1
00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:21,120
What is krack alackin Hardwood Knocks listeners, I am Dan for Valley coming out

2
00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:28,600
you with the ever fit tabulous BS
meter extraordinaire, Grant Hughes our division look

3
00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,760
ahead train or it's a free agency
look ahead train, because remember they're not

4
00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,560
previews or primers, their look aheads. It rolls onward. We are onto

5
00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,880
the Central Division. This is gonna
be a fun division because all of them

6
00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,840
have been fun. And you might
be listening to your first podcast of a

7
00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,439
two podcast day. That's how you
know that we're nuts and we don't care

8
00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:49,320
about ad revenue. We just want
to get the podcasts out, Grant.

9
00:00:49,399 --> 00:00:53,840
The most important question, though,
is how are you doing? I mean,

10
00:00:54,759 --> 00:00:59,280
ordinary people are doing fine and keep
the world going around, but it's

11
00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,280
the true legend that are whatever.
I can't remember what Kyrie tweeted yesterday,

12
00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,959
but it's my new favorite thing that
I'm going to say. Just all that

13
00:01:06,079 --> 00:01:08,040
I'm gonna fit it in all the
time. I'm doing great. It's us

14
00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,760
publishing two podcasts probably in the same
in the same day. That's probably it.

15
00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,879
That's probably what he was referring to. Right, normal people keep the

16
00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:19,519
world going, but those who are
dare to be different lead us into tomorrow

17
00:01:19,879 --> 00:01:25,959
absolutely putting out two buckets the same
day as the brief refresher here, and

18
00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,120
for anyone who's new hasn't listened to
the other ones, you should check those

19
00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,840
out. Number one, we aim
to do cabinets or less on each team

20
00:01:33,879 --> 00:01:38,200
that has gone wildly off the rails
with the Atlantic Division and also the Southwest

21
00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,760
Division. It will not be happening
with the Central Division because Grant and I

22
00:01:41,799 --> 00:01:45,079
are committed to, you know,
keeping this to under eight hours, So

23
00:01:45,079 --> 00:01:48,480
we'll put ten minutes on the clock
to talk about every team's free agency vitals.

24
00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:49,920
I'll list those off, and we'll
just get into a discussion about what

25
00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,599
our biggest needs are, priorities,
questions. Listen that end perspective targets,

26
00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,239
which is what everyone wants to hear, because this podcast has already been aggregated

27
00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,840
a couple of times with targets that
Grant and I were thrown back and forth.

28
00:02:00,879 --> 00:02:04,040
So there you go. That's look, do I need to quote where's

29
00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,120
that quote again? Let me read
it. Without targets. We're going alphabetically,

30
00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:13,280
which we've been stellar at. We're
gonna continue to live dangerously though the

31
00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,199
Chicago Bulls are now on the clock. They are key free agents or Zach

32
00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,719
Lavine, who is going to get
a lot of money. Derrick Jones Junior,

33
00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,439
they have early bird writes on him. Tony Bradley has not done anything

34
00:02:24,439 --> 00:02:28,159
with his player option as of this
recording, and he has until June twenty

35
00:02:28,199 --> 00:02:30,479
ninth to do so. Troy Brown
Junior is restricted, and they have non

36
00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:36,520
bird free agents in Matt Thomas and
Tristan Thompson. No notable non guarantees for

37
00:02:36,599 --> 00:02:40,639
me on this roster. The most
notable extension candidates are Nikolavukovich. I imagine

38
00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,319
they will probably not give him one, but that's size point Kobe White,

39
00:02:44,719 --> 00:02:49,560
and then they have the Daniel Tye
trade exception which expires on July seventh.

40
00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,240
It's worth five million, their best
spending tool projects to be even with the

41
00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:57,719
max penciled in for zach Lavine.
The non tax player mid level exception value

42
00:02:57,759 --> 00:03:00,560
to ten point three million dollars grand. What are you looking for from the

43
00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,479
Bulls? What do they need?
What are you watching? What is just

44
00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,000
ruminating in your brain about it?
Just like the thirty thousand feet view is

45
00:03:07,039 --> 00:03:12,400
you know they're a playoff team and
look like more than that at points last

46
00:03:12,479 --> 00:03:15,439
year early on before it kind of
went sideways, and that had a lot

47
00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:19,879
to do with injuries and Lonzo Balls
Still, I think they're not sure.

48
00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,879
He's not looking great with that knee
that was operated on. So you can

49
00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:29,479
kind of look across the roster for
what they need help with, and it

50
00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:34,240
depends on how healthy Ball is and
Caruso can stay healthy this year. They

51
00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,159
have some decent guard depth if everything
shakes out right, I think they still

52
00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:42,400
need, you know, defensive forward
helps some shot blocking and defensive upgrade on

53
00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,840
Kolabuchevich, and shooting is always going
to matter, and you know, depending

54
00:03:47,879 --> 00:03:53,319
on what happens with Pat Williams development, they might need another kind of defensive

55
00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,680
focused wing or big forward. So
quite a few needs there. But obviously

56
00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,080
the first thing, and you mentioned
it, is what are we going to

57
00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,680
do with Zack Lavine eligible for two
hundred and twelve ish million. I think

58
00:04:02,719 --> 00:04:08,000
over five years we've come a long
way since we were making fun of the

59
00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,439
Kings for offering him four years and
seventy or whatever, and I vividly remember

60
00:04:12,479 --> 00:04:15,759
that and boy, yeah, way
wrong, way wrong on that. Buchevich

61
00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,040
is also eligible for an extension,
which is kind of funny to imagine that

62
00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:26,600
that I don't think is going to
happen. You know, you could galaxy

63
00:04:26,639 --> 00:04:30,199
brain it and say they want to
preserve a salary slot or whatever by keeping

64
00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,279
him at a certain number. But
I would look to trade him as as

65
00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,279
the first option if I had to
choose between extension and doing something else.

66
00:04:38,959 --> 00:04:44,360
Yeah, I mean, they're they're
gonna have like a decent number of targets

67
00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,480
because if you're looking for defensive forwards
and wings that you're not super concerned about

68
00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:54,879
the shooting, you can find those. The reverse is trickier. So I

69
00:04:54,879 --> 00:04:56,839
don't know if you want to get
into targets deat or if you have some

70
00:04:56,879 --> 00:05:00,759
more kind of big picture thoughts on
the Bulls. I actually was wondering if

71
00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:05,199
this team is a more important trade
team for the reasons you're mentioning about foods

72
00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:11,000
and even having Kobe White be extension
eligible, And I think what hamstrings them

73
00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,360
is they don't have all these future
first to turn around and trade. Now

74
00:05:16,079 --> 00:05:19,639
you can you have your I think
the first allowable draft pick they can move

75
00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:24,160
is in twenty twenty seven right now, and that's assuming the obligation to San

76
00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:27,319
Antonio conveys, and so you could
look at it all, right, well

77
00:05:27,399 --> 00:05:30,279
there's the car driven off the lot
thing, but dal and Terry is still

78
00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,360
going to be interesting and he might
bring some of the wing depth that they

79
00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,160
need. But how big of a
role do you expect a rookie to play

80
00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:42,600
on a team that has aspirations?
And so can you even build? Basically

81
00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:46,519
is Patrick Williams have enough mystique to
get you enough of an upgrade to where

82
00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:47,879
you're a substantially better team. And
I know this has been build as a

83
00:05:47,959 --> 00:05:51,360
Rudy Gobert team. I don't hate
the idea, but I don't love the

84
00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:56,399
idea of Rudy Gobert and Demard Rozen
in the same half court offense and demarc

85
00:05:56,519 --> 00:06:00,560
Rosen's great, but the space and
get a little wonky there, I would

86
00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,399
think. And then you go through
what else they would need. The other

87
00:06:03,439 --> 00:06:06,519
thing is how do you go from
Vouch? I guess is it easier to

88
00:06:06,519 --> 00:06:10,399
get an upgrade at this point?
Is that a misallocation of assets to try

89
00:06:10,399 --> 00:06:15,199
and upgrade from Booch? At this
point I would argue that you don't need

90
00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:16,720
to go to the Rudy Gobert route. It's if you want to get a

91
00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,120
different center, can Vouch be part
of a larger trade or either breaking him

92
00:06:20,199 --> 00:06:26,079
up into different players, or is
there just a different archetype of player that

93
00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,000
you like if they really wanted you
know, this is just an example,

94
00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,600
and the Kings don't need him,
but Harrison Barnes and there's a three team

95
00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:33,040
deal where you send out Vooge and
then you could just send you could sign

96
00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,240
a bigger big, like a big
excuse me, you could sign a big

97
00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,279
on the cheap. That feels like
the route they could go. The trademarket

98
00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:43,240
also doesn't feel conducive to them making
a move like that, because, as

99
00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,720
I mentioned, I don't love Rudy
Gobert for Chicago. They're not going to

100
00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,600
be a John's Collins team. They're
not a Dejante Murray team. Maybe the

101
00:06:49,639 --> 00:06:54,040
trademarket develops in some way that we
haven't seen just yet, but they sort

102
00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,879
of need like the not superstar,
fringe star guy to become available, who

103
00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,800
just makes a ton of sense for
the roster. Yeah, I think you

104
00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:09,800
know. First of all, in
contrast to the art takes on the zach

105
00:07:09,879 --> 00:07:14,920
Lavine his last deal, I feel
like I was like right away and very

106
00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,720
vehemently against the trade that brought Buchevitch
over from Orlando, just because of the

107
00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:21,720
pick equity they gave up, and
it was like, let's get at a

108
00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:25,560
six seed type of type of move. I was as well, and Bulls

109
00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,519
fans were pretty livid with anyone who
was against it. But I think they're

110
00:07:28,519 --> 00:07:30,759
starting to and that's not a shot
at Bulls fans like Bouche was a really

111
00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:34,439
good player, but the amount they
gave up for him was yeah, well,

112
00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,680
and now here we are talking about
like, well, how do we

113
00:07:36,759 --> 00:07:40,879
do that on the spot, So
I just you know, because we have

114
00:07:40,959 --> 00:07:45,000
to send every center to the Hornets, like maybe and not that Bushevitch would

115
00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,879
solve any of the Hornets problems defensively
in the middle, but he would,

116
00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:53,879
you know, be an upgrade over
presumably plumbly and or playing rookies. You

117
00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:57,839
could send him there. I think
like something involving Kelly Ubre Ubre is the

118
00:07:57,879 --> 00:08:01,800
type of you know, position and
well need I think that would make sense.

119
00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:05,199
But yeah, it just again like
we're looking at ways to move the

120
00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,920
guy that you gave up too firsts
to get not that long ago, which

121
00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:13,000
is a problem. The other thing
you could do is vood plus smaller salary

122
00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,920
X for Gordon Hayward. Yeah,
I thought about that too. I mean

123
00:08:18,199 --> 00:08:24,439
that plus Levine's commitments going forward at
least for next year, makes it kind

124
00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:28,439
of ugly salary cap wise, but
but yeah, I mean, Hayward actually

125
00:08:28,439 --> 00:08:33,039
would make more sense positionally, assuming
you could backfill the Booch slot with like

126
00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,240
a minimum. Guy is a defense
focus center that wouldn't you know, would

127
00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,279
be far less of a commitment.
I also don't know it's tough for them

128
00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,320
to get to the money now for
more mid end trades since you're not going

129
00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,600
to move Lonzo and then Vooge is
making twenty two. But Marcus Morris Senior,

130
00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:50,440
if he's not moved, maybe that's
a name that they revisit in the

131
00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,840
middle of year when presumably they have
other mid end contracts. Before I get

132
00:08:54,039 --> 00:08:56,720
ask you about for agient targets,
what do you think Zach Lavine ends up

133
00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,480
signing. I predicted the full five
years with the player option is will get

134
00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,240
Yeah. I think that's the most
likely scenario, and they should offer They

135
00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:09,039
don't offer that, like they just
don't have Zach Levine's really good, and

136
00:09:09,039 --> 00:09:11,200
there are teams that would give him
a max deal right now. And if

137
00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,000
I was just curious whether he might
want to re explore free agency in twenty

138
00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,440
five when the money t might supposed
to hit. But he's coming he's had

139
00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,759
injury problems in the past, and
it's coming off left knee surgery. Now,

140
00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,639
if I were him, I would
take the full five years as well.

141
00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,639
Yeah, I mean, I think
they I wouldn't be surprised if they

142
00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,320
started without the player option and he
said, like, no, gimme it,

143
00:09:30,399 --> 00:09:31,600
and that was a quick, you
got it, you know, quick

144
00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,159
negotiation that feels like a sticking point
that it's so far down the line and

145
00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,320
whatever. Teams always try to do
that, I think or should try to

146
00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,519
do that. But yeah, I
think just I kind of always view this

147
00:09:43,639 --> 00:09:46,840
level of signing through the prism of
like, if you got to trade this

148
00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,320
guy in two years, how tough
is that going to be at that number?

149
00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,720
And even with the you know,
the decline and injury and athleticism concerns

150
00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,519
that are all sort of baked in
there together, I don't think. I

151
00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,639
don't feel like this is going to
wind up being you know, a Russell

152
00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:05,559
Westbrook contract or like a you know, Tobias Harris Blake Grip like there's it's

153
00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,759
not that level. I don't think
of risk and he's still I mean,

154
00:10:07,799 --> 00:10:11,519
Tobias Harris is young cube, like
this is deal only takes him through his

155
00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:16,200
early thirties. Any free agent targets
that you thought about for them, I'm

156
00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:18,799
trying to think of guys that sort
of fit the bill of you know,

157
00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:24,240
they're sort of like what they hope
Patrick Williams becomes, and they're just like,

158
00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:28,200
aren't that many guys because what they
hope Patrick Williams becomes as an extremely

159
00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,879
valuable player. But I you know, I want defense. I think that's

160
00:10:31,919 --> 00:10:37,120
just gonna be important if you're gonna
have Derozen in your front court essentially as

161
00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:41,080
like a three slash four. So
Kylie Anderson is someone I thought of Wantascano

162
00:10:41,159 --> 00:10:46,759
Anderson of the Anderson targets just as
like versatile defenders who are going to help

163
00:10:46,759 --> 00:10:50,320
on that end. And both of
those guys can play make a little bit

164
00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,240
too, So I think I think
that's like a nice added bonus if you

165
00:10:54,279 --> 00:10:58,039
do end up having guard health and
depth issues. Again, the other the

166
00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:03,279
flips at pjt obviously I think makes
a ton of sense, but I just

167
00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,960
doubt, all things being equal,
he's going to take the Bulls mL E

168
00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:11,279
versus someone else's like Miami's or Phillies. The other two are more like just

169
00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,759
let's get some shooting, and that's
Brent Forbes and Malik Monk. I don't

170
00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:18,840
know where all those guys would fit
in the tax you know, assuming the

171
00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:22,399
Bulls are just the full mL E
team, if any of those guys justify

172
00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,840
the full mL E other than Tucker, but they have that tool to use,

173
00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:28,679
and you could you don't have to
use all of it. So do

174
00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,159
you think they would be an apologies
if I missed him, you said,

175
00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,919
do you think they'd be the TJ
Warren team? I didn't mention him.

176
00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,519
I think TJ. Warren, like
if the money's right, is a good

177
00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:43,879
risk for basically anybody, just because
he's like a fringe star at one of

178
00:11:43,919 --> 00:11:46,399
the most valuable positions there is.
If it works and if you can get

179
00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,759
him for ten ish million, then
you know, yeah, So yes,

180
00:11:50,879 --> 00:11:54,919
short answer, yes, I would
love to see Chris Bouchet on this team.

181
00:11:54,919 --> 00:11:56,919
But unless you're moving Vouch, I
don't think you funnel the full mL

182
00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,720
E to someone who he can play
next to Booch, but he plays your

183
00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:05,360
best, your best sent like you're
for a backup center. You don't want

184
00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,000
to spend that. So maybe a
Dwayne Dedman or what does Mobamba cost?

185
00:12:09,159 --> 00:12:11,759
Like these would be a good destination
for them. It's tough to find wings.

186
00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:15,080
I am wondering, and you made
me think about this yesterday. I

187
00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:20,360
actually given the setup and with who
Memphis drafted is Kyle Anderson all of a

188
00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,159
sudden in mL E candidate and like
he doesn't bring the shooting, but like

189
00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:24,960
you talk about someone you need to
move around based on what happens with Patrick

190
00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,480
Williams or what happens with Dale and
Terry, like that is someone who would

191
00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,960
work really well. I mean,
Anderson and Rosen on the same team is

192
00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,440
just like I can't even I don't
know that I want to see that in

193
00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,200
the half court. But since the
Rosen's credit, even Anderson's, like they

194
00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,600
always find these crevices of space,
like the Grizzlies weren't booming with operating room

195
00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:48,000
for Kyla Anderson what he did play
last year. So I thought about that

196
00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,600
name and they're just they're in a
better position than most if you wanted to

197
00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:54,360
go after the bigger mL E names, because you are supposed to be a

198
00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,000
good team, but they probably need
more guys who are like plug in play

199
00:12:58,039 --> 00:13:01,679
like new Outlined, or maybe you
go the I'm your Coffee route depending on

200
00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,320
what he costs, or one of
the Martin twins would work. It's just

201
00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,600
the wing market is slim pickins,
and if the bulls are gonna make like

202
00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:09,799
a bigger play, it's going to
probably have to happen on the trade market.

203
00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,919
Yeah, I mean, you'd only
do this if you could move voos,

204
00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,240
but you could look at and again, I don't know if you want

205
00:13:16,279 --> 00:13:20,080
to spend the full mL E on
a center that is really there to do

206
00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,360
limited things, But like I think
Kavan Louey would make sense if you're trying

207
00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,240
to shore up the defense and had
some switchability that Boots just didn't have,

208
00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,639
which is again a priority with someone
like de Rosan where you're just kind of

209
00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,600
putting out fires. Sometimes I think
Nick Klaxton again, get some shop blocking.

210
00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,600
Do you want to tie up and
offer you know, your money in

211
00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,399
an offer sheet? If if really
it's like the mL E is sort of

212
00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,840
all you have beyond minimums, So
I mean there are definitely. I just

213
00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:52,679
wanted to hit some of the defense
first centers that we basically set our priority

214
00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,200
but didn't didn't quite get to.
That'll do it for the Bulls. That

215
00:13:56,279 --> 00:14:01,360
brings us up to the Cleveland caval
years. Their key at free agents are

216
00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,240
Collin Sexton, he's restricted. They
also have Rondo, who's a non bird

217
00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,639
free agent. Lamar Stevens has a
one point eight million dollar non guarantee that

218
00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:16,519
guarantees on one seven to that guarantees
on January seven, twenty twenty three.

219
00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:18,320
My guess is they're just going to
fully guarantee that deal because he gave him

220
00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:24,120
some good minutes last year. Notable
extension candidates include Darius Garland, Carris Lavert,

221
00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:26,840
Kevin Love, Jetty Osman, and
Dean Wade. They don't have any

222
00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,639
notable trade exceptions. Their best spending
tool I have it as a non tax

223
00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:35,600
payer mid level of exception. That's
assuming that Sexton gets like an eighteen million

224
00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:39,759
dollars deal and in which case per
year, in which case that's still going

225
00:14:39,799 --> 00:14:43,720
to leave them like a little bit
more than a million dollars beneath the tax

226
00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:48,080
which isn't a ton of wiggle room
with which to work during the regular season,

227
00:14:48,279 --> 00:14:50,080
so they very well could end up
being a team that doesn't spend all

228
00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,759
of the mL E. But even
after resigning Sexton, unless he gets way

229
00:14:54,799 --> 00:14:58,919
more money than I think Context is
gonna get, they should have that bigger

230
00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:03,960
MLLE. I think the first thing
to start with here, Grant is Context

231
00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:07,440
in back in Cleveland, and what
would you pay Context? And if you're

232
00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,440
Kobe Alman, yeah, i'd view
him. I'm glad we're finally talking about

233
00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:16,720
him, because I think he would
have made sense in hindsight for several teams.

234
00:15:18,039 --> 00:15:22,679
But I would view him as like
a high end scoring six man,

235
00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:26,120
like really high end, because like
he averaged you know, twenty four game

236
00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,600
a couple of years ago on good
efficiency. But to me, that really

237
00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:33,159
just is what he does. I
don't think he can be like a lead

238
00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:39,240
guard that facilitates offensively. I don't
think you can play him, you know,

239
00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:43,480
at the end of games necessarily unless
you've got really great defensive support.

240
00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:52,240
So which which, yeah, which
which they might So I think just in

241
00:15:52,279 --> 00:15:56,679
a vacuum, I don't like the
idea of going over like you know,

242
00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,879
put it in the twelve to fifteen
million a year range. I think twe

243
00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:07,879
he feels like too much, But
I do think Cleveland is a Cleveland isn't

244
00:16:07,919 --> 00:16:11,799
isn't a good fit for him because
you can't really play him with Garland,

245
00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:14,159
which is a problem, but you
could, like you said, get away

246
00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,279
with him defensively because of all the
length you have at other positions. So

247
00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:22,159
I guess I guess they. I
don't know. It's a coin flip.

248
00:16:22,159 --> 00:16:26,039
I'll just say I don't expect him
to be back. If there's the twelve

249
00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,639
to fifteen million ish range, I
think that's doable, just because if you

250
00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:32,639
look around, I mean, we'll
get to them in a minute. They're

251
00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:34,879
like a team like the Pistons that
just wants some supplementary scoring. Can just

252
00:16:34,879 --> 00:16:40,039
spend on him, you know the
Caps. You know, Orlando like doesn't

253
00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:44,639
really have an efficient scoring guard on
the roster. I'm like stepping on what

254
00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:47,759
we're going to get to you later. But I think there are places that

255
00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:51,720
could justify spending a little bit more
than the Cavs might feel comfortable doing.

256
00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:53,679
I would just pay him and figure
it out later. I just don't know

257
00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,279
who's gonna give him the offer sheet
and I'm under the impression that will be

258
00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,159
like, yeah, it might be
eighteen. I think it'll be subtwine me

259
00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,639
and it's probably shorter term. I
would imagine that he might want to get

260
00:17:03,639 --> 00:17:07,440
back into free agency sooner by like
have the option of doing it. So

261
00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,000
maybe it's like a two plus one
or is it a three plus one?

262
00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,400
Whoever gets him back for that twenty
twenty five TV money. I'll probably a

263
00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:15,559
little bit higher on his passing than
you are. But I get like the

264
00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:19,160
conundrum of you have Darius gone and
Caros Lavert. Caros Lavert also might just

265
00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,960
be gone after this year. You
could trade him, and I would I

266
00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:29,599
would rather extend Colin Sexton than Caros
Lavert Like that is I'm choosing Sexton over

267
00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,160
Lavert if that's the choice you feel
like you have to to make. There,

268
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,440
Like the other stuff with this roster, that's that's super interesting. Is

269
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,079
they really need I don't know if
it's interesting, but they clearly need shooting,

270
00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,720
and so Sexton would take care of
some of that. And also if

271
00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,880
it doesn't work out or you want
to move him, unless his ideal is

272
00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,440
bonkers, he could become a trade
asset. Like by the middle of the

273
00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:56,200
year with the money's making. Do
you expect Darius Garland though, to sign

274
00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,319
an extension? I mean, if
I'm the Calves, I think I would

275
00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:03,000
do it. I think the numbers
for him would be five for one eighty

276
00:18:03,079 --> 00:18:07,160
one. Would you go, I, well, I'd do the same thing

277
00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,640
where I'd try to lock it in
for the full because he's young, for

278
00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:14,079
you know, for for his draft
class, I try to get the five

279
00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,279
without the player option, and if
he pushes back then maybe you know,

280
00:18:17,599 --> 00:18:21,799
we can negotiate there. But like
just the leap he took last year,

281
00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,599
I think the way that he works
for this team again because of really like

282
00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,920
we haven't even mentioned his name yet, but I think Evan Mobley just sort

283
00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,599
of allows for you to build with
what would otherwise be kind of imperfect players

284
00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:38,400
because Garland is undersized, but you
could just sort of get away with a

285
00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,359
lot of that because of the defensive
potential that Mobley is going to bring in.

286
00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:48,240
Like you know, Jared Allen's no
slouch there either, So I guess

287
00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:52,200
knee jerk, I would I would
just go the full boat for him,

288
00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,640
just knowing that, like you're gonna
do that for Mobley too. Almost certainly,

289
00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,759
and then there's your two guys basically, but I feel pretty comfortable with

290
00:18:59,759 --> 00:19:02,160
that. I'm with you, and
I would do what you did, try

291
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,400
and get it. Like I'm so
confident in Garland, like I want him

292
00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,640
for the full five years, I
don't. I don't want that player option

293
00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,680
if I'm if I'm the Cavs,
and so I would just expect him to

294
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,720
sign one they do need. I
think they're two biggest needs. And I'm

295
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,880
curious if you agree. Are they
need I don't know why I've been calling

296
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,960
it this so much lately, but
sort of an adult in the room,

297
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:23,039
playmaker to back up the Garland spot
like they had with Rubio last year.

298
00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:26,920
Maybe it's even Rubio again, although
he probably doesn't come back to mid season.

299
00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,960
And then just straight straight shooting.
And I think they're in a position

300
00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,079
with Mobley if you're not going to
trade Jared Allen, then we know that

301
00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,480
some teams kick the tires on him, where you can just do that irrespective

302
00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,200
of what they are on defense,
Like, just get straight shooting. If

303
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,599
it's a matter if you have to
sign Wayne Ellington and throw them out there

304
00:19:44,599 --> 00:19:47,880
and have him pinball around the half
court, just just do it. Yeah,

305
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,839
I think Brent Forbes is like as
one of the best shooters on the

306
00:19:51,839 --> 00:19:53,839
market. That's definitely what I think
about. But then you're you're small again,

307
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,160
so you know, if you bring
back sexon or not, you're still

308
00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,319
dealing with some undersize stuff. But
for you could stagger him a little bit

309
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,359
and kind of figure out ways to
make that work. Maybe you play him

310
00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,519
more with Lavert. I don't know, there's there's plenty of shooting. I

311
00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:10,319
actually did have Rubio coming back as
one of my targets. I think that

312
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,640
just makes all the sense in the
world for the reasons you mentioned. They

313
00:20:14,759 --> 00:20:18,279
Yeah, like you get into trouble
because you're not gonna you have Garland,

314
00:20:18,279 --> 00:20:22,000
you have sex, then you have
Lavert. You're not spending your mL on

315
00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:23,720
that guy like that, that type
of playmaker. And I don't even know

316
00:20:23,759 --> 00:20:27,319
if anything's available on the trade market
to them. Could they get like,

317
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,000
you know, like so you're not
going to sign Tias Jones, like even

318
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,400
if he was willing to sign,
he really spending that and then paying sex

319
00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:37,839
in maybe they could get involved that
the Nuggets are really trying to trade.

320
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,920
Monte Morris, you would be great
fit for this rofter, but you know,

321
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,039
it was really fun. That actually
doesn't address almost any of the concerns.

322
00:20:45,079 --> 00:20:48,799
But would his Gary Payton just because
the idea of him and Mobley and

323
00:20:48,839 --> 00:20:52,480
Allan on the floor together be just
like, I mean, what's your floor?

324
00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:56,599
Is your floor? Like a top
three defense with those two guys,

325
00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,119
Like I don't I just think that
the havoc that that would create would be

326
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,759
a lot of fun. But again, like Payton just isn't isn't that you're

327
00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:07,559
you're adding strength to strength instead of
filling up, you know, addressing weaknesses

328
00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:10,880
with that kind of move, I
want them to punt. Look, they're

329
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,000
gonna sign Rubio so that they're they're
punting on a half season roster spot,

330
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,440
and then I want them to punt
on another half season roster spot with Joe

331
00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:18,559
Ingles would be absolutely fun on this
team too. He would make a ton

332
00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:21,920
of I mean, there's your shooting, in your your adults in the room,

333
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,720
playmaking all in one. Assuming he's, you know, anything close to

334
00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:27,640
what he was when he comes back. I think my favorite free agent and

335
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:32,759
this is not an original thought.
Well, obviously a mere coffee would be

336
00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:36,440
my favorite free fit for him.
I actually really think and the two that

337
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,079
I've circles, so Gary Harris,
who probably fits everywhere, and he's they're

338
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,880
still small with him, and he's
not long, but like he can defend.

339
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,960
He might cover a larger positional spectrum
on defense than Isaac o Coro when

340
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,759
you're looking at what he does on
the ball, and no, Core is

341
00:21:49,799 --> 00:21:53,200
fantastic away from the ball already.
And then I think, and I have

342
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,160
a specific one. I'm not just
saying the Martin twins. I think Caleb

343
00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:03,359
Martin specifically would be a great fit
here if you're watching him defensively in Miami

344
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,000
and can he knock down continue knocked
down enough of his threes? He doesn't

345
00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:10,680
satisfy the lights out shooting. I
don't know if Gary Harris does either,

346
00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:14,400
because he had like that two or
three season span where he was injured and

347
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,119
not hitting anything. But last year
he looked really good. And so if

348
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,240
you're able to get like they are
a team, I would roll the dice

349
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,880
on like a full mid level exception
offer for Gary Harris. That seems high,

350
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,160
but it seems high just in general. But I do think you're right

351
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,519
that Harris is going to be a
target for like basically everybody just because maybe

352
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,200
like maybe teams were offering him the
MINIMLI and you're able to go seven like

353
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,839
it's not But I would not hesitate
to do that if I'm Cleveland. Yeah,

354
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,880
another guy that the shooting is a
little at least that volume is kind

355
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:48,039
of suspect. But depending on what
happens with Sexton. If you bring sexon

356
00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:49,400
and back, then no, But
if you don't and you're not committed to

357
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:55,160
Lavert long term, I think Delon
Wright makes sense just as another as a

358
00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:00,680
bigger backcourt counterpart for Garland. And
can you know, no, he feels

359
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,240
funny to call him like an adult
in the room type like you said,

360
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,200
but you know dlhan right came in
as a very old rookie and now you

361
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,759
know he's a he's a full on
veteran now, so I think that would

362
00:23:10,759 --> 00:23:15,359
be a decent fit there too.
I kind of wondered if, like I

363
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,240
mentioned Wayne Ellington, but like,
can you go get like someone who is

364
00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:22,160
just going to come in and chuck
threes? And I thought about Matt Thomas

365
00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:23,559
is where I'm at, like and
he didn't gonna go for down season,

366
00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:26,559
But like if you're that's the minimum
area. But are you that confident in

367
00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:30,559
your defense where you can do something
like that just someone's gonna come in and

368
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,759
and fire up looks because I feel
like they do need that guy. Yeah,

369
00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:37,640
I mean Ben McLamore, if you
really want to go like further down

370
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,640
that road of someone that's just only
going to come in and shoot, He's

371
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,160
more than happy to do that based
on his time with the Rockets. Yeah.

372
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,640
So, I mean there's a bunch
of different routes that they could go

373
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,039
there. It'd be really funny.
They're gonna end up just signing like defense

374
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,319
first people. Those what's gonna what's
gonna wind up happening? So there,

375
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,960
I think, look there, I
know their fans were disappointed and how this

376
00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:00,319
is some of their fans were disappointed. I went on a Cavs pod cast.

377
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,519
I did two of them. Actually, we were talking about how some

378
00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:04,720
were calling for Brigger staff to get
fired after that year. It just that

379
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:10,160
team overachieved, especially relative to injuries, and I think they have they should

380
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,480
spend the full minim of the full
mL E. Excuse me, like they

381
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,759
have the means to get better.
A trade is different. The final thing

382
00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:19,119
I'll say is for trade targets I'm
in big support of Like, is there

383
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,319
a Kevin Love Gordon Hayward framework there? I know that Kevin Love everything's good

384
00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:27,000
and hunky dory in Cleveland. Now, Love doesn't fix anything in Charlotte except

385
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:30,680
for the fact that it's a long
term salary cut. Since Hayward has two

386
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,039
more years left. They could also, you know, if san Antonio's really

387
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:37,079
tearing things down, Like, is
there's something to build around to get Josh

388
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,920
Richardson here who fits in line with
the defense, not too much off the

389
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,079
dribble work, but he can shoot
well enough. Those are two names that

390
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,880
I have circled for Cleveland though as
trade targets. Yeah, those are interesting.

391
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,440
I like both of those. Just
I mean we shouldn't rule out like

392
00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:53,680
could Kevin Love get an extension for
you know, way less money just to

393
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,559
stay. I mean, he's eligible, so I want to be clear.

394
00:24:56,599 --> 00:25:00,039
He was really good last year.
But at the same time, it's like,

395
00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:03,319
if you have Mobiley and Allen,
you know, what is Kevin Love

396
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,119
costing you? Like if he's your
backup big and then I'm almost curious,

397
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,720
like if you're gonna extend Kevin Love, like it's time to get a little

398
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,000
of Larry Marketing. I know he
was playing a lot of three, but

399
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,640
in long term you want to get
like a real wing in there. I

400
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,279
think Marketing sort of rebooted his value
enough to where teams would be interested in

401
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,359
him at this number, or at
least they're not going to view his you

402
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:27,039
know, he's got like three years
and forty two million left on his deal,

403
00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:30,119
or excuse me, fifty two million
left where teams aren't going to view

404
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,319
him. A is like this huge
net negative. Maybe they'll vie him is

405
00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:37,400
net neutral. And also Jetty Osman
is expired is basically an expiring contract because

406
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,039
his final year is non guaranteed.
There are a lot of stuff that they

407
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:41,359
could do on the trade. And
look, Karsi verts expiring, Like that's

408
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,200
someone who just might if you have
sexed in and you think he's healthy,

409
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,759
that's might someone who would garner interest
from other teams looking for that secondary ballhead.

410
00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:52,440
Like if Dallas loses, Jalen runs
and are they gonna come calling for

411
00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:55,119
him? I don't know what you
want. Yeah, Maxy Clebo would be

412
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,720
great, but they're not gonna give
you Maxi Kleba imagine Cleba mobile and Allen

413
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,759
same offense, that's not same.
We gotta get Gary Payton in there if

414
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:06,079
we're going to do that, and
just go all four defenders with Darland.

415
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:07,799
So I think this is a sneaky
team to watch in the trade market,

416
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,960
was my point. And I don't
know which direction they would head, but

417
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,279
they're set up to do a bunch
of different things if they want to.

418
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:17,079
Let's get into I feel bad sort
of blowing through this team. But what

419
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,599
we said about them was dated.
The Detroit Pistons. They went from having

420
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:23,880
like thirty five plus million dollars in
cash space, so they eradicate most of

421
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:30,039
it by taking on Alec Burks and
Neyland's Noel after having already taken on Kemba

422
00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:33,200
Walker, and they will look they
were going to get to the thirty five

423
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,000
million number after having Kemba Walker's money
there, but you get to Newlands Nowell

424
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:41,640
who was making nine point two million
this year plus Burke's that's nineteen something million.

425
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,079
They still like there. It's by
the way, Troy Reaver says that

426
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,279
they're excited to have both of them
there, and I think both those players

427
00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:51,160
help and make things easier on some
of the younger players, like not having

428
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,759
to put as much pressure on Jalon
Durin upfront with Noel there burks a sort

429
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:57,079
of another shot creator and floor space
or to help out with Jay and Ivy

430
00:26:57,079 --> 00:27:00,480
and Kay Cunningham. I think if
you want to keep those guys, that's

431
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,039
fine, but you have cap space
to go out there now if you're Detroit

432
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:07,720
and continue to lean into shooting,
maybe take some flyers on some wings.

433
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,400
You're not gonna be inflating offer sheets
now at this point anymore. That's again,

434
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:18,920
that's perfectly fine. I think what
they did really they had one hell

435
00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:23,240
of an off season here. They
picked up getting jolender In just sort of

436
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:29,599
a center of the future prospect in
addition to having Ivy not having a trade

437
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,119
up to get Ivy, by the
way, that is just absolutely huge.

438
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,880
So that's going to be that's going
to be big time for them. I

439
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,119
think having those two players in place. I'm stumbling because I'm trying to read

440
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:48,799
something right now. But anyway,
so Detroit is still above twenty million dollars

441
00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:53,279
in cap space. I believe if
they renounced the rights to Marvin Bagley,

442
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:57,000
who's restricted free agent, but they
can still renounce him, I don't know

443
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,480
who that gets you like, it's
twenty two million dollars getting Miles Bridges out

444
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,799
of Charlotte. Is it getting Anthony
Simons out of Portland? I do not

445
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,920
think it would. But they still
have They can still do what they just

446
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,200
did with the Knicks, where at
this time it was only two seconds,

447
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,559
one of which was their own next
year, I believe, So that's more

448
00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:17,880
power to them. This was smart
GMing by them. They didn't need a

449
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,519
ton of credit for what they did
with Kay cunning Camp last year. They

450
00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:23,200
got the number one pick. Congratulations. He was the no brainer selection in

451
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:30,319
my opinion to begin with. But
they've shown some real shops this offseason alone.

452
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,960
The Jeremy Grant trade was kind of
panned, but that created the additional

453
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,759
flexibility that allowed them to do all
these things where you end up with,

454
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,680
you know, Jaalen Duran being part
of an extension basically of that Jeremy Grant

455
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,599
trade because of the extra flexibility they
had to take on Kemba. They already

456
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,319
would have had that flexibility. I
get it. But they've just done a

457
00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:52,640
lot of interesting maneuvering here and the
fact that they still have capsphas after all

458
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,039
they've done. They've loaded up on
seconds punting on that Milwaukee first, I

459
00:28:56,039 --> 00:29:00,480
don't have a problem with you were
getting a lottery pick now and in need

460
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:03,839
in the process with what was the
consensus best center on the board in Duran.

461
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,720
I do know that some people thought
Mark Williams was a little bit better

462
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:11,319
some New York consensus. It's top
four pretensive Milwaukee. If Jannis is there,

463
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:15,720
like, they're gonna be incredible,
So I'd default to that. You

464
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,440
didn't give up a ton of value
and look the Newlands a well, Burks,

465
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,519
yeah, you're absorbing that money.
Those are players you could use.

466
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:23,640
Burks is coming off foot surgery.
That's fine. He is a very useful

467
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,240
player. He was overworked by the
Knicks and still came up with some big

468
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,640
fourth quarter moments for them in twenty
twenty twenty one. I thought fans were

469
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,319
too hard on him last year,
just with the scope of his role and

470
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:36,400
then the makeup of the rest of
that roster. I like his fit in

471
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,000
Detroit, and those are players you
could turn around a plably move for more

472
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,279
second round picks, depending on what
other teams could potentially want from them.

473
00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:45,640
Like Neurland, Zowell was one of
the most underrated players in the NBA for

474
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,119
twenty twenty twenty one didn't have as
good of a season last year. I

475
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:51,559
think that has a lot to do
with the way the Knicks run their front

476
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:53,319
court and Detroit's built to be a
little bit different now. When you have

477
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:57,920
Ivy and Cunningham and Sadique Bay and
even Burks in the fold, you can

478
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,759
play out around your bigs at this
point. That helps the will, That

479
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:07,440
should help during excited to see this
team. Even if Kelly Olynnick, if

480
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,440
you want to go a little bit
bigger in the front court or he's going

481
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:11,680
to stretch the floor, they can
also view him as a walking trade exception,

482
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:17,400
like as of right now, Kelly
Olynik for Gordon Hayward would work and

483
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,759
what would the Hornets give you to
do that? And there could be similar

484
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:22,599
thinking around if other teams are looking
to get off of would Philly give up

485
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:26,039
if it meant getting off to Bias
Harris in such a deal? He has

486
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,519
two more years after this one A
little bit, No, No, he

487
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:33,960
only has. He only has one
year after this. So thirty seven point

488
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,559
six million dollars this coming season,
thirty nine point three after what would what

489
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:41,160
would do they have enough for ef
equity to make that worth their while.

490
00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:45,839
I'm just so super incredibly high on
the Pistons future all I stayed all of

491
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:48,720
a sudden. I think Kay really
put them on the map there. I

492
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:52,920
think the improvement we've seen with not
improvement, but the willingness versus Deepbate to

493
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,720
delve into his ball skills. He's
going to give you some positional valuability.

494
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:59,759
If we're looking at other free agents
for them to target, they are sort

495
00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:03,279
of light in just the true wing
department. You got rid of a bigger

496
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:07,279
wing and Jeremy Grant, you still
have Sadique Bay and Kag Cunningham. If

497
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:10,200
you want to call him a wing, he is the body of a wing.

498
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:14,319
If you're going to keep I'm really
decline the team option on Frank Jackson.

499
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:15,720
I haven't seen anything on how to
do Diallo yet. I'll love will

500
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:21,880
check that as we're recording this,
because that deadline was actually tonight, so

501
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,480
they picked up his team option.
So yeah, I have a du Diallo,

502
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:26,599
but he's not a six five,
like, it's not this bigger wing.

503
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:32,000
So you could go that route or
you should excuse me, you should

504
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,160
go that route. And so what
you're set up to do. Now we

505
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:38,960
mentioned this the first time around,
is can you inflate the value of contracts

506
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,680
for veterans that maybe want to go
somewhere else but they won't to come for

507
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,519
you to one or two years because
you can give them a windfall that's going

508
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:48,759
to exceed what they get for three
or four from another team. Gary Harris

509
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:52,480
still on the smaller end, he
would absolutely work here. I liked Victor

510
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,960
Oladipo for them at first. I
don't really anymore. Following the acquisition of

511
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,359
Alec Burks. You could go,
I mean, man, it's right for

512
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,920
Kellybridge Junior doesn't doing a lot for
their shooting, but a mere coffee.

513
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,799
I would love him here. Can
they be a TJ. Warrent team?

514
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:10,039
Now? He would be borderline perfect
for this squad. Otto Porter Junior maybe

515
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:14,160
not enough of a true wing.
That's another name they could look at.

516
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:19,440
I think I'd probably prefer Caleb Martin
over Cody Martin for this team. Would

517
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,640
make a lot of sense. What
does it take like would a Joe Engles

518
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:23,880
who won't play in the middle of
next season at the earliest, or a

519
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,920
thirty five year old Wesley Matthews.
Did they just consider joining the Fray with

520
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:34,039
a young team if you can guarantee
them some playing time. The wing market,

521
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:37,920
again, to reiterate, is just
so slim. But the Pistons are

522
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,920
built to do basically what whatever they
want and like here and if they want

523
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,960
to skew all defense like and not
care about shooting because they're just gonna bank

524
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,400
on the skill of Kade and Jade
and Ivy, that's fine too. Maybe

525
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,440
do you take a look, like
if Derek Jones Junior is available for the

526
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,039
minimum, you could go. You
could go that route, but I think

527
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:59,480
right now they need to be looking
thinking wings. PJ Dojer could be a

528
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,160
good one. I don't think they
like they don't need to be a set.

529
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,039
They could be a second draft destination, but like a Kevin Knox Jared

530
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:09,319
Culver type jot, and you're still
sticking with Josh Jackson, Like, that's

531
00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:13,519
not going to do it for me
if I'm them, I have wondered if

532
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:17,759
now do you have like just the
requisite defensive juice or physical tools around where

533
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:23,200
you can skew so far all offense
that you're looking at Jordan Wara, who's

534
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,240
probably better defensively than giving him credit
for, or even like a Matt Thomas,

535
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,400
just someone who's gonna come in and
straight chuck Utah wants an hobby.

536
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,880
If he's healthy, I would love
him in Detroit. Like that's a bigger

537
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,720
wing. That's a great name for
them to look at again, not someone

538
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:40,720
who should cost them a ton of
of cap space either. They can go

539
00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:44,720
so many more directions that they don't
need a big like they talk about signing

540
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,319
a veteran big. You have noone's
nowell Isaiah Stewart, Kelly Olnik and Joel

541
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:51,279
Enduring, like, you don't need
to go after a big now, and

542
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:52,799
that free up to do everything.
I would have liked Torrian Prince here to

543
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:58,200
begin with, but he is off
the board. Kyle Anderson defensively, yes,

544
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,920
offensively. I'm just not sure.
Could they be a team that gets

545
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,640
in the Kenrick Williams sweepstakes. They're
not gonna. I don't really love a

546
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,920
reunion with Bruce Brown there. Lonnie
Walker could be fairly interesting, but I

547
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:15,360
think he was more interesting if they
didn't have an Alec Burks here. They

548
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,800
could still if you like, don't
trust Killian Hayes or want more of a

549
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,039
veteran presence, like could they be
a team that gets Tayas Jones. He

550
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:28,159
could be pesky defensively and he's going
to give you some offensive pizzazz. Those

551
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,400
we are all names. I know
we're regurgitating a lot of names here,

552
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,280
but such is the state of the
free agency market, and I wouldn't rule

553
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:38,039
out the Pistons from Cholt Music in
the chat says calling Charick Cover a negative

554
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:42,679
offensive player is a compliment coming from
a Grizzlies fan. I just want to

555
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,159
point out I was so high on
Jarick Colvern where he was coming out of

556
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,000
college. I didn't think there was
gonna be an issue with him sort of

557
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:52,400
creating separation or getting his jumper down. I was. I have very much

558
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,719
missed on Jerick Colver. That was
That was a bad one for me.

559
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,159
So yeah, But the Pistons,
I think, look, we've probably they've

560
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:07,119
probably eliminated themselves. And the Athletic
reported per James Edwards the Third that they

561
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:12,039
were never sort of in the let's
go inflate the market for Aten's definitely off

562
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:15,119
the board. Now you could still
think about Miles Bridges. You might be

563
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:17,599
getting Charlot a discount if you're offering
him something like twenty three million dollars a

564
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:21,199
year. You can get to more
money though, Like if you're willing to,

565
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,440
can you find a home for Burke
Burkes or Noel evenn Kelly Olinik,

566
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,440
So you could still do that if
you wanted assignments here who I wouldn't hate

567
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,079
post Jade and Ivy I wouldn't be
in love with as much I liked him

568
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:34,559
with Kay to begin with, or
if you wanted Miles Bridges. Again,

569
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:37,880
those are not names that I love
for them, So they're not done and

570
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,320
they can they can take on more
bad money. It depends on what the

571
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,320
market for that is. But they
made out well and the Kemba Walker trade

572
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,320
and he was sort of if it's
actual dead money, a player that you're

573
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,360
not going to keep or can't really
play for you. He was an expiring

574
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,679
contract and they got quite a bit
for him. Something I would like to

575
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,920
see them do. Can they go
out and buy like act as a buyer,

576
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,840
are on the trademarkt now for a
wing with not like you're not trading

577
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:07,079
a future first and you're not giving
up a core piece like a Josh Richardson

578
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,559
for them? Is that someone who's
just is he at all gettable in their

579
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:17,679
books and just to sort of just
give you that other like truer pure excuse

580
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,719
me, wing in the rotation?
Do you not know Kenrick Williams I've mentioned

581
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,519
him before. If Phoenix is looking
at cut cost or they have to resign

582
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:30,039
Eton, or they're worrying about campaign's
extension, could you be a Jay crowder

583
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:34,679
Destination. That's someone that I would
potentially like here as well. I wouldn't

584
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,800
mind a Terrence Ross flyer again after
the out Burk signing. They are different

585
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:44,639
players, but I think Outburst might
be better than Terrence Ross defensively at this

586
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:50,199
point. So food for thought there. But is there is there that scenario

587
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,559
for them? They would be like
they wouldn't be a good voice on Neil

588
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:54,000
team. You'd have to give up
too much to get him. But like

589
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:58,119
you know, if you had a
KCP reunion or Kyle Kosm like, I

590
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:00,079
would love one of them for this
team. Those are players that you have

591
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:06,159
to give up actual value to get. I mentioned Kelly Ubride Junior before defensively,

592
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,599
like, yeah, for sure,
he's not the best defender but can

593
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:12,360
be moved around the wing spots.
What does it cost to get him?

594
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,519
If Charlotte's looking like, is it
just a pick, like a lower second

595
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:17,400
round pick, or not a lower
but a second round pick because Charlotte's gonna

596
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:24,199
cut payroll after signing Miles Bridges,
that would be interesting. I also look

597
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,519
Kelly on lnake for Gordon Hayward,
like if Charlott's attaching something to that,

598
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:32,039
I would I would totally, I
would totally consider it. But the Kelly

599
00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:36,519
Ubrid junior model is an example,
So that's someone that maybe they they could

600
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:39,800
look at via trade. Houston needs
to cut bodies, but they're sort of

601
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,840
lower on wings too, like you
don't like a flyer on David Nwaba or

602
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,239
Sterling Brown. I don't know that
that's going to do much for this team.

603
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,960
It would be funny if they were
just someone if Houston wanted to offload

604
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,639
Eric Gordon and they decided to go
that route. Indiana is treating Malcolm Broaden

605
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,119
like an asset. Otherwise you could
maybe make the case for them. I

606
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:05,280
don't know if, like the Clippers
aren't going to be offloading Marcus Morris senior

607
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,159
and not even know if the Pistons
would want Marcus Morris senior. Let's face,

608
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,960
let's face that he yeah, he
would be good, but like that,

609
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:15,000
and that's also just not sort of
a true ring as well, and

610
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:21,880
it's sort of the how it's like
it's been there, sort of done that

611
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,480
type deal. And unless I'm forgetting
that he didn't play, no, he

612
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,679
did play, if he was there
for two seasons good, I'm not misremembering.

613
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,559
That's why I was stammering. So, but the Pistons are set up

614
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:34,119
to do so much. I'm a
lot higher on their future and I was

615
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:37,719
already fairly high just based off of
having Kake cunning him there and showing just

616
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:44,440
the mechanisms through which they've traveled this
offseason and still being so flexible after all

617
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,760
this, Like that's the thing,
is there, still so flexible, And

618
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,119
there's just a bunch of different things
that they could do if they really want

619
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:52,719
again, if you don't trust Killian
Hayes and like New Orleans looking to get

620
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,079
off the money Graham, like do
you take a flyer on him if he's

621
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:59,480
attached to a little bit of an
asset, Like, there's just there's just

622
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:01,840
so many different routes they could go. I'm sorry to be so fascinated by

623
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,400
the Pistons now, but just a
home run off season so far for them.

624
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,000
If we look back and we grade
these teams and look at winners and

625
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:13,400
losers, they're going to be They're
going to be one of the biggest winners

626
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,239
and probably get just one of the
highest grades and look to round out the

627
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:21,079
podcast. The Knicks are expense expected
to offer John brunts and a four year

628
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:24,159
deal in the range of one hundred
and ten million dollars. So that is

629
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:29,400
not his max, but over four
years you're looking at between twenty seven and

630
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,440
twenty eight a year. The MAVs
were totally willing to go about five years

631
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,559
one hundred and ten. So where
I was at was correct for our change,

632
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:42,039
I'm normally wrong. The Knicks are
giving Brunson over four what the Mavericks

633
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,000
were willing to go essentially over five. That is a big difference for John

634
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:50,119
Brunts and get some more prominent role. Don't love the fit. Thank you

635
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:53,440
for everyone who Oh jolt music,
oh Kuzma would be awesome for the Pistons.

636
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,039
Yeah, So I'm just what do
you give up if you're the Pistons.

637
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:01,039
Maybe Washington's scared of his free agency. I think it's more likely if

638
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:06,039
there was a three team deal where
they're trying to get somebody else and the

639
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:09,280
inbound team there doesn't want him or
something. It's just I'm not giving up

640
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,119
actual, like a ton of value
for these guys, which is why I

641
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:16,400
thought Josh Richardson might be more attractive, because I know how much the Spurs

642
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,760
or you want to value him.
And it's also why Jay Crowder it seems

643
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,280
like Phoenix is all of a sudden. He's topsy turvy, but seems like

644
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,360
Phoenix is all of a sudden,
like not as high on him. Just

645
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,960
reading between the lines there, I
did think not a wing. Would you

646
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,840
hate Doug McDermott with the Pistons.
I don't know that I would hate him,

647
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,519
Like there's maybe there's some overlap and
there's not overlap with Kelly. Look

648
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,280
like you want a shooter, like
a movement shooter and some guy who could

649
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,199
finish off cuts. He'd be interesting. I'm not sure if I'm that excited

650
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:50,159
to see how the Indiana Pacers offseason
plays out. Key free agents Ricky Rubio,

651
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,679
TJ Warren, Jaalon Smith, and
Land Stevenson, who's a non bird

652
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,719
notable non guarantees O Shaber said is
a one point eight million dollar team option.

653
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,920
They should have picked that up eight
years ago. Dwayne Washington Junior and

654
00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:07,079
Terry Taylor basically have one point six
million non guarantees that will guarantee in early

655
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:12,039
July. Notable extension candidates on this
team Miles Turner, Buddy Healed, Goga

656
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:15,960
Beads has apparently been in the league
for three years already. They have some

657
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,199
notable trade exceptions too that if they
wanted to use cap space they need to

658
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,599
renounce. But Doug McDermott seven point
three million expires July seventh, and then

659
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:27,719
the Jeremy Lamb trade exception ten point
five million that expires February eight, twenty

660
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,920
twenty three, right around the trade
deadline. Their best spending tool, if

661
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,800
they're willing to get rid of those
trade exceptions, would be twenty five plus

662
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,000
million in cap space. They are
not being talked about as a team that

663
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:39,880
could go out there and try and
inflate the value of free agents, which

664
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,239
I do find not odd because in
he's not a free agency destination. But

665
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,400
like you could make a case that
Miles Bridges, DeAndre Ayton, or Anthony

666
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,159
Simons are all good fits there.
Eighton predicated on Okay Well what's happening to

667
00:41:53,519 --> 00:42:00,079
Miles Turner. The last note on
them though, is there was a report

668
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:05,360
right around the draft, I think
Woad said it that they're looking to reshape

669
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,920
the roster and actually rebuild with Rick
Carlisle there, and so that means Brogden's

670
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,960
gone, That means Miles Turner should
be gone probably as well, and that,

671
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:15,679
I don't know, makes it less
likely that you use your cap space

672
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,239
to be aggressive on some of the
younger guys in free agency. Maybe they're

673
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,880
more of a cap space dumping ground, but this feels like it's going to

674
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,519
be a highly active all season because
they're a team with cap space that has

675
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,960
two to three players when you look
at Buddy Healed that are almost guaranteed to

676
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,880
move if you're really going the wholesale
rebuilding route. Yeah, they're a hard

677
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,559
team to figure out in a lot
of ways. Some of what we said

678
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:43,000
about the Pistons applies to them because
of the caps, cap space, because

679
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:46,280
of the options. That creates a
difference though, is that, like you

680
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,960
said, there are some real tradable
pieces that you know are on decent numbers

681
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,119
contract wise, with Turner, Brogden
and Healed that you know you're not sweetening

682
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:59,199
those I don't think to get off
maybe any of them. Maybe back and

683
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:01,920
forth on brock in three year sixty
seven point six is like the idea that

684
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,440
he did, we're gonna get a
lottery pick for him, like the Wizards

685
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,480
at ten, the Knicks at eleven. I mean, I know it's the

686
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:12,880
Knicks, but and I mean it's
the Knicks, but I that's like,

687
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,400
what are you giving up from?
I would give up expiring salary if I

688
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,119
really wanted him, sure, or
shorter contracts, I guess, But would

689
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,480
you give up a first like let's
say a top eighteen protected first rounder form

690
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,599
Malcolm Brockden. I mean it depends
on how desperate I am for the help

691
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:28,480
at that position. I mean,
the idea of Brockman went healthy is a

692
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,119
really good player. I mean,
he's a starting caliber combo guard that just

693
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:37,840
if healthy has been Brocky went healthy. Yeah, the white like yeah,

694
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,079
the thing the thing though, like
that relates to so it's hard to pin

695
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:45,000
down, Like, yeah, they've
said they're leaning into the rebuild, and

696
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:50,360
like the Tyres Haliburton first, a
bonus trade might make you think that that's

697
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,119
the direction it's going. But like
that's just a good trade period because you

698
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:59,119
know, it's arguable that Haliburton certainly
is a better use of your resources based

699
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:02,239
on contracts not but but like you
could just make the case that this year

700
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,679
Haliburton will be a more helpful player
to winning than Sabonis would have been,

701
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,400
Like that's not a ridiculous thing to
say potentially going forward. So it's hard

702
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,360
to know like what direction they're signaling
they're going. I guess for me,

703
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:19,480
like I'm sort of treating them like
the Pistons in terms of, yeah,

704
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:22,880
whatever you want to do for a
young talent acquisition, if that includes restricted

705
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,760
free agency, great, But in
addition, you got to trade these veterans.

706
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,519
I think I think they're sort of
a two pronged, you know,

707
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:34,320
offseason approach that they need to embrace. What do you think of I think

708
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,760
my most favorite Anthony Time's destination,
aside from Portland, I'm not even sure

709
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,079
if Portland's my absolute favorite destination for
him, but is San Antonio if they

710
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:45,159
keep de Jeante Murray, which our
podcast nearly blew up on the Southwest Division

711
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:50,039
is after we recorded it because one
Jake Fisher said that he's hearing the same

712
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:52,159
thing in the Hawks thing too close. I'm like, fuck, Jake Fisher

713
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:58,079
said, it's it's over the Pacers, Like, is that even if you

714
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:01,639
are rebuilding he's twenty three? Is
that not enough? I consider Haliburton is

715
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,800
someone who can develop into a lead
playmaker. But do you view Simon's and

716
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:12,320
Haliburton is not enough maybe lead ball
handler, playmaking types to make that your

717
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,519
sort of backcourt of the future.
Yeah. I mean Haliburton averaged over nine

718
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:20,800
assists when he was with the Pacers
last year, so I think offense for

719
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,280
them was pretty good too. Yeah. I think I don't have any real

720
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:28,800
reservations about giving him the ball,
especially if you're rebuilding and just like get

721
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,480
these reps and see what happens Simons. Simon's is a tricky fit, like

722
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:37,280
everywhere except next to Murray because there's
your you know, your defensive counterpart just

723
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,280
fits perfectly. And so I don't
know how much I like him and Haliburton

724
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,159
together, but like what I do, I actually do kind of like Haliburton

725
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,519
and Ben Matherin because you've got the
off ball guy running around shooting that's super

726
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:59,199
athletic and strong and could project physical
tools wise to be a really good defender

727
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:02,000
and halib and as you're like finesse
shooter, playmaker. I've like on the

728
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,400
ball stuff. I like there.
They'd seem to me as kind of the

729
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,800
lonely projectable cornerstones, you know,
of the pacers that I don't want to

730
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,719
mess with, you know, do
whatever else you wants to the roster.

731
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,039
But I like those two together pretty
well. I'd probably steer clear of Miles

732
00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:22,039
Bridges unless you're gonna keep Miles Turner. I just feel like you're gonna need

733
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:23,480
like a really good five. What
have you made of the and there would

734
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,719
need to be other actually, there
wouldn't need to be other moving parts involved.

735
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,360
What have you thought? And they're
probably I'm sure Phoenius would want what

736
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,079
have you thought about the deandret and
sign and trade for Turner sort of framework

737
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:38,840
that's been out there. Yeah,
I kind of like it. I guess

738
00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:43,880
I guess I have reservations about giving
eight in the max if that's if that's

739
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,440
what we're talking about to do this, But in terms of like a return

740
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,320
for Turner, I don't think you're
gonna do better, Like if the reason

741
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,199
he's still on the roster is you
know, people were concerned about the post

742
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,239
surgery. We're gonna give up.
We won't give up a first him.

743
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,760
I mean, getting the number one
overall pick who's average a double double every

744
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,960
year of his career has held up, you know, against the switch heavy

745
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:14,639
demands of playoff basketball. I think, and the idea of Eton and Haliburton

746
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:19,440
together is very appealing to me as
a pick and roll combo. So I

747
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,920
think if that if the eighten for
Turner sign and trade is on the table,

748
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,639
I think that's probably the first place
I'm looking if if i'm if I'm

749
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:31,440
the Pacers, are there any free
agents who wouldn't cost a ship ton of

750
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:36,280
money that you think make make a
lot of sense for the Pacers? That's

751
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,079
harder. I mean, I really
did have them kind of going big fish

752
00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:42,960
first and then kind of working the
rest out later. I don't know,

753
00:47:43,039 --> 00:47:49,039
like any really like t J.
Warren coming back seems semi unlikely, But

754
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,519
depending on what kind of roster you're
trying to build bringing him back in if

755
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:57,719
assuming the Pacers know more about his
sort of medical prognosis than anybody, and

756
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,519
you could technically view him as if
you're not going to save your cap space,

757
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:05,239
maybe as a human trade exception if
you're spending it elsewhere and then you

758
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,719
have him on a short term deal
and you know he doesn't fit your timeline,

759
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,400
but teams would want him if he's
healthy. For sure. Yeah,

760
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:15,239
I think I think almost every guy
they consider signing should be with an eye

761
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,840
towards what might we be able to
flip him for at the deadline, just

762
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:23,159
because you're preserving your optionality if you
want to add veterans that could help you,

763
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:27,280
you know, chase the eighth playoff
spot or tenth I guess now,

764
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:32,159
or whatever, but preserve the opportunity
to just like really really go full tear

765
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:37,639
down like part way through the season. So like someone like Gary Payton threads

766
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:42,079
the needle. I'm gonna just keep
mentioning him because I like him next to

767
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:45,840
Haliburton. And then as long as
he stays healthy, and if the Pacers

768
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,039
just aren't any good and they don't
want to be any good, you could

769
00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:52,360
definitely trade him to a playoff team
because you just proved, like in the

770
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,320
postseason he's going to be able to
stay on the floor and make a difference.

771
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,440
I had them like, I think
they just probably need to whatever it's

772
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:02,599
without only what happens with Turner Broggden. It's so hard to pin because they're

773
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:06,119
gonna need a big yeah. And
if they're moving Turner and it's not for

774
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:07,519
DeAndre and like, all right,
who's that big? You have Isaiah Jackson

775
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:10,559
and Gogo Pazza, you're gonna need
an other one. I had like Kyle

776
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:15,360
Anderson penciled in for this team.
It's just like he's not gonna ruin your

777
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,760
timeline even though he's older for it. And you just need like a bigger

778
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,400
body to move about like the three
in the four spots. I know he's

779
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,719
mostly a four now, doesn't provide
much in the way of shooting for them.

780
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,280
But if Buddy Heeled is still on
this roster and Brogden Halibert and and

781
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,760
Turner is still on the roster,
if you're looking to just thread that needle,

782
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,920
like see what you like have for
the start of next season, that's

783
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,440
the play and you have the cap
space to be like, all right,

784
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:39,960
like fuck it, we can give
him a little bit more than the non

785
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,480
taxpayer mL E over a short term. Maybe he takes it with the promise

786
00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:46,639
of a bigger role. I just
don't know. There the we went through

787
00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:51,800
the restrictive free agents, but there
aren't even like a ton of interesting,

788
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,920
cheaper young free agents in this year's
class, Like I thought about Jordan Mora

789
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:01,960
for them would be like fairly interesting
Jail Noel if Minnesota declines his team option.

790
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,559
I'm not sure what they're going to
to do with that, but it's

791
00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:09,400
just like that's how barren the market
is right now. So they could be

792
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,119
that, you know, maybe I
don't want to say a lower and Kyle

793
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:16,079
Anderson but better stop gaps. Could
be Wantsasconna Anderson, who's just cheaper,

794
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:21,280
and you know that you could move
him around the positional spectrum. I just

795
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,760
don't know what they're gonna I just
don't. I feel like this is if

796
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,000
I had to predict, and this
is kind of where I guess this conversation

797
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,960
needs to head. I think both
Frog didn Turner will be traded this summer.

798
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,679
I think this is the off season
that they take the stick of dynamite

799
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:37,199
in full. The Sabonus. I
know there's been other reports, but the

800
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:42,760
Sabonus trade showed me that they're willing
to do something seismic. Yeah, and

801
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,199
I think they follow through with it
this offseason I think, I think I

802
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,360
probably agree. What do you think? I mean, this goes the total

803
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,199
opposite direction. But what do you
think about a deal built around Gordon Hayward

804
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:57,800
and Miles Turner. Everybody loves the
homecoming angle, but certainly Charlotte would I

805
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,320
think solve a lot of problems doing
that. But is it just a question

806
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:06,199
of how much sweetener do you need
coming from Charlotte? And because look,

807
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,800
Turner's expiring too, so it's not
like you can really ask for the moon

808
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:13,559
just to take on Hayward's money.
But do you have you have you thought

809
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:15,880
about that at all? Have you
seen that? And what are your thoughts

810
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:16,800
on that? But yeah, I've
I've thought about it, and I just

811
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,880
don't know what if Charlotte includes a
sweetener at this point because the Hayward money

812
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,199
and there's a chance that he makes
you too good to maybe be where you

813
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:29,480
want to be. But his fit
on the roster is genuinely intriguing. And

814
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:30,960
then from Charlotte's perspective, and this
is the problem, I ran into a

815
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,320
phoenix. They don't want to pay
eighton and they don't seem like they want

816
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,119
to pay any big more than like
twenty million. Turner is not necessarily gonna

817
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:40,320
be cheaper. He'll be cheaper than
eight and I don't think he's getting the

818
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,679
max, but like that's probably someone
who's still getting twenty plus, I would

819
00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:47,840
guess unless something drastically changes. So
I don't know how Charlotte would value him.

820
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,719
I think the more popular framework has
been does Kelly Ubrid Junior, PJ.

821
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,800
Washington and something get you Miles Turner? And even then for Indie it's

822
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,760
like, well Ubray works, like
could definitely fit. I don't know,

823
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:04,559
like Rick Carlisle, he's someone Rickcarlo
might strangle, but yeah, you're doing

824
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:07,960
that trade for PJ. Washington and
then the something And is that enough for

825
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,400
Miles Turner. Iven when he gets
traded, I'll be fascinated to see what

826
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,199
his value is because it feels like
that there's been division there with him for

827
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:20,079
quite some time. It's very much
complicated by the fact that next offseason,

828
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,159
if Turner plays well, like we've
all we already talked about him as a

829
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:27,800
big that fits a lot of places
just because of the stretch and the shop

830
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:32,280
blocking, like you really might be
renting him with the like the best outcome

831
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:37,199
being you're gonna have to pay him
close to thirty million a year to keep,

832
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,440
because I do think that will be
a pretty robust market for him if

833
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:45,800
he's not terrible next year. I
will say I would love to see this

834
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,239
be like if they were willing to
play him, and I don't think that

835
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:52,159
Rick Carlo would be Let's make this
a Kevin Knox team just to grow him

836
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:54,320
out there someone. I just want
someone to play Kevin Knox twenty five minutes

837
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,559
a game for like, you know, twenty five straight games, just to

838
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:01,360
see what happens. And I don't
think the Pacers are that team, but

839
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:06,320
it seems like they're certainly gonna have
the timeline flexibility to experiment with that.

840
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,360
Anything else from you on them,
Jarrek Colver? Maybe like, is this

841
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:15,159
the second draft? Jarreck Colver?
Team cover team? Any of these potential

842
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:19,039
rebuilders should all be the second second
draft guys? I mean, like and

843
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,519
the injury question mark guys, PJ. Dozer, you know guys like that,

844
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:27,400
I think are all all in play. Troy Brown Junior would be possibly

845
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,440
interesting here, definitely not enough of
a proven like his shot selection would probably

846
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,480
not be It's not great and he's
an unproven shooter, but yeah, I'm

847
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,960
with you that they should be among
the teams that are looking for these second

848
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,639
draft guys, the final team in
the Central Division, which could end up

849
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:45,199
being like incredibly fascinating or not fascinating
at all, depending on how you look

850
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:50,000
at it. Their key free agent
Sergebaca. Bobby Portis has a player option

851
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,159
that I don't think he's decline is
of yet, but they have early bird

852
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:55,440
rights on him and he's expected to
return. Jordan mora early bird restricted free

853
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,800
agent. Wesley Matthews is the non
bird, and so is Javon Carter.

854
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,199
Both of those guys, by the
way, where players they should look at

855
00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:06,119
bringing back. They don't really have
any notable non guarantees. There's Luca Vildoza

856
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,280
one point eight million is non guaranteed
the opening night, Ray John Tucker has

857
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:14,440
six hundred and fifty k guaranteed and
then fully guarantees at one point eight the

858
00:54:14,519 --> 00:54:17,760
last day of the moratorium. Notable
extension candidate's Chris Middleton and Brook Lopez were

859
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,360
both eligible for extensions. The one
that's more interesting to me, Pat Connaughton,

860
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:27,199
shocked everybody because we just we've been
going through this wing free agency market

861
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,920
for quite some time now him opting
into five point seven million, when he

862
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,719
could have gotten almost double that just
based off the non taxpayer mid level exception,

863
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:37,639
maybe even more because the BUCKS can
offer him more. He's extension eligible.

864
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,840
I would just predict that he's getting
a four year extension that's worth it's

865
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,039
a one hundred and it starts at
one hundred and twenty percent of the leaguest

866
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:49,880
average annual salary. Last year's average
adgunmal salary in twenty twenty twenty one was

867
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,440
ten million, so that should be
higher now or at least around there,

868
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:57,119
so he could get into the four
year sixty million dollar range. Guaranteeing him

869
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:00,519
over the next five is five years, and like let's say sixty six million,

870
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:02,000
maybe that's more than he could have
gotten. And it's definitely more than

871
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,880
he could have gotten in some on
the open market. So I would expect

872
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,320
that that. I just thought when
I saw him opted, I was surprised.

873
00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:13,239
No notable trade exceptions. And their
best spending tool is the mini mL

874
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:19,199
I have in parentheticals. The question
of but will they use it? You

875
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,800
have to ask that question. That's
tough. I hate that they look I

876
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:30,079
mean they I guess it's to their
credit, they they finished inside the tax

877
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:32,880
this past year, but they're like
as of right now, and yes,

878
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,440
there's they don't have a ton of
roster spots actually filled on guaranteed contracts.

879
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,840
They are inside seven million dollars of
the tax when you pencil in like the

880
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,199
minimum contract holes. That's a number. We talked about this with the Nuggets,

881
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:46,679
where Team governers are gonna look at
and be like, well, you

882
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,039
know, like could we get could
we get under that? And they have

883
00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:55,159
these contracts that I'm sure they don't
necessarily want where it's George Hill four million,

884
00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:00,760
and then Grayson Allen feels like he
was signed to be a trade piece

885
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,159
later on when you look at his
nine point four million dollars number. But

886
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,880
they're putting on bringing back Bobby Portis
and that's just gonna skyrocket your tax bill

887
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:13,920
anyway from there. So my guess
is I'm prepared for them not to use

888
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,280
it because they're gonna look at,
oh, well we're paying Portis and still

889
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:20,480
in the tax anyway. They absolutely
this is without question, they absolutely should

890
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:24,480
use it. Yeah, I just
I think they gotta because like just looking

891
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:29,840
at I don't think you can go
in you know, Middleton's absence kind of

892
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:34,400
exposed a lot of things where if
he's healthy for the full playoff run,

893
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,880
maybe maybe like we're just talking about
the Bucks having repeated and it doesn't really

894
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,800
matter that much that like Wes Matthews, just the second he put the ball

895
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,559
on the floor, like the probability
of a good outcome like went to zero.

896
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,719
Like Grayson Allen, I, you
know, kind of got bumped out

897
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:57,360
of the rotation for defensive reasons like
Connachton just can't be your only reliable reserve

898
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,679
rotation. I will say Wesley Matthew, he was probably too important to the

899
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:05,199
Bucks last year, but he held
him a lot better defensively than I thought

900
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:07,559
someone who didn't begin the season on
the roster. Shout out to the Lakers.

901
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:12,320
I don't know why they like why
I didn't reside him, but please

902
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,239
carry on. I probably know that's
just it. He was too important,

903
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,840
Like you can't that's not that's not
what you want as a as a title

904
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,000
contender. Again, maybe it doesn't
matter because everybody moves down the pecking order

905
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,599
of Middleton is healthy and you're not
having to consider like, wow, we

906
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:30,559
really got you know, Alan and
Matthew's out there together like this isn't this

907
00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:35,400
is not a solid you know,
title winning teams. So the tax pyramid

908
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,880
level, I don't know if it
gets you the types of guys they need.

909
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,480
Like you're Gary Harris, You're you
know, Daniel House, you probably

910
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,760
would get Auto Porter. Don't think
so. Otto Porter is the like I

911
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,239
have his name written inside a heart
for the Bucks and other teams. But

912
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,840
like Otto Porter is like the perfect
free agent. If he's only costing the

913
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:59,639
mini MLI, the Warriors better be
resigning him, but maybe I think they

914
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:01,719
can. I promised him a Biger
role in Milwaukee. I also think you've

915
00:58:01,719 --> 00:58:07,159
noted that Otto Porter's ideal role is
not a bigger role. It's what the

916
00:58:07,199 --> 00:58:08,960
Warriors were able to do with him
this past season, right, yeah,

917
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,079
I think I think there is major
downside risk with him, and positionally,

918
00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:16,639
like Porter really is a four.
So I love the idea of like Jannis

919
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,159
and Porter, you know, as
a center, power forward combination. But

920
00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:23,199
if you are going to commit quite
a bit to Bobby Porters, I think

921
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:27,320
you can correct me. I think
because they've got an early bird, they

922
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,079
can start a new deal at a
round eleven million a year. So I

923
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:36,840
mean like that's a decent commitment.
He's played well for them, unless you're

924
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,239
gonna trade Brook Lopez, which maybe
we can talk about how likely that is,

925
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:45,519
how effective that will be in getting
talent you need. It's kind of

926
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:49,320
harder for me to I love Porter
almost everywhere. I think he would upgrade

927
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,360
the team, but like he's a
four and I don't know if that's gonna

928
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,719
That doesn't feel replacing, say Wes
Matthews with Auto Porter. I'm not sure

929
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,559
changes a ton just because I don't
know how well Porter is gonna hold up

930
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:06,840
against some Wings defensively, It doesn't
I think it improves your playoff lineup packages

931
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,639
to when you probably need to downsize
more with Jannis, no doubt, no

932
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:12,800
doubt. What do you think about? Do you have other targets? Do

933
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,400
you want to talk about Lopez?
Because if we're going to improve the roster,

934
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:17,320
be a trade, like he's pretty
much the guy. Yeah, the

935
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:22,280
targets I had would be a mere
Coffee was on there. I had Daniel

936
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:23,880
House as well. This would be
a great t J. Warrant team.

937
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:28,719
I actually now I'm thinking about maybe
you mentioned him, so, yeah,

938
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,280
that's it's like the same type of
guys. I wouldn't mind if you were

939
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,679
looking for like the we're talking about
the idea of Otto Porter, just go

940
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,599
for the minimum guy and watches Connoe
Anderson. Let's just continue pillaging Warriors free

941
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:42,400
agents and we'll go with Damian Lee, who I just feel like the way

942
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,880
he moves off the ball and can
shoot and is better defensively than a lot

943
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:50,840
of other minimum. I would argue
minimum like he's gonna be better defensively now

944
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,599
than it Kemp pays more, is
my point, So that like I would

945
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:57,559
look at that, But yeah,
I think I don't think they would.

946
00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:00,000
This dovetails with this. I wanted
to know if one you thought they were

947
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:04,280
going to offer extensions to either Middleton
or Lopez. I think Lopez. The

948
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,679
clear answer is no, Middleton is
eligible for a three year, one fifty

949
01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:13,639
two point five million dollar extension or
four years and like two hundred million,

950
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,320
it doesn't have to be the full
Would you offer the three year one?

951
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,960
I might do like a Kyle Lowry
level thing from a couple of years ago,

952
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,159
where you're doing you're going three years, but you're staying under one hundred

953
01:00:23,159 --> 01:00:27,280
million total. I don't think for
three years one hundred million flat, Like,

954
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,039
yeah, I'm not offering Chris Middleton
three a three year max extension.

955
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:35,519
I love Chris Middleton, but yeah, no, and his game theoretically should

956
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:38,000
age well because it's not really based
on athleticism and he's always gonna be able

957
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:43,039
to shoot, so he does probably
have plenty of leverage based off after he

958
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:45,000
got injured in the flat for sure. Yeah, there's no doubt that he

959
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:47,599
can go to them and say,
look what happens when you don't have me?

960
01:00:49,159 --> 01:00:52,039
And certainly I think at least with
the big pieces, the Bucks have

961
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:58,239
done well to just like we're gonna
spend, but there's everyone's got a limit,

962
01:00:58,239 --> 01:01:00,840
and they are still a small,
small market team and they've got the

963
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,880
ring already, so it's kind of
like maybe there's less urgency. I don't

964
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,320
know. I think Lopez no no
chance for an extension. I would like

965
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:12,719
it sucks for the continuity in the
chemistry and you might just get you honest

966
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,039
saying you I will not allow it. But I think Lopez as a trade

967
01:01:16,039 --> 01:01:22,000
candidate like makes perfect sense. I
think if Charlotte wants to improve its defense

968
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:25,559
because Steve Clifford is the coach there
now, even just for Kelly Ubre,

969
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:30,840
I think is not the craziest thing
in the world. Probably Charlotte has to

970
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,320
give up a little more. But
something like that where you just just get

971
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,400
me a wing. I know I
can play that, can guard and do

972
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:42,880
stuff off the ball, and let
me I'll just play you honest at center.

973
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,320
I think I'm comfortable with that going
forward. So I think that that's

974
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,599
that to me, is like the
clearest way for a team that doesn't have

975
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:53,039
a lot of avenues to get better. I had that exact trade mapped out.

976
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:55,880
Also the other the last target I
had from Milwaukee. Daddy's young.

977
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,679
I would expect it he'll get more
from Toronto, but if he falls into

978
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:02,960
mini Emily territory, not the perfect
one, and it falls to how many

979
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,039
wings is he defending. But if
you want to downsize, he's more valuable

980
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:08,119
than Bobby Portis. I don't even
want to say downsize, but if you

981
01:02:08,159 --> 01:02:13,960
want to go the non traditional center
lineup rout, I have a couple other

982
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:19,159
though brook Lopez destinations. DeAndre Ayton
leaves Phoenix, and I don't know what

983
01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:21,840
the return is gonna be on him, But if they don't get a big

984
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,079
back, Brook Lopez for Jake Crowder. Oh, I like theeah, same

985
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:29,559
idea. I like that someone that's
gonna I mean crowd or even at least

986
01:02:29,239 --> 01:02:31,760
there need to be another shooting too. Does there need to be another moving

987
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,920
part in there? Let me check, No, there actually does not,

988
01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:37,239
unless some way off on brook Lopez
a salary of my sheet. No,

989
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:42,000
that would work. Yeah, so
that could work the other one I had.

990
01:02:42,039 --> 01:02:45,239
I don't know what san Antonio is
doing brook Lopez for Josh Richardson just

991
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:49,440
exchanging expiring contracts and if you still
have Yaka Purdle there, Like, is

992
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,880
brook Lopez a backup five is?
I don't have a problem with that.

993
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,719
Yeah, No, I like that. Yeah, you just gotta go big,

994
01:02:55,079 --> 01:03:00,119
big for a wing, which which
is extremely hard to do anything else

995
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:02,760
for you on this team. I
really well, I do think the depth

996
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,199
needs to come in the form of
probably I want to see them get another

997
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:10,320
wing, but they could use like
a backup guard who's the upgrade over George

998
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:14,360
Hill. Maybe that's just Jevon Carter. They just need depth, though,

999
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:19,679
to help them navigate any potential absences
or minutes where they don't have their full

1000
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:23,280
stable star power on the court.
Yeah, I don't have any other specific

1001
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:28,119
targets. I agree with what you
said there. This was great. Thank

1002
01:03:28,119 --> 01:03:30,559
you for everyone who made it this
far for listening. We did it in

1003
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:32,440
under an hour, so we're kind
of on the pace that we're supposed to

1004
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:36,119
be. Please remember to rate,
review, and subscribe to this podcast,

1005
01:03:36,159 --> 01:03:37,840
or if you get your podcast,
subscribe to us on YouTube. Join our

1006
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,880
discord, the links to which are
in all of our descriptions. Follow us

1007
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:46,480
on the socials grant Is podcast description
social account official. It took me longer

1008
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:51,000
to say that than to just tell
you to follow at GT underscore us Until

1009
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:52,679
next time. We'll leave with a
shout out to the one, the only,

1010
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:57,079
the free agent who actually wouldn't be
a bad fit on any of these

1011
01:03:57,079 --> 01:03:59,159
five teams in the Central Division,
Frankie Lakina.