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like you yeah, yea olly twenty
second day of September. That's like two

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eleven's put together. There you go. Allegedly according to that thing we call

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a calendar, it is indeed the
twenty twenty three year. Also anyway,

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o'chelly Effect live on a Friday night, I am not feeling my normal self.

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I just actually had a headache,
tried to lay down for a minute.

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And you can probably tell from that
odd tightness in my voice. I've

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got that I just woke up kind
of sound in my voice. It's a

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little deeper, it's a little more
raspy than usual. Anyway, doesn't matter,

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because I think I'm not going to
get much in to say tonight,

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Uh an impromptu plan? Why not
pull it together? So I am going

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to take calls at some point,
and I'm already taking some calls and looks

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like I've got the two callers that
I need for what's going to happen.

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So we're gonna put off bringing in
other callers momentarily. Why I got something

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to build with my co host be
Pete here on this Friday night. It

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is the open mic, but we
might have to dedicate it to trying to

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solve a bit of a dispute that
occurred in the chat room. So why

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not. I I always get that
Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome kind of remember that

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movie with Tina Turner be Pete Thunderdome, Thunderdome, you know, bust a

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deal, face the Wheel. She
said, I'll tell you what, though,

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you have to admit Tina Turner look
good at that age. She was

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well preserved. I know there was
some makeup involved there. But when I

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was in Switzerland, she was in
Switzerland, and I forget where she appeared

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her in something. Anyway, the
magazine or the newspaper that I saw the

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next couple of days, she got
rest of her soul. She looked good

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for a woman her age, you
know. And I heard that back then.

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I heard that all the time about
her. Look at these those incredible

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legs, this and that, and
you know, Tina talented singer, interesting

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performer. I never got the whole
sexy Tina Turner thing. I'm a weirdo,

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I know, I just never got
into it. Well, there was

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that brief time there where she had
a couple of hits top forty, So

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you're talking about about that time.
But she she pulled it off. I

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gotta give her that, man,
she pulled it off for a warmer of

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her age. No, she definitely
had something going there. I mean enough

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that weirdly, Mick Jagger did a
whole thing with her, you know,

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live aid there was this whole like
them too, like dry humping on stage.

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I guess that was that was eighty
five. Funny thing is I barely

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remember that, uh, and I
was there, so did they do that

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at Wembley? That might have been
on the big screen, which you know,

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I don't know if anybody ever told
you this that was there, but

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the big screen went out a couple
of times. Anyway, it doesn't matter

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who cares. We're not doing my
memories tonight. Guess what we are going

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to do. Apparently Vance and Jimmy
James, two regular callers to the Friday

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night show, had a bit of
a problem with one another in the chat

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room. So I think it was
Vance sent me a message like he wanted

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to, uh, you know,
have a talk with Jimmy James, just

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be able to talk to him because
I bought was something about the chat room

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and I said, Oh, I
wasn't looking at the chat room on Thursday

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night when I had Mike Swanson on, which you know, usually there's not

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massive I don't know controversy, controversy
in the chat room with Swanson, you

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know, So I was like,
what did we do there? Did we

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bring up politics? I didn't think
we brought up politics. We talked about

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the comments section. Now people are
stupid and don't know anything and jump in

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on the comments section, and we
did that, but I don't remember anyway,

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whatever it was, it was somehow
they got into it. I didn't

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even read all the whole thing.
I just looked back and said, Okay,

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I see they're they're kind of sniping
at each other. It's not a

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happy thing. So apparently we need
to have this little back and forth between

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them. And certainly I don't want
to just turn the two phone lines loose

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and let it go, at least
not to begin with, because if I

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do that, I think it'll just
get messy. And you know, Jimmy

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James usually takes a minute to get
roll in anyway, so in total fairness

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to him, and usually Vance takes
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And once Vance is rolling, vance
is rolling. I don't know. I

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think we need to get their points
of view and control the phone calls for

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a minute until we do let them
loose at each other. And I don't

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know how many minutes. I'm thinking
about timing it and regulating this, and

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this would be both of our jobs
tonight, be PETE for at least part

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of the show, not the whole
thing necessarily, but to the show.

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What do you think as BPT bailed
out on me already. Oh no,

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I hadn't needed I had to call. It's okay, it's okay. It's

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like, okay, there's my answer. I'm gone, I'm out. So

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you know, we can we can
regulate, fact check and censor and do

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all those things, you know,
because it's yeah, look, I don't

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I don't want to censor anybody,
you know, if they have things to

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say, I'd like them to have
a productive conversation. I can't force it,

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but I mean I can force them
to take turns. I can't really

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force any I would never even try
to force don't say this, don't say

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that. I wouldn't do that.
I think we should let them make their

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point, explain what the what the
conflict is each of them to begin with,

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and then let them trade for I
don't know, maybe we could go

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with the five minute time periods and
let him go back and forth and this

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could easily kill an hour, no
problem. But and that's why I haven't

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given out the phone numbers, so
you know by the phone numbers there's only

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one three one nine five two seven
five zero one six that's the number to

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call. But you could be on
hould through this and I don't know,

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it could blow up right away and
be a'll waste the time. Somebody could

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hang up, give up. I
don't know. I'm letting them sit there

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and think about what it is they're
gonna say right at this moment. But

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we're gonna bring them on real quick
here. And I think we should just

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choose one of them to lay out
what the problem is and then bring the

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other guy on after separate from him
uninterrupted, give him two minutes each explain

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what the conflict is and uh,
and then we should just start letting them

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take turns. Does that sound like
a fair template to you, Yeah,

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it sounds good. I can tell
you your enthusiast with like any personal problems

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analyzed or well, if they do
any kind of advice for life. Yeah,

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we can. We can provide that. Listen, life and love advice

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all over the place. I just
won't do finances or medicine because you can

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get in a lot of trouble for
that. But life and love advice,

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I think you're allowed to. You
know, you can tell people to ruin

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their lives and give them relationship advice
and nobody sues you. But you tell

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them about what to do with financial
advice? Oh no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no
no no, I'll take care of

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it. Okay, let's see tan
pans right pocket. Yep, I'll put

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it right there. Listen. If
that's where you're going with this, that's

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one thing. And you know,
look, you're you're grown people. You

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can do the Captain Kangaroo thing,
you know, send me your dollars.

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Well, I'm not scamming anybody,
because I mean, yeah, I'll tell

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them right up front, it's not
a scam. I'm just telling you send

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me your money. If you send
me your money. I did exactly what

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I said I was going to do
right here, and he's ten pants in

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this right hand pocket. Well,
listen, if I tell you that I'm

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going to take your money and if
you send it to me, if you

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send it to me, you knew
what I was gonna do with it.

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Okay, look, I feel that's
fair enough. That's why I never feel

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its. People tell me to feel
bad for these people that like sink all

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kinds of money into televangelists, and
I go, why that that is what

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the person willfully did based on the
performance given by the guy they decided to

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send it to that particular guy.
Why do I feel bad for them?

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They weren't, you know? But
there's no you gotta there's a few of

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them out there though that you know. They're promoting this prosperity gospel where they

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say, if you sow your seeds
with me, it will come back ten

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fold and graph like that, and
those are ones that are causing problems.

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Peter popop isn't Larry go to pick
a pass or always look for steak bike

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marks on their hands. Okay,
look fair enough. But Peter Popov is

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hilarious though. Just just look call
us up. We'll send you this free

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bag of water and you'll start getting
and checks in the mail. I don't

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know how that works, but people, and then he's got people on there

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I got the water, I drank
the miracle water, and the next thing

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I knew I had a ten thousand
dollar check. I had a twenty thousand

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dollar check. I had a check
enough to buy a house. I don't

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know how it works, I really
don't. I kind of am tempted to

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call every time I see it,
Like I'm even a try. I'll drink

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a bag of water. Why not? But anyway, all right, enough

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out of me, So I say, we pick one of these guys.

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How could we pick it? You
have a way in which because I don't.

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I don't want to be biased in
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I want to give him each equal
time. I don't want to even take

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a side here. Uh nothing.
I'm thinking we should be totally neutral.

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You know, obviously you guys can't
threaten each other. Please, but uh

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but that's it. Don't break any
laws, okay, the normal legal problems

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with communication. You can't threaten each
other. And yeah, it's about it.

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You can't threaten each other, all
right, So you know, you

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can call each other names. I
don't think it's productive. You can call

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each other names. You can accuse
one another of being under certain spells,

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mind controls, if you like,
you can accuse each other of having certain

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IQ scores if you want. You
can use descriptive words, scientific ones.

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Indeed, idiot moron were scientifically ascribed
words. They had particular test scores that

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were given. You know, with
your IQ tests and all that, you

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could do all that, but I
wouldn't advise it. I would advise you,

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guys make your points, and you
make them cleanly. So what should

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I do? Should I pick the
guy that I'll tell you what. I'll

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make it this easy. You'll tell
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in. I'll take a look at
who's been on hold the longest because one

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of them called in after the other, And whichever one should I take the

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first or the last and let him
go first? As far as explain to

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me what the hell the problem is
here, and explain to the audience what

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do you think BP first or last? Because you can't say, yeah,

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I go, I just go with
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this condition of thunder do right,
Well, you do have to decide who

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you're going to introduce first, right, I mean, you tie the two

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guys to things at the same time. But anyway, a little tidbit,

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just a little tidbit, just a
little nugget for you to gnaw on later

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on Thunderdome. Earlier, I look
up a list. Did you know that

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Jeff Beck played on two of Tina
Turners releases? I never knew that?

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And Private Dancer, which is one
of her biggest hits, was written by

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Mark Knoffler Dire Straits. You know, I seem to recall that Mark Knopfler

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fact from somewhere. I did not
know that, and I'm a huge Mark

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Knopfler fan. I never knew he
wrote that. I was amazed. Mark

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Knopfler wrote a bunch of interesting songs. He was quite a prolific song writer,

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and he sold quite a few.
And Jeff Beck was at one point

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playing like on everybody's studio stuff.
You know, remember that whole Honey Drippers

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thing they did for a bit with
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from Lifted Riffs and uh, you
know and all that. Well, you

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know, they were doing the whole
fifties deal and uh they did what was

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it, uh Sea of Love.
They did the cover of that old song,

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and then they did uh Rocking at
Midnight I think was the flip side

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of that single. And that was
that. And when when Robert Plant did

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his solo tour, I think the
Honey Drippers came out and did like a

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mini set and sometimes they were joined
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a bunch of things long ago.
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a couple of months ago. I
think it was back right, check yes,

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yeah, check on that. I
don't January this year, January right

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right, I don't remember what month. Yeah, okay, cool, Jimmy,

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Okay, So so we'll start introductions
and we'll get this show on the

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road. That's what we're gonna do. Let's get to it. And look,

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it's gonna be Jimmy. James called
in first, so I'm gonna go

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to him on the line, and
Jimmy, what it is very simple.

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I want you to explain in two
minutes, please, what the controversy was.

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If you don't need the whole two
minutes, that's fine too, and

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uh, and then I'm gonna put
you back on hold, and I'll bring

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Vans on and see if he's got
a different explanation as to what the problem

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was. And uh, then we're
gonna go from there. But be Pete

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selected the order based on something that
he had no way to see, so

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he did a blind selection and has
decided that Jimmy James will get the first

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word to explain what the problem was. Loops, Wait a minute, wait,

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wait, hold on, all right, one second. Something control just

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went weird. I think I have
Jimmy James on the line. Now,

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Okay, what are you there?
Yeah, Jimmy, I'm here. Okay,

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you can hear us and everything?
Right, yeah, can you guys

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hear me? All right? Yes, now we do. Sorry, I

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hit, I hit a control.
I never hit on the board. It

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was a mistake. So but anyway, go right ahead and tell us what

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the controversy was last night in the
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no real controversy, and there's there's
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Advanced. We're merely discussing the merit
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my understanding what we'll be discussing this
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go to Vance first, because jee
bro an arch So let him say what

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he believes, and I have an
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Bill of Rights as superior to an
archy, to say the least. But

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let him praise it the way he
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so that's what I'll do. I'll
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reserve your two minutes in case I
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now to that general idea, and
I'll go to Vance. So I'm gonna

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say that we didn't use Jimmy James's
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back over to Vance. So that
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And okay, so I will just
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explain what the issue was, or
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lay out what Jimmy James said,
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look this is about anarchy, and
you can open the discussion with it,

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I guess. And then after that, I don't know, maybe we should

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go for three I think three minutes
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back and forth. It might make
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you what do you say to that? Yeah, I'll have to agree with

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you. There may make it more
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Van's go go right ahead, and
I think we're gonna go with a three

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minute time limit on each one of
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your clock, even though I did
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and lay it out for us,
give us the opening, and then we'll

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decide where we go from there.
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There's it's not really like give us
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type thing. But you know,
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in the past, is several times
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to debate that, and you know, and it came up about the anarchy

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and it was Reagan and you know, and obviously me and Jimmy have a

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little bit of different you know,
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reality of the system quote unquote that
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different, et cetera. And as
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I guess it was that he was
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Republican or you know, that he
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of the defense and libertarian and a
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then as Chuck pointed out, it's
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you know you say that, but
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that this is my perception to Jimmy. So I'm I'm not you know this,

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uh you know that's what you prove, you know, portrayed basically is

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that you know, bart right Neokahn
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you and then he calls out anarchy. And then the chat he said something

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about uh, I said, bemb
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to the Congo, the bastion of
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just you know, that's just silly. You know, I don't even understand

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how you can you know, you
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anarchy and and uh so that's what
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know, this debate or whatever and
the argument in the chat or whatever.

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even made the comments like you don't
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and anarchy doesn't mean chaos and you
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know, uh, no consequences and
and and and you know that that is

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you know the real definition is to
be without rule. Okay, the Constitution,

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the Bill of Rights, the first
mini sect that those are all anarchists

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principles, that that's set up on
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I have certain an ablable rights that
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can take from me. And obviously
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it just shows that you know that
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and that I'm not phrasing this right, but that is the basic intent,

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you know, that that they were
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was to to uh make sure that
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the time, that could you know, force its will and except etc.

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And so the whole colonists thing and
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and and you know, in that
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into what it means now. But
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philosophy that would be involved in any
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the non aggression principle. Okay,
and that is I can't force you and

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okay, and let Jimmy respond it, right, So what I'm gonna do

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is put you on hold now.
And here's the thing. We're gonna go

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back over to Jimmy. But I'm
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if you don't mind, be Pete. Uh, well, you've been a

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little slow to the mic. So
are you? Are you with me?

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Yeah? I'm here, Okay,
here a couple of things here. I

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think we need to pull up.
I sent you a link to a concept

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and maybe maybe you could read it
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but after I take care of something
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it. I had it up.
Let me pull it back up if you

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wouldn't mind, because I think this
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Pete is gonna help me out with
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commentary in. But in a minute, now, let's see where you're going

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first, before you'll you'll jump into
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because you're irritated with me or you
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jump in on this, So I'm
I am puppeteering this situation a bit.

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I gotta have my fund sometimes,
Be Pete. Look, everybody else tries

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to push me around and do stuff. I kinda every once in a while,

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I gotta go look, let me
let me try and orchestrate this a

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little bit. Get that back up, because this will be relevant and you

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can help me out. All right, What I here is a problem between

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two different textbook definitions, all right, and I go to look it,

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just just go to your stupid general
everything powered by Google search engine. Right,

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even if you're not trying to use
Google, you somehow cross Google pretty

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much. I know. Some people
tell me use this one, use that

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one, and I do, but
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of thing, unless you're looking for
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ask for a definition on the Internet, it'll generally pull up something like dictionary,

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dot org or whatever. All right, And the thing that pulls up

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without me even having to go to
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definition, right. The Google machine
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engine. I forget the name of
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I got I got my Google one
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because it came out the same way
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just go for the word an archy, they give me the little circle with

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a the old punk rock looking symbol. Right, that's that's the image,

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and the dictionary definition if I can
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Jimmy James goes with definition number one
on the list, which is a state

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of disorder due to absence or non
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So to Jimmy James, anarchy is
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definition number one. Now it's interesting
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a dictionary is always funny to me
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because, after all, diction is
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it primarily shows you how to say
it right. It shows you how to

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split up the word exactly phonetically,
how to do that. It's because it's

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meant to show you diction. The
definitions are incidental. And yet people think

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of a dictionary in fact as they
to go to for a definition. They're

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just explaining what the word is so
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they're still trying to teach you how
to speak it. That's what a dictionary

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is actually for. Anyway, BP, you can disagree with me when I'm

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done, if you want. I
don't think you will, okay. Definition

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number two, though, in the
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on the basis of voluntary cooperation without
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that does not say that there is
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that there is disorder in and of
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does not imply that there is any
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now, it's just definition number one, definition number two, and they are

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used in changeably. Look, the
English language is a funny thing, and

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also people's points of view is a
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me Pete to pull up this this
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him just before the show, because
not because I knew it would come up

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here, but because it keeps coming
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Pete, would you mind providing a
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this rather interesting concept that I had
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and I was reading something at just
a sub reference this, and I went,

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you know, this is becoming more
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is a default for a lot of
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particular theatrical narrative device that was demonstrated
at some point in a piece of content,

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you know, almost seventy five years
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this term, this idea that has
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like you know and I lately you
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in several places about how people only
want to hear what it is that they

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have in their minds. They want
to hear. They don't search out new

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information. They they're pissed if you
don't tell them what they already believe.

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When you show up at somebody's place
where they put out their content, their

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YouTube channel, their conference, anything, tell me what I want to hear,

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otherwise I'm going to react negatively to
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the general public. And there might
be a good reason why be Pete,

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would you mind reading off the definition
from that Wikipedia thing that say you please

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no, not at all, And
I'd like to come back to this this

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anarchy definition as well. But yeah, we'll let Jimmy James answer this.

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What we're gonna do is we're gonna
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answer, and later on you and
I are going to have space for commentary,

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because I think we're gonna have to
give these guys a rest at a

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certain point, so we're gonna we're
gonna start getting them to trade. Next.

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I want you to come in and
fill in some blanks because I think

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it'll be more relevant and more interesting
as this conversation evolves. Maybe, so

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let's let's do it that way.
And yeah, go ahead and get into

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this, because this is great,
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is just what's been on my mind
lately, so I appreciate you doing this

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good. It's called the Raschman Rascheman
effect, and it it's named after Akira

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Kuasala's film Russiman, in which a
murder is described in four contradictory ways by

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four witnesses. The term addresses the
motives and mechanisms and occurrences of the reporting

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on the circumstance, and addresses contested
interpretations of events, the existence of disagreements

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regarding the events, the evidence of
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human perception, memory and reporting.
And they've gone on to they've gone on

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to explain how this is taking effect
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when this came out and there was
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Supreme Court case of the Australian Institute
for Progress Limited and the Electoral Commission of

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Queenland's and Oors number two. Applegarth
JA wrote that the Rashmont effect describes how

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parties describe an event in a different
and contradictory manner, which reflects their subjective

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interpretation and self interested advocacy rather than
an objective truth. The ration moon effect

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is evident when the event is the
outcome of litigation. One should not be

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surprised when both parties claim to have
won the case. The vagarities of memory

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and how they depend on one's own
identity and interest was carried on as a

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theme in a Polish film where a
survivor of Auschwitz in a guard described differently

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the events that happened in that concentration
camp. So it basically is stating that

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when we have a debate or discussion, or we're looking at a certain topic,

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our self perceived not well. Yeah, biases will affect how we see

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something. And it's just a way
of explaining how you can have four witnesses

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to a murder describe four entirely different
things, but yet they're all describing the

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same thing, the same event.
It's the same event, but the description

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can vary because of the personal viewpoints
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That's the thing that I always run
into with the JFK case, right where

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it's like, yeah, but this
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guy said that, And it's like, well, here's the problem from their

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points of view, I mean,
except in the obvious cases, right,

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you know, from their points of
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is the way they see it,
and it does kind of thing. It's

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like, it's much like the old
Four Blind Men and the elephant, and

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they're each touching a different part of
the elephant. They're describing a different animal,

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and yet they're all describing the same
animal. Right. Well, it's

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huge, Yes, it is huge. That's their key point. This thing

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is huge as it is. You
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a lot of it. Okay,
it's huge. It's got a lot of

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leathery skin. But that doesn't really
help me with what it really is.

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None of them are going to tell
you what color it is, you know.

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going to describe whatever part it is

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their touch. I think one had
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you know. But it happens a
lot in life if you think about

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it. We think every murder case
where you had three or four our witnesses,

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right, And there's a limitation sometimes
because like you said, look,

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if you only have a hold of
the tail, you only know the tail,

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that's fine. There's a limitation on
what it is you're able to view.

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00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.160
And then there is a secondary filter
that it goes through, which has

409
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:32.079
to do with the individual. So
indeed, either one of these guys on

410
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:40.640
this call tonight could be insistent upon
guess what not recognizing dictionary definition one or

411
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:44.000
two, depending on which one we're
talking to, see what I mean.

412
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.720
But that's a problem with with those
two definitions. They don't show how they're

413
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.519
linked, you know, and their
contramate two declaratory statements. You know,

414
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.720
to me they contradict the other.
Now to me, well contradict one another.

415
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.240
And now they may not to you, but to me they contradict one

416
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.039
another. What do you think?
Well, but that's just it. Though,

417
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:07.799
if you look at if you look
at the reason anarchy is associated with

418
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:12.319
chaos, because back when the philosophers
were all going through this bit, you

419
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:21.839
know, anarchy was you know,
lack of government and by that extension,

420
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:28.480
no enforcement of government. Therefore chaos
would be the ultimate result of anarchy.

421
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:31.440
And that's how the two are related. They loop. It's an inner.

422
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:37.799
It's a non ending loop, just
like on a computer program. Well see

423
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:39.920
it hooked in that loop. Well, you know, if you argue anarchy

424
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:46.680
out to its extreme, yes,
there's no governance. Therefore there's nothing to

425
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:52.720
enforce any type of control. Therefore
the end is going to be anarchy.

426
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:58.000
You know, once you realize the
loop and you see the loop. The

427
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:01.599
problem is everybody looks at that loop
from a different perspective. Well there you

428
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:07.400
go. See Now that's how you
get the difference. And yet you're describing

429
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.480
the same thing. Well see,
there you go. There's an interesting part

430
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:14.079
of it. And another thing is
that I come at it from a different

431
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:15.440
angle. Here we go, we're
going to see a difference. You're talking

432
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:19.960
about a loop. I mean,
it seems like an inevitability the way that

433
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:23.119
you talk about it. But to
me, I know for sure that there

434
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:27.359
have been plenty of places on the
planet, including in this place we call

435
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:31.519
America, that for large amounts of
time, no governance was necessary. People

436
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:37.200
simply cooperated because it was in their
best interest, and the majority of the

437
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.839
time until a dispute arose, there
was no need for any of this.

438
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.000
Like you know, ninety nine percent
of your days you didn't interact with the

439
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:50.640
government or whatever. It wasn't necessary
because you were just doing certain things.

440
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:55.720
Look, I'm not saying that it
is entirely inevitable. I'm not even trying

441
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:59.480
to pass judgment here. I don't
want to do anything but try to be

442
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.119
objective during this discussion, and I
want to let them get to it and

443
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:07.960
just get to trading because we'll see
how far this goes. But I think

444
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.800
that's what we're looking at here,
is that it's going to have to do

445
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:17.280
a lot with their personal perspectives and
their insistence on attaching themselves to either one

446
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:22.480
or the other, not looking for
the interconnectivity or the way that these things

447
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:28.880
can be widely separated one or the
other. But then again, maybe I'm

448
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:32.320
wrong. This is just the possibilities. So I'm gonna go to Jimmy James

449
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:37.079
and see if he agrees with what
Advance had to say, and I guess

450
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:43.960
let him kick it off. This
anarchy versus the constitutional you know, absolutism,

451
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.559
and what he thinks about anarchy and
how it is, you know,

452
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:50.400
the way he sees it. I'm
just gonna let them speak for themselves.

453
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:54.800
What do you think? Sure?
Okay, so with that, you can

454
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:58.639
go back. I got a ring
girl or anything to walk around with the

455
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:01.760
number like this would be around one, So should we keep I can do

456
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:06.880
it, but I'm not dressed.
Listen, you could tell people you are.

457
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.920
I I wouldn't. I wouldn't blow
the illusion. It's theater of the

458
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:13.679
mind. It's radio, it's audio. Yeah, well no, I'm in

459
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.119
dress for the ring. Yes,
I'm dressed. I'm just never mind.

460
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:20.119
But you could be dressed with Listen. You could be in uh, you

461
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:22.079
know, the latest swimsuit prawl.
I know, be pete. I don't

462
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:25.599
know. You could be in garter
beltsprawl. I know. At this point,

463
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:31.199
I you know, I don't want
to picture that, but now I've

464
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:37.199
made other people do it. Okay, enough jokes. Let's let let's let

465
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:42.360
Jimmy James get on and we'll and
we'll see what happens. And I'm just

466
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.559
gonna try and sit back and keep
track of the time. So we're gonna

467
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:49.360
go with three minute intervals and we'll
just let them trade back and forth and

468
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:54.400
see where this goes. Alrighty crap, there we go. All right,

469
00:35:54.440 --> 00:36:05.960
I've got Jimmy James back, so
time starting now, good heavens. All

470
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:10.000
right, Well, ask for your
definitions. Of course, there is no

471
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:21.400
contradiction. Part The first definition is
what it is, anarchy, and two

472
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:30.199
is anarchism the theory what Advance believes
in. Now, this is a theory

473
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:37.679
because it no place has ever existed, does not exist, and will never

474
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:43.440
exist. With this because it's only
a theory out of I mean, it's

475
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:52.559
not reality. Okay, So I
acknowledge definitions one and two. There's reality

476
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:58.599
and then there's the theory. Now
let's go back to what the Advance we

477
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:06.199
have going on there. He was
seeing that he feels that in particularly the

478
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:13.159
amendments were inspired by anarchism, and
of course this is backwards when inspired our

479
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:20.000
founding fathers was the writings in particular
of John Locke. And you should read

480
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:25.480
an advanced, very good book.
And also they run out of their way

481
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:35.920
while crafting these amendments to right the
wrongs that they've seen in the English constitution.

482
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:43.400
For instance, in the English constitutions, of course you have you had

483
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:47.840
no right of free press, of
course. And in fact, the bigger

484
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:58.280
the truth, the bigger the effects, was the British way toward the king

485
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:05.480
just because sidered. So in America
we are that this is why is the

486
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:15.400
first amendment. It's the exact antipathy
of the English theory pre press instead of

487
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:24.960
imprisonment for telling the truth. Really, so, uh, what else you

488
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:31.800
have? About thirty seconds left?
Just so you know, Yeah, there's

489
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:37.719
a lot of sets I want to, let's say, other than problem that

490
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:45.280
the anarchism that he's talking about is
all theory. And I'm telling you we

491
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:51.159
have a very good system in place
right now. Well, we have a

492
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:55.960
good framework and it can be fixed. And I think Dance would like how

493
00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.559
it's supposed to work. And I
guess I'll speak more of this in my

494
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:06.199
next three memos. There we go. So now I'm putting Jimmy James on

495
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:10.840
hold and I'll go to Vance for
his three minutes. I've gotta get a

496
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:17.840
rhythm going here, But there we
go. Vance your three minutes begins now.

497
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.760
So I really I really find it
hard to figure out how it is

498
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:30.039
what he just said about the the
the amendments being as the antithesis of the

499
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:35.920
British rule. Wouldn't that be anarchy? You know, when you're saying,

500
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.920
Okay, we're not going to follow
your rule. You know that that was

501
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:45.039
that was you know, basically anarchy, and it was it was anarchy to

502
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:47.360
get away from the king that controlled
the commons. That was the thing with

503
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:53.079
the Magna Carta was the original one
and all that stuff was established that there's

504
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:58.599
that the you know, the earth
didn't belong to the king who was basically

505
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:00.519
the monopoly on power. As Jimmy
said that, you know, there were

506
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:10.360
the offense and all that crap,
but the uh, the the whole thing

507
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:15.679
that we were doing was trying to
is to make sure that they didn't weren't

508
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:27.440
able to establish that monopoly on power, which you know they they were anyway,

509
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:35.599
That's that's what the fucking Constitution was. The whole intent of what they

510
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.519
were doing was to prevent that from
happening again with you know, setting up

511
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:43.760
the constitution. Of course, there
were people and you know involved in all

512
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:47.159
that that had just different ideas and
et cetera, et cetera, that you

513
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:52.440
know, the federalist versus you know, the constitutionalists and whatever, and and

514
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:57.159
so that that's finding good. But
you know, my point is is that

515
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.480
the the system that we have now, Jimmy said, you know, the

516
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:07.000
founding fathers thought that it should be
re ratified every twenty years and reinterpreted because

517
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:09.559
they didn't know how technology was going
to change. And they didn't know that,

518
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:13.199
you know, now we're going to
you know, a hundred years from

519
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.880
now. We can rule the world
from right here. We don't even have

520
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:17.880
to get out of our chair,
and we can fly playing into a building

521
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.320
and whatever it is. And and
so the the uh, yes, I

522
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:27.760
would really like it to be working
the way that that I that they intended

523
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.559
it, but it ain't been worked
that way for a long long time.

524
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:36.760
And and you know, we we
haven't even uh declared an actual war,

525
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.360
you know since World War Two.
We were, but we've been enforcing all

526
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:46.679
this you know, uh violence and
stuff on all over the world and and

527
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:53.159
and uh uh counting that. You
know, it's this noble endeavor and everything,

528
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:57.400
but it's all just about the monopoly. And they have a bigger monopoly

529
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:01.599
now than they ever had then.
And and you know that that that has

530
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:07.519
to be you know, uh,
remitied one way or the other. And

531
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.639
we can't remity it if we don't
even think that it's that it's even existing.

532
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.280
And it's just a simple matter of
you know, lecting a different person

533
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:16.840
because then he's not going to let
him. I mean, you know,

534
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:22.000
Trump doesn't rule the world. Biden
don't rule the world. Y'all heard this

535
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.760
all before. I'll let Jimmy go
on. All right, that was almost

536
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:31.440
right on your time anyway, So
that's fine. Back over to Jimmy James

537
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:37.079
to answer you. Uh, just
me being slow on the button. But

538
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:43.320
don't worry. It won't cost you
any time. Jimmy. We'll begin now.

539
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:49.000
Jimmy James, your time begins now. Well, okay, it's magna

540
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:52.119
cartis stuff. There is only one
and then only applied to the lords and

541
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:58.239
parents who signed that document, and
then it's nothing to us, and it

542
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:02.880
meant little to the people of England. Okay, Now, as far as

543
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:08.119
our amendments, all that wasn't anarchy. This was part of our form of

544
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:17.280
government. The founding fathers spent and
these guys were all geniuses. I mean,

545
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:23.159
they didn't play Nintendo. They read
books, and they studied, and

546
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:29.079
they knew all the systems of government, and they did debate. This was

547
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:35.840
a brand new system, the first
government from the people, a true democracy,

548
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:44.239
because that's what democracy means, from
the people. Now, let's see,

549
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:51.400
I can't today I'm having the anarchy
debate. I can't have the whole

550
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:57.920
world's running being ran by a secret
society debate simultaneously. So I'm not going

551
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:04.239
to do that. And yes,
the Marshall Plan was indeed a foolish,

552
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:08.920
foolish policy from Harry S. Truman, where we are, in fact the

553
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:15.000
world's police. I don't particularly agree
with that one. But I do agree

554
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:22.280
with the Monroe doctrin, which means
keeping all European powers out of our hemisphere.

555
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:30.039
And this is being greatly breaking right
now. China is setting up a

556
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:37.119
spy base in Cuba. They have
it. So you're wrong on and you're

557
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:42.559
right. A president can't do a
whole lot of good things for you in

558
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:46.079
your life, but they could sure
make your life miserable by doing the wrong

559
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:52.480
things, i e. Everything Joe
Biden does. Okay, I'm done with

560
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:58.280
my three minutes Okay, you didn't
use it all, but I'll put you

561
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:02.159
back on hold. I'll just note
that Jimmy James kind of old a minute

562
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:12.360
because he only used too Let's go
right on over to Vance and uh,

563
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:22.840
let's see where this goes. Okay, I don't see how you know the

564
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:27.679
the it's the philosophy. See,
it's almost saying that he's saying that that

565
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:31.519
that this has never existed, and
it's only a theory. It's not a

566
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:36.639
philosophy. You know, it's a
philosophy, and and and and the Founding

567
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:40.480
fathers had a philosophy to and even
though the Magna Carta, I was using

568
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:45.400
the Magna Carta as a as an
example of that that was the first time

569
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:50.400
that they established that the commons we
were we're a thing. And even in

570
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:54.400
America, you know, most of
your you know, communities and nicipalities,

571
00:45:54.440 --> 00:46:00.920
they're all commonwealths. And and you
know that it was you know, at

572
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:05.360
that time, they they you know, controlled all the markets with the you

573
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:08.039
know, the East Indies companies and
all that kind of stuff. And and

574
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:13.440
so that's what I'm saying that it's
all the same stuff that's going on now.

575
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:16.199
It's just that the technology is so
much you know, more advanced that

576
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:20.840
they have even more power where you
know, it's it's you know, getting

577
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:22.800
to be a parent now, you
know where you've got people like black Rock

578
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:30.840
that are not constitutional and and uh
uh in control of you know, the

579
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:35.480
majority of the world's wealth. And
and these people aren't elected. So I'm

580
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:37.679
sorry if you don't want to,
you know, have a debate or you

581
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:42.199
know, it's not so much having
a base, just entertaining the thought that

582
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:46.679
there there's obviously something somebody pulling strings
behind the curtain here, and you know

583
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:52.880
it ain't the people that were electing, So I don't see electing our way

584
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.360
out of this. There has to
The revolution started because the people got out

585
00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:00.440
in the streets and and you know
this at the lanterns, in the watch

586
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:04.639
towers and you know all that stuff, and stood up against it. But

587
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:08.840
they got everybody so dumb down and
and and mesmerized with television and football and

588
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:15.000
and you know, abortion and and
and everything else to not even want to

589
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:19.239
to think about the big picture that's
really going on behind the scenes. And

590
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.719
it's not just an accident, it's
not just a lack of imagination like nine

591
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:30.400
one one was in nine eleven.
So you know, it's a I guess

592
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:35.079
maybe this isn't really a debate about, you know, the principles of anarchy

593
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:39.760
versus the Founding Fathers principles. However, Jimmy wants to interpret that, but

594
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:46.440
my interpretation and his is obviously different. But the actual product is not has

595
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:50.800
not come to fruition and is way
out of whack. So you know,

596
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:52.400
how do we how do we deal
with that? Jimmy? Do we just

597
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:57.440
you know, wait, wait around
for the next election and hope Trump can

598
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:00.320
you know, stop all the wars? And you know you're saying that the

599
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:06.039
doctrine where we shouldn't allow any European
powers in our hemisphere, but we have

600
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:09.239
ours all over every hemisphere in the
world. So how does that work?

601
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:13.719
Is that turne or is it that
freedom? Is that democracy? Is that

602
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:19.440
you know anarchy? How to you
know? Can you tell me? There

603
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:23.039
you go? That's your three minutes
right there now, be Pete, just

604
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:27.000
a quick interruption. I do want
Jimmy James to answer, and I'll go

605
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:30.840
to him right next. But we
have Harland hanging on the line as well.

606
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:35.840
I'm thinking we could invite Harlan in
at some point to make a comment

607
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:39.079
and you know, suspend our we
can comment later. But what do you

608
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:42.920
think about that? Bring Harlan in
to make a comment after we get a

609
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.360
couple of more passes or one more
pass year, what do you think?

610
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:51.000
Yeah, that sounds good. Okay, No, I just want to see

611
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:53.440
if you have another idea. I'll
go with it. But I don't want

612
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:58.719
to, you know, have Harlan
sang on there for nothing. It would

613
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:00.039
be good to have him maybe make
a comment. Maybe he could ask a

614
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:04.760
question. I mean, we'll let
him put his input in, but we

615
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.920
got to go back over to Jimmy
James to answer that, which man's just

616
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:14.199
laid out right. Yes, okay, sorry, man, I'm just trying

617
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:15.760
to come up with a way.
This is, you know, making this

618
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:17.960
up as I go along. So
I'm going to begin Jimmy James tell I'm

619
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.719
not Yeah, I don't mean to
be short, just yeah. I know.

620
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:28.079
We'll have time later to discuss this, because we're we're bouncing on the

621
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:32.239
edges some things that might need some
clarification. Okay, well later you'll you'll

622
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:36.519
need time to comment on this as
well. In other words, right,

623
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:42.679
okay, fair enough, So at
some point be Pete reserves time to be

624
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:49.639
able to I feel like I'm running
one of those judicial committee hearings that I've

625
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:54.039
been torturing myself listening too lately.
Real ridiculousness with the grandstanding. I broadcast

626
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:59.039
part of it the other day on
the stream. But anyway, so Jimmy

627
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:04.000
James deserve my time, and I
yield back. There you go with that,

628
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:07.679
We go back to Jimmy James.
We go to the gentleman from Michigan.

629
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:15.880
So oh that crap, Hey,
dance, repeat what you said at

630
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:22.440
the end. Okay, I can't
even remember what you said. I'm sorry.

631
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:25.079
This will not count against Jimmy James
time. I'm going to advance back

632
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:30.280
on to repeat what he said at
the end, go advanced. Could you

633
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:37.159
repeat that for him? I'm trying
to think. I think I kind of

634
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.159
ended with you know, maybe this
isn't really a debate about, you know,

635
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:45.679
the principles of anarchy and whether they
relate to the beliefs of the founding

636
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:49.800
fathers or not. But maybe it's
the fact that this government has not lived

637
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:54.800
up to and is not any longer
any representation of what those principles the way

638
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:58.840
I believe them. In apparently the
Jimmy believes them too, But there's some

639
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:02.679
discrepancy between what we believe was the
intent whatever. But that you know,

640
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:07.840
there is obviously, you know,
cabal, and he claims it's the Democrats,

641
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:12.079
that the Democrats just somehow, you
know, got in there and took

642
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:15.440
over control of the world and now
they rule the world. But I believe

643
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:21.920
remember us beyond them. Okay,
So maybe you don't want to have that

644
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:24.719
debate, Jimmy, but you know
that's maybe that's the debate that I'm you

645
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:29.480
know, Okay, that's what I'm
concerned about, not not whether I'm right

646
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:32.440
about my anarchist views or not that
this ship needs to change. Okay,

647
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:37.400
I'm gonna put you back on hold. Advance and Jimmy, now you remember

648
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:45.199
what it was you wanted to respond
with. Yes, Okay, it's not

649
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:49.719
that I'm not willing to have that
that they It's just we're in the mail

650
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:59.159
having an anarchy debate. I mean, we could talk about the invisible goal

651
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:06.320
of hin hand I suppose if that's
where you want to go. But Vance,

652
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.920
I'll tell you what, open your
eyes and watch TV. You don't

653
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:16.559
need secret worlds going on. There's
plenty of crap going on Overtly, it's

654
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:25.519
pretty overt. People are pretty overt. And as far as the president,

655
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:37.280
will it really matter if Trump gets
in? Yes, why because anyone who

656
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:44.480
studies the government realizes that the main
problem with government is this huge, huge,

657
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:52.599
huge bureaucracy. And Trump, by
god, he will tackle that bureaucracy.

658
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:57.320
And if he doesn't get in,
there's a few other candidates that will

659
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:02.000
also, They say, And I
that happens because I think they're the cause

660
00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:08.400
of most of the problems. And
in this country. Oh yeah, and

661
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:14.039
I forgot. I also want you're
you're talking about our bases around the world.

662
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:17.039
Okay, Well, after two World
War World Wars, yeah, we

663
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:22.360
learned a lesson. We decided we're
not going to keep doing this. Those

664
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:30.599
bases are there to get you.
Yeah, we occupied Germany in Japan for

665
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:38.480
a long time, but those bases. We are not colonial. We didn't

666
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:43.679
take over the world, even though
we easily could have. In nineteen forty

667
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:49.360
six, we were the only standing
nation for crying out loud. So if

668
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:53.400
we were as evil and greedy as
you say, we would be in charge.

669
00:53:54.800 --> 00:54:01.039
But unfortunately we let the world go
there, true and let the world

670
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:07.000
sixty percent of the world go the
communist way. For whatever his purpose was,

671
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:13.000
I guess just people were tired of
war and they wanted an end to

672
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:19.400
it. So unfortunately that led to
a pulled war. As far as the

673
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:27.119
history of anarchism, okay, the
French had their communism, No, not

674
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:34.440
communism, they had their commonism where
the people from the lowest ranks of society.

675
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:38.679
And this is how every other revolution
has occurred, which is why they

676
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:45.960
have all failed. While they went
eight knots and went, and he added,

677
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:50.599
all the rulers in the place went
to pot and there's always a strong

678
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:58.079
man named Napoleon Rose. Then after
that came the anarchists and Marxist theories,

679
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:06.079
and these things all took shave forty
years after they failed. Journalists. Ironically,

680
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:10.840
one of the first journalists, Karl
Marx, wrote as garbage before any

681
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:16.639
of it ever took place. Yeah, I can't name a place that is

682
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:27.840
being run by anarchical anarchism principles as
you state them. If such a thing

683
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:31.400
were possible, to be fine by
me. But it's not. That's just

684
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:36.920
not human nature. We do not
live in that live, so we have

685
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:45.000
to live in the real world as
it is the best we can and I

686
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:50.840
think I've done with yep. Actually, I gave you back your whole minute

687
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:53.440
that you didn't use during that,
so I just cut you off there.

688
00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:59.039
I think this might be an appropriate
time to let Harlan in on the discussion

689
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:01.159
and see if he's got any comments
about what he's heard so far, because

690
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:06.039
I think he's been on hold for
the whole thing. Be pete any objections,

691
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:13.239
any object without objections or yeah,
no, no objections. Okay,

692
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:15.159
you'll allow that into the record without
objection. We'll read that into the record.

693
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:17.800
Yes, I have some letters here
to submit, Joe. I'm sorry,

694
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:22.440
I just hurd a Liam hit the
roof I'm checking on. But yeah,

695
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:24.440
no objects. How is the storm
with you, by the way,

696
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:29.079
is it getting rough? Oh,
it's pulling pretty good out there. Well,

697
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:31.320
we're getting up to sixty mile an
hour winds down the coast, so

698
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:35.440
we're catching the ends of it here. But okay, you know, my

699
00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:37.440
lot's covered with oak trees, so
it's coming down a piece of time.

700
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:42.239
All right. Well, look,
I hope everything goes okay for you.

701
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:45.159
So I'm gonna let Harlan on the
line see if he's got any comments about

702
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:47.360
this, what he's listening to,
what he thinks of it. We may

703
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:52.679
I have some commentary I might want
to add, be Pete might have some.

704
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:55.559
Plus we're gonna have to take a
break at some point. We're about

705
00:56:55.599 --> 00:57:00.199
an hour in. So with that, let's go, let's go over to

706
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:07.039
Harland. First of all, Harlan, how you doing? Then? Well,

707
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.760
I'm trying to wolf down some waffle
house here before it gets cold.

708
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:16.079
I mean probably about thirty man,
probably about thirty Mattes. My eyes would

709
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:20.239
be like a cock. Besides that, I'm just listening to the show.

710
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:23.639
Gotcha, what do you want?
You want to add any commentary or ask

711
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:30.239
or two debaters to any questions anything
the gentleman from Tennessee would like to add.

712
00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:36.760
Well, I just saw a few
things out here. First of all,

713
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:39.519
you know, allegedly were supposed to
pay. Republic says a democracy.

714
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:46.000
You know, I heard Jimmy said, boy was democracy how it gets stuff?

715
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:49.480
That sounds a little comedy to me, you know, Jimmy, you

716
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:52.880
gonna have to come back on me
on that. But second about you know,

717
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:57.320
I'm not a Marxist. I've never
read, you know, any of

718
00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:00.400
his writings. Really, Besides a
few paragraphs here and there, but from

719
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:07.000
what I understand called Mark is more
pro gunn than Donald Trump and probably a

720
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:10.239
good portion of the Republicans because he
said that, you know, the working

721
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:16.400
class, you know, needed to
have armor something of that motion. And

722
00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:22.840
I guess as far as the questions
for both of'em, I think I

723
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:27.159
think really a question for Vance is
more or less a comment. I like

724
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:31.559
what Vance is talking about and what
a lot of anarchist in general are talking

725
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:37.719
about. They're not necessarily talking about
anarchy, They're just talking about freedom in

726
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:42.960
general. I think that the word
anarchy was used to, you know,

727
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:49.880
kind of ease those folks over into
you know, a corner, paying them

728
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:52.679
into a corner, because the words
got such a derogatory, you know,

729
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:58.840
meaning Tom Cooper, you know,
he claims to be an anarchist. And

730
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:00.559
you know, really, as far
as you know, the question that I've

731
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:07.239
got for Jimmy is it just seems
like that he's so amazing just listening to

732
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:15.239
him, that it's always the Democrats
and it's not the Republicans. Well,

733
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:22.599
why in these red states like Tennessee
in Texas and Kentucky which Kentucky used to

734
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:25.920
have a Republican governor too, and
he kept shitting in every bay station.

735
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:32.000
They was such a pukey, you
know, the all the Libertarians came out

736
00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:37.119
in force and they wind up losing
and the shares beating. But anyway,

737
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:44.679
why are we not living in red
state utopias when in these states that they

738
00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:52.119
have supermajorities and they have Republican governors. Why is Tennessee in Texas? Why

739
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:58.920
do not they have every fucking promise
that we've ever heard? Why is it

740
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:05.360
not God? I mean, explain
that if everything is the Democrats fock?

741
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:15.960
Why and all these so called red
state utopias is hit basically eighty nine the

742
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:17.960
same thing as it is everywhere else. And I'd just be a few a

743
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.800
little shiny, you know, fins
hearing. I mean, why can you

744
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:28.559
not leave Michigan, move to Tennessee
or Texas and be living in just Republican

745
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:36.000
flag waving head And I will at
that point, I will abide my time

746
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:38.159
back and you know you can teach
me when you go back the ground.

747
01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:44.719
Okay, So with with with that, the gentleman from Tennessee submits so that

748
01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:49.840
he can go and eat his waffle
house before it gets any colder, I

749
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:55.559
find this money because you know Georgia. Again, everybody will go, oh

750
01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:59.119
no, no, no, that's
not true because of Atlanta and Savannah and

751
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:04.280
yeah no, Still you don't understand. This state is controlled top to bottom

752
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:08.840
by the Republicans. It is absolutely
control. Uh. Look the mayor of

753
01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:14.159
even though they're getting sued by the
way wrongful death, all this weird stuff

754
01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:17.280
going on over there over cops city, this and that Atlanta, uh,

755
01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:21.800
and I allegedly live in a blue
area in the state, weirdly enough.

756
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:29.679
But the thing is, the state
really literally is controlled by overall, overwhelmingly

757
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:37.119
by the Republicans, by the GOP. Even the Democrats here generally admit it.

758
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:40.079
Okay, I know, we got
killer Mike, and we got you

759
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:45.719
know, the advanced Bottoms who is
no longer the mayor and what have you.

760
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:50.519
And Atlanta is a shiny blue area
and all that it's supposed to be

761
01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:53.320
purple and look like, Yeah no, that's not the reality of the state.

762
01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:58.440
That that that that is not who
absolutely controls the state House, who

763
01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:02.480
absolutely controls the law. This is
a red state. Also, do we

764
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:07.280
have a utopia in Georgia. Well, of course, you know, a

765
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:10.800
complaining person like myself would not see
it that way, and I assure you

766
01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:15.639
many other people do not, and
not because it's not a democratic haven,

767
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:21.039
but because it just is dysfunctional,
as are it seems like most places on

768
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:23.920
the map. Why is Texas not
a utopian that's a good question. I

769
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:27.960
don't think you put anything hard to
Vance there in your questions. No you

770
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:30.239
didn't. What did you say?
I wrote a note here? Yeah,

771
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:34.880
okay, it was more of a
comment. And you feel like Vance is

772
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:38.400
really advocating for freedom more than anarchy, and that anarchy is just one of

773
01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:43.440
those words that has now been tarnished. It is not, you know,

774
01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:47.719
even though philosophically it means one thing
versus the practical usage and so on.

775
01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:51.920
Yeah, I get it. That's
kind of how I see it too,

776
01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:58.960
is when people really discuss anarchy and
anarchism, they are talking about freedom and

777
01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:02.760
the concept of non aggression. Anyways, look, be Pete, We've taken

778
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:06.519
up about an hour. I do
want to get to a break. But

779
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:09.840
should I go back around through Vance, through Jimmy James or should we go

780
01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:14.320
to the break first? What are
your thoughts here or would you like to

781
01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:15.559
drop in some comments and then we
go to a break. I mean,

782
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:20.760
up to you, man, Let's
go to the break, and when we

783
01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:23.000
come back, I got a short
a little bit of comment, and then

784
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:28.119
we can go back around. Okay, but but I want to make sure

785
01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:30.199
we keep it short so that we
get through this with these two, because

786
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:34.239
we've already killed one hour to be
real easy to kill a second one.

787
01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:38.000
And I know mister long winded me
has got to keep his mouth shut if

788
01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:43.320
we're going to keep this tight.
So all right, I'll go with your

789
01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:45.960
plan. We'll go to a break, and we'll let be Pete comment on

790
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:50.599
the other side real quick, and
we'll continue with this discussion, which I

791
01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:54.519
think is more about the fact that
these two do agree that we have a

792
01:03:54.639 --> 01:04:00.880
dysfunctional circumstance where people's personal freedoms are
not being served by the government and the

793
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:06.719
government is not behaving according to its
own rules or according to the general principles

794
01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:11.400
that it should. I think they
both agree on that. But we'll get

795
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:16.000
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Go ahead, call terested in the
truth about the Java assassination? Right,

816
01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:09.400
Well, what do you want to
know Judie Baker's wild claim? Oswald

817
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:13.239
girlfriends you knew? Ruby and Barry
answer weapons? Really? I imagine I

818
01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:15.880
could claim I have four wheels.
It doesn't make me a wagon, But

819
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:18.760
okay, Oswald was on the duilty
and trying to prevent the murder of John

820
01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:23.159
Kennedy. Come on, now has
a real ecort on the Jayka assassination.

821
01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:28.360
Go into her claims. Go to
Amazon dot com enter Judith Baker in her

822
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:31.519
own words. You'll get results for
a digital copy of a book where Walt

823
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:36.679
Brown utilizes her own words and the
known evidence in the case to get at

824
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:42.400
well a different perspective. Let's say
you can get Judith Barry Baker in her

825
01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:46.400
own words from the author himself,
signed if you request it by contacting doctor

826
01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:51.679
Brown at Kia s JFK at aol
dot com. It's a fun book and

827
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:58.480
it actually dissects the many, many
fantastic claims. Judith Barry Baker in her

828
01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:03.199
own words, thank you. I
will have those those books actually, Judith

829
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:08.480
arry Baker in her own words,
at the JFK Lancer Conference this November,

830
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if I get enough money together,
because I gotta pay for some in advance

831
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to bring them to me, so
I can bring them with at the conference,

832
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and I'm gonna try and give some
away. I'm gonna try and sell

833
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some at a discount. We're gonna
try and make them available to you,

834
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and they will be signed by Walt
as well, although I won't be able

835
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to personalize them for you. But
if you make donations to Acelli dot com

836
01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:34.599
this week especially, but during this
month of September, some of that money

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might go toward acquiring some of those
copies and a few other things that I'll

838
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be able to either give away or
sell at a discount at the conference.

839
01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:50.159
And that in the business, boys
and girls, is what we call a

840
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live drop. In anyway, we're
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841
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844
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845
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Radio Network, Chili dot com,
get ready for revelation through conversation segment number

846
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two of the live open mic at
Ocelli dot Com. Here we go.

847
01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:48.439
We're having a discussion between Van Arkey, himself, Vance and Jimmy James,

848
01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:53.880
and it is Vance's turn, so
I'm gonna get right to him. But

849
01:08:54.119 --> 01:08:57.920
first we're gonna go to my co
host VPTE for a quick bit of commentary

850
01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:01.279
regarding what's been discussed so far,
and hopefully he's good and ready to go.

851
01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:05.640
U b P, it's on you. The floor is yours, sir.

852
01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:09.560
You have a certain amount of time, and you may recall your time.

853
01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:12.680
I swear to god, those hearings
are echoing in my head as I

854
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:16.000
sleep, that ridiculousness where they were
grand standing in between. I know you're

855
01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:19.279
not going to grandstand, so anyway, all you, sir, go ahead.

856
01:09:21.399 --> 01:09:26.960
Thanks to the gentleman from Georgia.
I'll want to take long now.

857
01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:30.399
Harden brought up a good point when
he mentioned that you know, we didn't

858
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:33.520
have a democracy, we had a
republican And I know Wikipedia is the worst

859
01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:38.399
place to go for something, but
under a definition of anarchy, there is

860
01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:44.880
a short little equipment here that I'd
like to read and it's it's it's based

861
01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:48.600
on the writings of Emmanuel Can't,
who was a German philosopher, and he

862
01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:55.680
treated anarchy in his anthropology from a
pragmatic point of view, which was actually

863
01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:58.880
a book that was put out seventeen
ninety eight, I think it was,

864
01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:03.119
and it was based on his teachings
at the university for about twenty four years

865
01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:09.960
up to about seventeen ninety six.
And it says here that anarchy and his

866
01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:15.960
definition is law and freedom without force. For can't and I'm gonna read straight

867
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:18.000
off here because it's quicker for can't, anarchy fall is sure of being a

868
01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:23.399
true civil state because the law is
only an empty recommendation. It forces not

869
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:27.880
included to make this law efficacious.
For there to be such a state,

870
01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:31.199
force must be included while law and
freedom are maintained. A state which can't

871
01:10:31.279 --> 01:10:38.079
cause a republic. And this is
I'd like to point out that Advanced made

872
01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:45.880
the comment that our Bill of Rights
we're based on anarchy. He's very true

873
01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:49.279
to a point in that these are
rights, and we've heard others on the

874
01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:54.199
show discussed natural rights and things of
that nature. He's true in the fact

875
01:10:54.279 --> 01:10:57.880
that that our basic the first things
that come out of the Bill of Rights

876
01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:02.840
are they are granted by odd They
are life, liberty, and pursuit of

877
01:11:02.920 --> 01:11:06.039
happiness. These things that make up
those things that we are born with.

878
01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:13.399
No matter your deity of choice,
God gave us these things. They can

879
01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:16.239
never be taken from us. They
had to be pointed out in writing when

880
01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:21.960
they were constructing a constitution, but
they are based on anarchy. And Can

881
01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:30.079
goes on to describe the types of
government, and basically there's four and for

882
01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:34.079
there to be such a state,
force must be included, while law and

883
01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:40.920
freedom are maintained a state which can't
cause a republic. And here are his

884
01:11:41.079 --> 01:11:46.319
four kinds of government. Law and
freedom without force is anarchy. Law and

885
01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:53.800
freedom without force. Number two,
law and force without freedom is despotism,

886
01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:58.720
and we've seen that in various governments, even in our own lives that are

887
01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:01.079
going on, and it's going on
in the world today. Number Three,

888
01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:06.680
force without freedom and law is barbarism. And that's what we had in the

889
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:13.680
early histories of Asia and Europe,
and not so much in this country.

890
01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:18.800
Of force without freedom and law.
And the fourth is forced with freedom and

891
01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:25.079
law, which is a republic.
And that's what we have in this country.

892
01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:30.159
We have under the guise of force
of the government, we have a

893
01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:33.920
certain amount of freedom and law.
And that's what they say. You know,

894
01:12:34.439 --> 01:12:39.640
we're a nation of laws, not
a nation of men, so we

895
01:12:39.720 --> 01:12:45.760
are all these three discussions have all
interconnected under the guise of an anarchy.

896
01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:51.039
And when you look at what we
mentioned earlier about the four perspectives of a

897
01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:59.960
murder, you're seeing these four forces
all mentioned by each of our three participants.

898
01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:02.199
So I think it's amazing that these
little aspects are coming out and they

899
01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:08.079
all die together. That's all.
That's all I got, fair enough.

900
01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:14.920
Look, but again, it does
get informed greatly by one's perspective. Somebody

901
01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:18.239
who did nothing wrong and winds up
getting shot and killed by the police might

902
01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:25.279
feel as though they are dealing with
a state that is acting out of barbarism

903
01:13:26.479 --> 01:13:30.640
because they did nothing wrong and they're
being abused by those who are armed,

904
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:34.279
who are empowered. So they have
all that stuff and the law doesn't seem

905
01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:39.680
to count there. That person's rights, natural or otherwise are kind of irrelevant

906
01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:44.880
if they're dead and that happens,
and you know what happens. I'm not

907
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:48.560
saying it happens all the time in
all circumstances or it's supposed to be the

908
01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:54.199
norm. But for somebody that's in
that position, they might not view this

909
01:13:54.600 --> 01:14:00.159
as this, you know, wonderful
thing that is going on because they're on

910
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:01.880
the wrong end of it at the
moment, and they may have done nothing

911
01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:06.720
wrong. It does happen, and
I would dare say there are people that

912
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:12.800
have experienced certain things that would say
that, you know, at certain times,

913
01:14:13.039 --> 01:14:16.800
not everybody had equal pieces when it
came to this either, you know,

914
01:14:17.239 --> 01:14:20.920
different reasons, different prejudice. Absolutely, No, I didn't mean to

915
01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:25.159
give the intention that you know,
there are aspects of these four types of

916
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:30.319
government described by Campt and you know
they're all honkey dory. No, we've

917
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:33.560
seen despotism, we've seen barbarism.
Barbarism goes on today in many parts of

918
01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:40.239
that area of Africa that you know
that Jimmy James might have wanted to describe

919
01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:45.479
as as chaotic. You know,
anarchy's taking place. It's just it's all

920
01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:49.039
interconnected in our discussion. And so
that's what I meant earlier about we've been

921
01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:56.600
tap dancing around this move. It's
all interconnected. You know the fact that

922
01:14:56.760 --> 01:14:59.439
Harlem brings up the fact that,
yes, we having type of government if

923
01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:02.439
you look at it forced with freedom
and law being a republic and law and

924
01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:08.800
freedom without force anarchy. You know, it's almost like their their exact opposites.

925
01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:15.279
Yeah, but should not be.
And here's the thing about it right

926
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:17.640
altogether. And I'm gonna go to
Vance next, and we'll let him begin

927
01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:24.000
this discussion, and I'll turn it
over with the comment that that Harlan had

928
01:15:24.039 --> 01:15:28.880
for him that you know, basically
it sounds more like he's describing freedom as

929
01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:32.359
opposed to uh, you know,
having to lug around the word anarchy or

930
01:15:32.359 --> 01:15:39.439
anarchism or that philosophical point. But
here's the thing again, I think your

931
01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:45.279
experiences can simply vary and not like
everybody gets and so therefore you could experience

932
01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:51.680
barbarism regardless of what the alleged intent
is. And I think again Vance and

933
01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:58.159
Jimmy James would both agree that for
whatever reason, they may have different reasonings

934
01:15:58.199 --> 01:16:01.039
as to why this is the state. And I think that guy I always

935
01:16:01.079 --> 01:16:06.279
heard him his name pronounced as Kant
by the way somehow, but I know

936
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:12.680
who you're talking about. Anyway.
The thing about it is that I think

937
01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:15.119
we would all say that nothing is
functioning as it should be or as it

938
01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:23.560
could be. And you know,
do we have that equal situation? Do

939
01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:29.680
we have that circumstance by which there
are people's freedoms being protected by force?

940
01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:35.439
Is that what's going on? Is
there that situation where those things that are

941
01:16:35.560 --> 01:16:42.399
ensconced in the Constitution but are not
granted by it? Okay, do we

942
01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:47.079
have a circumstance by which that is
being executed? Is that being well enacted?

943
01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:53.079
Is that happening? Whether it's because
of the bureaucracy, the political forums

944
01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:56.399
at the moment, but it's kind
of almost irrelevant. Do we have it

945
01:16:56.520 --> 01:17:00.279
or do we not? And I
think they would both agree that we don't

946
01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:04.640
have the circumstance. We don't have
the fully functional republic. We don't have

947
01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:11.800
anywhere where there has been a fully
No. Don't get me wrong, I've

948
01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:15.279
never you've heard me to go on
and on on this show. We have

949
01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:19.680
in no way a functioning republic.
You're not at the moment and not at

950
01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:24.640
many moments. Now, it may
indeed function to some degree like it's supposed

951
01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:28.760
to do sometimes, but again,
given the bureaucracy, given the ridiculousness of

952
01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:33.079
what I witnessed watching those those uh, you know, god, the Judicial

953
01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:39.319
Committee is just so ridiculous. Let
me grandstand now for three minutes and yell

954
01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:42.399
at this guy. Let me let
me incoherently yell at this guy because I

955
01:17:42.479 --> 01:17:45.520
want to scream my point of view, whether it's gun control or Hunter Biden

956
01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:50.720
twenty times at the guy, just
because I don't know what they're accomplishing outside

957
01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:55.960
of creating sound bites that nobody's playing. By the way, I don't see

958
01:17:55.960 --> 01:17:59.520
anybody replaying them, and I'm probably
one of the very few idiots out there

959
01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:02.640
watching this cespan feed. I don't
think it's getting the ratings at the moment.

960
01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:08.439
Anyway. Look, I'll put it
all aside and let them get back

961
01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:11.920
to it. So let's go to
Vance, and I remind you of answered

962
01:18:11.960 --> 01:18:14.600
the comment I think it was.
You know, basically, Harland is saying

963
01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:17.760
that what you're describing it's more about
freedom than it is about even that word

964
01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:26.359
anarchy or anarchism or that philosophical belief
it's about people's freedoms that you are basically

965
01:18:26.479 --> 01:18:29.720
preaching. That's his comment, not
a question. He had a question for

966
01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:32.439
Jimmy James, which I'll refresh on
because I took notes, and I'll still

967
01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:35.119
stick with the three minutes, and
who knows, maybe this will break up

968
01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:43.279
sooner or this will continue. I
don't know. So with that vance you're

969
01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:46.520
back on and you're three minutes will
begin to say whatever it is you want

970
01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:54.880
to say here, sir, well
next to Harland and to DP for the

971
01:18:55.199 --> 01:19:02.439
interjections there and appreciate that and the
That's kind of my whole one of the

972
01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:06.279
aspects of where I'm trying to get
people to understand is that, yes,

973
01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:12.840
those if we just take on face
value the ideas and principles that the founding

974
01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:15.560
fathers the way we do, you
know, in the broad picture, only

975
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:19.520
that collective sense, you know,
interpret those that in my mind, we're

976
01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:25.560
based in anarchical principles and archistic principles, you know, based on the non

977
01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:30.600
aggression principle and not having rulers.
And so then I never heard it expressed

978
01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:35.880
the way VP did about the republic
versus the anarchy be and the without force.

979
01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:41.079
But that's that's the whole basis of
anarchy, is the non aggression principle,

980
01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:44.520
which says, I can't force you
to do something you wouldn't agree to

981
01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:47.039
do. You can't force me to
do something I wouldn't agree to do.

982
01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:53.760
Everybody in the room can't force me
to do You agree to have the authority

983
01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:57.239
to force me to do something I
want to do. So in a system

984
01:19:57.319 --> 01:20:00.479
that has run that way, there's
not a whole lot of kind room for

985
01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:06.840
a lot of conflicts. In my
mind that that promotes respect, mutual respect

986
01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:10.920
with each other. And so you
either you know, make an agreement and

987
01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:14.600
work it out, or you go
your separate ways and nobody's you know,

988
01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:16.960
forcing you to you know, nobody's
taking you to jail because you had an

989
01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:21.159
ounce pot in your car even though
you hadn't killed anybody or harmed anybody,

990
01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:26.319
or you know, you've never you
know that there's not any chance that that

991
01:20:26.439 --> 01:20:29.600
bag of weed was going to harm
anybody, and you know, but yet

992
01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:31.399
you go to jail and get fined. And so these are all the same

993
01:20:31.479 --> 01:20:35.000
kind of things that the King was
enforcing against, you know, the the

994
01:20:35.439 --> 01:20:42.439
colonists and stuff and so you know, uh, that doesn't mean that there

995
01:20:42.520 --> 01:20:45.399
isn't a room for you know,
it's obviously if I kill someone then you

996
01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:49.199
know that's against the law. And
and you know there has you know,

997
01:20:49.319 --> 01:20:54.000
whether it's you know, if it
was in a rural you know country where

998
01:20:54.079 --> 01:20:56.359
you know, well maybe me and
my brother's just go and take care of

999
01:20:56.439 --> 01:20:59.239
it or you know whatever, you
know, that kind of deal. But

1000
01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:04.680
the the truth, the fact in
my mind at this point in time,

1001
01:21:04.840 --> 01:21:12.760
is that the the Constitution and all
that was done to put limits on the

1002
01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:15.760
federal That's what the Republic and then
the federal government only was supposed to have

1003
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:21.840
these limited amounts of commissions of authority
to interact in certain things, and that

1004
01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:29.079
has vastly gotten way corrupted. And
you know, the first thing they did

1005
01:21:29.239 --> 01:21:30.800
was getting rid of the King's Bank
and all that. Well you know how

1006
01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:34.199
many times it got back in was
twice three times. You know, here

1007
01:21:34.279 --> 01:21:39.479
we go. So that that's that's
what needs to be you know, fundamentally

1008
01:21:39.640 --> 01:21:45.119
updated. As the founding fathers,
you know, had common sense enough to

1009
01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:46.760
say you should you know, we're
gonna have to redo this, but they've

1010
01:21:46.840 --> 01:21:51.119
never done that. All as they've
done is amended it to obtain their goals

1011
01:21:51.199 --> 01:21:58.960
and authority and and and popular.
To Jimmy's belief, it's pretty much as

1012
01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:04.000
form with colonial Okay, fair enough, and I think I'll let you run

1013
01:22:04.039 --> 01:22:08.600
about ten seconds over. I'm not
gonna keep track on that because I think

1014
01:22:08.640 --> 01:22:12.279
it's it's a small thing. We
can give a little bit of leeway.

1015
01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:19.399
So I'll let Jimmy respond to that. Yeah about starting now, there we

1016
01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:29.119
go, not Jesus sexually, they
respond on Marlin, get you to listen

1017
01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:32.960
to what I said, Marlin,
I said democracy, which comes from the

1018
01:22:33.159 --> 01:22:41.359
Greek, from the people. Therefore, the United States is the only government

1019
01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:45.760
which was formed from the people,
not from a god, not from a

1020
01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:51.840
pope, not from a mob.
It was formed from the people after our

1021
01:22:51.960 --> 01:23:00.600
revolution with the British. Okay,
why are Republicans better than Democrats? Well,

1022
01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:08.960
they just are. Look what they
are doing. Do you like medical

1023
01:23:09.199 --> 01:23:15.319
tyranny? Do you like your children
having secret sex change operations? Do you

1024
01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:18.840
like that the Democrats think that you
and your children belong to them in the

1025
01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:26.560
government, because that's the way what
they believe. And as far as you're

1026
01:23:27.720 --> 01:23:30.960
guess what, Harlan, I'm moving
to West Virginia, which I've lived before.

1027
01:23:31.720 --> 01:23:36.439
I've lived all over the country in
the world for that matter. Okay,

1028
01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:42.319
so are we passed? Harlan?
How to be pete? Once again,

1029
01:23:42.439 --> 01:23:49.800
you're speaking of theories of philosophies that
never happened or existed and events.

1030
01:23:50.479 --> 01:23:57.720
They're speaking of things now they were
not inspired by anarchism. Once again,

1031
01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:03.079
that is ash backwards. There was
no such thing as anarchism as a philosophy

1032
01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:11.239
until the nighteen hundreds. It's seventeen
hundreds. They wouldn't know what the devil

1033
01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:16.640
you were talking about. Okay,
where are we now? Where are we

1034
01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:24.159
now? I'm known debating like four
people. Okay, Democracy, first off,

1035
01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:29.920
is just an adjective. It is
not a form of government parliam That's

1036
01:24:30.039 --> 01:24:40.880
why I referred to America as a
democracy. Of course, it's a constitutional

1037
01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:48.640
republic, but we are a form
of democracy as an adjective. It's pretty

1038
01:24:48.760 --> 01:24:57.640
modern, used pretty freely because the
press likes it because it sounds like democrats.

1039
01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:01.279
So they like to say democracy to
have a republic, which sounds like

1040
01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:08.279
republican. So that's just news me
be a bias at work, chief,

1041
01:25:08.600 --> 01:25:14.479
like white people spoke, did I
have something that was sent my way that

1042
01:25:14.600 --> 01:25:19.039
I didn't answer. No, I
think you actually adequately answered everything and within

1043
01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:23.439
time because your time would run out
about here. So and I think he

1044
01:25:23.479 --> 01:25:29.319
answered every single person. So there
you got something. Don't feel right?

1045
01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:35.159
I think you did, maybe Bass, I'll digraphs and wield all right,

1046
01:25:35.479 --> 01:25:39.800
Hey, look, I think you
did. You did well answering everybody.

1047
01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:44.199
Actually that was well organized. Uh
in my opinion, b Pete, what

1048
01:25:44.239 --> 01:25:49.479
do you think? Well, I
got a few rhetorical remarks to make,

1049
01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:53.840
but other than that, yeah,
he covered about everything. I don't think

1050
01:25:53.840 --> 01:25:56.479
he answered everything. I mean,
whether you like his answers or not as

1051
01:25:56.479 --> 01:26:00.279
another question, but well, yeah, right answers it is flat out wrong.

1052
01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:04.520
Okay, we'll go we'll start with
that. Well, why don't you

1053
01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:09.520
go ahead, and you know,
if you want to add in your comments,

1054
01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:13.279
go right ahead, and then we'll
oh, minor quick, yeah,

1055
01:26:13.680 --> 01:26:15.760
and minor quick. And it's where
he addressed what I said. Well,

1056
01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:23.720
Jimmy, No, anarchy was around
long before the nineteen hundreds. I can't

1057
01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:28.359
or kant or however you want to
pronounce it, was writing about it back

1058
01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:31.199
in the late seventeen hundreds. He
taught it for twenty four years before the

1059
01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:40.079
turn of the eighteen hundreds. So
there, you're wrong too. I wasn't

1060
01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:45.680
discussing philosophies that have never existed.
Every one of those four descriptions of government

1061
01:26:45.239 --> 01:26:50.359
given by Kant have existed. They
exist today in all different parts of the

1062
01:26:50.439 --> 01:26:56.479
world. So too wrong there.
Other than that, you know, we

1063
01:26:56.560 --> 01:27:02.039
can play word games with Republican Republicans, and you know, if if it

1064
01:27:02.119 --> 01:27:10.119
were so staunchly embedded on that,
why did it take just before the Civil

1065
01:27:10.199 --> 01:27:14.720
War for the Republic of the Republicans
do even come around? So you know

1066
01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:20.159
they were a later thought. They
formed to go against slavery. We all

1067
01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:26.159
know that. That's common history.
So yes, this country was founded on

1068
01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:31.359
a constitutional republic. It's a form
of democracy. A true democracy is what

1069
01:27:31.479 --> 01:27:35.119
happened after the French Revolution for that
series of times. And if you look

1070
01:27:35.520 --> 01:27:40.640
at the British Civil War, the
French Revolution, the Fall of Somalia,

1071
01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:46.359
and other examples listed in that article
I was referring to, Well, you

1072
01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:51.119
see where anarchy has happened through the
course of time and in recent history.

1073
01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:57.039
So yeah, there's examples out there, that's all I got. Okay,

1074
01:27:57.079 --> 01:28:01.800
I think easily there's examples of barbarism
that have occurred when you know, during

1075
01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:09.039
times of unrest and revolt, that's
definitely occurred where you know, lawless and

1076
01:28:09.640 --> 01:28:15.800
completely aggressive behavior just prevailed over certain
areas, So you could easily say that

1077
01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:20.000
happen. Funny thing I was thinking
about this too. You ever noticed that

1078
01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:24.840
if you take a look at the
different names of especially a lot of the

1079
01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:30.399
communist what we would generally describe as
very seriously communist regimes, a lot of

1080
01:28:30.479 --> 01:28:35.399
times they involved both words in their
descriptions. They're like the Democratic Republic of

1081
01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:41.640
you know, yes, what was
it? Uh, there's a bunch of

1082
01:28:41.640 --> 01:28:43.800
them in the Middle East, I
know that for sure. There's some in

1083
01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:48.079
Asia where literally that's like there,
that's their proper title. They're the Democratic

1084
01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:53.560
Republic, Communist China, North Korea. Yeah, they all have Democrats,

1085
01:28:54.239 --> 01:29:00.720
but it's usually the Democratic Republic of
something that would democratic Republic of Germany.

1086
01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:03.880
Wasn't that was the communist side of
things? That was the east side of

1087
01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:08.640
the of the Iron Curtain? I
think so? And oddly enough, wasn't

1088
01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:13.600
there also like a democratic Republican party
or a Democrat or something like that at

1089
01:29:13.640 --> 01:29:18.960
one point two during the evolution that
I think the Democratic Republicans were for slavery,

1090
01:29:19.119 --> 01:29:24.079
and then the Republicans were against slavery. Was that I don't know.

1091
01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:27.079
I read about this not too long
ago, and I don't know why I'm

1092
01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:30.439
not retaining the information, but I
seem to remember that there was a party

1093
01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:34.560
that contained both names at one point, right, I mean in America,

1094
01:29:35.560 --> 01:29:40.039
I think, yeah, I don't
know. I think it was the Jeffersonian

1095
01:29:40.079 --> 01:29:44.199
Republican Party. Was that what?
And they called themselves like the Democratic Republicans

1096
01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:46.560
or the Republican Democrats or something like
that. It was they were, Yeah,

1097
01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:50.680
they're founded in seventeen ninety two.
They finally petered out in eighteen thirty

1098
01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:55.800
four. Okay, No, I
mean I was Jefferson and James Madison started

1099
01:29:55.880 --> 01:29:58.039
him. Yeah. I mean,
I'm not trying to get involved in the

1100
01:29:58.159 --> 01:30:00.960
argument about whether we should use that
word or not. I'm just saying that

1101
01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:04.720
often it both of them are used
to describe something that none of us would

1102
01:30:04.760 --> 01:30:10.560
really want any part of, because
I think nobody is all for the well.

1103
01:30:10.600 --> 01:30:13.840
Although I got to say that purely, I don't think there's ever been

1104
01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:19.000
a pure enactment of the concept of
communism either, because that always gets corrupted

1105
01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:25.479
and becomes tyrannical as do It seems
like I don't know that that's been said.

1106
01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:29.600
You know that, well, true
communism has never really been experienced,

1107
01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:33.520
and I'm thinking, well, no, I think communism, true communism,

1108
01:30:33.600 --> 01:30:38.319
has pretty much been experienced. We've
seen it happen, we've seen it rise,

1109
01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:42.159
we've seen it fall, and now
we see it over you know,

1110
01:30:42.680 --> 01:30:47.720
two great regions of the world.
But during the fall, it's never really

1111
01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:51.239
operate, see as per usual.
And this is the problem. It's not

1112
01:30:51.439 --> 01:30:56.680
operating according to its own you know, its own rules. And there are

1113
01:30:56.840 --> 01:30:59.920
you know, oligarchs and people that
are gathering a great deal more than the

1114
01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:01.840
rest. You know, it's not
like everybody's got an equal share of stuff,

1115
01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:05.640
you know, in the commune.
It seems to happen that a way,

1116
01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:11.199
and that's usually where things spiral out
of control. It looks like to

1117
01:31:11.319 --> 01:31:15.239
me. Now again maybe it's just
my reading of the histories, but that's

1118
01:31:15.279 --> 01:31:17.439
the way it is. Even Rome, if you take a look at look,

1119
01:31:17.560 --> 01:31:20.079
Rome is supposed to be run by
the people and all that, and

1120
01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:27.079
yeah, as soon as you have
you know, people aggregating power onto themselves

1121
01:31:27.159 --> 01:31:30.640
and their own little special groups this
is the problem. You can take any

1122
01:31:30.760 --> 01:31:35.520
pure form of government in description you
can write down, you know, you

1123
01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:43.239
can take the teachings of communism,
the teachings of republicanism, however you want

1124
01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:47.239
to look at it. You know, it involves being implemented by humans.

1125
01:31:47.279 --> 01:31:51.680
And humans are fallible, and there
is a certain strain that runs through this

1126
01:31:51.800 --> 01:31:58.279
world called evil that some people don't
like to admit exists. And that's where

1127
01:31:58.359 --> 01:32:01.560
things get bent. Any philosophy on
paper will work. It's when you try

1128
01:32:01.600 --> 01:32:05.640
to apply at a real world situations
where things fail. You know. It's

1129
01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:10.359
like our own government. Yes,
we had a constitution and we had a

1130
01:32:10.399 --> 01:32:14.000
bill of rights, but looks so
how far we've strayed in just what over

1131
01:32:14.079 --> 01:32:17.119
two hundred years, how far we
have strayed from that right? And I

1132
01:32:17.199 --> 01:32:23.079
mean it's you know, anything that
is created by man will fail, plain

1133
01:32:23.159 --> 01:32:26.520
and simple. You can take it
from an engineering point of view, or

1134
01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:30.119
governmental point of view, or philosophical
point of view. Anything made by man

1135
01:32:30.279 --> 01:32:33.600
will fail. Well, there you
go. Everything is fine. Everything is

1136
01:32:33.640 --> 01:32:36.640
finite one way or another. It
has a beginning, it ends up with

1137
01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:41.920
an end. With the exception of
you know, the concept of the deity,

1138
01:32:42.000 --> 01:32:45.880
which may be outside of those rules, but all things that we create

1139
01:32:45.039 --> 01:32:48.760
or we see on this planet have
a beginning and an end, so you

1140
01:32:48.880 --> 01:32:51.960
know, that's just the way it
is. Anyways, I want to get

1141
01:32:53.000 --> 01:32:55.720
back to I'm going to Advance and
Jimmy trade a few more times, I

1142
01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:58.520
guess, and then I don't know
where we should go from there. Think

1143
01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:00.439
about how we should conclude the spe
Pete if you don't mind, come up

1144
01:33:00.479 --> 01:33:04.960
with a plan, if you would, and we'll see how we come through

1145
01:33:05.039 --> 01:33:10.479
this, because we're already about an
hour and a half deep, and you

1146
01:33:10.600 --> 01:33:15.039
know, I think this has been
interesting for sure. Want to let you

1147
01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:16.600
know, Vance get at it.
I'm not attacking anybody, by the way.

1148
01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:21.359
I'm trying to remain as objective as
possible here through this discussion and let

1149
01:33:21.439 --> 01:33:25.560
these guys go at it themselves.
Just controlling it so we don't have,

1150
01:33:26.239 --> 01:33:30.560
you know, a bit of chaos
in Sue, because that's I don't like

1151
01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:36.039
chaos. Although chaos does occasionally have
its uses, I don't want to bring

1152
01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:40.000
order out of chaos on this show. At least, I'd like to make

1153
01:33:40.039 --> 01:33:43.199
it listenable, and I think it's
gone pretty well so far, so I'm

1154
01:33:43.239 --> 01:33:45.319
happy with that. Anyway, we
also got to get back around to Harlan

1155
01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:50.600
and then we'll probably close it out
pretty soon. So think about an exit

1156
01:33:50.640 --> 01:33:55.760
strategy, if you will be Pete
while I run this once again by Vance

1157
01:33:55.840 --> 01:34:02.720
and Jimmy James. Okay, well
say, of course I try to roll

1158
01:34:02.840 --> 01:34:06.960
things on the computer screen and it
gives me issues. Anyways, Advance,

1159
01:34:08.199 --> 01:34:13.760
you're back on, and uh,
you know, try to stick to the

1160
01:34:13.920 --> 01:34:19.199
topic at hand and whatnot. But
you know, go ahead, well,

1161
01:34:19.479 --> 01:34:24.079
basically you know the topic at hand
I guess at this point is the the

1162
01:34:27.159 --> 01:34:30.760
well I just put there. Thanks
for Pete for putting in the republican versus

1163
01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:35.239
anarchy part about the you know,
one with force and one without force and

1164
01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:41.560
all that. So let's just say
we went with the republic definition of that.

1165
01:34:41.800 --> 01:34:45.960
But as I was during this street
earlier, the main reason for the

1166
01:34:46.039 --> 01:34:50.880
Constitution was to keep that power in
check and to have a very limited scope

1167
01:34:50.920 --> 01:34:55.159
of that power. And even like
right now to day, the president's got

1168
01:34:55.279 --> 01:34:59.600
powers that Jefferson and Adams and people
would be like freaking out. You know,

1169
01:34:59.680 --> 01:35:02.079
you can't and give those people those
powers and and and so you know

1170
01:35:02.239 --> 01:35:05.079
that needs to be done away with. It has to be you know,

1171
01:35:05.199 --> 01:35:10.000
it is no longer operating under that
type. You know, it is way

1172
01:35:10.039 --> 01:35:15.520
out of control and beyond the basic
principles of what could just be declared as

1173
01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:20.359
as a true republic in that sense
that if you know, it is out,

1174
01:35:20.760 --> 01:35:25.439
if it's acting beyond its means,
and it's been amended to allow them

1175
01:35:25.520 --> 01:35:30.439
to act beyond its means, and
that's been accepted as the social norm.

1176
01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:32.880
Well, you know, nothing's going
to change much if you think this is

1177
01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:38.600
just the way that's supposed to happen. And you know, it's obviously not

1178
01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:42.680
working out too well. And you
know, we've been voting, you know,

1179
01:35:43.079 --> 01:35:45.880
sixty two years I've been on this
planet, and it seems to be

1180
01:35:45.800 --> 01:35:49.279
worse off now than it's ever been, you know, and you know,

1181
01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:56.079
so there needs to be a serious
uh look at you know what it is.

1182
01:35:56.199 --> 01:36:00.119
It's actually leading to that factor.
And so if it's not really a

1183
01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:05.039
true democracy anymore as it is,
what's leaning towards that barbarism thing or you

1184
01:36:05.159 --> 01:36:11.520
know, fascism, corporatism. You
know, it seems like it's all pretty

1185
01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:14.960
much the same stuff going on that
was going on back in the in the

1186
01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:18.439
colonial times. But it's a whole
lot easier for them to do, and

1187
01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:23.199
they've got a whole lot more technology, and you know, six hundred eight

1188
01:36:23.319 --> 01:36:27.560
hundred daces all around the world,
and you know, but that's not colonialism.

1189
01:36:27.680 --> 01:36:30.479
That's just to make us all peaceful. But we're not peaceful, you

1190
01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:34.560
know, it's not it's not no
utopia that's been established by this system.

1191
01:36:34.680 --> 01:36:39.560
So you know, I just think
we need to wake up and face the

1192
01:36:39.640 --> 01:36:45.279
facts. So fair enough, I
hear you're dropping off, so I'm assuming

1193
01:36:45.279 --> 01:36:48.479
you're not going to use your last
thirty seconds. Again, I think the

1194
01:36:48.560 --> 01:36:55.560
two of you would agree, quite
honestly that, regardless of where your philosophy

1195
01:36:55.680 --> 01:37:01.079
begins, we do have a currently
non functioning system that should be behaving a

1196
01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:10.039
certain way, and we have circumstances
that are not as advertised at the moment.

1197
01:37:10.399 --> 01:37:13.119
I think that would be something that
both of you could agree on.

1198
01:37:13.880 --> 01:37:15.560
But again, I'm just trying to
get to that. So with that,

1199
01:37:15.720 --> 01:37:25.399
I'll go over to Jimmy and start
his time. Well, first off,

1200
01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:30.079
I gotta go way back to be
pe Okay, Okay, first off,

1201
01:37:30.319 --> 01:37:36.159
I'm not wrong, but that's cute. I've read the federalist papers, I've

1202
01:37:36.239 --> 01:37:42.640
read the anti federalist papers. I've
read the ladders to Jefferson, because he

1203
01:37:42.880 --> 01:37:47.000
wasn't even in the country when the
thing, the Constitution was being written.

1204
01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:54.439
He was the minister to France or
Britain. No, there's no mention of

1205
01:37:54.520 --> 01:38:00.680
a mister Kunt in any of those
documents. There's no mention of anarchism.

1206
01:38:00.920 --> 01:38:06.239
People didn't. There may have been
a guy in the seventeen hundreds, meaning

1207
01:38:06.359 --> 01:38:15.479
mister Kunt, talking about anarchist principles
and philosophies, but guess what, no

1208
01:38:15.560 --> 01:38:19.199
one knew about it, so it
never happened, kind of like the Vikings.

1209
01:38:19.560 --> 01:38:26.079
Sure they may have discovered America,
but it wasn't on the map until

1210
01:38:26.159 --> 01:38:31.199
Columbus did it. He did it, they didn't. That's reality. And

1211
01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:38.319
while we're speaking on reality. No, the Constitution wasn't made to do this,

1212
01:38:38.640 --> 01:38:42.439
that and the other thing. It
was made by the states to form

1213
01:38:43.600 --> 01:38:47.560
a country. If there had not
been a constitution, there would be no

1214
01:38:47.800 --> 01:38:55.199
America. And before they would either
talk about a const institution, they made

1215
01:38:55.239 --> 01:39:02.359
them agree that there would have to
be a bill of rights, otherwise there

1216
01:39:02.439 --> 01:39:06.760
would be no America because why would
the little states put up with tyranny from

1217
01:39:06.800 --> 01:39:14.239
the bigger states or the more populated
states, and yet things are definitely not

1218
01:39:14.560 --> 01:39:19.399
running optimal. But I can guarantee
they're running better than they are and the

1219
01:39:19.479 --> 01:39:26.279
rest of the world. I've been
there. It's a ship hole. I

1220
01:39:26.359 --> 01:39:32.840
don't want America to turn into a
shipole country. So please please put disparaging

1221
01:39:32.920 --> 01:39:42.000
your own country and help improve it. I would invite everyone listening to get

1222
01:39:42.119 --> 01:39:48.319
involved with the Convention of States movement. Thank you. And that's where you

1223
01:39:48.479 --> 01:39:58.319
end your commentary. Now, yep, unless there's some further attack, I

1224
01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:02.880
may want a coup her comment,
but okay, I'm good there. Okay,

1225
01:40:03.279 --> 01:40:08.239
so I'll put you back on hold. Each of them didn't use about

1226
01:40:08.319 --> 01:40:11.159
thirty seconds of their time of peace, so we're going to call that even

1227
01:40:12.640 --> 01:40:16.079
that's the way I'm running it.
So be pete. I get a rebuttal

1228
01:40:16.159 --> 01:40:20.840
though I'm pulling right. Uh,
okay, you're you're a rebuttal. And

1229
01:40:21.039 --> 01:40:25.600
if you I since I assume it's
going to be a rebuttal to what Jimmy

1230
01:40:25.680 --> 01:40:29.239
James had to say. Uh,
looks to me like I gotta I gotta

1231
01:40:29.279 --> 01:40:32.359
open his line back up and not
go to vance next and we'll just see

1232
01:40:32.359 --> 01:40:38.039
where from. This is just a
simple point This is the first known political

1233
01:40:38.199 --> 01:40:42.199
usage of the word anarchy, which
is Ancient Greek, appeared in plays by

1234
01:40:42.319 --> 01:40:49.479
Ashleyston Sophoky Sophocles in the fifth century
BC. Ancient Greece also saw the first

1235
01:40:49.560 --> 01:40:56.239
Western instance of anarchy as a philosophical
ideal, mainly but not only, by

1236
01:40:56.279 --> 01:41:00.720
the Cynics and the Stoics. So
it's as old as dirt. When you

1237
01:41:00.840 --> 01:41:04.199
get a PC after it, you've
been around a while. I want to

1238
01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:08.279
hear anything about, Oh, it
didn't exist until a certain amount of time.

1239
01:41:08.319 --> 01:41:12.319
It's been around since they had words. Thank you. Yeah. His

1240
01:41:12.840 --> 01:41:15.359
thing was, it's not in the
constitution, it's not in our papers.

1241
01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:20.199
But did it exist as a point
of discussion, as an idea, as

1242
01:41:20.279 --> 01:41:25.560
something that was attempted to be instituted
in various ways? I would say that

1243
01:41:25.640 --> 01:41:30.439
some of the Greek city states attempted
all sorts of different ideas, organizations,

1244
01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:35.520
governmental principles. And you can't say
that we don't have some of our stuff

1245
01:41:35.560 --> 01:41:41.119
here in the US based on the
Greek or more directly the Roman system.

1246
01:41:42.039 --> 01:41:45.880
We even have a capitol hill just
like they had in Rome. We have

1247
01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:53.279
a senate like they had in Rome. Just saying there are certain things that

1248
01:41:53.319 --> 01:41:59.840
were adapted and adopted from earlier ideas
literal constructs or philosophies. And yeah,

1249
01:42:00.319 --> 01:42:03.920
the Greeks talked about anarchism, I
mean it comes from but there their words.

1250
01:42:04.920 --> 01:42:10.199
But was it part of the formation
of the United States. I think

1251
01:42:10.239 --> 01:42:15.039
that's what Jimmy James was saying.
It wasn't part of that because he doesn't

1252
01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:20.840
go with the idea that Vance has
said that well, it was inspired by

1253
01:42:21.079 --> 01:42:27.159
the ideas. The ideals that were
being put forth by the founding Fathers were

1254
01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:32.640
inspired by this concept that people should
be free and not simply forced to do

1255
01:42:32.840 --> 01:42:38.640
things. I think that's where Vance
was going. That's where he was going.

1256
01:42:39.319 --> 01:42:44.520
But Jimmy, Jimmy has spoken for
himself on this, and there you

1257
01:42:44.680 --> 01:42:47.359
go. I feel like we've concluded
with everything. But I should probably let

1258
01:42:47.439 --> 01:42:53.960
him come back on and answer what
it was you had to say there and

1259
01:42:54.199 --> 01:42:57.039
see if that's what his point of
clarification is. But I also want to

1260
01:42:57.079 --> 01:43:01.720
get back around to Harlan, so
I won't ask you, Bpete. Actually,

1261
01:43:01.720 --> 01:43:05.000
I'll just let Jimmy James back on
for a quick pass at this,

1262
01:43:05.560 --> 01:43:08.880
and then I'll go to Harland after
that, and then we'll see where we're

1263
01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:13.760
at, because we're probably getting towards
the end of the show here and I'm

1264
01:43:13.800 --> 01:43:15.319
not sure what we accomplished. Maybe
we got a trade back and forth a

1265
01:43:15.359 --> 01:43:18.840
little more. I'll check with Advance
also see if he's got anything else he

1266
01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:23.920
wants to add before we're done for
sure. But let's go to Jimmy James

1267
01:43:24.119 --> 01:43:28.279
first. I'm so slow on these
buttons tonight. I'm sorry about that,

1268
01:43:28.399 --> 01:43:32.079
guys. I'm trying to give everybody
equal and proper time. So Jimmy James,

1269
01:43:33.720 --> 01:43:39.119
I figured I just go to you
first. Yeah, ahead, your

1270
01:43:39.239 --> 01:43:43.600
summation, they'll do the of course, that's what I meant. And yeah,

1271
01:43:43.920 --> 01:43:48.880
the word exists to before, so
did the word pharmacia. And if

1272
01:43:48.960 --> 01:43:55.800
you just said that to h Thomas
Jefferson, you just said, well,

1273
01:43:56.079 --> 01:44:03.359
pharmacia do you too, motherfucker?
Maybe a pharmacy. Pharmacy is a yeah,

1274
01:44:03.359 --> 01:44:08.199
another Greek construct, and that's where
you got your magical stuff from,

1275
01:44:09.920 --> 01:44:16.279
so you know it. Yeah,
well, no, I feel like there's

1276
01:44:16.359 --> 01:44:23.279
one other thing, just like covering, I'm supposed to mention. Sure.

1277
01:44:24.479 --> 01:44:28.359
No, Basically, like I've always
said, every one of us is some

1278
01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:34.199
form of libertarians. Are we not
all of us would rather have more power

1279
01:44:34.279 --> 01:44:39.600
in the hands of us than the
government. We all agree on this,

1280
01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:45.439
I think, unless we have some
kind of hidden tyrants somewhere, see everybody

1281
01:44:45.560 --> 01:44:47.720
that pretty much everybody who puts up
with me, Jimmy, James and at

1282
01:44:47.800 --> 01:44:53.439
all and winds up coming around here
pretty much has some sort of libertarian ben

1283
01:44:54.760 --> 01:44:58.279
because that's at the bottom of it
all, is that one way or another,

1284
01:44:59.359 --> 01:45:02.800
I feel we should be able to
determine the you know, be choices

1285
01:45:02.840 --> 01:45:06.920
in our own lives a lot more
than some governmental agency. I think we

1286
01:45:08.079 --> 01:45:11.880
have a right to that by virtue
of our creation. I would say,

1287
01:45:12.119 --> 01:45:15.880
you know, be pizza uses the
word God, and that's fine, that's

1288
01:45:15.920 --> 01:45:19.359
fair enough too. But whoever you
think created you is fine. You were

1289
01:45:19.479 --> 01:45:23.920
created at some point, even if
it's just from your parents getting together,

1290
01:45:24.239 --> 01:45:28.319
you were created. So by virtue
of your creation, even if you are

1291
01:45:28.439 --> 01:45:33.239
an atheist, Yeah, you have
these rights and they should be supreme,

1292
01:45:34.479 --> 01:45:38.800
whether they're on a piece of paper
or not. That's the way I feel

1293
01:45:38.840 --> 01:45:42.960
about it. But we could all
vary. The interesting thing with libertarianism and

1294
01:45:43.079 --> 01:45:45.199
the the thing I've always got to
go over with them, and it always

1295
01:45:45.239 --> 01:45:48.359
bothers me is that you know,
it's like, yeah, I agree with

1296
01:45:48.479 --> 01:45:51.600
you almost all the way there,
until we get to a point where there's

1297
01:45:51.600 --> 01:45:56.520
some sort of dispute. Then what
And they go, well, then that's

1298
01:45:56.560 --> 01:45:59.119
when you go to court, And
I go, oh, there is a

1299
01:45:59.319 --> 01:46:05.000
whole other problem. They're going to
the court, you know, And and

1300
01:46:05.359 --> 01:46:09.159
this this is where I want to
know. How is it that we would

1301
01:46:09.199 --> 01:46:13.039
settle disputes? Because there will be
disputes, there will be injured parties,

1302
01:46:13.079 --> 01:46:17.560
there will be damaged and taken property
at certain points that will happen, which

1303
01:46:19.039 --> 01:46:25.520
which could lead to legal legalism,
which isn't no good. That's where my

1304
01:46:25.720 --> 01:46:29.920
problem is. Because you let them
run society. Oh boy, you want

1305
01:46:29.960 --> 01:46:33.520
to see what tyranny and barbarism really
looks like. I figure, if we

1306
01:46:33.680 --> 01:46:41.079
let them run at wholesale, we'll
we'll see it all and mostly by people

1307
01:46:41.119 --> 01:46:44.239
who will you know, the whole
philosophy of hey, hire half the poor

1308
01:46:44.279 --> 01:46:47.000
to kill the other half. That's
the kind of thing that those kind of

1309
01:46:47.039 --> 01:46:53.079
minds do. Right. You asked
me once what you said, Well,

1310
01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:58.279
there's a constitutional party, how can
you garnage? Didn't that or I looked

1311
01:46:58.359 --> 01:47:01.760
into it? But the way I
look at them as they are far too

1312
01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:10.119
legalistic, whereas I'm quote more in
the good sense libertarian, not in the

1313
01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:17.079
sense of necessarily that parties believe.
I'm just saying libertarianism, I should say.

1314
01:47:18.439 --> 01:47:24.119
And it's the only party I've ever
registered to vote under. Technically speaking,

1315
01:47:24.319 --> 01:47:29.000
I've registered as an independent and a
libertarian, nothing else, which you

1316
01:47:29.039 --> 01:47:32.960
know, meant that I was never
involved in primaries. But yeah, just

1317
01:47:33.079 --> 01:47:36.800
saying, just for the record again, that's the only parties I've ever registered

1318
01:47:36.840 --> 01:47:42.600
with. Matter of fact, the
last I still have not registered to vote

1319
01:47:42.640 --> 01:47:45.439
in the state of Georgia. The
last registration I would have, I bet

1320
01:47:45.479 --> 01:47:50.159
your BP could find it would be
as a Libertarian in North Carolina. All

1321
01:47:50.239 --> 01:47:53.920
right, So with that, Jimmy
James, I'm gonna put you on hold.

1322
01:47:56.720 --> 01:47:59.279
Excuse me, I didn't mean to
cough in your guy's ears, those

1323
01:47:59.319 --> 01:48:01.399
of you listening out there. I
want to go back around to Harlan and

1324
01:48:01.479 --> 01:48:04.960
then check them went in with Vans
and uh. Then we're gonna be getting

1325
01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:08.720
pretty close to our time limit.
I don't know if we want to go

1326
01:48:08.800 --> 01:48:12.319
over it a little bit tonight.
We could, but I don't want to

1327
01:48:12.319 --> 01:48:15.119
go too far over it, but
just a little doesn't bother me. Anyways,

1328
01:48:15.319 --> 01:48:17.760
Let's go over to Harlan and be
Pete. I don't know if you

1329
01:48:17.880 --> 01:48:21.319
got something else you want to comment
on, but I figure after Harlan you

1330
01:48:21.439 --> 01:48:25.079
could go and we should check back
in with Vans to make sure that we've

1331
01:48:25.159 --> 01:48:28.399
kind of concluded most of this for
at least what we can do with a

1332
01:48:28.439 --> 01:48:33.560
couple hours on my show, Harlan, did you choke down that waffle house

1333
01:48:33.680 --> 01:48:36.279
yet? Did you get that down? Whatever you got from there, which

1334
01:48:36.319 --> 01:48:43.239
had to include some hash Browns?
Probably Okay, Yeah, I've already done.

1335
01:48:43.279 --> 01:48:45.199
I eat, I've done a lot
to sparking a lot, went inside

1336
01:48:45.239 --> 01:48:48.279
and took a thump, come back
out right here and smoke time. I

1337
01:48:48.359 --> 01:48:53.000
can say great time. I got
back around. But I'm sorry, man.

1338
01:48:53.159 --> 01:48:57.319
Look, we had this debate that
apparently needed to be had, so

1339
01:48:57.479 --> 01:49:02.600
I tried to have it and tried
to control it best I could. Something.

1340
01:49:02.640 --> 01:49:05.680
Therefore, I forget about it.
I've been made it sing last couple

1341
01:49:05.720 --> 01:49:11.359
of weeks. When we go to
break about une about it, if we

1342
01:49:11.479 --> 01:49:15.359
got somewhere to say, or we're
gonna kiss something out out to talk about

1343
01:49:15.399 --> 01:49:18.680
something that we can do that would
just say, can I like to read?

1344
01:49:18.720 --> 01:49:23.520
If you know what? I probably
should do that, But when I

1345
01:49:23.680 --> 01:49:26.920
used to, sometimes I would have
a hard time getting everybody's attention, like

1346
01:49:26.960 --> 01:49:30.119
I want to go back to air
now, guys, uh, and everybody

1347
01:49:30.159 --> 01:49:33.840
would continue talking. And that's sometimes
how I ended up with like ten minute

1348
01:49:33.880 --> 01:49:39.159
breaks because I'm sitting there trying to
get in between everybody. But yeah,

1349
01:49:39.199 --> 01:49:42.600
I'll do that. I'll start doing
that during the breaks. I'll un mute

1350
01:49:42.640 --> 01:49:46.359
everybody that why not? What the
hell? Uh, it's not like it's

1351
01:49:46.399 --> 01:49:53.039
gonna be on listening. We gonna
slip missus. I will fifty or something

1352
01:49:53.199 --> 01:50:00.479
to get hurt to break it.
I look, I don't want to encourage

1353
01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:04.760
her to do anything during the breaks
anymore. Caused me enough trouble. Uh.

1354
01:50:05.920 --> 01:50:11.119
I'll leave that at that. But
yeah, yeah, I got you

1355
01:50:11.199 --> 01:50:13.920
don't know I can do that,
Harlan, Anything else you got on your

1356
01:50:13.960 --> 01:50:17.880
mind or anything you want to add
into the discussion. What hell I've forgot

1357
01:50:17.920 --> 01:50:21.039
about most of it? An?
How you know my memories getting more?

1358
01:50:21.119 --> 01:50:25.039
You know, it's it's slipping a
lay a little bit more all the time.

1359
01:50:25.119 --> 01:50:29.159
But I will slay back to my
original question. You know, Jimmy.

1360
01:50:29.159 --> 01:50:32.520
In my original comment, I will
start out, I felt like,

1361
01:50:32.720 --> 01:50:36.319
for you know, many years,
I feel like I'm a high fass libertarian

1362
01:50:36.399 --> 01:50:44.239
myself. You know, the decent
part of libertarianism stay out of other people's

1363
01:50:44.279 --> 01:50:48.079
business. I think bothering you don't
bother mawn so forth, so long.

1364
01:50:49.119 --> 01:50:54.279
I don't believe in this, you
know, ruled by lawsuits and just another

1365
01:50:54.520 --> 01:51:00.239
grief. You know a lot of
these just straight up just they're just hucking

1366
01:51:00.279 --> 01:51:04.399
crooks, is the best way.
That's what I get from. You know,

1367
01:51:04.520 --> 01:51:11.119
they're just looking for like some hierarchy, you know that let some chicken

1368
01:51:11.199 --> 01:51:15.079
shit smile business in the big corporations
run. You know, they're wanting a

1369
01:51:15.119 --> 01:51:20.399
well fire off of young crony captas
or you know, set up a situation

1370
01:51:20.600 --> 01:51:26.880
where you know, you can't buy
anything that it doesn't cost a arm and

1371
01:51:26.920 --> 01:51:30.119
a leg or a pension, you
know, so to speak. But back

1372
01:51:30.159 --> 01:51:33.720
to my original comments, Jimmy,
I really don't feel like I don't know

1373
01:51:33.760 --> 01:51:40.279
if he didn't understand my question or
what. But you know all these things

1374
01:51:40.479 --> 01:51:43.720
that you said, I'm here in
the same old think. Well the Democrats

1375
01:51:43.880 --> 01:51:47.279
this, the Democrats at well,
you know, in these red state utopias.

1376
01:51:47.560 --> 01:51:54.880
As far as I'm concerned, Tennessee
is a lot more supermatority than what

1377
01:51:55.119 --> 01:52:00.840
Georgia is. Texas is probably more
supermanture than what Georgia is. But that's

1378
01:52:00.920 --> 01:52:06.239
just two, you know, easy
pickings, easy point in mount states.

1379
01:52:06.880 --> 01:52:12.479
Why are we not living in a
rich state utopia? Why do we gonna

1380
01:52:12.560 --> 01:52:16.800
have all this stuff they've campaigned on
for years? Then when they get there,

1381
01:52:16.920 --> 01:52:21.560
they do nothing. Let's like,
you know, you could probably you

1382
01:52:21.680 --> 01:52:26.680
know, slip around and say this
that mother about Trump's first two years when

1383
01:52:26.720 --> 01:52:32.079
he had majorities and both houses of
converse plus the Supreme Court. But we

1384
01:52:32.159 --> 01:52:36.600
won't get started talking on his flip
flopping on his abortions this week. I

1385
01:52:36.640 --> 01:52:40.720
don't guess we've got timeless you want
to come back to that. But anyway,

1386
01:52:41.119 --> 01:52:45.239
little little thing Harlan real quick though, he did say, well real

1387
01:52:45.319 --> 01:52:47.000
quick. He did say he wants
to move to West Virginia, I think,

1388
01:52:47.079 --> 01:52:50.720
which would be a red state also, and he does think that it's

1389
01:52:50.760 --> 01:52:58.199
better there than where it is she's
at. Yeah, so what I want

1390
01:52:58.319 --> 01:53:00.000
I'll get back to West Virginia,
and I say it. I just like

1391
01:53:00.159 --> 01:53:04.399
to know why has they never been
a time, and we've started a new

1392
01:53:04.560 --> 01:53:10.119
legislature, and some of these red
states or even back when you know Trump

1393
01:53:10.319 --> 01:53:16.640
was elected and took the throne in
twenty seventeen, but especially in supermajority red

1394
01:53:16.760 --> 01:53:19.439
states, why don't they come up
and say, hold it, folks,

1395
01:53:19.760 --> 01:53:24.800
right here it is. We have
arrived, and they're gonna sit down for

1396
01:53:24.920 --> 01:53:29.720
two or three weeks or a month
and go down and pass all this stuff.

1397
01:53:30.479 --> 01:53:32.079
They're supposed to make it a red
state. You've told you of the

1398
01:53:32.119 --> 01:53:36.079
stuff to take fund raised off of, the grifted off of with a grifting

1399
01:53:36.159 --> 01:53:42.720
for dollars, drifting for boats.
Why has that never happened? You said

1400
01:53:42.800 --> 01:53:48.239
a few three weeks ago something about
why would Arkansas date thirty pro life builds

1401
01:53:48.439 --> 01:53:53.039
here? Again? That's that red
meat flipping that, you know, flipping

1402
01:53:53.079 --> 01:53:56.079
them something back, you know,
giving them back a little bit, you

1403
01:53:56.159 --> 01:54:00.920
know, to the giving them will
do that gimmick. But war is you

1404
01:54:01.039 --> 01:54:05.800
know you freedom of speech across the
boat were some of these laws, you

1405
01:54:05.880 --> 01:54:10.640
know, coming out of some of
these social media platforms that were discussed.

1406
01:54:12.239 --> 01:54:16.159
And to the point about West Virginia. The only time that I ever really

1407
01:54:16.239 --> 01:54:20.640
thought West Virginia was a big deal
was back when I first started driving,

1408
01:54:20.720 --> 01:54:26.600
at first two or three months,
when most everything was up in the northeast.

1409
01:54:27.199 --> 01:54:30.840
And when you got to West Virginia, you've seen a speed limit signed

1410
01:54:30.880 --> 01:54:33.439
it said seventy miles an Now,
man, you thought, you know,

1411
01:54:33.560 --> 01:54:40.039
you've got someone and unfortunately one of
them to sin to tie this isle in

1412
01:54:41.479 --> 01:54:45.159
is you've got people that thinks in
a lot of cases when you see these

1413
01:54:45.199 --> 01:54:48.039
flag labors, you know when they
standing narrow for flag in one hand in

1414
01:54:48.119 --> 01:54:53.960
the Bible and the other stealing all
this rhetoric and you know, slanging the

1415
01:54:54.079 --> 01:54:58.239
all these gimmicks around. Well,
okay, Jimmy, when you're moving from

1416
01:54:58.319 --> 01:55:02.000
Michigan to West Virginia, you probably
think that's a big thing. Me personally,

1417
01:55:02.960 --> 01:55:06.039
I do not. Are you moving
us a little bit? But moving

1418
01:55:06.119 --> 01:55:12.760
West Virginia you probably are. But
West Virginia at one of other places,

1419
01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:17.680
it's just better than some other places
up north. The same way, just

1420
01:55:17.960 --> 01:55:26.880
like basically West Virginia is you know
somebody's cousin that lived up north to kind

1421
01:55:26.920 --> 01:55:30.399
of move down the road, you
know, and they got a little bit

1422
01:55:30.479 --> 01:55:32.960
better pot. You know, they
got some moonshine. But it's just like

1423
01:55:33.199 --> 01:55:36.880
Idaho. Is Idaho better than the
rest of the West Coast? Is it

1424
01:55:38.039 --> 01:55:41.319
more freer? Yes? It is, but it's not what people thanks that,

1425
01:55:41.479 --> 01:55:45.800
HIDDI. Yeah, I always find
that interesting. I've actually got friends

1426
01:55:45.840 --> 01:55:50.960
who went to Idaho, people I
went to school with and stuff, and

1427
01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:55.600
they decided to live there. And
I constantly hear about how, you know,

1428
01:55:55.720 --> 01:56:00.159
people are fleeing from Camifornia, California, which by away made a huge

1429
01:56:00.199 --> 01:56:05.119
mistake and did not realize Nature Boy
wanted to join via Skype and totally you

1430
01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:14.079
know, got got into this debate
thing and just missed him. Anyways,

1431
01:56:14.079 --> 01:56:16.720
are entertainment, Yeah, I mean
I forgot to add him, so I

1432
01:56:16.840 --> 01:56:20.159
messed up. Anyway, Sorry,
Nature Boy. I'll get you in next

1433
01:56:20.199 --> 01:56:25.560
week because we're gonna be way out
of time here. I guess I should

1434
01:56:25.640 --> 01:56:28.359
let Jimmy James answer that. I
want to get back around advance though,

1435
01:56:28.479 --> 01:56:31.039
But Jimmy so organized your thoughts.
Maybe you want to say something back to

1436
01:56:31.199 --> 01:56:36.880
Harlan, but be pete. I
don't know. It's interesting to me when

1437
01:56:38.199 --> 01:56:41.079
there's all these mass movements. It's
better to go here, it's better to

1438
01:56:41.199 --> 01:56:45.159
go there, And that does happen
from time to time. I saw mass

1439
01:56:45.239 --> 01:56:49.359
movements from you know, the northeast
to Florida for retirement purposes. I saw

1440
01:56:49.439 --> 01:56:56.439
people then suddenly decide that South Carolina
and North Carolina to a lesser degree,

1441
01:56:56.479 --> 01:57:00.479
but South Carolina especially was a great
haven for them because they would have freedom,

1442
01:57:00.520 --> 01:57:04.159
their money would go further, stuff
like that. And there were exoduses

1443
01:57:04.560 --> 01:57:10.479
from certain areas. And I see
that, and people move And I gotta

1444
01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:15.279
tell you, after a little while, things shuffle around. And I don't

1445
01:57:15.319 --> 01:57:17.760
know how much does it improve when
people move around. I can't. I

1446
01:57:17.840 --> 01:57:21.039
mean, I I constantly complain about
certain things where I am in the South,

1447
01:57:21.439 --> 01:57:27.520
about food and things, But in
reality, there's certain things that are

1448
01:57:27.560 --> 01:57:30.800
better here than they were in Jersey. As far as you know, the

1449
01:57:30.840 --> 01:57:35.119
people run in the joint, it's
a lot easier on me. I'd take

1450
01:57:35.199 --> 01:57:43.199
Kemp over Chris Christie any day,
as strange as that might sound. You

1451
01:57:43.279 --> 01:57:45.880
know, I'd rather have a beer
with Chris Christie. I'd rather talk to

1452
01:57:45.000 --> 01:57:50.039
Chris Christie. But but you know, the way this is run, it's

1453
01:57:50.039 --> 01:57:55.000
a little easier on me in some
ways. It's harder on me in a

1454
01:57:55.119 --> 01:57:58.119
lot of other ways. It's a
mixed bag. It seems like, you

1455
01:57:58.199 --> 01:58:01.000
know what it's trade offs when you
make a move like that, and I

1456
01:58:01.039 --> 01:58:04.880
don't know. I guess that your
experience may vary if that's the thing you're

1457
01:58:04.920 --> 01:58:10.079
looking for. I don't know.
West Virginia was definitely a weird place to

1458
01:58:10.159 --> 01:58:14.479
end up in when I was traveling
for a bit by car. It definitely

1459
01:58:14.560 --> 01:58:18.680
felt like a change to me when
I got there. Certainly the behavior was

1460
01:58:19.039 --> 01:58:23.560
way different than it was in the
Northeast for me, just like Harlan was

1461
01:58:23.640 --> 01:58:27.640
explaining. But I don't know,
you know, doesn't really change things.

1462
01:58:27.960 --> 01:58:30.199
After all, you take your grievances
with you a lot of times, and

1463
01:58:31.079 --> 01:58:36.039
you know, the actual experience of
doing something does vary sometimes from what the

1464
01:58:36.239 --> 01:58:40.359
idea of it is, and I
often bring that up to people when they

1465
01:58:40.399 --> 01:58:45.199
talk about having kids. Anyway,
I'll put Harlan on hold. I think

1466
01:58:45.199 --> 01:58:47.560
I should get back around advance and
also let Jimmy James answer, and then

1467
01:58:47.640 --> 01:58:51.600
maybe we'll be done for the night. To be Pete. Unless you got

1468
01:58:51.680 --> 01:58:56.600
something else in mind, what do
you think? Well, that sounds good,

1469
01:58:56.640 --> 01:58:59.199
but I would like to clarify one
thing that was said earlier when I

1470
01:58:59.279 --> 01:59:01.119
said that, you know, still
was pretty much have a libertarian bent to

1471
01:59:01.239 --> 01:59:06.359
some degree. Well yeah, maybe
under this current regime. But I would

1472
01:59:06.399 --> 01:59:12.640
love to be a dictator and rule
with an iron fist. See now,

1473
01:59:13.000 --> 01:59:15.600
now you're getting into something that I
think universally happens with most people that have

1474
01:59:15.720 --> 01:59:21.640
strong opinions. Almost everybody thinks in
their mind they have the great dictator answer.

1475
01:59:23.239 --> 01:59:26.680
If I just ran everything I know
best, like you know all that

1476
01:59:26.760 --> 01:59:30.119
stuff that Trump used to say,
I alone can fix this. I know

1477
01:59:30.239 --> 01:59:32.479
what to do. I think there's
some part No, no, no,

1478
01:59:32.840 --> 01:59:35.319
no, don't get me wrong.
I'm not saying I have that. No,

1479
01:59:36.039 --> 01:59:40.680
it's not about fixing anything. It's
ruling with an iron fist. Oh

1480
01:59:40.920 --> 01:59:45.960
that's the subject of the day.
So you just want to rule. Oh

1481
01:59:45.079 --> 01:59:48.680
yeah, screw fixing anything. If
I'm in charge, nothing needs to work.

1482
01:59:49.239 --> 01:59:53.560
Okay, Hey, look, everybody's
got their own motivations. Cool,

1483
01:59:53.680 --> 01:59:56.640
all right. But but either way, I think there's some part of everybody's

1484
01:59:56.680 --> 02:00:00.359
ego or personality if they have strong
opinions, that's as uh, I know

1485
02:00:00.600 --> 02:00:04.479
how to do this the right way. How about that, whether it's just

1486
02:00:04.680 --> 02:00:11.199
a rule with an iron fist way
because it's my way, Well, but

1487
02:00:11.399 --> 02:00:15.720
that's the thing, is your way
is better right in your mind, whether

1488
02:00:15.800 --> 02:00:20.039
it really is and how bad that
could be. I think it'd be pretty

1489
02:00:20.039 --> 02:00:25.560
good. But Dave, that's neither
here nor there. Okay, So be

1490
02:00:25.720 --> 02:00:29.680
Pete would be a dictator with an
iron fist given the chance. Uh,

1491
02:00:30.039 --> 02:00:34.560
just you know I would like to
be you know, I would like to

1492
02:00:34.640 --> 02:00:39.039
be the benevolent dictator. How about
that? You know, the guy who's

1493
02:00:39.079 --> 02:00:41.239
like, oh, look at how
generous he is. I I want to

1494
02:00:41.279 --> 02:00:44.359
be that guy. Well, I
got a couple of cabinet positions I'm thinking

1495
02:00:44.359 --> 02:00:49.439
about, so nice. Thank you. So the day that we get be

1496
02:00:49.560 --> 02:00:55.079
Pete the dictator, watch out because
I might be part of it. Thank

1497
02:00:55.159 --> 02:00:58.520
you. I appreciate that. So
should we get Yeah, let me go

1498
02:00:58.600 --> 02:01:02.840
around the vance real quick. This
is too funny. I like how we

1499
02:01:02.920 --> 02:01:08.640
can still have fun with this?
Why not vance? We're getting close to

1500
02:01:08.720 --> 02:01:11.960
closing out business pretty much, so
uh, And I know I got to

1501
02:01:11.960 --> 02:01:15.159
get back around at Jimmy James because
Harlan had a few things to say to

1502
02:01:15.279 --> 02:01:19.119
him. So anything you want to
add here before I let Jimmy answer Harlan?

1503
02:01:23.199 --> 02:01:29.560
Basically, Uh, Dad onto b
Pezzer buttle about the anarchy existing and

1504
02:01:29.640 --> 02:01:36.800
all that it definitely goes back to
Greece and in the there was originally kind

1505
02:01:36.840 --> 02:01:45.079
of first practiced and during the year
of the Tyrants for DC, when there

1506
02:01:45.199 --> 02:01:50.479
was no ARCon In in Greece.
So the natural rights and the principles of

1507
02:01:50.520 --> 02:01:55.920
anarchy have been around, you know, definitely since those time with Socrates and

1508
02:01:56.000 --> 02:02:00.279
Plato and all of that. And
Jimmy James mentioned John Locke, and you

1509
02:02:00.359 --> 02:02:05.439
know, John Locke was a big
proponent of natural rights and uh lots of

1510
02:02:05.760 --> 02:02:11.680
socratical type of stuff, and so
I'm sure he's probably a lot more closer

1511
02:02:11.760 --> 02:02:16.720
to anarchy and anarchist than the Jimmy
James would like to believe. And you

1512
02:02:16.800 --> 02:02:24.880
know, to to Harlan's comment or
adding and while ago about you know,

1513
02:02:25.000 --> 02:02:28.520
why can't you just go to that
state and you know, be because we

1514
02:02:28.600 --> 02:02:32.439
are no longer a functioning republic.
The federal government is the tyrant. That

1515
02:02:32.640 --> 02:02:39.600
the federal government is the tyrannical beast. The United Nations, all that is

1516
02:02:39.680 --> 02:02:45.840
a criminal enterprise, the Federal Reserve, the fractional banking system, bis,

1517
02:02:46.680 --> 02:02:50.800
all of it. And you know, so that's we got to face it

1518
02:02:50.880 --> 02:02:54.800
if we want to change it,
because you know, theyre we are not

1519
02:02:54.960 --> 02:02:58.640
pulling the strings. Doesn't matter who
they elect up there, the people that

1520
02:02:58.720 --> 02:03:02.199
are pulling the strings are going to
pull in the strings until we understand that

1521
02:03:02.279 --> 02:03:06.079
we don't need them. They need
us to need them, and they do

1522
02:03:06.279 --> 02:03:13.800
that by fomenting all these divisions and
disparities and getting you to blame your problems

1523
02:03:13.880 --> 02:03:18.239
on the immigrants and and everything.
So you know that that's the realization.

1524
02:03:18.600 --> 02:03:23.279
We are not in a republic anymore. This is a tyrannical situation. We've

1525
02:03:23.319 --> 02:03:29.399
got the government force people to take
vaccines that are killing babies and people.

1526
02:03:30.000 --> 02:03:32.479
So I mean, come on,
man, I mean, it's just blowing

1527
02:03:32.560 --> 02:03:40.199
my mind at this point that you
know, this is even how could even

1528
02:03:40.279 --> 02:03:43.560
get this far? You know how
how stupid are we are. So I'm

1529
02:03:43.600 --> 02:03:46.920
sorry, I'll let that go.
Well, there you have it, and

1530
02:03:47.359 --> 02:03:49.800
Vance I'll put you on hold.
But again, I say, Rascheman,

1531
02:03:50.359 --> 02:03:56.119
the effect is in effect because everybody
sees this a little differently, right,

1532
02:03:56.840 --> 02:03:59.920
Uh. It is fascinating to me, And I pointed out on Twitter earlier

1533
02:04:00.159 --> 02:04:05.079
today, I think I hashtagged it
can can America get any dumber? When

1534
02:04:05.199 --> 02:04:10.359
I see that? You know,
the CIA trained Anderson Cooper is out there,

1535
02:04:11.800 --> 02:04:14.279
you know, doing a whole hour
tonight I think it was, or

1536
02:04:14.319 --> 02:04:17.119
maybe it's tomorrow night. I don't
know. He's doing some special where he

1537
02:04:17.239 --> 02:04:21.920
wants to focus on the fringe of
conspiracy theory and how bad has it gotten

1538
02:04:23.119 --> 02:04:28.159
and the people that are waiting still
for JFK and JFK Jr. To re

1539
02:04:28.319 --> 02:04:34.239
emerge from their faked deaths. Yeah, Anderson Cooper's actually gonna bring that to

1540
02:04:34.359 --> 02:04:42.159
this CNN. Okay. I know
that there's going to be a high rated

1541
02:04:42.159 --> 02:04:45.159
audience at some point. I'm gonna
try and watch it just to see what

1542
02:04:45.239 --> 02:04:47.119
the hell they're talking about. But
I'm sure it's going to begin with that

1543
02:04:47.279 --> 02:04:51.279
idiocy that occurred what was it a
year or two ago on Deeley Plaza.

1544
02:04:53.119 --> 02:04:57.159
They were waiting for JFK Jr.
To come back from the dead and join

1545
02:04:57.239 --> 02:05:01.119
Trump right there in Dallas on the
anniversary of the assassination, and in fact,

1546
02:05:01.199 --> 02:05:03.640
his dad might have showed up with
him. Because they're waiting for both

1547
02:05:03.720 --> 02:05:09.439
of them to re emerge from their
faked debts. There are people with a

1548
02:05:09.520 --> 02:05:14.720
straight face believe this. So is
it in the water. I don't know.

1549
02:05:15.479 --> 02:05:19.079
There's something wrong, though, there
is something wrong with people's ability to

1550
02:05:19.159 --> 02:05:26.680
critically think if they wholeheartedly believe in
that. And I had to ask Anderson

1551
02:05:26.720 --> 02:05:29.800
Cooper directly on Twitter, and I
doubt he answered me. I haven't checked,

1552
02:05:29.840 --> 02:05:32.640
but I doubt he answered me.
Is this out of a CIA handbook

1553
02:05:32.800 --> 02:05:35.199
or is this, you know,
something you came up with on your own?

1554
02:05:35.439 --> 02:05:41.199
Really, because I mean, this
is just the perfect thing to put

1555
02:05:41.279 --> 02:05:47.239
out there for stupidity, to get
us rolling toward the inevitable JFK solution that

1556
02:05:47.399 --> 02:05:51.239
I'm sure National Geographic as a program
I haven't checked yet, but I'm sure

1557
02:05:51.319 --> 02:05:55.960
National Geographic as a program for it. The other cable channels will rerun their

1558
02:05:56.000 --> 02:05:59.880
stuff if they didn't develop a new
one. I'm sure there'll be specials on

1559
02:06:00.039 --> 02:06:03.520
it because of the sixtieth anniversary,
and it's gonna be a whole lot of

1560
02:06:03.680 --> 02:06:10.720
once again having to argue with the
official conclusion versus all of us crazy people.

1561
02:06:11.840 --> 02:06:15.239
And that's the way it's going to
continue, because it's been effective so

1562
02:06:15.399 --> 02:06:20.279
far to keep us from I don't
know, actually investigating this properly having the

1563
02:06:20.840 --> 02:06:29.359
powers that are allegedly are do their
jobs about this. Yeah, So that

1564
02:06:29.520 --> 02:06:31.880
kind of sums it up for me. But I'm gonna let Jimmy James in

1565
02:06:32.239 --> 02:06:36.600
to respond to a couple of things
that were brought up, and then I

1566
02:06:36.680 --> 02:06:40.720
think I'm gonna get a final word
from everybody or something like that, or

1567
02:06:40.760 --> 02:06:44.359
maybe I'll just close it out.
We'll see where we end up. But

1568
02:06:44.760 --> 02:06:46.960
Bpe, get ready to close out
the show. We'll do it soon.

1569
02:06:47.640 --> 02:06:53.000
We are a little bit over two
hours, so we've done our job for

1570
02:06:53.039 --> 02:06:56.880
the night the way I see it, And I did my best to marshal

1571
02:06:57.039 --> 02:07:00.960
the discussion a bit guide it,
but not control it as far as the

1572
02:07:01.039 --> 02:07:04.840
content. Wanted these two guys to
speak for themselves who had a bit of

1573
02:07:04.880 --> 02:07:09.359
a okay, it wasn't a controversy, but a bit of a back and

1574
02:07:09.439 --> 02:07:13.399
forth in the chat room, and
hopefully we've actually accomplished something and given you

1575
02:07:13.520 --> 02:07:17.560
the listeners something to think about in
the process. So anyway, and I'm

1576
02:07:17.600 --> 02:07:21.680
not all about confrontation and debate.
That's not always what's necessary. Sometimes it's

1577
02:07:21.720 --> 02:07:26.239
just good to blow off steam,
let things out, inform people about stuff,

1578
02:07:26.640 --> 02:07:30.239
give them something to think about separate
from what it is they're being typically

1579
02:07:30.319 --> 02:07:32.720
fed elsewhere. That's really what I
like to do. It's not always about

1580
02:07:32.760 --> 02:07:36.760
let's debate, let's have a contest, let's see who's right. In fact,

1581
02:07:38.359 --> 02:07:41.319
if you had all the right answers, I would be glad if you

1582
02:07:41.439 --> 02:07:45.560
gave them to everybody and we could
all utilize them, because I'd love to

1583
02:07:45.640 --> 02:07:48.319
see the right answers about all of
it. And the dysfunctional situation that we

1584
02:07:48.439 --> 02:07:51.640
find ourselves in. We got to
say, at least, it's not a

1585
02:07:51.800 --> 02:07:59.720
satisfactory circumstance that everybody's in at the
moment. If you don't believe me,

1586
02:07:59.760 --> 02:08:01.279
go to the grocery store. See
if you're satisfied with that. See if

1587
02:08:01.279 --> 02:08:05.560
you can afford anything there. Because
I'm having a hard time personally, and

1588
02:08:05.720 --> 02:08:09.399
I know a lot of other people
are. Can you afford to live?

1589
02:08:09.600 --> 02:08:11.920
At this point? I saw a
thing on the poorest county in the country

1590
02:08:13.199 --> 02:08:16.239
because regular Joe sent it to me
because he lives there. So he sent

1591
02:08:16.319 --> 02:08:20.760
me this thing on the county in
Kentucky, which is allegedly the poorest spot

1592
02:08:20.000 --> 02:08:24.960
in the country. I don't know
if that's true, but a guy did

1593
02:08:24.000 --> 02:08:30.279
a YouTube video about it, and
some statistics say it is. And if

1594
02:08:30.359 --> 02:08:33.800
that is, where a lot of
us are headed toward, because it doesn't

1595
02:08:33.840 --> 02:08:39.479
seem like people's quality of life is
improving under the current circumstance. Maybe it

1596
02:08:39.640 --> 02:08:41.359
is for some, and there are
more billionaires than there used to be,

1597
02:08:43.079 --> 02:08:48.399
But what's happening to the majority of
people? And is it all their own

1598
02:08:48.520 --> 02:08:52.720
doing? Or is this the way
the system is supposed to be functioning according

1599
02:08:52.760 --> 02:08:56.159
to those that control it? Is
this the musical chairs of the circumstance,

1600
02:08:56.239 --> 02:09:01.399
the way it's supposed to roll.
Leave those questions open to you, the

1601
02:09:01.439 --> 02:09:07.159
listener. So anyway, Jimmy James, put you back on to say whatever

1602
02:09:07.239 --> 02:09:11.039
you want to say, and I
think we're gonna get close to a rolling

1603
02:09:11.119 --> 02:09:16.199
this up for the night, So
go ahead, Jimmy. Well, if

1604
02:09:16.239 --> 02:09:24.359
you look at after the votes dam
near, the whole country geographically will be

1605
02:09:24.560 --> 02:09:35.560
read with the occasional disturbing blue blob. So it's not so much a region

1606
02:09:35.840 --> 02:09:41.520
as it is a city class versus
country class situation. And you ask,

1607
02:09:41.720 --> 02:09:46.960
well, where is your paradise?
Well, you're in it, buddy.

1608
02:09:46.399 --> 02:09:50.680
Guess what. For the first time
in the history of the United States of

1609
02:09:50.760 --> 02:10:01.199
America, the Southern region outdid economically. It outperformed every other region. California,

1610
02:10:01.920 --> 02:10:09.239
which want what is due to lose
five seats of Congress because so many

1611
02:10:09.399 --> 02:10:16.880
people have left, and the Northeast, which was the economic capital before California,

1612
02:10:18.840 --> 02:10:24.279
well they're in the toilet and they've
lost a bunch of seats and are

1613
02:10:24.319 --> 02:10:28.079
gonna lose a bunch of more seats
in Congress because people are voting with their

1614
02:10:28.159 --> 02:10:33.640
feet. And I didn't pick this
place out of my ass. My mother

1615
02:10:33.880 --> 02:10:37.840
was born and raised where I'm going. She's living there right now. We

1616
02:10:37.039 --> 02:10:41.119
want to go where it's warmer.
Where I live right now, it's perfectly

1617
02:10:41.279 --> 02:10:46.960
fine. I may live in You
think my state's blue. Once again,

1618
02:10:48.079 --> 02:10:52.359
I say, look at the electoral
map where I live. There is no

1619
02:10:52.560 --> 02:10:58.680
tyranny. We didn't wear those stupid
masks. You kidding me? No,

1620
02:11:00.159 --> 02:11:05.359
that crap don't fly here. You
want to see your principles in action,

1621
02:11:05.279 --> 02:11:11.079
then come on up here and look
around. Maybe you'll be the first time

1622
02:11:11.199 --> 02:11:16.039
you've seen freedom. I don't know. I will tell you that the more

1623
02:11:16.159 --> 02:11:26.039
people you live amongst is directly connected
to the amount of freedoms that you will

1624
02:11:26.279 --> 02:11:37.399
enjoy. Individual individual results will vary. We all are created equal under the

1625
02:11:37.600 --> 02:11:43.800
law. Under the law, but
we are not all created equal. I

1626
02:11:43.920 --> 02:11:50.079
do not play basketball as well as
Michael Jordan even now when he's sixty eight

1627
02:11:50.239 --> 02:11:56.720
years old or whatever he is,
he'd kick my butt. That's tragic but

1628
02:11:58.119 --> 02:12:07.239
true. I am not a music
man. Our host can play the guitar

1629
02:12:07.520 --> 02:12:11.760
and sing and can rock out with
some heavy metal. I do not have

1630
02:12:13.199 --> 02:12:20.239
artistic talents. I wasn't. He
was born with something that I was not.

1631
02:12:20.279 --> 02:12:26.720
For instance, I'm sure he would
happily give it up for the eyes

1632
02:12:26.920 --> 02:12:31.479
if we switched ice. Yeah,
you could probably beat me a basketball.

1633
02:12:31.760 --> 02:12:35.439
You could probably beat me at basketball. Jimmy James just saying I was never

1634
02:12:35.520 --> 02:12:39.039
good at that. I might I
might be able to pull that off,

1635
02:12:41.720 --> 02:12:48.760
So I'll give myself that. There
you go. So yeah, people,

1636
02:12:48.960 --> 02:12:52.520
very everything varies. All I could
says. I love y'all, God bless

1637
02:12:52.600 --> 02:12:56.720
you all. Good night. There
you have it, Jimmy James ending on

1638
02:12:58.520 --> 02:13:03.880
a positive note. So how do
we how do we conclude this evening's event?

1639
02:13:03.239 --> 02:13:07.920
If you will be Pete, what
are your thoughts here? What should

1640
02:13:07.920 --> 02:13:13.319
we do? Well, we can
get everybody's last comments and go ahead,

1641
02:13:13.359 --> 02:13:16.000
and clothes are all now okay?
Well, I think we got perfect clothes

1642
02:13:16.039 --> 02:13:20.840
from Jimmy James already, and I
appreciate you, man. I get what

1643
02:13:20.920 --> 02:13:22.840
you're saying. I do. And
you know, look, people have told

1644
02:13:22.840 --> 02:13:28.800
me that about Michigan. Outside of
Detroit and Flint. You know, a

1645
02:13:28.920 --> 02:13:31.079
lot of people feel as though,
no, this is this is definitely not

1646
02:13:31.239 --> 02:13:35.680
what you think it is here.
And uh, all right, the Northeast

1647
02:13:35.800 --> 02:13:41.520
has gone through it's interesting time period
and it will change up again. I'm

1648
02:13:41.600 --> 02:13:46.439
sure it's fascinating how these things are
shifting. I don't think anybody's doing super

1649
02:13:46.520 --> 02:13:52.239
well. But but but then again, I haven't looked at this idea about

1650
02:13:52.399 --> 02:13:54.920
the South out performing. I think
I read something about it, but I

1651
02:13:54.960 --> 02:14:00.279
didn't really study it deeply. It
could be true. I know that we

1652
02:14:00.359 --> 02:14:03.159
see different ships. I have people
telling me the Texas is the up and

1653
02:14:03.279 --> 02:14:09.359
coming place actually, which I find
strange because aren't they being like invaded at

1654
02:14:09.399 --> 02:14:16.079
the border and destroyed because of the
you know, the influx of immigrants.

1655
02:14:16.119 --> 02:14:18.560
But there, there you go.
There's a topic for you at another day.

1656
02:14:20.560 --> 02:14:22.359
So I think we should go around. We'll get to Harlan first so

1657
02:14:22.520 --> 02:14:26.720
that he doesn't fall asleep or go
back to the waffle house again, and

1658
02:14:26.800 --> 02:14:33.159
then we'll let vance go and uh, then you be Pete and we'll conclude

1659
02:14:33.199 --> 02:14:35.520
this. That's the way I'm gonna
run it anyway. I think that's the

1660
02:14:35.600 --> 02:14:41.159
best plan. Let's see. Where
where is Harlan? Oh? There he

1661
02:14:41.319 --> 02:14:43.920
is? Me again? Slow on
the button. So again Harlan. Hopefully

1662
02:14:43.960 --> 02:14:48.199
he didn't decide to go back to
the waffle house. Although if you,

1663
02:14:48.439 --> 02:14:50.680
if you took a solid enough dump
like you described, maybe maybe you need

1664
02:14:50.720 --> 02:14:56.199
to go back and refill. But
up to you and wapple House always causes

1665
02:14:56.279 --> 02:14:58.279
me to have to hit the head
pretty hard. Usually I blow up a

1666
02:14:58.319 --> 02:15:01.319
spot when I do that. But
I haven't eaten at the waffle house in

1667
02:15:01.319 --> 02:15:09.880
a while. How is it?
Man? Wait a minute, I'm gonna

1668
02:15:09.960 --> 02:15:13.960
rule it with an iron fist here
and say that on this show, you

1669
02:15:13.079 --> 02:15:18.239
don't mention the awful waffle unless you
have enough to share with everyone. Oh

1670
02:15:18.840 --> 02:15:30.039
okay, rule after staris and some
stories. Baby, that would that would

1671
02:15:30.039 --> 02:15:33.279
be socialism, you know. Pull
you set up with a big straps.

1672
02:15:33.319 --> 02:15:39.960
You're gonna get your own wobble house. Come on back, go get your

1673
02:15:41.000 --> 02:15:43.399
own. I got hey, I
love it all right? Well the awful

1674
02:15:43.479 --> 02:15:48.479
waffle I mean, tell you what
you've lived anywhere any length of time.

1675
02:15:48.600 --> 02:15:52.359
You can write a book about incidents
at the Awful Waffle. Of course you

1676
02:15:52.439 --> 02:15:56.640
can, all right, I could
write a book about the foul moments came

1677
02:15:56.720 --> 02:16:03.600
from. Yeah, as could I. You know what, you know what

1678
02:16:03.680 --> 02:16:05.680
I really missed too is that is
I used to go and get to take

1679
02:16:05.720 --> 02:16:11.199
out cheap cheeseburger and it seems like
they got rid of that. Uh and

1680
02:16:11.359 --> 02:16:13.279
that thing was greasy. I didn't
even I think they added grease to it.

1681
02:16:15.279 --> 02:16:18.880
Uh, I really do. It's
like, okay, you know,

1682
02:16:20.479 --> 02:16:24.119
like I said, when the first
out period plans as to be like a

1683
02:16:24.199 --> 02:16:28.600
cock girl when you love you Barry, Yeah, he was talking about the

1684
02:16:28.680 --> 02:16:35.680
post county in Kentucky. For I
saw several stories that that would be the

1685
02:16:35.760 --> 02:16:39.440
county next to may Over in Belle
County, Kentucky. And I can touch

1686
02:16:39.559 --> 02:16:41.600
on that real quickly, you know
if you want me to. Yeah,

1687
02:16:41.680 --> 02:16:48.319
sure, I saw it represented as
McCreary, but go ahead, okay,

1688
02:16:48.479 --> 02:16:54.360
Well, uh McQuary you know must
have beat out Belle can because for a

1689
02:16:54.479 --> 02:16:58.399
few years I've not kept up on
the wow full or five years ago hit

1690
02:17:01.120 --> 02:17:03.600
was you know supposed look ordin.
You know some stories on the internet was

1691
02:17:03.680 --> 02:17:09.040
the I was I actually coordinate and
you know, I'm a rich fugee from

1692
02:17:09.079 --> 02:17:11.200
over there. We left there and
I was about nine or ten to move

1693
02:17:11.280 --> 02:17:18.319
over Tennessee because the fucking Texas was
adam howand vehicles and you know, the

1694
02:17:18.479 --> 02:17:22.680
insurance was higher. You know,
you know things that and as a friend

1695
02:17:22.760 --> 02:17:28.120
of mine says, you know,
there's more socialists left in Bell County,

1696
02:17:28.239 --> 02:17:33.879
Kentucky than what they are you know, left in Cuba. You know,

1697
02:17:35.040 --> 02:17:41.520
you know Middlesborough, which you know
is the biggest city in the county,

1698
02:17:41.680 --> 02:17:45.799
used to be a hub of industry, you know, many years ago,

1699
02:17:46.719 --> 02:17:50.719
and you know we had coal mines
around there and noses boomed and busted ever

1700
02:17:50.799 --> 02:17:54.040
since. You know that Thomas Walker, you know, discoverage, you can

1701
02:17:54.760 --> 02:17:56.959
you could squeeze a little all out
of it, or you know, you

1702
02:17:56.040 --> 02:18:01.079
could set far to it. But
you know, it's just been years and

1703
02:18:01.239 --> 02:18:07.319
years and years of you know,
local share cropping and you know, you

1704
02:18:07.639 --> 02:18:11.559
have, you know, in my
opinion a lot of other people's opinion,

1705
02:18:13.440 --> 02:18:16.719
not only do you have, you
know, source poverty. Some people would

1706
02:18:16.719 --> 02:18:24.200
say, you've also just got this
pension of you know, basically we're starting

1707
02:18:24.280 --> 02:18:28.920
probably on the third full generation of
you know, drug addicts. A lot

1708
02:18:28.959 --> 02:18:35.200
of people cannot pull themselveside of it
somehow, thank god. But you're basically,

1709
02:18:35.360 --> 02:18:39.920
you know, his the stereotype of
what you hear, you know,

1710
02:18:41.120 --> 02:18:45.040
on the internet, the memes that
you see and stuff. Unfortunately, you

1711
02:18:45.120 --> 02:18:48.000
know, that's what areas turned into. And I'm not sitting here, you

1712
02:18:48.120 --> 02:18:52.280
know, saying that it's all of
them, because over across the state line,

1713
02:18:52.799 --> 02:18:56.319
we're seeing it more every day every
day. You know. But the

1714
02:18:56.440 --> 02:19:01.719
more of the cost goes up of
things, more of the crime goes up,

1715
02:19:01.159 --> 02:19:05.120
you know, the more options of
easier living took away from people,

1716
02:19:05.920 --> 02:19:11.000
you've got you know, more crime, more drugs, more drug dealing.

1717
02:19:13.239 --> 02:19:18.280
And unfortunately, that's just what's happening
in a lot of rule of mirth that

1718
02:19:18.440 --> 02:19:22.239
it's just hit them a little bit
harder, you know, from decades of

1719
02:19:22.879 --> 02:19:26.000
sale policies. And then on top
of that, it just gets to the

1720
02:19:26.079 --> 02:19:31.959
point to where there's you know,
we're living in modern times where things cost

1721
02:19:31.079 --> 02:19:35.079
so much, and then you've got
a lot of uselessness. You know,

1722
02:19:35.159 --> 02:19:39.920
it's been fully so much you know, over the years, you pick you

1723
02:19:39.040 --> 02:19:43.840
know, the you know, the
the chickens have came home to roost and

1724
02:19:45.200 --> 02:19:50.719
basically, you know, chickens who
everybody knows what they do when they're on

1725
02:19:50.879 --> 02:19:54.239
the roos style night. And now
we went from you know, the chickens

1726
02:19:54.319 --> 02:19:58.520
on the roost, we got a
bunch of guineas round around making noise and

1727
02:19:58.600 --> 02:20:03.360
you know, ship ma and that's
just unfortunate, you know, facts the

1728
02:20:03.440 --> 02:20:05.000
situation. There's a lot more to
it, and I'm trying to de click

1729
02:20:05.000 --> 02:20:13.520
because our show doesn't want to show
going on for another you know, Macquary

1730
02:20:13.600 --> 02:20:18.639
can Me is in the area,
but it has basically it's in the region,

1731
02:20:18.799 --> 02:20:24.719
but it doesn't have any great correlation
over my part of that I could

1732
02:20:24.799 --> 02:20:30.440
really see. I would actually think
there was a few other twenties that would

1733
02:20:30.440 --> 02:20:33.719
be lower, you know, down
the pole, and you know what they

1734
02:20:33.760 --> 02:20:39.600
would accept. Now I understand,
I'm just saying what I was shown,

1735
02:20:39.959 --> 02:20:43.319
and there was a video about it, and it seemed to directly represent that

1736
02:20:43.399 --> 02:20:48.079
that's where it was, and uh
it uh, you know, the stuff

1737
02:20:48.159 --> 02:20:52.280
shown in the video, it makes
it rather believable. You know, some

1738
02:20:52.360 --> 02:20:54.959
of the conditions that they showed people
living in and some of the things you

1739
02:20:54.079 --> 02:21:00.440
just talked about, or exactly what
created the circumstance that you know, the

1740
02:21:00.479 --> 02:21:01.520
guy says, hey, is there
is there a lot of meth around?

1741
02:21:01.559 --> 02:21:03.280
You know, a guy from outside
the area, and the guy goes,

1742
02:21:03.360 --> 02:21:07.520
yeah, which direction you want to
go in? Uh, you know it's

1743
02:21:07.559 --> 02:21:11.399
everywhere, and it's not just the
meth, but of course the opioids plus

1744
02:21:11.520 --> 02:21:18.760
meth have like just devastated these areas
that the oppil to get it started and

1745
02:21:18.840 --> 02:21:22.319
the mess is looking ash up.
I mean nowadays, to kind of put

1746
02:21:22.360 --> 02:21:26.799
it respect to what I understand,
folks, excuse me. If you are

1747
02:21:26.840 --> 02:21:31.239
a peel head, you're basically in
the same class and being a co head

1748
02:21:31.319 --> 02:21:35.559
back in the ages, you know
what I mean. You middle class up

1749
02:21:35.799 --> 02:21:39.959
to you know, if you're popping
the pain pails you know from a doctor,

1750
02:21:39.000 --> 02:21:43.120
if you're getting them good pain pails. If you ain't getting them them

1751
02:21:43.200 --> 02:21:46.719
old damn dollars still brand gateway to
the track, Pie North code or whatever

1752
02:21:46.760 --> 02:21:50.639
the hell they walk out, you
know, you're uptown. You know,

1753
02:21:50.760 --> 02:21:54.280
if you're getting you know, some
some good zan xes, you're whatever.

1754
02:21:56.159 --> 02:21:58.799
Say. You know, you may
even be a conservative, you know,

1755
02:22:00.159 --> 02:22:03.760
so you get your upright, you
know, and you've got a lot of

1756
02:22:03.879 --> 02:22:07.399
check growing too, you know on
the region. You know, everybody you

1757
02:22:07.479 --> 02:22:11.239
know they've got a back problem with
her out right in Willard, you know,

1758
02:22:11.399 --> 02:22:16.360
four days a week, as if
they've not settled the full mouth.

1759
02:22:16.520 --> 02:22:18.600
Now you know, to buy some
play us, buy this one to this

1760
02:22:18.760 --> 02:22:24.520
ti set in there. Not all
true according to what was again being shown

1761
02:22:24.520 --> 02:22:28.520
to me in this video and explained
in the different things they were showing us.

1762
02:22:28.639 --> 02:22:33.959
All of what you're saying is what
this video was showing. But you

1763
02:22:33.000 --> 02:22:37.760
know, the heroin came into not
just the meth, but the meth seemed

1764
02:22:37.760 --> 02:22:41.559
to be the death knell to the
area where you know, uh, sure

1765
02:22:41.639 --> 02:22:46.079
you can live in this uh filth
box over here for you know, three

1766
02:22:46.200 --> 02:22:48.559
hundred bucks a month, but you
know, take a look at the conditions

1767
02:22:48.600 --> 02:22:52.680
you're in. Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on this I

1768
02:22:52.920 --> 02:22:56.639
catch you out. But where the
hell could you rent anything for three hundred

1769
02:22:56.680 --> 02:23:01.559
a month? Last? And this
character, Yeah, I mean I was

1770
02:23:01.639 --> 02:23:05.799
just on the podcast this Lake in
describing some of these taples screaming history for

1771
02:23:05.799 --> 02:23:09.639
eight market to rent your damn cat, damn bubble you slang a cat twam

1772
02:23:09.680 --> 02:23:13.319
the walls for eight hundred, twelve
hundred a month. You might be able

1773
02:23:13.319 --> 02:23:18.879
to get some ship for five or
six, but there's no you know that

1774
02:23:18.319 --> 02:23:20.559
video, must you I have some
age on it. I mean, if

1775
02:23:20.600 --> 02:23:24.719
you could rent something for three hundred
a month and they was plenty a mass,

1776
02:23:24.879 --> 02:23:28.040
they was something stale. I mean, hell, I need to put

1777
02:23:28.120 --> 02:23:31.799
signs in bill bullets up because they'd
all leave them in the Try State are

1778
02:23:31.879 --> 02:23:35.600
and head up to mccrag can.
Well they maybe they should. It was

1779
02:23:35.719 --> 02:23:39.200
a fairly new video. But I'm
telling you the places you're looking at,

1780
02:23:39.319 --> 02:23:43.319
like the one girl got free rent
for a little while because their ceiling fell

1781
02:23:43.399 --> 02:23:46.559
in on her, you know,
And you're talking about these little boxes that

1782
02:23:46.639 --> 02:23:50.479
people are just breaking into and trashing
left and right, and that's what you

1783
02:23:50.559 --> 02:23:56.280
get for that three hundred four hundred
a month. Yeah, really bad places

1784
02:23:56.360 --> 02:24:01.280
that really would be condemned in almost
any other part of the country, uh

1785
02:24:01.559 --> 02:24:05.520
normally or just being kind of ignored
because they're just abandoned areas. And then

1786
02:24:05.559 --> 02:24:09.760
you've got people squatting and you know, broken down buildings and stuff. A

1787
02:24:09.840 --> 02:24:13.000
lot of that. They were showing
that in McCreary. I'm just saying what

1788
02:24:13.079 --> 02:24:20.200
they showed sim I believed, Oh
yeah, well we got we got people

1789
02:24:20.239 --> 02:24:22.399
intense in making too. I mean, you know, it's it's everywhere at

1790
02:24:22.440 --> 02:24:28.559
this point. Yeah. So anyways, Harlan, you know what. I

1791
02:24:28.680 --> 02:24:33.319
appreciate all your points, and you're
right, but no, these unlivable boxes.

1792
02:24:33.360 --> 02:24:35.959
Believe me, you wouldn't want even
a human being in these. You

1793
02:24:35.959 --> 02:24:39.920
wouldn't leave a dog that bit you
in one of these joints. I'm telling

1794
02:24:39.000 --> 02:24:45.000
you. It's it's rough, man, really really rough. But anyway,

1795
02:24:45.120 --> 02:24:50.520
everybody, if I get around it, absolutely I appreciate you, and we

1796
02:24:50.600 --> 02:24:52.959
won't have a debate. Next week. It'll be a lot more open lines,

1797
02:24:52.040 --> 02:24:56.760
so you'll get to you'll get more
time, and uh, we'll be

1798
02:24:56.840 --> 02:24:58.639
a lot freer about what it is
we're discussing. But this week I wanted

1799
02:24:58.680 --> 02:25:03.680
to get to everybody as much as
we could and get to this little dispute.

1800
02:25:03.040 --> 02:25:07.440
I'll call it a dispute since it
wasn't a controversy. But we are

1801
02:25:07.520 --> 02:25:11.000
going to get to closing out the
show here pretty soon. I gotta go

1802
02:25:11.120 --> 02:25:15.079
around to Vance and then be Pete. So I let Harlan run a little

1803
02:25:15.120 --> 02:25:16.799
long because I thought it was interesting
what he had to say, and of

1804
02:25:16.840 --> 02:25:22.559
course, since he's got a firsthand
viewpoint on a couple of things, a

1805
02:25:22.760 --> 02:25:24.440
first person view on a couple of
things. I thought it was worthy of

1806
02:25:24.680 --> 02:25:30.200
letting him run a little, so
sorry about that. I extended the time

1807
02:25:30.360 --> 02:25:35.959
here. But vance in closing,
I know we didn't really you know,

1808
02:25:35.159 --> 02:25:39.639
solve any of the back and forth
between the two too much, but each

1809
02:25:39.639 --> 02:25:45.719
of you got to say some things
clearly and uninterrupted, so hopefully that helped

1810
02:25:45.920 --> 02:25:52.479
in some way. But your final
thoughts were that, yeah, I appreciate

1811
02:25:52.559 --> 02:25:54.799
that, and you know, there's
you know, no animosity between us or

1812
02:25:54.799 --> 02:25:58.120
anything. I don't think, and
you know, I get a little offended

1813
02:25:58.200 --> 02:26:05.719
when you know, some he says
I'm intellectually uh dishonest and brain washed,

1814
02:26:05.840 --> 02:26:09.520
and you know it can you know, cause me to have a little consternation.

1815
02:26:11.000 --> 02:26:18.520
But the I was gonna say that
an anarchist is just a libertarian after

1816
02:26:18.600 --> 02:26:26.559
two more election cycles, you know, so you know, you'll get there

1817
02:26:26.559 --> 02:26:31.520
eventually. And I enjoy these kind
of conversations. There's not much in the

1818
02:26:31.600 --> 02:26:35.319
conversations I have with people at the
bar. And my good friend, you

1819
02:26:35.440 --> 02:26:41.200
know, Joe Jack is you know, get very close to you know,

1820
02:26:41.399 --> 02:26:45.040
Jimmy's ideology and stuff, and I've
been working on him for like fifteen years

1821
02:26:45.159 --> 02:26:48.639
or whatever, you know, so
you know, but I think it's important

1822
02:26:48.680 --> 02:26:52.600
for us to have these discussions and
and you know, come to the conclusions.

1823
02:26:52.639 --> 02:26:56.559
And I don't for a minute think
that I'm you know, the U

1824
02:26:58.680 --> 02:27:01.440
expert on anything. I just you
know, try to to to challenge the

1825
02:27:05.879 --> 02:27:09.159
principles of things, and you know, look at it from that perspective,

1826
02:27:09.239 --> 02:27:13.559
and you know, us, I
know, is we're not going in the

1827
02:27:13.639 --> 02:27:16.079
right direction. And you know,
the people that are leading us, you

1828
02:27:16.200 --> 02:27:22.319
know, apparently this is where they're
leading us. So it was a great

1829
02:27:22.360 --> 02:27:24.920
conversation and I enjoyed it, and
we will talk again, you know,

1830
02:27:26.040 --> 02:27:30.159
Friday again or whenever there you go. Hopefully. Actually I'll get advance on

1831
02:27:30.239 --> 02:27:33.799
to discuss some other things soon.
Uh look, I want to remind everybody

1832
02:27:33.040 --> 02:27:37.200
that it is extremely helpful, and
of course it is that wondrous time of

1833
02:27:37.280 --> 02:27:41.920
the month when I'm totally flat broke, so annie sort of help if you

1834
02:27:41.040 --> 02:27:46.319
kick in at Ocelli dot com would
be uh greatly appreciated. I am trying

1835
02:27:46.360 --> 02:27:50.559
to get it together and I am
going to get it together to get to

1836
02:27:50.719 --> 02:27:56.399
Dallas, the road trip I'm taking
with b Pete and uh we we we're

1837
02:27:56.479 --> 02:28:01.639
going to the Lancer conference. I
got a bunch of things that I got

1838
02:28:01.760 --> 02:28:05.120
to be able to pay for,
but I got to survive in the meantime

1839
02:28:05.200 --> 02:28:07.760
to get to there. So anything
that anybody can do to help out would

1840
02:28:07.760 --> 02:28:15.120
be greatly appreciated, and you can
click the donate Buttonettocelli dot com. I'm

1841
02:28:15.280 --> 02:28:18.559
making every effort I can to come
up with other revenue streams, etc.

1842
02:28:20.760 --> 02:28:22.360
Working on a bunch of things as
fast as I can, trying to take

1843
02:28:22.440 --> 02:28:28.879
meetings. Also, I've been adding
to the podcast feed, put out a

1844
02:28:28.959 --> 02:28:33.959
couple of older episodes of this and
that to remind people, mostly of people

1845
02:28:33.000 --> 02:28:37.799
that have passed on. Actually it
was funny most of the guests on there,

1846
02:28:37.159 --> 02:28:39.479
the majority of them, I think, actually I've all passed on,

1847
02:28:41.680 --> 02:28:46.079
but there were a few people that
are still alive that I put through there

1848
02:28:46.120 --> 02:28:50.120
too and gave you some classic episodes
if you weren't listening in twenty fifteen twenty

1849
02:28:50.200 --> 02:28:54.559
sixteen to the show. Some stuff
that I did a while ago I thought

1850
02:28:54.719 --> 02:28:58.440
was of interest and put back out, so I called them the No Frills

1851
02:28:58.479 --> 02:29:03.239
rerelease is on the podcast speed.
Hopefully you guys are enjoying those, and

1852
02:29:03.440 --> 02:29:07.840
we are creating new content as often
as we can hopefully Aaron will be on

1853
02:29:07.000 --> 02:29:13.040
this week, and hopefully we'll have
a mistake free Sunday Sloper show again,

1854
02:29:13.639 --> 02:29:16.440
and if we do, then we'll
have another podcast there and who knows what

1855
02:29:16.559 --> 02:29:22.120
else might come out in the future. The more that you guys support this,

1856
02:29:22.600 --> 02:29:26.239
the more you share it, the
more you kick in something, the

1857
02:29:26.360 --> 02:29:28.639
more you do what it is you
can do one way or another, talk

1858
02:29:28.719 --> 02:29:33.760
about the shows online, share them
with your friends, etc. All of

1859
02:29:33.840 --> 02:29:37.920
that stuff is helpful. But yeah, at the moment, I'm in the

1860
02:29:37.239 --> 02:29:41.600
process of trying to keep the lights
on and all that, so that's where

1861
02:29:41.639 --> 02:29:45.520
that would go. And if there's
anything anything at all to spare, I

1862
02:29:45.559 --> 02:29:48.639
would try and put it aside so
that you know, I can afford to

1863
02:29:48.719 --> 02:29:50.799
maybe buy myself and be Pete,
I don't know, a sandwich on the

1864
02:29:50.879 --> 02:29:54.360
way to Dallas. It's gonna take
us a little while to get there,

1865
02:29:54.200 --> 02:29:58.000
stuff like that, or maybe something
to eat while I'm there or whatever.

1866
02:29:58.360 --> 02:30:03.639
Doing my best to finance that and
to just stay breathing while I'm doing it.

1867
02:30:03.719 --> 02:30:07.959
So any help, if you click
the donate buttonetto Chelli dot com would

1868
02:30:07.959 --> 02:30:11.879
be greatly appreciated. And if you
do it to a certain extent. I

1869
02:30:11.959 --> 02:30:16.360
still have thank you gifts to give
out. I have not sent anything out

1870
02:30:16.399 --> 02:30:18.479
in the mail in a bit,
and I've got a couple of packages that

1871
02:30:18.559 --> 02:30:22.239
I know I owe people that need
to be resent still haven't put a car

1872
02:30:22.319 --> 02:30:24.600
back on the road, so I
haven't gotten to the post office yet.

1873
02:30:24.440 --> 02:30:30.920
But if I had any new packages
that I needed to send out, I

1874
02:30:30.959 --> 02:30:33.000
would certainly get there. And I
appreciate the patience of Actually two of the

1875
02:30:33.040 --> 02:30:37.920
callers tonight who are owed packages,
Vans and Jimmy James. I got stuff

1876
02:30:37.959 --> 02:30:43.239
returned to me, ripped, open, address gone for some reason. I'm

1877
02:30:43.280 --> 02:30:46.360
not gonna say why. But also
I've had a few things opened on the

1878
02:30:46.399 --> 02:30:50.319
way. I don't know what's going
on with our postal services, damned disaster,

1879
02:30:50.920 --> 02:30:56.440
but anyways, I will securely wrap
things once again and send them out

1880
02:30:56.479 --> 02:31:01.479
to people as best they can.
Hopefully you guys get what it means.

1881
02:31:01.520 --> 02:31:05.479
I said. Anyways, b Pete, I turned to you for the final

1882
02:31:05.520 --> 02:31:09.479
word, but it sounds like your
phone is vibrating pretty loudly, so go

1883
02:31:09.559 --> 02:31:16.639
ahead, man to me. Oh
yeah, sorry, I'm putting everybody to

1884
02:31:16.680 --> 02:31:18.239
sleep talking too long, right,
I'm sorry. I made a pitch for

1885
02:31:18.479 --> 02:31:22.719
you know, donations and oh no, I just had a call come over

1886
02:31:24.079 --> 02:31:28.000
my phone while you were right when
you ended time, so I was I

1887
02:31:28.200 --> 02:31:31.360
was declining that. But uh,
you know, I'm a I'm a lot

1888
02:31:31.440 --> 02:31:37.159
like Vance. You know, someone
were a question by integrity when it came

1889
02:31:37.200 --> 02:31:39.920
to debate, I'd get a little
constipation too. But it could be an

1890
02:31:39.920 --> 02:31:45.600
age thing because I think we're close
in age, so I think that's all

1891
02:31:45.639 --> 02:31:46.680
it is. But other than that, you know, I'd like to thank

1892
02:31:46.760 --> 02:31:52.040
Carlin and Vance and Jimmy Jane for
coming and having a great discussion, a

1893
02:31:52.159 --> 02:31:56.479
rational discussion, and I think everybody
walked away from it ordering a little bit

1894
02:31:56.520 --> 02:32:01.920
about the other person. One day
we can get into that debate of is

1895
02:32:03.040 --> 02:32:07.399
Nazi is or you know, the
is the extreme right nothing more than going

1896
02:32:07.440 --> 02:32:11.840
all the way around to the extream
left and our difference between communism and fascism

1897
02:32:11.879 --> 02:32:15.959
and all that. I'd be a
great discussion. But I think we learned

1898
02:32:15.959 --> 02:32:22.680
a little bit tonight and looking forward
to doing it again next week. Absolutely.

1899
02:32:22.799 --> 02:32:24.760
Look, I feel as though we
might have learned something and if you

1900
02:32:24.840 --> 02:32:30.399
didn't, I'm sorry, but did
our best to do so. So yeah,

1901
02:32:30.479 --> 02:32:33.200
once again, I would like to
thank everybody, my co host BPTE,

1902
02:32:33.239 --> 02:32:37.120
Jimmy James for calling in vance,
for calling in the two of them

1903
02:32:37.680 --> 02:32:41.319
with their conflict in the chat room, taking it to a nice logical discussion

1904
02:32:41.399 --> 02:32:46.360
on here, Harlan for chiming in. My apologies once again to nature Boy,

1905
02:32:46.360 --> 02:32:50.920
I did not see that you were
supposed to be joined into the conversation.

1906
02:32:50.280 --> 02:32:54.959
I got busy with other things and
missed the fact that you wanted to

1907
02:32:54.959 --> 02:32:58.000
be joined in. My apologies there. Nobody else was missed on Skype.

1908
02:32:58.600 --> 02:33:01.639
But anyway, we'll get you in
next time. Man, we could have

1909
02:33:01.719 --> 02:33:07.479
done with some naked news maybe at
the end, But anyway, another time,

1910
02:33:07.600 --> 02:33:11.719
another place, and I am merely
Ocelly. All of you are indeed

1911
02:33:11.760 --> 02:33:18.680
the effect. So there you go. Hopefully we'll talk again soon and Sunday

1912
02:33:18.760 --> 02:33:22.120
we'll be live again with the network. Hopefully no live events on Saturday,

1913
02:33:22.200 --> 02:33:26.719
but you never know. Keep listening
to Ocelly dot com Radio. Anything could

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author of the War State, understood
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1921
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Wait. Look, I actually have
a little offer that I want to drop

1922
02:34:50.479 --> 02:34:54.040
to everybody who's on here and anybody
listening, if if you don't mind,

1923
02:34:54.120 --> 02:34:56.200
mister Cooper, I'd like to take
a minute and make a little offer and

1924
02:34:56.520 --> 02:35:03.760
uh and ask of everybody watching listen
and participating, no at all. Okay.

1925
02:35:03.840 --> 02:35:07.840
Look, I am continuously building my
little network, and I've got a

1926
02:35:07.920 --> 02:35:11.520
twenty four seven radio station. Okay
online, it's got a bit of reach.

1927
02:35:11.799 --> 02:35:16.120
It's been interesting. I've had it
running steadily without interruption for I don't

1928
02:35:16.159 --> 02:35:20.159
know, five seven years, something
like that. But here's the thing I

1929
02:35:20.239 --> 02:35:26.360
would love to get because some people
are going to start paying to run things

1930
02:35:26.479 --> 02:35:30.479
on my radio station, but I
don't. I'm not looking for money here

1931
02:35:30.520 --> 02:35:33.840
today. I mean, you know, I'll take it if anybody's got something

1932
02:35:33.840 --> 02:35:35.840
they want to give it up,
but you know, because I could use

1933
02:35:35.879 --> 02:35:39.559
it, but I'm not looking for
that right this minute. My offer is

1934
02:35:39.639 --> 02:35:45.799
simple. Actually, if you have
short audios that you would like because you

1935
02:35:45.879 --> 02:35:52.799
have a presentation ten minutes worth of
something that you think is absolutely worthy of

1936
02:35:52.879 --> 02:35:54.879
the world hearing. Okay, because
I have listeners all over the world to

1937
02:35:54.959 --> 02:36:00.239
that radio station. They're not huge
numbers all at one time, but they're

1938
02:36:00.280 --> 02:36:05.479
constant twenty four seven. Every country
you could possibly think of tunes into my

1939
02:36:05.680 --> 02:36:09.479
radio station at one point or another. It's not huge. It's not like,

1940
02:36:09.600 --> 02:36:11.840
oh, I've got millions of listeners, but we do have thousands,

1941
02:36:13.399 --> 02:36:16.920
and we have thousands of people that
tune in and catch get Mad with Chris

1942
02:36:16.040 --> 02:36:20.680
Graves, and catch the replaces and
catch my show, which is the o'chelli

1943
02:36:20.719 --> 02:36:22.600
effect, and they catch the replace, and they catch Aaron Frowns. As

1944
02:36:22.639 --> 02:36:26.040
the age of transitions. Pretty soon
they're going to be catching the called Priestess

1945
02:36:26.159 --> 02:36:31.920
on there anyway. And I've got
authors to other people to join us,

1946
02:36:31.600 --> 02:36:35.920
you know, working on it.
But here's the thing, I don't care

1947
02:36:35.120 --> 02:36:39.719
if you're a podcaster, or if
you're a musician, or if you're just

1948
02:36:39.920 --> 02:36:43.040
somebody who's got some great thoughts.
So you take the world easy. Here,

1949
02:36:43.879 --> 02:36:48.040
do me a favor, record them, make an MP three and send

1950
02:36:48.120 --> 02:36:52.639
them on over to me. I
want to start populating for the next little

1951
02:36:52.680 --> 02:36:58.200
while with stuff that I'm not charging
anybody to run. It's just good stuff.

1952
02:36:58.200 --> 02:37:03.520
Send me your good stuff, okay, blind JFK researcher at gmail dot

1953
02:37:03.559 --> 02:37:07.959
com. Just email it to me, all right. You got music.

1954
02:37:09.159 --> 02:37:11.280
Maybe you're a musician, Maybe you're
a podcaster, and you want to do

1955
02:37:11.360 --> 02:37:16.040
an ad for your podcast because you
want other people to listen. You haven't

1956
02:37:16.079 --> 02:37:18.200
been a guest on my show.
Maybe you have been a guest on my

1957
02:37:18.239 --> 02:37:20.799
show. I don't care. Tell
me together a couple of minutes. Tell

1958
02:37:20.840 --> 02:37:24.840
me why people should listen to you. Tell me why people should pay attention

1959
02:37:24.920 --> 02:37:28.639
to something else. Why should they
pay attention to what's going on in Congress?

1960
02:37:28.120 --> 02:37:33.040
I don't care. Send it over
to me, Okay. I want

1961
02:37:33.079 --> 02:37:39.479
to populate this with anybody who's got
good ideas. Okay, it is outside

1962
02:37:39.520 --> 02:37:43.559
of the mainstream for the next little
while. We'll still run our replace we'll

1963
02:37:43.600 --> 02:37:46.200
still run our regular shows. Okay, but I want to see what happens

1964
02:37:46.840 --> 02:37:50.200
if I open it to everybody.
I'm not asking you to pay for ads.

1965
02:37:50.520 --> 02:37:54.000
And again, you could do an
ad for your podcast. You could

1966
02:37:54.000 --> 02:37:56.639
do an ad for your rock Finn
channel you can, I don't care.

1967
02:37:58.120 --> 02:38:03.360
Send me something that is of interest, that moves information forward, that helps

1968
02:38:03.399 --> 02:38:07.440
to educate people. Whether it's your
project, your song, your poem,

1969
02:38:07.959 --> 02:38:11.520
your article, you want, your
a writer you like to write, read

1970
02:38:11.559 --> 02:38:16.280
me your article. Send it to
me. Okay, do any of this

1971
02:38:16.639 --> 02:38:22.319
and send it to blind JFK researcher
at gmail dot com. If you can't

1972
02:38:22.360 --> 02:38:24.319
remember that, go to Shelley dot
com. Click on the email thing there.

1973
02:38:24.680 --> 02:38:28.799
It might go to that email address. It might go to infootocelly dot

1974
02:38:28.879 --> 02:38:31.719
com. I control both of those, so it doesn't matter. Email it

1975
02:38:31.840 --> 02:38:35.200
to me. I will play it, Okay. I'm not gonna say I'm

1976
02:38:35.200 --> 02:38:39.079
gonna play it a million times.
If you want to make an arrangement to

1977
02:38:39.159 --> 02:38:43.959
play a commercial with me, I
do have open handspace. But and I'm

1978
02:38:43.000 --> 02:38:46.680
looking not to charge people a lot
of money. If you're doing a small

1979
02:38:46.760 --> 02:38:50.200
project, we can customize it all
that stuff, and we need support for

1980
02:38:50.280 --> 02:38:52.680
the network shore. But I'm not
looking for money today. I'm looking for

1981
02:38:52.799 --> 02:38:56.600
your ideas. I'm looking for your
voices. You want to be heard somewhere.

1982
02:38:56.719 --> 02:39:01.399
You think you're not being heard enough
places. Send it over to me.

1983
02:39:01.559 --> 02:39:05.280
Send me a short piece of audio. Okay, don't send me videos.

1984
02:39:05.399 --> 02:39:09.280
I can't play videos on my stream. It's a twenty four seven audio

1985
02:39:09.479 --> 02:39:13.079
radio station. Okay, and I'll
be more than happy to add you to

1986
02:39:13.120 --> 02:39:16.120
the mix. I'm suspending. I
usually don't like to have harsh language on

1987
02:39:16.200 --> 02:39:20.639
my station. We're not going to
bother with that because I'm no longer carried

1988
02:39:20.719 --> 02:39:24.000
on AM and FM. Fuck it, we're going Okay, bring it to

1989
02:39:24.159 --> 02:39:30.040
me. Miss you got and show
me your good ideas. Show me your

1990
02:39:30.079 --> 02:39:33.040
good podcasts. Anybody on here,
you guys all have some sort of podcast

1991
02:39:33.120 --> 02:39:37.120
you do. Send me an add
for your podcast. Fine, you've got

1992
02:39:37.200 --> 02:39:41.799
good ideas, obviously, you think, because that's what you're making. Send

1993
02:39:41.879 --> 02:39:46.239
me good ideas. Send me the
good material, Send me the good places

1994
02:39:46.319 --> 02:39:48.879
to point people too. You've written
an article you're proud of read it,

1995
02:39:50.319 --> 02:39:52.680
send it to me. You wrote
a song, you think it's great.

1996
02:39:52.760 --> 02:39:56.840
You're not gonna hit me for using
it for copyright. Actually, I've got

1997
02:39:56.920 --> 02:40:01.360
a license to play copywritten stuff on
my online rate radio station. Send me

1998
02:40:01.479 --> 02:40:07.479
your music, no problem. Original
things that move ideas and reality forward,

1999
02:40:07.840 --> 02:40:13.200
that inform people, that educate them, that do some kind of good Send

2000
02:40:13.239 --> 02:40:16.719
me your audio I can't offer it
any more open than that.