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a calendar, it is indeed the twenty twenty three year. Also anyway,
o'chelly Effect live on a Friday night, I am not feeling my normal self.
I just actually had a headache, tried to lay down for a minute.
And you can probably tell from that odd tightness in my voice. I've
got that I just woke up kind of sound in my voice. It's a
little deeper, it's a little more raspy than usual. Anyway, doesn't matter,
because I think I'm not going to get much in to say tonight,
Uh an impromptu plan? Why not pull it together? So I am going
to take calls at some point, and I'm already taking some calls and looks
like I've got the two callers that I need for what's going to happen.
So we're gonna put off bringing in other callers momentarily. Why I got something
to build with my co host be Pete here on this Friday night. It
is the open mic, but we might have to dedicate it to trying to
solve a bit of a dispute that occurred in the chat room. So why
not. I I always get that Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome kind of remember that
movie with Tina Turner be Pete Thunderdome, Thunderdome, you know, bust a
deal, face the Wheel. She said, I'll tell you what, though,
you have to admit Tina Turner look good at that age. She was
well preserved. I know there was some makeup involved there. But when I
was in Switzerland, she was in Switzerland, and I forget where she appeared
her in something. Anyway, the magazine or the newspaper that I saw the
next couple of days, she got rest of her soul. She looked good
for a woman her age, you know. And I heard that back then.
I heard that all the time about her. Look at these those incredible
legs, this and that, and you know, Tina talented singer, interesting
performer. I never got the whole sexy Tina Turner thing. I'm a weirdo,
I know, I just never got into it. Well, there was
that brief time there where she had a couple of hits top forty, So
you're talking about about that time. But she she pulled it off. I
gotta give her that, man, she pulled it off for a warmer of
her age. No, she definitely had something going there. I mean enough
that weirdly, Mick Jagger did a whole thing with her, you know,
live aid there was this whole like them too, like dry humping on stage.
I guess that was that was eighty five. Funny thing is I barely
remember that, uh, and I was there, so did they do that
at Wembley? That might have been on the big screen, which you know,
I don't know if anybody ever told you this that was there, but
the big screen went out a couple of times. Anyway, it doesn't matter
who cares. We're not doing my memories tonight. Guess what we are going
to do. Apparently Vance and Jimmy James, two regular callers to the Friday
night show, had a bit of a problem with one another in the chat
room. So I think it was Vance sent me a message like he wanted
to, uh, you know, have a talk with Jimmy James, just
be able to talk to him because I bought was something about the chat room
and I said, Oh, I wasn't looking at the chat room on Thursday
night when I had Mike Swanson on, which you know, usually there's not
massive I don't know controversy, controversy in the chat room with Swanson, you
know, So I was like, what did we do there? Did we
bring up politics? I didn't think we brought up politics. We talked about
the comments section. Now people are stupid and don't know anything and jump in
on the comments section, and we did that, but I don't remember anyway,
whatever it was, it was somehow they got into it. I didn't
even read all the whole thing. I just looked back and said, Okay,
I see they're they're kind of sniping at each other. It's not a
happy thing. So apparently we need to have this little back and forth between
them. And certainly I don't want to just turn the two phone lines loose
and let it go, at least not to begin with, because if I
do that, I think it'll just get messy. And you know, Jimmy
James usually takes a minute to get roll in anyway, so in total fairness
to him, and usually Vance takes a minute to get rolling as well.
And once Vance is rolling, vance is rolling. I don't know. I
think we need to get their points of view and control the phone calls for
a minute until we do let them loose at each other. And I don't
know how many minutes. I'm thinking about timing it and regulating this, and
this would be both of our jobs tonight, be PETE for at least part
of the show, not the whole thing necessarily, but to the show.
What do you think as BPT bailed out on me already. Oh no,
I hadn't needed I had to call. It's okay, it's okay. It's
like, okay, there's my answer. I'm gone, I'm out. So
you know, we can we can regulate, fact check and censor and do
all those things, you know, because it's yeah, look, I don't
I don't want to censor anybody, you know, if they have things to
say, I'd like them to have a productive conversation. I can't force it,
but I mean I can force them to take turns. I can't really
force any I would never even try to force don't say this, don't say
that. I wouldn't do that. I think we should let them make their
point, explain what the what the conflict is each of them to begin with,
and then let them trade for I don't know, maybe we could go
with the five minute time periods and let him go back and forth and this
could easily kill an hour, no problem. But and that's why I haven't
given out the phone numbers, so you know by the phone numbers there's only
one three one nine five two seven five zero one six that's the number to
call. But you could be on hould through this and I don't know,
it could blow up right away and be a'll waste the time. Somebody could
hang up, give up. I don't know. I'm letting them sit there
and think about what it is they're gonna say right at this moment. But
we're gonna bring them on real quick here. And I think we should just
choose one of them to lay out what the problem is and then bring the
other guy on after separate from him uninterrupted, give him two minutes each explain
what the conflict is and uh, and then we should just start letting them
take turns. Does that sound like a fair template to you, Yeah,
it sounds good. I can tell you your enthusiast with like any personal problems
analyzed or well, if they do any kind of advice for life. Yeah,
we can. We can provide that. Listen, life and love advice
all over the place. I just won't do finances or medicine because you can
get in a lot of trouble for that. But life and love advice,
I think you're allowed to. You know, you can tell people to ruin
their lives and give them relationship advice and nobody sues you. But you tell
them about what to do with financial advice? Oh no, no, no,
no, no, no, no no no, I'll take care of
it. Okay, let's see tan pans right pocket. Yep, I'll put
it right there. Listen. If that's where you're going with this, that's
one thing. And you know, look, you're you're grown people. You
can do the Captain Kangaroo thing, you know, send me your dollars.
Well, I'm not scamming anybody, because I mean, yeah, I'll tell
them right up front, it's not a scam. I'm just telling you send
me your money. If you send me your money. I did exactly what
I said I was going to do right here, and he's ten pants in
this right hand pocket. Well, listen, if I tell you that I'm
going to take your money and if you send it to me, if you
send it to me, you knew what I was gonna do with it.
Okay, look, I feel that's fair enough. That's why I never feel
its. People tell me to feel bad for these people that like sink all
kinds of money into televangelists, and I go, why that that is what
the person willfully did based on the performance given by the guy they decided to
send it to that particular guy. Why do I feel bad for them?
They weren't, you know? But there's no you gotta there's a few of
them out there though that you know. They're promoting this prosperity gospel where they
say, if you sow your seeds with me, it will come back ten
fold and graph like that, and those are ones that are causing problems.
Peter popop isn't Larry go to pick a pass or always look for steak bike
marks on their hands. Okay, look fair enough. But Peter Popov is
hilarious though. Just just look call us up. We'll send you this free
bag of water and you'll start getting and checks in the mail. I don't
know how that works, but people, and then he's got people on there
I got the water, I drank the miracle water, and the next thing
I knew I had a ten thousand dollar check. I had a twenty thousand
dollar check. I had a check enough to buy a house. I don't
know how it works, I really don't. I kind of am tempted to
call every time I see it, Like I'm even a try. I'll drink
a bag of water. Why not? But anyway, all right, enough
out of me, So I say, we pick one of these guys.
How could we pick it? You have a way in which because I don't.
I don't want to be biased in any way, shape or form.
I want to give him each equal time. I don't want to even take
a side here. Uh nothing. I'm thinking we should be totally neutral.
You know, obviously you guys can't threaten each other. Please, but uh
but that's it. Don't break any laws, okay, the normal legal problems
with communication. You can't threaten each other. And yeah, it's about it.
You can't threaten each other, all right, So you know, you
can call each other names. I don't think it's productive. You can call
each other names. You can accuse one another of being under certain spells,
mind controls, if you like, you can accuse each other of having certain
IQ scores if you want. You can use descriptive words, scientific ones.
Indeed, idiot moron were scientifically ascribed words. They had particular test scores that
were given. You know, with your IQ tests and all that, you
could do all that, but I wouldn't advise it. I would advise you,
guys make your points, and you make them cleanly. So what should
I do? Should I pick the guy that I'll tell you what. I'll
make it this easy. You'll tell me the first or last one that called
in. I'll take a look at who's been on hold the longest because one
of them called in after the other, And whichever one should I take the
first or the last and let him go first? As far as explain to
me what the hell the problem is here, and explain to the audience what
do you think BP first or last? Because you can't say, yeah,
I go, I just go with first, you know, yeah, And
this condition of thunder do right, Well, you do have to decide who
you're going to introduce first, right, I mean, you tie the two
guys to things at the same time. But anyway, a little tidbit,
just a little tidbit, just a little nugget for you to gnaw on later
on Thunderdome. Earlier, I look up a list. Did you know that
Jeff Beck played on two of Tina Turners releases? I never knew that?
And Private Dancer, which is one of her biggest hits, was written by
Mark Knoffler Dire Straits. You know, I seem to recall that Mark Knopfler
fact from somewhere. I did not know that, and I'm a huge Mark
Knopfler fan. I never knew he wrote that. I was amazed. Mark
Knopfler wrote a bunch of interesting songs. He was quite a prolific song writer,
and he sold quite a few. And Jeff Beck was at one point
playing like on everybody's studio stuff. You know, remember that whole Honey Drippers
thing they did for a bit with uh, you know, with Robert Plant
from Lifted Riffs and uh, you know and all that. Well, you
know, they were doing the whole fifties deal and uh they did what was
it, uh Sea of Love. They did the cover of that old song,
and then they did uh Rocking at Midnight I think was the flip side
of that single. And that was that. And when when Robert Plant did
his solo tour, I think the Honey Drippers came out and did like a
mini set and sometimes they were joined by Jeff Beck, but he was on
a bunch of things long ago. Yeah yeah, well, oh, just
a couple of months ago. I think it was back right, check yes,
yeah, check on that. I don't January this year, January right
right, I don't remember what month. Yeah, okay, cool, Jimmy,
Okay, So so we'll start introductions and we'll get this show on the
road. That's what we're gonna do. Let's get to it. And look,
it's gonna be Jimmy. James called in first, so I'm gonna go
to him on the line, and Jimmy, what it is very simple.
I want you to explain in two minutes, please, what the controversy was.
If you don't need the whole two minutes, that's fine too, and
uh, and then I'm gonna put you back on hold, and I'll bring
Vans on and see if he's got a different explanation as to what the problem
was. And uh, then we're gonna go from there. But be Pete
selected the order based on something that he had no way to see, so
he did a blind selection and has decided that Jimmy James will get the first
word to explain what the problem was. Loops, Wait a minute, wait,
wait, hold on, all right, one second. Something control just
went weird. I think I have Jimmy James on the line. Now,
Okay, what are you there? Yeah, Jimmy, I'm here. Okay,
you can hear us and everything? Right, yeah, can you guys
hear me? All right? Yes, now we do. Sorry, I
hit, I hit a control. I never hit on the board. It
was a mistake. So but anyway, go right ahead and tell us what
the controversy was last night in the chat room. Please. Oh, there's
no real controversy, and there's there's nothing really to do with Trump. We
Advanced. We're merely discussing the merit or lack thereof, of anarchy. That's
my understanding what we'll be discussing this evening. But I actually think you should
go to Vance first, because jee bro an arch So let him say what
he believes, and I have an alternate beliefs. It's a constitution on the
Bill of Rights as superior to an archy, to say the least. But
let him praise it the way he wishes. I would say, okay,
so that's what I'll do. I'll put you on hold, and I'll just
reserve your two minutes in case I feel like there needs to be an answer
now to that general idea, and I'll go to Vance. So I'm gonna
say that we didn't use Jimmy James's two minutes. He decided to turn it
back over to Vance. So that should put Vance Live on the line.
And okay, so I will just pass it along to you. You can
explain what the issue was, or you can take the alternate route and just
lay out what Jimmy James said, which is, you know, hey,
look this is about anarchy, and you can open the discussion with it,
I guess. And then after that, I don't know, maybe we should
go for three I think three minutes would be enough to have these guys go
back and forth. It might make it more efficient, be Pete, do
you what do you say to that? Yeah, I'll have to agree with
you. There may make it more efficient. Okay, fair enough, So
Van's go go right ahead, and I think we're gonna go with a three
minute time limit on each one of these uh, and I have not started
your clock, even though I did take you off hold. So go ahead
and lay it out for us, give us the opening, and then we'll
decide where we go from there. Well, I'll agree with Jimmy or whatever.
There's it's not really like give us any kind of you know, confrontational
type thing. But you know, he and I have, you know,
in the past, is several times he's like called me out about I'm happy
to debate that, and you know, and it came up about the anarchy
and it was Reagan and you know, and obviously me and Jimmy have a
little bit of different you know, beliefs on what the actual structure and the
reality of the system quote unquote that you know, our opinions are a little
different, et cetera. And as he was recently saying on the last show,
I guess it was that he was he didn't consider himself to be a
Republican or you know, that he was a centrist and right in the middle
of the defense and libertarian and a constitutional list and and all that. And
then as Chuck pointed out, it's like, well, you know, when
you know you say that, but you know, you basically kind of told
that this is my perception to Jimmy. So I'm I'm not you know this,
uh you know that's what you prove, you know, portrayed basically is
that you know, bart right Neokahn typical you know belief. And then when
you and then he calls out anarchy. And then the chat he said something
about uh, I said, bemb up Scotty, and he's like, we're
to the Congo, the bastion of anarchy. And I'm just like, that's
just you know, that's just silly. You know, I don't even understand
how you can you know, you know, play pat with you know,
anarchy and and uh so that's what you know, set off the little you
know, this debate or whatever and the argument in the chat or whatever.
And so you know, when when I hear Jimmy, you know, I
even made the comments like you don't understand the philosophical you know interpretation of anarchy,
and anarchy doesn't mean chaos and you can do whatever you want and you
know, uh, no consequences and and and and you know that that is
you know the real definition is to be without rule. Okay, the Constitution,
the Bill of Rights, the first mini sect that those are all anarchists
principles, that that's set up on the fact that that without rule, that
I have certain an ablable rights that no one can give me, no one
can take from me. And obviously that stuff happens, but the uh,
it just shows that you know that that's not that those those people had anarchists
and that I'm not phrasing this right, but that is the basic intent,
you know, that that they were trying to accomplish. You know, it
was to to uh make sure that there was no single authority the king at
the time, that could you know, force its will and except etc.
And so the whole colonists thing and everything was in my mind an anarchist movement
and and you know, in that word got bastardized and you know, flipped
into what it means now. But you know, anarchy as a principle of
philosophy that would be involved in any kind of government quote unquote is based on
the non aggression principle. Okay, and that is I can't force you and
okay, and let Jimmy respond it, right, So what I'm gonna do
is put you on hold now. And here's the thing. We're gonna go
back over to Jimmy. But I'm gonna take a moment here with my cost
if you don't mind, be Pete. Uh, well, you've been a
little slow to the mic. So are you? Are you with me?
Yeah? I'm here, Okay, here a couple of things here. I
think we need to pull up. I sent you a link to a concept
and maybe maybe you could read it to the audience at a certain point here,
but after I take care of something else, because let me go find
it. I had it up. Let me pull it back up if you
wouldn't mind, because I think this is my commentary on this, and B
Pete is gonna help me out with it, and he can maybe drop some
commentary in. But in a minute, now, let's see where you're going
first, before you'll you'll jump into this some way or other, either either
because you're irritated with me or you agree with me. I think you're gonna
jump in on this, So I'm I am puppeteering this situation a bit.
I gotta have my fund sometimes, Be Pete. Look, everybody else tries
to push me around and do stuff. I kinda every once in a while,
I gotta go look, let me let me try and orchestrate this a
little bit. Get that back up, because this will be relevant and you
can help me out. All right, What I here is a problem between
two different textbook definitions, all right, and I go to look it,
just just go to your stupid general everything powered by Google search engine. Right,
even if you're not trying to use Google, you somehow cross Google pretty
much. I know. Some people tell me use this one, use that
one, and I do, but you come up with virtually the same kind
of thing, unless you're looking for particular types of media. But when you
ask for a definition on the Internet, it'll generally pull up something like dictionary,
dot org or whatever. All right, And the thing that pulls up
without me even having to go to a website, they just give me a
definition, right. The Google machine does that, and so does another search
engine. I forget the name of it. I just lost it. Anyways,
I got I got my Google one up here in front of me,
because it came out the same way anyway, two different definitions. When you
just go for the word an archy, they give me the little circle with
a the old punk rock looking symbol. Right, that's that's the image,
and the dictionary definition if I can get it out, here we go.
Jimmy James goes with definition number one on the list, which is a state
of disorder due to absence or non recognition of authority or other controlling systems.
So to Jimmy James, anarchy is what a synonym for chaos. He's with
definition number one. Now it's interesting because definition number two, and of course
a dictionary is always funny to me that people go for definitions to a dictionary,
because, after all, diction is how you speak so and that's why
it primarily shows you how to say it right. It shows you how to
split up the word exactly phonetically, how to do that. It's because it's
meant to show you diction. The definitions are incidental. And yet people think
of a dictionary in fact as they to go to for a definition. They're
just explaining what the word is so you know how to use it, but
they're still trying to teach you how to speak it. That's what a dictionary
is actually for. Anyway, BP, you can disagree with me when I'm
done, if you want. I don't think you will, okay. Definition
number two, though, in the dictionary, is the organization of a society
on the basis of voluntary cooperation without political institutions or hierarchical government anarchism. Okay,
that does not say that there is disorder. That does not imply immediately
that there is disorder in and of itself within the definition. The other one
does not imply that there is any sort of cooperation voluntary. I mean,
now, it's just definition number one, definition number two, and they are
used in changeably. Look, the English language is a funny thing, and
also people's points of view is a funny thing. And that's why I asked
me Pete to pull up this this uh well Wikipedia thing that I sent to
him just before the show, because not because I knew it would come up
here, but because it keeps coming up in my mind as a bleep be
Pete, would you mind providing a definition about people's points of view? And
this rather interesting concept that I had forgotten about until recently. I came across
and I was reading something at just a sub reference this, and I went,
you know, this is becoming more of a prominent operating system. This
is a default for a lot of people, seems like to me, this
particular theatrical narrative device that was demonstrated at some point in a piece of content,
you know, almost seventy five years ago, this phrase was coined,
this term, this idea that has carried on this concept, and I feel
like you know and I lately you guys might have heard me complained several times
in several places about how people only want to hear what it is that they
have in their minds. They want to hear. They don't search out new
information. They they're pissed if you don't tell them what they already believe.
When you show up at somebody's place where they put out their content, their
YouTube channel, their conference, anything, tell me what I want to hear,
otherwise I'm going to react negatively to you. Is the default attitude of
the general public. And there might be a good reason why be Pete,
would you mind reading off the definition from that Wikipedia thing that say you please
no, not at all, And I'd like to come back to this this
anarchy definition as well. But yeah, we'll let Jimmy James answer this.
What we're gonna do is we're gonna real fast. We're gonna let Jimmy James
answer, and later on you and I are going to have space for commentary,
because I think we're gonna have to give these guys a rest at a
certain point, so we're gonna we're gonna start getting them to trade. Next.
I want you to come in and fill in some blanks because I think
it'll be more relevant and more interesting as this conversation evolves. Maybe, so
let's let's do it that way. And yeah, go ahead and get into
this, because this is great, I think, and just coincidentally, this
is just what's been on my mind lately, so I appreciate you doing this
good. It's called the Raschman Rascheman effect, and it it's named after Akira
Kuasala's film Russiman, in which a murder is described in four contradictory ways by
four witnesses. The term addresses the motives and mechanisms and occurrences of the reporting
on the circumstance, and addresses contested interpretations of events, the existence of disagreements
regarding the events, the evidence of the events, and subjectivity versus objectivity in
human perception, memory and reporting. And they've gone on to they've gone on
to explain how this is taking effect under certain things. Since the nineteen fifties,
when this came out and there was actually a court case in the Queensland
Supreme Court case of the Australian Institute for Progress Limited and the Electoral Commission of
Queenland's and Oors number two. Applegarth JA wrote that the Rashmont effect describes how
parties describe an event in a different and contradictory manner, which reflects their subjective
interpretation and self interested advocacy rather than an objective truth. The ration moon effect
is evident when the event is the outcome of litigation. One should not be
surprised when both parties claim to have won the case. The vagarities of memory
and how they depend on one's own identity and interest was carried on as a
theme in a Polish film where a survivor of Auschwitz in a guard described differently
the events that happened in that concentration camp. So it basically is stating that
when we have a debate or discussion, or we're looking at a certain topic,
our self perceived not well. Yeah, biases will affect how we see
something. And it's just a way of explaining how you can have four witnesses
to a murder describe four entirely different things, but yet they're all describing the
same thing, the same event. It's the same event, but the description
can vary because of the personal viewpoints of the witness, not necessarily. Se
That's the thing that I always run into with the JFK case, right where
it's like, yeah, but this guy said this, Yeah, but this
guy said that, And it's like, well, here's the problem from their
points of view, I mean, except in the obvious cases, right,
you know, from their points of view, it could indeed be that that
is the way they see it, and it does kind of thing. It's
like, it's much like the old Four Blind Men and the elephant, and
they're each touching a different part of the elephant. They're describing a different animal,
and yet they're all describing the same animal. Right. Well, it's
huge, Yes, it is huge. That's their key point. This thing
is huge as it is. You know, it's got this leathery skin and
a lot of it. Okay, it's huge. It's got a lot of
leathery skin. But that doesn't really help me with what it really is.
None of them are going to tell you what color it is, you know.
But but anyway, and they're all going to describe whatever part it is
their touch. I think one had the tail, one had the trunk.
One term it was a you know, strong arm and this and that exactly,
you know. But it happens a lot in life if you think about
it. We think every murder case where you had three or four our witnesses,
right, And there's a limitation sometimes because like you said, look,
if you only have a hold of the tail, you only know the tail,
that's fine. There's a limitation on what it is you're able to view.
And then there is a secondary filter that it goes through, which has
to do with the individual. So indeed, either one of these guys on
this call tonight could be insistent upon guess what not recognizing dictionary definition one or
two, depending on which one we're talking to, see what I mean.
But that's a problem with with those two definitions. They don't show how they're
linked, you know, and their contramate two declaratory statements. You know,
to me they contradict the other. Now to me, well contradict one another.
And now they may not to you, but to me they contradict one
another. What do you think? Well, but that's just it. Though,
if you look at if you look at the reason anarchy is associated with
chaos, because back when the philosophers were all going through this bit, you
know, anarchy was you know, lack of government and by that extension,
no enforcement of government. Therefore chaos would be the ultimate result of anarchy.
And that's how the two are related. They loop. It's an inner.
It's a non ending loop, just like on a computer program. Well see
it hooked in that loop. Well, you know, if you argue anarchy
out to its extreme, yes, there's no governance. Therefore there's nothing to
enforce any type of control. Therefore the end is going to be anarchy.
You know, once you realize the loop and you see the loop. The
problem is everybody looks at that loop from a different perspective. Well there you
go. See Now that's how you get the difference. And yet you're describing
the same thing. Well see, there you go. There's an interesting part
of it. And another thing is that I come at it from a different
angle. Here we go, we're going to see a difference. You're talking
about a loop. I mean, it seems like an inevitability the way that
you talk about it. But to me, I know for sure that there
have been plenty of places on the planet, including in this place we call
America, that for large amounts of time, no governance was necessary. People
simply cooperated because it was in their best interest, and the majority of the
time until a dispute arose, there was no need for any of this.
Like you know, ninety nine percent of your days you didn't interact with the
government or whatever. It wasn't necessary because you were just doing certain things.
Look, I'm not saying that it is entirely inevitable. I'm not even trying
to pass judgment here. I don't want to do anything but try to be
objective during this discussion, and I want to let them get to it and
just get to trading because we'll see how far this goes. But I think
that's what we're looking at here, is that it's going to have to do
a lot with their personal perspectives and their insistence on attaching themselves to either one
or the other, not looking for the interconnectivity or the way that these things
can be widely separated one or the other. But then again, maybe I'm
wrong. This is just the possibilities. So I'm gonna go to Jimmy James
and see if he agrees with what Advance had to say, and I guess
let him kick it off. This anarchy versus the constitutional you know, absolutism,
and what he thinks about anarchy and how it is, you know,
the way he sees it. I'm just gonna let them speak for themselves.
What do you think? Sure? Okay, so with that, you can
go back. I got a ring girl or anything to walk around with the
number like this would be around one, So should we keep I can do
it, but I'm not dressed. Listen, you could tell people you are.
I I wouldn't. I wouldn't blow the illusion. It's theater of the
mind. It's radio, it's audio. Yeah, well no, I'm in
dress for the ring. Yes, I'm dressed. I'm just never mind.
But you could be dressed with Listen. You could be in uh, you
know, the latest swimsuit prawl. I know, be pete. I don't
know. You could be in garter beltsprawl. I know. At this point,
I you know, I don't want to picture that, but now I've
made other people do it. Okay, enough jokes. Let's let let's let
Jimmy James get on and we'll and we'll see what happens. And I'm just
gonna try and sit back and keep track of the time. So we're gonna
go with three minute intervals and we'll just let them trade back and forth and
see where this goes. Alrighty crap, there we go. All right,
I've got Jimmy James back, so time starting now, good heavens. All
right, Well, ask for your definitions. Of course, there is no
contradiction. Part The first definition is what it is, anarchy, and two
is anarchism the theory what Advance believes in. Now, this is a theory
because it no place has ever existed, does not exist, and will never
exist. With this because it's only a theory out of I mean, it's
not reality. Okay, So I acknowledge definitions one and two. There's reality
and then there's the theory. Now let's go back to what the Advance we
have going on there. He was seeing that he feels that in particularly the
amendments were inspired by anarchism, and of course this is backwards when inspired our
founding fathers was the writings in particular of John Locke. And you should read
an advanced, very good book. And also they run out of their way
while crafting these amendments to right the wrongs that they've seen in the English constitution.
For instance, in the English constitutions, of course you have you had
no right of free press, of course. And in fact, the bigger
the truth, the bigger the effects, was the British way toward the king
just because sidered. So in America we are that this is why is the
first amendment. It's the exact antipathy of the English theory pre press instead of
imprisonment for telling the truth. Really, so, uh, what else you
have? About thirty seconds left? Just so you know, Yeah, there's
a lot of sets I want to, let's say, other than problem that
the anarchism that he's talking about is all theory. And I'm telling you we
have a very good system in place right now. Well, we have a
good framework and it can be fixed. And I think Dance would like how
it's supposed to work. And I guess I'll speak more of this in my
next three memos. There we go. So now I'm putting Jimmy James on
hold and I'll go to Vance for his three minutes. I've gotta get a
rhythm going here, But there we go. Vance your three minutes begins now.
So I really I really find it hard to figure out how it is
what he just said about the the the amendments being as the antithesis of the
British rule. Wouldn't that be anarchy? You know, when you're saying,
Okay, we're not going to follow your rule. You know that that was
that was you know, basically anarchy, and it was it was anarchy to
get away from the king that controlled the commons. That was the thing with
the Magna Carta was the original one and all that stuff was established that there's
that the you know, the earth didn't belong to the king who was basically
the monopoly on power. As Jimmy said that, you know, there were
the offense and all that crap, but the uh, the the whole thing
that we were doing was trying to is to make sure that they didn't weren't
able to establish that monopoly on power, which you know they they were anyway,
That's that's what the fucking Constitution was. The whole intent of what they
were doing was to prevent that from happening again with you know, setting up
the constitution. Of course, there were people and you know involved in all
that that had just different ideas and et cetera, et cetera, that you
know, the federalist versus you know, the constitutionalists and whatever, and and
so that that's finding good. But you know, my point is is that
the the system that we have now, Jimmy said, you know, the
founding fathers thought that it should be re ratified every twenty years and reinterpreted because
they didn't know how technology was going to change. And they didn't know that,
you know, now we're going to you know, a hundred years from
now. We can rule the world from right here. We don't even have
to get out of our chair, and we can fly playing into a building
and whatever it is. And and so the the uh, yes, I
would really like it to be working the way that that I that they intended
it, but it ain't been worked that way for a long long time.
And and you know, we we haven't even uh declared an actual war,
you know since World War Two. We were, but we've been enforcing all
this you know, uh violence and stuff on all over the world and and
and uh uh counting that. You know, it's this noble endeavor and everything,
but it's all just about the monopoly. And they have a bigger monopoly
now than they ever had then. And and you know that that that has
to be you know, uh, remitied one way or the other. And
we can't remity it if we don't even think that it's that it's even existing.
And it's just a simple matter of you know, lecting a different person
because then he's not going to let him. I mean, you know,
Trump doesn't rule the world. Biden don't rule the world. Y'all heard this
all before. I'll let Jimmy go on. All right, that was almost
right on your time anyway, So that's fine. Back over to Jimmy James
to answer you. Uh, just me being slow on the button. But
don't worry. It won't cost you any time. Jimmy. We'll begin now.
Jimmy James, your time begins now. Well, okay, it's magna
cartis stuff. There is only one and then only applied to the lords and
parents who signed that document, and then it's nothing to us, and it
meant little to the people of England. Okay, Now, as far as
our amendments, all that wasn't anarchy. This was part of our form of
government. The founding fathers spent and these guys were all geniuses. I mean,
they didn't play Nintendo. They read books, and they studied, and
they knew all the systems of government, and they did debate. This was
a brand new system, the first government from the people, a true democracy,
because that's what democracy means, from the people. Now, let's see,
I can't today I'm having the anarchy debate. I can't have the whole
world's running being ran by a secret society debate simultaneously. So I'm not going
to do that. And yes, the Marshall Plan was indeed a foolish,
foolish policy from Harry S. Truman, where we are, in fact the
world's police. I don't particularly agree with that one. But I do agree
with the Monroe doctrin, which means keeping all European powers out of our hemisphere.
And this is being greatly breaking right now. China is setting up a
spy base in Cuba. They have it. So you're wrong on and you're
right. A president can't do a whole lot of good things for you in
your life, but they could sure make your life miserable by doing the wrong
things, i e. Everything Joe Biden does. Okay, I'm done with
my three minutes Okay, you didn't use it all, but I'll put you
back on hold. I'll just note that Jimmy James kind of old a minute
because he only used too Let's go right on over to Vance and uh,
let's see where this goes. Okay, I don't see how you know the
the it's the philosophy. See, it's almost saying that he's saying that that
that this has never existed, and it's only a theory. It's not a
philosophy. You know, it's a philosophy, and and and and the Founding
fathers had a philosophy to and even though the Magna Carta, I was using
the Magna Carta as a as an example of that that was the first time
that they established that the commons we were we're a thing. And even in
America, you know, most of your you know, communities and nicipalities,
they're all commonwealths. And and you know that it was you know, at
that time, they they you know, controlled all the markets with the you
know, the East Indies companies and all that kind of stuff. And and
so that's what I'm saying that it's all the same stuff that's going on now.
It's just that the technology is so much you know, more advanced that
they have even more power where you know, it's it's you know, getting
to be a parent now, you know where you've got people like black Rock
that are not constitutional and and uh uh in control of you know, the
majority of the world's wealth. And and these people aren't elected. So I'm
sorry if you don't want to, you know, have a debate or you
know, it's not so much having a base, just entertaining the thought that
there there's obviously something somebody pulling strings behind the curtain here, and you know
it ain't the people that were electing, So I don't see electing our way
out of this. There has to The revolution started because the people got out
in the streets and and you know this at the lanterns, in the watch
towers and you know all that stuff, and stood up against it. But
they got everybody so dumb down and and and mesmerized with television and football and
and you know, abortion and and and everything else to not even want to
to think about the big picture that's really going on behind the scenes. And
it's not just an accident, it's not just a lack of imagination like nine
one one was in nine eleven. So you know, it's a I guess
maybe this isn't really a debate about, you know, the principles of anarchy
versus the Founding Fathers principles. However, Jimmy wants to interpret that, but
my interpretation and his is obviously different. But the actual product is not has
not come to fruition and is way out of whack. So you know,
how do we how do we deal with that? Jimmy? Do we just
you know, wait, wait around for the next election and hope Trump can
you know, stop all the wars? And you know you're saying that the
doctrine where we shouldn't allow any European powers in our hemisphere, but we have
ours all over every hemisphere in the world. So how does that work?
Is that turne or is it that freedom? Is that democracy? Is that
you know anarchy? How to you know? Can you tell me? There
you go? That's your three minutes right there now, be Pete, just
a quick interruption. I do want Jimmy James to answer, and I'll go
to him right next. But we have Harland hanging on the line as well.
I'm thinking we could invite Harlan in at some point to make a comment
and you know, suspend our we can comment later. But what do you
think about that? Bring Harlan in to make a comment after we get a
couple of more passes or one more pass year, what do you think?
Yeah, that sounds good. Okay, No, I just want to see
if you have another idea. I'll go with it. But I don't want
to, you know, have Harlan sang on there for nothing. It would
be good to have him maybe make a comment. Maybe he could ask a
question. I mean, we'll let him put his input in, but we
got to go back over to Jimmy James to answer that, which man's just
laid out right. Yes, okay, sorry, man, I'm just trying
to come up with a way. This is, you know, making this
up as I go along. So I'm going to begin Jimmy James tell I'm
not Yeah, I don't mean to be short, just yeah. I know.
We'll have time later to discuss this, because we're we're bouncing on the
edges some things that might need some clarification. Okay, well later you'll you'll
need time to comment on this as well. In other words, right,
okay, fair enough, So at some point be Pete reserves time to be
able to I feel like I'm running one of those judicial committee hearings that I've
been torturing myself listening too lately. Real ridiculousness with the grandstanding. I broadcast
part of it the other day on the stream. But anyway, so Jimmy
James deserve my time, and I yield back. There you go with that,
We go back to Jimmy James. We go to the gentleman from Michigan.
So oh that crap, Hey, dance, repeat what you said at
the end. Okay, I can't even remember what you said. I'm sorry.
This will not count against Jimmy James time. I'm going to advance back
on to repeat what he said at the end, go advanced. Could you
repeat that for him? I'm trying to think. I think I kind of
ended with you know, maybe this isn't really a debate about, you know,
the principles of anarchy and whether they relate to the beliefs of the founding
fathers or not. But maybe it's the fact that this government has not lived
up to and is not any longer any representation of what those principles the way
I believe them. In apparently the Jimmy believes them too, But there's some
discrepancy between what we believe was the intent whatever. But that you know,
there is obviously, you know, cabal, and he claims it's the Democrats,
that the Democrats just somehow, you know, got in there and took
over control of the world and now they rule the world. But I believe
remember us beyond them. Okay, So maybe you don't want to have that
debate, Jimmy, but you know that's maybe that's the debate that I'm you
know, Okay, that's what I'm concerned about, not not whether I'm right
about my anarchist views or not that this ship needs to change. Okay,
I'm gonna put you back on hold. Advance and Jimmy, now you remember
what it was you wanted to respond with. Yes, Okay, it's not
that I'm not willing to have that that they It's just we're in the mail
having an anarchy debate. I mean, we could talk about the invisible goal
of hin hand I suppose if that's where you want to go. But Vance,
I'll tell you what, open your eyes and watch TV. You don't
need secret worlds going on. There's plenty of crap going on Overtly, it's
pretty overt. People are pretty overt. And as far as the president,
will it really matter if Trump gets in? Yes, why because anyone who
studies the government realizes that the main problem with government is this huge, huge,
huge bureaucracy. And Trump, by god, he will tackle that bureaucracy.
And if he doesn't get in, there's a few other candidates that will
also, They say, And I that happens because I think they're the cause
of most of the problems. And in this country. Oh yeah, and
I forgot. I also want you're you're talking about our bases around the world.
Okay, Well, after two World War World Wars, yeah, we
learned a lesson. We decided we're not going to keep doing this. Those
bases are there to get you. Yeah, we occupied Germany in Japan for
a long time, but those bases. We are not colonial. We didn't
take over the world, even though we easily could have. In nineteen forty
six, we were the only standing nation for crying out loud. So if
we were as evil and greedy as you say, we would be in charge.
But unfortunately we let the world go there, true and let the world
sixty percent of the world go the communist way. For whatever his purpose was,
I guess just people were tired of war and they wanted an end to
it. So unfortunately that led to a pulled war. As far as the
history of anarchism, okay, the French had their communism, No, not
communism, they had their commonism where the people from the lowest ranks of society.
And this is how every other revolution has occurred, which is why they
have all failed. While they went eight knots and went, and he added,
all the rulers in the place went to pot and there's always a strong
man named Napoleon Rose. Then after that came the anarchists and Marxist theories,
and these things all took shave forty years after they failed. Journalists. Ironically,
one of the first journalists, Karl Marx, wrote as garbage before any
of it ever took place. Yeah, I can't name a place that is
being run by anarchical anarchism principles as you state them. If such a thing
were possible, to be fine by me. But it's not. That's just
not human nature. We do not live in that live, so we have
to live in the real world as it is the best we can and I
think I've done with yep. Actually, I gave you back your whole minute
that you didn't use during that, so I just cut you off there.
I think this might be an appropriate time to let Harlan in on the discussion
and see if he's got any comments about what he's heard so far, because
I think he's been on hold for the whole thing. Be pete any objections,
any object without objections or yeah, no, no objections. Okay,
you'll allow that into the record without objection. We'll read that into the record.
Yes, I have some letters here to submit, Joe. I'm sorry,
I just hurd a Liam hit the roof I'm checking on. But yeah,
no objects. How is the storm with you, by the way,
is it getting rough? Oh, it's pulling pretty good out there. Well,
we're getting up to sixty mile an hour winds down the coast, so
we're catching the ends of it here. But okay, you know, my
lot's covered with oak trees, so it's coming down a piece of time.
All right. Well, look, I hope everything goes okay for you.
So I'm gonna let Harlan on the line see if he's got any comments about
this, what he's listening to, what he thinks of it. We may
I have some commentary I might want to add, be Pete might have some.
Plus we're gonna have to take a break at some point. We're about
an hour in. So with that, let's go, let's go over to
Harland. First of all, Harlan, how you doing? Then? Well,
I'm trying to wolf down some waffle house here before it gets cold.
I mean probably about thirty man, probably about thirty Mattes. My eyes would
be like a cock. Besides that, I'm just listening to the show.
Gotcha, what do you want? You want to add any commentary or ask
or two debaters to any questions anything the gentleman from Tennessee would like to add.
Well, I just saw a few things out here. First of all,
you know, allegedly were supposed to pay. Republic says a democracy.
You know, I heard Jimmy said, boy was democracy how it gets stuff?
That sounds a little comedy to me, you know, Jimmy, you
gonna have to come back on me on that. But second about you know,
I'm not a Marxist. I've never read, you know, any of
his writings. Really, Besides a few paragraphs here and there, but from
what I understand called Mark is more pro gunn than Donald Trump and probably a
good portion of the Republicans because he said that, you know, the working
class, you know, needed to have armor something of that motion. And
I guess as far as the questions for both of'em, I think I
think really a question for Vance is more or less a comment. I like
what Vance is talking about and what a lot of anarchist in general are talking
about. They're not necessarily talking about anarchy, They're just talking about freedom in
general. I think that the word anarchy was used to, you know,
kind of ease those folks over into you know, a corner, paying them
into a corner, because the words got such a derogatory, you know,
meaning Tom Cooper, you know, he claims to be an anarchist. And
you know, really, as far as you know, the question that I've
got for Jimmy is it just seems like that he's so amazing just listening to
him, that it's always the Democrats and it's not the Republicans. Well,
why in these red states like Tennessee in Texas and Kentucky which Kentucky used to
have a Republican governor too, and he kept shitting in every bay station.
They was such a pukey, you know, the all the Libertarians came out
in force and they wind up losing and the shares beating. But anyway,
why are we not living in red state utopias when in these states that they
have supermajorities and they have Republican governors. Why is Tennessee in Texas? Why
do not they have every fucking promise that we've ever heard? Why is it
not God? I mean, explain that if everything is the Democrats fock?
Why and all these so called red state utopias is hit basically eighty nine the
same thing as it is everywhere else. And I'd just be a few a
little shiny, you know, fins hearing. I mean, why can you
not leave Michigan, move to Tennessee or Texas and be living in just Republican
flag waving head And I will at that point, I will abide my time
back and you know you can teach me when you go back the ground.
Okay, So with with with that, the gentleman from Tennessee submits so that
he can go and eat his waffle house before it gets any colder, I
find this money because you know Georgia. Again, everybody will go, oh
no, no, no, that's not true because of Atlanta and Savannah and
yeah no, Still you don't understand. This state is controlled top to bottom
by the Republicans. It is absolutely control. Uh. Look the mayor of
even though they're getting sued by the way wrongful death, all this weird stuff
going on over there over cops city, this and that Atlanta, uh,
and I allegedly live in a blue area in the state, weirdly enough.
But the thing is, the state really literally is controlled by overall, overwhelmingly
by the Republicans, by the GOP. Even the Democrats here generally admit it.
Okay, I know, we got killer Mike, and we got you
know, the advanced Bottoms who is no longer the mayor and what have you.
And Atlanta is a shiny blue area and all that it's supposed to be
purple and look like, Yeah no, that's not the reality of the state.
That that that that is not who absolutely controls the state House, who
absolutely controls the law. This is a red state. Also, do we
have a utopia in Georgia. Well, of course, you know, a
complaining person like myself would not see it that way, and I assure you
many other people do not, and not because it's not a democratic haven,
but because it just is dysfunctional, as are it seems like most places on
the map. Why is Texas not a utopian that's a good question. I
don't think you put anything hard to Vance there in your questions. No you
didn't. What did you say? I wrote a note here? Yeah,
okay, it was more of a comment. And you feel like Vance is
really advocating for freedom more than anarchy, and that anarchy is just one of
those words that has now been tarnished. It is not, you know,
even though philosophically it means one thing versus the practical usage and so on.
Yeah, I get it. That's kind of how I see it too,
is when people really discuss anarchy and anarchism, they are talking about freedom and
the concept of non aggression. Anyways, look, be Pete, We've taken
up about an hour. I do want to get to a break. But
should I go back around through Vance, through Jimmy James or should we go
to the break first? What are your thoughts here or would you like to
drop in some comments and then we go to a break. I mean,
up to you, man, Let's go to the break, and when we
come back, I got a short a little bit of comment, and then
we can go back around. Okay, but but I want to make sure
we keep it short so that we get through this with these two, because
we've already killed one hour to be real easy to kill a second one.
And I know mister long winded me has got to keep his mouth shut if
we're going to keep this tight. So all right, I'll go with your
plan. We'll go to a break, and we'll let be Pete comment on
the other side real quick, and we'll continue with this discussion, which I
think is more about the fact that these two do agree that we have a
dysfunctional circumstance where people's personal freedoms are not being served by the government and the
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We're having a discussion between Van Arkey, himself, Vance and Jimmy James,
and it is Vance's turn, so I'm gonna get right to him. But
first we're gonna go to my co host VPTE for a quick bit of commentary
regarding what's been discussed so far, and hopefully he's good and ready to go.
U b P, it's on you. The floor is yours, sir.
You have a certain amount of time, and you may recall your time.
I swear to god, those hearings are echoing in my head as I
sleep, that ridiculousness where they were grand standing in between. I know you're
not going to grandstand, so anyway, all you, sir, go ahead.
Thanks to the gentleman from Georgia. I'll want to take long now.
Harden brought up a good point when he mentioned that you know, we didn't
have a democracy, we had a republican And I know Wikipedia is the worst
place to go for something, but under a definition of anarchy, there is
a short little equipment here that I'd like to read and it's it's it's based
on the writings of Emmanuel Can't, who was a German philosopher, and he
treated anarchy in his anthropology from a pragmatic point of view, which was actually
a book that was put out seventeen ninety eight, I think it was,
and it was based on his teachings at the university for about twenty four years
up to about seventeen ninety six. And it says here that anarchy and his
definition is law and freedom without force. For can't and I'm gonna read straight
off here because it's quicker for can't, anarchy fall is sure of being a
true civil state because the law is only an empty recommendation. It forces not
included to make this law efficacious. For there to be such a state,
force must be included while law and freedom are maintained. A state which can't
cause a republic. And this is I'd like to point out that Advanced made
the comment that our Bill of Rights we're based on anarchy. He's very true
to a point in that these are rights, and we've heard others on the
show discussed natural rights and things of that nature. He's true in the fact
that that our basic the first things that come out of the Bill of Rights
are they are granted by odd They are life, liberty, and pursuit of
happiness. These things that make up those things that we are born with.
No matter your deity of choice, God gave us these things. They can
never be taken from us. They had to be pointed out in writing when
they were constructing a constitution, but they are based on anarchy. And Can
goes on to describe the types of government, and basically there's four and for
there to be such a state, force must be included, while law and
freedom are maintained a state which can't cause a republic. And here are his
four kinds of government. Law and freedom without force is anarchy. Law and
freedom without force. Number two, law and force without freedom is despotism,
and we've seen that in various governments, even in our own lives that are
going on, and it's going on in the world today. Number Three,
force without freedom and law is barbarism. And that's what we had in the
early histories of Asia and Europe, and not so much in this country.
Of force without freedom and law. And the fourth is forced with freedom and
law, which is a republic. And that's what we have in this country.
We have under the guise of force of the government, we have a
certain amount of freedom and law. And that's what they say. You know,
we're a nation of laws, not a nation of men, so we
are all these three discussions have all interconnected under the guise of an anarchy.
And when you look at what we mentioned earlier about the four perspectives of a
murder, you're seeing these four forces all mentioned by each of our three participants.
So I think it's amazing that these little aspects are coming out and they
all die together. That's all. That's all I got, fair enough.
Look, but again, it does get informed greatly by one's perspective. Somebody
who did nothing wrong and winds up getting shot and killed by the police might
feel as though they are dealing with a state that is acting out of barbarism
because they did nothing wrong and they're being abused by those who are armed,
who are empowered. So they have all that stuff and the law doesn't seem
to count there. That person's rights, natural or otherwise are kind of irrelevant
if they're dead and that happens, and you know what happens. I'm not
saying it happens all the time in all circumstances or it's supposed to be the
norm. But for somebody that's in that position, they might not view this
as this, you know, wonderful thing that is going on because they're on
the wrong end of it at the moment, and they may have done nothing
wrong. It does happen, and I would dare say there are people that
have experienced certain things that would say that, you know, at certain times,
not everybody had equal pieces when it came to this either, you know,
different reasons, different prejudice. Absolutely, No, I didn't mean to
give the intention that you know, there are aspects of these four types of
government described by Campt and you know they're all honkey dory. No, we've
seen despotism, we've seen barbarism. Barbarism goes on today in many parts of
that area of Africa that you know that Jimmy James might have wanted to describe
as as chaotic. You know, anarchy's taking place. It's just it's all
interconnected in our discussion. And so that's what I meant earlier about we've been
tap dancing around this move. It's all interconnected. You know the fact that
Harlem brings up the fact that, yes, we having type of government if
you look at it forced with freedom and law being a republic and law and
freedom without force anarchy. You know, it's almost like their their exact opposites.
Yeah, but should not be. And here's the thing about it right
altogether. And I'm gonna go to Vance next, and we'll let him begin
this discussion, and I'll turn it over with the comment that that Harlan had
for him that you know, basically it sounds more like he's describing freedom as
opposed to uh, you know, having to lug around the word anarchy or
anarchism or that philosophical point. But here's the thing again, I think your
experiences can simply vary and not like everybody gets and so therefore you could experience
barbarism regardless of what the alleged intent is. And I think again Vance and
Jimmy James would both agree that for whatever reason, they may have different reasonings
as to why this is the state. And I think that guy I always
heard him his name pronounced as Kant by the way somehow, but I know
who you're talking about. Anyway. The thing about it is that I think
we would all say that nothing is functioning as it should be or as it
could be. And you know, do we have that equal situation? Do
we have that circumstance by which there are people's freedoms being protected by force?
Is that what's going on? Is there that situation where those things that are
ensconced in the Constitution but are not granted by it? Okay, do we
have a circumstance by which that is being executed? Is that being well enacted?
Is that happening? Whether it's because of the bureaucracy, the political forums
at the moment, but it's kind of almost irrelevant. Do we have it
or do we not? And I think they would both agree that we don't
have the circumstance. We don't have the fully functional republic. We don't have
anywhere where there has been a fully No. Don't get me wrong, I've
never you've heard me to go on and on on this show. We have
in no way a functioning republic. You're not at the moment and not at
many moments. Now, it may indeed function to some degree like it's supposed
to do sometimes, but again, given the bureaucracy, given the ridiculousness of
what I witnessed watching those those uh, you know, god, the Judicial
Committee is just so ridiculous. Let me grandstand now for three minutes and yell
at this guy. Let me let me incoherently yell at this guy because I
want to scream my point of view, whether it's gun control or Hunter Biden
twenty times at the guy, just because I don't know what they're accomplishing outside
of creating sound bites that nobody's playing. By the way, I don't see
anybody replaying them, and I'm probably one of the very few idiots out there
watching this cespan feed. I don't think it's getting the ratings at the moment.
Anyway. Look, I'll put it all aside and let them get back
to it. So let's go to Vance, and I remind you of answered
the comment I think it was. You know, basically, Harland is saying
that what you're describing it's more about freedom than it is about even that word
anarchy or anarchism or that philosophical belief it's about people's freedoms that you are basically
preaching. That's his comment, not a question. He had a question for
Jimmy James, which I'll refresh on because I took notes, and I'll still
stick with the three minutes, and who knows, maybe this will break up
sooner or this will continue. I don't know. So with that vance you're
back on and you're three minutes will begin to say whatever it is you want
to say here, sir, well next to Harland and to DP for the
interjections there and appreciate that and the That's kind of my whole one of the
aspects of where I'm trying to get people to understand is that, yes,
those if we just take on face value the ideas and principles that the founding
fathers the way we do, you know, in the broad picture, only
that collective sense, you know, interpret those that in my mind, we're
based in anarchical principles and archistic principles, you know, based on the non
aggression principle and not having rulers. And so then I never heard it expressed
the way VP did about the republic versus the anarchy be and the without force.
But that's that's the whole basis of anarchy, is the non aggression principle,
which says, I can't force you to do something you wouldn't agree to
do. You can't force me to do something I wouldn't agree to do.
Everybody in the room can't force me to do You agree to have the authority
to force me to do something I want to do. So in a system
that has run that way, there's not a whole lot of kind room for
a lot of conflicts. In my mind that that promotes respect, mutual respect
with each other. And so you either you know, make an agreement and
work it out, or you go your separate ways and nobody's you know,
forcing you to you know, nobody's taking you to jail because you had an
ounce pot in your car even though you hadn't killed anybody or harmed anybody,
or you know, you've never you know that there's not any chance that that
bag of weed was going to harm anybody, and you know, but yet
you go to jail and get fined. And so these are all the same
kind of things that the King was enforcing against, you know, the the
colonists and stuff and so you know, uh, that doesn't mean that there
isn't a room for you know, it's obviously if I kill someone then you
know that's against the law. And and you know there has you know,
whether it's you know, if it was in a rural you know country where
you know, well maybe me and my brother's just go and take care of
it or you know whatever, you know, that kind of deal. But
the the truth, the fact in my mind at this point in time,
is that the the Constitution and all that was done to put limits on the
federal That's what the Republic and then the federal government only was supposed to have
these limited amounts of commissions of authority to interact in certain things, and that
has vastly gotten way corrupted. And you know, the first thing they did
was getting rid of the King's Bank and all that. Well you know how
many times it got back in was twice three times. You know, here
we go. So that that's that's what needs to be you know, fundamentally
updated. As the founding fathers, you know, had common sense enough to
say you should you know, we're gonna have to redo this, but they've
never done that. All as they've done is amended it to obtain their goals
and authority and and and popular. To Jimmy's belief, it's pretty much as
form with colonial Okay, fair enough, and I think I'll let you run
about ten seconds over. I'm not gonna keep track on that because I think
it's it's a small thing. We can give a little bit of leeway.
So I'll let Jimmy respond to that. Yeah about starting now, there we
go, not Jesus sexually, they respond on Marlin, get you to listen
to what I said, Marlin, I said democracy, which comes from the
Greek, from the people. Therefore, the United States is the only government
which was formed from the people, not from a god, not from a
pope, not from a mob. It was formed from the people after our
revolution with the British. Okay, why are Republicans better than Democrats? Well,
they just are. Look what they are doing. Do you like medical
tyranny? Do you like your children having secret sex change operations? Do you
like that the Democrats think that you and your children belong to them in the
government, because that's the way what they believe. And as far as you're
guess what, Harlan, I'm moving to West Virginia, which I've lived before.
I've lived all over the country in the world for that matter. Okay,
so are we passed? Harlan? How to be pete? Once again,
you're speaking of theories of philosophies that never happened or existed and events.
They're speaking of things now they were not inspired by anarchism. Once again,
that is ash backwards. There was no such thing as anarchism as a philosophy
until the nighteen hundreds. It's seventeen hundreds. They wouldn't know what the devil
you were talking about. Okay, where are we now? Where are we
now? I'm known debating like four people. Okay, Democracy, first off,
is just an adjective. It is not a form of government parliam That's
why I referred to America as a democracy. Of course, it's a constitutional
republic, but we are a form of democracy as an adjective. It's pretty
modern, used pretty freely because the press likes it because it sounds like democrats.
So they like to say democracy to have a republic, which sounds like
republican. So that's just news me be a bias at work, chief,
like white people spoke, did I have something that was sent my way that
I didn't answer. No, I think you actually adequately answered everything and within
time because your time would run out about here. So and I think he
answered every single person. So there you got something. Don't feel right?
I think you did, maybe Bass, I'll digraphs and wield all right,
Hey, look, I think you did. You did well answering everybody.
Actually that was well organized. Uh in my opinion, b Pete, what
do you think? Well, I got a few rhetorical remarks to make,
but other than that, yeah, he covered about everything. I don't think
he answered everything. I mean, whether you like his answers or not as
another question, but well, yeah, right answers it is flat out wrong.
Okay, we'll go we'll start with that. Well, why don't you
go ahead, and you know, if you want to add in your comments,
go right ahead, and then we'll oh, minor quick, yeah,
and minor quick. And it's where he addressed what I said. Well,
Jimmy, No, anarchy was around long before the nineteen hundreds. I can't
or kant or however you want to pronounce it, was writing about it back
in the late seventeen hundreds. He taught it for twenty four years before the
turn of the eighteen hundreds. So there, you're wrong too. I wasn't
discussing philosophies that have never existed. Every one of those four descriptions of government
given by Kant have existed. They exist today in all different parts of the
world. So too wrong there. Other than that, you know, we
can play word games with Republican Republicans, and you know, if if it
were so staunchly embedded on that, why did it take just before the Civil
War for the Republic of the Republicans do even come around? So you know
they were a later thought. They formed to go against slavery. We all
know that. That's common history. So yes, this country was founded on
a constitutional republic. It's a form of democracy. A true democracy is what
happened after the French Revolution for that series of times. And if you look
at the British Civil War, the French Revolution, the Fall of Somalia,
and other examples listed in that article I was referring to, Well, you
see where anarchy has happened through the course of time and in recent history.
So yeah, there's examples out there, that's all I got. Okay,
I think easily there's examples of barbarism that have occurred when you know, during
times of unrest and revolt, that's definitely occurred where you know, lawless and
completely aggressive behavior just prevailed over certain areas, So you could easily say that
happen. Funny thing I was thinking about this too. You ever noticed that
if you take a look at the different names of especially a lot of the
communist what we would generally describe as very seriously communist regimes, a lot of
times they involved both words in their descriptions. They're like the Democratic Republic of
you know, yes, what was it? Uh, there's a bunch of
them in the Middle East, I know that for sure. There's some in
Asia where literally that's like there, that's their proper title. They're the Democratic
Republic, Communist China, North Korea. Yeah, they all have Democrats,
but it's usually the Democratic Republic of something that would democratic Republic of Germany.
Wasn't that was the communist side of things? That was the east side of
the of the Iron Curtain? I think so? And oddly enough, wasn't
there also like a democratic Republican party or a Democrat or something like that at
one point two during the evolution that I think the Democratic Republicans were for slavery,
and then the Republicans were against slavery. Was that I don't know.
I read about this not too long ago, and I don't know why I'm
not retaining the information, but I seem to remember that there was a party
that contained both names at one point, right, I mean in America,
I think, yeah, I don't know. I think it was the Jeffersonian
Republican Party. Was that what? And they called themselves like the Democratic Republicans
or the Republican Democrats or something like that. It was they were, Yeah,
they're founded in seventeen ninety two. They finally petered out in eighteen thirty
four. Okay, No, I mean I was Jefferson and James Madison started
him. Yeah. I mean, I'm not trying to get involved in the
argument about whether we should use that word or not. I'm just saying that
often it both of them are used to describe something that none of us would
really want any part of, because I think nobody is all for the well.
Although I got to say that purely, I don't think there's ever been
a pure enactment of the concept of communism either, because that always gets corrupted
and becomes tyrannical as do It seems like I don't know that that's been said.
You know that, well, true communism has never really been experienced,
and I'm thinking, well, no, I think communism, true communism,
has pretty much been experienced. We've seen it happen, we've seen it rise,
we've seen it fall, and now we see it over you know,
two great regions of the world. But during the fall, it's never really
operate, see as per usual. And this is the problem. It's not
operating according to its own you know, its own rules. And there are
you know, oligarchs and people that are gathering a great deal more than the
rest. You know, it's not like everybody's got an equal share of stuff,
you know, in the commune. It seems to happen that a way,
and that's usually where things spiral out of control. It looks like to
me. Now again maybe it's just my reading of the histories, but that's
the way it is. Even Rome, if you take a look at look,
Rome is supposed to be run by the people and all that, and
yeah, as soon as you have you know, people aggregating power onto themselves
and their own little special groups this is the problem. You can take any
pure form of government in description you can write down, you know, you
can take the teachings of communism, the teachings of republicanism, however you want
to look at it. You know, it involves being implemented by humans.
And humans are fallible, and there is a certain strain that runs through this
world called evil that some people don't like to admit exists. And that's where
things get bent. Any philosophy on paper will work. It's when you try
to apply at a real world situations where things fail. You know. It's
like our own government. Yes, we had a constitution and we had a
bill of rights, but looks so how far we've strayed in just what over
two hundred years, how far we have strayed from that right? And I
mean it's you know, anything that is created by man will fail, plain
and simple. You can take it from an engineering point of view, or
governmental point of view, or philosophical point of view. Anything made by man
will fail. Well, there you go. Everything is fine. Everything is
finite one way or another. It has a beginning, it ends up with
an end. With the exception of you know, the concept of the deity,
which may be outside of those rules, but all things that we create
or we see on this planet have a beginning and an end, so you
know, that's just the way it is. Anyways, I want to get
back to I'm going to Advance and Jimmy trade a few more times, I
guess, and then I don't know where we should go from there. Think
about how we should conclude the spe Pete if you don't mind, come up
with a plan, if you would, and we'll see how we come through
this, because we're already about an hour and a half deep, and you
know, I think this has been interesting for sure. Want to let you
know, Vance get at it. I'm not attacking anybody, by the way.
I'm trying to remain as objective as possible here through this discussion and let
these guys go at it themselves. Just controlling it so we don't have,
you know, a bit of chaos in Sue, because that's I don't like
chaos. Although chaos does occasionally have its uses, I don't want to bring
order out of chaos on this show. At least, I'd like to make
it listenable, and I think it's gone pretty well so far, so I'm
happy with that. Anyway, we also got to get back around to Harlan
and then we'll probably close it out pretty soon. So think about an exit
strategy, if you will be Pete while I run this once again by Vance
and Jimmy James. Okay, well say, of course I try to roll
things on the computer screen and it gives me issues. Anyways, Advance,
you're back on, and uh, you know, try to stick to the
topic at hand and whatnot. But you know, go ahead, well,
basically you know the topic at hand I guess at this point is the the
well I just put there. Thanks for Pete for putting in the republican versus
anarchy part about the you know, one with force and one without force and
all that. So let's just say we went with the republic definition of that.
But as I was during this street earlier, the main reason for the
Constitution was to keep that power in check and to have a very limited scope
of that power. And even like right now to day, the president's got
powers that Jefferson and Adams and people would be like freaking out. You know,
you can't and give those people those powers and and and so you know
that needs to be done away with. It has to be you know,
it is no longer operating under that type. You know, it is way
out of control and beyond the basic principles of what could just be declared as
as a true republic in that sense that if you know, it is out,
if it's acting beyond its means, and it's been amended to allow them
to act beyond its means, and that's been accepted as the social norm.
Well, you know, nothing's going to change much if you think this is
just the way that's supposed to happen. And you know, it's obviously not
working out too well. And you know, we've been voting, you know,
sixty two years I've been on this planet, and it seems to be
worse off now than it's ever been, you know, and you know,
so there needs to be a serious uh look at you know what it is.
It's actually leading to that factor. And so if it's not really a
true democracy anymore as it is, what's leaning towards that barbarism thing or you
know, fascism, corporatism. You know, it seems like it's all pretty
much the same stuff going on that was going on back in the in the
colonial times. But it's a whole lot easier for them to do, and
they've got a whole lot more technology, and you know, six hundred eight
hundred daces all around the world, and you know, but that's not colonialism.
That's just to make us all peaceful. But we're not peaceful, you
know, it's not it's not no utopia that's been established by this system.
So you know, I just think we need to wake up and face the
facts. So fair enough, I hear you're dropping off, so I'm assuming
you're not going to use your last thirty seconds. Again, I think the
two of you would agree, quite honestly that, regardless of where your philosophy
begins, we do have a currently non functioning system that should be behaving a
certain way, and we have circumstances that are not as advertised at the moment.
I think that would be something that both of you could agree on.
But again, I'm just trying to get to that. So with that,
I'll go over to Jimmy and start his time. Well, first off,
I gotta go way back to be pe Okay, Okay, first off,
I'm not wrong, but that's cute. I've read the federalist papers, I've
read the anti federalist papers. I've read the ladders to Jefferson, because he
wasn't even in the country when the thing, the Constitution was being written.
He was the minister to France or Britain. No, there's no mention of
a mister Kunt in any of those documents. There's no mention of anarchism.
People didn't. There may have been a guy in the seventeen hundreds, meaning
mister Kunt, talking about anarchist principles and philosophies, but guess what, no
one knew about it, so it never happened, kind of like the Vikings.
Sure they may have discovered America, but it wasn't on the map until
Columbus did it. He did it, they didn't. That's reality. And
while we're speaking on reality. No, the Constitution wasn't made to do this,
that and the other thing. It was made by the states to form
a country. If there had not been a constitution, there would be no
America. And before they would either talk about a const institution, they made
them agree that there would have to be a bill of rights, otherwise there
would be no America because why would the little states put up with tyranny from
the bigger states or the more populated states, and yet things are definitely not
running optimal. But I can guarantee they're running better than they are and the
rest of the world. I've been there. It's a ship hole. I
don't want America to turn into a shipole country. So please please put disparaging
your own country and help improve it. I would invite everyone listening to get
involved with the Convention of States movement. Thank you. And that's where you
end your commentary. Now, yep, unless there's some further attack, I
may want a coup her comment, but okay, I'm good there. Okay,
so I'll put you back on hold. Each of them didn't use about
thirty seconds of their time of peace, so we're going to call that even
that's the way I'm running it. So be pete. I get a rebuttal
though I'm pulling right. Uh, okay, you're you're a rebuttal. And
if you I since I assume it's going to be a rebuttal to what Jimmy
James had to say. Uh, looks to me like I gotta I gotta
open his line back up and not go to vance next and we'll just see
where from. This is just a simple point This is the first known political
usage of the word anarchy, which is Ancient Greek, appeared in plays by
Ashleyston Sophoky Sophocles in the fifth century BC. Ancient Greece also saw the first
Western instance of anarchy as a philosophical ideal, mainly but not only, by
the Cynics and the Stoics. So it's as old as dirt. When you
get a PC after it, you've been around a while. I want to
hear anything about, Oh, it didn't exist until a certain amount of time.
It's been around since they had words. Thank you. Yeah. His
thing was, it's not in the constitution, it's not in our papers.
But did it exist as a point of discussion, as an idea, as
something that was attempted to be instituted in various ways? I would say that
some of the Greek city states attempted all sorts of different ideas, organizations,
governmental principles. And you can't say that we don't have some of our stuff
here in the US based on the Greek or more directly the Roman system.
We even have a capitol hill just like they had in Rome. We have
a senate like they had in Rome. Just saying there are certain things that
were adapted and adopted from earlier ideas literal constructs or philosophies. And yeah,
the Greeks talked about anarchism, I mean it comes from but there their words.
But was it part of the formation of the United States. I think
that's what Jimmy James was saying. It wasn't part of that because he doesn't
go with the idea that Vance has said that well, it was inspired by
the ideas. The ideals that were being put forth by the founding Fathers were
inspired by this concept that people should be free and not simply forced to do
things. I think that's where Vance was going. That's where he was going.
But Jimmy, Jimmy has spoken for himself on this, and there you
go. I feel like we've concluded with everything. But I should probably let
him come back on and answer what it was you had to say there and
see if that's what his point of clarification is. But I also want to
get back around to Harlan, so I won't ask you, Bpete. Actually,
I'll just let Jimmy James back on for a quick pass at this,
and then I'll go to Harland after that, and then we'll see where we're
at, because we're probably getting towards the end of the show here and I'm
not sure what we accomplished. Maybe we got a trade back and forth a
little more. I'll check with Advance also see if he's got anything else he
wants to add before we're done for sure. But let's go to Jimmy James
first. I'm so slow on these buttons tonight. I'm sorry about that,
guys. I'm trying to give everybody equal and proper time. So Jimmy James,
I figured I just go to you first. Yeah, ahead, your
summation, they'll do the of course, that's what I meant. And yeah,
the word exists to before, so did the word pharmacia. And if
you just said that to h Thomas Jefferson, you just said, well,
pharmacia do you too, motherfucker? Maybe a pharmacy. Pharmacy is a yeah,
another Greek construct, and that's where you got your magical stuff from,
so you know it. Yeah, well, no, I feel like there's
one other thing, just like covering, I'm supposed to mention. Sure.
No, Basically, like I've always said, every one of us is some
form of libertarians. Are we not all of us would rather have more power
in the hands of us than the government. We all agree on this,
I think, unless we have some kind of hidden tyrants somewhere, see everybody
that pretty much everybody who puts up with me, Jimmy, James and at
all and winds up coming around here pretty much has some sort of libertarian ben
because that's at the bottom of it all, is that one way or another,
I feel we should be able to determine the you know, be choices
in our own lives a lot more than some governmental agency. I think we
have a right to that by virtue of our creation. I would say,
you know, be pizza uses the word God, and that's fine, that's
fair enough too. But whoever you think created you is fine. You were
created at some point, even if it's just from your parents getting together,
you were created. So by virtue of your creation, even if you are
an atheist, Yeah, you have these rights and they should be supreme,
whether they're on a piece of paper or not. That's the way I feel
about it. But we could all vary. The interesting thing with libertarianism and
the the thing I've always got to go over with them, and it always
bothers me is that you know, it's like, yeah, I agree with
you almost all the way there, until we get to a point where there's
some sort of dispute. Then what And they go, well, then that's
when you go to court, And I go, oh, there is a
whole other problem. They're going to the court, you know, And and
this this is where I want to know. How is it that we would
settle disputes? Because there will be disputes, there will be injured parties,
there will be damaged and taken property at certain points that will happen, which
which could lead to legal legalism, which isn't no good. That's where my
problem is. Because you let them run society. Oh boy, you want
to see what tyranny and barbarism really looks like. I figure, if we
let them run at wholesale, we'll we'll see it all and mostly by people
who will you know, the whole philosophy of hey, hire half the poor
to kill the other half. That's the kind of thing that those kind of
minds do. Right. You asked me once what you said, Well,
there's a constitutional party, how can you garnage? Didn't that or I looked
into it? But the way I look at them as they are far too
legalistic, whereas I'm quote more in the good sense libertarian, not in the
sense of necessarily that parties believe. I'm just saying libertarianism, I should say.
And it's the only party I've ever registered to vote under. Technically speaking,
I've registered as an independent and a libertarian, nothing else, which you
know, meant that I was never involved in primaries. But yeah, just
saying, just for the record again, that's the only parties I've ever registered
with. Matter of fact, the last I still have not registered to vote
in the state of Georgia. The last registration I would have, I bet
your BP could find it would be as a Libertarian in North Carolina. All
right, So with that, Jimmy James, I'm gonna put you on hold.
Excuse me, I didn't mean to cough in your guy's ears, those
of you listening out there. I want to go back around to Harlan and
then check them went in with Vans and uh. Then we're gonna be getting
pretty close to our time limit. I don't know if we want to go
over it a little bit tonight. We could, but I don't want to
go too far over it, but just a little doesn't bother me. Anyways,
Let's go over to Harlan and be Pete. I don't know if you
got something else you want to comment on, but I figure after Harlan you
could go and we should check back in with Vans to make sure that we've
kind of concluded most of this for at least what we can do with a
couple hours on my show, Harlan, did you choke down that waffle house
yet? Did you get that down? Whatever you got from there, which
had to include some hash Browns? Probably Okay, Yeah, I've already done.
I eat, I've done a lot to sparking a lot, went inside
and took a thump, come back out right here and smoke time. I
can say great time. I got back around. But I'm sorry, man.
Look, we had this debate that apparently needed to be had, so
I tried to have it and tried to control it best I could. Something.
Therefore, I forget about it. I've been made it sing last couple
of weeks. When we go to break about une about it, if we
got somewhere to say, or we're gonna kiss something out out to talk about
something that we can do that would just say, can I like to read?
If you know what? I probably should do that, But when I
used to, sometimes I would have a hard time getting everybody's attention, like
I want to go back to air now, guys, uh, and everybody
would continue talking. And that's sometimes how I ended up with like ten minute
breaks because I'm sitting there trying to get in between everybody. But yeah,
I'll do that. I'll start doing that during the breaks. I'll un mute
everybody that why not? What the hell? Uh, it's not like it's
gonna be on listening. We gonna slip missus. I will fifty or something
to get hurt to break it. I look, I don't want to encourage
her to do anything during the breaks anymore. Caused me enough trouble. Uh.
I'll leave that at that. But yeah, yeah, I got you
don't know I can do that, Harlan, Anything else you got on your
mind or anything you want to add into the discussion. What hell I've forgot
about most of it? An? How you know my memories getting more?
You know, it's it's slipping a lay a little bit more all the time.
But I will slay back to my original question. You know, Jimmy.
In my original comment, I will start out, I felt like,
for you know, many years, I feel like I'm a high fass libertarian
myself. You know, the decent part of libertarianism stay out of other people's
business. I think bothering you don't bother mawn so forth, so long.
I don't believe in this, you know, ruled by lawsuits and just another
grief. You know a lot of these just straight up just they're just hucking
crooks, is the best way. That's what I get from. You know,
they're just looking for like some hierarchy, you know that let some chicken
shit smile business in the big corporations run. You know, they're wanting a
well fire off of young crony captas or you know, set up a situation
where you know, you can't buy anything that it doesn't cost a arm and
a leg or a pension, you know, so to speak. But back
to my original comments, Jimmy, I really don't feel like I don't know
if he didn't understand my question or what. But you know all these things
that you said, I'm here in the same old think. Well the Democrats
this, the Democrats at well, you know, in these red state utopias.
As far as I'm concerned, Tennessee is a lot more supermatority than what
Georgia is. Texas is probably more supermanture than what Georgia is. But that's
just two, you know, easy pickings, easy point in mount states.
Why are we not living in a rich state utopia? Why do we gonna
have all this stuff they've campaigned on for years? Then when they get there,
they do nothing. Let's like, you know, you could probably you
know, slip around and say this that mother about Trump's first two years when
he had majorities and both houses of converse plus the Supreme Court. But we
won't get started talking on his flip flopping on his abortions this week. I
don't guess we've got timeless you want to come back to that. But anyway,
little little thing Harlan real quick though, he did say, well real
quick. He did say he wants to move to West Virginia, I think,
which would be a red state also, and he does think that it's
better there than where it is she's at. Yeah, so what I want
I'll get back to West Virginia, and I say it. I just like
to know why has they never been a time, and we've started a new
legislature, and some of these red states or even back when you know Trump
was elected and took the throne in twenty seventeen, but especially in supermajority red
states, why don't they come up and say, hold it, folks,
right here it is. We have arrived, and they're gonna sit down for
two or three weeks or a month and go down and pass all this stuff.
They're supposed to make it a red state. You've told you of the
stuff to take fund raised off of, the grifted off of with a grifting
for dollars, drifting for boats. Why has that never happened? You said
a few three weeks ago something about why would Arkansas date thirty pro life builds
here? Again? That's that red meat flipping that, you know, flipping
them something back, you know, giving them back a little bit, you
know, to the giving them will do that gimmick. But war is you
know you freedom of speech across the boat were some of these laws, you
know, coming out of some of these social media platforms that were discussed.
And to the point about West Virginia. The only time that I ever really
thought West Virginia was a big deal was back when I first started driving,
at first two or three months, when most everything was up in the northeast.
And when you got to West Virginia, you've seen a speed limit signed
it said seventy miles an Now, man, you thought, you know,
you've got someone and unfortunately one of them to sin to tie this isle in
is you've got people that thinks in a lot of cases when you see these
flag labors, you know when they standing narrow for flag in one hand in
the Bible and the other stealing all this rhetoric and you know, slanging the
all these gimmicks around. Well, okay, Jimmy, when you're moving from
Michigan to West Virginia, you probably think that's a big thing. Me personally,
I do not. Are you moving us a little bit? But moving
West Virginia you probably are. But West Virginia at one of other places,
it's just better than some other places up north. The same way, just
like basically West Virginia is you know somebody's cousin that lived up north to kind
of move down the road, you know, and they got a little bit
better pot. You know, they got some moonshine. But it's just like
Idaho. Is Idaho better than the rest of the West Coast? Is it
more freer? Yes? It is, but it's not what people thanks that,
HIDDI. Yeah, I always find that interesting. I've actually got friends
who went to Idaho, people I went to school with and stuff, and
they decided to live there. And I constantly hear about how, you know,
people are fleeing from Camifornia, California, which by away made a huge
mistake and did not realize Nature Boy wanted to join via Skype and totally you
know, got got into this debate thing and just missed him. Anyways,
are entertainment, Yeah, I mean I forgot to add him, so I
messed up. Anyway, Sorry, Nature Boy. I'll get you in next
week because we're gonna be way out of time here. I guess I should
let Jimmy James answer that. I want to get back around advance though,
But Jimmy so organized your thoughts. Maybe you want to say something back to
Harlan, but be pete. I don't know. It's interesting to me when
there's all these mass movements. It's better to go here, it's better to
go there, And that does happen from time to time. I saw mass
movements from you know, the northeast to Florida for retirement purposes. I saw
people then suddenly decide that South Carolina and North Carolina to a lesser degree,
but South Carolina especially was a great haven for them because they would have freedom,
their money would go further, stuff like that. And there were exoduses
from certain areas. And I see that, and people move And I gotta
tell you, after a little while, things shuffle around. And I don't
know how much does it improve when people move around. I can't. I
mean, I I constantly complain about certain things where I am in the South,
about food and things, But in reality, there's certain things that are
better here than they were in Jersey. As far as you know, the
people run in the joint, it's a lot easier on me. I'd take
Kemp over Chris Christie any day, as strange as that might sound. You
know, I'd rather have a beer with Chris Christie. I'd rather talk to
Chris Christie. But but you know, the way this is run, it's
a little easier on me in some ways. It's harder on me in a
lot of other ways. It's a mixed bag. It seems like, you
know what it's trade offs when you make a move like that, and I
don't know. I guess that your experience may vary if that's the thing you're
looking for. I don't know. West Virginia was definitely a weird place to
end up in when I was traveling for a bit by car. It definitely
felt like a change to me when I got there. Certainly the behavior was
way different than it was in the Northeast for me, just like Harlan was
explaining. But I don't know, you know, doesn't really change things.
After all, you take your grievances with you a lot of times, and
you know, the actual experience of doing something does vary sometimes from what the
idea of it is, and I often bring that up to people when they
talk about having kids. Anyway, I'll put Harlan on hold. I think
I should get back around advance and also let Jimmy James answer, and then
maybe we'll be done for the night. To be Pete. Unless you got
something else in mind, what do you think? Well, that sounds good,
but I would like to clarify one thing that was said earlier when I
said that, you know, still was pretty much have a libertarian bent to
some degree. Well yeah, maybe under this current regime. But I would
love to be a dictator and rule with an iron fist. See now,
now you're getting into something that I think universally happens with most people that have
strong opinions. Almost everybody thinks in their mind they have the great dictator answer.
If I just ran everything I know best, like you know all that
stuff that Trump used to say, I alone can fix this. I know
what to do. I think there's some part No, no, no,
no, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I have that. No,
it's not about fixing anything. It's ruling with an iron fist. Oh
that's the subject of the day. So you just want to rule. Oh
yeah, screw fixing anything. If I'm in charge, nothing needs to work.
Okay, Hey, look, everybody's got their own motivations. Cool,
all right. But but either way, I think there's some part of everybody's
ego or personality if they have strong opinions, that's as uh, I know
how to do this the right way. How about that, whether it's just
a rule with an iron fist way because it's my way, Well, but
that's the thing, is your way is better right in your mind, whether
it really is and how bad that could be. I think it'd be pretty
good. But Dave, that's neither here nor there. Okay, So be
Pete would be a dictator with an iron fist given the chance. Uh,
just you know I would like to be you know, I would like to
be the benevolent dictator. How about that? You know, the guy who's
like, oh, look at how generous he is. I I want to
be that guy. Well, I got a couple of cabinet positions I'm thinking
about, so nice. Thank you. So the day that we get be
Pete the dictator, watch out because I might be part of it. Thank
you. I appreciate that. So should we get Yeah, let me go
around the vance real quick. This is too funny. I like how we
can still have fun with this? Why not vance? We're getting close to
closing out business pretty much, so uh, And I know I got to
get back around at Jimmy James because Harlan had a few things to say to
him. So anything you want to add here before I let Jimmy answer Harlan?
Basically, Uh, Dad onto b Pezzer buttle about the anarchy existing and
all that it definitely goes back to Greece and in the there was originally kind
of first practiced and during the year of the Tyrants for DC, when there
was no ARCon In in Greece. So the natural rights and the principles of
anarchy have been around, you know, definitely since those time with Socrates and
Plato and all of that. And Jimmy James mentioned John Locke, and you
know, John Locke was a big proponent of natural rights and uh lots of
socratical type of stuff, and so I'm sure he's probably a lot more closer
to anarchy and anarchist than the Jimmy James would like to believe. And you
know, to to Harlan's comment or adding and while ago about you know,
why can't you just go to that state and you know, be because we
are no longer a functioning republic. The federal government is the tyrant. That
the federal government is the tyrannical beast. The United Nations, all that is
a criminal enterprise, the Federal Reserve, the fractional banking system, bis,
all of it. And you know, so that's we got to face it
if we want to change it, because you know, theyre we are not
pulling the strings. Doesn't matter who they elect up there, the people that
are pulling the strings are going to pull in the strings until we understand that
we don't need them. They need us to need them, and they do
that by fomenting all these divisions and disparities and getting you to blame your problems
on the immigrants and and everything. So you know that that's the realization.
We are not in a republic anymore. This is a tyrannical situation. We've
got the government force people to take vaccines that are killing babies and people.
So I mean, come on, man, I mean, it's just blowing
my mind at this point that you know, this is even how could even
get this far? You know how how stupid are we are. So I'm
sorry, I'll let that go. Well, there you have it, and
Vance I'll put you on hold. But again, I say, Rascheman,
the effect is in effect because everybody sees this a little differently, right,
Uh. It is fascinating to me, And I pointed out on Twitter earlier
today, I think I hashtagged it can can America get any dumber? When
I see that? You know, the CIA trained Anderson Cooper is out there,
you know, doing a whole hour tonight I think it was, or
maybe it's tomorrow night. I don't know. He's doing some special where he
wants to focus on the fringe of conspiracy theory and how bad has it gotten
and the people that are waiting still for JFK and JFK Jr. To re
emerge from their faked deaths. Yeah, Anderson Cooper's actually gonna bring that to
this CNN. Okay. I know that there's going to be a high rated
audience at some point. I'm gonna try and watch it just to see what
the hell they're talking about. But I'm sure it's going to begin with that
idiocy that occurred what was it a year or two ago on Deeley Plaza.
They were waiting for JFK Jr. To come back from the dead and join
Trump right there in Dallas on the anniversary of the assassination, and in fact,
his dad might have showed up with him. Because they're waiting for both
of them to re emerge from their faked debts. There are people with a
straight face believe this. So is it in the water. I don't know.
There's something wrong, though, there is something wrong with people's ability to
critically think if they wholeheartedly believe in that. And I had to ask Anderson
Cooper directly on Twitter, and I doubt he answered me. I haven't checked,
but I doubt he answered me. Is this out of a CIA handbook
or is this, you know, something you came up with on your own?
Really, because I mean, this is just the perfect thing to put
out there for stupidity, to get us rolling toward the inevitable JFK solution that
I'm sure National Geographic as a program I haven't checked yet, but I'm sure
National Geographic as a program for it. The other cable channels will rerun their
stuff if they didn't develop a new one. I'm sure there'll be specials on
it because of the sixtieth anniversary, and it's gonna be a whole lot of
once again having to argue with the official conclusion versus all of us crazy people.
And that's the way it's going to continue, because it's been effective so
far to keep us from I don't know, actually investigating this properly having the
powers that are allegedly are do their jobs about this. Yeah, So that
kind of sums it up for me. But I'm gonna let Jimmy James in
to respond to a couple of things that were brought up, and then I
think I'm gonna get a final word from everybody or something like that, or
maybe I'll just close it out. We'll see where we end up. But
Bpe, get ready to close out the show. We'll do it soon.
We are a little bit over two hours, so we've done our job for
the night the way I see it, And I did my best to marshal
the discussion a bit guide it, but not control it as far as the
content. Wanted these two guys to speak for themselves who had a bit of
a okay, it wasn't a controversy, but a bit of a back and
forth in the chat room, and hopefully we've actually accomplished something and given you
the listeners something to think about in the process. So anyway, and I'm
not all about confrontation and debate. That's not always what's necessary. Sometimes it's
just good to blow off steam, let things out, inform people about stuff,
give them something to think about separate from what it is they're being typically
fed elsewhere. That's really what I like to do. It's not always about
let's debate, let's have a contest, let's see who's right. In fact,
if you had all the right answers, I would be glad if you
gave them to everybody and we could all utilize them, because I'd love to
see the right answers about all of it. And the dysfunctional situation that we
find ourselves in. We got to say, at least, it's not a
satisfactory circumstance that everybody's in at the moment. If you don't believe me,
go to the grocery store. See if you're satisfied with that. See if
you can afford anything there. Because I'm having a hard time personally, and
I know a lot of other people are. Can you afford to live?
At this point? I saw a thing on the poorest county in the country
because regular Joe sent it to me because he lives there. So he sent
me this thing on the county in Kentucky, which is allegedly the poorest spot
in the country. I don't know if that's true, but a guy did
a YouTube video about it, and some statistics say it is. And if
that is, where a lot of us are headed toward, because it doesn't
seem like people's quality of life is improving under the current circumstance. Maybe it
is for some, and there are more billionaires than there used to be,
But what's happening to the majority of people? And is it all their own
doing? Or is this the way the system is supposed to be functioning according
to those that control it? Is this the musical chairs of the circumstance,
the way it's supposed to roll. Leave those questions open to you, the
listener. So anyway, Jimmy James, put you back on to say whatever
you want to say, and I think we're gonna get close to a rolling
this up for the night, So go ahead, Jimmy. Well, if
you look at after the votes dam near, the whole country geographically will be
read with the occasional disturbing blue blob. So it's not so much a region
as it is a city class versus country class situation. And you ask,
well, where is your paradise? Well, you're in it, buddy.
Guess what. For the first time in the history of the United States of
America, the Southern region outdid economically. It outperformed every other region. California,
which want what is due to lose five seats of Congress because so many
people have left, and the Northeast, which was the economic capital before California,
well they're in the toilet and they've lost a bunch of seats and are
gonna lose a bunch of more seats in Congress because people are voting with their
feet. And I didn't pick this place out of my ass. My mother
was born and raised where I'm going. She's living there right now. We
want to go where it's warmer. Where I live right now, it's perfectly
fine. I may live in You think my state's blue. Once again,
I say, look at the electoral map where I live. There is no
tyranny. We didn't wear those stupid masks. You kidding me? No,
that crap don't fly here. You want to see your principles in action,
then come on up here and look around. Maybe you'll be the first time
you've seen freedom. I don't know. I will tell you that the more
people you live amongst is directly connected to the amount of freedoms that you will
enjoy. Individual individual results will vary. We all are created equal under the
law. Under the law, but we are not all created equal. I
do not play basketball as well as Michael Jordan even now when he's sixty eight
years old or whatever he is, he'd kick my butt. That's tragic but
true. I am not a music man. Our host can play the guitar
and sing and can rock out with some heavy metal. I do not have
artistic talents. I wasn't. He was born with something that I was not.
For instance, I'm sure he would happily give it up for the eyes
if we switched ice. Yeah, you could probably beat me a basketball.
You could probably beat me at basketball. Jimmy James just saying I was never
good at that. I might I might be able to pull that off,
So I'll give myself that. There you go. So yeah, people,
very everything varies. All I could says. I love y'all, God bless
you all. Good night. There you have it, Jimmy James ending on
a positive note. So how do we how do we conclude this evening's event?
If you will be Pete, what are your thoughts here? What should
we do? Well, we can get everybody's last comments and go ahead,
and clothes are all now okay? Well, I think we got perfect clothes
from Jimmy James already, and I appreciate you, man. I get what
you're saying. I do. And you know, look, people have told
me that about Michigan. Outside of Detroit and Flint. You know, a
lot of people feel as though, no, this is this is definitely not
what you think it is here. And uh, all right, the Northeast
has gone through it's interesting time period and it will change up again. I'm
sure it's fascinating how these things are shifting. I don't think anybody's doing super
well. But but but then again, I haven't looked at this idea about
the South out performing. I think I read something about it, but I
didn't really study it deeply. It could be true. I know that we
see different ships. I have people telling me the Texas is the up and
coming place actually, which I find strange because aren't they being like invaded at
the border and destroyed because of the you know, the influx of immigrants.
But there, there you go. There's a topic for you at another day.
So I think we should go around. We'll get to Harlan first so
that he doesn't fall asleep or go back to the waffle house again, and
then we'll let vance go and uh, then you be Pete and we'll conclude
this. That's the way I'm gonna run it anyway. I think that's the
best plan. Let's see. Where where is Harlan? Oh? There he
is? Me again? Slow on the button. So again Harlan. Hopefully
he didn't decide to go back to the waffle house. Although if you,
if you took a solid enough dump like you described, maybe maybe you need
to go back and refill. But up to you and wapple House always causes
me to have to hit the head pretty hard. Usually I blow up a
spot when I do that. But I haven't eaten at the waffle house in
a while. How is it? Man? Wait a minute, I'm gonna
rule it with an iron fist here and say that on this show, you
don't mention the awful waffle unless you have enough to share with everyone. Oh
okay, rule after staris and some stories. Baby, that would that would
be socialism, you know. Pull you set up with a big straps.
You're gonna get your own wobble house. Come on back, go get your
own. I got hey, I love it all right? Well the awful
waffle I mean, tell you what you've lived anywhere any length of time.
You can write a book about incidents at the Awful Waffle. Of course you
can, all right, I could write a book about the foul moments came
from. Yeah, as could I. You know what, you know what
I really missed too is that is I used to go and get to take
out cheap cheeseburger and it seems like they got rid of that. Uh and
that thing was greasy. I didn't even I think they added grease to it.
Uh, I really do. It's like, okay, you know,
like I said, when the first out period plans as to be like a
cock girl when you love you Barry, Yeah, he was talking about the
post county in Kentucky. For I saw several stories that that would be the
county next to may Over in Belle County, Kentucky. And I can touch
on that real quickly, you know if you want me to. Yeah,
sure, I saw it represented as McCreary, but go ahead, okay,
Well, uh McQuary you know must have beat out Belle can because for a
few years I've not kept up on the wow full or five years ago hit
was you know supposed look ordin. You know some stories on the internet was
the I was I actually coordinate and you know, I'm a rich fugee from
over there. We left there and I was about nine or ten to move
over Tennessee because the fucking Texas was adam howand vehicles and you know, the
insurance was higher. You know, you know things that and as a friend
of mine says, you know, there's more socialists left in Bell County,
Kentucky than what they are you know, left in Cuba. You know,
you know Middlesborough, which you know is the biggest city in the county,
used to be a hub of industry, you know, many years ago,
and you know we had coal mines around there and noses boomed and busted ever
since. You know that Thomas Walker, you know, discoverage, you can
you could squeeze a little all out of it, or you know, you
could set far to it. But you know, it's just been years and
years and years of you know, local share cropping and you know, you
have, you know, in my opinion a lot of other people's opinion,
not only do you have, you know, source poverty. Some people would
say, you've also just got this pension of you know, basically we're starting
probably on the third full generation of you know, drug addicts. A lot
of people cannot pull themselveside of it somehow, thank god. But you're basically,
you know, his the stereotype of what you hear, you know,
on the internet, the memes that you see and stuff. Unfortunately, you
know, that's what areas turned into. And I'm not sitting here, you
know, saying that it's all of them, because over across the state line,
we're seeing it more every day every day. You know. But the
more of the cost goes up of things, more of the crime goes up,
you know, the more options of easier living took away from people,
you've got you know, more crime, more drugs, more drug dealing.
And unfortunately, that's just what's happening in a lot of rule of mirth that
it's just hit them a little bit harder, you know, from decades of
sale policies. And then on top of that, it just gets to the
point to where there's you know, we're living in modern times where things cost
so much, and then you've got a lot of uselessness. You know,
it's been fully so much you know, over the years, you pick you
know, the you know, the the chickens have came home to roost and
basically, you know, chickens who everybody knows what they do when they're on
the roos style night. And now we went from you know, the chickens
on the roost, we got a bunch of guineas round around making noise and
you know, ship ma and that's just unfortunate, you know, facts the
situation. There's a lot more to it, and I'm trying to de click
because our show doesn't want to show going on for another you know, Macquary
can Me is in the area, but it has basically it's in the region,
but it doesn't have any great correlation over my part of that I could
really see. I would actually think there was a few other twenties that would
be lower, you know, down the pole, and you know what they
would accept. Now I understand, I'm just saying what I was shown,
and there was a video about it, and it seemed to directly represent that
that's where it was, and uh it uh, you know, the stuff
shown in the video, it makes it rather believable. You know, some
of the conditions that they showed people living in and some of the things you
just talked about, or exactly what created the circumstance that you know, the
guy says, hey, is there is there a lot of meth around?
You know, a guy from outside the area, and the guy goes,
yeah, which direction you want to go in? Uh, you know it's
everywhere, and it's not just the meth, but of course the opioids plus
meth have like just devastated these areas that the oppil to get it started and
the mess is looking ash up. I mean nowadays, to kind of put
it respect to what I understand, folks, excuse me. If you are
a peel head, you're basically in the same class and being a co head
back in the ages, you know what I mean. You middle class up
to you know, if you're popping the pain pails you know from a doctor,
if you're getting them good pain pails. If you ain't getting them them
old damn dollars still brand gateway to the track, Pie North code or whatever
the hell they walk out, you know, you're uptown. You know,
if you're getting you know, some some good zan xes, you're whatever.
Say. You know, you may even be a conservative, you know,
so you get your upright, you know, and you've got a lot of
check growing too, you know on the region. You know, everybody you
know they've got a back problem with her out right in Willard, you know,
four days a week, as if they've not settled the full mouth.
Now you know, to buy some play us, buy this one to this
ti set in there. Not all true according to what was again being shown
to me in this video and explained in the different things they were showing us.
All of what you're saying is what this video was showing. But you
know, the heroin came into not just the meth, but the meth seemed
to be the death knell to the area where you know, uh, sure
you can live in this uh filth box over here for you know, three
hundred bucks a month, but you know, take a look at the conditions
you're in. Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on this I
catch you out. But where the hell could you rent anything for three hundred
a month? Last? And this character, Yeah, I mean I was
just on the podcast this Lake in describing some of these taples screaming history for
eight market to rent your damn cat, damn bubble you slang a cat twam
the walls for eight hundred, twelve hundred a month. You might be able
to get some ship for five or six, but there's no you know that
video, must you I have some age on it. I mean, if
you could rent something for three hundred a month and they was plenty a mass,
they was something stale. I mean, hell, I need to put
signs in bill bullets up because they'd all leave them in the Try State are
and head up to mccrag can. Well they maybe they should. It was
a fairly new video. But I'm telling you the places you're looking at,
like the one girl got free rent for a little while because their ceiling fell
in on her, you know, And you're talking about these little boxes that
people are just breaking into and trashing left and right, and that's what you
get for that three hundred four hundred a month. Yeah, really bad places
that really would be condemned in almost any other part of the country, uh
normally or just being kind of ignored because they're just abandoned areas. And then
you've got people squatting and you know, broken down buildings and stuff. A
lot of that. They were showing that in McCreary. I'm just saying what
they showed sim I believed, Oh yeah, well we got we got people
intense in making too. I mean, you know, it's it's everywhere at
this point. Yeah. So anyways, Harlan, you know what. I
appreciate all your points, and you're right, but no, these unlivable boxes.
Believe me, you wouldn't want even a human being in these. You
wouldn't leave a dog that bit you in one of these joints. I'm telling
you. It's it's rough, man, really really rough. But anyway,
everybody, if I get around it, absolutely I appreciate you, and we
won't have a debate. Next week. It'll be a lot more open lines,
so you'll get to you'll get more time, and uh, we'll be
a lot freer about what it is we're discussing. But this week I wanted
to get to everybody as much as we could and get to this little dispute.
I'll call it a dispute since it wasn't a controversy. But we are
going to get to closing out the show here pretty soon. I gotta go
around to Vance and then be Pete. So I let Harlan run a little
long because I thought it was interesting what he had to say, and of
course, since he's got a firsthand viewpoint on a couple of things, a
first person view on a couple of things. I thought it was worthy of
letting him run a little, so sorry about that. I extended the time
here. But vance in closing, I know we didn't really you know,
solve any of the back and forth between the two too much, but each
of you got to say some things clearly and uninterrupted, so hopefully that helped
in some way. But your final thoughts were that, yeah, I appreciate
that, and you know, there's you know, no animosity between us or
anything. I don't think, and you know, I get a little offended
when you know, some he says I'm intellectually uh dishonest and brain washed,
and you know it can you know, cause me to have a little consternation.
But the I was gonna say that an anarchist is just a libertarian after
two more election cycles, you know, so you know, you'll get there
eventually. And I enjoy these kind of conversations. There's not much in the
conversations I have with people at the bar. And my good friend, you
know, Joe Jack is you know, get very close to you know,
Jimmy's ideology and stuff, and I've been working on him for like fifteen years
or whatever, you know, so you know, but I think it's important
for us to have these discussions and and you know, come to the conclusions.
And I don't for a minute think that I'm you know, the U
expert on anything. I just you know, try to to to challenge the
principles of things, and you know, look at it from that perspective,
and you know, us, I know, is we're not going in the
right direction. And you know, the people that are leading us, you
know, apparently this is where they're leading us. So it was a great
conversation and I enjoyed it, and we will talk again, you know,
Friday again or whenever there you go. Hopefully. Actually I'll get advance on
to discuss some other things soon. Uh look, I want to remind everybody
that it is extremely helpful, and of course it is that wondrous time of
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So any help, if you click the donate buttonetto Chelli dot com would
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I know I owe people that need to be resent still haven't put a car
back on the road, so I haven't gotten to the post office yet.
But if I had any new packages that I needed to send out, I
would certainly get there. And I appreciate the patience of Actually two of the
callers tonight who are owed packages, Vans and Jimmy James. I got stuff
returned to me, ripped, open, address gone for some reason. I'm
not gonna say why. But also I've had a few things opened on the
way. I don't know what's going on with our postal services, damned disaster,
but anyways, I will securely wrap things once again and send them out
to people as best they can. Hopefully you guys get what it means.
I said. Anyways, b Pete, I turned to you for the final
word, but it sounds like your phone is vibrating pretty loudly, so go
ahead, man to me. Oh yeah, sorry, I'm putting everybody to
sleep talking too long, right, I'm sorry. I made a pitch for
you know, donations and oh no, I just had a call come over
my phone while you were right when you ended time, so I was I
was declining that. But uh, you know, I'm a I'm a lot
like Vance. You know, someone were a question by integrity when it came
to debate, I'd get a little constipation too. But it could be an
age thing because I think we're close in age, so I think that's all
it is. But other than that, you know, I'd like to thank
Carlin and Vance and Jimmy Jane for coming and having a great discussion, a
rational discussion, and I think everybody walked away from it ordering a little bit
about the other person. One day we can get into that debate of is
Nazi is or you know, the is the extreme right nothing more than going
all the way around to the extream left and our difference between communism and fascism
and all that. I'd be a great discussion. But I think we learned
a little bit tonight and looking forward to doing it again next week. Absolutely.
Look, I feel as though we might have learned something and if you
didn't, I'm sorry, but did our best to do so. So yeah,
once again, I would like to thank everybody, my co host BPTE,
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on here, Harlan for chiming in. My apologies once again to nature Boy,
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