WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:07.519 This is I on the Bone with Steve Rivera and Jagan Zali Son Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.559 --> 00:00:14.279 fourteen fifty powered by Nova Insurance Services and Sure your most Prized Possessions kat z 3 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:18.839 R two SA in iHeartRadio Station. Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome 4 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:22.679 to I on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. 5 00:00:22.839 --> 00:00:26.719 He's Jagan Zaus got our guy Ryan in today. I'm shocked. I'm 6 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:31.399 working with two guys today in studio. Dallas lost and so did the Dodgers. 7 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:35.640 Oh god, really, that's where we're gonna go, like right out 8 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:37.759 of the right out of the box. Well you know what, Okay, 9 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:40.799 Well back at you. You know why, because I was told to give 10 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:45.520 you a rash of crap because you were so certain that the that the Mavericks 11 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:49.600 were gonna win yesterday, and you were wrong, and I'm collecting because of 12 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:53.759 it. That's a bad mistake on my part. I'm still with it. 13 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:58.520 It's like following forward and getting a better job. You were you were just 14 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:03.359 dead freaking wrong. You had no shot. I was That was my that 15 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:06.400 was my my mode and no one can see it on the radio here, 16 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:11.359 but my module of Jagan zawis giving the reverse psychology of the win and then 17 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:14.120 they went to lose. They'll lose and then they win. No, just 18 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:17.200 seeing o Ryan. I did not take the Mavericks last night, all right, 19 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:19.480 so the kiss of death. I did not put the kiss of death 20 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:23.319 on him. I had nothing to do with it. I did Game two 21 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:26.560 though, well, yeah, that one I did. But I did take 22 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:33.959 the under because with Porzingis being out and I hit that, I hit it 23 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:38.239 relatively comfortably. Was it was? It was two fourteen and I think the 24 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:44.000 final was like two eight or something like that for game two, No three 25 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:47.239 less, game Game three three, Game three, and I hit the under 26 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:49.680 in game three. So uh, you know, I'm I'm doing I'm doing 27 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:53.760 well. I've bet on all three games that I've hit two and lost one. 28 00:01:56.439 --> 00:01:59.920 Okay, there's that, There's that. There's that or the Dodgers man 29 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:02.599 that was that was crap. That was a good game. I saw someone. 30 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:06.560 The thing is the guy that beat him. Corey seeger a a former 31 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:09.120 Dodger. Yeah, b on my fantasy team. Well did you got some 32 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:12.240 points? Well, I don't care. I didn't want to. I'd rather 33 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.199 my team sucks. So it's not like I'm in the hunt, so if 34 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:19.000 pory Seger doesn't score any points, I have no problem with it. I'm 35 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:22.759 I'm so far I'm in last place in my fantasy. I'm so far out 36 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:29.400 of that I just fell out of my chair. Hold on, well, 37 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:31.560 that's what It's summer, man, it's summer. You have some juice, 38 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:36.800 like you say, some juice. Yeah, so anyway, okay, hey, 39 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.400 welcome to Thursday. Another day we gotta get through. Here we are 40 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:43.439 on Thursday, another hot day. A good show today though, got some 41 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:46.919 good guests. Yeah, we do this. It's gonna be fun. Uh, 42 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:51.439 we were We're gonna talk to John Wilner. He's always on top of 43 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:55.599 the business of college athletics with all the stuff that's going on. He's also 44 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:00.919 you know, he's in a transition, right. Uh. PAC twelve hotline 45 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:02.520 is probably going to be no more because there's no PAC twelve. Yeah. 46 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:05.479 Well, the kind of is at the PAC two. But I don't know 47 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:07.960 what they're gonna end up calling that. But he's, you know, he 48 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:10.000 has said in the past, so he's going to cover all basically all the 49 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:15.280 PAC twelve teams, just having to cover them in three different conferences, actually 50 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:19.879 four different conferences if you count whatever conference, Washington State and Oregon Stadium. 51 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:23.560 But John will be in to talk about just how things are going. You 52 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:27.840 know, there's a lot of stuff happening. You know, we saw today 53 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:31.639 that the Big twelve is selling the naming rights to or maybe selling the naming 54 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:36.719 rights to the conference, which is kind of weird, but okay. And 55 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:43.360 then Roxy Bernstein, who we wanted to get him on right after Arizona's well, 56 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:45.759 right after the PAC twelve Baseball turnam right right, it was the last 57 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:51.439 PAC twelve network event. But that Monday, I think it was Bill Walton 58 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:55.159 passed away. You know, Roxy was you know, the Roxy and Walton 59 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:59.080 were close, so we didn't want to bother Roxy, you know, come 60 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:00.840 on the show and tell us about things, you know when he was probably 61 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:03.840 not feeling great, So just kind of let him be for a little bit. 62 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:06.400 But reach back out to him this week and he's going to be on 63 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:10.240 today in the four fifteen at about four fifteen, Yeah, which is gonna 64 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:13.479 be great. We'll talk about all the things that were in the PAC twelve 65 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:16.879 pack ten back in the day and his time with Loot with Wistollen. Yeah. 66 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:19.639 So yeah, and just I mean, you know, he's got he 67 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:24.199 still has a gig. Right, he's an ESPN guy, so he's still 68 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:26.839 got a gig. Some of the others, don't, you know. I'd 69 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:28.959 like, you know, somebody like to get on. Is Ashley Adamson. 70 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:30.160 You know, what's she gonna do? Right, I mean she's sort of 71 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:33.959 her and Yogi Roth sort of the face of the network. Yeah, I'm 72 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:36.959 sure, along with Bill Walton. But you know, I'm sure they'll find 73 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:42.000 something doing something. Yeah. So the thing about the marketing, how the 74 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:45.720 market is so crazy? Yeah, yeah, when you like to think. 75 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:46.959 And she's good, I mean, she's really good, and she's one of 76 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:50.720 the nicest people you know on the planet. So it would be be nice 77 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:54.120 to see where she lands. But anyways, but Rocky Burns, he will 78 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:58.519 join us, and he was at the Kentucky Super Regional this last weekend, 79 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:01.800 so he's still doing hot baseball. I don't think he's doing the cauldrole. 80 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:04.959 Seriously. I think it starts today, doesn't it. Yeah, I'm not 81 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:10.879 too sure. Looks tall you Thursday probably probably let's go run. You gotta 82 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:15.199 get on that for us, But uh, but that you know, and 83 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:19.079 then of course you got your dang, Celtic, you're killing Chris. You're 84 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:23.199 killing Chris on that bat. Yeah. Well he wanted to make it. 85 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:26.160 I said, okay, i'll talk take more money. I'll take your money. 86 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:30.360 Good money is for free money. And Ryan's going dang. Yeah. 87 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:31.360 Well it's just the way they play. They're the best day with the best 88 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:35.600 team O year. They're noticing Ryan, where's the gear? I just like 89 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:41.360 wearing it today. It's good gear. You bring on next year. I'll 90 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:44.360 work tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see what happens. I mean, 91 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:46.079 it was a good game. It was a good game for the final minutes 92 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.800 until, you know, until it wasn't it a fourth? Yeah, I 93 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:55.720 mean yeah, I mean they were down for twenty one and and you know, 94 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:58.160 and I just I was doing some work and I had it on in 95 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:00.360 the background, and then I heard him say it's down to four. And 96 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:05.639 I'm like, holy, you know, and I stopped. I stopped what 97 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:09.160 I was doing to watch the rest of the game. I was. I 98 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:12.839 was sitting in my recliner just I was just like sitting, just like hunched 99 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:15.279 over just listening to it. I was like, I can't really watch it. 100 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:19.199 It's it's over. They're down by twenty going to the fourth and and 101 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:21.800 then I just okay, they got to they got a few baskets here and 102 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:26.360 there, and then it just slowly started. Yeah, okay, well maybe 103 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:28.879 they're gonna come back. Well, you know, as you have said a 104 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:30.680 million times, Steve, nothing happens to the fourth quarter. Yea. I 105 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:34.839 was with a bunch of people less time said wait, hold on, game's 106 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:38.399 up. Over until it's over. I know you always happen. I know 107 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:42.120 you're bummed that they're they're they're down three, But did you I mean, 108 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:46.680 do you even think that that this would be happening. There's a part of 109 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:50.240 me that's not that's not shocked, Like I I really thought Boston was just 110 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:54.560 gonna come out there. They are the better team, like the right they 111 00:06:54.600 --> 00:07:00.360 have They have five guys on the court at a time that are better than 112 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:03.879 the Mavericks five. You know, you have Donchence, you have Irving that 113 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:09.959 are really the two pieces for Dallas. I mean, Josh Green hasn't done 114 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:14.199 much, Derek Lively hasn't done much. PJ. Washington has done a little 115 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:18.240 bit. But I mean Boston's got they yeah, like they can shoot it 116 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:21.879 from anywhere on the court. Right and make it. That's frustrating because I'm 117 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:26.240 like, I mean, I had no idea how Al Harford could shoot from 118 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:29.519 outside either, that's stupid. Well, that's the whole thing. I mean. 119 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:30.439 If you're not a big guy, you can't shoot outside, you're not 120 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:32.959 worth anything anymore. Yeah, you have to. You have to. Yeah, 121 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.319 you have to if you're gonna play some time. Look at Channing front, 122 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:40.439 he just reinvented himself. Yeah, and every and now the other guy, 123 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:43.800 the kids now coming out, they have to. It's like that's why 124 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:47.839 these kids that we see every day with h you know, with Johnson and 125 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:51.160 some of the other ones, they needed to learn how to shoot from the 126 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:55.000 outside. They could be very talented, as Johnson is, right, but 127 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:59.160 he wasn't good enough or isn't good enough from the prember I mean maybe twelve 128 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.839 ten feet yes, but twenty one feet yeah, yeah, no, I 129 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:05.399 hear you. And yeah, I mean, and that's it. You know, 130 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:07.600 that's the thing that you hear. The most of the Celtics are just 131 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:09.519 you know, all the way down there, all the way down the line, 132 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:13.639 just have better players. I think Brown, I think he's going to 133 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:18.040 be the m v P. Brown. Yeah, Ja he's really done. 134 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:22.839 Plus, the Mavericks are four or five seed, the fifth seed. Let's 135 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:24.199 not forget there were a fifth seed, yeah right, you know, and 136 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:28.439 now they're in the finals, so well, you know that it's caught up 137 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:31.199 with them. Well, and this has caught up with them too. And 138 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.039 I'm sure you heard this right about the back court with him, Irving and 139 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:39.960 Luca be the best backcourt in forever whatever, and yeah, stop stop police. 140 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:43.399 I mean, there's pretty good combos out there that you know, maybe 141 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.519 they were for the last three weeks. Sure, well, and that's it, 142 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.360 just last three weeks, but not overall, not overall over time, 143 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:54.759 you know, because they hadn't been playing well. But that's a head heck 144 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:58.799 of a statement. Irving didn't do anything in the first two games, like 145 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:03.440 if he had actually what he had been doing in the season or throughout the 146 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:07.840 other playoff series, they might have had a chance. Actually, let's also 147 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.720 say that there's a big reason for that. Boston's pretty damn good and not 148 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:15.600 making them do what they can do, you know, and Luca last night 149 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:20.639 kind of went overboard and did he you know, got trouble, got trouble, 150 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:24.080 blah blah blah. It happens. I mean, that wasn't played. 151 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.399 They've played good defense against them, but like I said, Boston just can 152 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:30.840 make it, shoot it from anywhere. Yeah, so the reason they were 153 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:35.399 the favorite going in right, you're there, Okay, Okay, I just 154 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:39.679 wanted to I hate sweets, you know, because he looks so forward to 155 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:43.879 the finals, right, whether it's Stanley Cup, whether it's the World Series, 156 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:46.279 whether it's you know, the NBA Finals. You want it to last 157 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:48.679 a while. I want this to go, you know, towards the end 158 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:50.759 of June, because then it's like it ends. It's like, okay, 159 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.440 now, what are we going to watch baseball? I know baseball, and 160 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:58.759 I watched baseball every day, but it's still you like to have stuff. 161 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:03.200 Well, speaking speaking of baseball, the College World story starts tomorrow tomorrow, 162 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:09.039 okay, all right, Virginia North Carolina. I don't have any interest in 163 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:13.080 them. Yeah, I need to do. And it's an all SEC that's 164 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.240 why. That's party, Like I don't really care, you know, that's 165 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:18.360 partly why. And I don't know if I can remember off the top of 166 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.240 my head right now, any of these star players. You know, last 167 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.000 year you could kind of see LSU with their guys. There's that picture. 168 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:31.840 Who's now with Pittsburgh Gonzales is having enough fantastic? Yes, the scheme is 169 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.879 this name. I can't forget any schemes. Who's there's some guys that you 170 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:39.799 want to see this year? I don't know. I don't Maybe I just 171 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.919 don't know, but I can't remember any of the top of my head. 172 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:48.759 I haven't followed it closely enough to kind of pick out. Yeah. In 173 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:50.679 fact, I watched some of the Softball because I was just interested to see 174 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:54.720 how how good or maybe Oklahoma would not win it, and they eventually pulled 175 00:10:54.720 --> 00:11:01.519 it off. I watched zero of the of the game series for yeah, 176 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:05.639 oh that's by the way. Let's see if I can try to get to 177 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:13.639 Texas eighty Uh contry to see you because he's had a good year to see 178 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.960 he says, yes. I say, yeah, I was gonna say a 179 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.200 bad word Steve. Yeah, well I was gonna say a bad word in 180 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:24.559 Spanish, So that might happen either one. It might happen. See, 181 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:28.399 I'll try to track him down and see if we can't get on censor. 182 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:33.360 Yeah, that might be hard. That might checked tomorrow. Okay, what 183 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:37.759 else that's been a good, good couple of guests here, uh running into 184 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.159 well when when you get to breaking news, the uf A released it's Hall 185 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:43.840 of Fame class for this year. So we won't mention any of the names 186 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:48.200 right now. We'll let Ryan bring those up during during breaking news. I've 187 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:50.039 got one. I've got one to debate. But okay, okay, yeah, 188 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:56.759 we'll talk about all that if it wouldn't be personal with you. There's 189 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:01.879 eighty, there's eight and this one really one in there somebody that I really 190 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:05.919 really like, Okay, I do like some people. Really, there are 191 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:11.759 some people that I like. There are some people that like. I got 192 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:13.200 a little story to tell about that guy. Okay, cool, very cool, 193 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.759 mam. I think I got a guess. I'll guess about that one. 194 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:20.039 Yeah, Okay. The US opens going on. Yeah, Tiger Tiger 195 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:24.360 Woods was leading, was leading for a second well after his first hole, 196 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:28.960 and then then he went in a stretch where he bogued I think four or 197 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:33.720 five holes or something like that. I thought that was because way horrible, 198 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:37.960 Yeah, Michlson. But Tiger's he's in position to make the cut. He's 199 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:43.759 in over, he's four over, he's in uh now, actually he's dropped 200 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.440 a little bit because of more guy's playing. Ah, he's in ninety nine, 201 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:48.840 so he's not in position. He's gonna have to he's gonna have to 202 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:54.559 get his uh you know what and gear tomorrow. But Scottie Scheffler is not 203 00:12:54.279 --> 00:13:00.960 is not doing well. He's in He's currently in four first place. He's 204 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:05.919 one over after fifteen. The lead right now is and I'm really mad at 205 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:09.120 this, really mad at this. Patrick Can'tley because I had him last week 206 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:15.039 and he missed the cut and now he's leading the US Open at five hundred 207 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:20.519 par. But I will say the guys that he did take louvig Oberg he's 208 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:24.000 from Sweden and he's minus four, so what jrokeout? So I'm happy about 209 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:28.320 that. Don't let him know that you took him. And bryceon de shambles 210 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:31.600 up there. He's four over after fourteen, so I'm not rooting for him 211 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:37.039 either. He's a live guy, So there you go. Okay, anything 212 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.799 else in school early is three now? Yeah? Yeah, we can John 213 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:43.440 be uh you be ready for us to be ready for Sole. Let's go 214 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.600 ahead and take get out of here right stick around for John Willer coming right 215 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:52.080 up the window Depot has everything you need to create the kitchen or bathroom of 216 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:56.720 your dreams. 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He's Jagins always now 290 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:17.640 and if we have John Wilner, Oh, the PAC twelve hotline, John, 291 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:19.720 how are you? I'm good. Thanks. How you guys doing. 292 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:23.160 We're doing well, thank you. It's only one hundred and ten degrees here, 293 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:26.920 so it's a ball meet. It's okay, Hey, are you busy? 294 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:30.559 You hot over there where you're at covering the what's left of the PAC 295 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:34.880 twelve, Well, it's busy. I mean what's left of the PAC twelve, 296 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:38.119 the Big twelve, the Big Ten. There's a lot going on, 297 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:44.759 and most of the things that go on are going on affect everybody. I 298 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:48.960 mean, the Big Twelve had a little bit of news today when they said 299 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:55.079 they were when they were Sports Sam, they are looking at selling the basically 300 00:19:55.160 --> 00:20:00.319 the naming rights to the conference could be the All State twelve before we know. 301 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:03.480 It's there's tons going on these days. Yeah, we're having a little 302 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:07.519 discussion about that, and you know how much value there really is and all 303 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:08.680 all that stuff. And I said, well, you know, I mean, 304 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:11.680 we know it's the All State Sugar Bowl. We know, it's a 305 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:14.680 Capital One Orange Bowl, you know, all those things, So there is 306 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:18.000 some value and if they think there's the most important thing is All State has 307 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:21.519 to think that there's some value, and then then the Big twelve gets gets 308 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:23.559 their money. But with all this stuff that's going on, how are you 309 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:26.559 keeping up with all of it? You know, I mentioned off air, 310 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:30.279 there's stuff going on in Congress. There's the fact that all these teams now 311 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:33.960 that are changing leagues. They're in those leagues now right. I know we're 312 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:37.279 not to July one yet, but essentially, you know, for Arizona, 313 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:41.039 we're talking about their pack, their Big twelve season coming up, We're done 314 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:45.640 talking about the Pac twelve. All their sports are over with. How are 315 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:51.039 you keeping up with all of that? Well, it's tough. I mean 316 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:56.359 what happens on the field is in a lot of ways secondary, especially right 317 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:59.680 now. I mean it's it's hard enough to keep track of the transfer portal 318 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:04.680 right much less everything else. I just do a lot of reading and make 319 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:10.720 a lot of phone calls, and I end up looking up lots of legal 320 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:17.240 terms that I'm might familiar with, because there's certainly plenty of stuff legally that 321 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:19.440 is impacting what's going on. I mean, you know Brett, your Mark, 322 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:23.519 the Big twelve commissioner. He addressed the Arizona Border regions last week, 323 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:30.519 so I was watching that, and yesterday the California Border regions naming chance for 324 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:36.039 and then you got these everybody going to Congress asking for help, and you've 325 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:40.559 got the legal settlement and that billion dollar A and I trust case. I 326 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:45.039 mean, it's it is non stop, and the stuff that happens off the 327 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:52.240 field is gaining significance every month in terms of the impact that it has on 328 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:56.240 the field because it affects the money the schools have, and the money affects 329 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.359 you know, coaches, your ability to hire coaches. It's going to affect 330 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:07.200 your ability to recruit athletes because of nil. So it's it's hard to keep 331 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:11.160 track. But it's also NonStop news. We talked about the money all the 332 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:12.400 time, and you write about it. I think a couple of days ago 333 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:17.839 you tweeted about the Washington being in financial trouble and I turned to James says, 334 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:22.279 push comes the sub show. Wouldn't you say that all the schools are 335 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:27.119 in trouble because of COVID or otherwise. Not all of them, but most 336 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:30.160 of them are. Yeah, the Huskies have got they're looking at like thirty 337 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:34.279 million dollars in debt, and some of that's from their stadium renovation. Both 338 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:40.440 Arizona schools are deep, deep in debt. Right, Most of the schools 339 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:45.559 in the PAC twelve are. Oregon is kind of the exception, and part 340 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:51.039 of that's because Oregon's got a very you know, rich donor base with one 341 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:56.440 guy in particular. So no, there's problems all over the place, and 342 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:00.000 it's just going to get worse financially because once the settlement of this anti trust 343 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:04.839 case takes effect, which is probably in the fall of twenty five, there's 344 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:08.920 gonna be twenty to thirty million dollars more and expenses every year. Schools are 345 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:12.400 gonna have to share revenue with the athletes for twenty million and then you're gonna 346 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:19.079 have another ten million and increase scholarship costs. So that's why the Big twelve, 347 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:23.079 for instance, is looking to sell the name big right. Why the 348 00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:27.440 Big twelve could become the All Stay twelve is because the schools need every dime 349 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:30.960 making get Yeah, you know, we were talking about you know, naming 350 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:37.039 rights and stuff like. And you know, my position is whatever you got 351 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:38.680 a name and that you can get money for it, then just do it 352 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:42.960 because I'd rather I'd rather you do that than say we're gonna kill this sport 353 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:47.319 or that sport or whatever because we don't have any money, or you're not 354 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:49.720 gonna be able to compete with the other schools because they have more money than 355 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:52.839 you do. I said, name it all, you know, name the 356 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.480 palm line, whatever you want to name. Name it if you can get 357 00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:00.680 some money for it. Well, this is how far are you willing to 358 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:03.920 go on that? So you're okay with the All State twelve? But are 359 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:11.000 you okay with the you know, pick a corporate name as the Arizona Athletic 360 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:18.559 Department sells its naming rights to pick a company in the In and Out Wildcats, 361 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:22.720 Okay, that could be next. It could be next, the All 362 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:26.960 State, the All State sun Devils, Yeah, Starbucks, Huskies, the 363 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:30.839 Nike Ducks. I mean that is potentially coming down the road. I mean 364 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:37.079 we're going to see corporate logos on midfield and every one of these football stadiums 365 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:40.880 in the year or two because schools are going to sell that space it's the 366 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:45.400 up and down Wildcats. You know, hey, you know what they did 367 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:48.480 in that seventies movie roller Ball, right, So I mean it worked for 368 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:49.559 them. I think it would work for us. No, I mean, 369 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:53.240 but I'm thinking that things are like Michael Center, Arizona Stadium. You know, 370 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:56.400 if you have to name them the state competitive, then name them. 371 00:24:57.400 --> 00:25:00.400 You know, I'd again, I'd rather you do that, then say we're 372 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:06.759 going to cut out golf and gymnastics and whatever other sports you know are are 373 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:10.279 dragging everything down because we know they're not going to ever cut out football and 374 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:14.000 basketball because you know they're they're the ones bringing the money. But there's other 375 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:17.839 things at stake, and you know, I like turning on well now it's 376 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:21.440 going to be streaming, you know in Arizona baseball game, right, And 377 00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:26.119 if stuff like that is at risk, and then I say name it all, 378 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:27.319 well, I think we're going to get there. We are going to 379 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:33.119 get there eventually, and it's not going to be a slow process because this 380 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:38.920 House, this House Lawsuit settlement is you know, a red alert for the 381 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:45.319 schools because if you can't compete for the for the power for conference schools, 382 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:51.960 the revenue sharing figure is somewhere around twenty one million a year. You don't 383 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:53.960 have to go all the way to twenty one million in revenue sharing, but 384 00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:59.920 we know that any school that doesn't is going to risk getting slaughtered and recruit 385 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:03.079 right right. So, so, John, So, of the of the 386 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:07.839 thing you're talking about with Congress and the lawsuit of the twenty million, twenty 387 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.839 two million, whatever million is, is every every student athlete gonna get paid 388 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.200 and what's the equality of what they're gonna get paid women? Well, we 389 00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.400 don't know. That's that's one of the there's a whole lot of unknowns. 390 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:25.759 One of them is are will that twenty one twenty two million have to be 391 00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:30.640 split equally between men and women? Will most of it be able to go 392 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:33.839 to football and men's basketball players? How will it get split up within the 393 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.319 teams? And also how's it gonna you know, how are they gonna pay 394 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:42.640 for it? But the title nine piece is to be determined, and that 395 00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:48.519 is a very very important piece. We're not going to know. So the 396 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:53.559 judge has to approve the settlement terms, which is supposed to happen, you 397 00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:57.680 know, later this summer early fall. Once once the judge approves the settlement 398 00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:02.799 terms know, then there will be a lawsuit on the Title nine front, 399 00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:07.160 and we're gonna have to wait for that lawsuit or lawsuits plural, to play 400 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:11.440 out in the court systems before we know how Title nine is going to be 401 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:17.319 impacted by this revenue sharing plan. You say there's gonna be a lawsuit, 402 00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:19.079 I mean, you know there's gonna be a lawsuit regarding Title nine once they 403 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.240 figure out. I mean, I'm guessing. But the NCAA gets sued every 404 00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:29.160 week about something. And the other thing is that there's there's an ongoing anti 405 00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:34.400 trust case in Colorado that a former UH Colorado running back filed against the n 406 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:40.599 cuble A. That is not part of the settlement that just happened. It 407 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:44.160 could it, could you know, render this settlement moved. We have no 408 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:52.039 idea, but there's almost no chance there won't be some kind of legal action 409 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:56.400 on Title nine with the with the revenue sharing. So the funny thing about 410 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.960 it, you got into sports writing for a reason, got into it briefly 411 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.599 for a while. I did it for a while a long time. This 412 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:08.359 is not why you're talking legal ease when you should be talking about maybe games 413 00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:15.400 and scores. You No, it's not but that it's the world right now. 414 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.480 I find a lot of the stuff kind of very interesting. I find 415 00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:25.920 media rites interesting, some of the court stuff interesting. But I have spent 416 00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:30.759 a lot of time reading through legal documents in the last I don't know, 417 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.279 nine ten months, and there have been some time. There have been some 418 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:37.119 times where I thought, boy, it'd be nice to just kind of focus 419 00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:41.920 on who's playing quarterback for so and so. But it's the way of the 420 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:45.839 world, and it's not gonna it's not going back to where it was. 421 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:51.160 That's the thing. Until I don't think that there's going to be uh, 422 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:57.960 you know, cessation of all this legal stuff until there's collective bargaining, right, 423 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:04.680 because you can't have a legal contract between players and schools unless it has 424 00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:11.920 been collectively bargained. There's no union in college football, so we're until that 425 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:15.680 happens, it's just going to continue, right. They have to get to 426 00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:21.319 an NFL or NBA style collective bargaining agreement, but that's a long ways off, 427 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:25.599 all right, So the athletes have no reason to do it. Why 428 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:27.440 would you join a union? Right now? If you're an athlete, you 429 00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:32.680 can transfer as often as you want and be eligible. You're going to get 430 00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:37.160 revenue sharing, and on top of the revenue sharing, is nil is going 431 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.559 to continue. You've got it made. If you're an athlete, there's no 432 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:45.359 reason to unionize. So the NCAA has screwed up so badly that it has 433 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:51.240 put the players in position where they have no motivation to do the thing that 434 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:57.079 would stop the chaos. Well, with that said, with the NCAA, 435 00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:00.680 is there a chance that they could just enough, we can go bankrupt, 436 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.279 or we can just say call it a day and change our name and do 437 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:11.839 something else. They can't do that because there are what a thousand schools in 438 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.559 the n double A, eleven hundred, Right, it's three divisions, and 439 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:22.680 the stuff that's happening that we're talking about affects us a small percentage of all 440 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:29.359 the athletes, right, I mean Division three tennis player is not impacted by 441 00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.799 any of this, but they still are part of the NCUBLEA. And that's 442 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:37.960 the root of the problem. Is the NCUBLEA is an association that is intending 443 00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:45.359 to fit the needs meet the needs of Alabama and also North Alabama, right, 444 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:52.920 and Georgia and the Citadel and Kansas State University. Right. So you 445 00:30:52.960 --> 00:31:00.519 can't there's no way that the NCAA can function properly with such a diverse membership, 446 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.759 and that's part of the reason we're in this position. Okay, I 447 00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:08.319 want to talk about football. So you know, so, as I said 448 00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:11.480 a minute ago, you know, okay, everyone's in the Big twelve. 449 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.240 Now let's talk Big Feuve football. You got you know, U c L 450 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.519 An USC there in the Big ten. Let's talk Big ten football. What 451 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.160 do you see happening with these schools, you know, the USC and U 452 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.160 c l A, Oregon, Washington. Are they going to be you know 453 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:26.759 how competitive you think they're going to be in the Big ten and then the 454 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.200 Big the team's going to the Big twelve. Where do some of those teams 455 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.240 stand? You know, who's got the best shot at you know, making 456 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:38.079 making an early impact. Well, I think if you're looking short term like 457 00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:42.440 this fall, you know, Oregon to me is right up there with Ohio 458 00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:49.359 State as Big Ten title contenders, playoff contender. I'm not sure about the 459 00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:55.119 rest of those schools. They've got some trouble, especially if USC doesn't figure 460 00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:59.799 out how to play defense. Longer term. Uh, you know, USC 461 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:04.240 got a chance, but I think UCLA is in Big trouble competitively in the 462 00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:08.720 Big ten, and I'm not sure how well Washington's gonna do. Big twelve. 463 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:12.880 I think, you know, Utah and Arizona is certainly set up to 464 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.359 do pretty well this season, But long term, how well do I think 465 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:19.200 they'll do. I don't know. I think Utah, as long as Kyle 466 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:22.440 Whittingham is there, they'll be real good. I'm not sure about the Wildcats 467 00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:29.640 in football least. The strength of the Big twelve is also the weakness of 468 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.400 the Big twelve, and that is parody. Right, It's going to be 469 00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:37.480 really competitive week to week. There's probably five or six teams that you could 470 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:44.279 make a case for as a preseason favorite, but there's also no there's no 471 00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:47.440 blue bloods that you're like, that's appointment TV. I have got to watch 472 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:53.400 that game unless you're a fan of the particular teams. So the parody will 473 00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:58.759 make for great games, but it also means I don't know that the Big 474 00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.440 twelve is really a serious can contender, for instance, for the national title. 475 00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:06.680 So you've been busy with a Pac twelve all these months and years, 476 00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.720 so now you'll be three times as busy with the other conferences pretty much. 477 00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:15.839 YEP, pretty much. I'm covering Big twelve, Big ten, TAC two, 478 00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:22.240 some acc But you know, again, a lot of the stuff that 479 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:28.480 happens has an impact on all the schools. They are in different conferences, 480 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:34.440 but they still share a lot of the same challenges, and you know, 481 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.160 competitively, they're still going to be playing each other. Like I mean, 482 00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:39.400 I think it's great Arizona and UCLA are going to play in basketball every year. 483 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:45.000 That's an important series for college basketball on the West coast, right and 484 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:50.119 hopefully there'll be other series like that. It'd be great, you know, 485 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.160 for them to find a way for a goof for instance, Utah and Oregon 486 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:57.559 football to play on a regular basis. So we'll see how it plays out. 487 00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.359 But it is certainly not boring, No, not boring. Well, 488 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:05.720 you know again, I can't wait for the football to really, you know, 489 00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:07.960 the conversation to really start on that and just all this ot of stuff, 490 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:12.760 whatever's going to happen it, just let it happen to me. Let's 491 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:14.679 get to the end of it so that we can move on. But I 492 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:19.719 know we're a long way from that. We are we are just all this 493 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.800 stuff is just the end of the beginning. Well, John This is the 494 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:25.719 end of This is the end of the show for us with you. Thanks, 495 00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:30.960 Thanks a bunch, John Sta stay is that fun because it's gonna being 496 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.840 right. Yeah, it's gonna be crazy. We'll do Thank a lot, 497 00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:37.320 guys. Thank you. John Wilner from the PAC twelve hotline. Good to 498 00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:38.599 talk to him. Get up to date with what's going on. We'll come 499 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:42.360 back and talk more of us. To take our break and we'll be right 500 00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.079 back. If you're an Arizona men's basketball fan, you know it's been successful 501 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:49.480 for nearly forty years. Now take a look back at the Ludelson era. 502 00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:52.119 In my new book, Lessons from Loot, It was a labor of love 503 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:54.599 through the eyes of twenty five former players, coaches, and friends to give 504 00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.920 insight to the coach and the man who led them, competed against them, 505 00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:02.159 and inspired them. Twenty five chapters for his twenty five years as Arizona's beloved 506 00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:07.119 coach. 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Honey? 523 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.679 I always think you're hot, but it's June and we all know it's 524 00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:24.360 going to get hot in Tucson. It doesn't have to be hot in our 525 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:28.960 house. Honey. You should call Picture Rocks cooly hitting them plummy. They 526 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.599 have the solutions for us for all your air condition needs all today by few 527 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:37.119 zero four nine two zero seven four eight, or visit us at Picture rockscool 528 00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:46.639 Mean dot com Rocks and Plumbing Stringy Live. Honey. I heard radio whaf 529 00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:52.679 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jaycobzalez on Fox Sports fourteen 530 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:57.239 fifteen. Hey, welcome back to Win on the Ball here Fox Sports fourteen 531 00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.679 fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, He's Jaging Sauace's got our guy Ryan in today. 532 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:05.039 I'm hoping that in an out burger calls us sin say they want a 533 00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:07.719 sports for a show. Hey, Andy, Eye on the Ball airson a 534 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:12.800 stadium there right, yeah, yeah, you know yeah, or just put 535 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:16.079 a logo out there. It's a lottery your picture and my picture on people 536 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:22.800 know never show up to the you know it's I've been thinking about the interview 537 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:28.719 with John Wilner. For those who didn't who missed with John was on the 538 00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:34.639 show for fifteen minutes there. It's depressing. Sometimes not he's not depressing, 539 00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:38.039 it's depressing that. And during the break, I was going back and look 540 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:44.960 at how long has this stuff been going on? NIL Transfer Portal, you 541 00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:46.840 know, the the all the relignment stuff that happened. This is going to 542 00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:52.639 be the fourth academic school year that we've been you know, the NAL started. 543 00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:59.320 NIL started officially July of twenty twenty one, so right after the independentive 544 00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.920 and that was all so when UH Oklahoma and Texas announced they're going to the 545 00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.480 SEC. So all this stuff that we're talking about now this is the fourth 546 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:13.039 season that we're that we're talking about it. I'm tired of it. So 547 00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.760 let me ask you. He was talking and we were asking the questions. 548 00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:20.559 I was thinking, so who are the winners? Who are the losers in 549 00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:23.599 this? And who are the winners? And depends on what your answer. 550 00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:27.960 I don't think we I st don't think we know, right. I think 551 00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:30.400 I think, you know, some of the winners are going to be the 552 00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:36.039 schools in the Big Big ten and SEC making a bunch of money. Right, 553 00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.280 But in the end, you know, are they going to have are 554 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:42.199 they going to lose sports too? Right? Are they making enough money that 555 00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.079 they're not going to lose. Uh, you know some of the some of 556 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.320 the sports that don't bring in money. So let me this is why I 557 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:52.000 asked the question. I don't know because who knows how much money people have 558 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:53.360 and when will it run out? And we talk about that all the time. 559 00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:57.360 Your dad, you're kind of the Big twelve or or you're you're an 560 00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:01.239 institution. I think the winners clearly are the students and how they get right 561 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:05.360 there the students. Okay, so you have a family. I have a 562 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:07.719 family, we have kids. We want to take them to vacation. I 563 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:09.639 kind of bring up this analogy all the time. But you don't have the 564 00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:14.320 money to go on on this trip, and who's gonna be Who's gonna be 565 00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.480 the one that fault for that? The kids don't give a crap about they're 566 00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:21.440 not They give a crap that they're not going, but they don't they look 567 00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:24.079 at you and say, Dad can't provide for us to go to this thing? 568 00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:28.480 You're you're the bad guy. Yeah, because how much money do you 569 00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:30.920 have to support all this stuff? There's only a certain amount of money. 570 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:35.360 And Steve, it's really when you think about that, it may be just 571 00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.360 a small percentage of the athletes because you're gonna get right. You know, 572 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:42.320 the football and basketball players are going to make hundreds of thousands of dollars and 573 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:47.760 already are right. But the tennis player, the volleyball player, the Olympic 574 00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:52.239 swimmer, Dude, we're not getting anything, and from year to year is 575 00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:55.000 not going to know if their support is going to be around. We had 576 00:39:55.039 --> 00:40:01.880 this example last year at this time when Delaneys smell and were the well in 577 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:06.199 our eyes, were the face of the program because of what they did all 578 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:12.000 year and we're fantastic and what they tell us. Yeah, I'm getting my 579 00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.320 name on a sports bottle, but that's about it. You know, No, 580 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:20.280 I and and and I think I think one big loser is the fans 581 00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:27.639 because of because of how athletics and I understand it had to change because and 582 00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.559 it should have changed a long time ago to give the athletes more of a 583 00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:32.559 piece of the pie. And had they done that, maybe we're not in 584 00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:37.320 the position that we're in. But you know, for those of us who 585 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:43.440 grew up with amateur athletics being you know, college athletics being amateur athletics, 586 00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:46.679 we're the ones losing because we've lost one, those of us who live here, 587 00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:50.639 we've lost our conference. Right, we're in the Big twelve. We're 588 00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:58.159 going to Waco and and Lubbock instead of LA and San Francisco and and and 589 00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:02.800 the history of you know, the of college athletics, particularly football, that's 590 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:07.320 meant so much to us is gone. Yeah. Well the good days are 591 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.320 gone. So we've lost. So we're losers. We're big losers in this. 592 00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:14.519 Yeah. It's and I think, you know, I think some of 593 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:19.079 the smaller schools, how is the Division two school gonna pay pay pay its 594 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:21.840 athletes? They're not, well, they're not going to I don't think right. 595 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:24.199 They're all in cua A schools. They're all they don't fall under the 596 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:28.400 talking about the division too. And but they're gonna have to make some special 597 00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:30.159 rules to deal with you. Yeah, I don't have good luck with that 598 00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:34.199 because they ain't gonna happen. I mean, there's a thousand schools, Steve, 599 00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:38.280 there's it's not there's no way we're gonna there's no way. I know, 600 00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:42.079 we talked about the wild, wild West. There's only a certain amount 601 00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:44.840 of money in your wallet to spend. And they ain't gonna go that far. 602 00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.639 It just in the real world, it's just doesn't work the right right, 603 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.679 And then again that and then the fans, not only I mean Steve, 604 00:41:52.760 --> 00:42:00.760 I'm look, why why you can NBA teams, NFL l be pay 605 00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:06.159 their players what they pay fans. The tickets tickets have skyrocket. I mean, 606 00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:08.360 they're making a lot of money off TV, but you can't go to 607 00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:13.199 a you can't go to a major league sport for twenty bucks anymore. No, 608 00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.079 right, get the food right, and so all that costs so much 609 00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:20.280 more. And guess what the fans have put up with it? Sure, 610 00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:23.480 and you feel like how how that's good? That's going to have to happen 611 00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:28.679 in college. But the question is college fan is different from NFL fans, 612 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.639 right. NFL fan is going to die for their team, and if it 613 00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:35.800 means I gotta go, I gotta pay one hundred dollars for a ticket instead 614 00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:37.199 of forty dollars per ticket, I'm gonna pay that, and you want I'm 615 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:42.039 still gonna buy the two hundred dollars jersey. I'm still gonna buy the twenty 616 00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.400 five dollars beer. But I don't know if college fan is going to do 617 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:49.039 that. Well, where do you live. Where do you live? So? 618 00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.880 Yeah? Yeah, t Sons. Can t Sons afford that? Yeah? 619 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:57.880 No? I mean you know there has to be a ten dollars ticket. 620 00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.719 Yeah, if you want them in the seats, they can get a 621 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:05.880 beer or a Nacho's because that's included in the price. Good luck with that. 622 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.159 Because remember we talked about this when it started in twenty one and he 623 00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:13.119 said, where would you rather be in LA or San Francisco as a student 624 00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.800 athlete or in college town? US say, I sent college town because they'll 625 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.239 love you, and big towns we're not gonna know. You don't even know 626 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:21.920 who you are. No, I don't know anymore because it's just become a 627 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.599 big, big money fest. Yeah. And and people still in LA have 628 00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:27.719 the money, but are they going to spend it in college? Right? 629 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.679 And that and that's the discussion we had where in Tucson, you're gonna spend 630 00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:35.960 your money on the U of A. In La, you got usc you 631 00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:37.079 got U c l A, you got the Lakers, you got you know, 632 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:39.400 all the all the proteins. Where's your money going to go? And 633 00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:44.840 look at UCLA. They're struggling big TI because who cares? Right? I 634 00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:46.440 mean they Yeah, I mean, nobody's going to their games. And Tucson 635 00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:50.719 as nice as I think it is, and you love it, you've never 636 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:53.719 left, and in your roots are entrenched here. It's not a it's not 637 00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:58.079 a wealthy town. No, it's not. We know that. We know 638 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:00.800 that and and and that and that therein is the struggle. And that's why 639 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:05.920 I think we as fans are are the ones that are losing in this because 640 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:10.920 you know, there's a better chance that Arizona's going to be less competitive because 641 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:15.440 the finances then more competitive because of finances. Right, if you say you 642 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.599 know which direction is Arizona going to go, You're gonna say, God, 643 00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:21.960 you know, I don't know how they're going to keep up, as opposed 644 00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:23.039 to say, oh, yeah we got this, you know we got they'll 645 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.559 have they'll have the money all along, and I just don't. I don't 646 00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:31.199 know that they're going to ever. So somebody just texted me about back in 647 00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:36.960 the day, what would Sean Elliott get this now? Now? Can you 648 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:42.280 imagine I would say I have a mill at least or he would leave or 649 00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:45.280 he could go, yeah he would leave, hell go to what Kansas? 650 00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:49.800 Maybe they've got the money there or or again. We talked about this with 651 00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:54.719 Wickery yesterday or somebody maybe this week Wickery, I mean, yeah, I 652 00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:59.880 have choices, guys. Yeah, pay me now or I'm gone, Yeah, 653 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.119 exactly. And that's and that's how and that's the way it's gonna be 654 00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:07.199 from now on. And that's another sad truth. I think if we had 655 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.199 a chance to ask Caleb Love this, because he had few options, he 656 00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:14.360 could have gone to another school, right, finish one somewhere else and middle 657 00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:16.360 thirty years guy, blah blah blah, come back and get paid wherever you're 658 00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:20.800 gonna get paid. NBA was not an option, right, maybe the G 659 00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:25.039 League was, or Europe or whatever. So you have options, but sometimes 660 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.480 you don't have all the best options. Yeah, yeah. Or you see 661 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.440 other you see other guys who you think you're better than, who have better 662 00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:36.960 options? Why him and not me? Right? And now you're better or 663 00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:39.000 whatever? And me? And how does that plan? How you how you 664 00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:45.039 do things? Not to say that students student athletes don't have conscious consciousness, 665 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:52.000 but but do you think they care about what about about what's happening? Uh, 666 00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:58.039 what's happening to the whole totality of it? To hold the different thing 667 00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:00.760 you know what I'm saying, I do, because because if you don't got 668 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:05.280 it and they're getting it, how do you feel. I think a good 669 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:09.239 chunk of them, a really good chunk of them, don't care. As 670 00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:13.440 long as they get there. That's that's what the That's what my answer would 671 00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:15.440 have been. Yeah, but I think, I think, but I do 672 00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:20.960 think there are some who are hope, you know, hoping for the best, 673 00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:23.280 but they still want to get there. No, yeah, no, 674 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:27.199 that's the answer. I could be wrong, you could be wrong, but 675 00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:30.159 I don't think so. You know, what doesn't affect them, It doesn't 676 00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:34.719 affect them until it does when the check said, well, sorry, we're 677 00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.119 not going to give you any more. What what the hell? What the 678 00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:42.239 hell? You know? And and I mean it's going to become more and 679 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.800 more doggy dog you know, we're talking about, you know, coaches yesterday. 680 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:51.199 How many coaches who complain about the transfer portal are not complaining when a 681 00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:54.599 guy that they want to leave leaves and opens up, you know, opens 682 00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:59.199 up a spot for them to go get somebody else that can that can play. 683 00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:02.599 So there's two sides to all of it. And I think there's two 684 00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:06.440 sides of it to the players. There's some players to say, yeah, 685 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:12.000 I hate this, but I'm not gonna not cash that Jack. Yeah no, 686 00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:15.639 no, I hear you. Why would they because it doesn't affect them 687 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:20.719 because they're getting paid. Yeah. Yeah, it's and seeing that all of 688 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:23.719 that steve all of that all this time, the last ten minutes that we've 689 00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:29.360 been talking here, none of it's been about being on the field. Yeah, 690 00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:30.679 none of it's been about who do you think is going to win the 691 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:35.199 Big Twelve? What are Arizona's chances? You know, what do they have 692 00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:38.960 to do to be You know, it's all about being competitive, But because 693 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:44.199 of money and transfer, portal and all these things, it's not about do 694 00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:45.079 you have a good quarterback? Do you have a good running back? Do 695 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.599 you have a good wide receiver? You know, there's always more to the 696 00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:52.159 story, right, I would be curious to know just out of curiosity. 697 00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:55.000 Is not for anything else. If you get twenty five ads in a room, 698 00:47:55.320 --> 00:48:00.440 what do they really talk about? See? This sucks? Honestly, 699 00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:04.000 you know that they're they're saying Publicly, they're saying all the right things, 700 00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.840 right, Yeah, we're trying hard, But in that room, they're saying 701 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:09.719 what you are saying up here, you know we should ask Dave Ikey that 702 00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:14.719 since he's not an e FLEC direcord Dave, what's what you know? What 703 00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:16.400 what's the fly on the wall hearing? Because yeah, you know, it'd 704 00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:19.960 be interesting to see all the pe probab wouldn't tell us because he probably wants 705 00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.280 another eighty job. But you know what I'm saying, I do know, 706 00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:24.239 I do know exactly what you're saying, Steve, this is crazy. He 707 00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:29.480 didn't sign up for this. Nobody signed up for this. Nobody signed up 708 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:31.440 for this. Well, I take it back. The athletes are coming out 709 00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:36.039 of high school right now or signing up for this question, and their parents 710 00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.400 are signing up. Jimmy, you better go out and practice. You want 711 00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:40.679 to get your butte out there and catch the ground balls because you got to 712 00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:45.760 make us some money. But what there's there is another layer of this, 713 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:49.000 Steve. What kind of pressure are parents putting on their kids and they say, 714 00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:51.519 hey, my kid's really good. He you know, he's not only 715 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:52.480 going to get a scholarship, he's going to make some money. Well, 716 00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:57.079 and what kind of pressure you know? We see the pressure already with all 717 00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:59.280 the club club sports, no, no, no, I want you to 718 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.920 repeat that that story. Uh you've said it a few times, the volleyball 719 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:07.079 story where the girls and the ladies are behind behind you softball, so whatever 720 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:09.519 was? Yeah, Yeah, I was. I was a club softball game. 721 00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:15.000 And and and my daughter is playing in this she was she was going 722 00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:20.960 to be a senior in we're talking but these these these players were probably sophomores 723 00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:23.679 and junior in high school. My daughter was the old lady of the marginal 724 00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:27.360 players. Yeah, well, we go to this tournament and it's her it's 725 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.679 their first club tournament. So I think I think we're in pressed the flag 726 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:32.280 staff for Prescott. I can't tell the difference between the two. So where 727 00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:35.920 and and yeah, and these and these two moms are sitting behind us talking 728 00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:37.239 about, you know, whether the girl is going to go go to a 729 00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:43.159 s u or or Arizona. And they're in the game that my daughter is 730 00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:46.440 playing in, and I'm like, I haven't seen one player on this field. 731 00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:49.440 You know, I didn't say it, but I said, I haven't 732 00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:52.519 seen one player in this field who can play not only at who can play 733 00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:54.320 not only at Arizona, but not even Pima. I said, on top 734 00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:58.239 of that, my daughter is better than all your girl, all the girls. 735 00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:00.320 My daughter is one of the best players out there and she's just playing 736 00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:04.679 so she can get to it into a Division II school. So you know, 737 00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:06.360 these parents are back there saying, oh, yeah, you know, 738 00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:07.840 you know a s U and and you know, and I'm like, no, 739 00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:15.480 no, that's no. It was funny as hell. I wanted to 740 00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:17.360 I really really wanted to turn around and say, you know what, I 741 00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:21.159 don't know who your girls are, but they're not going to a SU in 742 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.400 Arizona. They're not. Just get rid of that right now. Any girl 743 00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:29.840 who's at this age, any girl who can go to a s U or 744 00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:34.360 Arizona is really damn good, I said. And my daughter's better than you're. 745 00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:37.559 I'm probably playing for a better team, right right. Yeah, No, 746 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:40.280 it's it's what the world we live in today. But I don't I 747 00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:44.719 don't endy the A D S or whatever. The good old days are long 748 00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.800 gone because now you have to think, well, the thing is back in 749 00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:51.920 the that you wondered if they on the take, Well, no, you 750 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:53.599 don't have to worry about everybody. If you're not on the take, then 751 00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:58.840 you're not doing your job, right everybody. Yeah, it's just you know, 752 00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:01.519 it's again, I'm a little depressed today after the talk with John. 753 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:06.559 Well, I'll get you more depressed because we've been depressed for a long time. 754 00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:08.920 I think it started or maybe realized that when the DA came on the 755 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:13.199 show. It says, uh, one hundred and fifty thousand, and that's 756 00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:16.039 not even anything. Yeah, but competing to people who have two million, 757 00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:21.559 Yeah, yeah, there's some there's some women's basketball players who are getting that 758 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:23.239 and more. And then that's how much you got for your whole team. 759 00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:29.239 How are you gonna do that, Steve, You're depressing me more. You 760 00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:32.960 keep you keep, you keep digging this hole and it keeps well falling in. 761 00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.840 I have nothing to fill that hole with. Yeah, it is. 762 00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:43.000 It's and and again I want to I mean, as John said, we're 763 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:46.599 a long way from all this being reason there's so many issues, and they're 764 00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:51.000 they're long, they're going to take a long time to settle, and so 765 00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:52.440 we're gonna be talking about this for a long time. And sure, well, 766 00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:57.639 unfortunately in the summertime, like now, everything else takes the back seat. 767 00:51:57.840 --> 00:51:59.920 And I totally agree with them. There's gonna be a lawsuit of the 768 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:04.400 title line situation, because guarantee you have girls who played. I have guys 769 00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.519 that sons that played. H and what about me? What about the girls? 770 00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:12.280 And you said, you said a million times they all worked just as 771 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.760 hard as the others. The volleyball players working just as hard as the football 772 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:17.719 player, right, don't they? Yeah? Yeah, and now you tell 773 00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:22.840 them you don't. Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly. Okay, oh man's 774 00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:27.400 Steve, see, you brought me down some more? How could you be 775 00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:31.000 down some more? Your Dodgers lost? I can't I dug a hole you 776 00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:34.840 started, You brought it down at the very beginning. All right, let's 777 00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:37.599 get the heck out of here. We're gonna come back. Ryan's gonna be 778 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:37.880 here with breaking news. Chick around