1 00:00:15,359 --> 00:00:19,559 What is crack a lac if fellow thermal nuclear A efforts. I am Dan 2 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,039 Valley, coming at you as always with my certified fantabulous Thermo Nuclear af co 3 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:29,160 host, mister Grant Hughes esquire. We are coming at you with the third 4 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,399 installment of our positional rankings. Yes, positions, are they irrelevant? YadA, 5 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,880 YadA YadA. This was a fun exercise for US post trade deadline. 6 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,320 So we have our top ten small forwards. Go check out point guards and 7 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,520 shooting guards. Power forwards and centers are coming. This will be probably published 8 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,399 over the course of like two weeks. I say, I don't know how 9 00:00:45,399 --> 00:00:48,920 I'm gonna distribute it, but go check out point guards and shooting guards and 10 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,600 now you can check out small forwards and then power forwards and centers are going 11 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,600 to come. How exciting is that? Grant? How are you doing? 12 00:00:55,439 --> 00:00:59,600 I'm doing great. I am concerned about the chaos that may ensue as we 13 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,480 do small forward because that's a tricky position, but good content. Right if 14 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,959 we disagree or we have wonky lists, I think that's a positive. Just 15 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,920 a fair and warning. I'm updating the on screen for anyone's watching. It's 16 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,319 gonna take me longer than normally get the names out for small forwards, because 17 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,519 I have these looped into blocks of players in the two, three, and 18 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,359 four, and like that's where this list is going to be populated from. 19 00:01:19,439 --> 00:01:23,280 So I have way too many tabs open, and at this point, like 20 00:01:23,799 --> 00:01:26,599 you might have a point guard on here. That's my point. So it's 21 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:27,599 gonna take me a little while to find the names and paste it on, 22 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,799 but we will be talking about it. Who is your number one? I 23 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,760 honestly have no idea. I don't know this is gonna go. Who's your 24 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,480 number one small forward? So my number one small forward is Kawhi Leonard. 25 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:44,159 That's what I was talking about when I said he just any any reasonable mind 26 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:47,079 could say he's a four? What are you doing? But I'm leaving him 27 00:01:47,079 --> 00:01:49,879 a small forward. Basketball Reference has like sixty some odd percent of his minutes 28 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:55,920 there. I don't think he has problems guarding threes, So I would say 29 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,560 you can at least make the case that he's a three. I hesitate to 30 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:05,760 say he's in a tier by himself because the next certainly the next guy is 31 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,800 like an All NBA superstar as his number three, as his number four here, 32 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,719 But he's just been better at Kawhi has just been better than like really 33 00:02:14,719 --> 00:02:19,120 almost anybody for like a solid six weeks. Has just been so good on 34 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,879 both ends. Is defending a little bit more like he defended four or five 35 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,120 years ago. Is making every floater he takes all of a sudden, and 36 00:02:27,159 --> 00:02:32,280 it's just like so Rocks. His advanced metrics case is like is ironclad air 37 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:36,560 tight over anyone else that I'm going to talk about for this position. So 38 00:02:36,599 --> 00:02:40,840 that helps to I have him one, I'll just give you two three just 39 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,759 I don't know, just for some context, Jason Tatum is two. You 40 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:50,240 probably have him as a four or something like that, and then Paul George 41 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,639 is three. So again I have two players on the same team that start 42 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,000 together in Paul George and Kawhi that I have listed at the same position. 43 00:02:57,319 --> 00:03:00,800 But in your heart Dan isn't Paul George small forward, and isn't Kawhi and 44 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:06,039 isn't Jason Tatum here. So I don't mind the because you called Jalen, 45 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,400 you had Jalen Brown a, you had them as a two. Yeah, 46 00:03:08,439 --> 00:03:13,439 So like that's why I'm just when it comes to Kawhi and PG, like 47 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,439 how I just don't get the justification necessarily of like, if we're gonna do 48 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,759 this and break it down by position, how are they the same position? 49 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:28,879 Because if it's again we're talking subjective, like what other than the fact that 50 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,639 and maybe this is the worst argument to make that they cannot occupy the same 51 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:37,240 space in a lineup they share together, Like what about Paul George or Kawhi 52 00:03:37,319 --> 00:03:39,199 Leonard says, like that guy's not a three, Like aren't they sort of 53 00:03:39,199 --> 00:03:43,960 the quintessential I guess they're combo forwards now because that's what There's no such thing 54 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,680 as a peer three anymore. It's really but like I think like they have 55 00:03:47,759 --> 00:03:53,879 guard skills. They can guard you know, really two through four someone's I 56 00:03:53,039 --> 00:03:58,319 just like there's nothing about them that is not small forwardy as except for the 57 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,599 fact that like they can't technically both start at small forward. But like if 58 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:05,319 the I don't know if really like if someone just said, hey, what 59 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:10,879 position is Paul George, would you say power forward and say no, I 60 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,120 My point here is more so because so I'll put my top three up on 61 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,079 the screen now, Paul George is a small forward for me. I want 62 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:21,360 to make that clear. It's I'm gonna. I don't have Kauai on this 63 00:04:21,439 --> 00:04:25,160 list, and I don't have Tatum on this list either, because I called 64 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,480 Jallen Brown spoiler alert is going to be classied as a small forward. When 65 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:30,000 I'm looking at players that are going to be playing so many of their minutes 66 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,199 together, I can't live if we're gonna separate it by positions. I understand 67 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:35,879 this is why you don't want to do it. Like for if I'm you, 68 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:40,160 for example, if you're dead set on Kawhi being a three, well 69 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,360 then Paul George has got to be a two and you can get into some 70 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:45,399 of the defensive data. And I'm just like, I don't know Paul George's 71 00:04:45,399 --> 00:04:47,839 garden mostly guys who would skew towards three, and Kaui is on a lot 72 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:53,120 of the bigger forwards, and so it's not I see your I see your 73 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:56,639 case, have Kawi as a three. I just can't get there where it's 74 00:04:57,079 --> 00:05:00,480 you know that they're not playing. And I think I have one instance where 75 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,040 I'm a hypocrite in one of these positions where I have both guys playing in 76 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,720 the same position because they're staggered so much like when Paul George and Kawhi Leonard 77 00:05:05,759 --> 00:05:09,360 are just going to be on the court at the same time, and we're 78 00:05:09,399 --> 00:05:13,279 gonna separate this by position. How are they playing the same position? Then 79 00:05:13,399 --> 00:05:17,079 that's just that's what's tough for me to reconcile. YEA, Paul George is 80 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,319 my best Mall forward because I don't have Tatum Orkawai on here. Brand Inger 81 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,560 at number two. Brand Ingmer is really good. He probably deserves more All 82 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,920 Star consideration than he got. There's been some peaks and valleys with him this 83 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,839 year. I think he's come a long way over the years as a passer. 84 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:33,480 He is someone that you can trust to like, yeah, you still 85 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,040 kind of want him to take more threes at points, but you can trust 86 00:05:36,079 --> 00:05:42,519 him to run like capslock run your offense. He has been better over the 87 00:05:42,519 --> 00:05:45,480 past season and a half defensively than I think he was, you know, 88 00:05:45,639 --> 00:05:49,800 during his like initial time in New Orleans. The thing I struggle with him 89 00:05:49,959 --> 00:05:54,000 because he has such a high ceiling, are those peaks and valleys where I 90 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,079 go through and sometimes there will be game stretches where it's Wow, he's like 91 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,600 a really tough fit to put into this larger environment. But then I'll watch 92 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,480 him and he is a guy and we've seen it now in the playoffs a 93 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:08,040 couple of times that you can trust to get in the postseason and get buckets. 94 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,920 Butler, he's listed as a four at a lot of places. But 95 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,920 I looked at like that's because they're calling Jim Hawkes the three or Caleb Martin 96 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:19,680 the three, and Butler's the four. I can't get there. And when 97 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,000 you look at the defensive matchups, like your argument might be, well, 98 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,240 he's more of a shooting guard on defense than he is on and he does 99 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,000 defend a lot of bigger forwards too, But power forward was such a mess 100 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,240 already that for me it was pretty easy to put Butler as the three here 101 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,879 and just I think a lot of people probably would have him normally ahead of 102 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,560 PG and Ingram, especially if you're in a factor in the playoff argument. 103 00:06:41,759 --> 00:06:46,120 Something's off this year though, Like there's just been something's weird going on, 104 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,759 like the injuries, maybe since the age. And perhaps it'll be the postseason 105 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,279 again and we'll be sitting here trying to figure out why the heater in the 106 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,560 NBA Finals and then come back to this, tell me to fuck off. 107 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,079 You people are already finding my reactions to when Jalen Brunston signed with the Knicks 108 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,959 and throwing them back at me. Do it, like absolutely, absolutely do 109 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,839 it. But I just his Jimmy Butler shooting more threes this year. But 110 00:07:04,879 --> 00:07:11,480 there's something more limited about building around him than there is PG. And so 111 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,319 if you want to argue Ingram versus Butler, I'm here for it. But 112 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:19,000 this season specifically, I think Ingram has been better but PG for me this 113 00:07:19,079 --> 00:07:21,920 season and for the rest of this year, Like I'm taking him over over 114 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,560 Butler. Yeah, I have Butler at four just to illustrate, like, 115 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,920 oh, he wasn't a center for you, No, I have him at 116 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,560 both. Actually he's going to reapear each of the next two positions. Yeah, 117 00:07:33,639 --> 00:07:36,800 Butler four for me, I take all. I think you're right, 118 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:41,959 something feels off, but it's like something always feels off or frequently feels off, 119 00:07:41,959 --> 00:07:45,000 and then he's the best player on a finals run. So I'm just 120 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,480 not gonna put him any lower than that. Five, six, seven, 121 00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:51,759 really five through nine. So I also have brandon Ingram on my list, 122 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:59,680 but it's gonna be a minute he is not but from the next guy. 123 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:03,040 Hey, sorry to back here, but like when you really start to dig 124 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:07,000 into the Pelicans defensive assignments, and I went back and like, watch, 125 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:11,439 just like some possessions of it, you could make it case that brand Ingram 126 00:08:11,519 --> 00:08:13,480 is a two if you want to go by like defense and then but he's 127 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,079 also like, oh, he can run the offense. So you can make 128 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,839 a bunch of different positional cases for brandon Ingram. Doesn't Herb Jones kind of 129 00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:24,639 mess everything up for the positions if you're focusing on defense for New Orleans. 130 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,279 We talked about this with McCollum a little bit. It's just like, yeah, 131 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:30,360 I guess Ingram guards some two's a lot, but that's just because maybe 132 00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:33,279 Herb that the guy who's starting at the three is more dangerous, so Herb 133 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,399 Jones guards. Yeah. I mean it's it's sort of like the og effect 134 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:39,360 there where it's like he just might defend every single position. So yeah, 135 00:08:39,399 --> 00:08:41,720 speaking up, No he's not. He's on my list. So next, 136 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,399 I don't feel I don't love this, but I have Scottie Barnes fifth, 137 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:50,240 and people are gonna say he's probably a power forward, but I think the 138 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:56,120 playmaking and the like more versatile defense just feels more wingish to me, so 139 00:08:56,759 --> 00:09:00,279 I'm going to slot him at five. I bet he probably is not at 140 00:09:00,279 --> 00:09:03,120 this position. For you, I would say I would agree with uh, 141 00:09:03,159 --> 00:09:07,120 well, I don't know what might necessarily my rankings would have looked like, 142 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:13,639 but if this was pre siakam Og trade, I would have agreed with you 143 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,679 that he was more of a three. But even then, like his defensively 144 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,159 guarding a lot of the more bigger forwards and then now specifically with r. 145 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:28,039 J. Barrett Manual quickly Gary Trent Junior there, I just him as a 146 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:33,639 three feels like I just feel like iffy. So if you're basing this on 147 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,200 a retrospective for what he was playing a lot of this season, I kind 148 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,120 of get it, and I understand the the offensive role point where you don't. 149 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,639 When we say point forward, we're inclined to think three rather than four. 150 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:46,039 Yeah, I mean, he's averaging almost six assists, which is more 151 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,919 than I think everybody we've seen. You're saying it as a power forward, 152 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,919 you're not allowed to average. I'm just I'm just yes, you're not. 153 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,679 You cannot do it. It's not permitted. I just think it's sort of 154 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,159 it makes the case that he is kind of a win perimeter type player. 155 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,840 So this year, just for so every year of his career except for well 156 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:07,200 so rookie year, fifty four percent of his minutes at the four, last 157 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:11,480 year sixty percent at the three, this year thirty nine percent at the three, 158 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,480 thirty nine percent technically as a two and twenty so he's played the majority 159 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,279 of his career minutes as a three. That's using Basketball Reference, So I'm 160 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:20,399 not gonna rely on that as gospel, but it's enough to get me through, 161 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,159 uh through at least including hearing the glass has him as a three. 162 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,720 I think dunksan threes had him as a three. But when you start to 163 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:35,080 look at his like most frequent defensive matchups and like that's then incorporating the time 164 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,399 he did spend it also with og N Siakam, Julius Randall, Tatum, 165 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:45,440 Tobias Harris Kawhi, who is a four for me, like so like DeMar 166 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:48,000 Derozen, who I think a lot of people would have in the fours. 167 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,519 So I mean, like, I mean, this is hysterical, by the 168 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:54,039 way, and it's because they've played the Bulls four times, but he has 169 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,679 spent uh the seventh most time, like Nikolovuovic is the player that he is 170 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,759 defended the most is number seven on that Listwhile I'm not going to penalize the 171 00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:07,440 guy for being able to guard up and down, to your point, the 172 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:11,360 versatility in general, so throw out the offensive role, throwout what we're talking 173 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,039 about a defense. You throw it all together, and it's well, the 174 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:18,120 versatility and the malleability is just more synonymous with small forwards than in this power. 175 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,519 Yeah, but I get this for sure. It's a real it's a 176 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,759 it's more art than science, I'll admit it. How I'm dividing up positions, 177 00:11:24,799 --> 00:11:26,879 so why don't you give me your four and five. I'd be shocked 178 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:31,360 if you didn't have my number six at either four or five, just based 179 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:35,240 on the positions. This is actually a good place to like have this discussion 180 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,279 because I struggled. I thought I was gonna come into this with my four 181 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,279 and five and have these two flipped. And I also wasn't sure to be 182 00:11:43,279 --> 00:11:48,080 fair. I was wondering. So I have Jalen Brown at number four, 183 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,840 and then I have McHale Bridges at number five, So first of all, 184 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,919 players from two teams that for me personally made the positions thing hell fire. 185 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,480 Jalen Brown has a higher assist rate than mckal Bridges this year. I was 186 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:05,559 prepared to just mcal Bridge's offensive role has changed a little bit. He's not 187 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,600 as efficient. I still think he's fantastic when you look at his defensive assignments 188 00:12:11,039 --> 00:12:13,720 and some of their core lineups. I think you could call him a two, 189 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:16,399 a three. Definitely can't call him a four, but like he's done 190 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,879 that type of stuff. He was a no brain or inclusion once I decided 191 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:22,919 he was going to be a small forward. But I came into this prepared, 192 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,799 like the way I went about this is kind of made my list and 193 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,200 then thought about it. And so when I started to think about Brown versus 194 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,080 mcaale and then you dig into it like on the sheets rather than what you 195 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,600 just remember seeing, I was like, oh, John Brown's decided they've been 196 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,080 better than Michail Bridges this season, and that's just not I mean, John 197 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,360 browns an All Star and mckael Bridges wasn't. But that's you know, I 198 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,559 don't know how much that means anecdotally. So I was a little bit surprised 199 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,919 that I didn't have these two flip flops as my point and the assisting was 200 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:52,799 like that just shocked me, Like I never would have guessed that. Yeah, 201 00:12:52,799 --> 00:12:56,399 because you think of the of Brown's real weakness as like the assist to 202 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,720 turnover ratio and more dies that even though we talk about they could use another 203 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,120 ball hair like you have Drew, you have Katum, you have Derek White, 204 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:07,960 you have Al Horford, and then it's like in Brooklyn there it's like 205 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:13,120 he's Spencer Dinwiddie and cam Thomas doesn't pass and so it's like, yeah, 206 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,080 no, I I don't know where I'm trying to think where I would have 207 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,720 Brown. If I'd called him a small forward, probably I probably would have 208 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:22,679 him fifth. I think he'd be ahead of Barnes, but after Butler, 209 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:26,720 and you could make the case that he belongs over Butler probably, So I 210 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,519 don't know. I don't have an issue with that. I mean Brown, 211 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,720 Brown's been on multiple deep playoff runs too, Like you get proof of concept 212 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,720 there, Bridges is still like we're still we still aren't one hundred percent sure, 213 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,840 Like should Bridges have a bigger creation role because he's kind of floundered after 214 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:43,600 looking so good in limited minutes doing that, or is he just really like 215 00:13:45,279 --> 00:13:48,480 the the most like luxurious three and D guy that there is, Like he's 216 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,200 just like so overqualified to do that, but not quite good enough to be 217 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,519 more of an initiator. I think he's on the Chris Middleton level with that 218 00:13:56,799 --> 00:14:00,840 or can get there to where you would want him? And maybe this is 219 00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:03,639 too bullish on him the whole. Can he be a number one? I 220 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:07,879 think that ship has sailed and maybe it was never even docked. Yeah, 221 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:11,679 but he could be a one and a half and certainly a two. Yeah. 222 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:15,559 I so Bridge is a six for me just to alleviate any suspense and 223 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:20,799 that's you know issue like positionally with him, like did you struggle with that 224 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,840 at all? Or no? No, I was that was one of the 225 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,799 few I was like, hey, he's a three. That feels that feels 226 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,840 right to me because I just think of him in the context of the Suns 227 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,240 years where it's like they had a clear one, a clear two, a 228 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:33,879 clear three, and he's the three. Like that's just that's just how it 229 00:14:33,919 --> 00:14:37,799 worked. Can I actually get to my number six? Yeah, because I 230 00:14:37,799 --> 00:14:41,480 think it's gonna have to start a discussion about like the rest of our list, 231 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:46,080 and it's almost maybe counterintuitive to how I've done these in the past. 232 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:50,399 I have og Anobi, He's he's eight for me, so I have no 233 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:54,159 right. So it's not too I have so the name. I like, 234 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,279 what's the So this is the big one that I think I'll throw up my 235 00:14:56,399 --> 00:15:01,000 number seven. I have Franz Wagner. And so this is where it got 236 00:15:01,039 --> 00:15:07,799 tougher, because do you value OG's defensive versatility and efficiency in a role that 237 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:13,200 is far less complex offensively than Franz Wagner has. Like we've seen Franz Wagner's 238 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,639 efficiency has been all over the place this season. He's under well under thirty 239 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:18,679 five percent from three. Last time I checked, he was under thirty one 240 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,440 percent. So what does it for me with Og? And this is not 241 00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:24,919 a Knicks bias. One. I might have made him a four if he 242 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,720 was still in Toronto, Like I don't know what I would have done, 243 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:30,159 but he might have been a two if he was still in Toronto with the 244 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,000 Knicks because Randall and a bigger on the court almost always when he's playing. 245 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:37,399 And Randal, we know is injured at the moment. He's been the three 246 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,200 for them, but he's defending everybody. And so I'm looking at that, 247 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,159 and I'm like, there's what And he's actually defending everybody. Sometimes it's on 248 00:15:45,159 --> 00:15:48,600 the same possession. You dig into the film, you dig into the numbers, 249 00:15:48,879 --> 00:15:50,919 and they're like, the defensive metrics are lagging. He's hitting his threes, 250 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,360 he's cutting. It's stuff he's done in Toronto. But the Knicks have 251 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:56,799 more space for him to do it in the half court, and they have 252 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,320 better initiators because of Jalen Brunson. Even you know, he had Siaka but 253 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:04,559 Barnes was still learning. But having Jalen Brunton and even just like these more 254 00:16:04,559 --> 00:16:10,039 of these connector type passers like a Josh hart A, Dante DiVincenzo, Isaiah 255 00:16:10,039 --> 00:16:14,960 Hartenstein, it's all really benefited him. And I look at his defensive dominance 256 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,919 and you can say, Okay, Franz Wagner, other players that we'll talk 257 00:16:17,919 --> 00:16:19,639 about, Yeah, they're doing more with the ball, and that's theoretically harder 258 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:23,600 on offense. This is someone who and I have called og Anobi overrated in 259 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:26,399 the past. So if you're gonna tell me, you'd rather have og Than 260 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,080 than Jalen, than Butler, than McHale Bridges than Paul George. And that 261 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,519 was those were takes that were out there, not Paul George to be clear, 262 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,240 or Butler. Really I will lampoon against that. But what he does 263 00:16:38,279 --> 00:16:42,919 defensively is it goes beyond anomalist. Mm hmmm. No. So I have 264 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,600 a Franz's on my list too, So my number Seve and I so I 265 00:16:48,639 --> 00:16:51,759 don't have If you're worried about Og and Franz being like, oh, I 266 00:16:51,799 --> 00:16:53,120 don't know, they're really kind of like they're both threes. For me, 267 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,399 I think that's totally fine, And you could have put him at four if 268 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:59,000 you want, if four wasn't so loaded. I think that was part of 269 00:16:59,039 --> 00:17:03,000 my thinking too, Is we wanted to front four? You could? I 270 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,000 mean, you can either one. You could call either one of them. 271 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,480 Vot the four when Pao Bankero exists, Yeah, but he's like, it's 272 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,000 a combo forward and if you're trying to squeeze him in somewhere, you can't. 273 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:15,240 I didn't, but I just I would have. I wouldn't have knocked 274 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,279 you if you put him at the four. So I would have knocked you 275 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:19,079 if you put him at the four. Seven. Although this is another weird 276 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:23,880 positional one, is it. I'm wondering if it's my eight. I don't 277 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:29,000 know. No, it's Jalen Williams. I don't know. I don't know 278 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:33,519 why I'm necessarily calling him a three and putting him ahead of O G. 279 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,240 I think is a little iffy. But can I, you know, look 280 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:41,720 with the ball get he's nowhere near OG. Defensively, No, but he's 281 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,400 definitely not. But I think the fact that he can guard you know, 282 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,839 two through four semi capably. He can be the guy you put the ball 283 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:51,920 in his hands, which you really can't for O G. You can do 284 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,079 that with Franz. I think he's by far the most efficient scorer of anyone 285 00:17:56,079 --> 00:18:00,720 I'm really considering in this range. For from three is just ridiculous. He 286 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:03,960 doesn't take as many threes as the rest of these guys, and like team 287 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,640 contexts like he you know, the thunder, don't live and die with him 288 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:12,400 because he's often a third option. But just like the ridiculous efficiency, the 289 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:18,720 you know, the the like stat stuffing you know, five categories basically nineteen 290 00:18:18,759 --> 00:18:22,759 four and five and gets gets a steal, gets half a block. He's 291 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:26,440 got the best box plus minus and value over replacement player of anybody we've talked 292 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,559 about in the last several spots. That includes by the way, like Bridges 293 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,920 ingram Annobe. He's he's got it on all those guys. So I couldn't 294 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:40,000 put him lower than seven. But I'll readily admit like my you know, 295 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:44,559 never ending bias towards him. So I'm trying to think, so you had 296 00:18:44,599 --> 00:18:48,400 tomorrow at eight. He did not make my list. Here's I didn't know 297 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,559 what to He's no longer a shooting guard and most places are going to have 298 00:18:51,759 --> 00:18:56,480 him as a power forward at this point, and defensively, that's basically what 299 00:18:56,599 --> 00:19:00,960 he is. But I can't because of his offensive role. I can't get 300 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,160 there. And I know his efficiency has dipped. He's still shooting the hell 301 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,039 out of the ball in the clutch, and like that's gotta matter. And 302 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,920 Chicago doesn't have the best spacing environs ire either, excuse me. So you 303 00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:15,599 have to kind of appreciate the creativity he's giving you there and he's just by 304 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,960 far and away. And this is what does for me to say he's the 305 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,799 best passer on the bulls is not hot take here necessarily impressive, but the 306 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:26,680 fact that you can say it, and it's just not a problem because our 307 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,599 issues with the Bulls are not that the Marta Rosen is their best passer. 308 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,519 They go so far beyond that. So that's why I landed with Damar and 309 00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:38,519 why I kept him out of the four is because offensively he is He's a 310 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:41,559 three. And that's like kind of your argument with Scotti. So maybe I 311 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,440 waited too much of Well, I think I factored in more of Scotty's role 312 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,880 now, just based off the other players on the court. I will get 313 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,599 into my nine and ten because I did another Unless you had something to say 314 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,599 on Tamar, I know, I think he's a really interesting guy because like 315 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,319 if all we ever talk about is how shot creation is like the premium NBA 316 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,400 skill, and he has it. He absolutely has that. But he is 317 00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:08,119 by far and this is a position that you need defense from generally speaking, 318 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,279 because of the scorers that occupy it, he's by far the worst defensive player. 319 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,200 Yeah, like anyone we've talked about, and like maybe the next ten 320 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,960 guys we might even consider. So like that just that just did it for 321 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:22,599 me, And I realize that's contradictory because all you know, it is acknowledged 322 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,880 that like if you can create offense, that is a signature skill that everyone 323 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,359 wants. It's just compared to these other guys and for what the position demands, 324 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,079 I think like that just I couldn't get past that. So he's in 325 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,640 my also considered, but I just didn't have him top ten. I had 326 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,759 him close to dropping one spot for this next guy. But I'm going to 327 00:20:40,839 --> 00:20:44,240 ask you and maybe now, well, who would you rather have for the 328 00:20:44,279 --> 00:20:49,119 rest of the season, Demarta Rozen or Chris Middleton oh Man. So Middleton 329 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,759 did not make my list either, but it was considered. I think maybe 330 00:20:53,799 --> 00:20:59,400 I would rather have DeRozan because I think Middleton's availability is so if he has 331 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:00,920 average, what does he having like thirteen a game or something like, It's 332 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,519 just he's not the savorit thing is is he can still have his Knights, 333 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:07,200 and he's definitely getting lost in sort of the new hierarchy, and so I 334 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,599 can discount like that drop. He is not the same player he was two 335 00:21:11,599 --> 00:21:14,759 and a half years ago. Yeah, and that's a big deal. So 336 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,839 he didn't make my top ten either. He was eleven. My nine to 337 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,319 ten were Devin Missell and Jeremy Grant. Devin Missell, let me start with 338 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,160 Jeremy Grant. He's good he's just on lineup data, he's listed as a 339 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,680 four, but what he does defensively is more three stuff. And even the 340 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,319 way he plays offense, it's not point forward, but it's a three. 341 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,200 And so he doesn't have I trust devn Vissell as a secondary passer more. 342 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,799 And that's why I couldn't make a case for Jeremy Grant over DeMar or Franz 343 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:45,759 Wagner. And he's not as good defensively as you would think, but the 344 00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:51,119 plasticity on defense, that versatility, that valuability is huge, and the fact 345 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:56,079 that he's still been good this year despite like, well, okay, he 346 00:21:56,279 --> 00:21:59,960 likes we've seen in the past that he enjoys having a prominent offensive role. 347 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,039 But oh, he's still hitting almost fifty percent of it. Like his two 348 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:07,359 point percentage is plummeted, but he's still hitting over forty percent of his threes, 349 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,319 and like he's over twenty points a game, and his true shooting percentage 350 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:12,839 has not dropped off a cliff, even though it's, you know, below 351 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:17,720 league average, it's only by a hair So I have to respect that. 352 00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:21,559 And so I because power forward was such a bloodbath for me, I was 353 00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:25,640 like, I have the justification to make Grant a three, and Middleton was 354 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,000 my first cut there and because of the way I'm sure you have a deeper 355 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:32,839 honorable mentions list, but because of the way my lists stacked out, like 356 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,759 my first names that were tough to cut were Jade McDaniel's, Trey Murphy. 357 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,400 And then to wrap up on Devin Vessel, some people will view him as 358 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,880 a two. You could probably even make the case that he's a four. 359 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,759 He's not as good defensively as he should be. We are finding out. 360 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,680 I've seen the discourse that people like, well, I think we understand now 361 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,400 that Denvesell needs to be the number three. I still push back against that. 362 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,480 It's because you don't have a number one right now, that you have 363 00:22:56,519 --> 00:23:00,359 no idea what Devin Vessel is. And by having one, what I mean 364 00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:04,400 is Victor Wemanyama. This is fully experimental. So the best version of Victor 365 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,480 Wemenyama is your number one. It's not there yet, And so let's see 366 00:23:08,519 --> 00:23:12,839 what Wenby looks like as a more efficient efficient cell creator or if you need 367 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,680 someone like because of the makeup of the Spurs or because of Wemby, where 368 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,519 no Wenby needs to be the second best self creator, and so that will 369 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:25,640 knock Vassell down. I think he can get to a level offensively that we 370 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,400 saw for Michael Bridges after he left the suns Leash, or even with the 371 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,279 Sons during injuries, and I will die on that hill with them. No, 372 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,960 I think that's a good hill to be on. I hope you're okay 373 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,759 on it, because I might join you there. I appreciate that, just 374 00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:41,799 like maybe take a take a pic. You can have a paper cut on 375 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:45,000 that hill. You don't need to go quite that extreme. For why why 376 00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:48,319 do you keep I keep saying die on this hill? Why are you so 377 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:56,279 intent on dying? I I thought of as visell as, I guess more 378 00:23:56,279 --> 00:24:00,720 of a two. But but I no, he's not on my He's not 379 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:03,559 on my list because I got two guys to go that you already have higher 380 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:04,960 that I have to have on here. So no, I meant, I'm 381 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,279 surprised if you considered him a two that he didn't make it for you. 382 00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:11,039 Oh no, wait, sorry, I have him at a as three. 383 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,799 As a three. I don't know why I had his name cut off there, 384 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,119 and also had Trey Murphy's name cut off. He's also considered at the 385 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,160 three. So my my nine and ten are are brandon Ingram nine, Franz 386 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,680 Wagner ten. You need to explain yourself with brandon Ingram. Yeah. So 387 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:33,279 for me, basically, it's that he's not as good defensively as like say 388 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:38,680 og or Bridges or Barns or really almost anybody that's above him, probably better 389 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:44,079 than Jalen Williams are close to it. The fact that he just still doesn't 390 00:24:44,079 --> 00:24:45,759 shoot as many threes as I'd like him too. I got to pull back 391 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:51,240 up my comparison page here, thirty five percent from three, and he shoots 392 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,960 where is he three point eight three point attempts per game? Like, that's 393 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,079 just not enough if I'm gonna knock Jalen Williams for three point two, but 394 00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:02,880 he's shooting forty five, like ten percent better than Ingram, you know, 395 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,759 offensively, I just I think you could make the case that Williams is a 396 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:11,319 better offensive player and the rest of these guys are better defensively. Wagner is 397 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,160 a little bit the same. It's hard. I wanted Wagner to be higher, 398 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,480 but he's shooting like thirty percent from three, and I don't know that 399 00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:21,119 we have enough of a sample size over his career to say that, like, 400 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,759 oh, he's gonna be what I should have had the courage to do, 401 00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:27,559 which was probably bubb him below like Damar and Misceille it Lee. Obviously 402 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:33,000 they didn't make your list, but you put him where I feel like I'm 403 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,079 betting a lot on like the rest of this season a little bit. Yeah, 404 00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:38,799 so I think you were You're probably more and I'm sorry to interrupt you, 405 00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:41,920 but I think that you're more accurate here than I am. To be 406 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,880 honest, Well, I mean, Franz is twenty two, and you're comparing 407 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,160 him to like Bridges' twenty seven, Ingram twenty six, OG twenty six. 408 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,559 These are their basketball reference years. I'm not sure when exactly their birthdays are, 409 00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:53,559 but like, if you're banking on the rest of the year, like 410 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,839 Franz is the guy, right because he's got the most upside and he's playing, 411 00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:00,759 at least from a scoring efficiency standpoint, like blow what he has done 412 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,720 in the past, So I think the upside is for sure there. I 413 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,599 don't. I don't have a lot else to say. They're both really good 414 00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:11,559 players. I just Ingram to me isn't quite doesn't quite have the volume efficiency 415 00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:15,200 combo on offense to justify, like you know, he's a would you say 416 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,400 Ingram is a break even defender at this point or do you still is that 417 00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:22,839 still putting it too Rosalie? No, I don't think that's putting it too 418 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,160 rossely at all. I mean, and they do he's insulated too. I 419 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,039 think they do a good job of insulating. CJ. McCollum more, but 420 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,599 Ingram could be insulated as well. And that's a lot of that is, 421 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:34,200 well, you have Trey Murphy, you have HERB Jones, and then like 422 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,640 you know, they're not going to do the big man stuff. So it's 423 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,039 like it's harder to insulate Zion than it is Ingram or CJ. McCollum, 424 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,519 is my point, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think who 425 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,920 you haven't mentioned as like an honorable mention that I have here. You said 426 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,440 Murphy, you included the cell. Oh, Jeremy Grant, I don't have 427 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,920 here because I just had him as a four and so not considered here. 428 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,839 Kegan Murray. Just just the thought Cam Johnson is a probably more of a 429 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,559 four. Thought about him for a little bit, MPJ kind of a three 430 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,000 four thought about him a little bit DeRozan's there for me Middleton, I think 431 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,920 we've covered. Unless you have more names that we that didn't make it. 432 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,440 I think we've gotten like almost twenty deep here, so we have. So 433 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:18,480 I'll recap my top ten since we just alternate towards the end of these. 434 00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:21,440 Now, I had Paul George at one, and I'm wondering, actually, 435 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,119 very quickly, if anyone skips to the end of the video or the pop 436 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,039 and our listeners who listen on the podcast player. I don't think we'll skip 437 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:29,680 to the end, but if someone's on YouTube and just scrolls to the end 438 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,240 of this and sees my list where there's no Kawhi or Tatum, I wonder 439 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:36,960 if they'll actually be people like, how could you not rank Jason Datum or 440 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,480 something no one could know. There's no possible world where someone would assume you 441 00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,319 just don't think Tatum is a top ten small forward if you think he's a 442 00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:47,759 s I'm hoping. I'm just you know, I'm always but I have Paul 443 00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:52,279 George one, Brandan Ingram two because you're a hater, Jimmy Butler three, 444 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,880 Jalen Brown four, Michale Bridges five, Oget Adobi six, Froz Wagner seven, 445 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,200 demartro's An eight, Devin Vessel na, Jeremy Grant hit okay, And 446 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,720 again most of our differences are just in how we split positions here. So, 447 00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:08,720 uh, this will hate Ingram it is and I hate brandon Ingram. 448 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:14,519 I guess Kawhi one, Jason Tatum two, Paul George three, Jimmy Butler 449 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:18,359 four, Scottie Barnes five, mckel Bridges six, Jalen Williams seven, O 450 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:22,319 g eight, Ingram nine, and Franz Wagner ten. I guess, in 451 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:29,720 the context of your list Ingram at nine, isn't egregious having him below I 452 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,799 think McHale jwn og is. And even like that, I mean there's still 453 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:37,279 I probably would have him in front of probably behind Butler. Oh, I 454 00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:38,960 had him ahead of Butler. So I'm like, you can make the case 455 00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:42,599 more easily like he should be five. I'm surprised you have him many. 456 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,000 I'd give you Scotty or McHale, Like I'll give you one of those both 457 00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:51,119 dudes. But well, I did say five through nine is like, I'm 458 00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:55,880 open to arguments on all those within that range. But like, if we're 459 00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,480 doing tiers five through nine would be would be a tier for me? And 460 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,319 would your tier be our Kawhi and Tatum and PG? Are they a tier 461 00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:07,519 or Butler in that you think one through four is your tier? I think 462 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:11,039 maybe Kawhi and Tatum are in their own and then maybe PG and Butler belong 463 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:14,079 in one by themselves. It feels like there's some dividing lines. So I 464 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,160 got I mean, I have ten players here and I'm trying to split them 465 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,160 into like six tiers, so I don't know how. Yeah, I think 466 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,759 my top tier is like the PG, Ingram Butler, where if that's my 467 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:26,279 basis for using small forward, you could probably rank those guys in any order 468 00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:30,359 and I wouldn't give you a ton of pushback. I just think pg's been 469 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,759 I think pg's pretty clearly above Ingram and Butler, although Butler Butler's been there. 470 00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:38,359 You know, if you're the butt like that is, I know that 471 00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:41,519 we're ranking them for the rest of the season. The postseason is part of 472 00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:42,200 that. I don't know what the mind Heat look, but it's just like 473 00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:45,960 we have all this evidence that Jimmy Butler and the Heat are just gonna flip 474 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,920 this switch in the postseason, and yet we're dismissing it. Do you want 475 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,799 to take us out of here? Yeah? Thanks everybody for checking out the 476 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:56,839 small forward edition of our player rankings. Let us know what you think, 477 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,359 what you agree with, what you disagree with. How disrespectful I was to 478 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,440 brandon Ingram. Sorry, it's a tough position as always fans, Yeah, 479 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,319 that's all right. I'm trying to think I might offend him with my Zion 480 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,599 ranking too. And I didn't really give McCollum a lot of love, so 481 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,400 I may not be uh. Yeah, and we know Kings fans are gonna 482 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,759 hate you, at least hopefully. Nuggets fans they some of them got a 483 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:21,960 little mad at me already, but hopefully we're back in their good graces because 484 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,359 you called KCP the first Yeah, I'm good there. I also said Darren 485 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,160 Fox should have been an All Star. I feel very strong. Was he 486 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,400 not? Like? Get Kat off there? And if you were going to 487 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,160 put another Timberwolfo should have been Rudy Gobert. What are we doing? We 488 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:36,640 get out of my brain? That's exactly what I think. So follow us 489 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,519 on the socials at Hardwood Knox if you want to get involved in our discorder, 490 00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:44,119 get some merch links for that YouTube and podcast description. Wherever you get 491 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,119 your podcast, make sure you're giving us five stars, positive reviews, good 492 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,279 ratings, Tell your friends, Tell your enemies. Shout out Frank l Keenan 493 00:30:49,359 --> 00:31:00,240 and apologies to Jared Allen. Yeah,