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But it's my great pleasure to welcome
into the podcast this week. It's a

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two division world champion, one of
the best fighters in boxing. It is

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Shakhorse Stevenson scha Court. Thank you
very much for doing this and welcome to

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our show. Was good, Dan, was good, Everything good. Everything's

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good with me. Also, thank
you so much. So you're you're out

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in Vegas right now training. You
have a very significant fight coming up.

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You're looking to win a world title
in a third weight class, going for

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the vacant WBC lightweight title November sixteenth, that's the ESPN main event at the

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T Mobile Arena. You're taking on
Edwin Delos Santos. It took a while

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to get your opponent, but you
finally got one. And my first question

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for you is, as I mentioned, you're going to go for your title,

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for a title and a third weight
class. You've been a champion at

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featherweight, You've been a unified champion
in the junior lightweight division. You're only

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twenty six years old. You're obviously
creating all kinds of legacy for yourself.

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What would it mean to you to
become a three division champion, especially at

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such a young age In this sport. I think that it would mean a

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lot for me to become a three
division world champion. I think that you

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definitely gotta put me higher up on
the powerful pound list. I mean,

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just be just winning titles in every
weight class that I'm just going to and

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dominated. I think that that's gonna
put me higher up on the list.

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So well, higher up on the
list, you know, I think you.

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I mean, I have you on
my pound for pound lists for sure,

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But you're twenty and oh with ten
knockouts, and you mentioned about winning

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titles and doing so, you know, pretty easily. I guess do you

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feel like, through your first twenty
fights that you've had any opponents that have

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really given you a difficult fight?
Because when I look at your resume,

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I see your best opponents. I
think of guys like Oscar Valdez, Jamel

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Herring, Robson, Konsisao, Jem
Ryan, Nakatiya, Joet Gonzalez. I

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mean, these are probably the best
guys you faced. Off the top of

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my head, you beat every single
one of them very very easily. Has

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anybody given you competition? In your
mind? Nah, I ain't nobody give

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me no competition in a fight.
Yet. But that's not to take away

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from no fighters. I think that
they all are really good fighters, but

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I think the al levels above them. So nah, I don't think that

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nobody really gave me a real competition. Yet. You became the mandatory challenger

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for this title with your victory over
Yoshino back in April. That was Devin

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Haney. You know, he was
undisputed at that time. Did you think

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back then that Hani would fight you? And if not, are you at

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all disappointed that he decided to instead? You know, he's pursuing the WBC

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title at the junior welterweight division against
Regis Program in December. Did you think

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he would fight you? And are
you disappointed with that he didn't? Yeah?

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I thought that he would, just
because he was calling in and doing

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all the things that he was doing
before, I mean after my fight,

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So yeah, I thought I thought
that he would. But I think deep

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down inside I knew that he was
ready to line it up with me,

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understood. I mean, he is
going, like you mentioned, you're going

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for your history for a third weight
class. I guess he looks at it

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like he's going for his own in
a second way class, having been undisputed

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in his weight division now moving up
sort of see the reasons, even if

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you would have liked to fight him, I mean, I think he just

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knew. He knew when I got
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and wait. I think that fighting
me would have been like a really big

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risk for him. Man, coming
off of the fight that he just had

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with li Muchhenko. I think his
confidence was really low, so he tried

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to like play around and play a
little social media games. But truthfully,

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I don't think, like deep down
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with me. Well, once he
vacated and went, you know, made

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the decision to go up and pursue
the Regius prograde fight. The WBC went

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through its process, the title was
vacant, so they just go down the

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line. You were number one contender
from your victory over Yoshina. As I

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mentioned, Lomachenko could have been the
opponent. He opted not to fight you

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and take the rest of the year
off. Then they went to the pit

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Bull Cruise, he turned it down. Everybody kind of thinks that he said

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it to a rematch with Tank Davis
in the early part of next year.

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What did you think about those two
guys not fighting you, especially Lomachenko,

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which seemed like it would have been
a super interesting fight, a fight that

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could have been major, both with
the same promoter. A lot of people

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thought he deserved the victory against HAINI. I was really disappointed in the fact

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that he didn't want to fight me. From what I heard, he had

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got offered the most money in his
career. He's at the tail end of

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his career right now, so I
didn't get the point of not fighting me.

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I didn't see why not. The
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he knowed that I'm the truth too. He knew that it would have been

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a hard task. But with Pitbull
Cools, he already shown several times that

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he got no interest in getting in
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his dad and his team is scared. I think that they don't really want

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to do that today. So they
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that maybe he can make a bit
more money against Tank Davis in the rematch.

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But understand, I understand your point
of view. I disagree with that

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because he was offered that before the
rematch came into play. Okay, well,

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the rematch, it is not the
first time, my last fight at

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Yoshi. No, that was my
first fight at He was offered that fight

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already. Okay, Well, once
those two guys decided they were out of

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the situation, then they went to
Frank Martin, who was next in line,

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the undefeated fighter, who was aligned
with Errol Spence with PBC TGB Promotions,

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and they actually made a deal with
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Looked like it was on the purse. Spid was canceled by the WBC,

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and then suddenly he decided not to
take it, not for reasons that had

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anything to do with Team schakor Stevenson
or Top Rank, but his own internal

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whatever was going on with his people. I saw you guys go back and

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forth about it. I mean some
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What's your thoughts about his you know, he said he would do the fight,

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and then he didn't do the fight
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agree with the people that said he
just flight out ducked me. Like I

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said, with him, he was
he was offered to fight. He said

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yes. Clearly somebody on his team
wanted to fight. They wasn't scared for

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the fight that happened or whoever accepted
the fight wasn't scared. So, man,

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I think I think that dude got
cold feet out of DM that dude

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and had a conversation with him.
Man, that dude was telling me a

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whole bunch of rumors that he heard
and not speaking no factual information. But

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I told him the facts of the
fight. I told him how much the

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fight was gonna generate, what the
numbers was, and I explained to him.

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And the fact is he was offered
quadruple more than he haven't made in

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his career. So if she wanted
to sit there and act like it wasn't

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a duck, that's the biggest line
and world. So tell me if you

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think that this is accurate. I
think about it like this. You got

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a chance to make the most money
you ever made, no question. You

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have a chance to become the WBC
lightweight world champion, something that boxers covet

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as soon as they think they want
to become a professional fighter to win a

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world championship. And if you go
in the ring and you quit yourself in

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a solid manner, even if you
lose, especially to a talent, then

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fighter like share course Stevenson, it's
like your career is over. Meanwhile,

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he turns it down, has nothing
scheduled that I'm aware of, nothing even

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in the rumor mill about something,
and he may sit out the rest of

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the year and not make a paycheck. Does that seem kind of crazy to

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you? Yeah, it seemed crazy
to me, because not only that,

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the numbers that he fight in front
of the crowds that I seen and fight

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in front of is like little small
crowds. He never been on like a

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bigger stage and been involved in in
a big event, and him being in

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the ring with me would have been
like the biggest event that he ever been

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involved in. I can't see why
somebody would turn that down unless they knew,

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like, Okay, I'm gonna lose. I think that's what he really

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was thinking. Well, Delo Santos
manned up and he took the fight.

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I've seen him fight a few times. He's got a couple of solid wins

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in a row on his record.
He's got the nice knockout against Jose Valanzuela,

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who was undefeated, was considered a
rising prospect, rising kind of contender.

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He has that win over Adornio by
decision. Uh, what is your

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perspective on del Santos' abilities and and
uh and just the fact that he took

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the fight, and I am on
record saying I think it's an easy fight

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for sure. Of course, Stevenson, to be honest with you, if

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you come to the ring the way
you typically do, and I'm not just

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kissing your rear end because we're doing
an interview. No, I think that

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Dela Santos is a great fighter.
Oh, I can't taint nothing new wis

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from Dela Santo's uh, from a
little bit of film that I did see

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on home far as. I think
I'll watch this fight with Joseph Dno and

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scenes right with Vinna whatever his name
is, Alan Zuela. Yeah, yeah,

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that guy. I think that he
performed good. I mean, he's

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a boxer, puncher, he got
great movement, and I think that he

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possesses a more difficult task than the
public I c. So we'll see though,

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Yeah, we will see. One
thing that intrigues me about the card,

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besides just seeing you guys in the
ring for the title in the main

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event, was your co feature on
that show? Is the WBO's junior lightweight

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champion Emmanuel never Atte, a title
that you once had he is gonna he's

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already won titles in three red last
As his opponent that night, he's defending

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against Robson Kosasaw, a guy who
you very easily defeated not that long ago.

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It seems pretty obvious to me and
anybody that pays attention to such things

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that top ranks laying the groundwork for
who they think will be the WBC Lightweight

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Championship. Course Stevenson to eventually take
on Emanuel never Atte when he moves up

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to lightweight. Is that something that
interests you and am I on the right

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path there? Oh? Yeah,
it definitely interests me. I think a

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lot of people think that this dude
is a boogeyman and he's he's a hell

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of a strong fighter that they think
that he is, and he knocking out

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guys and beating up guys quote unquote
worse than me, right, which I

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disagree with, Like you really pay
them guys, is winning rounds with him,

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and there's a lot of with me, They was losing a lot of

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them arounds. So honestly, yeah, I'm definitely down for it. Uh,

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we both got to get past the
task that we got in front of

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us coming November sixteenth from me,
he got a good fighter and Robinson cause

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sur front him, and I got
a good fighter in Edwin Della Santo's.

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So, honestly, I think that
what you got to say, focused and

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the fight should have the next when
you're getting ready for your fight, that

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now you're gonna be peeking out on
the TV screen in your dressing room checking

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out what he's doing. No,
I ain't gonna be checking it out.

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I already seen a fight several times. It's the same shit I heard h

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strong and slow, slow as flugged. Though. I had somebody suggest to

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me when that fight when when he
was put on your card and it seemed

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clear that the that the plan moving
ahead as long as everybody wins between you

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two guys on the sixteenth, that
that it reminded them the matchup between yourself

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and Everette as what might be this
era's version, if you will, of

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a top ranked fight from years ago. Style wise, anyway, when Floyd

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Mayweather fought Jose Luis Castillo, you
know, was a brawling kind of Mexican

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fighter with a good reputation and a
and a fun style to watch against a

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really technically skilled black American boxer who
had all kinds of talent. Do you

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kind of see where they're coming from? Do you see that at all?

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Hear? No. No, I
think Castillo was more defensively sound and more

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tighter in Navaratnarete is wreck is awkward? Wow? Nah, I don't.

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I don't. I don't think that's
a similar fight or a similar to compare

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that to me and Aretna. Okay, that's fair. I just wanted to

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wrap up with this. I know
that this fight is kind of on an

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unusual night. It's a Thursday night, uh, not the normal Saturday night

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for the major main events. And
the reason obviously is because of everything that's

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happening that week in Las Vegas.
They have a huge event with the Formula

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one race and they've got other activities
around it, your boxing match being one

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of them. Do you have any
thoughts about, uh, fighting like on

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that on what is a huge week
for the city, and also, you

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know, your first time in a
main event at a place like the Timobile

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Arena, which is the premier venue
in Las Vegas at the moment for boxing.

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Uh No, I don't. I'm
just focused. I'm ready. I'm

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ready to put on the show.
I'm glad that I'm getting a chance to

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fight it on a big stage.
I'm appreciative Tom Ring. I appreciate it

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too, Okay, everybody that said, this event up and I can't wait

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to show out. I can't wait
to watch the show out. I appreciate

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you taking the time to talk to
me today about it all, and I

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look forward to watching fights. She've
wet a very good luck in the fight

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coming up November sixteenth. Gotcha,