I
tell you I die? It's amazing.

896
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I love it so much. So
thank you Mariah for letting us know that

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is exactly the content we crave.
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