1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,600 If you've been told to pull up your socks, then make sure it's a 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:09,119 pair of TNT socks. The TNT Shop is now open at TNT Radio Dot 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:14,919 Live. Patrick Henningson and TNT all, Right, here we go. Here 4 00:00:14,919 --> 00:00:19,160 we go, our number two of this live broadcast. Here TNT Today's News 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,199 Talk. Patrick Kenningson, you're with us. Glad to have you with us 6 00:00:22,199 --> 00:00:26,199 here on Monday. No shortage of action over the weekend. World War three 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,760 pretty much began or almost broke out. Sort of did broke out, depends 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,479 on where you think we are on the escalation ladder. That's what we're talking 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,799 about today. So we've been bringing on some of the more i would say 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,920 cogent experts on this, Tony Gosling of course, being one of them. 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:49,280 He's been living and breathing and sleeping this subject for a very very long time, 12 00:00:49,399 --> 00:00:53,640 so obviously he's somebody we want to be talking to right now to look 13 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:58,079 at all the various angles of this. But over in the US, unfortunately, 14 00:00:58,159 --> 00:01:03,320 the conversation is a little bit more let's say, grade school level. 15 00:01:03,479 --> 00:01:06,640 If you tune in too especially, I mean, I'm going to pick on 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,519 the conservative media because when it comes to foreign policy. I find the conservative 17 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,719 media, in the right wing media in America to be pretty much vacant, 18 00:01:15,799 --> 00:01:21,640 totally out to lunch, and rarely, if at all, tethered to reality. 19 00:01:21,799 --> 00:01:26,239 And this is no different here on Monday. So if you survey the 20 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:32,879 punditry or the so called experts, foreign policy extra John Bolton is all over 21 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,640 the news, of course, screaming and breathing fire, saying Israel needs to 22 00:01:37,719 --> 00:01:40,719 attack, we need to escalate, we need more war. So the hawks 23 00:01:40,719 --> 00:01:45,840 are all out and the talking point is Biden's week. Trump was even selling 24 00:01:45,879 --> 00:01:49,239 this one, which is Biden's to blame for the Iranian attack on Israel. 25 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:57,319 Because of Biden's weakness, it emboldened the Mullahs in Iran to attack the Israelis. 26 00:01:57,359 --> 00:02:02,319 No, they didn't. The reason the US decided to attack Israel's because 27 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:07,680 Israel blew up an embassy, an Iranian embassy in Damascus. Not to mention 28 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,159 the genocide that's happened over the last six months, I mean, have we 29 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,840 forgotten about that? You got to kind of remind that to the right wingers 30 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:21,759 in America, of course. I mean I'm often called a conservative. I 31 00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:27,000 mean I don't wear my party membership card on my lapal like some people do. 32 00:02:27,759 --> 00:02:31,120 But people who follow my politics over the last ten years or whatever, 33 00:02:31,159 --> 00:02:35,560 you sort of know where I'm at based on who I'm supporting, who I'm 34 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:39,680 attacking, and which policies I'm championing which ones I'm not. I will say 35 00:02:39,719 --> 00:02:46,960 that the current Democrat Republican structure right now does not cater towards common sense foreign 36 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:52,319 policy. So I'm posing the two party duopoly at the moment and looking for 37 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,919 a candidate that represents the views of the American people. Is that too much 38 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,439 to ask? And I'm confused as to where Donald Trump biz on foreign policy. 39 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,919 He doesn't have much to say other than this would never have happened if 40 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,680 I was president. Well, excuse me very much, okay. But the 41 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:13,599 full throated support of Israel is the reason we're in this mess to begin with. 42 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,240 They've been given the green light for everything. Donald Trump gave them, 43 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:21,560 the West Bank, the Golden Heights, the US Embassy, and Jerusalem basically 44 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:27,319 broke every international UN resolution, law entreaty, all to placate the needs of 45 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:32,639 an extremist, ideological settler colony in the Middle East known as Israel. That's 46 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:38,639 what Donald Trump's done, so he set the stage for Joe Biden, who 47 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:44,159 gave Israel everything they wanted. Okay, it's not Biden's weakness. Okay, 48 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:50,879 Biden is delivered every single j DM baumb every single piece of ammunition, every 49 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:58,759 single satellite has been commandeered in the service of the Israelis as they massacre the 50 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,800 civilian population of Gaza. Okay, all with the help of the US. 51 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:09,039 It would have been impossible without the one hundred and ten percent support of Joe 52 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:15,120 Biden. Okay, to his fault, he has given everything that Israel had 53 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:19,920 asked for. And the toll in terms of human lives, in terms of 54 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:29,319 people disfigured, people have lost limbs, the injured and the injured is excess 55 00:04:29,319 --> 00:04:35,160 of sixty thousand, thirty five thousand known dead, fifteen thousand children, nine 56 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:43,120 thousand women that's known dead. They estimate there's potentially another five thousand missing under 57 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,399 the rubble, and they reckon it's going to take some time somewhere between ten 58 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:50,720 and thirty years to clear the rubble. Ten and thirty years to clear the 59 00:04:50,759 --> 00:04:56,480 rubble. Okay. I've been to war zones before, I've been to cities 60 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,399 where they're still cleaning up the war thirty years later. That's the reality. 61 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:09,240 Okay, So it's not Biden's weakness, quite the opposite. It's Biden's complete, 62 00:05:10,399 --> 00:05:15,040 unflagging support of a genocidal regime in Israel. That's the problem. And 63 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,519 that's where Trump has got it wrong. Of course, really has got it 64 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,959 wrong. And so I asked the question on Twitter today. It's a fair 65 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:28,439 question that if Donald Trump wins in November, like all the polls suggest that 66 00:05:28,439 --> 00:05:33,439 he might, who is going to be advising Donald Trump on Iran in Russia? 67 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:44,560 Are we going to have an intelligent, scholarly and considerate expert or experts 68 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:54,480 advising the president or are we going to have some unhinged ideologues and neo Cohn 69 00:05:54,680 --> 00:06:00,439 Charlatan's like Mike Pompeo and John Bolton. Is that who's going to be advising 70 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,839 the president? Because if it is, they're going to put this country and 71 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:11,000 the world onto the path of World War III, pure and simple. If 72 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:18,680 you can't find anybody qualified with I mean, put an EEG reader on the 73 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:25,399 head. Check for electrical activity, see if there's any brain waves there. 74 00:06:26,079 --> 00:06:32,199 First check to see if there's any brain activity, then check their resume and 75 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,319 it's very rare you can get both of those things going right these days in 76 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:43,720 Washington because Trump's last team on foreign policy. Yeah, he didn't start in 77 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,519 any new wars, but he didn't really stop any either, And he nearly 78 00:06:46,519 --> 00:06:54,959 started a war with Iran by assassinating Consumpsulamani and Abu Madi Mohendez okay. And 79 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,439 that's something that the Iranians are never going to forget and they might even take 80 00:06:59,439 --> 00:07:04,319 an opportunity need to exact revenge for that unsolicited, targeted killing. And by 81 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:10,319 the way, Sulimani was fighting Isis and winning. Is that why the US 82 00:07:10,439 --> 00:07:14,680 killed him? That was set up by the Israelis And at the last minute, 83 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,319 the Israelis backed out and left the United States literally with the kill shot, 84 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,000 and of course they were there, they said, well, let's just 85 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:27,839 go through with it. So isn't that interesting how Tel Aviv goaded the Trump 86 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,040 administration to doing something that's totally not in their self interest, not in the 87 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:38,079 national interests of the United States, doing a favor a solid for Israel that 88 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:43,600 Israel was supposed to carry out the final move and then peeled off right before 89 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:47,199 the end and left the US holding the can our greatest friend in ally Israel. 90 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:53,120 You see how the relationship works. We do everything for them, they 91 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,399 do very little, if anything, for us. We share all of our 92 00:07:56,399 --> 00:08:00,800 intelligence with them, they share nothing with us. That's the relaylationship. It's 93 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:07,079 not exactly a two way relationship. It's more like a parasitic relationship. That's 94 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,680 the story, unfortunately, of this tale that's wagging the dog. We're going 95 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:15,000 to take a short break right now with the network, and when we come 96 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,720 back, we're going to connect our guest, Jay Dyer, author of Esoteric 97 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,519 Hollywood one and two and much much more. We're going to talk about end 98 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:28,040 times, eschatology, cult, the Red Heifer, John Hagey. We're going 99 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,759 to touch all of that because it's oh so relevant right now today, all 100 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:33,120 this and more. On the other side, I'm Patrick Genninson, will be 101 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:39,720 right back TNT Sterren Paullman. There was a plan on the British side immediately 102 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:46,639 after the victory over Germany to continue the wharf, to get the to push 103 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:54,320 the weekend Soviet Union back over backwards. So that is something that is not 104 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,799 well known. That plan has been You could find it on the internet and 105 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,879 then it's off and on sometimes again, it's very difficult. It's not long. 106 00:09:01,919 --> 00:09:05,039 It's something like if I called directly something of thirty pages, I would 107 00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:09,320 say, I read the Soviets had this coup in Czechoslovakia in nineteen forty eight, 108 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:20,080 and that in that appeared as the Soviets really was pushing forward, and 109 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:30,759 they would they thought that this means that we have to start an alliance against 110 00:09:30,799 --> 00:09:37,080 the Soviets, and that what NATO became. The Dirk Pullman Show on Today's 111 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,720 News Talk TNT. In a democracy, the majority vote rules, but in 112 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:46,720 most democracies you can only vote for change every three or four years. To 113 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:52,159 understand what people want, governments and political parties use focus groups. These focus 114 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,559 groups can include as little as twenty people. Australia is a country of over 115 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,360 twenty five million people. Does making decisions based on two twenty people sound fair 116 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:05,440 to you? Have your say be heard in between elections? Download the for 117 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:11,399 I Say app now that is number four My Say Today's News Talk, News 118 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:16,759 Information TNT Radio. Welcome back, folks, welcome back, I'm yours Patrick 119 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:18,919 Kenningson, thank you for joining us. We're now we're number two of this 120 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:24,200 live broadcast. Oh how time flies? When you're having good fun here on 121 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:28,440 the airways with you. Our listeners are viewers here on TNT see everybody in 122 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,759 the TNT chat room. Hello you guys. I hope you're doing good there. 123 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,519 Great to see the activity, the banter, the mems. That's where 124 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:39,840 the action is, folks. If you're watching this, go to TNT Radio 125 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,960 app, which you can get on either Google Play or on the App store, 126 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,840 and you'll see the chat option which is down at the bottom of the 127 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:50,480 menu. Or go to TNT radio Dot Live lower right hand corner, red 128 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:52,759 bubble. Get in there. That's where you want to be during the live 129 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,120 show. Now, we had a great segment, of course, talking about 130 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:01,480 the real politique of the Iran Israel situation. I want to extend that story 131 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:05,720 a little bit though with our next guest. He is a researcher, a 132 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:11,600 presenter, a comedian, also a very successful author to boot among other things. 133 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:16,840 His name is Jay Dyer. He's the author of Esoteric Hollywood one and 134 00:11:16,919 --> 00:11:22,159 two. Jay, appreciate you coming on the program this week. It's Hilly 135 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,080 Patrick. We always have really good conversations, so I'm glad to be here 136 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:31,159 and I always like breaking down weird versions of religious fanaticism, cults and so 137 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,399 forth. So happy to do that. Yeah, and the timing right now, 138 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:37,879 Jay, I mean, we definitely want to get your input on. 139 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:46,360 We're talking about cults and times, eschatology, religious extremism, crazed ideologues. 140 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:52,080 There's plenty of them that are literally wringing their hands right now on Monday, 141 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:58,960 after what's happened over the weekend. They're anticipating that this is the final battle 142 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:03,679 that's coming. Thetan Zionists, the pastors were just going off on Sunday. 143 00:12:03,799 --> 00:12:07,840 If you watch these sort of evangelical cable channels, you would have seen some 144 00:12:07,919 --> 00:12:11,759 of them. We've got a few clips. I'll share one of them with 145 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:15,559 you, of course, in a moment. But it's all seems to be 146 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,879 coming to a head. According to some people, Jay, this is the 147 00:12:18,919 --> 00:12:22,639 great battle. The great battle is about to come, and all this eschatological 148 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,679 conclusions will finally reach the climax that everybody seems to have been living for, 149 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:35,159 hoping for armageddon. I don't know what do you make of this? How's 150 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:37,320 your reading on this? I know you personally, what are your thoughts? 151 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:43,480 And then tell us what the playing field looks like on this? Well, 152 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,159 personally, My thoughts are I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to it 153 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:54,080 because I remember growing up as a Baptist hearing about Red Heifer's stories at least 154 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,600 since the eighties and nineties. So this is a thing that's often recycled, 155 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,279 especially as you pointed out, in the sort of event angelical media sphere. 156 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,159 They love this, they go crazy. I shared a meme of Nicholas Cage 157 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:07,240 going wild on coke from the eighties in an interview, and I said, 158 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:13,759 this is what you get when evangelicals here catch wind of the slightest story about 159 00:13:13,799 --> 00:13:18,799 the Red Heifer, because they believe that this is somehow sort of initiating the 160 00:13:18,919 --> 00:13:20,600 end of the world and that it has to happen, and that that will 161 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,519 trigger the anti Christ. And I'm not saying that, you know, whenever 162 00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:28,360 the end of the world is, that that stuff won't happen in that way 163 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,600 or whatever. I don't think we really know how it's going to shake out. 164 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,600 But I can say, beyond my own personal views of it, that 165 00:13:37,879 --> 00:13:41,480 as I started studying this in my twenties and as I got older, I 166 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:48,600 started noticing a lot more geopolitical tie ins to a lot of the dispensational Evangelical 167 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:54,840 Christian Zionist in time stuff that when I was younger, I was very naive 168 00:13:54,919 --> 00:13:58,320 to. And as you get into think tanks and things like, you know, 169 00:13:58,399 --> 00:14:05,279 say John Hay's connection to Apak and other entities, started becoming evident to 170 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:11,559 me that maybe there's other motivations to what people like John Hagy push. And 171 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,919 I have to admit that when I was kind of an idiot eighteen nineteen year 172 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:18,840 old evangelical actually bought the John Hagey Study Bible. At one time I thought 173 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,639 that this was like a great study Bible, and I thought, oh, 174 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,960 yeah, the Rapture and all this. But what I didn't know was the 175 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:33,720 history behind the emergence of dispensationalism just comes out of like eighteen hundred's British imperial 176 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:39,480 Actually, I argue cult theology, you could say, because John Nelson Darby 177 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:43,440 was a member of the Plymouth Brethren, which was an offshoot of Anglicanism, 178 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:48,279 so it was already kind of an imperial thing. And what Darby came up 179 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,799 with was this idea that there's these arbitrary, sort of divided series of history 180 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:58,600 that don't really overlap with one another, and so rather than the older longtime 181 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,240 Chris teaching of both the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church and most Protestant 182 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:09,240 churches even that the Church is really the spiritual New Israel, the idea became, 183 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:13,440 no, there's actually a dual covenant where God has a relationship to the 184 00:15:13,559 --> 00:15:16,279 Church and to the followers of Jesus. But there's also still this validity to 185 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:22,559 the Mosaic Covenant by which Jews can still be saved outside of Christianity or through 186 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,600 some other means. And so what again begins as what you might think is 187 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:31,440 a religious ideology, I believe was actually promoted by the British Empire. This 188 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:37,720 is right before we have the Balfour Declaration. This is right before we get 189 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:43,200 the establishment of the nation state of Israel. And I think that the entities 190 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,720 that were pushing this, particularly through what's called the Scofield Study Bible that's printed 191 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:50,919 i think Stephen still to this day by Oxford University Press. It's not accidental 192 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,360 that that was pushed massively in the United States at that time, where you 193 00:15:56,519 --> 00:16:02,279 have around the time of the post the Great Awakenings, to get this period 194 00:16:02,759 --> 00:16:07,720 in American evangelicalism of revivalism and tent revivals very popular all over the US. 195 00:16:08,279 --> 00:16:15,039 And this infusion of this new idea of dispensationalism, the coming Rapture, the 196 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,559 end times, Jesus is going to come back to Jerusalem, set up a 197 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:22,759 new a thousand year kingdom on Earth, et cetera, et cetera. That 198 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:30,279 infused the American Protestant evangelical psyche, which again began as like part of you 199 00:16:30,279 --> 00:16:33,080 know, Congregational Baptist type. This actually ends up spreading, I think, 200 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:38,519 throughout the Protestant mind as a whole in America and maybe even into the Catholic 201 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,200 mind as well in America, because we sort of have this default to just 202 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:48,240 assuming that all of these verses, all this stuff is talking about the modern 203 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:52,399 nation state of Israel, which I don't think a lot of this is referring 204 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,919 to that, but that became the default. Through this what you could argue 205 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,279 is perhaps a geopolitical sie of of the pushing of the Schofield study bubble, 206 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,319 which to this day is still very popular amongst evangelicals. And that's why we 207 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,039 have people like John Hagy and his Cornerstone Church, which, if you don't 208 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:11,200 remember a few years ago, these around two thousand and seven or eight, 209 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,880 you actually put out a book saying that Jesus wasn't the Messiah, and it 210 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,039 was such a controversy he retracted that. So that's really what this is about, 211 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:23,119 is sort of a geopolitical agenda to castigate and to sort of spin that 212 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:29,400 Russia is Gog and Magog and China's in there somewhere and somehow ol Iran as 213 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:34,200 part of this Antichrist in Time's religion thing. I don't agree with, you 214 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,680 know, Shia Islam and their theology. I have a professor friend from Harvard, 215 00:17:40,279 --> 00:17:44,039 doctor Khalil, who is a Shia Muslim, so I want to understand 216 00:17:44,079 --> 00:17:48,279 those positions, but I don't think that that has anything to do with what's 217 00:17:48,319 --> 00:17:52,279 going on in the Book of Revelation or something like that. Yeah, that's 218 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:56,440 the British imperial angle is very interesting, Jay, when you took the geopolitical 219 00:17:56,519 --> 00:18:02,039 scope, because going back to previous and like the Holy Roman Empire and the 220 00:18:02,079 --> 00:18:07,319 Crusades trying to achieve not much different really than what the British were trying to 221 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,920 achieve through their imperial machination. So you can see how it's very important and 222 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:17,240 the schism between Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism in the West, and all of these 223 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:22,680 is managing the global imperium and the role that religion plays in that, and 224 00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:29,160 certainly end times dispensationalism, end time narratives, eschatology. I've got a clip 225 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,359 here from John Hagey as you brought him up. He is riding high right 226 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:40,480 now in the evangelical world based on what's happened over the weekend. Let's roll 227 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,240 this clip. I want to get your reactions and comments on this day. 228 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:48,319 Go ahead, exactly did you see last night that you want to share with 229 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:55,319 the people this morning. Prophetically, we are on the verge of the Gog 230 00:18:55,400 --> 00:19:02,400 may Gog war that Ezekiel described in chapter thirty eight and thirty nine. This 231 00:19:02,519 --> 00:19:07,960 attack by Iran, who launched more than two hundred missiles yesterday, is a 232 00:19:08,039 --> 00:19:22,039 tribute to the weak and pathetic leadership of Joe Biden. I assure you, 233 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:33,799 if Ronald Reagan was president, we wouldn't be in this mess. Iran attacked 234 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:41,359 Israel one day after our president looked into the face of the camera and said, 235 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:48,039 don't don't you know they just laid on the ground and tremble with fear. 236 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:56,559 They were loading the launchpad right then, the Democrats are trying to advise 237 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:02,359 Israel to de escalate, which is seek to the ears of a moss in 238 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:08,319 Iran. We don't need to de escalate. A mosque started a war murdering 239 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:25,880 Jewish people. A mosque needs to be wiped out fears. So you heard 240 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,000 me say, love is not what you do. Love is not what you 241 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:32,319 say, it's what you do. So what are we going to do about 242 00:20:32,319 --> 00:20:37,559 it? You know, the providential timing of God is an awesome thing. 243 00:20:38,319 --> 00:20:41,920 Well, it goes on and on, Jay as you can imagine. What 244 00:20:42,279 --> 00:20:47,640 did you make of that? A gog and magog right opening gambit right there 245 00:20:47,799 --> 00:20:53,880 exactly. That's been a favorite of the evangelical and Time's preachers since probably before 246 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,359 I was born. I'm sure, yeah, I mean, if it's conveniently 247 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:03,759 into you know, geopolitical narratives as the need dictates. And you know, 248 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:11,519 he made much ado about these supposed blood moons a few years ago. It 249 00:21:11,519 --> 00:21:14,200 looks to me like he's more interested in moon pies than blood moons. But 250 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,799 when it comes to John Hagy, you know, nobody pays attention to the 251 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:21,519 failed predictions. And this is another thing that we see with a lot of 252 00:21:21,519 --> 00:21:26,000 these characters beyond beyond the geopolitical, maybe even just more down to earth. 253 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,559 Is just sort of the classic con managen where we constantly sort of tease and 254 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:37,240 in times scenario we you know, the Herald Camping style where we predict the 255 00:21:37,319 --> 00:21:40,279 end when it doesn't happen, always sort of moved the goalpost back a little 256 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:42,000 bit. So, you know, he made a big deal about the blood 257 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:47,599 blood moons of Israel or something a while back that wasn't anything. And this 258 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:51,319 is just you know, part and parcel for I think people who are you 259 00:21:51,319 --> 00:21:56,200 know, they work for foreign powers, very very obvious now I think people 260 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,359 can figure that out. So it's sad because it really has no nothing to 261 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:06,079 do with traditional Christian theology whatsoever. But it's again very useful in a sort 262 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:10,240 of geopolitical way, as in times narratives have always been. In fact, 263 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:15,559 if you study cults, many of them capitalize on the imminent end times fear, 264 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,559 panic sensationalism throughout. You can go back to, for example, the 265 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:26,359 Munster Rebellion, I think they had an end times scenario going that you know, 266 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,880 win the state for example, I think the German state persecuted the Munster 267 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:30,880 rebellion and they say, oh, it's the end of the world, right. 268 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:37,319 So anytime there's a cult with the need to induce in the flock fear, 269 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,440 anxiety, manipulation, we see this with, for example, the Joe's 270 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,440 Witnesses. I was just doing another deep dive on them recently, and they 271 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,759 had a famous figure after Charles tas Russell's name was Judge Rutherford, and he 272 00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:53,559 did a very similar move where he said that the Messiah was coming back to 273 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:59,519 San Diego, interestingly, and he told his followers amongst those witnesses, to 274 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,160 their possessions and prepare for a place for David and Jesus to live. And 275 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,799 it ended up being a pretty nice size pad in San Diego that would probably 276 00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:12,599 sell for about ten million dollars. And when Jesus and Moses and David didn't 277 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:17,119 show up, of course, Judge Rutherford ended up living there. Hal Lindsay 278 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,279 did a very similar move where he predicted the rapture thing in nineteen eighty eight, 279 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,319 and if I remember, I think he bought a bunch of Malibu property 280 00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:26,160 when the rapture didn't happen in nineteen eighty eight. So there's a con men 281 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,240 level to this. But again, as you pointed out, there's also this 282 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,759 whipping up the fervor of the mindless evangelical audiences that we'll think that this is 283 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:40,519 somehow initiating end of the world. So in Israel right now, one of 284 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:47,000 the dominating political movements part of the current prime minister's coalition, so the far 285 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:52,240 right, ethno nationalist, hardcore, Benevere small Church. Then you have these 286 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,240 radical settlers. They're now in cabinet positions now in Israel. So many will 287 00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:03,799 argue this is the most rap government ever in the history of the modern state 288 00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:07,880 of Israel, in its infancy whatever eighty years now, I guess it's been 289 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:14,839 going. And so according to the Temple Mount Organization, this is a type 290 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:19,720 of religious ngo. I guess in Israel that they ask for planning permission or 291 00:24:19,759 --> 00:24:26,160 a license to slaughter the red heifer on the Olive Mount within a direct line 292 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:33,000 of sight to Al Kudz as the Palestinians call it, Alexa Moosque, or 293 00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:37,519 the Temple Mount as the Jewish residents refer to it. That's one of the 294 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:42,480 sort of things that triggered off around the hostilities called the Second into Fodder with 295 00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:48,400 aero Sharon going onto the Temple mount and that sort of sparked a religious conflict 296 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:52,680 and another round of hostilities that many will argue were at the at the end 297 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,440 of right now, So, and what is the story with this red heifer? 298 00:24:56,519 --> 00:25:02,359 My understanding is it that they the prophecy is that they'll find this perfect 299 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,079 red cow and then they have to sacrifice it. I guess to atone for 300 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:17,359 worshiping the golden calf, the thing that Moses basically what disapproved of when he 301 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,720 came to So I think that when the when the when the Temple's gone, 302 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,079 there can't be animal sacrifices, or at least the old levitical structure. It 303 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,839 requires the temple, and it requires the you know, ironic priesthood, so 304 00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:34,880 that there's a lot of these requirements which I'm assuming that some of the people 305 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:40,799 from this institute believe that they've met, perhaps they've done genetic testing to figure 306 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:44,480 out who the kohaim aar which would be the descendants of uh, you know, 307 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:49,559 the ironic priesthood. I don't understand the logic of how they would be 308 00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:53,039 able to do it without the temple. Maybe they think that this would initiate 309 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:57,759 the possibility of building the temple at the mosque is in the way, So 310 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:04,920 perhaps this isn't a situation to uh agit prop like a sort of a large 311 00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:08,599 style adjet prop. Might also be what this is intended to do. I 312 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:14,880 don't know. That might be you reference to previous event that sort of sparked 313 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:21,319 Islamic reaction, so it might be for that purpose. But the interesting thing 314 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,480 is that, of course, in you know, Talmudic traditions, it's not 315 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:30,000 exactly what's in the Bible. So the Talmudic traditions sort of they trump what 316 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:33,039 is in the written text of the Torah. So you know, maybe they 317 00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:37,240 have reasoning as to how they can do this without a temple, or they 318 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:42,960 believe that this will initiate the clin the the that this would purify the area 319 00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:45,759 for the new temple that they would like to build. It might be all 320 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:48,839 those things, but to me it seems odd. I would think there has 321 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,599 to be a temple before this works. But I think it's just part of 322 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,640 the the uh dedication of the temple and uh you know, the ability to 323 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:03,480 have the Day of Atonement and all that the way it's supposed to be practiced 324 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,480 according to their tradition. So, but my guess would be there might also 325 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:11,039 be, as you said or implied, a kind of a agit prop psychological 326 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:15,480 operation going on here. Yeah, it would be considered a major provocation, 327 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:22,039 definitely right exactly to especially for Palestinians and Muslims living there, even Christians as 328 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:26,559 well, building a third temple on the Temple Mount. The construction of the 329 00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:32,680 Third Temple, this would be the sort of you know, moment where I 330 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,000 don't know is that when Israel supposedly comes into its own Certainly the Christian Zionists 331 00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:41,400 look at this moment as really important, some kind of a harbinger for the 332 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,759 coming of the Messiah. I'm not sure if I've got all that right. 333 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,440 Well, they're coming of it the Antichrist. I mean, I think most 334 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:56,359 evangelical believe that the next temple that would be erected would be for the Antichrist, 335 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,839 and that that would kick off, you know, the events of Armageddon 336 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:04,480 or the apocalypse, which would lead to a world government, a world religion, 337 00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:08,319 and so forth under Antichrist, and then you would have the end of 338 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,880 that after a period of time, with a return of Christ. So in 339 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:18,359 the evangelical mind, it signifies that I would say that it also could signify 340 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:23,160 that to Orthodox and Catholic theologians as well, who, although they don't share 341 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:32,839 the same dispensational ideas of evangelicals, there is a pretty common consensus amongst Orthodox 342 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,039 and Catholic church fathers, historians, theologians that there would eventually be some final 343 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,680 temple that would be dedicated to Antichrist. Whether this is that, I have 344 00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:44,359 no idea. Of course, we don't even have a temple yet, but 345 00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:48,680 if that's where this is going, it would be interpreted by a large portion 346 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:53,000 of the Christian world in general as that, Well, that's one of the 347 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,799 strange things about this and times on the kind of Christian Zionis side, because 348 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,599 and I had this conversation with Christian Zionists and saying, what are you going 349 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:03,880 to do? I mean, what are you going to do with all of 350 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,720 these Jewish people in the in the Holy Land? What? What's what's the 351 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,319 what's the plan? They said, well, they're gonna have to convert. 352 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:18,680 They're gonna have to convert. So so there it's like the Jewish lobby, 353 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:25,240 the Israeli lobby definitely relies on Christian Zionists to bolster their political power, uh 354 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,720 and financial power in the US, and that helps Israel. But at the 355 00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:33,000 same time, the Christian Zionists are kind of using the the Jews in the 356 00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:36,720 Holy Land to as a sort of means to an end, to get to 357 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,240 their final story. So both sides are kind of using each other in a 358 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,839 way. It's a very strange dance. Jay, Yeah. The evangelical yeah, 359 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:51,799 exactly. The evangelical Zionist position believes that when these events are sort of 360 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,799 kicked off, like you know, Domino's or something, that this will lead 361 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,359 to a mass conversion of the Jews. They then believe that the Jews would 362 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:04,359 then convert a large portion of humanity in this end time scenario. So if 363 00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:10,559 this is that from their perspective, right, if they begin to see a 364 00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:14,799 temple being constructed, if they begin to see, you know, movement in 365 00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:18,960 that direction, the evangelical Zionists will believe that it is the final seven years 366 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,440 to the end of the world or whatever, the armageddon period, and they 367 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,240 will believe that the Jews are going to convert in mass and so forth. 368 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:33,279 So it's a little more amorphous and ambiguous in the other Christian churches and traditions 369 00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:37,400 as to what exactly would be the sequence, because they tend to interpret a 370 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,400 lot of these events in a more allegorical and spiritual way and not in such 371 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,000 a literal way in terms of the Book of Revelation. So yeah, it's 372 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,240 hard to know exactly what the reaction will be amongst those a lot of those 373 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,839 grips. But one thing that's ironic is I remember some years ago there was 374 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,640 vidego going around that they were interviewing a lot of Israelis and a lot of 375 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,000 their perspectives on Christian Zionists, and they were all making fun of them, 376 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:06,200 calling them completely retards. So so the Israeli perspective of the Zionists is that 377 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,440 they're idiots. The're Christian Zionists, right, so they don't have any respect 378 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,680 or appreciation or the law is not mutual, right, They're essentially just useful 379 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,720 idiots, perhaps, And I think that, yeah, in many ways, 380 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:25,440 this is a sort of a just a bizarre delusion that's I guess born out 381 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:32,480 of the fanaticism of the peculiarities of American Protestantism, Puritanism, Evangelicalism, which 382 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:37,759 sort of wants and grasps for maybe it's a way to see a confirmation for 383 00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:41,640 their beliefs and for their system that if there is these signs and these events, 384 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,440 then this must be the end of the end of days and it must 385 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,599 then confirm, you know, whatever the peculiar position is. Yeah, that's 386 00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:56,720 that sort of self fulfilling circular totology. I mean you talk about this with 387 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,960 cults. That's one of the key things, isn't it. If you have 388 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,720 a kind of a cult movement or an organization, you need these types of 389 00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:09,519 beliefs in place in order to hold the group together, to keep the group 390 00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:15,240 think together. And so would you say that it is possible to describe some 391 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:21,920 of the aspects of I mean going to be controversial for some Christians and Pentecostal 392 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,519 people, whatever, but some aspects of Christian Zionism are slightly cultish. Is 393 00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:30,920 that a stretch to say this? No? Absolutely, I mean I would 394 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:36,279 say that again the way that say, an Orthodox or a Roman Catholic person 395 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:43,079 perceives the Church to be the spiritual Israel. The evangelical Zionists doesn't really see 396 00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:46,160 the church or a church or historical church. Is that relevant? That is 397 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:52,079 all sort of transferred to the nation state of Israel or what's going on over 398 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:55,319 in you since post nineteen forty eight or whatever. So they see that that 399 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,880 as kind of their church. That's essentially where all of their you know, 400 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,799 their prayer, their focus is all, you know, based on whatever's going 401 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,359 down in the Middle East on a day to day perspective. So no, 402 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:15,559 I think that's completely cult like. Not that everyone in those groups is a 403 00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:22,880 cult leader necessarily willingly involved in this, but I think that they're They're incorrect, 404 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:29,200 and it does operate very cult like in many sectors for sure. So 405 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,480 what you're saying there, Jay, in the difference of the interpretation of what 406 00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:38,160 is the church or what is Zion or what is Israel, there's one that's 407 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,960 a very materialistic interpretation of that a thing, a plot of land, a 408 00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:46,599 temple, and there's another way of interpreting it. It's more of a concept 409 00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:51,519 and idea, a spiritual destination, if you will. Is that a good 410 00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:58,440 way to sort of describe those two that schism absolutely, I think, you 411 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,279 know, all throughout the New Tent in particular, and then into the early 412 00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:06,880 days of Christianity, there was already a temptation towards what's called Judaizing, which 413 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:12,519 is the idea that Christianity needs to go back to or import more and more 414 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:19,280 of the Judaic elements rather than Christianity being its own thing with a proper sort 415 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,679 of Old Testament framework. But then also that it needs perhaps circumcision, that 416 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,519 it needs the Jewish feast days and all. This is this sort of stuff 417 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:30,559 which again the early Church in the first three fourth centuries already dealt with this. 418 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,480 In fact, you see it in the Book of Acts in chapter fifteen. 419 00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:38,519 There's already a question of what's the relationship between Christianity to the new emerging 420 00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:43,960 Church and Jews and Gentiles. And this issue was already solved in Acts fifteen, 421 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,320 and the decision was that Gentiles do not need to become Jews to be 422 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:54,400 Christians. And so much of the New Testament literature, whether it's Paul's Letters 423 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,840 to the Galatians, Romans, the Book of Hebrews, they're all dealing with 424 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,000 these issues, and they were all settled a long time ago. And that's 425 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:07,679 why you don't really have anything like dispensationalism until it becomes geopolitically useful in the 426 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:13,599 late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds to the British Empire. So that's really what 427 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:17,000 is the key I think to unlocking a lot of this is just understanding its 428 00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:22,360 usefulness. And as you pointed out the patterns that we see with other cult 429 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,920 movements. I think we had mentioned the Black Heuber Israelites recently that you see 430 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,039 very similar ideas of They're not the same as the Evangelical Christian Zionists, but 431 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:36,559 there's a lot of parallels in terms of that cult movement with this idea of 432 00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:39,920 being LARPing. Oh, we're the real Jews. Jews aren't Jews, we're 433 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:45,840 the real Jews. And it's actually a borrowed sort of oppression narrative that the 434 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,800 Book of Exodus, because it talks about slavery in Egypt, that must therefore 435 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:57,119 be talking about the slavery experience of black people in you know, modern post 436 00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:00,719 you know, the last few cent but it has nothing that's not what the 437 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:06,079 Axodus is talking about, right, So the context is not it's about the 438 00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:08,199 stories of you know, the Jews in Egypt and Pharaoh and all that, 439 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:14,519 but that's appropriated by the cults to be them. So basically a lot of 440 00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:17,480 these groups are basically just trying to sort of larp as something else. Is 441 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,239 the point? No, it is as fast fascinating. I want to talk 442 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:28,440 about that. That's an interesting emerging type of thing I've seen on the Internet. 443 00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:36,519 A lot of these movements have really like reproduced themselves rapidly on social media 444 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,639 in the ways that they haven't been before. Before. You used to have 445 00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:43,000 to go to the street corners of New York and you know, Detroit and 446 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:46,039 Atlanta, and you might meet some of these people, but it had newsletters 447 00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:52,480 and stuff. Now you have huge online organizations about this. I'm with Jay 448 00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:57,920 Dyer, a fantastic analyst, a philosopher and author, a presenter. We're 449 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,119 talking about the end Times, cults, Christian Zionism, Israel, the Red 450 00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:06,440 Hafer. We're going to delve into a little more of this on the other 451 00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:09,440 side. I'm Patrick Kenningson, your host. This is TNT Today's News Talk. 452 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:15,159 We'll be right back after these messages. Right now, the forgotten poor 453 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,519 are waiting for healing and care, for life saving medical care, for a 454 00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:24,599 chance to live with dignity and hope. They are waiting for Mercy Ships and 455 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,440 you. Mercy Ships is the largest floating civilian hospital in the world, with 456 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:35,719 volunteer medical staff and crew who donate their time to save lives and now, 457 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,239 as our newest state of the art hospital ship sets sail, Mercy Ships will 458 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:45,159 double our ability to reach children and adults who need us now. Without the 459 00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:49,920 work of Mercy Ships, these patients don't have another option. Mercy Ships is 460 00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:54,840 answering the call to serve suffering people who have nowhere else to turn. Together, 461 00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:59,800 we are going to some of the world's most desperate places and bringing a 462 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:07,320 of hope and healing to those who need it most. To learn more about 463 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:13,119 this wave of hope, go to mercyships dot org today. Hi, I'm 464 00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:15,599 Ryan Blaney, a third generational race car driver, and we dedicate a lot 465 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:19,679 of our time to going as fast as possible. But when my grandpa was 466 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,039 diagnosed with Alzheimer's, it was a very unexpected bump in the road for us. 467 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,320 It's important to notice if older family members are acting differently, experiencing problems 468 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,599 with their memory, or having trouble with routine tasks. Early detection of Alzheimer's 469 00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:35,360 can give your family time to explore support services, make a plan for the 470 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,800 future, and access available treatments. If you or your family are noticing changes, 471 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:45,079 it could be Alzheimer's talk about seeing a doctor together. Patrick Henningson talks 472 00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:52,519 on Today's News Talk Radio TNT. Welcome back, folks to the final segment 473 00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:57,360 of the final hour of this live broadcast here on Monday. And in case 474 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:02,079 anybody didn't notice, we are extremely close to a sort of World War three 475 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:07,960 type of escalation ladder in the Middleast, now Iran facing off against Israel. 476 00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:13,719 This is a woken the Christian right. Of course, Christian Zionists are now 477 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:19,440 anticipating that we're getting very close to that final battle, the armageddon that is 478 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,760 they've been talking about for years, for centuries in fact, in some cases. 479 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,440 To help us navigate some of this, I'm with Jay Dyer. He 480 00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:31,440 is an author, presenter. He's also a philosopher, a real philosopher, 481 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,639 I might add, Jay, there's a lot of people who call themselves philosophers 482 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,719 online, and as we're on the subject, one of them is Ben Shapiro, 483 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,760 who other people call the philosopher that he's been called the most the greatest 484 00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:51,960 or most popular, most read or most listened to online philosopher in the world. 485 00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:55,880 And Jordan Peterson as well is the most popular, most just because he 486 00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,000 stinks of the bacologic tacologic mat Patrick, because he only stinks the taxologic. 487 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:02,679 That's it. So no emotions, only in facts and logic. That's fine. 488 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,639 So I got your impression. So so you know, on that topic, 489 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,880 just on the on the political and the philosophical side of this as well, 490 00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:19,079 Ben Shapiro took took a very hard stance defending Israel UH and everything they 491 00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:22,840 were doing after October seventh, and he's come a lot of pushback, a 492 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,679 lot of heat he's taken as a result of that, the big split with 493 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,880 Candace Owens and the Daily Wire and everything. And it is funny and I 494 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:39,320 thought it's interesting this He became famous battling identity politics and SJW social justice warriors, 495 00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:43,360 and it seems to me, Jane, tell me if I'm completely out 496 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,599 of bounds here, I'm sure some people are going to be pissed off of 497 00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:49,480 what I'm about to say. But he seems to be one of the greatest, 498 00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:59,000 biggest SJW social justice warriors and identity politics peddlers. But for Zionism or 499 00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:05,719 for Israeli or Jewish identity politics, he is absolutely their number one ambassador. 500 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,079 And it seems like this is kind of an extreme version of identity politics, 501 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:15,119 but one that nobody likes to talk about, but it does manifest itself in 502 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:20,000 politics of course, in culture as well, and right now it's it's a 503 00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:23,239 front and center issue with what's going on in the Middle East in terms of 504 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:30,880 the you know, viability of the Jewish state of Israel or the whatever Desigonist 505 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,639 state of Israel. What do you think about that? Do you think that 506 00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:37,119 this is a type of identity politics. Yeah, I think that. And 507 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:44,920 you know, in the way media is now online, it's very difficult to 508 00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:49,480 have double standards, and so people are immediately going to recognize those double standards 509 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,639 to where if you're pushing, you know, your firm belief in free speech 510 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:59,440 and then doubling down and saying that, I'm trying to remember the phraseology he 511 00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:02,920 used about to Tucker and other people that were asking questions, and Shapiro says, 512 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,440 you're not just asking questions. You're not allowed to ask questions. Yet 513 00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:13,800 it wouldn't that be free speech. So whatever you believe a person's motives are 514 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,239 for asking the questions is really irrelevant to whether it's still part of the free 515 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:22,800 speech to ask those questions. So I think people are just recognizing very quickly 516 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,679 double standards. We know the Daily Wire was very adamant when it came to 517 00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:31,320 stabbies that they promoted, when it came to other things that they promoted, 518 00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:37,920 and then later we saw people like Shapiro and Jordan Peterson sort of backing away 519 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,440 from and kind of saying maybe they were wrong about that, I think when 520 00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:46,599 it was absolutely necessary to do so. I suspect that I don't have no 521 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,519 knowledge of this. My opinion is that the probably the Daily Wire doesn't allow 522 00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:57,480 anybody there near anybody that has quote conspiracy theories. Of course, we don't 523 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,280 really know what that is. I mean, that could be that to just 524 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,159 be your geopolitical analysis just happens to be quote conspiracy. I mean, we've 525 00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:07,280 talked about the history of dispensationalism. Is that conspiracy theory or is that just 526 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:13,440 geopolitics? So these are very ambiguous to terms that are not really defined. 527 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,880 And I think that the you know, those outlets that are often referred to 528 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:22,000 as con inc are being called out on a lot of these double standards and 529 00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:28,599 hypocritical positions, and people are seeing them not really budging very much, trying 530 00:43:28,639 --> 00:43:32,679 to keep doubling down, but that's I just don't know how long that's gonna 531 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:38,639 work if it keeps being exposed that we've got all these double standards. So 532 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,400 you know, this is where we are with the internet. I mean, 533 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,679 everything's out there, people can go dig it up. And so you either 534 00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:49,079 have to admit, all right, I was wrong, I changed my view, 535 00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:53,000 that was wrong about that. I just don't know how well how long 536 00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:58,400 that doubling down can last. And absolutely it's another kind of identity politics that 537 00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:04,280 can be manipulated, which you've covered for many years. And also I think 538 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,760 you know, one of the most one of the models that he chose, 539 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:14,000 which I guess works was for many years. Yeah, he was debating social 540 00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:17,039 justice warriors and sort of owning the Libs and all, but he was really 541 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,920 debating a bunch of you know, purple haired eighteen year old college students. 542 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,280 I mean, who couldn't win a debate with an eighteen year old college student 543 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,440 who doesn't know anything, you know, and it's sort of spouting out about 544 00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:34,079 you know, dolphins and identifying as a clopper or something. I mean, 545 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,760 who couldn't win that debate. So it's a very low hanging fruit model that 546 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,360 con inc relied on for so long, and I'm starting to think that, 547 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,920 you know, we're really seeing the that model kind of breaking. It's not 548 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,840 gonna work to continue to own the libs like its twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen 549 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,239 anymore when people can see that you were pushing the stabby and the lockdowns and 550 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,320 all this. Maybe they didn't push lockdowns. I don't know about that, 551 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,280 but pushing the stabby at least a few years ago is stabby. That's uh, 552 00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:07,599 that's code for jibby jab. I'm just so used to, you know, 553 00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:09,840 YouTube, YouTube makes me speak another language because of you know, all 554 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,159 the censorships. I'm just used to the code words now. I know you 555 00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:15,440 have to you do you do have to use code words, don't you. 556 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,119 I know you do, just to keep your videos up on that platform. 557 00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:23,280 It's pretty uh, pretty crazy. Yeah, this is that's interesting. You 558 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:30,079 know, Candice owens to me, she's fascinating because they really worked hard to 559 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:36,400 kind of cultivate her as this sort of you know conservative really the tip of 560 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,000 the spear. Actually, they really used her out front to sort of you 561 00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:44,119 know, fight off the woke, all this sort of black lives matter, 562 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,840 the the the crazed college students that you were talking about, and Ben Shapiro 563 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,840 was just kind of there micromanaging all that, and all of a sudden she's 564 00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:57,400 asserting her Christian identity and she said, I think it was christ as King. 565 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,840 That was a controversial statement, apparent only a bridge too far for some. 566 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,960 And then you start seeing these these splits and these shouldn't be political, 567 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:10,360 but yet it's hard to separate the politics and the religion because this kind of 568 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,599 proves it, doesn't it. Yeah, you know, it's a lot of 569 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:21,079 a lot of issues there. You know, the idea of social teaching of 570 00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:24,400 Christianity and the Christian Church. This is something that for example, historically, 571 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:29,039 at least the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church, I've had a pretty fairly 572 00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:35,760 consistent idea that there are social norms that Christian peoples and Christian nations can expect 573 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,039 and should work for in the civil sphere. So you know, things like 574 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,639 pro life and maybe if you're if you believe in the death thing, you 575 00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:45,880 might be pro death penalty, et cetera. There's all these there's different positions 576 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,599 that one could list, you know, ethically and morally that might be a 577 00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:52,079 part of that. But when it comes to the evangelical sphere. This is 578 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:57,519 a little more controversial because, of course, I think Daily Wire has kind 579 00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:02,320 of an outreach to both sort of no army Roman Catholics out there through Walsh 580 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,599 and Knowles, and then sort of an outreach to maybe the sort of a 581 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:12,159 Norman evangelical world through Ben Shapiro and some of the other ladies that are commentators 582 00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:14,280 there. And perhaps, as you said, I think, you know, 583 00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:20,920 the Candice was intended to fill another role there for maybe reaching black audiences with 584 00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:24,639 a conservative message. And when you get to one of these key issues that 585 00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:30,880 divides for example, classic Protestant and Catholic theology or Orthodox theology, like the 586 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:37,719 social kingship of Christ, and is there a sense in which Christian theology relates 587 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:44,360 to the civil sphere, it's very difficult to not come to an impasse there, 588 00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:49,119 and I think that's partly what was going on. That does offend a 589 00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:55,280 lot of Christian Zionists, It defends a lot of perhaps secular minded people in 590 00:47:55,320 --> 00:48:00,559 America, it defends the atheist so it's a very hot button contition, intentious 591 00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:07,360 issue. I don't think it's intentionally antisemitic, So that was an odd angle 592 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,880 on this, so everything seems to be turned into everything is an offensive antisemitic 593 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,840 issue. I don't think everything is. So there was a lot going on 594 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:22,719 in this crisis King of Candae issue, but it forced I think this this 595 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,519 reckoning. I guess you could say with you know, what is conn inc 596 00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:31,840 Really is this really about quote conservative message or is this another version of Fox 597 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:39,840 News? Basically yeah, And also it's the cultivating the anti semitism charge is 598 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,880 kind of losing its sting because it's kind of been overused over eggs. So, 599 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,639 but itself is a victimology sort of framework, isn't it so? And 600 00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:53,119 this is the very thing that Ben Shapiro railed against the left for constantly, 601 00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:57,800 and he himself is using it as his sort of you know, magic cloak, 602 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,079 but it just doesn't have it doesn't have the same effect that it had 603 00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:07,000 before. So this is just one of those big sort of tools, if 604 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,880 you will, in sort of you know, it's like a hand grenade. 605 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,239 It used to be able to throw into the debate, and there's end it 606 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,679 just say anti semitism. Now that that's gone, now people having to have 607 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,880 real conversations about some of this stuff. So I actually think this is a 608 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,559 great time, Jay, where there's an opportunity for real debate now on some 609 00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:31,199 of these issues that were just so pinned down with all of these different guardrails, 610 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,800 And it seems like, I don't know if you agree or not, 611 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,159 but the conversation is getting a lot more open, a lot more honest, 612 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,719 and people are saying things that maybe they couldn't say before. I'm not talking 613 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,400 about the extreme racist element, and believe me that this has green lit a 614 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:53,519 lot of hardcore Nazis to come out from the shadows and reassert themselves on social 615 00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:59,880 media. But what are your thoughts about the current atmosphere for discourse right now? 616 00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:05,159 Yeah, I like the analogy you gave there of a grenade. I 617 00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:09,480 mean, it used to be any topic at all, these hot button topics 618 00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:14,239 that you would bring up, you know, just immediately shouted down, and 619 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,800 so no rational discourse, no reason discourse, no real debate. I think 620 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,800 a lot of people in media realized that there's no point in certain topics even 621 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:28,639 being discussed, and I think that we're still at that phase of maybe not 622 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:34,519 with the fact of Israel being everywhere in the news, everywhere, in discussion, 623 00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:38,719 everywhere in debate, that it's really impossible to tell everyone you can't say 624 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,440 anything or or criticize Israel in any way, and I think a lot of 625 00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:49,360 people and even in Israel, are critical perhaps of the regime there. So 626 00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:55,239 ideally, I think what the West has has shot for at least since well, 627 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,000 even in the Middle Ages, even before the Enlightenment, there was a 628 00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:04,960 very vibrant culture of debate. You can go back to the medieval universities which 629 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,000 would had a public a debate sphere going all the time, and that would 630 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:14,079 even include a laity. It wasn't just the priests there, there were lay 631 00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:17,760 professors that were debating all the time. A Byzantium was known for a very 632 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,039 vibrant debate culture. A lot of people don't know this, so it's very 633 00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:27,559 much a part of our tradition. And to have you know, big tech 634 00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:31,280 and all of this mainstream media in the last twenty thirty forty years, more 635 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:36,159 mainstream legacy media and then big tech, you know, trying to really shut 636 00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:39,440 down all discourse at all. It really, I think is more and more 637 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:45,599 backfiring, and people are realizing I think the koof was really the COVID was 638 00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:49,280 really what woke everybody up to hey, wait a minute, like you can't 639 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,719 even talk about this, you know, I remactin right, you can't say 640 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,480 anything. And then now we're realizing, well, now wait a minute. 641 00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,159 If we couldn't talk about all that stuff, how come we can't talk about 642 00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:06,360 what's going on in terms of Israel versus Palestine. And I think that the 643 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,199 eventually the dam just broke to where people just decided we're going to talk about 644 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:14,079 it anyway. The entire world is talking about it, so it's ridiculous to 645 00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:19,360 try to continue to use these heavy handed measures to not let people talk about 646 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,039 it. And that, actually, I think was an overstepping of the power 647 00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:28,599 structure. The power structure tried to be so heavy handed that it ended up 648 00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:35,400 I think causing the dam to burst. Yeah, and you're I remember watching 649 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,880 this, I don't know of the seventies, you've probably seen the old clips 650 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:43,000 jay on PBS, and we have these debates between these intellectuals, and Michel 651 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,599 Foucoh versus William F. Buckley was the dividing lote, like the Buckley Show. 652 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,480 Yeah. Yeah, they used to have these programs and they were heavily 653 00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:57,320 promoted, like people would stop organize their evening around some of these debates and 654 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,960 then that kind of subsided that culture. But I think it's coming back. 655 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,440 I know you're also you're that's a big part of what you do is you 656 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,480 platform debates. You're doing it on ex Twitter spaces right now and you're getting 657 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,280 a lot of interest. You did this on YouTube for years as well, 658 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,239 and you and some others, you guys have really you know, your your 659 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:22,199 sort of group of I don't know, maverick sort of intellectual philosophical mavericks have 660 00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:27,559 platformed these debates and you've made it more trendy I think, and more fashionable 661 00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:30,320 to that this is something that people should be spending their time watching and doing 662 00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:35,360 for younger generations as well. So I think you've been successful, especially in 663 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:42,159 the religious and philosophical fields. So I do see that that trend increasing and 664 00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:45,880 it's just going to get bigger and bigger. So if you had, if 665 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,320 you had a chance to square off against somebody, who would you want to 666 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,039 debate? If you had the opportunity right now? Oh that's a tough I 667 00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:58,519 mean, we've invinded quite a few people to do debates. I've noticed with 668 00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:01,400 a lot of the really big name people quite often what happens is that it 669 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,639 kind of you kind of have to keep pressing it. It usually takes maybe 670 00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:09,440 one to two years before maybe they realized who you were. They they've heard 671 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,920 your name enough and then they agreed to a debate. But you know, 672 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,599 we've asked a lot of people that were pretty big name people that turned it 673 00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:20,519 down. I mean, I've thrown out there that on Twitter. You know, 674 00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:22,920 I'd like to debate Ben Shapiro. I'd like to debate Mohammed his job. 675 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,559 I'd like to debate cosmic skeptic Dawkins, you know, in any of 676 00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,639 those kinds of characters. Sam Harris, Sam Harris, Sure I would, 677 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,679 But I don't think for a lot of those people there's much incentive for them 678 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,960 to do to debate. You know that they have, I guess more to 679 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:42,039 lose, nothing to gain by having a debate with me. But but certainly 680 00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:45,000 those would be you know people I would. I would. I wouldn't say 681 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,840 no to those people for sure. No, that's that's definitely something some of 682 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,639 those names will probably happen at some point, Jay, so some to look 683 00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:57,639 forward to. Jay Dyer really appreciate You've got a live show coming up. 684 00:54:57,639 --> 00:55:00,960 Give it a shout before we go. I gotta thank you. You can 685 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,559 find me over at Jays Analysis. You can find me on Twitter under my 686 00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:07,920 name Jay Dyer. You can get my books at Jays Analysis. My recent 687 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,639 book is this Little Introduction to Philosophy, a lot of essays that I've done 688 00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:16,119 over the years about philosophy. And you can get my books at the website 689 00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:20,159 and the shop. And a live event coming up. You got to live. 690 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:21,760 Oh, I'm sorry, we have a lot of Yeah, June and 691 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,679 twenty second in Las Vegas with Jamie Kennedy. I would be doing six hour 692 00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,480 event of lectures and comedy, so it's gonna be a lot of fun. 693 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,880 Jaydyer in Las Vegas. Folks, get your tickets. Jay, thank you 694 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,679 very much. Big thank you to Tony Gosling in the first hour. Big 695 00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,199 thank you to our listeners, our viewers for a fantastic program. We'll see 696 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,559 the same time, same place tomorrow. Patrick Cunnings and your host signing out.