WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:19.559 Thank you for listening to Pictures Media Radio. Welcome to Policy and Rights, 2 00:00:21.160 --> 00:01:03.719 the show about the government, Policy and human rights. Welcome back to Policy 3 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:06.799 and right here in Depictions Media Radio. I'm your host, Michael Cloggs. 4 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:12.359 And you know, I guess we're talking about this again and we're and we're 5 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:17.920 talking about it again and again because it is important. It is very important 6 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:29.439 that we see human rights be upheld. And while the events that happened that 7 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:36.319 the Hamas perpetrated and I do mean perpetrated because they aren't innocent in this situation. 8 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:45.480 They did do things that has brought uh simply put hell fire onto the 9 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:53.640 Palestinian people and Gaza by way of the Israeli government. They did do things 10 00:01:53.480 --> 00:02:04.640 and handle things in the less inappropriate ways that they didn't do things with the 11 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:13.199 intention of real negotiation. They didn't do things within good faith on October seventh, 12 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:22.599 twenty twenty three. But at the same time, while that is extremely 13 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:36.000 true and there needs there needs to be an accountability for what happened, we 14 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:50.039 have to say this also that at what point does defending your country, where 15 00:02:50.080 --> 00:03:00.919 does the line draw between defending your country, defending your citizens, and genocide. 16 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:14.319 We have seen that the ICC has brought charges against via South Africa has 17 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:25.759 brought charges against the Israeli government and is investigating currently into sanctions and other types 18 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:35.400 of penalties for the acts of genocide that may or may not be occurring in 19 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:43.360 in Gaza and currently right now in Rafo the one of the last places where 20 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:54.960 Savilles could hide from the fighting. So it needs to keep being talked about 21 00:03:55.199 --> 00:04:04.719 and talked about until we actually convince both parties to a cease fire and immediate 22 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:15.120 cease fire and unconditional cease fire where both sides just lay down their arms unconditionally 23 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:21.399 and then figured out the rest later on my rant on what is happening in 24 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:27.839 Palestine. Moving forward, though we are you are going to hear somebody talking 25 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:33.560 about one of the bills that is going to be moving through the US government 26 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:46.319 about anti Semitism and the effects that it could have as written that if you 27 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:54.879 criticize Israel, you're anti sematic, and you could lose government funding and be 28 00:04:55.040 --> 00:05:06.800 sanctioned as a antismatic group or organization, and it will and eventually they could 29 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:15.240 find such organizations to be uh illegal, which leaves a whole host of things 30 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:27.079 that what about religious based schools that are based in Islamic teachings, is that 31 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:31.480 going to be found to be any somatic? And and for those parents who 32 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:43.079 want their children to be immersed in their faith while they're in school, there's 33 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:48.720 there's a whole host of human rights issues that go along with such a bill. 34 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:56.639 And we'll hear from uh A a person that that that has made a 35 00:05:57.240 --> 00:06:03.240 statement about that on social media. You and we will have to look closer 36 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:11.399 into what the bill is actually saying, so UH to assure that we are 37 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:23.759 delivering you the best information about such legislation. With that from CNN, Biden 38 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:30.680 issues an ultimatium ultimatum to Israel on the Rapha incursion. And in a brief 39 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:38.759 statement here we have President Joe Biden told CNN on Wednesday he would halt some 40 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:48.240 shipments of US weapons to Israel if the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin not 41 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:57.480 I always have trouble saying his name Natia who who ordered a major invasion on 42 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:04.839 the southern city of Rafa. This comes as Interio continues to divide international pressure 43 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:14.600 to limit its campaign in the city, with Nati and Who this week saying 44 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:20.759 Israel will defend itself even if forced to stand alone. Separately, Biden, 45 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:30.720 in an interview, sought to refrain perceptions of the American economy tilting strong job 46 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:42.079 growth, while questioning polls showing voters are still pessimistic about the country's direction CNN 47 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:49.279 most recently most recent poll, Biden's approval rating for the economy at thirty four 48 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:58.800 percent and inflation twenty nine percent, remain starkly negative, as voters say economic 49 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:13.959 concerns high priority to them when choosing a presidential candidate this year. So there 50 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:22.759 we have it that people are looking very strongly at what's happening in their pocketbooks, 51 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:31.560 and it could have an effect on the presidential election overall. Okay, 52 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:37.440 the Biden administration on immigration, the Biden administration is expected to propose a rule 53 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:46.200 today that would crack down on immigrants ineligible to claim asylum. According to two 54 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:52.240 sources, The move comes as the White House has tried to toughen the position 55 00:08:52.399 --> 00:09:01.879 on the US Mexican border and flip the script on Republicans who criticize President Biden's 56 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:13.799 migration immigration policies. And we're also going to talk. There is also a 57 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:20.519 C and M report on severe weather means in the southeast US are bracing for 58 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:28.960 possible severe weather today that could bring large hail, damaging winds, and flooding. 59 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:37.639 The Storm Prediction Center has issued as a Level three of five enhanced risks 60 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:43.600 for severe thunderstorms from East Texas to Central Georgia and as far as south as 61 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:56.679 South Carolina. At the same time, officials at the Central and Southern US 62 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:09.240 are assessing damage from reported tornadoes and powerful storms that could that killed at least 63 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:18.240 three people on Wednesday. So why don't we listen to what one gentleman has 64 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:28.279 to say about a possible anismatic UH legislation And they were going to listen to 65 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:39.639 debates on UH decriminalization or says should we say recriminalization in British Columbia of street 66 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:48.480 street drug use? And there's it's gonna be a a bit of a debate 67 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:54.960 between UH, the three kN three major Canadian parties about the handling of drug 68 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:07.279 addiction. Is it a health issue or a criminal issue? And how should 69 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:13.080 it be handled? And if it's handled as a health crisis, it could 70 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:18.399 look differently than if it is just a legality thing that we just need to 71 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:26.320 wrap up the criminals and throw them in jail. So there there is a 72 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:35.960 debate across Canada about how to handle the the opiate crisis and the toxic levels 73 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:41.799 of fentanyl that are being found in street drugs that could mean like instant death 74 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:52.159 for addicts. So there's some debate about that and how that that could actually 75 00:11:52.240 --> 00:12:01.399 be handled. There is also we're going to hear more from Canadian officials about 76 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:15.919 UH Palestine and the pro Palestinian protests that are happening across Canada, and they're 77 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:24.879 actually going to name Miguel University specifically, where law law enforcement was asked to 78 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:33.320 just simply take down the encampments and again either disband or jail the protesters. 79 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:46.360 There's the there is again that narrative of either you support what Israel is doing 80 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:54.679 or you are committing some sort of hate crime against the Jewish people. So 81 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:01.440 again we're going to start with what a gentleman that actually has to say his 82 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:18.679 comments about a proposed antisemitic legislation in the United States, The Anti Semitism Awareness 83 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:22.960 Act is by partisanship gone bonkers. It says something that you can't get Republicans 84 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:28.960 and Democrats to agree on funding a bridge that was torn apart and cost people 85 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:33.759 their lives in the State of Maryland. And yet they can come together to 86 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:39.919 tell a Norwellian lie like this idea that to criticize Israel is inherently anti Semitic. 87 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:43.600 As a Jewish man, I find that abhorrent. I've been criticizing Israel 88 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:45.639 my whole life, douse. I mean, I've been anti Semitic, my 89 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:48.279 whole life. Was I anti Semitic during my bar minsmah, For goodness sakes, 90 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:54.000 it's a ridiculous position to take, absolutely ridiculous. It infringes on freedom 91 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.279 of speech. But even more than that, people don't realize how pernicious this 92 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:01.440 bill is because they can withhold. They're recommending to the Department of Education to 93 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:09.440 withhold federal funding to institutions that actually, as they put it, shelter anti 94 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:13.320 Semitic speech. Think about what that means. Think about Palestinian scholars at schools, 95 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:18.480 at state schools. They're brilliant ones across the country. Imagine those schools 96 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:24.159 losing state funds because of a critique of Israel, which is right now committing 97 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:28.159 a genocide. I mean, it's enough to make your head want to explode. 98 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:31.279 But anyone who's read there orwell knows what's going on here. This is 99 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.600 about them telling a lie often enough and loud enough for people to try to 100 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:46.440 think it's the truth. The Anti Semitism Awareness Act. So he refuses to 101 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:56.799 rule out repeating this disastrous experiment that killed twenty five hundred British Columbians because he 102 00:14:56.919 --> 00:15:03.639 strongly supports dec and if he got a chance, he would do it all 103 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:09.080 over again in Toronto, in Montreal and anywhere else, mister speaker. The 104 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:15.200 final question, therefore, is even the radical NDP government in BC asked for 105 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:20.360 him to reverse his decriminalization, why did it take him ten days and sixty 106 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:26.120 six more deaths to do it? The right Honorable Prime Minister again, mister 107 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:31.960 speaker, we see the extent to which the leader of the opposition will make 108 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.480 attacks on the political attacks on the backs of the most vulnerable people in this 109 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:43.759 country. We actually only received the completed request from British Columbia Friday last week 110 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:48.759 and proved it the following Monday, three days later, mister speaker. We 111 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:54.759 will always respond quickly in a science based way when people's lives are on the 112 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:58.639 line. The leader of the opposition is continuing to spread falsehoods, mister Speaker, 113 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:04.679 in that of actually following the facts and caring for Canadians well with their 114 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:08.320 thoughts on the debate and Ottawa's decision. We're now joined by tal Of Nurmahammad, 115 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:12.799 the Parliamentary Secretary to the Heritage Minister, Melissa Lansman, the Deputy Conservative 116 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:17.440 leader, and Gore John's, the NDP critic for mental health and harm reduction. 117 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:21.120 Hello to all three of you. Hello, mister Murmahammad. I'll get 118 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:22.399 you to start us out here, because you know, not only are you 119 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:27.320 a parliamentary secretary, but you're also a Vancouver Airy MP. I hear the 120 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:33.000 Prime Minister say that it was only last Friday that the full paperwork was submitted. 121 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:36.519 But as you know, the province, your province was asking for this 122 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:41.440 scale back a week before that. So how will you explain that delayed timeline 123 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:44.480 to the voters in your writing? I think, first of all, it's 124 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:48.919 important to note what exactly this is about. This is about a pilot project 125 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:52.759 that the NDP government asked for several months ago. We acceded to that request. 126 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:57.080 They asked for that to be amended. We've acceded to that request, 127 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:00.919 and it's very important to understand that they made the request the specifics of the 128 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:04.599 request were received on Friday. That's what we were responding to. And so 129 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:10.680 now the real issue is to make sure that in this conversation we use a 130 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:14.920 science based, fact based approach rather than misrepresenting the facts. The fact is 131 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:18.519 that this program was put in place to save lives. The effort was made 132 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:21.160 by the Province of British Columbia. Now, there were other things that were 133 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:25.720 needed to be done alongside the decisions that were made around treatment, all of 134 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:29.119 those different important pillars, But the fact is that the reason for this was 135 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:33.599 to make sure that the fentanyl deaths that were happening as a result of unsafe 136 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:37.680 drugs in people's hands, that those were mitigated. The reality is that you 137 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:41.680 can't help people who have already died, and so the objective of this program, 138 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:45.079 as the BC government requested and noted, was to try and save lives. 139 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.640 They have recognized that there are challenges they came to us with this request. 140 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:52.279 That request has been met, ms Lands, But what do you say 141 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:56.799 to that, Because I hear your party hit the federal government on this one 142 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:59.880 hard. But at the end of the day, this is a program that 143 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:04.279 BC, as a provincial government wanted to try out with the intent of saving 144 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:11.119 lives. This is an ideological crusade by this government to legalize smoking, crack 145 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:17.960 smoking, meth, shooting up in playgrounds in public places. It is responsible 146 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:23.160 for the death of twenty five hundred British Columbians last year forty thousand since this 147 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:26.960 government came into place. This will go down as one of the most insane 148 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:33.160 policies that the government enthusiastically supported and then waited eleven days with some weird explanation 149 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:40.599 about when paperwork was done to turn back. Even the radical NDP NBC decided 150 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:44.279 that this was too radical for them, and the Prime Minister today could not 151 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:48.440 disavow decriminalization. So we want to know what he believes and what he's going 152 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:52.799 to do next and where mister Johns, what's your take of it, because 153 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.359 you have the two sides right there beside you, on the one hand arguing 154 00:18:56.359 --> 00:19:00.559 that this is for an effort to save lives, the other saying that it 155 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:03.279 just doesn't make sense if you want to save lives. Well, first of 156 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:07.559 all, my heart goes out to all the victims and the families of the 157 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:11.759 loved ones that have died to this tragic crisis, and as we know, 158 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:17.200 in a health crisis, incrementalism cost lives, and the Liberals have taken a 159 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:21.359 slow approach in terms of responding to this health emergency. They still haven't declared 160 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:26.000 a national public health emergency. The conservatives disinformation also costs lives. I mean, 161 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:33.400 it's completely false that decriminalization is the cause of the toxic drug crisis or 162 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:41.160 the reason people are dying. We've heard from police that they wanted some tools 163 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:44.960 to be able to deal with public drug use, but they also said that 164 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:48.839 criminalizing people causes more harm and they don't want to go back to it. 165 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:52.359 We can look to Alberta where they don't have decriminalization, where they don't have 166 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:57.359 a safer supply. Now, as of today, when we saw the release 167 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:02.920 of the BC Corners report, that Alberta now has the highest death rate per 168 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:07.039 capita in the country. In fact, Lethbridge is triple that of British Columbia. 169 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:11.599 And they don't have decriminalization, they don't have safer supply. The things 170 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:15.319 that the conservatives like to cite when they point to the reason people are dying, 171 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:19.480 they're dying from poison drugs manufactured by organized crime. That is, according 172 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:26.200 to the police, to health officials, and this disinformation is harmful. It 173 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:30.279 creates more stigma and it creates a lot of hurt to the families of the 174 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:33.400 loved ones, when in fact, we need to come together, we need 175 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:37.720 to declare a public health emergency and have a robust debate how we move forward 176 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:41.640 together as a nation in the middle of this health crisis. It's important to 177 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:47.480 note, Michael that when this policy was requested by the government of British Columbia, 178 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:49.799 it was in partnership with the City of Vancouver, local police, local 179 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:55.359 law enforcement who came forward and said we support this. So when our government 180 00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:57.640 looked at that request, we made the evidence based, science based decision. 181 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:04.039 And as Gore rightly pointed out, if you look at the magnitude the quantum 182 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:08.480 of deaths in a place like Alberta and the conservative government, the far right 183 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:14.119 conservative government in Alberta and Saskatchewan, the lives that are being lost there without 184 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:17.759 any openness to looking at ways to save lives. That speaks volumes for what 185 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:21.160 a paulf government would do, which is frankly, to put at risk more 186 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:23.160 and more and more Canadians and play politics with people's lives. We're not going 187 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:26.440 to do that. I think it's really important for Canadians to understand the rationale 188 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:30.839 for doing this, the rational for pulling it back, and the urgent need. 189 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.640 The urgent need to look at treatment of addictions, to look at safe 190 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:37.599 supply, to look at all of the elements and tools available in our arsenal 191 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.440 to make the right decisions in a four pillars approach to saving lives. Michael, 192 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:44.400 why don't you let me tell you what a pure paulf government do. 193 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:48.160 We will ban hard drugs, we will ban smoking crack in a hospital room, 194 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:51.400 we will ban shooting up in a playground next to schools, and we 195 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:56.400 will ensure that those who are affected by addiction get the treatment that they need. 196 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:00.480 We have two parties here arguing still the decriminalization is the way forward, 197 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:04.599 that these kinds of insane programs are the way forward, and we want to 198 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:10.319 make sure that to support healthcare, to keep funding, to tell us that 199 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:12.559 they won't do this elsewhere, that they wouldn't do this in Toronto, that 200 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:15.480 they wouldn't do this in Montreal. We have the right to know, and 201 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:19.559 Canadians have the right to know whether they believe in decriminalization or not. We 202 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:26.079 hear that Gored absolutely does, and we haven't heard the Liberals disavow legalization and 203 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:32.759 their failed experiment which has killed thousands of people and diverted drugs. It kills 204 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:37.839 thousands every year and it kills six people a day. Took them eleven days 205 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.799 to tell Canadians that this was not a plan that they were going to go 206 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:44.799 forward and they still can't say that it's not something that they're going to go 207 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:48.119 forward with in Toronto and Montreal and how effects and anywhere else? That asks 208 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:52.680 Ms Lensman if and this is picking up on what we heard from mister John's. 209 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:56.920 If the Vancouver police are in favor of trying a pilot program, if 210 00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:03.160 the city the provinces, why not allow them to try to save lives best 211 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:07.079 they can by trying something different rather than just the status quo. The pilot 212 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:12.680 program has failed again. Even the radical NDP BC government who has been for 213 00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:21.039 this, has come crawling to ask the Liberals to go back on this failed 214 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:25.480 experiment. We want to know if the federal government is in favor of decriminalization. 215 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:27.960 It's clear that the answer is yes, because it's not no, and 216 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:32.640 we want to know that if they're going to expand this program to places like 217 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:37.119 Toronto in Montreal. Canadians have a right to know that. Mister Murmuhammad, 218 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:40.799 how would you answer that question? Is the government prepared to expand this program 219 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:44.079 and try other pilots? Well, Miss Landsman is entitled her opinions, but 220 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:45.240 not to her own facts. What are the facts? The facts are the 221 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:49.559 Province of British Columbia, alongside the City of Vancouver and the VPD and other 222 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:53.680 law enforcement came forward and said we would like to try this. We reviewed 223 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:59.119 the application, we accepted their request. They came back and said, look, 224 00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:02.359 this isn't working in the form that it's in right now. We said, 225 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:04.039 that's what you want, we will remove we will we will accede to 226 00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:07.599 that request and we will grant the request that you've got. Those are the 227 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:11.880 facts. We are a science based, evidence based government. When provincial governments 228 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:14.960 come to us, regardless of their political stripe, with things that they would 229 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.119 like to try to save lives, we are going to assess those and evaluate 230 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.200 them on their merits. Ms. Lantskin can make Lantsman can make up whatever 231 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:23.039 narrative she would like, that's up to her. But the facts are the 232 00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:26.319 facts, and what we have done and we will continue to do is to 233 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:30.079 do everything that we can in our power to save lives. How you are 234 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:36.279 so, you are well. You are open then as a government to try 235 00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:40.119 this pilot elsewhere. What we have said and what we will continue to say 236 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:45.359 is if there are means that are brought forward that are evidence based, with 237 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:48.640 the backing of the relevant authorities, with the backing of the relevant data, 238 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:52.920 that show that we can save lives in this urgent moment in our history where 239 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:56.519 people are dying from toxic drugs, we should be open to looking at what 240 00:24:56.559 --> 00:25:02.880 the science says, not making ideological decisions a misnumbered urgency. And again back 241 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:07.079 to urgency. What we're not seeing from this federal government is treating this as 242 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:11.519 a health emergency. They've spent less than one percent of resources that they applied 243 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:15.680 to COVID nineteen, yet we've lost more lives in my home province of British 244 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:19.200 Columbia. The province of BC's looking for a federal partner. We can look 245 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:23.160 at what the Conservatives will do when we look to Alberta at Saskatchewan, where 246 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:30.920 it's a disaster. The death rates from toxic drugs are skyrocketing. Their single 247 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:36.519 focused policies are a complete failure. And we look at even north to Alaska, 248 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:41.079 their death rates grew forty five percent a Republican state last year, and 249 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:47.720 that isn't a state that has safe supply or harm reduction or decriminalization. So 250 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:52.319 we've got to get away from this policy that British Columbia, it's decriminalization policy 251 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.480 or safe supply is responsible for what's happening. What we need is to scale 252 00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:03.440 up rapidly treatment on demand, prevention, recovery education, and we need to 253 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:07.880 stop criminalizing people for using substances. Something we've heard loud and clear from both 254 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:11.359 the police and from health professionals, and we need to listen to them. 255 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:15.160 We know the Conservatives don't believe in evidence and they don't believe in listening to 256 00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.759 the experts. But mister, mister John, how do you respond then to 257 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:22.799 the point that was being made by Ms Landsman here that British Columbia itself is 258 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.559 pointing to a failure and as a result is scaling back. Does that not 259 00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:32.079 point to underlying problems with this program overall? I think with a trial, 260 00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:33.960 you have to listen to the public and you have to be willing to adjust. 261 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.680 They heard loud and clear from the police that they needed to make sure 262 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:41.319 that they had tools to move people along, but they said only in extraordinary 263 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:47.759 circumstances what they arrest people. They also unequivocally clear they do not believe criminalizing 264 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:52.519 people who use substances will help. They said those days are gone, quote 265 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:56.359 right from the President of the BC Chiefs of Police. We need to listen 266 00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.160 to them, and what we're doing is encouraging the provincial government and the federal 267 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:04.039 government to do just that. But Alberta and Saskatchewan they don't want to listen 268 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:08.440 to anybody. Their single focus is costing lives. Look at Lethbridge, they 269 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:14.160 close safe consumption sites and now their death rates are triple that of British Columbia. 270 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.599 What we need is the federal government to get on board open more safe 271 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:21.119 consumption sites. That's a call to action by the chiefs of police, by 272 00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:25.720 the way, to make sure that people don't die when they're using substances and 273 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:30.440 they use them safely. And we've only had one death, you know, 274 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.680 in over a decade of safe consumption sites, so we know that they're important, 275 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:37.240 but they're also an important tool. So that people aren't using in public, 276 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:41.039 especially people that are marginalized or homeless, and Miss Landsman, you know, 277 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.640 is there a danger here that your party's leaning into much on criminal law 278 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:48.200 and not focusing enough on a health issue. Look, I think that it's 279 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:52.799 very clear, and Canadians have been very clear. British Columbians have been very 280 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.400 clear. It's exactly the reason why the BC government asked this government to stop 281 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:02.240 their insane project. People are dying. There are needles in soccer fields being 282 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:06.559 picked up by parents before their kids play. There is meth being smoked and 283 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:11.640 blown in the face of nurses in hospitals, which does not happen in Thornhill. 284 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.640 It happened in BC because you gave them a carve out to allow that 285 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:19.000 to happen. I'm sitting between two politicians that want to see more taxpayer drugs, 286 00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:23.200 which we know have been diverted. We know that the Vancouver Police the 287 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:29.400 fifty percent of what they've seized from safe supply or unsafe supply as we would 288 00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:33.319 call it, are from the hands of diverted drugs that end up in schools 289 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.839 with young people. Pharmaceuticals is nominal what they're getting, and I think that 290 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:44.519 both of these who want the criminalization go forward are going to pay for it 291 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:48.160 when they have to explain that to their constituents, who clearly want to see 292 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:52.799 something else. That the can unequivocally clear that the diversion of safer supply is 293 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.559 not what's killing people. It is toxic fentanyl. They've repeated that over and 294 00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:02.400 over again, that pharmaceuticals is nominal at best, and hydromorphone is just a 295 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:04.400 fraction of that, never mind a version of them. To sit here, 296 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:11.559 it is okay in the schools, and it's not people nobody wants to see. 297 00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:17.359 But that is well, this is exactly this is. But this is 298 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:22.559 exactly you know. Uh, the Conservatives failed to listen to the experts. 299 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.720 Even the Law and Order party will refuse to listen to the police themselves. 300 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.480 No, I go back to I go back to. UH. For those 301 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.079 of you that are watching the show, I would encourage you to read what 302 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:34.880 Ben Parent, who is a senior advisor to Stephen Harper, had to say. 303 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.880 Ben is one of the strongest advocates for taking the approach that says, 304 00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:44.519 first of all, don't criminalize addiction, don't treat people who have a health 305 00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:48.440 crisis who have a health challenge as criminals. He has been out there advocating 306 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.440 for an intelligent, thoughtful approach. Now, what we did is we looked 307 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:53.720 at BC's approach. BC's request, We agree to that request. They came 308 00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:56.039 back and said there are challenges, we want this to be changed. We 309 00:29:56.079 --> 00:30:00.319 accepted their request. What we have to be asking our as a country is 310 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:06.039 are we prepared to do things to save people's lives? Are we prepared to 311 00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:07.359 look at science? Let me let me jump in, Let me jump in. 312 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:10.680 I'm sorry to interrupt it quickly running out of time, you know, 313 00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:12.400 we have less than a minute here, So I want to go down the 314 00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:17.319 line here, beginning with you, mister Normahammad. What what do you want 315 00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:22.480 Canadians to do right now? Exercise patients be more critical at this point in 316 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.079 the debate. What do you want Canadians to do in reaction to this? 317 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:30.079 It's very simple, you know. I think Canadians need to look at the 318 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.519 facts. The facts are that BC made a request, We acceded to that 319 00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:37.279 request. They came back. They said the pilot program that they had designed 320 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:38.359 didn't work as well as they would have liked. They wanted us to pull 321 00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.319 back from that they wanted our permission to pull back. We've granted that. 322 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.960 But what I would like Canadians to be able to do is to think about 323 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:51.200 all of the tools available in our arsenal to deal with the opioid crisis. 324 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:55.359 To think about the question of how we address tainted drugs, all of the 325 00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:59.079 challenges that we are seeing, and that's why we've put money forward to support 326 00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.079 law enforcement in this effort. That's why we've put money forward into the healthcare 327 00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:03.319 system, and we're going to keep working with provinces, who, by the 328 00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.000 way, are the jurisdiction responsible for these challenges, to work with them to 329 00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.480 ensure that we are saving lives across the way. Regardless of political party, 330 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.079 we have to be looking at the important work of saving lives and ensuring public 331 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:18.480 safety at the same time. Miss Landsman, same question to you. Well, 332 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.440 we are going to advocate for no taxpayer funded drugs that end up in 333 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:29.799 the hands of those who abuse them, and we want to make sure that 334 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.480 those who are afflicted by addiction get the treatment that they need and not more 335 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:38.200 taxpayer funded drugs. We want to hear from the Liberals an unequivocal denunciation of 336 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:44.680 the failed decriminalization policy of the failed legalization of smoking, crack and meth in 337 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.680 hospital rooms and finding needles because people are shooting up in parks next to kids. 338 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:52.880 It's very simple, are you against it? And if you're not against 339 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.200 it, when are you going to approve it? For Toronto, for Montreal, 340 00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:59.279 for Halifax, and for anyone that asks, they should be able to 341 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:00.759 It's a simple, well, yes or no question. And what we didn't 342 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:04.920 hear on the panel today is that okay, and mister John's final word to 343 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.680 you. It's a health issue and they need to declare a public health the 344 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:13.240 national public health emergency. They need to rapidly work with the provinces and territories 345 00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:17.400 and scale up treatment on demand, prevention, education, recovery and scaling up 346 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:22.759 safer supply of substances and stop criminalizing people. Also, they need to reinstate 347 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:29.359 the Expert Task Force to give the government expert advice, oversight and accountability. 348 00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:32.680 And lastly have a first Minister's meeting. We had an auto theft summit, 349 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:37.480 but we haven't had a summit on one of the most deadly health crisis in 350 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.599 the history of our country. It's actually unbelievable not saying that auto theft isn't 351 00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:45.640 an important issue, but this is clearly a much more important issue to all 352 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:49.119 Canadians. 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The 372 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:27.119 decision is fast down the sector co the sussiding decision carestvac les public in the 373 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:44.960 department lavelet acre more focused s not service for the Canadian Canadian. The news 374 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:52.679 are s per continuit theliver less service a protege large the country. There not 375 00:36:53.199 --> 00:37:01.679 economy. There about excres about going back to work in the office three days 376 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:05.679 three days a week. They wanted to go back to two days a week 377 00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:10.440 to be physically in the office. Thank you for the question. The most 378 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:17.480 important thing is to continue to deliver services for Canadians and to protect taxpayer dollars 379 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:22.679 and at the same time to recognize that we do have the best public service 380 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:29.840 in the world. The change that is contemplated by the Department, who executed 381 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:36.000 this change with the purp of the Privy Council is to work is to move 382 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:40.599 from two to three days per week to three days per week. So the 383 00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:47.880 hybrid model continues to exist. A hybrid work environment continues to exist. There 384 00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:55.920 is for many people a four month transition period and managers are going to be 385 00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:01.239 required to be in the office four days per week. And so all of 386 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:08.800 that is within the jurisdiction of the Government of Canada and it's executed by the 387 00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:17.639 departments. And I will say that a hybrid work environment is not within the 388 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:25.519 collective agreements. It is something that at the time of negotiations, the Government 389 00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:32.800 of Canada retained prerogative over to determine the scope of the hybrid environment. Thank 390 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:38.079 you about ques concerns about the building space. Obviously they need more support. 391 00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:40.800 What else are you going to do to help bring down the grocery prices and 392 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:45.159 provide them some service. The grocery Code of Conduct that that's the number one 393 00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:51.960 priority. I spoke again to the leadership of Blah Laws and told them in 394 00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.079 no un certain terms, that's what Canadian expect. So all the pressure now 395 00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:58.760 is on the grocery Code of Conduct. That's the best way to really had 396 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:01.400 more balanced and fair. When you talk to the independent grocer in the country, 397 00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:07.639 they say today the way the market is structured with three companies which basically 398 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.320 control fifty percent of the market, their voice is not heard. So we 399 00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:15.039 need to have a rebalance. And I've been very clear to them there will 400 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:19.480 be a code of conduct one way or the other. So we let the 401 00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:22.920 industry process go. But like I said, we need to have something otherwise 402 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:29.199 we would be having to look at legislation to make sure that we achieve with 403 00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:36.199 consumers and Kennin expect. So party political party fundraisers, do you think that 404 00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:38.760 they are transparent enough? Could the government go forward? Well, I'm not 405 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:42.440 sure how they could be more transparent. I mean, everything I do there's 406 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.320 cameras, and there's journalists and there's people, so it is public. Everything 407 00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:50.360 that I do is public. Everywhere I go there's journalists or there's people, 408 00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:54.360 and there's videos and there's pictures. So the Ethics Commissioner says that the government 409 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:59.880 could if they wanted to go further and the best practices around lobbying and those 410 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:04.239 fundraisers, they could extend, make it the law and apply to opposition leaders 411 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:08.159 and opposition well, I think if the opposition wants to follow our leadership, 412 00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:12.800 that would be welcome. I think Canada is one of the most transparent laws 413 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.440 that I know of, at least when it comes to the fundraising. I 414 00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:19.800 do know that as the Liberal party, we have some of the most transparent 415 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.280 rules, and yes, it'd be a good thing if the others want to 416 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:32.920 follow suit in what we're doing here in the country. 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Why is the public sac back to worry to 442 00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:42.000 talk about why it's important for public sector workers to be next week? Do 443 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:54.679 you want me to look at visit? No, sorry, you were asking 444 00:44:54.719 --> 00:45:00.079 me, well, why what don't you please say why public sector workers to 445 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.159 be in the office for three days? Well, I think what I was 446 00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:06.280 saying is that if you look at at the number of companies in the country, 447 00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:09.559 whether it's banks, whether it's enturance company or more and large a number 448 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:15.239 of companies in the country, I think people have brought back and their employees 449 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:19.159 for you know, a couple of days in the office. I think it's 450 00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:22.360 important also for the culture that you're trying to develop. But that needs to 451 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:27.119 be done in the within the context of uh, you know, accommodating those 452 00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.760 there will always be special cases. We brought a lot of people in different 453 00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:35.320 regions of the country, so making sure that we can be accommodating those who 454 00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.119 need to be accommodated, making sure that we bring people for a number of 455 00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:42.639 days, and at the same time doing that, We're going to work with 456 00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:45.320 the unions as we always do to make sure. But I think if you 457 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.280 want to build a culture, you need to bring people together from time to 458 00:45:47.320 --> 00:46:04.760 time. Set on the tagere the psalm flag of parts and them and skid 459 00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:08.519 the the functional to seek left in the start and customers up. Memore the 460 00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:15.760 minside gramm minister like the media must prom the very mail function right and really 461 00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:27.119 what ConA f and as men are adapted he adopted man, yeah, appropriately 462 00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:35.840 and functioning Consyder three's just another monk Netflix the nouvelle links Chris, he looks 463 00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:45.599 that on Sati and Felix is becoming. Then pascaliundre nostre is on that what 464 00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:52.239 isgn kids you know they can really places becomes so the bigger the confider exists. 465 00:46:52.519 --> 00:47:00.239 I said, con look, come in in pass your part country going 466 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:06.880 up the fly they fed the kid for the costom showing dispute the kid, 467 00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:22.920 but fed the fire the one they bruce. That's up. Well, look 468 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:27.679 what I think we've got to described as back work. The people who would 469 00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:30.119 work back back to the office. I love this. It's being taken by 470 00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:37.519 the seven Service to serve the office, pans of departments to serve Canadians prey 471 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:43.360 downs office and the Public Services determined that this is required in order to maximize 472 00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:46.199 the performance that the government a lot of the Canadians. Then I think it 473 00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:50.360 makes sense. But this is an operational decision, not a potable one, 474 00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:52.320 and I think it's important that we listen to the advice of those who are 475 00:47:52.559 --> 00:48:05.519 running the system from the clear. Yes. Sorry, Look, generally speaking, 476 00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:09.159 I think transparency and all things is a good thing unless there's some national 477 00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:15.960 perative around security, coal propriety or other factors. When it comes to our 478 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:20.360 politics and where people raise money, I think transparency is generally a good thing. 479 00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:24.000 I think Canadians deserve to know a that they can participate in the democratic 480 00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:29.440 process within the rules that are set, but b that the Canadians will understand 481 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:34.840 where political parties are raising their money, what interests made me informing physicians as 482 00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:38.119 the party stake in a democracy. The transparent doesn't work with that transparency and 483 00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:43.159 Canadians deserve to know who's funding the campaigns of all parties. Excellent, thank 484 00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:59.079 you noon, that's almost save up on that much as young as on a 485 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:08.920 scay Saints going to banks. So yeah, pad on the road they pad, 486 00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:15.960 so I'm gonna sacree or Tom Smith President most propole most work that this 487 00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:22.400 is young like the praise from Shai, the o from Snai the Giant he 488 00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:27.360 pulled at the end of the part of Man the Cornelli, the just Snai 489 00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:35.800 to the casual person Man say see thee Skre in Nedew Marco Books for Refined 490 00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:43.840 Virtually Young, You're a prosposition of Apollo exposition of praise must black, sir, 491 00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:59.079 which we uh day degrees that the Mountain Who Committee excuse because kick Kick 492 00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:08.639 kicks Quebec proposing manders in the shows the Johnando marial A party in study they 493 00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:16.400 found Frances she and there's academic pro poke with the zipp tem Silly Sound VX, 494 00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:23.360 the instrument Exclusive promos Sender Manmands Party and Medissa Party. It was in 495 00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:31.320 March, but Acadaic propokeing withal mop planymity and the concretion of the left purposes 496 00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:42.320 and la pose like a sa compared with the vancomte excuse me see silly person 497 00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:50.920 so some person s person some instution excuse that's something that is quebec with VX. 498 00:50:52.400 --> 00:51:00.679 Just the propos come out possibly shows who was partic don't know silly do 499 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:06.760 person being so do les parf come attack he blessed, doorga sillly do m 500 00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:15.000 B and sour bessage excuse report to pocis la dame and the see on extra 501 00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:24.360 pos exactly the found Alan Francis. She suited maybe okay before many person now 502 00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:31.000 exactly she PoID the communication of your person problem to non p person when you 503 00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:42.719 do persons of webs sur he some vex perscu excuse nothing man like okay because 504 00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:53.079 up now she quite so she put romantically come to present the dova, the 505 00:51:53.159 --> 00:52:00.360 committee perman and the unanimity the community key you see phone is it to mess 506 00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:13.280 present like what the party lastem compared with the com determenter and repose like a 507 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:24.679 just cont hans message. No let's start massage said please so the low if 508 00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:31.440 this aglophone the consume that stuff ounds vannic and ugly, varnicle premier and ugly, 509 00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:38.840 varic and ugly, the person and age and ugly. But it's a 510 00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:49.760 key disc come well, Wash agrees Christian anglophon fan can not anglophone no stip 511 00:52:50.840 --> 00:53:00.840 sur like Y didn't the compte u determinate party. I can don't the money 512 00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:09.400 jointed the mona comb on the government and of the she probably was aim and 513 00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:19.280 cat pology of my immediate match. Partis what I wanted to give it. 514 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:30.840 Actually the problem I feel a deep and actually done deeper in order to maximize 515 00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:44.719 ye here because this maself okay, make supposing this case actually in your names 516 00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:57.000 your problem context point. That's not the rock exactly because the perks blood so 517 00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:06.400 the superstage if the readom, it's because the piece numb that the new letter 518 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:14.360 country you convince over the redom s B. God used to do that a 519 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:25.119 porpula that you macop give part h Q showed of spread brand anymore. Every 520 00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:37.159 part is your conc partter coromotive love for Selt Company, France travel and b 521 00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:45.599 the premier governs the France. The name be from one city of the country. 522 00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:52.199 Fry what modern easy present partly or commented lands the man who will help 523 00:54:52.239 --> 00:55:14.760 speed not that's more commenci and plays down the new it's p system of conversation 524 00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:30.880 le Quebec and the litery fundraisers headlined some of them. Do you think there's 525 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.679 enough for all parties in terms of being done in terms of transparency? You 526 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:38.159 know that lobby's attend them. There's coda, there's a best practices in terms 527 00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:44.679 of making sure there's no sort of perceived perceived look that lobbyists are getting sort 528 00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:46.559 of any sort of preferential access. Is there more than used to be done 529 00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:51.199 when it comes to transparency. Look, it's important for people to follow the 530 00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:53.320 rules and for lobbyists to follow the lobbyist registry. I think it's all the 531 00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:58.639 way back when Minister Gold was Minister of Democratic Institutions that we change the rules 532 00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:01.920 related to fundraising. Media is invited. I haven't seen many media at the 533 00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:06.239 fundraisers that I've hairded. So you're you're welcome to come and join us and 534 00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:09.159 see what happens to these fund raisers is like arousing speech, some some food 535 00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:13.280 and then people go home. So I haven't looked at those rules. I 536 00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:20.400 follow those rules and they're working. From my perspective, I spent called the 537 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:35.960 large seal a prais la champ aintzik and tell the leader the chef Delta Sasit 538 00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:46.719 and propos Spasco Siki Spaso Committee on Committee and Bunny sud the stitude policy temper 539 00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:54.760 robust. A writer then was escorted after I wasn't there. What do you 540 00:56:54.800 --> 00:57:00.480 think about I wasn't there. I wasn't there. I can comment, I 541 00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:15.840 wasn't there. Support ectly misstander's role is see contre the regular, the university, 542 00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:21.480 the did but La sent to university, the paracular police locale, the 543 00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:31.079 Determini Army Madelefander jule Season complement son La on the the di reclar university in 544 00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:43.760 his own and sus the security legal conference, the press dig The part of 545 00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:59.840 Canada command is solo campus in anti sim is so compus Canada. Study this 546 00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:15.400 people people, Sir for cost Cane, so Les Martel come from escape. 547 00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:22.119 You see that for this, sirs, not down the minute shoulders so it 548 00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:29.400 can security people is the qui. Yeah, did work in the retrospect in 549 00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:36.960 certainly mentally accomplished, Yeah, directly directly respects respected, on the Kennedy what 550 00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:40.639 if you've got down a paid security it's a k what just this is only 551 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:52.400 the point price miss City, certain media, Wellington. So do you want 552 00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.119 to do you want to go back to English? And how okay? Thy 553 00:58:55.199 --> 00:59:04.239 thanks everyone the grocery. Are you concerned the way you try to get them 554 00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.599 to gill In cathel Sismantle is one of the witnesses of the Justice Committee hearing 555 00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:15.320 on Anti semitisim too. I see as I have said, like in my 556 00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:21.880 statement about that peaceful protests are really very important and these students are really concerned 557 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:27.039 about what's happening in Gaza. Now we are seeing that people like Rapha is 558 00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:30.480 not even a safe place, like people were told to leave North to Center 559 00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:36.039 to hand Urness and now in Rapha, so there is no safe place in 560 00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:39.519 Gaza. So they have moved three times already. Will what do you think 561 00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:43.880 that where will they move? There are six hundred thousand kids in Rapha. 562 00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:47.800 People aren't moving, like about one hundred thousand people have got evacuation orders, 563 00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.360 but there is no place for them to go. They are putting up tents 564 00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:58.000 by the shows. Understand you're concerned about that situation. That is that is 565 00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:02.119 what is like, should this person be tested before parliamentary committee if he's involved 566 01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:07.360 for him which is based allegations about anti semitism, we should have been testifying 567 01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:12.239 about anti semitism when there are concerns about some of the rhetoric that has been 568 01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:15.159 said and has been going on at that camp See. The thing is that, 569 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.920 like everyone has a right to protest in a peaceful manner, and based 570 01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:22.440 like who comes out as a witness, I think like that the justice, 571 01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:24.519 like the committee, like the members of that. I leave it up to 572 01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:30.159 them to see who will be the like witnesses. But I think it's important 573 01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:37.039 that peaceful protests should be allowed, and it should be it is against the 574 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:40.119 Charter of Rights and Freedom. And at the same time everyone should feel safe 575 01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:44.159 on the campuses. As a mother, my son has studied at McMaster, 576 01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:47.119 so it is very very important that we make sure that people have a right 577 01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:51.480 to peaceful protests. It's leg See. The thing is that, like there 578 01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:54.840 needs to be a dialogue between what these students are asking and the universities. 579 01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:00.599 So the people need to sit down and I'm a dialogue men. We can 580 01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:05.920 resolve many things on the table. The City of Ottawa has canceled a ceremony 581 01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:09.239 that they've had for many years to market Israeli Independence Day because of security said, 582 01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:13.960 do you think that they should have done that? So we have seen 583 01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:20.679 rise in anti semitism, we have seen rising on famobia. So this is 584 01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:27.480 not what Canadians are I think canceling therapies it has a security friendly way to 585 01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:30.960 make sure that I think it's real. It's really it's really very important that 586 01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:36.360 everyone's right at productive and at the same time we need to make sure that 587 01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:40.000 like we have to do the balance, like everybody's stages and victimized for seeing 588 01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:45.159 what's happening at McGill University. One of the lawyers who was involved in trying 589 01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:51.159 to get the McGill and Canton's dismantled is one of the witnesses that the Justice 590 01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:59.000 Committee hearing on anti semitism. Are you concerned about that? I think it's 591 01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:07.719 protest is a h I think it's a student. This is a part of 592 01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:12.519 our democracy, a freedom of expression and freedom of speed. I think it's 593 01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:20.440 a it's it's a fundamental right of an individual in in our democracy, and 594 01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:28.400 but it has to be within limits. I personally think so I don't know 595 01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:34.960 how they're how they came up with this, so I don't have that many 596 01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:37.760 in depth information on that, but you know, but it turned with the 597 01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:42.719 lawyer who's been involved in this very contentiously. Look, universities have their own 598 01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:45.039 rules and they know how to deal with these things. So I have full 599 01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:50.679 confidence that they will be dealing with it accordingly because we have We had written 600 01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:57.679 letter to twenty seven university president. They responded to that that how they're dealing 601 01:02:57.719 --> 01:03:01.239 with the anti Semitism and is samophob yees, But they have ruler and I 602 01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:06.880 think that's how fully confident they will be dealing with the right way, okay 603 01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:09.719 to these issues. All right, thank you so much, Thank you so 604 01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:15.280 mister Anderson. I understand you want to make some statements on the Hill Times 605 01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:20.800 Eric those three sure. Look, I think the content of those articles, 606 01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:27.079 that particular article is absolutely incorrect. We will pass the time where the pedow 607 01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:30.519 Garment makes decisions. You know only what we have with see fifty three. 608 01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:37.719 It's a collaborative effort between the three making nations. We will continue to have 609 01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:42.440 discussions with them and any decisions on the future. See if your three will 610 01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:45.840 be in collaboration with the making of this time, you're going to be something 611 01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:49.480 that's going to be all the work rate. I did a discussion and that 612 01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:52.119 will lead to a decision that we can all agree on. So just to 613 01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:58.239 clarify that was it was Bill SI fifty three discussed at cabinet yesterday or options. 614 01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:02.639 I can't talk to the cabinet confidentiality as you know, so it's possible 615 01:04:02.679 --> 01:04:06.519 it was. Is there a decision that going to be making on this or 616 01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:12.079 any kind of announcement we can expect from you. We're having discussions. We 617 01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:15.480 will continue to have discussion with the mating nation of Ontario the matination of our 618 01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:23.960 birds on next steps making Saskatchewan have outlined their position on this, so we 619 01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:32.840 will in collaboration with with these two making governments, will be making acre already 620 01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:40.800 built. You know, it's steps if we haven't had a dict on it, 621 01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:51.880 so we will wait further before you before sorry with respect to the House, 622 01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:59.599 still it came back from with some moments. It hasn't been debated further 623 01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:04.199 on third reading. Once we have a decision, we will figure out what 624 01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:08.400 the next step is if it's a debate or if it's someone's off show. 625 01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:11.840 So it's not dead farm. Well, I think I'm answering the question, 626 01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:18.320 thank you. And yeah, we've seen women's organizations call on Canada's major banks 627 01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:27.760 to take action on husband's partners using these transfers to target other spouses, just 628 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:31.800 like the industry did in Australia the United Kingdom. If no action is taken 629 01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:36.000 by the banks, is your government prepared to get involved? David? We 630 01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:40.880 have been involved when it comes to intimate partner violence for some time now. 631 01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:46.360 And what I really want to reiterate here is this problem but so many others 632 01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:50.360 as well. We have a national action planned to end gender based violence and 633 01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:54.480 people say, well, that's just a title, and I say, the 634 01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:59.039 title includes the word end, and we mean it. This is a five 635 01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:02.960 hundred million dollar program. But even forget about the price, Tay, I 636 01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:06.880 want to talk about the difference it's making. This is something that is being 637 01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:13.320 done in collaboration with provinces and territories. We had to work out agreements. 638 01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:17.679 Every province in territory has signed on. Quebec has a different deal. And 639 01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:25.320 basically organizations, grassroots organizations are benefiting from these moneies, the women that you're 640 01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:27.480 talking about. But no, no, no, but I would just say 641 01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:30.960 the women that you're talking about here, there are organizations on the ground that 642 01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:34.760 are supporting because of this money. Provinces as well are able to support because 643 01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:39.920 of this money. But will your government get involved with the Bandstone Act? 644 01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:44.519 This is something that we'll have to look at. Obviously, and I've said 645 01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:47.639 before everything is always on the table, but this is something that we'll look 646 01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:53.480 at. I just really wanted to bring home the point that this is not 647 01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:57.840 just top of mind, but priority for our government when it comes to intimate 648 01:06:57.880 --> 01:07:01.320 partner violence, when it comes to gender based violence, we know that women 649 01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:08.000 across this country have been hurt in so many ways, and those that would 650 01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:11.440 perpetuate this violence find different ways to do it as we're seeing here. So 651 01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:13.920 you say your government will look at it, what does that mean. Are 652 01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:16.360 you're going to be meeting with the banks? Are you going to be monitoring 653 01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:18.880 the situation? Like? What are you going to be looking for? As 654 01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:24.000 I said before, David, this is a cross government approach that we're talking 655 01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:26.599 about. And as you know, you would know the leavers that I have 656 01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:30.639 with regards to being the Minister of Women in Gender Quality and Youth. So 657 01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:34.880 this would mean talking to my colleagues about this and coming together and then making 658 01:07:34.960 --> 01:08:15.440 decisions forthwith. Thank you, thank you so much, thank you. The 659 01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:21.880 show has been produced by Depictions Media. Please contact us at depictions dot media 660 01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:24.119 for more information.