WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:04.360 This is a commercial, free archive edition of our live radio show that airs 2 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:11.519 every Friday at noon, Arizona time on openminds dot TV. Welcome to open 3 00:00:11.560 --> 00:00:17.399 Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO 4 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:22.600 Network. Alejandro has been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for nearly a decade 5 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:27.280 and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close and personal, 6 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:32.960 and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. 7 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:40.079 Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome to Open Minds 8 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:45.399 Radio, where we're bringing the UFO subject into the light of day. This 9 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:51.840 is Alejandro Rojas and we have another cool show today and this is our Phoenix 10 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:58.840 Flight special because tomorrow is the anniversary of the Phoenix Flight. And if you're 11 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:03.000 unaware of what that is is that was a mass sighting that happened in nineteen 12 00:01:03.120 --> 00:01:07.879 ninety seven March thirteenth, where a lot of people out here in Phoenix, 13 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:15.159 Arizona, which happens to be where we're broadcasting from, saw this humongous object, 14 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:21.200 this giant V shaped chevron shaped black object with lights on it. It 15 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:26.159 coasted. There were sightings throughout the state, so an amazing mass sighting. 16 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:30.239 A few weeks ago, we had Francis Barwood on the show. She was 17 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:36.159 a city councilwoman at the time, and she talked about taking reports from hundreds 18 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:40.439 of witnesses. She said she personally talked to over seven hundred witnesses. I 19 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:44.040 thought, wow, that's a lot of people. But from being out here, 20 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:47.760 I'm realizing that there are a ton of people that saw this thing. 21 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:49.200 It's just like, and I should have known better, because you know, 22 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:53.760 when I used to be with this investigation group, we knew that when there 23 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:57.439 was a sighting and one person calls in, there's probably at least five other 24 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:01.359 people that saw it that didn't call. So that being the case with the 25 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:06.560 Phoenix lights, there could have been, you know, seven thousand people who 26 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:10.319 saw this out there. And I wouldn't be surprised because the more people I 27 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:15.400 talked to, the more witnesses I find they say, oh, yeah, 28 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:19.240 I saw that thing, you know back years ago that flew over that was 29 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:23.439 in the news and everything, So it's incredible. One of the witnesses was 30 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:28.879 Mike Fortson. He had this thing he was outside and he saw it with 31 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:31.919 his wife, So we're going to have him on to talk about this in 32 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:37.560 a bit. He's also going to talk about some of the other witnesses that 33 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:40.599 he's talked through that have seen it. Also a special guest, we're going 34 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:46.800 to have doctor Lynn Katai on the show. And she is a doctor who 35 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:52.479 saw the Phoenix sights and recorded them and she was so inspired. She actually 36 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:53.960 kept secret about it for a while, didn't want people to think she was 37 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:59.960 nuts, but she was so inspired about it that she created an excellent DIT 38 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:04.960 documentary that she's going to be showing at the Shay Harkins Theater on the fourteenth, 39 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:07.560 and we're going to have her talking more about that, but talking about 40 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:12.159 all these witnesses we had. You know, I was getting my haircut the 41 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:15.439 other day even and this girl said, oh, UFOs, you know, 42 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:19.400 my dad's really into it, and we all saw those UFOs that went over 43 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:22.280 Phoenix And I asked her what she meant, and she was talking to Phoenix 44 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:24.639 light. She said she was watching it calling all of her friends. Her 45 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:30.400 friends were going outside. They were all excited and freaking out over seeing this 46 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:34.560 thing over the city. So they were amazed. And there are two Open 47 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:40.120 Minds employees who are from the area who saw it also, including our news 48 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:46.479 correspondent Jason McClellan. And before we get into the news, I want Jason 49 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:51.400 to share his siding with us. Jason, I'd be happy to share with 50 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:55.919 you a brief recap over at what I remember. It's interesting because you know, 51 00:03:55.960 --> 00:04:00.879 this was thirteen years ago, but I still we'll have a really clear 52 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:06.680 memory of that night and what happened. You know, I grew up in 53 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:12.520 the middle of the desert. Nothing was around for Miles, and so we 54 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:15.920 always not always, but you know, regularly we just stayed outside or sat 55 00:04:15.959 --> 00:04:19.439 on the roof of the house and just watched the night sky because the stars 56 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:24.839 were incredible. You could see everything for Miles. And I remember on that 57 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:28.959 night seeing the lights up in the sky. And when I saw the lights, 58 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:33.480 they weren't necessarily in a delta pattern or a triangle or a boomerang shape. 59 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:38.800 It was more like a I guess, like a Sideway's frownie face. 60 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:44.000 But they were just white lights, many of them. And I can't remember 61 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:46.199 how many I saw at the time. I mean, they were at least 62 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:49.560 six, but they were very bright, very visible, and they just stayed 63 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:53.680 there. They didn't move at all. They were just there in the sky. 64 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:57.319 And during this time, you lived by Luke Air Force Base, so 65 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.000 you knew what eight hens look like and how they sound. Absolutely, they 66 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:04.439 were always flying eight tens and other military craft were always flying right over our 67 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:11.439 house from Luke Air Force Base going out to the Barium Goldwater Range where they 68 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:15.279 drop bombs and shoot guns and do target practice out there. So they were 69 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:19.199 always low altitude planes right over our house. So we saw military plans all 70 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:24.040 the time. So this but this wasn't military, not at all. And 71 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:28.279 you know, one of the common statements about the Phoenix flights explanations for the 72 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:31.560 Phoenix flights is they were flares. And also growing up where I did, 73 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:35.720 I frequently saw the atens dropping their flares, so I knew what the flares 74 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:40.199 looked like. And this was completely different. Wow, that's amazing. So 75 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:44.560 what we're gonna do is talk about the Phoenix fights a little more. But 76 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.240 since we've got you here, Jason, why don't we get right into the 77 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:51.600 UFO news headlines of the week. That sounds good, Hello Phoenix and hello 78 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:56.920 world. Let's review the news from the week. A date has been said 79 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:02.399 for judicial review at the High Court in London or UK hacker Gary McKinnon on 80 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:06.240 May fifth and twenty sixth. The court will review the government's decision to allow 81 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:11.079 McKinnon's extradition to the US, where he is wanted on charges of hacking into 82 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:15.360 military and NASA computers. Prosecutors claim mckennon's actions caused eight hundred thousand dollars worth 83 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:19.800 of damage. McKinnon denies causing any damage, however, and insists he only 84 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:25.600 access files in his search for evidence of UFO cover ups. McKinnon suffers from 85 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:29.519 Asperger syndrome, and his legal team is using that as an argument against his 86 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:33.240 extradition to the US. His mother worries that her son would commit suicide if 87 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:36.279 he's put on a plane to the US. Yeah, kind of bittersweet for 88 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:41.639 UFO research, because nobody wants to see this guy. I mean, I 89 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:44.399 think, you know, leave him where he is. You know why extra 90 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:47.839 died him. It's not like he was, you know, looking to share 91 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:51.680 secrets with enemies. He's looking for UFO stuff. But if they do bring 92 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:56.079 him here, which it does seem like they will, there'll probably be a 93 00:06:56.160 --> 00:07:00.199 whole lot of news on what he discovered. Why is into UFOs and we'll 94 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:04.959 have another reason for UFOs to be in the mass media again. And this 95 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:08.319 case has been in the news a lot, you know, it's been dragging 96 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:13.279 on for a while now. It'll be interesting to see what happens in US 97 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:16.800 news. Cleveland, Ohio's Fox Channel eight reported earlier this week on a series 98 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:23.360 of UFO sightings in Euclid, Ohio. Eugene Erlik, a local residents, 99 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:27.439 spotted and photographed lights in the sky outside his house over a span of six 100 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:31.519 nights. He described the lights as pulsating and changing colors from red to yellow, 101 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:35.800 to green to blue. Others witnessed the UFO as well, but the 102 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:41.959 object or objects remain a mystery. Yeah, interesting, night after night after 103 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:45.279 night. If you're living in Ohio, you know, go to our site, 104 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:48.439 open mind to that TV, let us know if you're seeing these things. 105 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:53.519 And the UFO and Euclid, Ohio wasn't the only mysterious objects observed this 106 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:58.920 week. There are regularly multiple sightings all over the country, but just a 107 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:05.480 couple of the ones reported by major media this week. We're sightings reported in 108 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:11.959 New Cumberland, Pennsylvania, Eureka, California, Manasseee, Michigan, and NBC 109 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:16.000 New York reported even more sightings in Brooklyn. It seems like the past several 110 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:20.279 weeks there have been lots and lots of sidings in Brooklyn. And just like 111 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:24.720 with the Phoenix sites, what's amazing is for everybody that reports something, there's 112 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:30.399 a lot of people that aren't reporting. Yeah, so report, that's right. 113 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:33.240 You know, we have our website and there are other websites out there 114 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.000 for reporting. And there are a lot of sightings every single day all around 115 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:41.559 the country and the world. Some strange stuff going on out there. That 116 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:46.039 is all from the news today. I am Jason McClellan, your Open Minds 117 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.480 News correspondent. Back to you, Alejandro. All right, thanks Jason. 118 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:52.120 Remember you can read all of this news at open Minds dot tv on our 119 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:56.960 front page. And also Jason did write about his experience, and he did 120 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:03.480 write some more about Francis bar Would and five Simington related to the Phoenix sights 121 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:07.159 because the governor at the time made fun of the whole thing and then eventually 122 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:09.840 came out and said, you know what, I saw it, and I 123 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:15.039 was an Air Force pilot and those things are not from this planet. That 124 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:20.639 was an extraterrestrial craft. So that's what Governor five Simington is saying. Lynn 125 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:26.279 Ketias added that to her new revised documentary that she will be showing us in 126 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:30.840 a couple of days. So we'll be talking more about her documentary and more 127 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:52.159 about the Phoenix Sights when we get back. You're listening to Open Minds Radio 128 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:58.159 with Alejandra Rojas on KFNX News Talk Radio eleven hundred. All right, welcome 129 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:01.919 back. This is Open Mine's Radio and you are listening to your host, 130 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:07.480 Alejandro Rujas. And if you want to call in a little later, remember 131 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:11.960 you can call in at one eight sixty six five three six eleven hundred. 132 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:15.919 That is the for anybody out there, and then if you're in the Phoenix 133 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:20.840 metro area you can call six oh two two seven seven five three six nine. 134 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:22.600 So if you're dying to give us a call, you know, please 135 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.759 do so and ask some questions. Now, Mike, if you're out there, 136 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:31.159 give us a call too. We haven't heard from mister Fortson yet, 137 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:37.480 but luckily we have doctor Linkadai on the phone. Hello, Lynn, Hi, 138 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.360 how are you? Thanks for having me on and letting people know about 139 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:45.320 our wonderful thirteenth anniversary. I can't believe it's thirteen years already, right, 140 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.960 you know. And it's great to have you on because I knew five minutes 141 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:52.960 was probably going to be really difficult to get you in and talk about everything 142 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.559 you wanted to talk about. So it's great maybe if you could share your 143 00:10:56.679 --> 00:11:03.360 sighting and how that that had started. Actually, sighting for both myself and 144 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:07.480 my husband, who had no interest or knowledge in this topic at all, 145 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.720 started for us two years prior to the mass sighting, and they were very 146 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:16.240 close about a block away city block away, a little below us because we're 147 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:20.759 high in the mountains in Paradise Valley, and I happened to get pictures of 148 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:26.279 them. Didn't have any idea why this advanced technology would be hovering above a 149 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:33.320 private, gated mountainside residence, but nonetheless I did get pictures and looked to 150 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:37.000 the sky. We have a panoramic view of the city skyline, and we 151 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:41.320 know what plans look like in helicopters and street lights and so forth. Jess 152 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:45.679 Jason was saying he was near Loops, so he's very samiliar with with flares, 153 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:48.399 and we were two. But anyway, these were orbs. These were 154 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:52.639 rock solid information. They were orbs. The light did not extend outside the 155 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:56.519 edge. I always go back to this ninety five sighting for many reasons. 156 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:01.639 But you know when you see something up close personal like that, and it's 157 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:09.000 so incredibly extraordinary, I mean just awesome and unusual and unearthly, as the 158 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:16.240 former governor would Symington would also in part, it stays with you forever. 159 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:22.559 And I really took a mental note of these objects or phenomena. They were 160 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:26.679 about three to six feet each. They were oval shape actually, and you 161 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:31.559 have pictures on your website. I do lights dot Nat. Thank you for 162 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:33.080 mentioning that if somebody wants to get on the on the site. I've had 163 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:37.200 them up there since two thousand and four. But there's a and that was 164 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:41.879 one of the reasons I had to come forward, Alexandra, because I continued 165 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:50.159 to photograph these unexplained global phenomena up until including the mass sighting that when I 166 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:54.039 got the three points of light over the city and by the way, where 167 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:58.080 we're doing, there's some new information that's going to be coming out shortly. 168 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:03.720 I won't evolve it yet till it's all together, but that is around hennega, 169 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:09.600 is that in your documentary the new information? Yes, well not yet, 170 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.480 not yet, okay, not that we have new information accidentally, new 171 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:18.120 sightings and new uh interviews and so forth, and new data. And we're 172 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.960 also on Sunday. Uh. Not only were we presenting the documentary, but 173 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.519 we all have a Q and A and a book printing. My new book 174 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:28.759 just came out. A lot has happened since I came forward right and forth. 175 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:33.200 Well, you said that you had when you saw these things, you 176 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.919 thought they were in advanced technology. What made you believe that? Because it 177 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.000 was so incredibly unusual. I mean, here were orbs hovering above a private 178 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:45.879 desert, I mean dangerous terrain underneath. There was no one creating them. 179 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:48.200 Uh, they were just there, and they were in a pyramid formation. 180 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:52.440 We're on top and too closely aligned underneath. And as I tried to take 181 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:58.399 everything in mentally, that that mental moment that we have what maybe even once 182 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:01.480 in a lifetime, I really wanted to note everything. The color within each 183 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:05.039 orb was very different than anything I'd ever seen. It was an amber color 184 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:09.159 uniform throughout, and it didn't glare at all. It was very mesmerizing, 185 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:15.360 very soothing. Every other light out there glared and as I'm watching these things 186 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:18.799 just hovering there and you could see there were three distinct objects. It was 187 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:20.120 just absurd. I said, if I don't get a picture of this, 188 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:24.159 nobody's gonna believe it. And I ran to the closet to grab it. 189 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:26.519 One of my my husband calls me back. He says, one of them 190 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:31.000 is disappearing. It over here quick, and this is this is really what 191 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:39.639 actually changed my life because we stood there and watched the top orb without budging. 192 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:41.360 And the only thing that I can you know, at the time when 193 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:46.440 this was happening, it was fading very very slowly from view, and I 194 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:50.720 was just trying to gather all my thoughts what could this possibly be? And 195 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:54.320 you know, the only movies we had ever seen, because neither of us 196 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:58.080 was interested. We knew nothing about this topic was et and close encounters. 197 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:03.279 And our children now they's grown men. But at the time periodicity, we 198 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:07.080 would watch Star Trek because of the wonderful messages and you know, the romulin 199 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:11.720 cloaking device when it comes to savers before a close kind of like that movie 200 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:16.200 Predator. It kind of looked like the heat kind of mirage type of effect. 201 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:18.399 Yeah, but it kind of wavered. If you ever see that again, 202 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:22.320 you'll see what I mean. But I really noted that it didn't move, 203 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:26.440 it didn't budge, but it seemed like it was cloaking. It seemed 204 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:30.840 that after it disappeared, it was still there even though we didn't see it 205 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:33.960 anymore. Now, these three separate lights, you felt that they were three 206 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.720 separate objects and not together on one right. That's that's how it felt. 207 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:41.240 I mean, I can't say for sure, but that's how certainly the pictures 208 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:46.399 would indicate that. Anyway, I got onto the balcony, shot a quick 209 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:50.200 picture of the two bottom orbs, which is posted on the website the Phoenix 210 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:54.720 Lights dot net, and immediately noticed in eerie silence, as if the time 211 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:58.120 had stopped. It was just bizarre, and I have to say a hundro. 212 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:02.879 I did not share with anyone until after the mass sighting, when I 213 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:04.720 first met with Jim Delatoso. He was the first person that I shared this 214 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:10.840 with. As I was looking at these two bottom orbs, it actually felt 215 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:14.799 that an intelligent presence was watching me and I wow, in my mind was 216 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:15.799 who are you? What are you? Do you know that I'm here? 217 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:18.559 I'd love to meet you. And the next thing, I remember, the 218 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:22.200 left bottom orb disappeared and I quickly shot a picture of that. That was 219 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:26.200 the only picture that turned out at the time. But for me, it 220 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:30.360 was so confirmatory that we saw something unusual. It really happened. I happened 221 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:33.840 to catch a picture with one half disappeared as it was happening. But you 222 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:37.480 want to know something was really poignant when we went back a year after the 223 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:41.159 mass sighting, and sure we study these pictures, Well, there's a lot 224 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:44.759 more to the story. With me, I don't think we have time to 225 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:48.320 get into. And I'm sharing that for the first time in the book concerning 226 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:55.840 some really I mean talk about bizarre findings that doctor Bruce mcabee discovered when he 227 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:59.600 looked at my pictures. But what's really amazing if you look at the pictures 228 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:03.119 on the web, so you can see right there the same line formation of 229 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:10.119 lights of orbs in the distance that I would capture in the same location two 230 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:12.839 months before the mass sighting, when I caught six pictures of the phenomena head 231 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:18.000 on turning into a V shape, confirmed the next morning by air traffic controllers 232 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:21.480 at Sky Harbor International airport. What I called around because it was so unnerving 233 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:25.599 and huge. So you called the airport after your sighting prior to the one 234 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:27.680 that happened at the ninety five sighting, I didn't even know who showed the 235 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:30.960 picture too. Well, this was in ninety seven, however, prior from 236 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:34.039 the big mass sighting, right two months before the mass siding. And what 237 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:38.240 did the airport tell you? Actually, they they were amazed that I saw 238 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:44.079 them in the distance. They were very alarmed because these things happened to show 239 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:47.720 up and class the airspace. There's a thirty mile radius around the center of 240 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:52.720 the airport where any aircraft, any aircraft, anybody in that area has to 241 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:56.000 call into the tower. Nobody called in, so they looked at the at 242 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:57.839 the radar. Did not show up on the radar. They took their high 243 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:03.160 powered binoculars to look and in their own words, they described them as six 244 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:07.440 points of light that were totally equidistant from each other, massive span over a 245 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:12.799 mile wide that actually started to turn. So my pictures indicate we saw the 246 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:15.599 same thing at the same time, because I got this thing head on turning 247 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:18.440 into a video. Well, that's pretty incredible that they would admit that to 248 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:22.200 you because they were excited. Yeah, typically everybody, you know, they 249 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:26.039 shut down, they don't talk about it. I mean I got them like 250 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:29.319 the next morning and they were buzzing about it, let me tell you. 251 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:33.400 But anyway, the and they did, they did stop talking after a while. 252 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:36.440 So how did it build? Then? When the mass sighting happened in 253 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:41.680 March? Did it feel validating for you? Because finally everybody seeing what you've 254 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:45.440 been videotaping and taking pictures of ullly Ale Handra. I have to tell you 255 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:48.319 once you know that night for me, it was like an ordinary night. 256 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:53.839 I saw about eight twenty I saw one loan light far west or in the 257 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:57.160 west. And at that time, by the way, is when the call 258 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:03.359 came in from the retired operator from a police officer from Paulson, Arizona. 259 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:07.079 So that computes. Plus, there was a recording, a recording from the 260 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:11.599 UFO Reporting Center that a crewman and we have that both in the book and 261 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:17.000 the recording itself in the documentary. A crewman from the Air Force Space called 262 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:22.400 the UFO Reporting Center, Peter Davenport A reported in great detail that actually the 263 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:25.839 object, or one of the objects, because there were many things that were 264 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:27.319 happening that night. By the way, that we also have on our website 265 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:32.000 the GAP program to show everybody the multiple crafts that were throughout the state. 266 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:37.359 But anyway, this crewman said that there was one of these mile wise objects 267 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:41.680 hovering right over Seventh Avenue, and Indian School military jets were set out after 268 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:45.839 it to whether intercept or get Guncimera film and we have witnesses that saw this, 269 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:52.000 actually saw the jets with the after burners on. As they got close, 270 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.559 the object blinked out, and the crewman actually said that he was one 271 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:59.920 of the people to carry one of the populots out of his own craft because 272 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:02.759 I was so shaken off by it. So there were a lot of things 273 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:06.920 happening. So that was eight twenty so I did see an orb like I 274 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:11.119 had been seeing, and in my pictures they're consistent. It's an unbelievable they're 275 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:15.519 consistently showing up where a South Mountain and the Austraya Mountain range entered. And 276 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:21.759 about an hour later, on March thirteenth, I see one lone light a 277 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:26.440 little after nine o'clock. Now it's far south now that compused because that's when 278 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:30.720 people were reporting that they were seeing these objects down in near Tucson, and 279 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:36.039 about ten o'clock, all of a sudden, the same formation in the same 280 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:40.319 location that I caught in ninety five with the closed sighting, and two months 281 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:44.559 before the mass sighting popped up again and I ran outside, and so in 282 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:48.079 other words, this thing's been around for a while. I ran outside and 283 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:51.079 I happened to catch the sweet points of light, like the end points of 284 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:53.759 a giant v or a triangle. And for me it was like another night. 285 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:56.839 But this is how close I was. I have to tell you all, 286 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:00.720 Hydra. The week before I had started showing the video, which doesn't 287 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:04.079 do it justice. Okay, the video does not do it right. It's 288 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:08.720 hard to capture that stuff. Yeah, they're smaller, they flicker, they're 289 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:11.519 white in the in the video, although some people did see white and some 290 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:15.359 people did see amber. Well, let's talk about that in a minute. 291 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:18.559 We do have to go to break, so we'll talk about this seting. 292 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:22.440 We'll also talk more about your documentary What inspired You? And it really is 293 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:29.480 the best documentary that captures what happened on March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, 294 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:32.599 So you're gonna have to come check it. Out with us at the heart 295 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:36.359 and see if possible. So stay tuned. You're listening to Open Minds Radio 296 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:53.559 with KMF and X. This is Open Minds Radio here again your host UFO 297 00:21:53.680 --> 00:22:00.920 paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Welcome back. We are here with doctor 298 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:04.599 Linktai talking about the Phoenix Lights. Remember, you can go to Openminds dot 299 00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:11.359 tv to get more information on all of what we're talking about here. You 300 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:15.440 can also go to the radio tab, remember, and watch us live on 301 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:19.160 our video stream. So actually there's a couple second delay, but we're pretty 302 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:22.680 live there on the video stream. That's a lot of fun. There's also 303 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:26.480 a chat there where you can talk to us and ask some questions, so 304 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:32.119 that's a lot of fun. And we also inform you to all the links 305 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:37.599 and everything we talk about, such as doctor linkti'slink on the Phoenix Lights dot 306 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:41.680 net where she's got more information about what she saw in her documentary and her 307 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:45.759 book which we are now speaking about. So, Linda, you were talking 308 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:52.720 about before we went to break the March thirteenth siding and at about ten pm, 309 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:55.480 you had seen kind of what looked like the tip of a craft, 310 00:22:55.799 --> 00:23:00.160 right like the three lights, the three n lights of a giant Z the 311 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:03.799 information and and I have to urge people if they're if they're interested, to 312 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:10.000 take a look at the website because there is such a plethora of information that 313 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:15.079 we've posted on there as all free and that you can really delve into, 314 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:19.279 not only the GAP program, which is Geospatial Animation Project twelve years of compilation 315 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:26.039 from the UFO Reporting Center reports as well as Village Labs, Michael Tanners, 316 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:32.839 Bill Hamilton, UH, the former councilwoman Francis Barwood reports, as well as 317 00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:37.559 Arizona Move On. Really a team effort. Larry Low took the reports and 318 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:41.480 actually now with the technology that we have with Google Earth and so forth, 319 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:48.880 he has formulated a number of uh the different crafts that people saw. Now, 320 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:53.000 whether it was one craft that could morph into uh looking like different crafts, 321 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:57.759 or it was a different craft, the parade of different craft or the 322 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:03.640 perspective from in the person's angle, we may never know. But nonetheless there 323 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:07.599 there is about eight or nine different kinds of depictions that people can take a 324 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:12.000 peek out that were reported statewide. But at any rate, there's a lot 325 00:24:12.079 --> 00:24:15.519 more on the website as well as the photo page, and and again one 326 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:21.039 of the interesting things about that which we can get to remind me is the 327 00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:25.440 fact of where the lights are in the distance that I've always documented, there 328 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:30.920 are in between, uh where South Mountain and the Austraya Mountains intersect. And 329 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:33.319 I as well tell you that if you'd like, which is which is kind 330 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:37.960 of an interesting anecdote. I have come not to believe in coincidence. I 331 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:42.519 have to tell you. For thirty years I've been doing community education on health 332 00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:47.279 issues and have a company that produces video workbook curriculums on vital health issues. 333 00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:49.559 That's why I felt compelled to do the same for for this vital issue. 334 00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:56.440 But nonetheless, and were referring to Pardoney, how you were referring to some 335 00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:59.440 sorry, quintin intant happened? Oh yeah, this is this is a coincident. 336 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:03.319 About six before the mass sighting, I was invited to present myselfstance abuse 337 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:07.559 prevention education program at their one school at the Heel of Bend Indian Reservation, 338 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:11.519 which is sacred ground in the basin in between South Mountain and the Estraya Mountain 339 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:15.480 range. And that's where these phenomena seem to be popping up. If you 340 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:19.279 just look at my pictures, the data speaks for itself. And I gave 341 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:23.400 them a call after the mass sighting because we got a little friendly and they 342 00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:26.680 were open to share with me. And I said, you know what, 343 00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:33.119 these lights seemed to be showing up near where the reservation is. Did anybody 344 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:36.960 happen to see strange lights on March thirteenth? And they started to laugh, 345 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:38.640 and I said, is that funny? And they said, are you kidding? 346 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:41.319 We've been looking up at them for centuries. We call them sky people 347 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.200 really wow, part of their culture. I had no idea. And it's 348 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:51.720 not only the heel of the Indian Reservation that has seen these things for centuries. 349 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:55.079 And they called the estrays gateway to the stars, astray and being the 350 00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:59.160 stars by us, right mm hmm. But that's amazing, because you know, 351 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:03.160 I've worked with a lot of different Native American groups and you know they 352 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:07.920 are very often open to this subject. They you know, they've been watching 353 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:11.880 these things for a long time. Skie people. They refer to them as 354 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:17.599 star people exactly. And they called them in they actually I just learned that 355 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:23.200 Opie have shared with some people that they had protocols to invite these phenomenons. 356 00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:27.160 They many of them believed their spirital world that they're coming to give them guidance 357 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:32.200 and comfort and inspire them. I mean, we really should learn some lessons 358 00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:34.880 from from the from the native culture, right well, speaking of inspiration, 359 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:40.920 Uh, you know the documentary. So you had your sightings over a period 360 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:42.839 of time, you were kind of you didn't want to get into there and 361 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:47.279 go public with it for a while. Then all of a sudden you decide 362 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:49.799 to create a documentary. How did you get there? Well, it didn't 363 00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:56.799 happen by actually one thousands of people had seen what I had been seeing. 364 00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:02.200 That really took me back. And it was until and this is another coincidence. 365 00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:03.759 I was starting to mention before the break that I mean, this is 366 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:07.799 how close I was a andro Once I started showing the video. Even though 367 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.799 they're white and they flicker and they don't look like the real deal, which 368 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:18.039 are giant balls of spinning energy, the in formations themselves are very compelling. 369 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.519 So I started to show them to my friends, and here is how close 370 00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:23.799 I was to the topic. A friend of a friend had a neighbor who 371 00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:27.680 had a friend who knew the past president of Moufon, so I called him 372 00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:30.759 up. I told him I had you know I was seeing these orbs. 373 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.920 Now he had not heard about it, but there were people that not only 374 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:40.960 witnessed them days before like I was doing, but also it took video of 375 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:42.960 them. And the video is quite striking. I mean you can see these 376 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:48.400 are balls of spinning energy. At any rate, he hooks me up with 377 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.720 a field investigator from Mofon for the following Wednesday. He cancels who or postpones 378 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.839 because the then state director wanted to be at our meeting and his mom had 379 00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:03.559 passed Saturday, and the only window of opportunity I had for the next two 380 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.319 three weeks was Friday morning at ten o'clock. Fine, he says, well, 381 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:11.240 I come walking with video in hand from the night before, which I 382 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:15.720 had no idea other people had seen it too. And the first thing he 383 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.440 says to me is that you see the mass sighting last night? And I 384 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:21.200 said, well, I saw something very similar in the same location. In 385 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:25.960 fact, I had already communicated with the air traffic controllers again and they verified 386 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:27.279 they saw the same thing at the same time. Again, it was in 387 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:32.079 Class B airspace, same phenomena. And he said no, no, no, 388 00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:34.680 hundreds, if not thousands of people saw this mile to two mile wide 389 00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:40.640 formation of lights or crafts and totally silent and very low altitude. And some 390 00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:42.039 people did see a take off at a tremendous speed, by the way, 391 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:47.839 and others actually saw the orbs detached from the main object to go out into 392 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:51.960 the environment and then redock with it. Maybe that's happened to us in ninety 393 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:55.480 five, but at any rate, that blew me away. And I said, 394 00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:57.400 WHOA. I said, he was telling me that NBC was going to 395 00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:00.400 be there in a few minutes to interview him, and I had done health 396 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.799 reporting in their early eighties for NBC and they might recognize me. Plus the 397 00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.079 fact, I said, you know what, this is not about me. 398 00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:08.680 This is about the data, and as an educator, I would love people 399 00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:12.279 to see what we saw. So I gave him a copy of the video. 400 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:17.279 I said, share it with whoever you please, and by that the 401 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:21.319 first news at four point thirty the next that afternoon, actually the day after 402 00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:25.839 the mass sighting, my video was plaster through on every news. It was 403 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:29.200 really exciting, to tell you, yeah, because now people not only was 404 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.319 I finding out that thousands of people saw what I had seen. But now 405 00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:36.160 people were getting a chance elsewhere to see what was video here, and by 406 00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:38.799 the evening news a couple of other videos turned out and if you looked at 407 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:45.240 at Tom King's arrowhead video, it is striking. I mean those lights are 408 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:49.319 either attached to something or there's a field in between. As the air traffic 409 00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:53.960 controllers would would say, the data speaks for itself. And then of course 410 00:29:55.000 --> 00:30:00.079 my Kristen boomerang shaped footage came later, and there was another footage as well, 411 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:07.559 Chuck Reardon's footage that it's a little iffy. It looks like a boomerang, 412 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.039 but it's a little haphazard, so we're not sure about that one. 413 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:12.920 But at any rate, the bottom line is that other people, a handful 414 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:15.960 of people did get video, and then we were a lot of other people 415 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.000 by the way. For people to say, well, why didn't people get 416 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:22.720 pictures, Well, in those days we really didn't have the cell phones with 417 00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:26.680 kind of yeah cell phone video that people can dude, right, And people 418 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:32.920 did try to take pictures of this mile wide object and it was so dark 419 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:37.240 and blocked out. Yeah, taking pictures of lights in the sky and behind 420 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:41.279 the stars is very difficult, we turn out, so so we were very 421 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:44.799 fortunate that at least we did get something from that. And then you know, 422 00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:48.039 a week later, I see my video on TV. They're interviewing a 423 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:53.359 gentleman who is right out in Tempe. I had no idea, Jim Delatoso, 424 00:30:53.720 --> 00:31:00.599 who not only was working with Village Labs, which was a computer lab, 425 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.640 but also right so he was able to do some analysis. We had 426 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:06.559 him on the show and talked a bit about his analysis, which is really 427 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:10.720 interesting. Absolutely absolutely, but he was He also does, like you said, 428 00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:14.559 analysis for UFO, citing from around the world. This is the first 429 00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:18.480 I heard of it, so I know he did some analysis on the flare 430 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:21.960 theory and I want to ask you about that. After the break, we'll 431 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:25.200 talk about these flares and then we're going to have to move on to some 432 00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:29.480 other things, but we'll be right back. We're talking to doctor link Katayan 433 00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:41.160 Open Minds Radio on Campinet. Welcome back to open Minds Radio here now former 434 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.920 official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network, your host of Open Minds Radio, 435 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:52.680 Alejandro Rojas, former spokesperson to move on but doing much cooler stuff now it's 436 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:57.160 Openminds dot TV. So it's a lot of fun, like getting to move 437 00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:02.839 out here to Phoenix and be part of this whole experience. And it's amazing 438 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:06.960 to hear of all these witnesses like you talked about others going oh yeah, 439 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:09.359 we see that all the time. But I wanted to ask you real quick. 440 00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:15.400 We're out of time here. But there is controversy. Some people said 441 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:19.039 that there were flares dropped later in the night on March thirteenth, but I 442 00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.960 know Jim's work showed that they weren't flares. Where do you fit on that? 443 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:28.440 Actually, you know, it's really interesting. I have no doubt because 444 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:31.640 we know they just were sent off to intercept this thing earlier that night at 445 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:36.519 eight twenty that the military was well aware that things were going on, and 446 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:39.880 you know, if they were sending off flares to the verk, people's attention 447 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:45.559 away, that is very reasonable. But that's not what we saw. Okay, 448 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:46.759 that's right. I can say that is not what we saw. And 449 00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:51.119 I have to say, did you know that there was a sighting one month 450 00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:55.319 before mass sighting one month before hours in Saint Petersburg, Russia on February nineteenth, 451 00:32:55.400 --> 00:33:00.920 nineteen ninety seven, and a couple of people got video and actually one 452 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:06.640 of the crafts that Larry Lowe illustrated in our Gap Program Geospatial Animation project on 453 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:10.000 our website, the Phoenix Sights dot net is identical to the round that somebody 454 00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:15.720 got and we're actually using that craft on our new documentary that's coming out new 455 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:23.279 version. The Vanguard International Cinema is releasing The Phoenix Lights Beyond Top Secret on 456 00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:28.279 March thirtieth, and we're using that craft actually on the front cover. But 457 00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:30.960 any rate, you know, when they did not come out with the flair 458 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:37.680 theory until five months after the mass sighting, there was no investigation, no 459 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:42.079 explanation at all, and it was very bizarre that, you know, we 460 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.839 act a lot of THEFO researchers who even you know, they believe this was 461 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:52.720 a mass sighting of something strange to refer to those refer to flares and a 462 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:58.680 well, actually not until a USA Today article came out on June eighteenth and 463 00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.240 opened our sighting up the internet national scrutiny. And yes, people refer to 464 00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:06.319 flares all the time. Flares can cannot keep reformation. I mean, let's 465 00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:09.239 be real, Let's look at the data they drift and drop with the wind. 466 00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:13.960 They have huge smoke trails that are illuminated by the flare itself. That's 467 00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:17.320 what they're meant to do. They're military illumination flares and they're supposed to illuminate 468 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:22.039 the area around it. Not one person reported Yeah, and Jim's should work 469 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.000 also because Jim, you know, looked at that video and it doesn't show 470 00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:30.960 as the smoke trails. Now, really quick, sure, let's talk about 471 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:36.239 your event that you're showing of your documentary this weekend. Okay, appreciate that. 472 00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:37.840 But there's a lot more to this story, especially with the Flair thing, 473 00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:42.800 because it wasn't until a month after the USA Today eraical came out that 474 00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:46.360 suddenly they hadn't looked at the log for visiting their National Guard for five months, 475 00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:50.760 and that was the explanation of what some people might have seen. And 476 00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:52.559 there's a lot more to the story. I hope people read it in the 477 00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:58.880 book and come to the documentary on Sunday as well, because again, there 478 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:02.199 is much more to the story. What time in I've been a wonderful thirteenth 479 00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:07.880 anniversary celebration on Sunday at the Hark and Shay fourteenth Theater at Scottsdale and shay 480 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:12.199 Rhads. We have a one o'clock show and at four o'clock show. We're 481 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.119 also going to have a Q and A after the performance or anybody that wants 482 00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:22.960 to stay as well as we're introducing a special mystery guest this year, who 483 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:29.199 I know the audience will really appreciate. So much has happened since the Mass 484 00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:35.039 of Slighting, and this is one more confirmation that whatever happened here and whoever 485 00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:38.239 did this really touched lives very deeply here, all right, and I know 486 00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:42.800 this is all in your documentary, So I'm excited. We'll have open minds 487 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.679 people there too, both of the viewings. If you want to come meet 488 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:49.920 me. I'm going to go to the one o'clock show. Really excited about 489 00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.760 that. So thank you for being on the show. It was great to 490 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:57.039 have you and have you on for longer so we could get into more detail. 491 00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:00.800 Obviously there's a lot more to talk about. Bige can go to the 492 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:04.400 Phoenixlikes dot net to read more. So thanks for being on the show. 493 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:06.960 Oh, thank you so much. And I urge people to get their tickets 494 00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:08.679 early because it's usually it's been sold out the last four years and I want 495 00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:13.599 to make sure people get in because it's an amazing experience for everyone, I 496 00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:15.559 promise. Okay, great, thank you, thank you, bye bye yea 497 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:21.000 bye. All right. We also have another caller for another event that's going 498 00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:24.199 on in the Phoenix metro area, Virginia. Are you on the line. 499 00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:28.920 Yes, I am Alex. Hi. Hello, good. How are you 500 00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:34.760 doing well? So why don't you share the event that you all are hosting 501 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:38.880 here? Soon? On April tenth, we are having an event called Embracing 502 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:45.599 Contact, the Phoenix Rising Conference, and it's an event that is about no 503 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:52.639 more convincing regarding extraterrestrials. Extraterrestrials are here, they walk among us, they 504 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:54.760 play with us, they talk to us, they walk with us, and 505 00:36:55.039 --> 00:37:01.480 we just want to have a conference where our speakers will have this open and 506 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:09.079 free dialogue regarding no convincing. And the conference is also about reconnecting with our 507 00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:15.360 extraterrestrial origins. So essentially, yeah, you guys are beyond talking about sightings. 508 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:19.920 You believe you know that, yes, okay, you know that there 509 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:23.559 are UFOs and they're being driven by extra treasturial So what about these extra treastrills? 510 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:28.559 You want to learn more about them and talk specifically on that subject. 511 00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:34.159 Well right, well, actually every speaker there is an experiencer. You know. 512 00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:39.039 Mike Fordson March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven walked out at eight point thirty 513 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:45.079 and saw the massive mile and a half long ship right went right in front 514 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:51.000 of him and his wife's He's had many more encounters since. And then we 515 00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:57.119 have doctor Rebecca Hardcastle, who is an experiencer again, who's also coined the 516 00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:02.320 phrase exo consciousness, which is basically an expert look at the extraterrestrial origins, 517 00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:07.079 dimensions, and abilities of the human consciousness. It's an interconnection. We're connected 518 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:15.760 to the stars. Barbara Lamb, she is the regression therapist crop Circle researcher 519 00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:22.400 and has written a book called Alien Experiences, and she documents her clients' stories 520 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:30.719 the messages that they have gotten through the regression sessions through different extraterrestrial races. 521 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:37.199 And then we have Philip Krafts, the LA Times editor, retired atheists, 522 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:43.760 didn't believe in any of this, and was invited on a spacecraft by a 523 00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:49.000 group of extraterrestrial race or extraterrestrial race called the Verdants. Now you know the 524 00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:53.079 last time Philip was on their craft with September eleventh, two thousand and one. 525 00:38:53.679 --> 00:39:00.199 Interesting. Yes, very interesting. And they've given messages to Philip up 526 00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:07.000 regarding meetings in the Southwest, so they they're getting us ready. Yeah, 527 00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:12.960 it sounds like a really interesting conference. Now where can people go to find 528 00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.920 out more about it and to register? Oh, they can go to the 529 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:23.599 website www. Rising as one dot com right dot com. Right, And 530 00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:30.400 it's April tenth, April tenth, from nine to six at the Scottdale Cottonwoods 531 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:35.840 Resource Perfect. Well, thank you very much, thanks for coming on Rising 532 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.360 is One. It sounds like a really interesting conference. So and I know 533 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:43.480 we're going to come there and have a table to say hi to people and 534 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:47.199 help support the effort as well. So good job on getting this together. 535 00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:51.440 Oh, thank you, And we're excited. We're excited for everybody to be 536 00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.280 a part of this. It's exciting too because there's a lot going on in 537 00:39:54.320 --> 00:40:00.519 Phoenix, so it's really cool to have so much in this area. We 538 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:06.360 had a lot going on in Colorado, but not what is probably the biggest 539 00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:12.599 mass UFO siding in US history, where I'm just getting to know that what 540 00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:16.639 I knew about the Phoenix Lights. Before only was the tip of the iceberg 541 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:22.400 regarding all of the witnesses. So it's really an incredible thing. It's great 542 00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:27.119 to talk to more people, and I can't wait to talk to more witnesses 543 00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.199 and see some of the new stuff in this new documentary that doctor Lincoln Tai 544 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:35.639 has. Right, she's done a fantastic job, and we'll take it even 545 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:38.960 further with the embracing contact. The Phoenix Rising Conference is saying they're here, 546 00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:43.119 they're walking among us. Yeah, now how do we embrace them and work 547 00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.119 together? All right? Thank you, Virginia, thank you. Now, 548 00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:52.360 next week on the show, we have Antonio Juneos and he is the one 549 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:57.480 of the writers for the magazine for Open Minds. He's a great researcher. 550 00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:01.360 He's been writing about UFOs for over thirty years. His articles have appeared in 551 00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:08.960 dozens of publications around the world. He also co authored the Lawrence Rockefeller funded 552 00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:14.480 UFO briefing document The Best Evidence. And what we're going to be talking about 553 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:17.840 is our brand new magazine that's going to be hitting news stands on the twenty 554 00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:22.639 third. It's an awesome magazine and we'll talk about some of that. We're 555 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:25.920 also going to Mexico. So next week you will not be able to see 556 00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:30.079 the cool live streaming video because we're going to be a Mexico, but we 557 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:36.599 will still be live on the air here and we'll be talking to Antonio who's 558 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.559 going to be speaking in Mexico about his talk out there. He's going to 559 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:45.559 be talking about the Vatican and their involvement with extraterrestrials and they've actually gotten a 560 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:51.039 lot going on lately in that arena. And we'll also talk about some Aztec 561 00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:54.199 omens. He's written a story that's going to be in our second magazine about 562 00:41:54.320 --> 00:42:00.800 Aztec omens and how similar a lot of these things that happened before the Spaniards 563 00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:05.760 came. You know, these pictures and everything are to UFO siting. So 564 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:08.400 that's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm excited to have Antonio on. 565 00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:15.199 Also, you're gonna be able to watch this conference in Mexico live streaming on 566 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:20.519 our website Openminds dot tv. So there is a lot of cool stuff going 567 00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:22.599 on. And in fact, Barbara Lamb and some of the other people that 568 00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:27.599 were mentioned on the show today, we were able to catch up with them 569 00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:31.559 in Laughlin Nevada last week, and we're gonna have those interviews up on the 570 00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:36.760 website as well, so we've always got new and cool stuff. Go there 571 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:42.559 and read more about Jason's interview or jason siding of the Phoenix fights and some 572 00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.920 of the other cool information. So openminds dot tv is where you can find 573 00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:50.440 that. Thanks for listening to Open Minds Radio. Or we are bringing the 574 00:42:50.559 --> 00:43:00.880 UFO subject into the light of day. I want to play cos you want 575 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:02.719 your feet, the clocks and plus