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And then you imagine that feeling where
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got that contact off the ball,
the noise of the ball flying through the

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air, and in that moment you
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So what we do then is we
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thumb. As an example, so
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thumb together during hypnotherapy. Once we've
done that a few times on the golf

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course, you can press your thumb
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creating that presence for you. So
before the shot, your routine is you

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can press your index finger and thumb
together, cultivate that feeling of presence we've

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anchored drawn a hypnotherapy session and you
can physically change your state there on the

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golf course. Hi, this is
still why Rick from Jacksonville, Florida and

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I play at the Castle Inda golf
Course on the Naval Air Station Jacksonville.

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This is Golf Smarter number nine hundred
and twenty three. Peak performance is no

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sustainable, but high performance is.
With Leohausen, this is Golf Smarter,

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sharing stories, tips and insights from
great Golf minds to help you lower your

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score and raise your golf IQ.
Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome

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to the Golf Smurterer Podcast. Leo, Hi, Fred, how you doing.

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I'm doing well, and it's great
to talk to you today. I'm

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really fascinated because I love talking about
the mental game of golf. Yep,

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me too. There's a so many
interesting areas that have have been really interesting

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for me to dive into over the
years. So it's some Yeah, there's

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so many little tweaks and fascinating and
areas that I think make a huge difference.

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To be honest, Well, let's
see if we can flesh that out

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and make a huge difference in golfers'
lives. You know, ninety golf is

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ninety percent mental and ten percent mental. But you know, it's if you

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have your mechanics. Even if you're
not perfectly there with your mechanics, you

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can still play pretty good golf if
you have your head under control, right,

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Yeah, you definitely can. And
that and that was my aim with

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a lot of what I've a lot
of where I've come and a lot of

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the research I've done is well,
one, how can I take my swing

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out from the range onto the course
because I must be capable of having a

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if I go around and I you
know, I played top tracer in the

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UK and all I get a low
score and I go out and I'm like,

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where's that gone? So it's then
working out what am I doing and

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how can I prevent that happening?
And then, especially as a relatively newcomer,

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to go if I've sort of dropped
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football and rugby, and then I've
been like really really deep into golf probably

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the last eighteen months to two years. So I was, you know,

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like thirty four handicapper, I'm dropping
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ankle so while was getting down to
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the sixteen. So most of that
drop has just been mental game and why

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was I doing the things I was
doing on the course. And as as

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a hypnotherapist and mindset coach, surely
I can work out myself what I need

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to do to some myself doing these
things. You're worst, the worst possible

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patient you can have is yourself,
right, Yeah, And it's sometimes it's

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almost knowing too much that you overthink
it and you're just creating more problems for

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yourself. So it's been really interesting, like self diagnosing and then using that

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for the people I work with as
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is what worked for me, this
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helped. Let's see if it works
for you and does it I mean does

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it? Can you transfer it from
person person So there's always the bespoke area

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of each person. So hypnotherapy is
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But it's then working out what works
for you personally to be hypnotized in a

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certain way and almost align with the
golf swing. If I get told to

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feel wider on my takeaway, what
does that actually translate to me and my

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body and how does that feel.
It's the same with the coaching of working

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out the language and the way I
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with hypnotherapy to then find the fit
of what works and the language that works

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for you because it's such a feelings
game. In my opinion, I'm not

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familiar with hypnotherapy. Walk me through
this. Yeah, that's a good place

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to start. So good. Yeah, So I've been a hypnotherapist so for

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four years longer than I have been
doing it specifically for golf and performance,

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so I specialize now as a performance
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with athletes, golfers, combat sports. Hypnotherapy specifically is actually working with the

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subconscious part of your mind. So
it's anticipated that consciously that's only around five

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percent of our mind, and the
subconscious is around ninety five percent of our

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mind. So hypnotherapy specifically concentrates on
the subconscious, which will be your habits.

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And you know that when you do
something and you think why did I

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do that? I didn't want to
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So it's working specifically by putting you into

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a trance state and it allows me
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at just a much much deeper level
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I love it for golf, because
you know, it's like, well,

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you need to get into flow state
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is which is great, But how
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know, it's not just as simple
of right, Yeah, I know I

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want to get into flow state,
but consciously, how do I do that?

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play the best golf. Yeah,

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we know that, but how do
you become more president? It's all these

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all these best practices of you must
do this, you must do this and

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that, And I've almost come up
with probably like six or seven key areas

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that I think are fundamental to work
on, and we do those consciously and

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subconsciously, because then we're reinforcing the
habits you're building. And then ideally you

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get to point we don't have to
think about being present. You are just

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present in the moment for a golf
shot, which is a completely different way

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of looking at it. Of rather
than saying, right, getting out of

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the buggy, I'm putting my tea
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okay, But just saying it and
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Wow, so many conversations about how
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the driving range right? Golfers battle
with doubt and can hypnotherapy work against doubt?

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Can it conquer it? Yep?
Anxiety, yips? Stress? And

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actually, what I've actually worked out
by doing this as well is you could

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actually just concentrate on becoming more of
a high performer or more performance based just

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in your life in general, and
that directly and transfers to golf, and

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the link is huge because you think
you've had that great day, you feel

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good, you feel calm, you've
turned up to the golf course an hour

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before, you've had a good session
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That's probably when you play your best
golf when you turn up and you've

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got ten minutes your tea time and
you're driving, and you're hopping out getting

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you grabbing your bag, running up
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fifty to fifty. What are you
going to hit off your first t shot

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for that day? Is that terriff
slice? Is it straight? What's going

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to happen? Yeah, you have
no idea what your swing's going to be

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that time. Yeah, I mean
it's it's I don't like coming to the

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golf course lane. I like to
get there, you know, at least

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an hour ahead of time, do
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bit of putting, then go to
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that when I get there even thirty
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and I can't calm down to get
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tea and my hand will be shaking
trying to put the ball under the tee.

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Stab it. Yeah, and you've
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your subconscious comes in because you'll be
thinking, I'm fine, I've had half

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an hour, but subconsciously you wanted
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And I've got many of friends I'll
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me out turning up fifteen minutes before
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hurry up, we need to go
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it too, when someone's showing up
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name my friend, but I've had
to start the first hole. Do it,

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do it. He's not lessening,
he might do or might give him

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a nut, but I was.
He was so late. I was I

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had to get start the first hole
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time he teed off. Luckily,
the group of heads said yeah, go

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on, catch up, and he
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well, but yeah, we're just
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So there's there's there what i'd call
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sense maybe, and and he's like
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there and like yeah, yeah,
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to hand up every shot and like
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luckily we play quick golf. And
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because I used to get really frustrated
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would destroy my round. So that's
something with like the key areas we can

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run over in a second of you
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I think works and what I would
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golf as a as an amateur golfer. So yeah, this little things.

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second to then prepare for that next
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see so many people getting stressed,
like you're supposed to be just enjoying it

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out there and the scores, the
score, But you're out in the fresh

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air, you get an excise,
you're walking, you're with socially connecting with

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people. Just think about that,
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that I'm fascinated to continue. We're
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be back right after this. It's
interesting how you talk about your frustration playing

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slow and playing with people who are
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not being fast, not being slow, but not being fast. And I'm

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very deliberate in everything that i do
because my preshot routine, you know,

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lighting up my putts, all these
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people that make me rush, what
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uncomfortable and my everything just completely falls
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Either way, if you can't play
within your rhythm, how do you

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change your rhythm effectively without messing your
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your rhythm, but being comfortable with
not changing your rhythm because you know how

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you play best. But it's just
being completely comfortable present in that moment of

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This is how I play golf.
Wh it's quicker or slower, so you

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can still have your So for me, it's the waiting around. Then I'm

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like, yeah, I need to
take my shot. When I to take

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my shot because I like to.
So then it's okay, Well, I

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have triggers to keep me present and
in the moment to remove that middle ground.

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trying to speed you up, they

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might be rushing to the shot and
making you feel rush. But then it's

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okay, I'm now bringing myself to
the present and this is how I take

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my shot. So it's the trigger
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and just not worrying. So that's
the key. I just love to worry

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about as there is exactly. So
if you're worried about, oh I need,

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I need to hit quicker, but
that's not how you play, then

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you're gonna be thinking I'm gonna hit
a bad shot here, and I bet

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you hit a bad shot. Yeah, So I mean that's where presence comes

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in. So that's that's one of
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with people of how do you cultivate
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was going to ask you the same
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You're around so we get the this
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So and where there's such a big
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golf. So you've got mindfulness as
a really easy one like at a base.

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stop. So if you if you're
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you're going to be much more present
on the golf course because you've removed

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all of the did I do this, and I forget to do this?

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If I call this person, I've
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the swing, how's my takeaway,
how's my turn? And I turn my

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chest and just get rid of all
that. Start by medical, then I

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specifically work with people on what is
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as an example, is I would
ask you within hypnotherapy to go to

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a calm, happy place. So
funny enough for a lot of golfers that

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will be in a moment where they
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and then you imagine that feeling where
you've just hit a good shot. You've

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got that contact off the ball,
the noise of the ball flying through the

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air, and in that moment you
feel completely calm, composed and present.

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So what we do then is we
anchor that feeling to your index finger and

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thumb as an example, so I'd
get you to press your index finger and

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thumb together during hypnotherapy. So once
we've done that a few times on the

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golf course, you can press your
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creating that presence for you. So
before the shot, your routine is you

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could press your index finger and thumb
together, cultivate that feeling of presence with

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anger drawing a hypnotherapy session and you
can physically change your state there on the

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golf course to cultivate presence, which
is it's huge and it works for so

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many people I've worked with. So
we can literally change your state for you

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during around Wow. Is there a
way to do that without going through hypnotherapy?

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which is neurolinguistic program programming that I
use within hypnotherapy as well, so you

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can consciously an anchor. So I
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the reinforcement. So next time you
play golf and you hit that good shot,

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you just think, Okay, I'm
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together and you think, Okay,
this is my anchor. It's my anchor

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for this feeling right now, that
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presence, presence, and so you're
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feeling of presence. And whilst that
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as impactful and powerful as doing it
during hypnosis as well. So let's say

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you get a ten times effect by
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hundred times effect with doing it with
hypnotherapy and consciously. Those numbers of me

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just give an example of the potential
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presence is just one anchor we work
on. Can you explain to me the

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difference between flow state, because we're
hearing that term a lot lately. It

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seems to be a new term,
but we're hearing it a lot, and

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how how that differs from mindfulness.
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meditation, So whether that's so,
I I'll get onto Hackler, which is

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something you'll find interesting with regards to
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of Hawaiian meditation. So so meditation
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of being present, so making sure
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state is an optimal state of consciousness. So meditation would be Okay, we're

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going to stop now, we're going
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down, and we're going to work
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But you couldn't meditate and play golf
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flow state is a state that you
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your optimal state of consciousness, which
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think sometimes the word flow states thrown
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there. I will you need to
get into flow to play your best golf,

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Well, you couldn't be in a
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half to four hour round unless you
playing longer, so you couldn't You couldn't

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be in a flow state for four
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is state presence and deliberate visualization,
but they're separate from flow state. Flow

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state would be the accumulation of being
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and skill balanced perfectly. That would
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to be too sciencey, but flow
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which is actually the quieting down of
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So is actually your mind, your
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you to become at your optimal state
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lot of people think it's the opposite, where you've almost got access to more

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brain power. But it's the opposite. Okay, we're going to take another

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time out right now, and when
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entire time. And when we come
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microphone and I won't be back right
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hope you can actually hear an honest
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to the audience, said like,
why does he sound so weird? I

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couldn't hear the difference. I can't
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there's a difference on your end or
not. I hope there is, all

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spend. All right, let's get
let's get back to this. Let's talk

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about the importance of the mindset in
high performance. I mean, we're trying

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to play our best golf we possibly
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mindset's huge. There's no way around
it. And again, like I've said

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a few times, it always feeds
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on the course and during a shot, but I think your mindset comes into

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it through from when you wake up
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the golf course. It's actually having
that mindset that's instilled in you so you

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make good decisions and have the tools
to make good shots and avoid Ultimately,

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it's making our bad shots less bad. In my opinion as an amateur is

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the key. It's not oh,
I've hit a good shot. It's when

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I've hit a bad shot. Minimizing
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of the biggest impacts to lower and
your score of well. Rather than slicing

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it out into the trees and into
the water, I've just hit it into

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the right rough and it's findable.
I've hit it into the left rough and

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it's findable. Not to say you
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having that overall encompassing mindset. And
there's so many elements of mindset. I

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mean, I've I try and pick
out like, I've got six areas that

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I like to work on that leads
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let's talk about those six areas.
So the first thing I always check is

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the mindset around nutrition and hydration.
Now you might not think why as a

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hypnotherapist and performance coach are you asking
about that, because it's so simple to

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change. But if you're going around
the course and an hour in you're drinking

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a fizzy drink and you've had a
chocolate bar and your blood sugar spike and

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crashes, that's one hundred percent going
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So always check that. So water
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just taking a sip of water before
taking your next T shot. Now we

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could make that an anchor as well
to keep you into presents. There's little

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things we can link to link you
having a little sip of water to make

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a you present ready for your T
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number one for me because it's such
an easy win. Wow, Yeah,

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it's something that we've talked about for
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And a thing that I learned early
on in the podcast that I've always

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brought with me to the golf course
is called sip and nibble, which is

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little water, you know, after
every shot, just a sip you don't

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have to gulp, right, and
and just grazing with you know, like

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peanut butter, pretzels, peanuts,
you know, maybe a cliff bar or

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something like that, but just little
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round makes a huge difference. And
I found ever since I've started doing that,

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I've never said to anybody, oh
boy, the wheels are really falling

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off here at the end of the
round. Oh I'm getting tired. It

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just doesn't happen when you stay when
you stay hydrated, definitely, just grace.

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You can't implement all the other mindfulness
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you can't do any of that unless
your body's got what it needs in

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the first place. It's like huge, getting you back from minus one.

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Just that's just getting you back to
zero. That's allowing us to do the

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work right. Yeah, that's always, always number one, and yeah,

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cliff Bars, I like a Cliff
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all right, area number two.
So two I would classify as as

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state, so being able to acknowledge
and change your state. So let's say

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you're stepping up to the first T. You're in your sympathetic nervous system,

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so you're feeling people are watching me, how's my shot going to be?

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What am I going to do?
Am I going to hit it left?

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Am I going to hit it right? Well, we don't want any of

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that. We want you to get
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would be under state change. So
within that we would have the anchors we've

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already discussed, and I'd always put
in breath work in there as well,

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so just you know, you could
do box breathing of four seconds out,

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hold four seconds, four seconds in
hold four seconds just to calm your nervous

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system down, just to get you
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you to acknowledge your state isn't where
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give you the best chance of hitting
that shot. And you could do that

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on every T mid round. You
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you know, or good example of
that is you've just walked up Especially

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in the UK, we've got some
very hilly, downhill uphill courses. If

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you've got trolley in the winter because
there's no buggies allowed, you've just pushed,

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pushed up a big hill and you
can feel you're out of breath.

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It would probably be a good idea
just to pause for a second to catch

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a breath. Yep. Yeah,
we have those kind of hills here in

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northern California as well flat golf courses. Yeah. So yeah, just acknowledging

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I have just walked up hill and
it's okay that I'm out of breath.

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That's just pause a second, right, right to move on under the third

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area of mindset. So third we've
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present, so present, so with
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cultivating presence for you might be I've
been I've had a bit of anxiety and

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I've been playing golf recently, so
we need to do something on anxiety or

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it might be specifically off the tea, I get the yips and I've got

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no idea why we could work on
that within hypnotherapy, so we would find

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out what it is it's causing you
not to be present and then work on

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that to allow you to be present. And yeah, and then the anchor

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again is a huge part of that. So we could say, okay,

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well, you're feeling stressed, I've
acknowledged that, I can start doing my

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breath work, I can put my
anchor, and then within hypnotherapy we've worked

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on you being present. So we're
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place of not worrying, not overthinking, because it doesn't matter. At the

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point you're having your T shirt,
your practices have been done on the range,

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so just hit the ball right right. Are you familiar with the clear

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key system? Uh? No,
I don't forget. I'm actually I might

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be Okay, then we'll go on
and talk about other things. But there's

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a lot of that anchoring, just
saying something that's going to anchor you and

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keep you away from being distracted.
All right. Four your fourth one.

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So four is to visualize because you're
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And it's as simple as that,
just stepping up, Okay, I'm picking

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that tree, I'm going to hit
the ball. With a cut at that

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tree, it's going to bounce around
here and it's going to go with a

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chip. I want to land it
here, and I can see the ball

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landing here and it's going to skid
on. It's because you're just giving your

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brain so it's concentrate on again cultivating
presence. I love when I'm watching professional

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golf on TV and you see a
guy stepping up to the tee and just

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before he walks up to the ball, he'll close his eyes and you could

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just see like he's visualizing his swing, is visualizing his his setup, his

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swing, the ballflight. You could
just get the sense of where he's going

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with that, she's going with that? Yeah. I like with potting as

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well, when you can only see
drawing the lines back and forth, drawing

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the line of well, that was
gonna that's a good one. It's amazing

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how many times, like if I've
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I saw that before I even took
the stroke, I saw exactly where it

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was supposed to go, and it's
so hard to recreate that. It's like,

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I know I can do what I've
done it, how do I recreate

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that? The question is practice swing
or no practice swing when you put And

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the answer is I don't know.
I personally I don't. I've started not

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to have a practice swing because I've
read a lot of reports of that you're

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less intentional, that you're almost your
body just needs to get up and swing

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because you know what you're doing that
first swing, and I'm very rarely three

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parts. That's one of the stronger
part of my gainment. So I'm sticking

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to no practice swing at the moment. I in my effort to try to

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pick up my pace, I don't
take practice swings anymore either, And as

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long as I try to focus on
getting a hitting in the center of the

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face of the putter, I do
much better and keeping my rhythm the same.

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It's just the one to one rhythm
of the back swing to swing on

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the putter, but just making sure
that I do that at the same pace

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each time, just different distance depending
on how far the part's going to be.

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But yeah, I don't. I
don't take a practice swing very often

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either. And if I do take
a practice swing, I'm usually looking at

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the hole. Yeah, yeah,
visualizing almost telling your body and brain where

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am I going to put this ball? Where does it need to go Yeah,

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yeah, looking at the targets.
Interesting. I do the same with

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irons sometimes as well. Sometimes I
will sometimes I'll take a practicing in my

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iron and it will be like for
me, like feel like the perfect swing,

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and it almost feels like I've wasted
a swing. So sometimes sometimes I'll

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say, I'll just get the feeling
like the rocking take away in the turn

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and then just just hit the ball. And sometimes if depends on how well

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I'm playing, that works really well
for me as well. Interesting. Right,

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let's take one more time out find
out what's going on in the archives

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of Golf Smarter, and then we'll
pick up number five and six on your

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six areas of mindset with Leohausen.
We'll be right back. This week on

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Golf Smarterulligans is part two of our
conversation with doctor Joe Parent as we celebrate

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ten years of his incredibly popular book
Zen Golf, Mastering the Mental Game,

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as we talk about hypnotherapy with Leo
on this episode of Golf Smarter, Our

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Mulligan's episode this week is the perfect
compliment, as this time we focus on

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how to utilize zen golf in your
short game and how to control your anger

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on the golf course. Well,
you know, I had an interesting experience

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about an angry golfer. We got
him calm down and he actually played better,

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and he said, you know what, I miss being angry. Some

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people use anger on the golf course
as their way of venting because they can't

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get mad at their boss, and
they can't get mad and take it out

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on their wives, and they can't
take it out on their kids and their

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dogs. And the only place that
they feel like it's okay to get mad

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is the golf course problem because it
isn't fun for other people. But there

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are some people who that's their place
to get mad. And you try to

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say, I'm sorry, you're not
having a good time, and they sort

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of say they're not having a good
time, but underneath they are having a

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good time in that they're getting their
anger out and they're cursing and moaning and

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angry, it seems like all through
the round, and they finish and they

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go, I hate this game.
What time do we play tomorrow? Originally

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published in twenty twelve as a member's
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author of Zen Golf, Zen Putting
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if Golf Smarter is one of your
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listening right now. All right, Leo,

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let's pick it up at number five. Here we've the first four areas

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of mindset that you have. One
nutrition, hydration, two your state breathing,

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three presents using anchors mindfulness, four
visualize. I love that one.

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What's number five? Say five?
Not to be negative, but it's bad

417
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shots. They happen, They happen, Just let them go. It's learning

418
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:57,639
to so okay, I bat shot, have that ten seconds of I came

419
00:35:57,639 --> 00:35:59,360
out of at the top. I
needs if the next shot, I needs

420
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,239
to concentrate on feeling like I'm hitting
a draw swing and not a fade,

421
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,079
that's fine, but then just let
it go. Don't let it determine your

422
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round. Just that one bad shot, so just just learning, just just

423
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let it go, just say yourself
is gone, right. And I don't

424
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:19,840
know if you're old enough to remember
the toy, the etch a sketch,

425
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:24,800
but doctor Joe Parent says, pull
out down a bad shot, Just pull

426
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:30,199
out the edge of sketch, shake
it off, move on. I've always

427
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:34,719
loved that that visually, that visual
of doing that, and it's helped me

428
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,480
too. The other thing that I
find, and I hope this isn't number

429
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six and I'm getting ahead of myself, is the way you talk to yourself

430
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:46,480
on a bad shot. I mean
you yell at yourself, you use your

431
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:50,960
name right, Ah, Fred?
What are you doing? You know those

432
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:55,000
kind of things. It's like,
you know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't

433
00:36:55,039 --> 00:37:00,800
talk to other people that way,
let alone friends or family. Why am

434
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,119
I talking to myself like that?
Is that become an issue as well?

435
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,639
I mean when people just start yelling
at themselves, that that becomes on the

436
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:14,360
issue that I would work on within
hypnotherapy, because what you're actually doing is

437
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:22,119
talking to your subconscious. So you're
affecting and you're subconscious by saying you're rubbish

438
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:28,079
what you're doing, So you're subconscious
then looks out for signs to agree with

439
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,840
you, so it will look for
something to say, yeah, you are

440
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,239
rubbish, Yeah you are bad,
Yeah you're you're not very good, So

441
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:43,079
that you're actively programming your subconscious by
using that sort of language with yourself,

442
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,920
where you could just say I've hit
a bad shot. I saw Tommy Fleet

443
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,159
would hit a bad shot when I
was watching on TV last week. He's

444
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:55,159
a professional. I'm going to hit
a bad shot. It's God's hard.

445
00:37:55,199 --> 00:38:00,639
It happens, you know, And
sometimes you have a good swing. You

446
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:06,159
like what happens and the result is
bad. Let it go. What are

447
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:09,519
you doing song? As you hit
a bad, bad shot and it ends

448
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:14,920
up with the green? Yeah right, oh man, I hated that swing.

449
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,119
That was a bad swing with a
great result. So yes, the

450
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:24,039
self talk is is massive to to
all of it, but often that's something

451
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,960
root course subconsciously that we have to
We have to say, well, why

452
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,079
are you doing that? Why are
you saying that? Why why aren't you

453
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:37,480
respecting yourself and the way you should
respect yourself. You're playing amount of golf.

454
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:42,960
Hmmm. So yeah, the bad
shot, the self talk within the

455
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,440
bad shot. But ye, just
we're all gonnahit a bad shot. Yeah,

456
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:52,079
put it into perspective. Yeah,
exactly. It's it's not how many

457
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,760
great shots you had on any given
day, it's how many bad shots you

458
00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:00,599
limited yourself to. Right, that's
the difference between a good golf in a

459
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:07,840
average, mediocre, poor golfer.
Yeah, what's number six? Six sounds

460
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,880
funny, but it's just practice.
So when I first started, I started

461
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,000
off on the range and playing nine
holes, and I wondered why when I

462
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:21,760
went and played eighteen, I wasn't
sustaining eighteen and I couldn't get score eighteen.

463
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,000
And I've know lots of people that
play a nine hole and nine hole

464
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,840
and nine hell, they're going to
play eighteen once a month with their friends,

465
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:35,280
and they won't perform on the eighteen
eighteen holes because they're not practicing eighteen

466
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,840
holes. They're not geared up for
the eighteen holes. So someone's like,

467
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,039
you need to play twenty holes.
Go and play twenty holes, Go and

468
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:44,880
play twenty two holes, go right, you know, and go eighteen and

469
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,360
then go do some practice and on
the range, after you've hit the eighteen,

470
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:57,719
So prepare your body your energy levels
to play eighteen holes, because it

471
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,400
sounds really simple. But the amount
of people I know can't perform around eighteen

472
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,480
that can't sustain eighteen holes just because
they never play eighteen or they didn't play

473
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,639
eighteen holes enough. Oh, it's
because they're not hydrating and eating. Yeah,

474
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:15,920
yeah, how do you How do
you suggest we practice eighteen holes?

475
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,960
I mean you actually go out on
the chorus and play eighteen or so you

476
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:23,440
just use that as practice. I
never consider when I'm out on the golf

477
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,079
course that this is a practice round. It's always because I don't play competitively,

478
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:31,800
So every round I'm competing against myself, all right, and and my

479
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:37,159
how I do knowing that there's going
to be a range of scores at the

480
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end of the day. But it's
always to me it's I'm playing, not

481
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,800
practicing. Practicing is hitting into the
net going to the driving range, and

482
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:54,679
I think that's good practice. But
sometimes so we play scramble a lot where

483
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,119
with four of us playing, we
take the best the best ball. So

484
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:01,480
we may play that one every couple
of weeks where there's four of us that

485
00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:07,039
go out and if you say you're
the last person driving, someone's already got

486
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:10,079
a good ball in the fair way. You've got a free card to hit

487
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:15,880
whatever shot you choose, the amount
that's improved my golf by hitting shots I

488
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,320
didn't think I was capable of in
a practice situation on the course. Then

489
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:23,000
I've hit that and said, oh, actually I am capable. I've hitting

490
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,119
that shot, shape hitting that,
and I can do that. And then

491
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:30,360
I take that out when I play
an eighteen, I'm scoring because I've done

492
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:39,280
it in a stress free situation out
on the course. Yes, so this

493
00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:45,920
the sustainable high performance. This is
something that we talk about trying to get

494
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,280
to, whether it's flow, a
state, mindfulness, all these other things.

495
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,280
Is it do you from where you're
sitting your perspective. Is this happening

496
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,880
more often or is it kind of
falling falling away? Are we seeing more

497
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:10,440
and more people who are achieving and
sustaining their high performance. I think it's

498
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:20,360
a mixed bag because flow state isn't
high performance. Flow state is peak performance

499
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,760
and is not sustainable. So if
you were always looking to get into flow

500
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,400
state, you're going to be disappointed
because you will not always be in flow

501
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,880
state. So then the level under
that is, could can you continuously be

502
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,679
in a high performance a high performance
state? Well, yes you can,

503
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:46,119
and that goes back into nutrition and
hydration, sleeping properly, that goes back

504
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:52,800
into mindfulness, meditation, it goes
into all the little things that just do

505
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:58,159
the basics all of the time correctly, you're going to outperform ninety percent of

506
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:07,320
people. Okay, how so with
eating properly, the drinker probably sleeping seven

507
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,719
to eight hours, just those three
things. Huge gratitude in the morning is

508
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,840
another huge one. Change your thoughts. Just sit down in the morning and

509
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,880
write three to five positive things.
Change where we're talking about that self talk.

510
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:24,559
You're changing that self talk because you're
saying, these are the positive things

511
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:29,880
I noticed yesterday, and let's do
it in the morning. So you start

512
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:37,280
noticing the positive things of the day. So those things make dramatic changes,

513
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:42,639
and I would classify those as the
basic things we should be doing. Flow

514
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:49,880
state is amazing, but it's a
higher level hack that we can work towards

515
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,960
flow state all the time. And
yes, once you're in flow state,

516
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:57,280
you can have the round of your
life, but you're going to drop in,

517
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,440
You're going to drop out are you
then going to get this pointed that

518
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,159
you're currently not in flow state drawing
around and are you going to blow your

519
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:09,119
round up huge? So it's acknowledge, and yes, flow state's amazing.

520
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:15,360
But all these little high performance things
of hydration, sleep, gratitude, our

521
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:21,840
cold shower is a huge one for
me in terms of rebalancing the dopamine.

522
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:27,760
So, and TV goes off at
TV goes off at night at a certain

523
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,920
time, and I read blue light
at night to make sure your circadian rhythms

524
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:37,599
balance properly, and you're getting sunlight
in your eyes. Just all those basic

525
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:44,159
human needs that we fall out of
habit of because of technology, because of

526
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:50,519
our phones, because of Netflix,
the ease of all these things we create

527
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:55,000
such an out of balance human that
let's take for golf, you're completely out

528
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:59,480
of balance. You've been up late
night, you've been up late watching TV.

529
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:02,239
You go on the golf course and
you're thinking, but I've been hitting

530
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,719
it really well on the range,
but the rest of your life says otherwise.

531
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:13,880
So you're you're implying that there's a
cultural or a societal shift going on

532
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:22,519
here that's impacting our flow state,
our mindfulness. Yes, yeah, there's

533
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:29,239
more and more people now acknowledging that
there has been a real problem with all

534
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:37,000
of these areas, and people are
vying for our attention. Our attention should

535
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:43,760
be the most guarded thing we have. Our attention should be we only give

536
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,000
our attention to the things that matter, to the things that move us forwards.

537
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,679
But currently a lot of us give
our attention away very cheaply, and

538
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,760
it really affects our day to day
and it affects our family, it affects

539
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,519
our work, it affects our sleep, it affects ours eating, and it

540
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:07,480
affects our golf. So wow,
the link between the two is is undeniable,

541
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:15,079
really fascinating. Now, are you
able to work with people remotely,

542
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:19,320
especially with the hypnotherapy, or do
you have to be in person with him?

543
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,199
No? I work with people in
person and remotely. So I've actually

544
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:29,639
yeah, and I put I've put
a dedicated specific golf program together running over

545
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:35,280
what we've just discussed. And I'm
just about to finish up doing my TPI

546
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:42,440
qualifications for screening and fitness and strength
as well, so I'm probably going to

547
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,079
double down on the golfer side of
it quite quickly. Wow, very cool,

548
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:52,679
How do people follow you, get
in touch with you, read more

549
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:58,239
about you. Yeah. So my
website's great place start, which is Leohausen

550
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:06,440
dot com. My Instagram's the same
Leo Housen and that's howso n that's correct.

551
00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:12,719
Yeah, yeah, so the website
and Instagram on Instagram in the morning

552
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,119
is usually because I banned myself from
it in the in the evenings in line

553
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:22,159
with my recommended device. Good idea, but yeah, I work work on

554
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:29,519
Zoom work in person. Yeah.
You can do hypnotherapy remotely, yeah,

555
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,360
yeah, it works really well.
So there's a couple of requirements in terms

556
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,960
of making sure someone sat in a
comfortable place so they're head supported because you

557
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:45,079
do sort of fall back onto your
chair. And I always like good quality

558
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:50,440
headphones for remote because that just really
then brings you into that present moment as

559
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,320
we discussed and absorbed in the moment. Wow, fascinating, Leo. This

560
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,159
has really been fascinating. I wish
you all the luck in the world and

561
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:04,159
news success and I've learned a lot
today. Thank you so much for coming

562
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:06,920
on the show. Yeah, thanks, Rev, it's being pretty good.

563
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:14,199
I loved hearing from our newest Golf
Smarter ambassador, Phil wirek of Jacksonville,

564
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,360
Florida. Not sure what it is
about playing near an airfield, but I

565
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:22,719
love watching the planes take off and
land during my round. It's never been

566
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:28,679
a negative distraction, but something that
can pull my attention away from my game

567
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,239
just for a few seconds, especially
if I'm frustrated. Now, whether it's

568
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:37,559
my favorite course, Rooster Run that
has a lot of private planes, ultra

569
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:43,719
lights and the occasional private jet with
the four pm Russia FedEx planes, I

570
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,480
guess it's consistent with me having my
head in the clouds. The other two

571
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:52,119
courses that I've played with airports are
Metropolitan next to the smaller section of the

572
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:57,719
Oakland International Airport. I once played
at Teeth of the Dog at Cosa de

573
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,119
Campo and Dominican Republican. Have you
ever played there? It's amazing to be

574
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,559
well it was at the time,
be on the eighteenth tea box and see

575
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:10,039
a plane coming right at you and
you have to drive the ball over the

576
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:15,639
runway. Since I played there,
the airport's been updated and all that remains

577
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,239
is a white picket fence that is
between you and the runway. But the

578
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,440
runway is so much larger now and
allows planes as big as seven to twenty

579
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:27,880
sevens to land there. But Phil
says he plays at Kasa Linda golf course

580
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,519
at the Naval Air Station Jacksonville.
I can only imagine the jets that he

581
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:38,320
gets to see are pretty spectacular.
What about you? Have you played next

582
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:43,280
to a runway before? Do you
like it? Or is it an unwanted

583
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,280
distraction? What features that run next
to a golf course do you prefer,

584
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,440
hopefully not just tracked homes? Anyway, right to me, let me know.

585
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:53,039
I'm curious to hear what you say. And Phil, if you're listening,

586
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:58,840
right back to me and tell me
what you see and feel about that

587
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:04,480
Naval air station when you're playing Kasselinda. Wow. Anyway, Phil chose to

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